htb Series, Vol. V!!. No.1 Tuesday, July 23, 1985 SravanB 1, 1907 (Saka)

LOK SABHA DEBA1L.. (English Version)

Third Session (Eighth Lok Sabba)

(Vol. VII contains Nos. 1 to 10)

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW Price: Rs. 4.00 [ORIGINAL ENGLISH PROCEEDINGS INClUDFD IN ENGLISh VEIlSION AND OR.IGINAL HINDI PllOcBEDINOS INDCLUDED IN HINDI VI1\SION WILL BB TUATID AS AUTHOlUTATIVE AND NOT THE TIlANSLAnON TJIIUOP.] CONTENTS

No.1, Tuelday, July 23, 1985/Sravana 1, 1907 (Saka)

CoLUMNS

Mcmberswom I Obituary References 1-7 Oral Answer to Questions

·Starred Questions Nos. 1 to 5 7-26 Written Answers to Questions:

Starred Questions Nos. 6 to 20 26-38

Unstarred Questions Nos. 1 to 10, 12 to 72, 38-230

74 to 159 and

161 to 214. Re : Adjournment Motion on Proclaiming Eemergency 231-253

Papers Laid on the Table 252-253 Statement Re : (i) Collision of 138 UP Amritsar-Bilaspu.r Chhatis­ garh Express with Down Tugblalcabad goods train at Raja-Ki­ Mandi station of Central Railway on 13.6.1985; and (ii) Collision of a private bus with a goods train at' a manned level crossing gate between Dr. Radhakrishnan Nagar and Morwani Stations of Western Railway on 16.6.1985

Shri Bansi Lal 253-256

~tatement Re: Crash of Air Jumbo Jet 'KANISHKA' on 23rd June, 1985

Shri Asbok Gehlot 256-258

The Sign+marked above the name of a Member indicates the Question was a«ually asked on the floor of the House b)' that Member. (U)

CoLUMNS

Statement Re : Report of rthe National Institute of Public Finance and Policy on "Aspects of black Economy in India" Shri Vish wanath Pratap Singh 258-259

Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance- 259-285 Armed clashes on Assam- border between Assam Police and NagaJand Police Shri Lalit Maken 259-260 263-268 Shri S.B. Chavan 260-263 268-274 276-278 282-285 Dr. A.K. Patel 271-272 Shri Satyendra Narayan Sinha 274-276 Shri Moh~. Mahfooz Ali Khan 278-280 Shri Zainul Basher 280-282

Criminal Law Amendment (Amending) Bill-Introduced 285 Matters Under Rule 377- 285-291 (i) Need for giving high priority to build housea in rural areas during Seventh Plan Prof. Nirmala Kumari Shaktawat 285-286 (ii) Effective steps reeded to remOVe unemployment in Delhi Shri Jai Prakash Agarwal 286 (iii) Demand for immediate steps for revival of closed juteu nits in Shri Priya Ranjan Das MuDsi . 286-281

(iv) Need to expedite the proposed T.V. Centre at Singrabli (M.P.) Shri Ram Pyare Panika 287-288

(v) Need to take Urgent steps for improving infrastructural faci­ lities to promote tourism at Konark, Puri etc. in Orissa. Shri Brajamohan Mohanti 288 (itl)

(vi) Need to give the status of Regional 01Jicc to Metcrologica1 Centre, Bhopal

Shri K.N. Pradhan 288-289

(vii) Measures needed to project and safeguard innoccut people of minority Commnunity in Gujart

Dr. G. Vijaya Rama Rao 289-290 (viii) Unsafe living in coal mine areas of Rani Ganj eoalfielda.

Shri Basudev Acharia 290-291 State Financial Corporations (Amendment) Bill 2'1-325 Motion to consider 332-344 Shri lanardhana Poojary 291-29. Shri C. Madhav Reddi 294-298

Dr. G.S. Rajhans 298-303

Shri Satyagopal Misra 303-305

Shri Mool Chand Daga 30S-308

Dr. Datta Samant 309-311

Shri Y.S. Mahajan 311-31S

Shri R. leevarathinam 315-317 Shrimati 317-319 Shri O.L. Dogra 319-321 Shrimati Basava Rajeswari 321-324 Shri G.M. Banatwalla 324-326 Shri Girdhari Lal Vyas 332-337

Shri C. Janla Reddy 338-340

Shri Harish Rawat 340-342 (Iv)

COLUMNS Shri P. Namgyal 342-344 Statement Re : Prime 's recent visits abroad 326-332 Shri

Business Advisory Committee 344 Eighth Report ALPHABETICAL LIST OF MEMBERS EIGHTH LOK SABHA

A Banerjee, Kumari Mamata (Jadavpur) Bansi Lal, Shri (Bhiwani) Abbasi, Shri K.J. (Domariaganj) Barman. Shri Palas (Balurghat) Abdul Gbafoor, Sllri (Siwan) Barrow, Shri A.E. T. (Nominated Anglo- Abdullah, Begum (Anantnag) Indian) Acbaria, Shri Rasudcb (Bunkura) Hasavaraju, Shri G.S. (Tumkur) Adaikalaraj, Shri L. (TiruchirappaIli) Basheer. Shri T. (ChirayinkiI) Adiyodi, Dr. K. G. (Cali cut) Basu, Shri Anil (Arambagh) Agarwal, Shri Jai Prakash (Chandni Chowk) Bbagat, Shri B.R. () Ahmad, Shri Sarfaraz (Giridih) Bhagat, Sh ri H K.L. (East Delhi) Ahmed, Shrimati Abida (Bareilly) Bhakta. Shri Manoranjan (Andaman & Akhtar Hasan, Shri (Kairana) Nicobar Islands) Alkba Ram, Shr; (Salumbcr) Bbandari, Shrimati D.K. (Sikkim) Anand Singh, Shri (Gonda) Bhanu Pratap Singh, Shri (PiIibhit) Anjiab, Shri T. (Secllnderabacl) Bbarat Kumar, Shri (Porbandaq Annanambi, Shri R. (PolJachi) Bharat Singh, Shri (Outer Delhi) Ansari, Shri Abdul Hannan (Madhubani) Ansari, Shr; Z.R. (Vnnao) Bbardwaj, Shri Parasram (Sarangarh) Anthony, Shr; Frank (Nominated Anglo- Bhattacharyya, Shrimati Indumati (Hooghly) Indian) Bhattam, Shri S.M. (Visakhapatnam) Anthony, Shri P. A. (Trichur) Bboi, Dr. Krupasindhu (Sambalpur) Appalanarasimham, Shri P. (Anakapal1i) Bhoopathy. Shri G. (PeddapaUi) Arunachalam, Shri M. (Tenkasi) Bhosale. Shri Prataprao B. (Sa tara) Atbitban, Shri R Dhanuskodi (Tiruchendur) Bhoye, Shri R.M. (Dhule) Awa.thi, Shri Jagdish (Bilhuuf) Bhoyc, Sbri S. S. (Malegaon) Azad, Shri Bhagwat Jha () Bhuria, Sbri Dileep Singh (Jhabua) Azad, Shri Ghulam Nabi (Wasbim) Birbal, Sbri (Ganganagar) Bircndra Singb. Rao (Mahcndragarh) B Birinder Singh, Shri (Hissar) Bacbchan, Shri Amitabh (Allahabad) Biswas, Shri Ajoy (Tripura West) Baghel, Shri Pratapsinh (Ohar) Brahma Dutt, Shri (Tehr i Garhwal) Bagun Sumbrui, Shri (Singhbhum) Bundela, Shri Sujan Singh (Jbansi) Bairagi, Shr1 Balkavi (Mandsaur) Buta Singh, S. (Jalore) Bairwa, Shrj Banwari Lal (Tonk) Baitba, Shri D. L. (Araria) C Bajpai, Dr. Rajcndra Kumari (Sitapur) Chandra Pratap Narain, SinKh Sbri Bala Goud, . Shri T. (Nizamabad) (Padrauna) Balaraman, Shri L. (Vandavasi) Cbandrakar, Shri Chandulal (Durg) Bali, Shrin Jati Vajayanthimala (Madras Cbandrashekhaf, Shrimati M. (Sriperumbudur South). Cbandshasekbarappa, Shri T. V. (Shimoga) Ban, Shr , Deep Narain (Balrampur) Cbandresh Kuma." Shrimati (Kangra) Hallam dla, Sllri G.M. (Ponnani) (ii) , Shri (Baghpat) Dora, Sbri H. A. (Srikakulam) Dube, Shri Bhishma Deo (Banda) Cbarle~, Shri A. (Trivandrum) Chaturvedi, Shri Naresh Chandra (Kanpur) F Cbaturvedi, Shrimati Vidyavati (Khajuraho) Faleiro. Sbri Eduardo (Mormugao) Chaudhary, Shri Manphool Singh (Bikaner) Fernandes. Sbri Oscar (Udupi) Chaudhary, Shri A. B. A. Ghani Khan (MaIda) G Cbavan, Shrimati Premalabai (Karad) Gadgil, Shri V. N. () Cbavao, Shri S. B. (Nanded) Gadhvi Shri B. K. (Banaskantha) Cbavda, Shri Ishwarbhai K. (Anand) Gaekwad, Shri Ranjit Singh (Baroda) Cbidambaram. Shri P. (Sivaganga) Gaekwad, Shri lJday')ingrao (Kolhapur) Chiota Mohau, Shri (Tirupati) Gamit, Shri C. D. (Mandvi) Chokka Rao, Shri J. (Karimnagar) Gandbi, Shri Rajiv (Amethi) Choubey. Shri Narayan (Midnapore) Ganga Ram, Shri (Firozabad) Cboudhari, Shrimati Usha (Amravati) Gavali, Shri Sitaram J. (Dadra & Nagar Cboudhary, Shri Jagannath (BaHia) Haveli) Choudhary, Shri Nandlal (Sagar) Gavit, Shri Manikrao Hodlya (Nandurbar) Choudhary, Shri Saifuddin (Katwa) Gehlot, Shri Ashok (Jodhrur) D Gholap, Shri S. G. (Thane) Dabhi, Shri Ajit')inh (Kaira) Ghosal, Shri Debi (Barrackpore) Daga, Shr; MooI Oland (Pali) Ghosh, Shri Rimal Kanti (Scrampore) Dalbir, Singh, Shri (Sbabdol) Ghosh, Shri Tarun Kanti (Barasat) Dalbir, Singh, Ch. (Sirsa) Gbosh Goswami, Shrimati Bibha (NabadwiP) Dalwal, Sbri Hussain (Ratnagiri) Gohil, Shri G. B. (Bhavnagar) Damor, Shri Somjibhai (Dohad) Gomango, Shri G iridhar (Koraput) Dandavate. Prof. Madhu tRajapur) Gopeshwar, Sbri (Jamshedpur) Das, Shri Anadi Charan (Jajpur) Gounder, Shri A. S. (!lalani) Gowda, Shri H. N. Nanjc (Hassan) Das, Shri R. P. (Krishnagar) Das Munsi, Shri Priya Ranjan (Howrah) Guba, Shrimati Phulrenu (Contai) Datta, Shri Amal (Diamond Harbour) Gupta, Shri lndrajit (Basirhat) Gupta, Shri Janak Raj (Jammu) Dennis, Shri N. (N agercoil) Dco, Shri V. Kishore Chandra S. Gupta, Shrimati Prabhawati (Motihari) Guraddi, Shri S. M. (Bijapur) (Parvathipuram) Deora, Shri Murli (Bombay South) H Desai, Sbri B. V. (Raichur) Halder, Prof. M. R. (Mathurapur) Devarajan. Sbri B. (Rasipuram) , Shri (Uluberia) Devi, Prof. Chandra Bhanu (Balia) lIaosda, Shri Malila) (Jhargram) Dhariwal, Sbri Shanti (Kota) Digal, Shri Radbakanta (Phulbani) Hardwari Lal, Shri (Rohtak) Dighe, Shri Sharad (Bombay North Central) Harpal Singh. Shri (Kurukshetra) Digl'ljay Slnb, Shri (surendranagar) Hembrom, Shri Seth (Rajmahal) DiaviJaY8 Singh, Shri (Rajgarh) Dlksbit, Shrimati Sheila (Kannauj) I Dlnesh Singb. Shri (Pratapgarh) Iyer, Shri V. S. Krishna (Bansal ore South) Dogra. Shri O. L. (Udhampur) J Donpookar, Shri Sahebrao PaUl Jadeja, Shri P. (Jamnagar) (Auran,abad) p. (iti) Kisku, Shri Pritbvi Chand (Dumka) ... aIfar Sharief, Shri ( North) Kolandail'elu, Shri P. (Gobiehettipalayam) Jagannatb Prasad, Shri (Mohanlalganj) Konyak, Shri Chingwang (N~'galand) JagathrakshakaD, Dr. S. (Chcngalpattu) Krishna Pratap Singb, Shri (Maharajganj) Jagjiv8n Ram, Shri (Sasaram) Kri&bna Kumar, Shri S. (Quilon) Jaideep Singb, Shri (Godhra) Krisbna Singh, Shri (Bhind) Jain, Shri Oat Chander (Damoh) Kshirsagar, Shrimati Kesharbai (Bhir) Jain, Shri Nihal Singh (Agra) Ku~han, Shri Gangadhar S. (So)apur) Jain, Shri Virdhi Chander {Barmer) KUJur, Shri Maurice (Sundargarh) JakhBr, Dr. Bal Ram (Sikar) Kumaramangalam, Shri P.R. (Salem) Janartbanan, Shri Kadambur (Tirunclveli) Kunjambu, Shri K. (Adoor) Jangd , Shri Khclan Ram (Bi laspur) e Kunwar Ram, Shri (Nawada) .Jatav, Shri Kammodilal (Morena) Jayamohan, Shri A. (Tiruppattur) Kuppuswamy, Shri C.K. (Coirnbatore) Kurien, Prof. P.J. (Idukki) Jeevaratbinam, Shri R. (Arakkonam) Kurup, Shri Suresh (Koltayam) Jena, Shri Chintamani (BaJasore) Jbansi LakshmL Shrlmati N.P. (Chittoor) L Jbikram, Shri M.L. (Manella) Lachcbi Ram, Ch. (Jalaun) Jitendra Prasada, Shri (Shahjahanpur) Lal Duhoma, Shri (Mizoram) .Jitendra Singh, Shri (Maharajganj) Law Sbri Asutosh (Dum Dum) Jujbar Singh, Shri (Jhalawar) Lowang. Shri Wangpha (Arunachal East)

K M KablJli, Shri Abdul Rashid (Srinagar) Madhuree Singh, Shrimati (Purnea) Kakade, Shri Sambhajil

Mishta, Dr. Prabhat kumar (Janjgir) Pakeer Mohamed, Shri B.S.M. (Mayuram) Mishra, Shri Ram Nagina (S~lempur) PaJakondrayudu, Shri S. (Rajampet) Mfshra, Shri Shripati (Machhlishabr) Pande, Sbr i Raj Manaa1 (Deoria) Misbra, Shri Uma Kant (Mirzapur) Pandey, Shri Damodar (Hazaribagh) Misbra, Shri Vijay Kumar () Pandey, Shri Kali Prasad (GopaJganj) Misra, Shri Nityananda (Bolangir) Pandey, Shri Madan (Gorakhpur) Misra, Shri SatyagopaI (Tamluk) Pandey, Shri Manoj (Bettiah) Modi, Shri Vishnu (Ajmer) Panigrabi, Shri Chintamani (Bhubaneswar) Mobandas, Shri K. (Mukundapuram) Panigrahi, Shri SribaJlav (Deogarh) Mobanty, Shri Brajarnohan (Puri) Panika, Shri Ram Pyar'! (Robertsganj) More, Prof. Ramkcishna (Khed) Panja, Shri A. K. (Calcutta North East) Motlfal Singh, Shri (Sidhi) Pant, Shri K.C. (New DeJhi) Mukherjee, Shrimati Geeta (Panskura) Parasbar, Prof. Narain Chand (Hamirpur) Mukbopadbyay, Shri Ananda Gopal (Asa .. Pardhi, Shri Keshaorao (Bhandara) nsol) Paswan, Shri Ram Bhagat (Rosera) Mandacal, Shri George Joseph (Muvattupuzha) Patel, Dr. A.K. (Mehsana) Murmu, Shri Sidha Lai (Mayurbhanj) Patel, Shri Ahmed M. (Broach) Murthy. Shri M. V. Chtfudrashekara Patel, Shri C.D. (-;;urat) Patel, Shri G. 1. (Gandhinagar) (Kanakapura) Patel, Shri H M. (Sabarkantha) Muruaaiab, Shri A. R. (Karur) Patel, Shri Mohanbhai (Junagadh) Mushrao, Shri Ajay (Jabalpur) Patel, Shri Ram Pujan (Phulpur) Muttemwar, Shri Vilas (Chimur) Patel, Shri U.H. (Buisar) l'athak, Shri Ananda (Darjeeling) N Pathak, Shri Chandra Kishore (Sahc.rsa) Nalk, Shri G. Devaraya (Kanara) PatiJ, Shri Balasaheb Vikhe (Kopargaon ) Naik, Shri Shantaram (Panaji) , Shri D.B. (Kolaba) Naikar, Shri D.K. (Dharwad North) PatiJ, Shr; H.B. (Bagalkot) Namg)al, Shri P. (Ladakh) PaUl, Sbri Prakash V. (Sangli) Narayanan, Shri K R. (OUapalam) Patil, Shri Shlvraj V. (Latur) Natarajao, Shri K. R. (Dindigu1) PatU, Shri Uttamrao (YavatmaJ) Natwar Singh, Shri K. (Bharatpuc) PatH, Shci Veerendra () Nawal Prabhakar, Shrimati Sunderwati Patil, Shri Vijay N. (Erandol) (Karol Bagh) Patil , Shri Yashwantrao Gadakh Neekbra, Shri Rameshwar (Hoshangabad) (Ahmednagar) Negl, Shri Chandra Mohan Singh (Garhwal) Patnaik, Shrimati Jayanti (Cuttack) Nehru, Shri Arun Kumar (Rae Bareli) Pattnaik, Shri Jagannath (Kalahandi) Netam, Shri Arvind (Kanker) Pawar, Shri Balasaheb (Jalna) Panwar, Shri Satyanarayan (Ujjain) o Penchamah, Shri P. (NeUore) Peruman, Dr. P. Valla1 (Chidambaram) Odeyar, Shri Channaiab (Davangere) Pilot, Shri Rajesh (Da usa) Oraon, Shrimati Sumati (Lohardaga). Poojary, Shri lanardhana (Mangalore) Owaisi, Shri (Hyderabad) Potdukhe, Shri Shantayam (Chandrapur) Prabbu, Shri R. (Nilgiris) p Pradhan, Shri K.N. (BhopaJ) Padayachi, Sbri S. S. Ramasam), (Tindivanam) Pradhani, Shri K. (Nowrangpur) (y)

Parkash Cbandra, Shri (Barh) Rawst, Shri Prabhu Lal (Baoswara) Puran Cbandra, Shri (Hathras) Reddf, Shri C. Madhav (Adilabad) Purohit, Shri Banwari Lal (Nagpur) Redd1, Shri Bezawada Papi (Ongole) Purushotbsman, Shri Vakkom (AlJappey Reddy, Shri B.N. (Miryalauda) Pusbpa Devi, Kumari (Raigarh) Reddy, Shri C. Janaa (Hanamkonda) Reddy, Shri D.N. (Cuddapah) Q Reddy, Shei E. Ayyapu (Kurnool) Reddy, Shri K. Ramachand,a (Hindupur) Qureshi, Sbri Aziz (Satna) Reddy. Shri M. Raghuma (Nalgonda) Reddy, Shri M. Subba (Nandyal) R Ragburaj Singb, Chaudhary (Etawah) Reddy. Shri Manik (Medak) RBi. Shri I. Rama (Kasaragod) Reddy, Shri S. Jaipal (Mabbubnagar) Rai, Shri Raj Kumar (Gbosi) Riyan, Shei Baju Uan (Tripura East) Rai, Sbri Ramdeo (Samastipur) Roy, Dr. Sudhir (Burdwan) Raj Karan Singb, Shri (Sultanpur) Roypraclbao, Shri Amar (Cooch Bebar) RaJesbwaran, Dr. V. (Ramanathapuram) Rajeswari, Shrimati Basava (Bellary) S Rajhans, Dr G .S. (Jhanjbarpur) Raju, Shri Anand Gajapathi (Bobbili) Saba, Shri Ajit Kumar (Vishnupur) Raju, Shri Vljaya Kumar (f'olarasapur) Saba. Shri G.tdadhar (Birbhum) Ram Shri Ram Ratan () Sabi, Shrimati Krishna (Beausarai) Ram', Shrl Ramswaroop (Gaya) Ram Awadb Prasad, Shri (Basti) Sabu, Shri Shiv Prasad (Ranchi) Ram Bahadur Singh, Shri (Chapra) Sait, Shri Azeez (Dharwad South) Ram Dhao, Shri (Lalganj) Sait, Shri Ebrahim Sulaiman (Manjeri) Ram Prakash, Ch. (Ambala) Sakargaym, Shri Kalicharan (Khandwa) Ram SamuJbawan, Shri (Saidpur) Ramacbandran. Shri Mullappally (Cannanore) Salabuddin, Shri (Godda) Ramaiah, Shri B.B. (Eluru) Samant, Dr. Datta (Bombay South Central) Ramaiab, Sbri Sode (Bbadrachalam) Sambn, Shri C, (Bapatla) Ramamurtby. Sbri K. (Krishnaairi) Sanama, Shri P. A. (Tura) Ramasbray Prasad Singb, Shri (Jahanabad) Rampal Singb, Shrl (Amroha) Sankbawar, Shri Ashkaran (Ghatampur) RamBin, ShJi H.G. (Koppal) Sankta Prasad, Dr. (Misrikh) Rana Vir Sinab, Shri (KaisergaDj) Santosb Kumar Slop, Shri (Azamgarh) Raoga, Prof. N.G. (Guntur) Sao18l, Shri Manik (Jalpaiguri) Ranganath, Shri K.H. (Chitradurga) Rao, Shri A.J.V.B. Mahcswara (Amalapuram) Satyeodra Cbandra, Shri (Nainital) Rao, Dr. G. Vijaya Rama (Siddipet) Sathe, Shri Vasant (Wardha) Rao, Sbri J. Vengala (Khammam) Sayeed, Shri P. M. (Lakshadweep) Rao, Sbri Jagannatb (Berhampur) Selndia, Shri Madhavrao (Owalior) Rao, Shri K.~. (Machilipatnam) Rao, Shri P.V. Naralimba (Ramtek) Selvendran, Shri P. (Periyakulam) Rao, Shri Sribari (Rajahmundry) , Sen, Shri A. K. (Calcutta North West) Rao, Shri V. Krishna (Chikballapue) Sen. Shri Bbolanath (Calcutta South) Rao, Shri V. Sobhanadreeswara (Vijayawada) Sethi, Shri Anaota Prasad (Bbadrak) Rath. Shri ~onlDath (Aska) Setbi, Shri P. C. (Indore) R athawa, Shri Amarsinh (Chhota Udaipur) Ratbod, Sbri Uttam (Hingoli) Shah, Shri AnooPchand (Bombay North) Ratnam, Sbri N. Venkata (Tenali) Shahi, Shri Laliteshwar (Muzaffarpurt) Raut, Sbri Bhola (Sa aaba) Sballesh, Dr. B. L. (Chail) Ra~ani, Shri Navin (Amreh) Sha)dawat , Prof Nirmala Kumari (Chitto... Rawat, Shri Harish (Almora) aarIt) Rawat , Shri Kamla Prasad (Barabank;) (vi)

Sbankaragowda, Sbri K. V. (Mandya) Swami Prasad Singh. Shri (Hamirpur) Sbankaranani. Shri B. (Chikkodi) Swamy, Shci D. Narayana (Anantapur) Shanmugam, Shri A. C. (Vellore) Swamy, Shri Katuri Narayana (Narasaraopet) Shaomugam, Sbri p. (Pondicherry) Swell, Shri G.G. (Shillong) Shanti Devi , Sbrimati (Sambhal) Sharma, Sbri Chiranji Lal (Kamal) T Sharma. Sbri Nand Kishore (Balaghat) Tapeshwar Singh, Shri (Bikramganj) Sharma, Shri Nawal Kisbore (Jaipur) Sharma, Shri Pratap Bhanu (Vidisba) , Shri () Sha.tri, Shri Bari Krishna (Fatehpur) Tewary, Prof K,K. (Buxar) Sbervani, Shri Saleem I (Budaun) Thakkar. Shrimati Usha (Kutch) Sbingda, Shri D. B. (Dabanu) Thakur, Shri C.P. () Shi'fendra Babadar Singh, Sbri (Rajnand- Tbambi Durai, Shri M. (Dharmapuri) gaon) Thangaraju, Shri S. (Perambalur) Thara Devi, Kumari D.K. (Chikmagalur) Shukla, Shri Vidycl Char an (M ahasamund) Siddiq, Shri Hafiz Mobd. (Moradabad) Thomas, Prof. K. V. (Ernakulam) Sidnal, Shri S. B. (BeJgaum) Thomas, Shri Thampan (Mavelikara) Singaravadivel, Shri S. (Thanjavur) Thorat, Shri Bhausahcb (Pandharpur) Singh, Sbri D.O. (Shahabad) Tbota, Shri Gopal Krishna (Kakinada) Singh, Shri K.N. (Hapur) Tbuogon, Shri P.K (Arunachai West) Singb, Sbri Lal Vijay Pratap (Sarguja) Ti&K8, Sbri Simon (Khunti) Singh, Shri S.D. (Dhanbad) Tilakdbari Singh, Shri (Kodarma) Singh Dee, Shrl K.P. (Dhenkanal) Tiraky, Shri Piyus (Alipurduars) Sinha, Shri Atisb Chandra (Berhamporc) Tomar, Shrimati Usha Rani (Aligarh) Sinha, Shrimati Kishori () Tombi Singh, Shri N. (lnner Manipur) Sinha, Sbrirnati Ram Oulari (Sheohar) Tripatbi, Shrimati Chandra (ChandauliJ Sinha. Shri Satyendra Narayan (Aurangabad) Tripathi• Dr. CKhalilabad) Sodi, Shri Mankuram (Bas tar) Tulsiram, Shri V. (Nagarkurnool) Solanki, Sbri Kalyan Singh (Aonla) Tyagi, Shri Dbaramvir Singh (Muzaifarnagar) Solanki, Shri Natavarsinh (Kapadvanj) Tytler, Shri Jagdish (Delhi Sadar) Somu, Shri N. V.N. (Madras North) Soren, Shri Haribar (Keonjhar) U Soundararajan, Shri N. (Sivakasi) Unnikriabnan, Shri K.P. (Badagara) Soz, Prof. Saifuddin (Baramulla) Sreenivasa Prasad, Shri V. (Chamarajanagar) V SubburalDao, Shri A.G. (Madurai) Vairale, Sbri Madhusudan (Akola) , Shri (Mandi) Vanakar. Sbri Punam Chand Mithabhai Sukhactia, Shrimati Indubala (Udaipur) (Patan) Sultanpuri, Shri K.D. (Simla) Venkatesan, Shri P.R.S. (Cuddalore) Venkatesh, Dr. V. (Kolar) Sumao. Shd R.P. (AkbarpuI) Sundararaj, Shri lPudukkottai) Verma, Dr. C.S. (Khagaria) Sunder Lat. Shri (Hardwar) Verma, Shrimati Usha (Kheri) Sunil Dutt. Shri (Bombay North West) Vijayaragha,an, Shri V,S. (Palghat) Surendra Pal Singh, Shri (Bulandsbahar) Vir Sen, Shri (Khurja) Suryawansbi, Shri Narsinarao (Bidar) Vyas, Shri Oirdhari Lal (Bhilwara) (vii'

W Yadav, Shri Subhash (Khargone) Wadiyar, Shri Srikanta Datta Narasimha- Yadav, Shri Vijoy Kumar (NaJanda) raja (Mysore) Yadava, Shri Bal Ram Singb (Mainpuri) Wasoik, Shri Mukul (Buldhana) Yadava, Shri D.P. (Monghyr) Yazdani, Dr. Golam (RaigaDJ) y Yashpal Singh, Sbri (Saharan pur) Yadav, Shri Kailash (Jalesar) Yogesh, Shri Yogeshwar Prasad (Cbatra) Yadav, Shri Mahabir Prasad (Madhepura)

Yadav, Shri R.N. (Parbbani) Z Yadav, Shri Ram Singh (Alwar) Zaioal Abedio, Shri (Jangipur)

Yadav, Shri Shyam Lai (Varanasi) Zainul Basher I Shri (Ghazipur)

LOB: SABnA

The Speaker Dr. Dal Ram Jakhar

The Deputy-Speaker Shri M. Thambi Durai

Panel 01 Chairmen Shrimati Basava Rajeswari Shri Zainul Basher Shri Sharad Dighe Shri Vakkom Purushothaman Sbri Somnatb Rath Shri N. Venkata Ratnam Secretary-General Dr. Subhasb C. Kashyap

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GOVERNMENT OF INDIA

MEMBERS OF THE CABINET

1. Prime Minister and also incharge of the Shri Rajiv Gandhi Ministries/Departments of environment & Forests; External Affairs; Personnel and Training, Administrative Reforms and Public Grievances and Pension, Plan­ ning ; Science and Technology ; Tourism and Civil Aviation; Atomic Energy; Culture; Electronics; Ocean Develop­ ment ; Space; Youth Affairs and Sports and other subjects not allocated to any other Cabinet Minister or Minister of State (Independent charge). 2. Minister of Defence Shri P. V. Narasimha Rao 3. Minister of Home Affairs Shri S.B. Chavan 4. Minister of Finance and Commerce Shri Vishwanath Pcatap Siop 5. Minister of Work') and Housing Shri Abdul Ghafoor 6. Minister of Law & Justice Shri A.K. Sen 7. Minister of Irrigation & Power Shri B. Shankaranand 8. Minister of Railways Shr j Bansi Lal 9. Minister of Agriculture & Rural S. Buta Singh Development 10. Minister of ParliamentarY Affairs Shri H.K.L. Bhagat 11. Minister of Education Shri K.C. Pant 12. Minister of Health & Family Welfare Shrimati Mohsina Kidwai 13. Minister of Food & Civil Supplies Rao Birendra Singh 14. Minister of Steel, Mines and Coal Shri 15. Minister of Chemicals & Fertilizers Shri Veerendra PatH and Industry and Company Affairs

MINISTERS OF STATE (INDEPENDENT CHARGE) 1. Minister of State (Independent Charge) Shri of the Min,stry of Supply and Textiles 2. Minister of State (Independent Charge) Shrimati M. Chandrasekhar of the MinistrY of Social and Womcn'ts Welfare 3. Minister of State (Independent charge) Sbri Nawal Kishore Sharma of the Ministry of Petroleum 4. Minister of State (Independent charge) Shri Ram Niwas Mirdha of the Ministry of communications S. Minister of State (Independent charge) Shri T. Anjiab of the Ministry of Labour 6. Minister of State (Independent charge) Shri V.N. Gadgil of the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting 7. Minister of State (Independent charge) Shri Z.R. Ansari of the Ministry of Shipping and Trans .. port (KU)

MINISTERS OF STATE J. Minister of State in the Ministry of Shri Arif Mohammad KbaD Industry &: Company Affairs &: in the Ministry of Home Affairs 2. Minister of State in the Department Sbrt Arun Nebru of Power 3. Minister or State in tbe Ministry or Sbri Ashok. Gehlot Tourism &: Civil Aviation 4. Minister of State in the Department Sbci Chandu1al ChaQdraker of Rural Development 5. Minister of State in the Ministry of Sbri Ohulam Nabi Azad Parliamentary Affairs 6. Minister of State in the MinistrY of Sbri H.R. Bharadwaj Law & Justice 7. Minister of State in the Minittry of Shri J anardbana Poojary Finance 8. Minister of State in the Department Shri :re. Natwar Singh of Steel 9. Minister of State in the Ministry of Shri Khursbid Alam KhaP External Affairs 10. Minister of State in the Ministry of Shri K.P. SioSh DeC) Personnel and Trainina. Adminis­ trative Reforms and Public Grie­ vances and Pension and in the Department of Culture II. Minister of State in the Ministry of Shri K.R. Nara,anan Planning 12. Minister of State in the Ministry of Shri Madhavrlo Scindia Railways 13. Minister of State in tho Ministry of Shtimati Margaret Alva ParliamentarY Affairs 14. Minister of State in the Ministry of Shri P .A. 8angma Commerce 15. Minister of State in the Department Shri R.K. Jaichandra Sinah of Youth Affairs and Sports 16. Minister of Statt in the Ministry of Shrimati Ram Dulari SiDha Home Affairs 17. Minister of State in tbe Ministry of Sbri Shivraj V. Patil Science &: Technology and in the Departments of Ocean Develop­ ment, Atomic Energy, Space &: Electronics 18. Minister of State in tbe Ministry of Sbri Vir Sen Environment and Forests 19. Minister of State in tbe DepartllWDt Shri Yo.endra Makwana Or Health LOK SABRA DEBATES

1 2 LOK SABHA Shri Mobar Singh Rathore passed away on 22nd June, 1985, at at the age of 59 years. Tuuday, July 23, 1985 Sravana J, 1907 (Saka) Shri Jamilur Rahman was a sitting Member of the House representing Kisban­ ganj constituency of . Earlier he had Tlte Lok Sabha met at Eleven 0/ the Clock. been a Member of the Fifth and Seventh Lok Sabha during 1971-77 and B)80-84 res­ pectively representing the Same constitu­ ency. [MR. SPEAKER in the Chair] He was a vigilant Member and never MEMBER SWORN lost an opportunity to raise matters concern .. ing upliftment of the down-trodden and Shri Sukh Ram (Mandi-Himachal weaker sections of society. He served on Pradesh) various parliamentary and Consultative Committees.

OBITUARY REFERENCES An advocate and agriculturist by pro­ feSSion, he was associated with several cul­ [English] tural. educational and social organisation besides being connected with the Bar Assos­ MR. SPEAKER: Hon. Members, as we ciation of Purnea in various capacities. A meet today after an intenal of two months, staunch advocate of Bhoodan Movement, he I have to inform the HOU5e of the sad de­ donated land for scheduled castes and land­ mise of two sitting and ten of our former less people and worked for national integra­ colleagues namely Sarvashri Mohar Singh tion. A widdy travelled persoD, he was a Rathore, Jamilur Rahman, Somchandbhai member of the delegation of South Ealt Man ubhai Solanki, P.S Kharparde, Chowdhry Asian Friendship Society to Moscow aDd Pratap Singb Daulta, Haji , East Germany in 1972. Shti Kbagendranath Dasgupu, Prof. Yasbwant Rai, Sarvashri Ganaacharan Dixit, Shri Rahman was injured in a road acci­ Laxmi Das, Vinodbhai Sheth and Sanjibhai dent in Bihar in December last and never re­ Rupjibhai Delkar. covered fully. He passed away at London where he had gone for treatment, on 2nd Sbri Mobar Singh Rathore was a sitting July, 1985, at the a,e of S5 years. Member of the House representing Churu Shri Somchandbhai Manubhai Solanki constituency of Rajasthao. Earlier he ha d was a Member of tbe Fourth and Fifth Lok beon a Member of the Rs jasthan Legislative Sabha during 1967.77 representing Gandhi­ Assembly duril'Jg 1962-72. He served on napr constituency of Gujarat . the House Committee and Public Accounts Committee in the State Assembly. A well known social worker, Shri Solanki took keen interest in organising cooperative. A well known social worker, he worked and educational institutions and worked for for the eradication of untouchability, spread prohibition and removal of social evils. He of education, Bhoodan movement and rural was associated with several social orpnisa- development. He was associated with tions. several cooperative banks and educational illititutions in different capacities. Sbri Solaokt passed away aD 220d May, j OhitUlUY Refere"cel JULY. 23, 1985 Obituary References 4

1985 at Ahmedabad at the age of 65 Haji Lutfal Haque passed away on 7th years. June 1985 at Berhamllore in West Bengal at the age of 74 years. Shri P.S. Kharparde was a Member of Provisional during 1950-52 from Shri Khagendranath Dasgupta was a MadhYa Pradesh. member of the Sixth Lok Sabba dUring 1977-79 representing Jalpaiguri constituency A veteran freedom fighter, he actively of West Bengal. Earlier be had been a participated in the freedom struggle and member of the erstwhile Bengal Legislative suffered imprisonment for severa) years. Assembly during 1937·}947 and West Bengal Legislative Assembly during 1947-68. He A well known social and political worker. served as a Mini5ter in the State Cabinet Sbri Kharparde worked for the uplift of for several years holding various portfolios. weaker sections of society and championed He also functioned as the Leader of the the cause of working classes. He was an OpPOSition for a short period in 1967. exponent of Ayurvedic system of medi­ cine. An able parliamentarian, he made valua­ ble contribution to the debates and was Shri Kbarparde passed away on 29th heard in rapt attention by aU sections of the May 1985 at Nagpur at the age of 73 years. House.

Chowdhry Pratap Singh Daulta was a A Member of Second Lok Sabha during 1957- veteran freedom fighter, he actively 62 representing Jhajjar constituency of the participated in the Non-cooperation Move­ ment and was imprisoned several times. then Punjab State. He started his political career at an early An advocate by profession. he took keen age. interest in the spread of education. He forcefully pleaded the cau'e of farmers both A prominent social worker, be was inside and outside the Parliament and was associated with several organisations con­ associated with several associations relating nected with relief and welfare of the to their welfare. He was imprisoned several people. times in connection with Kisan Move­ ments. Sbri Kbagendranath Das gupta passed away on 15th June 1985 at Calcutta at the age Chowdhry Pratap Singh Daulta passed of 87 years. away on 30th May 1985 at Chandigarh at Prof. Yashwant Rai was a member of the the age of 67 years. Constituent Assembly and Provisional Parliament during 1947-52 from the then Haji Lutfal Haque was a member of the Punjab State. Fourth and Fifth Lok Sabha during 1967-77 representing Jangipur constituency of West A prominent social and political worker. Bengal. Earlier, he had been a member ot he worked tirelessly throughout his life for the West Bengal Leais1ative Assembly during the uplift of the poor and the down-trodden. the period 1952-67. He was associated with several organisations connected with the welfare of depressed and A teacher by profession, he was asso­ weaker sections of the society. ciated with several educational institutions and libraries in varIous capacities. A well An able parliamentarian, he made signi­ known social worker J he organised relief ficant contributions in framing the Consti­ work in drought and flood affected areas and tution of free India. helped in refugee rehabilitatioD. Besides beiDI a member of the District Board and A well known academician, he was the Zita Parishad right from 1946. he was also founder of a school at Lahore besides being connected with the State Wakf Board and member of All India Council for Education. wvera) other social organisations. He also edited a weekly. Obil1lfJT1 References 6 5 Oblluary References SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA)

Prof. Yashwant Rai passed away on A well known social worker, he was 16th June 1985 at Chandigarh at the aae of associated with several social and educa­ 70 years. tional institutions in various capacities. Besides being the ChaIrman of the National Shri Qangacharan Dixit was a member Shipping Board, he was Deputy Governor of of the Fourth and Fifth Lok Sabha repre- Lions International for some time.

I senting Khandwa constituency of Madhya Pradesh. Earlier be had been a member of A veteran freedom fighter, he actively the Madhya Pradesh Legislative Assembly participated in the freedom struggle. during 1952-57. An able parliamentarian. he took keen interest in the proceedings of Shri Vinodbhai Sheth passed away at the House particularly relating to welfare Jamnagar in Gujarat on 24th June 1985 at of poor people. the age of 59 years.

