2678 CONGRESSION~ RECORD-SENATE. APRD.J 4,

Also, petition of ..Aaron Royston, of .Marshall County, Mississippi, for ..Also, petition of James W. Snyder, Jefferson County, West Virginia, reference of his claim to the Court of Claims-to the Committee on for reference of his claim to the Court of Claims-to the Committee on War Claims. . War Claims. By Mr. MORRILL: Petition of M. H. Roller and 60 others, of Cir­ cleville, ·Kans., asking that the tax on flaxseed and linseed-oil be re­ The following petitions for an increase of compensation of fourth­ tained-to the Committee on Ways and Means. class postmasters were severally referred to tho Committee on the Post­ By Mr. MORROW: Petition of citizens of San Francisco, Cal., against Office and Post-Roads: the repeal of the tariff on chrome iron-to the Committee on Wa.ys and By :Mr. BANKHEAD: Of J. L.Wrightandothers, of Webster County, Me.o1.ns. Alabama. By Mr. MORSE: Petition of 23 citizens of Boston, 1\Iass., for better By Mr. OATES: Of Thomas D. McGough and 27 others, citizens of mail facilit.ies between Boston and New York, etc.-to the Committee Glennville, Ala. on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. By Mr. NEAL: Petition of J. A. Turley ru1d 14 others, citizens of The following petitions, indorsing the per diem rated service-pension McMinn County, Tennessee, for a special-act pension to Robert Pearce, bill, based on the principle of paying all soldiers, sailors, and marines late a private in Company ..A, Tenth Regiment Tennessee Cavalry- of the late war a monthly pension of 1 cent a day for each day they to the Oommittee on Invalid Pensions. were in the service, were severally referred to the Committee on In- By Mr. OSBORNE: Resolutions of the St. Louis Uerchants' Ex- valid Pensions: · . change, in favor of the incorporation of the Nicaragua Canal dompany- By 1\Ir. S. T. HOPKINS: Of 72 soldiers of Walton, and of 17 soldiers to the Committee on Railways and Canals. of Cairo, Greene Connty, New York. By lli. OWEN: Petition asking a pension for ..Alice Newbury, widow By Mr. KENNEDY: Of A.sa. W. 1\'Iitchell and 121 others, members of of James Newbury-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Clay Hay Post, No. 383, Grand'..Army oftheRepublic, of New Carlisle, By 1\Ir. PEEL: Petition of William Fain, and of Mrs. M. E. Lacey, Ohio. of Washington County, ..Arkansas, for reference of their claims to the By Mr. LAIRD: Of numerous ex-soldiers of Edgar, of Nelson, of Court of Claims-to the Committee on War Claims. Nuckolls Co~nty, of Minden, of Hardy, and other places in Nebraska, ..Also, papers in the claim of WilliamS. Pyeatt, ofWashington County, and of Rock, Minn. Arkansas-to the Committee on War Claims. By Mr. McCOR])fiCK: Of 89 citizens of McKean County, and of M. . By :Mr. RANDALL: Resolutions of Philadelphia Typographical V. Purple and 30 others, ex-soldiers of the Sixteenth district of Penn­ Union No. 2, indorsed by the Pressmen's ~Union No.4, ofPhiladelp · , sylvania. for an international copyright law-to the Committee on Patents. Also, of ..Anthony Bennett and 18 others, ex-soldiers of Tioga County, By lli. ROGERS: Petition of Sarah Uarr, of Pulaski County, - Pennsylvania. kansas, for reference of her claim to the Courtof Claims-to the Com- By Mr. McCULLOGH: Of John Lauffer and others, and of J.D. mittee on War Claims. McQuinn and others, ex-Union soldiers and sailors of Westmoreland Also, protest of river men against the construction of a bridge at County, Pennsylvania. Little Rock, .A.rk.-to the Committee on Commerce. ..Also, of W. N. Fullerton and others, ex-soldiers and sailors of West- By Ur. SIMMONS: A bill to provide for the survey of the Tar River moreland County, Pennsylvania. from Tarborough to the railroad bridge at Rocky Mount, N. C.-to the By Mr. NUTTING: Of Samuel Nichols and 67 others, of Judson N. Committee on Rivers and Harbors. · Hoyt, of James McDorcht and 61 others, and of W. J. Emens and 24 By ~lr. STAHLNECKER: Petition of the New York State Agricnl- others, citizens of Oswego and Cayuga Counties, New York. tural Society against the Palmer Senate bill, and favoring the passage By 1\Ir. OSBORNE: Of S. F. Wells and 17 others, citizensofSusque- of a bill to place the same under cba.rgo of the Commissioner of Agri- hanna County, Pennsylvania. culture-to the Committee on ..Agriculture. By :Mr. PATTON: Of 60 ex-soldiers of M.iffi..in County, Pennsylvania. Also, resolutions oftheCommon CouncilofNcwYorkinfavorofthe By Mr. SEYMOUR: Of C. M. Dunbar and 29 others, ex-soldiers, of bill to erect a monument to the prison-ship martyrs-to the Committee Michigan. on the Library. Also, memorial of mayor, aldermen, and:commonalty of New York, The following petitions, praying for the enactment of a law provid­ for refunding of money raised hy the city for military purposes- to the ing temporary aid for common schools, to be disbursed on the basis of Committee on War Claims. , illiteracy, were severally referred to the Committee on Education: Also, concurrent resolution of the Legisla.ture of New York, relative By Mr. FRENCH (by request): Of 119 citizens of Middlesex Co1mty, to compensation of letter-carriers and postal-clerks-to the Committee Connecticut. on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. By Mr. J. S. HENDERSON: Of women b~longing to the Interna­ .Also, concurrent resolution of the same, relative to the erection of a tional Council. monument to the prison-ship martyrs-to the Committee on the Li- By Mr. MORROW: Of 67 citizens of San Francisco County, Cali­ brary. · fornia. By Mr. STEPHENSON: 1\femoriaJ. of tho National Farmers' ..Al­ By M:r. RYAN: Of117 citizens of Butler County, Kansas. liance, to establish a Department of Agriculture-to the Committee on By Mr. STEPHENSON: Of 112 citizens of Langlade County, Wis­ Agriculture. consin . ..Also, resolutions of theTurnvereinof Milwaukee, Wis., relating to I the laws affecting emigration-to the Committee on Foreign Affairs. The following petitions, asking for the passage of the bill prohibiting Also, petition of22 citizens of Merrill, Lincoln County, Wisconsin, the manufacture, sale, and importation 9f all alcoholic beverages in the relative to the issue of fractional cun-ency-to tho Committee on Bank­ District of Columbia, were severally referred to the Select Committee ing and Currency. on the Alcoholic Liquor Traffic: Also, petition of 23 citizens of Men-ill, Lincoln County, Wisconsin, By Mr. GROSVENOR: Of Rev. W. H. Day and 50 others, of the Fif­ relative to the reduction of postage on seeds, etc.-to the Committee teenth district of Ohio. on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. By Mr. McKINLEY: Of 50 citizens of the Eighteenth district of Also, petition of 82 iron-qre miners and bborers of the Germania Ohio. Mining Company, and of 217 iron-ore miners and laborers of the Ash­ By Mr. STEPHENSON: Of 95 citizens of the Ninth district of Wis­ land Iron :Mining Company, of Hurley, Wis., protesting against there­ consin. duction of cluty on iron ore-to the Committee on Ways and Means. By Mr. STOCKDALE: Of 76 citizelis of the Sixth district of Mis- Also, letter of the railroad commissioners of Wisconsin, relating to sissippi. · the loss of life and limb in coupling and uncoupling cars in the inter­ By Mr. J. R. WHITING: Of 53 citizens of the Seventh district of state commerce-to the Committee on Commerce. Michigan. By Mr. J. W. STEWART: Petition and papers in case of GeorgeS. Hawley, for increase of pension-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. By Mr. STONE, of Missouri: Petition of Isaac:Bethurum, to accom­ SENATE. pany bill for his relief-to the Committee on Military Affairs. By Mr. VOORHEES: Memorial of William Gooch, for the passage WE;DNESDAY, April 4, 1888. of a bill for his relief-to the Committee on Claims. By :Mr. WHEELER: Petition of estate of Richard L. Kirby, jr., Prayer by the Chapbin, Rev. J. G. BUTLER, D. D. estate of W. W. Mitchell, William Beckham, Abner D. Lamsden, The Journal of yesterday's proceedings was read and approved. Sarah E. Trousdale, Cain Leach, W . ..A. Rash and others, heirs of Laxon • PETITIO~S AND MEMORIALS. Rash; A. 0. Williamson, and Mary A. De Gra:ffenreid, of Alabama, for reference of their claims to the Court of Claims-to the Committee on The PRESIDENT pro tempore presented a communication of J. M. War Claims. Bradford, of rortland, Me., relating to the administration of the civil­ By Mr. W. L. WILSON: PetitionofLivanPondGrangeofWestVir­ service law in Portland; which was referred to the Select Committee ginia, for amendment of po tal laws, to reduce postage on Reeds, bulbs, to Examine into the Condition of the Civil Service. ' etc., to one-half cent per ounce-to the Committee on the Post-Office He also presented a petition of the Woman's Christian Temperance and Post-Roads. Union of Meriden, Conn., and a pe~tion ~f the Woman's Christia.n 1888. CONGRE.SSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. 2679

Temperance Union of Baltimore, Md., praying for the repeal of the bath by the running of Sunday trains, etc.; whichwere referred to the internal-revenue tax on alcoholic beverages; which were referred to Committee on Education and Labor. the Committee on Finance. ANSON RUDD. Mr. PALMER presented a petition of Dwight May Post, No. 69, 1\Ir. TELLER. The Committee on Public Lands have had under Grand Army of the Republic, Department of Michigan; a petition of consideration the bill (H. R. 6879) to authorize the Secretary of the C. U. Dunbar and 29 other surviving soldiers of the Union Army, Treasury to convey to A.nson Rudd, of the State of Colorado, certain resiqents of Calumet, Mich., and vicinity, and a petition of F. W. Bra4- real estate in t.be county of Fremont, in said State, and have directed ley, E. Goodwin, and 24 other surviving soldiers of the Union Army, me to report it to the Senate favorably without amendment. citizens of Kalkaska County, Michigan, praying for the passage of the I wish to state that the bill has passed the Senate in this form at least per diem rated service-pension bill; which were referred to the Com­ three times, and it has passed the Senate r..t-this session. It proposes mittee on Pensions. to restore to a citizen of Colorado some land deeded to the Government He also presented the petition of :l!Irs. Eudocia. S. Moffat, U.rs. E. B. which the Government declined to ru;e. If there is no obj ection, I ask Coolidge, Mrs. Morse Stewart, Urs. Albert Miller, 11Irs. T. T. Leete, to have the bill put on its passage now. and Miss Sara Palmer, officers of tbe Michigan Indian Association, By unanimous consent the Senate, as in Committee of the Whole, pro­ praying for the establishment of a home and industrial training school ceeded to consider the bill. It directs the Secretary of the Treasury, for Indian children in Michigan; which was referred to the Committee without consideration, to make, execute, and deliver all needful instru­ on Indian Affairs. ments conveying and transferring all the right, title, and interests of He also presented a petition of the Hillsdale (Mich.) Pomona Grange, the United States in and to a certain tract of land situate in the county No. 10, Patrons of Husbandry, praying for an amendment of the pat­ of Fremont and State of Colorado to Anson Rudel, of Colorado; the ent laws so as to protect innocent persons in the use of patented articles; tract of land above described being the same tract which Auson Rudd which was referred to the Committee on Patents. and Harriet Rudd, his wife, conveyed to the United States 1-y general Mr. CAMERON presented' the petition of William P. I. Painter & warranty deed, without consideration, dated March 20, 1868. Son, and other citizens of Muncy, Pa., and the petition of Ba,llier & The bill was reported to the Senate without amendment, ordered to Co., and other1citizens of Lykens, Pa., praying for the repeal of that a third reading, read the third time, and passed. portion oft~ internal-revenue law which classes druggists as liquor dealers, and also for a reduction of t.he tax on spirits; wmch were re­ REPORTS OF CO:VIl\IITTEES. ferred to the Committee on Finance. Mr. HOAR, from the Committee on Claims, to whom we~e referred He also presented a petition of Encampment No. 1, Union Veteran the bill (S. 848) for the relief of the Union National Bank of Louisiana Legion, of Pittsburgh, Pa., praying for the passage of the per diem rated and the bill (S. 1670) for the relief of the Union National Bank of service-pension bill; which was referred to the Committee on Pensions. Louisiana, asked to be discharged from their further consideration, He also presented a petition of officers of Grange No. 831, Patrons of and that they be referred to ~e Committee on the Judiciary; which Husbandry, of Wyoming County, Pennsylvania.; a petition of citizens was agreed to. of Upper Providence, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania.; a petition of He also, from the same committee, to whom was referred the bill citizens of Steuben, Crawford County, Pennsylvania.; a petition of citi­ (S. 399) for the relief of Henry Herman, asked to be discharged from zens of Centralia., Columbia County, Pennsylvania; a petition of citizens its further consideration, and that it be referred to the Committee on ofHarrison, Bedford County, Pennsylvania; a petition of citizens of Finance; which was agreed to. Fairmount, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania; and a petition of citizens I\Ir. FAULKNER, from th'e Committee on Claims, to whom was of Cross Creek, Washington County, Pennsylvania, praying that the referred the bill (S. 1533) for the relief of R{)bert C. .1\furphy, reported work of the eradication of pleuro-pneumonia may be continued under it without amendment, and submitted a report thereon. the Bureau of Animal Industry, and that it may remain in the Depart­ Mr. WALTHALL, from the Committee on Public Lands, to whom ment of Agriculture, with a chief who shall be a competent veterinary was referred the bill (S. 2511) to withdraw the public lands of the surgeon; which were ordered to lie on the table. United States in Mississippi from sale at ordinary private entry, and to Mr. STEWART presented the memorial of F. M. Smith, giving a restrict disposals thereof under general statutes to homestead settlers, history of the borax industry and remonstrating against the removal reported it with amendments. of the tariff on borax; which was referred to the Committee on Finance. Mr. COCKRELL. I desire to state as to the report made by the He also presented a petition of citizens of Montana praying for legis­ Senator from Mississippi [:Mr. W ALTH..A.LL] from the Committee on lation to preserve the mineral lands of that Territory to citizens of the Public Lands on Senate bill2511, introduced by himself: in regard to United States, and to prevent the Northern Pacific Railroad Company public lands in Mississippi, and which was amended by direction of the from acquiring any lands to which it is not clearly entitled under its committee, that I do not concur in that report. I think that it does grant; which was referred to the Committee on Public Landa. great injru;tice to the people of :l!Iissouri, and I shall oppose the amend­ :Mr. PLUMB. I present a petition of settlers in the DesUoines ments proposed by the committee. Valley, Iowa, praying for a redress of grievances. The bill to which Mr. WALTHALL. It is understood that the Senator from Missouri the petitioners refer having been reported by the appropriate commit­ is opposed to the amendments, but it is the report of a majority of the tee, I move that the petition lie on the table. committee. The motion was agreed to. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The bill will be placed on the Cal­ Mr. PLUMB presented a petition of citizens of Montana, praying for endar. the adoption of such legislation as will preserve the mineral lands of Mr. PLU!lrn, from the Committee on Public Lands, to whom were that Territory bearing precious metals to the citizens of the United referred the bill (H. R. 6394) for the relief of Hayem ·and Taylor1 and States and prevent the Northern Pacific Railroa~ Company from ac­ the bill (H; R. 2996) to confirm the title of the heirs or legal repre­ quiring any lands to which it lis not clearly entitled under its grant; sentatives of Henry Volcker, deceased, to a certain tract of land in the which was referred to the Committee on Public Lands. Territory of New Mexico, asked to be discharged from their further He also presented a memorial of the New York State Agricultural consideration, and that they be referred to the Committee on Private Society, remonstrating against the pa.sSage of what is known as the Land Claims; which was agreed to. Palmer bill, to establish a Bureau of Animal Industry, etc.; which was Mr. SAWYER, from the Committee on Pensions, to whom was re­ ordered to lie on the table. ferred the bill (H. .R. 7856) granting a pension to Emma R. Johnson, He also presented a petition of a large number of citizens of Kansas, reported it without amendment., and submitted a report thereon. _ praying for the passage of what is known asthe Dawes bill, in relation He also, from the same committee, to whom was referred the bill to the adulteration of lard, etc.; which was referred to the Committee (H. R. 818) granting a pension to Sarah E. Pribble, reported it with­ on Agriculture and Forestry. · out amendment, and submitted a report thereon. Ur. iiARRIS presented a petition of officers of the Marine-Hospital Mr. BOWEN, from the Committee on Post-Offices and Post-Roads, Service, praying that the officers of that service be commissioned as to whom was referred the bill {S. 686) for the relief of B. F. Rocke­ are the medical officers of the Army and Navy; which was referred to fellow, reported it without amendment, and submitted a report -the Committee on Military A.ffairs. thereon. Mr. SABIN presented a petition of the Duluth (Minn.) Tnrnverein :Mr. COLQUITT, from the Committee on Post-Offices and Post-Roads, Society, remonstrating against the restriction of immigration under to whom was referred the bill (H. R. 4557) for the relief of George F. certain circumstances; which was referred to the Committee on Edu­ Chilton, reported it without amendment. cation and Labor. Ur. MITCHELL, from the Committee on Claims, to whom was re­ He also presented a petition of Typographical Union No. 42, of Minne­ ferred the bill (H. R. 7319) for the relief of Emory R. Seward, reported apQlis, Minn., praying for a restoration of the rates paid at the Gov­ it with an amendment, and submitted a report thereon. ernment Printing Office prior to March 3, 1877; which was referred to Mr. 11UTCHELL. I am instructed by the Committee on Claims, to the Committee on Printing. whom was referred the bill {S. 1706) for the relief of Charles Gallagher, Mr. BLAIR presented two petitions of citizens of Pennsylvania, pray­ of New York, to report it adversely. On behalf of some friends of the ing for prohibition in the District of Columbia; which were referred to claJ..mant I ask that the bill be placed on the Calendar with the ad verse the Committee on the District of Columbia. report. He also presented twopetitionsofcitizensoftbe United States, pray­ The PRESIDENT p1·o ternpore. The bill will be placed on the Cal- • ing for the passage of legislation ;prohibiting the violation of the Sab- endar with., the adverse report of the committee. 2680 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. .A.PRIL 4,

Mr. ALLISON. I am directed by the Committee on Appropriations, Green Bay, Wis.; which was read twice by its title, and referred to to whom was referred the joint resolution (H. Res. 140) appropriating the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. $25,000 for the international exhibition in Barcelona, Spain, to ask to Mr. PALMER (by request) introduced a bill (S. 2598) for the relief be discharged from its further consideration, and that it be referred to of Rev. Smith P. Gannage; which was read twice by its title, andre­ the Committee on Foreign Relations: That committee, I understand, ferred to the Committee on Military Affairs. has been considering the subject. He also (by request) introduced a bill (S. 2599) to test and try the The report was agreed to. science of spelling, and to provide for establishing one hundred schools Ur. BLAIR, from theCommitteeon Pensions, to whom was referred for this purpose; which was read twice by its title, and referred to the the bill (S. 2100) granting a pension to Charles Tidmarsh, reported it Committee on Educa.tion and Labor. without amendment, and submitted a report thereon. Mr. COCKRELL introduced a bill (S. 2600) to repeal an act entitled l't!r. BLACKBURN, from the Committee on Naval .Affairs, to whom "An act to establish the boundary line of Dona Afia County," in the was referred the bill (S. 1914) for the relief of :Mary E. Hopkins, re­ Territory of New Mexico; which was re..'td twice by its title, and re­ ported it without amendment, and submitted a report thereon. ferred to the Committee on Territories. R EPRINTING OF BILLS. Il'tiPORTATION OF LEAD. l't!r. HAWLEY. The dependent pension bill having passed the Mr. STEWART submitted the following resolution; which was con­ Senate has not been reprinted in the other branch. The superintend­ sidered by unanimous consent and agreed to: ent of the document-room infcrms me that there is a continual demand Resolved, That the Secretary of the Tt·easury is hereby directed to report to for it and recommends that it be reprinted. The Committee on Print­ the Senate what precautions have been taken to prevent tho importation of lead ing presents an order to print 500 additional copies for the use of the and lead ores fi•om Mexico and the Dominion of Canada into the United States in violation of the revenue laws, and what legislation, if any, is necessary to en­ Senate. able him to enforce the revenue Jaws against smugglers of lead and lead ores - The order was agreed to, as follows: from both Mexico and the Dominion of Canada. 01·dercd, That there be printed for the use of the Senate 500 copies of Senate billl81, granting pensions to ex-soldiers and sailors who are incapacitated for ORDER OF BUSINESS. the performance of mnnuallabor, and providing for pensions to dependent rel­ atives of deceased soldiers and sailors. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair lays before the Senate n. resolution coming over from former day, which will be read. Mr. HAWLEY. I report a like order with regard to what is known a The Chief Clerk read the resolution submitted yesterday by :Mr. as the Blair bill, the common-school bill. The supply is exhausted and lhe bill has not been printed elsewhere. SHERMAN, a." follows: The order was agreed to, as follows: Resolved, That, subject to the business of the morning hour, the order of busi ness in the Senate shall be- Ordered, That there he printed 500 copies of Senate bill371 to aid in the estab­ First. S. 2083, a bill to provide for the establishment of a bureau of animal lishment and temporary support of common schools. industry, and to facilitate the exportation of live-stock and their products, t.:> extirpate contagious pleuro-pneumonia and other diseases among domestic an­ MRS. HETTIE K. PAINTER. imals, and for other purposes. Second. S. 185, a bill to provide for the admission of the State of Dakota. into Mr. PADDOCK. Yesterday I asked the Senate to consider the bill the Union, and for the organization of the Territory of Lincoln. (H. R. 3839) granting a pension to Mrs. Hettie K. Painter, which was Third. S. 1216, a bill providing for the investment of certain sums in the reported by direction of the Committee on Pensions by myself with an T~:easury. amendment, with a view of having the amendment considered, and if Mr. SHERMAN. Circumstances have occurred since the resolution possible adopted, to the end that a conference committee might be se­ was offered which practically defeat it for the present, and therefore I cured. I call the attention of the Senator from l'llissouri [Mr. CocK­ have nothing further to say about it except to let it go on the Calendar. RELL] to the bi11. As the understanding I had has not been kept, I have no desire to press Mr. COCKRELL. I am listening to the Senator. it now. - Mr. PLUMB. Has the morning business been concluded? The PRESIDENT pro te-mpore. The resolution will be placed on the The PRESIDENT pro te-mpore. It has not yet been concluded • . Calendar. Mr. PADDOCK. It will take but a moment to pass the bill. PUBLIC BUILDING .AT. BUFF.A.LO. Mr. PLUMB. I think we had better conclude the formal morning Mr. JONES, of Arkansas. I move that the Senate proceed to the business before taking up anything else. consideration of the bill (S. 325) granting to the Billings, Clark's Fork The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Senator from Kansas calls for and Cooke City Railroad Company the right of way through the Crow the regular order. Indian reservation. Mr. PLUUB. I wish to introduce some bills. Mr. VEST. Mr. President- BILLS INTRODUCED. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Does the Senator from Missouri rise l\fr. PLUMB introduced a bill (S. 2586) for the relief of Thomas J. to morning business? Whitman; which was read twice by its title, and referred to the Com­ Mr. VEST. No, sir; 1 rose to enter a. motion to reconsider a bill mittee on Claims. passed on Saturday last. He also introduced a bill (S. 2587) granting an increase of pension to Mr. SHERMAN. I understand that the Freedman's Bank bill comes Gottlieb Spitzer; which was read twice by its title, and referred to the over, not exactly as unfinished business, but it was taken up and put Committee on Pensions. aside by the motion to close the doors yesterday. He.also introduced a bill (S. 2588) for the relief of Michael O'Brien; The PRESIDENT pro tempore. There is no unfinished business of which was read twice by its title, and referred to the Committee on the morning hour. Naval .Affairs. Mr. JONES, of Arkansas. The consideration of this matter will take He also introduced a bill (S. 2589) for the relief of David Reynolds; but a short time. I gave notice a few days ago that I should ask the which was read twice by its title, an~ referred to the Committee on Senate to consider the bill, and I should be glad to have the Senate take Pensions. it up this morning. He also introduced a bill (S. 2590) ~ranting a pension to George L. The PRESIDENT pro temp01·e. The Chair will receive the motion Sanders; which was read twice by its title, and referred to the Com­ of the Senator from :1\Iissouri to recoru;ider a bill. mittee on Pensions. Mr. VEST. Saturday, duringmyabsence on committee business of Mr. DAWES introduced a bill (S. 2591) for the relief of Cyrenius the Senate, a bill was passed for the construction of a public building at Beers or his personal representative, and also the personal representa­ Buffalo, N. Y. I intended to call the attention of some brother Sena­ tive ofVail& Robison; which was read twice byits title and referred tors to the fact that that bill might be reached upon the Calendar. I to the Committee on Claims. see from the RECORD that it was passed during my absence. I am in He also introduced a bill (S. 2592) to extend time of payment to pur­ the possession of facts in connection with that bill which in my judg­ chasers ofland on Omaha Indian reservation, State of Nebraska, and ment necessitate its being sent back to the Committee on Public Build­ for other purposes; which was read twice by its title, and referred to ings and Grounds, of which I am a member. These facts came to me the Committee on Indian Affairs. after the passage of the bill, and I enter a motion to reconsider the vote Mr. PADDOCK introduced a bill (S. 2593) granting a pension to Mrs. by which the bill was passed. Sarah MeNamara; which was read twice by its titie, and referred' to the Mr. HARRIS. Also ask that the bill be returned from the other Committee on Pensions. Honse. Mr. CAMERON introduced a bill (S. 2594) granting a pension to Mr. VEST. It is a House bill. Louisa Staley; which was read twice by its title, and, with the accom­ The "PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair is informed that the bill panying papers, referred to the Committee on Pensions. to which the Senator from Missouri rose has been signed by the pre­ He also introduced a bill (S. 2595) to increase the pension of Seth F. siding officers of the two Houses, and sent to the President of tho Myers; wLich was read twice by its title, and referred to the Committee United States. on Pensions. _ Ur. VEST. Then I would move that the President be requested to H e also introduced a bill (S. 2596) to increase the pension of John return it to the Senate. My object is to have the bill recommitted to A. Doyle; which 'iras read twice by its title, and, with the accompany- the Committee on Public Buildings and Grounds. • iog paper3, referred to the Committee on Pensions. M:r. HISCOCK. That motion I suppose is subject to objection. If Mr. SAWYER introduced a bill (S. 2597) for a public buildin~ at so, I object. · 1888. CON-GRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. 2681

1r1r. HOAR. I understand that the Senator from Missouri is in Mr. DAVIS. I simply desire to object to the present consideration order and is within the time in entering his motion to reconsider: of the~ill if it will involve debate. Mr. VEST. Unquestionably, within three days. The PRESIDENT pro tempm·e. The motion is not open to debate. 1\Ir. HOAR. But it will be necessarv to add to that motion the in­ The question is on agreeing to the motion of the Senator from Arkan­ troduction of a concurrent resolution ~requesting the President tore­ sas [Mr. JONES]. turn the.bill to the House in which it originated. I suppose the Sen­ The question being put, there were, on a division-ayes 25, noes 14. ate could do that with the concurrence of the other House, and that Mr. VOORHEES. Let the title of the bill be read again, and the;P the voting down of such a resolution would be a disposition of the I shall ask for the yeas and nays, so that we may know what the Sen­ motion to reconsider. I do not see any difficulty in proposing to the at~ is entering upon. other House this request to the President of the United States by a The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The title of the bill will be again concurrent resolution. read. Mr: VOORHEES. If the President were notified of a motion to re­ The CHIEF CLERK. A bill (S. 325) granting to the Billings, Clark's consider the hill pending in the Senate he would withhold his signa­ Fork and Cooke City Railroad Company the right of way through the hue unless it was already affixed, and then a concurrent resolution Crow Indian reservation. could ue passed by the two branches to bring the bill back. I know The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Upon the question of proceeding to not exactly how it should be done, but I would suggest that the the consideration of this bill, the Senator from Indiana asks that the President be notified of a motion now pending in the Senate to recon­ yeas and nays may be entered on the Journal. Are they desired by sider the bill. one-fifth of the Senators present? 1\Ir. HISCOCK. I object to the consideration of such a motion. The yeas and nays were ordered; and having been taken, the result _ The PRESIDENT pro tempm·e. The Senator from Missouri bas a was announced-yeas 34, nays 17, as follows: right to make the motion. YEAS-3-l. Mr. VEST. I should think, without being any parliamentarian, that Bate, Farwell, McPherson, Sawyer, I had the right. Beck, Faulkner, Mitchell, Stanford, Mr. HISCOCK. Within what time must such a motion be made? Berry, George, Paddock, Stewart, The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Within two legislative days. Brown, Hampton, Payne, Teller, Call, Harris, Platt, Turpie, Mr. VEST. The bill was passed on Satu.rday. If I have not that Cockrell, Hiscock, Pugh, Walthall, right I have none. Coke, Ingalls, Ransom, Wilson ofMd. Colquilt, , Jones of Arkansas, Reagan, Mr. HISCOCK. Was the bill passed on Saturday or on Friday? Dawes, Jones of Nevada., Riddleberger, Mr. VEST. It was passed on Saturday. Mr. HARRIS. The Senate was not in session on Friday. NAYS--17. Mr. VEST. I was absent from the cityon Saturday on the commit­ Allison, Edmunds, Plumb, Voorhees, - Butler, Hawley, Sabin, Wilson of Iowa. tee which went to New York by direction of the Senate, or I should Cameron, Hearst, Sherman, • have objected to the passage of the bill. It was a neglect on my part. Cullom, Hoar, Spooner, At what time was the bill passed? Davis, Palmer, Vest, The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The record will be referred to by the ABSENT-25. clerks. [A pause.] An inspection of the Journal shows that the bill Aldrich, Daniel, Gray, Quay, passed the Senate on Saturday, the 31st of March. This being the 4th Blackburn, Dolph, Hale, Saulsbury, Blair, Eustis, Kenna, Stockbridge, day of April, more than two legislative days have intervened, and the Blodgett, Evarts, Manderson, Vance. Chair would hold that the motion could not be entertained. Bowen, · Frye, Morgan, Mr. VEST. I suppose that is true. Chace, Gibson, Morrill, Chandler, Gorman, Pasco, MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE. So the motion was agreed to; and the Senate, as in Committee of the A message from the Honse of Representatives, by Mr. CLARK, its Whole, proceeded to consider the bill. Clerk, announced that the House had passed the followin~ bill<~; in 1rlr. JONES, of Arkansas. I deem it necessary to say a word in re­ which it requested the concurrence of the Senate: lation to this bill. It is in the usual form of rights of way granted to A bill (H. R. 542) for the relief of Maj. Michael P. Small; railroad companies to build railroads across Indian reservations. A bill (H. R. 1262) granting the right of way t() the Denver and Rio There is opposition to the passage of this bill, I understand, on the Grande Railroad through the Fort Crawford military reservation; part of another railroad company, and, as I understand, there is op­ A bill (H. R. 1560) to extend the provisions of "An act to provide position from no other quarter except a rival railroad company. The for the muster and pay of certain officers and enlisted men of the vol­ facts about this rival company, the Rocky Fork Company, and this com­ unteer forces," and for other purposes; pany, the Billings, Clark's Fork and Cooke City Company, are these: A bill {H. R. 2972) authorizing the President to appoint and retire In June, 1886, a bill was introduced giving the right· of way to this General Pleasanton with the rank and grade of colonel; railroad company. In January follomng a bill was introduced in the A bill (H. R. 4365) to authorize the construction of an a.rsenal for Senate of the United States giving the other railroad company, the one the repair, storage, and distribution of ordnance and ordnance stores opposed to this, a right of way across the same reservation and on prac­ for the use of the Government of the United States, at Columbia, Tenn.; tically parallel lines. Both these bills·were reported from the Senate A bill (H. R. 5064) to construct a road to the national cemetery at Committee on Indian Affairs to the Senate and both passed this body :Bat()n Rouge, La.; at the last session of Congress; both went to the Honse ofRepresenta· A bill (H. R. 6098) authorizing the construction and repair of the tives; both were reported favorably by the Committee on Indian Af­ roads from the entrance to the reservation of the Presidio at San Fran­ fairs of the Honse of Representatives, and both were on the Calendar cisco, Cal., to the national cemetery on the same, and the fencing and of the House. On the last night of the last session of Congress the bill protection of the said reservation and the cemetery thereon; and providing for the rival railroad, the one opposed to this, the Rocky A bill (H. R. 8809) to provide for the promotion of officers of the Fork Railroad Company, passed the House of Representatives; and the Army after twenty years' continuous service in one grade. bill giving the right of way to this company, which had been reported The message also announced that the House had passed the follow­ before the other bill in the Honse, which had passed t.his body, before ing bills and joint resolution: and which had been introduced into this body months before that, died A bill (S. 258) for the relief of Maj. Daniel N. :Bash, paymaster, on the Calendar and was not passed. United States Army; Now, after the Government of the United States has granted to the A bill (S. 1371) for the relief of Alfred Hedberg; Rocky Fork Co~pany the right to build their road, they come in at A bill (S. 1387) authorizing the appointment of James S. Jouett to this session and.object to the Government granting to the Billings Com· a .first lieutenancy of cavalry in the United States Army; and pany exactly the same privileges they had at the hands of Congress last Joint resolution (S. R. 5) in relation to the claim of John B. Read year, and can give no reason for it, as I understand, except that they against the United States for the alleged use of pr~jectiles for rifled say that they probably can not get the financial aid neces..."Ury to build ordnance, claimed as the invention of said Read, and by him alleged their road if this Billings road is allowed to go through the reservation. to have been used pursuant to a contraet or arrangement made between I know nothing whatever of these companies further than that both • him and the War Department in 1856, for which no compensation has came here and represented that they were able to build their railroad been made. . lines, and one succeeded in getting a bill granting the right of way passed at_the last session of Congress and has done some work on the BILLINGS, CLARK'S FORK AND COOKE CITY RAILROAn. line. This one failed to get through although it had been introduced Mr. JONES, of Arkansas. I renew my motion. some months before the Rocky Fork Company began their effort, and The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Senator from Arkansas moves now these people come and object to the very same privilege being ex· that the Senate proceed to the consideration of the bill (S. 325) grant­ tended to the Billings Company that was extended at the last Congress ing to the Billings, Clark's Fork and Cooke City Railroad Company to their own company. It seems to me that it does not look well for the right of way through the Crow Indian reservation. them to occupy this position. 1.1r. DAVIS. 1r1r. President-- The purpose of both these roa~, I understand, is:to reach certain coal, The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The motio!l is not Ol;)en to debate. beds for the supply of coal to Montana and Wyoming and all that great 2682 CONGRESSIONAL REOORD-SENATE. APRIL 4 ' country in the Yellowstone Valley. I believe ..one railroad reaching that portion, and is met by the menace of this bill, which parallels and the e coal-beds is a. good thing, but I believe that two railroadsjVould threatens it for 86 miles out of 120 of im entire course, and has been be more than twice as good, and public policy requires that while the discredited in financial circles by the menace of this bill. Ro.cky Fork road reaches the coal-beds we should allow the Billings Now, who believes that in good faith this second railroad company is Company to do the same thing, so that there may be some competition going to build a railroad of 120 miles south into that wilderness in fo1 the benefit of those who are in need of fuel in the cold winters of competition with one which has already built, so far as grading n.nd that rigorous climate. ' bridging a,re concerned, one-third of its entire line? Was it ever heru·d, These are the simple points at issue on this question, and I can not where a right of way had been granted to a railroad through a reserva­ believe that the Congress of the United States, having given the right tion and confessedly for the_uses of the public, that when the company to the Rocky Fork Comp::my to build tJleir road to the coal-beds, will that had obtained such a. grant had gone on in good faith and expended deny the same right to another company, which was organized months · its money, had bridged and graded a. large portion of the line, another before the Rocky Fork Company; which came here sixoreightmonths road would be authorized paralleling it within a quarter of a mile for before they came; which passed their bill thr6ugh this body before the 24 miles, and for the rest of the distance enough to make the parallel­ other passed their bill at the last session, and had their bill reported by ism 86 miles out of 120? the Committee on Indian Affairs of the House last year before they passed What would be said if this was a la.rge transaction, the case of a con­ theirs. Under these circumstances I am sure the Senate will say that tinental road going from the Mississippi to the ocean? Would it he this company, which was prior in organization and in application, shall tolerated for a moment thS~-t under the guise of a right of way through not now be denied the right to build its line through this Indian terri­ the public lands or Indian reservations one railroad would be allowed tory. The company have located under the general laws their route to parallel another within a space so narrow as that, and especially over the pnbliclandoutsideofthe Crow country. Out of the entire line when the road which had obtained the privilege had gone on aud in­ there are about 40 miles going through the Crow reservation. The road vested money, when men had put their means into it on the faith of goes through a part of the country that can occasion the Indians no in­ Congressional action after a competitive struggle between these two convenience. The public interest, and the interests of all the people companies, one of which had failed and now reappears here in the halls concerned in the development of the coal-fields, and everybody else, ex­ of legislation? . cept those who would make a monopoly of the Rocky Fork grant of the The Rocky Forks company wa.<> required by the terms of the act of right of way, aTe in favor of the passage of the bill as·it is. I hope it lastwinter to obtain the consent- of the Indians, which it did, and will ben~d. to make compensation to the Indians. That it did. It is required to :Ur. GEORGE. Does the bill grant anything but a. right of way? build the road in two years; and now, within twelve months after they Ur. JONES, of Arkansas. Nothingwhatever except the nakedright have obtained their right and by proceeding have assumed that obliga­ of way through thic;; Indian territory. tion, this company, which entered into the competition with them one Mr. GEORGE. Was there a rivalry at the last session of Congress year ago and which for some reason or other did not get from Congress between these companies, either opposing the other? the similar right to that which it now claims, appeal'S here with a bill l\fr. JONES, of Arkansas. Not a syllable from either one that came which proposes substantially to parallel this route from -initial point to to my knowledge, and I reported both bills from theCommitteeonln­ terminal point. It is nothing but a menace at the financial standing dian Aff

Mr. CULLO~L I desire ro announc~ the pair of the Senaror from George H. Cole, private Company B, Twenty-fourth Regiment Wis­ New Hampshire [1\Ir. CHANDLER] with the Senator from North Caro­ consin Volunteers; lina [1\Ir. VANCE]. A bill (S. 854) granting a pension -to Sarah E. Branson; The result was announced-yeas 29, nays 15; as follows: A bill (S.1784) granting a pension to Ida :M:. Welton; YEAS-29. A bill (S.1785) granting a pension to Stephen D. Redfield; Bate, ColqUitt, Ingalls, Reagan, A bill (H. R. 76) for the relief of L. A. Morris; Beck, Dawes, Jones of Arkansas, Sawyer, A bill (H. R. 85) granting a pension to 1\Irs. :Mary Jane Case; Berry, Dolph, Jones of Nevada, Stewart, Blair, Faulkner, McPherson, Teller, A bill (H. R. 115) to increase the pension of Thomas F. Townsend; Brown, George, 1\Iitchell, Walthall. A bill (H. R. 369) granting a pension to 111rs. Esther B. Hayford; Oall, Gorman, l.\Iorgan, A bill (H. R. 439) for the relief of Grovenor A. Curtice; Cockrell, Hearst, Payne, Coke, Hoar, Pugh, A bill (H. R. 443) granting an increase of pension to Albert G. Fifield; NAYS-15. A bill (H. R. 445) granting a pension to Laura A. Wright; Allison, Edmunds, Sabin, Vest, A bill (H. R. 481) for the relief of Stephen M. Honeycutt; Butler, Hampton, Sherman, Voorhees, A bill {H. R. ·628) granting a pension to Juliette Stone; Cameron, Hawley, Spooner, Wilson of Iowa. B. Davis, Palmer, Stanford, A bill (H. R. 771) granting a pension to A. Van Cleve; :A.BSENT-32. A bill (H. R. 806) for the relief of :M:ru·y Morford; Aldrich, Eustis, Hiscock, Quay, A bill (H. R. 863) granting a pension to Malinda Vest; Blackburn, Evarts, Kenna, Ransom, A bill (H. R. 2056) for the relief of Joel J. Goss; Blodgett, Farwell, Manderson, Riddleberger, A bill (H. R. 2093) for the relief of John K. LeBaron; Bowen, Frye, Morrill, Saulsbury, Chace, Gibson, Paddock, Stockbridge, A bill (H. R. 2112) for the relief of Capt. John Burkhart; Chandler, Gray, Pasco, Turpie, A bill (H. R. 2218) to increase pension of James A. Buck; Cullom, Hale, Platt, Vance, A bill (H. R. 2514) granting a pension to J. Miller Raub; Daniel, Harris, Plumb, Wilson of 1\Id. A bill (H. R. 2517) granting a pension to Isaiah T. Johnson; So the bill was passed. A bill (H. R. 2595) for the relief of the widow of John A. S. Tutt, :Mr. DAWES. Before the bill passes away from the Senate I desire deceased; to move a reconsideration of the vote by which the bill was passed. A bill (H. R. 2617) granting a pension to !!fary Bailey; The location of this road is so far outside of the Yellowstone Park A bill (H. R. 3441) declaratory of the .meaning of the act entitled that it was not deemed necessary to say a word about it, but I find in "An act for the relief of Maria Syphax;" the other bill passed last ye.:'lr this phrase: A bill (H. R. 3713) for the relief of Joseph Casson; That no part of said line shall touch any portion of the National Park. A bill (H. R. 3758) for the relief of the legal heirs of Fidus Liver- I ask unanimous consent that that phrase may be put in the fourth more, deceased; section of this bill, at the end of the fourth section, precisely where it A billlH. R. 3850) granting a. pension to Moses F. Jackson; is in the other, so that it will be impossible for them to change their A bill H. R. 3898) granting increase of pension to James H. Reeve; line. A bill H. R. 4626) for the relief of Mary B. Kirby; The PRESIDENT pro tempote. The proposed amendment will be A bill H. R. 4835) for the relief of Everard Flynn; stated. A bill (H. R. 5499) granting an increase of pension to Frederick Au- The SECRETARY. At the end of section 4 it is proposed to add the gustin; . • following proviso: A bill (H. R. 5766) granting a pension to Miss Capitola V. Harsh, And provided jurtJter, Thn.t no part of said line shall touch any portion of the daughter of Daniel Harsh; National Park. A bill (H. R. 5~4) for the relief of the heirs of the late Frances I. 1\fr. DAWES. The reason it was not put in is that the location filed Wheeler; · with the committee went around the park entirely, bnt I should like to A. bill (H. R. 6071) for the relief of Mary Penfield; have that certain. A bill (H. R. 6562) for the reliefofW. W. Screws; Mr. EDMUNDS. To journalize it correctly, there had better be a A bill (H. R. 6789) granting a pension ro MaryS. Wells; motion to reconsider. A bill (H. R. 7237) granting a pension to Clarissa Harvey; and The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Journal will be so arranged that A joint resolution (H. Res. 68) in favor of J. Q. Barton. it shall state that the bill was amended and then read the third time · THE FREEDMAN'S SAVINGS AND TRUST COMPANY. and passed, the amendment being now made by unanimous consent. Mr. SHERMAN. I now move that the Senate proceeQ. to the con­ The Chair hears n~ objection, and it is so ordered. sideration of Senate bill1138, which was before the Senate yesterday. HOUSE BILLS REFERRED. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Calendar under Rule VIII bemg The following bills, received from the House ofRepresentatives, were in order, the Senator from Ohio moves that the Senate proceed to the sevcmJly read twice by their titles, and referred to the Committee on consideration of a bill. Military Affairs: ~ Mr. WILSON, of Iowa. Before action is taken on that I desire to A bill (H. R. 542) for the relief of Ma-j. Michael P. Small; give notice that to-morrow, after the conclusion of the morning busi­ A bill (H. R. 1262) granting the right of way to the Denver and Rio ness, I will ask the Senate to take up the motion submitted by the Sen­ Grande Railroad through the Fo:!t Crawford military reservation; ator from Ohio (.Mr. SHER~IAN] to refer the message of the President A bill (H. R. 1560) to extend the provisions of'' .An act to provide to the Committee on Finance, for the purpose of submitting some re­ for the muster and pay of certain officers and enlisted men of the vol­ marks. unteer forces," and for other purposes; Mr. P A.~!ER. Will that displace the special order? A bill (H. R. 2972) authorizing the President to appoint and retire Mr. WILSON, of Iowa. That is not my purpose. General Pleasonton with the rank and grade of colonel; ~fr. COCKRELL. I understand the Senator from Iowa was giving A bill (H. R. 4365) to anthorize the construction of an arsanal for the some notice of what he intended to do to-morrow. I should like to repair, storage, and distribution of ordnance and ordnance stores for the hear what that was. I could not hear him. use of the Government of the United States, at Columbia, Tenn.; The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Senator from Iowa gave notice A bill (H. R. 5064) to construct a road to the national cemetery at that he proposM to-morrow to snbmit some observations on the reso­ Baton Rouge, La. ; lution submitted by the Senator from Ohio, to refer the message of the A bill (H. R. 6098) authorizing the construction and repair of the President of the United States to the Committee on Finance. The roads from the entrance to the reservation of the Presidio at San Fran­ question recurs on the motion of the Senator from Ohio. cisco, Cal., to the national cemetery on the same, and the fencing and Mr. RIDDLEBERGER. I notice in the RECORD this morning that protection of the said reservation and the cemetery thereon; and there was no objection offered yesterday to taking np this bill, and it A bill (H. R 8809) to provide for the promotion of officers of the could not have been taken up with an objection. I distinctly did ob­ Army after twenty years' continuous service in one grade. ject to taking up the bill, and I ask at this time the Senate to consider that I know several Senat.ors around me concurred in making the ob­ ENROLLED BILLS SIGNED. jection. I made the objection, and therefore it can not come up as a A message from the House of Representatives, ·by Mr. CLARK, its bill unobjected to. Clerk, announced that the Speaker of the House had signed the follow­ The PRESIDENT p1·o tempore. The question is on the motion of ing enrolled bills and joint resolution; and they were thereupon signed the Senator from Ohio to proceed to the consideration of the bill (S. by the President pro tempore: 1138) to reimburse the depositors of the Freedman'& Savings and Trust A bill (S. 404) for the relief of Margaret S. Uurray; Company for losses incurred by the failure of said company. A bill (S. 549) granting a pension to Hannah R. Langdon; Mr. RIDDLEBERGER. Before the vote is taken-- A bill (S. 550) granting a pension to William C. Wait; The PRESIDE1~T 111·o tempore. The Senator from Virginia will ob­ A bill (S. 574) to increase the pension of Mrs. Apolline A. Blair· serve that this motion must be decided without debate. " A bill (S. 733) granhln~ a. pension to Abbie S. Hutchinson~ ' Mr. RIDDLEBERGER. On on~ objection, with a request that the A bill (S. 803) granting a pension to Delia U. Peck; RECORD be corrected to that extent. A bill (S. 809) granting a. pension to Betsey Uannsfield; The PRESIDENT pro tempo1·e. The que.~tion is on the motion of A bill (S. 815) granting a pension to Angerone P. Cole, mother of the Senator from Ohio. 2684 CONGKESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. APRIL 4,

