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YOUR VOICE IN PARLIAMENT

THE FIRST MEETING OF THE FIFTH SESSION OF THE ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 20 NOVEMBER 2018

MIXED VERSION HANSARD NO. 192

DISCLAIMER Uno cial Hansard This transcript of Parliamentary proceedings is an uno cial version of the Hansard and may contain inaccuracies. It is hereby published for general purposes only. The nal edited version of the Hansard will be published when available and can be obtained from the Assistant Clerk (Editorial). THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SPEAKER The Hon. Gladys K. T. Kokorwe PH, MP. DEPUTY SPEAKER The Hon. Kagiso P. Molatlhegi, MP Gaborone South

Clerk of the National Assembly -- Ms B. N. Dithapo Deputy Clerk of the National Assembly -- Mr L. T. Gaolaolwe Learned Parliamentary Counsel -- Ms M. Mokgosi Assistant Clerk (E) -- Mr R. Josiah CABINET His Excellency Dr M. E. K. Masisi, MP --President

His Honour S. Tsogwane, MP. (Boteti West) --Vice President

Hon. Dr P. Venson-Moitoi, MP. (Serowe South) --Minister of Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. O. K. Mokaila, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Transport and Communications - Minister for Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. N. E. Molefhi, MP. (Selebi Phikwe East) - Administration

Hon. S. Kgathi, MP. (Bobonong) --Minister of Defence, Justice and Security -Minister of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation and Hon. T. S. Khama, MP. (Serowe West) - Tourism Hon. B. Arone, MP. (Okavango) --Minister of Basic Education Hon. D. K. Makgato, MP. (Sefhare - Ramokgonami) --Minister of Nationality, Immigration and Gender Affairs

Hon. O. K. Matambo, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Finance and Economic Development

Hon. Dr U. Dow, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of International Affairs and Cooperation

Hon. M. N. Ngaka, MP (Takatokwane) --Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Technology Hon. V. T. Seretse, MP. (Lentsweletau - Mmopane) --Minister of Infrastructure and Housing Development -Minister of Employment, Labour Productivity and Skills Hon. T. Mabeo, MP. (Thamaga - Kumakwane) - Development Hon. Dr A. Madigele, MP. (Mmathethe - -Minister of Health and Wellness Molapowabojang) - -Minister of Mineral Resources, Green Technology and Energy Hon. E. M. Molale, MP. (Specially Elected) - Security Hon. K. Mzwinila, MP (Mmadinare) --Minister of Land Management, Water and Sanitation Services Hon. T. Olopeng, MP. (Tonota) --Minister of Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Development

Hon. P. P. Ralotsia, MP. (Kanye North) --Minister of Agricultural Development and Food Security

Hon. B. J. Kenewendo, MP. (Specially Elected) --Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry Hon. B. M. Tshireletso, MP. (Mahalapye East) --Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development Hon. M. M. Goya, MP. (Palapye) --Assistant Minister, Investment, Trade and Industry -Assistant Minister, Youth Empowerment, Sport and Culture Hon. D. P. Makgalemele, MP (Shoshong) - Development -Assistant Minister, Tertiary Education, Research, Science and Hon. F. M. M. Molao, MP (Shashe West) - Technology

Hon. K. K. Autlwetse, MP (Serowe North) --Assistant Minister, Local Government and Rural Development

Hon. G. B. Butale, MP (Tati West) --Assistant Minister, Health and Wellness

Hon. T. Kwerepe, MP (Ngami) --Assistant Minister, Basic Education

-Assistant Minister, Land Management, Water and Sanitation Hon. I. E. Moipisi, MP (Kgalagadi North) - Services -Assistant Minister, Presidential Affairs, Governance and Public Hon. M. R. Shamukuni, MP (Chobe) - Administration

Hon. F. S. Van Der Westhuizen, MP. (Kgalagadi South) --Assistant Minister, Agricultural Development and Food Security MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT AND THEIR CONSTITUENCIES

Names Constituency

RULING PARTY (Botswana Democratic Party) Hon. S. M. Guma, MP Tati East Hon. C. De Graaff, MP Ghanzi South Hon. P. M. Maele, MP Lerala - Maunatlala Hon. L. Kablay, MP Letlhakeng - Lephephe Hon. S. Lelatisitswe, MP Boteti East Hon. J. Molefe, MP Mahalapye West Hon. K. Markus, MP Maun East Hon. P. Majaga, MP Nata-Gweta Hon. M. I. Moswaane, MP Francistown West Hon. B. H. Billy, MP Francistown East Hon. E. J. Batshu, MP Nkange Hon. S. Kebonang, MP Lobatse Hon. K. S. Gare, MP Moshupa-Manyana Hon. M. R. Reatile, MP Specially Elected OPPOSITION (Umbrella for Democratic Change) Hon. Adv. D. G. Boko, MP (Leader of Opposition) Gaborone Bonnington North Hon. G. S. M. Mangole, MP Mochudi West Hon. A. S. Kesupile, MP Kanye South Hon. N. S. L. M. Salakae, MP Ghanzi North Hon. Dr. T. O. M. Mmatli, MP Molepolole South Hon. S. M. Ntlhaile, MP Jwaneng -Mabutsane Hon. M. I. Khan, MP Molepolole North Hon. Kgosi Lotlamoreng II Goodhope - Mabule Hon. D. L. Keorapetse, MP Selebi Phikwe West Hon. S. O. S. Rantuana, MP Ramotswa Hon. K. M. Segokgo Tlokweng Hon. B. M. Molebatsi Mochudi East (Alliance for Progressives) Hon. W. B. Mmolotsi, MP Francistown South Hon. Maj. Gen. P. Mokgware, MP Gabane-Mmankgodi Hon. N. N. Gaolathe, MP Gaborone Bonnington South Hon. S. Kgoroba, MP Mogoditshane Hon. Dr P. Butale, MP Gaborone Central Hon. H. G. Nkaigwa, MP Gaborone North (Independent Member of Parliament) Hon. T. Moremi, MP Maun West TABLE OF CONTENTS FIRST MEETING OF THE FIFTH SESSION OF THE ELEVENTH PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 20 NOVEMBER, 2018

CONTENTS PAGE (S)

QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER...... 1 - 7

Response to the President’s Speech Motion (Resumed Debate)...... 8 - 36

WRITTEN ANSWER TO QUESTION NUMBER 1...... 5

ANNEX I...... 37 - 38

ANNEX II...... 39

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Tuesday 20th November, 2018 (iv) the contribution made by these street vendors to the society; and THE ASSEMBLY met at 2:00 p.m. (v) if there was a study conducted to find out the (THE SPEAKER in the Chair) number of dependents of these street vendors P R A Y E R S before the destruction of their structures and the findings thereof. * * * * ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL MR SPEAKER (MR MOLATLHEGI): Order! GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT Dumelang Batlotlegi Mapalamente, a re simololeng tiro (MS TSHIRELETSO): Mr Speaker, I am aware ka dipotso. Honourable Reatile ga a yo mo Ntlong. that during the last week of April 2018, Bye-Law QUESTIONS FOR ORAL ANSWER Enforcement officers based in Boteti Sub-District Council destroyed temporary structures/shacks for REVIEW OF CONDITIONS OF SERVICE FOR street vendors in Letlhakane Village. MEMBERS OF BOTSWANA DEFENCE FORCE (BDF) AND POLICE SERVICE (i) Mr Speaker, the reasons for destruction of these shacks are that the vendors and hawkers erected MR H. G. NKAIGWA (GABORONE NORTH): asked the Minister of Defence, Justice and Security: permanent structures, contrary to Central District Council Hawking and Street Vending Bye-Laws of (i) when the Minister will review the conditions of 2008. Furthermore, most of the shacks (mekhukhu) service for members of the Botswana Defence were in a depilated state while some were left Force and Botswana Police Service as promised unmaintained for long periods. The structures in Parliament; were a safe haven for criminals and harboring (ii) if he is aware that despite the risk within these of illegal activities. Boteti Sub-District Council professions, their salaries and allowances are still held consultative meetings with the hawkers and very low; and street vendors on the 12th September 2017 and 6th October 2017, before the operation for removal of (iii) what is being done to address shortage of illegal structures. accommodation as some soldiers are still accommodated in tents. (ii) Hawkers are permitted to operate anywhere within the council jurisdiction, provided they comply Later Date. by not erecting any permanent structures at their DESTRUCTION OF STRUCTURES/SHACKS places of operation. They are also allowed to FOR STREET VENDORS IN LETLHAKANE operate using gazebos and mountable shades. VILLAGE (iii) Mr Speaker, council has since acquired ownership MR S. LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): asked the of designated open spaces from the land board in Minister of Local Government and Rural Development September 2018. The initiative is meant to lease if she is aware that during the last week of April 2018, such spaces to small businesses who intend to Bye-Law Enforcement Officers based in Boteti Sub- erect structures. District Council destroyed temporary structures/shacks (iv) The vendors are issued with licenses which in turn (mekhukhu) for street vendors in Letlhakane village; leads to employment creation, hence contribute to and if so, to state: poverty alleviation. (i) the reasons for the destruction of these shacks; (v) There was no study conducted because it was (ii) what the ministry is doing to ensure that these not necessary. The operation was an enforcement people are given space to operate from and when exercise of conditions attached to the traders’ it will be done; licenses in line with the Central District Council Hawking and Street Vending Bye-Laws of 2008. I (iii) strategies in place to support these street vendors; thank you Mr Speaker.

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MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary. Mothusa Tona, Rona se re se buang ke gore re ba batletse lefelo le ba tlhalosa gore batho ba ba the street vendors ba ba neng ba tlaa nnang sentle, ba dira teng. Tota re na le melao ya dirile mekhukhu, ba ka tswa ba ntse foo lebaka le le kae, the hawkers Mr Speaker, ya gore street vendor go tewa le gore a go ne go sena epe tsela e e ka tsewang ntle le eng, hawkers go tewa eng, o nna lebaka le le kae. Ke ne go ba utlwisa botlhoko, go tshuba dilo tsa bahumanegi; ke dumalana le Honourable Moswaane fa a ne a re re ke gore o ba nyeletsa? A go ne go sena sepe se se neng ba batlele fa ba ka besetsang mebidi le tse dingwe teng, se ka dirwa ka gore fa re tsamaya mo mafatsheng mo, re jaaka re kile ra dira mo Gaborone. Ke a leboga. fitlhela street vendors ba rekisa dinama, kwano e tlaabo e kete ba bolaile motho. O e lebelela e ntse jang kgang DEPLOYMENT OF SPECIAL CONSTABLES e Tona? TO SOME VILLAGES IN NKANGE CONSTITUENCY MS TSHIRELETSO: Mr Speaker, kana ke gore dilo tse di diragala kwa dikhanseleng re seyo. E rile fa ba MR E. J. BATSHU (NKANGE): asked the Minister of ba rekisang mo dikgaolong tsa lona tsa Gaborone, Defence, Justice and Security when he will post Special barekisi kana the hawkers ba tla kwa go rona, gotwe ba Constables to Dagwi, Changate, Nswazwi and Makuta ntshiwa mo ditseleng, nna ka sebele ka tsamaya le bone villages in the Nkange Constituency. ka re itse gore ke gone ka fa ba tshelang ka teng, ra ba batlela mafelo fa thoko; five metres away from the road, Later Date. mme ba ne ba tshela sentle. Ba Mogoditshane le Maun ALLOCATION OF OPEN SPACES IN go kile ga nna jalo. Jaanong ba, re utlwa fela gore ba GABORONE NORTH TO A FOREIGN PRIVATE ne ba ntshiwa, mme tlhaloso ke gone gore go dirilwe COMPANY gape fa e leng gore ba ka rekisetsa teng. Ke sone se se nkgotsofatsang gore fa ba diretswe to lease, e se gore ba MR H. G. NKAIGWA (GABORONE NORTH): a e duela, e le go fiwasebaka se se rileng ba bo ba dirisa. asked the Minister of Land Management, Water and Ke tsaya gore re lekile rraetsho. Mme fela kgang e o e Sanitation Services: buang, motho o ka se ke a e ganetsa fa e le lepolotiki (i) why the ministry allocated over eight hectares of gore mo Botswana, o kare ka tsa rona re humile go feta land, being seven open spaces; that are plot numbers a mangwe mafatshe fa re tla go lebelela ba ba itlhokang, 56018, 56147, 54409, 56273, 56128, 56086 and ba ba kwa tlase. Re tlaa e baakanya. Tanki. 55841 in the Gaborone North Constituency, to a HONOURABLE MEMBER: Supplementary. private company owned by foreigners despite lack of land for residential development in Gaborone; MR SPEAKER: Ya bofelo Honourable Molebatsi. (ii) if he is aware that the said land that was reserved MR MOLEBATSI: Ke a leboga Motsamaisa for residential development has now been changed Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Tona, potso (v) e ne e botsa to commercial development by a single entity; and gore a go nnile le patlisiso, mme mo karabong ya gago wa re go ne go sa tlhokafale. Kana fa o araba o re go (iii) if he is aware that despite giving such land to ne go sa tlhokafale, ga go bontshe kutlwelobotlhoko, go foreigners, the last allocation for land to Batswana bontsha boswele le bosetlhogo bongwe le bongwe jo o for residential purposes in Gaborone was for ka bo akanyang, batho ba ithusa ba sa utswe, ba rekisa, individuals that applied as far back as 1989. ba go tlhokwang gore ba gakololwe, ba atumelwe. Ke Later Date. a leboga. UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF BOTSWANA MS TSHIRELETSO: Ke kakgelo ya Sekgatla fela e. COLLEGE OF DISTANCE AND OPEN Le fa o bona re batla gore ba itshetse, mme ga re batle LEARNING (BOCODOL) gape ditoropo le mafelo a rona a bifelwe ke batho. Ditante, dibagabikinyana; ka Sengwato go na le mo MR S. O. S. RANTUANA (RAMOTSWA): asked gotweng sebagabiki kana ke Sekgatla, jaanong dilo tsa the Minister of Tertiary Education, Research, Science go nna jalo fa di gasagasame mo gongwe go wetse kwa, and Technology to apprise this Honourable House on mo gongwe go lepeletse … even in your yard ga o ka ke the status of Botswana College of Distance and Open wa letlelela gore e re motho a tsena go se ka ga kgatlha. Learning (BOCODOL) and to state:

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(i) the number of students who enroll for Botswana (ii) The structure or the setup at villages allows General Certificate for Secondary Education Headmen of Record to have Headmen of (BGCSE) examinations nationwide yearly since Arbitration to man the Arbitration courts 2014; (Dikgotlana), including the main ward. These provide assistance to the village Kgosi (Headman (ii) whether these students are coping with the of Record). syllabus; (iii) During the financial year 2018/2019, my (iii) the number of students who have proceeded to ministry was allocated 665 slots for Headmen of tertiary institutions since 2014; and Arbitration, to cater for all Dikgotlana as well as Headmen of Arbitration who were already serving (iv) the number of teachers employed at the college. but not receiving allowances.

Later Date. (iv) Mr Speaker, I am not aware of any village request proposal of Headmen of Arbitration that were STATUS OF TRIBAL ADMINISTRATION IN made and rejected. What I am aware of is that MMATSHUMO, KHWEE AND MMEA Boteti Sub-District submitted a request for 32 MR S. LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): asked the positions from which Mmea was allocated three Minister of Local Government and Rural Development posts based on their request, while Mokubilo to apprise this Honourable House on the status of Tribal and Mmatshumo made no additional requests for Administration in Mmatshumo, Khwee and Mmea and Headmen of Arbitration. to further state: (v) Currently, there is no need for the establishment (i) whether each village mentioned above has only of posts for Headmen of Arbitration and Record in one Headman of Records and if so, what happens the three villages as the positions are adequate to when they are on leave; serve the communities. I thank you Mr Speaker. MR LELATISITSWE: Supplementary. Tona wa (ii) if the establishment for Headman of Records Dikgaolo, Mme Tshireletso, seemo se sa Kgosi yo caters for assistants and if not, when will they be mongwefela… ke a utlwa gore o bua ka bo Headmen provided for; of Arbitration, ba tetlanyo, a o tlhaloganya gore they do (iii) when the number of Headmen of Arbitration for not have any power mo molaong le fa e le go tshwara pene? Jaanong fa o re ba teng go thusa, ba thusa ka these villages will be increased and how many will tsela e e ntseng jang? For example, fa ke tsaya motse o be appointed per village; tshwana le Khwee o o nang la Kgosi a le mongwefela, (iv) the number of villages that have requested for yo o nang le more than seven months a ntse a lwala mme additional Headmen of Arbitration and were go se na le fa e le sepe se se diragalang koo. Dikgang tse denied; and di tshwanang le tsa bo Mmatshumo fa Kgosi a seyo ka koo, o fitlhela go na le tlhakatlhakano e e seng kana ka (v) when consideration will be made for these villages sepe. Jaanong ke ipotsa gore batho ba ba ya go hirelwa to have adequate posts of Headmen of Arbitration leng ba bobedi, gore e re fa yo mongwe a lwala kana a and Records respectively. seyo, yo mongwe a bo a tshwarelela, le kwa Mmea. Ke ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL eng go bonala fela thata mo kgaolong ya Boteti? GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT (MS TSHIRELETSO): Thank you Mr Speaker. MS TSHIRELETSO: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. Re leba population, so ga e ka ke ya re batho fela ba le 400 re (i) Mr Speaker, Mmatshumo, Khwee and Mmea bo re ya go hira manpower wa go feta bongwefela. Fa villages have each one Headman of Record. a seyo, re na le yo e leng gore o a sekisa, e bile o a mo When they are on leave, an arrangement is made thusa, a tswa mo mafelong a ke setseng ke a boletse. for those in the neighbouring villages to assist. Headman of Arbitration o a thusa ka gore bontsi jwa Mmatshumo is assisted by Dikgosi from Mosu, ditsheko ga di ye kwa Kgotleng, di feletswa fela kwa Khwee by Letlhakane and Mmea by Mokubilo. Dikgotlaneng, jaaka dikgang tsa bo dikoko di jele

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moomelo le tse dingwe. Tse di tona ke tsone tse di yang (ii) Out of the 12 accidents, 10 were as a result of kwa go Kgosi, mme fa a seyo re dira dithulaganyo. Ke a drivers’ error (for example; over speeding, fatigue, leboga mong wa me. drunken driving, etc) whereas two were caused by outside interference of animals (livestock and UPDATE ON THE OPERATIONALISATION OF wildlife). SECURITY SERVICES ACT OF 2015 (iii) The road was de-bushed during the last quarter of MR E. J. BATSHU (NKANGE): asked the Minister of 2017/18 (from 20th November 17 – 31st January Defence, Justice and Security to update this Honourable 2018) and at the beginning of 2018/19 financial House on the progress towards the full operationalisation year (13th March 2018 – 11th April 2018). of the Security Services Act of 2015 particularly: (iv) Animal barrier fence was not included in the (i) when the Act commenced; scope for construction of this road due to financial constraints. (ii) whether regulations to facilitate its implementation have been published; and (v) Currently there is no policy regarding fencing of roads, however, where it is found imperative to do (iii) if the necessary training of security guards is in so, an Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) place. should be undertaken. In the case of the road in mention, the assessment has shown that fencing of Later Date. this road might interfere with movement of wild ROAD ACCIDENTS ALONG MMATSHUMO- animals from the territory in the pans. LETLHAKANE ROAD (vi) Due to non-restricted movement of wildlife in the MR S. LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): asked the area, there is no need for an animal barrier fence along Minister of Local Government and Rural Development this road to be included in the National Development to apprise this Honourable House on: Plan 11. I thank you Mr Speaker.