A veteran freedom fighter, he took active Shri Sanjibhai Rupjibhai Delkar was part in the freedom struggle and was im­ a member of the Second, Third and Fourth prisoned for several years. A prominent Lok Sabha during 1961-70 representing social worker, trade unionist and academi­ Dadra and Nagar Haveli. cian, Shri Dixit worked hard for the remo­ val of untouchability, promotion of educa­ A prominent social worker, he took keen tion, rural development and spread of interest in the removal of social evils amongst cooperative movement. He was associated the Adivasis and was associated with several with several social, educational and labour social and educational organizations. organisa tions. An agriculturist by profession, he was a mem ber of the Land Reforms Commission. Shri Dixit passed away on J8th June 1985 He took active part in the liberation of at Burhanpur in Madhya Pradesh at the age Dadra and Nagar Haveli from foreign of 84 years. ruJe.

Shri Laxmi Das was a Member of the Shri Sanjibhai Rupjibhai Delkar passed Third Lok Sabha during 1962-66 represen­ away on 2nd July, 1985 at SiJvassa at the age of ting Miryatguda constituency Andhra of 70 years, Pradesh. We deeply mourn the loss of these A veteran freedom fighter, he participated friends t and I am sure the House will join in the movement for the accession of the me in conveying our condolences to the then princely State of Hyderaba1 to the bereaved families. Indian union and suffered imprisonment. Sunday, June ~3, 1985 would go down A welt-known socia) worker and trade as a tragic day in the history of Indian unionist, he devoted his life for the welfare Civil Aviation. The news of the worst ever of the working class and was associated with air crash at sea involving the Air India's several labour and social organisations in jumbo jet 'Emperor Kanishka' off the various capacities. Irish coast killing aJl the 329 innocent lives including members of the crew on board was Shri Laxmi Das passed away on 20th June received by the world at large with great 1985 at Hyderabad at the age of 67 years. shock and sorrow. The cruel hands of death did not spare even a single person­ old or young. In some cases, the whole Sbri Vinodbhai Sheth was a member of families were wiped out. We lost many the Sixth Lok Sabha during 1977-79 repre· senting Jamnagar constituency of Gujarat. scientists like Dr. Nayudamma ... Earlier, he had been a member of the The exact cause of the disaster would Oujarat State Legislative Assembly during be known after the completion of the iq­ 1975.76. He also served as a Cabinet vestj~tion a1rca4)' in pro8f_' Minister in the State CouJ;lfil of MiDist~rs~ 7 Oml Arlswm JULY, 23, 198' Oral AIISWrI 8

Our hearts go down in sympathy to the SHRI : There are members of the bereaved families. May so many chemicals. If 1 have to count them, tbey bear the loss with courage and forti­ they will run into hundreds. tude. The House may now sta nd in silence for MR. SPEAKER: And there are so nlany a short while to express its sorrow. percentages. .. (The Members than stood in silence for a SHRJ VEERENDRA PATIL: If the hon !hort while). Member had wanted to know about a partie cular chemical, its production, capacity­ demand, shortfall and how it is being met: ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS I would have been in a position to give [English] that information. On the whole, production of chemicals in the country is quite satis­ Indilenou8 Manufacture of Chemicals factory. To a great extent we are self­ sufficient. Sometimes, all of a sudden * 1. SHRI : demands go up. There would be a sudden Win the Minister of CHEMICALS AND shortage. To that extent we take prompt FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: action to import and meet the requirements. (a) the percentage of chemicals indigeno­ SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: The usly manufactured out of total requirement; import-export policy was not discussed in this House during the last Session. (b) Whether Government are aware that We want that this should be discused due to shortage of chemicals, the quality of during the current Session of the research in the country is great1y affected; Lok Sabha. Tm the time of the last and import-export policy, chemicals and re­ agents were being imported. So far s I know (c) If so, the steps Govern ment propose on1y 25% of the total requirement to take in this regard? of these items, viz. chemicals and THE MIN1STER OF CHEMICALS reagents required for industrial purposes AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY and for re~arch laboratories indi­ AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRl genously manufactured in our country. VBERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (c): Suffi­ Till the last policy, the chemicals and re-agents were imported. This was cient capacity has been instal led/licensed allowed under OGL for stocking and sale. by Government to meet largely the indige­ This is banned only now by tbe present nous demand of chemicals. As such, the policy for individual users. For industry and question of quality of research being affected for research laboratories, they can import due to shortage of chemicals does not arise. chemicals and re-agents for their laboratories Nor bas any such report been received by and for their industries. But these item. Government. cannot be projected, the amount which will SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: Sir, be required for the research laboratories, I seek protection from you. My question was for the industry cannot be projected. As very speCific and very categorical. I asked such the import which is allowed for the for the percentage of chemicals indigenously individual users is quite impossible. Manufactured-out or the total requirements. what is the percentage of chemicals manu­ MR. SPEAKER: This is a monologue. factured indigenously by indigenous factories, or chemical Industries; and what are the SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA: They requirements of industries and of research reqaire a very small quantity of these items laboratories. This question is very specific and this is quite impossible for them to and very categorical. I want a categorical import them. answer from the Minister to the question, viz. what I'Cretntaae of requirements of MR. SPBAKflR£ Can yoa make it • ~bomicals is IllAnUfact11red indigenously. supplement&!')'. Sff? 9 Oro! Answers SRAVANA 1. 1907 (SAXA) Oral An.rwers 10

SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA They require far the Government bas not received any these items in a very small quantity. So, complaints from any organisation about the it is quite impossible for individual users to shortage of laboratory chemicals. get these items from the foreign countries. They will have to pay the minimum charges SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY: Will the for their cargo. In view of the difficulty Government consider prohibiting the import faced by research laboratories and industry, laboratory chemicals which are indigenously will the hon. Minister review the present manufactured in the country? For example, policy and will restor what was there in the Acetylene black is manufactured in a factory previous year? e in Hageni of BeJlary district and huge quan­ tites of Acetylene black are lying idle becau~e MR. SPEAKER I think I will have to Acetylene from foreign countrie" is imported. over rule you •••... Will the Government think of prohibiting such imports? PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He has not heard it. Let him repeat it. SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : If the indigenous manufacturer is in a position to MR. SPEAKER: In the meantime why manufacture suficient quantity to meet the full don't you take a furlough 7 You have taken demand then there is no question of impor­ too long. This is the first day and I shall ting at all. Wherever there j" shortage and just Jet it pass. Please for God's sake, next where t~re is demand to that extent we time, you put a supplementary. have to think of importing such laboratory (Interruptions) chemicals under the OGL and wherever there is shortage intermittently to that extent MR. SPEAKER : Not allowed. these chemicaJs arc canalised. Only when there are not enough quantities to satisfy (Interruptions) the demand, then only importing IS anowed. We do not want to resort to indiscriminate MR. SPEAKER: I do not know whether importing. your question wiIJ be as specific as the first one. PROF. P.l. KURIEN: As an example. we have got enough capacity to produce formic acid in . While on the one SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: So far as hand very large qUantitie'i of formic acid laboratory chemicals are concerned, they are is being allowed to be imported, our capacity fine chemicals and they are required in small is idling. In Kerala there IS a factory quantity ; and many la boralory chemicals are producing formic acid where large quantities reserved for manufacture by small scale in­ are lying idle. Therefore, will the dustry. Therefore, it is not possible to find Government exempt the import of formic out what is the production and what is the acid? demand. So far as the demand of labora­ SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : 1 require tory chemicals is concerned, there is absolu­ notice for this because. I do not have the tely no complaint whatsoever. The CSIR information. are doing a lot of research, but they have informed that CSIR laboratories have not [Translation] faced any difficulty in acquiring chemicals DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR TRIPATHI: for research purposes of the requisite quantity I want to know from the hon. Minister either iudigenously or through import ; whether Government propo~e to stop import and these laboratory chemicals arc put on of Ethylene glycol and whether there is a OOL. Earlier, there was a limit of finance. proposal under the considerat ion of Govern­ also. Every user has to import only a ment to manufacture it indigenously as we particular amount of laboratory chemicals, have huge quantity of molasses available Even that Jimit a]50 has been waived. with us for its manufacture?

Anybody, if he wants laboratory chemi­ SHRI VE~RENDRA PATIL : We do cals to be imported, then under O,G.L. he is not have sufficient alcohol to manurac­ ~t I,bcrf¥ t'? ilQPQrt an)' qU{lntity. )Jut sq H~r~ al90hQl ba~ed Items indigcQOllsJr. 11 Oral Answers JULY 23, 1985 Oral Answers 12

As such, there i. a shortage of alcohol-based SHRI VEERENDRA PAT)L : Four ,as­ products and hence we have to import them. based factories are proposed to be set up in Uttar Pradesh. Of these, Letters of Intcot Setting up of Fertilizer Factories in U.P have been issued to three of them. Letter during Seventh Plan of Intent to the fourth is yet to be iSSUed. *2 SHRI KAMLA PRASAD RAWAT : The information which I have regarding tbe WiJI the Minister of CHEMICALS AND gas-based fertilizer projects in Uttar Pradesh FERTILIZERS be pleased to state • includes IFFCO AonJa Project. The expec­ ted date of commencement of this project is (a) the number of fertilizer factories p~o­ 1.10. 1984 and it is progressing accordinl to posed to be set up during the Seventh FIve the schedule. The second is IndO-Gulf Year Plan; Fertilizer Corporation. They are setting up a gas- based fertilizer Company at Jagdishpur (b) ths number of fertilize~ fa~tor.ies pro­ and its commencement date is 1•. ~.85. The posed to be set up in U.P. mdlcatlDg the work on this project has started and it is names of places earmarked therefore; also progresing according to the schedule. Similarly, there is another project to be set . (c) whether Government propose ~o ~et up at Baburala in U.p., letter of intent for p a fertilizer factory in Barabanki Dlstrlct which has heen issued and the work on which f U.P. also; will commence soon. A gas-based fertilizer project at Shahjahanpur awaits clearance and (d) if so, when; and I think, that too wiJ] be cJeared within a (e) if not, the reasons therefor? month. But, its date of commencement is 1.4.86. [English] Thus, I think, the work on the fertiJizer projects sanctioned for Uttar Pradesh, will THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS commence as per the schedule. AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI SHRI KAMLA PRASAD RAWAT: VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (e).- A Mr Speaker. Sir, I want to know whether statement is aiven below: there is any proposaJ to set up a fertilizer STATEMENT factory in Barabanki during the Seveth Five Year Plan as agriculture is the only means (a) and (b). Eleven new fertilizer, facto- of livelihood for the people of that area? ries advance action in respect of which had star~ed in the Sixth Plan period, are expected SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: The to be established during the Seventh Plan Seventh Five Year Plan has not yet been period, Of these, four fertilizer factories finalized. Therefore, it is very difficult to would be set up in Uttar Pradesh, one each say at this stage how many fertilizer projects at Bareilly, Sultanpllr, Badaun and Shahjahan­ can be or would be included in that Plan. pur Districts. SHRI BALRAM SINGH YADAV: (c) to (e) . Number and locations of Mr. Speaker, Sir, through you, I want to new fertilizer factories, implementation of know from the hon. Minister the criteria for which will commence during the Seventh selecting the site for setting up of a fertilizer Five Year Plan, can be decided only after plant. the Seventh Plan has been finalised. [English} [Translation] SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: The SHRI KAMLA PRASAD RAW AT: I criteria is that the demand of fertiliser is would like to know the time by which these growing in the country and the production four factories in Uttar Pradesh would is not as per the demand, So, there is a commence production and the likel), ~xpen- shortfall. We are importina large quantities ~iturc to be incurred on them? . pf fertilj~er~ from other countrie$. 'n or~ef t 3 Oral Answ~ts SR.AVANA, 1, 1901, (SAKA.) Oral Answers 14

to beeome self-sufficient it is necessary to NAWAL KISHORB SHARMA): At present, set up fertiliser plants. there is no such proposal. [Translation] SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO: In view of the fact that the Govern­ MR. SPEAKER: The mines of Saladi­ ment is spending thousands of crores of pur, Rajasthan are completely ready for ex­ rupees in constructing the pipeline to supply ploitation. They may also be included. the gas to several fertiliser units that are [English] proposed to be set up at very very far off places, and here in the instant case a large SHRI AMITABH BACHCHAN: May quantity of gas is available as has already I know whether it is a rac t that sanction has been proved with the explorations, will the been granted for the expansion of the ferti­ Government now examine a proposal to set liser factory in Phulpur If so, what are the up a petro-chemical complex just on the steps being taken to Implement that? Hne of Nagathana in ? It is SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: Regar­ in the national interest that huge quantities ding Phulpur I do not have the detail and of natural gas is available in the Krishna I require notice. Godavari basin. SHRI S. : Have we to SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: thump the desks for breaking his long With regard to the question of examining ~ilence? the setting up of a petro-chemical project in MR. SPEAKER: Have you got any Andhra Pradesh in the Krishna-Godavari basin, it is not true that a large quantity of objection? gas is avilable there. In fact. the geological SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: I have no reserves of gas in this basin as on 1.1.84 objection to his silence. are estimated at about 5 billion cubic metres. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: Of WIth this quantity of gas has so far been the l' gas based fertihscr fdctories to be assessed, it is not possible to set up a petro­ taken up in the Seventh Plan, whether chemical project. If and when we are able Andhra Pradesh is considered as one of them to find out larger amount of proven gas because of the fact tbat enough gai is availa­ availability, then certainly at that stage this ble in the Krishna-Godavari basin? question can be considered, but that will depend on many other considerations. SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: In Andhra Pradesh licence has been gi ven for SHRI V. SOBHANADREESWARA RAO: the production of urea to the State Industrial At the time when the Government of Andhra Development Corporation. And the Jetter Pradesh asked for the supply of natural, of intent has already been given for the pro­ gas, they were told by the ONGC that duction of DAP. Unfortunately, so far the Rs 900 per 1,000 cubic metres will have to progress has been very unsatisfactory. I be paid for the same, but the Government of know that there is a demand. If the State Andhra Pradesh requested the Government Government pushes through these two pro­ of India to supply this gas at the same rate jects and bring them to a particular shape, at which it was being suPt"lied to the Govern­ certainly we will see whether it will be possi­ ment of Maharashtra for the units proposed ble to have one or two more included. and set up by the Government of Maharashtra. I would like to know whether the Setting up of Petro-Chemical Complex in ONGC will supply gas to the Andhra Pra­ Krishna-Godavari Basin desh also at some price. *3 SHRI. V. SOBHANADRBBSWARA SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: RAO : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM As I holvc said, the reserves of gas are 5.5 be pleased to state whether Government pro­ billion cubic metres and these are yet to be pose to set up a Pelro-Chemical Complex in assessed. The total availability is not Krishna-Godavari basin, based on natural sufficient for setting up a petro-chemical gas as its feedstock, as is proposed at project. Therefore, the question of supply· Nagathane in Maharashtra ? ing las at a particular rate does not arise. THB MINISTBR OF STATE OF THB However, the Andhra Pradesh Government MINISTRY OF PBTROLEUM (SHRI has moved the petroleum Ministry foc supply 1S Oral Answers JULY, 23, 1985 Oral AnswtJrs 16 of gas for a power unit, turbo-generating SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: set, which is being examined. I think it is roughly 320 billion cubic metre. I do not exactly remembe r but it SHRI R.P. DAS : Sir, I very, much is nearly that much. support the proposal of Shri Rao regarding setting up of a petro-chemical complex in MR. SPEAKER : That is all right. Krishna-Godavari basin. In this connection, SHRI NAWAL KISHQRE SHARMA: would like to know whether the Government I require a separate notice for tbat. will ensure supply of nepthd to the tune of [Translation] six Jakhs metric tonne annually to the SHRI MUKUL WASNIK I want to Haldia petro-chemical project yrhich is being know from the hon. Minister what the route of set up in the joint sector, a decision on the proposed gas pipe line from Bombay high which has been taken recently. to Mathura would be? will it reach Mathura SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: via Marathwada, vidarbha and Madhya I am happy to learn that the We~t Bengal Pradesh or will it pass through Gujarat ? Government is proposing to set up tbe SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: Haldia petro-chemical project in the joint Although this question is not related to the sector. As and when there is need. we will main question, yet I w0uld like to infrom try to meet the demand if possible. him that it would reach Mathura via [Translation] Gujarat. SHRIMATI KRISHNA SAHI: Mr. [English] Speaker, Sir I want to know from the hone Recommendations of Export Committee Minister whether the central Government on tyre Industry have given approval to the setting up of caprol­ actam up in Bihar under the petro-chemical *4. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: group of induitries1 If so, the details Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND regarding its progress and the time by COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: which the work will commence? Ca) Whether Government propose to take any action on the recommendations of SHRl NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: expert committee on the tyre industry ; and Mr. Speaker, Sir ~o far as my information (b) if so, the details thereof? goes, government have. perhaps, given the approval for caprolactam and when approval THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE bas been given, it IS hoped the work would MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMP­ start soon. ANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY [English] OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ): (a) and (b). SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Sir, wiJI (Recommendations of the Satya pal Committe) the hon. Minister tell the House as to what are under ex.amination of the Government. are the estimated gas stocks at Bombay High to feed the six gas-based fertilizer [Translation] plants on the HBl pipeline? I am putting SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: If this question with a view to finding out we go by tbe number, There arc a dOZCD whether there is such a possibility in big Companies manufacturing tyres, but 70 Krishna-Godavari basin. per cent of the market is being controlled by four companies at present. The price SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: or a tyre which stood at Rs. 3,S60, on 1st The gas availability for the SIX fertilizer October, 1984, has shot up to Rs. 4,160 on plants which are comin~ up, is sufficient to 1st January, 1985,1.6,. an increase of Rs. 600 meet the demand of these fertilizer plants. But that is not the case with regard to the in there months. Thereafter, an inctease of 9 per cent was registered in March. Thus, Krisbna·Godavari basin. They arc raising the price arbitrarily and SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY : For Government have no control on them. Krishna-Godavari basin you have given the Government convene a meeting of the figure as 5.5 billion cubic metres. What about manufacturers and they say yes to the Bombay High ? 4irectives of Governm~nt but raise the prices SRA VANA 1. 1907 (SAKA) Oral A,1Uwers is the next day. An expert Committee was ( InterruptlolU) CODstituted for this purpose, but its report The only course open to us to have a bas not come before us. The dealers of check on the prices of tyres is to persuade tyres are feeling so concerned over this price­ tyre manufacturers not to charge unreasona- rise that tbey have tbreatened to launcn an ble prices ...... (Interruptions) ...... Let me agitation. I want to know the recommen­ complete my reply. Sir, there is another dations of the expect committee and the course open to government and that is to impediments having faced by Government Essential Commodities Act. Action can be iminplementing them? taken under this Act. .. (Interruptions). We have MR. SPEAKER: Also ask whether the got another course also ...... (Interruptions) ~eport will be plac"d before the House. we can also consider that option, but that SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: may lead to other difficuties also. We want [f you permit me, I shall place tbe main to exercise control in such a way that it may recommendations of the Committee on the result in actual benefits to the consumers. Table of the House, I can also read them SHRI BHAOWAT JHA AZAD: The out, but it wiU take more time. hOD. Minister bas said that it is not possible for government to do so. Then, are these MR. SPEAKER : You place them on muIti·millionaire tyre producers beyond the the T .lble of the House. But you tell the control of Government. The second point ~ouse whether they are going to be of any usc. is that it was only at the end that he realised SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: I that there was the Essential Commodities Ishall place these recommendations on the Act also. I want to know how many times Table of the House with your permission. government have invoved this Act against It is the endeavour of government to exercise these millionaires who fleece the people oC control over the prices. For this purpose, this countr} by raising the prices of tyres. after the last Budget, Government Tried to [English] bring the prices back to the old level by holding meetings at various levels wjth the THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS tyre manufacturers. . But, since Government AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY have no control over the prices of raw AND COMPANY AFFAIRS : (SHRI material used in the manufacture of tyres, it VEERENDRA PATIL) : Whenever there is has not been pos'iible to control the prices increase in the price of tyre, the Minister of tyres. But, as I hav~ already said, we goes into this in order to find out whether are mlking efforts at different levels so as to there is any justification for the increase and keep the prices under control. many a time we refer this matter to the BICP for study, which is supposed to be an expert SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT.: body going into the question off cost of prod.. Government want that the lyres should be uction and margin of profit and all that I m~y made available at old prices, but they are inform for the information of the House that unable to do so. 80 far as raw materials are concerned which I want to know what steps Government goes into the production of tyres, one is propose to take in this regard? What we or natural rubber, another is synthetic rubberp you want would not help. I want to know third is nylon tyre cord, carbon black, poly.. What steps are proposed to be taken to make butadinne rubber, etc. The price of these tyres available at old prices. raw materIals has gone up considerably. I SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN: can quote tbe instances. In October 1983 The exercise of control On prices or the one increase took place. And then increase current price of a commodity in the market in some tyre price took place in ] 984 once and is a continuous process and government are again iD February, 1985 and after the present engaged in it. The bon Minister of Industry Budget there bas been one increase. (Interrup­ particulary emphasized. This point in the tiOM). I am giving the comparative figures Development Council of tyre manufactures bow the prices of raw materials have lone that the prices of tyres should Dot be allowed UP. to rise steeply. The Secretary in the Depart­ SHRI : That ment of Industry has also ...•..... we know. 1~ Ora/ Answer, JULY, 23, 1985 Oral Answers ~

(Interruptions) to increase the price and after getting the MR. SPEAKER: Order, order. report, we have a dialogue with tbe manu.. facturers. In May 1983 when they wanted to PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Mr. Speaker, increase the price and they increased the Sir, please allow Half-an-hour discussion on price, we prevailed upon the manufacturers this. to roll back the price Similarly, we do this MR. SPEAKER: We shall see. We can exercise and even after that if tbey do not allow another discussion. Don't worry. listen to that and if they are taking an unjust We shall take care; we shall see. stand, then we have alreaey made it clear to SHRI VEBRENDRA PATIL: Let me that extent ...... complete. If they are not satisfied, they can ask supplementary. ( Interrupt ions) Regarding synthetic rubber, the price in SHRI BHAGAWAT JHA AZAD : I October 1983 was Rs 19,000 per tonne. In am asking what are the steps being taken to April, 1985, it was Rs. 34,490. That is reduce the price. (Interruption1i'). I have 29 per cent increase. Regarding nylon tyre asked whether the Essential Commodities Act cord, in October 1983, the price was has been used to bring down the price. That Rs. 78,430. In April 1985 it was Rs, 94,750. is not answered. On the other hand, the It was 21 per cent increase. Regarding Government is giving exhaustive justIfication carbon black, in October 1983, the price for the increase of price. was Rs. 13,860. In April, 1985, it was (Interruptions) Rs. 16,500, That is, 19 per cent increase. Regarding Butyle Rubber, in October, 1983, SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: The ques­ the price was Rs. 29,850. In April, 1985, tion of exercising the powers under the Essen­ it was Rs. 41,170. The increase is 38 per tial Commodities Act will arise only when cent. Regarding polybutadinne rubber, in they are justified in increasing the price. October, 1983, it was Rs. 16,600. (Interrup­ (Interruptions). Sir, I have not completed. tions) There are the raw materials which (Interruptions). I was saying that we are are required to produce the tyres. When prepared to exercise our powers under the the price is increased in respect of the raw Essential Commodities Act when we are material, then, naturally, it will have its re­ convinced that the increase in the price is not flection on the end product. justified. (Interruptions). SHRI BHAGAWAT JHA AZAD: Even In addition to that ... (Interruptions). If Modi cannot argue so well for the justifica­ you have patience. I will reply to all your tion of increase in the price. queries. (Interruptions) In addition to that there is excise duty and if any commodity is imported, there is MR. SPEAKER: That is not the customs duty. Not only there is excise duty way. on all the raw materials which go into the production of tyre, but there is also excise SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: Sir, in order to convince ourselves whether they duty on tyre. The excise duty on tyre is were justified or not we asked the BICP to 66 per cent. And again percentage-wise I make a study, In the Jigbt of the study by will tell you the duty. BICP, if we feel tbat they are not justified, The duty on natural rubber is SO per then we call them. I quoted an instance cent, on synthetic rubber it is 122 per cent that in May 1983 we called them, we asked the duty on nylon tyre cord is 200 per cent, them to roll back the price and they alreed the duty on polybutadienne rubber is 88 per and they rolled back the price. Now, the cent, and the duty on carbon black is 143 Question is about the recent increase. We per cent. So, after taking all these consi­ are examining. I have already asked BICP to derations into account, when they increase conduct a quick study and make a report to the price of raw tyres, we ask the BICP to me and in this connection I have already looik into that to find out whether they are had a detailed discussion with the manu­ justified in increasing the price and if they facturers. In Bombay I even went to tbe eX­ are justified, to what extent tbey are justified tent of threatening them. That way, tyre is 21 Oral Answ~rs SRA VANA I, 1907 (S..4KA) Oral A,1UWers 22

under OGL. Anybody who feels that the possible for the Government to control input , tyre price is more than the international prices also. Sometimes it becomes difficult price, he is at liberty to import the tyre. It is for us to control the input prices. I am under OGL. giving an instance. Raw material that goes (Interruptions) into the production of tyre is synthetic rubber" nylon tyre cord, carbon black butyl PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, rubber etc. ·There are all petroleum based the hon. Minister provided the rationale for products. When petroleum prices go up be­ the tyre manufacturers to increase the prices cause of the duty or because of the increase of tyre on the basis that the prices of inputs in the price of petrol or anything like that have gone uP. I want to put a concrete then how is it possi ble for me to control question to the Minister: Is it the duty of the prices? They are all petroleum based this Government only to control and regulate products. That is the difficulty. Where the the prices of finished products or is it not prices of petroleum product has gone uP. their duty also to control tbe prices of tbe naturally it will have its reflections on the inputs that are required for the manufacture product which is produced out of that. of the finic;hed products? And if you have a dual respon~ibi1ity, I would like to know, PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I did over a long period what steps have been not get a clear cut answer. There are a taken by the Government to see that the in­ number of countries in which as far as the put prices are not allowed to rise so that inputs are concerned, they are devised alter­ they will not be able to justify the increase in nate method by whiCh sometimes a product the price of tyre? I want a concrete answer can be made even taking the alternate sources to that. or raw materialc; in order to see that the SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: Input actual price of the product is regulated or price') also sometimes rise and they are be- at least reducod beyond the particular limit. yond our control. For instance ...... If that is possibe in other countries, why ir (Interruptions) it that our Government does not attempt that particular Procedure and control the (Interruptions) prices of inputs so that the price of tyre will MR. SPEAKER: Listen to him. not go up? SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : They are not listening. SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : I shall be (Interruptions) happy if the hOD. Member enlightens on this point that raw materials other than petroleum MR. SPEAKER: There has to be ibased products can be used for manufactur­ some answer. Let him finish. ng tyres and there are other routes, also. (Interruptions). In that case, I am prepared to sit with him, MR. SPEAKER : Order, order. , am prepared to go into it and entrust this SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: For in­ work to an expert body. stance, synthetic rubber. MR. SPEAKER: Dr V. Venkatesh. (Interr'uptions) SHRI : Let there be MR. SPEAKER: Please listen now. haIf-an-hour discussion. SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL: For God"s sake, I am requesting the Members to listen MR. SPEAKER: We shall see it later on. to me. I .have allowed more than 15 minutes for this PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Not oue Question. for God's sake, but for your sake I want to SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: There should know. be a discussion. (Interruptions ) MR. SPEAKER: Let him finish please. MR. SPEAKER: Might be, But the Let us see it. Let us hear the rationale. Question. is a question, It cannot be a discussioD. SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD: You please see it for consumers sake. SHRI BHAGWAT JHA AZAD: We can have half-an-hour discussion. SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL : The hOD. Me~bCfr wanted to know whotllel' it is no, MR. SPEAKER ; We will ~, 23 Oral Answers .JULy 23, 1985 Oral Answus 24

Participation of Private Companies in THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV Karnal Refinery GANDHI) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, the hon. Member seems terribly confused between the .5. DR. V. VENKATESH: Will the terms "privatisation" and "Indianisation". Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to Neither of the terms implies any foreign state : element coming in. I think, he should just think about what he has asked first. (a) whether any decision has been taken for implementing the Karnal Refinery DR. V. VENKATESH : Sir. I Jearn that Project; the private agency is coming forward and tbat agency is going to raise money from (b) whether some private companies are outside the country. What does it mean? I likely to be included with a view to getting wanted to know that. the project implemented under joint venture; and (Interruptions)

(c) if so, the details thereof and reasons PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Will for including private ~ector industries/com­ you kindly repeat what the Prime Minister panies in the same? has said?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA: MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI As the Prime Minister hac_; right1y said, I have NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA~: (a) to (c). to answer the question of my friend with Government are exploring the possibility regard to multi-nationals. In fact, we- had in of implementing the Karnal Project in principle decided to set up Manga10re and the context of the constraint on Karnal refineries in the Seventh Five Year resources in the public sector. Some Plan. But unfortunatcly there is constraint private partiec; have shown interest in parti­ of resources for public sector and in view of cipating in joint ventures and the matter is this, we have to find funds for either Manga­ under consideration. lore or Karnal or abandon them both. It is with this view that the alternatives are DR. V. VENKATESH : Mr. Speaker, being looked into. Some of the private Sir, the answer actually gives a different parties have shown interest in funding the version here. What i~ the idea behind this? Karnal and Mangalore refineries. But as I At the formation of the projectc; like Karnal said in my reply, this matter is at a very Refinery and Mangatore Refinery. their preliminary stage and, therefore, the accusa­ feasibility reports were very fine. When the tion that the multi-nationals are invited is question of implementation comes, then this not correct. It is a question of finding finance constraint is coming in the way. resources for these two very important Now the private agencies are coming forrwad projects which are required in the larger and you are telling us that you are appro­ interests of the country. It has to be decided aching the private agencies. as in what way the funding has to be made.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, during the former DR. V. VENKATESH : My second Prime Minister"s period, they were all very supplementary is that in order to overcome much interested in seeing Indianisation of the financial constraints, the Government these industries and all that. Now, I have can go on implementing the Projects Stage got a doubt about it in the new Prime by Stage, in stages without inviting Minister's policy. I wanted to know why privatisation. this privatisation is going on, there-by it is really going to be almost a multi-national SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA participation in this country. I wanted to Whether we go stage by stage quickly or know the clear cut policy of the Govern­ slowly, it is a question of finding resources. ment of India with regard to the implemen­ Whether we delay or expedite it, it is a tation of these industrie& "od their projeCls question of money and unless the finding i, in this c;:ountry. made. nothin. can ~ done. 25 Oral An swers SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA)

SHRI CHIRANJI LAL SHARMA : requisite power to gUide the policy and Will th~ hon. Minister kindly Itt the House control the operations of the under- know if land for Karnal refinery has actually taking." been acquired and the compensation of Rs. 5 crores has been paid by the Govern­ So, accordina to 1956 Industrial Policy ment and will the hon. Minister assure the Resolution also, jf the Government, in the House that the Karna) refinery is not being larger interests thinks it, then, with this rider shelved or dropped? jt can have joint venture.

SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA : Yes. Land has been acquired and compen­ sation has been paid. But so far as the question of shelving the Karnal refinery is WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS concerned, I would not have to comment anything The Government is trying to find [English} ways means to see that Karnal refinery comes up. Telex Line. aDd Telephoae Es:cbaDPI SHRI S. M. GURADDJ: Is it not a with French Asslltrmce fact that Karna) and Mangalore refineries also be started from public sector only is, ·6. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI : Will Government only? the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state PROF. N. G. RANGA: Where is the money to come from? (a) whether Government have a pro.. posal to install some telex lines and tele­ MR. SPEAKER: That has already been phone exchanges with French assistance; answered. Please put some other question. (b) if so, the number of telephone SHRI S. M. GURADDI : We are going exchanges and telex line proposed to be back to the original idea that is, we have installed in the country with French committed ourselves socialistic to pattern of assistance; society.

~R. SPEAKER: That has already been (c) the name of the French firm supply .. answered. Is there any other question, ing equipments to India; and please? (d) the year in which such telephone SHRI S. M. GURADDI : If any new equipments are going to be imported from industry is to be started in the country this France? year, it will be in the public sector only. Therefore, I would like to know whether our THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Prime Minister is interested to start these MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS refineries in the public sector or not? (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes Sir. Local telephone and Trunk auto­ SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA matic exchanges have been proposed to be Though I have stated that is it at a preJimi­ installed with French Assistance but not nary stage, but I would like to inform the telex exchanges. hon. Member that the 1956 Industrial Policy Resolut;on, though includes mineral oil in (b) 23 telephone exchanges and 16 Trunk Schedule •At but the same Resolution also Automatic Exchanges. states, I would read for the benefit of the House: (c) Mis CIT ALCATEL, France.

"Whenever cooperation with private enter­ (d) Telephone exchanges imported prises is necessary, the State will ensure dUring 1983 and 1984. Trunk automatic either through majority participation in exchanges being imported d\lrins 1985 and the capit~l 9r otheJ'wi$~, thPl it has the 1986, 27 Writt,,, A",.", JULY 2.3, 1915 Written AlUWer.r 28

Mamd'ad1Ire of MIraJe ... 2000. MaDpiore ReftDery JD Kamataka .7. SHRI CHITIA MAHATA : *9. SHRI H. N. NANJE GOWDA: SHRI O. G. SWELL: . SHRI o. S. BASAVARAJU:

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be to state: pleased to state:

(a) whether Government are considering (a) whether there is a proposal under to exercise the opti on to manufacture the consideration of Government to start Mirage-2000 in the near future; the Mangalore Refinery in Karnatak

(b) if so, the details thereof; and (b) if so, whether Government are aware that the Chairman of the Hindustan (c) if not, the reasons for our foregoing Petroleum Corporation recently made a to manufacture these aircraft in India? press statement in Bangalore and denied it;

MINITSER OF DEFENCE (SHRI P. (c) if so, whether Government are also V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) to (c). An aware that the former Minister of Petroleum agreement for procurement of 40 Mirage- had assured on the floor of the House that 2000 aircraft, together with associated the Mangalore Refinery would be started supplies, was concluded with the French soon; manufacturers in 1982. An option was also retained for possible indigenous manufacture (d) if ~o, the latest position of Govern. of these aircraft. Subsequently, Government ment in this regard; and decided not to exercise this option on techno­ economic considerations. (e) when the MangaJore Refinery will start functioning? IDtrusloD of Pakistani Combat PlaDes iDte Indian Territory THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTR Y OF PETROLEUM (SHRI *8. SHRI MURLIDHAR MANE : NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to (e). SHRI K. RAMACHANDRA REDDY: Government have undc:r consideration a proposal to set up a refinery at Mangalore Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased in State of a capacity of six to state: million tonnes per annum. However, during the exercise made for financing of the VII (a) whether the attention of Government Plan, it was noticed that the shortfall of has been drawn to the press report regarding resources for public sector outlays in the recent intrusion by a number of Pakistani Plan was actina as a constraint. I had also combat planes into Indian territory on a an occasion to refer to this constraint of photo mapping mission; resources in this House in reply to supple­ mentaries on Starred Question No. 649 on (b) if so, the reaction of Government 30th April, 1985. Government are, therefore, thereto; and exploring other avenues for financing projects like the MangaJore Refinery. Some (c) whether the matter has been taken private parties have shown interest in patti. up with the Government of Pakistani and if cipting in a joint venture. The matter is so, with what results? under consideration.

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI The Chairman, P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) YOSt Sir. Corporation Limited in a routine press conference had, no doubt. referred to tho (b) and (c). The matter has been taken absence of provision in public sector outlays up with the Government of Pakistani to in the Plan for his company for the Manga­ refrain from such activities. lore Refinery. 29' Written Anlwer.r SRAVANA t, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answel $ 30

Fjghtina betweea IDcl1a and Paldstan (b) Yes, Sir. in Ladakh

*1 C.SHRI JAGANNATH PATNAIK: (c) Petrofils Cooperative Limited's SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: Nylon Filament Yarn Unit has been approved for being set up in the State of Gujarat. Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased However, a separate industrial licence has to state: been issued to Kerala State Industrial Development Corporation for setting up a (a) whether ther~ had been fierce fighting Nylon Filament Yarn Unit in the State of with heavy casualties between India and Kerala. Pakistan for control of the strategic Salchen Glacier at a::l Altitude of 18,000 ft. in Chemical Industries In 0 rllsa Ladakh;

(b) if so, the details thereof; and *12. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILI­ (c) whether any protest has been made ZERS be pleased to state: by Government of India in thIS regard?

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (a) the number of chemical industries P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) and (b). set up at different places in Orissa~ There have been some incidents of firing and attempts by Pakistani troops to dis­ (b) the names of those Industries; lodge our troops from positions in the Siachen Glacier area. These incidents have resulted in some casualties on both sides. (c) whether some of those chemical industries have not taken adequate pollution (c) Yes, Sir, control measures; and

Setting up of Nylon Unit in Kerala (d) if so, the action taken and fresh guidelines sent to those industries? *11. SHRI V. S. VlJAYARAGHAVAN: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: THE MINISrER OF CHEMICALS & FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND (a) whether the Petrofils Cooperative COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA Ltd., an undertaking under this Ministry, PATIL): (a) and (b). proposes to set up a nylon unit; Name of the major Name of the (b) whether any request has been made chemical industries Chemical by Kerala Government that this unit be set up in Kerala; and in the organised sector in Orissa (e) if so, the deciiion of Government thereon? 1. East Coast Fertilizers SulphUric THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE and Chemicals Ltd., Acid MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI At/PO : Katma NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, Sir. Dist : Mayurbhanj 31 Writt.II AlfSWeri JULY 23, 1985 Writle n Answers 32

2. Jayshree Chemicals Caustic Soda Maaufac:ture aod Marketing of Drugs and Ltd., and Sulphuric Fertilizers

At/PO : Ganjam Acid *13. SHRI MOHD. MAHFOOJ ALI Dist : Ganjam KHAN: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: Pulp and 3. Orient Paper Mills (a) whether it has recently been detected Ltd., Paper and by Government that a large number of drugs and formulations are being manufac­ At/PO: Brajrajnagar Caustic Soda tured and marketed in the country by foreign Dist : Sambalpur and public sector units withont any valid approval; 4. Orissa Chemicals Ltd., Sodium (b) if so, the details thereof; and Orichem Ltd., Dichromate PO : Talcher (C) the action taken by Government in this regard? Dist : Dhenkanal THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS S. Indian Carbide & Calcium AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY Chemicals Ltd., Carbide AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (c). On a A-I, 13th Floor, scrutiny of the data received from Drugs Chatterjee Companies in connection with their appli­ cations for recognition/reendorsement of International Centre, capacity, it was noticed that 432 items were 33A, lawharlal Nehru being manufactured by 29 companies with industrial approvals of doubtful validity. Road, An Inter-Ministerial Working Group Calcutta-700071 (IMWG) was set up in 1982 to go into the question of production of drugs without valid Factory address- industrial approvals and to suggest the Asanbani Rairangpur, possible lines of action that may be taken. Mayurbhanj The constitution of IMGW was considered necessary because of many reasons such as wide-spread nature of the prob tern, produc­ 6. Indian Rare-Earths Synthetic tion for a long time and the possibility of Oscom Site Rutile hardship being caused to the patients if production of some of the formulations is P.O. Chattrapur- stopped. The IMWG has since submitted 761045 Dist. Ganjam its report. The Government have yet to take a final decision on the recommt:nda­ (c) and (d). The control and the tions of the IMWG. adequacy of the pollution control measures taken by tbe industries in the state of Oris.sa [Translation] is the concern of the Orissa State (Prevention Delimitation 01 coDltitueneiea and Control of Pollution) Board which monitors the effluents emitted by the indus.. *14. SHRI R.M. BHOYE: Will the Minister tries and suggests suitable measures for their of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: rectification. The Govt. of India have also issued fresh guidelines to ensure protection (a) whether certain recommendations to health and safety of workers through regarding delimitation of constituencies have suitable implementation. inter-alia, of been received from the Chief Election pollution control measures. Commissioner; and 33 JV,ltt.,. ,4,.swerl SRAVANA I, 1907 (S.4KA) W,itten Answers 34

(b) if so, the details thereof? Hissar is a family station and there is no proposal under consideration to change its status. THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE: (SHRI A.K. SEN): (a) The Election lDdaItrial lIceaIiDl policy and shlftlug of Commission had formulated certain propo­ TELCO'. commercial vehicle plaDt to Uttar sals in 1981 regarding delimitation of consti­ Pradelh tuencies. Recently when Government had occasion to review the mattcr on its own *16. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Will the and consulted the Commission, it has rci­ Minister of INDUSTR.Y AND COMPANY terated its earlier proposals. AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

(b) The proposals are: that Articles (a) what is the Government's present 82 and 170 (3) of Constitution may be industrial licensing policy; amended so that while the total number of the seats allotted to (b) whether it is a fact that Govern­ various States in the House of the people ment arc bringing pressure on the industrial­ and to the various State Legislative Assem­ ists to divert their establishments and not blies may remain unaltered, the original to set up industries in certain States; position of fresh delimitation of Parlia­ mentary and Assembly Constituencies in (c) if so, the reasons thereof; and each State and Union Territory after every decennial Census is restored so that adminis­ (d) if not, how the TELCO's (Tata trative changes and other factors like Engineering and Locomotive Company's) growth in population, urbanization, proposed commercial vehicle plant is being industrialisation etc is taken into account shifted from Karnataka to Uttar Pradesh? in carrying out uniformly viable constituen­ cies; that after each general election the THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS seats reserved for Scheduled Castes should AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY be rotated within a district or any other AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI suitable administrative unit in a State so VEERBNDRA PATIL) : (a) The Industrial that a seat does not remain reserved for Licensing Policy is governed by the Indus­ more than a few stipulated years at a time. trial Policy Statement made in Parliament by the Minister of State for Industry in July, 1980. [English] (b) No, Sir. Declaration of Hlasar at FamiJJ Station for Army (c) Does not arise in view of (b) above.

