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IN PARTNERSHIP WITH AN ORAL HISTORY OF BRITISH FASHION Betty Jackson Interviewed by Eva Simmons C1046/10 IMPORTANT Please refer to the Oral History curators at the British Library prior to any publication or broadcast from this document. Oral History The British Library 96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB United Kingdom +44 [0]20 7412 7404 [email protected] Every effort is made to ensure the accuracy of this transcript, however no transcript is an exact translation of the spoken word, and this document is intended to be a guide to the original recording, not replace it. Should you find any errors please inform the Oral History curators. NATIONAL LIFE STORY COLLECTION INTERVIEW SUMMARY SHEET Title Page Ref. No.: C1046/10/01-26 Playback No: F15711, F16089-92, F16724- 8, F16989-96, F17511-8 Collection title: Oral History of British Fashion Interviewee’s surname: Jackson Title: Ms Interviewee’s forenames: Betty Sex: F Occupation: Fashion Designer Date of birth: 1949 Mother’s occupation: Housewife Father’s occupation: Shoe Manufacturer Date(s) of recording: 14.07.04, 29.09.04, 20.10.04, 25.11.04, 02.12.04, 14.01.05, 25.02.05, 08.04.05, 22.04.05, 06.05.05, 03.06.05, 27.06.05 Location of interview: Betty Jackson’s office, Shepherds Bush, London Name of interviewer: Eva Simmons Type of recorder: Marantz CP430 Total no. of tapes: 26 Type of tape: D60 Mono or stereo: Stereo Speed: N/A Noise reduction: Dolby B Original or copy: Original Additional material: Copyright/Clearance: open Interviewer’s comments: Betty Jackson Page 1 C1046/10 Tape 1 Side A (part 1) Tape 1 Side A [part 1] This is Eva Simmons interviewing Betty Jackson. It’s Wednesday the fourteenth of July 2004 and we’re starting tape one. And let me ask you first of all Betty, if I may call you that, to go right back and tell me how far back in your family d’you remember, in other words did you know any great grandparents or grandparents and you know, what d’you remember about them? I knew both, well half of one set of grandparents and both of the other grandparents. I didn’t know anybody further back than that. My paternal grandfather had already died, but ah, my paternal grandmother was alive and quite a strong… really… we lived very close to her and she was quite an influence on our family generally. My mother came from Yorkshire and had sort of, was regarded very much as a bit of a foreigner I think, in sort of, she’d travelled from abroad as far as people in Lancashire were concerned. And we used to go and visit my mother’s parents and I just remember that being much easier. I remember them being much softer and gentler and you know, living in a lovely house with a garden and you know, it just generally being less pressure, but I don’t know why that was [laughs] really. But my father’s mother was quite a demanding lady. I mean I think most people had quite a tough life then. I mean there were reasons why she was like that. My grandfather, they had been quite well off and they owned one of the stone quarries, the slate quarries in the area, in sort of industrial north of England. And my grandfather was blinded by one of the explosions that was set off; he went to see, there was an explosion that didn’t set off and he went to see and it went off and blinded him. So I think that when that happened, there wasn’t really a welfare state and all of that stuff so it took all of the family resources to get him back on track, so you know, the family business that had been in the family for generations was immediately got rid of and blahdy blah, and I think my grandmother then had to think about making a living for her husband and her only child, which was my father. So they had a small corner store, which meant that she controlled the local community I think really. But they also managed to build half the church and have a pew, you know and all of that sort of stuff, so she was quite a sort of strong, rather divisive force I think, in the family, I think my mother always found her quite difficult and, anyway. I do remember her influence when we were little. Betty Jackson Page 2 C1046/10 Tape 1 Side A (part 1) When would this accident have taken place, d’you know? Before I was born. My sister remembers my grandfather and then he died, but I absolutely don’t know the dates. And both my parents have also died, so you know, it’s one of those things that is sort of lost now, but I remember the stories really. And so my father, who was up to that time going to follow his father of course into the stone business, was suddenly told to change direction and there was the war; he went to be a captain in the Lancashire Fusiliers and all of that and went to Egypt and fought in the war and came back and opened, you know, became a businessman really, which was actually what people did really. And he opened, he had a shoe company which sold, which made, manufactured components for shoes. In the area that we came from, it was largely to do with Lancashire cotton and of course when the cotton industry slumped, all of the mills were converted into shoe factories, you know it was a huge industry grew up around those existing buildings and the workforce of course, as well. And so my father did that, along with a lot of his colleagues, you know. There was a sort of band of them, I remember you know. A very small town where everybody knew each other and everybody helped each other out I think then. So, that’s what he did. Tell me more about your grandmother, as much as you remember. Where was she living first of all? In the same town. And I remember we used to, Sundays were sort of a ritual, you know, church in the morning, Sunday lunch, conversation and then she’d go. But you know, there was a sort of, I remember also we had, she had to be sort of looked after, before she died, but it’s quite different. I also remember going to stay with her, myself and my sister, which was huge fun, you know. I mean she used to tell us stories about cats and witches, you know, and it was a sort of, there was a magic there as well, but I think it was probably later on I became aware of the stress and the pressure she put on my parents and I rather resented that I think. But anyway, it was just a fact, I think a lot of people go through that. But I remember having fantastically magical weekends with my sister, you know. And sleeping in the same bed as my sister when I went there, because I was frightened. You know, I’m the little sister, my sister is older, and it being incredibly comfortable and being allowed to you know, have toast in bed and things like this. Things that we were not Betty Jackson Page 3 C1046/10 Tape 1 Side A (part 1) allowed to do at home, and so there was a sort of, there was a loveliness about it as well, but I just remember that later on it got quite difficult, quite tricky. So that’s what I remember about that. And when you went to stay with her, d’you know whether that was her suggestion or did you and your sister ask to go there, did your parents – you know, what were the sort of…? I’ve no idea, I mean I think most people lived an extended family life, you know, that grandparents were included in the general run of the family, you know. My parents were very social, sociable, social people and I remember there were lots of parties and they went out to dinner dances and they went out to drinks and you know, they were quite sociable folk. So maybe it was a babysitting thing, I don’t know. [laughs] Would you just go for a night at a time, or longer? Sometimes longer, sometimes, but usually you know, couple at most. And over what sort of…? But also, don’t you remember, I mean if, for example, you know, travelling was much more difficult. We lived in a village that was only about seventeen miles from Manchester, but to get to Manchester was a whole day’s journey in those… you know, it sounds mediaeval doesn’t it, but actually to travel anywhere was a nightmare, even though you know, my parents had a big car. But you know, it was trickier then, you know, you didn’t go on a journey so readily or easily as one does now, so maybe it was that also. So how did you get to her – in the car? Yeah, uh huh. Your parents would take you? Yeah. Betty Jackson Page 4 C1046/10 Tape 1 Side A (part 1) And how far was it? Couple of miles. And how did she live, what sort of a place did she live in? My grandmother? Mm.