The motion was agreed to; and the Semi.te, as in Committee of the to the parents and children, and• if there :are no parents or children liv- Whole, resumed the consideration of the bill (S. 1138) to reimburse the ing let it remain in the Treasury. depositors of the Freedman's Savings and Trust Company for losses in­ Ur. BUTLER. Can the Senator from Ohio inform the Senate how curred by the failure of said company, the pending question being on this money has been paid out by the Commissioner up to ·this time ? the amendment of Mr. Ev.ARTS, in line 10, before the word '' represent­ I suppose some rule has been adopted in this matter. atives," to strike out "legal" and insert "personaL" Mr. SHERMAN. Here is the whole distribution of this money in 1\Ir. SHERMAN. That is an amendmentJmggested by the Senator a table which, if the Senator desires, may be transposed from the from New York. He thinks it is an improvement of the bill. I do RECORD of a year ago, which gives the amount of each dividend, the not see the difference. I am perfectly willing to agree to it if it is total payments, and the payments made at the different branches, of thought to i,mprove the bill, but I would rather have any language which there were 25, I believe. The whole amount that has been that may be suggested by any Senator that will confine the benefi­ paid from the assets of the company is $1,721,751.22, which, if I re­ ciaries of this bill absolutely to the depositors, so that no assignment member correctly, was 63 per cent., leaving 37 per cent. yet to be pro­ shall be effective, because, as a matter of course, there is no equity in vided for, which is covered by this bill. favor of the assignee, t.his being a bounty of the Government. If the Mr. BUTLER. I take it for granted that money has been paid out language is not strong enough in the bill, I should like very well to from time to time by the Commissioner, under some rule which he bas have an amendment that would make it stronger. I think either adopted, to the legal representatives or to the personal representatives term " personal representatives" or " legal representatives " would of deceased depositors. So I can not see that there will be any great be sufficient. difficulty in managing the fund under the bill as it now stands. Mr. VEST. I concur with the Senator from Ohio that there ought Mr. SHERMAN. It is paid out to legal representatives. to be no payment to any assignee. Mr. BECK. The Comptroller ofthe Currency can pay out the money Mr. VOORHEES. The bill has not yet been read. Let us hear it. under this bill without any difficulty. He drew the bill, and can dis­ The PRESIDENT pro tempore. It was read at length when previously tribute the fund, with perfect equity. I went there myself and saw under consideration. It will be again reported. how it had been done. There can be no difficulty about it if we take Mr. VOORHEES. Iwantitread now, sothatas we aretovote on it the bill as reported. we may know what it is. Mr. BUTLER. So I supposed, and therefore I suggest that thelan­ The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The bill will be read at length. guage of the bill be permitted to remain as it came from the commit­ The Secretary read the bill. tee, and the commissioner of the Freedman's Bank I think will guard it Mr. UOCKRELL. I would suggest that instead of ''legal representa­ in every possible way that he can, as he has heretofore. _There has tives'' the words '' widows. and children '' be inserted; so that these been 63 per cent. of the money paid out, and I take it that he can pay funds will onl,y be payable to the claimant if living and if dead to his the remainder. widow and children, and go no further. Mr. DAWES. I am quite confident an administrator could compel MT. SHERMAN. I am perfectly willing to agree to that amendment. it to be paid to him if the language of the law was simply "legal rep­ This bill being reported from the Finance Committee and prepared by resentatives." It would be so in my State. An administrator is a the Comptroller of the Currency and recommended by the Secretary of legal representative in my State. the Treasury, I do not feel disposed to accept any amendment, but I Mr. HARRIS. The Senator from Massachusetts will allow me to shall not object to the one proposed. suggest to him that I think it absolutely clear that if the bill requires Mr. VOORHEES. Let me call the attention of the Senator from the money to be paid to a legal representative or a personal represent­ Ohio to one point. A depositor in the Freedman's Bank might have ative, the commissioner would be bound, where there is an adminis­ had a mother, now ari aged woman, dependent upon him and upon trator or an executor, to pay it to such fiduciary character, and he getting back this money that was stolen away; or be might have had would be bound to treat it as assets in his hands, subject to the pay­ helpless brothers or sisters. I think the bill ought to be passed as it ment of debts. I do not think there is any question about that. was reported. Plenty of these people who left no widow or children The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. DoLPH in the chair). The ques­ might have left others who had just as high a claim as a descendant tion is on the amendment offered by the Senator from Missouri. would have. The bill has been carefully considered, as the Senator Mr. GEORGE. I should like to have this money paid out to the from Ohio knows better than I, by the Finance Committee, and I persons who are properly entitled to it; that is, to the depositors or to doubt if it can be improved. It was drawn by the Comptroller of the their heirs or to their executors or administrators. I fear-and I had Currency and recommended by the President of the United States, and that fear when the bill was up at the last session-that, under the terms has had ample consideration. of the bill, claim agents will find out the names of depositors, many of Mr. DAWES. Does the bill exclude assignees ? whom are ignorant persons, una-ccustomed to business, and will go Mr. VOORHEES. Yes; leaving the law in each State to determine around, visit them, and get powers of attorney with large contingent where the money goes. fees, and in that way evade the provision of the statute which prevents Mr. DAWES. If it excludes assignees it is right. the payment of this money to assignees. 1\Ir. VOORHEES. It does. I would be glad before the Government makes this reparation to that Mr. SHERMAN. The bill contains this provision: class of people, very much unaccustomed to business, that some pro­ But no part of the money hereby appropriated shall be paid to any assignee vision should be put in the bill requiring the Government, at its own of any such depositors, and the benefit and relief provided by this act shall ex­ expense, to go around and pay this money into the identical hands tend only to those depositors in whose favor such balances have been properly which are entitled to receive it. I think there is the great defect of verified, and to their heirs and legal representatives. this bill. I think that under the cover of agency a large portion of Now, if the Senate wish to further qualify it by limiting it to only this fund will never rea-ch the persons who we intend shall have it. the parents or children of deceased depositors, I do not know but that Mr. COCKRELL. The suggestion of the Senator from Mississippi it would be better. is very pertinent. There will be hundreds of these depositors, as there 1\Ir. VOORHEES. The bill is better as it is, in my judgment. have been heretofore, who will not present claims for the dividends. Mr. SHERMAN. Very well. Some gentleman through intelligence and cunning will suggest to some Mr. BUTLER. Will the Senator from Ohio inform the Senate what probate court in some State or other the death of this claimant; the percentage of the deposits has been returned to the depositors of the probate judge will order letters of administration to be granted to him, Freedman's Bank? and he will present those letters here to the Depa1·tment and draw the 1!fr. SHERMAN. Sixty-three per cent., according to the report of money, and the Comptroller or any one else can not prevent his getting the Comptroller. it. He can not go behind the letters of administration, and he becomes Mr. BUTLER. Leaving 37 per cent. to be paid out under this bill. the legal representative; and no heir, no futber, or mother, or grand­ Mr. SHERUAN. Yes, sir. child, and no other relative of the deceased will ever get the benefit of Mr. DA. WES. The term "legal representatives" would include an a solitary cent of this money. administrator, who would get that money into his hands, and it would I have no doubt that many of tl!e depositors' bank-books have been be assets to pay debts. bought up. This bounty of the Government-for it is a bounty pure Mr. SHERMAN. It is proposed to insert ''personal representatives;" and simple and unadulterated-unless it is confined to the actual suf­ but who are they? ferers, had better be called a bounty to claim agents and sharks. They .Mr. DAWES. I only make the ~uggestion that I should be afraid will get powers of attorney and they will present them here as repre­ that simply the words "legal representatives" would include an ad­ senting the claimants themselves, and you cannot refuse or decline to ministrator, who would distribute the money to pay debts. If the recognize them, and they will get the lion's share of the money before Sen a tor is certain it would not, very well. it ever goes into the hands of the parties themselves. Mr. HER UN. I can not say about t}Jat. I do not care which This bill should be restricted so that the money should be paid to term is ndopted, but it is difficult to draw the line. Is a father a per­ the parties themselves in person if living, and if dead then to a SIJeci­ BOII a l represent.'ltive? fied class. The bounties of the Government ought not to go to an ad­ :Mr. DAWE . Suppose you limit it to heirs at law. ministrator or to a legal representative of that kind. They should go Ur. SHER ~1AN. That would hardly do, because it is prettydiffi­ either to the widow or children, or to the father, mother, brothers, and cu 1t for tll c grea.t body of these people to know who are the heirs at law. sisters. They should be definite, and if such persons are not in exist­ This llas heen n subject of controversy. I think it ought to be confined ence the tax-payers of this country ought not to be called upon to takQ 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. 2685

money out of their pockets and pay it to a mere cold administrator to reach them all, but as a matter of course it is the business of the Treas­ divide between him and a claim agent; and therefore I insist upon an ury Department to see that this money gets into the hands of the bene­ amendment that will restrict the payment to the parties themselves, or ficiaries, and you must leave a little lat.itude of regulation to the Gov­ the widow,· the children, the father, mother, brothers, or sisters if liv­ ernment officers. I am willing to trust them, and it seems to me that ing, and that under no ·circumstances shall any payment be made to gentlemen on the other side ought to be willing to trust them to get Jegal representative or to any attorney in law or in fact. That is the this money to the persons to whom it belongs without any further regu: amendlll.ent I propose. lations in the bill. 1\ir. SHERMAN. How would the words "widow or next of kin" Mr. HAWLEY. I do not quite agree with the Senator from Mis­ answer? souri, who says that this is a matter of benevolence and generosity. Mr. COCKRELL. I have no objection to that. I think there is a degree of moral obligation on the Government. The l'lir. DAWES. That is only one individual. poor people who deposited in this bank looked upon it as in reality the Mr. SHERM:.AN. I think the more we examine it the more difficult Government itself, and they are not to be wondered at for that. It we shall find it. did seem to them as virtually the Government, and I think that the 1\Ir. COCKRELL. There is an absolute necessity for an amendment. nation is largely responsible for the mismanagement of that bank. I move to strike out "to their legal representatives" and insert, "to As to the ,amendments proposed, I agree entirely with the two or the widow and children, and if no widow or children, then "-!would three Senators who have objected to them. Let us stand by the bill confine it to parents or brothers and sisters. · as it comes from the Treasury Department and cqmes from the Finance 1\Ir. GEORGE. Will the Senator hear an amendment which I pro­ Committee; and as the fund has been hitherto administered it has been pose to offer at the proper time, a proviso to come in at the end of the done without complaint, probably without serious injustice. We are bill? told that payments were made to persons not entitled to them. That P1·otFided, That no payment shall be made under this act except to the parties is likely to happen in any case where there are a multitude of small entit-led to il, and no agent or attorney shall, in any case, receive any part of payments to be made to citizens. We are passing bills here every ses­ such payment. sion whereby a catalogue of scores and hundreds ofpeople are entitled Mr. COCKRELL. That will not cover the whole point. to sums of money from $1 upwards, and it is not to be supposed that Mr. GEORGE. No, I know it will not. in every case every one of these payments is legitimately and properly Ur. COCKRELL. A draft will be issued and it will be handed over made. There wiJl be mistakes, but the Treasury·Department and the .­ to agents, and then they will get the money and hold it under the power commissioner I am satisfied have administered this trust as faithfully of attorney. I move to strike out the words "legal repre.:entatives" as_possible, and probably quite as near to exact equity and justice as and insert: we shall get aflier a score of amendments. The widow and children, if any, and if not, then to the father, mother, broth­ Mr. COCKRELL. Mr. President, the statement of the Senator will ers, and sisters. not apply to this class of claims. They were paid as long as there was I would stop there. any money to pay them. That fund was exhausted and they have the The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Chair understands there is al­ evidences of their deposits. Theyare in small amounts. If the truth ready one amendment pending to the bill. Does the Senator from Mis­ were known, probably one-fourth or more is in the hands of assignees to-day. These parties supposed they had got all they ever would get. souri who now has the floor propose to amend the pending amend- 1 ment? ~ They have been told that, by the proper authorities, ' this is the 1\Ir. COCKRELL. Is there an amendment of my colleague [Mr. last dividend you will get," and they have been willing to sell their • VEST]? claims for a song and transfer them, and it is that class of people who 1\Ir. VEST. I offered no amendment to the bill. The Senator from will be benefited by the bill and ought not to be benefited by it. New York did. Therefore I insist on confining it to the parties themselves, if living, :Mr. COCKRELL. I think I offered an amendment myself. and if not living then to their widows and children, and if there be no Mr. VEST. When the bill was pending before for consideration I sug­ widows or children, then to the father, mother, brother, and sister. gested an amendment, and the Senator from New York [Mr. EvARTS] That is just a.<:~ far as we ought to go. moved that the word ''legal '' be stricken out and the word ''personal'' 1\fr. SHERMAN. Let the amendment be read. inserted before "representatives." The PRESIDING OFFICER. The amendment 'will be stated. The PRESIDING OFFICER. When the present occupant of the chair l\ir. COCKRELL. One moment. I will change the language of the took the chair he was informed that there was p.n amendment pending am~ndment i.n a moment. offered by the Senator from Missouri. The Secretary has since informed Mr. VEST. Here is an amendment I have drawn: me-- No payment shall be made under the provisions of this net to any person With out the commissioner being first satisfied that the person claiming is the orig: Mr. VEST. I would suggest to my colleague that I intended to offer inal party entitled t.o the same under the provisions of this act, or the widow and this amendment: children, ift.herebe any, and if not, the father and mother, and if not, the broth No payment shall be made under the provisions of this act to any person with­ ers and sisters, if any, and none others. - · out the commissioner being first satisfied that the person claiming is the orig­ 1\Ir. SHERMAN. Well, let that go in. inal party entitled to the same under the provisions of this act, or the widow or heir of such party. l\Ir. BUTLER. If the Senator from l\1issouri will yield to me for a moment I think I can suggest an amendment. That would leave the question of who were the heirs to the laws of Mr. TELLER. We can not hear a word that is said in that part of the respective S'tates or the District of Columbia. the Chamber. , . Mr. COCKRELL. Then I modifY my amendment to strike out "le­ 1\fr. BUTLER. I can scarcely hear myself. gal representatives " and say-- The PRESIDING OFFICER. Conversation must cease in the Sen­ The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Chair would call attention to the ate Chamber. fad that the pending amendment must first be disposed of. Mr. SHERMAN. That can be voted down. Mr. BUTLER. I was going to propose an amendment which has been suggested to me by the Senator from Wisconsin [Mr. SPOONER] After The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is the Senate ready for the question the word ''prescribe,'' in the seventh line, inserl.: · -on the pending amendment? . And which: shall be so ~~ as to secure the payment hereunder directly The amendment was rejected. as far as possible, to the pa1·t1es Interested. • l\Ir. COCKRELL. Now I offer the amendment, in line 10, to strike So as to read: out ''legal representatives" and insert: · _That the co~ioner of the Freedman's Savings and Trust Company, and Or to the widows and heirs of the said depositors. . his successo:rs m offi~, be, and the same are.hereby, authorized and directed to Mr. DAWES. I suggest to the Senator a different phraseology. pay, or cause..to be pa1d, under such regulatiOns as said commissioner with the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury, shall prescribe, and which shan be so The PRESIDING .OFFICER. The amendment of the Senator from fr~ed .as to secure the payment hereunder directly, as far as possible to the Missouri will be read. part1es 1nterested. · • The CHIEF CLERK. In line 10, after the word "their," it iS pro­ There is great force in what has been said bv the Senator from Mis­ posed to strike out '' legal representatives'' and ineert ' 1 the widows or souri [Mr. CocKRELL] in regard toclaimagentsandsharks .and soon heirs.'' With that class of people I h~ve no sympathy. But, as was suggested Mr. BUTLER. I suggest to my friend this difficulty in regard to by the Senator from Connectwut [Mr. H.A. WLEY] tltere is more or less that amendment: Suppose the woman was not married; she could not abuse in all matters of this kind, and it is imposs'ible to frame any law then be a widow. which can anticipate and prevent every detail of that kind. All that Mr. DAWES. What does "widow or heirs" mean? Does not that the legislative department can do is to guard a fund like this as care­ leave it optional? fully as possible, and leave to the executive department-the enforce­ Mr. SHER1.f.AN. The first few lines of the bill contain the whole ment of the law. I have heard no complaint so far as to the manner in measure of its application, leaving it to the Secretary of the Treasury which this fund has been administered by the respective commissioners to prescribe regulations and the Comptroller to say how it shall be done. of the Freedman's Bank, and I am quite sure that the· present com­ ~s. for requiring the paymen~ to be made to the individual depositors, missioner, who I understand has framed this bill will be especially 1t Is utterly out of the questiOn. There are many of these depositors vigilant and careful in scrutinizing the authorit~ of everybody who whom the officers of the Government can never reach. They can not comes to represent any of these poor people. It seems to me that the 2686 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. APRIL 4,

bill as it c.ame from the' committee was quite sufficient; but in order they had not been plundered, it should go now. I think it ought to "to make assurance double sure," and to put the commissioner upon be provided for in this law. notice that these claims may be represented by people who ought not I have no fear of claim agents. I do not see them. They do not to represent them, I suggest the language which I shall presently read. haunt me. I know the present Comptroller of tho Currency bas a large I have heard no complaint about the manner in which these deposits discretion in regard to this matter; but I am willing to trust him. As have been paid out from time to time, and I do not apprehend there the Senator from South Carolina well said, there are strictures offered will be any great difficulty now. If we attempt to restrict it, as has to this bill that would make it impos ible for some far-away, ignorant been suggested by the Senator from 1\fissouri, to the widows and chil­ negro man or negro woman to get his or her money. She would have dren, the brothers and sisters and fathers and mothers, and nobody else, to come here in person or go without it. A friend of hers could not it might put many of these people to very great inconvenience. go and get it and send it to her. There is needless alarm upon these Mr. COCKRELL. How? small questions. I believe the bill is right as it came from the Com· Mr. BUTLER. The Senator from Missouri asks how. There are mittee on Finance. I thought so in the committee; I think so now. I many of them who, I dare say, would not get more than a dollar; per­ think it covers everyoneofthese questions. "Legal representatives" haps the deposits vary from $1 up to $25, or 530, or $40, or $50. Sup­ or "heirs at law" are practically those to whom it should go, and that pose one of my constituents should send to me, saying, ''I am en.titled of course will be governed by the statutes of the place where the per­ to a dollar or two dollars''-- son lives. Mr. SHERMAN. The average amount will be about $25 to each The amendment offerecl by the Senator from New York makes it depositor. • more plain; that is all the difference; and I am perfectly willing to vote Ur. BUTLER. About $25. I should be precluded under this act, for that amendment, but as to \Oting for an amendment that prescribes as proposed to be amended by the Senator from Missouri, from going to what kindred it shall go to and stops short of where the law stops, I the commissioner and saying, '' Here, give me a check for this amotm t, will not vote for such an amendment. The man might have grand­ and let me send it to this poor woman or this poor man.'' The poor children to whom this money should descend as certainly as to any­ beneficiaries would not be able to employ attorneys. • body else, and the amendment offered by the Senator from Missouri I take it the commissioner will scrutinize carefully every person who would draw a line on their kinship. It is not correct, and I hope it represents these people, and will as far as possible protect them against will be \oted down. While I do not see the absolute necessity, yet I fraud and imposition. So I do not apprehend so much trouble as am perfectly willing to vote for the amendment offered by the Senator seems to be in the minds of some Senators. from New York, because it makes plain what the meaning is. Mr. COCKRELL. Now I modify my amendment, to strike out the The Senator from Kentucky [Ur. BECK] calls my attention to the words "legal representatives" and insert: fact, which I remembered not so clearly as I do now, as I have not read To the widow and children, if any; if not, then to the father and mother, if the bill since it was reported, that this language is used in the bill: living; and if not, then to the brothers and sisters. That the commissioner of tho Freedman's Savings and Trust Company, and his successors in office- The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Missouri modifies Tllat is, the Comptroller of tho Currency- his amendment. be, and the same ru·e hereby, authorized a.nd directed to pay, or cause to be 1 Mr. COCKRELL. I modify the amendment in that way. paid, under such regulations us saicl commissioner, with.the approval of the The PRESIDING OFFICER. The amendment as modified will be Secretary of the 'l'reasury, hall prescribe. stated. Mr. REAGAN. Add "and none others." There is frightful danger of ~rong, and of giving it to the claim agents Mr. HISCOCK. I suggest to the Senator from Missouri whether he under that in the estimation of some, but none according to my un­ would not like this amendment: Strike out the words, "their legal derstanding. They ba.ve a discretion to prescribe regulations such as honest men intending to correct a great wrong would doubtless pre­ representatives '' and insert in the place thereof: scribe. To the widow and next of kin respectively of the depositors, according to the It is perfed1y safe to support this bill as it came from the Finance statutes of the State or Territ-ory or District of Columbia, in which the deposit­ ors reside. Committee. At the same time, to meet the criticisms that may arise in some minds, I would be willing to take the amendment offered by Of course, in personal property it is next of kin to whom it would the Senator from New York [Mr. HrscocKl, but not the amendment pass. This is personal property. offered by the Senator from Missouri [Mr. COCKRELL]. Ur. COCKRELL. I think my amendment will be more specific and The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from New York did not definite. state whether be offered his amendment u.s an amendment to the Mr. IDSCOCK. Is there not a question under the Senator's provision amendment or as a substitute. whether the grandchildren would not be excluded? M:r. HISCOCK. I offered it as a substitute. ·Mr. COCKRELL. I think they would be excluded. By the pay­ Ur. RIDDLEBERGER. I am going to request of the Senate that ment of this sum we are making a reimbursement to the parties who these amendments be all printed in such a way as that we can under­ were misled and not to remote beneficiaries. stand them. There are a few Senators who have offered amendments to Mr. HISCOCK. And why give it to the brothers and sisters of the this bill who do not seem to understand that there were no marital re­ depositor as against the immediate descendants? lations in the slave States of the South among the negroes, and that J'JI.r. COCKRELL. Senators have thought it ought to be extended widows and orph..'UlS are defrauded by this bill more than they were that far, and I think that is far enough to go in that line. by the Freedman's Bank itself. TB.ere is no widowhood as of the day Mr. HISCOCK. If the money is the property of the deceased, it cer­ when the bank fell-- tainly should go to his immediate representatives-! mean the next of The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Virginia will sus~ kin. This amendment which I propose I will read again: ' pend for a moment while the Chair lays before the Senate the unfin­ To be distributed to the widow and next of kin respectively of said depos­ ished business, the hour of2 o'clock having arrived, being the bill (H. itors, according to the statutes of distribution of the State or Territory or the District of Columbia, as the case may be, in which the depositors reside. R. 5034) to provide for the purchase ofUnited States bonds by the Sec­ retary of the Treasury. The law itself sett~s that. The Senator from South Carolma knows Mr. SHERMAN. I ask that the regular order be informally laid precisely the proportions which his constituents will be entitled to. aside with a view to continue and close the pending matter. I think The PRESIDING OFFICER. The proposed amendment will be we can c]o~e it in a short time. read. Mr. STEWART. I object, if debate is going to continue. We shall. The CHIEF CLERK. In line 10, after the word '' the4", '' it is pro­ not get through with the bill in two hours, I fear. posed to strike out the words "legal representatives" and insert: M:r. SHERMAN. I ·submit the motion, at any rate. Widow and children, if there be any; if not, to the father and mothet·, if any; M:r. RIDDLEBERGER. I was asked to suspend, and I did so, in and if not, to the brothers and sisters, if any, and none others. deference to the Chair. Mr. VOORHEES. I want to inquire what is the matter with grand­ l'llr. STEWART. I am willing the debate shall proceed by unani­ children? Why draw the line on them? mous consent if we can have the liberty of interposing an objection here­ Mr. HISCOCK. I will say to the Senator from Indiana-- after, if the debate goes on at any considerable length. Mr. VOORHEES. I concur in the amendment suggested by the Mr. SHERMAN. Let it go on by unanimous consent. Senator from New York. That is right, and it is substantially what The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Ohio asks unani­ the bill now is; but I am perfectly willing, in order to make it clear mous consent that the unfinished business be informally laid aside. and explicit, to vote for his amendment. I wish the Senator would Mr. HARRIS. Reserving the right, as I understand the Senator J send it to the desk and have it read. from Nevada, to call for the regular order whenever any Senator chooses. Now, I may not be as patient in regard to the strictures on this bill The PRESIDING OFFICER. Reserving the right of the friends of as some others. Here is a case where the Government started a bank the unfinished business to call for Hat a fnttire time. Is there objec­ for these poor, ignorant people. They had faith to deposit their money, tion? The Chair hears none, and it will ba so ordered. The Senator and there is a balance due them. It was under Government super­ from Virginia will proceed. VlSlOn. They have a right to demand that the Government shall make Mr. RIDDLEBERGER. I wish I could makesomestatementwhich, them good; and wherever their money would have gone in their bands as I think, ·would represent the very element that seems to be under and to whomsoever it would have descended had it remained there and consideration, without being retarded in speech further than my pbys- j 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECOR)D-SENATE. 2687 ical condition reQuires me to be. I rePresent that e1eme1lt from the most general way) concerning Blind Tom, but I do know what has been South. I am the only m:m on this flool.· from the South who does; and the general course of adjudication in our State and what have been. I am not afraid to represent it. I say tbat if the amendments which the acts of its Legis-lature. I do know the fact that the relations be­ have been offered to tbe bill shall be put upon it, this measure will tween the colored people which have been alluded to have been estab­ perpetrate ~ greater fraud upon the freedmen of the South than the lished in law and are recognized to rela.te back to former times, and to bank itself. There are no widows among them; there are no legiti­ legitimate the de jar:to relations which then existed. mate children and no legitimate grandchildren among them. It is I was not attempting to answer any argument of the Senator from nonsense to legislate in ·tbe way pToposed. You propose to put it in Virginia when I adverted to the general character of the bill. I was the power of some one to use a mere matter of legislation for a political answering in that particular line the objections of other gentlemen who purpose. seem to think that this bill is not warranted because there is no legal The Freedman's Bank was instituted to take care of the colored peo­ liability upon the part of the Government to reimburse the (l...epositors ple, and the Government for the time being became their guardian. of the Freedman's Bank, and I was about to say when I yielded to his The Government itself defaulted when the bank defaulted, and the inquiry that the conditions under which these deposits we:fe mad·e were Government can not make good the money so far as the colored people unprecedented conditions and conditions which can never transpire of the South are concerned if it uses the term "wives, children, and again. An ignorant race which had been under the domination of an­ grandchildren." A ten-line bill would answer aU the purpose, to pay other had suddenly merged into freedom. back the money-to those who earned a living, and those only, for the The Government was 1·ecognized by the colored people as assuming others are not thinking of it. for the nonce a.nd until. established law should be settled all over the As to the claim agent, if you take that provision out of the bill you Southern country-as taking superintendence over their affairs in life. destroy it so Htr as it can conserve anyinteresttothepoor, uneducated They were, in the parlance of the timro, ''the wards of the nation.'' fre.edman, for if the liberated slave is to get any benefit under the bill Therefore when a band, a dmm, a flag, came along,' or anything that ha.d at all, ifit shall become a law, he can not come here; hemusthave an on it the stamp of the United States under its laws was presented to agent. Fix it as you fix your pension bills. If a man shall charge those people, they did not look beyond its ostensible character to con­ , . more than a certain sum for procuring a pension, you punish him under sider its real one. Therewasnotoneofthem whodeposited hismoney yonr criminallawf!". If you provide that because a man happens to be in the bank who did not feel that the faith and the pledge of the Gov­ an attOTney in the city of Washington he is to be tabooed and is not to ernment was behind the bank and thathewasconfidinghis littleprop­ be recognized at al1, you simply say to the laboring, ignorant negro, erty into its hands to be faithfully restored. who would get something under the bill if it means anything, that he As this was the general and popular apprehension, and as the Gov­ shall not approach this capital unless he shall walk from his home here. ernment put forward the agencies which created that apprehension, I ask that the Senate will print these amendments and allow us to while like other gentlemen I will not contend that }here is a legal lia­ see them, for if I mean anything in the action which I shall ask on this bility which could' be enforced, or one which is legally binding, to be bill, it will be tJlat those whom it is intended to benefit shall receive enforced, I ~et also recognize that there is a moral respo~sibility about that which the Government ought, by such a law as this, to give them, it which, in the fair dealings between man and man, Government and and they will not receive it under the amendments offered. citizen, should incline the Government to restore to these poor people 'l'he PRESIDING OFFICER. The question is on the substitution of the little sums which they hoarded from their earnings aud thought the amendment offered by the Senator from New York for the amend­ they were confiding to its care. ment offered by the Senator from :MisJouri. Every one of these depositors can not come here to get his or her Mr. DANIEL. Mr. President, ifanySenatordesirestimetoconsiderthe money; for instance, it will be impossible for a colored man or woman exact operation pf any of the amendments which have been offered, I in 1\-fississippi or Louisiana or Texas to come in prop~·id pe1·sond to the wonld not, of course, oppose the postponement of this measure until it Treasury and present his or her claim. It will be necessary that the could be a little more sedately considered. But I do not conceive that usual agencies which are employed by men for the purpose of present­ the objections which the Senator from Virginia has statedarealtogether ing and proving claims shall be employed by them. Instead of pro­ practical ones. It can not be said in reference to the State which I hibiting this to be done, as some propose, it seems to me that the bill hM·e the honor in part to represent upon this floor that the widowhood properly contemplates that rules and regulations shall be prepared by or the childhood or the right of inheritance of the colored people was the head of the Treasury Department, which will put around the trans­ not as thoroughly recognized by law as that of any other race. action all the safeguards which can occur to a man of intelligence The first Lcgislatn.::e of Virginia that assembled when the war had looking to the faithful discharge of the trust committed to his hands.· just ended, and before the days of reconstruction came, legitimated and Mr. COCKRELL. Will the Senator from Virginia allow me to in­ recognized the relations de facto which had existed between different terrupt him ? members of the colored race, and the decisions of the courts ha-ve sus­ Mr. DANIEL. Certainly. tained the legislative acts, which are but types of acts of the same char­ :M:r. COCKRELL. Let me suggest that there is no trouble in the acter that were passed at different times throughout the Southern world with the Treasury Department paying the money directly to the country. · parties through the postmasters at the various places. They are bonded I am aware that at this distance of time, after nearly a quarter of a officers, and the checks can be sent to them and the money can be paid century, there will be difficulty in tracing these relations. That would out by them upon proof of identity, as the Government is doing to-day exist in any race where time, and casualty, and death, and removals in other cases; so that there will be no inconvenience from that source. had separated the individualmembers of a family. But ifwe propose Mr. :OANIEL. I think the suggestion which has been made by the to do justice we must approximate it by the best method that the law Senator from :Missouri is one which relieves the pressure of some argu· admits of. These practical difficulties that inhere in the very nature ments which have been urged against this bill. The Government can of human a:fiair.s are simply matters which can not be overcome, and employ all the known agencies with which it is familiar to prevent must be surrendered to when the difficulties of tracing relationship be­ middlemen and claim agents from swallowing up and devouring the come unsurmountable. small sums which are intended for its beneficiaries. With such guards I think it would perhaps be best to let the bill go over to-day, so that it seems to me that the bill ought to be enacted into a law and that the minds of those gentlemen who have addressed attention to apparent justice-already too tardy-ought to be done this humble class of citi­ defects or insufficiencies in it might have time to dwell upon them and zens who trusted in the faith of the Government and who have pa­ to perfect the amendments which they desire to offer. tiently awaited the day when it might be disposed to recognize and to As to the bill itself, it seems to me that it is a humane and just bill. pay their claims. rt is true that the Government is not legally liable in a technical sense Mr. PLATT. Mr. President, can I call for the regular order at this to pay any of the debts which were contracted by the Freedman's Bank, time? which came into being just after the war; butwhiletlris legal and tech­ The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator can do so. nicalliabili ty does not exist, there is a moralliability resulting out ofthe Mr. PLATT. I call for the regular order. very peculiar and extraordinary conditions of the colored race and the Mr. COCKRELL. I suggest that the amendment my colleague pro. country at the time the Freedman's Bank was operating. posed be printed. Mr. RIDDLEBERGER. Will my colleague allow me to interrupt 1\fr. TELLER. Let all the amenuments be printed . . him?. Mr. ALLISON. I hope the Senator from Connecticut will withdraw The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the Senator from Virginia yield the call for the regular order until the Senator from Ohio, who has charge to his colleague? of the bill which is under consideration, returns to the Chamber. He Mr. DANIEL. Certainly. will be here in a moment. · 1\fr. RIDDLEBERGER. Thel'eisnodifference between my colleague 1\Ir. STEWART. It will certainly take a long time to dispose of this and myself as to the legal aspect. I think we are both acquainted witoh bill. the fact that the mother of Blind Tom (about whose maternal rela­ The PRESIDING OFFICER. The unfinished business was passed tionship there was no doubt, and all the doubt was on the other side) over subject to objection, and the discussion upon the bill that was called could not even recover her right to control him in a Virginia court or up in the morning hour was continued by unanimous consent. The in e>en a United States court.. That is the point I endeavored to make. Chair understands the Senator from Connecticut now to call for the I beg pardon for interrupting my colleague. regular order. Mr. DANillL. I am not familiar with the litigation (except in a 1\fr. PLATT. Yes, sir. '2688 OONGREBSIONAL RECORD-SENATE .. APRIL 4,

The PRESIDING OFFICER. That being in accordance with the Mr. RANSOM submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by unanimous agreement, the regular order will be laid before the ~enate. him to the bill (H. R. 2952) fo!-" the allowance of certain claims for Mr. SHER.M:AN. I then move to proceed to the consideration of the stores and supplies taken and used by the United Statf'.s Army, as re­ Frer.dman's Bank bill. ported by the Court of Claims under the provisions of the act of March Mr. TELLER and others. Do not do that. 3, 1883, known as the Bowman act; which was referred to the Com­ Mr. SHERMAN. I want to get the bill out ofthe way. mittee on Claims, and ordered to be printed. Mr. COCKRELL. I suggest to the Senator from Ohio to let the bill DENVER AND 'RIO GRANDE RAILROAD. lie over. It would probably save a. good deal of discussion to take that Mr. TELLER. This morning the bill (H. R. 1262) granting the right course. of way to the Denver and Rio Grande Railroad through the Fort Craw­ Mr. SHERMAN. I will never call the bill up again. It has passed ford military reservation, was referred to the Committee on Military the Senate twice unanimously; it has been reported by the Committee .Affairs. I desire to have that order vacated, and have the bill lie on on Finance twice or three times. It has been upon the Calendar. It the table. has been discussed and every word has been studied and conned over The same bill bas passed the Senate practically, and I shall call it up If again and again. it is met with amendments about legal heirs, legal at some future time. It is not. necessary to have the House bill re­ 1·epresentatives, and the question whether certain people were married ferred. regularly down South at certain times, it is hardly worth while to keep The PRESIDING OFFICER. If there be no objection, the reference it up, it seems to me. We all want to pass it. '!'here is not a member will be reconsidered, and the bill will lie on the table. of the Senate-- M1·. TELLER. I do not ask to take it up now. Mr. COCKRELL. I beg the Senator not to include all Senators in his statement. There are some here who have just as independent l'!f.ESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE. views about this measure.as the Senator from Ohio, and I am one of them. A message from the House of Representatives, by Mr. CLARK, it~ I think it is a great outrage upon the tax.:vayers of the United States Clerk, announced that the House had non-concurred in the amend­ that they should be called upon to reimburse this money, and I pro­ ments of the Senate to the bill (H. R. 1956) to ratify and confirm an pose to give my views upon the question. I should think the men who agreement with the Gros Ventre, Piegan, Blood. Blackfeet, and River traveled around through the South and represented that they were the Crow Indians in Montana, agreed to the conference asked by the Sen­ Q-overnment of the United States cou1d do no act to bind the tax-payers ate on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses thereon, and had ap­ of this country. pointed Mr. PEEL, Mr. HARE, and Mr. LA FOLLETTE the managers Mr. SHERMAN. I do not want to press the bill against the pend­ of the conference on the part of the House. ing business, but if the Senator from Missouri will getup and make his The message also announced th!lt the House hadnon-concurred in the opposition to it, malce his speeches ever so strong, and let us take a vote amendments of the Senate to the joint resolution (H. Res. 81) to au­ upon it, there will be an end of it. What is the proposition now, Mr. thorize the purchase of the lands necessary for the construction of locks President? and dams on the Cumberhmd River, agreed to the conference asked by The PRESIDING OFFICER. The regular order has been called for the Senate on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses thereon, and by the Senator from Connecticut. had appointed Mr. BLANCHARD, Mr. STEW ART of Texas, and llr. Mr. PLATT. May I be permitted to say a word in explanation of HENDERSON of North Carolina the managers at the conference on the my call for the regular order ? part of the House. The PRESIDING OFFICER. If there be no objection, the Senator PURCHASE OF BONDS. from Connecticut will be permitted to proceed. The PRESIDING Of·FICER. The unfinished business will be pro­ Mr. PLATT. Theregnlar business which was beforetheSenateyes­ ceeded with. terday, the import:apt business which is the special order as soon as the The Senate resumed the consideration of the bill (H. R. 5034) to pro­ unfinished business is disposed of, and furtberimportant business which vide for the purchase of United States bonds by the Secretary of the I hope to have considered when these two subjects are disposed of, Treasury. seem to justify me in asking that after 2 o'clock, at least, the Senate The PRESIDING OFFICER. The pending question is on the adop­ shall pay attention to the regular business which comes up at that tion of the amendment proposed by the Senator from Kentucky [!l!r. time. I wish this bill to pass, but these important measures are being BECK] to the amendment made as in Committee of the Whole on the postponed from day to day just by the operation of taking up some­ motion of the Senator from Wisconsin [Mr. SPOONER]. thing in the morning hoUl', and then making it the unfinished business Mr. STEWART. On that I ask for the yeas and nays. to the displacement of everything else, either actually or construct­ The yeas and nays were ordered. ively; and I feel that I ought to insist upon the regular order. Mr. SAULSBURY. Let the amendment be read . .1\Ir. SHERMAN. I ask the Senator from Missouri whether he de­ The PRESIDING OFFICER. The amendment will be read. sires further time in order to express his views? The SECRETARY. It is proposed to add the following additionnJ Mr. COCKRELL. I intend to make a short speech on this ques­ section: tion, and I think there will be others who will wish to do so. I think SEc. 2. That whenever the circulation, or any portion thereof, of any national it will be an economy of time to let the bill go over. bank, not in liquidation, shall be surrendered, by the deposit of United States 1\Ir. PLATT. The bill can be taken up to-morrow morning. notes in the Treasury or otherwise, and the same, or an equivalent a.mqunt, i!i not taken by other national banks within thirty days thereafter, the Secretary Mr. SHERMAN. Then I shall not insist upon going on with the of the Treasury is hereby authorized and directed to purchase, at the market bill, although I do hope tha£ the Senate will vote finally upon the bill price thereof, an equivalent amount in silver bullion in excess of the minimum when it comes up again. of two million dollars' worth per month for coinage purposes, which shall be coined and used as provided in the act passed February 28, 1 78, entitled ".An The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Chair will lay the unfinished act to authorize the coinage of the standard silver dollar and restore its legal­ business before the Senate. tender character:" Provided, That nothing in this act shall alter or repeal said Mr. RIDDLEBERGER. :May I inquire whether the amendments act of February 28, 1878. are to be printed? I made a motion to that effect. Mr. FRYE. I was necessarily absent yesterday part of the time The PRESIDING OFFICER. If there be no objection, the amend­ when this matter was under consideration, and I have lost its status. ments will be printed. The Senator from Wisconsin [Mr. SPOONER] was about to offer an Mr. RIDDLEBERGER. I want to vote for the bill if the amend­ amendment as I went out of the Chamber. Has that amendment been ments will conform to what I understand to be the object and purpose adopted? of the bill, and I hope to receive the assent of the Senate to print the The PRESIDING OFFICER. The amendment of the Senator from amendments. Wisconsin was adopted. The PRESIDING OFFICER. It is so ordered. Mr. FRYE. It was adopted as a substitute for the original bill? Ur. VEST. If the bill goes over, I offer an amendment in order that The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Chair understands that tQ have it may be printed. . been the effect of the amendment. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from MiSsouri presents Mr. FRYE. Then the pending amendment is an amendment to the an amendment for the purpose of having it printed. It will be so or­ substitute? dered. The PRESIDING OFFICER. That is the state of the case. PRESIDENTIAL APPROVALS. Mr. GEORGE. The amendment offered by the Senator from. Wis­ A message from thePresidentofthe United States, by:M:r. 0. L. PRu­ consin has not been agreed to by the Senate? It was on1y adopted as DEN, one of his secretaries, announced that the President had on the in Committee of the Whole? 2d instant approved and signed the following acts: The PRESIDING OFFICER. The bill is in the Senate, and the An act (S. 309) for the relief of R. G. Huston & Co.; and question is upon concurring in the amendment made as in Committee of An act (S. 643) to construct a road to the national cemetery at Corinth, the Whole, to which the Senator from Kentucky has offered an amend· Miss. ment, which is now before the Senate. Al\:IENDMENTS TO BILLS. Mr. TELLER. Mr. President, yesterday when this bill was under Mr. BLAIR submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by discussion I find by looking at the RECORD a statement that I did not him to the bill (H. R. 8004) authorizing the issue of fractional silver exactly hear at the time, because the ~eneml condition of .the Senate is certificates; which was referred to the Committee on Finance, and or- such that nobody hears anything unless he sits next to the speaker. dered to be printed. " · That seems to have been for some tiure the normal condition of this / 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. 2689 body. I find by looking at the RECORD that the Senator from New make any difference between the value of the silver dollar at present Jersey [Mr. 1\IcPHEBBON], in speaking upon this question, used the fol- and the value of the silver dollar then. The Senator himself sa-id in lowing language: . debate yesterday that there was no cheap dollar. He admitted that. And now it is proposed to issue more than $!,000,000 per month additiona! to We heard the silver dollar of 412t grains for years called a cheap dol­ that now coined. In other words, if the 4l per cent. bonds should be surren­ lar, but the Senator admitted that it was not a cheap dollar. Why? dered and purchased by the Government, and $85,000,000of currency, for which the H per cent. bonds are held as security, should be redeemed, then 85,000,000 Because it is exchangeable for everything that a gold dollar is ex­ ofsilYer dollars must immediately be coined in addition to those now required changeable for in equal quantities. to be coined. I wish to say in relation to that, if the Treasury of the United. When the Senator was discu...c;sing this question day before yesterday States within sixty days after that is done is not upon a. silver basis pure and simple, and if gold is not at a premium, then all financial instruction we have he talked about the silver dollar being intrinsically worth only 70 cents. hnd in the past is at fault. It is intrinsically worth as much as the gold dollar. What does the I suppose when the Senator from New Jersey spoke of the ''finan­ Senator mean by the term ''intrinsically worth?" Does he mean that cial instruction" that must be at fault he referred to the financial in­ it is not the value-of the silver of itself or the gold of itself? ''In­ struction that had come from the opponents of silver in the Senate. trinsically worth" means absolutely nothing in the theory of finance. Mr. McPHERSON. Will the Senator let me correct the word now? When applied a.s it should be applied the term means that the article I should have saia ''experience,'' but I sometimes use words very care­ has the capability of being exchanp;ed for something else, and when lessly. anything can be exchanged in equal quantities for another thing the Mr. TELLER. I am not now acquainted with what theSenatorhas two things are equal. Thus, when you can buy as much wheat or. ~s just, said. I could not hear him. · much corn for a silver dollar as you can for a gold dollar, by a ~ll­ Mr. McPHERSON. If the Senator will bear with me, I find often known rule that we learned when we were students at school, two that I am somewhat careless in the use of words when speaking extem­ things being equal to the same thing are equal to each other. They poraneously in the Senate. Although I suppose my language was cor­ being capable of being exchanged for the same identical -things, pay­ rectly reported, ce1·tainly the word ''instruction" should have been ing the same debts, discharging the same obligations, it can not be said ''experience." The latter word would have been more fitting. that one is intrinsically less valuable than the other. Mr. TELLER. So the Senator desires to change his statement and But, the Senator will say, you can not take your 412! grains of sil­ make it read, "then all financial experience we have had in the past ver and go to England and buy gold with it, as you once could. How­ is at fault." I will accept it in that way, and I think that! can show ever, that can be done upon more than one-half of this great globe. You in a very few moments, not intending to t.'llke much of the time of the can go to India to-day with your silver and buy more or as many prod­ Senate, that our financial experience ha8 been entirely different from ucts in India as you could before the so-called fall. The intrinsic value what the Senator supposes. of silver can not be thus measured. I know that in 1859, when silver I find also a statement made the day before by the Senator from New was at a premium, you could buy corn in some of the Western States Jersey. In speaking of the coinage of silver he said: ''We have coined for 10 cents a bushel, and io-day corn in one of those same States and more than all the rest of the world combined." I thought that prob­ in the same town and in the same place is worth 60 cents a bushel. ably the Senator had got that statement where he got the rest of his So silver could buy more corn then. Why? Because of the differ­ financial instruction, for it is equally faulty, as I shall show before I ence in price of the article with which it is to compet-e, and that is the get through. only reason. The rupee will buy as much wheat in India to-day as it I understood the Senator also to complain the other day (and I en­ would buy in 1859. Therefore, if you give the proper definition to the deavored to interrupt him without much success) that there was trouble term, ''intrinsic value'' means capability of being exchanged for some­ with the import duties; that they come in silver certificates to such an thing else, and you can not say because a coin 'Jill not buy just as _ extent as to embarrass the Department charged with the collection of much in this country as it did formerly that its intrinsic value is less the revenues of the country. I know that that has been charged re­ than it was before. peatedly, but it is not true. I hold before me now a statement from :M:r. STEWART. I should like to inquire of the Senator f1·om Colo­ the Treasury Department showing the percentage of gold and silver rado if he recognizes the fact that there is such a thing as intrinsic coin, of gold certificates, silver certificates, and United States notes re­ value as applied to any commodity or to money? ceived since the 1st day of January, 1887, monthly, from customs in Mr. TELLER. No, I do not; and that is the great fallacy of the New York, where, of course, _the great bulk of our customs is collected. whole argument. I :find that at no time since that date have silver certificates been re­ Mr. STEWART. As I understand the term "Yalue," as applied to ceived in the payment of important duties in excess of 7 per cent. of money or any merchantable article, it consists not in intrinsic quality the total amo~t collected-I mean on any one day or any two or three at all, but it depends upon the desire of man. That is the limitation. days' average. The average has been anywhere from 7 to 2 per cent., Mr. TELLER. I agree with the Senator from Nevada. There can and 7 per cent. occurred only once in all the figures in that time. I be no intrinsic value in money, whether it be gold or whether it be sil­ find that on January 10, 1887, when there were 7 per cent. of silver ver or whether it be paper. It might with some propriety be said that coin certificates received, there were 69.3 per cent. of gold certificates corn and wheat and oats and things that sustain human life mighli have 1·eceived on the same day. I find that on the 31st day of March, 1888, intrinsic value, but that can not be said of gold and silver. It is a mis­ there were 78.7 per cent. of gold certificates received and 4 per cent. of use of terms to speak of its intrinsic value. It has a value to corre­ silver certificates, and the statement is that eleven days before, on the spond with its ability to absorb other things that people want. When 20th of March, there were 79.1 per cent. of gold certificates received a transaction is made between two people by which one man gets some­ and 8 per cent. of silver certificates. At the same time, on the day I thing that another one has, the buyer closes and limits that obligation have mentioned, there was something oYer 11 per cent. received of by the tender of either silver or gold, if he has it, and if he bas it not greenbacks. he tenders something else. It has no intrinsic value. In other words, this statement shows that silver coin and silver cer­ While silverto-daywill not buy gold in equal quantities to what it tificates compose the least part of the import duties collected in the did in 1859, yet, as I said the other day, and it is not to bequestioned city of New York. Therefore it can not be said that the Department here or elsewhere, with rare exceptions (and those exceptions have is embarrassed by the collection of import duties in either silver or sil­ nothing whatever to do with the character of the money) silver will ver certificates, for the amount received is inconsequential as to both buy a.s much as it ever would buy in the history of this conn try for the last silver certificates and silver coin. hundred years. Its purchasing power is as great, compared with other The Senator from New Jersey said that the silver certificates went things, as it ever has been, except as to gold, and the difference in the into the subtreasury at New York, and were immediately returned price, of which I might speak if I had time, is entirely owing to things here. That is very proper. When they are sent out, why should they outside of the question of the value of silver. not come back? Thus they go back and forth. The silv~r certificate Mr. President, what has been the modern history of the world with does only what the greenback does, but not to the same extent; it does reference to this question? The Senator from Kansas [Mr. PLUME] not get into the Treasury for the payment of duties in an amount equal yesterday showed us, as I had attempted to do on a former occa.Sion, to the greenback. from the records of this Government, that we have four times as much The Senator from New Jersey said that if we pass this bill a.c:; now money in this country now as we had in 1877, just previous to the pas­ proposed to be amended we shall be on a silver basis within sixty days, sage of the Bland bill; and it was then that the Senator from New for $85,000,000 would be coined in addition to the present coinage of Jersey and the Senator from Ohio, the latter being at that time a Cabi­ silver. The Senator corrected himself yesterday, under the advice of net officer, and others of the same class, told us that if we remonetized the Senator from Kentucky, by saying that there could not be to ex­ silver even in that imperfect way, we should drive all tpe gold out of ceed $69,000,000 coined under any circumstances if the entire surren­ the country. We were pointed to England as the nation that should der of that class of bonds should be made. be our exemplar on all questions of finance. We were told that Eng­ It can not be supposed by anybody that this surrender of bonds is land had adopted the gold standard, and that therefore we ought to to be made all at once. They are to come in gradually, and this money adopt it. is to be paid out gradually. It is to be added to the circulating me­ I have taken a little pains to see what Great Britain has been doing dium by degrees, and not in haste. with reference to gold, and how she, under her monometallic gold sys­ I repeat, there is not anything in the experience of this country or in tem, has been accumulating money, the only money she recognizes ex­ the experience of the world that will justify any man in saying that cept the token silver money. From 1858 to 1865 the net imports of $250,000,000 of silver in this counti·y put on the market to-day would gold into Great Britain were £29,658,000; from 1865 to 1875 they were XIX-169 2690 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. APRIL 4,