*15. SHRI PRATAPSINGH BAGHEL: (d) TELCO's application dated 12.9. Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 1983 for a licence for setting an unit in to state: Uttar Pradesh was considered and a Letter of Intcnt was issued to the company. The com­ (a) whether Government intend to pany's subsequent application dated 10.4.1984 review their decision about Hissar beiDl for settina up another unit in Karnataka declared a family station for the Army; and was also considered by the Government and the company was informed that it may not be possible to consider the request as (b) if so, when the final decision is adequate capacity for manufacture of likely to be taken? COl1lll101'Cial vehi~lcs had already been appro­

veel. However J the company was given an THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI opportunity to state their case before a P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): <8> and (b). tinal decision is taken by Government on js Written Answers JULY 2.1, 1985 Written Answers )~ their application. The company did not CUitODI Duty structure OD Drug choose to make any representation. Intermediates

The question of shifting of the com­ *18. SHRI'SIDHA LAL MURMU: pany's proposed plant from Karnataka to SHRI ANANDA PATHAK: Uttar Pradesh does not arise as the company had made two separate applications-first Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND in September, 1983 for location in Uttar FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: Pradesh and then in April, 1984 for location (a) whether Government are aware of in Karnataka. the press reports that the Custom Duty structure on drug intermediates is as high Lok Adalat as 135 per cent while on the final drug manuractured from the same intermediates, *17. SHRl RAMASHRAY PRASAD custom duty is 100 per cent; SINGH: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

(a) whether "Lok Adatat U for accident (c) how does this encourage production claims was opened in Bombay by MR. of drugs from intermediate stages? JUSTICE P.N. BHAGWATI, if so, the details thereof; THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY (b) whether Lok Adalat is less expen­ AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI sive than the other coutts in the leaal VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) Yes, sir. system; and (b) and (c). In general imports of bulk drugs carry a basic duty of 60

Oil Drilling in Mahanadl Basin Orissa (a) whether the work on Karnal Refinery, which is being set up to meet the require­ *20. SHRI GIRTDHAR GOMANGO : ment of petroleum prod ucts of Haryana, Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be Punjab, Rajasthan, Jammu and Kashmir and pleased to state : Delhi has stopped because the Planning Commission has not made any provision (a) the funds provid~d during Sixth for it in the Seventh Five Year Plan; Plan for oil drilling in Mahanadi basin. Orissa and progress made so far; (b) if 50, whether any scheme has been chalked out to ensure that the work on this (b) the programmes and projects to be refinery does not stop; taken up during the year 1985-86 and remaining years of Seventh Plan; (c) jf so the details thereof and the time by which the production is likely to be (c) the estimated cost of the projects started there; and and funds to be provided during the year 1985-86; and ' ... (d) whether some foreign parties have (d) the steps taken by his Ministry to shown interest in the new scheme and if so, complete drilling within the stipulated the names thereof? period? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to (d). NA W AL KISHORE SHAR MA); (a) During Government are exploring the possibility the VI Plan, Ltd. spent about of implementing the Karnal Project in the Rs. 144 ctores on exploration in Mapanadi context of the constraint on resources in the Basin. public sector. Some private parties have shown interest in participating in joint In addition to onshore and offshore ventures and the matter is under considera­ seismic s'urveys, 8 offshore wells have been tion. drilled. The last well is under testing. S_lite CoRtlDUDlcatloD System (b) While the programme for the VII Plan is yet to be finalised, during 1985.86, 2. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: Will it is proposed to drill 4 wells. including a the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to part well, with a total metreage of 12,000 state: metres. (a) whether it is a fact that the Oil and (c) The outlay for 1985·86 is about Rs. Natural Gas Commission has decided to 45 crores. introduce a Satellite Communication System for improving the quality reliability and (d) The equipment and services required speed of information under its ambitious for offshore drilling have beoo hired _d communication prOirammc; and 39 Writteu Answ.rs JULY 23, IriS Written A.nIWerl 40

(b) if so, the details regardio. the plan (4) Import of Pilocarpine Eye DroPS cost of proposed system and the time by has since been permitted under Open when it is likely to be commissioned? General Licence in the Current Import Policy. The availability of the drug is THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE expected to jmprove shortly. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NA WAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) aDd (b). Demaad for Proetroleum Products The ONGC has an existing Satellite Comuni­ cation System which is proposed to be 4. SHR} GURUDAS KAMAT: Will the expanded. The proposed expansion is at the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to planning stage. It will therefore not be state: possible at this stage to indicate the cost estimates and time for its commissioning. (a) the anticipated demand for petro­ leum products in the country by the end of Shortage of Eye Drup Seventh Plan period;

3. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: (b) whether the indigenous production Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND of crude is expected to meet the growing FFRTILIZERS be pleased to state: demands for petroleum products; and

(a) whether there has been acute short. (c) if not, the steps proposed to be age of eye drugs in the country; and taken by Government to cover the shortfaI1?

(b) if so, the steps taken to remove this THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE scarcity? MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAW AL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) About THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND 54 million tonnes. FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHR} VEERENDRA (b) No, Sir. PATIL): (a) In general, there is no shortage of drugs required in the treatment of eye (c) The shortfall is expected to be met diseases. However, shortage of PiJcocarpine by import of crude and petroleum products. Eye Drops required in the treatment of Glaucoma have been reported to this Setting up of Earth StatiODS for Ensuring Ministry. This is due to persisting acute Emclent Telecommunication Services shortage of the bulk drug Pilocarpine Nitrate inter-nationally. 5. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA­ SHAR: Will th(" Minister of COMMUNI­ (b) The Govt. has taken the following CATIONS be pleased to state: specific steps towards easing the availability of the Pilocarpine Eye Drops: (a) whether Government have planned to set up a number of Earth Stations for (J) The major international producers ensuring efficient telecommunication services of the buJk drug have been approached with the help of satellite in the past three for supply of this scarce material and what­ financial year (1982.83, ]983-84 and 1984-85) ever quantity could be procured has been and the current financial year (1985-86); provided to the indigenous producers of these formulations. (b) jf so, the details of each telecom­ (2) The assistance of World Health munication circle and the name of such Organisation has also been sought in pro­ earth stations as have already started func­ curing the bulk drug and consequently some tionine; material is expected to become available through them. (c) the likely date by which the remainin. stations would start functioning; and (3) MIs Fairdea) Corporation, the major producer or this formulation is regularly (d) the plan for setting up more such being advised to rush stocks to the affected earth stations during the Seventh Five Year areas from whe~ inadequato availability is Plan. circlc-wi~ illclQdin, the cost in each roponed. ~? SRAVANA 1, J907 (SAKA) Wrltt~n Answtrs 42

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) if so, the reasons of delay in anotjng MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS telephone connections; (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir. (c) the latest position of waiting list in this exchange under all categories; and (b) 82-83: NIL (d) by when the applicants registered 83-84: Scheme for 18 numbers earth during the months of March, April and stations was approved for various telecom­ May, 1982 under general category are likely munication circles as foHows; to get their telephone connections ?

North-West Circle 2 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE North-East Circle 4 MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Orissa circle. 1 (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) and Rajasthan circle I (b). No, Sir. Allotment letters have already U.P. Circle. 3 been issued to all the appJicanh registered West Bengal circle. 3 during March, April and May 1982. J. & K. circle 4 (c) As on 30.6 SS, position of this 84-85 Scheme for provision of 10 exchange in Waiting List is given below:- numbers transportable emergency communi­ cation satellite terminal approved. These will OYT-G OYT-S Spl. General be available for provision of emergency 17 ]3 866 nature of communication service in any !"art of the country. 85-86 Scheme for 26 (d) Allotment letters already sent. Tele­ numbers of additional earth stations for phone connections will be provided within North East Tele communication Circle has two months. been approved. Out Put of Crude Oil and Gas from Bombay High (c) 18 nos. earth stations 86-87, 10 nos. emergency 7. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: communication satellite Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be terminals. 86-87 pleased to state : 26 nos. earth stations 87-89 (a) the total out put of crude oil and (d) during the 7th Five Year Plan aas from the Bombay High; period, about 80 earth stations are planned to be set up, including those mentioned at (b) how much is being used by the sub para (b) above. Cost of individual earth industry and how much is being flared; station will very depending upon the require­ ment of services. Detailed estimation of all (c) when will the utilisation reach its schemes is being done progressively. maximum; and New Telephone Connections from Janpatb Telephone Exchange (d) how much will still remain un-used?

6. SHRI H.O. RAMULU: Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Minister of COMMUNICAnONS be pleased MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI to refer to the reply given to U nstarred NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) Crude Question No. 4014 on 23 April, 1985 regard­ oil and gas production from Bomba) High ing new telephone connections from Janpath and sateHite fields during 1984.85 was as Telephone Exchange and state: under:-

(a) whether the applicants on waiting Crude oil - 20.136 million tonnes list reaistered during the months of March, Gas - 4408 million cubic metres. April, and May, 1982 under "Non-OYT General" category pave n{)t yet r~~eiv~Q (b) The details of ,as use for 1984·~~ ~D1 .Uo~mCQt lette;5~ were as "ndCf;" 43 Written A.1I8Werl JULY 23, 1985

(Fi"g. in million cubic metres) (b) if so, the reasons thereof? 1. Supplies to various industries - 2050 2. Internal consumption - 464- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 3. Flaring - 1894 MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a). Du­ (c) and (d). The availability of gas for ring an inspection or rig 'Sagar Pragati' in utilisation would improve by February 1986 April. 1985 some crack~ were noticed on when two additional compressor platforms its legs. (SHd:NQ) are likely to be instaIled and commissioned. Thereafter flaring of gas (b) : The rig is presently awaiting dry would take place only if there is a major docking in Dubai after which the causes shortfall in the upliftment of the committed leading to the development of the cracks quota by the consumers. would be detcrmi ned.

Agreement with Soviet Union for Expansion of Hindustan Fertilizer Exploration of Oil aod gas in India Corporation Unit at Durgapur

8. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Will 10. SHRI PURNA CHANDRA MALIK: the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND to state: FERTILIZERS be p]eased to state:

(a) whether any agreement has been (a) whether there is any proposal for signed with the Soviet Union for the expansion and modernisation of Hindustan exploration of oil and gas in India; Fertilizer Corporation unit at Durgapur;

(b) if so. the details thereof and its (b) if so, the details thereof; and terms and condition; (c) if not, the reasons therefor? (c) the details of the areas likely to be explored by the Soviet Union; and THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY­ (d) when the work is going to start? AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (c). There THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE is no proposal of expansion of Durgapur MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI Unit of Hindustan Fertilizer Corporation NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to (d). Limited (HFC). In accordance with the agreement signed OD May 22, 1985 between India and the Exempting Muslims from Provisions Soviet Union on main directions of eco­ of Common Civil Code nomic, trade aDd scientific and technical cooperation, the Soviet Union will carry 12. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Will out intensive integrated exploration for the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be oil and gas in mutually agreed areas in pleased to state: Cauvery and Cam bay basins by using their own equipment and experts. (a) whether Government have received a large number of representations, memo­ Actual delineation of the areas and randa, letters and telegrams requesting that the work programme to be undertaken (i) the Constitution be amended to exempt are to be decided by mutual discussions Muslims from the provisions of any for which a Soviet team has been invited. common Civil Code affecting their Personal Drilling Rig Sagar Pragati Law, pursuant to article 44 and

9. SHRI R.P. DAS : Will the Minister (ii) sections 125 and 127 of the Criminal of PETROLEUM be pleased to state : Procedure Code be amended to rostore rules of Muslim Personal Law with respect to whether ONGC's prestigio~s drilling maintenance of a divorcee, in view of tho ria Sapr Prasati is sufferin, f~om nearly recent JU~ilQlllent of thQ, ~uprome ~Q\Jrt; ~ ~tas~r~hi~ ~fa~ks; ~4 "n4 . ':t -- t 45 Wr;tt~n A,1I8wsr.t SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Written An.fwrs 4'

(b) if so, Government's reaction thereon? v. Insitu combustion for heavy oil at Lanwa field. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE: vi. Steam flood for heavy oil at Dalol (SHRI H.R. BHARADWAJ): (a) & (b). field. Yes, Sir. It is the policy of the Government not to make any change in the personal vii. LPG flood at Geleki field. laws of the minority communities unless the initiative comes from those communities. Incentives to entrepreneurs In Bidar themselves. Hence no amendmeat to article (Karnataka) 44 of the Constitution is contemplated. 14. SHRI NARSINGRAO SURYA­ So far as representations, memoranda, WANSHI: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY etc. relating to sections 125 and 127 of the AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to Cr. p.C. are concerned, they are being state: considered by the Government. (a) whether any incentives have been Increase in Production of Crude on provided to various entrepreneurs in Bidar, Karnataka after its being declared as "No 13. SHRI SRIBALLAV PANIGRAHI: industry Zone"; and Will the MINISTER OF PETROLEUM be pleased to state : (b) if so, the details thereof?

(a) whether the Oil and Natural Gas THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Commission has made any scheme to invest MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM~ certain amount and enhance oil recovery PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY schemes during the Seventh Five Year OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF Plan period to boost indigenous production MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) and (b). of crude oil ; and The entrepreneurs setting up industries in Bidar District in Karnataka are entitled to (b) if so, the dctai1s reSarding the over-riding priority in grant of Industrial scheme along with the pilot projects where Licences, Central Investment Subsidy @ enhanced oil recovery methods are to be 25 % subject to a maximum of Rs. 2S employed? lakhs, Concessional Finance facilities from All India Term Lending Institutions etc. MINISTER OF ST ATE OF THE The details of various concessions/ incentives MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI provided to entrepreneurs are available NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and in the Booklet on 'Incentives for Industries (b). The outlay and other details regarding in Backward Areas read with Press Note the Enhanced Oil Recovery (EOR) schemes No. 14/2!83-DBA-I dated 9.4.85 copies of to be taken up during the Seventh Five which are available in Parliament Library. Year Plan period by ONGC will be available only after the finalisation of the plan. Grant of Letter of Intent to Gujarat However, in addition to a polymer flood Industrial Investment Corporation pilot project at Sanand field under imple~ mentation, the following EOR pilot projects IS. SHRI AMARSINH RATHAWA: arc likely to be taken up during the 7th Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be Plln period. pleased to state:

i. Polymer flood at Jhalora. (a) whether it is a fact that the Oujarat Industrial Investment Corporation Ii. Iositu combustion pilot for heavy oil was granted a Jetter of intent to let up a at Balol field. Nylon-6 Filament Yarn Project in Gujarat State; and iii. Micellar polymer flood at Ankleshvar field. (b) if so, when the letter of intent was granted and what steps have been tatoo Iv. Carbon dioxide flood at Kalol field, to establish the unit? 47 Written Answers JULY 23, 1985

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE This is subject "to the Hfting/relation of MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI economy orders banning creating of posts. j NAW AL KISHORE SHARMA) (a) and Proposal for ugradation in the year (b). In April 1983 a lettcr of intcnt was 1985-86 in all the 3 divisions is NIL. issued to MIs. Gujarat Industrial Invest­ ment Corporation Ltd. for establishment Waiting List for New Telephone Conoec­ of a new undertaking in Oujarat for tions in Rajouri Garden Telephone manufacture of Nylon Filament Yarn. Exchange Proposals for foreign collaboration and import of capital goods have been approved. 17. SHRI BANWARI LAL BAIRWA: A new company in the name of Mis. Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Gujarat Nylons Ltd. has been incorporated be pleased to state : for implementation of this project. -:rhe letter of intent has been converted into (a) the number of applications on the industrial licence in June 1985. waiting list for telephone connections in the Rajouri Garden telephone exchange; cate­ Opening of New Branch Post Offices in gory-wise; Madhubani, Darbbanga and Samastipur Postal Division of Bihar (b) whether Government propose to install a new telephone exchange in Rajouri 16. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: garden; Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : (c) if so, the number of lines to be added and what will be the criteria for (a) the total number of branch and allotment of telephone connections; upper grade post offices (as on 1~1-1985) in Madhubani, Darbhanga and Samastipur (d) whether it is a fact that Govern­ Postal Divisions of Bihar; and ment have announced twice or thrice in the newspapers for installation of new exchange; (b) the specific proposals for o.pcni~g and new branch post offices and upgradauons 1n th~ year 1985-86 ? (e) the time by which it will start func­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE tioning ? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) As on 1.7.1985 number of applicants on waiting HO DSOs EDSOs EDBOs list in Rajouri Garden Telephone Exchange category~wise is as follows : (i) Madhubani 1 39 365 OYT-1984 Special-ISO General-22617 (ii) Samastipur 2 40 5 316 Total: 24745 (iii) Darbhanga 2 43 11 351 (b) Yes, Sir.

(b) Proposals for opening new post (c) About 9400 new connections will offices in the year 1985 .. 86 are as under : be added. The percentage allotment of Telephone lines is as follows: (i) Madhubani-6 OYT 40% (i i) Samastipur-7 NON-OYT Special 20% (iii) Darbhansa~3 NON-OYT General 40% SUVANA 1, 1907 (SAX'A)

(d) No, Sir. appearing in 'Times of India' dated the 10th JuJy, 1985 regarding working of telephoncs; (c) 10,000 lines exchange (on Code 541) started functioning from 28.6.1985. (b) if so, the reaction of Government thereon; and Another exchange of 10,000 lines capa­ city will be commissioned in 1986-87. (c) whether Government propose to set up advisory committees for each exchange Foreign visits of DHEL officers amd in all the cities to improve the working of Export/Import by the Company telephones in the country ?

18. DR. A.K. PATEL: Will the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir. (a) the list of the top 2S officers of Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. and the num­ (b) The News item mainly deals with ber of their foreign visits during April, 1982 the programme of transfer of certain areas to March, 1985; served by Delhi Gate telephone exchange to Kidwai Bhawan Electronic Exchange which (b) the designation of each officer, was slightly delayed due to unavoidable countries visited by him, his number of circumstances. However, the first phase of visits, total expenditure incurred (including transfer of the portion of Delhi Gate ex­ fare and allowances) during his each visit; change to Kidwai Bhawan exchange has (c) total import bill (landed cost in already been completed on 21.6.85. The work is in progress to complete the second rllpees) of BHEL in each of the last three years and its comparison in percentage with phase of transfer of area. total material cost incurred by BHEL; and (c) No, Sir. However, one Telecom. Advisory Committee is constituted for each (d) total physical export of BHEL (in rupees) in each of the Jast three years, State/Union Territory and one Telephone Advisory Committee for each Telephone names of the top 25 foreign companies from which BHEL imported the maximum, in the District. Members to these Committees representing various interest are nominated. Jast three years and the import value in each They normally reside in case? the geographical jurisdiction of the Committee. Matters concerning all telecom. installations in­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cluding working of telephones in the State/ MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND Telephone District can be discussed by the COMPANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE concerned committee. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): Setting up of Medium Type Auto­ (a) to (d). Information is being com­ piled and will be laid on the Table of the matic Telepbone Exchanges House. 20. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Setting up of Advisory Committees for be pleased to state: Improving the Workin& of Telepboaes (a) whether Government have proposal 19. SHRI MANIK REDDY: to set up some more Medium Type Auto­ matic Exchanges in the country in 1985-86; SHRI CHINTA MOHAN: (b) if so, the number of such Medium Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Type Automatic Exchanges proposed to be be pleased to state : set up in Orissa in 1985-86;

(a) whether the attention of Govern­ (c) whether Government have a pro­ IIlCD' baa bcea drawn to tho 1l0Wl item paaal to set up one such Medium Typo ~1 Wrltlen AlISWers JULY 23, 198$

Aatomatic Exchange in Phulabani district, (b) when the said pin type cylinders Orissa; and are proposed to be introduced in those areas also? (d) if so, the details thereof? MINISTER OF STATE (INDEPEN­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE DENT CHARGE) OF THE MINISTRY OF MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, SHARMA): (a) There are only few areas in Sir. South Delhi where new self-closing pin type (b) 4 medium type automatic exchanges cylinders are yet to be introdu~"d. are proposed to be set up in Orissa durit1g 1985.86; subject to availability of stores. In (b) By 31.8.1985. addition, one electronic exchange is planned for commissioning in 85-86. [TraM/alion]

(c) &: (d). Yes, Sir. There is a proposal Production of Raw Material for to set up a 400 line electronic exchange at L.D.P. Plastic by I.D.P.L. Phulbani. The exchange is expected to be commissioned in 1986-87. 23. SHRI V]SHNU MODI : WilJ the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to New Drug Policy state: 21. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN: Will (a) whether it is a fact that raw material the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTI­ for L.D.P. plastic is produced in the LIZERS be pleased to state : country by I.D.P.L.; (a) whether Government are aware of the unrest ~mongst indigeneous drug manu­ (b) if so, whether requirements of facturer on Gcvernment's new drug policy smaJl plastic industrial units for raw material which is considered by them to be a blow L.D.P. are met wjth the production of this in process of indigenisation and set back to undertaking by distributing it among them; self-reliance, self·sufflciency and India's Industrial Policy Resolu tion; and (c) whether L. D. p. is in short supply these days and it is being sold in black (b) if so, the corrective stdPS proposed? market;

THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS (d) whether it is the policy of Govern­ AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY ment that raw material be distributed among AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI small units through some Government VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) and (b). agency; National Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Deve­ lopment Council which was appointed of (e) if so, whether I. D. p. L. is 19th April, 1983 have since submitted its distributing L. D. P. among small units in report on the Drug Policy to the Govern­ this area through private distributors and ment. Government are yet to take a the reasons therefor; division on the changes/modifications needed in 1978 Drug Policy. (t) whether Government have conducted any enquiry into this matter; and Introduction of Pin Type Cooking Gas CyUnders (g) if so, the outcome thereof and if 22. SHRI KALI PRASAD PANDEY: not, the reasons therefor? Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI (a) the areas in Delhi where pin type NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to (a). cooking gas' cylinders have not yet been The information is beiDa collected and will introduced; and be laid· on tho Table of tho House. $3 Wrltte" Answ,,, SRAVANA 1. 1907 (SAKA) Written AII3Wer8 54

[E1I61Ish] (c) The minimum number of votes required for refund of security deposit may Electoral reforms be increased from one-sixth to one-fourth.

24. SHRI NARSINH MAKWANA: (d) The facilities like priority aJlotment SHRI VIJAY KUMAR YADAVA: of te1ephone connections immunity fromrs equisition of vehicles subsidj<;ed supply of Will the Minister of LAW AND paper for printing posters, etc. will not be JUSTICE be pleased to state the recom­ available to independent candidates. mendations made by Election Commission regarding electoral reforms and the decision (e) Part of the election expenses of being taken by Government thereon? candidates sponsored by recognised pohtical partiet; may be met by the Government in THE MINISTER OF LAW AND kind through supply of free electora] rolls, JUSTICE (SHRI A.K. SEN) The subsidization of time bought on AIR/TV Election Commission has been making according to agreed norme; etc. recommendations regarding electoral re­ forms from time to time and the last (0 Nominati on i'i to be sube;cribed by packaac of such reforms was made in at least one propo~er from each of the September, 1982. Full detai]s of the component as~embJy constituencies in the recommendations were laid on the Table of case of a parliamentary electjon subject to the House in reply to Unstarred Question a maximum of ten pi oposers. In the case No. 5754 dated the 5th April, 1983. Taking of an assembly cleo lon, nomination ~hould into account the experience gained during be subc;cribed by at least one proposer each the elections to Lok Sabha held in December from different polling area~ subject to a last and to State Assemblies in March this maximum of ten proposers. year, the Commission has again taken stock of the situation and its fresh recommend­ (8) In the list of contesting candidates ations are contained in the Second Anllual al'd in ballot papers, recognised National Report (pages 77-84) which was laid on the and State Parties would be grouped together and their names would be arranged in Table of the House on the 14th May, 1985. Some of the more important recommenda­ alphabetical orders first and thereafter the names of the remaining candidates arranged tions made by the Election Commission are in alphabetical orders. detailed in the attached statement. (2) Bar on contesting elections from More The recommendations of tbe Commiss­ than two conltituencies. ion have been received recently and are beiDa processed within the Government. The No person should be allowed to contest Election Commission has also sought the an election from more than two constituen­ views of political parties on important cies in a general election to Lok Sabha or lecommendations. Government are anxious Legislative Assembly or in simultaneous to put through electoral reforms as early as elections to the Lok Sabha and State Legis­ possible and would do so after holding lative Assembly or in case of bye-elections consultations With political parties, etc. involving two or more seats.

STATEMENT (3) Disqualification of persons with crlmintll records Proposals for Electoral Reforms Persons with proven crIminal records (1) Elimination of non-serious cand'dat~s and a shady past, history-shecters and persons whose detention!externment under (a) Security deposit may be raised ten N.S.A., E.S.M.A., C.O.F.E.P.O.S.A., times. F.E.R.A., Goonda Act (where in force) etc. has been approved by the Judicial Advisory (b) A candidate who fails to secure Boards constituted under the above Acts 20C}'o of tbe valid votes polled may be etc. to be disqualified from contestin~ aisquIUftcd, eJection$ ,ubject tQ taJdns a~equate S(1fc;. 5S Wrlttnr Answ.,.8 JULY, 23, 1985 Written AlINe" 56

guards for prevention of arbitrary use of and the Returning Officer should this power by the ruling party. The term satisfy himself about the identity "criminal record" may be defined in of the candidate. consultation with the political parties. To give effect to the above recommen­ A person convicted by a court in India dations, Commission has also suggested for any offence involving moral turpitude amendments to Sections 33 and 36 of the shall be disqualified even if he is sentenced Representation of the People Act, 1951 and for less than two years. Conviction by the Forms 2A and 2B appended to the Conduct lowest court should be treated as attracting of Elections Rules, 1961. disqualification unless actually and finally acquitted by appellate courts. (6) Booth-Capturing

(4) Punitive measures to check distur­ The Commission has decided to take bances at election meetings effective measures to nip this evil practice in the bud. Accordingly, it has been Persons resorting to violence during elec­ recommended to insert a new Section 135A tion campaign including those who disturb to the Representation of the people Act, election meetings should be tried summarily 1951, somewhat on the following lines:- and if convicted should be disqualified. 135A. Booth Capturing

(5) Fraudulent filing of nomination papers (1) A person shall be guilty of booth­ from Kakatpur Assembly Constituency in capturing at an election if he- Orissa-steps 10 prevent recurrtnce of such cases:- (a) arms himself with lethal weapons, seizes a polling booth or station, Commission has recommended to the makes the polling party surrender Government the following steps:- the ballot papers, marks them with (1) In the case of election to parlia­ the voting mark in favour of a mentary constituency. nomination candidate of his choice and fills up paper should be signed by atleast the ballot boxes with these ballot one proposer from each assembly papers; segment, but not exceeding ten in (b) takes possession of polling booth number in a1J. Simi1arly in the case or station and allows only his known of assembly election, each nomina­ supporters to exercise their franchise tion paper should be signed by one and drives away others; proposer from each electoral part of the respective constituency, but (c) entertains polling officials with not exceeding ten in number in all. food, drinks, etc. and influences them to eet in a manner so as to (2) It should be obligatory on t?e pa~t subserve his interest; or of the candidate to furmsh hIs photograph or of one of his pro­ (d) threatens any elector and prevents posers in case he is presenting the such elector from going to the nomination form in the absence of polling booth/station to cast his the candidate. vote.

(3) The photograph (s) furnished with (2) Any person guilty of an offence the nomination paper should be duly under this section shall be punishable attested by a Gazetted Officer of the with imprisonment for a period Central Government/State Govern­ which may extend to two years with ment or sitting MP or MLA or a minimum of six months or with MLC. a fine which m86' extend to two thousand rupees or with both; (4) The candidate or one of his propo­ sers who presented the nomination (3) An offence punishable under sub- form in the absence of the candidate section (2) shall be cognisable and should be present at the time or attempt or abatment shan also ~op" acrutiny of nomination papon ,tituto 8D offonct. m. . , 57 Writt8n Answ~rs SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Wrltt6n AnSW6rs 58

A new section lOB has aJso been not be feasible to indicate the time frame proposed somewhat on the following lines: within which this can be done. lOB. Disqualification for committing the STATEMENT offence of booth clpturing - If the EJection Commission is satisfied that Recommendation of Election CommissitJII a person is guilty ~. the electoral regarding delimitation of constituancies and offence of boothcapturing including rotation of seats reserved for Scheduled attempt or abetment thereof mention­ Casles and Scheduled Tribes. ed in section 135A of this Act, the Election ('ommis~ion shal1, by Order published in the Official Gazette. The Commission had earlier recommen­ declare him to be di~qualifjed for a ded that Articles 82 and 170(3) of the period of six ycar') from the date of Con<;titution may be amended so that while the Order. the total number of seats allotted to various States in the House of the People and to 1t has also been suggested that if after the various State Legislative Assemblies an enquiry The Commis<;ioll is satisfied may remain unaltered, the original position that booth-capturing has taken place at of fresh delimitation of Parliamentary and any poJling station in a con'itituency, it A<;sembly Constituencies in each State and should have the power to cancel the poll Union Territory after every decennial In the entire con~tituency and order a ('en

The Commission does not propose to (b) if so, what IS the latest position of press for adopting the principle of rotation the case? of seats as far as Schedulcd Tribc5t are concerned. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE Work at Krishna-Godavari River Basin (SHRI H.R. BHARADWAJ): (a) Yes, Sir. 26. SHRI S.M. BHATTAM : (b) The pre-trial hearing of the PROF. RAMKRISHNA MORE: case in the Federal Court of the Southern District of New York is fixed for 7th Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be August, 1985. pleased to state : Improvement in telephone facility in the (a) whether the Krishna-Godavari in Salem District in Tamilnadu river basin where gas was struck, work has not yet started; 18. SHRf P.R. KUMARMANGALAM: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS (b) whether it was declared that utili­ be pleased to ~tatc : zation of natural gas from the wells in thi'i basin would c(.lmmence by 1985; and (a) the steps being taken to improve the telephone facility in the Salem District (d) if so, the a ction taken so far? in Tamilnadu State; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) whether, though an electronic MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI exchange was sought for Salem, only a crose; NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to bar exchange was sanctioned; and (c). Gas has been dic;covered in some structures in Krishna-Godavari basin. The (C) if ~o, the reasons for the same? extent of gas reserves is being ascertained by drilling delineation wells. Sim'U'taneou~ly THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE exploration is going on for di.;;covering MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS more hydrocarbons. The possibilities of (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) (i) A utilizing this gas when produced are being new X-Bar Exchange of 2500 lines was examined. There is no programme of opened in February 1985 at Shevapet. commencing production of gas from this basin in 1985. (ii) Above Exchange was further ex.. panded to 3000 lines in June 1985. Visit of Law Minister to USA in Connection with Bhopal Tragedy Compensation case. (iii) A new 1000 lines Trunk Automatic Exchange was also opened in Salem in 27. DR. G .S. RAJHANS : February 1985 to improve the STD facility to the subscribers of Salem Town and SHRI S.M. BHATTAM : other adjoming placcs. SHRI : (iv) During 1984-85, 1607 new Tele­ SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK : phone connections were given in Salem Town. SHRI : (v) In Salem Distt. 1142 new connec­ Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE tions were given in 1984-~5. be pleased to state: (vi) 32 long distance public telephones (a) whether he has recently made a were installed in 1984-85. visit to the United States in connection with the case filed by Government against the (vii) 12 new small automatic Telephone Union Carbide claiming compensation for ExchanSes were opened in 1984·85. 61 Written Answtrs SARAvANA 1, t9()7 (SAKA) Written Answers 62

(viii) STD facility was provided for (b) & (c). With a view to making the THIRU CHENGODE town in Salem Distt. Legal Aid Programme more effective the during 1984-85. Committee is actively engaged in formula­ ting a draft legislation on the subject which (ix) During 1985-86 it is planned to will be submitted to the Government for provide about 950 new telephone connec­ its consideration. tions in Salem Distt. including SaJem Town. [Trans/ation} (b) A cro~~bar exchange of 2500 lines was allotted for Shevapet Salem in 1981-82. Opening of Cooking gas Agencies in Azam-Garb, Uttar Pradesh (c) There is a shortage of electronic telephone exchange equipment in the 30. SHRJ RAJ KUMAR RAJ: Will country. the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: Legislation on legal aid scheme

29. SHRI D.K NAIKAR: Will the (a) whether there is a proposal to Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased open new cooking gas agencies in Azamgarh, to state: Ghazipur, Jaunpur and BaHia Districts of Uttar Pradesh during the current financial (a) whether it is a fact that the prescnt year; and; ')cneme of legal aid to the poor IS not giving direct benefit to the needy poor (b) if so, the names of the places litigants; where these agencies arc proposed to be opened? (b) jf ~o, whether he proposes to brmg forward a legis].Hion to proviqc dIrect THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE benefit to the needy per~ons; and MINlSTRY OF PET1

(ii) preventive or strategic legal aid. [English]

Pursuant to this programme, State Poor Condition of Public Telephones Legal Aid and Advice Boards and High in the Capital Courts and District Courts Legal Aid Committees have been constituted in the 31. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI: Will country in accordance with the Model the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Scheme evolved by. the Committee. The pleased to state: Government has also constituted the Supreme Court Legal Aid Committee. The (a) whether he is aware of the poor programme includes promotion of legal condition of public telephones in tho literacy in various ways. Capital; 63 Writte" Answers JULY 23, 1985 Written Answ~rs 64

(b) whether he is also aware that the for Telecommunications expansion and desisn of the Coin Collecting Box is faulty upgradation. This draft is still under as the coin always gets stuck with the result discussion with the PI anning Commission that neither the called party nor the caller who have indicated that in the context of is able to hear each other; and overall limitations of resources, investment to this extent may not be feasible and the (c) if so, the action proposed to be plans may have to be scaled down substan­ tak~n by Government to effect improvements t ialJy. in the design? . (c) and (d). The schemes in the draft THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Plan envisage a substantial increase in the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATI JNS telephone and telex service, expansion of (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Gene­ STD service, extension of telephone service rally the public telephones in the capital in rural areas on the one hand and up­ city of Delhi are working quite satis­ gradation of the servicc'> through replace­ factorily. ment of life-expired equipment automatisa- . ' tJOll, con,truction of cable ducts and use (b) As in any other instruments, these of digital technology for upgrauation of the coin collecting boxes are also subject to services on thc other. occasional failures in addition to defects arising out of vandalism. The details of various schemes for different States amI union territories wiJ1 (c) Redesign for effecting improve­ be worked out, once the total level of ments is a continuous process in the investment has bccn fjnalised. Department. Terms of Reference of Medical Experts xpansioD and Upgradation oolExisting who drew Priority list of Bulk Drugs Telepbone System 33. SHRI SARFARAJ AHMAD: 32. SHRI HARIHAR SORE N: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be SHRI TARIQ ANWAR: pleased to state: SHRl V1LAS rvlVTTEMW AR: (a) whether Government have a proposal to give top priority for the expan­ Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND sion and the upgradation of the existing FER TILIZE RS be pleased to state: tel~phone system in the country during the Seventh Plan; (a) the terms of reference of the medical experts who drew up the Priority (b) if -so, the amount earmarked for List of Bulk Drugs; this pu rpose; (b) whether it is a fact that priority (c) the various schemes proposed to list was not drawn up by the medical experts be implemented in different States and for the purpose of price control and that Union territories to implement the above the medical experts were told to Jimit the proposal; and number of priority drugs upto 100 only; (d) the details thereof? (c) the consideration and criteria which THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE formed the basis of priority list and the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS object for which list was drawn; and (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Recognising the role of Telecommunications (d) the production of each of the bulk as an important infrastructure. Government drugs and total sales of formulations based has decided to give high priority to itl on each of the bulk drugs included in the expansion and upgradation in the 7th Plan. priority li~t during last three years, year­ wise? (b) The Ministry of Communications bad submitted a draft Plan, envisaging an THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS investment of about Rs. J3 thousand aores AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY ()S WrltlM Answus SltAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answ.rs 66

AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI Effect of cODceuion given to Cement VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (c). The Manufacturer. Medical E"perts who were Members of the js. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will Steering Committee of the National Drugs the Minister of INDUSTRY & COMPANY and Pharmaceuticals Development Council AFFAIRS be pleased to state: drew up the priority Jist bearing in mind the criteria adopted by UNIDO for inclu­ (a) whether Governmcnt have allowed sion of drugs in essential list and drugs in the cement manufacturers to apportion less WHO list and the Hathi Committee list. as levy quota by an announcement made on The experts were free to include any drug in June 5 this year; the priority list. The preliminary priority list which came to 133 drugs was subsequen­ (b) if so, the details and reasons there-­ tlyabridged by them to 95. The medicines for; and required by large majority of the people for the most, common disea~s known, includ­ (c) to what extent the industry is going ing those required by the National Health to gain in money terms by this concession. Programmes constitute the Jist. Those drugs were required in the country in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE abundance and should be made available at MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ all times at regulated and reasonable prices. PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY The consensus of the National Drugs & OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF Pharmaceutical Development Council was MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (c). In the that only priority bulk drugs and their context of the representations received from formulations should be under price control the Cement Manufacturers' Association to allow escalation On the retention prices of (d) Information (to the extent availa­ levy cement to compensate for the increase ble) will be collectcd and laid on the Table in the cost of inputs, Government had of the Lok Sabha. decided to reduce the levy quota from 65% Digital Telephone System in Patna Tele­ of instaJIed capacity in the case of existing pbone Excbange cement factories to 60% of actual produc,.. tion and from 45

(b) whether there is any proposal to Setting up of Separate wing in ONGC and instal digital telephone system there soon? oil India for Exploration and Recovery of Natural Gas THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 36. SHRI YASHWANTRAO GADAKH (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Digital PATIL: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM telephone system has been allotted in be pleased to state: replacement of present Patna main telephone exchange which was submerged in flood. (a) whether Government have decided The existing exchange is being maintained to set up separate wing in t he Oil and with sustained maintenance efforts. Natural Gas Commission and Oil India for exploration and recovery of natural gas; (b) The dilital telephone system which and stands already aUotWd is e}tpected to be commissioned in abGut 3 years. (b) if so, the details thereof? ~, Written Answers JULY ~, 1985 'Writte" A.nsw~r8 6~

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI (b) The structure produced gas appro­ NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) No, ximately at the rate of 1.5 to 1.7 lakh cubic Sir. metres per day. Furthrr exploratory work is in progress to assess the potential of produc­ (b) Does not arise. tion from this structure which would determine the future utilisation programme. ONGC Order for Manufacture of Rigs and Platforms by Mazagon Dock Ltd. Jndigenisation of foreign automobile firms collaborating with Indian firms 37. SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISHRA: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 39. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Will the to state: Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (a) whether the Oil and Natura) Gas Commission has placed huge orders with (a) whether there is any proposal under Mazagon Dock Ltd. for the manufacture of the consideration of Government for indi­ rigs and platforms costing several hundred genisation of foreign firms which have crores; entered into coli aboration with 1ndian firms in automobile industry; (b) whether it is also a fact that the MDL having limited capacity, are passing (b) if so, the details thcreof~ on these orders to sub-contractors, within and outside the country; and (c) the number and names of foreign firms to be affected as a result thereof (c) if so, the reasons for placing such together with their location in India; huge order on an establishment having no capacity to m.!et the orders? (d) whether some foreign firms in Andhra Pradesh are also affected, if c;o, THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI detaib thereof; and P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) Orders cQmmensurate with the capacity assessed in (e) the amount of compensation to be Mazagon Docks Limited for the manufac­ paid to such firms? ture of rigs, platforms, etc., have been placed. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM:­ (b) Sub-contracting is an essential part PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE of any industrial activity. It is resorted to MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI only where necessary and cost-effective and ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) No, Sir. in respect of items for which the eq uipment and services are not available within the (b) to (e). Do not arise. country. Changes in Drug Policy of 1978 (c) Does not arise in view of (cl) and (b). 40. SHRI B.V. DESAI:

Natural Gas Find near Vasai, Bombay SHRI C.P. THAKUR: 38. SHRI S.O. OHOLAP: WiU the Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: state:

(a) whether natural gas is found in (a) whether he has embarked on a larae quantity Dear Vasai, Bombay; and comprehensive review of the Drug Policy of 1978; (b) if so, the quantity available and the planning of its utilisation and where? (b) if so, the main changes that are likely to be made in the new Drug Policy; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY .OF PETROLEUM (SHRI (c) by what time the same is likely to NAWAL KlSHORE SHARMA): (a)Yes, Sir. be announced; and 69 Written AruweTs SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Written AlUw.ra 70

(d) the main reasons for review of the Remedial steps being taken includ( Drug Pol icy of 1978? plugging of loop-holes in Import Policy, which inhibit productioL and capacity THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS utilisation, ensuring adequate availability AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY of working capital, raw materials and inter­ AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI mediates and attempts to up-grade tech­ VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (d). National nology. Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Development Council have since submitted its reports on Improvement in tbe Fuactloning of Calcutta the Drug Policy to the Government. Govern­ Telepbone system ment would take a decision on the changec;/ modification needed in the Drug Policy 42. SHRT PRIYA RANJAN DAS keeping in view all the relevant factors and MUNSI: Will the Minister of COM­ various view pointl). MUNICATIONS be pleased to state:

Losses Incurred by Public Sector (a) the measures taken to improve the Drug Units functioning of telephone system at Calcutta and the replacement of cross bar exchange; 41. SHRI HARI KRISHNA SHASTRI:

SHRI UTTAM RATHOD : (b) which are the new are8S that are now being considered to come under Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND Calcutta Telepholl\! Jurisdiction during FERTILIZERS be pleased to "tate: Seventh Plan; and

(a) whether it is a fact that the Public (c) whether industrialJy important \cctor drug unit!) incurred Josse'; in 198~-85; 24-parganas Can be considered for inclusion (b) if so, the amount of losse') incurred; and under Calcutta Telephone jurisdiction ? (c) the meac;Ures being taken to arrest c;uch losses and to bring about improvement in THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE their performance? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Measure" taken to improve the functioning AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY of telephone "ystem at Calcutta is attached. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRl No lo.;al cro~sbar exchange is proposed to VEERENDRA PATIL) (a) and (b): Late5t be repalced in the near future. A 400C line estimated losses incurred by Public Sector cros~bar Trunk Automatic Exchange is Drug companies during 1984-1985 are as proposed to be replaced by Electronic under: Exchange. (Rs. in Crores) 1. Indian Drugs & Pharmaceuticals (b) No new areas are being considered to come under Calcutta telephone jurisdic­ Ltd. 16.28 tion during the Seventh Plan.