(i) the nature and number of road accidents that have MR LELATISITSWE: Supplementary. Thank you so much Honourable Minister. I just wanted to understand, happened in the past three years; why as the Ministry of Local Government and Rural (ii) the number of lives lost during these accidents Development you are much interested in this road along Mmatshumo-Letlhakane road; as it is outside the village? My thinking was that this road should be under the Ministry of Transport and (iii) when the road was last de-bushed and de-stumped; Communications. Why are you still answering issues related to it? What is your interest in this road? (iv) whether the road has an animal barrier fence; if not, why; MS TSHIRELETSO: Our interest is that we are the ones who constructed these roads and they are still (v) to state the road policy regarding the above (iv); under our mandate. We do not have much interest on the and bitumen standard, but the issue is that it is still with us, (vi) whether the ministry will implement all that is until we hand over. There are many of them, maybe he needed for the road in National Development Plan does not know that we are still taking care of. There is (NDP) 11. no much interest, e bile ga re batle ka gore re batla go tswa mo go tsone. Re tlaa di isa kwa go bone fa re fetsa. ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT MR LELATISITSWE: Supplementary. Ya interest e (MS TSHIRELETSO): padile. Ke botsa gore a mme le a bona gore holding onto this road le dira gore jaanong the ministry which was (i) Mr Speaker, twelve (12) Road Traffic Accidents supposed to be taking care of the roads, fail its mandate (RTA) were reported to have occurred and wa go ntsha ditlhare mo tseleng or fence the road? It is registered along Mmatshumo/Letlhakane road for not your mandate as the Ministry of Local Government the past three years. and Rural Development. When are you handing it back

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to where it is supposed to be? Re bolelele fela tota gore MR SPEAKER: Yes, if you have a long answer. Wa re interest ya lona ke eng mo tseleng e, because ga re itse how many pages? gore interest ya lona ke eng. MR SERETSE: 50. MS TSHIRELETSO: Mr Speaker, ditsela tse morago ga dithulaganyo tsotlhe tsa tsamaiso ya Puso re di neela MR SPEAKER: Give the Member a written answer. ba Roads. Ga ke na letsatsi mo nakong e ke emeng ka MR SERETSE: Thank you sir. yone fa, e tlaa re fa le le teng re tlaa kopana, fa re ka kopanang teng ka bolelela Mopalamente. Ke a leboga. WRITTEN ANSWER TO QUESTION NUMBER 1 STRATEGIES IN PLACE TO FIGHT POLLUTION IN BOTSWANA Mr Speaker, allow me to preface our response to the Honourable Member’s question by indicating that our MR E. J. BATSHU (NKANGE): asked the Minister understanding is that the information required covers of Environment, Natural Resources Conservation periods following the adoption of the policy document and Tourism to update this Honourable House on in 2015. In this regard the information provides herein the strategies in place to fight pollution in Botswana start from financial year to 2015/2016 to 2017/2018. considering that it has become the largest environmental Compilation for the current financial year is still being threat and cause of diseases and deaths throughout the collated. world. (i) Mr Speaker with regard to Micro Procurement, Later Date. the Ministry would like to inform the house that 79 contractors (supplies) have benefitted from YOUTH COMPANIES THAT BENEFITED FROM this provision of the Affirmative Action Policy THE MINISTRY OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND of 2015. Annexure 1 provides the names and HOUSING DEVELOPMENT amounts procured through these service providers. The total amount procured for 2017 / 2018 and MR M. R. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): 2018/2019 financial years are P249,347.76 and asked the Minister of Infrastructure and Housing P306,080.58 respectively. Development to state the names and number of youth companies that have benefited from his ministry (ii) Regarding reservation of maintenance projects including Parastatals and Independent Departments Mr Speaker, 73 projects were reserved for youth under Government Policy Reform of 2015: Affirmative contractors for the financial year 2015/2016. Out Action in Favour of Youth on the following: of these projects 67 contractors, as some were awarded more than one project, were engaged (i) Reservation on micro procurement (Local at a total value of P 53,068,170.95. These youth Procurement Scheme Presidential Directive CAB contractors were able to employ a total of 19(B) 2013); approximately 977 youths in these projects. (See (ii) Reservation on maintenance (Permanent Annexure 2) Secretary, MIST Savingram - MIST 2/761/1 VI Mr Speaker, for 2016/2017 financial year, twenty- (71) OF 7 May 2014); seven (27) projects were awarded to 27 youth (iii) Price preference (Local Procurement Scheme companies at a total amount of P87,752,091.50. Presidential Directive CAB 19(B) 2013); and The number of youth employed through these projects was approximately 555 employees. Mr (iv) he should further state the lowest and highest Speaker, I must inform the house that 13 of these amount awarded for each tender. projects were awarded through the Economic Stimulus Programme (ESP), mainly for health MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND staff houses across the country. HOUSING DEVELOPMENT (MR SERETSE): Mr Speaker, this question demanded that we go through a Mr Speaker as for 2017/2018 financial year, 14 lot of record and I have 50 pages here. I think I will give projects were awarded to 13 youth companies at it to the Honourable Member. a total amount of P17,072,881.90. The number

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of youth employed through these projects was (i) Reservation on Micro Procurement (Local approximately five, 181 employees. Procurement Scheme Presidential Directive CAB 19(B) 2013); For my ministry Mr Speaker, I wish to inform this house that in implementing this initiative, we (ii) Reservation on Maintenance (Permanent also include the engagement of individual trade Secretary, MIST Savingram- MIST 2/761/1 VI persons (see Annexure 3). (71) OF 7 May 2014); (iii) Price Preference (Local Procurement Scheme (iii) In terms of price preference Mr Speaker, the Presidential Directive CAB 19(B) 2013); and ministry has realized over time that youth contractors do not win tenders under this provision (iv) she should further state the lowest and highest of the affirmative action as they are competing amount awarded for each tender. with more experienced bidders. We have taken a deliberate action to be more skewed towards ASSISTANT MINISTER OF INVESTMENT, Reservation policies as youth compete against TRADE AND INDUSTRY (MR GOYA): Thank you youth, which gives certainty that the winning bid Mr Speaker. Ke ne ke re ke tlile go simolola sa ntlha will be that of a youth contractor. ke dumedisa Kgosi Lotlamoreng. Legale o dule mme madume o tla a amogela ka break. Having realized this gap in their performance the Ministry of Infrastructure and Housing (i) Mr Speaker, since beginning of this financial year th Development conducts workshops for youth up to 30 October 2018, a total of 116 youth- contractors in our register to up-skill them. Since owned companies benefited under the Reservation 2009, Youth companies’ directors have been on Micro Procurement at an amount of P8,759 trained in different construction industry topics, 760.47 from my ministry departments and such as; procurement and tendering, project parastatals. management and contract administration, financial (ii) Mr Speaker, under the Reservation on management, performance bonds and mobilisation Maintenance, my ministry, including Parastatals guarantee, mentoring by well-established local awarded 15 tenders to youth-owned companies and international contractors and registration of to the tune of P2,928,318.20, during this financial professionals. year. (iv) Mr Speaker, on the highest and lowest amount I can (iii) During beginning of this financial year up to inform the house that over the reporting period an 30th October 2018, a total of eight youth-owned amount of P45.00 (2018/2019) financial year was companies benefited from the Price Preference paid out as the lowest while the highest amount Scheme, at an amount of P2,075, 988.46. is P34,803.33 (2017/2018) financial year. In Mr Speaker, the lowest and highest amount awarded for respect of maintenance/development projects the each tender are as follows: lowest amount is P1,132.00 (2015/2016) financial year and the highest amount is P14,261,663.92 • Micro Procurement - P1,000 and P1,732,825.76, (2016/2017) financial year. I thank you Mr respectively. Speaker. • Reservation on Maintenance - P27,619.20 and YOUTH COMPANIES THAT BENEFITED FROM P794,127.46, respectively. THE MINISTRY OF INVESTMENT, TRADE AND • Price Preference - P2,250 and P1,533,873.60, INDUSTRY respectively.

MR M. R. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): I thank you very Mr Speaker. asked the Minister of Investment, Trade and Industry to state the names and number of youth companies MR MOSWAANE: Supplementary. Ke botse Tona that have benefited from her Ministry and Independent gore mo dikarabong tse a setseng a di file, o beega pelo Departments under Government Policy Reform of 2015: gore go a kgotsofatsa kana ke lemmenyana fela? Ke a Affirmative Action in Favour of Youth on the following: leboga.

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MR GOYA: Tanki Mr Speaker le mokaulengwe. Fa o out in the policy and benefited from the policy. leba ka fa re thusang banana ka teng, o leba le letlotle However, Bank of Botswana does not keep la rona gore le na le bokae, go a kgotsofatsa ka gore ba specific information on the youth companies. The dikompone tse di kwa tlasetlase tse di bidiwang Micro, names of the 115 youth companies are listed in the Medium and Small Enterprises, ba teng, re ba thusitse attached table as Annex I. Mr Speaker. Le dipalo tse ke ntseng ke di bua tse, ke matshebetshebe a madi, bo P2 million or P1 million ba, (ii) A total of 114 youth companies under the listed ke sengwe, le bone ba ka re takataka kwa malwapeng. parastatals failed to meet the requirements of the Ke a leboga. policy and the names of these companies are also in Annexe I. YOUTH COMPANIES THAT BENEFITED FROM PARASTATALS UNDER THE MINISTRY OF (iii) The lowest and highest amounts awarded for each FINANCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT tender under the listed parastatals are indicated in Annexe II. Thank you very much. They are all MR M. R. REATILE (SPECIALLY ELECTED): here. asked the Minister of Finance and Economic Development if Botswana Stock Exchange (BSE), Motor Vehicle MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. It would appear Accident Fund (MVA), Public Procurement and Asset that about half of the youth companies are able to meet Disposal Board (PPADB), Statistics Botswana, Bank the requirements. About half because you had said 150 of Botswana (BOB), Botswana Accountancy Oversight failed, yes, it is about a half, from the answer that you Authority (BAOA), Non-Bank Financial Institution have given; more than 40 per cent at least. Why are they Regulatory Authority (NBFIRA), Botswana Unified unable to meet these requirements? What are you doing Revenue Service (BURS), National Development Bank to make sure that they meet these requirements and (NDB) applied the Government Policy Reform of 2015: whether you are satisfied as Honourable Moswaane had Affirmative Action in Favour of Youth; and if so, to asked about the youth participation? state: MR MATAMBO: Thank you very much. No, certainly (i) the names and number of youth companies that I am not satisfied that this number of companies that met the requirements set out in the policy and failed to meet the requirements of the policy and tenders. benefited; I wish they had succeeded obviously. As for the reasons why they had failed, I do not have those reasons here (ii) the names and number of youth companies that failed to meet the requirements; and with me right now, but for all I know, this is not the first time that companies fail, even the companies which are (iii) the lowest and highest amount awarded for each owned and operated by adults, not youth for that matter, tender. sometimes do fail to meet the requirements of a tender. MINISTER OF FINANCE AND ECONOMIC It is not something that is peculiar and new; it is not a DEVELOPMENT (MR MATAMBO): Thank you new phenomenon, but as I say, the most important thing very much Mr Speaker. This question requires a lot of is that I wish they had succeeded. I thank you. detailed information in respect of nine parastatals under MR KEORAPETSE: Supplementary. Honourable my ministry. I have therefore prepared two Annexes by answer. So, in my answer, I will only give summary Minister, the reason I asked about their failure to meet information. the requirements is that this is an Affirmative Action Policy and the object of the policy is to ensure that the Let me start by indicating that I am happy to confirm youth participate. Do you think that it is necessary for that the parastatal companies listed in the question you to know the reasons for purpose of informing policy by the Honourable Member have complied with direction for more youth participation? the Government Policy Reform of 2015 relating to Affirmative Action on youth in favour of youth. MR MATAMBO: It is a good suggestion, so I will try and find out the reasons. I thank you. (i) There are 115 youth companies in total for the listed parastatals that met the requirements set MR SPEAKER: Thank you. A re tsweleleng.

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RESPONSE TO THE PRESIDENT’S la Botswana, ba bone botsogo jo bo rileng. Go utlwisa SPEECH botlhoko ka kwa lephateng la ga Goromente kwa sepateleng seo. The waiting periods tsa bo eight to 16 Motion hours motho a ntse a eme fela mo sepatela gotwe o bona (Resumed Debate) ngaka, tsone tse di felelang mo letsogong, ke seemo se se ngomolang pelo. Re itse gore sepatela sa Letlhakane MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Honourable Members. se teng mo National Development Plan (NDP) 11. Re a tswelela ka puisanyo e re ntseng re tsweletse ka Go a tlhokafala gore midterm review e leke go isiwa yone. Maabane Honourable Lelatisitswe o ne a santse a kwa pele, ke lebeletse population ka fa e golang ka bua, o saletswe ke 33 minutes. teng. Ba rotlhe re a re itse gore Letlhakane ke maphutha- MR LELATISITSWE (BOTETI EAST): Ke a ditšhaba, batho ba ba tletseng kwa bale ga se ba e leng leboga Mr Speaker go bo o mphile sebaka sa gore ke gore ke ba ba tsholwang mo Letlhakane fela, ke ba tswelele le go buisa puisanyo e ya ga Tautona. Ke sa lefatshe le lotlhe. Bangwe fa ba tsena kwa, ba lebelela tswa go bua maabane fa re kgaogana fa gore ke tswa se ba se dirang, e nna bone ba ba tsosang modumo go kwa kgaolong e e bidiwang Boteti East, e e tsenyang feta, ba re ga re itseye tsia, ba lebala gore ba ba tsayang metse ya Letlhakane, Mmatshumo, Mosu, Mokubilo, ditshwetso ke gone kwa ba tswang teng. Seemo se ke Mmea, Makgaba le Khwee, e ke e fentseng; kgaolo eo sengwe sa dilo tse di tshwenyang thata re lebeletse tsa e ntshepile gore ke e goge. Ke tshwere matshwenyego a yone. Kana fa Tautona a a fa State of the Nation Address, botsogo. nna ke fa state sa Boteti East. Ga ke ka ke ka bua tsa Ke kile ka bua ka re, ka gore ke motho wa botsogo, ga ke lefatshe lotlhe, ke tlaa bua ka tsa Boteti East. Tautona itse gore Goromente o palelwa ke eng gore go dirisiwe has covered tsa lefatshe lotlhe, a akaretsa. private doctors, Government should engage them, ba Ke supe jalo gore kgaolo e ke kgaolo e e leng gore-, jaaka leke go thusa. Ga go pale sepe gore Goromente a tlhophe ke buile maabane mo dintlheng tse ke neng ke le di baya clinics tsa private doctors gongwe mo motseng mongwe pele, ke lebeletse tsa botsogo jaaka Tautona a di buile a le mongwe, e e nang le private clinic and engage them. supa mananeo a Puso. Ke re re a a amogela rraetsho. Kwa E re fa motho a bonwa ke nurse, nurse a mo fitisetse kwa kgaolong e ya Boteti East, go na le mathata, segolo jang clinic eo. Ngaka eo ene letsatsi le letsatsi o a itse gore o mo motseng wa Letlhakane. Motse o o gola setoropo bone batho ba ba kae ba ba tswang kwa ga Goromente. thata. Rraetsho, le dikompone tse di dirang itsholelo ya Kwa morago o romela bill fela kwa ministry. Golo mo lefatshe la Botswana, tsotlhe di gorogela koo. Mekoti e go ka fokotsa yone phiro ya dingaka e gotweng e a pala. bulwa beke le beke ka kwa; dikompone di a fapaana. Fa Ga ke itse gore a go palela Goromente kana re palelwa o tsena kwa sepateleng sele, o fitlhela go tlhomola pelo. Ke ne ke tsentse potso mo Palamenteng fa maloba e e fela ke go akanya dilo tse di ka re tlhofofaletsang go neng e bua ka bodiredi jwa sepatela. Le fa ntswa ke ne tsamaisa botsogo. Go a diragala mo mafatsheng fela ka ke seyo, ke ne ka bona karabo. Ke ne ka ipotsa gore a fa bontsi, where the private sector is engaged gore ba re Tona a araba jaana, a re re reng rona batho ba Boteti, a thuse go tsamaisa. supa gore dingaka di tlhano, establishment ya rialo. Selo Bangwe ba kile ba tla kwa go nna ba re ba lekile gore ba sa ntlha ke ipotsa gore establishment registers tse di itlhaope, ba lebeletse seemo se se kwa sepateleng sele. dirisiwang mo dipateleng, di sale di dirwa leng? Seemo O utlwa fela gotwe, “fa ngaka o itlhaopile, fa go nna le se se a tshwenya gore di sale di dirwa bogologolo go mathata re ya go go thusa …,” ke gore go a pala. Ngaka santse go akanngwa gore kwa sepatela go ka tla batho o leka go itlhaopa a re ke ka ntsha four, five hours wa ba le 10 mo go sone. Gompieno fa o tsaya sepatela se me, go a pala gore ministry o mo letlelele a itlhaope, tshwana le sa Letlhakane, o bo o re dingaka tse five di not charging Goromente. Dilo tse di lekilwe, ba lekile enough, moo ke matlhabisaditlhong. ba lebelela seemo se se fale. Akanya motho e le ene Tona wa Botsogo o tshwanetse gore a itse gore o yo gotweng o epa diteemane tsone tse di tsamaisang latlheletse botsogo kwa kgaolong ya Boteti East thata. lefatshe, a bo a ya go tlhola 24 hours kwa sepateleng, Golo kwa jaaka ke buile, batho ba ba berekang kwa, fa a tswa foo a bo a sa thusiwe, a bo kamoso gotwe a ke batho ba dithutego tse di rileng, ba dira ditiro tse di boele tirong. Ke sone se kamoso o tlaa fitlhelang re na le rileng, ba eletsa gore jaaka ba tlile go direla lefatshe dikotsi tse dintsi kwa meepong.

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Referral system mo lefatsheng la Botswana, e, e land board ba go bolelela gore, Goromente ga a na madi general. O fitlhela batho ba beelwa bookings tsa bo six a go fudusa batho ba e leng gore gongwe ba ka suta fa re months, seven months. People die while they are on long ka le neelang lefatshe teng. Batho ba felela ba fela pelo, queues on referrals. Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse Goromente ba bo ba felela ba ipaya. Dikereke le tsone di di ntsi o tshwanetseng gore a di emele ka dinao ka gore ba le mo go gakgamatsang, mme legale ga go makatse. Kana bantsi ba re bolelela ba tswa kwa, o utlwa gotwe, “ke kwa madi a leng ma ntsi teng dikereke di nna di ntsi. Re beetswe gore ke ye go bona ngaka ngwaga o o tlang ka felela re na le squatters tse di ntsintsi tsa dikereke. April.” O ka ipotsa gore bolwetse jone bo tswelela jang mo dikgweding tse di kalo. Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse e leng MR MMOLOTSI: On a point of clarification. gore di a tshwenya fela thata. Ga re a tshwanela go nna Mokaulengwe is making an inference ya gore dikereke le seemo se se ntseng jaana. le madi go a tsamaelana. Ke re gongwe o re tlhalosetse ka correlation between go nna teng ga dikereke le madi. Fa o tsaya clinic e tshwana ya Mokubilo; tota ke clinic e e leng gore it is in the centre between Francistown and MR LELATISITSWE: Rraetsho, ke ne ke tsaya gore Letlhakane, mme fa e sena ngaka, e nna seemo se se gongwe ka re kile ra tsena kereke e nngwefela mmogo, tshwenyang. O lebelela fela ka fa batho ba thusiwang o ne o itse gore go ne go nna le nako e go neng gotwe ka teng, ke ntwananyana fela e nngwefela e e foo, e re ntshe moneelo. Re ne re tlhola re tlhomagana re ntsha e senang e fa e le a waiting area fa dipula di na kana meneelo. Jaanong, golo moo dikereke di a oketsega. go le letsatsi. Ke seemo sa botsogo kwa kgaolong ya Fa o tsaya motse o tshwana Mokubilo/Mmea/Makgaba, rona. Golo moo go a tshwenya fela thata Motsamaisa ke mengwe ya metse e e leng gore banana le batsadi ba Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. koo, le bone ba santse ba le mo kutlobotlhokong ka ntata Tota fa ke bua ka sone sepatela se sa Letlhakane, fa yone ya kabo ya lefatshe. Go santse go le thata gore ba o re o lebelela sone staffing, batho ba Modimo ba mo ka fiwa lefatshe, ba ne ba ntse ba tshwerwe ke study mathateng. I do not blame them, ga gona sepe se ba ka sa Makgadikgadi Framework Plan, se ke dumelang se itirang. Dikgang tse ke dipotso tse dintsi tse ke di gore se fedile go ya ka fa ke filweng pego ka teng. Go tsentseng mo Palamenteng ke leka go supa the state of santse go le thata gore batho ba fiwe lefatshe kana ba Letlhakane Hospital gore Goromente o tlaa tsiboga, abelwe ditsha. Ba setse ba eme fela, letsatsi le letsatsi ba mme le gompieno go ntse go tshwana fela. Re mo a kokota gore, kana re batla go tlhabologa le rona, mme mathateng one a a ntseng jalo. Ga gona ambulances le seemo se se a re tshwenya. Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse e leng staff se a tlhaela fela mo go gakgamatsang, mo go dirang gore di a tshwenya thata kwa kgaolong ya rona. gore batho ba eme lebaka le le leele. Mo gongwe fa re ntse re lebile tsone dikgang tse tsa Maloba re ne re tlhasetswe ke diarrhoea. Ke dumela jalo lefatshe tse, kana kgaolo e ya Boteti jaaka ke buile gore Ministry of Health and Wellness, o ka dumalana gore ke kgaolo ya meepo, re ne ra bona maloba go nna le nna gore Boteti East was the hardest hit. Ke yone le katoloso ya mine rraetsho. Mine wa Debswana o e e neng e amilwe thata ke diarrhoea yone eo go feta oketsega kana o kopa lefatshe le lengwe gore o katologe. dikgaolo tsotlhe tse di mo lefatsheng la Botswana. Fa o Batho ba le bantsi ba a amega, ka ba ne ba fudisiwa mo lebelela sone sepatela fela ka bo sone, se ka nna sa go mafelong a bone a ba neng ba ntse ba tshelela mo go tsenya bolwetse o goroga fela kwa kgorong. Ke tsaya one. Dikgang tse ke dikgang tse morero wa tsone go gore tseo ke tse di amang tsa botsogo, go a tlhokafala lebegang o sa tsamaya sentle ka gore Batswana jaaka gore Goromente a eme ka dinao and engage the private re itse, kwa ba tshelang teng ke baruakgomo, kana ba sector ka ditsela tse re di buang. Gongwe go ka fokotsa tshela ka tsone tsa diatla. Jaanong, fa ba fudusiwa mo mosuke one o re o bonang kwa dipateleng tse re tswang mafelong ao, ba ya go bewa mo setlhopheng. Kana fa kwa go tsone. o na le moraka, le bo le tsewa le le 10 le tsenngwa mo polaseng e nngwefela, e e leng gore ba bangwe ba e fiwa Rraetsho fa ke bua ka tsa lefatshe, go utlwisa botlhoko motho wa teng a le mongwefela, gotwe le ya go nna thata go tswa kwa kgaolong e e tshwanang e ya a syndicate, go raya gore there is no room for growth. Letlhakane kana ya Boteti. Kwa motseng wa Letlhakane Diteemane tse re ipokang ka tsone, rona kwa kgaolong re tlhasetswe ke bo maipaafela rraetsho. Bo maipaafela ya rona ya Boteti di sotla Batswana ba bangwe, ka gore ba bonwa koo, ka lebaka la gore ba kabo ditsha ba Batswana fa ba le 10 o bo o ba tsenya mo polaseng e itemogela bothata mo go abeng lefatshe. Fa o botsa ba nngwefela, o ba fitlhela ba na le meraka, ke sengwe se

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se tshwenyang thata. Ke dumela gore re tshwanetse gore jalo ba ya go epa diteemane ba sa tlhapa? Ke dingwe tse dilo tse re di emele ka dinao. re tshwanetseng gore re di lebelele fela thata.