£50,108,000, or a. total of £79,766,000. That was up to the time when year was about $35, 000,000. The Senator in the same breath ·tells this disturbance began about silver. In round numbers that would be us that the entire product of the mines of the world is about $100,000,- $398,000,000. We may say that $398,000,000 had been the net import 000. Certainly if those statements are all true it leaves l;mt about of gold into Great Britain in about seventeen years. $35,000,000 more for the coinage of all the rest of the world. The While we have been doubling up and quadrupling o.ur gold, what has Senator knows full well that the silver coinage of most countries is Great Britain been doing? Has she been adding to her hoard of gold? full and has been for yea1'S. He knows that there is but little coinage Has any country been adding to its hoard of gold except Germany, of the equivalent of the silver dollar among other nations. Some of France, and ihe United States? From 1876 to 1885, including that them have restricted it; others have absolutely abandoned the coinage year, the net exports of gold were £865,000; in1886 they were £342,000. of silver and closed their mints against it. According to the Senator's Thus from 1876 to 1886 England had lost £1,207,000, or $6,000,000 of own statement and the information he has given me I wish to know gold, having $6,000,000 less gold now in her coffers and among her peo­ now if I am very far wrong in that statement. Further than that, will ple than she had in 1875, while we have more than four times as mu~h the Senator make a computation of the entiresilver coinage of the world as we had in 1875. · during the year 1887, and then tell me whether he is correct or myself. . Mr. PLATT. I should like to ask the Senator from Colorado whether Mr. TELLER. I will come to that presently. I am not without he does not recognize the fact that the balance of trade may have some­ the proper data. When I come to discuss thjs question I do not do it thing to do with the accumulation or the loss of gold? upon any outside statement that somebody makes to me; I look up the Mr. TELLER. I have not any doubt about that. I have not any matter for myself. If I do not understand it, it is simply because I question about the balance of trade being decidedly in om favor and have not the capacity, for I have the facts before me. assisting us in bringing gold to this country; but that was not the point. I was proceeding to give the Senator the information that he wanted, The point was whether this :financial policy would not destroy the bal­ or rather which I do not think be did want, and which I do not think ance of trade. That is what we were told. We were told it would any of those people want who are opposed to silver. I was trying to render it impossible for us to do business in such a way as to bring give him some cold facts. I would a good deal rather have cold facts from all the ends of the earth the gold that we had been bringing. We than theories. I would a good deal rather have official statements than were told that if any money came here at all it would be silver, and prophesies upon a question of this kind. I had given the silver coin­ silver alone, and we should be upon a silver basis. I will not say that age of 1882, and now I will give him the coinage of silver in 1883. The anybody fixed the time then quite so soon as the Senator from New amount in 1883 was $109,306,705. That is the coiruige of the world, J"erseyhas now done; that is, within sixty days; but we were told that remember. That includes somerecoinage, of which I will speak further within a short time we should be upon a silver basis. An the prophets on. In 1884 the 2.mount of silver coinage was $90,059,443. In 1885 of this body and the banks and the boards of trade in the great cities the amount is variously estimated from $96,554,470 to $105,705,299. made the same prophecy. This experience ought to be sufficient to It is estimated at $105,000,000 by our officials here, and at $96,000,000 demonstrate that our position then was right, and yet we hear in the by some other authorities. In 1886 there was coined in the world, i1: Senate from the Senator from Ohio aud from the Senator from New the Director of the Mint is not incorrect, $124,000,000. I wish to say .Jersey the same old stale story. Right from the people who demand, here that so correct has been the Director of the Mint that it was cer­ as they have a right to demand, simply that the circulating medium tified before the English commission that the United States statistics of this country shall be kept up, we are to be told if we do not submit were the best and most reliable statistics in the world; that they could we are to be upon a silver basis. I repeat there is nothing in the ex­ be relied upon with greater accuracy than the statistics of any other .perience, if there has been in the instructions of which the Senator country. The Director of the 111int states that in 1886 there were _ from New Jersey was supposed to speak, that justifies this statement. $124,000,000 coined. Of that amount alittleless than $14,000,000 was The Senator from·N ew Jersey ma.de one other statement which shows recoinage, showing an absolute coinage of new silver of $110,000,000. _how ill-advised he is upon this matter. I say with all due deference Nobody in the world that I have ever heard of, either here or elsewhere, and with no desire to say that which will be considered harsh that the has estimated the production of silver at more than $130,000,000 for great trouble of the people who stand and threaten and prophesy is the year 1886. There is no publication that I know of giving the coin­ not that they lack honesty, but that they are ignorant. The men who age of 1887. That I might be fortified at least by the opinion of those have attempted to instruct the American people upon this subject for who have examined this matter as to 1887, I telegraphed this morning fifteen years have never studied the A B C of the science of finance. to the Director of the Mint for estimates that he had made for 1887 for Whether that assertion is applied to the Executive or to the prophets the coinage of the world. He replies: on this :floor, it is true. Men who gave not an hour's attention to it No estimate bas been made of world's coinage for 1887. Probably not ma­ previous to their induction into office immediately assume to lecture terially different from th:l.t of 1886, for which year it amounted to ~12'1,000,000 men who have given a life-long study to the question, and tell them coining value. what would be the effect of this or that class of legislation. So I say, I say to the Senator from New .Jersey that he is not quite correct when with no desire to injure any man's feelings or to be abrupt or cruel, he says that with our $34,000,000, including fractional coin, we have the fact is. that we are suffering from the ignorance of the self-consti­ coined more than all the rest of the world. It will be seen that we have tuted guardians of the finances of this country. coined less than a third of all the coinage of the world. We are told that we have coined more than the rest of the world com­ Mr. President, these are not guesses. There is some issue of silver bined of silver coinage. There is not any doubt but that the Senator in Asia that can not be accounted for. It is difficult to say what the from New Jersey supposed that to be a correct statement, and yetifhe coinage may be in some ofthe half-civilized regions of the earth, but I had gone to the records of his own Government, if he had gone to the have given the coinage of the nations that are engaged in commerce. reports of the Secretary of the Treasmy, to the reports of the Director This is the coinage of the commercial world, including IndL.1. and other of the Mint, or to the report of any official who deals with this subject, regions where silver is used. The three countries that have coined the he would have found at least that there was an estimate that they put most silver are the United States, Mexico, and India. Their coinage out as worthy of confidence and belief, showing that in 1881 there was comprises the great bulk of it. In the report of the Director of the $108,010,068 of silver money coined, and that in 1882 there was $110,- Mint, as transmitted by the Secretary of the Treasmy, we have the coin­ 785,934 of silver money coined. age of all the countries given, the coinage of the United States, of Mex­ :Mr. :McPHERSON. Would it interfere with the Senator's argument ico, of Bolivia, of the Argentine Republic, and so on, running down if I should interrupt him? through. I will not read the figures and thus encumber the l~ECORD :Mr~ TELLER. Not the slightest, if the Senator wishes to ask a ques­ with what is immaterial. tion; but I do not care about the Senator making a speecli in the mid­ I will just call attention to what India coined in 1882. India coined dle of mine. more than $29,000,000. The United States coined nearly $28,000,000 Mr. McPHERSON. From the best inforlllation I can gain by con­ that year. In 1883 India coined $25,000,000. The next year she ference with the Senator from Colorado and other gentlemen upon the coined but$14,000,000~ and in 1885 she coined only about $20,000,000. floor who represent the silver interests and are supposed and known to Not only can the Senator :find in this report how much coinage there be very much acquainted with the amount of silver which has been the was in the world, but he can :find an estimate made with great care of product of the mines of the world during the past year, the amount is all the coinage that has been made in the different countries for nearly about $100,000,000. the last hundred years. So we are not left to guE'SS where the silver is. 1\Ir. STEWART. It is about $100,000,000. When we talk about this question and say there is not enough silver Mr. McPHERSON. That is now reiterated by the Senator from Ne­ in the world to overwhelm us, we are not making prophecies or guesses. vada~ We have the documents to prove our assertion, and documents that are Mr. STEWART. I am aware that the reports make it a little more recognized both in this country and in Europe as worthy of credence than that; but I am aware how the report:B are obtained. The reports aud belief. as to gold and silver, to my own personal knowledge, are exaggerated The Senator from New Jersey inquires if there are only $130,000,000 in almost every case. . of silver at the outside produced-and we say there is less-how this Mr. McPHERSON. I listened with a great deal of pleasure to the coinage can go on. There is always, to some small extent, a little gold speech made the other day on the :floor by the Senator from Colorado, or a little silver hid away that may come out when there is a demand in which he informed the Senate that we had coined during the past year for it, and so there will always be a little more or a little less coined -thirty-three million of standard silver dollars. He proceeded further each year; but the coinagewillnot depend upon the production; it will to state that the amount-taken and used in the art:B during the past depend npon other circumstances. 1888. CONGRESSIONAL REOORD-SENATE. 2691,

I have thought it well in this connection to submit to the Senate, that and months and years of study to it; and when you find that class of 'it may go into the RECORD, a statement of the coinage of gold during men, as you do in Europe, with rare exceptions they speak in the same the same time that I have given the coinage of silver. tones as we do when we say that the interest of the whole commercial In 1881 the world coined $147,015,275of gold; in 1882, $99,697,170; world is wranped up in the use of the two money metals. in 1883, $104,845,114; in 1884, $99,459,240; in 1885, $94,573,328, and I propose to submit here, not caring to read it, what I find in the in 1886, $92,633,400. I will state to the Senate that there is no esti­ last report of the English royal commission, the statement put in by mate yet made in this country, or anywhere else that I am aware of, M. Emile de Laveleye, professor of political economy at the University as to the coinage of 1887. of Liege. I will put his statement against any man living on this con­ The Senator from New Jersey asks me as to the amount ofour own tinent. I will venture that there is not a man who will stand up here coinage last year, the data of which are of course accessible. The coin­ and pretend that he has given the same thought, the same attention age of the fiscal year consists of so many pieces and value, etc. "The that this learned professor has to this question for many years, and I gold coinage consists of-various pieces of the value of $22,293,279. That propose t-o put in the RECORD, if I am allowed to do so without read­ is for the year. I think in the year 1881-my memorandum does not ing, his statement upon Uris subject, both as to the rise and fall of sil­ seem to be where I can put my hand on it-when the total gold coin­ ver and as to the necessity of its use as money in order that the busi­ .age of the world was a little more than $100,000,000, we coined $96,- ness of the· world may go on, and I suggest to some of the Senators, 000,'()00 of gold. Notwithstanding the Bland bill, notwithstanding we who speak upon this subject so readily that they read what he says. were to be on a silver basis, we coined almost the total coinage of the I will not read the statement unless there is objection to my putting world, or over two-thirds of it, in the year I have given, and I think it it in the RECORD without reading. was the year 1881, although I have mislaid the memorandum for the The statement of Professor de Laveleye is as follows: moment. M.EMILE DE LAVELEYE, PROFESSOR. OF POLITICAL ECONOMY AT THE U!i'TVER.­ . SITY OF LIEGE Now I will go back to the coinage of silver in 1887. The silver coin­ 0 I. To what do you attribute the fall in the -value of silver, as compared with age consisted of so many pieces of the total value of 534,366,483.7.5, of gold, since 187!1? which $33,226,831 were in silver dollars, executed principally at the It is perfectly evident that the fall in the value of silver, as compared to gold, mints of Philadelphia and New Orleans. If the Senator from New Jer­ is entirely due to the legislative measures that have been adopted by different states, i.e., firstly, the adoption of the gold instead of the silver standard by Ger­ sey had been told in the beginning of the fiseal year 1887 that there was many and the Scandinavian states, and, secondly, the suspension of the coinage to be added somewhere in the neighborhood of $9,000,000 more than the of silver by the Latin Union, to begin with, and afterwards by all other coun­ smallest limit provided by the act of 1878, he would have thrown up tries save India and the United States. If the coinage of silTer had not been abandoned this metal would not have his hands in horror and would have declared, "Why, if this is done lost in value through increase in its production. A.s all silver now produced you will be on a silver basis." Yet that was done quietly by the De­ finds ready employment, and no stock of it accumulat~s anywhere, is it not partment, without any fright on the part of anybody. What has been quite clear that had the mints of Germany, of the Latin Union, and of .America been kept open they would very easily have absorbed the surplus production? t)le result? I hold before me the last statement of the Treasury De­ A.s a kilogram of silver will a lways i'etch 200 francs in standard money at the partment on this subject, showing the. amount of gold on hand and the Paris m:int, it is quite certain that the price of silver would haTe maintained it­ amount of silver and silver certificates. I find that there are $191,- self at about 60!-d. per ounce, precisely as during the time that the bimetallic system was in vigor in France. 526,445 of silver certificates in this country issued upon silver dollars. II. Wbat probability is there of a. continuance of the fall? There are one hundred and ninety-one million and a half dollars of Will the fall in the value of silver continue? That depends on America.. If' silver certificates, and we were told that when we had got $75,000,000 the Bland bill is repealed a fresh fall is inevitable. III. To what do you attribute the fall in the wholesale prices of many com­ of certjficates we had reached the limit; that it was not safe to go fur­ mQdities which has been in progress during the last ten or twelve years? ther with :.:eference to the finances of the country, and at all events if The fall of the price of certain commodities is due to the increase of their pro­ the finances survived the morality of the country would be destroyed duction, to improved facilities for transport, to the advance made in machine1·y, and to a general amelior ation in all modes of fabrication and manufacture; but by the issue of another dollar. a universal fall in prices affecting all produce, even that which is in no way In addition to these silver certificates we have 59,318,515 of silver touched by the aforementioned causes, can only be explained by a genera1 .coin doing duty as money. While on the last day o! .July, 1886, we reason, and this general reason must necessa1·ily be monetary contraction. . Indeed, simple common sense alone would solve the question. Between the .had $93,959,880 of silver money in the Treasury of the United St.ates years 1850 and 1870 all prices rose, and economists agree in attributing this rise not covered by certificates, we now have only $40,510,000 of money of to an increase in the production of gold. Since 1873 just the contrary has oc­ that kind. That is the number of silver dollars not covered by certi­ curred. The p1·oduction of gold bas steadily diminished and silver is no Ionge•· allowed to make up the deficiency; a fac~ wholly without precedent in eco­ :ficates. We started July 1, 1886, with almost $94,000,000. We have nomic history. The coinage of moneys, so acti\e formerly, has now almost coined $2,000,000 a month every month since, and sometimes two aud ceased, while at the same time the exchanges effected are far more nmnerous a half million dollars, and yet we have reduced the silver in the Treas­ than they used to be. All economists without exception teach that when cash diminishes, CJBteris paribus, prices fall, and it is quite certain that since 1873 the ury of the United States, and we have put out more silver than we stock of gold in Europe has immensely decreased, partly from the exports of have coined, and nobody, save he be a banker somewhere, has been golrl to .America and partly also because industry is ever absorbing a portion heard to raise his voice against inflation by silver certificates or by sil­ of the monetary stock. The present production of gold is clearly insufficient. It is estimated to be ver dollars. about£18,000,000or £19,000,000 annually. .According to Burchard'sand Soetbeer's The other da.y, when I made some remarks on this subject, I called the very careful statistics, trade yearly absorbs about £12,000,000 in gold, due allow­ attention of the Senate to the fact that we had then about $309,557,826 ance being made for remelting. The extreme East has of late yeru._'S taken ::.bout £4,000,000. The losses fro~ wear and tear, shipwrecks, hidden treasures, and of gold in tbe Treasury. Now we have $310,772,202 in the Treasury, such like, amount to at least another £1,000,000. There remains, therefore, at and the gold certificates, which were then $93,097,913, are now $91,- most two millions sterling to face the fresh demand for coin which the immense 953,949. / increase in exchanges all over the world gives rise to . .A.s population and business steadily increase in the two pt·incipal gold-pro~ The last statement shows that the gold in the 'fieasury belonging to ducing countries, the United States and Australia, thesekeepforthemselvesall the United States and notoovered bythecerti:.ficatesis$218,818,252.63; the precious metal they produce. In England, between 1879 and 1.88{, the gold SlJ from the 20th of March to the 31st day of March there accumulated coined amounted to £7,922,830. During the same period the coinage of gold in Australia was £24,112,000, and in the United States $231,000,000 (£46,000,000). The in the Treasury the difference between $216,470,592.63 and $218,818,- coinage of gold in the States exceeded the production by Sl50,000,000, and this 253.63, or very nearly two millions and a half in ten days, and that, excess was of course supplied by gold from the outside world. too, in the face of a coinage of two and a half millions a month and The consumption by trade, combined with the monetary requirements, more more of this despised silver dollar. And yet the 'Senator from New especially if the Bland bill were repealed, would absorb all the gold produced in .America, and the more so that this demand would be ever steadily increas­ J" ersey tells us th!lt our experience must teach all men that the coinage ing owing to the rapid growth both of population and riches. of .a million dollars (for that is the most that can be expected in addi­ It would be the same in Australia and in the extreme East. Europe would, will therefore, have only Russia to look to in the future for her provisions of gold. tion to the present amount) bring us to a silver basis in sixty days. At the present moment all European countries, with the sole exception of I say again these repeated .assertions are denied by the facts and bythe France, have not sufficient gold in circulation. In England, indeed, this scar­ hisioTy, and it is but charitable to suppose they are made on this floor city is an acknowledged fact. "Ten years ago," says the Economist, "the disposal of the London stock exchange was estimated by a competent author­ in ignorance and not malevolently by men who do not study this ques­ ity to be about £4,000,000. .A.t the present time it is far below :that; when a de­ tion and who ought not to speak upon it unless they so do. mand for a million of gold absolutely carries off this sum from the market, and The people of the United States take their views on such questions detains it elsewhere, there is a sensible pressure on the exchange." (Econo­ by what is said on tllli; floor and what is said bythe Executive Depart­ mist, February 4, 1869.) This strange state of things to which the Economist here refers was again perceptible this autumn (1887) ,and is still felt while I write ment chm:ged with these questions; and when these statements, with­ these lines. out n. particle of fact backing them, are made, it is not strange that Italy bas already lost a. considerable portion of the gold which sbe procured people who ha>e not time to investigate these questions should believe at such heavy cost when payments in cash were recommended there. Gold is everywhere at a premium from 2 to 4 per thousand in Paris and in Belgium, that they .are true. Many and many a man in the United States, igno­ e\en at 8 at this moment (Oct-ober, 1887}, from 2 to 3 per cent. in Spain, from 16 rantofwhat is his interest, stands with those who are in favor of destroy­ to 18 per cent. in Roumania. Holland, though a very rich country, has scarcely ing the very property that he owns in the interest not of the great any gold in cireulation, payments being effected in either silver or not-es. Ger­ many is lacking in gold to complete her monetary reforms, and Austria and masses, not in -the interest of the people who toil, but in the interest of Russia and all Eastern Em·ope have no gold in circulation. The scarcity of the men who have accnmulated money and who live bytakingtollfrom gold is indeed an undeniable fact, observable on all sides at the present time, others. and destined to become more and more apparent. It may be objected that gold is not yet absolutely wanting; this is true to a This is a question that has been agitated and discussed not for a few certain extent, because as prices fall when gold becomeil scarce the quantity of years, but for many. The learning upon this subject is beyond the money always appears sufficient. - to This is a special ~anomie phenome non. It may b e maintained that there capacity of any man almost, and no man can profess know what has will always be a sufficient aupply of gold, because all prices fall when the been written and said about it unle...~ _he has given hours and weeks means of exchange aTe diminishing, and therefore a. greater number of ex- 2692 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. APRIL 4,

changes can be effected with a less supply of gold. TheoreticalJy, cash might ance of the currency ts limited to half the currencies of the world, and tilereby be reduced to a minimum, and it would still suffice, because prices would fall increased in intensity. Do you consider this view correct? And, if so, do you proportionately. And, indeed, the less plentiful it is, the more abundant would think the evil a. serious one? 1t appear, for, as the lowering prices would render all business slack, the non­ The disturbances of the currency were produced by the proscription of silver, employed capital would be deposited in banks. This has been. the case during but they are not confined to certain countries. They affect all to a greater or the last few years. less degree, because commercial relations ::t.re now such that the entire world It is very ea.«y to prove beyond n. doubt that the marked and universal fall in forms one great market. The fall in prices has been universal, and has been prices is not due solely to an increase of production and to improved methods productive everywhere of great sufferin~, ruin, and loss. of transport. Between 1850 and 1870 the railway development and the applica­ XVI. If the effect of such disturbances could be spread over all countries, tion of steam made greater progress than during the last ten years; new inven­ would greater stability of the standard of value be secured thereby? If all the tions of all kinds in the industrial world rapidly succeeded each other, and yet greslrcommercia.lpowers were to come to an international bimetallic agreement, during that time production immensely increased and pl'ices rose. Between sudden distm·bances would no longer take place, and changes brought about by 1870 and 1885 economic pro~;ress was also considerable, but less than during the increased or diminished productions of the mines would be very gradual, al­ previous period, and neYertheless prices fell to a lower level than inl850. How, most insensible, as they would extend over suoh vast territory. After the year then, can it be denied that monetary contraction was the cause of this? Accord­ 1850 bimetallism in France, by assisting the absorption of about £260,000,000 in ing to Mr. Sauerheck, production in England between 1850 and 1870 increased gold, prevented the too great depreciation of this metal and arrested the rise in 2t per annum, and between 1870 nod 1885 l lr only, while prices rose during the prices. It acts like a parachute, and e>en such monometallists as l\1ichel Cheva­ first-mentioned period from 18 to 20 per cent. and fell during the second 30 per lier and Jevons admit this. cent. IV. Has it (the fall in prices) extended to (a) retail prices, (b) wages and other Mr. President, I do not propose to detain the Senate with any further payments for services rendered, (c) land and houses? remarks upon this subject. I want simply to give notice that the The fall in prices has been general, bnt wages have not been so much affected question of silver does not cut any particular figure on this bill, and the for the motives alref!.dy indicated by Adam :.:imi.th. V. Has the fall resulted in any material prejudice to the commercial or gen­ amount of silver that will be coined under the Beck amendment, as it eral interests of the world? is called, will be insignificant, and will have perhaps very little or no In theory it is unimportant whether prices are high or low, but practically a influence on the value of silver in this country; but the adoption of the fall a.ffectsa.lllong-standing creditors, companies, shareholders, and holders of mortgages, and benefits people with fixed revenues; or, in other words, as Stu­ provision will show that the great silver-producing country of the world, art Mill puts it, the active portion of society lose and the non-active are gainers; the richest country in the world, is satisfied that it did not make a mis­ but the etrects of the fall while it is actually taking place are still mo1·e serious. take when it partially remonetized silver, and that step by step it pro­ AU transactions and enterprises payable at fixed terms are exposed to a.n inev­ itable loss, and this is most discouraging to public initiative. Hence the stag­ poses to go on until there shall be a complete recognition of silver as a · nation in business now observable. The capital put into the fresh undertak­ money metal equal in all respects with gold. ings started each year has diminished by one-half. The reverse takes place The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The yeas and nays have been or­ during a period of expansion; all prices rise; pro tits are therefore assured Another serious drawback to the present situation is that as the ratio of dered on the amendment of the Senator from Kentucky to the o.mend­ value between gold and silver has become uncertain since the bimetallic system rueut. no longe1· exists in France, all commercial !"elations with countr:es where the Mr. COCKRELL. What is the amendment? silver standard is admitted are subjected to an alea which is most unfavorable to sound trade. The PRESIDENT pro tempo1·e. It will be read. VI. Do you consider that the countries using the gold standard, or any of The Chief Clerk read the amendment of Mr. BECK to the amendment them, are suffering from an injurious contraction of the currency which might made as in Committee of the Whole. ha,-e been obviated or mitigated by an increase in the supply of gold? Mr. ALLISON. Mr. President, I move, in line 4 of the amendment, Gold-standard countries also suffer-to an equal degree from the evils here­ 7 aboYe referred to, and all this would have been avoided if silver had been al­ if in order, to strike out '' thirty '' and insert ''sixty ' before '' clavs.'' lowed to fulfill, as formerly, the office of standard money. As gold alm1e has The PRESIDEN'.r p1·o tempore. The amendment just read is an now to replace the two metals as far as coinage is concerned, all countries fig·h t for it, and the total quantity existing is insufficient. Hence the struggle for amendment in the second degree, and the motion of the Senator from gold now taking place. As M. Bismarck says, the blanket is not wide enough! Iowa, therefore, at this time is not in order. VII. To what extent and in what way are prices affected by the quantity of Mr. ALLISON. After the pending amendment is adopted, will it the metal or metals used as standards of value? All economists agreed that price depends on the relation existing between then be in order to strike out aud insert? the mass of articles to be exchanged and the amount of credit or metallic means Tile PRESIDENT pro tempou. The bill w~s amended in Commit­ of exchange, due allowance being made for the rapidity of circulation of these tee of the Whole, and after the bill was reported to the Senate the meanl!. VIII. What is the relation, if any, between the supply or quantit.y of the pre­ question was on agreeing in the Senate to the amendment made as in cious metals and the fluctuations of credit? Committee of the Whole. The Senator from Kentucky [Mr. BECK] The amount of money does not determine the facility of credit. For instance, moved to amend the amendment by adding what .has just been read, credit is more general in England than in France, although England has cer­ tainly one-half less than France; hut taking into account the monetary situation which was an amendment in the second degree, and upon which the of a cotmtry, the influx or exports of gold act momentarily on the rate of in­ yeas and nays have been ordered. The question now is, Whether the terest, because in order to maintain sufficient cash in hand banks must raise Senate will agree to the amendment proposed by the Senator from their J'ates of discount when gold is being absorbed elsewhere. For example, we know that the Bank of England regulates tbe rate of discount by the influx Kentucky to the amendment made as in Committee of the Whole. or drainage of gold, but the interest on capital is fixed by the abundance or Mr: ALLISON. Then I appeal to the Senator from Kentucky, if scarcity of capital, not of money. my amendment is not in order, that he insert ''sixty" instead of lX. Has there been during the last fifteen years any important development is of the system of checks, bank credits, bills of exchange, or other means of econ­ '• thirty," in line 4 of his amendment. Thirty days a very brief omizing the use of the precious metals? time for the taking up of circulation which may be surrendered. 1\Ir. Robert Giffen is of opinion that during the last fifteen years there has been Mr. BECK. I do not see that that would make very much difter­ no great increase in the means of payment-checks, bank credits, and bank­ notes, and I think he is right. Theclearing-houseoperationshave certainly di­ ence one way or the other. minished. :Mr. ALLISON. I think it would relate very much to the conven­ X. Do you consider that an international agreement could be made for the ience ofthe officers who will have the administration of the law. free coinage of gold and silver as legal-tender money at a fixed rate? . No one can question the possibilit.y of an international agreement for the free Mr. SHERMAN. The amendment now proposed by the Senator coinage of gold and silver as legal-tender money at a fixed ratio. from Kentucky is in a form that is not amendable. I do not think that XI. Is it in the power of governments to maintain such ,a ratio if agreed upon, is exactly fair legislation. It seems to me that he ought to let the vote ana would the practice of the commercial wo1·ld follow the law? be ta.ken first on the amendment of the Senator fi·om Wisconsin [Mr. Governments would not impose the ratio they adopted, but the effect of their adoption of a certain ratio, Jet us say 15l to 1, would be automatic and perfectly SPOONER], let that be agreed to in the Senate, and then let the Senator natural, and consequently it would impose itself upon the commercial world. from Kentucky offer his proposition so that it will be atl}.endable. The If for one kilogram of :silver nine-t-enths fine I can obtain from the mints of reason-and I mention it in perfect good faith-is this: I should like to the Latin Union 200 francs· in standard coinage, and from the mints of all other states, England, Germany, and America, an equivalent amount, it is quit-e offer an amendment to carry out the idea I suggested in my remarks yes­ certain that I should not choose to sell it under this price. Silver would there­ terday; that is, to allow the bullion to be purchased in the mode proposed fore maintain itself at its usual value of 60!- or 60T per ounce, as during the by the Senator, but to allow that bullion to be placed in the Treasury seventy years when France alone had adopted bimetallism, without this coun­ try having once to attempt any interference as to its price or relative value. without coinage, and certificates issued to the amount of the market The self-acting result of the free coinage of the two metals is one of the least value thereof. I can not offer that amendment now as the proposition clearly understood sides of the problem. stands. The Senator from Kentucky yesterday in his speech said that Xll. What would be the effect of such an agreement, if carried out, upon (n) prices, and (b) the production of the precious metals? under the existing law the certific..1.tes can not issue upon bullion. I A treat.y establishing international bimetallism would produce no immediate knew that, but I am not at liberty to offer an amendment to secure that, results on prices, for there is no great stock of gold or silver to flow into the although I have an amendment prepared in five or six words that would mints; but it would stop their fall, and would insensibly be productive of a cer­ tain rise. As the price of silver would increase, its production would also increase enable me to present that question to the Senate. , alittl~ Mr. BECK. The amendment of the Senator fl"om Wisconsin, as it XIII. Do you consider an international agreement, for bimetallism possible on now stands, was o~ course offered fairly, but none of us here knew pre­ any other ratio than 15l to 1? cisely what it was. We had been advised, not by him, but by others, For the ratio between gold and silver it might1 perhaps, be well to adopt the American 16 to 1, but the French 15t has been m vigor so long that it seems that a joint resolution in that form would be offered by the Senator almost to impose itself. It is the basis of all contracts between states of the from Wisconsin, and I supposed at the time that it was a joint resolu­ Latin Union, and in Spain, Germany, and Holland, and all Eastern Europe. Besides, America would as readily adopt the 15-l- ratio as the 16. And if the tion or a concurrent resolution that he offered;_ and when it came in ratio were once established by international contract· it would impose itself. the form of an amendment to t:b.is bill we were quite taken by surprise, XIV. FaiUng an international bimetallic agreement, what measures could be at least I was. Therefore, I moved to amend it as I have done, and I adopted by the commercial nations of the world for giving increased stability to the relation between gold and silver? propose now, so far as I have any control over it, to ask the Senate to Failing an international bimetallic agreement, I know of no measure which \-ote upon the amendment I have offered jilst as it stands, with the ' could give stability to the price of silver. If it can not be freely coined it be­ thirty days, without modifying it; and then if that is adopted, all well. comes mere merchandise, subject like all other merchandise to varying at.u limitless changes in value. If not, Senators can take what adion they please. ' XV. It. is argued that, in the absence of bimetallism, the effect of any distmb- Mr. PLUMB. I should li)fe to inquire, suppose the amendment of 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SEN.L~TE. ·2693 the Senator from Kentucky were not pending, if the Senate should as I am assured by him that Mr. MANDERSON would vote the same concur in the amendment adopted in committee would that amend­ way, I record my vote "yea." ment then be amendable? I ask what the parliamentary condition 1\Ir. HEARST. I have been temporarily paired with the Senator would be as to the amendment if the amendment of the Senator from from Ohio [Mr. PAYNE]. If be were present, I should vote "yea." Kentucky was withdrawn and the Senate should agree to the amend­ Ur. WILSON, of Maryland. I am paired with the Sena,tor from ment adopted yesterday as in Committee of the Whole. Would that Rhode Island [.Mr. CHACE]. be amendable? The PRESIDENT zn·o tempore. Does the Chair understand the Sen­ The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair holds that the bill would ator from California to withdraw his vote? The Senator's vote is re-:- ' still be open to amendment in the Senate. corded. Does he desire it withdrawn? Mr. PLUMB. By amending the amendment? Mr. HEARST. Yes, sir. The PRESIDENT 11ro tempore. By perfecting further amendments Mr. McPHERSON. I desire to say that my colleague [Mr. BLOD­ to the bill. GETT] is pahcd with the Senator from Virginia [Mr. RIDDLEBERGER]. Mr. PLUMB. But the Chair will bear in mind that the bill consists My colleague if present, would vote "nay." of the amendment of the Senator from Wisconsin [Mr. SPoo ... ER]. The result was announced-yeas 38, nays 13; as follows: The PRESIDENT pro temp01·e. If the amendment is agreed to, it YEAS-33. is no longer an amendment; it is the bill. Allison, Cockrell, Ingalls, Stanford, Mr. HARRIS. Has not the ·bill been reported to the Senate ? My Bote, Coke, Jon·es of Arkansas, Stewart, impression is that it has been, and if so, it is an amendment not c~n­ Beck, C-olquitt, Jones of Nevada, Teller, Berry, Cullom, Mitchell, Turpie, curred in yet, but an amendment to which an amendment is pending. Blackburn, Daniel, Paddock, Vest, The PRESIDENT pro tempo'te. The inquiry of the Senator from Bowen, Davis, Palmer, Voorhees, Kansas was to another point. Brown, Fn.ulkner, l'lumb, Walthall, Butler, Gem·ge, Pugh, "Wilson of Iowa. l\1r. PLUMB. Now I inquire a littlefurtber, if I maybe permitted. Call, Gorman, Sabin, Suppose the amendment of the Senator from Kentucky to the amend­ Cameron, Hampton, Saulsbury, ment should be adopted, and then the amendment of the Senator from NAY8-13. Wisconsin should be concurred in as amended; would the bill then still Blair, Gray, McPhe1·son, Spooner. be open to amendment? Dawes, Hawley, Platt, The PRESIDENT pro tempore. It would. Farwell, Hiscock, Sawyer, Mr. .ALLISON By adding to it, but not by striking out. Frye, Hoar, Sherman, Mr. COCKRELL. .As I understand, if the amendment of the Sena­ ABSENT-25. Aldrich, Evarts, Morgan, Riddleberger, tor from Wisconsin is adopted you can not amend the text of that after­ Blodgett, Gibson, Morrill, Stockbridge, wards. You can add to it, but you can not change by any a-mendment Chace. Hale, Pasco, Vance, the text of that amendment. Chandler, Harris, Payne, Wilson of :r.Id. Dolph, Hearst, Quay, The PRESIDENT pt·o tempore. The Chair will decide all these q nes­ Edmunds, Kenna, Ransom, tions when they arise. Eustis, Manderson, Reagan, Mr. FRYE. Yon can add new sections. So,tbe amendment to the amendment was agreed to. Mr. HARRIS. Sections may be added to the bill after the amend­ The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The question recurs on the amend­ ment of the Senator from Wisconsin is concurred in in the Senate, but ment as amended. you can not amend that language, as I understand it. 1\fr. REAGAN. Is it in order to offer an amendment to the amend­ The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The roll-call will proceed. ment? If it is, I offer an amendment. Mr. BECK. What is the vote? The PRESIDENT pro tentp01·e. The proposed amendment will be Mr. CULLOM. On your amendment. read. The PRESIDENT pro tempare. The question recurs on the amend­ The CHIEF CLERK. It is proposed to amend the amendment by add­ mentproposed by the Senator from Kentucky [Mr. BEcK] to the amend­ ing as n. new section the following: ment made in Committee of the Whole upon the motion of the as And the Secretary of the Treasury is hereby authorized and directed to pur­ Senator from Wisconsin [1\Ir. SPOONER]. chase, and cancel the interestrbearing bonds of the United States with the $100,- The Secretary proceeded to call the roll. · 000,000 of gold now reserved in the Treasury for the redemption of the legal­ 1\Ir. PLATT (when the name of Mr. EDMUNDS was called). The tender notes of the United States. And that the following words be stricken out of section 3 of the act of Janu­ Senator from Vermont [Mr. EDMUNDS] is absent, and wished me to ary 14, 1875, entit-led "An act to provide for the resumption of specie payments," state that he was paired with the Senator from Texas [1\Ir. REAGAN]. to wit: "And on and after the 1st day of January, A. D. 1879, the Secretary of If present, the Senator from Vermont would vote against this a-mend­ the Treasury shall redeem in coin the UnitedStateslegal-tendernotes then out­ standing, on their presentation for redemption at the office of the assistant ment. treasurer of the U n itcd States, in the city of New York, in sums not exceeding Mr. FRYE (when Mr. HALE's name was called). My colleague ;)50." [M:.r. HALE] is absent with a committee of the Senate. He ordina­ And that the following words be stricken out of section 62 of the act of July is 12, 1882, entitled "An act to enable national banking associations to extend rily paired with the Senator from Kentucky [Mr. BECK], but he is on their corporate existence, and for other purposes," to wit: "Pmvided, That the this bill paired with the Senator from Louisana [Mr. GIBSON]. Secretary of the Treasury shall suspend the issue of such gold certificates when­ 1\fr. HARRIS (when his name was called). I am paired with the eYer the amount of gold coin and gold bullion in the Treasury reserved for the redemption of United States notes fa lis below 8100,000,000." Senator from Vermont [Mr. MoRRILL]. Being satisfied that if be And sa.jd provisions of the act of January I4, 1875, and the act of July 12,1882, were here he would vote against this amendment while I should vote be, and the same are hereby,repealed. for it, I am not at liberty to vote. I withhold my vote bec.:1.use of the 1\ir. FARWELL said: I desire to ask t-he offerer of the amendment, pair. . the Senator from Texas, whether it is the purpose of his amendment to Mr. MORGAN (when his name was called). I am paired with the suspend specie payments? 'rhat is the way I understand it. Senator from New York [Mr. EVARTS]. I would vote "yea" if he Mr. REAGAN. Mr. President, the House bill and the substitute were present. I do not know what his vote would be. for it which has been adopted by the Senate have for their object to 1\fr. PADDOCK (when his name was called). I am paired gen­ reduce the surplus or unused money in the Treasury by a-pplying it to erally with the Senator from Louisiana [J\1r. EUSTis], but under­ the payment of the interest-bearing public debt, thus relieving the standing that if he was here he would vote for this proposition, I vote country to that extent of debt and of the payment of interest on the "yea." bonds that may be redeemed. . Mr. PASCO (when his name was called). I am paired with the Mr. F .ARWELL. 1\Iay I ask the Senator to answer my que::tion, if Senator from Pennsylvania [Mr. QuAY]. he will. Mr. RANSOM (when his name was called}. I have a pair with the Mr. REAGAN. My remarks will answer the Senator's qne:::tion. Senator from Michigan [Mr. STOCKBRIDGE], which is left to be deter­ Mr. FARWELL. He can answer it in one word, ''yes'' or ''no.'' mined by the Senator from Illinois [Mr. CULLOM]. Mr. REAGAN. I prefer answering the question in my o.wn way, if Mr. CULLOM. I am not aware how the Senator from JI.Iichigan the Senator will allow me. The question in fact has no pertinency, as would vote. it seems to me, to the issue now presented. Mr. RANSOM. I should vote "yea," if at liberty to do so. Mr. President, if the object is as I have stated-and I suppose no one 1tfr. RE.AG.AN (when his name was called). I am paired with the will doubt that that is the object of the proposed legislation-let m~ Senator from Vermont [1\Ir. EDMUNDS]. If he were here I should call attention to the fact that we have in the Treasury, held from year vote "yea." to year simply to fill a place in the column of assets and in the column Mr. SABIN {when his name was called). I am paired with the Sen­ of liabilities of the reports of the Secretaries of the Treasury, $100,000,- ator from West Virginia [Mr. KE~NA]. Understanding that if he 000 of gold. It .bas r~mained there from year to year performing no were present be would vote for this amendment, I vote in the affirm­ other office than filling its place in the Treasury accounts, being held ative. for the ostensible purpose of redeeming the $346,000, 000 of outstanding The roll-call was concluded. legal-tender notes. 1\Ir. BLACKBURN. I am paired on all questions with the Senator By the act of 1878, passed by Congress over the veto of President from Nebraska [Mr. 1\f.ANDERSON], who is absent under the order·of Hayes, it was determined tbnt the Jaw which had been previously the Senate, but his colleague ·has vote.:l ''yea '' upon this q nestion; and passed requiring the redemption and cancellation of the legal-tender 2694 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. APRIL 4,

notes by the Secretary of the Treasury should be repealed and that I know very well that so far as the bondholders and the national those notes shou_ld thenceforward become, not a debt against the

-. 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. 2695

object is to reduce the sruplus revenue in the Treasury, if om object the Treasury, or otherwise, and the same, or an equivalent amount. is not-taken by other national banks within thirty days thereafter, the Secretary of the -is in doing this to extinguish as much as possible of the public debt, Treasury is hereby authorized and directed to purchase, at the market price if our object is to relieve the people from the payment of interest, then thereof, an eq ui valent amount in silver bullion in excess ef the minimum of two the most easy, direct, and least injurious way in which we can do it, in million dollars' worth per month for coinage purposes, and silver certificates shaU be issued to an amount equal to the market value of sucll, bullion, as provided in the my opinion, is by the adoption of the amendment which I have sub­ act passed February 28, 1S78, etc. mitted to t.he Senate. Mr. BECK. Mr. President, the bill as it now stands is' n. simple The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Does the Senn.tor from Ohio propose _proposition to allow the Treasury Department to use the surplus money that as an amendment to tb,.e amendment agreed to on motion of the in the Treasury to buy bonds so as to restore that surplus to circular Senator from Kentucky? tion and at the same time to take care that the present volume of 1\fr. SHERMAN. I do. currency is not contracted. The bill and the amendment provide that The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair holds that it can not be and nothing more. Now the Senator from Texas [Mr. REAGAN] pre- received. sents an amendment in which a great many propositions are involved, Mr. BECK. I was about to raise that point. and the Senator from Ohio [1\ir. SHEID1AN] has given notice that he The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amendment having been agreed will bring up a measrue that may involve weeks at least of debate be- to by the Senate can not be further changed in the present parliament· fore it is disposed of. · ary stage. Mr. SHERMAN. I hope the Senator will not fall into an error, be- I Mr. SHERMAN. I stated that; and I offered the amendment to cause, so far as I am concerned, I am indifferent about the resolution show t?~t we are now compelled to act on this grave matter upon a introduced by me, because the Senate having determined to go into propos1t10n d_rawn by the Senator fro~ Kentucky, no doubt after casual these financial measures on this bill, I will not press the resolution. conference With gentlem_en on both sides of the Chamber, which has not With the understanding that the bill should pass as it came from the yet been ca:efully.exammed bJ:"anycom~itteeofthis body; an amend­ other House, I was willin2: to postpone discussion for a week or so un- me~t that, m my Judgment, Will meet with great opposition among the til these questions were considered in the Senate. . busmess men of the country, and now I can not offer the amendment Mr. BECK. Very well. I only desire to say that the bill being in that I propose or any other b~use, forsooth, he offered his amendment a perfectly simple form, merely to give authority for the use of the sur- at su~h a stageoftheprocecdingas to be unamendable. I was perfectly plus money in the Treasury and to pro1'ide for any contraction by the conscwus o~that . . banks, I am requested by gentlemen all around me to shorten the mat- 1\fr. Pres~dent, I do not mtend to debate the merits of a proposition ter as much as possible by asking the Senator from Texas if he will not not before tne Senate, because I am not in the habit of doing that. allow this amendment of his to remain until the bill of the Senator '.rhe Senator from Texas [Mr. REAGAN] made n. statement awhile from Ohio comes up, as it will very soon, when n.ll these questions can ago. about the funding law providing for the issue of 4 percent. bonds, be discussed and examined, and not interfere with the progress now which has already been stamped out by the Senator from l\Iissouri sought to be made by this simple proposition. That it will be the third [Mr. CocKRELL]. That statement was entirely unfounded. The state­ measure to be considered, !suppose- to be taken up directly after two ment fix~t began with the -whisperings around in the Capitol. The others are disposed of. Very little harm can come fi·om the delay n.nd Senator from Iowa [.Mr. ALLrso~] and I then went and examined the the proposition of the Senator from Texas now may delay the pa~age original record, found the original bill, and found that the original of this bill for so long a time and perhaps defeat the measure altogether, proposition made in the H~use of Representatives was to issue 4 per that I think we had betlier get this mucb done. cen~. bonds payable after thrrty years, and so the proposition continued Mr. REAGAN. I ask the Senator from Kentucky if he thinks this until.the end; but, finally, one of the engrossing clerks, in enrolling amendment would be germane to the bill to which he refers? the bill from one ofthe reports ofthe committee of conference instead 1\Ir. B~CK. I have nota doubt of it. Itwould be germane beyond of leaving in :the words. ".redeemable a~ the plea~rue of th~ United all question. States after thuty years,'' mserted, by mistake no doubt- it could not 1\ir. HARRIS. Clearly so. have been otherwise, because there could be no motive for it-" for Mr. BECK. If I did not think so I would not make the suggestion. thirty years," instead of ''after thirty years;" which would simply Mr. REAGAN. As gentlemen, feeling as I do on the subject of this make them redeemable during the thirty years. amendment, think it is better to pass the bill as now amended, without The idea of providing for a bond redeemable in the first thirty years putting anything else upon it, and not becallse it is in accordance with and never redeemable afterwards, would not then or now receive the my own judgment, but deferring to the judgment of the Senator from sanction of any ~~n in the United Sbc'ttes of America.. It was simply Kentucky and other gentlemen who agree with me, I will consent to an absurd proposition. It was found that the original bill as reported the withdrawal of the amendment for the present with a view to offer- by ~Emeral Schenck in the Honse of Representatives, he being then the ing it when the bill referred to comes up. cha1rman of the Committee on Ways and 1\feans, provided for the pay- The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amendment is withdrawn. ment of the bonds afte! thirty years at the pleasure of the United States 1\-fr. SHERMAN. Mr. President, I have steadily voted against any and so it went through until a clerk in making up the enrolled bill fro~ amendment to this bill except the one proposed by the Senator from a faulty copy of one of the reports of the committee of conferencb made Wisconsin [Mr. SPOONER], which, in the opinion of the Senate, accom- this mistake, ancl out of this all this excitement grows. The House of plished in a better form the object proposed by the Honse of Represent- Representatives, when it was called to their attention, properly exam­ atives. I am opposed to and voted against the amendment of the Sen- ined into it, and, as I am informed-:! have not seen the report-the ator from Kentucky [Mr. BECK] because, even from his own standpoint, Committee on the Judiciary of the Honse unanimously declared that it is faulty-faulty in this, that it provides, not directly for additional it was a mistake in the enrolling clerk, whjch was immediately corrected silver certificates, but only for an increase of the silver-dollar coinage before the bill was signed. These are the facts. beyond the amount which any Secretary of the Treasury of either party But the Senator from Texas ~aid another thing in which there is h_as thoug~t proper to ~ue monthly. ~t is an extraneous question en- some truth, th!lt now there is a good d~al of distress in this country. tirely, havmg no connectwn whatever with the purchase of bonds or the I do not deny 1t. There was no such distress before this Admi.ni.stra.­ applicationofthesurplusmoneyin the Treasruy. The1·efore, although tion came into power, and I can trace many of these evils to the fact technically and in parliamentary law germane, it is not germane in the that we have an Administration in power that has not executed the law proper sense of the term to the bill now pending. according to its plain letter and intent and according to the unanimous Besides, we have to take the amendment without the change of a construction of the Senate of the United States. word. It is not open to amendment. Whether so designed by the Let us see how that was. W11en this Administration cameintopower S.enator fro~ ~entucky or D:ot, it is offered in a.form ~here, and at a yre had $346,000,000 of greenback circulation in unclillllenged credit time when, 1t LS not susceptible of amendment. For msta.nce, I SUO'- m all the markets of the world. We had over $300 000 000 of national­ gested (and I believe it met with the general concurrence of tbe Se~- bank notes absolutely secured beyond peradven~re, ~ud the system ate so far as I could see) that instead of coining more silver dollars, it was going along smoothly and tranquilly. We had silver certificates would be better to place the bullion pruchased under the operation of based upon the silver dollars that had been issued. We had crold cer­ the Senator's amendment in the Treasruy of the United States and is- tifi.cates amountingtoonehundr«land nicety-oddmilliondoll:rs. We sue silver certificates based upon the market value of that bullion. had a vast amount of crurency of different kinds and all perfectly well That was the proposition that I intended to submit and for which I secured. ' would have voted; but as the bill now stands I can not under the How is it now? The Democratic House of Representatives refused rules of the Senate ~ffer t~at ame~dment. to make ~e change in _the banking law proposed hvo or three years ago In order to test this I will submit my amendment. by the Finance ComDllttee-reported by the Senator from New Jersey The PRESIDENT p1·o tempore. The proposed amendment will be [Mr.l\fcPHERSO~] and passed by the Senate. If that change had been read. agreed to by the House so that an amount of notes could have been is ~ The CHIEF CLERK. It is proposed to strike out the words "which sued by national banks to the full face value of the bonds deposited shall be coined and used" and insert "and silver certificates shall be none of the contraction complained of would have occurred. ' issued to an amount equal to the market value of such bullion;" so as You sometimes blame the banks. You have driven the banks to to read: this position. Yon require them to file bonds· of the United States That whenever the circulation, or any portion thereof, of any national bank of the value of $130 in order to get $90 of circulation. They could not in liquidation shall be surrendered by the deposit of United States notes in not afford to do it. The bond at that rate yielded but 2~ per cent. -