2. Hindutan Antibiotics Ltd. 4.98 (c) A major part of the industrially important area of 24 paraganats is already 3. Bengal Chemicals &: Pharmaceuti- included under Calcutta telephone jurisdic­ cals Ltd. 5.40 tion. 4. Bengal Immunity Ltd. 1.99 Improvement measuras, 10Dg-term and (C) The losses are due to various factors short-term, contemplated to improve the such as under utilisation of the installed telephone services : capacity resulting from demand constraints and power/water shortage, technological t. Introduction of sophosticatcd elec­ problems, higher cost of production from tronic telephone exchanges to avoid basic stage and a product. mix predominentJy problems inherent with electromag­ comprising Category I and II bulk drugs netic switching equipment used and formulations with lower mark up. hitherto. 71 Wrltt.,. AlUWer.r JULY 23, 1985 Written Answers 72

2. Scrapping of life expired equipment. (d) the thinking of Government of those offers, in detail? ' 3. Installation of electronic trunk auto­ exchanges to improve the subscriber THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE trunk dial1ing services. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) to 4. Laying of new junction primary and (d). In the two rounds of bidding for secondary cablcs in ducts to protect leasing of areas for oil exploration & pro­ them from external damages. d uction. on1y ond block was awarded to Chevron of USA. No bids have so far been 5. Pressurisation of primary, secondary invited for the third round of leasing. Hence and junction cables to minimise cable the question of receiving offers does not breakdown faulrs arise.

6. Use of jelly filled cables in the Probe Pane) Report into Kerosene oil distribution networ k to prevent entry Deaths in Kerala of water iri the cables to avoid fau1t~. 44. SHRI T. BASHEER : Wi1l the 7. Rehabilitation ('f subscribers' fittings Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to and the D. p. boxes to minimise state : faults on the line. (a) whether probe panel report into 8. prOVision of high grade junction kerosene oil deaths in Kerala has been circuits on pulse Code Modulation submitted~ coexial and microwave media to provide better quality a nd mOre (b) if so, what are the findings; dependable service. (c) the action taken on the report; and 9. Use of improved telephone instru­ ments. (d) if not, when it is expected to be submitted? 10. Replacement of aluminium wires in the fittings at the subscribers' THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE premises by copper wires to avoid MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI break faults. NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, 11. Replacement of overhead wires by Sir. insulated drop wires to avoid faults due to kite strings, birds nests etc. (b) The Technical Committee has con­ which lead to contact or low insula­ cluded that' the contaminant was cracked tion faults. motor spirit & the contamination had not 12. Computerisation of cable records taken place at the Oil Industry shore and fault repair service to bring installations that the contamination had down duration of faults and repeat likely to have taken place on board the faults. tanker M. T. Sarojini Naidu which brought this particular consignment of Kerosene Foreign Offers for Exploration of Oil from Ras Tanura in Saudi Arabia. 43. SHRI B. N. REDDY: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to (c) (i) The Govt. has accepted the report of the Technical Committee. state :

(a) whether Government have received (ii) The Oil Industry has been advised a number of offers from outside the country to conduct flash point test before any for exploration of oil in various parts of the Kerosene or diesel is released from any country; installation/depot for distributioll'. (b) the details of these offers; (iii) An Oil Industry working group haa (c) Which are the areas for whicb offers been constituted to evolve a unifrom qualit)' bavo boeA fecoived; and control m"Qual for Cbo on Industry, 73 Written AnswerJ SRA VANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Written AnNer8 74

(iv) A copy of the report has been sent (c) the number of applications received to Ministry of Shipping & Transport for in Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta and Madras appropriate action. for such transfers ?

(d) Does not arise. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Implementation of the Recommendations (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) made by the Sachar Committee in Transfer of telephones has been permitted Respect of Companies act from one subscriber to another under certain conditions with effect from lst June 1985. 45. SHRI S. M. GURADDT : This is in addition to those already permitted in certain specific cases like close relatives, SHRI VIJAY KUMAR MISHRA: change in Name/constitution of firms etc.

Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND (b) The details arc given in the attached COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: statement.

(a) the recommendations made by the (c) The number of applications received Sachar Committee accepted and impJemented in Delhi. Bombay, Calcutta and Madras by Government in respect of the Companies for such transfers are 7. 8, 2 and nil Act; and respectively.

(b) the reasons for not accepting the STATEMENT other rccommendation~ in this regard ? Details of transfer of telephones from one MINISTER OF STATE IN THE subscriber to another. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE The telephone should have worked for MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHR1 at least 5 years with the transfer for being ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) and eligible for transfer from one subscriber to (b). The Government is in the process of any other. In addition to a transfer fee of finalising its views on Sachar Committee Rs. 100, a non.refundable charge depenndig recommendations on various amendments upon the capacity of exchange system as to the Companies Act. per the table given below, is leviable:

Transfer of Telephone from one Subscriper Capacity 01 Exchange system to Another. Exceeding Exceeding Where 46. SHRI VIJAY KUMAR YADAV: total SHRI SODE RAMAIAH : 10,000 J,OOO lines lines do not Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS lines. but not exceed be pleased to state: exceeding 1,000. 10,000 lines (a) whether the Department of Telecom­ munications has permitted free transfer of ------.... telephones from one subscriber to another; Amount chargeable Rs. 8,000 Rs. 6,000 Rs. 5,000 (b) if so, the details thereof; and ------75 Written Answer8 JULY 23, 1985 Written AIISwers 76

Expansion of Telex !let work in all district (a) the number of post offices in Patha­ headquarters during Seventh Plan. namthitta district of Kerala which have 47. SHRI PRATAP BRAND SHARMA: been upgraded after the formation of this Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS district; be pleased to state : (b) whether it is a fact that telegraph (a) whether it is a fact that Government and telephones facilities are not available are actively considering to extend the in many of these post offjces; and Telex net work in all district headquarters during the Seventh Plan period; (c) if, so the steps being taken to provide these facilities in those post offices ? (b) if so, the details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATJONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS !\llRDIIA) : (a) THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Thirty post offices have been upgraded after MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS formation of Pathanamlhitta Oisfrict; (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) to (c). It is proposed to provide telex connections on (b) Yes, Sir. demand in the 7th Five Year Plan. If the (c) Telegraph facilities arc pn.)ViLicd in demand justifies provision of telcx facility & office" h:1scd trLlffic in all district headquarters, the same will combined P T on be provided. justifications. Prescnt poJicv oj' opening Long Distance Public Ca1! Office does not [Trans/ationJ envisage prov;"ion of this f;lcility in all Take over of Nahan Foundry post offices. These arc opened in rural area in category stations and under Spatial 48. SHRI K. D. SUL T ANPURI : Will Distribution Policy so ac.; to he availahle the Minister of INDUSTRY AND within 5Km. of most of the inhabited COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: villages. (a) Whether Government propose to Installation of ncw Trlephone Exchanges take over Nahan Foundry and other in the Country industries in Himachal Pradesh which are not earning profit; 50. SHRJ JAI PRAKASH AGARWAL: (b) Whether Government arc aware Will the Mini!',tcr of COMMUNlCATJONS that long ago the Nahan Foundry was being be pleased to state: run the Central Government; by (a) the policy of ins tall:ltion of new telephone exchanges in the cOllntry with (c) if so, whether it was earning profit at special reference to Union Territory of that time and if so, the details in this regard; and Delhi. (d) the reasons for its handing over to (b) exchange-wise dc,taiJ.,; and upto the State Governnlent ? what time the pending new connection lists will be c1eared in Delhi; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND (c) whether he is aware of faulty COMPANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE cable lines due to which a large number of MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI telephones are not working wdJ; and ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (d). The information is being collected and (d) the measures proposed to rectify will be laid on the Table of the House. this situation?

Telegraph and Telephone Facilities in post THE MINISTER OF STA IE OF THE OlJicers of Pathaoamthitta District of Kerala MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 49. SHRI K. KUNJAMBU : Wi)) the (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA):(a) The new Minister of COMMVNICATlONS be exchanges in the country are installed based pJ~~~d to state : on reSistereQ ~nd proj~ted demand subject '17 Written Answers SRAVANA 1, ]907 (SAKA) Written A.nswers ,~

to availability of equipment and resources. (b) Does not arise. The new exchanges in the Union Territory of Delhi will by and large be of electronic [Translation] type. Allotment of petrol and diesel dealership (b) Exchange-wise plans will be in Panchanpur neurl and Gurua in Bibar finalised after the allocation of funds for 52. SHRI RAMSWAROOP RAM: Will Telecom. Department for the 7th plan is the Mini~tcr of PETROLEUM be pleased dccidrd hy the Government. As per the to state: pre,ent indication, it is expected that the waiting telephone demand.;; as on 1-4-85 will (a) whether any survey has been be met during the 7th plan period. conducted for the allotment of petrol and diesel dealership in Panchanpur (Tikari (c) Yes Sir. A few cables which Tehsil), Neuri (Khelaganj Tehshil) and \'verc damaged by various digging parties Gurua Tehsil in Ganga district in Bihar; h:lVe heen affected dllring the raine; render­ ing ahout 5000 telephone linco; faulty. (b) whether Government are aware t.hat there is no arrangement for supply of (d) rollowing mcaSllres are being diesel and petrol in these areas as a result taken to rcC'tify the situation: of which people have to cover a distance 100 k.m. to I. Laying or main cablcs in ducts to of more than purchase the same; and protect them fr()Ill external damages. (c) if the reply to parts (a) and (b) 2. Pressuri'mtion of main cables to above be in the affirmative, whether Govern­ minimi~c tIle cahle break-down. ment will make arrangements for the supply 3. Use or Jelly filled cables in the of diesel and petrol in these areas? di~tributi()n network to plcvent entry of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE water in the cahlc" causing cable faults. MfNISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI 4. Floodil1g of cahle trenches before NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to they are closed to detcct cable sheath (c). Surveys have been conducted in danlagc a" and \\hen c ..lUsed. Panchanpul", Neuri and Gurua Tehsils. Based on these surveys a retail outlet at 5. patrolling of cable routcs to detect Tikari, 6 Km. from Panchanpur, and a damages as and when caused in fair ~eason retail outlet at Makhdumpur, 16 Km. from itself. Neuri are being established.

Criteria of allotment of LPG and kerosene Economically viable retail ontlets at oil to dealers Neuri and Gurua have not been found feasible. Presently. the demand of these PYARE 51. SHRI RAM PANIKA: areas is met from the retail outlets at Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be Gaya and Sherghati. p1eased to statc: [English] (a) whether Government propose to change the criteria for allotment of LPG Setting up of a Bench of Allahabad High gas and Kero"ene oil to the dealers by Court abolishing the pre-;ent Oil Selection Boards 53. SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD: Will Which are taking considerable time in the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be finalising the selection of dealers; and pleased to state:

(b) if so, when it will be given effect (a) whether it has been decided to set to? up a separate bench of the Allahabad High Court in Uttar Pra desh; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY Or' PETROLEUM (SHRI (b) if so, the proposed location of the NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) No, bench and the reason s for selecting tbi~ Sir. location; and 79 Written Answers JULY 23, 1985 Written Answers 80

(c) whether it has been proposed by (a) whether Government have further the Jaswant Singh Commission to have increased the prices of petroleum products more than two benches of the Allahabad during th~ last few months; and High Court, if so, details of the Jaswant Singh Commission report in this regard? (b) if so, the extent of increase in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE prices of various petroleum products in (SHRl H.R. BHARADWAJ): (a) to (c). comparison to the prices prevailing in 19801 The Jaswant Singh Commission which appointed to examine and report on the question of setting up of a Bench of the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Allahabad High Court in the Western MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI districts of Uttar Pradesh, has submitted its NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Basic report to the Government on 30th April, prices of petroleum products were increased 1985. The Report of the Commission is w.e.f. 17.3.1985. under consideration of the Government. Increase in prIces of petroleum products 54. SHRI HARl RAO: (b) The extent of increase w.e.f. 17.3.85 in the prices of major petroleum products SHRI C. MADHAV REDDY~ Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be in comparison to the prices prevailing in pleased to state: 1980 is shown in the attached statement. STATEMENT

PRODUCT Selling Basic Increase Cumula- Basic Unil ceiling made w.e., live ceiling selling 17.3.1985 Incre- selling price as ase from price on 1.1.BO 1.1.1980 w.e.f. (including 17.3.85 Col. 4) Rs.JSU

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6)

A.T.F. KL 2116.85 618.00 2623.00 4739.85 M.S.-43/87· KL 3888.07 831.00 2481.00 6369.07 H.S.D.O. KL 1309.55 228.00 1768.00 3077.55 S.K.O. KL 1294.93 247.00 597.00 1891.93@ L.D.O. KL 1206.97 398.00 1847.00 3053.97 F.O. (Fert.) KL 829.06 172.00 617.00 1446.06 F.O. (Non-Fert) KL 1209.06 379.00 1694.00 2903.06 Bitumen (Bulk) MT 1825.85·· 329.00 699.00 2524.85 Bitumen (Packed) MT 1460.91 404.00 1639.00 3099.91 Naptha (NF) MT 2482.00 419.00 729.00 3211.00 Naptha (F) MT 596.31 259.00 J386.00 1982.31 LPG (Domestic) MT 1965.98 395.00 1063.00 3028.98

• w.e.f. 1.9.1983. @ Reduced by Rs. 70/KL w.e.t. 26.3.198~. •• Sale introduced after 1.1.1980. Price as on 8.6.1980. 81 Written Answers SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 82

Installation of additional Telephone (c) in view of the fact that no lines ExchaDges In Bangalore are available for new connections the steps taken by Government to install additional exchanges in Bangalore City? 5S. SHRI V.S. KRISHNA IYER: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE pleased to state: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MJRDHA): (a) (a) the number of telephone exchanges There are Eleven exchanges in Bangalore In Bangalore City; City.

(b) the number of telephones attached (b) Capacity and Telephones working to each exchange; and are as follows:

Capacity Working connections

1. City Exchange 10000 9619 2. Central 13150 12163 3. Ulsoor I 9900 9529 4. U]soor II 7400 6609 5. Jayanagar 2900 2701 6. Sankarapuram I 11000 10120 7 Sankarapuram II 4000 2712 8. Ksishna Rajpuram 900 689 9. Vijainagar 10000 9415 10. Pecnya 2000 1415 11. Malesaram 9900 9115 ------81150 74087

(c) Additional Exchanges will be install­ notice of Government along with details in ed so as to clear the waiting list as this regard; and on 1.4.1985 during the Seventh Plan period. (c) the steps taken in this regard?

Amendment of MRTP act to curb arbitrary THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pricing and distribution MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY 56. SHRI SHANTI DHAR1W AL: OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) The existing SHRI VISHNU MODI: provisions in the MRTP Act, 1969 relating to monopolistic trade practices, restrictive Will the Minister OF INDUSTRY AND trade practices and unfair trade practices COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: are sufficient to curb arbitrary pricing and distribution which is a common element in (a) whether Government have taken a all such practices. It is, therefore, not decision to amend the MRTP Act; considered necessary to amend further the (b) if so, how many case of arbitrary MRTP Act in this respect. pricins and distribution have come to the (b) and (c). Do not arise. ~~ Writtell Answers lULY 23, 1985 Wrlttell An.rwer.r a4

Advance payment for petrol pilot the latest Army Aircrafts purchased from foreign countries ? 57. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI pleased to state: P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) The number of traIDees in Air Force Academy, Hyderabad (a) whether be is aware that although during 1984-85 has been as follows :- the bulk of the demands for petrol in the country are met from internal sources, still January 84 to June 84 - 64 the price of petrol has been consistently raised and now it stands at Rs. 7.34 per July 84 to December 84 - 83 litre ~s compared to Rs. 1.69 per litre in January 85 to June 85 - 82 1973;

(b) whether petrol dealers in the country Total - 229 are demanding advance payment of two months average petrol bill from customers (b) Only one officer from a foreign who get petrol on credit basis; and country is presently undergoing training as (c) the amount collected by petrol against five vacancies p:!r course set apart for foreign trainees. companies in advance from customers who get petrol on credit for which the petro) (c) Flying training is carried out in three companies do not pay interest to the stages. The trainees undergo operational customers? training at different flying establishments THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE in different streams. On completion of MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI this training, pilots are posted to operationa NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Petrol units to acquire flying skills On aircraft on is produced in the country both from which they are to be trained. It is only after indigenous and imported crude oil. It is their acquiring requisite flying skills and true that the selling prices of petrol have experience that they are permitted to fly been increased over the past several years. more advanced aircraft including acquisi­ The current price in Delhi is Rs. 7.00 per tions from foreign countries. litre. Vacant Houses with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. Bombay (b) and (c). All petroleum products are sold on cash and carry basis and no 59. SHRI VIJAY KUMAR MISHRA: credit facility is recognised in the pricing Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased arrangement. Credit arrangements, if any, to state: between the dealers and the customers can only be on a voluntary basis. (a) whether Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. has taken possession of over 120 houses Students Undergoing Training as Air Force from the Maharashtra Housing Board, Pilots at Defence Acadfmy in Hyderabad Bombay; S8. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY: wm (b) if so, since when these houses are the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to in the possession of the Hindustan Aeronau­ state: tics Ltd; (a) the number of persons undergoing (c) the amount of rent the company training as Air Force PHots at the Defence has boen paying to the Maharashtra Housina Academy in Hyderabad in the year 1984-85; Board and since when; (b) the number of students from foreign countries who are admitted into the Defence (d) the number of houses aC'_ually Air Force Academy for training; and occupied by the employees of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd; (c) whether the trainees after com­ pletin, their courses are fully equipped to (0) the Dumber or houses vacant; and 85 Written Answers SRAVANA 1, 1907 (StfKA) Written Answers 86

(f) the reasons for keeping these houses Self Sufficiency in Oil vaca"lt? 61. SHRI ZAlNUL BASHER : Will THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE : the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) and state : (b). In 1968, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) took on lease J 30 tenements from (a) whether Government expect to the Maharashtra Housing Board, for provi­ achieve self sufficiency in oil by 1990 ; ding residential accommodation to the workmen of the Santa Cruz Pase of the (b) if not, the reasons therefor; and Company. In 1981, 28 tenements were surrendered due to reduction in the staff. (c) the steps taken to re-adjust the Of the remaining 102 tenements, 40 were projections based on self sufficiency target purchased by HAL for the needs of their by 1990 ? Liaison Office at Bombay 62 tenements contin ue to be held on lease. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI (c) For the tenements on lease, HAL NA WAL KJSHORE SHARMA) : (a) to have paid rent at the rate of Rs. 85.75 per (c). Sclf sufficiency in the production of tenement per month upto December 1984, crude oil has been achieved to the extent and Rs. 107.60 thereafter. of about 70% at prlient Efforts are directed to atthinment of complete self sufficiency (d) to (f). At present 18 tenements are in oil at the eddiest. However.. since the occupied by HAL staff while the rest are exploration for oil is highly probablistic in unoccupied. HAL's Santacruz ba">e was nature it is not possible to indicate with closed on 31 st December 1984. HAL were any certitude when self sufficiency can be advised by Air Headquarters not to surren­ attained. der the 62 tenements held on lcase are required by the Indian Air Force. Delay in Delh'ery of Telea,ams Increase in Kerala State Quota 'of LPG Connections 62. DR. G. VTJAYA RAMA RAO: Will the Minister of CO M M UNICATIONS 60. PROF. P. J. KURIEN : Will the be pleased to state : Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to ..Gte : (a) whether despite modernisation and advent of computers and administrative (a) the total number of LPG connec­ streamlining, the telegrams are taking Jonger tions sanctioned to the State of Kerala than ever before to deliver (see Times of during the year 1984 and what was the India 22 .. 6.. 1985) and if so, the corrective demand; steps taken/proposed thereon; (b) whether the State Government has (b) the number of telegrams sent requested the Centre of increase the State during 1985 which were delivered in one Quota; and day t in two days and beyond three days or (c) jf so, the reaction of the Government more and reasons for delays; thereon? (c) whether Government propose as a THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE first step towards user/consumer protection MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI to refund the telegram charges to all those NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) (a) where telegrams took more than one day During 1984-8S, Oil Companies have released to be delivered to the addressee; and about S3,000 new gas connections in the State of Kerala and about 34,000 applicants (d) whether Government will set up are in the waiting list. watch dog Committees with public and consumer organisations representatives for (b) No, Sir. every Post Office in the country with sui­ table Apex bodies for each District, Sta'e (c) Does DOC &f~, ,,~d at the national level? 87 Writte,. Aruwr, JULy 23, 1985 Writte,. A.1IIW.r, 88

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) whether it is a fact that some non.. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS resident Indians have shown interest in (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) large-scale investments in chemical plants No, Sir. Modernisation by introduction in the country; of Store and Forward Telegraph System, based on micro-processor technology, (b) if so, the details of the said interest; has brought significant improvement in reduction of delays to telegrams. Out of 582 Departmental Telegraph Offices (c) Government's thinking in the matter; and in the country, only 225 Departmental and Central Telegraph Offices are connected so far on the modernised S. F. T. network. (d) the details of the particular areas Referring to the Times of India news report where NRI are interested in investjng their dated 22-6-1985, it is stated that Ranigunj money? is not yet connected to the modernised S. F. T· network. THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS (b) No such c;tatistics are maintained AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY by the Department in this regard. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (c) Provision already exists to grant VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (d). WhIle refund of telegram charges wherever tele­ no large Scale investment proposal in grams are abnormally delayed subject to Chemical plants has been received, details the condition that the likelihood of delay of major chemical plants under implementa­ in transmission and delivery has not been tion by non-resident Indians are given in intimated to the sender at the time of the attached statement. booking of telegram. (d) No, Sir. There is no such proposal. Non.resident Indians/persons of Indian However these are already functioning at Origin who are returnIng to India for the State and Nati0nal levels Postal permanent settlment are allowed certain Advisory Committee of representative concessions like import of capital goods and character. import of raw materials, components con­ sumables and spares under O. G. L. in Iovestments in Cbemical Plants by Non­ Resident Indians terms of the provisions of the Import Policy April, 1984-March 1988. 63. SHRI : Will the MinistCf of CHEMICALS & FERTI­ LIZERS be pleased to State : STATEMENT The Projects of Non-resident Indians Under Implementation ------_ NRI No. Name of the Item of Total Investment Remarks Applicant Manufacture in Landt Building and Machinery -- I. NRI-278-IL Mis Gujarat Caustic Soda Rs. 1546.00 lakhs LI No. 227/83 Chior Alkali Chlorine Inds. Ltd. 2. E.O. 228 (83) Dr. B. Synthetic Dyes Rs.200.00 u LI : 75 (84)-E.D. Comp NRI Ramamurthy 228 (83) Compi New York NRI dt. 31.1.1984..-·

3. NRI-54 (84) Indo-U.S.- Methanol Rs. 1 J 35.00 " LI : 372 (84) Investment dt.27.9.84 Inc. New York SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA)

Petrol hnt,. Allotted to Ex-aertieelbea' (b) the number of gas agencies and HaDdlcapped/SC "ST People. petrol pumps ou t of them allotted to ex­ servicemenjhandicappedjSC & ST people; M. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : and

SHRI LALA RAM KEN : (c) whether Government have conducted investigations to know how many of the SHRI BANWARI LAL BAJRWA : agencies and petro) pumps allotted are owned benami ? Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM: (SHRI (a) the names of persons allotted gas NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and agencies and petrol pumps in Pali District (b). During the last three years the Oil during the last three years, date-wise and Industry has allotted LPG Distributorships! location-wise and thf' norms followed in retail outlet dealerships to the following their allotment; persons:

L. P. G. Distributorships

Location Category Name 01 the person to whom Date of Award allotted

M. Pali Open Smt. Bina Kak 21.1 82

Retail Outlet dealerships :

Jait Ram UEG Shri Anup Singh 2.7.82

Begawas ST Shri Gorkha Ram 25.2.83

Kantaliya PH Shri Jagdish Singh Purohit 30.9.83

Takthi Garh UG!UEG Shri Jog Singh Balot 22.2.84 Bar Open Shri Bhikamchand Kothari 3.1284

Chandval PH/DDP/WW Shri Harlal Choudhry 15.6.82

The norms which are taken into con­ (a) whether Department of Personnel sideration for making a selection from & Administrative Reforms Office Memo­ amongst the eligible candidates are (i) randum No. 14!14/80.. Welfare dated business abilityfsalesmanship (ii) capacity 14-7-1981 made it incumbent on all Central to arrange finance and capability to provide Departments, their attached and subordinate facilities (iii) preparedness for working offices and other Orltanisa:tions financed full time as a dealer etc. and/or controlled by the Govetnment Joca'ted at Delhi/New pClhi to purchase aU items (c) No, Sir. Appropriate enquiries arc of sationery, e1'ect rica i, sanItary and other made into any complaints about the func- ~ood~ frqm the,. ~entral Governme_n.t Em­ tioning of dealerships. ... , ployees Consumer-eo-operative Society Ltd., ~evv I>elbi. I Pureba8e of Stationery in MittIIItry IOf . b)' the' baares or offic~ I fulling under Comm .. ,i~AAOIJ,S " . " . _, it" -'lim' 'M\ni~tty c6verdd I By the abo'fe 1;aid 'OtHet!I'! .,11 " S 65. s~R~:i~AlfiRA~..w r lX9:IJ : ,1.d'\1 • ~l I 11'<1,1 r, I, ,. • Will the J\.ljm~~" q{,~qMMV~~GArJR,NS :l" •• I(C) wpetl~~ .f'll, A{f,~s J,l!1~r hi~ Mini,}ry t>c pl~cd to st"t~ : ipctudin, tel~omlUunications arq fOl!owlO, 91 Writ,,,, A1IsWflrI JULY 23, 1985 the above instruction and buying these reiterated to all concerned for strictcom­ items from the Society; and pliance.

(d) if not, the steps taken to ensure Memorandum by Officers of tile HladUIIaD complianco of the Order in letter and Fertilizer Corporation Raldia spirit? 66. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: Will THE MINISTSR OF STATE OF THE the Minister of CHEMICALS AND MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS: FER TILIZERS be pleased to state : (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) ( a) whether the Officers of the Hindustan Yes Sir. Fertilizer Corporation. HaJdia, had submit­ (b) 1. Department of Telecommunica­ ted a memorandum in May. 1985 to the tions, New Delhi. Government; and

2. Departmront of Posts, New Delh i. (b) : if so, the salient points raised in the memorandum? 3. Overseas Communications, Service, New Delhi. THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY 4. Monitoring Organisation, New Delhi. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS : (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. S. Indian Telephone Industries Limited (Regional Office), New Delhi. (b) The memorandum discusses certain equipment problems in the HaIdia plant. 6. Hindustan Teleprinters Limited It asks for sanction of further funds for (Regional Office), New Delhi. commissioning of the Haldia. 7. Telecommunications Consultants New drug policy India Limited, New Delhi. 67. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: 8. General Manager Telephones, New Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND Delhi. FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: 9. General Manager (Projects), New (a) whether a new Drug Policy is under the consideration of Government; Delhi. 10. General Manager Statellite, New (b) whether any council has been appointed for this purpose by his Ministry; Delhi. 11. Superintending Engineer (Civil (c) whether the delay in formulating Circle), New Delhi. the new policy has ad verseIy affected the industry; and 12. Superintending Engineer (Electrical Circle), New Delhi. (d) the approximate time by which the policy will be announced? 13. Superintending Engineer, (Arbitra.. tion, New Delhi. THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY 14. Postmaster General, New Delhi. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (d). National 1S. General Manager, A. L. T. T. C. Drugs and Pharmaceuticals Development New Delhi. Council which was appointed on 19th April, 1983 have since submitted its report (c) and (d). Most of the Organisastions on the Drug Policy to the Government. mentioned in part (b) above, are following Government would take a decision on the the instructions issued by the Department changes/modification needed in the Drul of Personnel and Administrative Reforms. Policy keeping in view aU the relevant However. these instructions are beln, factors and various view points. SkA VANA 1, 1907 (SAIG4)

MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) In Maharashtra [Trasnlatlon] only Garhchiroli District has been identified as a No Industry District. No request for Opening of sub post ofBc~ at Dbyadhl, setting up any big industry in this distriot District almora (U.P.) has been received from the Government of 68. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will the Maharashtra. Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : (b) Does not arise.

Ca) whether a sub post office is likely to tc) Information is being collectcd be sanctioned for Dhyadbi, district Almora from the State Government and will be (UP) in the current year; and laid on the Table of the House.

(b) if not the reasons therefor? (d) and (e). The Central Investments are primarily in large industrial projects of THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE a basis character. The location of such MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS projects has, therefore, to be decided on (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) It broad techno-economic coftsiderations. It has been reported by the Postmaster-Gene­ has been the policy of the Government that ral, U.P. Circle that there is no village subject to these considerations comparatively with the name Dhyadhi in Almora District backward regions are given preference in (U.P.). However there is a branch post office the location of Central Projects. at Dhyari in Almora District which is not justified to be upgraded as a Departmental [English] lub post office as it has a work load of less than 2 hours as against 5 hours Framing of Rules under Dowry Probibitlon (Amendment) Act, 1984 prescribed by the Department. 70. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: (b) Does not arise. Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state: Setting up a big Industry in Garhchiroli District of Maharasbtra (a) whether requisite Rules under Dowry 69. SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR: Prohibition (Amendment) Act, 1984 have been framed; Will the Minister of INDUSTRY & COM­ PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (b) if not, when these are ,oing to be formulated and circulated; (a) whether Garhchiroli is the only fnon-industry' district in Maharashtra and (C) whether any instructions have been whether Union Government have received issued to the State/Union territory Govern­ any request from Government of Mahara­ ments regarding the implementation of shtra to set up a big industry in this district; this Act; and

(b) if so, the details thereof; (d) if so, the details thereof?

(c) whether raw material is available THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE there in abundance for a rayon industry: MINISTRY OF LA W AND JUSTICE (d) whether Government are seriously (SHRI H.R. BHARADWAJ): (a) to (d). considering setting up a big industry there The draft rules under the Dowry Prohibition in the public sector; and (Amendment) Act, 1984 had been framed and circulated to certain State Governments (e) if not, the reasons therefor? for their comments. In the light of the commcnts received from them, the rules THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are being finalised so as to make them MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ simple enough to be implemented properly PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY by the State and Union territor), Govern.. OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHU ARIF ments. 95 Written An.rwm-s JULY %S, 1985

[TraM/alion] [ TralllJlatlonJ

Self Su8Jcieney ia RefiDiag ef CnJd~ 011 Taloo Kerosene Depots in Maclbya Pracleah 71. SHRI KRISHNA PRATAP SINOH: 74. SHRI MAHENDRA SINGH : Will Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased pleased to state: to state:

(a) the present crude oil refining capa­ (a) whether oil companies are .cttiQI ,",P city in the country ; Taluka Kerosene Depots (TKDs) at those places also which are not farflunged and (b) the quantum of crude oil sent . hilly areas and big depots already exist abroad every Year; and nearby;

(c) the time by which the countr}' is (b) whether TKD exist near Nishatpura likely to become self-sufficient in the matter Depot in Bhopal and if so, the reasons of refining of the crude oil ? therefor; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the installed capacity of a TKO; and MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NA WAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to (c). (d) whether TKDs in Madhya Pradesh As against current demand of about 41.S0 remain dry in respect of Kerosene and the MTPA of products, the refining capacity number of TKOs which remain dry? in the country today is 45.55 MTPA. In view of this refining capacity, there may THE MINISTER •OF STATE OF THE not be any export of crude oil at current MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI levels of production. NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) No, Sir. [English] (b) No, Sir. Exploration for Oil Gu in Rajasthan (c) Ins~alled capacity of a TKD depends 72. SHRI VIRDHI CHANDER JAIN: on its thruput and proximity from the Will the MINISTER of PETROLEUM be supply point, and varies from IS Kls to pleased to refer to the reply given to Unsta­ 210 Kis. rred Question No. 353! on 16th August, 1983" regarding exploration for Oil/Gas in (d) The TKO at Niwari in Tikampch Rajasthan by Oil India Limited, and state: District remained dry for three days on 9th, 16th and 26th June, 1985, due to tank (a) the details and names of the areas wagon problems. in Rajasthan lD which seismic Survey and exploration wode has been done by the said [Ellgll.rh] organisation so far ; Scheme to Eumlne Consumer Complaints (b) whether drilling work has not so Car been started; and 75. SHRI G. BHOOPATHY: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (C) if so, the time by which it will be pleased to state : started? (a) whether it is a fact that Indian Postal and Te1e ... communication Service is THE MINISTER OF STATE OF going to start a single window scheme to THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI examine consumer complaints and to take NA WAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) Presen .. necessary addition theroon; and tly. Oil India Limited is conducting seismic survey in the Tanot-Kishangarh areas of (b) if so, the details thor.of ? laisalmer District in Rajasthan. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF T~ (b) &: (c). Oil In~ia Limited expects to MINISTR.Y OF COMMUNICAnONS Itart drlllini in 1986. (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) SinaIo wrItten AtISlNrs 98

wiadow Scheme to examine consumer com­ Kurnool is endangering the Nallamala plaints has been introduced on the telocom forest where Tiger Project is also located; side. On the postal side such complaints and are reccived at the window of aU Post Offices for the convenience of the public. (b) the steps bejng taken by Govern­ ment to stop such unauthorised exploita­ (b) On the tclccom side instructions tion of the forest ? have been issued by Department of Telecom to open pubJic Grievance cells w. e. f. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1.S.85 with "Single Windowtl concept where MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ a member of public could approach an PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY office of this department at Nodal points OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF at one single point only where he may be MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) and (b). No given a token or slip giving serial number information about unauthorised exploitation and date on which to get reply for bis of Nallamala forests by the paper mill in arievance. He should receive suitable advice Kurnool has come to the lIotice of the or desired information on the due date Central Government. ndicated to him. Implementation is in progress. Grievance cell shall accept all The forests under the control of the types of complaint from members of public Government are managed under the pro­ regard ing ar~a under its control and take visions of Working Plan approved by the suitable action in coordination with con­ State Government. These plans specify cerned sections. On the Postal side the the area of annual felling, the quantity position is that the Department of Posts of forest produce to be cut and the routes has a well-organised Complaints Organisa­ for extraction of such produce. tion which has been functioning for several Implementation of these provisions are years. The following offices have full-fledged monitored regularly. The State Government Complaints Branches which deal with com­ has set up special check-posts and mobile plaints regarding the functioning of Postal squads to check unauthorised exploitation services. of forests.