Maloba ke ne ke tsentse potso mo Palamenteng, Fa o tsaya motse wa Mmatshumo, le one metsi a teng ga ke botsa budget e e neng e beilwe gore batho ba ba se a a nwegang. Tona e santse e le Rre Kitso Mokaila, tlaabong ba fudisiwa gone ka kwa mine o golelang teng le ene o kile a supa gone fa gore metsi ale ga a siamela ke bokae. Ke ne ka makala thata e bile ke ne ka swaba botsogo mo dipotsong tse ke neng ke di tsentse mo ke bona e le gore the budget is over P5 million, mme Palamenteng e. Segolo jang e bile malatsi a malwetse a go dirisitswe P1.3 kana P1.7 million somewhere there, le mantsi o ne a bo high blood; these non-communicable not even half of that. O fitlhela Batswana ba ngongorega diseases, tota ga a siamela bagolo le bana. Ke dumela regarding compensation, mme madi a ne a ntshitswe gore fa ba a dirisa lebaka le le leele ga a a ba siamela. Go fela a le kana, ke ipotsa gore Batswana ba ke eng ba supagetse gore fa o tsena mo motseng wa Mmatshumo, sa kgotsofale. Why re le Batswana re sotla ba bangwe o fitlhela batho ka bo ntsi meno a bone a le brown e le ka gore madi a tsamaisiwa ke rona? Gore Batswana ba one metsi a ba a nwang a a sa siamang… ba kgotsofadiwe, ke raya gore madi a a kalo ke madi a HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… mantsi a a ka ba rekelang dipolase mo go ba ba rekisang kana a ba batlela botshelo ka fa go kgonegang ka teng. MR LELATISITSWE: Ke tswa mo Letlhakane, ke ya Gore a mme re ikgantsha ka go busa madi go na le go Mmatshumo fela ke eta. Metse e tshwana le bo Mmea, thusa Batswana? Ga se mo go tshwanetseng gore go nne Makgaba le Mosu, le bone ba na le seemo sa metsi. Go jalo, re itumelele gore we saved madi at the expense sale go epiwa sediba le gompieno gotwe se tlaa direlwa of Batswana ba ba neng ba tshela foo, gompieno re ba plant which will be purifying metsi; e ke kgang e e tseetse boswa jo e kabong e le jwa bana ba bone. Ga se buetsweng ruri ga e wele, jaanong seemo se le sone se a tshwenya. Gompieno pipes tse di tsentsweng go tswa golo mo go siameng gotlhelele. mo motseng wa Mokubilo go ya kwa Mmea ke tse di Mine displaced batho, a batho bao ba kgotsofadiwe tshesanyane, tse e leng gore fa metsi a re a ya koo di fela jaaka budget e ne e ntshitswe. Ke dumela gore a thubega. Dikgang tse di supa seemo sa botshelo jwa bomaitseanape ba ba neng ba sekasekile budget eo ba metsi ka kwa kgaolong eo. Rraetsho, go a tlhokafala ne ba lemogile gore motho o ka phemolwa dikeledi ka gore Puso e eme ka dinao mo dikgannyeng tse, e isetse bokae. A mme fa letsatsi leno ba lela mme madi one batho ba metsi le bone ba kgone go nna batho, ba tshele a supafala a le teng, a mme re a bo re tlhoafetse mo jaaka re tshela. Ke seemo sengwe se se re tshwentseng go sireletseng Batswana? Ga se gone fela sentle mo go thata e le the state of Boteti East. re siametseng. Ke dumela jalo batsadi gore fa re lebile Dikgang tse dingwe ke tse dintsi tota tse di amanang dikgang tsa lefatshe fela mo kgaolong ya Boteti, di le Ministry wa Local Government. Tota maloba ke ne ngomola pele. Tota jaaka ke buile gore jaanong batho ke tsentse potso gape fa Mr Speaker, ke botsa Ministry ka bontsi ba fudugela koo; kwa motseng wa Letlhakane, of Education ka primary schools. Tota I was very ba re ba ya go batla ditiro, ba ya go dira eng jaanong. Ba disappointed by the answer, very disappointed. Ke felela ba ipaya fela mo go bo maipaafeleng. bo ke bona gore some Ministers le bone do not apply Seemo se se sengwe se se tshwenyang ke sone sa motse themselves. Ke gore fa karabo e tla fela e tswa kwa go o mogolwane wa Letlhakane. Re lebeletse tsa metsi Permanent Secretary (PS) kana whoever, ene o tla a kana tsa kgopo ya metsi a a leswe, ka gore rona ga re e bala fela ka fa e ntseng ka teng. Ke ne ke seyo mo tseye metsi kwa matamong mo motseng wa Letlhakane, Palamenteng, but I was very, very disappointed. Ke gore re tsaya metsi mo didibeng, mme kgwedi le kgwedi, o botsa motho ka population ya metse; ke ne ke tsentse dibeke tse pedi di fela go sena metsi. Fa o re o botsa kwa Tonota, Ramotswa le Letlhakane, ba ke itseng gore Water Utilities, dikgang tsa teng ga di welelane, o ipotsa population tsa teng di ntse jang. Ke bo ke botsa gore gore planning e tsamaya jang, tota o fitlhela e le gore dikole di kae mo metseng eo, o bo o bona kwa Tonota go na le a critical shortage of water mo motseng wa primary schools di le 10, kwa Ramotswa di le 12, kwa Letlhakane, o ke dumelang gore tota ga o a tshwanela go Letlhakane di le five, mme population ya Letlhakane tlhaela metsi. Ke one o e reng fa go buiwa ka revenues e feta ya Tonota, e bile e lekana le ya Ramotswa, o tsa lefatshe le, madi a mantsi a tswa gone kwa kgaolong bo o ipotsa gore ditlhabololo di tsamaisiwa jang mo eo. A re ka itumela batho ba tshela ka seemo se se ntseng lefatsheng.

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Jaanong tsone dilo tse di ntseng jaana, di supa gore MR LELATISITSWE: Thank you so much, ke ne ke distribution of development ga e equal. Ga ke itse gore tsaya gore re bua ka … a re paledisiwa ke yone Central District. Tota golo moo go ne ga ntlhabisa ditlhong fa Tona a araba. Ke ne ke MR MMOLOTSI: Procedure Mr Speaker. Thank you bua ka population e e leng gore census have passed it very much Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, fa Mopalamente dingwaga tse di fetileng. Ene a bua fela ka gore jaanong a re Minister has failed to apply himself, a mme ke batho ba hudugela koo gompieno, mme censuses di ne thulaganyo e e siameng kana ka Setswana o raya gore di sa bolo go dirwa eight years ago, mme kana batho ba o palelwa ke tiro? Jaanong fa motho a palelwa ke tiro, a buang ka bone ke ba e leng gore ga ba ise ba tsene mo Mopalamente a ga o recommend gore gongwe a rolwe dipalopalong tse a neng a di bala a di lebile, ke dumela maemo? gore if he had applied himself well, o ka bo a sa bua ka tseo fela a supa gore nnyaa, mme fa re paletswe. MR SPEAKER: Ga ke itse gore a o ne o batla Gongwe re tlaa leka go baakanya mo dingwageng tse clarification kwa go Honourable Lelatisitswe kana di tlang. kwa go mang? Kana ke tlhalositse gore Standing Seemo se se a tshwenya rraetsho ka gore primary Order, unless a dirisa mafoko a a sa amogelesegeng schools tsa Letlhakane di tletse, gompieno jaana … mo Palamenteng… felafela fa a dirisa mafoko a a amogelesegang, o ka supa jang kana jang, ga gona MR KESUPILE: Potso motlotlegi. Ke a leboga gore ke ka mo kganela go bua. Tswelela Honourable Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke a leboga Member. motlotlegi. Ke ne ke re e re o santse o tshwere kgang ya gago ka botswerere, ke ko ke botse gore a mme kwa MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a leboga Mr Speaker. go wena ga gona lenaneo kana thulaganyo ya go dira Ke bua ka the State of the Nation Address. Gakere go bangwe millionaires kwa kgaolong? arabiwa dipotso tsa kgaolo ya Boteti. Gongwe e tlaare MR LELATISITSWE: MoDomkrag wa maloba, go arabiwa tsa Francistown, o supe le wena ka fa o Mokwaledimogolo wa Phathi ya ga Domkrag wa bonang ka teng. Fa o araba tsa me, ke bo ke bona go maloba, Mokwaledimogolo wa Umbrella for Democratic pala to apply yourself foo, ke tlaa go e bolelela fela e Change (UDC) wa gompieno, Rre Kesupile, lenaneo le ntse jalo. Gompieno ba a ipotsa ka gore dilo tse di tsena gongwe le tlaa goroga rraetsho, ga ke ise ke utlwe ope a mo Government Facebook Account. Ba lebile gore fa go bua ka lone ka koo, gongwe nako ya lone e tlaa goroga. arabiwa potso, ene o lebile go sele. A mme ke gone ka fa Ministry wa Local Government, go na le dikgang tse … re tshwanetseng go gata ka teng?

MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MS MAKGATO): Procedure. Thank you very much Mr Speaker. Mr MR LELATISITSWE: Ee mmaetsho. O ntshireletse Speaker, I do realise that my colleague is a little bit upset Mr Speaker, kana tse dingwe re ka di bua re le kgakala. maybe by the quality of the answer that you got from the HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Minister, mme ke ne ke ipotsa gore a mo tsamaisong fa a ngongorega jaaka a ngongorega jaana, to an extent MR LELATISITSWE: Ke supe jalo gore mo Local that he is calling for the capability of the Minister, a re Government and Rural Development, re na le dikgang ntse re mo tsamaisong, because re na le tsamaiso fa re tse dintsi. Ke buile ka primary schools tsa rona mo Boteti batla go ngongorega ka karabo, especially ka gore fa re segolo jang tsa motse wa Letlhakane. Go a tlhokafala bua re kgona go itse gore o bua ka Minister mang, e re gore Goromente a tsholetse dinao segolo jang the e dirisang fa gongwe re buela kwa bothokong. Ke ne ke Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development. botsa fela gore a mme gone re ntse re mo tsamaisong? Ke ipotsa gore ke eng a tlodisa motse o wa Letlhakane matho mo dikgannyeng tse tsa go aga dikole. MR SPEAKER: Ee mma. Tota go ya ka Standing Order sa rona, ga gona gope fa ke ka mo tshwarang teng, HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… kwa ntle fela a dirisa mafoko a a sa siamang a bua ka Tona yoo, mme fa a bua jaaka a ne a bua jaana, ke go mo MR LELATISITSWE: Ee matho rraetsho. Wena o lebelela fela a wetse kgang ya gagwe, ba tlaa kopana ba tlaare matlho, nna ka re matho. Ke dumela gore o tlodisa le babedi koo. Tswelela Honourable Lelatisitswe. motse o matlho thata rraetsho mo dikgannyeng tse.

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Ke supe gore motse wa Letlhakane o godile. Gompieno itumelela gore drains from Letlhakane di isiwe Serowe? dilo tse tshwanang le land fill, tota seemo sa matlakala… Imagine the costs tse di teng foo. Mo tumelong ya rona Mongwe o letse a bua maabane ka matlakala gore ya Setswana, go tsaya dilo tseo o di isa kgakala, go lefatshe le, le leswe. Ke tlaa boela kwa motseng wa ka nna ga phaphalatsa lefatshe. Fa o bona pula e sa ne Letlhakane gore ke mongwe wa metse e e mo Central jaana, ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse di ka phaphalatsang District, o gotweng o leswe go feta. Maabane mongwe lefatshe. Mma Venson o ne a di itumelela thata. o ne a re, lefatshe le, le leswe. Ke a mo tlatsa ka re, Ke supe jalo gore, go na le dilo tse dintsi tse di ka dirwang motse wa Letlhakane, ke mongwe wa metse e e leswe. go tlhama ditiro mo motseng wa Letlhakane. Maloba Go supagetse in the competitions tse di dirwang mo go ne go buiwa ka Special Economic Zones (SEZs). Central District. O ne wa nna motse wa bofelo fa go Ke dumela gore Letlhakane was ready to be considered dirwa competitions tsa cleanliness. Go dirwa ke seemo pele especially on the industrial site. Letlhakane could sa gore motse ole, o motona thata, mme ga o na kwa have been considered pele ga dikgaolo tsotlhe ka gore go latlhelwang matlakala teng. Golo moo re bona e le o ready. Go na le moepo fa gare ga motse le market o seemo se se tshwenyang. teng. Ke tsaya gore fa go ne go lebeletswe these Special Nako e gorogile ya gore, the Ministry of Local Economic Zones, ga nna le industrial sites, re ka bo Government and Rural Development in this re ne re lebile sentle. Maloba fa go buiwa ka Special transformation agenda e our President a buang ka Economic Zones, o ne o seyo. Ke ne ke ipotsa gore a go yone, a leke go oketsa administration districts. Jaaka re sekasekilwe sentle kana re palelwa ke industrialization bona Central a le motona, a aname go le kana, e nne ka kwano. Ke dumela jalo gore Letlhakane can create nngwe ya dintlha tse di lebelelwang go oketsa districts. ditiro fela thata. Fa o dira industries that will supply the Boteti, Tutume, Tswapong, Shoshong and Mahalapye di mine, o ne o ka di tshwaraganya le conference facilities. ikemele. Batswana ba tle ba thusiwe sentle ka gore go Ke kile ka utlwa Tautona Dr Mokgweetsi Masisi a bua a sokodisa. gore o eletsa go nne le conference centres… Mma Venson fa a ne a le teng fa, o ne a ka dumalana le ASSISTANT MINISTER OF YOUTH nna gore ditswamaleng tse di tswang kwa Letlhakane, EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE di isiwa kwa Serowe. Ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse a di DEVELOPMENT (MR MAKGALEMELE): itseng thata. Ga ke itse gore a ba ne ba di itumelela di Clarification. Thank you Mr Speaker, thank you ntse di ya kwa Serowe gotwe di ya headquarters. A Honourable Lelatisitswe. Mokaulengwe, kgang e ya mme o ka tsamaya o raletse lefatshe ka ditswamaleng Special Economic Zones, a ga o akanye gore nako e tse di tswang kwa kgaolong e nngwe, o di isa kwa go e setse e tlile ya gore re atolose mogopolo wa teng, re o nngwe? Kana fa re bua fela mo malatsing a gompieno… bope sesha? Fa o lebelela dikgaolo ka go farologana, nngwe le nngwe e na le tse di faphegileng, tse di ka e MR SPEAKER: Naare ditswamaleng o raya eng? dirang gore e kgone go tlotlomadiwa go nna boremelelo MR LELATISITSWE: Gongwe ke mo go ka jwa kgwebo nngwe. kwakwalatsang lefatshe. MR LELATISITSWE: Mafila, kana o mo motlhaleng MR SPEAKER: Honourable Lelatisitswe, wa me. Ke one a ke a buang. ditswamaleng o raya eng? A ko o tlhalose. HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… MR LELATISITSWE: Raetsho, ke raya seemo se e MR LELATISITSWE: Ke raya Honourable leng gore … Makgalemele. O motlhaleng wa me. Ke yone kgang e ke HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… e buang gore, I once met officers kwa Letlhakane. Tota le bone ba ne ba supa gore fa ba lebelela Letlhakane, MR LELATISITSWE: Drains. Drains di rwalwa… le fa ba sa dira research e e tseneletseng, ba bona go Go bidiwa gotweng gone moo? ka nna le an industrial centre. Jaanong ka go setse go HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… tlhophilwe tse eight, legale review e ka nna ya dirwa. Ke dumela gore Master Goya a lebelele dikgang tse. MR LELATISITSWE: Contents tse di tswang from the Gongwe ba di tshwaraganye le conferences because drains di rwalwa di isiwa Serowe. A batho ba Serowe ba batho ba ba tlang kwa, go dirwa workshops tse di seng

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kana ka sepe. Go rutwa batho ka dilo tsa safety, tsa eng, MR SPEAKER: Are you ordering me? o fitlhela ba sokola ka conference facilities. Ke dingwe tsa dikgang tse di tshwanetseng di lebelelwe. MR LELATISITSWE: Rraetsho, ke ne ke re… Re itse gore kgaolo ele is the gate way to Makgadikgadi. MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION Fa re ka dira dilo tsa tourism, re ka felela re hirile batho AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MS MAKGATO): On a ba le bantsi. Rraetsho, go na le letshwenyego le le tona point of order. Mr Speaker, ma-new one yo o simolotse gape kwa kgaolong le re tlhasetsweng ke ditlou. Dilo go itse procedure leng? Go supa gore ga a itse procedure, tse, re ne re sa di tlwaela. Rona fa re gola, le fa ke tla ke ke sone se e reng a thanya fela a bo a re Dorcus o robetse tsena mo Palamenteng e, ke ne ke itse gore fa ke batla ka gore ga a itse gore procedure e dirisetswa eng. Ke go bona ditlou, ke ya Kasane. Jaanong mo malatsing a kopa gore o mo kgalemele, a bo a boele morago mafoko gompieno, ditlou have displaced batho kwa masimong ao. mo kgaolong ya Boteti. Fa o tsaya Mosu le Mokubilo, MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, tshere, tota o ne o sa nna batho ba fudugile ka ditlou di tletse koo. A ditlou tse di sentle, o ka bo a ne a rile o kopa gore o nne sentle. busediwe kwa di tshwanetseng go ya teng kwa Kasane le Chobe. Re ne re sa itse fa go na le batho koo, re lemogile HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!) … fa re goroga mo Palamenteng re fitlhela Shamukuni. Ke MR SPEAKER: A e nne modiga. Tswelela Honourable tsaya gore … Lelatisitswe. MR SPEAKER: No! No! Jaanong o dule mo tseleng. MR LELATISITSWE: Ke a leboga rraetsho. Ke Ga o ka ke wa bua jalo ka kgaolo e nngwe, withdraw leboge Tautona fa a supile fa ba na le maikaelelo a go mafoko ao. lebelela mananeo a a amang banana. Ke supe jalo gore, MR LELATISITSWE: I withdraw rraetsho. Ke tsaya tota le nna ke tshwenyegile ka mananeo a a amang gore dikgang tse re di buile. banana. Gongwe nako e gorogile ya gore madi a bone a okediwe le bone ba agelwe incubators ke Goromente. Under the Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry, Gongwe ba nne ba tsene foo ba tsosolose businesses tsa ke bua ka dikgang tsa Citizen Entrepreneurial bone go fitlhelela di tsena mo seemong se se rileng, e bo Development Agency (CEDA). Ke lebogele jalo gore e le gone ba tswang mo seemong seo ba ya go ikemela office ya CEDA e butswe kwa motseng wa Letlhakane. ba le nosi. E tlaa thusa boradikgwebo mo kgaolong eo. Re lebogele seemo se se ntseng jalo. Go ne go utlwisa botlhoko Le yone kgang ya land allocation, fa monana a na le motho a tswa Makalamabedi kana Tsienyane, a fetela kgwebo kana a eletsa go tsena mo kgwebong, land kwa Serowe, fa a tsena kwa a sena boroko, office ya board can fast track go mo neela lefatshe. Ke kgang e CEDA e tswetswe. Fa a tla mo Letlhakane ka re masika, e tshwanetseng go tsibogelwa ka gore o fitlhela go le re ka mo neela boroko gore kamoso phakela a tsene mo thatanyana gore ba land board ba e tlhaloganye fa go ofising ya CEDA. Ke re eo re e lebogele. tla mo dikgwebong tsa banana. A policy e e leke go atolosiwa gore banana ba tle ba tsene mo go yone sentle. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. Mo go tsa ditsela, re lebogele tsela ya Mosu-Thalamabele, MR SPEAKER: Mma re utlwe procedure ka e go supagetseng fa e tloga e dirwa. Ke supe jalo gore Honourable Molebatsi. Mmatshumo-Mosu le gone go na le tsela foo rraetsho, MR MOLEBATSI: Procedure. Ke kopa gore e e tlhokang tlhokomelo e e rileng. Mokubilo-Mmea; re Motlotlegi Dorcas a se ka a robala mo Palamenteng. tsaya motse wa Khwee le Letlhakane, ke metse e e leng Nna e bile kana ka re o tswa Sunday school. gore fa Special Economic Zones (SEZ)s di ne di lebile dikgang tse, ba ka bo ba kgona go lemoga gore e ya kwa MR SPEAKER: Dorcus ke ofe? production zones. Fa o tsaya motse wa Khwee, it is a production zone for farmers, jaanong those farmers o HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. fitlhela ba sa kgone go fitlhelela ka gore seemo sa ditsela MR SPEAKER: Honourable Makgato, nna sentle. tseo di maswe.

HONOURABLE MEMBER: Nnyaa, point of order Mo dikgannyeng tsa Bogosi, ke tsaya gore Tona o ntse Mr Speaker. a araba dipotso tsa Bogosi fa. Ke supe jalo gore le one

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Ministry of Local Government and Rural Development which will churn a nation of hard workers, peace loving fa o tsena mo go tsa Bogosi, o kare ba a ba latlhelela. people, honest, a nation replete with compassion, a Fa Kgosi a sena go wetsa five years’ term, a tshwanetse system that delivers justice for all, a free, fair and go bona tse di mo lebaneng, nnyaa Kgosi wa Modimo o transparent democratic system envied by many across a sokola. Go tsaya lebaka le le leele a sa fiwe tse di mo the globe. I value and cherish the opportunity afforded tshwanetseng. Gongwe ke gone jaaka re bona bangwe me by the Almighty through the vote of the people of ba etla ba siela mo Palamenteng, ba a bo ba tshaba yone Mogoditshane, that my single voice represents those of tshokolo e e kana e. Ke bona gore gongwe go tlhokafala a little over 60 000. It is an honour and privilege no thata gore re ba tlhokomele, re ba neele ditlamelo tsotlhe amount of gratitude can suit, but myself, my family and tse di ka dirang gore re neele Kgosi seriti sa gagwe, re my friends will forever be grateful for this opportunity. itse gore Magosi ba a tlotliwa. A re neeleng bo Kgosi We at the Alliance for Progressives (AP) believe in the tse di ba lebanyeng gore e se ka ya re kamoso Kgosi a doctrines of justice, fairness, transparency and honesty; tshabela ka kwano, a tla go nna fa gare ga malata. Ke nothing more and nothing less, thus, what I am about dumela jalo gore Kgosi o tshwanetse go tlhokomelwa. to deliver will be basically premised on the above mentioned doctrines. Tsa dikole; barutabana le babereki botlhe re tshwanetse go ba lebelela, gongwe re leke go bolaya scale se se Utterances made by Honourable Dithapelo Keorapetse kwa tlase sa badirelapuso, se tshwenya thata. Ke dumela in his response, might be good music to the ears of gore nako e tlile ya gore re fetse ka sone. many, but I view them as dishonesty and masquerading as genuine intentions. Let me remind Honourable MR SPEAKER: Nako ya gago e fedile Honourable Keorapetse because he was not there when the Umbrella Lelatisitswe. for Democratic Change (UDC) formation was started. The UDC formation was never discussed, initiated, MR KGOROBA (MOGODITSHANE): Ke a leboga concluded nor operated through this House. Comrade Mr Speaker. Gongwe fa ke simolola go bua, ke tlhalose Keorapetse, the UDC that I know never intended to play gore maabane fa re tsoga phakela kwa Kgaolong dice with the hopes of multitudes like it is the case since ya Mogoditshane, re tsogetse mo dikgannyeng tse you and some others came into the picture. Many of us di botlhoko tsa lekolwane le le bolailweng ka tsela e from different walks of life built the UDC. From the very e botlhoko. Le fudilwe ka tlhobolo ga mmalwa, a ne poor, the rich, the educated, the less educated, the young a lekile go sia, a latelwa kwa a neng a sietse teng, a and old, you were not there Honourable Keorapetse, but feta a fulelwa teng. Fa ditsamaiso tsa Ntlo e di letla rather you were distant, bashing and discrediting the Mr Speaker, ke kope Ntlo e gore re lebelele moment of project as a fallacy. silence for all victims lefatshe ka bophara tsa dintsho tse. HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification.