2696 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. APR1L 4,

interest. Therefore bank after bank was compelled by the stress of Colorado [l\Ir. TELLER] referred to it-which shows that we havenow circumstanees to withdraw their circulation. You called in the bonds in t:he United States in general circulation, in the Treaspry, and in the that were held by the banks, and compelled them to go into the national banks, first $346,681,016 of greenbacks; we have still notes of market and buy new bonds at this high premium in order to maintain national banks amounting to $163,624,000; we have in gold coin $574- their circulation, or else go out of existence; and they did surrender 927,873, and in silver coin of various kinds, subsidiary and full legal­ their circulation, and what has been the extent of it? Since this tender, $352,868,343; we have ofgoid and silver coin $927,796,000; of Administration C.'tme into power the bank currency has thus been re­ siher certificates $205,619,000, and goldcertificates$123,660,000; and duced $160,000,000. Here it is in the hst official statement before this, added to the paper money in circulation, shows an aggregate of rue. Here is the statement of the Comptroller of the Currency. On money in t.be United Sta.tes of more than $1,800,000,000, or more than page 74 of the report of the Comptroller it is stated that the amount the entire national debt. This table shows that we had of metallic of bank circulation in 1883-'84 was $316,020,326, and in 1887 it was money and bullion in the United States July 1, 1887, $1,007,513,901, $169,215,067, and since that time the reduction has been going on. and paper or representative money $909,612,285. I will insert this On the 1st of November last this reduction had reached the figures I table iu my remarks. have statecl-$147,000,0QO-and since then it has been going on mo1·e and more. For1n and location of the moneys of the Un ited States anrl the bttllion await· This wns the policy of the Democratic party. It was a partisan · ing "coinage in the mints July 1, 1887. movement,and they refused to consider a proposition in the House of [Exclusive of minor coin and minor-coinage m etal.] Representatives which would have saved the reduction of bank circu­ lation. In oth er That is not all. When the banks did commence to reduce their cir­ banks and culation the only way they could do it was by depositing in the United general cir­ Total. States Treasury greenbacks-UnitedRtates notes. They did that to culation. the extent of $102,000,000, and those $102,000,000 are now tied up there by reason of this faulty action of the House of Representatives. :llETALLIC. The law expressly required that those greenbacks should be held to I redeem the outstanding bank circulation when presented. The result Gold bullion, ...... $85, 512, 2i0 $85,512,270 Silver b ullion ...... 4, 091,414 4, 091,414 of this policy on the part of the Democratic party is to make a double Sih·er bullion (melted contraction; first, by tying up the greenbacks in the Treasury under trade·dolla rs ...... 6,364, 236 the operations of law, and, second, by reducing the bank circulation. Gold coin ...... 1~ : ~: ~rg · t39s'.'ia7:4~9· ·sz.;s·:wi'; 7'ii.. 569, 008, 065 S il,·cr dollars ...... 211, 483, 970 6, 343, 2!.3 49, 162, 934 266, 990, 117 ?lb·. President, whose fault is that? Could we in the Senate have Subsidiary silver coin ... . 26,977,493 2, 813,138 45, 757,168 75, 547,799 prevented it? Did we not try to do so? If the measure that had been passed by the Senate, moved by the Senator from New Jersey [Mr. Total ...... 526,798,298 107, 293,790 373, 421,813 1, 007, 513, 901 McPHERSON]: bad become a law by the concurrence of the House, R E PRESID<:I'ATIVE. there would have been no considerable contraction of bank circulation. The whole of this contraction has been brought about by the policy L-egal·tender not-es...... !?..8, 783,796 74,477,342 243, 4J 9, 878 346,681,016 Old demand notes ...... 57,130 57,130 and by the movements of the Democratic party. If there is any dis­ Certificates of deposit..... 310,000 7, 810,000 960,000 9, 080,()(}() tress in this country it is caused by this contraction of the currency. Gold cet·tificates...... 30, 261,380 54, 274,940 36,950,497 121,486, 817 If we want to relieve the people of this country, Congress can do it very Silver cer tificates...... 3, 425,133 3, 535,479 138, 582, 538 145, 543, 150 National-b.l.nk notes...... 197,046 22,962,737 256, 058, 005 27!), 217, 788 easily by continuing the present efficient banking system and giving Fractional paper cur- the hanks an opportunity to live. If we would now remove there­ rency...... 2, 366 564, 266 6, 380,332 • 6, 946, 9Gi strictions imposed on the banks growing out of the advance of the Total...... 62, 979,721 163, 624, 764 682, 4.08, 380 bonds, they wou1d maintain the circulation and increase it from time 909, 012, 865 to time as the business of the country should demand; and yet, be­ *The statement of the amounts in national banks is of date August 1. · cause they can not and will not make this onerous deposit, without t Includes $24,044,000 clearing-house gold certificates. nny use to anybody, and will not buy bonds at 130 in order to obtain t Includes $8,770,000 held for the redemption of certificates of deposit for legal­ 90 per cent. of their fa{le in circulat,ing notes, you blame the national tender notes under act June 8, 1872. banks. The national banks are owned and p:overned by men of all It has sometimes been said, and the question is asked by gentlemen parties. There are many Democrats in that system, and they have around me, where did this gold come from? It is because the balance been compelled to do what all the others have done, to retire their cir­ of trade has been in our favor for the last ten or twelve years. Ever culation, not because they desired to do so, not because they wanted since the resumption of specie payments gold has come into our coun­ to contract the currency, but because you compelled them to do so. try by the millions of dollars. It is easily shown by the offici:\1 docu­ The Senator from Te_x:as [Mr. REAGAN] talks about the bondholders ments that this gold bas come as the result of our sound industrial and and the rich men of this country wishing to contract the currency. I .financial system and having the balance of trade in our favor. Up to say he is entirely mistaken about that. There is no such desire. There that time we had irredeemable paper money, such as the Senator from is no such interest in this country. There is nobody responsible for this Texas would like to 1·estore, and we had no such fountain of gold flow­ condition of affairs except the Democratic party. I am almost tired of ing upon us; but ever since tl1at time gold has come here by the bun- . listening here to these thanes against bondholders, banks, etc., when, dreds of millions, and now stays here, and adds to the volu;ne of our if there has been a contraction of the currency at all, it has been caused currency. l\fost of the great transactions of this country are based on by the opposition of the Democratic party to all the great financial gold bullion and coin. measures of the past. Mr. President, it seems to me that the better way would be to post­ :Mr. REAGAN rose. pone all questions relating to our currency and all measures in regard Mr. SHERUAN. Now do not interrupt me. to it for a little time, until we can have some opportunity for reflec­ Mr. REAGAN. Allow me to ask a question. tion and study. The Senator from Colorado [Mr. TELLER] truly says Mr. SHERMAN. I will hear the Senator. no man can talk on these subjects or know about them without the Mr. REAGAN. If the currency be contracted does not that neces­ most careful study. No wise man will pass his opinion on a proposi­ sarily increase the value of the bonds that are to be redeemed by in­ tion involving $100,000,000 upon a mere cursory examination, a hur­ creasing the difficulty of paying the money? ried preparation made by a single Senator, without it being examined Mr. SHERMAN. I do not think it does. On the contrary, the bonds by experienced business men. are intrinsically valuable, because they are known to be perfectly good. Let us look a little further into the pending proposition. The na­ They secure a prompt return of 4 per cent., and a 4 per cent. annuity tional-banking system unquestionably by this amendment, and by the issued by the Government is equivalent in market value to a premium hostile legislation of the Democratic party is destined to its overthrow. of near 30 per cent. The banks are the purchasers of the bonds and I do not deny that. Who has done it? The Democratic party. If not the sellers unless called in by tb\ Government. that is a feather in their cap, let it be so. But the national-banking The Senator talks about contraction. The only contraction is caused system has proved to be the best that ever was adopted in the history by the refusal of proper legislation to meet the advancing value of the of mankind. It is copied by other nations, and the principles upon bonds. Other forms of currency are increasing. There is more cur­ which it was founded, though it was established in the midst of civil rency now in circulation in the United States than there ever has been war, have grown stronger and stronger, and its whole life has been a before, notwithstanding the contracting of bank currency. The im­ vast benefit to the people of this conn try. It has furnished a local cil'­ portation of gold coin and bullion causes a vast accumulation of coin, culation in almost every town in the United States, and this circula­ which added to gold certificates, silver certificates, United States notes, tion has fed the fountains of business at home. It is the means by and the dimini.Ehed volume of bank circulation is now greater in the which money has been made active, by which crops have been moved, aggregate than ever before. by which trade and industries have been carried on, and I stand here He1·e, again, I may refer to the Comptroller's report, in which the to defend that system, although it is now insidiously attempted to be amount of the actual cireulation is given, not, it is true, entirely in overthrown by these various propositions. Its benefits have been un­ greenbacks, but in gold and silver cain. I have a table before me in told to the people of the United States. It should have been treated the reporb of the Director of the Mint-and I think the Senator from fairly even by its opponents; yet the effort has been made to undermine 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. 2697 it ever since the Democrauc party came ·into power. I do not say ibis country to basing silver certificates upon silver bullion at its market of the executive head of the Administration, but of the representatives value, and the certificates thus based, each representing its worth of who come mainly from the Southern States who seek to overthrow the silver; would be circulated freely without any change of the ratio, for system. . I would not desire to. see the ratio changed until it is changed by the It is said that the national-banking system costs us something. Not one consensus of the commercial nations of the world; and yet this proposi­ dollar. The .11ational-banking system has cost the people of the United tion we are to act on without any examination ! Let me go a little States not a.single dollar. The banks buy the bonds of the United further. States and they give them increased value by making a large market We have seen a proposition here to issue more greenbacks, and it for them. These bonds are deposite<.l in the Treasury. They are paid was adopted by the Senate, and the next morning the Senate evidently for by the banks. The Government is at no expense whatever in the reconsidered that decision quietly and were disposed to recede. Who issuing of the bank-notes. Here a circulation has been furnished ab­ now would, in the light of the discussi{ln we have bad, open up again solutely indisputable in credit, which travels all the world over, which the question of the constitutional power of the United States to issue is taken everywhere, and which is equal to gold or silver coin. It has paper money except in time of war? Who would d~ire to have the been furnished free withoutasingleshade ot monopoly about it. Every question about the greenbacks opened, and to run the risk at certain man had the righttoenterintothesystem, and thepeopledidenterinto times of excitement of a large issue of paper .money which would fall it in every part of the country. It has furnished a circulation so ab­ below the standard of gold and silver coin? The good sense of the solutely safe that no living man has ever lost a dollar by it, and this Senate sleeping over night induced the withdrawal of tha.t proposition, has been without cost to the Government. Even the expense of re­ and probably the good sense of the Senator from Kansas also induced demption, the expense of printing, the expense of engraving, and every him to withdraw it. It was done. One of the propositions disap­ expense connected with the national-banking system has been paid by peared. the banks themselves. Then another proposition was offered by my friend from Nevada, to You propose to substitute a different policy, to buy silver bullion, buy substantially-because we were to purchase, though he said it was not at its mint value, not at the old standard value, but at its market not a purchase-to buy substantially all the silver bullion that might value, and 1mder the operation of this system the price of silver has be offered at a price that might be put up in fifteen days by half a gone steadily down, notwith tanding the prophecies made in relation dozen wealthy men, or put:down. That was withdrawn, and what is to it. You now propose to buy silv-er bullion and coin it, that is, to left is the more simple and less harmless, but still dangerous, proposi­ undergo an expense, in the first place, of 1! per cent. to coin this extra tion of the Senator from Kentucky. But is it wise to consider any of silver to take the place of the national-bauk notes. · Then you issue these propositions until we consider them in their length anreadth? the coined dollars, you transport them, you do everything to put them I say that the United States notes can only be maintained at par in in circulation, all at the expense of the people of the United States, coin by the very reserve of money that the Senator from Texas would while the bank-notes cost you nothing, for the expenses were all paid indiscriminately dissipate and expend. We had an irredeemable money by the hanks themselves. Yet we are called on· to substitute one for and it continued irredeemable long after the war was over, long after the the other on this hurried movement. I say it is unwise, Senators. I credit of the United States was restored, long after bonds had risen clear can see that in the dim future, eight or ten or twelve or fifteen years above par. In 1876 gold was quoted at a premium of about 15 per hence, the national-banking system must disappear, because there is no cent. Why did not our paper go up to par? Simply because there security upon which national-bank notes can be based except the Gov­ was no money behind it. The promise was outstanding, but there was ernment bonds, and Government bonds will disappear probably before no preparation to redeem it; but the very moment these preparations fifteen years from this time. commenced the greenbacks went up steadily and steadily about 1 per They will disappear, and then these banks, from the necessity of the cent. a month until they reached par in gold. · case, in due time will become mere banks of discount and deposit, and What did that? Was it done by the mere idle mandate of there­ then the Governmentof the United States will be called on to provide sumption act? It was done by the accumulation of this very $100,- some other form of paper money, whether in the shape of silver certifi­ 000,000 of gold in the Treasury. Just exactly as that gold accumu-: cates, or coin certificates, or gold certificates, ~hether in the shape of lated in the Treasury so those notes approached to par, and when the gold, or silver coin, or greenbacks. The question would then properly time was reached so that even a doubting Thomas or any man, banker, come before us for decision, and so now we might make preparation for brokerrf>r what not, could see that the Government of the United States that event. had made preparations to fulfill their promise, just that moment the Sometimes it is said, and Senators near me seem to think, thatihave gold was not demanded. Dissipate that gold, scatter it among the na­ been opposed to silver. I never have been. If the policy that I have tions of the world, drive it from your shores, drive it to be hoarded in always advocated had been adopted and acted upon silver never would banks or in the strong boxes of the m.oneyed men, and leave this great have depreciated in market value as it has, so far as the Government amount of$346, 000,000 of greenbacks unprotected by this large reserve, of the United States, at least, was concerned; silver would have had an and what then would happen? A single Black Friday, a panic in upward tendency. Its tendency by being demonetized in the great stocks, some sudden event not now foreseen-because such events can European states undoubtedly forced it downward; but the maintenance not be foreseen-would make a gap between this paper promise and of silver as near as possible to the standard of gold on the present ratio the gold or silver coin. is a wise effort of public policy. If we can not bring it up to that Why, Mr. President, it seems to me idle to debate this question; it standard in market value we can approach it, and then by conventions has been debated sQ long and so often. We have gone through one with European nations we may probably establish anew ratio, and put period of depression, the panic of 1873. We have gone through one gold and silver side by side as they have been in the past. But when time of stringency to bring our notes up to the standard of coin. Why in the markets they are rated at different values no power in the world, disturb that? I do not see why. Therefore these various propositions not even the United States, can bring them together. You may, by the made from time to time by gentlemen upon these most difficult and line of policy you have been pursuing, reach finally the single silver intricate questions of finance grate harshly upon me, I confess. AJ3 a basis, and place all your transactions on the same foundation as China conservative man I desire to see just as much money in circulation in aud Japan and Mexico and South America, and thus detach yourselves thia country as can be used by the people of the country, and I would from the great commercial nations of the world. rather have it too much than too little; but what I want is that it shall I desire to see these two metals put side by side with each other, of be good money, good in every market of the world, whether it maybe equal relative value upon a fixed ratio, but am opposed ~o this policy the paper promises or gold or silver coin; that they shall be only so is­ which has tended from the beginning to depreciate wer bullion. sued as to be maintained at par with each other in every market. What is the effect of this bill now? You increase the silver dollars The silver dollar that has been coined, intrinsically now worth only in the Treasury and you issue your certificates upon them. You can 72 cents, cost the Government on an average about 86 cents on the not circulate those silver dollars, because two or three administrations dollar. I do not care anything about the loss, because that is small, have tried their utmost to get the dollars into full and active circula­ comparatively. We can base our currency on these silver dollars, but tion, but the instincts and habits of our people are against either gold the silver dollars can not be forced into circulation side by side with or silver coin in actual circulation. They should, however, be made gold without making a gap between the two. the basis of circulation, and there can be no objection whatever to gold 1\fr. STEW.A.RT. Does the Senator say our silver dollar is only certificates issued upon gold bullion deposited in the Treasury at its worth 72 cents? • market value. Its market value being fixed by the commercial nat.ions Mr. SHERMAN. The bullion in it is only worth that. is stable, 25.8 grains being the equivalent of the dollar according to Mr. TELLER. The Government pays them out at p:u. our 1'l>w, and similar amounts being equivalent to the standard of all Mr. SHERMAN. The Government pays them out at par and were­ European countries now. ceive them at par, and it is that fact which maintains them. It is be­ -What should we have done with silver? We should have done as cause the fiat of the Government is behind them, but if that fiat was France did, as France does, and as every Latin nation does. We withdrawn and we satisfy the business men of this country that they should not have coined any more of it than was necessary for the must come down to the silver standard they will readily adapt them­ ordinary transactions of business so that the people would absorb selves to that basis easily and without loss, but the people of the coun­ the coin, and on the balance of the silver bullion we should have is­ try generally will not and can not. 'i'hey will not foresee it, and I trust sued silver certificates from the beginning, and we can do it now. There the time will never come-and I believe in that the Senator from Colo­ is no objection in the minds of the great body of financial men of this rado will agree with me-when the Government of the United States • 2698 -CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE, - . APRIL 4,

will not maintain all these silver dollars and the silver certificates compared with other countries ours is altogether the most prosperous based upon them up to the standard of gold. of any in the world. It can compare with any other in public credit, Mr. TELLER. That is what I desire. in public faith, in public honor, in our currency, in our finances, in our ]fr. SHERMAN. The Senator desires it. I am glad to hear him large accruing revenue, and especially in the protective system which say so, and I am glad to co-operate with him; and to the extent that lies at the bottom of the great prosperity our people have enjoyed for silver bullion orsilvermoneycan be used, I do not care whether a hun­ the last twenty years. dred millions or a thousand millions are issued. So .long as it can be With these remarks I am willing to take the vote on this bill. maintained by the power of the Government at par with gold coin I 111r. ALLISON. Mr. President., I bad hoped that we should get do not care how much is issued; but I fear that in some idle moment through with this bill without any lengthy debate upon questions re­ some hap-hazard movement may even without their aid and against lating to the currency, and I have declined thus far to express any their consent, proba.blyJ derange the relative· value of the two metals, views on that subject. I agree in the view of the Senator from Ohio and make a gap between silver and gold, and then we shall see the that it would haTe been better to have passed this bill without amend­ result? ment., and I desired that that should be done. Indeed, I would have Mr. JONES, of Nevada. Suppose gold should continue to go up in preferred not to pass the bill, but it seemed to be necessary because the purchasing power as it has for the last sixteen years, and become 20 per President of the United States had expressed some doubts of his power cent. more valuable than it is now, does the Senator want to make to buy bonds under the existing law. I know of nobody else who property correspondingly less valuable? doubts that power. Mr. SIIER.MAN. I do not think that is a question that is at all in­ After the adoption of the amendment of the Senator from Wiscon­ volved in this matter. Is the Senator, on the other hand, willing to have sin in the nature of a substitute, which I think is an improvement silver alone as the standard of valne in this country? upon the bill as proposed by the Finance Committee or as it came to :Mr. JONES, of Nevada. I should want some adequate amount of us from the House of Representatives, the Senator from Kentucky sa.w silver. I donotthinkthere is near enough of it yet. We want more proper to add to it his provision respecting silver. I voted for that silver. proposition. I voted for it;- having made such careful examination as Ur. SHERMAN. The Senator from Nevada, who is a good business I could during the intervening period between the time it was offered man, shrinks from the possibility of a gap between.these two metals, and the time the vote was taken, and I would not rise now to sp&'tk and so do I. upon that amendment or to say one word respecting it except for a re­ Mr. TELLER. Nobody proposes a gap. Have we proposed it? mark which I think inadvertently dropped from the Senator from Ohio, Have w~mggested it? that the amendment 'in its effect and purpose will alarm the business Mr. SHERMAN. You do not propose a gap, ·but it may come. interests of the country. 1\Ir. Pre ident, I have said enough on this subject. I am willing to If I believed that there was any just cans~ of alarm in this amend­ do all that can be done to maintain silver, provided the Senators will ment I would stand as firmly as the Senator from Ohio against it. But stand by me in maintaining these two metals at par with each other although this amendment looks to an additional coinage of silver as until by the common consent of the nations of the world who control provided under the act of 1878, there is nothing in it that has a tend­ the money markets there may be a ratio more nearly approaching sta­ ency which should in the slightest degree alarm the people of this bility than the present one, for I shall be glad indeed to see silver ad­ country as respects silver coinage. vanceabove our ratio and 1·each the French standard, if it can be brought Why, Mr. President, this Administration, hostile as I believe it to about. If any line of public :policy can be devised that tends to ad­ be to silver, hostile as it has shown itself to be in its public utterances, vance onr silver to the French standard of 15! to 1 and make it con­ whether in letters or in Presidential messages, during the past fis.cal form to the standard of the Latin nations, that policy I will as cheer­ year, as shown by its own reports, has bought more than $2,000,000 fully embrace and as cheerfully adopt as any other. Until then I pre­ worth of silver beyond what the law required it to buy. This admin­ fer to go along meeting such difficulties as arise and postponing those istration of the Treasury Department coined during the last year $34,- that we can not solve until a more happy period. 000,000 of silver dollars when it was not necessary for it to have coined These remarks have been drawn out by the remarks made by the more than about $30,000,000. Senator from Kansas [l\1r. PLUMB J and by the Senator from Texas [.l\Ir. Now, it is necessary for us to see the resultand effect of the amend­ REAGAN]. The Senator from Kansas held up as a bill of fearful pro­ ment proposed by the Senator from Kentucky. That amendment when portions, of dangerous tendencies, one called the Aldrich bill. Every first shown me looked somewhat alarming, because I had some fear that member of the Committee on Finance knows very well that I did not under it there would be perhaps an excessive coinage of silver; but I take any particular interest in that bill, although I was willing to have hold in my hand a statement sent to me this afternoon, since this de­ it reported. He quoted that as a bill which I was advocating, and the bate commenced, in response to a telegram from me, respecting the principle of the bill I do advocate. H contains two proyisions only. diminution of national-bank currency for thelasteightmonths. I did One is that the Secretary of the Treasury be authorized-not directed­ no~ ask for the state of the national-bank currency during the period to so compound with the holders of the bonds as to reduce the rate of prior to the 1st of July, 1887, because during that period the banks interest to 2! per cent. and to pay the difference in money, based on were generally surrendering the 3 per cent. bonds and there was an ab­ the idea of saving to the United States interest at 3 per cent. com­ normal condition of surrender. pounded. I have this statement in my hand, which discloses that the neti re­ Everybody can see that such a transaction would be beneficial to the duction of the national-bank notes during the last eight months bas only Go>ernment. Every one can see that at times when the demand for been $6,560,000, inround numbers; to be exactly accurate, $6,560,295. money is great and the bond market somewhat weak, the bondholders That refers to notes of national bankshavingoutstandingbondsagainst might be willing to exchange for the difference in ready money a bond them. Of course I am not now speaking of national-bank notes that bearing 4 per cent. interest for a bond bearing 2! per cent. By the were surrendered against the greenbacks of which the Senator from payment of a reasonable sum of money the Government would save Ohio spoke, about $102,000,000, as he said, although there should more than one-half of the interest accruing before the bond becomes properly be made a. great reduction from that amount. due. That transaction every business man can see would be a profit­ It so happens that by the sixth section of the act of 1882, which r· able one. have before me, the banks may reorganize, and three years after that Then it provides further that the reduced bond at 2! per cent. in­ reorganization they are bound either to take up their old circulation . terest may be deposited with the Treasury, and upon that basis bank­ or deposit in the Treasury of the United States greenback notes in order ing circulation may issue. There can be no doubt about-the wisdom to take the p1a~of that circulation; and when they take up their old of that if the banking system is to endure until the debt is paid, but to circulation or deJ>osit greenbacks they are entitled at once to take new issue notes to the face value of this bond would not be a wise provision. circulation. Soofthe$103,000,000, whiclt is in the Treasury as charged I intended when the bill came up to reduce the issue of notes, as it is against national-bank circulation, $47,565,606 is bank circulation sur­ now,· to 90 per cent., and then it would be periectly safe, bec.'tuse all rendered by means of lawfnl money under the sixth section of the act the present bonds will mature in a few years and will be paid off. I of 1882; and under that act national banks have taken actual circula­ can not now tell whether any provision can be then made whereby to tion in place of it. continue in existence the national banks; but until then they are the So then of this large amount which appears in the debt statement of safest depositories of the power of issuing paper money that I know of, the Treasury as respects national-bank circulation there is an apparent unle ~the Government chooses to embark again in the policy of issu- statement which is, in effect, false; and I hope the Senator from Illi­ ing greenbacks. · nois [Mr. FARWELL], who made such a clearandadmirableexhibit, '.rake these bank-notes and the United States notes as now limited by as reported in the RECORD the other· day, of the existing condition of law together with certificates based on the market Talue of gold and the Treasury, will take note of that situation of the national-bank notes silver bullion, and you haTe a currency which you may compare with in the next statement which he makes. that of any nation of the world. It can not be taken away from you. For the past eight months there has only been areductionof$6,560,- It will not be exported, and it may even endure the current of a balance 000 of national-bank notes. I venture the prediction, without of course of trade against you. We must not forget that our exceptional pros­ having any accurate data, that during the next eight months there will perity and our exoeptiona.l condition now grow out of the prosperity of not be as great an amount of national-bank notes surrendered as was om· people in all branches of industry. Although there may be and surrenderedduringthelasteight months, so that the ultimate effect- doubtless are low prices, and here and ther.e distress, yet as a. country :M:r. PLATT. Then, if I understand the Senator, there has been no • 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-SENATE. ' .2699

absolute contraction of the currency during the last eight months, but I want to say that there is no just or p1·oper reason why anybody should an increase of the currency by reason of the silver coinage, and he thinks be alarmed at the proposition of the Senator from Kentucky as I view that during the next eight months there will also be an increase of the it and as !understand it; and on that account mainly !desired to make cunency without any action here. this explanation in regard to it. :Mr. ALLISON. I have no doubt of that, and I can state further Mr. PLUMB. I wish to ask the Senator a question. He spoke about that during the very last month there was an increase of circulation by the Treasury having coined $34,000,00Q of silvel' last year, as he says reason of the issue of silver certificates of more than $7,000,000; and it about $4,000,000 in excess of the amount required by law. may as well be stated here and now whilst we are tall.'ing of expansion Mr. .ALLISON. Two million dollars' worth in exce,ss. and contraction of the currency, that by the ordinary Treasury opera­ Mr. PLilliB. I a.qk him if he does not overlook the law providing tions of our Government these expansions and contractions go on at the for the redemption and recoinage of the trade-dollar? rate of from ten to twenty million dollars a month without exciting Mr. ALLISON. No, sir; I a.ni not only not overlooking it, but I the slightest perturbation in business circles, and therefore it is that have examined it with care. The trade-dollars, $6,690,000 of them, this is the mildest and gentlest and most harmless amendment as re­ are stowed away in the vaults of the Treasury now, and they are not spects the expansion of circulation that could possibly be devised. involved or included at all in the calculation which I have made. Now, I want to say another word in connection with this reduction Mr. PLUUB. Then, as I understanJi it, the Treasury Department of circulation. This reduction of bank circulation in the last six or have not recoined the trade-dollar, as required by law. Then, instead eight months would scarcely have amounted to anything but for the of there having been more coinage than the minimum required by law, fact that the Secretary of the Treasury in September last commenced there has been less, taking the two classes of coins together. I ask if depositing surplus money with national banks. He allowed national that is not·true? banks to receive deposits upon 4 per cent. bonds, which were worth in Mr. ALLISON. I am not defending the Administration. the market 125, at the rate of $1.10 for each dollar of the face of the Mr. PLUMB. I want to ascertain what the fact is. bonds; and more than $5,000,000 of this surrender of national-bank Mr. ALLISON. I will say to the Senator from Kansas that I have ckculation was surrendered by national banks in order that they might before me the report of the Director of the Mint, which shows the turn their bonds right over under this order of the Secretary of the amount of bullion purchased. Of'course that could not include trade­ Treasury, and instead of receiving 90 per cent. circulation receive 110 dollars. per cent. So the operation of the financial minister of tlris Government M:r. PLUMB. ·r do not know whether it could or not. during the last four or :five months was to make national banks surren­ Mr. ALLISON. They were put in without purchase. der their circulation and put the very bonds that were held as security Mr. PLUM:B. No; the trade-dollars were purchased by the exchange for that circulation up as security for the deposit of public money, of ordinary silver dollars. whereby they received 110 instead of 90 per cent. M:r. ALLISON. They were redeemed at par. I will say to the Sen­ If that process had not gone on for the last six or eight months, the ator from Kansas that the report of the Director of the 1\Iint shows the situation of the Treasury would be that there would have been prac­ purchase of $26, 000,000 worth of bullion. tically no surrender and no decrease of national-bank circulation dur­ :Mr. PLUMB. Is there a separate report showing the ope.ration.S of ing that time. All this money was deposited without interest, but, of the law of February 19, 1887, providing for the redemption of the trade­ course, a national bank that had 4 per cent. bonds worth 125 in the dol1ar so as to make it certain that there has beennomixingofthe two market, receiving only 90 per cent. circulation for the face value, could accounts in the Treasury Department? surrender those bonds to the Secretary of the Treasury and turn them Mr. ALLISON. There has been no mixing, because the trade-dollars over at once to its deposit account and receive lLlO in currency, thus have not been coined, with the exception of about a million and a half. making 20 per cent. by the operation. :Mr. McPHERSON. Will the Senator from Iowa. plea.se answer the I am glad to say that that process has been discontinued, as I under­ question whether the recoinage of the trade-dollar was left to the dis­ stand, so that it goes on no longer. That being so, and the banks now cretion of the Secretary of the Treasury under the law or whether it being held down to their 90 pe:x:cent., will undoubtedly not ·continue was an absolute requirement? to make these exchanges for their own advantage. Mr. ALLISON. · I have not the law before me. I will refer Senators Ur. McPHERSON. Yet the Senator says thatineightlongmonths to the statutes, because I do not propose to. discuss the question of the only about $6,000,000have been surrendered. Therefore, ofwhatdoes trade-dollar. he complain? Mr. McPHERSON. It was left to the discretion of the Secretary of Mr. ALLISON. Mr. President, I am merely stating facts. I will the Treasury. leave the Senators on the other side of the Chamber to complain if they 1\Ir. ALLISON. Very well; it was left to the discretion of the Sec­ dislike that method of:financiering as respects the national banks. It retary. I have not the statute before me. . is not for me to complain or 'to sustain at this moment. I am merely 1\Ir. BUTLER. Will the Senator from Iowa answer me a question, stating the facts that but for this Treasury process there would have and that question is, Will he yield to a motion to adjourn? been no diminution practically of national-bank circulation during the Mr. ALLISON. I will only take a moment more. last six months. Mr. PLUMB. I wish to ask the Senator from Iowa one further There is another provision, which is a limitation clearly upon this question. He speaks about the retirement of national-bank circula­ amendment of the Senator from Kentucky. By the law of 1882 ibis tion during the past eight months. I ask him if he does n·ot think a not p0ssible to surrender more than $3,000,000 per month for all pur­ much larger retirement will be made, and if the Treasury will not be poses of national-bank circulation, unless the banks are forced into liq­ needing, for some time to come, national-bank notes to come in and uidation by the appointment of a receiver, and it is not probable that thereby contract the currency still forther? more than one-third of that amount will be from national banks that Ur. .ALLISON. I stated distinctly that this did not include the are surrendering a. part of their circulation. national-bank notes now offered to banks, to greenbacks, or money in Mr. STEWART. Let me ask the Senator if they have bought any the Treasury. bonds during the past six months? Would it not have changed the 1\Ir. PLUUB. Can the Senator state the amount of contraction which condition if $100,000,000 had been used to buy bonds? is liable to occur during a short period of time by reason of the presen­ Mr. ALLISON. The Secretary of the Treasury in less than two tation of these bank-notes for redemption? months, during the quarter composed of September, October, and No­ Mr. ALLISON. Icannot, butlthinkitcannotexceed$18,000,000. vember, not only :filled the -sinking fund of last year, but bought a I did not rise to discuss that question. I only wanted t<> say that there sufficient amount of bonds to cover the entire sinking fnnd of the year was no justifiable ground for any business man to be alarmed at the l8o8. vote of the Senate to-day. The Senator from Connecticut [Ur. PLATT] 1\Ir. STEWART. That was :five months ago. shows me that the trade-dollars have been melted and they are ready 1\Ir. .ALLISON. It was within the period of time referred to. I am for coinage, but not yet coined. showing that with all these extraordinary circumstances of the situa­ Mr. President, I wish to say one word more .in reply to the sugges­ tion with respect to the bonds, without regard to the fact that the Sec­ tions which were made by the Senator from Ohio. The Senator from retary of the Treasury held out to the banks an inducement---=- Ohio stated that the silver act wa.s a mistake from the beginning; that Mr. STEWART. How was it in the preceding eight months when we have failed in the proper treatment of that question; and that we he was buying bonds? should have followed the example of France and other Latin nations Mr. ALLISON. I am not speah.'ing of that. Of course, during the as respects silver. I do not, at this moment, intend to enter upon an preceding :fiscal year there was a surrender of national-bank circula­ argument of that question. It is a sufficient answer for tbe present to tion to the extent of $7;5, 000,000. say that in 1878 we had no silver and France had certainly '800, 000,000 Mr. STEWART. Would not the purchase of bonds hase a similar of it, two and a halftimes as muchsilver coin of:five-franc pieces, hav­ effect? ing 3 per cent. less of bullion in them than our silver dollars of to-day. l\1 r , .ALLISON. I think not, for the reason that no matter what the It may have been an unwise thing for us to coin silver, but I think, purchase of the bonds may be, the banks can only surrender $3,000,000 under the circumstances and situation that surrounded us, the legisla­ a month, so that the maximum under t'his bill that they can not pos­ tion of 1878 has been fully and thoroughly justified. sibly exceed is $36,000,000 of national-bank circulation in a year for M:r. PLUMB. We could not have resumed without it. all purposes, and it is not possible that more than one-half of that sum Jl.1r • .ALLISON. I thank the Senator for saying that, because I be­ will be for the surrender of circulation which is ~ntemplated in the lieve it would not have been possible to have maintained resumption amendment proposed by the Senator from Kentucky, Now, therefore, without it. Therefore, whatever the defects in that legislation, I am 2700 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. APRIL 4,

here ready to defend it on all occasions as necessary and proper legis­ Mr. BERRY. There is some misunderstanding as to the effect of the lation under our then circumstances and conditions. agreement on the :first amendment in regard to compelling the com· I do hot pretend, nor does anybody pretend, that the bullion value pany to provide a passage for wagons, vehicles of all kinds, and foot of silver to-day -in our silver dollar, measured in gold, is equal to 25.8 passenger.:;. I wish to be informed as to the effect of the agreement ot grains of gold. Every man who has a grain of information upon this ..the conferees. subject knows that when we coined silver by limitation of statute and Mr. HARRIS. I will answer the inquh-y of the Senator from Ar­ by the purchase of bullion on account of the Government, that moment kansas. The bill as reported from the Committee on Commerce to the we made silver and gold part company, if they had not parted before, Senate left i~ optional wit.b the bridge-builders to provide for a wagon because we left our mints still open t.o the free and unlimited coinage and foot-passenger way upon the bridge. The amendmentoftheSen­ of gold. ator from Arkansas [Mr. BERRY] made it imperative upon the bridge· What is our silver coin to-day? It is nothing more nor less than a builders to construct a wagon and foot way. The House conferees re­ paper money having a local circulation in oar country based upon sil­ ceded from their disagreement to the Senate amendment and agreed ver coin. That is what it is, and that is what our gold coin is to a to the same with an amendment which amounts to exactly this: The certain extent. It is a paper money having an absolute metal :flavor bill as agreed upon by the conferees makes it the duty of the bridge­ certainly equal to 75 or 73 per. cent. of its value in gold. Just bow builders to construct a wagon way, and leaves it to the option of the long that will continue without detriment to what is called the gold builders to construct a foot-passenger way in addition thereto or not as standard I am not here now to argue, although I have a belief respect­ they may choose ; but the wagon-way they are compelled to construct. ing it. Mr. BERRY. I will state that that explanation is satisfactory. But I wish to say to all the business men who may be alarmed lest The PRESIDENT pTo tempore. The question is on concurring in the we shall coin a million or two million more of silver this year than we report. ought, that itwill be many years under the operation of existing laws The report was concurred in. as respects coinage before there will be any danger of an outflow of l\Ir. VOORHEES. I renew my motion that the Senate adjourn. gold. I do not say what will happen if we shall so adjust our internal The motion was agreed to; and (at 5 o'clock and14 minutes p. m.) affairs by a change as respects our revenue lawa as will affect the bal­ the Senate adjourned tmtil to-morrow, Thursday, April 5, 1888, at 12 ance of trade and make it against us, because when that time comes, o'clock m. when we become a debtor nation instead of a creditor nation, as we are to-day, and when we are not able to settle those b:;~.-lancea with bonds and securities or other arrangements, but are compelled to send me­ HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. tallic money to other countries, whether it be gold or silver, it will go there as bullion and be credited to us as bullion. 'VEDNESD.A.Y, April 4, 1888. Whether our gold will not then go I am not prepared to say, but it The House met at 12 o'clock m. Prayer by the Chaplain, Rev. W. is true that every single year from the passage of the act of 1878 to this H. MILBURN, D. D. moment we have imported more gold than we have exported, and in ad­ The Journal of yesterday's proceedings was read and approved. dition to that we have added the entire products of our mines, amount­ ing on the average to $30,000,000 per annum. PRINTING AND BINDING, POST-OFFICE DEPARTMENT. So, whilst I would be as ready as any Senator to find just cause of The SPEAKER laid before the House a letter from the Secretary of alarm as respects the situation of our currency, I do not believe even the Treasury, transmitting a copy of a letter from the Postmaster-Gen­ with the amendment of the Senator from Kentucky that there is any eral submitting certain revised estimates for the postal service for print­ reasonable danger that the additional coinage of silver which will re­ ing and binding for the :fiscal year ending June 30, 1889; which was re­ sult therefrom will amount to a single one-thousandth part of a cent ferred to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads, and ordered per annum as respects the great measures of values 'Y:hicb now ad­ to be printed. just all our affairs, whether it be our cash transactions or our credit 1\IAIL-ROUTE J,ETTINGS. affairs. The SPEAKER also laid before the House a letter from the Post­ I would not have said this much upon these questions but for tbe master-General, transmitting supplemental repolt of offers received fact that I feared from a remark which inadvertently fell from the lips under miscellaneous advertisementa for mail-routes issued January 24, of the ·senator from Ohio, that I might be called to account for the vote 1887; which was referredtothe Committeeon thePost-OfficeandPost­ I have gi ven1 as a vote tending to disturb the business interests of the Roads. country. AGREEMENT WITH CERTAIN INDIAN TRIDES. Mr. PLUMB. I think we can now have a vote on the bill without The SPEAKER also laid before the House the amendments of the any further delay, and have the matter finally disposed of. I hope Senate to the bill (H. R. 1956) to ratify and confirm an agreement with the Senate will be so minded. the Gros Ventre, Piegan, Blood, Blackfeet, and River Crow Indians, in The PRESIDENT pro te-mpore. The question recurs on agreeing to Montana. the amendment made to the bill as in Committee of the Whole as Mr. PEEL. Inasmuch as the Senate asks a conference with the amended on the motion of the Senator from Kentucky. House on this bill, I ask unanimous consent that the House non-concur Mr. STEW.A.RT. I ask for the yeas and nays. in the amendments of the Senate and agree to the conference asked for. :Mr. McPHERSON. Is the bill open to amendment? There was no objection, and it was so ordered. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. It is in order to move to amend it. Mr. McPHERSON. At the end of the :first section I move to insert SURVIVORS OF UNITED STATES STEAMER TALLAPOOSA. the following proviso: The SPEAKER laid before the House the bill (S. 869) for the relief Provided, That nothing in this act contained shall authorize the Secretary of of the sufferers from the wreck of the United States steamer Tallapoosa; the Treasury to coin more than ~,OOO,OOOworth per month, as fixed as the limit which was read a first and second time. in the act of February 28, 1878. Mr. GALLINGER. At the close of the last session of Congress a Mr. STEWART. I move to lay the amendment on the table. bill had passed the Senate, and was then at the head of the Calendar The PRESIDENT pro temp01·e. The Senator from Nevada moves to of the House, identical in substance with this. 'l'his bill bas now passed lay the amendment of the Senator from New Jersey on the table. the Senate, and bas been likewise unanimously reported by the Com­ Mr. VOORHEES. I move that the Senate do now adjourn. mittee on Claims of the House, and is on the Calendar. I therefore :Mr. SAWYER. I wish to submit the report of a committee of con­ ask unanimous consent to take up for present consideration the Senate ference. bill. l\Ir. VOORHEES. I withdraw my motion for that purpose. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. I must object, with a view to reaching the direct-tax bill. ·MISSISSIPPI RIVER BRIDGE AT MEMPHIS. The bill was referred to the Committee on Claims. 1\fr. SAWYER submitted the following report: REPRINT OF TARIFF BILL AND REPORT. The committee of conference on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses on the amendments of the Senate to the bill (H. R. 2927) to authorize the construe­ Mr. McMILLIN. Mr. Speaker, on yesterday morning I asked unani­ . tion of a bridge across the Mississippi River at l\1emphis, Tenn., having met, mous consent to have printed additional copies of the tariff bill, em­ after full and free conference have agreed to recommend and do recommend to bracing also the repOl't of the committee. their respective Houses as follows: That the House recede from its disagreement.to the amendment of the Senate Mr. REED. Let that also include the views of the minority. numbered 1, and agree to the same with an amendment as follows: Page 1, Mr. McMILLIN. Also the views of the minority. The RECORD line 11, after the word "and," and before the word" for," insert the words" at fails to show the request for printing the report. the option of the corporation by which it may be built;" and the Senate agree to the same. • The SPEAKER. That was the order directed to be made at the That the House recede f1·om its disagreement to the amendments of the Sen- time, and the Journal shows that the report was ordered to be printed ate numbered 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14, and agree to the same. PHILETUS SAWYER,. as well as the bill. This order will also include the views of tbe mi­ G. G. VEST, nority of the committee. ISHAM G. HARRIS, Managers on the part of the Senate. REPORT OF DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE ON FORESTRY. CHARLES F. CRISP. Mr. HATCH. Mr. Speaker, a resolution was reported back from the .JAMES PHELAN, M.D. LAGAN, Committee on the.Public Lands some time ago, asking the Commis­ Managers on the part of the House. sioner of Agriculture for certain information, which was prepared and 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 2701. addressed to the Speaker of the House in response to that resolution DISALLOWED POSTMASTERS' CLAIMS, KENTUCKY. and submitted to the House, but by mi'ltake was referred to the ~om­ Mr. TAULBEE. I rise to a question of privilege. mittee on Agriculture. It should either be 1·eferred to the Comnnttee The SPEAKER. The gentleman will. state it. on the Public Lands or to the Committee on Printing. Mr. TAULBEE. I send to the Clerk's desk the CoNGRESSIONAL 1\fr. McRAE. I suggest that it had better be ordered to be printed RECORD containing a resolution of inquiry which I introduced on the for the use of the Committee on the Public Lands, or else that it should 19th of March and which was referred to the Committee on the Post-. go direct to the Committee on Printing, as we have no use for it in that Office and Posi-Roads, in regard to the disallowance of pending claims of postmasters in Kentucky. sh~e~ SPEAKER. Without objection, it will be referred to the Com­ The Clerk read as follows: mittee on Printing. l\Ir. TAULBEE submitted the following resolution; which was read, and re­ There being no objection, it was so ordered. ferred to the Committee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads : Resolv ed That the Postmaster-General· be requested to transmit to the House Mr. ANDERSON, of Kansas. To what does the report relate? of Repres~ntatives a tabulated statement of the disallowed p ostmasters' !!I~~ Mr. HATCH. To the subject of forestry. presented from the State of Kentucky t l ~der the act ot ~arch 3,1~, exhtbltmg all such claims as by an actual computatiOn of comm1sswns I?rescr1b~d by the LOCKS .AND DAMS ON THE CUMBERLAND RIVER. act of1854 and entered upon claim jackets, show that the pa1d salanes are 10 Ur. BLANCHARD. 1\Ir. Speaker, I am directed by the Committee per cent. ~r more less than such commissions. Such tabulated staLement to on Rivers and Harbors to report back the joint resolution (H. R~. 81) show in each case : First, the name of the post-office; second, t~e name of t~e applicant; third, the period of service covered by ~h~ computatiOn of commiS­ to authorize the purchase of lands necessary for the constructiOn of sions· fourth the amount of the computed commlSswns; fifth, the amount of locks and dams on the Cumberland River, with the recommendation paid ~alary f~r the same term Of service; sixth, the actual amount of commis· that the House disagree to the amendments of the Senate and agree to sions in excess of the paid salary. the conference asked by the Senate thereon. Mr. TAULBEE. If the Committee on the Post-Office and Post­ The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Louisiana asks unanimous Roads could indicate any time within a reasonable period in the future consent to non-concur in the amendments of the Senate and agree to that we could have assurance there would be a report on this resolu­ the conference. Without objection, this order will be made. tion I have no desire to press the matter now or to occupy the time of There· was no objection, and it was so ordered.­ the House in discussion. LEAVE OF ABSENCE. Mr~ DOCKERY. The chairman of the committee is now absent in By unanimous consent, leave of absence was granted to Mr. OUTH­ the committee-room, that committee being engaged in the preparation wAITE, for three days, on account of important business. of the Pos~Office appropriation bill. Personally I do not know any­ thing about the matter which the gentleman from Kentucky has called ENROLLED BILLS .AND JOINT RESOLUTION SIGNED. to the attention of the House, but I know that neither the Post-Office Mr. KENNEDY, from the C

' .. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. I am willin2: to a2:ree to almost any time J.Ir. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I object. if it is understood that that will end the discusSion. Otherwise I must Mr. OATES. The first part of the proposition, J\Ir. Speaker, I am insjst on my motion. perfectly willing to agree to, but--- 1t!r. OATES. I am satisfied that three hours is as much as all the Mr. REED. That is, the part you are in favor of you are willing to gentlemen who want to speak on this side will seek to consume. If agree to, but the other part you are not. That is not business. that time is allowed I think that will be the end of general debate. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio (Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR] Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. Then may I ask unanimous consent that moves that the House now resolve itself into Committee of the Whole at the end of three hours the previous question shall be ordered on the bill? for the consideration of the special order, and pending that he moves The SPEAKER. The bill is in the Committee of the Whole House that general debate be closed in one hour, and upon that motion he on the state of the Union. The Chair undeTStands the gentleman from demands the previous question. The question is first on ordering the Alabama [Mr. OATES] to say that three hours will be satisfactory to previous question. the gentlemen who desire to spea.k in opposition, and that general de­ The question was taken, and tho Speaker declared that the ayes bate may then be closed. But the gentleman from Ohio will under­ seemed to have it. stand-that unless there be an agreement to the contrary the bill will Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. Division! then be open to debate under the five-minute rnle. The House divided; and there were-ayes 77, noes 28. :Mr. REED. It would be competent to agree that a-vote shall betaken Mr. OATES. No quorum. at 4 o'clock in the House. It is the desire on this side to allow ample Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. I call for the yeas and nays. opportunity for discussion, ifafterthatwe can have a vote upon the bill. The yeas and nays were ordered.