(a) Directorate of Posts, Unusual Deployment and Movement of Pakistani Troops Across Border (b) Offices of Postmasters-General, 77. SHRI R. P. GAEKWAD : Will the (c) Offices of Regional Directors Postal Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : Services, (a) whether any unusual deployment (d) Offices of Divisional Superintendent and movement of Pakistani troops across of Posts Offices/R.M.S. the border came to Government's notice during the past six months; (e) All Gazetted Post Offices. (b) if so, the details in this regard; and Complaints can also be handed over in any other Post Office from where they (c) the reaction of Government thereto? are sent to the Complaints Branch of their THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI controlling hdministrative Office for further P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) and (b) . processing and immediate redressal. Government are aware that the Pakistani UnauttJorised exploitation of Forest by Armed Forces carried out certain exercises Paper Mill at Kurnool along the Indian border during the last winter and this summer. 76. SHRI M SUBBA REDDY : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COM­ (c) Government keep a close watch on PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: all deve)opTJlepts having a bearing on our security with a view to taking appropriate (a) whether it has come to the notice measures to ensure full defeace prepared... of OoverllDlent that the paper miU in ne.s. JULY 23, 19a~

[TrfIIUIGllon] AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Installation of new Equipment in the Telephone ExchaDle at Dewss (M. P.) (a) whether his attention bas been 78. SHRI BAPULAL MALVIY A : Will drawn to a newsitem that appeared in the the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 'NEWS TIME' on 1.6.85, captioned "Paper pleased to state : Industry in critical stage'·.

(a) whether a new equipment was to be (b) whether some units have already installed in the Telephone Exchange at closed down and others are expected to Dewas (M P.) last year but the same has follow if the present trend continues; and been sent somewhere else; (c) if so, steps contemplated by Govern­ ment including the provision of financial (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and assistance, to bring back the paper industry on rails 1 ( c) the time by which Government pro­ pose to install the new equipment there? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF (SHRI RAM NIW AS MIRDHA) : (a) No, MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. Sir. (b) Not applicable in view of (a) above. (b) and (c). Three large paper mills and about 36 small paper mills arc reported to (c) There is a proposal to expand the be lying closed at present on account of exis'ing exchange by 400 lines during the various reasons, sucb as industrial disputes, 7th Plan. financial problems, etc. Government have initiated dialogue with the financial institu· [English] tions/State Governments to work out the specific measures required to improve the Setting up of gas..basecl fertilizer plant at performance of the paper mills. Various Sbahjahan~ur, U. P. j fiscal reliefs arc being extended to assist the 79. PROF. RAM KRISHNA MORE industrY and infrastructural support is also Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND being improved to enable the industry to FERTILIZERS be pleased to state : achieve higher capacity utilisation.

(a) whether Government have approved Strengthening of coast Guard the proposal to set up a Rs. 750 crore aas­ based fertilizer project at Shabjabanpur, 81. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK : U.P., in private sector; and Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state: (b) if so, the details thereof? (a) whether Government are awar~ of THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS the defiCiencies of the coast guard; AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (b) whether there is a great need to VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) and (b). strengthen the coast guard in the countr!; It has been decided that a gas-based fertilizer project would be located at (c) if so, steps taken to rectify the Shahjahanpur, Uttar Pradesh. The mat­ deficiency of the coast guard and to enhance ter regarding selection of the party that its operational capability; and would implement the project is in the final stages of processina. ,(d) the details thereof? Financial Assistance to Paper Industry THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE: 80. SHRI K. RAM CHANDRA (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) and REDDY : Win the WiAiator of INDUSTRY (b). Yes, Sir. 101 Wrltt6" An.rwer8 SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Wrltte" Answers 102

(c) and (d). Keeping in vlew the expan­ THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS sion plants of the Coast Guard and the AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY requirement of personnel to implement tbese AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI plans, increasing numbers of personnel are VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) and (b). beiol inducted into the Coast Guard as direct During 1984, two applications for recruits through planned regular recruit­ Registration with DGTD for the manu­ ment conducted on an all India basis and facture of number of bulk drugs were given the required training. Wherever neces­ received from Industrial Promotion and sary recourse is also had to taking suitable Investment Corporation of Orissa Limited trained personnel on deputation! reemploy­ (IPICOL). Application for the manufacture ment basis from the Indian Navy, till such of bulk drug viz. Chloromphenicol ~as time as the Coast Guard is abJe to recruit rejected as the stage of manufacture was and train personnel to meet all its manpower proposed from a penultimate intermediate. requirements. The other application for the manufacture of bulk drugs viz. Metronidazole, Chlor­ Joint v( nture with algeria In the field of pheniramine Maleate. Phenyl Butazone, Fertilizers Oxyphenylbutazone etc. was rejected for 82. SHRIMATI JAY ANTI PATNAIK : want of material details. Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND Modernisation of telecommunications in FERTILIZERS be pleased to state : tbe Public Sector.

(a) whether Government have a pro­ 84. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT: Will posal to start any joint venture with Algeria the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be in the field of fertilizer production; pleased to state :

(b) if so, the Dame of the public sector (a) whether a proposal to involve the fertilizer company with whjch Algeria private sector in modernising the telecom­ proposes to enter into joint venture; and munications in the country is under con­ sideration of Government; (c) the details of the s~eps take? ~y Algeria and India in launchmg the Jomt (b) if so the details of the proposal venture programme ? and by what time the proposal is likely to be finalised; THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY (c) whether the feasibility of modernis­ AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ing the telecommunications in public sector VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) to (c). Algeria was also considered by Government; and has expressed its desire to establish joint enterprises with India for manufacture of (d) if so, the results thereof? fertilizers. Both sides agreed to examine the reasibility of such a proposal. . THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Issue of Licence to IPICOL to Establish a (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) to unit to produce bulk drugs in Orissa td). It is proposed to modernise and improve the tele:ommunication services in 83. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: the country by using all the available resour­ Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND ces and participation of both the private FERTILIZERS be pleased to state : and the public sector. While the Public (a> whether Government has received Sector will continue to play major role in the an application from the Industrial Promo­ production of telecommunication equipment tion and Investment Corporation of Orissa for modernisation and expansion, keeping Limited (IPICOL) to establish a Unit to in view the large variety and quantities of produce bulk dru,s in the State of Orissa; equipment that will be required, it has been and decided to liberaHse the policy with regard to manufacture and permit production of (b) if so, the steps taken to issue various type.. of terminal eqllipment, etc. DGTD rcaistration and licence to IPICOL used at tho subscribers' pr"mises in the for the above pgrpOleS ? Private Sector. 103 Jff"'tt~ JfMJWe '8 JULY 23, 1985

Shortage of Private Aceommodation for accommodation of Air Force Officers Ana), Atr Porce Oflken at Ambala CaDtonment. and estimates arc under preparation.

8S. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA­ (iii) Another Board of officers bas been SHAR: Will the Minister of DEFENCE established for making good other be pleased to state: deficiencies \\ohich is in progress.

(a) whether there is an acute shortage (iv) In addition, 16 temporary houses have of accommodation for Army I Air Force become available by re-appropriating Officers in the ranks of Major!Wing single officers' accommodation. This is Commander at Ambala Cantonment; to help officers keep their families (,I' temporarily for a period of 3 months, (b) if so, the reasons for the same; in which time one can find a house in the Cantonment/Civil area. (c) whether these officers have to wait as long as two years or longec for allotment Constitution of Postal and TelecommllBicatioD of family accommodatjon and by the time Advisory Committees. their turn comes, they are posted out; 86 PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA~ SHAR : Will the Minister of COMMUNI­ (d) whether there is also an acute CATIONS be pleased to state : shortage of private accommodation at Ambala Cantonment; and (a) whether it has been ensured that (e) if so, the steps proposed to be taken the various Circle level/State Postal and Telecommunication Advisory Committees to provide family accommodation to the have heen constituted and are functioning Defence Officers at the above station? as per norms ; THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (b) if so, the names of the Circles/ P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) Yes, Sir. States where such Committees have not (b) The shortage of accommodation is been constituted and the reasons therefor due to paucity of funds and higher priority as also the dates with effect from which being accorded to operational projects in they are not in existence and the likely the works programme. dates by which these would be constituted',

(c) No, Sir. Majors and Lt. Cols are (c) the number of meetings held by required to wait for an average of 14 months the Committees which were in existence and one year respectively. Squadron Leaders during 1984 and the first quarter of 1985 ; and Wing Commanders have to wait for an and average of 12 months and 3 months (d) the norms for holding their meetings respectively. (periodicity etc.) and whether it would be (d) Suitable/appropriate private acco­ ensured that the Committees which are mmodation is not available in the Canton­ defaulters in this respect observe these norms ment. It is, however, available in Ambala in future? city. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (e) To make good deficiencies in married MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS accommodation, the following steps have (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) and been taken by Army/Air Force HQrs :- (b). There are 24 Postal Advisory Committees in all. Out of these the Committ~ for (i) Proposal for construction of 20 flats Himachal Pradesh has already been Cons­ for Majors is being processed for sanc­ tituted. Orders for the reconstitution of tion. With this 100 per cent accommoda­ another 19 Postal Advisory Committees tion will be available to officers of the have been issued recently. Out of the remain­ rank of, Majors. ing 4 Committees yet to be reconstituted. the nominations of the State Governments (ii) Board of officers have approved to are still awaited in respect ()t Aadhta make 8004 4cflcicncic$ of married Pfadcsh and Punjab. TIt6 ~.r tboJo t os Writte" "4""",,, SRA VANA 1. 1907 (SAKA) Wrltt,n. A1Uw~r, ~

ComQUt.. expire4 on 31.12.1983. Tho SI. NQl!I6 0/ ~dYls()ry llate 0/ nomiDations in respect of Deth~ and Rajutban have been received and tlle No. Committee Expiry Committees are expected to be reconstituted shortly. T.I.plaone Diltrictl:

(c) Only one meeting of Postal Advisory 1. Allahabad New case Committee for Himachal Pradesh was beld 2. Gauhati d urina 1984. 31.5.83 3. Lucknow 31.4.83 (d) As per the Constitution of the Postal Advisory Committees. ordinarily the 4. Patna 31.7.84 Committees will meet once in six month•. S. Rajkot 30.4.84 The observance of this Dorm will be 6. Surat ensured. 30.4.84 7. Trivendrum 30.6.84 Telecom. Stales/Union Territories:

(a) One Telephone Advisory Committee 8. Andaman &: Nicobar 31.10.84 for each telephone District and ono Islands Telecommunication Advisory Committee for each State/Union Territory is constituted. 9. Bihar 31.5.84 There are 60 Telephones/Telecommunication 10. Dadra & Nagar 31.5.84 Advisory Committees for whole of the Haveli country. 41 Advisory Committees have been constituted and are Functioning. 11. Karnataka 30.6.84 12. Kerala 30.6.84 (b) The names and the dates of expiry of their last term of the Advisory Commi­ 13. Mizoram 31.5.83 ttees still to be reconstituted are given in 14. Nagaland it.S.84 the statement attached. 15. Orissa 31.5.84 Recommendations under various cate­ 16. Punjab 30.6.83 gories are required to be obtained from the Ministry of Parliamentary Affairs for 17. Sikkim 31.5.84 M.P.s, State Legislative Assemblies for 18. 31.5.84 MLAs and others from the concerned G~.ral Managers of Telecommunications 19. Uttar Pradesh 30.4.83 Circles/Telephone Districts. This takes some time. The reconstitution of these Commi­ Construction of Earth Stations in North ttees is under active consideration of the Western Telecom Circle Governments and are expected to be 87. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA. constituted shortly. SHAR: Will tbe Minister of COMMUNI. (c) Information is being collected and CATIONS be pleased to state: will be laid on the Table of the House. (a) whether a number of earth sta tions (d) The meetings of the Committee are are under construction in North Western to be held once in a quarter. Instructions Telecommunication Circle for improveQ1ent already exist to ensure strict observ~tion of in telecommunications; the norms prescribed for the meetinp of .(b) if so, the names of such places and these Committees. the likely dates by which these would be STATEMENT conunissioned; and (c) whether any more such places have Stat~ent showi~. the names and datea of expiry of the Advisory Committees still also been solccted for this purpose a nd the to be reeonstituted. nA,D)e8 thereof? JULY 23, \915

THE MINISTER OF STAlE OF THE PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINIS­ MINISTRY COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Y cs Sir MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) The Indian (b) JCulu 85-86 Engineering Industry bas recorded subs­ tantial growth in many sectors while the Kalpa cl KeyloDg 86-87 growth in a few sectors has lagged during the Sixth Plan period. An illustrative (c) No Sir. statement is enclosed. Growth of EnaiDeeriq IDduatr, (b) The growth in production of some 88. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the engineering industries was affected. amongst Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY other factors, due to shortage of power, AFFAIRS be pleased to state: shortage of raw materials and temporary inbalances in supply and demand. (a) whether the growth record of the Indian Engineering Industry was not encouraging during the Sixth Plan period; (c) Government have taken several measures to stimulate industrial production. (b) if so, the main factors responsible These include, inter alia, provisions for therefor; and automatic growth, de-licensing of some industries. providing flexibility to the (c) the steps proposed to be taken to manufacturers to adjust their product-mix remove the bottleneck and increase the through schemes of broad-banding in some output of different sectors in the engineering industries, and improving the infrastructural industry? support. The performance of engineering ind ustry is being monitored regularly and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE policy correctives as necessary are being MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM- initiated, from time to time.

STATEMENT

Growth in Production of Selected Industries During Sixth Plan

SI. Industry A/c. Actual Production Average growth No. Unit 1979-80 1984·85 per annum

(Provisio- in % d urins na] Vlth Plan period I. 2. 3, 4. s. 6. I. Basic MetallndlUtries (34/b) 1. Steel Castings Th. Tonnes 73.1 85.4 <+) 3.2 2. Steel Forgings -do- 121.5 152.9 <+) 4.7 3. Transmission Towers -do- 95.3 115.3 <+> 3.9 4. Structurals -<10- 105.2 129.9 <+> 4.3 5. Seamless steel tubes -do- 27.0 4&.0 <+> 11.2 6. Black &: Galvanised -do- 615.6 821.1 6.1 pipes & tubes <+)

7. C.I. SPUD pipes -do- 177.4 178.0 (+> 0.1 8. Alum inium Pilso --do- 3.9 9.2 <+) 18.7 tM Jf'rlttd AIIiwt,., SltA VANA 1t 1~ (SA1G4) "'ritt." Answ~r.r 110

11. Manufactur~ of Metal Products Except Mechallical & Tran8port Equipment (3S)

1 2 3 4 5 6 9. Bolts, Nuts and Rivets Th. Tonnes 26.4 16.7 (-) 8.7 10. Wire ropes -<10- 30.4 32.0 <+> 1.1 n. Forged Hand Tools Rs. croros 27.S 29.S <+> 1.4 111. Man,qaclure of MachiMry Exct'pt Electrical (36)

12. Boilers Rs. crores 259.S 537.6 (+> 15.7 13. Diesel, Engines (Statinary) -do- 144.6 170.9 <+> 3.4 14. Sugar Machinery Rs. crores 31.6 43.7 <+> 6.7 15. Mining Machinery -do- 30.3 47.9 <+> 9.6 16. Metallurgical Machinery (incl. steel plant equipment) -do- 42.2 63.0 <+) 8.4 17. Chemical &: Pharmaceuticals Machinery -do- 79.8 155.0 <+) 14.2

18. Paper &: Pump Machinery -do- 32.1 20.2 (-) 8.9

19. Cement Machinery Rs. crores 25.3 53.8 <+) 16.3

20. Printing Machinery -do- 7.3 14.7 <+ >15.0 21. Rubber Machinery -do- 8.0 13.9 <+> 11.7 22. Earth Moving equipment Nos. 1285 1627 <+) 4.8 23. Cranes Th. Tonnes 16.7 20.7 <+> 4.4 24. Lifts Nos. 854 1422 <+) 10.7 25. power Driven Pumps Th. Tonnes 346.8 482.8 <+> 6.8 26, Air IOas compressors Th. Nos. 13.3 30.8 <+) 18.3 27. Machine Tools Rs. crores 165.2 302.8 <+) 12.9 28. Agricultural Tractors Th. Nos. 62.4 85.0 (+> 6.4 29. Road Rollers Nos. 823 309 (-) 17.8 ,/ IY. M.,.,qacturl of E/,ctrical Appliance, (37) 30. PoWOJ' Transformers Mill. KVA 18.6 25.5 <+) 6.5 31. Electric Motors Mill. HPA 3.7 4.9 <+) 5.8 32. Eloctric Fans Mill. Nos. 3.9 4.8 <+> 4.:" Ww, & Cabl" • 33. ACSa/AAC Th. Tonnes 69.1 53.2 (-) 5.1 0,,,.,. BllCtri,al, 34. Storap Batteries Th. Nos. 1645 1997 <+> 4.0 35. Motor Starters ct Con- -do- 1132.9 1418.0 4.Ci tacton <+> ,J 111 Wf'ittt!1I AIIIW6" JULY 23, 1985 W,ltt,,, A....wm 112

Y. Transport EqulpIMn/ (38)

1 2 3 4 S 6

36. Railway Wagons Th. Nos. 12.1 13.0 <+) 1.4 37. Commercial Vchicles -do- S7.4 96.8 <+> 11.0 38. Cars -do- 33.1 74.2 (+> 17.5 39. Jeeps -do- 14.1 25.2 <+> 12.3 40. Motor Cycles -do- 90.3 181.9 <+) 15.0 41. Scooters -do- 155.4 322.2 <+) 15.7 42. Mopeds/Scooters -do- 71.8 413.9 C+> 42.0 43. Three Wheelers -do- 17.S 43.S <+) 20.0 44. Bicycles -do- 3736.3 5892.5 <+) 9.S vi. Misc. Manufacturing Industrie8 (39) 45. Clocks Th. Nos. 312.9 229.0 (-) 6.1 46. Wrist Watches Mill. Nos. 4.6 S.S <+> 3.6

ProdudioD and Utilisation of Natural Gas Export of Crude Oil

89. SHRI K. PRADHANI: Will the 90. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA : Will Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: state:

(8) whether Government have a pro­ (a) the total quantity of crude oil ex­ posal to pay greater attention to the pro­ ported during the last three years year-wise duction and utilisation of natural gas; and the amount earned;

(b) if so, the target set in Seventh Plan (b) the names of the countries to Which for the production of natural gas; it was exported;

(c) the programme proposed to be (c) the agency through which the ex­ implemented for the utilisation of natural port is bting made; las in the above Plan period; and (d) whether there is a great demand of our products in foreign countries; and (d) the details thereof? (e) if so, the likely export of crude oil THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE during the year 198'·86 both in terms and MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI quantity and value ? NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, Sir. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLBUM (SHRI (b) to (d). The Seventh Plan has not NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) The yet been finalised. The target for produc­ quantity of crude oil exported and the tion of natural gas and details of the foreign exchange earned during tbe last procrammes for its utilisation would be three years is given below : firmed up only thereafter. However, it is proposed to utilise the gas for meeting the Year Qty.·'OOO To""" p~ reedstock requirements of fertilizer de petro­ RI.le""" chenttcsl plants-ror extraction of LPG and 1982--83 4552 1063.31 for power seaeration. 1983-84 $522 1231.10 J984-85 64'78 .".1' tIl Writt• ..4",W" SRAVANA 1, 1901 (SAKA) Writ",. AIUW." 114

(b) It is difficult to specify the coun­ to the information furnished by tho tries to which these go as the transactions Committee for Implementing Legal Aid are with international 011 traders. Schemes, constituted by the Government Legal Aid Camps were organised in different (c) IOC is the canalising agency for States during years 1983-84 and 1984 .. 85. expert of crude oil. (b) The main aims and objectives of (d) Does not arise as our products are organising Logal Aid Camps are :- mainly for domestic consumption. (i) to create legal awareness amons (e) It is estimated that the export of the people about their rights and crude oil during 1985-86 may b..; about· benefits conferred upon them by social welfare laws and Govern­ 0,5 M.T. valued at about Rs. 140 erores. mental Schemes and measures; Legal Aid Camps organised in States (Ii) to prOVide legal advice and assis­ 91. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA : Will tance to the period at the Legal the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be Aid Camps and also ensure assis­ pleased to state : tance to them in revenue and other matters; and (a) whether legal aid camps were organised in different states during the year (iii) to bring about settlement of dis.. 1983-84 and 1984-85; putes which have not gone to the courts because of proverty of the (b) the aims and objects of orgamsmg people involved. these camps and how far these camps are successful; The Lok Adalats are being held at Legal Aid Camps and even independently of such (c) the number and places where such Camps lfl some States, such as Gujarat, camps were orgamc;;ed 1D Orissa dunng the Maharasatra, Tamil Nadu, U.P. and Orissa. said period; and (c) & (d). During 1983-84, 102 Camps (d) the number of persons benefited? were held and 3708 applications for legal aid were received. During 1984-85, liS Camps THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE were held and 2135 applications were MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE received. The details are given in statement (SHRI H.R. BHARDWAJ): (a) According I &: II attached.

STATEMENT I

THE PLACES WHERE THE LEGAL AID CAMPS WERE HELD BY DIFFERENT LEGAL AID COMMITTEES IN THE STATE OF ORISSA DURING THE YEAR 1983-84.

Sr. Name of Committee No. of Legal Aid Places/dates (As given in No. Camps held the Progress Report (As given by the received from the Board) Board)

1 2 3 4

1. Sub-Divisional Logal Aid 1 i) Tigire/5.2.84. Committee, Athgarh. ii) Gopapur /2.3.84 2. Bargarh Sdl. Lelal Aid 4 i) Patherala /1<;:3.84 Committee. ii) Tulandf.U.3.84 iii) Bbukte 25.3.84 ii~ Writt,,, AlUw"s jUL~ 23, 1985 W,I"na Alf.fWrl U,

I 2 3 4

3. Bhadtak Sdl. Legal Aid I Committee.

4. Bhanjanagar Sdl. Legal 2 i) Buguda/27.11.83 Aid Committee. ii) Aska/26.2.84 iii) Tarasing/ll.3.84 5. District Legal Aid 2 i) Bolangir/26.12.83 Committee Bolangir. ii) Chudapali/2S.3.84

6. Sub-Divisional Legal 1 i) Gurundia/2S.3.84 Aid Committee Bolangir

7. Champua Sub-divisional S . i) Raula/4.S.83 Legal Aid Committee. ii) Champua/26.11.83 iii) Nischintpur / S.2.84 iv) Tukudiha/26.2.84 v) Champakpur/25.3.84 8. Sub-divisional Legal Aid 2 i) Polsara/ (PurshotampurI Board/Committee Chatrapur IS.2.84. • ii) Rambha/26.2.84 9. District Legal Aid Committee t i) Banki/28.1.84. Cuttack.

10. Sub-divisional Legal Aid 3 i) Tinkbir/8.1.84 Committee Deogarh. ii) Konser/19.2.84 iii) Laimera/4.3,84

11. Sub-divisional Legal Aid 2 i) Committee Dharamgarh.

12. Sub-Divisional Legal Aid 6 i) Athamalik/12.ai.83 ,Committee Dhankanal. ii) Talcher/7.S.83 iii) Sadansi/24.S.83 iv) Chandipada/9.12.83 v) Sadasi vpur/17.12.83. vi) Bhubum/29.1.84

13. Distt. Legal Aid Committee .. i) Parlakhemudi/l1.4.83 Ganjam. ii) Kodala/ 17.12.83 iii) Parlakhemundi/l1.2.84 iv) Digpahandi/l J.2.84

14. Sub-divisional Legal Aid 3 i) Padampur/30.11.84 Committee Gunupur. ii) Gudari/26.2.84 iii) Bissam/19.3.84

15. Sub.divisional Legal Aid 1 i) Somnathat/25.2.84. Committee Jagatsingpur

16. Sub-divisional Legal L.A. I i) Binjharpur/13.1.84 Committee Jaipur.

17. Sub-dvl. Legal Aid 3 i) Talapatia/21.8.83 ~ommittee Jharsuauda. ii) Lakbanpur/19.2.84 i11 W,III." A."",." SRA VANA 1II 1907 (SA.L4) Wrlll." A."sw'fI U8

1 2 3 4

18. Distt. Legal Aid Committee 4 i) Dharamgarh/16.1.84 JCalahandi. ii) Madanpur/Bampur/12.2.84

19. Khurda Sub.Divisional Legal 2 i) Pubusaishi/20.11.83 Aid Committee ii) Bolgarh/18.12.83 iii) Kul upadaghatj 2S ,3.84

20. Karaput Distt. Legal Aid 1 i) Nandapur/9.12.83 Committee. ii) KUOluloput/17.3.84

21. Koraput SDN. Legal Aid 1 i) Padampur/30.11.83 Committee ii) Nandpara/7.12.83 iii) Lakshmipur/19.3.84 22 Kuchinda SOL. LEGAL AID 5 j) Jamankira/19.2.84 Committee ii) Kuntara/26.2.84 iii) Ardabhal/9.3.84 iv) Benkey /11.3.84 v) Jaisar/14.3.84

23. Malkangiri Distt. Legal Aid 2 i) Balimela/(Orkal)/11.12.83 Committee ii) Kalimela/2.2.84 iii) Mithili /1 0.2.84 jv) Mithilij4.3.84

24. Mayurbhanj Sub~divjsional i) Udala/3.2.84 Legal Aid Com1llittee. ii) Keranjia/26.2.84 25. Nawada Sub-Divisional Legal 1 i) Sunapali/26.2.84 Aid Committee. ii) Beftukrij19.2.84 jji) Bhela/S.2.84

26. Distt. Legal Aid Committee 2 i) Nuagan!t 0.12.83 Nayagarh. ii) Rampur/7.1.84 27. Nilgiri Sub-Divisional Legal i) Behrampur/7.1.84 Aid Committee. ii) Mitrapur/4.2.84

28. Nowarangpur Sub-Divisional 7 i) Balimela/ll.12.83 Lepl Aid Committee. ii) Deopali/4.12.83 jji) Kosanguda/27.J.84 iv) Kotinga/13.2.84 v) Padahangi/2S.2.84

29. Sub-Divisional Legal Aid 3 i) Birmitrapur/21.1.84 Committee Panposh.

30. Patnaprh Sub-Divisional Legal S i) Harishankar/IO.12.83 Aid Committee ii) Patnagarh /26.12.83 iii) Belpada/14.t.84 iv) Mandal/14.1.84 v) Ghasiam/26.2.84

31. Sub Divisional Legal Aid 3 i) Seranga/25.9.83 Committee Parlakhemundi. ii) Gumma/J 9.3.83 iii) Labanyagoda/6.1! .83 Iv) Gairana/4•2•84 JULY 23, 1985

1 2 3 4

32. Distt. Legal Aid Committee 4 Committee Phulbani.

33. Puri Distt. Legal Aid Committee. i) Banpur/16.12.83 ii) Konark/11-12.2.84

34. Rairakhol Sub-Divisional Legal 2 i) Rairakohhol/28.1.84 Aid Committee.

35. Raiyagoda Sub-Divisional 4 i) Kolnara/29.t.84 Leeal Aid Committee. ii) CharmalJ25.2.84 iii) K.S. Singpur/26.2.84 iv) Devagiri/l.3.84 v) Rayagoda/18.3.84 vi) Gumma/20.3.84

36. Sambalpur Sub-Divisional Lega1 3 i) Nrusinghanaph/14.t.84 Aid Committee. ii) Naktiduelj30.l.84 iii) Bheden/ll.2.84

37. Sonepur Sub-Divisional Legal 3 i) Dhungaripali/19.2.84 Aid Committee. ii) BinkaJll.3.84 iii) Kulunda/30.3.84

38. Sundergarh Distt. Legal Aid 2 i) Hemagiri/2S.2.84 Committee. ii) Lephripara/25.2.84 39. Titlagarh Sub-Divisional Legal 3 i) Khandkelgoan/27.11.83 Aid Committee. ii) Kholan/27.12.83 iii) Kursuda/26.2.84

40. State Legal Aid & Advice 2 i) BhawanipatnajI3.4.83 Board. ii) Deogarh/3.12.83 iii) Kalahandi/13.4.83

STATEMENT II 1 2 1. Mahakaldestea DETAILS OF CAMPS HELD IN 4. Athgarh 2. Mahaka)destea ORISSA DURING THE YEAR 1984-85 3. Kandarsi Sub-Divisional Place of Camp Committees 5. Bhanjnagar 1. Gangapur 2. Kulad ] 2. . 3. Badabarasing 1. Anandpur I. Vidyadharpur 4. Nuagam 2. Rewa} 3. Bankhidi 6. Boudh 1. Palassqura 4. Tartars 2. Ghantapada Hataseskhal S. 1. Rajumun da TherubaJi 7. Bonai 6. 2. Gurunadi 3. Tandra 2. Angul 1. Banarpal 2. Jagannathpur 4. Dujing 3. Jarapada S. Khuntagamkairs 1. OuaH 3. Athamallik 1. Kisornagar .8 Champua .'11'."." ...... 't2'1 SRAVANA 1.1i1107 l(SAKA) '"'",_~, -122

J 2 - 1 2

9. Chatrapur 1. ~bi&\lQ'aoaaar 25. Rayapda 1. Sulipadar 2. Poltampur 2. Jamidipeta 3. Tftri 10. Daugarb 1. Kalla 4. KasipW' 2. RemaJ Hataseskhal 3. DaateripahaJ 6.'. Therubali 11. Ounupur I, Jalabar 2'. Sonipur I. Tarva 2. Patasins 2. Menda 3. .Jaaannathpur 3. Kalapathar 4. Ramaaguda 4. Bankigirdi '. Hanumantpur 5. Lachhipur 12. Hiadol 1, Hatura 27. Tillagarh 1. Luthabandba 2. SindbakaJa 13. Jagat.)in~pur 1. Nuagan 3. DhammfetJp 2. Rashunatbpur 28. Takhat Kankili 14. Kamakshyana gar 1. Raisinga 1. 2. Harijanpada 2. Tumusings 3. Sarna I Karanjia Anprpada 15. 1. DlJfflet Leral Aid 2. Sukuruli Commlttee8 16. Kandi~aGa t. Derabis 1. Bolangir Kurulu 2. Rajkanika 1. 3. Aul 2. Cuttack 1. Naraslnll'ur 2. Kujan. 17. Kuchinda 1. Kuturachuan 3. Barampa 2. K, Tumunkira 4. Jagpur 3. Bamra 3, Ganjam 1. Palur 18. Kburda 1. Kunudi 2. K.T.N. pur 3. GOlldagotha 19. Koraput 1. 4. Belgunta 20. Nawapada 1. Sarahanaa 4, KaJahandt t. NarJa 2, Lakbama 2, Utka)a 3. KaJampur 21. Nawarangpur 1. Kaosagumuda 2. Bijapur S, Korapu1 1. Balimeda 3. Raigarh 2. MalkanJir{ 4. Towwhat 3, Baiparipdk S. Siahlluti 4. Kotpad Nauaan 22. Pal-Lahara 1. Chasaguruj anI '.6, Kalilam 23, Padampur ] . MandasiI 6, Ml.ikanairi 1. Chitrakand 2. Panimora 7. Nayagarh I. Chhamundia 24. Parlakhamundi 1. Narayanpur 2. Babadajbola 2. Kainpur 3. ~anipata 8. Pbull_i t. TU.. r ~, (JuD1ltU\ 2, Dbaya 123 "'tf"", A,."",.' JULY 23, 19• .5

1 2 (a) the various types of telephone linea 9. Pori Public 1. Nimapara in respect of which equipment has been 2. Pipli produced by the Indian Telephone Industries 3. Puri during 1983-84 and 1984-85; Brahmanagaci Public Meetings 5 (b) whether the production is below lSatpada the target; and 4. Sakhfgopal (c) if so, the reasons thereror? 10. Sundergarh 1. Rajgangpur 2. Oangapur THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 3. Dadaralunda MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 4. Subdega (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA):

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Introduction of eounter postal semee In MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI BarabanJd District or Uttar Pradesb NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to (c). On the basis of periodical surveys for 94. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD RAWAT~ identifying locations for setting up economl­ Wtll the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS cally viable distributorships for LPG, be pleased to state: petrol/diesel. the Oil Industry draws up an (b) whether Government are consider­ no annual M.arketing Plan. While there is ing appointment of extra-departmental proposal in the 1985-86 Marketing Plan for distribution agents and making provision of opening of a petrol/diesel outlet in Bara­ counter postal service in villages during the banki District, there is one for an LPG annual plan of 1985-86; distributorship at Rudauli. The advertise­ ment for inviting applications for this distri­ (b) if SO~ the number of villages in the butorship is expected to issue in August! Barabanki District of Uttar Pradesh where September, 1985. Counter Postal Service bas been introduced; ProdUetioD of telephoae equipment by and IocUan Teleplaoae IadUltrieI (c) if not, the reasons therefor? 93. SHRI KAMLA PRASAD RAWAT: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE be pleased to atato: MINISTI.Y Of COMMUNICATIONS 125 Writ/'ll ~lUWerl· SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Wrilllft ~1IIWer.r 126

(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) thereby keep the prices under check and TarBetl for 1985-86 for different postal also ensure availability. Government would Circles for appointment of E.D.D.As. and take a decision on the changes/modification Counter Service Facility have not yet been needed in the Drug Policy keeping in view finalised due to operation of the economy all the relevant factors and various view orders banning creation of new posts. points.

(b) and (c). Does not arise. Target for telephone connections In tbe country [&wl/lh] Demand to free delicensed drugs from price 96. SHR! AMARSING RATHAWA: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS cootrol be pleased to state: 95. SHRI JAGANNATH PATNAIK: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND (a) the targets set for telephone con­ FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: nections in the countrv duriog the Sixth Five Year Plan period, State-wise; (a) whether any demand has been made by the Indian Drugs Manufacturers (b) the S tate-wise achievement made Association to Government to free the one during the Sixth Plan period; hundred delicensed drugs from price control; (c) whether it is a fact that the target and fixed could not be achieved, if so, the details thereof; and ( b) if so, the details regarding these drugs, alongwith the arguments placed and (d) whether any target has been fixed the reaction of Government thereon? for the Seventh Five Year Plan, if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) and (b). (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) and Government pad delicensed for Don-FERA t b). The information j s given in the state­ and non-MRTP Companies bulk drugs/ ment attached. iatermediates in March, 1985 and 82 bulk druss and related formulations in June, (c) Targets to the tune of 71 % have 1985. The Indian Drug Manufacturers been achieved. Association had requested that a more pragmatic approach should be adopted for (d) The allocation of funds has not increasing the production of delicensed bulk been finalised so far for the 7th Plan period. drugs by freeing them from the rigours of The targets will be fixed when the final price control. Tho Association was of the allocation in the plan is known. However, view that price decororol would result in annual target of 2 lakh lines to be provided tree competition in tho market and would during 1985-86 hlS beeR fixed.

STATEMENT

Sl. T,I.com. Clrcl.: I.nl", Slate, including 6th Five Y4rar Pltm No. T.J.pIrOM Dlltricl8. period Targllt Achle'lImtmt

1 2 3 4

1. ANlhI't:J Prt:VM8h. (Including Hyderabad, 87,700 70,449 Vijaywada Telephone DistriCts)

Bi1lfl1! (Iocludilll Patoa Telephono District). 28,5!Q 12,~34 127 1',1".,. .t4111W1t1 JULY U, 1985 "rllI." ~IIIW'" 128

1 2 3 4

3. Gll/tIT"" (lncludins Ahmedabad, Baroda, 86,070 12.m Rajkot and Surat Telephone Districts. Also lecvina DaJpaD, Diu, Dadra and Nasar Haveti, Salvasa.)

13.310 4,764

5. KQl7lQtaktl. (1M1ucUDI BaDIaIore Telephone 61,650 62,8'3 District).

6. lC6r.la. (lnc1udin. Calic.t, Ernakulam, 44,110 44,253 Trivandrum Telephone Districts. Also serving Mabe cl Laklhadweep).

7. 'M#ItlIqa haMsM. (lncludina Indore Telephone 41,110 25/f14 District).

I. Mq/waIhtra. (Illcludina Bomba.y, NaJPUl' 317,OlG 2,16,~ and Pooe Telephono Districts. Also servia, Goa.)

t. North Etut. (CoveriDI Assam. Tripnta, 28,770 9,445 Manipur. Mizoram, Nasaland, Mcahltlaya, ArWlacbal Pradesh and includiol Gaullati Telephone Districts.)

10. North Wat. (Coveriog Punjab, Haryana, 67,740 56,915 Himachal Pradesh. Includina Amritsar, Chandilarh Julluadur and Ludbilna Tele· phone Districts).

11. Orlna. ... 2!,680 10,63'

12. RaJtulhan. (Including Jaipur Telephone 52,880 31,3" District.)

13. Tamil Nadu. (lncludfna Coiulbatore, Madra. & Madurai Telephone Districts). Also setVilll Pondichorry.

14. Uttar 1','*111 (Includib. Alra, Allahabad, 65,740

Luc"owt J{anpur aneS Varanaai Telephone Districts). ... SRAVANA 1, 19G7 (SAKA) Wrlttm AlUW1r6 130

1 2 3 4

15. WftI lknsDI. (Including Calcutta Telephone 90,210 38,702 Districts).

DeJIU. (Delhi Telephone District). 1,40,S40 1,00,906 Dolhi Union Territory. ------GRAND TOTAL: 12,37,280 8,83,813 ------

Targets fixed In regard to Fertilizers THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE during Sixth Five Year Plan MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, 97. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: Sir. The Telephone Advisory Committee for Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND Patna Telephone District has been reconsti­ FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: tuted on 19.7.85 for two years. The details of functions of the Committee are given in (a) the production targets fixed by the Statement attached. Government during Sixth Five Year Plan in rcaard to fertilizers; and (b) Does not arise in view of reply to part (a) above. (b) how far we have succeeded in achieving the targets? STATEMENT

THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Funct;oTU 0/ Te/~phone Advisory Committee AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI 1. Bringing the telephone using public and VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) Tho Sixth Five the Department of Telecommunications Year Plan had envisaged a production level into closer relationship. of '42 lath tonDes of Nitrogen and 14 lakh 2. Giving the public confidence their tonnes of PI 06 by the end of the Plan i.e. 1984:85. grievances are being properly represented and attended to. (b) The actual production of fertilizers during the year 1984-85 was 39.17 lath 3. Advising the Department on the im .. tonnes of Nitrogen and 12.64 lath tonnes provement of local and trunk services. of p.O . I 4. Giving publicity to the actions bein, SettiDg up of teJepboae advisory committee taken by the Department for improvin, for Pataa and developing the telephone service.