MR SPEAKER: Re dirile jalo fa re simolola phuthego MR KGOROBA: Some brought a brick or two, e Motlotlegi. window frames, wheelbarrows full of river sand, pit sand and gravel, water, roofing materials, the paint MR KGOROBA: Ehe! Nnyaa, mme ke a leboga Mr while some brought their labour of love. You were not Speaker. there Honourable Keorapetse, instead you prayed day and night for the disintegration of the UDC more than Let me begin by relaying my heartfelt sympathy to our even the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP). So you colleagues who have lost the Bulela Ditswe contest. Ke are the last person to spearhead opposition coalition. re bagaetsho, such is life, sometime you win, sometime Rather humble yourself and allow those builders I have you lose, but at the end of it all, let us all strive to mentioned above, to build that which they know best. improve our democracy and good governance of our country for our people and generations to come. This No clarification allowed. When a decision was taken will be a legacy whose thunder will be eternal, and I will to construct a project called UDC, you walked away be proud to belong to such a generation. simply because you felt you deserve the presidency.

I stand here on behalf of the plus 60 000 people of It is always about you first, and the people last. You Mogoditshane, and the multitudes who share the dream called the UDC project “a pipe dream”. What you have of a new Botswana. A progressive Botswana; a Botswana done is theft. You stole a project that we built and your

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noise about the credibility of this project can easily We have not forgotten how you in particular disparaged be mistaken for an architect, contractor and project Honourable Gaolathe and called him funny names manager whereas you stole it from those who built it like “setete” and “daddy’s boy.” Give me one instance because you are selfish and greedy.Ke raya Keorapetse. Honourable Keorapetse, where Honourable Gaolathe offended anyone within the UDC or the Botswana MR NTLHAILE: On a point of order Mr Speaker. Re Democratic Party (BDP), just one instance comrade and utlwa mokaulengwe ka fa a itelang ka teng. A mme go I will resign as a Member of Parliament (MP) right now, tlhamaletse gore mokaulengwe a supe gore Honourable right here. I am yet to know what is it that Honourable Member o utswile project, o e utswetse fa kae? Gaolathe has done to you people, to deserve such vitriol?

HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… Play to the gallery for all you want comrade, but MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Nnyaa batlotlegi, kana never use the Alliance for Progressives (AP) for ke laolwa ke tsamaiso ya Ntlo e. Motlotlegi Kgoroba grandstanding. Never! We do not only deserve respect o bua ka Motlotlegi Mopalamente Keorapetse, o teng, comrade; we have earned that respect. That is why today o ntse a le fa. Jaanong o tlaa tla a ikarabela fa a bona you can bask on the glory of a UDC you chastised and sebaka sa go araba. Gompieno ke emetse fela gore ke abhorred, at least respect us for building that UDC that utlwe gore a o ka dirisa ape mafoko a re sa a amogeleng. you are shining in now. You behave as if you are the Fa a santse a sa a dirise, ga ke mo kgalemele, ke mo founding father of the UDC, yet o mafikizolo. Ke eng o reetsa ka tlhoafalo jaaka ke mo reeditse jaana. Tswelela le magalamasuke jaana? You think you are the smartest motlotlegi. thing ever to come out of opposition.

MR KGOROBA: Thank you Mr Speaker. We love the LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): UDC far more than the word “love.” We respected the On a point of procedure Mr Speaker. Sorry to disturb UDC because it was our child … your flow of thought, but I think you have it in front of you, you will never lose it. My point of procedure MS MAKGATO: Point of order Mr Speaker. I think Honourable Member, e ne e le gore kana rre o rola Honourable Ntlhaile is out of order. Ke ene yo e reng kgang ya botlhokwa. A o ne a ka re thusa ka mekwalo a ntse kwa, a bo a bua dipuo ka Phathi ya ga Domkrag, eo ka gore I am going to respond? Jaanong bo Rre a bona go le normal, go siame, a bua tsotlhe tse a ka di Gaolathe le Boko ba nneetse mekwalo, a o ne a ka re buang, a di kgona. Ke eng a tlaa tlhabega fa e le gore the thusa ka mokwalo for greater clarity? Thank you. other Honourable Member is saying his observations ka an Honourable Member on the other side, o tshwenngwa HONOURABLE MEMBER: Procedure. ke eng mo kgannyeng ya teng? He is out of order even MR SPEAKER: Ke mokwalo wa gagwe, ke dumela though he is not holding the floor. gore fa a na le keletso eo o tlaa le thusa. Fa le o kopa, o HONOURABLE MEMBER: Point of order. tlaa le thusa ka one. Le wena Honourable Kgoroba, ke go reeditse fela, ke raya gore ka o a ala, mme o tloge o MR SPEAKER: Tota jaanong wena Honourable boele mo kgannyeng e re e tshwereng. Ala o tloge o boe Makgato, o mo go efe ka gore motho yo o mo floor Honourable Member. Tswelela. ke Honourable Kgoroba? Nna ka re gongwe you are ordering ene. Ga o ka ke wa ba wa dira jalo, ke wena o MR KGOROBA: Honourable Vice President, ga ke duleng mo tseleng. Tswelela Honourable Kgoroba. sebe, I am not a coward. I am going to share this with anybody who wants me to share it with. Honourable MR KGOROBA: We love the UDC more than the Keorapetse; you purged us from the UDC in favour word love. We respected the UDC because it was our of the Pilane led Botswana Movement for Democracy child whom some of our beloved colleagues, lost their (BMD). Now you are purging the Pilane BMD from the lives working day and night for this project to come to UDC, and you come running to Parliament pretending fruition. When building this project comrade, we did not to be an advocate of opposition unity. Who do you think only lose money and the resources, we lost comrades you are fooling comrade? Not so long ago, re ne re le whom we so dearly loved. I request that you give the ditete and Pilane e ne e le ngwana wa Modimo, now UDC the respect that it deserves, even though you from nowhere you want ditete back and you choose to hijacked it. use the most disrespectful approach courting us through

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Palamente. O a bo rata bo starring. You chose this imperative that a special budget be allocated as soon as approach because deep down in your conscience, you possible to finance and combat crime. know your guilt. You are even so coward, you cannot even face us through a proper channel and forum. Darkness is one evil protagonist to the crime rate. Mogoditshane has experienced a number of gruesome That being said, we remain amenable to any arrangement killings, which evidently were aided by the absence the UDC may wish to have with the Alliance for of lighting or visibility. I hasten to ascribe the current Progressives. If you are genuine about it comrade, high crime rate to the high unemployment rate. If the ask those who know better; the proper procedures and unemployment statistics are posted by the relevant channels, but not your cheap grandstanding. We have authorities, then the dimensions in Mogoditshane are in taken enough of your insults and disparaging remarks. serious juxtaposition to those that are public. Nine out of Be rest assured, we will return fire with fire should you ten youths in Mogoditshane are unemployed. If I were continue to take us for granted, as has been the case. We the President of this Republic, I would find it difficult are human too. if not impossible to sleep at night knowing that there are thousands unemployed under my custodianship. If the UDC wishes to talk to the Alliance for Progressives, Rhetoric and no visible convincing roadmap to there are people within the UDC we can talk to, not resolving the conundrum that is unemployment, shenanigans like Honourable Keorapetse. Tell him that denies me peaceful sleep. Mr President, do you in all we should never hear him mentioning the name Alliance honesty realise this do or die situation? The for Alliance for Progressives again. It is no secret that we have no Progressives offers not only a plethora of jobs, but respect for him and he has no respect for us. We will jobs that will offer our people a decent quality life and stay out of his way and he must stay out of our way. It is reasonable standards of living. very simple and straightforward. Still on unemployment; is it not time Mr Speaker, that The crime rate in this country is very scary, especially we now balance the incentives between the young in my constituency Mogoditshane. It is a pity that the and the near retirement employees by offering those alleys that I used to traverse even during the darkest of in public service financial grants in certain specific nights as I was growing up in Mogoditshane, I today can sectors like farming, on condition that they take early no longer traverse, even during broad daylight lately. retirement, so that they pave way for job opportunities We cannot continue to live under such an environment for our young citizens. The quality of education in this nor be proud of such a notorious reputation as a country. country is nauseating to say the least. Never have I seen Government should declare some urban and peri-urban a Government so content with feeding its people the areas as special crime zones and come up with a special worst quality of education such as that of Botswana. dispensation to swat crime. We cannot develop, compete in the global space, have a sustainable economy, be innovative and self- One of the reasons our country is found far below certain sustainable with this kind of quality education. I have global indexes is the fear our people live under, because heard of gruesome genocide in my lifetime, one being of crime. We cannot as a Government, allow people that of Rwanda, but never before have I come across a to be denied a fundamental constitutional right such more gruesome, ruthless genocide like the one we have as freedom. Basking on freedom of speech alone falls resigned our future generations to, like it is the case with far below the description of the word “freedom.” The our education system. There is a saying in Setswana that value of one’s freedom supersedes that of abundance goes like, “o sule a ntse a tsamaya” most of the kids of anything material. Given a choice between being churned by our system ba sule ba ntse ba tsamaya and it wealthy without freedom and absolute freedom, I will is this Government that is responsible for that genocide. choose the latter. The quality of our students at junior and senior It is not enough to boast of doctrines enshrined in our secondary and most that we churned out of our tertiary Constitution, but not lived nor experienced by our schools are of a very poor quality. Not out of their own people. The time is now for us to stop preaching the deed or will, because of the lie called education that things that we do not practice. Urban and peri-urban they are fed by this regime. The quality of education areas like Mogoditshane need a serious beefing up we feed them cannot compete in the Southern African with regards to policing and law enforcement. It is also Development Community (SADC) region, let alone

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Africa as a whole and the rest of the world. How then quality of our education for its selfish interests, political do we expect to survive this global competition? It is a survival. Allow me to call it white collar genocide Mr deliberate ploy to render our people not competitive to Speaker; great leaders take unpopular decisions. Now the rest of the world. So we continue to import expertise is the time for our leadership to take the bull by the and keep our people poor, so they remain dependent and horns and take a bold decision of setting the standard vote the ruling party, in believing that they are done a higher. Unpopular as it may be for now, but it will begin favour when fed soups and fat cakes whilst the ruling to set the tone for the future, that our people should elites fill up their pockets. The reason I am saying they know that only hard work and merit gets rewarded. We are dead alive is this, in Botswana one gets only one have for too long compromised on standards, when the lifetime opportunity to tertiary education, because more whole world has been moving in the opposite direction. than 80 per cent of our people cannot afford to take their Multiple problems like complacency, poor delivery and children through tertiary education, thus blowing away sense of entitlement are all products of this culture that that single lifetime opportunity which will never be has been compromised by reward without merit. available again. This is what I call invincible genocide. When I was growing up in this country, meritocracy was I am very worried and concerned about the welfare the order of the day. In November 2014, a Motion tabled of soldiers, more especially because the headquarters by myself to end automatic progression was passed by of our armed forces fall within the jurisdiction of my this very Parliament, but like several other Motions that constituency. For four years now, I have been requesting have been passed in this Parliament, theirs is to gather for meetings with the leadership of our men in uniform, dust at the office of the President like many United but sadly I have been shunned by those in command, Nations, SADC and African Union Conventions. Tell from the previous General to the current General. It me Mr Speaker, what is the point of debating and passing is highly important that the thousands of our men in Motions in this Parliament, if their implementation is uniform be informed of my efforts to represent them but a pipe dream? Are we really a democracy or just diligently and the rejection I have received from the a bogus democracy Mr Vice President? When I was powers that be or disregard of their vote, but God being growing up as a young school boy in this country, a great. some valuable information has at last found its C plus could not progress to senior secondary school. way to my office. I therefore take this opportunity to Any B other than a B plus and above, did not proceed thank the few brave men who risked their careers to to tertiary except for brigades, teacher training colleges feed me this information. Like it is the case with our and technical colleges. Even the C minuses were not entire civil service, wages for our men in uniform, fall accepted. Then this country produced quality that could far below what they deserve. Government has to act like stand its own against the rest of the world. That is why yesterday to address salaries of soldiers and the public we have quality ya bo Rre Matambo and many others. service in its entirety. Accommodation for our soldiers Bo Rre Molale passed through that system, where leaves a lot to be desired, every year we allocate billions you had to do impressively well for you to proceed to of Pula to the Botswana Defence Force (BDF), but very tertiary, he knows that. little of that goes to the welfare of soldiers. There is a very high imbalance with how the distribution of budget HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… is done. We cannot be spending a high percentage of the budget on equipment and infrastructure to be utilised MR KGOROBA: Well, at least he had the academic by hungry broke soldiers. This totally defeats common intelligence. You know, there is a difference between logic. academic intelligence and socio-economic intelligence, which he does not have. He only had the academic Again I wonder if it is corruption or stupidity, at intelligence. Other than that, the other intelligence he Thebephatshwa, flight simulators have been purchased is devoid of. at a very high cost, but the BDF has failed to undertake HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… a very simple exercise of training our BDF personnel on how to operate these flight simulators, instead, opted MR KGOROBA: Then came the notion of vote to outsource their operation at a cost of P5 million a purchasing, the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) year. I will not believe that the training of our personnel Government lowered the standards deliberately for its at Thebephatshwa would even exceed this annual P5 political expediency. The BDP Government sacrificed the million. Are we really under the protection of such stupid

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or greedy leadership, if that be the case, then they might MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kgoroba, wena kana o even sell the war for personal gain, to the detriment of itse Sekgoa. Ke solofela gore fa o se dirisa, o se dirise our safety, if they can be so greedy as to compromise the mo go ka se keng go go tsenye mo mathateng. Tswelela. efficiency of the operations of an airbase to their own personal gain. MR KGOROBA: Thank you Mr Speaker. I was saying that because this Government has neglected the men MR SPEAKER: Order! Honourable Kgoroba, jaanong under whose protection we assume we are safe and go fa ke go utlwang teng foo, o kare o dule mo tseleng, to bed fearing only for our own in the form of criminals ga o buise ba bangwe sentle. Ga ke dumele gore o nale and not civil war or some invasion by another country. bosupi jwa gore ba greedy jaaka o bua jalo. The billions that this House allocates to the Botswana Defence Force (BDF) are not spent appropriately by the MR KGOROBA: Bosupi jwa go reng? BDF officials when they could be applying their minds to prudent spending that caters for the welfare of our MR SPEAKER: Gore ba dira jaaka o bua jaana. Ke soldiers and the adequate equipping for the execution gone fa ke ka se keng ke dumalane le wena teng. Ke of their duties. There is a system operating at the BDF. kopa gore o boele morago (withdraw) mafoko ao a o The poor soldiers go on trips and spend months in the neng o sa tswa go a bua ka ba kampa ya Thebephatshwa, bush exposed to all sorts of dangers and there is no trip o bo o tswelela ka kgang ya gago. allowance for them. It is claimed that they receive a HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… monthly allowance which covers for that yet there are those whose responsibilities never take them on trips yet MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, o bua ka greedy le tse dingwe, they benefit from the same… ke go raya ke re jaanong foo nnyaa. MR SPEAKER: Le ele tlhoko quorum batlotlegi. MR KGOROBA: Okay. I withdraw the two words Mr Speaker. The safety of our soldiers who patrol out there MR KGOROBA: …trip allowance. It is far from being against the poachers is highly compromised. I cannot commensurate with the exercise. Where on earth is believe that in this day and age, our soldiers are expected common sense here? What kind of arrangement is this to do night patrols without equipment that enables them where we have an arrangement as wasteful as this one whereby we are going to be giving people who never go to see at night. The satellite equipment that is supposed on trips a trip allowance and give those who go on trips to assist them to survey the area they are patrolling smaller than what they could have deserved? covers only a mere 20 kilometres when they in actual fact, guard a base of over 100 kilometres. What exactly As if that was not enough, the situations under which is wrong with our Government? Are these the reasons some of our soldiers go through, require that we offer why, as an elected representative, I am denied access to adequate counselling time and again but there is nothing such information because this Government has partially to that effect. We are experiencing a spate of suicides by sentenced our soldiers to death? This Government has our men in uniform and nothing is done to address these situations satisfactorily. neglected the men under whose protection we assume we are safe and go to bed fearing only for our own in the I want to buttress the school of thought brought to form of criminals and not… this House by Honourable Gaolathe regarding the financial management being introduced at the primary MINISTER OF MINERAL RESOURCES, GREEN schools. I want to buttress further this school of thought TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY SECURITY despite the fact that for a good number of years, our (MR MOLALE): On a point of order. Motsamaisa Government has failed our people in as far as salary Dipuisanyo, ke kopa gore Motlotlegi Kgoroba a increase is concerned. It is also imperative that financial boele mo tsamaisong ya Ntlo e. A se ka a bua ka gore management be introduced at all levels; even for the Goromente has sentenced people to death. Even if he is elderly, middle aged and the working class because its speaking figuratively, o e dirisa in such a manner that it deficiency runs across all classes and levels. Our people actually means what he wants to portray. Jaanong ke ne are poor and highly indebted. We live from hand to ke kopa gore mafoko ao a a boele kwa morago ka gore mouth and our indebtedness rather than improve for the ga a siama. Ke a leboga. better is becoming worse every day. All of us; even most

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of us in this August House. The situation is now of high mo emisang. Ke dumela gore o etse tlhoko Standing volatility so much that it is now a security risk to the Order 23.2 gore ga a tshwanela go dirisa ape mafoko stability of the country. A hungry man is a dangerous a a supang lenyatso mo go Tautona. Tswelela rraetsho. man. We have bred a poor-hungry nation by neglecting our responsibility as a Government of inculcating a MR KGOROBA: This is the problem that fa o culture of prudent financial management. How could tshwanetse go mo tlhalosetsa, he walks out. He is we anyway, when we have also failed to steer the ship never in Parliament. He did not even listen to what I of Government national resources in the right direction? was saying. I was talking about governance structures and not inviting investors or whatever. Honourable Democracy; the meaning of this word is well understood Makgalemele did not listen to me attentively. If you by Mr President, thus, I will not delve much into it. look at our governance system and compare it even As a country, Botswana has a huge problem yet at the with South Africa, they have so many independent same time Botswana does not have a problem because institutions that do not fall under the Executive. the problem is the Botswana Democratic Party (BDP) Government’s system of governance. With regards to That is the kind of governance that we want which will our governance system and how our Government is provide adequate checks and balances. I am talking structured, I am very interested in knowing as to where about governance, not going out to seek investors to we do our benchmarking as a country. Week in, week come to Botswana. out, the President and his Ministers fly to the different I have heard some BDP Members of Parliament praising destinations around the globe; flying business class the broadcasting of deliberations by the Leader of for that matter. As for the dear President, the least said Opposition and Minority Leader of Opposition. Now, about his trips, the better. What do you do when you if Members of Parliament are this brain washed as to are out there colleagues? You sleep, eat and drink. praise something that should have taken place 15 years Only God knows what else because you do not seem to ago, then we have a very serious problem as a country. come back having learnt or benchmarked on anything Actually the word problem is an understatement, it is a tangible that we see you coming back to introduce into calamity. One wonders if theirs is pretention, ignorance our governance system. This brings doubts unto me or what else. We are 50 years independent, we have as to how much and how deep do you really love this resources and qualified personnel to broadcast the entire country… parliamentary proceedings live. Those of you who ASSISTANT MINISTER OF YOUTH have kindergarten mentality, please do not bring it here EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE because we should be doing more than we have done DEVELOPMENT (MR MAKGALEMELE): On a by allowing the Leader of Opposition and the Leader point of procedure Mr Speaker. Thank you Mr Speaker. of Minority to have them broadcast. I should be live on Ke ne ke re gongwe o re gakolole gore a re ntse re mo television as I speak now. tsamaisong. Motlotlegi a re maeto a ga Tautona fa a MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kgoroba! tsamaile, o dira ditiro tse a ntseng a di kaya. Re tle re bone mo mekwalong and on television tiro e Tautona MR KGOROBA: I withdraw those words Mr Speaker. a bong a ile go e dira. A dipuo tse di ntseng jaana, tse MR SPEAKER: Tswelela ka gore o a itse gore o sentse di timetsang clearly, a o a di letlelela gore di buiwe mo fa kae. Ntlong e Mr Speaker? Tautona o a golegwa mme re itse gore o a bo a ile go dira ditiro tse di botlhokwa jang tse MR KGOROBA: Recently we experienced the lowest di solegelang lefatshe le mosola go le kae. voter turnout ever in relation to population statistics, and we pretend not to know the cause of such apathy. MR SPEAKER: Ke tsaya gore Honourable Kgoroba le ene o a itse gore fa Tautona a tswa kwa a bong a ile teng, Mr Speaker, democracy is a rolling wheel, which you o bitsa a press conference a bua gore o ne a ile go dira cannot expect to keep evolving on its own without eng. Le mo mekwalong o kwadile gore go ne go ilwe go participants evolving too. It is foolhardy on our part dirwa eng. O bua ka fa a buang ka teng ka gore go raya to expect people to participate in a democracy without gore dilo tseo ga a di bone. E seng jalo o a di bona mme sound political education and political development. Our ga a di kgotsofalele. Go fitlhelela a tswa mo tseleng a people still do not understand the importance of their dirisa mafoko a a sa amogelesegeng, ke gone ke tlaa role in the political landscape. Just like any other form

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of education, political education is the responsibility on corruption, go bo go tla go fiwa pego, ga ke itse gore of Government, but because the BDP Government’s go ne go fiwa pego kae. Dikgosana tse di neng di ema, survival depends on the political illiteracy of our people, three of them, ba ba nkemisitseng midway ke santse ke it has remained business as usual for the BDP. They bua le morafe, ba ne ba bua gore, “rraetsho gatwe o bua should not deafen our ears with cries of voter apathy, polotiki, fa o tsena mo go tse tsa tshenyetso-setšhaba, when the chickens have now come home to roost. gatwe o bua polotiki, re na le taelo e e tswang kwa Ofising ya ga Tautona gore, re se ka ra go letlelela ka A few months back during my Kgotla meetings, my gore Dikgotla tse ke tsa rona”. That is exactly what main focus was on educating the people on corruption happened. and the repercussions of corruption. Dikgosana or some Kgotlas, were instructed from the Office of the HONOURABLE MEMBER: O bua ka Tautona President to intervene and stop my meetings midway, Masisi? the minute I started talking about corruption. This is a living example of the negativity of this Government MR KGOROBA: Ee, ke ka nako ya ga Tautona Masisi, towards political education. Our people are destined after President Khama had retired. to remain in the dark deliberately, so how then do we Our labour laws are brutal, ineffective, frustrating and expect them to participate meaningfully in a democratic cruel to say the least. Employers take advantage of the process of this country? ineffectiveness of the law and abuse employees. What MR LELATISITSWE: Point of order. Mokaulengwe saddens most is it is foreign owned businesses that are o bua gore his meetings di ne tsa kgorelediwa ka gore on top of the list of businesses that abuse our people. Dikgosi dingwe di ne tsa fiwa instruction ke Office of Citizens have to wait for no less than three years, to get the President, re re gongwe a re neele bosupi pele ga a delivery of justice on very small monies. How do you tswelela, re tle re bone tota gore Office of the President spend three to four years, going up and down the courts ga e dire sentle fa e ne e sotlaka mokaulengwe ka kwa seeking payments of P1,200.00 or even P5,000. 00. ka fa a buang ka teng. Akere re batla bosupi jwa teng Our Constituency offices are inundated with numerous fela go bona gore a mme go tlhoafetswe. labour matters, yet we are not trained on labour disputes.

MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, o ka bo o mo kopile MR NTLHAILE: Point of order. Mr Speaker, ke clarification gore a go tlhalosetse gore o dirile jang le dumela gore Ntlo ya Palamente e tlaabo e dule mo Ofisi eo ya ga Tautona, le se ka la ntsenya mo teng. Nna tsamaisong fa e le gore Mopalamente o kgorelediwa ke ke reeditse dikgang tsa kwa Mogoditshane. Tswelela Office of the President go dira tiro e a e romilweng ke rraetsho. batlhophi ba kgaolo ya gagwe. This is not acceptable. I was expecting gore kgang e Vice President o tlaa e HONOURABLE MEMBERS: ...(Laughter!)... araba, but I think it will be improper gore go lebege jalo.

MR KGOROBA: I am witness to that. I was the MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, Honourable Ntlhaile ga gona one who was intercepted midway through my Kgotla sepe se se duleng mo tseleng. Honourable Kgoroba meetings. I do not need to bring any other evidence, I o bua dingongorego tsa gagwe tsa kwa kgaolong ya am the evidence myself. gagwe. Leader of the House o tlaa tla a mo araba fa a fetola kgang kwa bofelong. Gore ga a yo fa go na le ka MR KESUPILE: Clarification. Mma ke go leboge fa re bolokang mafoko a le a buang ka teng, o se ka wa Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente le Motlotlegi, tshwenyega. Tswelela Honourable Kgoroba. motho wa ga Kgoroba. Ke re a ko kgang e o e papamatse fela sentle, ka gore go botlhokwa gore Mopalamente MR KGOROBA: Secondly, the law has not given a buise phuthego ya Kgotla a bue le morafe. A ko o e us any powers or authority to deal with such matters papamatse fela sentle, o e kotege fela re e utlwe re tle re of labour. It is only out of compassion that we assist nne masole re go thuse. our constituents, and half the time by the grace of God MR KGOROBA: Honourable Kesupile, when I was we are able to succeed in our mediations. Is this not an midway through my Kgotla meetings, because I had a indication that it is now time constituency offices are number of them, go raya gore kwa go tse ke neng ke ile allocated Labour Officers, especially those in urban and kwa go tsone pele, because I was educating the people peri-urban areas?

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Also I advocate that we give the Labour offices power to MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kgoroba, fa o buela le imprison employers who disrespect the Labour Offices nna dikgang tseo fa, o a bo o ntlhasela, mme go ntlhasela when they are called for hearings. There is a serious ga go a siama gotlhelele, go diphatsa thata. Se ntlhasele undermining of our Labour offices by employers. mothowetsho. Tswelela.

Mr Speaker, Alliance for Progressives (AP) does MR KGOROBA: Ke go utlwile Mr Speaker. I therefore, not only detest corruption, we are also very allergic curse all the Ministers in this House to this misfortune to corruption. Our President, Honourable Gaolathe, of being severely disabled so that their families can… brought to this very House a Motion that advocated for (Interruptions)… a judicial commission of enquiry. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kgoroba, nnyaa, nnyaa, There have been allegations that His Excellency Dr ga o ka ke wa ba wa dira jalo, withdraw ao mafoko. Mokgweetsi Masisi, has been implicated as a beneficiary Dirisa mafoko fela a a amogelesegang, ga o ka ke wa of National Petroleum Fund (NPF) proceedings; tla wa hutsa ba bangwe wa ba eleletsa dilo tse di maswe allegations, underline that. In a proper functioning mo Ntlong. Withdraw mafoko ao, o dirise mafoko fela democracy, we would have been the one to expedite an a a siameng. enquiry to absolve the number one citizen from such MR KGOROBA: I withdraw the words Mr Speaker, allegations, but to the surprise of many it is the very mme fela go utlwisa botlhoko because ke bone ba ba Government of the day that shot down the Motion. tshotseng marapo. I have been talking about governance. It will not be farfetched for anybody to believe the As the backbench, we have no power, they are the only allegations to be true. We are sick and tired of this lack ones with power and they have the power to come up of transparency by the leadership of this country. This is with a dispensation to address the issue ya the disabled, where the notion of transformation by the AP, and not especially the severely disabled. normalization, emanates from. One week or two ago, I stood here on the floor of this People Living with Severe Disability House, you remember Mr Speaker, ke bua a very sad story. Dilo tse di utlusa botlhoko ka gore re kopana le Important as it is to address the plight of the disabled, tsone. Nna ga ke itse gore a bone kwa dikgaolong tsa I beg for pardon for the disabled community, and plead bone ga ba kopane le tsone mo e leng gore jaanong ba with them that they allow me to at least for now focus iketlile fela, e nna e le “nnyaa, re a dira” but nothing is on the people living with severe disability. ‘Sedibeng coming out of it and batho bone kwa ba a sotlega. So fa go iwa ka tsela,’ and it is only appropriate that in our gongwe tota ba re buisa dipuo tse di maswe tse tsa go ba quest to have Government playing a supporting role on hutsa ka gore tota re bona le bone ba sena maikaelelo a this plight, our first step should be that to the severely go dira sepe, mme go sena sepe se se thata, re itse gore disabled. It really boggles my mind as to what really lefatshe le le lone itsholelo ya lone e ka kgona go thusa. is difficult for Government to address the plight of the Thank you Mr Speaker. disabled, and more especially, the severely disabled. I put it before this House that Government should MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: On a point of elucidation. come up with some dispensation that will give living Motlotlegi kana fa o bua ka boeteledipele jo bo tshwereng allowance to the disabled and their caretakers. marapo, ke jaaka re bona gone gompieno ka kwa gore the Ministers are not there, only two senior Ministers. I have attempted several times Mr Speaker to table Ke Vice President (VP) le Rre Molale fela, the rest of before this House a Private Members’ Bill which sought the Ministers are not there. Ke yone backbench fela le to address the matter but have been sent from pillar to rona ka kwano, opposition; it does not look nice; it is post by the Speakership. 18 months down the line, my not good for the country. Kana these are the drivers of Bill has still not seen the light of the day. the policies, these are the people who we are talking to, My conclusion and conviction is that the Speakership who are supposed to be listening and are supposed to is hell-bent on denying this House the opportunity be advising the leadership ya ga Tautona. Bona gore o to debate this Bill and deny even the very victims of a otsela le ene Vice President, o edimola thata. Ke raya disability to resolve their predicament. gore a go a bo go ntse go siame …

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MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mokgware, ke a itse gore MR SALAKAE: On a point of elucidation. Ga ke na le baagisanyi kwa le nnang teng, mme le se ka la buisana bosupi mo go kalokalo Mr Speaker, mme se ke nang jalo mo Palamenteng. le bosupi ka sone ke gore dikgang tse Motlotlegi Mopalamente a di buang tse di ka tswa di tshwana le tsa MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: I withdraw those words kwa Gantsi ka gore mo dikgweding tse tharo kana tse my VP, ga o otsele mongwame. Ke raya gore mme gone nne tse di fetileng, ke ne ka lotlelelwa kwa ntle ke Kgosi VP, ke kopa gore le wena o bo o lebelela. Selelo sa ga gotwe, “ga o bue mo Kgotleng ya me” Dikgang tse ke Rre Kgoroba… le wena lebelela fela mongwame, it is di tlisitse kwa Ofising ya ga Tautona le kwa Toneng yo not good for the country gore at this very hour, we only o okametseng dikgang tsa ga Tautona. Jaanong Mothusa have one Minister and more backbenchers le rona ka kwano. Thank you. Tautona fa a ntse a ganela jaana, tota boammaaruri ke gore dilo tse di a diragala and go lebega go ya go feta MR KGOROBA: Thank you Honourable Mokgware, dinako tsa ga Khama. re bona one a fela a. MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kgoroba, feleletsa kgang MR SALAKAE: On a point of clarification. Ke a leboga ya gago rra. Honourable Molebatsi go modumo. Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga Motlotlegi Mopalamente. Kgantele o ne wa bua puo e nngwe e e tshosang e ke MR KGOROBA: In Mogoditshane, there has been no eletsang gore o e tlhatswe sentle gore re tle re e utlwe land allocation since 1994; 24 years ago. Remember botoka gore a wa re Puso ya ga Tautona Masisi e tsamaela people are entitled to apply for land only after turning go gaisa ya ga Khama kana e tshwana le ya ga Khama 21 years of age. So in essence, if you calculate 21 plus poo! mo jaanong e tsenyang Dikgosi mo sepolotiking, 24 equals 43 years; 43 year olds are yet to be allocated mo e laelang Dikgosi gore ba se ka ba re letlelela go land. What this means is our people who are below the tsena mo Dikgotleng jaaka ba dirile kwa Gantsi. age of 50 have between 10 to 15 years before they retire MR SPEAKER: Honourable Kgoroba, o se ka wa mo and as such are seriously time constrained between letla gore a go gogele mo thaelong, o go bopela mafoko. retirement age and mortgage periods. This also means people have already been rendered destitutes not by MR KGOROBA: Nnyaa ga a nkgogele mo thaelong, their own doing. kana selo se se diragetse in May/June, Tautona Masisi e setse e le Tautona. Ke gore jaanong ke sosologile ke I have written a letter to the President four months ago itse gore Puso ele ya kgatelelo e fetile, re a bua re mo with respect to the dire situation at the Mogoditshane Sub pusong ya batho ka batho; freedom of speech e teng. Ka Land Board with suggestions and the recommendations gakgamala gore a mme Puso ya ga Tautona Masisi ke that may resolve the prevailing predicament that is yone e e ka dirang jaana. Jaanong fa e le gore gongwe experienced by our land board. To this day, I am still to Tautona ene ga a itse sepe, rra wee, go raya gore o ye receive an acknowledgement; just an acknowledgment, go e tlhotlhomisa Honourable VP gore Dikgosana tsa not a response, just an acknowledgment from the Mogoditshane ba ne ba nkemisa ke bua mo Kgotleng, President that they have received that letter. ba ne ba filwe ke mang tetla, molaetsa kana instruction We had hope on the 1st of April that President Masisi ya gore ba nkemise ke ema ke bua mo Kgotleng? will be different from the former kante nnyaa, same HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. wine, new bottle. Selo se bo Tautona jwa Botswana se tshwanetse se bo se hemisa. MR KGOROBA: No, my time has run out; I am telling you the truth. I am talking about something that MR SPEAKER: Heela! Honourable Kgoroba, nnyaa! I experienced; Kgosi a ema fa pele ga me a emisa a MR KGOROBA: I withdraw. Sorry, Mr Speaker. Kana Kgotla meeting. That happened and there are people ke gore ke kwadile. Sorry Mr Speaker, I withdraw. who can come and give evidence to that. Elucidation, Honourable Salakae. MR SPEAKER: Ga o ka ke wa ba wa dira jalo. O kwadile mme o tshwanetse gore o lemoge mafoko a o ka MR SPEAKER: Bona, ga se wena Speaker, ga o ka ke se keng o a dirise o bua ka Tautona. A ntshe mafoko ao. wa gana clarifications o bo o itshupela ba o batlang ba bua. Se dire jalo. MR KGOROBA: I withdraw Mr Speaker.

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LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): On PROCEEDINGS SUSPENDED AT 4:00 P. M. FOR a point of order. Mr Speaker, how many times has the APPROXIMATELY 30 MINUTES Honourable Member been asked to withdraw since he started speaking? Do you think this is genuine? Do you PROCEEDINGS RESUMED AT 4:33 P. M. think he is honest? Or this is just something else because MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Tswelela Honourable he has been told several times and he is deliberate and Makgalemele. consistent in doing so. So why do you not just take action further than that of just saying, “withdraw”. Gape MR MAKGALEMELE: Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker. ke Motswana, o a itse fela gore le fa a bua jaana mafoko O tlaa baakanya nako. Ke ne ke setse ke simolotse ke a pele, a morago ke dithuthuntshwane. Ke sone se a go leboga Motlotlegi Tautona wa lefatshe la rona, Dr se dirang se. Mokgweetsi Eric Keabetswe Masisi, go bo a ne a re fa tekodiso e e bophara, e re fa seemo ka fa se ntseng ka MR SPEAKER: Order! Order! Nnyaa, ke a go utlwa teng mo lefatsheng la rona. A bo a re baya pele megopolo Father of the House, tota tiro ya me ke go nna ke e re ka e sekasekang, re bona gore re ka e tlhotlha jang kgalema fa go dirisiwang mafoko a e seng one. Ke felela ra e isa kwa dikgaolong tsa rona gore e ye go re boloka. fela fa go kgalemeng, ga ke ka ke ka dira sepe go feta too, ntswa ke ka mo emisa go bua. Ga re ise re tsene mo Mo godimo ga moo Mr Speaker, ke eletsa gape kwa seemong seo. Ke tsaya gore o santse a e tshwere sentle tshimologong, ke leboge gore mo go lone letsatsi leo, le fa a e tla a senya. Ke tlaa nna ke ntse ke mo kgalemela re bo re ne ra nna le pula. Go supa gore ke letsatsi le fa a tswa mo tseleng. Tswelela Honourable Kgoroba. le segofetseng. Ke dumela gore mafoko a a buileng fa re ka a tsaya ka tlhwaafalo, ra a isa kwa dikgaolong tsa MR KGOROBA: Ke a konetelela Mr Speaker. Ke rona, a tlaa thusa batho ba rona mo go segofetseng. tsena mo kgannyeng ya Constituency Development Fund; Honourable Slumber Tsogwane a santse a le Gape ke ntse ke le mo tshimologong, ke eleletse kwa Local Government, a ise a tlhatlosiwe maemo, a Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente botsogo. Tautona ise a nne Vice President jaana, ke ne ka mmolelela ka o ne a re kaela gore o mo diphateng tse re dumelang gore tsamaiso e e robilweng in my constituency, whereby ga di sa tlhole di le bothitho thata. Bosheng jaana, ke the procedures were violated. Implementation and kile ka robadiwa kwa Princess Marina Hospital malatsi decisions to decide on projects to undertake with the a le marataro. Ka jalo, ke a itse… P10 million Constituency Fund were highly violated. I HONOURABLE MEMBER: Wena? reported to Honourable Slumber Tsogwane and he took no action. As I am talking to you now, we are still trying MR MAKGALEMELE: Ee rra nna. Princess Marina th th to implement projects tsa 2017/2018. We have not even Hospital, from the 25 of October to the 30 of October. started projects tsa 2018/2019 because the whole thing Ke… is in tatters. The plan was not there. There was a political HONOURABLE MEMBER: O ne o tlhwaafetse? agenda to circumvent me as a Member of Parliament to undertake projects and that is why now it is backfiring. MR MAKGALEMELE: Ke ne ke sa tlhwaafala, ke ne Now you are the Vice President, you have the powers, I ke lwala ke ile go alafiwa kwa Princes Marina Hospital. want you to go back and investigate how the P10 million Ke leboge dingaka le baoki ba a public hospital e e fund has been undertaken in Mogoditshane. tshwanang le Marina, go bo ba ne ba mpha tlhokomelo MR SPEAKER: Your time is up! eo. Ke ba eleletse masego le matlhogonolo gore botlhe ba ba tlhokomelang, baoki le dingaka tsotlhe mo ASSISTANT MINISTER OF YOUTH lefatsheng la rona, Modimo o ba thuse gore fa ba alafa EMPOWERMENT, SPORT AND CULTURE batho, batho bao ba fole. DEVELOPMENT (MR MAKGALEMELE): Ke a go leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke Mr Speaker, ke leboga thata gore Tautona mo go re leboga thata gore Tautona wa lefatshe la rona, a bo a re lekodiseng ga rona, o tsamaile a ipha dielo tsa gore o lekodisitse ka botsogo jwa setšhaba sa lefatshe la rona. tlaabo a dirile eng, leng. Ke tseela gore seo re tshwanetse re se itumelele. Re tlhola re re dilo di a buiwa, ga di MR SPEAKER: Order! Mma e re o santse o simolola na timelines, mme o dirile jalo mo makgethong a a jalo Honourable Makgalemele, re tseye phefonyana, re farologaneng. O supile gore go tlaabo go dirilwe eng le tlaa boa ka half past four. eng. Re tseela gore seo se tlaa thusa fela thata.

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Ke go leboge Mr Speaker gore e re fela e le lantlha, re e o kileng wa e botsa, a e araba ka fa a e arabileng ke bo re ne ra letlelela Moeteledipele wa Kganetso gore teng, o itse tsamaiso. O ka sala tsamaiso ya teng morago. mafoko a gagwe, setšhaba se a utlwe ka tlhamalalo. Re Gompieno mo tlogele fela a debate, o lese go mo ne ra letlelela le Moeteledipele wa Party e e Potlana mo kgopakgopetsa. Tswelela Honourable Makgalemele. Ntlong e, gore le mafoko a gagwe, setšhaba se a utlwe ka tlhamalalo. Ke dumela gore seo, ke seemo fela se se MR MAKGALEMELE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ke itumedisang. Ke eletsa gore o se ka wa felela foo. Ga tseela gore ke itlhalositse. Mma ke tswelele pele ke re, re a bolo go dumalana mo Ntlong e gore Palamente e tekodiso ya setšhaba, e re fa sebaka sa gore le rona re tlaa anamisiwa ka tlhamalalo. Ke go kope Mr Speaker tshwantshanye, re lebeletse seemo ka fa se ntseng ka teng ka gore, ke dumela gore ke nngwe ya dikgang tse o di mo dikgaolong tse re di emetseng. Kwa tshimologong nyafalelang gore Batswana ba re utlwe fa re ba buelela ke supe jaana gore, tekodiso ya setšhaba, ke e bona e na mo Ntlong e, kana re sa ba buelele. Ke go kope jalo gore le mengwe megopolo. Mengwe ya yone jaaka ke setse le yone o e sale morago. Ke tseela gore o setse o atlegile ke supile fa morago, fa e ka tlhotlhiwa sentle, e ka thusa mo go tse pedi tseo, jaanong take it to the next level. batho ba kwa gaetsho. Ke tlaare ke ntse ke tsweletse, dingwe tsa tsone ke tlaa di nankola. MR MMOLOTSI: Clarification. Minister, o e tlhalose Ke ne ke eletsa gore ke supe pele kwa tshimologong Mr thata ka gore ke wena yo ke neng ka go botsa potso Speaker, dingwe dikgwetlho tse re nang le tsone kwa mo Palamenteng e, o santse o le Mothusa Tona kwa kgaolong ya rona ya Shoshong. Re na le kgwetlho ya Lephateng la Ofisi ya ga Tautona. O ne o tlhalosa gore gore, kwa motseng wa Kalamare, re na le sekole se se go tlhoka a special studio gore thulaganyo e, e nne teng. botlana sa Kalamare Junior Secondary School, re na Gongwe o e atolose ka go tlhalosa gore jaaka maloba go le lebaka le leleele re ntse re solofeditswe gore go tlaa ne go gasiwa jaana, special studio se a bo se le fa kae nna le matlo a boroko jwa bana. Matlo a a botlhokwa; ka nako eo? boarding facilities Mr Speaker, ka gore a tlaa akolwa ke MR MAKGALEMELE: Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi metse e le mmalwa, go balelwa le metse ya Mmutlane le Mmolotsi. Special studio; boitseanape bo a tokafala. Bonwapitse, e e leng gore gompieno bana fa gongwe ba Ke sone se o bonang maloba go sena special studio, tlamega gore ba tsamae ka dinao lebaka le leleele gore ga kgona go nna le thulaganyo eo. Ke dumela gore ba ye kwa junior secondary e e kwa Kalamare. technology e tokafetse, e e ka re kgontshang gore seo Motlotlegi Tona Goya fa a santse a le kwa Lephateng se diragale. la Thuto, o ne a ya kwa motseng wa Kalamare a feta a re tlhomamisetsa, mme le mo bogompienong re ntse Mr Speaker, jaaka ke setse ke supile, tekodiso ya re a tlhomamisediwa gore project e was tendered for, e setšhaba… tshwanetse gore e abelwe rra kana mmadikonteraka. Ke MR MMOLOTSI: Procedure. No, Mr Speaker, go kope Mr Speaker gore Motlotlegi Arone le bodiredi jwa clear gore Honourable Assistant Minister is misleading gagwe ba tsibogele kgang e ya dikago tsa borobalo jwa Ntlo e. O a itse gore at one point, o ne a bua gore go bana kwa Kalamare Junior Secondary School. tlhoka special studio. Kana this thing ya gore Palamente Re na le kgwetlho e nngwe e tona Mr Speaker ya ditsela. e bonwe e le live ka State of the Nation Address and ka Ditsela di re tshwarisitse bothata, di mo seemong fela se Budget, e tswa kgakala. Ga ke itse gore fa a re dilo di se tshwenyang. Re na le tsela ya motse wa Mosolotshane a tlhabologa, ga go tlhoke special studio, go simolotse le Moralane. E re isa dipolaseng tse di bidiwang gotwe leng? Maloba o ne a bua se, letsatsi leno o bua se, ke Western Sand Veldt. Seemo sa yone se maswemaswe, jaanong re mo tshephe jang? Procedure e ke e kopang go tsewa nako e telele tsela eo e sa baakanngwe. Maloba ke gore, a go siame, go a letlelesega gore Ntlo e, e fa ke ile go tlhola bagaetsho kwa Moralane, ke fitlhetse bolelelwe se letsatsi leno, kamoso e bo e bolelelwa se, e e bile ba itiretse e nngwe ka fa thoko, e le gore jaanong ntse e le motho a le mongwefela? e ba ka bong ba tsamaya ka yone, dilori tsa bone di a MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, mme tota Honourable foforega, ke mathata fela Mr Speaker. Fa ke lebelela Mmolotsi le fa o ntse o reng motlotlegi, o kgopakgopetsa tekodiso e ntse jaana, ke bone gore a mme gone go na Honourable Makgalemele. A ko o lese Honourable le nngwe tharabololo e ke ka e bonang fa ke lebeletse Makgalemele a debate. Fa o batla go sala morago kgang bothata jo bo tshwanang le jone jo.