Mr. OATES. I feel authorized to say that the length of time indi­ The question was taken; and there were-yeas 169, nays 281 not ·cated will be tup.y satisfactory as regards the general debate, but I am voting 127; as follows: not authorized to go further than that. YEAS-169. Ur. REED. I ask unanimous consentthatthe previous question be Allen, Mass. Cutcheon, Jackson, Post, Allen, Mich. Dalzell, Johnston, Ind. Pugsley, considered as- ordered at 4 o'clock, and that the vote be then taken Anderson, Kans. Darlington, Kean, Randall, upon the bill. Atkinson, Davis, Kelley, Reed, Mr. OATES. I could not consent to that, because that would cut off Baker,N. Y. Dibble, Kennedy, Rice, Baker, ill. Dingley, Kerr, Romeis, amendments. Bayne, Dockery, Ketcham, Rowell, M:r. REED. WillS o'clock suit the gentleman? That will give an Belden, Dorsey, La Follette, Russell, Conn. hour and a half for amendments. . Belmont, Dunham. La-idlaw, Russell, Mass. Biggs, Elliott-, Laird, Ryan, ~Ir. OATES. Thatmaybesufficient, butidonotknowwhat amend­ Boothman, Ermentrout, Latham, Sawyer, ments may be offered. Bound, Farquhar, Law'ler, Sriott, :M:r. REED. It is well to be perfectly frank, and we all know what Boutelle, Finley, Lee, Seymour, Bowden, Fitch, Lehlbach, Simmons, we desire to do. There is no objection on the part of the friends of Bowen, Flood, Lind, Stahlnecket·, this bill to any discussion which can be deemed reasonable on the part Brewer, Ford, Lyman, Steele, of those who are opposed to it, if at the end of thattime we can come Brower, Fuller, Mahoney, Stephenson, Browne,T.H.B.,Va..Funston, Maish, Stewart, Vt. to a vote. Of course we are limited to to-day so far as the present as­ Browne, Ind. Gallinger, :Mansur, Struble, signment is concerned, and if after that time there is no intention of Brown, Ohio Gear, 1\:lason, Symes, nsing any obstructive measures, then we can come to an agreement; Brown,J.R.,Va. Gest, Matson, Taulbee, Brumm, Glover, McAdoo, Taylor, E. B., Ohlo but if there is an intention to use obstructive measures, those who are Bryce, Greenman, McComas, Thomas, Ky. in favor of the bill will be quite likely to consider the debate which is Buchanan, Grosvenor, McCormick, Thomas, Wis. asked for as in the nature of occupying just so much time. That being Bunnell, Grout, McKenna, Tra{)ey, Burrows, Guenther, l\lcKinley, '£ownshend, understood-of course we all understand it-what we desire is to have Butterworth, Hall, McKinney, Turner, Ka.ns. an agreement which will cover the point wherein we are opposed. We Campbell, F., N.Y. Hare, ~:1illiken, Turner, Ga. on our part desire to give an opportunity for discussion to any extent Campbell, Ohio Ha-rmer, Montgomery, Wade, Campbell,T.J.,N.Y.Haugen, Morrill, Walker, which gentlemen may deem satisfactory within reasonable limits, but Cannon, Heard, ~:1orrow, Warner, we desire also the passage of the bill, and we do not wish to have it Caruth, Henderson, Iowa. Morse, Weber, obstructed by dilatory motions or maneuvers. Now, the gentlemen Caswell, Henderson, Ill. Nelson, West, Cheadle, Hermann, Nichols, White, Ind. on the other side say that they are satisfied with three hours, and as Chipman, Hires, Nutting, White, N.Y. I understand the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR] he is Clark, Hitt, O'Donnell, Whiting, Mass. entire! willing that they shall have all the time to themselves except a Cogswell, Holmes, O'Ferrall, Wickham, v Collins, Hopkins, ill. Osborne, Wise, few moments. Tbat being the case, will the other side now agree that Compton, Hopkins, Va. Parker, Yoder, the vote shall be taken at, say, 5 o'clock upon the bill and amendments? Conger, Houk, Patton, Yost. :Ur OATES. Mr. Speaker, I have been diligent to ascertain the Cothran, Hovey, Perry, Crouse, Hudd, Pidcock, wishes of the gentlemen who agree with me in opposition to this bill, Culberson, Hunter, Plumb, and I can state that if three hours are allowed to this side for general N.AXB-28. debate nothing more will be asked as to general debate; but further Abbott, Glass, Laffoon, Peel, than that I am unable to state. All that I ask for is that the bill may Anderson-1 Iowa. Hatch. McCreary, Rowland, take the usual course. It may be undeTStood now that general debate Blanchara, Henderson, N.C. 1\Ic&e, Springer, shall cease at the time indicated and that then there will be an oppor­ Bynum, Holman, Moore, Stewart, Tex. Cummings, Hutton, . l\:1organ, Stone, Ky. tunity to offer amendments, but I can not undertake to say:when a Dunn, Johnston, N.C. Neal, Stone, Mo. vote shall be had. Gay, Kilgore, Norwood, Whitthorne. lt'lr. R"EED. I think we understand each other, and we can very NOT VOTING-127. easUy t-est the question. I ask the Speaker to put my request for unan­ Adams, Davenport, Lynch, Seney, imous consent that the Committee of the Whole be discharged from Allen, Miss. Davidson, Ala. Macdonald, Shaw, the further consideration of this bill and that the previous question be Anderson, Miss. Davidson, Fla.. Maffett, Sherman, considered as ordered, and the vote taken on the passage of the bill at Anderson, Dl. De Lano, Martin, Shively, Arnold, Dougherty, MeClammy, Smit-h, 5 o'clock. Bacon, Enloe, ~IcCullogh, Snyder, Mr. DIBBLE. I wonld suggest to the gentleman from Maine that Bankhead, Felton, ~Ic:Millin, Sowden, the previous question should be ordered on the bill and amendments. Barnes, Fisher, 1\!cShune, Spinola., Barry, Foran, Jl.:1errim.an, Spooner, Mr. REED. On the bill and amendments, of course. Bingham. Forney, JI.Iill s, Stewart, Ga. Mr. McRAE. Mr. Speaker, that includes, of course, all amendments Bland, French, Mot11U., Stockdale, tbat may be offered when we come to offer amendments. Bliss, Gaines, Newton, Tarsney Blount, Gib on, Oates, Ta.ylor, J. D., Ohio The SPEAKER. The Chair supposes that it would include all Breckinridge, Ark. Goff, O'Neall;- Ind. Thomas, Ill. amendments pending at the time the Committee of the Wbole is dis­ B1·eckinridge, Ky. Granger, O'Neill, Pa. Thompson, Ohio Buckalew, Grim.es, O'Neill, Mo. Thompson, Cal. charged. Burnes. Hayden. Outhwaite, Tillman, Mr. REED. Yes. The proposition allows three hours for debate on Burnett, Hayes, Owen, Vance, the ~rt of the opponents of the bill, it allows an hour for amendment, Butler, Hemphill, Pay on, Vandever, and it takes the vote on :whatever is pending at the expiration of the Candkr, Herbert, . Penington, Washington, Carltou, Hiestand, Perkins, Wea>er, time. Catchings, Hogg, Peters, Wheeler, The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Maine [Mr. REED] asks unan­ Clar d ~-. Hooker, Phelan, Whltin6, Jl.fich. imous consent that general debate be closed at the expiration of three Clements, Hopkins, N.Y. .Phelp , Wilber, Cobb, Howard, Rayner, Wilkins, hours after the House goes into Committee of the Whole on the state of Cockran, Jones, Richardson, Wilkinson, the Union; that at 5 o'clock the Committee of the Whole be discharged Cooper, Lagan, Robertson, Williams. from the further consideration of the bill and report the &-:tme back to Cowles, Landes, Rockwell, Wilson, !IIinn. Cox, Lane, Rogers, Wilson,W. Va.. the Housewithallpending amendments, including amendments which Crain, Lanham, Rusk, Woodburn, may be offered; and that the previous question be considered as ordered Crisp, Lodge, Sayers, Yardley. upon the adoption of the amendments and the passage of the bill. Is Dargan, Long, Scull, there obiection? · So the previous question was ordered. 1888. CONGRESSIONAL REOORD-HOUSE.- 2703

Mr. O'NEALL, of Indiana.. I desire to withdraw my vote. I voted Butler, Hayden, Moore, Sherman, Candler, Hemphill, Morgan, Shively, under a misal)prehension, as I am paired with the gentleman from Carlton, Henderson, Ill. Morse, s-mith, l\Ii'3Sissi ppi [ 1\Ir. ALLEN]. Catchings, Herbert, Nelson, Snyder, Mr. WHITE, ofNewYork. I ask unanimous consentthattheread- Clardy, Hiestand, Newton, Sowden, Clements, Hooker, Norwood, Spinola, ing of the names be dispensed with. Cobb, Howard, Oates, Spooner, :Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I object. Cockran, Jones, O'Neall, Ind. Springer, The SPEAKER. The Clerk will announce the pairs. Compton, Kilgore, O'Neill, Pa. Stewart, Ga.. . Cooper, Laffoon, O'Neill, Mo. Stockdale, The following-named membels were announced as paired on all po- Cowles, La Follette, Outhwaite, Stone,Mo. litical questions until further notice: Crain, Lagan, Payson, Tarsney, Mr. RICHARDSON with Mr. GALLINGER. Crisp, Laird, Penington, Taulbee, Dargan, Landes, Perkins, Taylor, J.D., Ohio Mr. WILKINS with Mr. DAVENPORT. Davenport, Lane, Peters, Thomas, Ill. MI". DARGAN with Mr. LODGE. Davidson, Ala. Lanham, Phelan, Thompson, Ohio Mr. MERRIMAN with Mr. YARDLEY. Davidson, Fla. Lee, Phelps, Thompson, Cal. Dockery, Lodge, Rayner, Tillman, Mr. OUTHWAITE with Mr. COOPER. Dougherty, Long, Reed, Townshend, Mr. O'NEILL, of Missouri, with Mr. RoCKWELL. Enloe, Maffett, Richardson, Turner, Ga. Mr. COWLES with Mr. THOMPSON, of Ohio. Ermentrout, 1\faish, Robertson, Vance, Fisher, l'rfartin, Rockwell, Washington, :Mr. SPINOLA with Mr. THOMAS, of illinois. Forney, McAdoo, Rog-er!', Weaver, - Mr. BLAND with 1\fr. HIESTAND. Gaines, 1\fcClammy, Russell, Conn. Whiting, :Mich. Mr. SENEY with Mr. PHELPS. Gay, 1\:IcOullogh, Russell, Mass. Whitthorne, Gibson, McMillin, Rusk, Wickham, Mr. DAVIDSON, of .Alabama, with Mr. CONGER. Glass, McRae, Sayers, 'Vilkins, Mr. BUR:t\TETT with Mr. SHER~fAN. Goff, McShane, Scott, Wilson, ltliun. Mr. JONES with Jltir. GoFF. Granger, Merriman, Scull, Wilson, W.Va. Grimes, Mills, Seney, Woodburn, :M:r. CUMMINGS with Mr. MoFFITT. Hare, Tlfoffitt, Shaw, Yardley, The following-named members were announced as paired for this qay: - So the motion to reconsider was laid on the table. Mr. MILLS with Mr. ADAMS. The following additional pairs were announced: Mr. Mr. COCKRAN with Mr. SCULL. M:r. RusK with GAINES, on all political questions, for this day. Mr. CLARDY with Mr. PERKINS. Mr. ERllrENTROUT with Mr. RussELL, of Connecticut, on this vote. :M:r. FISHER with Mr. PETERS. Mr. TOWNSHEND with Mr. '\¥'HITTHORNE, on this vote. Mr. GRANGER with .Mr. PAYSON. The result of the vote was announced as above stated. The SPEAKER. The question is now on the motion of the gentle­ Mr. McCLAl\f~IY with Mr. JOSEPH D. TAYLOR. .. Mr. BLANCIIARD with Mr. HENDERSON, of Illinois, on all political man from Ohio [Ur. EzRA B. TAYLOR] to limit general debate in Com­ n..-ittee of the Whole on the direct-tax bill one hour. questions; also on the direct-tax bill. If present, M;. HENDERSON to • would vote for the bHl, Mr. BLANCHARD against it. Mr. OATES. Pending that motion, I move that the Honse do now Mr. ROGERS with Mr. THOMPSON, of California, on this bill. adjourn; and on that motion I ask for the yeas and nays. Mr. CRISP,with Mr. HAYDEN, on this bill. The yeas and nays were ordered, 42 voting in favor thereof. The result of the vote was announced as above stated. The question was taken; and there were-yeas 15, nays 165, not vot­ ing · 1~4; as follows: Mr. TURNER, of Georgia. I move toreconsiderthevotelasttaken. YEAS-15. Mr. EZRA B. T.A YLOR. I move to lay that motion on the table. Allen,Miss. ~'risp, Herbert, Stockdale, Mr. TURNER, of Georgia. On the latter motion I demand the yeas Anderson, Iowa Forney, Hooker, Washington, and nays. Breckinridge, Ark. Grimes, Lanham, Wheeler. The yeas and nays were ordered, 40 voting in favor thereof. <.;rain, Hare, Sayers, The question was taken; and it was decided in the affirmative-yeas NAYS-165. A llcn, Mich. De Lano, Kelley, Reed, 164, nays 16, not voting 144; as follows: Amlerson, 1\fiss. Dibble. Kennedy, Rice, Anderson, ilL Dingley, KelT, Rome is, YEA~164. Anderson, Kans. Dockery, Ketcham, Rowell, Allen, Mass. Culberson, Honk, Peel, Atkinson, ~lliott, La Follette, Rowland, .Allen, Mich. Cutcheon, Hovey, Perry, Baker, N.Y. . Ermentrout, Laidlaw, Russell, Ma,ss. Anderson, Kans. Dalzell, Hudd, Pidcock, Baker, ill. Farquhar, Laird, Sawyer, Atkinson, Darlington, Hunter, Plumb, Bayne, Felton, Landes, Shaw, Baker, N.Y. Davis, Hutton, Post, Belden, Finley, . Latham, Shively, Baker, Ill. DeLano, Jackson, Pugsley, Bliss, Fitch, Lee, Simmons, Bayne, Dibble, Johnston,Ind. Ran

Hayden, McComas, Perry, Spooner, Carlton, Hare, McShane, Sherman, Hayep, :McCullogh, Peters, Springer, Catchings, Haugen, 1\Ierriman, Smith, Hemphill, McMillin, Phelan, Stahlnecker, Clardy, Hayden, MiJls, Snyder, Hermann, McShane, Phelps, Stephenson, Clements, Hayes, Moffitt, Spinola, Hiestand, Merriman, Pidcock, Stewart, Tex. Cobb, Herbert. Moore, Spooner, Hilt 1\fills Rayner, Stewart, Ga. Cockran, Hiestand, 1\Iorgan, Stewart, Ga. Houk, l\Ioffitt, Richardson, Stone, Mo. Compton, Hires, Morse, Stewart, Vt. Howard, Montgomeey, Robertson, Tarsney, Conger, Hooker, Norwood, Stone, Mo. Hutton, :1\foore, Rockwell, Taylor, J. D., Ohio Cowles, Hutt-on, Oates, Tarsney, Jones, Morgan, Rogers, Thomas, ill. Crisp, Jones, O'Neall, Ind. Taulbee, Kilgore, .Morrill, Russell, Conn, Thompson, Ohio Dargan, Kelley, O'Neill, Pa. Taylor, J.D., Ohio Laftoon, Morse, Rusk Thompson, Cal. Davenport, Ketcham, O'Neill, Mo. Thomas, llL. Lagan, Norwood, Rynn: Tillman, Davidson, Ala.. Kilgore, Outhwaite, Thomp on, Ohio Lane, Oates, Scott., Turnen, Ga. Davidson, Fla. Lagan, Owen, '£hompson, Cal. Lawler, O'Neall, Ind. Scull, White,N. Y. Dockery, Landes, Payson, Tillman, Lodge, O'Neill,Pa. Seney, Whiting, Mich. Dougherty, L ane, Penington, Townshend, Long, O'Neill, l\Io. Seymour, Wilkins, Dunn, Lanham. Perkins, Turner, Ga. l\lafret.t, Outhwaite, Sherman, Wilkinson, E nloe, Lind, Peters, Vance, l\:Iaish, Payson, Smith, Wilson, Minn. Fisher, Lodge, Phelan, Weaver, l\Iansur, Peel, Snyder, Wilson, W. Va. Fitch, Long, Phelps, "White, Ind. 1\IcAdoo, Penington, Sowden, Woodburn, Foran, Maffett, Rayner, Whiting, Mich.. l\IcCiammy, Perkins, Spinola., Yardley. Forney, l\faish, Richardson, Whitthorne, French, l\IansUJ•, Robertson, Wilkins, So the motion to adjourn was rejected. Fuller, Martin, Rockwell, "\Vilkinson, 1\fr. GLOVER. Mr. Speaker, I wish to record my vote on this ques­ Gaines, l\IcAdoo, Rogers, Wilson, W.Va. tion. Gibson, J'dcClammy, Rusk, "\Voodburn, Glass, 1\IcComas, Sayers, Yardley, The SPEAKER. Was the gentleman in the Hall when his name was Goff, McCullogh, Scott, Yoder. called? Granger, McMillin, Scull, Mr. GLOVER. My name was called just as I entered the Hall, but Grimes, l\IcRae, Seney, not knowing the question that was being taken I refrained from vot­ So the motion to limit debate to one hour was agreed to. ing at the moment. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. M:r. Speaker, I voted" no" The SPEAKER. The Chair does not think the gentleman comes on this question, but wish to ask if a quorum has voted? within the exception to the rule. The SPEAKER. A quorum has voted. · Mr. GLOVER. I should have voted "no" on this question. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. Then I change my vote from The following additional pair was announced: "no" to "ay." Mr. DUNN with Mr. BIGGS, on this bill. The SPEAKER. The gentleman will be so recorded. The result of the vote was then announced as above recorded. Mr. DORSEY:. I ask unanimous consent to dispense with the read- The SPEAKER. The question is on the motion of the gentlem~Jn ing of the names. • from Ohio to limit debate to one hour. Mr. OATES. I object. 1\Ir. OATES. 1\Ir. Speaker-- The Clerk then recapitulated the names of those voting. The SPEAKER. What motion does. the gentleman make? The following additional pairs were announced: Mr. OATFE. I shall not submit a motion at this time. Mr. TOWNSHEND with Mr. DUNHAM, 'on this vote. The question was taken on the motion to limit debate; and on a di- 1\Ir. GIBSON with Mr. KELLEY, on this vote. vision there were-ayes 79, noes 9. "' The result of the vote was then announced as above recorded. Mr. OATES. No quorum. MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. I call for the yeas and nays. A message from the PrE>3ident of the United States, in writing, was The yeas and nays were ordered. communicated to the House, by Mr. PRUDEN, one of his secretaries. The question was taken ;ynd there were-yeas 159, nays 23, not vot­ The message announced the approval of the following bills: ing 142; as follows: An act (H. R. 4327) regulating the construction of bridges over the YEAS-159. Muskingum River, in Ohio; and Allen,' Mass. Crouse, Hovey, Plumb, An act (H. R. 5723) to amend section 461 of the Revised Statutes, re­ Allen, Mich. Culberson, Howard, Post, Anderson, Miss. Cutcheon, Budd, Pugsley, lating to fees for the exemplification of land-patents, and for other pur­ Anderson, Kans. Dalzell, Hunter, Randall, poses. Atkinson, Darlington, Jackson, Reed, REFUND OF DIRECT TAX OF 1861. Baker, N.Y. Davis, Johnston, Ind. Rice, Baker, ill. DeLano, Kean, Romeis, Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I move to reconsider the vote Bayne, Dibble, Kennedy, Rowell, by which the motion to limit debate was agreed to. Belden, Dingley, Kerr, Russell, Conn, Bliss, Dorsey, La Follette, Russell, Mass. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. I move to lay that motion on the table. Boothman, Dunham, Laidlaw, Ryan, Mr. WASHINGTON. Yeas and nays. Bound, Elliott, Laird, Sawyer, The yeas and nays were ordered. Boutelle, Ermentrout, Latham, Seymour, Bowden, Farquhar, Lawler, Shaw, The question was taken; and there were-yeas 159, nays 17, not vot­ .· Bowen, Felton, Lee, Simmons, ing 148; as follows: Breckinridge, Ark. Finley, Lehlbach, Sowden, YEAS-159. Brewer, Flood, Lyman, Stahlnecker, Allen, Mass. Culberson, Hunter, Pugsley, Browne,T.H.B.,Va. Ford, Macdonald, Steele, Allen, Mich. Cutcheon, Hutton, Rnndn.li, Browne, Ind. Funston, Mahoney, Stephenson, Anderson, Kans. Dalzell, Johnston, Ind. Romeis, Brown, Ohio Gallinger, Mason, Struble, Atkinson, Darlington, Kean, Rowell, Brown,J.R.,Va, Gear, Matson, Symes, Baker, N.Y. Davis, Kennedy, Rowland, Brumm, Gest, McCormick, Taylor, E. B., Ohio Baker, ill. De Lano, Kerr, .Russell, Conn. Bryce, Glover, McCreary, Thomas, Ky. Bayne, Dibble Ketcham. Russell, Mass. Buchanan, Greenman, McKenna, Thomas,Wis. Belden, Dingley, La Follette, Rusk, Bunnell, Grosvenor, McKinley, Tracey, Belmont, Dorsey, Laidlaw, Ryan, Burrows, Grout, McKinney, Turner, Kans. Boothman, Dunham, Latham, Sawyer, Bynum, Guenther, Milliken, Vandever, Bound. Elliott, Lee, Seymour, Ca.mpbell,F.,N. Y. Hall, Montgomery, Wade, Boutelie, Ermentrout, Lehlbach, Shively, Ca.mpbell,TJ.,N.Y. Harmer, Morrill, Walker, Bowden, Farquhar, Long, Simmons, Cannon, Heard, Morrow, Warner, Bowen, Finley, - Lyman, ~owdtm, Caruth, Hemphill, Nelson, Weber, Brewer, Fitch, l\Iahoney, Springer, Caswell, Henderson, Iowa. Nichols, West, Browne,T.H.B.,Va.Flood, l\Iaish, Steele, Cheadle, Henderson, Ill. Nutting, White, N.Y. Browne, Ind. Ford, Mansur, Stephenson, Chipmp.n, Hermann, O'Donnell, Whiting, Mass. llrown,.Ohio Fuller, Mason, Struble, Clark, Bitt, O'Ferra.ll, Wickham, Brown,J.R., Va.. Funston, Matson, Symes, Cogswe~ Holmes, Osborne, Wilber, Brumm, Gallinger, McComas, Taulbee, Collins, Hopkins, Ill. Parker, WilliiUIUI, Bryce, Gear, McCormick, Taylor, E. B., Ohio Cooper, Hopkins, Va. Patton, Wise, Buchanan, Gest, McKenna, Thomas, Ky. Cothram, Hopkins, N.Y. Perry, Yost. Bunnell, Glover, McKinley, Thomas, Wis. Cox, Houk, Pidcock, Burrows, Goff, l\:lcKinney, Tracey. Butterworth, Greenm~, Milliken, Turner, Kans. NAYS-23. Bynum, Grosvenor, Montgomery, Vandever, Buckalew, Hogg, Newton, Sto~kdale, Ca.mpbell,F.~rN.Y. Grout, Morrill, Wade, ·Crain, Holman, Peel, Stone, Ky. Campbell,T. J,,N.Y.Ha.ll, Morrow, Walker, Cummings, Johnst-on, N.C. Rowland, Washington, Cannon, Harmer, Nelson, "\Varner, Gay, Laffoon, Shively, Wheeler, Caruth, Haugen, Nutting, Weber, • Hatch, Lynch, Springer, Wilson, l\finn. Caswell, Heard O'Donnell, West, Henderson, N.C. Neal, Stewart, Tex. Cheadl!', Hemphm, O'Ferrall, White, N.Y. Chipman, Henderson,Iowa O'Ncill, Pa. Whiting, Mas& NOT VOTING-142. Clark, Henderson, ill. Osborne, "\Vickl.ul.m, Abbott, Bacon, Bingham, Burnes, Cogswell, IJermann, Owen, Wilber, Adams, Bankhead, Blanchard, Burnett. Conger, Hitt, Parker Wilkinson, Allen, Miss. Barnes, Bland, Butler, Cooper, Holmes, Patton,' Williams, Anderson, Iowa Barry, Blount, Butterworth, Cothran, Hopkins, lll. Perry, Yoder, Anderson, ill. .Belmont, Breckinridge, Ky• Campbell, Ohio Cor, Hopkins, N.Y. Plumb, Yost. Arnw,l., Biggs, Brower, Candler, OrnUH, Houle, Post, 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 2705 • NAYB-17. how much the vessels of war and steam ma.chine1·y contracted for by the Depuzt­ Abbott, Hatch, Lynch, Wheeler, men t in the years 1862 and 1863 cost the contractors over and above the cou tract Blanchard, Henderson, N. 0. :McCreary, Wilson, W.Va. price and allowance for extra work, and :r:eport t~e SS.J?le to the Senate at its Buck a lew, Hogg, Neal, next sessi?n; none but those that have gn·en sat1sfaction to the Department Crain, Holman, Snyder, to be cons1dered." Cummings, Johnston, N.C. Stone, Ky. 1'his board was appointed by the Secretary. of th~ Navy on the 25th day ~f 1\Iny 1865 and consisted of a commodore, a chief engmeer, and a. paymaster In NOT VOTll~G-14.8. the Navy.' Its powe1·s were broad and liberal, and comprehended an ~nquiry Adams, Dockery, Lawler, Robertson, touching all things that made up "the cost to the contractors" of the:r work Allen, 1\liss. Dougherty, Lind, Rockwell, in excess of the contract price and allowances for extra work. Anderson, Iowa. Dunn, Lodge, Rogers, The board convened on tho 6th day of June, 1865, and sat continuously until Anderson, Miss. Enloe, Macdonald, Sayers, the 23d day of December followiug and made numer.ous a~ards to cont:actors. Anderson,lll. Felton, 1\laffett, Scott, '.rhe parties mentioned in the bill now under consideratiOn were notified on A.rnoid, Fisher, Martin, Scull, the 9th and 15th days of June, 1865, to prepare and s~b~it testi~o~y to ~he Br1con, Foran, McAdoo, Seney, board in support of their claims, and they repeatedly s1gn1fied thetr mtentwn Bankhead, Forney, 1\IcCiammy, Shaw, Barnes, French, ?ticCullogh, Sherman, to~~n~~d M:cKay was the contra~tor for the construction of the monitor Nn.uset Barry, Gaines, 1\IcJUillin, Smith, and t he steamer Ashuelot. The proceedings of the board show that on the lith Biggs, Gay, McRae, Spinola, day of August, 1865, he notified the board that the only cla.im he made for loss Bingham, Gibson, :McShane, Spooner, was on the hull, boiler,and machinery,of the Ashuelot·, which he would be pre· Bland, Glass, Merriman, StuhlneckeT pared to present in about six weeks. . Bliss, Granger, Mills, Stewart, .c. Neither of these parties presented any statement to the board, and no clatm of Blount, Grimes, Moffitt, Stewn1· .:~. . theirs was passed upon. Breckinridge, Ark. Guenther, Moore, Stewart, Vt. On the 2d day of March, 1867, an act was passed direct in~ tJ:!e Secretary of the Breckinridge, Ky. Hare Morgan, Stockdale, Navy to investigate the claims of all contractors for bmldmg vessels of w a r Brower, Hayuen,1 Morse, Stone, l\lo. and steam machinery for the same, under contracts made after May 1,1861, and Burnes, Hayes, Newton, Tarsney, before January 1,1864. He was by said act required "to asce1:tain the addi­ Burnett, Herbert, Nichols, Taylor, J. D., Ohio tional cost which was necessarily incurred by each contractor 10 the comple­ Butler, Hiestand, Norwood, Thomas, Ill. tion of his work by reason of any changes or. alterations in the pla.~s and speci­ Campbel1, Ohio Hires, Oates, Thompson, Ohio fications required and delays in the prosecution of the work occasiOned by the Candler, Hooker, O'Neall, Ind. Thompson, Cal. Government which were not provided for in the original contract." lt was Carlton, Hopkins, Va. O'Neill, Mo. Tillman, further provided that there should be reported to Congress a tabular stat ': m~nt Catching!!, Hovey, Outhwaite, Townshend, of ea.ch case which should contain "the name of the contractor, a descnptton Clardy, Howard, Payson. Turner, Ga. of the work: the contract price, the whrs mentioned in this bill, after enteri_ng int.o contracts plainly indicating that changes of plansn,nd cons~quent delay In thetr Mr. PIDCOCK with Mr. DAVIDSON, of Florida, on this bill. workl were in their contemplation, availed themselves of the remedy which they The result of the vote was then announced as above stated. themselves had provided and thereupon received about 50 percent. in t.he case 1 of two of theEe Yessels of'the contract price for extra work, giving the Govern­ VETO 1\IESSAGE-N. l\I KAY AND OTHERS. ment a receipt in full. When soon thereafter opportunity ~as offere~ them to make further claim of as broad a nature as they could desrre they fa1Ied to do The SPEAKER laid before the House the following message from so and one of them disclaimed any right to recover on account of one of the the President of the United States; which was read: ve~sels, though all are now included in thepre~ent bill. In 1867 the claims we~e To the House of Representatives: fully examined under a law of Congress and reJected, and the Supreme Court 1n an exactly similar case finds neither law nor equity supporting them. • I return herewith, without approval, House bill 2477, entitled "An act for the If it be claimed that no compensation has be·en yet allowed solely for them­ relief of Nathaniel McKay and the executors of Donald M:cKay." crease in the {>rice of labor and material caused by delay in construction, it is It is proposed by this bill to allow the beneficiaries named therein to present no hardship to say that as the contractors made pt•ovision for change of plans to the Court of Claims for determination certain demands made by them against and delay they must be held to have taken the risk of such rise in price !'.nd be the Government on account of the construction of two iron·clad monitors called satisfied n!ith the provision they have made against it. Besides, much of the the Squando and the Nauset~ and a side-wheel steamer called the Ashuelot. increase in the price of labor and material is included in the extra cost which The contracts for building tnese vessels were made early in 1863. It was agreed has already been reimbursed to them. that they should be completed within six or eight months. It was also pro­ .But the bill does not provide that t.hese contra'?tors sha.l~ be limited in the vided in these contracts that the Government •· should have the privilege of Court of Claims t<> a recovery solely for loss occasiOned by mcrease of the cost ma.kinoo alterations and additions to the plans and specifications at any time of labor and materia l during the delay ca used by the Government. By the during.,the progress of the work as it may deem necessary and proper," and terms of ·the proposed act the court is directeq to ascertain the additional cost that if said alterations and additions should cause extra. expense to the con­ nece s~ arily incurred in building the vessels by reason of any changes or altera­ tractors the Government would "pay forthesameatfairand reasonablerat,es." tions in the plans and specifications, and delays in the prosecution of the wo!k· It thu~ appears that the time a.llowed for the completion of these vessels was This it seems to me, would enable these contractors to open the whole question with the assent of the contractors made exceedingly short; that notwithstand­ of co~pensation for extra work. ing this fact they consent~d to p~rmit su~h .alterations of pl!!-ns as must &;lmost It hardly seems fair to the Government to permit these claims to be presented necessarily prolong the tlme, fixmg no hmtt to sucJ;t extenston, and th~t 10 the after a lapse of twenty-three years since a settlement in full was made and re­ same breath they fix their measure of compensatiOn for such alterations and ceipts given after the opportunity which has been offered for establishing fur­ any extended time consequent thereon, at "a. fair and reasonable rate" for the ther ciaims if they existed, and when, as a consequence of the contractor's neg­ ~xtra expense caused thereby. . . . . lect the Government would labor under great disadvantages in its defense. Almost immediately upon the begmnmg of thetr work Rlterat10nS and ebanges I ~m of the opinion, in view of the history of these claims and the suspicion were made in the original plans for these vessels, and they were repeated and naturally excited as to their merit, that no injustice will be done if they are laid continued to such a degree that the completion of the vessels was delayed many months. at rest instead of being given new life and vigor in ~~RO~E}i cgE~~EtAND. In the latter part of the year 186-1 and early in the year 1855 payments in ex­ EXECUTIVE MANSION, cess of the contract price were made by the Navy Department to the contract­ .washinoton, April4, 1888. ors under the provisions of the contract above recited. The contract price for the'Squandowas $395,000. The contmcto1·s claimed extra compensation amount­ ing to 8337,329.46, and there was allowed $~94,525.~0. The contract price of the Mr. STONE, of Kentucky. I move that the message be referred to Nauset was $386 000, the extra compensatiOn clatmed was $314,768.93, and the the Committee on War Claims, and that it be printed. amount allowed S192,110.98. The contract price of the side-wheel steamer Ash­ uelot was $275 000, tho extm compensation claimed was $81,447.50, and the The motion was agreed to. amount allowed was 522,415.92. The different sums as thus adjusted were re­ ceived by the contractors in settlement of their claims for extra expense, and CONFERENCE COl\Il\IITTEES APPOINTED. receipts in full were given by them to the Government.. A number of other contractors bad done Uk:e work for the Government and The Speaker announced as the managers on the part of the House of cla.inied to have demands growing out 'of the same for extra. compensation. the conference on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses on the bill Evidently, with the view of investigating and settling these claims, on the 9th H. R. 1956 1\Ir. PEEL, Mr. HARE, and Mr. LA FOLLETTE; and on day of March, 1865, the Senate passed the following resolution : "Resolved That the Secretary of the Navy be requested to organize a board of the joint resolution H . Res. 81 Mr. BLANCHARD, Mr. STEWART of !lot less tha~ three persons, whose duty it shall be to inquire into and det-ermine Texas, and Mr. HENDEBSON of illinois. • XIX- 170 2706 OONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE~ APRIL 4, • CHANGE OF REFERENCE. Robertson, Sherman, Stewar£, Vt. Weaver, Rockwell, ori. motion of Mr. HUDD, by unanimous consent, the Committee on Shively, Stone, 1\!o. White, Ind. Rogers, Him mons, Tarsney, Whitthorne, Patents was discharged from thefurtherconsiderationofthe bill (H. R Russell, Mass. Smith, Taylor, J.D., Ohio Wilkin.S, 9085) to amend sections 476 and 477 of the Re~sed Statutes, re~ating · Rusk, Spinola, Thomas, Til. Wilson,l\Iinn. Sayers, to patent fees, and it was referred to the Comnnttee on Expenditures Spooner, Thompson, Ohio Woodburn, Scott, Stahlneeker, Thompson, Cal. Yardley. in the Interior Department. ScuD, Stephenson, Tillman, Seney, Stewart, Tex. Townshend, REFUND OF DffiECT TAX OF 186L Shaw, Stewart, Ga. Turner, Ga. The SPEAKER. The question is now on the motion of the gentle­ man from Ohio [Mr. EzRA B. TAYLOR] that the House res?lve itself So the House refused to adjourn. into Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Umon to re­ The following additional pairs were announced: sume the consideration of the special order. Mr. TOWNSHEND with Mr. BELDEN, for the remainder of the day. Mr. OATES. I move that the House take a recess until 5 o'clock Mr. JONES with M:r. LA FOLLETTE, for the remainder of the day. this evening. " .Mr. STAHLNECKER with Mr. Houx:, for the remainder of the day. Mr. WEAVER. I move to amend that motion by striking out 5 The result of the vote was then announced a.s above recorded. o'clock" and inserting "4 o'clot:!k." Mr. OATES. Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote just taken. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. And I move an amendment The SPEAKER. Under a ruling heretofore JD.ade in the House, to the amendment that the recess be taken until4.30 o'clock. that motion is not in order. The point was made during the second Mr. WEAVER. Pending those motions I move that the House do ses~ion orthe Forty-fifth Congress that a moti?n to reconsider a V?te now adjourn. by which the House refused to. adjourn was not m order,. and the ~omt The question being put on the motion to adjourn, the Speaker stated was sustained by the Chair, and that has been the ruling ever smce. that the "noes" seemed to have it. The reason is that the motion to adjourn can be repeated again and ~fr. OATES. I call for a division. again after other business has intervened. The question is on the The House divided; and there were-ayes 14, noes 75. amendment of the gentleman from Arkansas [Mr. BRECKINR~G~] to Mr. OATES. I ask for the yeas and nays. the motion of the gentleman from Iowa [Mr. WEAVER], which lS to The yeas and nays were ordered, 36 members voting therefor. • take the recess until half-past 4 o'clock instead of until 4. The question was taken; and there were-yeas 6, nays 181, not votmg J\:ir. OATES. I move to lay that motion on the table. 137; as follows: The SPEAKER. A motion to lay an amendment on the table is YEAS-6. not in order. Hooker, .Phelan, Stockdale, Symes. Mr. OATES. Then I ask for the yeas and nays upon it. l\1oore, Snyder, Mr. TAULBEE. I move to lay the motion and the amendments on NAYB-181. the table. Abbott. Dibble, Johnston, N.C. Post, The SPEAKER. That is not in order. It is not in order to move to Allen, .Mass. Dingley, Kean, Pugsley, lay a motion to adjourn or a motion for. a recess upon the table. The Allen, Mich. Dockery, Kelleyt Randall, Anderson, Kans. Dunham, Kennedy, Reed, question is upon the amendment proposed by the gentleman from Ar­ Atkinson, Elliott, Kerr, Rice, kansas [Air. BRECKINIUDGE]. Baker, N.Y. Ermentrout, Ketcham, Romeis, The question was taken on the amendment of BRECKINRIDGE, Baker, lll. Farquhar, Laidlaw, Rowell, Mr. Bayne, Finley, Latham, Row laud, and the Speaker declared that the ayes seemed to have it. Belmont, Flood, Lawler, Russell, Conn. A division was called for. Bliss, Ford, Lee, Ryan, Boothman, Forney, Lehlbach, Sawye1·, The House divided; and there were-ayes 3, noes 62• . Bound, French, Long, Seymour, Mr.. BRECKINRIDGE, ~kansas. No quorum. Boutelle, Fuller, Lyman, Sowden, The SPEAKER. The point being made that no quorum has voted, Bowden, Funston, Lynch, Springer, Brewer, Gaines, 1\Iacdonald, Steele, the Chair will appoint the gentleman from Arl;tansas [Mr. BRECKIN­ Browne,T.H.B.,Va.. Gallinger, Mahoney, Stone, Ky. RIDGE] and the gentleman from Ohio [Mr. EZBA B. TAYLOR] to act as B1·owne, Ind. Gear, Maish, Struble, tellers. Brown, Ohio Gest, 1\Iansur, Taulbee, EZRA TAYLOR. I for the yeas and nays. Brown,J.R.,Va. Glover, 1\Iason, Taylor, E. B., Ohio Mr. B. call Brumm, Goft, Matson, Thomas, Ky. The yeas and nays were ordered. Bryce, Greenman, McClammy, Thomas, Wis. The question was taken; and there were-yeas 3, nays 177, not vot­ Buckalew, Gros>enor, McComas, Tracey, ing 144; as follows: Buchanan, Grout, :McCormick, Turner, Kans. Bunnell, Guenther, McCreary, Vance, YE.A.S-3. Bunows, Hall, 1\IcKenna, Vandever, Abbott, Herbert, ..... Wheeler. Butterworth, 'Ha.ri11er. McKinley, Wade, Bynum, Hatch, McKinney, 'Valker, NAYS-178. Campbell, F., N.Y. Haugen, McRae, Warner, Campbell, Ohio Hemphill, Montgomery, Washington, All~, Mass. DeLano, Kelley, Randall, Oannon Henderson, Iowa. Morgan, Weber, Allen, Mich. Dibble, Kennedy, Reed, Caruth,' Henderson, N. C. Morrill, West, Anderson, Kans. Dingley, Kerr. Rice, Caswell, Hermann, Neal, Wheeler. Atkinson, Dorsey, Ketcham, Rome is, Cheadle, Hires, Newton, White, N.Y. Baker, N.Y. Dunham, La Follette, Rowell, Chipman, Bitt, Nichols, Whiting, Mich. Baker, lll. Elliott, Lagan, Rowland, ' mark, Holman, Nutting, Whiting, Mass. Bayne, Ermentrout, Laidlaw, Russell, Conn. Conger, Holm~s, Oates, Wickham, Belden, Farquhar, Latham, Russell, Mass. Cooper, Hop~,lll. O'Donnell, Wilber, Bliss, Finley, Lawler, Rusk Cothran, Hopkins, Va. O'Ferra.ll, Wilkinson, Boothman, Fitch Lee, Ryan', Crouse, Hopkins, N.Y. O'Neall, Ind. Williams Bound, Flood, Lehlbach, Sawyer, Culberson, Hovey, O'Neill, Pa. Wllson, W.Va. Boutelle, . Fuller, Long, Seymour, Cummings, . Howard, Osborne, Wise, Bowden, Funston, Lyman, Snyder, Cutcheon, Hudd, Owen, Yoder, Bowen, Gallinger, . Macdonald, Sowden, Dalzell, Hunter, Parker, Yost. Brewer, Gay, Mahoney, Springer, Darlington., Hutton, Perkins, Browne, T.H.B.,Va.Gear, 1\laish, Stahlnecker, Davis, Jackson, Perry, Browne, Ind. Gest, 1\Iansur, Steele, DeLano, Johnston, Ind. Plumb, Brown, Ohio. Glover, Mason, Stephenson, Brown, .J. R., Va. Goff, McClammy, Stewart, Vt.. NOT VOTING-137. Brumm, Greenman, McCormick, Stone, Ky. Adams, Carlton, Gay, Maffett, Bryce, Grosvenor, 1\IcCreary, Struble, Allen, 1\fiss. Catchings, Gibson. Martin, Buchanan, Grout. 11fcKenna, Taylor, E. B., Ohio. Ande1·son,Iowa. Clardy, Glass, · McAdoo, Buckalew, Guenther, McKinley, Thomas, Ky. Anderson, Miss. Clements, Granger, McCullogh, Bunnell, Hall, McKinney, Thomas, Wis. Anderson, ill. Cobb, Grimes, Mcl\fillin, Burrows, Harmer, McRae, Tracey, .Arnold, Cockran, Hare, McShane, Butterworth, Haugen, 1\filliken, Turner, Kans. Bacon, Cogswell, Hayden, Merriman, Bynum, Henrd, Montgomery, Vandever, Baqk.head, Collins, Hayes, Milliken, Campbell, F., N.Y. Hemphill, Morrill, Wade, Barnes, Compton, Heard, 1\lills, Campbell, Ohio. Henderson, Iowa. Morrow, 'Valker, Barr Cowles, Henderson, Ill.. Moffitt, Campbell, T.J.,N. Y.Henderson, N.C. Neal, Warner, Belde•i lU ,. Cox, Herbert, Morrow, Cannon, Hitt, Nelson, Washington, Biggs,-•· Crain, Hiestand, Morse, Caruth, Hogg, Newton, Weber, Bingham, Crisp, Hogg, Nelson, Cheadle, Holman, Nichols, West, Blanchard, Dargan, Honk, Norwood, Chipman, Holmes, O'Ferrall, White,N.Y. Bl d Davenport, Jones. O'Neill,Mo. Clark, Hopkins, Va. O'Neill, Penn. Whiting, Mass. Bl~~mt, Da~dson, Ala.. Kilgore, Outhwaite, Cogswell, Hopkins, N.Y. Osborne, Wickham, Bowen, D81Vldson, Fla.. Laffoon, Patton, Conger, Houk, Owen, Wilber, Breckinridge, Ark. Dorsey, La Follettp, Payson, Cooper, Hovey, Parker, Wilkinson, Breckinridge,Ky. Dougherty, Lagan, Peel, Cothran, Hudd, Patton, Williams, Brower, Duun, Laird, Penington, Crouse, Hunter, Peel, Wise, Burnes, Enloe, Landes, Peters, Cummings, Hutton, Perkins, Yardley. Burnett, F~lton, Lane, Phelps, Cutcheon, Jackson, Yoder, Bul:-ler, F!sher, Lanham. Pidcock, Dalzell, .Johnston, Ind. ~T~i,. Yost. Campbell,T.J. ,N.Y.F1tch, Lind, Rayner, Darlington, Johnston, N.C. Post, Candler, Foran. Lodge, Richa.rn.son, Davis, Ke.'tn, Pugsley, • 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 2707

NOT VOTING-143. Lawler, Neal, Rowland, Thomas, Ky. Lee. Nelson, Russell, Conn. Thomas, Wis. Adams, Culberson, Lane, Rogers, Lehlbach, Newton, Rus ell, Mass. Tracey, Allen, Miss. Dargan, - Lanham, Sayers, Lind, Nichols, Rusk, Vandever, .Anderson, ill. Davenport, Lind, Scott, Long, Nutting, Ryan, Wade, .Anderson, Iowa. Davidson, .Ala. Lodge, Scull, Lyman, O'Donnell, Sa.wyer, Walker, .Anderson, Miss. Davidson, Fla. Lynch, Seney, Macdonald, O'Ferrall, Seymour, Warner, Arnold, Dockery, Maffett, Shaw, Mahoney, O'Neill,Pa. Shaw, Weber, 'I Bacon, Dougherty, Martin, Sherman, Mansur, Osborne, Shively, West, Dankhead, Dunn, l'tfatson, Shively, Mason, Owep, Simmons, \vhite, Ind. Barnes, Enloe, McAdoo, Simmons, Matson, Parker, Sowden, White, N.Y. Barry, Felton, McComas, Smith, McAdoo, Patton, Springer, Whiting,Mass. Belmont, Fisher, McCullogh, Spinola, McClammy, Perkins, Stahlnecker, Whitlhorne, Biggs, Foran, l'tfelllillin, Spooner, McCormick, Plumb, Steele, Wickham, Bingham, Ford, McShane, Stewart, Tex. .McKenna, Post, Stephenson, Wilber, Blanchard, Forney, Merriman, ::ltewart, Ga. McKinley, Pugsley, Stewart, Vt. "Wilkinson, Bland, French, Mills, Sto:!kdale, McRae, Randall, Stockdale, Williams, Blount, GaineS, Moffitt, Stone, Mo. Milliken, Reed, Stone, Mo. Wilson, 1\linn. Breckinridge, Ark. Gibson, Moore, Symes, Montgomery, Rice, Struble, Wise, Breckinridge, Ky. Gla s, 1\forgan, Tarsney, Morrill, Rom cis, Taulbee, · Yost. Brower, Granger, Morse, Taulbee, Rowell, Taylor, E. B., Ohio Burnes, Grimes, Norwood, 'l'aylor,J.D., Ohio. Mor~ow, Burnett, Hare, Nutting, Thoma.s, ill. NOT V01.'ING-136. Butler, Hatch, Oates, Thompson, Cal. ' Candler, Hayden, O'Donnell, Thompson, Ohio. .Adams, Crisp, Lane, Robertson, Carlton, Hayes, O'Neall, Ind. Tillman, .Allen, l'tliss. Culberson, Lanham, Rockwell, Caswell, Henderson, TIL O'Neill, Mo. Townshend, Anderson, Iowa Dargan, Lodge, Rogers, Catchings, Hermann, OuthwaiteJ Turner, Ga. .Anderson, l'tliss. Davenport, Lynch, Sayers, Clardy, Hiestand, Payson, Vance, Arnold, Davidson, .Ala. Maffett, Scott, Clements, Hires, Penington, Weaver, Bacon, Davidson, Fla. Maish, Scull, Cobb, Hooker, Peters, 'Vhite, Ind. Bankhead, Dockery, l\Iartin, Seney,• Cockran, Hopkins, Dl. Phelan, Whiting, l'tlich. Barnes, Dougherty, l'IIcComas, Sherman, Collins, Howard, Phelps, Whitthorne, Barry, Dunn, McCreary, Smith, Compton, Jones, Pidcock, Wilkins, Belmont, Elliott, McCullogh, Snyder, Cowles, Kilgore,: Rayner, Wilson, Minn. Biggs, Enloe, McKinney, Spinola, Cox, Laffoon, Richardson, Wilson, W.Va. Bingham, Ermentrout, Mcl'ti:illin, Spooner, Crain, Laird, Robertson, Woodburn. Bland, Felton, McShane, Stewart, Tex. Crisp, Landes, Rockwell. Bliss, Fisher, 1\Ierriman, Stewart. Ga. J3lount., Foran, l\Iills, Stone, Ky. 1rfr. BURROWS. l'llr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the Breckinridge, .Ark. Forney, Moffitt, Symes, reading of the names of members voting be dispensed with. Breckinridge, Ky. Gay, Moore, Tarsuey, Brower, Gibson, Morgan, Taylor, J. D.,Ohio Mr. OATES and :Mr. HOUK objected. . BUI·nes, Glass, · 1\Iorse, Thomas, Ill. The resul of the Tote was then announced as above recorded. Burnett, Granger, Norwood, 'l'hompson,Ohio Ur. EZRA B. TAYLOR. I move to amend the pending motion by Butler, Grimes, Oates, Thompson, Cal. Campbell, Ohio Hall, O'Neall, Ind. Tillman, striking out "4 o'clock" and inserting" 10 o'clock to-morrow morn­ Campbell,T.J.,N.Y.Hare, O'Neill, l\Io. Townshend, ing ; '' and on that I call for the yeas and nays. Candler, Hayden, Outhwaite, Turner, Kans. The SPEAKER stated the motion of Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. Carlton, Hayes, Payson, Turner,Ga. Catchings, Herbert, Peel. Vance, M:r. EZRA B. TAYLOR. On my motion I demand the previous Clardy, Heistand, Penington, Washington, question. . Clements, Hooker, Perry, Weaver, Mr. BRECKINR~GE, of Arkansas. I move that the House ad­ Cobb, Hopkins, Va. Peters, Whiting, Mich. Cockran, Howard, Phelan, Wilkins, journ. Collins, Jones, Phelps, Wilson, W. Va. Mr. DIBBLE. On that I demand the yeas and nays. Cowles, Kilgore, Pidcock, Wo0dburn, Mr. OATES. I move that when the House adjourns to-day it be to Cox, Laffoon, Rayner, Yardley, meet on Friday next. Crain, Lagan, Richardson, Yoder. Mr. BAYNE. That is not in order. So the amendmenb of Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas, to the mo­ The SPEAKER: Under the rules of the House, a motion to :fix a tion of Mr. OATES was not agreed to. day to which the House shall adjourn has priority over a motion to ad­ Mr. WILLIAI\18. I ask unanimous consent to dispense with the journ and over a motion to take a recess. The gentleman from Ala­ reading of the names. bama moves that when the House adjourns to-day it adjourn to meet Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I object. on Friday next. The following additional pair was announced: Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I move to amend that motion Mr. WILSON, of West Virginia, with Mr. McCOMAS, fortherestofthe by fixing Friday next at 10 o'clock. day. The SPEAKER. 'I'hat would involve a change of the rules, and The result of the vote was announced as above stated. · would not be in order. The SPEAKER. The question now recurs upon the motion of the Mr. BRECKINRIDG E, of Arkansas. Then I move to amend the gentleman from Alabama. [Mr. OATES] that when the House adjourns motion of the gentleman from Alabama by striking out'' Friday" and to-day it adjourn to meet on Friday next. · inserting "Saturday." The SPEAKER having put the question on the motion of Mr. TARIFF ON WORSTED Y.ARNS, ETC. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas, it was declared not agreed to. Mr. O'NEILL, of Pennsylvania. Before the question is taken on Mr. DIBBLE. I demand the yeas and nays. the pending motion, I would like unanimous consent to present a peti­ The yeas and nays were ordered, 52 voting in favor thereof. tion, signed by eleven thousand operatives employed throughout the The question was taken; and it was decided in the negative, there United States in the manufacture of worsted yarns and goods contain­ being-yeas 1, nays 187; not voting, 136; as follows: ing worsted yarns, praying more effectual protection to establishments YE.A-1. manufacturing or using such yarns. I desire that the body of the pe­ Wheeler. tition, without the names, be read, and printed in the RECORD. NAY8-187. The SPE.A.KER. Is there objection? BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I object. .Abbott, Burrows Farquhar, Hermann, Mr. .Allen, 1\Iass. Butterworth, Finley, Hires, .Allen, Mich. Bynum, Fitch, Hitt, MESSAGE FROl\1 THE SENATE . .Anderson, Ill. Campbell,F., N. Y. Flood, Hogg, Anderson, Kans. Cannon, Ford, Holman, A message from the Senate, by l\fr. McCooK, its Secretary, informed .Atkinson, Caruth, Fi:ench, Holmes, the House that the Senate had passed without amendment the bill (H. Baker, N. Y. Caswell, Fuller, Hopkins, Ill. R. 6879) to authorize the Secretary of thq Treasury to convey to Anson Baker, Ill. Cheadle, Funston, Hopkins, N.Y. Bayne, Chipman, Gaines, Honk, Rudd, of the State of Colorado, certain real estate in the county of Belden, Clat·k, Gallinger, Hovey, Fremont, in said State. Blanchard, Cogswell, Gear, Hudd, The message also announced that the Senate had passed tlu. . (S. Boothman, Compton, Gest, Hunter, Bound, Conger, Glover, Hutton, 325) granting to the Billings, Clark's Fork and Cooke City Raill·oad Boutelle, Cooper, Goff, Jackson, Company the right of way through the Crow Indian reservation; in Bowden, Cothran, Greenman, J obnston, Ind. which the concurrence of the House was requested. Bowen, Crouse, Grosvenor, Johnston, N.C. Brewer, Cummings, Grout, Ke::tn, REFUND OF DIRECT TAX OF 1861. Browne, T.H.B.,Va.Cutcheon, Guenther, Kelley, I• Browne, Ind. Dalzell, Harmer, Kennedy, The question being put on the motion of Mr. OATES, that when the Brown, Ohio. Darlington, Hatch, Kerr, Brown, J. R., Va. Davis, Haugen, Ketcham, House adjourns to-day it a.djourn to meet on Friday next, there were­ Brumm, De Lano, Heard, La Follette, ayes 15, noes 75. Bryce, Dibble, Hemphill, Laidlaw, Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas, and Mr. OATES. No quorum. Buchanan, Dingley, Henderson, Iowa "' Laird Buckalew, Dorsey, Henderson,N.C. Land~s, Mr. EZRA. B. T.A. YLOR. I call for the yeas and nays. Bunnell, Dunham, Henderson, lll. Latham, The yeas and nays were ordered, . - 2708 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. APRIL 4,