98. SHRI PllAKASH CHANDRA : 5. Assisting the Department in handling Will tho Minister of COMMONICATlONS the present shortages in telephone be pleased to atate: equipment and lines by invoking co­ operation and patience from public. (~) wbe~er Gqvernment have set up a Telephone Advisory Committoo for the 6. Assisting the Department in deciding Patoa telephone distrldt and it so, when out-or.turn connections as provided and the details of the functions of the Com­ under the rules on a fair and equitable mittee; and basis by jOint assessment of the cem­ parative merits of various applicants in (b) if not. the reasons rot inordinate tho waitina list under tho OYT and 4ola)' in th CODJtitutioD of this Commiuee? Non..()YT Special cate,oey. JULY, ~3. 1~8S WrltWn A.1IIW,,8 IS2

Electrenlc Telephone Exchanges ia the 11. Rajastban Badhul, Rampur, COllatr, Bidiyal Lalam, Lamba 99. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA: . Narsingh, Bichoon, SHRI K. MOHAN nAS : Bhandrej, Kharchawa, Mojmebad, Sainthal, Will tho Minister COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state : Khacharia, Karansar, Bariyal Kalan, Kalwa,

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 4. Delhi (UT) Delhi MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA (8) Electro­ 5. Andhra Pradesh Hyderabad nic local telephone excbanges have started functioning at following places during the 6. Gujarat Ahmedabad, Por- last two years (i.e. 1983-84 and 1984-85); bander. Mehsana

Slate • 7. Assam Tinasukhia, Jorhat 8. Haryana Gurgaon 1. Maharashtra Bombay, Mehunbari, Pimpalgaon Chahardi, 9. Punjab Pathankot, • Khanna Khcdgaon. Bahadar­ pur, Kurhe. 10. Rajasthan Sriganganagar, Beawar, Palimarwar. Alwar 2. Tamil Nadu Madras, Mallanginar, Kakkivadampath. 11. U.P. Kanpur

3. West Bengal Calcutta. 12. Manipur Imphal

4. Delhi (U.T.) Delhi 13. Bihar Gaya

5. Andhra Pradesh Kurnool 14. J &: Ie Srinapr

6.0ujarat Ganhidham, Veraval. IS. Karnataka Oulbarga

7. Assam Dibrugarh 16. Kerala Chin.enachorri

8. Haryana Sirsa In addition, some small , line eJectaonic 9. U.P. Ujbh&ni, Almora exchanges are likely to be commissionod ill 198.)-86 in some of tho states. 10. Kerala Chumda Kuzhy, Par1lppara (c) No, Sir SRA VANA 1, 1907 (S,4KA)

Perl..... Gual'llteel f."ThaI .. V"'het (a) the steps being taken to fill up the PIeDt by DaDilb firm, Haldor Topse vacant posts of Judges in Supreme Court 100. SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA : and several High Courts to help disposal of pending cases as early as possible; Win the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state : (b) how many posts of Judges are lyin. (a> whether Haldor Topse, a Danish vacant for over a year, Statewise and the multinational fertilizer consultancy firm, steps proposed to fill them; refused to give performance guarantees for ThaI-Vaishet Plant in case the public sector (c) the other steps proposed fur speedy organisation-(PDIL's (Projects and Develop. disposal of large number of long pending ment India Limited) catalysts were used in cases before Supreme Court and High the plant; Courts; and

(b) whether it is also a fact that the POlL (d) whether the strength of High Court as an independent competitor in the field Judges has also been raised? of catalysts bas captured the Indian market; and THE MINISTER OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI A. K. SEN); (a) and (b). (c) whether the refusal of Haldor Tops The matter regarding filing up the vacancies indicates any particular motive of the of Judges in the Supreme Court and the multinational company ? High Courts is engaging the attention of the Government in consultation with the THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS constitutiona4 authorities concerned. AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) and (c). In terms A statement I showing the number of of the agreement between M/ s Rashtriya posts of Judges of High Courts 1ying vacant Chemicals and Pprtilizers (RCF) and Mis for over a year is enclosed. • Haldor Topsoe for consultancy and related ( c) Steps taken to reduce pendency are services for the Ammonia Plant of the Thal­ given in the attached statement-II. The Vaishet Fertilizer Project, the performance Government continues to address itself to guarantees are subject to the Ammonia the problem of pendency. Plant being loaded with the catalysts of consultants' make or those approved by (d) The Judge strength of High Courts the consultants. Mis Haldor Topsoe did has been raised from time to time. Further not approve use of the catalysts manu· increase is also engaging the attention of factured by MIs POlL. However, after the Government. negotiations, Haldor Topsoc agreed to give Performance guarantees to the second stream of ammonia plant in which most STATEMENT of the catalyst were from PDIL subject to satisfactory performance of the POlL Sr. No. High Court. No. 0/ posts of catalyst. luigI' vacant for ONr a year. (b) The market share of PDIL's cata­ lysts has increased over the years. 1. Andhra Pradesh S VaamcleI of Judles and d'.polal or pending 2. Bombay S aM fa Hip Courts and Supreme Court 3. Gujarat 2 101. SHRI V. SOBHANADRBESWARA 4. Kerala 2 RAO: s. Madhya Pradesh 1 SHRI B. V. DESAI : SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: 6. Madras 6 7. Punjab &: Haryana S WiD the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleuecl to .tate : 26 JULY 25, 1985

STATEMENT II v) The lSiJPre&M Court AuJoI 1'iete revised in 1966 prOY.idiltl for prin­ SlIps laken /rom time to time tD reduce ting of records under its own Pendency supervision. As that was also tak­ ing quite sometime the court ()f The following steps have been taken Jate has started w1terever f>OIs ib1e in recent years to reduce pendency in dispensing with the preparation Supreme Court and High Courts: of records and bearing the 1. The Code of Civil Procedure was appeals on spccialleave paper-book amended in 1976 to abolish Letters itself after the parties have filed Patent Appeals from judgment or Single their counter-affidavits and affida­ ludae of the High Court in second vits in reply. appeal (Vide Section lOOA). 7. Apart from the above certain High 2. The Code of Criminal Procedure based Courts are taking the following steps on the recommendations of the Law for ensuring better disposal of cases ; Commission was enacted in 1973. (a) Cases involving common questions 3. Judge strength of the Supreme Court are being grouped by several Hish has been raised from 13 to 17 excluding Courts. the Chief Justice with effect from (b) Matters fixed for hearina by giving 31-12-77 by amending the Supreme short returnable dates. Court (Number of Judges) Act, 1956. (c) Dispensing with printing of re. 4. The sanctioned strength of the High cords. Court Judges has been increased from 351 in March, 1977 to 424 on ]st July, (d) Expediting and giving priorjty to 1985. matters under certain Acts.

5. The Supreme Court rules have been 8. The Government have also addrOiled amended to vest more powers in the the Chief Ministers of States and Chief Registrars and Judges in Chambers so Justices of High Courts in which there that the time of the court is not wasted is a heavy pendency of civil easea over in ·petty miscellaneous matters. S years old to consider appointlDent of retired judges under Artic)e 224A of 6. Supreme Court bas also taken the the Constitution. following measures : 9. The recommendations contained in the , i) Priority is given to certain mat­ 79th report of the Law COdlmiaaion ters; have been examined. As action on majority of the recommendations is to ii) Miscellaneous matters aTe fixed be taken by the State Governmonts and daily; High Courts.. these have been sent to them along with the views of the iii) Writ Petitions with identical Union Government and they have been quotations are grouped together requested to take necessary action. and batches running from SO to 100 matters are Hsted together for 10. The Government have also appointed hearing; Law Commi$sion (10th Law Commis­ sion) to keep under reView tllo .,.aem iv) Other matters involving identical of judicial admiQistration in the coun. questions are also indentified from try. Among the terms or referen~ of time to time and put together and the Law Commission afe: erforts are made to see that such ,roups are disposed of early; (a) To keep under review tJa~ system of judie ial adminisP'at,o~ to ~IlS\JR SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SA.I'.4)

that it is responsive to the rea.oo­ (4) the steps Government have takal able demands of the time and proposod to take to ttleet the shortage of in particular to secure : diesel in Nagpur Maharashtra ?

i) elimination of delays, speedy THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE clearance of arrears and re­ MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM: (SHRI duction of costs so as to NAW AL KISHORE SHARMA) (a) Some secure quick and economical spofadic shortage of diesel in NalPur disposal of case the cardinal District of Maharashtra had been reported principle that decision. should durins June, 1985. be just and fair; (b) Yes, Sir. ii) simplification of procedure to reduce and eliminate tech­ (c) The shortage occurred because of nicalities and devices for delay in replenishment of stocks in depots delay so that it operates not as a result of disruptions in rail movements as an end in itself but as a ex-Bombay due to heavy rains and derail­ means of achieving justice; ment. and (d) Oil companies were advised to meet the requirements by moving product to the iii) improvement of standards of extent possible by road from Bombay all concerned with the ad­ and KoyaJi. As a result of this measure ministration of justice. as also of impovement in rail loa­ (b) To revise the Central Acts of dings, the position has improved. The general importance so as to simply Oil Companies are drawing up plans to them and to remove anomalies, top-up the depots at Nagpur and other ambiguities and ineuities. up-country locations during the lean period.

(c) To recommend to the Government RaisiDg capacity of Cement plants uader C.C.1. measures for bringing the statute book up-to-date by repealins 103. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT; obsolete jaws and enactments or Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND parts thereof which have outlived COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: their utility. (a) whether there is any proposal under 11. The Government ha ve constituted an the consideration of the Cement Corpora­ informal Committee of 3 Chief Justices tion of India to raise the capacity of its to examine the problem of arrears in existing plants in the country; High Courts and suggest remedial mea­ sures. (b) if so, the details thereof; and

Sbortqe of Diesel fa Nagpur t Maharasbtra (c) to what extent the cement require­ ment in the country will be met 1 102. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: Will the Minister of PETR.OLEUM be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE pleased to state : MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY

S.Mo. Location of ~e Existing Increase Expansion Present \ existing plant installed approved proposed Position capacity by intro- duction of pre- calcinator (In lakh tonnes per annum)

1 2 3 4 5 6

1. Nayapon Plant 4.00 1st stage 10.00 Expansion (M.P.) 1.00 approved by Oovt. 2. Yerraguntla Plant 4.00 1.00 10.00 -do- (A.P.) 3. Akaltara Plant 4.00 1st stage (M.P.) 1.00 4. Mandhar Plant 3.80 2.20 Expansion (M.P.) yet to be approved by Govt. 5. Kurkunta Plant 2.00 6.70 -do- (Karnataka) 6. Bokajan Plant 2.00 2.00 -do- (Assam) 7. Rajban Plant (HP) 2.00 2.00 -do- 8. Adilabad Plant 4.00 2.50 -do- (A.P.)

(c) The production from the proposed mation about the supply of such missiles expansions of the existing plants of the by China to Pakistan either recently or in Corporation will, to that extent meet the th: past. demand for cement. (c) Government keep a close watch on all developments having a bearing on our Sapp., of battery of SA-27 Missiles by security with a view to taking appropriate China to Pakistan measures to ensure full defence prepared­ ness. 104. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUROHIT: SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK: Shortage of Auti-TB drup

Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased 105. SHRI BANWARI LAL PUItOHIT: to state: SHRI B.N. REDDY:

(a) whether China bas supplied a bat­ Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND tery of SA.27 missiles to Pakistan recently; FERTILIZERS be pleased to state:

(b) if so. whether such sort of batteries (a) whether Government are aware were supplied to Pakistan earlier; and that there is an acute shortage of Rifampi­ cin, a vital anti-T.D. drug and as a result (c) if so, the reaction of Indian Govern­ the prices of this drug have shot up by SO ment to this deal? to 60 per cent;

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (b) if so, the t~sons therefor and P. v. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) and (b). whether Government have taken up the Government have leen some media reports matter with tbe compani~~ manufacturin, to this effect but have not confirmed infor., anti-T,Bt dru~; and SIlAVANA 1, 1~1 (SAKA)

(c) when the shortage of the anti-T.B. STATEMENT drugs in the country will be removed? BULK DRUGS/DRUG INTERMEDI­ THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS ATES DELICBNSED IN MARCH, 1985 AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI Sl. No. Nams 01 Ih. Bulk Drugl drill VEERENDRA PANIL): (a) to (c). This intermediates Ministry monitors the market availability of scecntial and Hf, saYing medicines based 1. Rifampicin on the reports received from the State Drug 2. Dapsone Controllers, Central Drugs Standard Control Organisation and public complaints. 3. Glofaziminc No shortage of Rifampicin formulations 4. Primaquin has been reported. 5, EMME (Ethoxy Methylene Import of Rifampicin bulk drug IS Malonic Ester) permitted under Open General Licence 6. Novaldiamine under the Import &: Export Policy for 1985-88 and the manufacturers of Rifampicin 7. Insulin formulations continue to import this bulk S. Anti-Cancer Drugs drug after following the procedure laid down under the aforesaid policy. 9. Vitamin B6 10. Norgestral Dellceoling of some essential and mass cODsumption bulk dnap 11. Piperazine

106. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI: 12. New bulk drugs developed SHRI RAMASHRAY PRASAD through indigenous research SINGH: BULK DRUGS/DRUG INTERMB­ Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND DIATES DE LICENSED IN JUNE 1985 FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: SI. No. Name of the Bulk Drug/drill (a) whether Government have delicensed intermediates some essential and mass consumption bulk drugs: 1. Aspirin (b) if so, the name and the number of 2. Digoxin such essential drugs; 3. Hydrochlorothiazide (c) the reasons why those drugs have 4. Isonicotinic Acid Hydrazide been dolicensed; and s. Thiacetazone (d) the details thereof? 6. Tolbutamide THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY 7. Pas Acid ) AMP COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI 8. Pas Sodium ) VBBRBNDRA PATIL):

16. Glyceryl Trinitrate 53. Cetrimidc 17. Phthalyl Sulphathiazole 54. Parachtoro Metaxylenel 18. Prednisolene 55. Promethazine 19. Ether Anaesthetic 56. Dexamethasone 20. Halothane 57. Ethinyl Oestradiol 58. Norethisterone 21. Thiopental 59. GJybcnclamide 22, Lidocaine 23. Procaine 60. Chlorpropamide 24. Nitrous Oxide 61. Neostigmine (Succinyl 25. Ibuprofen 62. Sux:amethomium Choline Chloride) 26. Chlorpheniramine 63. Ergometrine/ Methyl ergometrine 27. Epinphrine 64. Oxytocin 28. Mebendazole 6S. Amitriptyline 29. Bephenius Hydroxy Naphtbcate 66. Intipramine 30. Metronidazole 3J. Ampicillin 67. TriJuoperazine Aminophylline/Theophylline 32. Sulpbamethoxazole 68. 33. Trimethoprim 69. Salbutamol 34. Erythromycin 70. Ephedrine 35. Ethambutol 71. Vitamin A 36. Pyrazinamide 72. Vitamin 0 37. Crieocofulvin 73. Vitamin C

38: Hydroxy Cobalamine/Cyanoco­ 14. Pantuthanates balamine Salts 39. Dextran 7S. Ferrous 40. Isoserbide Dinitrate 76. Cblorpromazines

41. Propranolol 77. Hydroxyelline Theophylline VerapamiI 42. 71. Doxycycline 43. Hydrallazine 79. Diazepam 44. Methyl Dopa 80. Cephalexin 45. Neomycin 46. Bacitracin 81. Cephradine 47. Betamethasone 8:. Cephaloridine 48. Benzyl Benzoate FiDaadal outlays and Physical taraets 49. Sulphacetamide ID on leCtor ID aeveatb plan so. Pilocarpine 107. KUMARI PUSHPA DBVI: Will Homatropine the Minister of PBTROLEUM bo pleased Chlorhexidine to state: I SltAVANA 1. 1907 (SAKA) Written An,.,.,., 146

(a) whether Potroleum sector is being gradual induction of indigenous components accorded lower priority in the Seventh Plan and materials for use in the end products than it was aiven in the Sixth Plan; is effected through a phased production programme approved for individual indus.. (b) the financial oultays and physical tries. As a result, of this procedure, phasing targets in the oil sector in Seventh Plan; out of imported content, in various products and their replacement by indi genous ones is (c) the amount estimated by his carried out under a time-bound programme. Ministry for implementing its ambitious The time frame under which such indigenisa­ proaramme proposed to be implemented in tion has to be completed, however, depends Seventh Plan; and upon the technology involved in manufac­ (d) the details of the programmes ture of specific products. This would, there­ proposed to be impJemented in the above fore, vary from product to product, and Plan period? details are worked out accordingly.

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Holding of elections in Punjab and Assam OF PETROLEUM (SHRI MINISTRY 109. SHRI CHITTA MAHATA: Will NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) The the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be Seventh Five Year Plan is still to be pleased to state: approved by Government and the National Development Council. (a) whether Government are consider­ (b) Does not arise in view of the mg to hold Lok Sabha and Assembly reply as at (a) above. elections in Punjab and Lok Sabha ejections in Assam; and (c) For the Seventh Five Year Plan, the Ministry of Petroleum projected an out­ (b) if so, the details thereof and if lay of about Rs. 34078 erores. not, the reasons therefor?

(d) The details of the schemes are not THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE yet finalised in view of (a) above. MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE: (SHRI H.R. BHARADWAJ): (a) and (b). IndlgenisatioD of Ancillary Sector The Election Commission has informed 108. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI: Will that the question of holding of elections is the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COM­ Assam can be considered by it only after PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: completion of the process of intensive revi­ sion of electoral rolls in the State which is (a) whether there is a need for the presently in progress. rapid indigenisation of the ancillary sector; As regards Punjab, it may be stated (b) if so, the steps proposed to be that the Government have taken a number taken to remove the stagnation and for the of steps to normalise the situatIOn in that indtaenisation of the ancillary sector; and State. The Election Commission has written to the State Government drawing attention (c) the details thereof? to the present constitutional position under which elections have to be held and new THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Ministry sworn in before 5th October, 1985 MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ and acquiring whether the law and order PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY situation in the State is cnnducive to the OP HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF holding of peaceful and orderly elections to MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (c). It is the both to Assembly and the Lok Sabha. The p6licy of the Government to insist on Commission has also taken up the matter indlgenisation of imported components and with the Central Government enquiring materi_ required in various engineering about the measures being contemplated and u.nbly oriented projects where there is having a bearing on the holding of electiofts. acOpe for aaofllarieatfou. In such projects, This matter is under examination. i47 Written ~lUwer8 JULY~. 1985

Lones In HMT Factory in U.P. STATEMENT

110. SHRI H.N. NANJE GOWDA: STEPS TO PREVENT BOOTH SHRIO.S. BASAVARAJU: CAPTURING

Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND (i) If it is established after an enquiry COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: by the Commission that booths (a) whether Government are aware have been captured even in a few that since its installation, the HMT factory polling stations, the Commission in Uttar Pradesh, is running into loss; should have the power to declare the election in the entire consti­ (b) if so, the details of the losses since tuency as void and to order freah inception; poll in the entire constituency.

(c) the main reasons for these losses; (ii) Candidates found responsible and directly or indirectly for booth capturing should be disqualified (d) the remedial steps contemplated by from contesting election for the Government in this regard? next six years. Commission sbould have powers to disqualify such THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE persons without reference to any MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM~ Court so that expeditious action PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINIS­ can be taken and the guilty can.. TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF didates disqualified even before MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (d). The the elections are completed. HMT Watch factory at Ranibagh is a new plant where production commenced as (iii) Booth capturing should be made scheduled only around March, 1985. It is a cognizable offence and drastic scheduled to reach break-even level by penalty must be meted out to th. 1987-88. candidates and their agents who indulge in or abet in the Commii­ Election Commission's Recommendations sion of such an offence. re-Imposina of Penalty for Boetb Capturing

111. SHRI JAGANNATH PATTNAIK: (iv) In case any complaint as regards Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE booth capturing is received, such be pleased to state: allegations should be immediately enquired into by the Commission (a) whether any recommendations have through such agency as it considers been made by the Election Commission for appropriate and if the complaint is imposing penalty on the candidatej party found established, the polling in who attempts or has captured the booth by the entire constituency should be force at the time of polling; declared void and fresh poll ordered. The candidates and their (b) if so, the details thereof; and agents guilty of the offence should be punished severely. Pending (c) the action taken by Government inquiry, the counting and the thereon? declaration of the result sbould be THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE withold. MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (v) If it is found that the ReturniDJ (SHRI H.R. BHARADWAJ): (a) Yes, Sir. Officer, Presiding Officer or such (b) A statement is attached detailing other officers connected with tho the proposals made by the Election Com­ conduct of poll have above abetted mis!ion to prevent both capturing. in the crime, the Commission should have powers to initiate (c) The proposals made by the Com­ prosecution apinst such eliD.queDt IUitsion arc under consideratioD. officen. SRAVANA 1, 1907 (S~XA) W,lttelf ~uw.r8 150

(vi) Candidates with a proven record There is no proposal at pI.seotto establish of crimes invoJving force and an ordnance factory in Kerala. violence like decoity etc. should be disqualified from contesting elec­ EstabJisliment of Extension Wing of tions and the law may be suitably National Institute of Design in Kerala amended. However, such amend­ 114. SHRI V_S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: ments also will require prior the Minister of INDUSTRY AND consultation with political parties wm COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to .state: so that those provisions may not be misused. (a) whether Government of Kerala have Setting up of an Aromatic Complex at requested his Ministry to establish an Cochin extension wing of the National Institute of Design in Kerala; and 112. SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be (b) if so, the decision of Government pleased to state: thereon? '

(a) whether there was a proposal to sel THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE up an aromatic complex at Cochin; MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY (b) whether it is a fact that no final OF HOME AFFAIR.S (SHRI ARIF decision has so far been taken about the MOHAMMED KHAN): (a) No, Sir. size of the complex to be set up; (b) Does not arise. (c) if so, when is it likely to be taken; BHEL Unit in Kerala (d) whether the present proposal is to extract only benzene; 115. SHRI V.S. VIJAYARAGHAVAN: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND (e) whether extraction of other materials COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: like toluene and xylenues will also be undertaken at this complex; and (a) whether Bharat Heavy EJectricals Ltd. has any unit in K~rala; (r) if so the details thereof? (b) if not, whether there is any proposal THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE to set up Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI units to manufacture transformers, switch NAW AL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) to gears etc. in Kerala; and (f). Approval bas been accorded to MIs. Cochin Refineries Limited for installation (c) if so the details thereof? of an Aromatics Plant with facilities for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE production of 87,200 tonnes per annum of MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ benzene at Cochin. At present, there is no PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY proposal to manufacture toluene and/or OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF xylenes at Cochin. MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) and (b). No, Sir. Setting up of Ordnance Factory in .KeraJa

113. SHRI V.S. VLJAYARAGHAVAN: (c). Does not arise. Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased Sbortage of life Saving Drugs for Kidney to state: Patients (a) whethor there is a proposal to sot up an ordnance factory in Korala; and 116. SHRI MOHD. MAHFOOJ ALI KHAN: Will the Minister of CHEMICALS (b) if so, the details thereof? AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state:

THE MINISTBR OF DEFENCE (SHRI (a> whether Government are aware P.V. N~IMH.\ R.AO): (a) and (b). 9f ~he acute sbortaae of life savin, drUf 151 Wrltt_ A.l&fWlrI JULY 23, 198'

for kidney patients and the high prices at (a) the number of penons in the waiting which the drug is available in the country; lists for telephone connection in major and cities of the country since 1982;

(b) if so, the steps taken by Govern­ (b) whether Government propose to ment to improve the situation? provide telephone connections to all the persons on the waiting lists durin, the THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Seventh Five Year Plan; AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS : (SHRI (c) if so, how and the outlines of the VEERBNDRA PATIL): (a) and (b). action programme in this regard; and This Ministry monitors the market availa­ bility of essentiaJ and life saving drugs, (d) if so, the reasons therefor? based on the reports received from the State Drug ControlJers, the Central Drugs THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Standard Control Organisation and Public MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Complaints. Though some reports of (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (8) The localised shortage of Irnuran tablets, the number of persons in the waiting list for drug of choice of Kidney patients. produced telephone connections in major cities of the by Mis. Wellcome Foundation. U.K. have country since April, 1982 is given in the been received, the authorised stockists of attached statement. Imuran tablets have reported sufficient (b) Yes, Sir. The waiting list as on stocks with them. They are being advised J .4.8S in these cities is proposed to be to rush stocks to the reported areas of cleared progressively during the 7th Plan, shortages. subject to availability of adequate resources. Efforts are being made to get these (c) Action is being taken to expand tablets imported through the agency of the existing telephone exchanges wherever Super Bazar, New Delhi. feasible and to open new excbanges in [Translation] order to clear the existing waiting lists. Action is also being taken to augment the Wjdting Lists for new Telephone Connections prod uction capacity of the switching in Major Cities equipments. Everything, however, will depend on the extent of funds made avai­ 117. SHRI MOHO, ~1AHFOOJ ALI lable to the Department in the 7th Plan. KHAN: Will the Minister of COMMUNI­ CATIONS be plased to state: (d) Question does not arise.

STATEMENT

Sr. City Waiting list on No 1.4.82 1.4.83 1.4.84 t.4.RS 1. Bombay 1,S2,904 1,S7,019 1,63,841 1,66,153 2. Calcutta 26.992 27,058 29,615 25,550 3. Delhi 89,762 1,08,065 t,tl,873 1,31,862 4. Madras 21,000 27,4S1 33,570 33,242 s. Ahmedabad 20,S46 24,376 28,076 27,473

6. Bang~lore 10,046 12,803 18.786 20,'59 7. Hyderabad 15,488 21,579 28,575 31,661 8. Kanpur 5,118 4,194 5,013 7,343 JS) Wrltt." An.rwrI SRAVANA I. 1907 (sa...,) Writtln dllltHrl 15.

9. Pune 10,326 12,264 16,656 18,968 10. Chandigarh 7,018 4,838 6,374 8,973 11. Jaipur 8,956 6,07J 7,811 8,283 12. Lucknow 2,219 2,581 1,598 1,579 13. Patna 2,060 1,922 2,824 3,211 14. Trivandrum 2,784 3,258 4,646 3,931

Induction of Mfrage.2000 Fisbten Planel (b) if so, the number of such small in I A F. scale units producing ready- made prments 118. SHRI R M. BHOYE: in the State of Orissa; and PROF. K.K. TEWARY: (c) the total estimated employment in Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased the industrial field in the State of Orissa? to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether the first instalment of the MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ latest model of MIrage 2000 received from PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY France recently has been added to the OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF Indian Air Force; MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) Yes, Sir. Govt. have given all possible encouragement for (b) if so, the details regarding their producing more garments by the sman capacity and use indicating the expenditure Scale units. For this purpose, the item likely to be incurred thereof; Ureadymade garments" has been reserved for exclusive production in the small scale (c) when the rest of the contracted sector. number will be delivered; and (b) and (c). As reported by the Govern­ (d) whether fighter alrcrafts from other ment of Orissa in September, 84, there sources, say Mig-29s, are also in the were 12 readymade garment factori~s pipeline? employing 291 persons. Figures about total employment in the industrial field in THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI Orissa are not available. P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) Yes, Sir. Capacity Utilisation of Garden Reacb (b) and (c). The Mirage 2000 is a Shipyard Workshop for Manufacture Df contemporary multI-rOle aircraft capable rigs and Platforms for oil Drilling of use in both air-defence and strike roles. It would not be in public interest to 120. SHRI AMAL DAIT A: Will the further information in disclose this regard. Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state:

(d) The question of obtaining high (a) whether the garden Reach Shipyard technology aircraft from other SO\ll'CCS is Workshop has necessary capacIty and under examination. expertise for the manufacture of rigs and platforms for oil dril1ing~; [English) (b) if so, whether the said capacity is Encouragement Small Scale Garment to being properly utilized by the ONOC; and Produe"n 119. SHRI ANANTA PRASAD SETHI: (c) if so, the details of the said Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND utilisation? COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: THE MINISTEll OF DEFBNCE: (a) whether Oovornment have 8jven (SHRI P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : No, encouraaement for pro

IaeorporatloD of Code of Conduct for (b) Govt. vehicles. machinery and Political parties in the Representation of personnel shall not be used for further­ tbe People Act ance of the interest of tho party in power. 121. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be (ii) Public places such as maidens, etc. pleased to state: shall not be monopolised by fuling party for holding election meetings. (a) Y'hether the Election Commission Other parties and candidates shall be has proposed to Government to incorporate allowed the use of such places on the in the Representation of the People Act same terms and conditions on which some of the provisions of the model code they are used by the party in power. of conduct for political parties and candidates; (iii) Rest Houses, dak bungalows or other Government accommodation shall be (b) the items on which the Commission alJowed to be used by other parties or wants legislation; candidates in a fair manner; (c) when the said communication was received by Government from the Commi­ (iv) Issue of adevertisements at the cost ssion; of the public exchequer in news papers and other media during the eJection (d) Government's thinking on these period regarding their achievement matters; and with a view to furthering the prospects of the party in power shall be (e) the details of legislation proposals scrupulously avoided; initiated by Government? (v) Ministers and other authorities shall THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE not sanction grants/payments out of MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE discretionary fund from the time (SHRI H.R.BHARADWAJ) : (a) Yes, Sir. elections are announced by the Commi­ ssion; and (b) A statement is attached indicating the proposals made by the Election (vi) From the time the elections ~o Commission. announced by the Commission. Ministers and other authorities shall not (c) Similar proposal were included by make any promise to the electorate the Election Commission in the package of construction of roads, provision of of proposals sent in September, 1982. The drinking water facilities, etc. which Commission has reiterated these proposal may have the effect of influencing the in its letter dated 1-5-1985. voters in favour of the party in power.

(d) and (e). The proposals are under DelicensiDg of Drugs consideration. After initiaJ processing within the Government it is proposed to 122. SHRI SIDHA LAL MURMU: consult political parties before final deci­ Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND sions are taken. FERTILIZERS be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government have come STATEMENT across the reports appearing in the Indian Express dated the 26th June, 1985 relating (i)

(c) if not, on what basis Government ding on merits, items are reserved for small deny that their recent decision of delicensing scale sector from time to time. will Dot hit small scale units? (c) No, Sir. THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY (d) Does not arise. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEBRENDRA PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir. Telecommunication and Postal Facilitie8 in Tribal and Backward Districts of Orissa (b) As there are thousands of small , scale drug manufacturing units and as they 124. SHRI OIRIDHAR GOMANGO: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS are not required to obtain industrial appro­ be pleased to state: vals under the Industries (Development & Regulation) Act, it is difficult to have (a) the funds provided by his Ministry complete data on their production potential. to Orissa State during Sixth Plan for the (c) As the scheme of delicensing is development of telecommunication and intended to simplify licensing procedure for Postal Services and the achievements made non-FERA and non-MRTP companies in by the General Manager, Telephones and respect of articles not reserved for small Post Master General Circle thereof; scale sector.. it does not affect the small scale sector. (b) the schemes and programmes pre­ pared by the General Manager Telephones Production of Bulk Drugs, by small seale units and Post Master General Circle and submit­ ted to his Ministry for Seventh Five Year 123. SHRI SIDHA LAL MURMU: Plan; and Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: ( c) the steps taken by his Ministry to (a) the details of the bulk drugs manu­ increase the Telecommunication and postal factured by the small scale units; facilities to tribal and backward districts of Orissa during Sixth Plan out of the Sixth (b) th~ir capacity and production year­ Plan allocations and schemes thereof? wise during the last three years; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) whether these capacities are taken MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS(SHRI into account while issuing letter of intent; RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Telecom The and Orissa Circle was provided Rs. 20.41 crores during the 6th plan period to execute the (d) if so, in which cases during the capital works. The Telecom Circle opened last three years the capacities were taken 4 DTOs, 380 LOPTs and 101 new MAX III into consideration; and if not, the reasons exchanges, automatised 5 manual exchanges, thereof? achieved increase in local switching capacity by 12,625 line and provided 10,656 direct THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND exchange line during the 6th plan period. FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA (b) The Orissa Telecom Circle has PATIL): (a) and (b). My Ministry monitors proposed to instal 31,600 lines of local tho production of 87 bulk drugs in the switching equipment and 250 lines of telex organised sector. Efforts are being made to equipment during the 7th plan period. 4000 extend the coverage to small scale units. lines of Digital TAX equipment at Cuttack As thore are til ousands of small scale has also been planned. It is also proposed to drill units and they are exempted from provide 2250 Long Distance Public Tele­ obtaining industrial approvals under the phones and 2187 telegraph offices in this Illdustries (Development & Regulation) Act, plan. The Circles has made proposal for it is difBcult to have a precise idea of the 75 Kms of ducting for protectilll tho capacities in t 1e slluli scale sector! Dopen- external plant. 159 Wrlttell .4ruwe,., JULY 23, 1985

These targets from part of this Ministry (ii) SDDAs appointed for im­ 7th plan proposals envisaginl an outlay of provemont of village deliver, -354 lb. 13000 crores. The proposals are under discussions. Preliminary indications are (iii) Letter Boxes Planted _396 that resources to this extent may not be available and plan may have to be scaled (iv) Counter service down significantly. provided to villages -197

(c) During the 6th Five Year Plan the Long Distauce Public Telephoae and PubUc: following telecommunications facilities were caD Offices ia Koraput DistrIct of Orissa provided in the Tribal and Backward areas 125. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO: of the State (i) 296 long distance Public Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Telephones 54, new MAX III exchangec be pleased to state: and 1 DTO were opened (ii) 3 manaul excbanges were converted into automatic (a) the places to be provided with exchanges, (iii) Local swjtching capacity of LDPT and peo during the year 1985-86 exchan,cs increased by 676S lines, to provide in Koraput district of Orissa by the 5656 direct exchange lines. Telecommunication Circle;

Postal (b) the progress made to connect Rayagada with Gunupur sub-divisional (a) Rs. 62 lakhs were provided for Headquarters by direct lines; expan!ion of Postal Services in Orissa State ror the Sixth Plan. The achievements of the (c) the reasons for not providing LOPT plan schemes during the Sixth Plan were as AND peo at the places of importance under: such as Block Headquarters, irrigation pro­ jects, etc. and the remedial measures taken (i) Post Offices opened 377 therefor; and (ii) EDDAs appointed for improvement of village (d) the schemes approved for different delivery 570 developmental aspects of that district which are in hand? (iii) Letter Boxes Planted 797 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (iv) Counter Service MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS ·provided to villages 486 (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Fifteen places are planned to be provided with (b) Seventh Five Year Plan for the Long Distance Public Telephones in Postal Department is yet to be finalized. Koraput district. The names of places are Targets for Postal development are set given below:- after approval by Planning Commission of the Annual Plans from year to year. 1. Hatibada 2. Padwa During 1985-86. it is proposed to open 92 3. Ramnaguda 4. Bandhugaon Post Offices including 52 in tribal and backward areas subject to lifting of eco­ s. Jagannathpur 6. Katiki nomy orders banning creation of new posts. 7. Umeri 8. KUllluliput 10. Guneipada (c) Expansions made in the Postal 9. Almanda Sector out ot the allocation and schemes 11. Ghonar 12. Durgi or me Sixth Plan in tribal and backward areas of Orissa are as under: J 3. Sasahandi 14. Churahandi

(i) Post Offices opened -258 15. SaDtofbpur. $RAV ANA t. lto7 (SAKA) Wrltt~ ~1II1Hf" 16Z

(b) The estimate to connect Gunupur THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to Koraput via Rayaaada has been sanc­ MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM .. tioned. The work is to be commenced PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY during the current financial year depending OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIP upon the availability of line stores. MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes. Sir. (c) Out of 40 Block Headquarters 6 (b) Yes, Sir. are yet to be provided with telecom (c) A statement containing the requisite facilities, radio systems have been planned details is laid on the Table of the House for these. Important irrigation projects [Placed in library. See No.L T -1J36/8S]. such as Indravati and Upper Kolab have been provided with telecom facilities. Price of manual Typewriters Telecom facility to such other projects are being provided progressively. 127. DR. G.S. RAJ HANS : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY (d) Schemes for different developmental AFFAIRS be pleased to state: aspects of Koraput district are given below:- (a) the names of the industries presently 1. Schemes for replacement of present manufacturing manual typewriters in the manual exchanges by Automatic country; telephone Exchanges at Jeypore(K), Koraput and Rayagada (K) with (b) whether Government are aware provision of National Subscriber that the manufacturers of these typewriters Dialling have been approved. have increased the prices of their products substantially; II. MARR Systems with bases at (1) Koraput, (2) Malkangiri and (3) (c) whether Government have any price Novrangpur and Telex at Daman­ control on these industries; and jodi are proposed. (d) if not" the reasons therefor and what further steps Government propose III. Microwave system between Jeypore­ to take against the manufacturers of Koraput-Vishakhapatnam is under typewriters to bring down the prices of their installation. products?

Investigation by MRTP CommiJIioD THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE in Unfair Trade Practices MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE 126. DR. G.S. RAJHANS: Will the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) The Affairs be pleased to state: following companies are engaged in the manufacture og manual typewriters: (a) whether Government's attention has been drawn to the newsitem "Probe 1. Mis. Remington Rand of India Limited, into unfair lottery game" appearing in the Calcutta Hindustan Times on 21st June, 1985; 2. M Is. Rayala Corporation Pvt. Ltd., (b) whether the Monopolies and Res­ Madras trictive Trade Practices Commission (MRTP) bas started investigations in connection 3. Mis. Facit Asia Limited, Madras with a wide range of unfair trade practices like organising lottery, contests and games 4. MIs. Oodrej & Boyce Mfg. Co. Pvt, Ltd., Bombay of chance by many of the companies in the country; and 5. Mis. Business Machines India Ltd •• Secu ndera bad (c) if so. the full details 01 the compa. nies against whom MRTP Commission (b) to Cd). There is no Control aD .tatted inveatiptions ? .. the prices of tho typewritocs manufacturO(\ JULY 2~. 1985 in the country. However. production is (b) whether any proposals have reacbed sufficient to meet the demand in the his Ministry in this regatd; and country. Government have not received any complaints regarding abnormal increase (c) if so, the action taken to speed up in the price of rnanual type .. writers in the matters, especially in view of the mountina recen t past. arrears? DeUceDllDI of bulk drugs and Intermediates aad their Formulati4»al THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE: (SHRI 128. DR. G. S. RAJHANS : H. R. BHARADWAJ) : (a) to (c). Some SHRI R. P. DAS : proposals for filling in the vccancies in SHRI MALIK: Madras High Court have been received. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: The matter is engaging the earnest attention SHRI VILAS MUTTEMWAR: of the Government of India in consultation with the Constitutional authorities concerned Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND who have been frequently reminded. FERTILIZERS be pleased to state:

(a) whether the Indian Small Scale Public sector uaits incurring JOI8eI due to Manufacturers Association has urged the lack of fuactional autoaomy Government to stay the implementation of its decision to delicence 94 bulk drugs, 130. SHRI P.R. KUMARMANGALAM: intermediates and their formulations; Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) whether Government have considered their representation and taken any decision; (a) whether the public sector units and which fall under his Ministry are incurring (c) if so, the details thereof and reaction losses due to lack of functional autonomy of Government thereto ? in these units; and

THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS (b) whether the concept of functional AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY autonomy is being strictly implemented by AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI his Ministry in public/joint sector units VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) My Ministry which fall administratively under his has seen Press Reports to this effect. Ministry?