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Mo godimo ga moo Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa teng, Dikgosana tsa Tetlanyo jalojalo. Ke fitlhetse e le Palamente, mo Lenaneong la bo Lesome la Ditlhabololo seemo se se utlwisang botlhoko thata Mr Speaker. (NDP) 10 re ne ra solofediwa gore Shoshong e tlaa nna le a sub district, di ne di supilwe di le lesome Mr Go na le mongwe Kgosi yo o tlogetseng tiro kwa motseng Speaker. wa Mosolotshane, o bidiwa gotwe Kgosi Molobi. O ne a etle a ntheye a re, ka fa seemo sa Dikgotla se wetseng kwa MR LELATISITSWE: Elucidation. Thank you so tlase ka teng, go lebega o kare re itebaditse gore lefatshe much Honourable Speaker. O ise o tswe thata mo le le thaetswe mo Dikgotleng. A bo a mpha sekai gore, Kalamare, ke re kana motse o wa Kalamare ke o o gompieno fa o tsaya Kgotla o bo o e tshwantshanya le bapileng le dithaba, jaanong go na le metsi a mantsi, diofisi tsa land board, e bile a bo a nthaya, “ga ke reye gongwe le dikgang tsa ditsela tse di internal tse, o e gore land board e molato,” mme ke diemo tse pedi tse tshware thata, kana ke na le kgatlhego kwa Kalamare e leng gore ga o ka ke wa di tshwantshanya ka fa e leng mo malatsing a a gautshwanyane. gore land offices were resourced over the years. Jaanong tota fela kgang e e tlhokana le gore re e tsenye leitlho MR MAKGALEMELE: Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi fela thata Mr Speaker. Lelatisitswe. Se se nkutlwisang botlhoko ke gone gore, mo go yone MR SPEAKER: Honourable Makgalemele, e re Ntlo e, during the 10th Parliament, re ne ra fetisa o tswelela mo go se a neng a se bua, o mo gakolole mogopolo wa gore the profile of the Kgotla e tsholediwe. gore mo Palamenteng re ikanetse gore ga re na go tlisa Mogopolo wa teng in the 10th Parliament o ne o tla ka dikeletso tsa rona kwa pele. Tswelela Motlotlegi. nna Mr Speaker. Mo go yone Ntlo e during the 11th HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Laughter!)… Parliament, Motlotlegi Moswaane o ne a tla ka a similar Motion, ra dumalana gore re tshwanetse re dire gotlhe MR MAKGALEMELE: …(Laughter!)… Ke tseela mo re ka go kgonang go tsholetsa serodumo le seemo sa gore o setse o mo tlhaloseditse Mr Speaker. Dikgotla mo lefatsheng la rona, mme re santse re saletse kwa morago. Ke nngwe ya dikgang tse di re tshwenyang Ke tsene mo Lenaneong la bo Lesome la Ditlhabololo, kwa kgaolong ya Shoshong. re ne re solofeditswe a sub district kwa kgaolong ya rona, mme fa o lebelela Lenaneo la bo Lesome le Motso Re na le kgwetlho ya bodiredi jo bo tlhaelang Mr (NDP) 11, sub district eo ga e sa tlhole e le teng. Ke Speaker. Ke go fa sekai, fa modiredi a tshwana le nngwe ya dikgang tse di tshwenyang bagaetsho, di ba mmaboipelego, mokenti kana molemisi a seyo, ke moka utlwisitse botlhoko fela thata. Keletso ya me ke gore, itsholelo ya teng e emang. Metse e tshwana le Moralane, ba lephata la ga Motlotlegi Venson-Moitoi, ba lebelele Mokgenene le Poloka, fa bodiredi joo bo seyo, ke moka kgang e, ba boele kwa go yone. Ke dumela gore fa re itsholelo ya teng e emang. Jaanong ke re, a e re le fa re lebelela fa re neng re le teng fa re simolola NDP 10, go bua ka rationalization ya bodiredi jwa Puso, mme gone ne ga nna le bodiredi jo bo neng jwa nna jwa isiwa kwa re itse gore go na le bongwe bodiredi jo bo botlhokwa dikgaolong tsa rona. Ka fa ke lebelelang ka teng ke gore, fela thata mo go tsholetseng itsholelo le matshelo a fa re diragatsa thulaganyo e ya sub districts, ga go ka ke batho ba rona mo dikgaolong ka go farologana. ga re turela thata jaaka gongwe go ne go ka re turela ka nako ya fa re dira dipalo fa re simolola NDP 10 ka gore Nngwe ya dikgang tse di tshwenyang, ke tse di bongwe bodiredi bo ne ba nna ba isiwa kwa dikgaolong itebagantseng le se re se dumalaneng re le Puso gore re tsa rona. Jaanong ke re kgang e e lebelelwe gape, e se tla direla dielo re di neela Batswana. Re na le thulaganyo ka ya lebelelwa fela in the context ya expenditure that e re e anamisang, re a e rotloetsa, e bidiwa gotwe ke was budgeted for fa re simolola Lenaneo la bo Lesome “Ten Point Agenda.” Ke e e kaelang modiredi wa Puso la Ditlhabololo. gore fa re isa ditirelo kwa setšhabeng, re bo re di isa mo seelong sa mofuta o o ntseng jang. Sekai, number 10 Mr Speaker, re na le bothata kwa kgaolong ya Shoshong ya the Ten Point Agenda e bua ka gore re ka dira jang ka seemo sa Dikgotla ga mmogo le Dikgotlana. E rile gore re itebaganye le gore how do we deal with lapses bosheng jaana, ke kile ka etela Dikgotlana kwa motseng tse di ka nnang teng. Nngwe ya lapses tse di etleng di wa Bonwapitse, ke tshwere phuthego ya Kgotla. E rile nne teng kwa kgaolong ya rona, tse di re tshwenyang, fa ke e fetsa, Dikgosi le Dikgosana ba nkopa gore ke ye ke go tsamaya ga boranyane jo bo bidiwang gotwe go ba etela, ke bone seemo sa Kgotlana kwa ba dirang ke Government Accounting and Budgeting System

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(GABS). Motho o tlaabo a emeletse kwa motseng wa motlakase jaana, batho ba teng ba felela ba salela thata, Moralane a ya go tsaya ditlamelo kwa Mahalapye tse ba maramerwe ke lehuma. Ke go kope Motlotlegi di tlhokang gore gongwe a duelwe ka boranyane jwa Molale gore metse e e tshwanang le e, o e lebelele. Gape GABS, e tlaabo e re ba tsena koo; e bile fa gongwe Mr ke boe ke ntse ke go lebogela gore motse o tshwana le Speaker, a tsamaile ka madi a gagwe a bofelo, a beetse Moralane, o setse o tsere tshwetso ya gore o ya go re mo go reng e tlaare a sena go duelwa gone kwa, a bo tsenyetsa motlakase, se ke ka se kopang fela ke gone a tla a dirisa madi a teng go pagama go boela gae kwa gore o bone gore o ka fefosa ka tsela e e ntseng jang Moralane, e bo e re a tsena teng, go bo gotwe, “ga re ka gore re tle re kgone go bona motlakase kwa motseng wa ke ra go thusa ka gore GABS ga e bereke.” Go na le a go nna jalo. circular ya 2013 le ya 2015 e e rileng fa GABS e le down, go emiwe 30 minutes, mme e bo e re mo motsotsong wa ASSISTANT MINISTER OF LOCAL bo 31 go bo go dirisiwa manual. Ke dingwe tsa dilo tse GOVERNMENT AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT di felelang di sa dirisiwe, di bo di felela di sotla batho. (MS TSHIRELETSO): Elucidation. E re ke dumalana Mo kgaolong ya rona ka fa e anameng ka teng, motho nao rra, ke kopa gore kopo nngwe le nngwe e e ka a tswa bokgakala jo bo kalo Mr Speaker, re a bo re mo tlisiwang ke Honourable Molale, a metse yotlhe e e 60 sotlile fela thata. I yield Mr Speaker. e e setseng e kopelwe madi, e amogelwe ke Ntlo e, re e eme nokeng. Ke a leboga. MR KESUPILE: Clarification. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke go leboge MR MAKGALEMELE: Ke dumalana le wena motlotlegi. O santse o tshwere kgang e ke utlwang o e Motlotlegi Tshireletso. Kgang e nngwe Mr Speaker, tshwere ka botswerere e, ke go botse ka tsholofelo ya ke e e itebagantseng le banana. Banana ba kgaolo gore o tlaa re sedimosetsa. e ke e emetseng, mme e bile gongwe e le banana ka A jaaka o bua, ga se gore o mo thulaganyong e e ka bong kakaretso mo lefatsheng la rona, re dirile re le Puso go e tokafaditswe, e bidiwa gotwe e-Government (e-Gov), ba direla tse di faphegileng, mo re reng ke, “affirmative e madi a teng a ntshitsweng mme go utlwala a dirisitswe action for young people”. Dikarabo tse di neng di fiwa gompieno, maikaelelo a go bopa se se neng se batlega sa tshokologong eno di boditswe ke Motlotlegi Reatile, di e-Gov sone se sa bonale? ne di supa ka fa maphata a a farologanyeng a lekang ka teng gore affirmative action for young people e ka MR MAKGALEMELE: Ke a go leboga Mr Speaker. diragadiwa ka tsela e e ntseng jang. Thulaganyo ya teng Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Kesupile. Ke tshwanetse Mr Speaker, e segetse banana fa lefureng fa re ne re ka ka amogela gore thulaganyo ya rona ya e-Gov e nnile dirisa commitments tsa teng mo go maleba. Sekai; re rile bonya. Ke tseela gore le bo Tona ba ba maleba ba tlhola fa banana ba le mo kgwebong ya dikago, construction ba amogela seo. Se ke ka sekeng ke se tlhomamise ke and maintenance, re tlaa ba neela 15 per cent ya madi a gone gore a bothata jo ke ntseng ke bo bua jo, fa e ne e le e leng gore re a seegetse fa thoko for construction and gore yone e-Gov ya rona e eme ka dinao, e itsetsepetse, maintenance budget in a particular year. Bothata bo fa a bo ne bo ka se ke bo nne teng? Ntlha e ke neng ke batla Mr Speaker, banana ba re e a re fa gongwe ba ikopetse gore ke e supe Honourable Kesupile, ke gore go na le tsone ditiro tsa go nna jalo, go nne le madiadia ka gore some safety nets that have been put in place go re thusa ke mo maphateng a a farologanyeng, a gore tsone the gore ditirelo di goroge kwa Batswaneng. The 10-Point tenders tseo di lebalebiwe (assess). Go tlaabo go nna Agenda ke nngwe ya tse di tshwanetseng go re thusa, di le madiadia, kgabagare tender ya go nna jalo e bo e kaele bodiredi on the ground gore ba kgone go direla sutlhiwa. Ba boa gape ba supa gore fa gongwe e re e setšhaba. Jaaka ke ne ke supa, point number 10 ya the sutlhilwe jalo, go bo go nna le a direct appointment; 10-Point Agenda, e bua ka dealing with lapses tse ga re le mo seemong sa gore gongwe Mangole (Pty) Ltd ntsi di sa fiweng attention, Batswana ba bo ba felela ba e ntse e le yone e e fang a service, go bo go raya gore sa bona ditirelo ka fa rona re neng re eleditse ka teng re fa go nna le madiadia and subsequent cancellation, go le Puso. felela go ka diriwa a direct appointment gore Mangole Re na le bothata Mr Speaker, jwa metse e e senang Enterprises e e neng e ntse e dira tiro ya go nna jalo, e motlakase; mo kgaolong ya rona gompieno, re na le nne yone e tsweledisang. Seo se bo se felela se ka kgoba metse e tshwana le Mokgenene le Poloka. Ke metse e banana marapo, ba ba ka bong ba ne ba akotse yone e kgakala le ditlamelo mme e bile jaanong fa go sena affirmative action e re e dirileng re le Puso …

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HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. motho yo se ntseng jang, le gone gore go nne le targeted interventions tse re ka kgonang go itebaganya le tsone. MR MAKGALEMELE: Ke re ke kope gore re leke bojotlhe re le maphata a Puso ka go farologana gore MR MOLEBATSI: On a point of clarification. Ke affirmative action for young people, especially e e a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente, ke itebagantseng le job creation, economic empowerment, a go leboga Minister. Ga se gore ke ne ke ngadile, ke helping them to go into business, e kgone go diragadiwa gore o ne o setse o ile kgakala. O ne o bua ka to profile gore ba kgone go akola seemo sa go nna jalo. bahumanegi; would you be profiling them o re fa motho a kgona go bona P250 ka kgwedi ga se mohumanegi, MR SPEAKER: O ngadile rra, tswelela. kana e tlaabo e le seelo sengwe se o ka se buang MR MAKGALEMELE: Bothata jo bongwe jo re nang gompieno? Se se leng teng gompieno, se a hutsafatsa le jone kwa kgaolong ya rona ke jwa leuba Mr Speaker. gore gotwe motho fa a kgona go bona P250 ka kgwedi Re na le mo leruo le phuphamang le seemo sa dijwalo ga a humanega. Ke a leboga. tse di sa itumediseng, e bile ke nngwe ya dikgwetlho tse MR MAKGALEMELE: Mr Speaker, ke tseela gore re nang le tsone kwa kgaolong ya rona ya Shoshong. fa re re motho ke motlhoki a le mo seemong se se Ke itumela mo mafokong a ga Tautona jaaka ke setse ntseng jang, re lekile re le Puso gompieno go tlhalosa. ke supile, ke ne ke etla gape ke leka go bona gore a Ke seemo se e leng gore se ntse se ka tokafadiwa go mafoko a a gagwe a na le matlhasedi mangwe a tse lebeletswe seemo sa botshelo ka fa se ntseng ka teng. Se di ka diriwang, tse di ka re tlisetsang tharabololo mo ke lekang go se tlhalosa Honourable Molebatsi ke gore kgaolong ya rona ya Shoshong. Tautona o bua gore go this profiling of poor people e mpha tsholofelo ya gore tlaa nna le lenaneo la go itebaganya le leuba; a drought re tlaa nna le more informed information ka seemo sa strategy. E bile a supa gore thulaganyo eo e tlaa nna batho ba ba humanegileng le ba ba farologanyeng, gore teng mo nakong e khutshwane. Ke a se lebogela seo Mr re tle re nne le maiteko le targeted interventions tse di ka Speaker, ka gore lefatshe la rona gammogo le kgaolo e kgonang go thusa batho ba go nna jalo. ke e emetseng, ka dinako tsotlhe e nna e faraferwe ke Mr Speaker, re tlhokana le ditiro mo lefatsheng la seemo sa leuba. Go a intumedisa fa Tautona a supa gore rona. Tautona o bua gore o tlaa tsweledisa maiteko a there is a drought strategy se e leng gore se tlaa diriwa. go ngokela bagwebi mo lefatsheng la rona. E bile ke Seo ke a se itumelela fela thata Mr Speaker. mo leboge ka gore o setse a supile gore o ikaeletse, Ke itumela thata gore gape Tautona a bo a supa kwa o itumile molomo wa tlase go bona gore bagwebi ba tsebeng ya bo masome a le mararo le bone (Page mafatshe a sele ba tla mo lefatsheng la rona. Maloba 34), kwa paragraph 253 gore go tlaa diriwa mo a go o ne a ile kwa lefatsheng la China, go mpha tsholofelo tlhalosang a re ke a profile of poor people in the country. ya gore one madi a a tswang go adimiwa teng, mangwe Go botlhokwa Mr Speaker, gore re itse seemo sa batho a one e le a ditsela, a tlaa re fa sebaka sa gore bontlha ba ba humanegileng mo lefatsheng la rona, le gore ba bongwe jwa madi a re neng re a seegetse fa thoko ka mo seemong se se ntseng jang. Kana fa gongwe Mr National Development Plan (NDP) 11, re re ke a ditsela, Speaker, o tlaa fitlhela e le gorea poor family … re a golole gore a tle a kgone go ya go dira ditsela tse dingwe, tse gongwe di neng di se mo ditogamaanong HONOURABLE MEMBER: Clarification. tsa go nna jalo. Ditsela di tshwana le tsa kwa bo Dibete/ Poloka/Mokgenene, Mokgenene/Otse le Mosolotshane/ MR MAKGALEMELE: …e tlhokana le gore go Moralane. Ke eletsa gore tsone dithuso tse re tswang itsewe seemo sa bone ka fa se ntseng ka teng. In a poor go di bona kwa lefatsheng la China, as part of Foreign family, fa gongwe lehuma le kgona go okediwa ke lack Direct Investment (FDI) and funding attraction, re of information e ba senang le yone, gore ga ba na Omang kgone to release some of the money gore a kgone go yo e leng gore can facilitate them to access programmes dira ditiro tsa go nna jalo Mr Speaker. tse di ka ba thusang. Fa gongwe ba tlhokana le thuso ya gore re bone gore programmes tse ba di filweng tsa Mr Speaker, Tautona o bua gape ka fa re tlaa oketsang Nyeletso Lehuma, how can they be assisted so that lebelo ka teng, ka go rurifatsa gore dingwe ditiro di they graduate into successful business people. Se ke dirwe re itshwaragantse le the private sector. A bua ka se itumelelang ke gore fa re nna le a profile of poor thulaganyo ya Public Private Partnerships (PPPs). Ke people, go tlaa re fa tshedimosetso ya gore seemo sa mo lebogele seo, e bile ke mo kope gore a bue le Matona

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a a farologaneng, thulaganyo e re kgone gore re e fefose re tlwaetse go nna le tsone, mme broadening the concept Mr Speaker, ka gore e ka re thusa fela thata gore bo ntsi ya creating more sub-businesses, jobs and opportunities jwa ditiro re kgone re di dire, re sa tlhokane le madi a ma for our people. Ka jalo ke lebogele Tautona gore a bo a ntsi a a tshwanetseng gore re a dirise immediately, re tle buile ka mogopolo o wa cluster development. re kgone go dira ditiro tse di farologanyeng. Mr Speaker, Tautona gape o bua ka mengwe megopolo ya ka fa re tlaa yang go thusa go tlhabolola banana ka Mr Speaker, Tautona gape o buile ka gore re tlaa nna teng… le a National Employment Strategy by the year 2019. Ke dumela gore seo ke kgatelopele e nngwe. Fa go MR KABLAY: On a point of clarification Mr Speaker. na le a National Employment Strategy, keletso ya me Thank you Mr Speaker. Thank you mokaulengwe. Ke re ke gore e tlaa lebelela seemo sa lefatshe la rona ka go rra, jaaka o ntse o ntsha matsorotsoro a dikai, a eng, a farologana. E tlaa lebelela gore dikgaolo di tshwana le dilo tse ga le ke le di bua at the Cabinet ka e bile o gaufi Shoshong jaana, comparative advantages kana mabaka thata le bone, gore dilo tse di tle di kgone go diragala mangwe a a faphegileng a e leng gore a teng ke afe, ka pela? a a ka dirisiwang go bona gore re betle diphatlha tsa ditiro mo go one mafelo a a ntseng jalo. Kwa ga rona MR MAKGALEMELE: Mr Speaker, dingwe di a re setse re simolotse go iteka. Re na le thulaganyo e buiwa, dingwe ga di buiwe. This is an opportunity ya re e biditseng re re ke “Shoshong Constituency; Your gore nna ke le Mopalamente wa kgaolo ya Shoshong, Investment Destination” e ka yone re lekang go ngoka e bile ke le one of your loyal MPs, Mr Chief Whip, ke bagwebi le go betla diphatlha tsa tiro. Ke dumela gore atolose with the hope ya gore gongwe re ka tsaya… fa go na le a more precise strategy se se itebagantseng HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… le go betla diphatlha tsa tiro mo lefatsheng la rona, ke nngwe ya dilo tse di tlaa thusang thata. Re bone gore MR MAKGALEMELE: He happens to be one of ditiro di a diriwa mo lefatsheng la rona. the many people that I am loyal to. So, do not get me there. Kgang e ke neng ke e supa ke gore Mr Speaker, Mr Speaker, Tautona o bua ka mogopolo wa cluster ke mengwe ya megopolo e e leng gore we need badiredi development gore Puso ya rona e tlaa o rotloetsa. Cluster ba Puso gore ba re thuse to broaden it up, re tle re bone development ke mogopolo o o reng fa re na le a product gore itsholelo ya rona e akola mo megopolong e e e le nngwefela, go na le bana ka products tse dingwe, ntseng jalo. kana go na le dingwe dikgwebo tse re ka di dirang mo go yone product ya go nna jalo, gongwe ke e fa sekai Kgang e ke neng ke re ke tsena mo go yone e ne e le ya ka product e tshwana le kgomo, go na le business tse banana Mr Speaker. Tautona o ne a bua ka gore dingwe dingwe tse di farologanyeng go tswa mo kgomong, tsa dilo tse re yang go di rotloetsa ke dikoporase tsa cluster development ya re a re se ka ra lebelela thuo kana banana. Ke lebogela seo. Fa ke lebeletse the broader kgwebo ya dikgomo in the context fela ya gore re rue programme ya affirmative action for young people, dikgomo. Batsadi ba rona e bile fa gongwe ba a di rua, I think go na le a lot of businesses tse re ka felelang e bo ba di reta, ke gore ba tsena mo lesakeng ba itumela re di dirile. E ne e kile ya re ka 13th March 2015, gore dipholo tse ke dipholo tota. Ke dumela se cluster Motlotlegi Moipisi a tla ka mogopolo, a o tlisitse mo go development e tshwanetseng go re thusa ka sone gore re yone Palamente e, a re o kopa gore re le Palamente re tlhaloganye kgwebo e tshwana le ya kgomo, gongwe re fetole lenaneo la CEDA Young Farmers Fund, e bidiwe bo re re, within product e e bidiwang gotwe kgomo, go gotwe CEDA Youth Entrepreneurship Fund. Ke re ke na le gore bangwe ba ka dira dijo tsa leruo, bangwe ba ka go kope Mr Speaker gore in line with committees tse tsena mo kgwebong ya breeding, ya maalolelo; weaner re nang le tsone, tse di tshwanetseng go rurifatsa gore production, feedlotting, transportation, marketing le tse re di dumalaneng di a diragadiwa, o re thuse go meat processing, jalojalo. O ka nna wa fitlhela e le gore bua le Puso gore mogopolo o o diragadiwe. Ke dumela within a product called kgomo, there are 20 other sub- gore mogopolo wa Youth Entrepreneurship Fund o re o businesses that can come out of that concept. Jaanong dumalaneng ka 13th March 2015, fa re ka o diragatsa, ke re Mr Speaker, ke eletsa gore bodiredi jwa rona bo re it will broaden funding options for young people, gore thuse to broaden some of these concepts, to make more banana ba tle ba kgone go tsena mo dikgwebong tse di meaning to our rural economies. Fa go ntse jalo, go ka farologaneng. Jaanong Mr Speaker, o ka bona gore se ke re thusa gore re dirise some of the products tse re setseng ntseng ke leka go se supa ke gore, mafoko a ga Tautona

