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187 Business of the House JULY 12, 1991 Gious Shrines and Places Of 187 Business of the House JU LY 12, 1991 Res.re status quo ofrelU 188 gious shrines and places o f worship etc. {Sh. Ebrahim Sulaiman Sait] 15.29 his. [Translation] lEng/uh] -------''H I - We shall construct the temple at that very spot. RE. STEPm p m fAINING [English] STATUS QUO OF REUGIQUSJgfcM SHRINES AND PLACES OF WOR-^ So, that is the difference that SHIP AS THEY EXISTED ON 15TH Mr. Vajpayee had at that time. AUGUST, 1947 So, he always takes a constructive at- titude. We are prepared to accept MR. CHAIRMAN: Hon. Members, Shri Vajpayee totally. Shri Jaswant now, we proceed with the Private Singh had also said this. I have seen Members Business. Before we take him in close quarters in the last Lok up the Resolution of Shri Zainal Abe- Sabha also. I know he is a person of din for discussion, we have to fix the broad mind. You must understand this. time for this Resolution. When such people are there in the A time of two hours has been sug- B.J.P., I do not think why we must gested. If that is acceptable to all the not adopt an optimistic attitude. We hon. Members, then we can proceed can sit together and solve the pro- further. blems. And if the Government also joins us, then we will have better days [Translation] in future. SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA Therefore—now it is going to strike (South Delhi): Mr. Chairman, Sir, this 3.30 P.M.—I will adjourn myself to is not an ordinary matter, its implica- continue my speech on Monday. tions are wide spread. Therefore, time limit for discussion on this item should MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Sait, you be extended. are on your feet and when the dis- cussion on the Confidence Motion is MR. CHAIRMAN: Initially two resumed on Monday, you will get the hours can be fixed for the discussion. ball rolling to start. Time limit can be further extended, if the hon. Members so desire. 15.28 his. SHRI LAL K. ADVANI (Gandhi- nagar): This is such an issue, that BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE if discussion on it is restricted to two [English] hours. MR. CHAIRMAN: Hon. Members, [English] I have to inform the House that in the meeting with the Leaders of Par- It would have a wrong message, ties and Groups in Lok Sabha which a wrong signal altogether. It is a mat- the Speaker had taken on the 11th of ter which has been debated and dis- July, 1991, it was decided that in order cussed in the whole country. We have to facilitate early discussion of finan- seen Bills being discussed on non- cial and other business, sitting of the official days for months together. Not House fixed for Monday, the 22nd a single Resolution has ever been July, 1991 might be cancelled and completed in one day; never. It is in lieu thereof, the House might sit always spilled over to the next day. on Saturday, the 20th July, 1991. And today if we want to finish it in two hours, I would object to it. I I hope, it is all okay with the hon. would say that let every one express Members. his view points; so long as they are relevant to the point, let the debate MANY HON. MEMBERS: Yes. go on. So, my plea is that there should MR. CHAIRMAN : So. we accept be no time limit; and those who want this. to participate in the debate, they can do so. 189 Res. re. status quo of ASADHA 21, 1913 (SAKA) and plates oj 190 religious shrines worship etc. MR. CHAIRMAN: If the hon. SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA: Members wish to extend the time of There should be some time limit fix- the sitting today, they can do so or ed if they wish they can spill it over to the next Friday. So, out of these SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS: No. two alternatives, whatever hon. Mem- bers want that should be done. SHRI CHANDRA JEET YADAV (Azamgarh): I think what the Leader SHRI RAM VILAS PASWAN of the Opposition wanted was that you (Rosera): The rule is that on one can fix the time limit for the speeches. Friday we discuss a Resolution and Also what he wanted was that there on the next Friday we discuss a Bill. should be a thorough discussion on this. This is a fact that this is a very SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA important issue. {Bankura): There cannot be an un- limited time. It may be extended half- MR. CHAIRMAN; The sense of an-hour more. So, we can finish it by the House appears to be that there 6 P.M. should be no time limit fixed. In that case, I would request the