The ques+ion was taken; and it was decided in the negative-yeas 0, that the House adjourn, and pendingthatthegentlemanfromiowa [Mr. nays 140, not voting 148; as follows: WEAVER] moved that when the House adjourns to-day it adjourn to YEAS-{). meet on Friday next. The question now recurs on the motion to ad­ NAYS-176. journ. .Adams, D._, Lano, Kelley, Randall, Mr. O'NEILL, of Pennsylvania. I ask the gentleman from Ken­ •• Allen, Mass. Dibble, Kennedy, Reed, tucky [Mr. BRECKIN:&mGE] to withdraw his objection to the presen­ Allen, Mich. •Dingley, Kerr, Rice, tation of the petition ofll,OOOoperatives ofwoolen mills in tbe city of Anderson, Kans. Dockery, La Follette, Romeis, Atkinson, Dorsey, Lagan, Rowell, Philadelphia so it may be printed in the RECORD without the names. Baker, N. Y. Dunham, Laidlaw, Rowland, Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. I will say there will be no Baker, llL Elliott, Latham, Russell, Conn. objection if I be allowed to have printed in the RECORD-I do not care Ba.yne, Ermentrout, Lehlba~h, Rusk, Belden, Farquhar, Lind, Ryan, about it being read-a petition of wo1·kingmen and of some Knights of Boothman, Finley, Long, Sawyer, Labor. Bound, Flood, Lyman, Shaw, The SPEAKER. Is there objection to printing these petitions in the Boutelle, Fuller, Lynch, Shively, Bowden, Gaines, Macdonald, Simmons, RECORD? Bowen, Gallinger, Mahoney, Sowden, M:r. WHEELER. How long are they? Brewer, Gay, Maish, Springer, • Mr. TAULBEE. I do not object to printing in the RE-CORD, but I Browne,T.H.B.,Va.Gear, Mansur, Stahlnecker, ' Browne, Ind. Gest, l\fason, Steele, do object to discussion. Brown, Ohio Glass, Matson, Stephenson, The SPEAKER. The regular order is demanded by several gentle­ Brown, J. R., Va. Goff, McAdoo, Stewart, Vt. men. Bryce, Greenman, McCla.mmy, Stockdale, Buchanan, Grosvenor, McCormick, Slone, Ky. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. T~ere is no objection to printing in the Buckalew, Grout, McKenna, Stone, Mo. RECORD, but we are too busy to have much reading. [Laughter.] Runnell, Guenther, McKinley, Struble, The SPEAKER. The question recms on the motion to adjourn. Burrows, Hall, McRae, Taylor, E. B., Ohio Butterworth, Haugen, Milliken, Thomas, Ky. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. I demand the yeas and nn.ys. Bynum, Hemphill, 1\Ion tgomery, Thomas, Wis. The yeas and nays were ordered. Campbell, F., N.Y. Henderson, Iowa Morrill, Tracey, The question was t.n.ken; and it was decided in the negative-yeas Cannon, Henderson,N.C. :Morrow, Turner, Kans. Caruth, Henderson, Ill. Neal, Vance, 4"1, nays 152, not voting 125; . as follows: Caswell, Herbert., Nelson, Vandever, Cheadle, Hermann, Newton, Wade, YEAS-47. Chipman, Hitt, Nichols, Walker, Abbott, Compton. Lane, .. Sayers, Clark, llogg, Nutting, Warner, Allen, Miss. · Cothran, Lanham, Springer, Cogswell, Holman, O'DonnelJ, Weber, Anderson, Miss. Enloe, 1\Iahoney, Stewart, Tex. Compton, Holmes, O'Ferrnll, West·, Anderson Ill. Forney, Martin, Stockdale, Conger, Hopkins, IlL O'Neall, Ind. White, Ind. Barry, Grimes, Mcl\Iillin, Stone Ky. Cooper, Hopkins, N.Y. O'Neili,Pa. Whiting, Mass. Breckinridge, Ark. Hare, Morg-an, 8ton , 1\Io. Cothran,' Houk, Osborne, Wickham, Breckinridge, Ky. Hemphill Neal, Turner, Ga. Crouse-, Hovey, Parker, Wilber, Buckalew, Herbert, Norwood, Vance, Cummings, Hudd, Patton, Wilkinson, Bynum, Hermann, O'Neall, Ind. Walker Uutcheon, Jackson, Perkins, Williams, Candler, Hogg, Peel, Wheele~, Dalzell, Johnston,Ind. Perry, Wise, Carlton, Hooker, Robertson, Whiting, Mich. Darlington, Johnston, N.C. Plumb, Yoder, Catching-s, Landes, Rowland, Davis, Kea.n, Post, Yost. NA.YS-152. NOT VOTING-148. Allen, 1\Iass. Dibble, Johnston, N. 0. Plumb, Abbott, Crisp, Laffoon, Robertson, Allen, Mich. Dockery, Kean, Post, Allen, Miss. Culberson, Laird, Rockwell, Anderson, Kans. Dorsey, Kelley, Pugsley, Anderson, Iowa. Dargan, Landes, Rogers, Atkinson, Dunham, Kennedy, Reed, Anderson, Miss. Davenport, Lane, Russell, Mass, Baker, N.Y. Elliott, Kerr, Rice, Anderson, Ill. Davidson, Ala. Lanham, Sayers, Baker, lll. Ermentrout, La. Follette, Romeis, Arnold, Davidson, Fla. Lawler, Scott, Bayne, Farquhar, Lagan, Rowell, Bacon, Dougherty, Lee, Scull, Belden; Finley, Laidlaw, Russell, Conn. Bankhead, Dunn, Lodge1 Seney, Boothman, Flood, Latham, Russell, Mass. R:unes, Enloe, :Matfet~, Seymour, Bound, French, Lchlback, Rusk, Bf\rry, Felton, Martin, Sherman, Boutelle, Fuller, Lin"d, Ryan, Delmont, Fisher1 McComas, Smith, Bowden, Gallinger J.ong, Sawyer, Biggs, Fitch, McCreary, Snyder, Bowen, Gay, Lyman, Seymour, · Biugha.m, Foran, McCullogh, Spinola, Brewer, Gear, Macdonald, Shively, Blanchard, Ford, McKinney, Spooner, Browne, T.H.B.,Va.Gest, Maish, Simmons, Rland, Forney, McMillin, Stewart, Tex. BroWile, Ind. Goff, 1\lansur, Sowden, Bliss, French, McShane, Stewart, Ga. Brown, Ohio, Greenman, 1\Iason, Steele, .Blount, Funston, Merriman, ~es, Brown, J. R., Vo.. Grosvenor, :Matson, Stephenson, Breckinridge, Ark. Gibson, Mills, tlfl'"arsney, Brumm, Grout, McAdoo, Stewart, Vt. Breckinridge, Ky. Glover, Moffitt, Taulbee, Buchanan, Guenther, 1\IcClammy, Struble, Brower, Granger, Moore, Taylor,J.D., Ohio Bunnell, Haugen, 1\IcCormick, Taulbee, Brumm, Grimes, Mor!mn Thomas, Ill. 0 Burrows, Heard, McCreary, Taylor, E. B., Ohio Burnes, Hare, 1\lor~e, ' Thompson, Ohio Butterworth, Henderson, Iowa, McKinley, Thomas, Ky. .Burnett, Harmer, Norwood, Thompson, Cal. Campbell, F., N.Y. Henderson, N. C. Montgomery, Thomas, Wis. Butler, Hatch, Oates, '.rillman, - Caruth, Henderson, Ill. Morrill, Turner, Kans. CampbelJ, Ohio. Hayden, O'Neill, Mo. Townshend, Caswell, Hires, 1\Iorrow, Vnndc~er, Campbell, TJ.,N.Y.Hayes, Outhwaite, '£luner, Ga.. Cheadle, Hitt, Nelson, 'Vade, Candler, Heard, Owen, Washington, Chipman, Holman, Newlon, Warner, C::ult-on, Hiestand, Payson, Weaver, Clark, Holmes, Nichols, 'Veber, C•ttchings, Hires, Peel, Wheeler, Cogswell, Hopkins, Ill. Nutting, While, Ind. Clardy, Hooker, Penington, White, N. Y. Conger, Hopkins, Va. O'Donnell, White, N.Y. Clements, Hopkins, Va.. Peters, Whiting, Mich. Cooper, Hopkins, N.Y. O'Ferrall, Whitiug, Mass. Cobb, Howard, Phelan, Whitthorne, Crouse, llouk, O'Neill, Pa. Wickham, Cockran, Hunter, Phelps, Wilkins, Cntcheorr, ·Hovey, Osbm·ne, Wilber, Collins, Hutton, Pidcock, Wilson, 1\Iinn. Dalzell, Hudd, Parker, Wilkinson, Cowles, Jones, Pugsley, Wilson, ,V. Va.. Darlington, Hunter, Patton, Yardley, Cox, Ketcham, Rayner, \Voodburn, Davis, Jackson, Perkins, Yoder, Crain, Kilgore, Richardson, Yardley. DeLano, Johnston, Ind. Perry, Yost. So the House refused that when it adjourns to-day it will adjourn to NOT V01'ING-125. meet on Friday next. A.dams, Cobb, Gibson, McCullogh, During the roll-call, Anderson, Iowa, Cockran, Glass, 1\IcKenna, Arnold, Collins, Glover, McKinney, Mr. B.A. YNE moved to dispense with the readin~ of the names. Bacon, Cowles, Granger, 1\IcRac, Mr. OATES objected. • _ Bankhead, Cox, Hall, McShane, The following 4dditiona.l pairs were announced: Barnes, Crain, Harmer, l\lerriman, Belmont, Crisp, Hat.ch, Milliken, Mr. TAULBEE with Mr. LANHA.M, on this vote. Biggs,' Culberson, Hayden, Mills, On all political questions for the rest of the day: Bingham, Cummings, Hayes, Moffitt., Mr. HATCH with :Mr. FUNSTON. Blanchard, Dargan, Hiestand, Moore, Bland, Davenport, Howard, Morse, Mr. GLOVER with Mr. WADE. Bliss, Da,·iuson, Ala. Hutton, Oates, Mr. HUTTON with Mr. liA.:&ME:&. -Blount, Dav"dson, Fla. Jones, O'NeiJI, 1\Io, Mr. FORD with Mr. LAIRD. Brower, Dingley, Ketcham, Outhwaite, Bryce, Dougherty, Kilgore, Owen, Mr. SNYDER with Mr. WOODBURN. Burnes, Dunn, Laffoon, Payson, l\fr. WILSON with Mr. KETCHAM, on the direct-tax bill. Ifpresent, llurnett, Felton, Laird, Peningt()ll, Mr. KETCHAM would vote for the bill and Mr. WILSON would vote Butler, Fisher, Lawler, Peters, Crunpbell, Ohio, Fitch, Lee, Phelan, against it. Campbell,T.J., N.Y.Foran, .Lodge, Phelps, The vote was then announced as above recorded. Cannon, Ford, Lynch, Pidcock, Mr. OATES. I move the House do now adjourn. Clardy, Funston, Maffett, R-andall, The SPEAKER. That motion is pending. The gentleman moved Clements, Gaines, McComas, Ra.y~4'¥>- 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE.

Richardson, Snyder, Thompson, Ohio. Wilkins, Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. I withdraw that demand. - Rockwell, Spinola, Thompson, Cal. "Williams, Rogers, Spooner, Tillman, Wilson, M.inn. Mr. McMILLIN. I renew it. Scott, Stahlnecker, Tracey, Wilson, W.Va. Mr. REED. I make the point of order that it is not in order. Scull, Stewart, Ga. Townshend, Wise, The SPEAKER. The Chair will hear the gentleman upon the point Seney, Symes, Washington, Woodburn. Shaw, Tarsney, 'Veaver, of order. Sherman, Taylor, J. D., Ohio. ·west, Mr. HEED. The only object of the previous question is ~to limit de­ Smith, Thomas, lll. Whitlhorne, bate. That is already limited by the rules of the House on thi~ ques­ So the House refused to adjourn. tion. During the roll-call the following additional pairs were announced: The SPEAKER. There is no amendment that can be offered now. 1t1r. CULBERSON with 1tfr. UOORE, on this bill. Mr. TAULBEE. I ask unanimous consent that the previous question Mr. McRAE with JH.r. McKENNA, for this day on this bill. l>e considered as ordered, as gentlemen want it. [Cries of" Regular ·Mr. BRYCE with Mr. OWEN, for the rest of the day. order!"] No~ hold on, I am with you. _ 1\IESS.AGE FROl\1 THE SENATE. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. I demand the yeas aD;.d nays on the pend­ in.u; motion. A message from the Senate, by Mr. PLATT, one of its clerks, an­ Mr. REED. That is on the amendment of the gentleman. nounced that the Senate had agreed to the report of the committee of M:r. McMILLIN. But I have renewed the demand for the previous conference on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses on the amend­ question. ments of the Senate to the bill (H. R. 2927) to authorize the construc­ Mr. REED. I make the point of order that it is not in orde1·. tion of a bridge across the Mississippi River at Memphis, Tenn. The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks it is in order. REFUND OF DIRECT TAX OF 1861. Mr. REED. Will the Chair hear me for a moment? Mr. WE.A. VER. I move that when the House adjourns to-day it The SPEAKER. 'l'he Chair will hear the gentleman. adjourn to meet on Monday next. M:r. REED. Under the rules of the House this question is to he de­ Mr. TAULBEE. Is not that too long? . cided without debate. The object of the previous question is to close Mr. WEAVER. No, it is not.. It is only three legislative days. debate and brin_g the House to a direct vote upon the pending propo­ Mr. TAULBEE. I make the_poiut of order against that. sition. If there can be no debate, how can there be a previous question? The SPEAKER The gentleman will state it. The SPEAKER. That may be a good reason why the House should Mr. TAULBEE. It is more than three davs. refuse to order the previous question, but the motion for the previous The SPEAKER. It is exactly three legiSlative days-Thursday, question is in order. Friday, and Saturday. Mr. LONG. Is it not a well-established principle ofpaTliamentary Mr. CANNON. Bot this is 'Vednesday, and you can not include the l:tw that one of these subsidiary motions can not be applied to another? one and exclude the other. That, for instance, the previous ·question can not be applied to the mo­ The SPEAKER. The Chair will cause the clause of the Constitution tion to adjourn? to be read. The SPEAKER. But the previous question can be applied to such Mr. TAULBEE. My point of order is this: That if the House ad­ motions as to commit or on a motion for a recess-- - journs now to meet on Monday, this being Wednesday, that it is more Mr. LONG. But not on a motion to adjourn. than the three legislative days provided in the Constitution. It is neces­ .Mr. REED. We are now on a motion tha-t is not debatable. sarily four days if you count either to-day or Monday. The SPEAKER. The original motion for a recess is amendable; but The SPEAKER. But the question is whether or not you can count the previous question, if m·dered now, would operate upon the whole either day. series of motions, fu-st upon the pending amendments and then upon ?tfr. TAULHEE. Well, thatissimplyamatteroftaste. [Laughter.] the original motion; so that when the amendment of the gentleman The SPEAKER. The Clerk will read the clause of the Constitution from Ohio is disposed of by ~ vote of t.he House, the House will be regulating this subject. brought to a direct vote upon the main question, which would not then The Clerk read as follows: j be subject to further amendment if the previous question is now or- Section 5, clause 4: Neither House, during the session of Congress, shall, . dered. · without the consent of the other,udjourn for more than three days, nor to any Mr. REED. Then, if the previous question covers such motions, I other place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting. renew the demand. [Laughter. J The SPEAKER. The language is for more than three days. Mr. McMILLIN. I withdraw the demand for the previous ques­ Mr. TAULBEE. My point, however, Mr. Speaker, is this, that if the tion. House adjourns now to meet again to-morrow, that is an adjournment ?tfr. REED and Mr. TAULBEE renewed the demand for the previous for one day. If we adjourn to meet on Friday, that is two days; and question. . if to meet on Saturday, that is three days. That is as far as an adjourn­ Mr. BAKER, of New York. I desire to ask a question for in!orma­ ment cim extend without the concurrence of the Senate under the tion. clause of the Constitution which has been read. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I move that the gentleman The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks the motion is not in order at this from Tennessee [Mr. McMILLIN] be excused from voting on the pend­ time, for a different reason than that suggested by the gentleman from ing question. Kentucky. · Mr. REED. I withdraw the motion for the previous question. I do The last vote preceding t,he one just taken was on a motion to adjourn not wish to embarrass those gentlemen. over until Friday; and it has been qecided, and has been the constant The SPEAKER. The demand for the previous question being with­ practice of the House since that decision that, although the motion to drawn, the question is on the amendment of the gent.leman from Ohio adjourn over may be repeated, some intervening business must have (Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR]. taken place before the motion can be again in order; and it has been M:r. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I made a privileged motion, held that the motion to adjourn is not such intervening business as that the gentleman from Tennessee be excused from voting on the makes a repetition of the motion to adjourn over in order. The only pending question. ' vote taken by the House since the motion to adjourn over was rejected The SPEAKER.. The gentleman from Arkansas asked to have a was on the motion to adjourn which has just been taken. The Chair gentJeman excused from voting on the pending question, which at that thinks the point of order-- time was the demand for the previous question, but that was with­ Mr. TAULBEE. The Chair sustains my point of order, as I under­ drawn. stand it. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. My motion was that the gen­ The SPEAKER. The Chair does not think that it is necessary to tleman from Tennessee be excused from voting on the pending question. decide upon the point urged by the gentleman, as there is another ground The SPEAKER. The question then pending was withdrawn. The upon which the motion can not be entertained. question is now on the amendment of the gentleman from Ohio. Mr. TAULBEE. That was my first point of order. Mr. REED. I call for the yeas and nays. Mr. WEAVER. I move that the House now take a recess until 8 The yeas and nays were ordered. o'clock. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I now renew the motion that The SPEAKER. There is a motion for a recess pending and two the gentleman from Tennessee [Mr. McMILUN] be excused from vot­ amendments to the motion, which is the limit of amendments in that ing on the pending question. direction. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Arkansas moves that the gen­ The first question is on the amendment of the gentleman from Ohio tleman from Tennessee [Mr. McMILLIN] be excused from voting on the [?tfr. EZRA B. TAYLOR] that when the House takes a recess to-day it pending question. be untillO o'clock to-morrow morning. Mr. BAYNE. I object. :Mr. OATES. Is it not amendable? Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I make the motion under Rule The SPEAKER. Itisnot, beingnowinthethirddegree-anamend­ VIII; it is not a request. ment to the amendment. The SPEAKER The gentleman from Arkansas moves that the gen­ Mr. REED. This is a final vote on that question. tleman from Tennessee be excused from voting. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio had demanded the pre­ The question being put on the motion of Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Ar­ vious question upon the motion. kansas, the S{>eaker stated that the "noes " seemed to have it. 2710 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. .A. .PRIL 4,

11Ir. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I call for a division. 1.Ir. BURROWS. The admission of these motions mde.finitely might The House divided; and there were-ayes 16, noes 69. prevent the Honse from taking a recess. 11Ir. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. No quorum. The SPEAKER. But the House is not prevented from adjourning The SPEAKER. The Chair appoint-s as tellers 1\Ir. BRECKINRIDG E, and thereby terminating its sitting. of Arka.nsas, and Mr. MASON. Mr. BURROWS. But the principle is the same. Before the count by tellers was completed, The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks not. The ruling referred to by 1lfr. CASWELL said: I rise to make a parliamentary inquiry. the gentleman bas ne>er been held except in the cases specified, and • The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. the rule itself is very broad. It does not make any exception. The Mr. CASWELL. Is it in orner to excuse a member from voting on decisions which the gentleman from Michigan cites are exceptions to a motion for a recess? ..... the rule-exceptions which ha.Ye never been carried beyond motions to The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks it is in order to excuse a mem- adjourn and to adjourn over and fox; calls of the House. ber from voting. · Mr. BURROWS. It was so held in the case of adjournment oYer. lli. BLOUNT. Would it not be in order to ask that the gentleman The SPEAKER. It was. from Tennessee be heard ? Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. I trn..st I may be allowed to make~~ sug­ 111r. REED. I make the point of order. gestion to the Chair on this point of order. The SPEAKER. If the point of order is made that the House is The SPEAKER. The Chair will state, however, that the point of voting-- order in this case is made too late, because the House is actually vot­ 1\Ir. CASWELL. I make my point of order under Rule IX, which ing upon the question; but if any further request should be made-­ I shall read. Mr. REED. I made the point of order before the count began. Questions of privilege shall be, first, those affecting the rights of the House The SPEAKER. The Chair did not so understand. collectively, its safety, dignity, and the integrity of its proceedings; second, the 11Ir. REED. Oh yes; I made it, _and the Chair decided I was out rights, reputation, and conductofmembers individually in their representative capacity only, and shall have precedence of all other questions, except motions of order. to fix the day to which the House shall adjourn, to adjoru·n, and for a recess. The SPEAKER. The Chair will hear the gentleman from Ohio The SPEAKER. But this is not a question of privilege. . [!\Ir. EZRA B. TAYLOR].. Mr. CASWELL. Then how does it intervene at this time? 1lfr. EZRAB. TAYLOR. Undertbissamerule, whichdidnotin terlllS The SPEAKER. Because the rule directs that a member shall vote exclude the question of voting on an adjournment, the Speaker held on each question put, unless he is excused by the House. And it is that, because of the reason of the thing, the rule could not apply to also provided that the motion to excuse him shall be made before di­ that sort of a case. This exception is not made in the wording of the vision or the commencement of the roll-call. A motion to take a recess rule. It is made hy the construction which the Speaker gave to the is not a question of privilege. rule as it now stands. Now, does not the very same reason in substance Mr. CASWELL. Is amotion to excuse a member from voting a priv­ apply in the present case? Has the Speaker of this body less power ileged motion ? in the construction of a rule than a court bas in the construction of a The SPEAKER. It is a motion under the rules of the House, and law? In either case, must not the construction be based upon good must be made at a certain time. The Chair thinks the motion of the sense and be in accordance with the intention of the body that framed gentleman from Arkansas is in order. the rule or the law? Are we bound band and foot by a meaningless Mr. SOWDEN. I understand the gentleman from Tennessee [Mr. mJe? Are we not at liberty to put a reasonable construction upon Mcl\IILLIN] is paired, which of itself excuses him from voting. it? A Speaker of this House having adopted a principle of construc­ l\I r. BURROWS. I desire to call the attention of the Speaker to re­ tion in one case now, when another case of like kind comes before the peated decisions hearing upon this question. I will read the statement Chair, is not the precedent already established-one which the Speaker in the Digest of Parliamentary Law, which is very brief. ought to respect? , Unless the principle of construction already adopted be applied in It is not in order to ask to be excused from· voting on a motion to adjourn, or to adjourn oyer, nor after the main question is ordered, nor pending the demand this case, what will be the result in regard to business of the House in for the previous quest-ion. If it were otherwise, motions might be made one regard to other measures which may come up? Is this the only bill after Rnother, and the House might be voting upon repeated questions of mo­ before this House, or the only one that ever will be before it? These tions to excuse, etc., when a. majorUy of the Honse were in favor of adjourning. gentlemen who are pressing this matter may take notice that it is not. Mr. REED. I made that point of order at the proper time. Mr. REED. I beg to submit to the Speaker another suggestion. , The SPEAKER. This is not a. motion to adjourn or a motion to Mr. GROSVENOR. One word upon the question of order. There adjourn over, but a. motion for a recess; and the question is on an are 145 members of the minority in this House. If it is to be held amendment to that motion. Upon that the gentleman from Arkansas that on any question the House may be prevented from coniing to a asks that the gentleman from Tennessee be excused from voting. direct vote by proceedings of this kind, then there may be 650 roll­ 1\lr. REED. The same principle must govern. calls upon the primary question which can be made upon motions to Mr. BURROWS. If a motion to excuse.a member from voting on a excuse members of the House from voting, and would consume seventy motion to adjourn is not in order, neither should it be in order for a days of five hours; anu those motions may be indefinitely extended. motion to take a recess; for the reason that if admissible then it could And I give notice now that if this ruling is upheld. if God spares my be made to apply to every member in the House and arrest all busi­ life, and if I can get members of the minority to stand ;with me, this ness. proceeding will be resorted to upon questions that will affect the ma­ The SPEAKER. That may be an inconvenience resulting from the jority most materially. rule; but if the motion can be made under the rule it is in order. Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Tennessee [1\fr. Mc­ ~fr. RE.ED. I have never known a motion of this kind to be enter­ MILLIN] has not asked to be excused. tained while I have been in the House. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Arkansas [Mr. BRECKIN­ Mr. GROSVENOR. It might be a very useful motion for the ma­ RIDGE] moved to excuse the gentleman from Tennessee. jority. Mr. REED. Had he the right to do that? Is there any right for The SPEAKER. The Chair does not remember such a. motion. one gentleman to move to excuse another? Still the rules provide for it. The SPEAKER. The Chair supposes a gentleman can make any Mr. BURROWS. If it be true that a. motion is in order to excuse a proper parliamentary motion he desires. member from voting on a motion to take. a recess, can not the motion Ur. REED. Can that b_e a proper parliamentary motion at this to excuse be made with reference to every member of the House? time? The SPEAKER. Certainly; and it could be upon any other ques­ The SPEAKER. It was when made. tion as well. Mr. REED. If the gentleman from Tennessee desires to be excused~ Mr. BURROWS. So that there could be brought about the very he has always been credited with physicalandmentalcapacitytomake condition of things which, according to the decision I have rea(J., can such a statement himself. I suppose that could be predicated of every not be brought about. member of the House, and the Chair is bound to take notice of a fact The SPEAKER. The Chair will cause the Clerk to read the first so patent as that. Surely it can not be in order for another gentleman paragraph of Rule VIII. to make the request, however the Chair might decide upon a request The Clerk read as follows: made by the gentleman himself. Every member shall be present with.in the hall of the House during its sit­ The SPEAKER. The Chair can not go into those matters. tings, unless excused or necessarily prevented; and shall vot-e on each question put, unless on motion made before division or the commencement of roll-call, Mr. REED. The proposition to be excused from v-oting is a personal and decided without debate, he shall be excused, or unless he bas a direct per­ right or privilege, and it can not be that one gentleman can move to sonal or pecuniary interest in the event of such question. excuse another, apparently without his consent. The SPEAKER. Now, it has been held that this does not apply in 1t1r. SOWDEN. I rise to a parliamentary inquiry. Has the Chair the case of a motion to adjourn or to adjourn over or for a call of the decided the question of order? House; and the reason seems to be that if the motion to excuse mem­ The SPEAKER. The Chair has indicated its opinion on the question. bers from voting were entertained in such a case it might be in the Mr. SOWDEN. If the Chair has decided the question, I appeal from power of a member to prevent the House from adjourning at all, or the decision. from compelling the attendance of members, and thus the House might The SPEAKER. The Chair would state, in I'esponse to the gentle­ be kept in session indefinitely or be destroyed as a legislative body. man from Ohio [Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR J that the argument made would Those reasons do not apply on the question of taking a recess. of course apply notonly- to this case but to every case in which a mem- 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE: 2711 ber might ask to be excused from votin~. Now, in the case of a motion ~Ir. REED. All I desire, Mr. Speaker, is the question may be pre­ to adjourn the Chair decided to-day that the vote on such a motion sented intelligently. could not be reconsidered, for the reason that the motion might be re­ The SPEAKER. That is all the Chair desires. The Chair has no peated again and again for an indefinite number of times, pTOvided feeling in the matter, but desirE-s the H ouse to give its best judgment there had been intervening business. In other words, the reason of on the question without regard to any decision of the Chair. Does the the rule which allows in general motions to reconsider did not apply. gentleman from Arkansas insist on his motion to excuse the gentleman The motion to take a recess is one which may also be repeated; but trom Tennessee? when it is renewed a different time must be fixed. A motion to amend Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. No, I do not. 1 so as to take a recess until to-morrow morning at 10 o'clock, whether Mr. McCREARY. I should like to have the Clerk read clause 1 of carried or rejected, could not be repeated, though other business may Rule VIII. have intervened. So the motion to take a recess is not like a motion The SPEAKER. It was read, but it will be read, again if the gen- to adjourn. The House must at all times have it in its power to de­ tleman desires it. termine whether it will adjourn or ~ot-whether it will adjourn from Mr. McCREARY. I do. day to day or adjourn to a particular day in the future. The Clerk read as follows: The exercise of this power might be defeated absolutely if during the Every member shall be present within the Hall of the House during its sit­ pendency of such a motion the time of the House could be consumed tings, unless excused or necessarily preven t.cd ; a nd shall vote on each question put, unless, on motion made before division or t he commencemen t of the _roll­ by repeated motions to excuse members from voting. But the Chair call and decided without debate, he shall be excused, or unless he has a duect does not see how that consideration can apply to a motion to take a p ersonal or pecuniary interest in the event of such q uestion. recess any more than to any other ordinary question pending before the Mr. LONG. I understand, l\Ir. Speaker, that two points of order House. The Chair therefore overrules the point of order. The gentle­ are pending. One is the motion to excuse is not in order, and the sec­ man from Pennsylvania [Mr. SOWDEN] takes an appeal. The Chair ond is that one member has not the right to move another member will be very glad to have the judgment of the House upon the matter. shall be excused. The question is, Shall the decision of the Chair stand as the judgment Severall\IEMBERS. We can not hear what is going on. of the House? The SPEAKER. Members must resume their seats and preserve The question having been put, order. The SPEAKER said: The noes seem to hn.Ye it. Mr. LONG. I understand. ~fr . Speaker, that two points of order Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I call for a division. are involved. The first is that the motion to excuse a member is not in The que tion being again taken, there were-ayes 60, noes 65. ordel'. ·The second is that one member has no right to move to excuse Mr. McCREARY. I ask for the ye.."\8 and nays. another member. The Chair has overruled both points of order. Undel' Ml·. REED. I make the point of order that we are voting on a ques­ this appeal can there be a division of the question? For myself I will tion of yeas and nays. vote to sustain the Chair on the first point, but I will not vote to sus­ The SPEAKER. Still there is an appeal taken. tain the Chair on the second point. Can there be any division of the Mr. REED. The yeas and nays have been ordered on another ques­ question? tion. The SPEAKER. The Chair does not see how there can be a division, The SPE AKER. But if the gentleman from Pennsylvania has the because the point of order is one entire thing. right to take an appeal, the House must have the right to vote on it in A MEMBER. One was made by Mr. BURROWS, of Michigan, and the the usual \'1'1\y. The question is on ordering the yeas and nays. other bv l\1r. REED. • The yeas and nays were ordered. Mr. I{EED. No, the original point was made by myself. :Mr. CANNO:N. Now, Mr. Speaker, I ask that the gentleman from The SPEAKER. By the gentleman from Maine-- Tennessee be excused from voting on this question. Mr. REED. I did it on one ground. ' The SPEAKER (having put the question) declared the motion of The SPEAKER. The point is one entire thing. JI,Ir. CANNON agreed to. Mr. REED. Indivisible. Several Members ca-lled for a division. The SPEAKER. The point of the gentleman from Michigan was :1\lr. TAULBEE. I make the point of order that the call for a. divis­ argument made in support of the point of order. ion was not maae until after theresultofthevote had been announced. Mr. REED. That is all. The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks that is the fact; at least the The SPEAKER. One reason may be good and the other bad. Chair did not hearthe demand until after the announcement. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. Will the Chair state the point Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansa.s. I rose to make the demand of order involved? as the Chair was in the act of making the announcement. The SPEAKER. The question is, Shall the decision of the Chair Mr. OATES. So did I. stand as the judgment of the House? Mr. ALLEN, of Uississippi. I was on my feet for that purpose. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. Can we not have a statement Mr. BLOUNT. I called for a division before the result was an- of what is involved in the question? nounced. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Arkansas [~1r . BRECKIN­ :Mr. TAULBEE. As a matter of course, if any gentleman says he RIDGE] moved that the ga.tleman from Tennessee [Mr. McMILLIN] demanded a division before the announcement of the Chair, I agree that be excused from \Oting on the mot.ion for a. recess. The point was a division ought to be ordered; but until such statement is made I in- made that it was not in order under the practice of the House to excuse sist on my point of order. . a member from voting on a motion to take a. recess. It was urged in The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Georgia [ Mr. BLOUNT] has support of that, in the first place, there had been a ruling by the House just stated that he made the demand, and two or three other gentlemen heretofore that it was not in order to excuse a member on a motion to state that they were on their feet endeavoring to make the demand adjourn or to adjourn over; and, secondly, that the motion was not in when the Chair announced the decision. order because it was made by another member, and not by the member Mr. McMILLIN. It is due to myself to state that I have not sought' from Tennessee himself. The Chair overruled the point of order and to be relieved by the interposition of the gentleman from Illinois. an appeal was taken. It is only one entire question; the others are Mr. SPRINGER. I rise to a parliamentary inquiry. If the H ouse mere matters of argument should vote to excuse the gentleman, ·can he claim the constitutional 1\Ir. GROSVENOR. Is the appeal debatable? right to vote notwithstanding? The SPEAKER. Rule I, clause 4, provides '' that no member shall :Mr. REED. I insist on the point which I have made, that there­ speak more than once on an appeal from the decision of the Chair,'' quest, in order to be admissible, should have been made by the gen­ which implies that it is debatable. · tleman himself. I want to bring this point distinctly before the House Mr. GROSVENOR. I wish to haYe :five minutes. and the Chair. I believe that the question whicll the gentleman from The SPEAKER. The Chair will hear the gentleman. Illinois [Mr. SPRINGER] has just now asked is a very pertinent one­ Mr. GROSVENOR. Mr. Speaker, two questions are involved here. that is, if the House, upon the motion of one member, voted to excuse On one of these questions I am clear the Chair is right. The rules of another member from an official act, whether it could have any effect this body must have an intelligent, straightforw_ard, common-sense as against the member's will. The fonndation of such a request mus1r construction. And all questions of doubt ought to be decided so that be the wish and consent of the member himself: the business of the House can proceed. · The SPEAKER. But when a. gentleman moves to excuse another The SPEAKER. The gentleman can obviate the difficulty by con­ member from voting, that gentleman being present in the Hall and not sent of the House. The Chair can submit to the House the question disclaiming that motion, the Chair of course proceeds on the assump­ whether it is competent for one member to move to excuse another tion-- member from voting. ' Mr. REED. We do not know whether he is present or not. l'lfr. LONG. Let that be done. The SPEAKER. The presumption is that the gentleman desires to The SPEAKER. If that were done, the Honse would vote directly )lave the motion made. upon that one question. · Mr. REED. We do not know whether he is presentornot. He has M.r. GROSVENOR. Can that be done except by unanimous con­ not shown himself. I submit to the Chair this is a grave question. sent? The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Tennessee was certainly pres­ The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks it can be done, _if the appeal is ent in his seat when the motion was made. withdrawn. 2712 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. APRIL 4,

Mr. REED. It can be of course submitted by the Speaker in that be reasonable and in the direction of going forward and not backward. form. That is a canon of construction of all rules of parliamentary procedure. The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks that it is not inconsistent with Now, l\fr. Speaker, we are making history here jnsD- now. We are the practice of the Honse t.o submit questions of this character :for the putting weapons into the hands of a minority of this House absolutely judgment and determination of the House; but in doing this the Chair destructive of the power of the people of this country to be represented wishes to state that there is no disposition on his part to avoid the in this Government at all. .And I appealtothe Speaker of this llouse effect of an appeal to the House, nor has the Chair any feeling as to not to force the House either to overrule him-which none of us would what may be the decision of the House upon that appeal. like to do-or else to make a law for this House which will imperil Mr. REED. We understand that; and this would avoid a difficulty every interest in the country. Such a ruling if made will perpetuate that we all wish to a'"oid. its evil consequences far along our futuro pathway. Mr. GROSVENOR. I object to being taken off the :floor in that The SPEAKER. . The Chair has not expressed au opinion as to what way. the rule ought to be, but bas simply stated what, in his judgment, the The SPEAKER. The Chair does not desire to take the gentleman rule actually is. off the floor, but on the contrary has recognized him as entitled to the Ur. GROSVENOR. Before the Chair proceeds let me say ono word floor. more. I can not ima.,oine an exigency where a member of the House Mr. GROSVENOR. To JllY mind there is not anything plainer-it can properly and without any factious purpose be excused from voting seems to me that it is so plain the man who runs can understand it­ on a question of a recess. The very spirit of this whole matter of ex­ that if the Speaker is right in his first proposition-- cusing members goes ba()k into the great pa:tliamentary proposition that Ur. SOWDEN. Mr. Speaker-- no member of a parliamentary body shall be permitted to vote on a ques­ Mr. GROSVENOR. I have the floor, I believe. tion in which he has an interest. It might be remotely possible that Mr. SOWDEN. I want to withdraw the appeal. a member might have an interest in an adjournmentora recess; but I Mr. GROSVENOR. But you can not take me off the floor in that can not con~eive the makers of these rules ever contemplated that such way. It takes two men to do that, you and me both, and we are not a motion could be used for any other than merely dilatory purposes. operating together just now. [Laughter.] Not moving in the same Mr. CRISP. Let me suggest, it is not the province of the Speaker to direction, as it were. make n1les, but to construe them. If the Speaker l1as ruled rightly on the first proposition, that every Mr. GROSVENOR. But it is the province of the Speaker, as it is of member of this House may ask to be excused from voting on this ques­ courts, to construe rules in the spirit in which they were made, and to tion, then beyond all possibility of doubt the second question has been workout the legislative intent with which they were framed. properly ruled by the Speaker. The language of the rule does not ad­ Mr. CRISP. From the necessity of the case, of course, as a lawyer mit of a construction that repeals the langunge of the rule and substi­ the gentleman understands, there may arise cases when there must be tutes other language in its stead. It declares expressly: a construction o:( what appears a plain rule. From the necessity of the Unless, on motion, * * * he shall be excused. case it has been held that this motion to excuse a member from voting Excused how? Not upon his own motion, but by the action of the could not be made upon a motion to adjourn or a motion to adjourn Honse; and this is a simple attempt here to get out of a position that over. Why? Because if it could be then the Ho~e might never ad­ is absolutely absurd, for we are asked by it to admit that the first prop­ journ, and the necessity of the case demands that construction. osition is right and the second wrong. If the first position is correct, But is the same thing true in rega1·d to a recess? Suppose the House the last one is necessarily so. Because, Ur. Speaker, if every member never takes a recess, whatistheharm done? The necessity, therefore, of this House had a right to be excused by a vote of the House, then for construing the rule arises here. The gentlem&n invokes the Speaker the language of that rule can not be substituted by undertaking to say to make a rule. I hold it is the duty of the Presiding Officer to con­ that you will construe the language to mean that it is a personal priv­ strue the rules we have made. If they are wrong let us change them. ilege of a member. I have the right to ask for leave of absence for 1\Ir. GROSVENOR. We have at leastaright to protest against this any member, and to ask that he be excused. The rule is absolutely ruling, although we may avail i>nrselves of it afterwards. plain in that respect, and can not be repealed by a construction like Mr. McMILLIN. It is but just I should state I was present when that. The member may be heard to ask that a member be granted the motion was made by the gentleman from Arkansas. It was not leave of absence, or that he be excused from voting. Surely one mem­ made without my consent. I was and am now paired with the gentle­ ber may state a question of privilege for another if the House is in­ man from Kansas [Mr. ANDERSON] until a future hour of this session. volved. I have tried to find the pair but could not, and I did not know whether But n. moment further. Is it possible that we have lived up to this it in terms leaves me the 1·ight to vote to make a quorum when the time, almost one hundred years oflegislative existence in this country, question that no quorum has voted is made or not. The question of no nnd have learned this in legislative matters now for the first time, that quorum voting~ was made, and the gentleman from Arkansas moved that upon every question presented to this House I may be excused from I be excused from voting on the pending proposition. I will not go voting, and if I can get one-fifth of the members of the Honse then now, of course, into the merits of that discussion. Those are the facts, present to sustain me in the demand for the yeas and nays can have and I have thought it proper I should state them to the House. 650 roll-calls of this House upon everyq~tion except the question to Mr. SOWDEN. I withdraw the appeal from the ruling of the Chair adjourn or to adjourn over? That is the far-reaching effect of this in order to allow the Speaker to submit to the House the question whether proposition. a motion to excuse a member who is present from voting can be made I may make a motion that a particular member be excuse

· ' 1E88 . . . _CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 2713

when a motion is made to excuse a member it must be made with his Mr. WILSON, of Minnesota. I desire to occupy but a moment, for consent? the time of the House is very valuable. In my judgment, the House The SPEAKER. The Chair is"not now making any decision. The can not overrule the ruling or suggestion of the Speaker in this case question which the Chair has submitted is whether it is competent for without arriving at an absurd conclusion. The first clause of the rule one member to move to excuse another member from voting. provides that- 1\Ir. REED. Under t.he present circumstances? Every member shall be present within the Hall of the House during its sit-. Mr. CRISP. The gentleman from Tennessee is present and has as­ tings, unless excused or necessarily prevented- sented to the motion being made. The question is as to the meaning of this word ''excused ''- The SPEAKER. The Chair is aware of that; but the Chair does and shall Yote on each question put, unless on motion made before division or not de..c:;ire to go beyond the question which he submits to the House the commencement of the roll-call and decided without debate, he sh.."111 be ex­ to decide. cused. Mr. BURROWS. I desire to inquire whether the Chair is to be un­ Now, I think every one m~st admit that the word "excused," as derstood as holding that upon a motion to take a recess a motion to ex­ used in the second clause of this paragraph, has the same meaning as cuse a member is in order? when used in the first clause. This position is in accordance with a The SPEAKER. The Chair did so hold. The Chair entertained the well-known rule of construction. Now, if in construing the second motion to excuse a member from voting upon a motion to take a recess, clause, we arrive at the conclusion that a member can be excused only and entertained the motion made by a gentleman other than the one to on his own motion, then we must decide that under the first clause he be excused. can be excused only on his own motion. So that a member not present M:r. BUCKALEW. :Mr. Speaker, it is understood that a motion to could not be excused at all from attendance at the sittings of the House. excuse a member is made only at his instance or at his request. Ordi­ A MEMBER. Though he in.ight be sick in bed. narily a member rises and asks to be excused from voting. He pever Mr. WILSON, of Minnesota. I submit that according to any fair and makes the motion to excuse himself. Who ever heard of such a thing? reasonable construCtion of this rule the decision of the Speaker is cor­ Some other member makes the motion. Now, the only point in this rect. This is a matter which reaches beyond the present question­ case about which there can be any cavil is that the gentleman did not which does not terminate here; and we ought to decide it on principle. rise in his place and request somebody else to make the motion to ex­ Mr. MORGAN. When a member makes a motion in the interest of cuse him. He says he knew of it, and that it was made with his ap­ another member, it is not to be presumed that he does so at the other's probation. In all cases the motion to excuse is made by some one request? other than the member to be excused. Therefore there is nothing to Mr. WILSON, of Minnesota. Of course. be submitted to the House, unless we are to make a rule that a mem­ Mr. MORGAN. And the rule applies-q-uifacit per alium,facit per se. ber desiring to be excused from voting must rise and request some Ur. McMILLIN. Mr. Speaker, I have stated the circumstances other member to move that he be excused. under which the motion of the gentleman from Arkansas was made. The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks the gentleman himself might I rise now for the purpose of requesting him to withdraw that motion, make a motion to excuse himself. not b-ecause it was made wit.hout my consent or knowledge originally, Mr. BUCKALEW. But I speak of the practice. but because I think it the quickest solution of the trouble, and because Mr. DUNN. If it is the desire of our friends on the other side to I think that he and I would regret if there should be established here change the rule, I suggest that it would be better to make a distinct any rule which might work impropriety in the future. The Speaker's rule and adopt it regularly, so that there may be no mistake about it. ruling is beyond all question perfectly sound. No argument can over· We have not even a hypothetical case to go upon. I _presume nobody ride the plain ru1e. But in the present temper of the House, as the desires to say that no member shall under any circumstances move to Speaker bas indicated a purpose to submit the question to the House, excuse another member. · Exigencies and emergencies might arise in it is possible an unsound decision might be made, and I am desirous which that must be done, necessarily and in good faith, and not for that whatever rUlings may be made here shall be the correct rules for the mere purpose of delay. It would be much more decorous, there­ the proper government of this body. The rule is plain, and can not fore, to make a rule which would prohibit that, if such is the desire of be made clearer by construction. I have tried under all circumstances . the House, than to attempt to deal with the question in this way. to recognize in my action here the rules of the House and the Constitu­ Mr. REED. Mr. Spe~ker, why would not a good way to get out of tion under which they are framed, and shall nt all times continue to the difficulty be to withdraw the proposition at this time? We ha>e do so. I hope the gentleman from Arkansas will withdraw the mo­ stumbled upon it without preparation on the part of anybody, and there tion. are no real rights waived by withdrawing it, because the filibl:ij)tering Mr." GROSVENOR. There would be nothing gained by that. Noth­ motions-to use that language-are ample and abundan~ without re­ ing will be settled. sorting to this. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. Mr. Speaker, of course my Mr. DUNN. I think so myself. withdrawal of the motion can not alter the language of the rule or ef­ :Mr. REED. In this way no rights will be lost and we shall be re­ fect any permanent settlement of this question. I have no desire, lieved from a question that we have come upon thus suddenly withon t however, to persist in any motion which may work any particular in­ having, perhaps, the necessary information to decide it properly. That convenience. Of course gentlemen understand that I am frankly and is the spirit by which I am personally actuated in this matter. We positively opposed to the bill we have under consideration. all of us are interested, not merely in the momentary transactions 'fhe rule declares its meaning in express terms. Nothing is depend­ which are going on here, but in preserving the discipline and good order ent upon irrfplication. It is equally clear that in the rulings of the of the House, and it is very undesirable that we should come into con­ various occupants of the Chair, beginning, I think, back in the Thirty­ flict upon such questions as this without more full and careful consid­ second Congress, no exception has been made upon this question, e· eration. If we do we may get some decision which may plague us all. cept where the rule seemed to conflict with tbe·constitutional pl .. - ~ I feel myself, and I believe that I am speaking the sentiment of the ma­ of the House to adjourn. But as a measure bearing upon this moment, jority of this House and, I hope, of all the members, that we should get without having, so far as I c..'ln see, any permanent bearing, I withdmw out of this matter without establishing a precedent which may plague the motion which I made that the gentleman from Tennessee be ex­ either the one side or the other, and, above aU, interfere with the pub­ cused from voting. [Cries of ';Regular order! ''] lic business a~ some future time. Ur. GROSVENOR. I rise to a parliamentary inquiry; and I want Ur. HERBERT. It seems to me that the gentleman from M:aine to be heard as fairly as the gentleman from Arkansas has been. I sim­ [Mr. REED] is right; and I therefore suggest that he mo~ an adjourn­ ply wish to inquire now of the Chair whether the ru1ing which the Chair ment, so that we may all go home and study up this question and come has made, which, if unappealed from, be~omes a rule of the House, is back here prepared to decide it properly. [La.ughter.] · understood to stand, notwithstanding the withdrawal of the motion of Mr. REED. I did not intend to be facetious about the matter. Per­ the gentleman from Arkansas. haps if I did, I might be as successful as the gentleman from Alabama. The SPEAKER. As the Chair supposes, all that bas been said here Mr. McCREARY. I agree with the gentleman from Maine that we will stand on record as a part of the proceedings of the House. So far have come suddenly upon a very important proposition. The appeal as the present occupant of the Chair is concerned, be desires to say he taken by the gentleman from Pennsylvania LMr. SOWDEN] has been would not hesitate to -give this question a very thorough re-examina­ vi thdrawn, and the regular business, perhaps, would be to go on and tion if it should be again presented. As has already been remarked, take a vote upon the motion made to excuse the gentleman from Ten­ the question arose suddenly and unexpectedly. The Chair has given nessee [:Mr. McMILLIN]; but as this is a very important question, one his best judgment from the examination made. that I think is far-reaching and worthy of careful consideration, I feel Mr. GROSVENOR. I only wanted to say-- that we ought to take time to consider it, and therefore I now move to 1\Ir. RANDALL. I do not understand the Chair to have decided any­ adjourn. [Criesof ''No!" "No!"] thing except that the mere motion was in order. Mr. REED. That is not the spirit in which to receive the proposi­ The SPEAKER. That is all that the Chair decided. The Chair en- tion I haYe made. tertained the motion. The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks the appeal from its decision was Mr. RANDALL. Yes, sir. withdrawn with the understanding that the Chair would submit the [Cries of "Regular order!"] question to the House. The SPEAKER. The Clerk will proceed to call the roll upon the :Mr. McCREARY. I withdraw the motion to adjourn. question of agreeing to the amendment of the gentleman from Ohio, 2714 CONGRESSIONAL REOORD-HOUSE. APRIL '4,