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wa lefatshe la rona a re file mengwe megopolo e me mo ntlheng ya dikoporase fela gone gompieno. Ke ntse ntsi, e re ka e atolosang, ra e bopa, ra bona gore e ka ya ke bua ka tsone in the context of young people. Ke mo go boloka bagarona ka tsela e e ntseng jang go gatela go ya decentralization, ke go lebogele gore o tlatsa se kwa pele. ke se buang. Le nna ka rialo ka re, let us decentralise, let us make sure gore we give Local Authorities more Mr Speaker, re na le thulaganyo ya go thusa makgotla a guidance and capacity gore ba kgone go dira ditiro tse a ikemetseng ka nosi, Non-Governmental Organisations di ntsi tse di farologanyeng Mr Speaker. (NGOs). E ne ya re mo dingwageng tse pedi tse tharo tse di fetileng, e re ntswa one makgotla a a ditlhabololo a ne a Mr Speaker, kgang e ke eletsang gore gape re e lebelele, itikile Mr Speaker, ba ne ba aga lekgotla le bidiwa gotwe ke e ke e fileng setlhogo ke re, “local benchmarking.” Botswana Council of Non-Governmental Organisations Mr Speaker, ke a itse gore re le lefatshe la Botswana re a (BOCONGO), re le Puso ra tla ka lekgotla le lengwe ne re ya kwa mafatshe a mangwe go tsaya malebela ka fa le bidiwa gotwe the NGO Council, fa e le gore ke mafatshe ao a dirang ka teng. Mr Speaker, ke santse ke gakologelwa sentle. Tota kgang e ke tshwanetse ka supa dumela gore go na le successful economic development gore e nkutlwisitse botlhoko. E nkutlwisitse botlhoko ka interventions tse re nang le tsone mo lefatsheng la rona gore BOCONGO yo ka o ne a itlhametswe ke makgotla tse e leng gore we can still replicate kana ra di isa kwa a e seng a Puso, the NGOs themselves, re ka bo re ne ra mafelong a mangwe kana ra rotloetsa batho ba rona. bona gore how we can capacitate BOCONGO gore e nne Sekai, ra tsaya bangwe bagwebi ba ba solofetsang a viable organisation for NGOs in Botswana. Jaanong mo kgaolong ya Shoshong ra ya go bontsha project e ke re ke go kope Motlotlegi Makgato gore mo ditirong tshwana le ya Lobu e e leng gore Tautona o buile ka yone, tsa this NGO Council, o leke go bona how best can we e ke dumalanang le ene mo go yone. Le go bona gore capacitate BOCONGO, e le lekgotla le le ikemetseng ka Lobu o, if it can be replicated a isiwa mo dikgaolong tse nosi, le bopilwe ke makgotla a a ikemetseng ka nosi, e di farologanyeng ka gore re setse re na le a successful bile le ka re thusa mo ditlhabololong re le Puso, despite model called Lobu, batho bao re ka tsholetsa seemo sa the fact that re na le the NGO Council, e ke dumelang bone sa itsholelo le go betla ditiro ka tsela e e ntseng gore it is generally well funded by Government. jalo Mr Speaker. Ka jalo, ke ne ke eletsa gore bodiredi jwa rona bo re thuse to come up with maybe with what Kgang e nngwe e ke eletsang gore tota re e lebelele, you may call, “a menu of successful case studies” tsa gongwe e bile re bo re bone gore re ka e fefosa ka tsela e go tlhabololola matshelo a Batswana tse di dirilweng e ntseng jang, ke ya go dira gore ditirelo tse bo ntsi jwa mo lefatsheng la rona, re bo re batla a way ya go bona tsone re neng ra di tsaya kwa Goromenteng yo monnye gore those models can be replicated to other parts of (Local Government), re di busetse kwa go ene. Re ne the country Mr Speaker. So ke dumela gore seo se ka ra dira a lot of centralization over the years. We must re thusa fela thata gore e nne bontlha bongwe jwa go decentralize Mr Speaker. Re tshwanetse gore ditirelo ka fefosa ditlhabololo mo lefatsheng la rona. Mr Speaker, bo ntsi re di tlogele jaanong di diriwe kwa dikgaolong, re na le kgang ya badiredi ba ba teng mo lefatsheng la di dirwa ke Local Government structures. Ke tseela rona. Ga ntsi fa re bua ka badiredi, re na le go ganelela gore seo se ka re thusa thata gore re kgone go fefosa thata mo badireding ba Puso, mme kana badiredi ba ditlhabololo kwa dikgaolong, jaaka ke setse ke supile. mo mehameng e e farologanyeng. Bangwe ba kwa MR MOLEBATSI: On a point of clarification Mr merakeng, masimo, fa bangwe ba le mo mehameng e Speaker. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa mengwe. Ke ne ke eletsa gore re sekaseke gore a nako Palamente. Ke a go leboga Tona. Ke go itse ke go ga e a tla mo lefatsheng la rona gore re nne le seemo se e tshepa, gone fa o tsamayang teng foo o e tshwere sentle. leng gore re nna le a mandatory contract of employment Ke ne ke solofetse gore le dikoporase o fete ka tsone, for all employees in Botswana; whether ke modisa kana ka gore ke dingwe tse re solofelang gore Goromente o motho yo o berekang kwa masimong go direlela gore tshwanelwa ke gore a di emele ka dinao. E bile e ya ditshwanelo tsa bone di nne properly outlined. There decentralization e dirwe ka bofefo ka gore ke mathata are obligations, responsibilities and rights Mr Speaker. gone jaanong jaana, dikhansele di eme fela ga di na se Ke dumela gore ke nngwe ya dithulaganyo tse e leng di se dirang. gore lephata la ga Motlotlegi Mabeo ba tshwanetse ba bone gore a ba ka di sekaseka ka gore fa gongwe batho MR MAKGALEMELE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Ga ba tlaabo ba sa itse ditshwanelo tsa bone and areas of ke itse gore a motlotlegi ga a ntheetsa, kana ke tswa responsibility. Fa di kwadilwe, di dumalanwe di bo

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di saenelwa, ke tsaya gore seo se ka thusa fela thata I rise to say, yes we have learned, we have been taught mo go tlhabololeng matshelo a batho le go rurifatsa and in some instances, we have learned the hard way, ditshwanelo tsa bone, segolo thata ke lebeletse batho ba that is the hope, restoration and renaissance delivered by ba mo metsengselegae Mr Speaker. His Excellency the President, which I believed majority of this August House is essentially in accord with. Mr Speaker, mogopolo o mongwe o ke eletsang gore re o sekaseke, ke wa go bona gore mo maitekong a rona go On that note Mr Speaker, allow me to also stress and gorosa ditirelo kwa Batswaneng, bogolo jang thata ba ba reiterate our President’s commitment to the roadmap kwa metsengselegae, mogopolo o wa “one Government and way forward he exhibited in his Address, which approach,” re ka o dira ka tsela e e ntseng jang? Gongwe I believe we will follow with due diligence to serve, Mr Speaker, o tlaa fitlhela e le gore lengwe lephata le deliver and deliberate intentions and love to take this tlhoka koloi, mme dikoloi dingwe di phekile (parked) noble land to greater heights. mo diofising dingwe di sa dirisiwe. Fa ke santse ke le kwa Lephateng la Botsogo le Boitekanelo, fa gongwe Mr Speaker, I rise not for myself, but for the people re ne re na le go nna le bothata jwa ambulance e seyo, who trusted me to be their voice, ears, torch-bearer, mme go na le lephata lengwe le le neng le na le koloi diligent, selfless servant and a messenger that runs their e e ka bong e ne ya thusa gore molwetse a tsewe from errands tirelessly with their utmost interests at heart; the one point to the next point. Ke nngwe ya dikgang tse youth, elderly, children, women and men of Moshupa- re tshwanetseng go di lebelela re bone gore at the Manyana Constituency, multitudes of democrats who district or village level, re thusa jang bodiredi jwa rona have entrusted their fragile and needy livelihoods in go ba rotloetsa gore this concept of operating as one my youthful hands; the people whom with fierce and Government, re tle re kgone gore re e diragatse. sharpened hearts have put their trust in me. It is also worth of note Mr Speaker, that I stand on behalf of the Jaaka ke setse ke supile Mr Speaker, ke lebogetse President who has trusted me to fill in the size of his mafoko a ga Motlotlegi Tautona. O re lekoditsitse seemo shoes and to also represent his interests and wishes as a sa setšhaba, o re file sebaka sa gore le rona re lekodise Mokgatla wa ga Moshupa kwa ga-Sau. ka dikgaolo tsa rona le gore re lebelele his presentation I wish to extend my heartfelt warmest gratitude to all of and say what can come out of this presentation for the you Members of Parliament, the Clerk of the National benefit of my people. Ke dumela gore Tautona o dirile Assembly and her staff for welcoming me into this jalo, mo go setseng, go saletse rona le badiredi ba House. The guidance, warmth and love; legale lerato rona mo dikgaolong ka go farologana go bona gore we le le siameng fela. The love you showered me with implement proposals as presented by His Excellency. is immeasurable. I learn through your wisdom daily. Thank you so much. Ke re ka gore ke itse re eletsa gore re utlwe Motlotlegi Gare a bua Mr Speaker, responding to the State of the Mr Speaker, I would now like to render my response to Nation Address (SONA) for the first time, ke eme gone the recently read SONA by his Excellency the President, foo, ke go leboge Mr Speaker. but I would like to start with women empowerment. Mr Speaker, it is with utmost pain and regret that we MR SPEAKER: Honourable Gare, ke wena fela o continue to lose our sisters, mothers and children emeng. through gruesome murders at the hands of the people MR GARE (MOSHUPA-MANYANA): Thank you who are supposed to love and protect them. Women are Mr Speaker. Go raya gore ba a dumalana gore ba too scared to walk alone even in broad daylight in fear tshwanetse gore ba nkutlwe ke bua. Let me thank you Mr of rape, assault or if not, verbal abuse. Our women and Speaker. It is quite a privilege and yet a proud moment children perish on a daily basis at the hands of the boy for me to stand before this August House for my first child. Perhaps Mr Speaker, it is time we not only talk, ever SONA response, notwithstanding Mr Speaker, looking into the girl child as a fragile and endangered several other responses of course that reiterated our past, species but also include the boy child in teaching them not deliberate, but circumstantial failures. Allow me Mr the most upright, morally accepted and lawful ways of Speaker, to momentarily borrow a quote from Barrack coexisting with their female counterparts. Mr Speaker, Obama that says, “you cannot let your failures define the boy child has been left out in terms of emotional you; you have to let failures teach you.” Mr Speaker, training stemming from our saying that, “monna ga a

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lele,” thus making our boy child to bottle their feelings, they will choose. It will also support the gender equality lack of emotional expression and end up killing their through their marketing campaigns, recruitment loved ones over issues that would have been sought programmes, mentoring programmes and revised through emotional and verbal expression. Still on that policies. Two key programmes have been launched note, our women and girl child need to be empowered through United Nations (UN) Women; one that supports to be independent. science subjects, schools and a capacity building programme to support over 1,250 women micro- MINISTER OF NATIONALITY, IMMIGRATION entrepreneurs in Botswana, Namibia and South Africa. AND GENDER AFFAIRS (MS MAKGATO): On a They have also created gender sensitive marketing and point of elucidation. Thank you Mr Speaker, thank you guidelines training and launched two major marketing colleague. Ka mafoko a mangwe wa re, lona borre ba campaigns. One that recognises and celebrates strong le leng fano le ba ba seong fano ba le nang le bana ba and inspiring women. Mr Speaker, I must admit that it basimanyana ba ba nnyenyane, le tshwanetse le ba rute is a milestone worth celebrating, especially as it aims at gore monna o a lela, o a bokolela gore ba kgone gore women economic empowerment. ba ntshe maikutlo. It is okay to cry as a man, and I am saying this and I am glad that you are raising this today On education Mr Speaker, I wish to commend the when it is an International Day of Men where we want to Government of the day for offering the best of free highlight borre ba bantsi ntsi ba e leng gore ke sekao. We and accessible education from pre-primary school to have just come from Gantsi le Motlotlegi Rre Salakae university level, which majority of us here are products re bua ka borre ba re batlang gore ba nne positive role of. Introduction of pre-primary education in public models ba kgone gore ba godise bana ba bone sentle schools is a good initiative whose fruits are absolutely gore re tle re tswe mo dikganyeng tse o di buang. worth noting and makes it easier for teachers when they deal with kids who are not a complete “tabula rasa”. MR GARE: Thank you Honourable Minister. Go ntse This gives all children an equal opportunity to pre- fela jalo mmaetsho. Still on that note, our women and learn concepts and hopefully step into the first year of girl child need to be empowered to be independent, and primary school with confidence and much more zeal to not only rely on the opposite sex for support whatsoever. learn. We have built schools even in the remotest areas Many a times, our sisters and mothers suffer abuse at the to ensure education for all. Where schools are a bit far, hands of men because they are afraid to voice out their students access boarding facilities and are ferried to and source of food, shelter and clothes for their children. from school. Government has ensured that no student Empowering women will help them recover some sort goes to school with any lacks, hence orphans and those of independence and pick up some abusive traits and who lack are provided with uniform and toiletry so that learn to say it is enough. Women empowerment in their dignity is restored, and they attend classes without Botswana is quite satisfactory; more women are leaders feeling any different or less. Students get to choose and play significant roles as Chief Executive Officers subjects from junior school, thus preparing their careers (CEOs), Directors, and even as Ministers. Women are ahead of them. encouraged to start businesses and we see an emergence of many successful women-led businesses. Government Mr Speaker, as much as we applaud our free education has commendable initiatives that fund these businesses and all the efforts done so far, there is a whole lot that and Women in Business Association (WIBA) is also needs to be done in restoring education system and doing tremendously well in nurturing women-led making it an envy for all. Our teachers are demotivated businesses and training women entrepreneurs. We and do not seem to produce the same results that they celebrate success of our women through many initiatives did when we were still young. In my constituency for that are pioneered and powered by the Government of example, teachers work under duress and their wellbeing the day. is in dire need of attention. Families share a two bed- At the just ended Diamond Conference and Women roomed house, and they have access to one bathroom, Summit, Executive Head of Human Resources (HR) one toilet and one kitchen. This is a health hazard and at De Beers Group, Mrs Cormack, highlighted the role has possibilities of causing misunderstanding between De Beers will play in investing USD$3 million in three housemates. I have heard of incidents where housemates years to support relevant girls in the countries which have fought over food…

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MR SPEAKER: Honourable Arone; quorum. Sorry for teaching aides and some do not have teachers, yet we that Honourable Gare, tswelela. have many trained jobless teachers roaming the streets.

MR GARE: I have heard of incidents where Our children use hazardous pit latrines and their menu housemates have fought over food and went to an extent at school is compromised. The libraries in schools are of not talking to one another. Teachers need proper not well-stocked and internet is scarce in our schools, houses for them to perform well and feel honoured in regardless of the fact that E-learning is a trend that their noble profession and for them to deliver the best allows for research and data collection for our students quality results. Mr Speaker, automatic succession from and teachers. The teacher/student ratio does not allow Standard 7 to Junior schools poses a lot of threat in the a teacher to interact with students, mark their work and livelihoods of our children. What do we expect of a child return feedback on time. It becomes close to difficult who goes to Form 1 with a series of Ds? What do you if not impossible for a teacher to teach 45 students and expect of children who go to school to learn how to read give them each undivided attention in a lesson of 40 and write yet they are extremely talented in painting and minutes. The ratio needs to balance such that a teacher drawing, which we do not nurture at grass root level? is able to produce desirable results. What about those talented in sports, arts and handwork For as long as we have these trends in our schools and whose talents have not been nurtured from grass root we have many teachers out there jobless... level? What do we expect to become of children who go to school to learn and write and yet their talent is in MR SPEAKER: Honourable Gare, ema jalo pele. swimming, football, netball or tennis? Sad enough, our Honourable Tshireletso, Honourable Goya and Honourable Makgalemele selo se le se dirang foo le a schools do not even have such facilities to mould and itse fela gore ga se letlelesege. nurture those talents? HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)… MR KESUPILE: On a point of clarification, Mr Speaker. Ke a leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa HONOURABLE MEMBER: A ko o lebelele se ba se Palamente. Ke go botse potso motlotlegi jaaka ke bona lebileng. o tshwere kgang ya gago ka botswerere, e bile gape o ne o lebogela sebaka sa go ka bua gore le rona re go fe MR SPEAKER: Ga ke tlhokane le go itse gore le sebaka sa go araba dipotso tse di tswang mo go rona. A lebeletse eng, mme ga go letlelesege go dira jaaka le wena mo dikoleng tsa kgaolo ya gago, a o na le bana ba dira, le kgoreletsa yo mongwe o a bua. ba mo go Form 1 le Form 2 ba ba sa itseng go bala le go MR GARE: Ga ba nkutlwe. For as long as we have these kwala jaaka mo dikgaolong tse dingwe? trends in our schools, we cannot expect to achieve good MR GARE: Thank you Honourable Member. We are in results. I believe a look at an overall and restructuring an Honourable House and I would not want to lie. Fa e for our education, will help us yield better and palatable le gore go teng mo go ntseng jalo, it is something that results. I am not aware of. We have many great talents in those Furthermore, we continue to accredit learning institutions children, but we are not doing enough for them to express that produce graduates who fail to get jobs. In some their talents and make a living out of them. Our education instances, the same institutions are said to be offering system focuses on the cognitive and totally disregards flimsy qualifications of not so good quality. What are others which are treated as extra mural activities. The we saying about that? Our high institutions of learning teachers who train them do not even extensively study are reported by the students not to be in good shape. The special needs to an extent that they can deal with such recent strike by Botswana University of Agriculture and children. Special Education Needs is a support subject Natural Resources (BUAN) students said a mouthful, that supports the major and minor subjects studied. It and indeed their facilities were not up to date. If it is not would be beneficial to make a fully-fledged course that that, it is the menu, slow internet services or unreliable equips those teachers with knowledge to deal with such allowance which all the students depend on to buy special children accordingly and make referrals. We still toiletry and books. We must be consistent in ensuring have instances where our children study from under learning facilities across board. However, even among trees, and when they are fortunate enough, they study such adversity, we applaud the interventions that always under falling ceilings without chairs and desks, without harmonise the situation and normalise life.