(h) and (c). The scheme of delicensing, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has so far extended to bulk drugs and MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM· formulations. is intended to simplify licens­ PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY ing procedures for non*FERA and non­ OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MRTP companies in respect of articles not MOHAN MAD KHAN): (a) Some of the reserved for small scale sector and is Public Sector Undertakings under the designed to give a fillip to growth, invest­ administrative control of the Ministry ment and production of essential mass con­ of Industry &: Company Affairs are sumption bulk drugs and formulations. making losses due to various reasons such as unremunerative prices, outdated Vacaacies of Judles io Madra. High Court technology, power constraints, marketina constraints etc., but not due to lack of func­ 129. SHRI P. R. KUMARMANGALAM tional autonomy. Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state : (b) This Ministry is implementiD, the (a) the reasons for the delay in filling concept of functional autonomy in the case up the vacancies in the Hiah Court of of public sector undertakinas under itt Ju4icaturc at Madras; administrative coDtrol. SRAV ANA I, 1907 (S..4KA)

[7ivzn.r/atioll ] (c) whether these refineries would meet the requirements of refined products; Vie of UHF,VHF Wireleu Communication Equipment by Companies and CJtizeDl in (d) if so, the details thereof; and Tamil Nadu

131. SHRI P.R. KUMARMANGALAM: (e) if not, the steps Government propose Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS to take to meet the requirements of refined be pleased to state : products?

whether citizens and companies will THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE be permitted to use UHF/VHF wireJess MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI communication equipment for inter-com~ NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a), to (e). munication faciJity; and if so, the rules and A statement is attached. restrictions in this regard, inclusive of procedure; and STATEMENT

(b) the number of companies/citizens J. Expansion of permitted to have such a facility in Tamil Gujarat Refi­ From 7.3 MTPA Nadu; with details thereof? nf!ry of JOe to 9.S MTPA

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 2. Expansion of MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Bongaigaon From J.O MTPA (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, Refinery to 3.0 MTPA Sir; permission is granted to applicants in the form of a licence issued under Section 3. Expansion of 4 of the Indian Telegraph Act, 1885 and Mathura From 6.0 MTPA Rules made thereunder; subject to technical Refinery to 7.S MTPA suitability/compatibility of the proposal. They have to apply for grant of such The proposaJs to set up two new grass licences in the prescribed proforma, to the root refineries of 6 MTPA each are also Wireless Planning and Coordination Wing under the consideration of the Government. of Ministry of Communications. The deficit in products would be met (b) Ninety-Six licences are currently in through imports. operation for such facilities in Tamil Nadu. These licences have been permitted for (Trans/alion] communication between headquarters and factories of companies for control of pro­ Opening of Butomatic telephone Exchange duction/fire/security etc. ship-to-shore com­ at MAU in Azamgarh District of Uttar munication for ship movements/loading! Pradesh unloading, hospital for paging systems, milk for distribution, transport companies dairies ] 33. SHRI RAJ KUMAR RAI: Will for traffic control, etc. the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (B",ll8h) pleased to state:

SettiDI up of new refiaeries 10 7th Plaa (a) whether it is a fact that the former 132. SHRI PRAKASH CHANDRA~ Minister of Communications laid the Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be foundation stone of an Automatic Exchange pleased to state: in Mau in Azamgarh district in Uttar Pradesh during J983-84; (a) whether Government propose to set up somo new refineries and expand exist .. (b) if so, the progress made in this ing refineries during the Seventh Plan work so far; and period;

(b) if so. the details thereof ~nd total (c) tho time by whi~b this .~anp caplQitr of ~ ~-r~ YliU be road)'? JULY 23, 1985

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE [Trans/ati()nj MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Action by gas Dealen in case of ga. Sir. Leakage

(b) Building for exchange is under 135. SHRI SARFARAJ AHMAD: Will construction. the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: ( c) The exchange is expected to be (a) whether the Indian Oil Corpora­ commissioned during 86-87 subject to com­ tion gives advertisements from time to time pletion of Building and receipt of an stores. in newspapers that in case of gas leakage [English] the dealer may be informed immediatley:

Establishment of oil terminal at Paradip (b) whether dealers arc bound to take immediate action in such a contingency; 134. SHRIMATI JAYANTI PATNAIK: and Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: (c) if so, the action taken by Govern­ ment against those dealers who do not pay (a) whether Hindustan Petroleum immediate attention in this regard? Corporation has undertaken a programme for the establishment of oil terminals in the THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE country; MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NA WAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) and (b). { b) if so, the names of the places Yes, Sir. identified for the location of oil terminals~ (c) Punitive action is taken against a (c) whether Paradip in Ori<;sa was distributor who does not take immediate selected as one of the sites for the location action. of an oil terminal; and [English] (d) if so, the progress made so far for the cstabJishment of oil terminal at Paradip? Strike by employees of Railway Mall SenJce and Mail Motor Service THE MINISTER Of STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI 136. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, SHRI NARAYAN CHOUBEY: Sir. Will the Minister of COMMUNICA­ (b) Hindustan Petroleum Corporation TIONS be pleased to state: had identified and undertaken construction (a) whether the employees of Railway of new major oil terminals during Sixth Plan period at Vashi (New Bombay) and Mail Service and Mail Motor Service went Loni (Pune). on a day's strike on 6 June this year all over the country to press for their demands; (c) and (d). The proposal for an oil terminal at Paradip has been under consi­ (b) if so, the details of their demands deration but did not form part of the and Government's reaction thereto; approved projects during the Sixth Five Cc) whether it is a fact that some 80 Year Plan. employees belonging to Reserve Trained Pool were suspended in West Bengal for Hindustan Petroleum Corporation Ltd. taking part in the aforesaid strike; has been asked to prepare a feasibility report of the project. (d) if so, the details thereof; and (0) whOther the postal employeeS all the Industrial DiBputes Act were also held over the State had been on a strike on this by the Deput)' Chief Labour Coauniuionor .sue; if 80. the detaita aDd the Seepl taken (Central). New Delhi. Howover, tM to settle tho problem? Govorameat did nQt find the domaDdl acceptable. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (c) and, (d). No, Sir. R.eIervo Trained MINISTRY OF COMMU~CAnONS Pool ..ndidates are not replar employe (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) A and rules relating to suspension llDdcr the section of the aMI and MMS employees ccs (eCA) Rules, 196' do not applt" went' 011 strike on 6,6.8S. them •

• f • (b) The foUowinl deouinda wore Plit forth There were 85 Reserve Trained Pool by the All fn4ia RoMS and MMS Empley­ Candidatos who did Dot report for duty OD Union Class .. nl and the Bharatiya RMS and the day of the strjke. On screenins MMS Employccs Union Class-Ill: ipplications received from them, p~ master-General, Calcutta has since allowed I, R.estoration of sorting sectionsl all 80 candidates out of them to join." Three Bortinl mail offices/sets and dropping candidates were on long absence since May, of proposed abolition of nlaht setl in 1985. The representarions received from Tamil Nadu. the remaining two candidates are under consideration of the Postmaster-General, (2) .!lemoval of ban on recruitment. Calcutta. (3) Immediate absorption of RTPsJ (e) No, Sir. However. work of Casual Labourers/EDAs/Part .. tbno Calcutta G.P.O. was interrupted OD 6.6.1985. Workers and approved mailmen for A few postal employees in Calcutta City and Class-In posts. the districts ceased work on 11 .6.1985 also. The situation returned to normalcy there­ (4) Cancellation of DO's orders with· after. drawiIll checkers (rom BROs/SItOs, abolition of SROs aDd Mail Offices Teltpllone .,.... ID MetropoUtaa dtIee and restoration of status quo ante. 137. SHRI O.G. SWELL: Will th, Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be (5) No increase in workload other than tbose prescribed in Bewoor-Tar.pada, pleased to state: Marathe TIme Tasts and Madan (a) whether telephone systans in metro­ Kishore Formula will be imposed. politan cities will be handed over to public sector corporations; (6) No introduction of bulk entry system of accountable articlos. (b) it so, the reasons therefor; and (0) whether this question was IODO into (7) No mechanisation, no eomputerisa. by. a Government Committee earlier and tion apel no introduction of sortinl the Committee had rejected it? machines in R~S. THE MINISTBll OF STATE OF THE MINJS1'R.Y OJ: COMMUNICATIONS (SHal llAM MIWAS MIRDHA): (a) The Governm- has not taken any decision ia tllc mattor ~ JULy U,l'as

Sap,., or us M90I SerIaee·to.s.t'ace (a> whether 'adalat' courts have been lei MJuI1ea B1 USA. aad SA-27 ..r.... to. up in different parts of tbe country; ...... ce _lIilea by CbIaa to PakllCaa (b> the composition of these coWU and 138. SHRI O. G. SWELL: Will the their Dumber so far ; and Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to Itate: (c) whether they have- satisfactorily <8> wbether Pakistan bas roceived US reduced the buao backlol' of cases in diffe­ M90s surface-to-surface mk.Ues from the rent courts ? USA and SA-27 surface·to-surface missiliea THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THB from China. MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (b) the comparability of the US and .(SHRI H. R. BHARADWAI): Accord­ to the information furnished by tbo Chinese missiles; and ins Committee for ImplementiJll Leaal Aid (c) whether Pakistan lot the missiles Schemes, constituted by tbe Government, from China as aid or on commercial basis ? •Adalat' courts have been set up in different parts of the country. THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI (b) 'AdaJats' consist of P. V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) to (c). These members Government have seen the recent media of the Bat, retired Judges, administrators, reports about lupply of M -90 air-to-air women lawyers and women social workers missiles by the USA and SA-27 air-to-air etc. As theae arc not fCJular courts, it is not possible to precisely give their numbers. missiles by China to Pakistan but bave DO confirmed inrormation in this regard. (c) The 'Lok Adalats' are not reaular courts. They are in the nature of volun­ DecODe la £Sport of cl'UOe au 011 prodac:" tary settlement qencics for the purpose of bdngiol about settlement of disputes, which 139. SHRI O. O. SWELL : Will tho may be PcJlding in the Courts or otherwise. Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to Itate: SoYIet Union', bell for exploratloa of 011 Ja

rated exploration for oil aDd ps in mutually polyester industries respectively. The aareed areas io Cambay and Cauvery deficit is beiDa met tbrouah importa. basint by ulina thoir own equipment and experts. LosIeI ie I.D.P.L. and RA.L. Actual delioeation of tbo areas and tho 144. SHRI ANAND PATHAK: work proarammo to be undertaken are to be SHRI MOOL CHAND DAOA : decided by mutual di8CUliioDs for which a " Will tho Minister of CHEMlCALS AND Soviet team would come in Au.uat/Septem­ FERTILIZBRS be pleased co state: ber 1985. (a> whether it. 1. a fact that IndiaD IDtroductfoD of computen ID ONGC Drug. and Pharmaceuticals Ltd. and HlnduI­ tan Antibiotics Ltd. aro running in lassCl ; 142 SHRI YASHWANTRAO GAD- AKH PATIL: Will the Minister of PET­ (b) whether it is allo a fact that a part, ROLEUM be pleased to state: is being supplied PeniCillin G 1st crystals below the cost of production ; whether Oil and Natural Gas Com­ mission have decided to a phased introduc­ (c) if so, the price and quantity supplied tion of computers in its various fields of to tbis party by 'hem during the last one operation ; and ytar ; and

(b) if 80, the details thereof? (d) tbo net contribution on account of thts toward. mounting loases of the public THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE sector units? MINISTRY OP PETROLEUM {SHRI NAWAL KlSHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, THE MINISTER OF CHBMICALS Sir. AND FERTILISERS AND INDUSTR.Y AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (b) For scientific applications, one larlo VEBRENDRA PATlL) : (a) Yes, Sir. computer system is to be installed at KDMIPE, Debra Dun and five 32 bit main­ (b) to (d). Tho information is beina frame computers ate planned to be installed collected and will be laid on tho Table of for tclional headquatters. one each at Bom­ the House. bay. Baroda, Madras. Calcutta and Nazica. De,eloplD8IIt in Postal aad TelecommuDlcatioa A number of mini (16 bit) d: micro (8 Det work ID And.ra Pradesb bit) computers for business (technical and 145. SHRI &.. RAMACHANDRA COPlPlCl'clal) applicatioDl arc also proposed REDDY : Will the Minister of COMMUNI. to be installed durioa the seventh five year CATIONS be pleased to state : plan period. (a) wbetber any propolals for much Sbortaae of Caprolaetum aDd DMT needed improvements in proper development or postal and telocommunication not work 10 YASHW,NTRAO 143. SHRI GAD­ Andhra Pradesh have been included io the AKH PATIL: Will the Minister of PEf­ Seventh Plan period ; and ROLEUM be pleased to Itato : (b) if so, the details of such proposals? (a) whether n)lOD and po)ye,ter indus­ triet are faclaa acute ,hortaae of caprolac­ THE MINISTBR OF STATB OF THE tum and DMT ; and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): YOI, (b) If 10, the steps being taken to meet Sir. the Ibortaae ., (b) Plan proposal. or 7th Five Year THE MINISTER OP STATE OF THE Plan for the postal dopartment iDC)ude MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI opening of 12,000 post offJcoa in tbe country NAWAL KISHORB SHARMA): (a) and fncJudiDI Andhra Pradesh. PlanniDI Com­ (b). At present the iDdileoous prOduction mission '. approval of the plan proposale II Qf caprolactam and DMT i. not adequate yet to be Ii_II"" The propoaala are sub­ to meet the tequtrel1lOllta of Dylon and ject to modl8catiOD bued OJI tbc outlay 175 WrtttM A",.,.,., JULY 23, 1985

approved by the PIUDiQ Commission. (a) whether raw mafttla) roquired for Taraet! howev.- wi11 be 8xed after apPI'Cn'aI manufacturin, the ..pot is abundantly i. received from tho PJaDllina Commission available in Kacbompet T.luk. Mehboob· or tho annual plaos ftom year 10 year. nagar District (Andbra Pradesh) and sent to other parta of the country for maaufaocuriDl In topl'd to Telecommunications the paper; Ministry had submittoc1 draft proposal. for the 7th Ptan eovisalcs aD outlay of about· (b) if so, whether keepi». in view tbe Rs. 13,OOO.crores. The proposal are under availability of raw material I.e. the bamboo discussion with the Planning Commi~sion and gras., Government are coDlideriq to who have Indicated that tbe resources to this set UP some factories in Andbra Pradllh for extent may not be a'laillble and the draft the manufacturing of paper ; proposals witl bave to be scaled down (c) whether State Government of Andhra substantially. Pradesh have also approacbed Union The draft plan bad propoled to provide GovernmOllt in this resatd ; and telephone and telex connections al1 over (d) the details of assistance that Govern­ India Includina Andbra Pradesh practicaUy meot are providioa to the State Government on demand. This would have involved for the purpose ? nearly doublinl the telephone ex.chanae capa­ city and substantial increase in the telex THE MINISTBR OF STATE IN THE capacity. It also proposed provision of MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ IODa distance public telephones within S Kms PANY AFPAIRS AND IN THE MINIS­ of practically every habitation, involving an TRY OF HOMB AFFAIRS (SHR.I ARlF addition or 2,1S9 lona distance public MOHAMMAD KHAN) ; (a) Exact informa­ telephoaea to the existiDg 3735. tion about availability of adequate forest raw material OD a 8ustained basis to support In viow of the limir.d resources the pro­ a larae paper mill in Kachempet Taluk. posals will be finalised once the total alloca.. Mchbooboagar in the State of Aodhra tion has been aaroed to. Pradesh is not available. I.oe of Commemoradve .tamps (b) There are at present 1,5 units in the Stato of Andhra Pr~esh with an installed 146. SHm SRIBALLAV PANIORAHI : capacity of 3.29 lakb toonu per annum, Will the M iDister of COMMUNICATIONS enaqed in manufacture of paper and paper­ be pleas«t to state : board. The Central o overn ment has no (a) whether any proposals bas been proposal to cltablish any additional unit in received from Orilsa for 'Slue of comemo­ the State or Andhra Pradesh for manufacture rative stamps ; and of paper or paperboard. (b) if so, the reaction of Government (c) and (d). No propoal bas been ther.to? received for J[ant of industrial Uceooe for settinl up of paper mills in tbe State Sector THB MINISTER. OF STATB OF THE based on forest raw material.. The Ceatr~ 'dIN[STRY OF COMMUNICATIONS Government have recently de-liceD8od settina (SHRJ RAM NIW AS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, up of capacity ror manufacture of Millo" Sir. priO,iD, and wrapping paper rrOll) aarJeulto· (b) The proposal, arc belna conlidered ral residues. waste and bagal&e. io tbe context of issue or a lories of stamps ciepictina landmark. ill India'•• trU&J)e for Detalll of Newsprint plait let up I. freedom. Tamil Nadia

hUlas up of paper pIaDtI" MMbooboapr 148. SHRI v. TuLsI1~.AM: Win !be District. A.P. Minister of INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIR.S be ,loued to state: 147. SHRI V. TULSI&AM: Will the Minist. of INDUSTity AND COMPANY Ca) wbether baaa- buod aewapriat AFFAIRS be ploued to ..tate • factory hal been lOt up In Tamil Mada , t" Written Answers SRAVANA I, 1907 (SAKA)

(h\ if so, the cost at which the factory nes of writing and printing paper has been was set up, its annual production and when sct up at a cost of RI. 230 crores. Produc­ it is expected to start production ; tion of newsprint has already commenced in the unit. (c) \11 hat will be the quality of the paper produced; (c) The quality of newsprint produced (d) the extent to which foreign exchange by the factory is expected to be on par with will be saved as a result of production of that of other units in tbe country. paper at the factory ; and (d) At full production of newsprint (e) whether there is any proposal under from the unit, foreign exchange to the extent the consideration of Government to set UP of about Rs. 30 crores is expected to be such a factory in Andhra Pradesh also, if so, saved. details thereof and if not reasons therefor? (e) The Central Government have no THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE proposal at present under consideration to MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ set up such an unit in the State of Andhra PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINIS­ Pradesh. TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIl Letters of Iotent as indicated below have MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, Sir. however been granted for setting UP capacity (b) The Tamil Nadu Newsprint and for manufacture of newsprint in the state of Papers Ltd. with an annual capacity of Andhra Pradesh; which are unaer various 50,000 tonnes of newsprint and 40,000 ton- stages of implementation :

Name Location Annual installed Process capacity

1. Shri B. Hanumantha Rao Vijaygwada Distt. Krishna 40,000 De-inking 2. Sbri Cleetus Vincent Teh. and District Srikakulam 30,000 -do- 3. MIl. Deccan Cements Tehsil Masulipatnam DisH. Krishna 40,000 -do- 4. Shri Sarvaraya]u -do- 80,000 -do------Expansion and Modernisation of Telex (d) whether some such exchanges will be Net Work set up in Andhra Pradesh, if so, locations thereof together with their capacity ; and 149. SHRI V. TULSIRAM: Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleas­ (e) the expected expenditure to be in.. ed to state: curred in the scheme '1

(a) whether Government have announced THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE bigh priority for the expansion and moderni­ MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS sation of the telex net work jn the country ; SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yos, Sir. (b) if so, the number of electronic telex exchanges to be set up in the country to­ (b) 4 Electronic Telex Exchanges ha.e gether with location thereof during Seventh already becn sct up at Bombay, Calcutta, Plan; Delhi and Madras. During the 7th plan, 10 more electronic telex exchangcs are proposed (c) the extent to which these exchanges to be set up at : will be in a position to meet the require­ ments; Abmedlbad, B1QIliioro, JlipJr, 2'·,..1- 179 Writt~1I AlI8Wers JULY 23, 1985 Writl~n Answ~rs 180 kulam, Oauhati, Hyderabad, Chandiaarh, (c) Discussions between Chief Minister Pune Lucknow and Baroda. of Gujarat and the Minister of Petroleum are yet to take place. A Dumber of small electronic telex exchanges are also proposed to be set up at (d) The rate of royalty on crude oil was other locations depending on demands justi­ last fixed with effect from 1.4.1981. fying financial viability. (e) The price increase of different petro­ (c) The exchange capacities proposed leum products ranges from 15% to 45 tbe rate of royalty beina paid to the N P K Total (Rs. in crores) State of Assam and other oil producing Quantity States ? 20.30 7.45 8.71 36.46 1435.0 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI (d) It is Governmenfs policy to maxi­ NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA):

parameters. To the extent, however, the 3. Ampicillin Several companies indigenous production of (ertillzers stili (rom intermediate Calls short of their requirement, the gap stagc would be met from imports, as in the past. 4. Ibuprofen Cipla Bulk Drugs for which tecbdical know.bow S. MetroproJo) Not available Developed in India 6. Propranolol Cipla and Sarabhai 152. SHRI TARIQ ANWAR : Will 7. Ethinyloestradiol Not available the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FER· 8. Salbutamo) Cip)a and Fair deal TILIZERS be pleased to state : 9. Lorazepam Cipla (a) the names of Indian companies 10. Methacarbamol Not available who have developed indigenous technical 11. Metronidazole Unique Chemicals. know-how for the manufacture of Doxy· Uniloids and several cycline, Erythomycin Ampicillin, Ibuprofen, others MetoproJol, Propranolol, Elhinylestradiol, 12. Nitrazepam Salbutamol. Lorazepam. MethacarbamoJ. Not available Metranidazole, Nirrazepam, Methyl Dopa, 13 Methyl Dopa I.D.P.L. Sulphamethoxazole and Anti-Cancer drugs 14. Sulphamethoxa­ IOPL, Standard such as Vincrestine and Vinblastine; zole Organics and (b) whether above mentioned drugs are several others being produced by Indian and Public Sector 15. Vincreistive and Cipla Units from the basic stages; and Vinblastine (c) the name'S of other bulk dfUgS for whkh technical know-how was developed by Reduction in Oil Exports during 1985.86 Tndian companies during last three years 153. SHRJ B. V. DESAI: Will the and whether commercial production has Minister of PETROLEUM be pJeased to commenced? stato : THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS (a) Whether Government have decided AND FERTIL1ZERS AND INDUSTRY to reduce oil exports during 1985·86 to a AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRf great extent; VE,ERENDRA PAUL) : (a) and (b). To the extent information is available names of (b) if so, the main reasonS for the same; Indian companies who claimed to have (e) to what extent will effect the oil con­ developed indigenous technical know-how sumption in tbe country ; and and reported to have manufactured bulk drugs as referred to in the question are (d) the efforts bebg made to compen­ given in the attached statement. Most of sate (or the oil which was to be imported these bulk drugs afe being produced by during the current year? IndiCtD companies from basic stage. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (cl A large number of bulk drugs inclu­ MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI ding Pyrazinamide, Trimethoprim, Meben­ NAW AL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) and dazole, Tinidazo]e, IsopropyJphenazole, (b). Yes Sir. This is due to higher proces­ Hydroxy ethyl Theophylline, Ethambutol sing of indigenous crude planned during the are being manufactured by Indian companies year in the newly commissioned projects. without any foreign colJaboration. (c) There will be no such effect. STATEMENT (d) Does not arise. S. Name of the Name of the Streogthening of Non.Voice Tele­ No. Drug company claim­ communlcatioD System ed to have developed the 154. SHRI B. V. DESAI': technology PROF. P. J. KURIEN : ------,------1. Doxycycline 'Ranbaxy w1M the Minister or COMMUNICATIONS 2. Erythromycin Not available be pleuecl to state • 183 Written Answers JULY 23, 1985 Written Answers 184

(c) if so, the details of the same? (b) if so, the details of assistance given to various States during Sixth Plan period; THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE and MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, (c) whether the same scheme is still Sir. ~ continuing for Seventh Plan ? (b) and (c). In the Seventh Plan pro­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE posals for provision bas been made for MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ expansion of Telex network. modernisation PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY of telegraph services and introduction of OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF public data communication services. Other MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) The Union Don-voice services such as telefax. te1etex, Government provides assistance to States! videotex etc., are also proposed to be intro­ Union Territories for development of infra­ duced. structural facilities in identified growth centres in No Indu~try Districts. Production of Electronic Telephones Instruments by Indian Telephone (b) This scheme was introduced only with effect from 1.4 83 and State Govern­ IDdustrie~ ments are finalising the project reports. ISS. SHRI PRATAP BHANU SHARMA: Will the Minister of COM- (c) Tbe Scheme of Central Assistance for MUNICATIONS be pleased to state : development of inf. astructurc in identified growtb centres in No Industry Districts has been presently extended upto 31st March, (a) whether Indian Telephone Industries 1986. Limited have developed electronic telepbone instruments; [Translation) (b) if so, the details thereof; and ~xtensioD of Telephone Facilities in Himachal Pradesh (c) whether its commercial production has started and these instruments are avaiJ­ 157. SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI . able to the subscribers? Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to sta te : THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (a) The names of places in HimaChal (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) to (C). Pradrsh "here telephones facilIties have been Indigenous development work for the Elec­ extended during 1985-86 and the details in tronic Telephones was taken up by the this regard ; and Indian Telephone Industries Limited and the (b) the names of places in Himachal prototype developed had been under evalua­ Pradesh in respect of "",hich demand (or tion by the Telecommunication Research telephone facilities was received from the Centre. Meanwhile it has been decided by State Government and the action taken the Government to obtain foreign technology thereon? for manufacture of Electronic Telephones. In view of this, tbe indigenous development THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ha. been .hclved. MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 185 Written Answer.. SRAVANA 1,1907 (SAKA) Written AII.JW~r$ 186

(SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) No Setting up of Chemical and Fertilizer telephone faciJity has been extended in Plant in HimachaJ Pradesh Himachal Pradesh during 1985-86 so far. 159. SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI: Will (b) The demand for telephone facility at the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTI­ the following 18 stations has been received LIZERS be pleased to state : from Himachal Pradesh Government and the (a) whether Government propose to set same has already been sanctioned. The tele­ up a Chemical and Fertilizer Plant in phone facility will be provided during the Himachal Pradesh also aDd if so, by what current financial year depending upon the time and the expenditure likely to be incurred availability of line stores :- thereon ; and

1. Mahri 10. Pathliar (b) whether any proposal to set up such 2. Jaloth 11. Molag a plant has been reeeived from the State Government and if so, the details thereof? 3. Thatbal 12. Deothi 4. Lathani 13. Kango ka Ghera THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY s. Lagroo 14. Seoh AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRt 6. Bathri 15. Nihari (Santhala) VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) There is no proposal at pres~nt with the Government to 7. Langna 16. Kocd set up any Chemical and Fertilizer Plant in 8. Majhin 17. Polian-Parohitan Public :,t:ClOr in H Ilnachal Pradesh. 8. Drubal 18. Kiarwan (b) No, Sir.

Petrol Pumps and Gas Agencies to be [English] opened in Himachal Pradesh Microwave Project for Mirzapur District 158. SHRI K. D. SULTANPURI 16]. SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS pleased to state: be pleased to state:

(a) whether it is a fact that a microwave (a) the number of petrol pumps aDd gas project was sanctioned for the industrial belt alencies proposed to be opened in Himachal of Mirzapur District at Pipari Renukoot; Pradesh during the year 1985-86 and the and details in this regard ; and (b) if so, tbe time by whi cb it is going (b) the number of places for which to be commissioned 1 advertisements have been issued many times but no decision regarding allotment has been THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE taken and the reasons therefor? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes, THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Sir. A Microwave Scheme bas been sanc­ MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI tioned to connect I'ipari (Renukoot) in NAWAL KISHQRE SHARMA): (a) Industrial Belt of District Mirzapur to While DO petrol retail outlet is proposed to Varanasi. be opened in Himachal Pradesh under the 1985-86 Marketing Plan of the Oil Industry, (b) The scheme is likely to be commis­ two LPG distributorships at Kangra and sioned by the end of 7th Plan, subject to Dera Gopipur in Kangra District are pro­ availability of equipment and civil infrastruc­ posed in that Plan under, respective]y, UG ture. and ST categories. Opening of branch Post Offices in Gays District of Bihar (b) The LPG distributorship at Una and the retail outlet dealership at Bcnikhet had' 162. SHRI RAM SWAROOP RAM to be advertised more than onCe since no Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS suitable candidates were available.. be pleased to state : 187 Written Answers JULY 23, 1985 Written Answers 188

(a) whether as per guidlines the villages produced only by a small scale industrial having population of 1500 should have a unit. Entry of a large or medium Icale branch post office ; undertaking in the areas reserved for small scale can be considered only on the basis of (b) if so, how many branch post offices export obligation of a minimum of 7S % of have been opened in the villages of Gaya its production. There is no proposal to district in Bihar during the last two years change this policy . . and how many villages have been left out; and Setting up of Gas based Fertilizer Plants (c) the time by which the branch post in Uttar Pradesh offices will be opened in the rest of the 164. SHRI JlTENDRA PRASAD viUages ? Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND THE MINISTER OF STATE ()F THE FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (a) whether it is a fact that various (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) No industrial groups have been allocated the such guidHnes as stated have been prescribed four gas based fertilizer plants proposed to by the Department. be set up in Uttar Pradesh ; (b) Eight post offices have heeD opened (b) so, the name of the industrial groups in in the last two years. Post \\tho have been given letters of intent; offices are opened in rural areas subject to (c) who are tbe foreign collaborators for their fulfilling the norm" Jaid down by the each of the above fertilizer plants; and Department and availability of financial resources. These are at present 1805 villages (d) the progress of each of these fertili­ without post offices. Not all of them may zer plants and whether the work is in progress be justified to have a post office according according to the schedule prepared earlier to the departmental norms. and if not. what is the new schedule? (c) Postal expansion is done in a phased THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS manner from year to year subject to avail­ AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY ability of funds and keeping in view the AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI overall postal development in the entire VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) to (c). Details country. regarding location, ownership and foreign colla bora tors in respect of the gas based Restrictions on Big Industrial House to fertilizer plants proposed to be set up in enter Areas Resened for Small U,P. are given in the statement enclosed. Scale Industrv (d) The zero dates of the four aas-based 163. SHRI RAM SWAROQP RAM: plants proposed to be set up in U.P. are as Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND follows :- COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (1) Aonla 1-10-85 (a) whether Government have any pro­ (2) Jagdishpur 1-3-85 posal to ban the big industrial houses to (3) Babrala 1-10-85 enter into the field of business which are (4) Shahjahanpur 1-4 .. 86 meant for small scale industry ; and The implementation of the projects at (b) jf not, the reasons therefor? Aonla and Jaadishpur has started as per THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE commencement dates given above and the MINISTRY OF ·INDUSTRY AND COM­ progress is according to schedule. The zero PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE dates in respect of Aonla and Jagdishpur MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SARI fertilizer projects were. however, shifted from ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) and 1-4-84 0 1-10.84 and 1-10·84 to 1-3-85 respec­ (b). According to existing Licensing Policy. tively due to delay in finalisation of contrac­ an item reserved for small scale can be tural arrangements. 189 W,ltt6n Answers SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answer.! 190

STATEMENT

S.No. Location Ownership Foreign collaboralion

J. AonJa, Disu. Bareilly. Mis. Indian Farmers For Ammonia Technology: MIl. U.P. Fertilizer Cooperative Haldor Topsoe of Denmark. Ltd. For Urea Technology: MIs. Snam­ progetti of Itlay. Mfs. Snamprogetti are the overall engineering contractors.

2. Jagdisbpur. Distt. MI. Indo-Golf Ferti­ For Ammonia Technology: Mis. Sultanpur, U.P. lizers & Chemicals Haldor Topsoe of Denmark. Corpn. Ltd. For Urea Technology: MIs. Snam­ progetti of Itlay. MIs. Snamprogetti are the overall engineering contractors.

3. BabraIa, District Badaun. MIs. Tata Chemicals Not yet decided by the Company. U.P. Ltd.

4. Sbabjahanpur Not yet decided Not yet decided.

Revenoe from Telephones in the District Telephone (Amount In Lakhs Headquarters of Uttar Pradesh Circie District of Rupees

165 SHRI JITENDRA PRASAD: Will Year-1984-8S tbe Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be 1. Allahabad 199.84 p\ eased to state : 2. Agro 364.17 (a) whether it is a fact that revenue from 3. Lucknow 688.90 telephones bas increased in the past three 4. Kanpur 736.20 years in tbe Telephone Districts of Uttar 5. Varanasi 262.61 Pradesh Circle ; Consultancy Services for Planoing Telecom­ (b) if the re\tenue has decreased, the munication networks in De,eloping reasons tberefor and tbe remedial action Countries taken in this regard ; and 166. SHRI LAKSHMAN MALLICK· (c) the telephone district-wise compara. Will the Minister of COMM UN ICATIONS tive figures for last one year ? be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (a) whether it is a 'act that India has MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS offered consultancy services to undertake (SHRI RAM NI\VAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, feasibility studies and to plan telecommuni­ Sir. The total telephone revenue from cation networks in developing countries telephone districts of Uttar Pr~desh Circle bilaterally or in cooperation with the inter­ has been increasing during, the last 3 years. national Telecommunication Union; and (b) if so, the details regarding the pro­ (b) Does not ari\c. gress of our country in this regard and the (c) Tbe telephone district.wise compara­ details regarding the countries which have tive fllures for the last one year arc as come forward to seek India's COOperation iD under :- the resard ? 191 Written Answers JULY 23, 1985 Written Answtrs t~2

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Sale of Post Cards, Covers and Stamps MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS by General Stores and Petty Sbops (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) Yes. Sir. 168. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IVER : WiJI the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS (b) Indian experts from Department of be pleased to state : Telecommunications havo for years, been rendering assistance to developing countries (a) whether the general stores and petty in planning te)ecom networks in cooperation shops are permitted to sell post cards, covers and stamps; with ITU or on the basis of bilateral agree­ ments between Government of India and (b) whether it has come to the notice the other Government concerned. Telecom­ that they are charging double the rateS ; munication consultants India Ltd.~ a public sector undertaking under Department of (c) whether Government have allowed Telecom, has been offering consultancy • them to scJ] postage stamps, covers. card~ services in planning &: execution of telecom etc. by charging officially fixed rates ; and projects to scveral de.eioping countries. (d) whether Government consider giving wholesale commission to the shopvendors ? Manufacture of Gas Turbines by BHEL THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 167. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA lYER: MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS SHRI K. PRADHANl : (SHHI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Yes, Sir. if they take a license for the pur­ Will the Minister of INDUSTRY AND pose from the postal department. COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) No, Sir. (a> the number of public sector under­ takings manufacturing gas turbines ; (c) Yes, Sir. (b) whether Bharat Heavy Electricals (d) 1.5% commission on sale or postage Limited is manufacturing gas turbines; stamps and stationery to the agents appoint­ ed ror this purpose is gi'fen by the Depart­ (c) whether Government will take steps ment. ~o manufacture more gas turbines by Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited to overcome the Introduction of Computers in Supreme power crisis in the country; and Court and High Courts (d) the names of the States where these 169. SHRI V. S. KRISHNA IYER : las turbines are going to be commissioned 1 Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ (a) whether any project report has been PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE submitted by Justice G.M. Lodha of Rajas­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI than High Court regarding introduction of ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) and computer technology in the runctioning of (b). At present therc is no unit in the public Supreme Court and establishing an electronic lector engaged in the manufacture of gas centre to help in speedy disposal of cases' and • turbines.

(c) and (d). Bharat Heavy EJectricals (b) whether Government propose to· Ltd. bas a Letter of intent for manufacture introduce computers in SUpreme Court and of gas turbines. The Company is currently High Courts to expedite the pending cases ? engaged in preparatory action. Manufacture THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of gas turbines would start after technology MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE transfer arrangements are finalised. BHEL (SHRI H. R. BHARADWAJ) : (a) Yes, bas received enquiries for gas turbine driven Sir. Icnerator sets from Electricity Boards or Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Tamil Nadu, Maha- (b) The matter is receiVing the attention rasbtra etc. of the Government of India. 193 Written A/llWers SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answer, 194

Reports of Working Group of NDPDC Based. on the preliminary estimates, the 170. SHRI SARFARAZ AHMAD; approximate cost of set ring up the Ordnance Factory, Mcdak wi1l b. ot the order of SHRI TARIQ ANWAR: Rs. 421 crores. SHRI : Various activities hke civil works etc. are Wi11 the Minister of CHEMICALS AND progressing ':1fisf~cforj'y and according to FERTILrZERS be pJea~ed to state = the production schedules drawn in consu)ta. tion with tbe collaborators. (a) whether it is a fac.t that the reports of the working group of National Drugs and It will not be in public interest to disclose Pharmaceutical Deve!opment Council do not further details in tbi:) regard contain any study but contain various view points; Vrtits Manufacturing LPG Cylinders in (b) whether the said reports contain Andhra Pradesb study of the effect of existing policy on price 172. SHRI E. A YY APU REDDY line and profitability; WiJI the Minister of PETROLEUM be (c) whether it is a fact that the report pleased to state: or NDPDC does not contain any recom­ (a) the number of units manufacturins mendations ; LPG cylinders in Andhra Pradesh ; (d) whether the report is being proce5sed (b) the total instaBed capacity of tbese by the Government; and units; (e) if so, the results thereof? (c) the demands of tbe O,N.O.C. in the year 1984·85 and the various units in THE MINISTER OF CHEMfCALS Andhra Pradesh; and AND FERTILIZERS AND lNDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIR ~ (SH RI (d) wheth~r the manufacture of the gas VEERENfiRA PATIL): (a) and ,b). The cylindns exceeds the dC'lT'and and whether Working Groups constituted by the NatIOnal these units are facing cJmure on accC'unt of Drugs and Pharmaceutical Development lack of demand for the manufacture of gas Council took into consider:llion various cylinders? aspect., rclatlOg to production, priciDg~ profit­ THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE ability etc. MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI (c) Recom'l1cndations with various alter­ NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA) : (a) Four­ natives wherever necessary are contained in teen units. the National Drugs and Pharmaceutical (b) 37.00 lakhs LPG cylinders/per annum. Development Council Report. (c) The requirement of the marketing (d) and (e). Government would take a Oil Companies (not ONGC) for cYlinders decision on the changes/modification needed during 1984-85 was ',sO lakhs cylinders and in the Drug Policy in view all the keeping order placed on variolls units in Andhra various relevant factors and view pOints. Pradesh was 23. 36 lakhs.

Ordnance Factory at Medak (d) The manufacturing capacity of LPG cylinders in the country exceeds the require. 171. SHRI B. AYYAPU REDDY ments of the Oil Industry. T"ose untts which Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased have obtained clearance from the Oil Indus. to state: try Technical Committee are being given (a) the total investment made so far on orders for cylinders by the Oil Industry. the Ordnance Faclory at Medak ; and Pending AppUcations for New Telephone (b) the apprqximatc year in which the Connections in Hyderabad and Ordnance Factory at Me.tL'lk is likely to go Secundelabad (Aodbra Pradesh) into production? 173. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI Will the Minister of CO MM UN1CATION~ P. V. NARASIMH.A RA.O) • (a) lind (b). bo pleuod to ,'ato : 19S Written Answers JULY 23, 1985 Written Answ.rs 196

(a) the number of applications for tele­ to be part of the "Northern Area of phone connections which are pending 0) in Pakistan ". the twin cities of Hyderabad and Secundera­ bad and (Ii) in the District Headquarters of (c) The Siachen Glacier area is an in­ Andhra Pradesh as on 31 March, 1985 ; and tegral part of India and we are in effective control of the same. (b) the average rate at which the tele­ phone connections are made available per Petrol-Hydrogen Cars month in the twin cities and also in the 175. DR. G. VUAYA RAM A RAO: Districts 1 Will the Minister of PETROLEUM be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (a) whether Government are aware of (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA) : (a) The the new petrol-hydrogen cars which have number of applicants pending in twin cities been under test in West Germany and other of Hyderabad and Secunderabad and in 1he Western nations in order to meet the needs District Headquarters of Andhra Pradc~h as of the 21 st century and to reduce pollution on 31st March, 1985 is 31661 and 9885 and If so, details tbereof (Telegraph, 2S May. respectively. 1985);

(b) The average rate of giving telepbone (b) whether any such fuels are undu connections per month during 1984-85 in the test in India and if so, details of the twin cities and in the Districts was about advances made; 360 and 60 Jines respectively. (c) whether it is correct that India is not using alcohol in petrol cars despite the Exchange of fire Between Indian Arm\' and new designs developed in the country Pakistan Army at Stacben Glacier earlier ; and

174. SHRI E. AYYAPU REDDY: Will (d) whether Government propose to the Minister of DEFENCE be pieac;ed to review its Rand D effort in this direction state: and bave clear objectives and tima bound (a) whether ,here has been any exchange projects in order to be ready for the 21st century a~ other countries are doiol ? of fire between and Pdki~tan ar~y in Siachen Glacier, if so the number THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE of casualties on either side; MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM (SHRI NAWAL KISHORE SHARMA): (a) Yes, (b) whether the Pakistan's Foreign Sir. Work on use of hydrogen in cars and Minister gave a statement to the prelis on other vehicles has been goin. on for the about 8.6.1985 claiming Siachen Glacier for past ~everal year's in Western countrtes. Pakistan ; and Hydrogen is considered by many as thc (c) whether the said area is under the future fuel. effective control and occupation of Indian (b) Laboratories studies on the subject army and if not, the steps taken to gain have been undertaken at lome universities control over the said area ? and [ndian Institute of Technology.