which is that the House take a recess until to-morrow mol'ning at 10 Blanchard, Ford, Lynch, Rusk Bland, Forney, 1\lalfett, Ryan', o'clock. Bliss, French, 1\Iahoney, Sayers, Mr. BUCHANAN. I call for the enforcement of paragraph 7 of Blount, Funston, Martin, Scott, RuJe XIV. If we are to stay here all night, we want to have the air Breckinridge, .Ark. Gaines, Matson, SculJ, Hreckinridge, Ky. Gay, 'McComas, Seney, of the Hall as pure as possible. Brower, Gibson, 1\IcOreary, Sherman, The SPEAKER. The gentleman from New Jersey, as the Chair un­ Buckalew, Glass, McCullogh, Smith, derstands, calls for the enforcement of the rule which prohibits smok­ Burnes, Glover, McKinney, Snyder, Burnett, Granger, McMillin, Spinola, ing in the Hall. The officers of the House will enforce the rnle. Burrows, Greenman, McRae, - Spooner, Mr. McMILLIN. I move the House do now adjourn. Butler, Grimes, 1\fcShane, Springer, Mr. EZRA. B. TAYLOR. Is that in order? Bynum, Hall, Merriman, Stephenson, The SPEAKER. The House will please come to order; so the Chair Campbell, F., N.Y. Hare, Mills, Stewart, Tex. Campbell, Ohio I Harmer, Mo2it~. Steuart, Ga. can proceed regularly with the business ~ Campbell, T.J.,N.Y.Hatch, Montgomery, Stockdale, It is in order. It has been frequently decided, as gentlemen will Candler, Hayden, Moore, Sb·ublc, Oarlton, Hayes, Morgan, Tarsney, find by looking at the Digest, that ordering the yeas and nays on a Catchings, Herbert, Morl"ill, Taylor, J. D., Ohio pending proposition is itself sufficient intervening business to justify a Clardy, Hermann, MoTrow, Thomas, Dl. repetition of the motion to adjourn. Clements, Hiestand, Morse, Thompson, Ohio Cobb, Bitt, Norwood, Thompson, Cal. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of .Arkansas. Pending that, I move that Coeluan, Hooker, Oates, Tillman, when the House adjourns to-day, it adjourn to meet on Monday next. Collins, Hopkins, N.Y. O'Donnell, Townshend, Jl.fr. REED. Is that in order pending the roll-calL Cowles, Howard, O'Neall, Ind. Turner, Ga. Cox, Budd, O'Neill, Mo. Vance, Mr. Mcl\IILLIN. I move to amend by inserting that when the Crain, Hutton, Outhwaite, W nshington, House adjourns to-day, it adjoum to meet on Friday next. Crisp, Johnston, N.C. Owen, Weaver, l\Ir. .ANDERSON, of Illinois. .And I move to amend so that when Culbei•son, Jones, . Payson, Wheeler, Cutcheon, Kelley, Peel, White,N. Y. the House adjourns to·day, it adjourn to meet on Saturday next. Dargan, Ketcham, Penington, Whiting, Mich. l\fr. REED. Is that in order during the call of the roll? DaYenport, Kilgore, Perkius Whitthorne, The SPEAKER. There has been no call of the roll. Davidson, Ala.. La:ft'oon, Peters, ' 'Vilber, Dandson, Fla. Lagan, Phelan, Wilkins, Ur. REED. Is it in order to amend pending the call of the roll? Dingley, Laird, Phelps, Wilson, 1\Iinn. The SPEAKER. The Chair will refer to the decisions. The Clerk Dockery, Landes, Pidcock, Wilson, W.Va.. will read. Dougherty, Lane, Rayner, Wise, Dunn, Lanham, Richardson, 'Voodburn, The Clerk read aB follows: Enloe, Lawler, Robertson, Yardley, A motion to adjonTn may be repeated, alth9.ugh no question has been put Ermentrout, Lee, Rockwell, Yoder. and decided since the former motion-Journal, first 'session Twenty-third Con­ Fisher, Lodge, Rogers, gress, page 651-but there must be some intervening business. A motion to Foran, Lyman, Russell, Mass. adjourn over can not be repeated unless there has been int~rvening business, and a. motion to adjourn is not such business. No quorum voting. The following additional pairs were announced Mr. REED. Is it in order to move to adjourn over during a roll­ for this day: call? J\Ir. LAFFOON with Mr. O'DONNELL. The SPEAKER. It hM priority over a motion to adjourn. Mr. PHELAN with Mr. BUTLER. llfr. LONG. Has not the House once already refused to adjourn Mr. CLEMENTS with Mr. McADoo. over? Mr. BURNES with Mr. MORRILL. The SPEAKER. It has. 1\Ir. MAHONEY with Mr. HOPKmS, of New York, JI.Ir. LONG. When the House has refused to adjourn over can that J\Ir. NORWOOD with Mr. BURROWS. motion be repeated? l'lfr. GLASS with Mr. HoUK. l'he SPEAKER. It has been decided frequently that the House has Mr. KILGORE with Mr. l\10RROW, on this bill. it always in its power to adjourn over just as it has to adjourn, and the Mr. WISE with Mr. ABBOTT, on this bill. same motion may l'>e repeated. Mr. BYNUM with Mr. .A.NDERSO~, of lllinois, on this vote. l\Ir. LO~G. It is st!1ted in the Digest that a motion to postpone Mr. RUSK with Mr. HERBERT, on this vote. ton. day certain being decided adversely, it shall not be repeated. Mr. LYUAN with l\Ir. OWENS, on this vote. The SPEAKER. That is, a motion to postpone bills or other prop- Mr. STEW .ART, of Texas, with Mr. LATHAM, on this bill. .M:r. STEW­ ositions. This is a motion to adjourn over to Saturday next. ART wouJd vote against the bill; Mr. LATHAM for it. Mr. REED. I demand the yeas and nays. 1\ir.l\fcMILLIN with l\1r. ANDERSON, of Kansas, on the pending The- yeas and nays were ordered. bill until 7 p. m., except on motions to adjourn. The question was taken; and there were-yeas 0, nays 142, not Mr. HERMANN with l\Ir. DOCKERY, untilll o'clock p. m. voting 182; as follows: Tbe result of the vote was announced as above recorded. YEAS-<>. The SPEAKER. No quorum has voted. N.AY8-142. l\1r. REED. I move a call of the House. Allen, 1\Iass. Davis, Kean, Romeis, Mr. McMILLIN. I move that the House do now adjourn. Allen, Mich. DeLano, Kennedy, Rowell, The SPEAKER. Those are the only motions in order. Baker, N.Y. Dibble, Kerr, Rowland, Baker, ill. Dorsey, La Follette, Russell, Conn. The gentleman from Maine moves a call of the House, pending which Bayne, Dunham, Laidlaw, Sawyer,­ the gentleman from Tennessee moves that the IIouse do now adjourn. Belden, Elliott, Latham, Seymour, The question is first upon the motion to adjourn. Boothman, Farquhar, Lehlbach, Shaw, Bound, Felton, Lind, Shively, Several members demanded the yeas and nays. Boutelle, Finley, Long, ~ Simmons, The yeas and nays were ordered. Bowden, Fitch, 1\Iacdonald, Sowden, The question was taken; and there were-yeas 24, nays 111, not vot­ Bowen, Flood. Maish, Stahlnecker, Brewer, Fuller, l'tfansur, Steele, ing 189; as follows: Browne,T. H.B.,Va.Gallinger, Mason, Stewart, Vt. YE.A.S-24. Browne, Ind. Gear, McAdoo, Stone, Ky. Allen, Miss. Compton, 'Howarci, Springer, Brown, Ohio. Gest, 1\IcClammy, Stone, Mo. Anderson, Iowa Cummings, Lagan, Stockdale, Brown, J. R., Va. Golf, McCormick, Symes, Ande1·son, Miss. Grimes,· 1\Icl\I ill in, Stone, Ky. Brumm, Grosvenor, McKenna, Taulbee Burnes, Hemphill, Montgomery, Walker, Bryce, Grout, McKinley, Taylor, E. B., Ohio Breckinridge, Xy. Hogg, Neal, Whecle1·, Bucha.nan, Guenther, .lllilliken, Thomas, Ky• Clements, Holman, Shi~ely, Whiting, 1\Iich. Bunnell, Haugen, Neal, Thomas, Wis. Butterworth, He'ard, Nelson, •rracey, NAY8-lll. Cannon, Hempilill, Newton, Turner, Kans. Allen, :Mass. Cheadle, Greenman, Long, Caruth, Henderson, Iowa. Nichols, Vandever, Alleu, Mich. Chipman, Grosvenor, 1\Iahoncy, Caswell, Henderson, N.C. Nutting, Wade, Anderson, Kans. Clark, Grou~, ~!a son, · Cheadle, Henderson, ill. O'Ferrall, Walker, Baker, N ..Y. Cogswell, Guenther, l\IcOiarruny, Chipman, Hires, O'Neill,Pa.. Warner, Baker, Ill. Cooper, Heard, l\IcCormick, Clark, Hogg, Osborne, Weber, Bayne, Crouse, Henderson, Iowa :McCreary, Cogswell, Holman, Parker, West, Bound, Dalzell, Henderson, N. 0. 1\fcKinley, Compton, Holmes, Patton, White, Ind. Boutelle, Darlington, Henderson, Dl. Nelson, Conger, Hopkins, Dl. Perry, Whiting, 1\iass. Bowden, DeLano, Hires, Nichols, Cooper, Hopkins, Va. Plumb, Wickham, Bowen, Dibble, Holmes, O'Ferrull Cothran, Houk, Post, Wilkinson, Browne, T.H.B.,Va..Dorsey, Hopkins, Dl. O'Neill, P'a. Crouse, Ho,·ey, Pug;~ley, Williams, Browne, Ind. Elliott, Hopkins, Va. Osborne, Cummings, Hunter, Randall, Yost. Brown, J. R.,Va. Farquhar, Hovey, Parker, Dalzell, Jackson, Reed, Brumm, Finley, Jackson, Patton, Da1·lington, Johnston, Ind. Rice, Bryce, Fitch, Johnston, Ind. Penington, Buchanan, Flood, Johnston, N. 0. Plumb, NOT VOTING--182, Bunnell, Fuller, Kean, Post, Abbott, Anderson, Miss. Atkinson, Barry, Campbell, F., N.Y. Gallinger, Kennedy, Pub"Sley, Adams, Andet·son, Ill. Bacon, Belmont, Cannon, Gear, Kerr, Reed, Allen, Miss. Anderson, Kans. Bankhead, Biggs, Caruth, Gest, Laidlaw, Rice, Anderson, Iowa Arnold, Barnes, Bingham, Caswell, Goff, Lehlbach, Romeis, 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. 2715

Rowell, Sowden, Thomas, Ky. White, Ind. Mr. IJ..OPKINS, of illinois. I do not know that he has. He was Rowland, Stahlnecker, ThomastJVis. White, N.Y. Russell, Conn. Steele, Turner, .~S-ans. Whiting, Mass. called a'ijay suddenly. Ryan, Stewart, Vt·. Vandever, Wickham, The SPEAKER. Is there objection to excusing the gentleman from Sawyer, Stone, Mo. · Wade, Williams, illinois [Mr. ADAMS], he being absent from the city? Seymour, Symes, Warne1·, Yost. Simmons, Taylor, E. B., Ohio. Weber, There was no objection. Ur. LANHAM. I ask that my colleague, Mr. CuLBERSON, be ex­ NOT VOTING-189, cused on account of illness. He went home this afternoon. I also Abbott, Davidson, Fla. Lanham, Rayner Adams, Davis, Latham, Richardson, ask an excuse for my colleague, Me. MILLS, who is known to be sick. Anderson, 111. Dingley, Lawler, Robertson, There was no objection. Arnold, Dockery, Lee, Rockwell, M:r. PEEL. I ask an excuse for my colleague, ]fr. McRAE, on ac­ Atkinson, Dougherty, Lind, Rogers, Bacon, Dunham, Lodge, Russell, IIIass. count of illness in his family. Bankhead, Dunn, Lyman, Rusk There was no objection. Barry, Enloe, Lynch, say em, Ur. O'NEILL, of Pennsylvania. I ask that Mr. ALLEN, of Missis- Belden, Ermentrout, Macdonald, Scott, Belmont, Felton, Maffett, Scull, sin,pi, be excused on account of sickn~s. Bigg-3, Fisher, l'!Iaish, Seney, Heveral ~IBERS. Mr. ALLES is present. Bingham, Foran, Mansur, Shaw, Mr. OATES. I object. Blanchard, Ford, Martin, Sherman, Bland, Forney, Matson, Smith, The SF:EA.KER. The question is on ordering a call of the Honse. Bliss, French, McAdoo, Snyder, The question being taken, the Speaker stated that the "ayes'·' Blount, Funst-on, McComas, Spinola, seemed to have it. Boothman, Gaines, McCullogh, Spooner, Breckinridge, Ark. Gay, McKenna, Stephenson, Mr. OA.TES. I call for a division. Brewer, Gibson, McKinney, Stewart, Tex. The Honse divided; and there were-ayes 65, noes 24. Brower, Glass, l'llcRae, Stewart, Ga. Mr. OATES. I call for the yeas and nays. Brown, Ohio Glover, McShane, Struble, Buckalew, Granger, 1\Ierriman, Tarsney, The yeas and nays were ordered, 32 members voting therefor. Burnes, Hall, Milliken, Taulbee, '.rhe question was taken; and there were-yeas 130, nays 13, not Burnett, Hare. 1\Iills, Taylor, J.D., Ohio voting 181; as follows: Burrows, Harmer, 1\foffitt, Thomas, Ill. Butler, Hatch., l'lfoore, Thompson, Ohio YEAS-130. Butterworth, Haugen, 1\forgan, Thompson, Cal. Allen, Mass. Davis, Jackson, Plumb, Byn urn, Hayden, Morrill, Tillman, Allen, Mich. Dibble, Johnston, Ind. Post, Campbell, Ohio Hayes, Mon·ow, Tracey, Anderson, Iowa. Dingley, Kerr, Pugsley, Campbell,T. J.,N.Y.Herbert, 1\I()r e, Townshend, Anderson, Kans. Dorsey, Ketcham, Rice, Candle1·, Hermann, Newton, Turner, Ga. Baker, N.Y. Elliott, Laffoon, R<;>meis, Carlton, Hiestand, Norwood, Vance, Baker, 111. Enloe, La Follette, Rowell, Catchings, Hitt, Kntting, Washington, Bayne, Farquhar, Lagan, Rowland, Clardy, Hooker, Oates, Weav-er, Boothman, Felton, Laidlaw, Russell, Conn. Cobb, Hopkins, N.Y. O'Donnell, West, Bound. Finley, Lehlbacb, Russell, Mass. Cockran, Honk, 0 ' Neall, Ind. Whitthorne, Boutelle, Fitch, Lind, Ryan, Collins, Hudd, O'Neill, Mo. 'Vilber, Bowden, Flood, T.-

Symes, Tracey, Wheeler, Wilson,W. Va. M:r. CULBERSON: Excused. Tarsney, Townshend. White, Ind. Wise Taulbee, Turner, Ga. Whiting, MaS!!. Woodburl!, Mr. CUTCHEON. Taylor, :J.D., Ohio Turner, Kans. Whiting, Mich. Yardley, Mr. GROSVENOR. Mr. Speaker, Mr. CUTCHEON was hardly able Thomas, lll. Vandever, Whitthorne, Yoder. to be in the House to-day on account of illness, and I ask that he be Thompson, Ohio. Washington, WWililki:~nr's Thompson,Cal. Weaver, excused. Tillman, 'Vest, \Vilkins~n, There was no o~jection, and H was so ordered. So a call of the House was ordered. Mr. DARGAN: No excuse offered. The SPEAKER. The Clerk wilt call the roll. Mr. DAVENPORT: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. O'FERRALL. I ask that my colleague, Mr. LEE, may be ex- Mr. DAVIDSON, of Alabama. No excuse offerecl. cused on account of sickness. · . Mr. DOCKERY: No excuse offered. The SPEAKER. The Chair will state that after the first call of the Mr. DouGHERTY: No excuse offered. roll the names of gentlemen who failed to respond will be again called, Mr. DUNHAM. and that will be the time to offer excuses. It will be done in better Mr. MASON. Mr. Speaker, I ask that Mr. ADAMS, Mr. DUNHAM, order at that time. • and Mr. LAWLER be excused on account of sickness in their families. The Clerk proceeded to call the roll, when the following-named mem- The SPEAKER. Mr. ADAMS has already been excused. bers fulled to answer: · Mr. MASON. Then I ask that Mr. DUNHAM and Mr. LAWLER be Adams, Dargan, Kelley, Rayner, excused. · AllCil, 1\fis.:;. Davenport, Laird, Richardson, There was no objection, and it was so ordered. Arnold, Davidson, .Ala. Lawler, Rockwell, Mr. DUNN. Atkinson, Dockery, Lee, Rogers, Bacon, Dougherty, Lodge, Rusk, Mr. PEEL. I ask that my colleague, Mr. DuNN, be excused on ac- Belmout, Dunham, Maffett, Scott, count of ill health. Bigg-s, Dunn, 1\Iatson, Scull, There was no objection, and it was so ordered. Biugham, Fisher, McComas, Sherman, Bland, Foran, McCullogh, Snyder, Mr. FISHER. llli s, Ford, 1 McKinney, Spinoln., Mr. MACDONALD. Mr. Speaker, I 1.mderstand that Mr. FISHER Boutelle, Gaines, McShane, Spooner, has leave of absence. Brower Gny, Merriman, Stewart, Tex. Browne', Ind. Gib on, Milliken, Stewart, Ga. The SPEAKER. Then he is excused under the rule. Buchanan, Glass, Mills, Struble, Mr. FORAN: No excuse offered. Burnes, Glover, Moffitt, Taulbee, Mr. FORD: No excuse offered. nm·nett, Granger, :1\Iorgan, Taylor, :J.D., Ohio Butler, Hall,l Morriij, Thomas, Ill. Mr. GAINES. Campbell, Ohio Harmer, :1\forse, Thompson, Ohio Mr. BOWDEN. My colleague, Mr. GAINES, has leave of absence. Carlton, Hatch, Norwood, Thompson, Cal. He could not be here this evening. Catchings, Hayden, O'Donnell, Tracey, If Clardy, Hayes, O'Neall, Ind. Townshend, The SPEAKER. the gentleman bas leave of absence he is excused Cockran Hermann, O'Neill, Mo. West, under the rule. Collins, ' Hiestand, Outhwaite, White, Ind. Mr. GAY. Cothran, Hitt, Perkins, Whitthorne, Cox:, Holman, Perry, Wilber; Mr. LAGAN. Mr. Speaker, I ask thn.t my colleague, Mr. GAY, be Crain, Honk, Peters, Wilkins, excused on account of indisposition. Culberson, Hudd, Phelps, Wise. There was no objection, and it was so ordered. Cutcheon, :Jones, Pidcock, Woodburn. Mr. GIBSON. The SPEAKER. The Doorkeeper will close the doors of the Hall. Mr. SHAW. I ask that my colleague, Mr. GIBSON, be excused on Ur. HOWARD. Mr. Speaker, I was present when my name wns account of indisposition: He has been unwell for several days. called, but failed to answer. There was no objection, and it was so ordered. The SPEAKER. The Clerk will call the names of gentlemen who Mr. GLASS: Excused. failed to respond on the first call. The Chair will state that it will be Mr. GLOVER: No excuse offered. proper upon this roll-call for gentlemen, when their names are callad, Ur. GRANGER. to offer excuses, if they have any, or to ask 1.eave of absence for the Mr. VANCE. Mr. Speaker, I ask that my colleague, Mr. GRANGER evening. be excused on account of ill hefl!lth. He had t.o leave the Honse o~ The Clerk proceeded to call the roll of absentees, as follows: that account to-day. ?tlr. ADAMS: Excused. There was no objection, and it was so ordered. Mr. .ALLEN, of Mississippi. Mr. HALL: No excuse offered. Mr. TURNER, of Georgia. Mr. Speaker, I ask that Mr. ALLEN, of Mr. HARMER: No excuse offered. Mississippi, be excused on account of illness. Mr. HATCH: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. OATES. When the request was made awhile ago that l'tfr. AL­ Mr, HAYDEN: No excuse offered. LEN, of :Mississippi, should be excused, I objected; but subsequently I Mr. HAYES . learned that he was really sick, and therefore I withdraw the objec­ . Mr. ANDERSON, of Iowa. Mr. HAYES has gone home on account tion. of sickness in his family. I ask that he be excused. There.was no objection, and Ur. ALLEN, of Mississippi, was excused. There was no objection, aud it was so ordered. Ur. ARNOLD: No excuse offered. .&lr. HERMANN: No excuse offered. l\Ir. ATKINSON: No excuse offered. Mr. HIESTAND: No excuse offered. Mr. RACON: No excuse offered. Mr. HITT. Mr. BELMONT: No excuse offered. Mr. WHEELER. Mr. Speaker, Mr. HITT, whenleavingthe Hall re­ 1\Ir. BIGGS. quested me in case there should be a call of the House to ask that he Mr. MORROW. 1fr. Speaker, my colleague, Mr. BIGGS, is suffer- be excus~d on account of sickness in his family. ing from indisposition, and I ask that he be excused. There was no objection, and it was so ordered. There was no objection, and it was so ordered. Mr. HoLMAN: No excuse offered. Mr. BINGHAl\1: No excuse offered. Mr. Hourr: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. BLAND: No excuse offered. Mr. HUDD: No excuse offered. Mr. BLISS: No excuse offered. Mr. JONES: No excuse offered. Mr. BoUTELLE: No excuse offered. Mr. KELLEY: Excused. Mr. BROWER: No excuse offered. 1\fr. LAIRD: No excuse offered. Mr. BROWNE, of Indiana: No excus.~ offered. Mr. LEE Mr. BucHANAN: No excuse offered. Mr. O'FERRALL. 1\fr. ::Speaker, my colleague, Mr. LEE, hn.s been Mr. BURNES: No excuse offered. indisposed for some days, and I ask that he be excused. Mr. BURNETT: No excuse offered. There was no objection, and it was so ordered. Mr. BuTLER: No excuse offered. Mr. LODGE: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. CAMPBELL, of Ohio: No excuse offered. Mr. MAFFETT: No excuse offered. Mr. CARLTON: No excuse offered. Mr. MATSON: No excuse offered. Ir. CATCHINGS: No excuse offered. Mr. McCoMAS: No excuse offered. Mr. CLARDY. Mr. McCULLOGH: No excuse offered. Mr. TARSNEY. Mr. Speaker, Mr. CLARDY left the House this after- Mr. McKINNEY: No excuse offered. noon feeling unwell, and I ask that he be excused. 1 Mr. McSHANE: No excuse offered. There was no o~jection, and it was so ordered. Mr. MERRIM.AN. :M:r. CocKRAN: No excuse offered. Mr. TIMOTHY J. CAMPBELL. Mr. Speaker, I was requested by Ur. COLLINS: No excuse offered. Mr. MERRIMAN to state to the Hou&e that he was compelled to go to Mr. CoTHRAN: No excuse offered. New York on very important busin·ess, and I ask that he be excused. Mr. Cox: Excused. There was no objection, and it was so ordered. Mr. CRAL.~: No excuse offered. Mr. MILLIKEN: No excuse offered. - 1883: CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSEo 2717

Mr. MILLS: Excused. Several members o~jected. Ur. MOFFITT. Mr. WHITING, of Michigan. I ask that my colleague, Mr. FoRD, 1\Ir. CUMMINGS. Mr. Speaker, my colleague, Mr. MOFFITT, is ab­ be excused on account of sickness in his family . . sent from the city on important business, and I ask that he be excused. Mr. BRUMM. I object. Several 1\IE:\IBERS. For what reason? 1\Ir. REED. I move to dispflnse with further proceedings under the Ur. CUMMINGS. Because he was called away suddenly, and he is call. probably snowed up now. in Franklin County, New York, or h would The question being taken, there were-ayes 73, noes 16. be here. Mr. McMILLIN. No quorum. There was no objection, and it was so ordered. The SPEAKER. A quorum 1s not necessary on this question. Mr. MoRGAN: No excuse offered. Mr. OATES. I call for the yeas and nays. Mr. MoRRILL: No excuse offered. The yeas and nays were ordered. · Mr. MoRSE: No excuse offered. Mr. REED. Mr. Speaker, has the call developed the presence of a Mr. NORWOOD: No excuse offered. quorum? Mr. 0' DoNNELL: No excuse offered. The SPEAKER. Two hundred and sixteen members have responded Mr. O'NEALI... ; of Indiana: No excuse offered. to their names. Mr. O'NEILL, of Missouri: No excuse offered. 1\'Ir. REED. · Then a quorum is in attendance. Mr. OUTHWAITE. The question was taken; and it was decided in the affirmative­ Mr. YODER. My colleague, Mr. OUTHWAITE, has leave of absence. yeas 122, nays 38, not voting 164; as follows: The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio [Mr. OUTHWAITE] bas YEAS-122. leave of absence. Allen, Mass. Crouse, .Johnston, N.C. Romeis, Mr. PERKINS: No excuse offered. Allen, Mich. Dalzell, Kenn, Russell, Conn. Mr. PERRY: No excuse offered. Anderson, Iowa. Da1·lington, Kennedy, Russell, MlloSs. A nderson,l\Iiss. Davis, Kerr, Seymour, Mr. PETERS: No excuse offered. Anderson,Kans. Dibble, Ketcham, Simmons, Mr. PHELPS. Atkinson, Dorsey, La Follette, Sowden, Mr. KEAN. Mr. Speaker, my colleague, Mr. PHELPS, has been Baker, Ill. Elliott, Lagan, Springer, Blanchard, Ermentrout, Laidlaw, Stahlnecker, called home, I am very sorry to say, on account of the destruction of Boothman, Farquhar, Lehlbach, Stephenson, his residence by fire. I ask that he may be excused. Bound, Felton, Long, Stewart, Vt. The SPEAKER. The gentleman has been excused. Boutelle, Finley, Macdonald, Stockdale, Bowden, Flood, Mahoney, Stone, Mo. Mr. PIDCOCK: No excuse offered. Bowen, French, Mansur, Struble, Mr. RAYNER: No excuse offered. Browne,T .H.B., V a.. Fuller, Mason, Symes, Mr. RICHARDSON: No excuse offered. Brown, Ohio Funston, McCreary, Tarsnev, Brown, .J. R., Va. Gallinger, McKenna., Taylor, E. B., Ohio Mr. RocKWELL: No excuse offered. Brumm, Gear, 1\IcRae, Thomas, Ky. Mr. ROGERS: No excuse offered. Buckalew, Gest, Montgomery, Thomas, Wis. , Mr. RusK: No excuse offered. Bunnell, Goff, Nichols, Turner, Kans. 1 Burrows, Grout., Nutting, Vandever, Mr. ScoTT: No excuse offered. Bynum, Guenther, Oates, 'Valker, Mr. ScULL: No excuse offered. Campbell, T.J.,N.Y.Hare, O'Ferrall Weber, Mr. SHERMAN. Caruth, Heard, O'Neill, Pa. Wheeler, Caswell, Hemphill, Owen, White, N.Y. Mr. BAKER, of New York. I ask that my colleague, Mr. SHER- Cheadle, Henderson, Iowa Parker, Whiting, Mich. MAN, be excused on account of sickness. Chipman, Henderson, lll. Payson, Wickham, There being no objection, Mr. SHERMAN was excused. Clark. Hogg, Phela.n, Wilber, Cogswell, Hopkins, Ill. Post, Yardley, Mr. SNYDER: No excuse offered. Compton, Hovey, Pugsley, Yoder. Mr. SPINOLA: No excuse offered. Conger, Howard, Reed, Mr. SPOONER: No excuse offered. Cooper, Hunter, Rice, Mr. STEWART, ofTexas. NAYS-38. Mr. LATHAM. I have been requested by the gentleman fmm Texas Anderson, Ill. Hires, McClam my, Ryan, [Mr. STEWART] to ask that he be excused, on account of sickness in Belden, Holmes, McCormick, Sawyer, Brewer, Hooker, McKinley, Shively, his family. Campbell, F., N.Y. Hopkins, Va. Morrow, Smith, There being no objection, Mr. STEWART, of Texas, was excused. Cummings, Hopkins, N.Y. Neal, Stone, Ky. Mr. STEWART, of Georgia. DeLano, .Johnston, Ind. Nelson, Warner, Grosvenor, Laffoon, Osborne, Whiting, Mass. Mr. CRISP. My colleague, Mr. STEWART, is absent byleaveofthe Haugen, Lind, Patton, Wilkinson. House. Henderson, N.C. Lyman, Plumb, Mr. STRUBLE: No excuse offered. Herbert, Lynch, Rowland, Mr. TAULBEE: No excuse offered. NOT VOTING-164. Mr. JOSEPH D. TAYLOR: No excuse offered. Abbott, Culberson, Laird, Richardson, Mr. THOMAS, of Illinois. Adams, Cutcheon, Landes, Robertson, Mr. HERBERT. Mr. Speaker, I ask that the gentlemap. from Illi­ Allen, Miss. Dargan, Lane, Rockwell, Arnold, Davenport, Lanham, Rogers, noiS [Mr. THOMAS] be excused. He is not in health, and ought not to Bacon, Davidson, Ala. Latham, Rowell, be here. Baker, N.Y. Davidson, Fla. Lawler, Rusk, There being no objection, Mr. THOMAS, of illinois, was excused. Bankhead, Dingley, Lee, Sayers, Barnes, Dockery, Lodge, Scott, Mr. THOMPSON, of Ohio: No excuse offered. ! Barry, Dougherty, Maffett, Scull, :M:r. THOMPSON, of California: No excuse offered. Bayne, Dunham, Maish, Seney, Mr. TRACEY: No excuse offered. Belmont, Dunn, Martin, Shaw, Biggs, ' Enloe, Matson, Sherman, Mr. TOWNSHEND. Bingham, Fisher, McAdoo, Snyder, Mr. SPRINGER. Iaskleaveofabsencefor my colleague, Mr. TowN- Bland, Fitch, McComas Spinola, SHEND, who, I understand, is detained at home on account of sickness. Bliss, . Foran, l\fcCullogb, Spooner, Blount, Ford, McKinney, Steele, There being no objection, leave was granted. Breckinridge, Ark. Forney, McMillin, Stewart, Tex. Mr. WEST: No excuse offered. Breckinridge, Ky. Gaines, l\IcShane, Stewart, Ga.. Mr. WHITE, of Indiana: No excuse offered. Brower, Gay, Meniman, Taulbee, Browne, Ind. Gibson, Milliken, Taylor, .r. D., Ohio Mr. WHITTHORNE: No excuse offered. Bryce,1 Glass, Mills, Thomas, Dl. Mr. WILBER: No excuse offered. Buchanan, Glover, Moffitt, Thompson, Ohio 1\Ir. WILKINS: No excuse offered. Burnes, Granger, 1\foore, Thompson, Cal. Burnett·, Greenman, Jl,llorgan, Tillman, Mr. 'VISE: No excuse offered. Butler, Grimes, Morrill, Tracey, Mr. WOODBURN. Butterworth, Hall, l\Iorse, Townshend, Mr. MORROW. Mr. Spen.ker, Iaskthatthegentleman from Nevada Campbell, Ohio Harmer, Newton, Turner, Ga.. Candler, Hatch, Norwood, Vance, [Mr. WooDBURN] be excused oil account of sickness in his family. Cannon, Hayden, O'Donnell, Wade, There was no objection, and Mr. WooDBURN was excused. Carlton, Hayes, O'Neall, Ind. Washington, 1\Ir. WALKER. I ask that my colleague, Mr. BURNES, be excused Catchings, Hermann, O'Neill, Mo. Weaver, · Clardy, Hiestand, Outhwaite, West, on account of sickness. Clements, Hitt., Peel, White, Ind. There being no objection, Mr. BURNES was excused. Cobb, Holman, Penington, Whitthorne, Mr. McCREARY. I ask that my colleague, Mr. TAULBEE, be ex­ Cockran, Houk, Perkins, Wilkins, Collins, Hudd, Perry, Williams, cused. Cothran, Hutton, Peters, Wilson, Minn. Objection was made. Cowles, .Jackson, Phelps, Wilson, W.Va. 1\Ir. COGS"WELL. I ask ihnt my colleague, Mr. HAYDEN, be ex­ &?:hi, ~~f!y, ~~3~~: ;~~burn, cused on account ofSickness. Crisp, Kilgore. Rayner, Yost. Objection was made. Mr. ANDERSON, of Kansas. I ask that all absentees be excused on So the motion to dispense with all further proceedings under the caU account of indisposition. was agreed to. 2718 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. APRIL 4,

During the roll-call, Stewart, Tex. Thompson, Ohio Washington, Wilson, Minn. Stewart., Ga. Thompson, Cal. W eaver, Wilson, W. Va. Mr. WILLIAMS· said: Mr. Speaker, I came into the Hall as my name Stockdale, Tillm a n, West, was called, and I ask leave to vote. T a ulbee, . Townshend, White, Ind. ;~S:dburn. The SPEAKER. The Chair does not think the gentleman comes Taylor, .J. D., Ohio Turner, Ga. Whitlhorne, within the exception. Thomas, Ill. Vance, Wilkins, 1The following additional pairs were announced: So the motion to reconsider was not agreed to. Mr. HOLMAN with 1\:1r. BAYNE, on this vote. The Clerk t·ecapitulated the names of those voting. Mr. TAULBEE with Mr. BAKER, of New York, on this vote. 1\Ir. TAULBEE. ~Ir. Speaker, I desire t~ know if Mr. ALLEN, of Mr. PEEL with Mr. PERKINS, on this bill. Mississippi, has voted on this question? Mr. HERBERT with 1\:1r. ELLIOTT, on this bill, until10o'clock p.m. The SPEAKER. The names haYe just been read; but the Chair The vote was then announced as above recorded. tbinkR the gent.leman from Mississippi did not vote. Mr. BURROWS. 1\lr. Speaker, has a quorum voted? Mr. TAULBEE. Then I wish to withdraw my vote, inasmuch as I The SPEAKER. It has not. am paired with him, unless the withdrawal breaks a quorum. Mr. OATES. I move to reconsider the vote by which all further The SPEAKER. There is no quorum with the vote or without the proceedings under the call were dispensed with. vote of the gentleman. . The House divided; and there were-ayes 15, noes 39. The result of the vote was then announced as above recorded. ltfr. OATES demanded the yeas and nays. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. Does this la.st vote, announced The House divided; and there were-ayes 31. by the Chait, indicate the presence of a quorum. A MEMBER. Count the other side. The SPEAKER. There is no quorum present. The other side w;:ts counted, and there were-noes 73. Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I move that there be a call of So (one-fifth having voted in the affirmative) the yeas and nays were the House. ordered. Mr. DIBBLE. I make the point of order that that motion is not in 'l'be question was taken; and it was decided in the negative-yeas28, order. nays 130, not voting 166; as follows: The SPEAKER. Will the gentleman state the reason? The Chair understands that, according to the practice and the rules YEAS-28. of the Hou.se, when the roll-call discloses the fact that no quorum iB Belden, Ermentrout, Hutton, M:cCla mmy, Blanchard, Felton, .Johnston, Ind. N eal, present, but two motions are in order-for a call of the House, and to Buckalew, Fitch L andes, Owen, adjourn. The Chair does not think it required a quorum to determine Byi)um, Haye~, Lane, Springer, the last vote taken, but the roll-call disclosed the fact that no quorum Dalzell, Holma n, Lymn.n, Stone, Mo. Davis, Holmes, Lynch, Wheeler, is present. Delane}, Hoph."ins, N.Y. Mansur, Whiting, Mich. M:r. REED. But we have just had a call of the House, which dis­ NAYS-130. closed the fact that there were 216 members present. The SPEAKER. That iB true; but when a vote iB taken by yeas Allen, Mass. Farquhar, Lehlbach, Sawyer, Allen, Mich. Finley, Lind, Seymour, and nays that shows no quorum to be present, the House must take Anderson, Kans. Flood, Long, Shively, cognizance of the fact. Atkinson, Ford, M acdonald, Simmons, Mr. DIBBLE. Mr. Speaker, in the Thirty-third Congress-and I Baker, lll. French, Mahoney, Sowden, Boothman, Fuller, M aish, Stahlnecker, quote from the Journal of the first session of that Congress-Mr. Ezra Bound, Funston, :Ma son, Steele, Washburn, jr., moved a call of t.he House. The Speaker decided that Boutelle, Gallinger, McCJt'mi<:k, Stewart, Vt. motion to be out of order on the ground that the House had already, Bowden, Gear, . l\fcC1·eary, Stone, Ky. since the demand for the previous question, which was still pending, re­ Bowen, Gest, McKenna, Strul>le, Browne,T.H.B.,Va.Goff, McKin ley, Symes, fused a call, and thereby indicated a fixed purpose to vote upon the Brown, Ohio Greenman, :McK inney, Taraney, main question without a call. Brown, .J. R., Va. Grosvenor, 1\Iontgomuy, Taylor, E. B., Ohio That was after the refusal of the House to adjourn. seems to me Brumm, Grout, · 1\forro w, Thomas, Ky. It Bryce, Haugen, N elson, Thomas, Wis. that the House having now su.spended proceedings under the call, and Bunnell, Heard, Nichols, Tracey, having refused to reconsider that vote, it would not be in order to renew Butterworth, Hemphill, O'Ferrall, Turner, Kans. the motion for a call of the llouse. Campbell, F., N.Y. Henderson. N.C. O' N eill, Pa.. Vandever, Campbell,T. .J.,N.Y.Henderson, lll. Osborne, Wade. The SPEAKER. But the Chair does not see how the House can, Cannon, Hires, Parke r, Walker , when the record of a vote shows that no quorum is present, transact Caruth, Hogg, Patton, 'Varner, any other business except to proceed to a call of the House or to ad­ Caswell, Hopkins, lll. P ayson, \Veber, Cheadle, Hopkins, Va. Plumb, White, N.Y. journ. Chipman, Hovey, Post, Whiting, Mass. The proceedings to which the gentleman refers are a1so dlirerent from Clark, Hunter, Pugsley, Wickham, these. There the House had just refused to order a call. Cogswell, .Johnston, N.C. Reed, Wilber, Conger, Kea.n, Rice, Wilkinson, M:r. DIBBLE. The motion to adjourn would not be in order after Crouse, Kennedy, Romeis, Williams, it had just been voted down, and I do not see how you can repeat the Cummings, Kerr, Rowell, Yardley, motion for a call of the House under that ruling. Darlington, Laffoon, Rowla nd, Yoder. Dibble, La Foilette, Russell, Conn. Yost. The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks that it is always and necessarily Dorsey, Lagan, Russell, Mass, in the power of the House to compel theattendanceofits absent mem­ Elliott, Laird, Ryan. bers for the transaction of the public business. The last vote discloses NOT VOTIKG-166. the fact that no quorum is pres-ent, which fact the Chair thinks may be - Abbott, Cockran, Hayden, Morrill, disclosed a dozen times during a legislative day, and yet it must be Adams, Collins, Henderson, Iowa. Morse, always in the power of the House, in the eventoftheabsenceofaquo­ Allen, Miss. Compton, Herbert, Newton, Anderson, Iowa. Cooper, Hermann, Norwood, rum, to enforce the attendance ofits members. To deprive the House Anderson, Miss. Cothran, Hiestand, Nutting, of that power would destroy its functions as a legislative body. Anderson, lll. Cowles, Hitt, Oates, Mr. BURROWS. .May I ask to have the Clerk read upon this point Arnold, Cox, Hooker, O'Donnell, Bacon, Crain, Houk, O'Neall, Ind. an important decision for the information of the House? Baker, N. Y. Crisp, Howard, O'Neill, Mo. The SPEAKER. The gentleman will send it to the desk. Bankhead, Culberson, Hudd , Outhwaite, Mr. BURROWS. And I would like to have the attention of the Barnes, Cutcheon, .Jackson, Peel, Barry, Dargan, .Jon es, Penington, House while it is being read. Bayne, Davenport, Kelley , J:>erkins, The Clerk read as follows: Belmont, Davidson, Ala. Ketcham, Perry, 'tt is the duty of the House, especially in times of difficulty, to c~mpel the at­ Biggs, Davidson, Fla. K.iJ gore, Peters, tendance of members by frequent calls, and not permit the indolence, inatten­ Bingham., Dingley, L a idlaw, Phelan, tion, or love of amusement on the part of any to leave the most important Bland, Dockery, L a nha~, Phelps, and interesting questions to be discussed and decided in Houses from which Bliss, Dougherty, Latham, Pidcock, m any are absent. Blount, Dunham, Lawler, Randall, Breckinridge, Ark. Dunn, Lee, Rayner, [Applause.] Breckinridge, Ky. Enloe, Lodge, Richardson, Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. Does the Chair hold the mo­ Brewer, Fisher, M afl'ett, Robertson, Brol\-'er, Foran, Martin, Rockwell, tion for a call of the House to be in order? Browne, Ind. Forney, l\1atson, Rogers, The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks it is in order. The House can Buchanan, Gaines, _ l\fcAdoo, Rusk, not proceed to transact any other business in the absence of a quorum. Burnes, Gay, :McComas, Sa.yers, Burnett, Gibson, M cCullogh, Scott, Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. Then I submit that motion. Burrows, Glass, Me 1illin, Scull, M:r. 1\Ic::M:ILLIN. ::M:r. Speaker, it is evident that we can not come Butler, Glover, McRae, Seney, to a conclusion upon this subject to-night; and I move that the House Campbell, Ohio Granger, 1\lcShane, Shaw, Candler, Grimes, l\1erriman, Sherman, do now adjourn. Carlton, Guenther, l\1illiken, Smith, Mr. BURROWS. Is that motion not already pending? Cat

.. 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-- HOUSE. 2719 ~·

from Tennessee moved to amend by adjourning until Friday, and the Robertsoh, Simmons, Thomas, Ill. West, Rockwell, 'Smith, Thompson, Ohio White, Ind. gentleman from Illinois to amend that so as to adjourn to Saturday. Rogers, Snyder, Thompson, Cal. Whitthorne, The vote was taken and disclosed the fact that only 140 members were Husk, Spinola, Tillman, Wilkins, present. Thereupon a call of the Honse was ordered. Now, the last Sayers, Spooner, Townshend, Wilkinson, Scott, Stewart, Tex. Turner, Kans.- Viilson, l\linn. vote discloses the fact that there is no quorum present, and there are Scull, Stewart, Ga. Turner, Ga. Wilson, W.Va. but two motions before the Honse. Seney, Stone, Mo. Vandever, Wise, Mr. BURROWS. I did not know but that the motion of the gentle­ Shaw, Tarsney, Washington, Woodburn. man from Tennessee was still pending. Sherman, Taylor, .J. D:, Ohio Weaver, The SPEAKER. It is pending at the time when there is a quorum So tb.e motion t-o adjourn was not agreed to. in the Honse. Mr. GLOVER. I ask that the reading of the names be dispensed Mr. McMILLIN. And we will vote on it when there is a. quorum with. present. Objection was made. Mr. BURROWS. It does not require a quorum to adjourn. The result of the vote was announced as above stated. The SPEAKER. It does not require a quorum to vote on the mo· Mr. HERBERT. I ask that my colleague, Judge CoBB, be excused tion to adjourn, it is true; but the amendments fixing the day to which for the balance of the evening on account of ill health. the Honse shall adjourn require a quorum, and the House can not come The SPEAKER. Is there objection tothe request of the gentleman to a direct vote upon the original motion because of the fact that there from Alabama? was no quorum present upon the vote on the first amendment. There was no objection. Mr. BURROWS. But that was a motion to adjourn, and we now The SPEAKER. The question is now on the motion that there be have two motions to adjourn pending. a call of the House. The SPEAKER. The House.can not now vote on the questions which The question being taken, the Speaker stated that the ''ayes" had priority, because they are questions the decision of which requires seemed to have it. a mnjority of the House; and there is no majority of the Honse present Mr. OATES. I call for a division. according to the record. The question is on the motion to adjourn. The Honse divided; and there were-ayes 68, noes 9. Mr. WILLIA.MS. I call for the yeas and nays. 1\fr. OATES. I call for the yeas and nays. The yeas and nays were ordered. The yeas and nays were ordered, 41 memlJers voting therefor. _ The question was taken; and there were-yeas 19, nays 138, not The question was taken; and there were-yeas 140, nays 14, not voting 167; as follows: voting 170; as follows: • YEA8-19. YEAS-14.0. Clements, Henderson, N. C. Rowland, Vance, Allen, Mass. Davis, Kean, Rome is, Forney, Herbert, Russell, Mass. Walker, Allen, Mich. De Lano, Kennedy, Rowell, Hare. McClam my, Springer, 'Vheeler, Anderson, Kans. Dibble, Kerr, Rowland, Hatch, McKinney, Stockdale, Whiting, Mich. Atkinson, Dorsey, La Follette, Russell, Conn. Hemphill, Neal, Stone, Ky. Bacon, Dunham, Laidlaw, Russell, Mass. Baker, N.Y. Elliott, Laird, Sawyer, NAYS-138. Baker, Ill. Farquhar, Lehlbach, Seymour, Allen, 1\Iass. De Lano, Hunter, Randall, Bayne, Felton, Lind, Shaw, .Allen, Mich. Dibble, Jackson, Reed, Belden, Flood, Long, Shively, Anderson, Iowa Dorsey, Johnston, Ind. Rice, Boothman, Ford, Lyman, Sowden, Anderson, Kans. Elliott, Johnston, N.C. RQmeis, Bound, French, Lynch, Springer, Atkinson, Ermentront, Kean, Rowell, Boutelle, Fuller, l'tlacdonald, Stahlnecker, Bake1·, Ill. Farquhar, Kennedy, Russell, Conn. Bowden, Gallinger, Mahoney, Steele, Belden, Felton, Kerr, Ryan, Bowen,