hon. Mem- [Translation] bers—because the maximum number SHRI LAL K. ADVANI: Mr. of hon. Members would like to speak— Chairman, Sir, many members of my that some time limit should be fixed party have given in writing to me, on individual members when they are and 1 have assured them that each speaking. one of them would get a chance to speak on it. There is no problem in SHRI BASU DEB ACHARIA: it. It has been the practice that no res- A time limit has to be fixed—three- triction of time is put on discussion on four hours non-official bills and resolutions be- cause two or two and a half hours are MR. CHAIRMAN: I request Shri not sufficient for them. If time limit Zainal Abed in to move his Resolu- is fixed to complete it. it won’t be jus- \ a o - I i..-J " lined. SHBI 7.AINAI ABFD1N fJan.i- [English] pur): I beg to move: SHRI INDER JIT (Darjeeling): 1 “This House urges upon the Gov- think on this highly sensitive issue, we ernment to take early steps to should avoid fixing a time limit. peacefully settle the dispute re- garding the shrine at Ayodhya MR. CHAIRMAN: I believe there and to enact suitable legislation is a convention that even if a time limit for preserving and maintaining is fixed, then if the hon. Members so the status quo of all religious desire, that time limit can be further shrines and places of worship as extended. they existed on August 15, 1947.” [Translation] SHRI INDER JIT: I do think that an adequate opportunity should be SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA given to all sections of the House to (South Delhi): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I speak on this particular issue. It is am on a point of order. Sir the reso- highly sensitive and as the Leader of lution which is before the House says, the Opposition said, I think we should “This House urges upon the Govern- avoid sending out wrong signals. ment to take early steps to peacefully settle the dispute regarding the shrine MR. CHAIRMAN: In that case, at Ayodhya/’ I have given notice of I think the sense of the House is that an amendment. What I have read there should be no time limit fixed. just now should be substituted by “in 13 9 Tsrcwrvni If I Res. re. status quo of JULY 12,1991 and places o f w&rskip etc. 192 religmts shrmes [Sh. Madan Lai Khurana] judice? I would request your consi- addition to it administrative steps deration and that of the House be- should be taken, including the acqui- cause we are involved in a substan- sition of the land of the birth place tial issue here. of Lord Rama to construct a beauti- “It is the absolute privilege of the ful temple of Lord Rama, a symbol legislature and members thereof to of national culture and dignity, respec- discuss and deliberate upon all mat- ting the sentiments of people of ters pertaining to the governance of India.” the country and its people. Freedom Mt. Chairman, Sir, 1 received a tele- of speech on the floor of the House phone call at home yesterday from is the essence of Parliamentary your office saying that as the matter Democracy”. is sub judice your amendment cannot Further, if as the hon. Shri M. L. be accepted. Mr. Chairman, Sir, my Khurana has said, if it has been ruled submission is that this resolution is in all wisdom, by the Speaker, that the also about the shrine at Ayodhya... Motion is not sub judice, and if the [English] Motion is not sub judice, then an amendment to it which relates to it MR. CHAIRMAN. There is no substantially cannot be treated as sub point of order, when your amend- judice either. ment is rejected. Alternatively, if you from the Chair, [Translation] as now Shri Khurana mentioned that SHRI MADAN LAL KHURANA: he has given notice of an amendment Please listen to me first. My amend- if that were made as inadmissible, on ment has been rejected on the plea the ground that it i^ sub judice, then that the matter is sub judice, similarly that the main Motion which is under this resolution also falls under the consideration of the House is also out same category i.e. the matter is sub of order, because it is also sub judice. judice. If my amendment can be re- And here I refer you to page 947 of jected on the plea that the issue of Kaul and Shakdhar’s book. construction of temple is sub judice, then the matter regarding the shrine It says: at Ayodhya is also sub judice. There- “The rule whether a motion relates fore, how can this resolution be to a matter which is under adjudi- movied? As your office is saying that cation by a court of law should be this matter is sub judice.
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