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Mr Speaker, with regard to health, Botswana has in Children die from diarrhea, a sign that we need to many occasions being used as an example of great reinforce our health system to avoid child mortality. health care ranging from; maternity, oral care, malaria, tuberculosis and the fight against HIV/AIDS, which The Renal Department is currently in an appalling state, recently introduced the Treat All Programme. with absolutely no facilities in our major hospitals. Renal treatment is only available in Gaborone, We applaud the Ministry of Health and Wellness in Francistown and Palapye, then we do not know what teaching people on the benefit of using antibiotic we are going to do about patients in Gantsi, Maun and and dangers associated with antibiotic resistance. Shakawe. Why can we not find means to take services We stand a proud nation for having tirelessly fought nearer to these people? Government must, as a matter HIV, the introduction of Preventing Mother-to-Child of urgency, consider one or two dialysis machines and Transmission (PMTCT) which has seen thousands train personnel at these hospitals to save patients from of babies delivered free of HIV, free health care and disbursement of Anti-Retro Viral (ARV) at no cost at travelling long distances. all. Mothers are given formula for their children with supplements of porridge, beans and cooking oil. The Oncology Centre is currently in critical need for overhauling staffing. Patients lay there desperately to Mr Speaker, our Government continues to come up with be transferred to private hospitals for further attention interventions. However, our health system seems to and expertise, which we do not have while too much be deteriorating and regressing. We face challenges of red tape exposes their ailing health to premature death. different infections and diseases on a daily basis. The There is a need to expand our referral hospital and equip emergency services at our main referral hospitals take a it with doctors, nurses, pharmacists, medication and while to help patients, worsening their condition instead relevant machinery that will provide top notch health of giving prolonged life. The queues in our hospitals are a cause of concern, patients queue for hours just to be solutions. Having set up a medical school locally, there attended by a doctor, while the waiting lists for patients is no doubt that we can cease outsourcing medical is overwhelming and in some unfortunate incidents, attention and rely on our own people to provide simple patients die while they are waiting the date to be seen to complex medical solutions. We can also effectively by the doctor. cease taking patients outside the country to private The great nation we are, is surely capable of preserving hospitals for further medical attention, and thus saving lives, making it easier for patients to access doctors and the Government millions of Pulas. medication. Our hospitals are overcrowded, unequipped If we have stopped up importing teachers, so we can and understaffed, making it even harder for patients to stop importing medical expertise towards Vision 2036 be attended on time. At times patients sleep on the floors and be self-reliant. The quality of our health care must in excruciating pain yet without choice or any better improve to match the modern day standards and medical refuge for comforting their ailing spirits. needs of our patients. Currently private hospitals and Many of the doctors who schooled abroad seem not to clinics are preferred as compared to our free health care, have the zeal to come back and work here due to bad only due to our inconsistencies, which of course can be working conditions, which include low remuneration worked on. and unfavorable doctor-patient ratio. We have had to import a lot of doctors from other countries yet, we have I want to make a comment on the water situation. Mr our own. Hospitals and clinics still run out of medication Speaker, we are drowning in lack of water in the southern whereas the Central Medical Stores CMS) has at some part of this country. My constituents are thirstier than point dispatched expired drugs worth millions of tax the desert camels despite all the promises made of water payers’ money. delivery. In the worst case scenario, we have had taps being corroded by rust due to lack of running water in a There is need to be systematic in our health system period of over four years. Have we… to save and prolong lives. While we have managed to provide ARV treatment for all and introduced the MR MOLEBATSI: On a point of clarification. Ke a Treat All Programme, we cannot afford to lack helping leboga Motsamaisa Dipuisanyo tsa Palamente. Ke a patients due to inefficiency, shortage of staff, equipment leboga mokaulengwe. O e tshwere sentle. Jaanong ke re and medication. gone foo go ntse go sena metsi, a batho ga ba duedisiwe

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go tlhoka metsi, ka gore batho ba a lela Botswana jotlhe MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: Nna ke bua Selete, go gore ga re na metsi, mme re duela bills tse di makatsang? siame ke utlwile Mr Speaker. Ke raya gore o e gatelele Ke re o kgabole foo mokaulengwe. thata rraetsho, e nne tsela e re buang ka yone. E tlaabo e thusa Batswana botlhe le the business people ba ba MR GARE: Thank you honourable. Mr Speaker, ke tlaabong ba e dirisa go ya Jwaneng. Tanki rraetsho. akanya gore go ne go ka nna molemo fa ke ne ke bereka kwa Water Utilities Corporation (WUC) because the MR GARE: Thank you Mr Speaker. Go boammaaruri question I posed to them ke ya gore metsi a kwa kae, re tlhoka ‘excess’ road Rre Mokgware…(laughter)… as for gore a go na le any outstanding charges paid or Fa re na le that access road, it will help us go fokotsa expected from banwi ba metsi ga se selo se ke ka se congestion mo Gaborone and make the outskirts rurifatsang seo. attractable.

Have we been proactive in the assessment of water Mr Speaker, if you look at Manyana-Naledi road, trucks boreholes, we would have never had to go through this may stop going through Lobatse on their way to Jwaneng excruciating catastrophe, the people of Moshupa and but rather go through Moshupa. This will significantly Manyana are stern democrats who have for several years provide business opportunities for my constituency and believed in this Government and have never doubted it there will be an open idea for petrol filling stations and at all. roadside eateries, small airtime and sweets businesses.

All they ask for is water to quench their dry thirst and On the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs); Mr go about normally with their household chores. Ke kopa Speaker, I would like to believe that the roadmap metsi Mr Speaker. launched in February 2018, has crystal clear indications that will drive sustainability through the various Now a comment on the condition of roads; Mr Speaker, platforms indicated. I would also like to believe that our roads are inadequate with signs of negligence. this is a great opportunity for young entrepreneurs to The Mmankgodi-Manyana road for example, is in a grow and harness on small-medium businesses in the critical need of repair. Roads are essential for economic form of manufacturing, arts, tourism, accommodation; competences and enhancements among our villages. If bed and breakfast. As we sell our culture abroad like we you look at Manyana-Naledi road, trucks may stop going do through Broadway, it is essential to ensure that the through Lobatse on their way to Jwaneng but rather artists benefit directly. There is also so much that our go through Moshupa. Significantly this is a business locals can benefit from in the tourism industry, given a opportunity for my constituency as they will … chance. There could be guides on tourist destinations, MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: On a point of clarification. own car rentals, sell artefacts and be translators for Thank you very much. I am supporting this Member tourists. Localising tourism is a way of directly ensuring of Parliament because the road he is talking about is locals benefit from tourism as well. Our youth can also the one which me and Honourable Mabeo talked about benefit in turning their masimo into tourist areas that for very long time. We said we need an excess road provide accommodation, entertainment and food for from Gaborone going through Mmokolodi, Tloaneng, tourists. Mmankgodi and Manyana joining that because this In the arts industry; I am made to understand that the other one is going to be a dual road. I think what you South African Idols Programme has received 110 are saying, follows all what we have been arguing nna million Short Message Service (SMSs) votes that cost le Rre Mabeo. Jaanong ke kopa gore o eme ka dinao R1.50 each. You can imagine how much that is. Imagine le wena kgang e, o e tsenye ka gore ke excess road e e if we could do that on our own My Star Show or any tswang fela mo … other talent based show. That will be massive for our HONOURABLE MEMBER: …(Inaudible)… beneficiaries in growing and nurturing their talent and also ensuring that the prices won are worth their talent MAJ. GEN. MOKGWARE: It does not matter, o itse and the time they spend auditioning. Sekgoa o ne o se tsaya kae wena. Now on unemployment Mr Speaker; it is evident and MR SPEAKER: Honourable Mokgware, amogela quite heart-wrenching that unemployment is a sore spot, kgakololo, ke access road. a faceless monster that devours and overwhelms our

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youth and for ever praise the minds of the leadership. MR GARE: I believe so. Maybe in the interest of time, Desolating as it is, I believe the National Employment I would not like to dwell on it but I think we need to do Policy of Botswana will amicably and satisfactorily something about the informal sector. address this preying monster that has our youth engrossed in criminal activities, drugs and substance Now on entrepreneurship development; Mr Speaker, it abuse and many other unbecoming social ills in a bid to is worth an applause for the great gesture that Citizen relief frustration attracted by unemployment. Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA) has extended towards developing local entrepreneurs With many graduates from our tertiary institutions and ensuring that their businesses generate profits. and many other colleges, some of them have resolved The creation of 392 jobs is indeed a milestone worth to Ipelegeng Programme in order to survive. It is sad a glimpse. Many lucrative businesses are funded by that even when people are involved Mr Speaker, their CEDA and continue to flourish and create employment income is only enough to pay rentals, utilities and buy opportunities for fellow Batswana. However, funding food without a thebe going into their savings. On its through CEDA has in the past and present been own, it may be seen as a slavery on the people who marked with hiccups to beneficiaries who have labour hard without news to write home about. It is even continuously complained of the timeframe for funding more gruesome when us legislatures are employers who if not the reduced budget. Beneficiaries have shown dismally fail to pay our employees and yet we are seen disgruntlement of insufficient budget which potentially driving luxurious cars, eating and dressing as we want, expose both CEDA and the businesses to risk. while our employees go unpaid for months and even fear taking action against us. We are the hope of the people In some instances, CEDA has suffered impairment costs and when we abuse them and take them for granted, due to failure to repay loans by beneficiaries. In my we take the last thing left. They must have dignity. We view, this can be avoided by sticking to the proposed really need to double or triple our efforts on this to give budget to allow businesses to maximise in the profits our people sustainable jobs. and do not run on the shortfalls which later lead to losses and irrecoverable debts. On financial inclusion Mr Speaker, I wish you could take into consideration our daily street vendors in the We can also setup an Adjudication Committee or a board form of bommaseapei, bommaquick recharge and those that comprises of specialists who their sole duty would who sell us water and ice pop, not forgetting the guys be to adjudicate projects and ensure funds disseminate in the parking spaces who clean our windscreens, shine within the shortest time possible. Currently, the trend our wheels and look after our cars while we shop or for loan benefactors is such that one produces security attend to meetings. These people have families and to access loan. In my view there are a lot of lucrative dependents who look up to them for their daily needs. potential businesses lying in computers and envelopes, What interventions and strategies do we have for them but in lack of such security. This is frustrating for to sustain and grow their businesses? graduates, a potential business owner, employer and massive contributor to the GDP. Perhaps 20 per cent of We must not take it for granted the imperative yet often Citizen Entrepreneurial Development Agency (CEDA) forgotten or under-look role that they play in the day- budget must be given to proposals that are bankable and to-day running of our economy. These small businesses have great economic input. In that way, CEDA could need inclusion in terms of accessing financial help open doors for business graduates and other potential without anything that fails them to grow their businesses entrepreneurs to contribute positively to the Gross and provide for their families. Domestic Product (GDP).

HIS HONOUR THE VICE PRESIDENT (MR Now on agriculture Mr Speaker, despite Botswana TSOGWANE): On a point of clarification. Thank being a desert climate, Botswana continues to plough you Honourable Member of Parliament for Moshupa- and rear livestock for food and survival. An ongoing Manyana. I think you are being baptised with fire. What consultation reveal that agriculture is the next biggest you are actually saying in terms of the small businesses economic generator after diamonds. Climate change you have been making reference to, we need to do has an undesirable effect on our people who gradually something about the informal sector and try to grow it, lose interest in arable farming. Apart from that, town is that what I hear you to be saying? migration has also had its impact, this has affected food

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production and also possibly increasing the number of effectively means, it is not alleged, batho ba ba neng ba hungry people to depend on Government food rations. romilwe gore ba ye go tlhokomela dinku ba jele dinku. In my view, we can encourage farmers to continue with That is what he is saying. the trend of farming and also sell their produce to other locals in need. After all, we have many crops that are MR SPEAKER: Nnyaa, mme ke ne ke mo reeditse resistant to scorch heat. le nna Honourable Makgato, ke ne ke utlwa gore o dirisa puo eo ya gagwe go supa se a ngongoregang ka We should also continue to acquire technology, to sone. Honourable Gare, tsamaiso ya rona ke gore, fa modernise it, and make it appealing to the youth and the o sena bosupi jwa selo, wa re o a belaela gore o intshe old. We can also strengthen programmes that enhance mo dilong. Fa o bua o papamatsa, jaanong ba tloga ba and support farming through Youth Development batla bosupi. Baakanya statement sa gago Motlotlegi o Fund (YDF) and Integrated Support Programme for tswelele pele. Arable Agricultural Development (ISPAAD). A number of youth has shown interest by applying for farm MR GARE: Nnyaa, ke tlaa se baakanya mongwame, related projects in the form of poultry and small stock mme kana fa ke re badisa, ke raya rotlhe fela. production, and many are making a living out of this. MR SPEAKER: Ke raya botlhe, ba tloga ba go Mr Speaker, on corruption, the Directorate on kgomogela. Corruption and Economic Crime (DCEC), Botswana HONOURABLE MEMBERS: …(Murmurs)... Unified Revenue Service (BURS) and Ombudsman have worked tirelessly in fighting corruption and MR GARE: Ee, ke tlaa baakanya. managing public resources. The declaration of assets is MR SPEAKER: Honourable Gare, Order! hoped to surely fight this monster through transparency and accountability. Corruption has been a daily talk in MR GARE: Le fa go ntse jalo Mr Speaker… our country where some of us leaders, the shepherd of the flock has turned into a heartless lion, devouring the MR SPEAKER: Order! Honourable Gare, kamoso fa flock that we are in charge of. One would ask why is re simolola tiro fela, o bo o baakanya ba ise ba go batle it always the senior members of Government linked to bosupi jwa gore ke nnete dinku tsotlhe di jelwe. Order! corruption and embezzling of Pulas when the people Honourable Members, Order! who sent them with trust are in heart-breaking starvation MOTION and poverty. ADJOURNMENT We leaders are not immune to the justice system, and if suspected or involved in any corrupt practices, we LEADER OF THE HOUSE (MR TSOGWANE): Ke must face the wrath of the law. Our country cannot be a leboga. Mma ke tseye sebakanyana se ke gakolole fela led by people who continue to harvest its fruits without gore, nnyaa, mme mokaulengwe ga a phoso, kana fa o le direction and loot without shame and fear. We need to mosha o bo o tsewa o bewa ka kwa, e le la ntlha o tsena tighten the…. mo Palamenteng, tota ga o kgone go bona pharologanyo. On that note, I move that this House do now adjourn. MS MAKGATO: Procedure. Thank you Mr Speaker. I am a little bit worried about the language that is being Question put and agreed to. used, gotwe those that are shepherds who are leading the flock now ke bone ba e leng gore ba jele madi a The Assembly accordingly adjourned at 6:00 p.m. until setšhaba, ba jele tsone dinku tse ba neng ba di neetswe, Wednesday 21st November, 2018 at 2:00 p.m. until… HONOURABLE MEMBER: Tlogela ngwana a bue.

MS MAKGATO: Nnyaa, lesang go raela yo mongwe. When something is alleged and it has not been proved, it remains alleged, and therefore, you cannot when it is alleged, say it is being done. So, ke ne ke kopa gore a baakanye mafoko a gagwe ka gore mafoko a gagwe

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ANNEX I

A LIST OF THE NAMES OF YOUTH COMPANIES THAT MET THE REQUIREMENTS AND BENEFITED AS WELL AS THOSE THAT FAILED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS

Names of Youth Companies that Met the Names of Youth Companies That Failed Organisation Requirements and Benefited to Meet the Requirements Media Republic, Evolutionary Clothing, Social 1. Botswana Light, Azzont Holdings, Pandora’s Picnic, No youth companies failed to meet the Stock Twistn Shake, Kitchen Poetry, Colo Tlong, Alpha requirements. Exchange Events, Kavado Cleaning, Braveheart, Voodooo Advertising, Intra-Net, and Loyal Restaurant. MSD Mesotlo and Associates, Drumbeat, Storms Roadshow, Vodoo, Inflate Botswana, Maitiro Investments, More Signs (Pty) Ltd, Essential Security Services, Image Lounge, White Ribbon 2. Non-Bank Events, Twist& Shake, Red Pepper, Platinum Financial Franchise, Shirley Food Service, Mindhatch, NBFIRA does not keep information on Institutions Thuso Hold Botswana (Pty) Ltd, Cally Clothing youth companies that failed to meet the Regulatory (Pty) Ltd, Dezyn Street (Pty) Ltd, Dialogue requirements. Authority Group, Rachet Srcapes Investments (Pty) Ltd, Country Choice Group (Pty) Ltd, Good Path (Pty) Ltd, Cast Stone Development (Pty) Ltd, Media Culture, Club Media.

Elath Investments, Chod Invstments, KA61 Holdings, Quadratic Freight, Malmega Projects, Smartworks (Pty) Ltd, Gladioius Projects (Pty) Ltd, M - Code Investments, Malmega Projects, Albero Investments, Red Rhino Projects, Chod Investments, Trown Holdings, Overight (Pty) Ltd, Singer Joiner & Job Frokane Investments, Young Legends, Moonkells Fitters, Elath Investments, T. K Urbanise, 3. Botswana Solutions, MB Industries, Double Lined, KRTB First Point Group, Platoa Holdings, Rex Unified Holdings, Multi Collection, Elath Investments, Tech Investments, Warm Hole projects, Revenue Chod Investments, Waltech Construction. Gofasejana Investments, Grey Con Services Investments, Ndali & Boni Investments, Passion Founders, Dual Construction & Plant Hire, Ditabololo Investment, Broadi IQ, Majola Leatile Lux, Tukgo, Rise for Rose, Elath Investments, Alinomo Holdings, Willrise Properties, First Point, Barongwa Investments, Netro- Meg, Napho (Pty) Ltd, Fountain Civil Ventures, Medkal Investments,

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Folks Enterprises, Rayed Technologies, Icon Ridge Construction, Bokwa Enterprises, Magic Mile Group, Cloud Point, Wilkins Investment, Grand Drift, Exploro Tech, Style Note Tech, Enyants Solutions, Three Pin Solutions, Mabiletsa Supplier, Carera Holfings, Provide Longer & Faster, Young Legends Holdings, Elite Stones, Trum-Holdings, Teflon Investments, Crosquare, Just & Sea, Gladious Projects, Defined Logistics, TK Ubanize, Irah Investments, Outserve Group, Quadratic Freight, FD Holding, Prof Rapodi Enterprises, Phenda Investment, Marcus Holdings, Malmega Projects, Smart Worx, Stacey Sisters, Elath Investments, Waltech Construction, Hero Star, Macdiaz Building Specialist.

Redsanton (Pty) Ltd, Spicy Jam (Pty) Ltd, Double 4. National Copkel Enterprises, Sidlodge Cleaning, Axeldm, Peace-Pro (Pty) Ltd, Merlot Wealth Development Green Flap, Ecdiwa, Mapriko (Pty) Ltd, Trudoh Cleaning Service, Fakuto Bank Investments. Investment, Dot it. Tersara Investments, Uniaqua, Supermoon Statistics Botswana does not keep 5. Statistics Cleaners, Yadah Cleaning Service, Moanamise information on youth companies that Botswana Machola, Red Pear, Motem Holdings, Delta failed to meet the requirements. Pyramid (Pty) Ltd. 6. Botswana Performance Civil Works, Utopia Twice View Investments, Laydown Holdings, Accountancy Business Solution, Floric Ven Holdings, Morasho Investments, Maru Vision, Mos Edek Oversight GNS (Pty) Ltd, Brand Alert, The Graphix Holdings, Bulala Food Catering. Authority Joint. Paul Dayz Productions (Pty) Ltd, Letlhabile Corporate (Pty) Ltd, High Definition Media (Pty) Ltd, The White Sounds (Pty) Ltd, Ngwana Enterprises (Pty) Ltd, Visual Expression in Association with Ditiragalo Media (Pty) Ltd, Incepta Communications (Pty) Ltd, Leanon Media Communications (Pty) Ltd, Time WindRush Communications (Pty) Ltd, Catch (Pty) Ltd, Voodoo Advertising (Pty) Ltd, 3D Entertainment (Pty) Ltd, Events Lab 7. Motor Provision Media (Pty) Ltd, Oneline (Pty) Ltd, (Pty) Ltd, Visual Embrace (Pty) Ltd, Vehicle Baboneng Film Production (Pty) Ltd, Fluid Meritwood Investments (Pty) Ltd, People Accident Fund Consultancy (Pty) Ltd, Dios Media Production Blue (Pty) Ltd, Exposure Creations (Pty) (Pty) Ltd, Alkenes (Pty) Ltd, Creative Cactus Ltd. (Pty) Ltd, Studio 24 (Pty) Ltd, Extra Move Enterprises (Pty) Ltd, Bright Vision (Pty) Ltd, The Works MMI, Footprints Advertising, Exposure Creations, People Blue (Pty) Ltd.

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Secure Holdings, Lohcan Investements, Air Cooling Technologies, Chama Investments Batobele Investments Pty Ltd, Double (Pty) Ltd, Reatmasea Investment (PTY) LTD, lined Pty Ltd, Makokwane Holdings, Natural Hands (Pty)Ltd, Stwalo’s Place, Best Devine Truth Pty Ltd, Ornate Enterprises, Field, Berry Star (PTY) LTD T/A Erbarmin Teamwork Cash Investment, Cognitive 8. Public Prints, Tiboss Agency (Pty) Ltd, Programatic Gax Pty Ltd, Accad Technologies, Boflett Procurement Solutions (Pty) Ltd, Tersara Investment Pty Ltd, Supplies Pty Ltd, Moon Team Holdings and Asset Berry Star (PTY) LTD T/A Erbarmin Prints, Pty Ltd, Honey Flow Investments Disposal Board Lohcan Investements, AVESCO, Miracle Queens (Proprietary) Limited, Upright World Pty Investments (PTY) LTD, Anabyte Investments Ltd, Khunzi Holdings, Tiboss Agencies, (PTY) LTD, Revoc Admira Group, Gomz Mots Avesco Investment, Baz Investment, (Pty) Ltd, iPerceptions Solutions Group (Pty) Signarite Investment. LTD, Frokane Investments.

ANNEX II

THE LOWEST AND HIGHEST AMOUNTS AWARDED FOR THE TENDERS

Lowest Amount Highest Amount Awarded Organisation Awarded 1. Botswana Stock Exchange P500 P20, 000 (Micro Procurement) 2. Non-Bank Financial Institutions P315.00 P250, 799.14 (Micro Procurement) Regulatory Authority 3. Botswana Unified Revenue Services P522,513.60 P4,513,557.16 (Price Preference) P256,850.10 (Micro Procurement) 4. National Development Bank P56,664.00

P105,152.00 P117,658.88 (Micro Procurement and Price 5. Statistics Botswana Preference) 6. Botswana Accountancy Oversight P1, 245.00 P50, 712.00 (Micro Procurement) Authority 7. Motor Vehicle Accident Fund P100, 000.00 P2, 674, 100.00 (Price Preference) 8. Public Procurement and Asset P650.00 P166, 410.00 (Micro Procurement) Disposal Board

Hansard No 192 39 HANSARD RECORDERS Mr. T. Gaodumelwe, Mr T. Monakwe, Ms T. Kebonang HANSARD REPORTERS Ms T. Rantsebele, Mr M. Buti, Ms Z. Molemi, Mr J. Samunzala, Ms N. Selebogo, Ms A. Ramadi, Ms D. Thibedi, Ms G. Baotsi, Ms N. Mokoka

HANSARD EDITORS Ms K. Nyanga, Ms C. Chonga, Mr K. Goeme, Ms G. Phatedi, Ms B. Malokwane, Mr A. Mokopakgosi, Ms O. Nkatswe, Ms G. Lekopanye, Ms T. Mokhure, Ms B. Ratshipa

LAYOUT DESIGNERS Mr B. B. Khumanego, Mr D. T. Batshegi, Mr K. Rebaisakae

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