Rockwell, Smith, Thompson, Ohio White, Ind, · The question was taken; and the motion was agreed to-ayes 70, nOes Rogers, Snyder, Thompson, Cal. Whiting, :Mich. Rusk, . Spinola, Tillman, Whitthorne. 47. H.ran, Spooner, Townshend, Wilkins, M:r. CoTHRAN: No excuse offered. Sayers, Stewru·t, Tex. Turner, Ga. Wilson, Minn. 1\Ir. Cox: Excused. S.cott, • Stewart, Ga. Vance, Wilson, W.Va. SculJ, Tarsney, Vandever, Wise, Mr. CuLBERSON: Excused. Seney, Taulbee, Washington, \Voodburn. Mr. CUTCHEON: Excused. Shermnn, Taylor, J. D., OhioWeaver, Mr. DARGAN: No excuse offered. Simmons, 'l'homas, lll. West, Mr. DAVENPORT: No excuse offered. ~ Ro a call of the House was ordered. 1\Ir. DAVIDSON, of Alabama: No excuse offered. Mr. GROSVENOR. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to dis­ Mr. DINGLEY: No excuse offered. pense with the reading of the names of members voting. I make the Mr. DocKERY: No excuse offered. request not for the sake of saving time, because we can fool away the Mr. DoRSEY: No excuse offered. time in some other way, but in the interest of the clerks, iu order that Mr. DOUGHERTY: No excuse offered. they may have a little rest from reading. 1\Ir. DuNN: Excused. Mr. ·OATES. I am very s~rry, but I shall have to object. Mr. FISHER: Excused. The following additional pairs were announced: 1\lr. ERl\IANTROUT: No excuse offered. l'\Ir. MILLS with Ir. PAYSON, for the rest of the day. 1\'Ir. FORAN: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. GRANGER with Mr. ANDERSOY, of Kansas, for the rest of the Mr. GAINES: Excused. day. Mr. GAY: Excused. The result of the vote was then announced as above recorded .. 1\{r. GIBSON: Excused. The SPEAKER. A call of the House is ordered, and the Clerk will. Mr. GLASS: Excused. call the roll. Gentlemen who are present will please answer to their Mr. GRANGER: Excused. names when called. Mr. HALL: No excuse offered. The Clerk proceeded to call the roll, when the following-named mem­ Mr. HARl\IER: No excuse offered. bers failed to answer: 1\Ir. HAYDEN: No excuse offro:ed. Adams, Ding1ey, Matson, Rogers, Mr. HERMANN: No excuse offered. Al1en, Miss. Dockery, 1\IcComas, Rusk, Anderson, Kans. Dorsey, • McCullogh, Scott-, Mr. HIESTAND: No excuse offered. Arnold, Dougherty, 1\IcShane, Scull, Mr. HITT: Excused. Belmont, Dunn, 1\Ierriman, Sherman, Mr. HUDD: No excuse offered. Biggs, Ermentrout, Milliken, Simmons, llingham, Fisher, 1\IiJls, Snyder, Mr. JoNES: No excuse offered. Bla nd, Foran, Moffitt, Spinola, Mr. KELLEY: Excused. Bliss, Gaines, ?!forgan, Spooner, 1\Ir. KETCHAM: No excuse offered. Brower, Gay, 11Iorrill, Stewart, Tex. Browne, Ind. Gibson, :Morse, Stewart·, Ga. Mr. LATHAM: No excuse offered. Buchanan, Glass, Norwood, Taylor, J.D., Ohio Mr. MAFFETT: No excuse offered. Burnes, Granger, Nutting, Thomas, Ill. Mr. MATSON: No excuse offered. Burnett, Hall, O'Neall, Ind. Thompson, Ohio llutler, Harmer, O'Neill,l\fo. Thompson, Cal. 1\Ir. 1\fcCol\l.A.s: No excuse offered. Campbell, Ohio Hayden, Outhwaite, Townshend, Mr. McCULLOGH: No excuse offered. Catching, Hermann, Patton, Vandever, 1\Jr. McSHANE: No excuse offered. Clardy, Hiestand, Payson, West, Cobb, llitt, Peel, White, Ind. Mr. MILLIKEN: No excuse offered. Cochran, Hudd, Perkins, Whiting, Mass. Mr. MORRILL: No excuse offered. Compton, Jones, Perry, Whitthorne, Mr. MORSE: No excuse offered. Cothran, Kelley, .Peters, Wilkins, . Cox, Ketcham, Phelan, Wilson, Minn. Mr. NORWOOD: No excuse offered. Culberson, Latham, Phelps, 'Vise, Mr. NuTTING: No excuse offered. Cutcheon, Lawler, Pidcock, 'Voodburn. Dargan, Lee, , Rayner, Mr. O'NEALL, of Indiana: No excuse offered. Da venport, Lodge, Richardson, Mr. PATTON. Davidson, Ala. 1\Ia1l'ett, Rockwell, Mr. 1\I.A.ISH. l\Iy colleague, Mr. PATTON, requeste,d me to inform 'l'he SPEAKER p1·o te-mpore. The Doorkeeper will close the doors the House that be was absent on account of sickness in his family. I of the Hall, and the Clerk will call the names of the absentees. Upon ask that he be excused. this call excuses are in order. There being no objection, Mr. PATTON was excused. The Clerk proceeded to call the absentees, as follows: Mr. PAYSON. Mr. ADAMS: Excused. Mr. MASON. My colleague, Mr. PAYSON. left the Hall just now, Mr. ALLEN, of Mississippi: Excused. stating that he was called home on account of sickness in his family, 1\Ir. ANDERSON, of Kansa8: No excuse offered. and he requested me to ask that he be excused. Mr. ARNOLD: No excuse offered. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. I object. 1\lr. BELMONT: No excuse offered. The SPEAKER pro tempore. The Chair will put the question to the 1\lr. BIGGS: Excused. Honse. The gentleman from Illinois [Mr. MASON] moves that his 1\Ir. BINGHAM: No excuse offered. colleague [Mr. PAYSON], who, he states, is absent on account of sick­ Mr. BLAND: No excuse offered. ness in his family, be excused from further attendance. Mr. BLISS: No excuse offered. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. This illness is too intermittent. 1\Ir. BROWER: No excuse offered. The question being taken on the motion to excuse Mr. PAYSON, it l'\Ir. BROWNE, of Indiana. was agreed to; there being-:-ayes 80, noes 53. Mr. BUTTERWORTH. Mr. BROWNE, of Indiana, is quite out of Mr. PEEL: No excuse offered. health, and I ask unanimous consent that he be excused. Mr. PERKINS: No excuse offered. There was no objection, and it was so ordered. Mr. PERRY: No excuse offered. Mr. BUCHANAN: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. PETERS: No excuse offered. ,1\Ir. BURNES: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. PHELAN: No excuse offered. Mr. BURNETT: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. PIDCOCK: No excuse offered. Mr. BUTLER: No excuse offered. Mr. RAYNER: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. CAMPBELL, of Ohio: No excuse offeretl. Mr. RoCKWELL: No excuse offered. l\Ir. CATCHINGS: No excuse offered. l'\Ir. RusK: No excuse offered. 1\lr. CLARDY: Excused. Mr. ScoTT: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. CoBB: Excused. Mr. SIMMONS: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. CocKRAN: No excuse offered. Mr. SNYDER: No excuse offered. 1\Ir. Col\IPTON. Mr. SPIKOLA: No excuse offered. Mr. SHAW. 1\Ir. Speaker, I ask that my colleague, Mr. COMPTON, Mr. SPOONER: No excuse offered. lle excused. He is absent on account of illness. Mr. JOSEPH D. TAYLOR: No excuse offered. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. Mr. Speaker, ifthegentlemanknowsofhis Mr. THOl\IPSON, of Ohio: No excuse offered. own knowledge that that is so I shall have no objection, but I under­ 1\Ir. THOMPSON, of California. stand that quite a. number of gentlemen who have been excused by the Mr. FELTON. Mr. Speaker, my colleague, Ur. THOMPSON, told pte House to-night on account of sickness are at a dinner party, and quite this afternoon w ben be left the Honse that he was feeling exceedingly a large number are at the theater. ill, and did not think he would be able to come back here. I ask that 1\Ir. SHAW. Mr. Speaker, in answer to the gentleman I would say he be excused. that my colleague was here until half an hour ago, and he told me that There be~g no objection, Mr. THOMPSO.!'r, of California, was ex­ he was suffering fi:om a severe beadacbe-- cused. Mr. BELDEN. Then I object. Mr. VANDEVER. Mr. SHAW. Then I move that my colleague be excused. ])..fr. MORROW. I ask, Mr. Speaker, my colleague, 1\Ir. VANDEVER, 1888. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD~HOUSE. 2721 be excused. He was here this afternoon, but was compelled to leave Scull, Spooner, Thompson, Cal. Whiting, Mich. Seney, Stewiut, Tex. Tillman, Whiting, l\Ias8. the House on account of sickness. Shaw, Stewart, Ga. Townshend, Whitthorne, There being no objection, :M:r. VANDEVER was excused. Sherman, Stewart, Vt. Vance, Wilkins, Mr. WEST: No excuse offered. Shiv ely, Stockdale, Vandever Wilson, Minn. Simmons, Tarsney, 'Vashington, Wilson, W. Va. :Mr. WHITE, of India na: No excuse offered. Smith, Taylor, J. D., Obio Weaver, Wise, Mr. WHITING, o.(Massachusetts: No excuse offered. Snyder, Thomas, Ill. West, Woodburn. Mr. WHITTHORNE: No excuse offered. Spinola, Thompson, Ohio White, Ind. Mr. WILKINS: No excuse offered. So the Honse refused to adjourn. Mr. WILSON, of Minnesota: No excuse offered. During the roll-call, Mr. WISE: No excuse offered. Mr. SOWDEN said: In the name of humanity, I move to dispense Mr. REED. The call for excuses, as I understand, is now concluded; with the reading of the names. and I offer the resolution which I send to the desk. The motion was agreed to. The Clerk read as follows: Tj:l.e SPEAKER pro tempore. The Segeant-at-Arms will-execute the Resolved, That the Sergeant-at-Arms take into custody and bring to the bar of order of the House. the House such of its members as are now absent without the leave of the House. Mr. LAFFOON. I move to dispense with further proceedings under The SPEAKER pro ternp01'e. The resolution seems to be adopted. the call. Mr. OATES. Division. The motion was disagreed to. The Honse divided; and there were-ayes 114, noes 11, The SPEAKER p1·o temp01·e. The gentleman from Massachusetts So the resolution was adopted. [Mr. CoLLINS] asks to be excused from further a.ttendance upon this :Ur. LAFFOON. I move the House do now adjourn. night's session on account of. sickness. The SPEAKER pro temp01'e. The "noes" seem to have it. Mr. GROSVENOR. I object. What is the ground for ask-ing ex­ Mr. LAFFOON. · Division. cuse?- The House ruvided; and there were-ayes 47, noes 103. • The SPEAKER pro te1np01·e. That he is not well enough toremain Mr. LAFFOON. I demand the yeas and nays. longer in the House. The yeas and nays were ordered. Mr. STAHLNECKER. I move that the gentleman from Massa­ The question was taken; and it was decided in the negative-yeas chusetts be excused. 24, nays 128, not voting 172; as follows: The motion was agreed to. YEA8-24. Mr. TARSNEY. I movethattheHoose resolve itself into the Com­ Anderson, Iowa Forney, Lane, St-one, Ky. mittee of the Whole House on the state of the Union for the purpose of Anderson, Miss. Hare, Lanham, Stone, Mo. taking up for consideration House bill 1439, in relation to the eight­ Anderson, Ill. Hatch, McCiammy, Symes, hour law. [Laughter.] Bacon, Hay.es, Neal, '.rurner, Ga. Buckalew, Hogg, Sayers, Walker, Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. Regular order. Bynum, Laffoon, Springer, Wheeler. Mr. DAVIS. I move that my colleague, l\fr. WHITING, be excused NAYS-129. from further attendance at this night's session. Allen, Mich. Elliolt, Kean, Pugsley, Mr. GROSVENOR. I make the point of order that the time for ex­ Baker, lll. Farquhar, Kennedy, Randall, cuses has passed and that t.hese motions are not in order. Belden, Felton, Kerr, Reed, BJanchard,l Finley, La Follette, Rice, The SPEAKER pro te1np01·e. It is always in the power of the Honse Boothman, Fitch, Lagan, Home is, to excuse a member. Bound, Flood, Laidlaw, Rowell, Mr. DAVIS. My colleague, Mr. WHmNG, was too ill to remain Boutelle, Ford, . Laird, Rowland, Bowden, French, Lehlbach, Russell, Conn. in the Hall, and I advised him to go home. Bowen, Fuller, Lind, Sawyer, Mr. GROSVENOR. I withdraw my objection. Brewer, Gallinger, , Long, Seymour, Mr. DAVIS's motion 'V\"as agreed to, and Mr. WHITING was excused. Browne, T.H.B.,Va.Gear, Lyman, Sowden, Brown, Ohio Gest, Macdonald, Stahlnecker, Mr. GROSVENOR. There seems to be so much illness there ought Brown, J. H. Va. • Goff, Maish, Steele, to be some investigation to learn the cause of and provide some. remedy Brumm,· Greenman, :Mansur, Stephenson, agaim:t the present unhealthy condit.ion of the members of the House. Bryce, Grosvenor, Mason, Struble, Buchanan, Grout, McAdoo, Taulbee, [Laughter.] Bunnell, Guenther, McCormick, Taylor, E. B., Ohio Mr. COWLES. I move that my colleague, Mr. Rowr.. AND, be ex­ Butterworth, Haugen, McKenna, Thomas, Ky. cused from further attendance on this night's session. He has been sick Campbell,'l'.J.,N.Y.Heard, McKinley, Thomas, Wis. Cannon, Hemphill, Montgomery, Tracey, for a month. Caruth, Henderson, N.C. 1\Iorrow, Turner, Kans. The motion was agreed to. Cheadle, Hires, Nelson, Wade, Mr. STEELE. I ask unanimous consent that the Honse take a re­ Chipman, Holman, Newton, Warner, Clark, Holmes, Nichols, Weber, cess until to-morrow at 11 o'clock. Cogswell, Hopkins, lll. O'Donnell., White,N. Y. A MEMBER. I object. Conger, Hopkins, Va.. O·Ferrall, Wickham, Mr. HATCH. I make the point that no gentleman has riSen in his Crouse, Hopkins, N. Y. O'Neill, Pa. Wilber, Dalzell, Hovey, Osborne, Wilkinson, place to object. Darlington. Hunter, Parker, 'Villiams, Mr. TARSNEY. I object. Davis, .Jackson, Penington, Yardley, Mr. McCREARY. It will take some time to execute the order of the DeLano, Johnston, Ind. Plumb, Yoder, Dibble, .Johnston, N.C. Post., Yost. House, and I therefore move to take a recess for one hour. In addition, Dunham, the clerks need rest.. NQT VOTLlliG-171. A MEMBEB. Make it 10 o'clock to-morrow. Abbott, Cobb, IIall, McShane, Mr. TARSNEY. I object. I tried to get the House to proceed with Adams, 1 Cockranl Harmer, Merriman, the consideration of the eight-hour law and it was objected to. Allen, Mass. Collins, Hayden, Milliken, Allen, Miss. Compton, Henderson, Iowa. Mills, The SPEAKER. If gentlemen will resume thefr seats the Chair will Anderson, Kans. Cooper, Henderson, Ill. Moffitt, again submit the request of the gentle:min from'lndiana [Mr. STEELE] Arnold, Cothran, Herbert, 1\Ioore, to the House, so it may be seen who objects to it. Atkinson, Cowles, Hermann, 1\Iorgan, Mr. TARSNEY. I o~ject. . Baker, N.Y. Cox, Hiestand, Morrill, Bankhead, Crain, Hilt, Morse, Mr. STEELE. I make the point of order that the gentleman is re­ Barnes, Crisp, Hooker, Norwood, ported absent and is not supposed to be here for the purpose of object­ Barry, Culberson, Houk, Nutting, Bayne, Cummings, Howard, Oates, ing to anything. He made no excuse for his absence, as I understand, Belmont, Cutcheon, Hudd, O'Neall, Ind. when the roll was called. Biggs, Dargan, Hutton, O'Neill, Mo. The SPEAKER. The Chair does not irnow, in the first place~ that Bingham, Davenport, Jones, Outhwaite, Bland, Davidson, Ala. Kelley, Owen, the gentleman was absent, and he answered to his name on the call of Bliss, · Davidson, Fla. Ketcham, Patton, the roll, JlS the Clerk informs the Chair. Blount, Dingley, Kilgore, Payson, Mr. STEELE. Yes, but he was absent before that. Breckinridge, Ark. Dockery, Landes, Peel, Breckinridge, Ky, Dorsey, Latham, Perkins The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Kentucky [Mr. McCREARY] Brower, Dougherty, Lawler, Perry, ' asks unanimous consent that a recess be taken for one hour. Browne,Ind. Dunn, Lee, Peters, Mr. REED. I object. Burnes, Enloe, J. .. odge, Phelan, Burnett, Ermentrout, Lynch, Phelps, 14'. COWLES. I wish to make a parliamentary inquiry. Burrows, Fisher, Maffett, Pidcock, The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. Buller, Foran, Mahoney, Rayner, 1\Ir. COWLES. . I would like to know if we are proceeding under, Campbell,F.,N. Y. Funston, Martin, Richardson, the eight-hour law. [Laughter.] .And if so, if this is a specimen of Campbell, Ohio Gaines, 1\Iat.son, Robertson, Candler, Gay, 1\IcComas, Rockwell, its operations? · Carlton, Gibson, :McCreary, Rogers, Mr. SHAW. I ask unanimous consent that the House take a recess Caswell, Glass, McCullogh, Russell, l\Iass. Catchings, Glover, McKinney, Rusk, until to-morrow at 10 o'clock. · Clardy, Granger, McMillin, Ryan, · Mr. TARSNEY. I object, because to-morrow has been set apart for Clements, Grimes, McR.ae, Scott, the consideration of business from the Committee on Commerce. ' XIX-171 2722 OONGR£SSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE. APRIL 4,

1\lr. REED. But to-morrow will not come. It will be to·day under I will send to the desk. I ask for its immediate consideration in the

this arrangement. The {;entleman is labOiing under a misapprehen­ !louse. It i<; a purely local measure1 and nobody is interested in it. sion. [Laughter.] I think there will be no objection to it. .Mr. TARSNEY. I will withdraw any objection if the House will The SPEAKER. The request is not in order during a call of the consider the regular order :fixed for to-morrow after the reading of the House. Journal. Mr. STRUBLE. I found tllat out a few moments ago. Mr. HEED. There is no proposition of that sort. Mr. SPRINGER. Let the bill be read for the informa.tion of the Mr. GROSVENOR. Is it in order to iniorm the gentleman from House. Michigan that to-morrow will never come? There will be no to-morrow. Mr. DALZELL. I thought it might dignify the proceedings of. the ~Ir. DE LANO. Pending this proceeding I ask unanimous consent session if we were to do something. to introduce a bill for reference. l\Ir. MAISH. My collengue [Mr. ERMENTROUT] informs the Ser­ \ Tl!c SPEAKER. That can not be done at this time. ge:mli-at-Arms that be is ill. I move that he be excused from further Mr. ALLEN, of Michigan. I rise to a parli.1.mentary inquiry. attendance at this sitting of the House. The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. Objection. was made. Mr. ALLEN, of Michigan. Do I understand that the House excused Mr. MAISH. I move that my colleague be excused. the gentleman from North Carolina? Mr. STRUBLE. Is the gentleman present? The SPEAKER. Which gentleman? 1\fr. MAISH. No, sir. 1\ir. ALLEN, of Michigan. M.r. ROWLAND. Mr. STRUBLE. How does· the gentleman know that his colleague The SPEAKER. The Chair thinks .the gentleman was excused. is sick? Ur. ALLEN, of l'llichigan. I would ask, then, if it would not be Mr. MAISH. The Sergeant-at-Arms has reported that he was so in­ proper to excuse also the gentleman from South Carolina, and let them formed. goout together. [Laughter.] The SPEAKER. The question is on the motion of the gentleman Mr. MASON. I make the point of order that neither is a "gov­ from Pennsylvania. · ernor.'' The motion was not agreed to. . Mr. MACDONALD. I object to any more members being sick. 'I'he Deputy Sergeant-at Arms appeared at the bm· having in his cus­ Mr. STRUBLE. I ask unanimous consent, while the House is wait­ tody Mr. DOUGHERTY. ing, to call up for present consideration the bill I send to the desk. The SPEAKER. Mr. DoUGHERTY, you have been absent from the Mr. STEELE. But the gentleman is absent sick, and was excused sitting of the House without its leave. What excuse have you to offer? this evening. Mr. DOUGHERTY. The ljxcuse I have to offer is that for some Mr. STRUBLE. The gentleman is mistaken. I have not been sick weeks I have been suffering' from malaria. [Laughter.] for a long while. [Cries of" Regular order!"] This is only a pub­ A MEMBER. Who is yotu doctor? lic-building bill, and I would like to be recognized for the purpose of Mr. DOUGHERTY. And, unlike most of these statesmen who are getting it before the House for consideration. It is an important laughing, I did not get that malaria out of the bottle, either. I will matter. say that last night I had a chill and I have not been feeling well all day. Mr. STEELE. I would like to see the record, to find out if the gen­ Mr. BURROWS. How do you feel now? tleman is not absel!t sick. Mr. DIBBLE. I move that the gentleman from Florida be excused. The SPEAKER. No business can be transacted. during the call of Mr. HOPKINS, of Illinois. I ask, should not that motion be sus- the House. pended until we get the explanation? · 1\fr. ENLOE. 1.1r. Speaker, if in order, I ask unanimous consent The SPEAKER. The Chair suppo3ed the gentleman had completed that the gentleman from Kentucky [:Mr. TAULBEE] be given one hour his statement. in which to address the House. · Mr. DOUGHERTY. I was asked the que tion by one of t,hese gen­ Mr. TAULBEE. Is that in order? [Cries of "Regular order P'] tlemen how I felt now; and I will state I probably feel better than be Mr. TARSNEY. Mr. Speaker, if it be in order, I move that the would if he had been through what I have. [Laughter.] · further consideration of the pending bill be postponed until the 19th The SPEAKER. The gentleman from South Carolina moves that day of May, in order that we may proceed with the business from the the gentleman from Florida be excused. Commerce Committee this day. The motion was agreed to. The SPEAKER. That is not in order pending the call of the 1\Ir. DOUGHERTY. I rise to make a parliamentary inquiry. House. · The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. Mr. TA.RSNEY. Then I move that the House now adjourn. Mr. DOUGHERTY. Does that excuse by the House enable me to 1\fr. GROSVENOR. I make the point of order that the motion is go back to my hotel? not now admissible. Mr. TAULBEE. I move that the gentleman from Florida be ex­ 'The SPEAKER. The Chair sustains the point of order. The last cused from further attendance on the session of this day on account ot vote taken by the House was on the motion to adjonrn, and no busi­ the state of his health. I think we may dispense with levity in mat­ ness has intervened. ters so grave. l\1r. TARSNEY. I move to dispense with all further proceedings The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Kentucky moves that the under the call. gentleman from Florida be excused from further attendance at this The SPEAKER. That motion is in order. session of the House. - The motion was rejected. The question being put, the motion was agreed to-ayes 72, noes 2. Mr. WHEELER (at 12o'clock and 10 minutes a.m. Thursday). I M:r. TARSNEY. I move that all further proceedings under the call move that all members of this House who have been in constant at­ be dispensed with. . tendance since 12 o'clock to-day be excused for six hours. [Laughter.] The motion was not agreed to. A MEi\.t::BEB-. That would excuse everybody present who has been Some time subsequently, here for ten minutes. Ur. LAFFOON moved to dispense wii.h further proceedings under the 1\Ir. WHEELER I will amend by saying all members who have call. been in attendance for twelve hours. The motion was not agreed to. Mr. GROSVENOR. I make the point of order that the motion can The Sergeant-at-Arms appeared at the bar, having in his custody Mr. not be entertained. DOCKERY. Mr. MASO:N. The eight-hour law does not apply here. The SPEAKER. :M:r. DOCKERY, you have been absent from the 1\fr. STEELE. I ask unanimous consent that the Committee on Com­ sitting of the House without its leave. What excuse have yon to offer? merce have the next day that is not already assigned by some special Mr. DOCKERY. I have none, Ur. Speaker. order in lieu of the day fixed, and that the House now take a recess un­ [Cries of ''Louder!'' ' 1 Louder!''] til to-morrow at 11 o'clock. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Missouri says he has no ex­ ~ ·Mr. TA.RSNEY. When is that day? cuse to offer. :&1r. STEELE. The first day that is not occupied. Mr. WEBER. I move that the gentleman be excused; he is honest. Mr. TARSNEY. I object to that. Jt is too indefinite. Give us Mr. MANSUR. I move that be be excused for being absent; but next Friday, and I will consent. that he be fined 1 cent for being caught. 1\Ir. TA. ULBEE. I shall object to assigning Friday in that way. M:r. TAULBEE. I move to amend that motion by providing that 1\Ir. GUENTHER. Suppose we give yon this day after this matter the fine be appropriated for refunding the direct tax. is disposed of? Mr. GUENTHER. Would it be in order to move to amend by pro­ Mr. TARSNEY. That day will come about next September, and I viding that the fine shall go to the State treasury of Kentucky? object to that arrangement. Mr. TAULBEE. Is the motion debatable? Ur. STEELE. Then I ask unanimous consent that the Committee The SPEAKER. The motion is not in order, because the House has on Commerce be given Friday. no power to make such an appropriation of the fine while it is sitting :Mr. TAULBEE. I object. ·under a call of the House. M1·. DALZELL. I askunanimousconsentto discharge the Commit­ Mr. WHEELER. I move that the gentleman from 1\Iissouri be ex­ tee of the Whole House irom the consideration of the House bill which cused. 1888. -· CONGRESSIONAL RECORD- HOUSE. 2723

Mr. STRUBLE. I will agree to that on condition that he remain. for the purpose ot ascertaining whether or not a quorum is present. Is The question being pnt, the motion to excuse Mr. DocKERY was there objection? agreed to-ayes 75, noes 8. l\Ir. EZRA B. TA.YLOR. I hope no objection will be made. Mr. OATES. Mr. Speaker, overtures have been made by gentlemen A }.1EMBER- What is the object? on both sides of this question for a recess, and, so far as I am concerned, The SPEAKER. Is there objection? I do not object to it. I therefore ask unanimous consent that the House M:r. McMILLIN. Let us know what th~bject is. now take arecess until a quarttr before 12 o'clock to- day~ ~Ir. DIBBLE. I think, if a quorum be present, members will almost The SPEAKER. It wm be necessary to dispense with further pro­ unanimously consent to a vote or a proposition which will relie-v~ us ceedings under the call before the request can be put in that form, and, from the present embarrussing posture of affairs-a proposition for a of course, if one part fails it will all faiL Taking a recess is the trans­ recess to some of the hours which have been named. action of business. A MEMBER. On what condition? Mr. REED. Make it 11 o'clock. The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Alabama [Mr. OATES] asks from South Carolina? unanimous consent that further proceedings under the call be dispensed 1r1r. FITCH. I object. with and a recess taken until a quarter before 12 o'clock. Is there ob­ },fr. SOWDEN. I a.sk that the rule in reference to smoking in the jection? Hall be enforced. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. Mr. Speaker, I think that if the gentle- The SPEAKER. The Doorkeeper will see that the rule is strictly man will propose a recess untilll o'clock there will be no objection. enforced. Mr. WHITE, of New York. Halfpast 11. The Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms appe:1red at the bar, having in his Mr. REED. Yes; make it 11.30. custody Mr. LATHAM, l\Ir. SIMJ\IONS, Mr. PERRY, and Mr. COTHRAN. Mr. OATES. Fifteen minutes before 12 o'clock is time enough. Ur. HENDERSON, of Iowa. I ask that these gentlemen be tried Several MEMBERS. Make it half past 11. one at a time. The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman Mr. TAULBEE. I make the point that it is the prerogative of the from Alabama? defendants to sever the trial. " Mr. VANCE. I object. The SPEAKER. Mr. LATHAM, you ha•e been absent from the sit Mr. NELSON. I ask unanimous consent to dispense with further tings of the House without its leave. What excuse have you to offer~ proceedings under the call, and to take a recess until half past 11 o'clock Mr. LATHAM. Mr. Speaker, I desire to mak e an excnse.-- this morning. Mr. BOUTELLE. I rise to a point of order. There are so rnaJJy The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Minnesota [Mr. NELSON] gentlemen in the rear that we can not see the culprits. [Laoght-cr.] asks unanimous consent that further proceedings under the call he dis­ The SPEAKER. Gentlemen will resume their seats. pensed with, and that the Honse take a recess until half past 11 Mr. LATHAM. Mr. Speaker, by way of excuse, I have this to say, o'clock. that I have been backing seed to my constituents. Mr. VANCE and others objected. The SPEAKER. Proceedings will be suspended until gentlemen :h1r. McCREARY. Mr. Speaker, I move to dispense with further take their seats and order is restored. [A pause. J The gentleman proceedings under the call; and I give notice that if that carries I will from North Carolina will proceed. immediately move to take a recess until a quarter before 12 o'clock. .Mr. LATHAM. I have two excuses to make, Mr~ Speaker. The first The SPEAKER. The gentleman is aware of the fact that that will is that I have been engaged in the duties-- [Cries of "Louder!"] ~quire a quorum, and there is no quorum present. Objection is made, Mr. TAULBEE. I make the point of order that two of those gen­ and the proposition is no more likely to prevail in that fo rm than by tlemen are from South Carolina and two from North Carolina; and-­ unanimous consent. The Chair will put the question, however. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from North Carolina will proceed The question was taken, and the motion was not agreed to. with his statement. J\IIr. WHITE, of New York. I rise t o a parliamentary inquiry. Mr. LATHAM. I have been sending off seeds to my constituents. The SPEAKER. The gentleman will state it. [Cries of' " Louder!"] M:.r. WHITE, of New York. Is it in order at this time, inasmuch as The SPEAKER. If the Honse does not intend to deal with these certain delinquent members have been brought before the bar of the gentlemen under the rules it might as well be so understood aud the Ron e, to have another call to determine whether there is a quorum gentlemen be permitted to take their seats. present? If there is a quorum, then it is in order. for the Honse to take A MEMBER. Let them take their seats. a recess, and-- The SPEAKER. The rules require the Chair, when gentlemen are The SPEAKER. But the House can not take a recess with the brought here bythe Sergeant-at-Arms, to call upon them to state their call pending. It mnst first dispense with the proceedings under the excuses, if they have any, for their absence_ The Chair thinks these calL · gentlemen ought to have the right to make their excuses. Mr. WHITE, of New York. I understand that; but if we first de­ :h1r. LATHAU. I was paired to-day with Mr. STEWART, of Texas. termine that we ha1c a quorum here, we can then proceed to do wha.t­ I did not know there would be any call of the House. I had other e\er is necessary. business for my constituents-- to send off seed. Mr. EZRA B. TAYLOR. 1\fr. Speake1·, with the view oi making Mr. DAVIDSON, of Florida. I move that the gentleman from some satisfactory arrangement of this matter, I propose that unani­ North Carolina be excused. mous consent be given to dispense with further proceedings under the Hr. HENDERSON, of Iowa. I move to amend the motion by a-dd­ call, that a recess be taken until 11 o'clock to-day, that two hours be ing ''upon payment of a fine of $5,000. " [Laughter.] then allowed for general debate upon this bill, and two hours more for Mr. LATHAM. I can not pay it. amenrlments and debate under the five-minute rule, and that at 3 The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Iowa moves that the gentle- o'clock the previous question be considered as ordered on the bill and man from North Carolina be excused upon payment of a fi ne of $5,000. amendments. The motion of Mr. H ENDERSON, of Iowa,, was not agreed to. The SPEAKER. Is there objection to t.he request of t.he gentleman Mr. BELDEN. Make it $4,500. from Ohio (Air. EZRA B. TAYLOR]? The SPEAKER. What disJ2osition will tbe House make of the gen­ Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Arkansas. I object. tlP.man's case? Mr. CRISP. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the roll be ~lr. DAVIDSON, of Florida.. I ask a vote on my motion that the

called to ascertain whether we have a quorum in the House. gentleman from North Carolina7 who has rendered to us hls excuse, Mr. SOWDEN. I object. having been so much engaged in looking after the interests of his con- Several MEMBERS. Regular order. stituents, be excused. . The SPEAKER. Is there objection to the request of the gentleman The motion of Mr. DAVIDSON, of Florida:' was agreed to. from Georgia [Mr. CRISP J? The SPEAKER. Mr. SnmuoNs, you have also been absent from Mr. SOWDEN. I object. the sessions of the House without its lea.ve. What excuse ha>e yon Mr. BRU:t.fl\1. I object. to offer? Mr. NELSON. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to dispense Mr. SIMMONS. Mr. Speaker, I was tempted by my senior col­ with further proceedings under the call, and that the House take are­ league from North Carolina-! being a much younger and less expe- ­ ·cess untilll o'clock. rienced man- to attend him for the purpose of backing seed also. Se>eral members objected. [Laughter.] But very shortly after I got to my room, at his sugges­ Mr. DIBBLE. 1\Ir. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that, without tion, we both retired and did not back the seed. [Laughter.] The disturbing the status in anyway, there be an informal call of the roll, seed are to be backed to-morrow or some other time, when the Honse simply to ascertain the number of members present. is not in session. The SPEAKER. That request has just been made and objected to. :h1r. CARUTH. I mo>e that the gentleman be excused. Mr. DIBBLE. I do not think it was unde1-stood that the pYoceed­ :h1r. HENDERSON, of Iowa. I move to amend by providing that ing was to be informal and without disturbing the existing status. he pay a fine of 1,000. • · The SPEAKER. The Chair will put it in that form. The gentle­ Mr. HRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. Is it in order to ask a ques­ man from South Carolina asks unanimous consent that, without dis­ tion? t urbing or dispensing with proceedings under the call, the roll be called The SPEAKER. It is. 2724. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSJTI. APR~ 4,

Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. I understood the gentleman By Mr. DUNHAM: A bill (H. R. 9205) granting a pension to Lizzie to say be bad been "tempted " by his "senior colleague." Koenigsberg-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Ur. SIMMONS. Yes, sir. By Mr. FINLEY: A bill (H. R. 9206) granting a pension to Felix Mr. BRECKINRIDGE, of Kentucky. Was itafour-handed game? W. Harris-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. [Laughter. J By Mr. GEST: A bill (H. R. 9207) to increase the pension of Louis Mr. SI IJ\fONS. As I ~st, it does not make any difference. M. Buford-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. The motion of Ur. CARUTH to excuse Ur. SanroNs was agreed to. By Mr. HIRES: A bill {H. R. 9208) granting a pension to Ra-cbael The SPEAKER. !tlr. PERRY, yon have been absent from theses- D. Billings-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. sions of the Honse without its leave. What excuse have you to offer? By Mr. JACKSON: A bill (H. R. 9209) granting a pension to Thomas 1\Ir. PERRY. I do not know that I have any excuse to make. I Waltz-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. throw myself on the mercy of the court. By Ur. KETCHAM: A bill (H. R. 9210) to authorize and require Mr. DIBBLE. I move that the gentleman be excused. the restoration and preservation of the :rtrins known as Fort Putnam­ The motion was agreed to. to the Committee on Military Affairs. The SPEAKER. Ur. CoTHRAN, yon have been absent from the sit­ By Mr. LANE: A bill (H. R. 9211) for the relief of Jesse Durnell­ tings of the Honse without its leave. What excuse have yon to offer? to the Committee on Claims. 111r. COTHRAN. I left the Honse quite late, and feeling much By Mr. MAISH: A billlH. R. 9212) for the relief of John R. Turner­ fatigued, I went to bed and to sleep. to the Committee on Claims. Mr. HENDERSON, of Iowa. Quite a sensible fellow. [Laughter.] By Mr. McKINLEY: A bill (H. R. 9213) granting a pension to John Mr. DIBBLE. - I move that my colleague be excused. C. Heacock-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. The motion was agreed to. By Mr. O'FERRA.LL: A bill (H. R. 9214) for the relief of Albert Mr. OATES. The gentleman from Connecticut, who interposed au Blaisdell-to the Committee on Claims. objection awhile ago to the proposition for which I asked unanimous By Mr. PERRY: A bill (H. R. 9215) for the relief of F. G. Fuller consent informs me he is now willing to withdraw it. and J. A. Mitchell, executors of John O'Dell, deceased-to tb~ Com· l\fr. VANCE. Yes; I withdraw my objection. mittee on Claims. The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Alabama [Ur. OATES] moves, By Mr. RICE: A bill {H. R. 0216) granting a pension to Sarah Mc­ by unanimous consent, that the House take a recess until quarter to 12 Cool-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. m. Is there objection? By l\Ir. SENEY: A bill (H. R. 9217) to increase the J?ension of Charles M:r. DALZELL. I object. W. Kridler-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Mr. CANNON. I ask by unanimous consent to occupy two minutes Also, a bill (H. R. 9218) for the relief of William McCormack-to of the time of the House in making some remarks. the Committee on Military Affairs. Mr. RANDALL. I object, unless the gentleman states his object. Also, a bill (H. R. 9219 ) granting a pension to Thomas J. Livers­ The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Pennsylvania [l\ir. DAL­ to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. ZELL] withdraws his objection to the proposition of the gentleman By Mr. SEYMOVR: A bill (H. R. 9220) granting a pension to Je from Alabama [Mr. OATES] thatthe House take a recessuntilaquarter rome Bowen-to the Committee on Invalid Pensions. to 12 o'clock to-morrow. Is there further objection? By Mr. SIMMONS: A bill (H. R. 9221) for the relief of Garrett G. Ml'. DE LANO. I object. Moze-to the Committee on War Claims. The SPEAKER. Is there objection to granting the gentleman from Also, a bill (H. R. 9222) granting a pension to Garrett G. Mozc-to illinois two minutes of time for the purpose of making an explanation? the Committee on Invalid Pensions. Mr. HOGG. I object. By Mr. STONE, of Kentucky: A bill (H. R. 9223) for the relief of Mr. STONE, of Kentucky. Mr. Speaker, I have not asked a favor Nathaniel M. Rusten-to the Committee on Military Affairs. of the Honse for some time. Indeed, it has been some time since I had Also, a bill (H. R. 9224) granting a pension to Belle M. Baker-to an opportunity to ask for a favor. I think now we might vary these the Committee on Invalid Pensions. proceedings iJ I were permitted to ask, in behalf of my constituents, By Mr. WHEELER: A bill (H. R. 9225) to refer the claim a~ainst who need a railroad bridge very badly, to take up for consideration a the United States of J. M. Huston to the Court of Claims-to the Com­ Senate bill which is an exact copy of the bill, which has already passed mittee on War Claims. the Honse, wUh the approval of the Secretary of•War and the recom­ mendation of the House committee. [Cries of "R~gular order!"] I thought perhaps it would help, too, to bridge this difficulty. PETITIONS, ETC. l\Ir. HOGG. Understandingthegentleman from Illinois [l\Ir. CAN­ The following petitions and papers were laid on the Clerk's desk, NON] desires to submit some remarks, I will withdraw my objection under the 1·ule, and referred as follows: and liilten to him with pleasure. By Ur. C. H. ALLEN: Petitions of Ira 0. Lockwood, late postmas­ 1t1r. CANNON. I thank the gentleman, but the spirit does not ter at St. George, Vt., and of Robert Singleton, late postmaster at move me now. [Laughter.] Granville, S. C., for relief-to the Committee on the Post-Office and Mr. HOGG. I move that the Honse do now adjourn. Post-Roa

By l\fr. COX: _Memorial of George Matthew and 97 others, citizens of By Mr. NUTTING: Petition of 74 citizens of South Butler, and of New York City, for the protection of the Yellowstone Park, etc.-to C. C. Thompson and 32 othe:J;S, citizens ofWayne County, New York, to the Committee on the Public Lands. prevent the fraudulent importation ~f cattle, and for other purposes­ By Ur. CRAIN: Petition and papers of Simeon Lewis, for a pen­ to the Committee on Ways and Means. sion-to the Committee on Pensions. By Mr. CHARLES O'NEILL: Petition of operatives employed in the By Mr. CUTCHEON: Petition of 608 citizens of Wexford County, manufa-cture of worsted yarns throughout the United States, for more Michigan, against House bill No. 7901-to the Committee on the Public effectual protection to worsted-yam manufacturing est..Utah as a State-to the Committee on the Territories. flaxseed and linseed-oil-to the Committee on Ways and Means. By Mr. KEAN: Petition of citizens of Cranbury Station, :Middlesex By Mr. T. L. THOMPSON: Petition for the est.'Oblishment of a quar­ County, and of citizens of Matawan, Monmouth County, New Jersey, antine station at the port of San Francisco, Cal.-to the Committee on for the more effectual protection of agriculture-to the Committee on Commerce. Ways and l\Iean!". Also, petition of citizens of California, against removal of the tariff By Mr. KETCHAM: Petition of G. Hills and 181 others, citizens of on chrome iron-ore-to the Committee on Ways and .Means. Columbia County, New York, for the passage of Senate bill 283, for By Ur. VAN DEVER: Petition of John M. Cree and 18 other male the better protection of Yellowstone Park-to the Committee on the citizens of San Jacinto, Cal., for bett~rleg::ll protection of women and Public Lands. girls-to the Committee on the Judiciary. By Mr. LEE (by request): Petition of Charles W. Myers, of Jesse Also, petition for a quarantine station at San Francisco, Ca1.-to the Piggott, and of Armistead M. Johnson, of Loudoun County, and of Committee en Commerce. Ulam W. Barker, of Fairfax County, Virginia, for reference of their By Mr. WASHINGTON: Petition of James H. Jenkins, and of P. claim to the Court of Claims-to the Committee on War Claims. T. Roscoe, by W. A. Ros?oe, ~dministrator, of Davidson County, Ten­ By 1\Ir. McKINLEY: Resolutions of the St. Louis (Mo.) Merchants' nessee, for reference of his claim to the Court of Claims-to the Com­ Exchange, in favor of the passage of the Nicaragua Canal bill-to the mittee on War Claims. Committee on Railways and Canals. By Mr. WEST: Petition of citizens of the Twentieth district of Now By Mr. l\1AISH: Petition of John R. Turner, for relief-to the Com- York, for the passage of Senate bill283, for the better protection of the mittee on Claims. · Yellowstone Park-to the Committee on the Public Lands. By Mr. MANSUR: Petition of Frank l\I. ·Lew"ls, for relief.:__to the By Mr. WHEELER: Petition of Riley Ragan and others relative to Committee on War Claims. certain lands granted to the Coosa and Chattooga Railroad-'to the Com- By l\Ir. MILLS: Petition for the relief of J. Y. Carpenter-to the mittee on the Public Lands. • Committee on Claims. Also, petition of \V~iam A. Rolonberry, of Limestone County; Of By Mr. 1\IORRI_LL: Petition of Local Assembly No. 1369, Knights James McPeters, of Lauderdale County, and ofVina Vaughn (formerly of Lator, of AtchiSon, Kans., for the passage of the tonnage bill-to Gray), of Lawrence County, Alabama, for reference of their claims to tho Committee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries. the Court of Claims-to the Committee on War Claims. . ,

2726 CONGRESSIONAL ·RECORD-SENATE. APRIL ·5,

By Mr. WILLIAM WHITING: Petition of A. L. Williston, of amateur sporting clubs of Wellsville, Ohio, and other citizens of that Northampton; of Albee, Lyans & Co., and of Highland Mills, Hunt­ town, praying for the·passage of Senate bill 283, for the protection of ington, 1\Iass., for better mail facilities in New England- to the Com­ the Yello tone National Park; which was ordered to lie on the table. mittee on the Post-Office and Post-Roads. He also•presented apetitionofTypographical Union No. 5, ofColum­ By :Mr. WHITTHORNE: Petition of Mrs. M . J . Thomason, of Ten­ bus, Ohid, praying for the passage of an ,international copyright law; nessee, for relief-to the Committee on War Claims. which was ordered to lie on the table. Also, petition ofT. C. Smith, of Maury County, Tennessee, for pay­ Mr. FRYE presented the petition of 1Capt. Harrison Moulton, late ment of his war claim-to the Committee on War Claims. captain First Cavalry, United States Army, praying to be reappointed Also, petition of William N. Edney, for a pension-to the Committee to the Army, and placed upon the retired-list with the rank of capta~ on Invalid Pensions. of cavalry; which was referred to the Committee on Military Affairs. Mr. CULLOM presented the memorial of Thomas Keady, secretary The following petitions, indorsing the per diem mted service-pension of the State Grange of Illinois, and other citizens of Peoria County, Illi­ bill, bused on the principle of paying all soldiers, sailors, and marines of nois, and a memorial of 32 citizens of Hardin County, illinois, remon­ the late war a monthly pension of 1 cent a day for each day they were strating against the passage of the Palmer pleuro-pneumonia bill; which in the service, were severally referred to the Committee on Invalid were ordered to lie on the table. Pemions: l\1r. STOCKBRIDGE presented the petition of Francis Markle and By Ur. JEHU BAKER: Of D. Wilkens and 30 other ex-soldiers of 60 other ex-Union soldiers and sailors, citizens of Lapeer County, 1\Iich­ Bond County, illinois. . igan, and the petition of John G. Brown and 14 other ex-Union soldiers By 1\fr. RUCHANAN: Of citizens of Atlantic County, New Jersey. and sailors, citizens of :Michigan, praying for the passage of the per By .Mr. BUNNELL: Of ex-soldiers and sailors of Wayne County, diem rated service-pension bill; which were referred to the Committee Pennsylvania. on Pensions. By 1\fr. COTCHEON: Of citizens of Kalkaska County, Michigan. Mr. SAULSBURY presented the petition of John C. Pennewill n.nd By l\1r. HAUGEN: Of ex-soldiers and sailors of Knapp, Wis. 300 other citizens of Delaware, praying that an appropriation be made By l'lfr. HH~ES: Of citizens of Vineland, N. J. for the improvement of the St. Jones River, in that Stat-e; which was By Mr. KEAN: Of ex-Union soldiers of New York and other coun- referred to the Committee on Commerce. ties of New York. Mr. MORGA.J."'f. I present some resolutions in the form of an address By l\ir. OSBORNE: Of ex-soldiers and sailors ofNew York. to the Senat,e and House of Representatives, of the national convention By Mr. SENEY: Of C. H . David and others, of New York. of the American Shipping and Industrial League, held at New Orleans lly Mr. E . B. TAYLOR: Of citizens of Ashtabula County, Ohio. on the 18th of February, and at their request I ask: as the address is By Mr. J. R. WHI TING: Of M . H. Potter and 26 other "citizens, very brief, that it may be printed in the RECORD. and of Rev. John Tree and 63 other citizens, of Lapeer County,.J'tlich ­ The resolutions were referred to the Committee on Commerce, and or­ igan. dered to be printed in the RECORD, as follows: NATIONAL CONVENTION OF THE .A.MEntCA..."f SHIPPING AND INDUSTRIAL LEAGUE, The following petitions, praying for the enactment of a law provid­ New Orleans, La., Februa1·y 16, 17, IS, 1888. ing temporary aid for common schools, to be disbursed on the basis of [Extract from minutes.] illiteracy, were severally referred to the Committee on Education: Ron. S. R. 1\Iallory, of Florida, chairman ·or tbe committee on resolutions, By Ur. McKINLEY: Of171 citizens of Columbiana County, Ohio. presented the following resolution to the convention: Rcso l1;ed, As representatives of the convention assembled in New Orleans, Feb­ By .Mr. PLUMB: Of 223 citizens of Grundy County, illinois. I'uary 16, 17, and 18, 1883, recognizing the importance of immediate action of Congress in measures of relief to the farmer, the manufacturer, the merchant, tbe mechanic, and the labo1·er, whereby tho surplus product of this country may The following petitions, asking for the passage of the bill prohibiting find a steady market, nod skilled and unskilled labor assurance of permanent the manufacture, sale, and importation of all alcoholic beverages in the employment, we believe this will be secured by the extension of foreign com­ merce, and that the best means to this end is an .American merchant marine, District of Columbia, were severally referred to the Select Committee foste red and encouraged by the United States Government, which is the unan­ on the Alcoholic Liquor Traffic: imous opinion of this body, will be fully subserved by the following bill: By Mr. JACKSON: Of :Mrs. J. F. Hill and 2:1 others, citizens of "Be it enacted by the Senate and House of .Rep1·esentatives of the United Stales of .Americ aiJ~ Cong1·ess assembled, That on and after the passage of this act there Cannonsburgh, Pa. shall be paid, out of any moneys in the Treasury of the United States not other­ B~v Ur. KELLEY: Of 69 citizens of the Fourth district of Pennsyl­ wise appropriated, to any '\'"essel, whether sail or steam, built and owned wholly varua. in the United States, engaged in the foreign trade, the sum of 30 cents per reg­ istered ton for each 1,000 miles sailed, and pro rata for any distance traveled less than 1,000 miles on any voyage or >oyages between this and any foreign coun­ try or countries, and the measure of distance traveled, and the distance between ports or places in this country and ports or places in foreign countries, and be­ SEN.ATE . tween one foreign port or place and another foreign port or place, and from any designated point of longitude or latitude to any port or place in this coun­ THURSDAY, Ap;·il 5, 1888. try or any foreign country, shall be determined by measurements which shall be furnished by the United States Hydrographic Office to the Bureau of Navi­ Prayer by the Chaplain, Rev. J . G. BUTLER, D. D. gation, and such payments to any vessel as aforesaid shall be paid on the >cs­ sel's arrival at a port of entry in the United States, in accordance with such reg­ The Journal of yesterday's proceedings was read and approved. ulat ions as llie !5ecretary of the Treasury shall prepare and promulgate. Tile EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATIONS. payment at the rate of 30 cents per ton for each 1,000 miles sailed, as herein pro­ vided to be paid to vessels engaged in the foreign trade, shall continue for the The PRESIDENT pro tempore laid before the Senate a communication t erm of ten years, and thereafter for another term of nine years at a reduction of 3 cents per ton each year upon each 1,000 miles sailed, and pro rata for any from the ~ecretary of State transmitting a proposal from the Dominion less distances." of Canada for direct and immediate exchange of parliamentary publi­ S. R. ?IIA.LLORY, of Fl01·ida, chair- E. D. FEh"'NER, of Louisiana. cations with this Government; which, with the accompanying paper, man. W. H. 1\ITLLER, of Missouri. G. B. WEST, of .Alabarna. J . T. 0 . JOHNSON, of Te:ras. was referred to tbe Committee on Printing, and ordered to be printed. , JOEL P . WALKER, of M~issipp£. DANDRIDGE l\IcRAE, of Al'kan· He also laid before the Senate a communication from the Secretary C. A. FR.A.liiE, of Tennessee. sas. of 'Var, transmitting, for the consideration of the Committee on Ap­ W. H. DUNCAN, of Georgia. J. H. 1\IURPHY, of Iowa. FRANK BA.R':ER, of New Yorl:. B. D . ''VOOD, of Pennsy!vania. propriations, letters from his Department to committees of Congress G. W . CUR'rlf', of lUinois. W. H. DUNCAN, of South CaroUna. baYing reference to the restrictions imposed by law relative to the bind­ 0. R. BOYD, of Virginia. W . H. II. JOHNSTON, of Minne­ ing of books, etc., for the Department; which, with the accompanying sota. papers, was referred to the Committee on Appropriations, and ordered Capt. A. K. 1\Iiller, of Louisiana, offered the following.I·esolution, which wns to be printed. unanimously adopted: PETITIONS .AND 1\IEl\IORI.ALS. Resolved, That the secretary be authorized· to have printed immediately the resolution just passed, and that he be further requested to address a copy to the The PRESIDENT pro temp01·e presented a petition of members of the President of tbe United States, the members of the Cabinet, to each Senator and Washington Homeopathic Medical Society, praying for the repeal of Representative in the United St..'l.tes Congress, and to the governor of each · the import dnty on medical and surgical appliances; which was re­ State and Territory in the Union; nnd further, that the secretary be instructed to request Bon. A!Ios OUMIDNGS, of New York, and Ron. JoHN T. MORGAN, of ferred to the Committee on Finance. .Alabama., to present this resolution to the United States House of Representa­ :Mr. COCKRELL. I present the petition of Hon. James Harding, tives and to the United States Senate respectively. William G. Downing, and J . B. Breathitt, constituting the Board of E. 0 . STANARD (of Missouri), President of the Convention. Railroad Commissioners of Missouri, praying Congress to adopt a reso­ Official: lution instructing the Interstate Commerce Commission to consider the [sEAL.] CHARLES S. IDLL, casualties resulting from the coupling and uncoupling of freight cars Be~·etary of the Con vent ion. to persons employed at that business, and to engineers and brakemen 1\Ir. WILSON, of 1\Iaryland, presented a memorial of 54 citizens of in consequence of de.t!ctive brakes; also concerning the heating of cars. Baltimore County, :Maryland, remonstrating against the passage of I move that the petition be referred to the Committee on Interstate Senate bill 2083, for the establishment of a Bureau of Animal Indnstry, Commerce. and for other pnrposes; which was ordered to lie on the table. 1 The motion was agreed to. ~Ir . PAD DOCK presented a memorial of the .Agricultural Society of -; llr. SHERMAipres(mteda"'petitionsignedbyall the members ofthe the State of New York, remonstrating against the passage of Senate