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (c) Yes, Sir. Commercial use of alcohol (SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO): (a) There in petrol cars is not being made nor special have been cases of exchange of fire between aJcohol run engines are being produced in Pakistani and Indian troops in the Siachen the country. Glacier area. Casualties have occured on both sides. It would not be desirable to (d) Althougb the technology to blend power alcohol witb petrol for use as auto­ disclose details. moti ve fuel has been cltablished. commercial (b) Government have seen media reports use of alcohol in India as automotive fuel on th~ Pakistaa Foreign Minister's statement has not been found feasible as surplus alco­ in the Pakistan National Assembly on 8rh hol is not available for this purpose on a Juno, 1985, claiming Siachen Glacier area steady basis. Besidos, use of alcohol as 191 Wrltt~" AlUWefS SRAVANA, 1, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 198 fuel is Dot cODsidered to be optimum utili­ (b) to Cd). Information to the extent .ation of this industrial raw material, which available is being coJlected and 'Would be caa be preferentially used for making high laid on the Table of the Lok Sabha. value-added chemicals in the country. Production aDd consump~ion of soda asb Supply or penicillin to the producers of 6 APA at lower rates 177. SHRI CHINTAMANI JENA: Win the Minjster of CHEMICALS AND 176. SHRI CHINTAM ANI JENA: FER TILIZERS be pleased to state : Will tbe Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (a) the number and location of soda ash factor ies functioning in the country and (a) whether his Ministry have issued their annual production; instruction to indigenous manufacturers of Penicillin to suppJy Penicillin to the pro­ (b) the annual consumption of soda ash ducers of 6 APA at lower rate than that in tbe country ; fixed by Government; (c) whether soda ash is being imported (b) the names of the companies, price to meet the demand ; and quantity of Penicillin which has been supplied month-wise during the last One (d) jf so, the quantity imported during year : the last three years; year-wise; (c) whether some of these parties who (e) whether GOvernment propose to have received Penicillin at sudsidised rates establish more units to produce soda ash to resold the material to other indigenous meet the increasiug demand of soda ash in manufacturers of Penicillin ; and the country; and

(d) if so, the details of the same? (f) if so, the steps taken in this respect? THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) HAL & IDPL VEERENlJRA PATIL) : (a) There are, at in August, 1984 offerrro to supply Potassium present, six soda ash plants operating in Penicillin G First Crystals to the producers the country. The location and production or 6-APA at the rate of Rs. SOO/- per BU. during 19H4-85 of these plants was:

Name of the Unit Location Production (1984.85) (Tonnes)

1. Tata Chemicals Ltd. Mithapur Gujarat 467132 2. Saurashtra Chemicals Porbandar, Gujarat 6390 3. Dhrangadhra Chemicals Works Dhrangadhra, Gujarat 62044- 4. Hari Fertilisers Ltd. Sahupuri, Varanasi, U.P. 10029 S. Tuticori. Alkali Chemicals &: Tuticorin, Madras 59976 Fertilizers Ltd. 6. Punjab National Fertilizers & Nagaland, Punjab 9115* Chemicals Limited.

·Commenced oommercial production from 26.1.85.

(b) The estimated consumption of Soda 1984-85 would be of the order of Rs. 8.50 Asb during 1983-84 was Rs. 7.90 lakh tonnes. lakh tonnes. However, on account of various With the growth rate of 7%, it was estimated factors, the consumption of Soda Ash has that tbe CODiumption of Soda Ash during increased beyond tbis estimate in 1984-8'. 199 Written Answers JULY 23, 1985 Written Answers 200

(c) and (d). Yest Sir. However, the actual (b) The plant could not go into produc­ Impons statistics relating to Soda Ash tion as a few raw materials are to be obtai­ during the last three years are not readily ned from other plants of HFC which ~e available. These statistics arc compiled and not yet commissioned. published by the Directorate General of Commercial Intelligence &: Statistics, Foreign and Indian firms haYing Dealings with Calcutta. There is usually a time lag in HiDdustan Fertilizer Corporation, Haldia compilation and publication of the data. Once the statistics are compiled, they arc 179. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: pUblished in the Monthly Statistics for With tbe Mimster of CHEMICALS AND Foreiln Trade of India, Volume II, copies FERTILIZERS be pleased to slate: of which are available in the Parliament (a) whether a number of foreign and Library. IndIan firms have dealings with Hindustan Fertilizer Corporation, Haldia and if so, (e) and (f). Yes, Sir. An additional their names ; capacity of 6.26 lakh tonnes has been approved to meet the future demand of Soda (b) whether there is any other unit of Ash. HFC baving such dealings with a Jarge number of foreign firms ; and H.F.e. Haldia Complex (c) if so. the Dames of such units? 178. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: Will tbe Minister of CHEMICALS AND THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: AND COMPANY AFFAIRS \SHRI (a) whether the soda ash plant at the VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. There HFC, Haldia complex which has a capacity are a number 01 Indian and foreign firms to produce 60,000 metflc tonnes of soda ash who have dealings with HFC Haldia. The annually, was completed long back ; and details of firms are given III the enclo8ed statement. (b) if so, the reasons for the failure of the plant tl) go into production? (b) and (c) Hindustan Fertilizer Corpo­ ration has 3 other Units-Durgapur, THE MINISTER OF CHE \lICALS Barauni and Namru. The~e Units have a AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY small number of products both llltermediate AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI and end-products, As a result they had to VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) Yes, Sir. deal with fewer foreign firms.

STATEMENT BASIC AND DETAILED ENGINEERING

Plant/Section Basic Enaineering Detailed Engineering (i) AMMONIA

(viii) Soda Ash polimex-Chekop Polimex·Cbekop (ix) Methanol (a) Synthesis Haldor Topsoe )..PDIL (b) Re.fining Storage &: filling POlL PDIL MAJOR EXECUTORS

(A) Civil (C) Electrical (i) MIs. H.C.C. Ltd. (i) MIs. Crompton Greaves (ii) Mis. N.B.C.C. Ltd. (ii) MIs. Bombay Suburban Electric Co. (iii) MIs. Gammon (1) Ltd. (iii) M Is. Techno Elect Engg. Co. (iv) MIs. E.C.C. Ltd. (v) MIs. Bridge &: Roof (1) Ltd. (vi) MIs, Simplex Ltd. (viii) Mis. Cannan Dunkerly &: Co. Ltd. (B) Mechanical (D) Instrumentation (i) Mis. D.H.E.L. 0) MIs. Electro Zavod (I) Ltd. Oi) M!s. Head Wrigbtaon (I) Ltd. (ii) Mis. BestobelJ (I) Ltd. (iii) MIs. Devy Ashmore (iii) MIs. Taylor Instruments (I) Ltd. (iv) MIs. Bridge & Roof (J) Ltd. (v) MIs. Stewarts &: Lloyds.

SUPPLY OF EQUIPMENT

Plant Equipment Number Function Manufacturer/ Installed Supplier Amonia Synthesis Compressor 1 Compressing ammonia N uovopignoneI synthesis gas BHEL Refrigeration Compressor 1 Liquefication of Nuovopignone/ ammonia BBEL Nitrogen Compressor 1 Compressing nitrogen Nuovopignoncj BHBL Air Compressor 1 Compressing DEMAG atmospheric air OXYlen Compressor 3 Compressing Oxygen LINDE! ATLAS- COPCO/CLE Boiler Feed Water Pumps 2 Supplying water to high PO MPES pressure waste heat OUINARD boilers lIigh Pressure Feed Stock S Supplying feed stock REEINSTAHLAG Pumps for gaSification Water Saturator 1 Supplying steam for LARSEN &: s~ift reaction TOUBRO Methanol Synthesis Compressor 1 Compressing fresh and B.P.C.L make up gas for methanol syn thesis

Hydrogenator/H 2S Absorber 1 Removing sulphur T.S.L. compounds from the syntbcais las 203 JVrilt~n Answ~rs JULY 23, 1985 Wrlit~" A."sw6r" 204-

Extraction column 1 Refinina or methanol T.S.L. Methanol column 1 -do- BIRD cl Co. Tails column 1 -do- BIRD &: Co. Reactors 4 Synthesis of methanol B.H.P.V. Urea Carbamate Pumps 3 Feeding of recycled WORTH_ ammonium carbamato INGTON to reactor at biah pressure Ammonia Pumps 2 Feeding liquid ammonia WORTH- to the reactor at high INGTON pre,sure Carbon Di-oxide 1 Compressing and feed- Compressor ing CO2 at high DEMAG pressure to reactor Soda Ash Lime Kiln Burning calcium carbonate A.C.C. jn presence of coke Distiller 2 Ammonia regeneration B.H.P.V. Carbonating Tower 3 carbonation of ammonia- POLYMBX ted brine Ammonia Absorber 1 Ammoniation of brine HOOGHLY DOCK

Carbon Dioxide Com pressor 1 Compressing CO2 gas RATAEU Galciner 1 Decomposing Sodium POLYMEX Bicarbonate to carbonate by heating Monohydrator 1 Making dense soda drying PALYMBX HOOGHLY Drier Cooler 1 Cooling of final (each) Dock product Ammonittm Sulphate Prayon Filter 1 Slurry filtration C.L.E. Rotary DrumJFilter 2 Slurry filtration EMlCO iC.C.P. Carbonation Tower 1 Making ammonium carbonate Solution Reactor Assembly 5 Reaction between ammonium carbonate and gypsum

N.P.K. Bal) Mill 2 Grindiog rock phosphate BHARAT R.P.G. PrayoD Filter 1 Slurry filtration ENSA- HEUfREY Coating Drum 1 Coating of final product -do- Dissolving Reactor 2 Carrying out the reaction -do- Preci pi tator 2 Carrying out the reactions -do- NeutraUser 1 -do- -do- Sul,huric Main All' Blower 2 Supplyina air to sulphur SOLYVBNT Acid furnace VENTEC Sulphur Pump Turbine 2 Drivini the sulphur pumps KESTNER. 20S Writt_II An.rwer,f SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Written An.rw.rl 206

Boiler.Economiser 1 Generating steam from ENSA heat of reaction Nitric Acid Air Compressor 1 Supplying air for ammonia DELAVAL- oxidation STORK

Absorption Tower. 6 Absorption of N O2 as wen A.P.V. as oxidation of No. Ammonia Burner Cum 2 Oxidation of ammonia BHBL Reactor Boiler 2 Generating steam from POLYMEX heat of reaction Phosphoric Acid Prayon filter 1 Slurry filtration SPEIOHIM Reaction fume scrubber 1 Scrubbing of corrosive AIR IN· gas by water DUSTRIES Ground Rock Phosphate 1 For mixing of ground BURl MAT Weigh Feeder rock phosphate improper proportion 98% Sulphuric Acid dilu- 1 For dilution as wen as VICARB tion cum cooling unit cooling or acid

Safety measures in Hindustan Fertilizer (b) if SO, the places where the on-shore Corporation, Raldal exploration would be carried ; 180. SHRI HANNAN MOLLAH: (c) the approximate time when the Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND exploratory work would start ; and FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (d) the salient features of the agree­

Agreement wltb CFP for Exploration (b) if so, the steps taken to recruit morc ju oR-.bore areas number of Coast guards for posting them in East Coast of India; and 181. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI­ (c) the specific steps taken to appoint GRAHl: WUl the Minister of PETRO­ or recruit sufficient number of coast luard. LEUM be pleased to state : in the country? (a) whether Government have entered THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI into any aareement with CFP, the French P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) Yes, Sir. Oil Company, for exploration in the on­ sbore areas ; (b) and (c). Keeping in view tho expan- 207 Written Answers JULY 23,1985 Written Answers 208

sion ptans of the Coast Guard and the mitted to the Planning Commission envisages requirement of personnel to implement these of 70 la.th main telephones lines (Direct plans, increasing numbers of per-sonnel are Exchange lines) by the year 1990. Subject being inducted into the Coast Guard~ as to the approval of this programme the direct recruits through planned regular likely density by the year 1990 would be recruitlJ'ent conducted on an India basis and around 8.5 Direct Exchange lines and given the required training. Wherever around 11 stations per thousand popu­ necessary, recounc is at~o had to taking lation. Hl)Wever. the plan is sti)] under luitable trained personnel on deputation I consideration of tbe Planning commission re~empJoyment basis from the Indian Navy, and the actual provisions would depend till such time as the Coast Guard IS able to upon tbe availability of resources. recruit and train personnel to meet all its manpower requirements. STATEMBNT-I II State/U.T. Telephodes per 1000 Density of Telepbones in the Country population 183. PROF. NARAJN CHAND STATES PARASHAR, Will the Minister of 1. Andhra Pradesh 3.99 COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: 2. Assam 1.43 3. Bihar 1.02 (a) the density of telephones (number of telephones per thousand persons) in the 4. Gujarat 7.68 country as we]) as in each con!Jtltuent State/ 5, Haryana 3.84 Union territory at the end of the Sixth Five 6. Himachal Pradesh 3.85 Year Plan (31March, 1985); 7. Jammu & Kashmir 3.99 (b) how doee; it compare with the 8. Karnataka 5.30 telephone density in the leading Third World 9. Kerala 5.94 countriec: of Asia. Africa and Latin America and tbe leading Western and Socialist count­ 10. ~adhya Pradesh 1.87 ries as also Japan; II. Maharashtra 1 I .91 12. Man;pur 1,83 (c) whether any steps have been tdken to improve the situation in the Seventh FIve 13. Meghalaya 4.63 Year Plan; and 14. Nagaland 4.50 (d) if so, the steps taken and the likely ] 5. Orissa 1.51 density of telephones in the country by the 16. Punjab 6.19 eod of the Seventh Five Year Plan? 17. Rajasthan 3.07 THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE 18. Sikkim S.36 MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS 19. Tamn Nadu 6.24 (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA\: (a) The 20. Tripura ] .82 density of telephones (No. of telephones per thousand persons) in the country as on 21. Uttar Pradesh 1.71 31st March, 85 is 5.01. 22. West Bengal 5.50 The information of density of telephones J1 I UNION TERRITORIES in eacb constituent in each States/Union 1. Andaman &; Nicobar 5.77 territories as on 31st March, 85 is being col­ 2. Arunachal Pradesh 2.S0 lected from the field units. However, the 3. Chandigarh 42.66 statement of densIty as on 30th September, 1984 is given in ~tatement·I attached. 4. Dadra & Nagar Haveli 3.90 (b) A comparative statement of tele­ S. DeJhi 49.01 pbone density amongst various countncs is 6. Goa Daman Diu 10.27 ~iven in statement-II attached. 7. Mizoram 2.16 (c) Yes. Sir, 8. Pondichery 7.59 (d) The Seventh Plan proposal for 9. Lakshadwcep 10.95 rtlecommullications which have been &ub· Note; Telephones as on 30.9.84 209 Written Answers SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) tf'rillen Answers 210

STATEMENT-II {Translation] DENSITY OF TELEPHONES (TELEPHO. Increase in tbe Pension rate or PenlioDerl NES PER 1000 PERSONS) OF INDIA AS of tbe Burmese Governmeot COMPARED TO THE LEADING 3RD WORLD, WESTERN AND SOCIA­ 184. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : Will LIST CQUNTRIES·1982. the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : S. No. Countries Telephones per 1000 population (a) the total number of ex-~ervicemen pensioners of the Burmese Government in I. India 4.3 the country at present; II, Leading Third World Countries (b) whether Government have under A, Asia consideration any proposal to increase the pension rates of these pensioners; and 1. Sri Lanka 7.! 2. Israel 346,7 (c) jf so, the details thereof? 3. Malaysia 61.10 THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 4, Philippines 15.4 P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) to (c). Pen­ 5. Singapore 342.4 sionary liability of the ex-servicemen Pen­ sioners of the Burmese Government is of 6. Tbailand 10.3 that Government, although they are being 7, Hong Kong 372.2 paid their pension in India through various treasuries and Controller of Defence Accounts B. Africa (Pensions}, Allahabad, As such, any' ques· 1. Algena 31.1 tion relating to increase in their pension has 2. Ethiopia 3.1 to be considered by that Government. Howevert with a view to helping these indi­ 3. Kenya ]2.5 viduals, being the citIzens of India, the C. Latin America Ministry of External Affairs, at the instance of Ministry of Defence, requested the 1, Costa Rica 117.6 Government of Burma in November, 1978 2. Mexico 81.3 to grant some relief to these pensioners to 3. Argentina 111.9 offset the rising cost of living. According to the data collected at that time, the number Ill. leading Western Countries of these penSioners was approximately 2000. 1. U.S.A. 760.3 2. Canada 630.9 As no response was received from the Burmese Government, despite reminderl, 3. U.K. 516.6 another side memoire was given to that 4. Netherlands 559.7 Government in February 1985. S, Germany (Federal Republic) 509.3 6, France 541.4 Setting up of a Bencb of Allahabad Higb Court 10 Western U.P. 7. Austria 440.4 8, Sweden 856.4 ISS. SHRI HARISH RAWAT : Will the Minister of LAW AND JUSTICE be 9. Denmark 702.7 pleased to state : 10. Finland 546.2 (a) whether a final decision has been IV. Leading Socialist Countries taken to set up a bench of Allahabad Biah Court in U.P. for the convenience of the 1, Hungary 125.0 peopJe livjng in western districts of U.p. 2. Poland 100,2 (b) if so, whether the interests of the hilly 3. Japan 519.7 areas or U.P., will also be kept in view Source : Year book of Common Carrier while sclcctin, • place fOf the purpose; Telecommunication Stati~tics (l1tb Edition). and 211 Written Answers JULY 23, 1985 Written Answltrs 212

(c) whether this bench is likely to start 13. Duphar Interfran 1951 8.00 functioning during the Seventh Plan period'? 14. S.K. & F. 1950 Branch THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TIlE 15. German Remedies 1949 N.A. MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE N.A.=Not Available (SHRI H.R. BHARADWAJ) : (a) to (c). The Jaswant Singh Commission which was A\siJabilityof Indigenous Leatber Chemical appointed to examine and report on the question of setting up of a Bench of the U7. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER­ Allahabad Hiah Court in the western district JI:E: win the Minister of INDUSTRY of Uttar Pradesh, has submitted its report AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to to the Government on 30th April, 19R5. 5tate : The Report of the Commission is under (a) whether Governments attention has consideration of the Government. been drawn to a news-item Importers trample leather enzyme maker" published in the [English] Business Standard rated 9th June, 1985; Establishment of Business in India by Abbott, (b) if so, whether Government have Warner Hindustan, etc. checked up with the contention that 8n ]86. SHRJ VILAS MUTTEMWAR : Indian-made leather chemical is readily Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND absorbed by tanneries in Bangladesh Paki­ FERTILIZERS be pleased to State: <;tan and Nepal while the leather units in India freely import the chemica) at a higher (a) the date of establi~hment of bu~jness in India by Abbott, Warner Hindust::ln, cost; and Glaxo. E-Merck, Boots, Hoech'lt, Bl1rroughs (c) if so, the results and remedial Wellcome, Parke Davis. Roussel, Pfizer, actions taken to stop such harmful imports? Searle, Sandoz, Duphar Ioterfran, SK&F and German Remedies; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ (b) their original investment? PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ANP FERTIL1ZERS AND INDUSTRY ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a) Yes, AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHR( VEE­ Sir. RENDRA PATIL): (a) and (b). The rele­ (b) and (c). Formulated leather bates of vant details, to the extent avaIlable, are enzyme for alkaline medium is manufac­ indicated in the statement attached. tured by one unit in the small scale sector. This material is being supplied to leather STATEMENT tndustry. Government is not aware of any S. No. Name of Year of in Original significant export of this item. Imports are Company corporation Equity taking place only io respect of those for­ in India (R<\. Lakh) mulated products which are superior in quality or are required for acidic medium. 1. Abbott 1946 N. A. Import Policy for leather industry also takes 2. Warner Hindustan 1962 70.00 into consideration the importance of the 3. Glaxo 1924 1.50 industry to national economy. 4. B-Merck 1967 20.00 Import of Technology 5. Boots 1929 ]0.00 6 Hoechst 1956 20.00 188. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE }'A TIL : Will the Minister of INDUSTRY 7·. Burroughs Wellcome '912 500 AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to 8. Parke Davis 1907 87.50 state : 9. Roussel 1956 1.96 (a) whether it is a fact that a high 10. Pfizer 19S2 2.00 power~' Committee recently have SUllclted 11. Searle 1967 6,00 that in order to update technology, the lZ, S'QdO~ N.A. JO,OO industr)" will be p"Plittcd 'Q impore 21J Writ/In Answtrs lSRAVANA t, t907 (SAKA) Writt,,, Answers 214 technology without having to obtain Govern­ cable breadowD which bas already been ment's permission for it; restored. (b) whether the import of technology is (c) Not applicable in view of tbe reply sought to be covered under OGL; at (h) above.

(c) if so, the other details of the scheme; C onvcr~ion of manual telephone oxchange. Jato and direct dialling system in Rajasthan (d) when a decision in this regard is 190. SHR[ SHANTJ DHARIWAL: likely to be taken? Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM. (a) 'Whether Government have formula­ PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINIS­ ted a ... cht'ffie for converting the telephone TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ,SHRI ARIF exchange~ in Rajasthan where there is no MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (d) An direct diallmg system into Direct Dialling [nter-Departmental Working Group has been System during the current financial year; set up to examine tbe liberalisation of terms lnd simplirication of procedures rOr import (b) if ~o. the places where this scheme of technology. It will also suggest sector',! is to he implemented during current year; industries where further simplification in and the form of import of technology. under (c) If not. the time by which Govern­ DOL, will expedite the process of Industrial m~nt purpose to implement this scheme ? development. THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE Report of the Working Group has not MJNJSTf:Y OF COMMUNICATIONS yet been sUbmitted. (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Automatisation of manual exchanges in [Trans/ ation] Rajasthan is prop0:icu to be achieved in a Defective functioning of Ajmer phasf'd pfl1g1 amme. Telephone Exchanges (b) Three exchanges viz. Sikar, Chittor­ 189. SHRI VISHNU MODI: Will the garh and Sriganglnagar arc likely to be Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be automati'led during current financial year. pleased to state : (c) There are 140 Manual exchanges (a) whether Government have received in Rajasthan About one third of these are lny memorandum regarding difficulties proposed to be automatised during 7th Plan beina faced by subscribers due to defective !:.ubjcct to availability of resources. functioning of Ajmer Telephone Exchange; [English' (b) if so, whether Government propose to send a term of tcchnical expert engineers &. T.D. l"acility at Ulbas Nagar and to check the runctioning of the Ajmer Ambar Natb (Mabarashtra) Telephone Bxchange (Rajasthan); and 191. SHRI S,G. GHOLAP: Will the . (c) if so, the time by which this team Mini~·ter of COMMUNICATIONS be will be sent there and if .ot. the reasons pleased to state : therefor? (a) whether an automatic telephone THE MINISTER OF STATE OF exchange ha~ been commissioned at U}ha~­ MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS nagar (Maharashtra) recently, and if so, the (SHRI RAM NIWAS M[RDHA): (a) No cost of th~ project ; memorandum has been recejved. OnJy (b) whether' there is no STD facility individual complaints regarding difficulties from Ulhas Nagar and Ambar Nath, if so, faced by Ajmer telephone subscribers arc when it is likely to be made available; and received. (c) the present capacity of the exchlnae (b) No. Sir; the system is working and whether tbe target is sixty thousan4 aonerall), satisfactory. However there was calls per hour '1 21S Written Answers JULY 23, 1985 Written Answers 216

THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE present and can be completed for com­ MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS mercial production within a period of 2 to (SHRI RAM NIWAS MJRDHA) : <8> Yes, 21 years from the date of issue of Letter of Sir at the cost of Rs. 6.78 crores. Intent.

(b) STO facility i. already available to Production of Watcbes Bombay from Ambarnath and is likely to be 193. SHR! HARIHAR SOREN: Will provided to Ulhas Nagar during the current the Minister of INDUSTRY AND COM­ year. PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

(c) Present capacity of the exchange is (a) the number of watches produced in 7,000 lines and the maximum call handling the country annually; capacity of the exchange is 56,000 calls per bour. (b) thc number of watches produced in 1984-85 ; Setting up of superphosphate fertilizer plaots in tbe country (c) whether Government have provided some incentives to watch industry during 192. SHRI HARIHAR SOREN : 1985.86 ; and Will the Minister of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (d) if so, the detail~ thereof? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether Government have a propo­ MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ sal to aet up some Superphosphate fertilizer PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINIS­ plants in the country ; TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF (b) if so, the number of such plants MOHAMMAD KHAN): (8) The annual proposed to be set up ; production of Wrist Watches (Mechanical/ Quartz Analogue) during the years 1981, (c) the cost of such plants ; and 1982, 1983 and 1984 is as under :-

(d) when those Superphosphate plants Year production arc expected to start commercial production? (in )akh nos.) 1981 56.29 THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS 1982 64.03 AND .FERTILIZERS AND INDUSrRY AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI ]983 59.46 VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) to (d). Yes, Sir. 1984 60.26 The Government have received a number of applications under the I (0 & R) Act, (b) 62.91 lakhs Watches were prodUCed 1951 for setting up Superphosphate Plants in during the year 1984-8~. the country combined with Sulphuric Acid (c) Yes, Sir. wblch arc undcr consideration. (d) With effect from 28.2.85 the import The Letters of Intent are isc;ued taking duty on parts and components of Wrist into consideration the demand of SSP in the Watches as weU as on horologica! machinery country. The COlt of each pJant of capacity and certain raw materials has been reduced. 66000 TPA SSP & 33000 TPA Sulphuric A statement showiftg comparative rates of Acid i. estimated at around R •. 7 crores at duty before and after 28.2.1985 is attached. STATEMENT DUTY STRUCTURE OF WATCH INDUSTRY Item Old Rate of Duty New Ratc of Duty ------Basic Auxiliary CVD Total Basic Auxiliary CVD Total Reduction A. RAW MATERIALS J, S,S. Flats 1500/0 40% Rs. 330/.. 190% 15% Nil Nil 15% 175% per M.T. 217 Writtell A",wer, SRAVANA 1,1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 218

1: S.S Strips 220% 20% Rs 650/- 240% 15% Nil Nil 15% 225% per. M.T. 3. Horological Brass, Super Alloy Strips, Synthetic Ruby 50% 25% Rs. 5,600/ 75% 15% Nil Nil 15% 60% B. MACHINERY 40% 250/0 Nil 65% 10% 30% Nil 40

[Translation] whether the Department of Posts Sub. Standard Drugs Manufactured has let up complaint cells in different States; in Go,ernment Factories 194. SHRJ VISHNU MODI: Will the (b) whether any such cells have been Minister of CHEMICALS AN D FERTI· set up by the Department of Posts in LIZERS be pleased to state : Madhya Pradesh ; and

(a) whether it is a (act that sub-standard (c) if 80, the name of the places in the drugs manufactured in Government factories State of Madhya Pradesh where such COm­ are beina supplied ; plaint cells have been set up ? THE MINISTER OF STATE OF THE (b) if so, whether Government have MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS conducted any enquiry into the complaints (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) Com­ made in this regard ; plaints Cells, to deal with public complaints (c) if so, the facts wbich came to light expeditiously, already exist in the offices during the enquiry : and of Postmasters General, Rcaional Directors Postal Services, Senior Superintendent/ (d) if not, the reasons therefor? Superintendent of Post Offices/R M.S. and Gazetted Postmasters in the Country. THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS Complaints can also be banded over/ AND FERTILIZERS AND INDUSTRY addressed to any other Post Office. AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI VEERENDRA PATIL) : (a) to (d). Govern­ (b) Yes, Sir. ment', attention has been drawn to a press report captioned 'Sarkari Karkhane Se (c) Complaint Cells are working in the Ghatiya Dava Ki Supply' (Supply of sub­ following offices in Madhya Pradesh: standard medicines from Government (i) Office of the Po&tmaster-GeneraJ, Factory) which was published in the 'Nav­ M.P. Circle, Bhopal, bharat Times' dated the 10th March, 1985. Information in this relard has already been (ii) Offices of Regional Directors of furnished to the Lok Sabha in reply to Postal Services at Raipur and Unstarred Question No. 2223 answered on Indore, the 9th April, 1985. (iii) Offices of Sr. Supdt.!Supdt. of Post Offices at Bhopal, Hoshanaa­ [English] bad, Sagar, Vidisha, ~ Chhattarpur. Setting up of complaint ceUs by depart meat Indore, Indore Mofussil. Gwalior, of Posts io Madhya Pradesb Khandwa, U,Uain; Chhindwara, Guna, Morena, Ratlam, Mandsaur, 195. KUMARI PUSHPA DEVI: Will Sehore, Raipur, DUra, JabaJpur, the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be Bal,hat, Bilaspur, Jagdalpur, pleased '0 stato: Rai.arh. Rewa, Sbahdol. :19 W'rltl.en Answers JULY 23, 1985 W,itt." AIIsw.rs 220

(iv) Offices of Supdt. R.M.S. at (c) if there is no such proposal. the Bhopal, Indore, Raipur and reasons therefor? Jabalpur. THE MINISTER OF STATB OF THE (v) Offices of Postmasters (Gazetted) MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATION (SHRI at Indore, Raipur, Bhopal and RAM N1W AS MIRDHA): Ca) Taraets for Jabalpur. opening of new branch post offices are appro­ ved from year to year by the Planning Com­ Import of components and equipment mission \\-hile approving the annual plan. On for manufacture of Helicopters receipt of the total annual target it is further and Aircraft lIy HAL distributed among various postal Circles based on their requirements and availability 196. PROF. RAMKR1SHNA MORE: of funds. The Postmasters-General further Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased divide tbem into various postal Divisions to state: taking into account the need and state of postal developments. (a) whether the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. is still importing components and (b) and (c). Upgradation of branch post equipment for the manufacture of helicop­ offices into departmental sub office and telS and aircrafts ; and opening of sub offices is not a plan scheme and is done whenever justified according to (b) if so, the steps taken to reduce the departmen~al norms. imports and make the components and equipments indigenously '/ [English]

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE Closure of Uuits Producing Ampifillin (SHRI P.V. NARASIMHA RAO) : (a) and and Erythromycin (b). Mis. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) are producing a variety or aircrafts 198. SHRI RADHAKANTA DIGAL : and helicopters. Both due to technical Will the Mmister of CHEMICALS AND and financial considerations. it is not feasibJe FERTJL1ZERS be pJea&ed to state: to produce within tht: country all the com­ ponents and equipment required for the (a) whether the production units of manufacture of these aircrafts and helicop­ amplciJJin and erythromycin, the vital ters. However, in order to reduce country's antibiotics, are on the verge of closure; dependence on imported components and equipments and save foreign exchange, (b) if so, tbe steps taken by Government HAL have a regular annual indigenisation to save these two vital drug units from prosramme for manufacture of as many cl05ure ; and components and equipment as possible. (c) the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF CHEMICALS [Translation] AND FERTIL1ZERS AND INDUSTRY Openlug of Branch Post Offices in AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI Uttar Pradesh VEERENDRA PATIL): (a) No, Sir. (b) and (c). Do not arise. 197. SHRI MOHD. MAHFOO] ALI KHAN. Will the Minister of COMMUNI­ F"i:x.iD~ of minimum fee for advocate. CATIONS be pleased to state: under legal aid sdleme (a) the number of new branch post 199. SHRI CHINTA MOHAN: Will offices to be opened in Uttar Pradesh during the Minh,ter of LAW AND JUSTICE be tbo current Five Ycar P.lan ; ple~c d to state :

(b) the number of branch post offices (a) whether the legal aid centles are Govctnment propose to open in Btah functioning only in name in most places ; district in Uttar l>radesh and the number of branch post offices proposed to be converted (b) whether GovernQlent propose to into sub POlt offices; and raise the limit of earnios of thoac requirma 221 Writttln A"sw~rs SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Written Answers 222

. aid in view of wide spread and beavy [Translation] inBation ; Amendment of Divorce Laws (c) whetber Government propose to til 201. DR. CHANDRA SHEKHAR minimal fee to advocates undertaking this TRIPATHI : WIll the Minister of LAW job; and AND JUSTICE be pJeased to state:

(d) tbe Dumber of persons benefited (a) whether Government propose to from these services in the country during amend the divorce Jaws; 1984 ? (b) if so the reasons therefor; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (c) tbe main features of the amendment (SHRI H. R. BHARADWAJ) : (a) According proposed to the information furnished by the Com· THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE mittee for implementing Legal Aid Schemes, M1NlSTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE the Legal Aid Centres in some places are (SH RI HR. BHARADWA]) : (a) No, Sir. doing very good work. In some other places, the workIng of the Legal Aid Pro­ \b) and (c). Do Not arise. Iramme is not as effective as it ought to be due to various constraints. [English] (SHRI RAM NIWASH MIRDHA): (a) Sucoession Act in order to give equal shares Yes, Sir. to the daughters at par with SODS ; and (b) Out or 432 District Headquarter. (b) if so, the details thereof? 17 t District Headquarters have been con.. neeted to their respective State Capitals as THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE on 31.3·1985. For remaining District Head.. MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE quarters efforts are being made to link them (SHal H. R. BHARADWAJ): and (b). with their respective State Capitals during No, Sir. The matter requires an indepth the 7th Pltlo period subject t9 availability of ItUd)' boforo aD)' ame~~meDt is pfopoled. roaouroos, 223 Written Answers JULY 23, 1985

(c) to (e). The required information is wbere cement plantl are proposed to be Ht being collected from the field units and will up by public sector? be placed on the table of the House as soon as the same is collected. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ Agreements in the Field of Defence Researcb PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINIS­ TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF 203. SHRI GURUDAS KAMAT : Will MOHAMMAD KHAN) : (a> to (c). Apart the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to from two large cement plants which are state : already in production in Sambhalpur and Sundergarh Districts of Orissa, approvals by way of Industrial Licences/Letters of (a) whether the Government of India Intent/Registration with DGTD have also have entered into an agreement with the been granted for setting up of 8 cement Government of Italy in the field of defence units (including 2 substantial expansion research; proposals and one grinding unit) in tbe (b) if so, the details thereof; Districts of Sundergarh. Sambhalpur, Bo)an­ gir and Koraput of Orissa State, out of Cc) whether similar agreements are which 4 are in Public Sector and 2 each in being considered by Government with other Private and Joint Sector. These schemes advanced countries also ~ and are under various stages of implementation.

(d) if so, the names of those countries? (d) 1, Bargarh, District. SambbaJpur substantia) expansion,

THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI 2. Rourkela, District Sundergarh. P. V. NARASIMHA RAO) : la) Yes, Sir. 3. District. Koraput. (b) The main aim of the agreement is to foster technological co-operation between Prohibition on Combining Official tours two countries in the field of research and by Ministers during Elections development of Defence systl'ms to meet the specific requirement of either or both 205. SHRI AMAL DATTA: Will coun,ries. the Minister of LAW AND JUST(CE be pleased to state : (c) Yes, Sir Such agreement are con- sidered depending on availability of expertise (a) whether the Election Commission in the area of interest. has proposed to Government to prohibit by law the practice of combining official tours (d) U. K. USSR. France, Poland. with electioneering and use of Government mach Inery and personnel by any Minister during elections ; Setting up of Cement Plants in Orissa (b) if so, when; and 204. SHRI RADHAKANTA DJGAL : Will the Mjni~ter of INDUSTRY & COM~ (c) the details of legislative measures PANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: proposed to be undertaken by Government in this regard. {a} the names of the districts in Orissa THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE where cement plants are proposed to be MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE set up ; (SHRT H. R. BHARDWAJ) : (a) Yes, Sir. (b) The steps taken to set uP cement (b) and (c). The Election Commission plants in tho5e districts ; had made such a proposal in the earlier set (c) how many of those cement plants of electoral reforms sent in September, 1982. arc going to be set up by private sector ; ) t has reiterated this proposal aaain in it. and letter dated the lst May, 1985. The recom­ mendations made by the Election commission (d) ,he names of the pJaces in Orisaa are under claminatiGn. 2.2S Wrltl'" Answers SIlAVANA 1,1907 (SAKA) Written An,."" 226

AllegatiODI or Corruption aDd M .... whether it i. a fact that Dllarat year: and Leather Corporation Workers' Union bas (d) wbether Government are considering brou,ht to the notice of tho Indu~try to reconstitute the task force for Ministry serious cases of corruption and system selection of suitable c;'andidates ? mismanaFment in the BLC and al a result thereof tbe Corporation has been losinl THE MINISTER OF STATB IN THE money year after year; and MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND. COM­ (h) if 10 the details in this reaard and PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY steps 10 far takeD in tbe matter 7 OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF MOHAMMAD KHAN): (a) to (c). The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE question of continuance of Self.. employment MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND Scheme for Educated Unemployed Youth COMPANY AFFAIRS AND "IN THE during 1985-86 is under the active considera­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI tion of the Government. A RIF MOHAtv'MAD KHAN> : (a) and (b). The Bharat Leather Corporation Workers' . (d) No, Sir. Union has made various allegations of Scales of Ration Given to Derence corruption and mismanagement against the Offl~ers and JawaDs Management of the Company. Main aUe­ 208. SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA : gat ions are: Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased (i) that the Managing Direc~or. has to state: given gifts far beyond the lImIt of (a) whether two types or ration are his entitlement ; distributed in the defence forces, one meant (ii) that he bas given as a gift a sofa for the officers and the other ror the set worth Rs. 11,440/-to the Com­ Jawans; pany·s Financial Controller. (b) whether everyday Jawans get 90 gms (iii) that the Maosgeme.nt has ~een of meat whereas officers get 300 gm! and disrtgarding the audit observations whether JawsDs are paid Rs 3.50 for spices of Comptroller &: Auditor General in a month while officers are given 600 gms. and local auditors reg non.obser­ spices every month which costs Rs. 90 ; and vance of tcnder p'rocedure. (c) jf so, the criteria laid dowD in this (iv) That the Corporation's office at regard and the justifitation ror $uch NOIDA taken on Rs. J 0,000/. per variations 'I month rent has been lying unoccu­ THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI pied for the last years. 41 Different (v) The premises for its emporium in scales of ration are laid down ror the officers Madras hired in Novemher,1981 and the JawaDS though tbe quality 01 item!l at the rent of Rs. 20.000/. p. m. being supplied to both is same. with a .ecurity deposit or 1.S lakh. (b) and (c). No, Sir. The quantity or was not taken over till January. meat per bead per day authorised fO Jawans 1983. and Officers ill 110 gm~. and 260 gm •• All the allegations made by the Union respectIvely. The condimenfS allowance alainst .the . Corporation are under being paid to a Jawan in lieu of spices is investiption. Ra. 3.90 per month whereas the officer is 8etf'. Employ.eat ScbftDe ,ettiD' spicoa in kind, the COlt bdpg appro­ 207. SHRI PRATAP BHANU ximately RI.9 per month. The different SHAI\MA : Will the Minis~cr of INDUS­ scales 01 ration authorised 10 Officers and TRY AND COMPA~Y ArPJ?AIRS be Jawaal are based OD their food habits aud pleased to I,ate : the DUtdcioa Deeded to perfolm their dud- 227 Written Answers JULY 23, 198, Writtln AltSwm 221

efllclently. Actually tbe Caloric value of (b) Does not apply. ration beiDI li~en to lawans is sliabtJy more thaa that of Officer!. These scales (c) Yes, Sir. Cost or Rs. 4 lath. bal have been laid down in consultation with the been iutimated by the State p. W. D. to hilheat medical authority in the Armed the District Authorities ror tbe constraction Porces. of the above road. (d) Administrative and financial sanction latroductlon of Uaiform Civil Code of the above link road is to be liven by the 209. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHER. District Authorities. JEB: Will tbe MIN1STER OF LAW AND (e) District Administration is beinl JUSTICE be pleased to state whether pursued to issue sanction early. Government are contemplating any steps to introduce uniform Civil Code in vie JI of the recent Supreme Court judgment on tbe [English] question of maintenance to a Muslim Athleftments or Defence Ret.eareta Women in v.blch tbe necessity of such a Laborator'es measure was emphasized ? 211. SHRI.DHARAM PAL SINGH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 'THE MALIK: MINISTRY OF LAW AND JUSTICE (SHRI H. R. BHARADWAJ): No SIr. SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY I The framing of uniform civil code involv( s Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased changes in the personal Jaws applicable to to state: minority communities. It is the policy of the Government not to undertake any (a) whether it is a fact that during the amendments in the personal laws relating to last five years over Rs. 400 crOres have been minority communities unless the initiative spc:nt on 40 laboratories under the control therefor comes from thelflselves of the Defence Research and Development Organisation under his Ministry ; (Translation] (b) whether the relults achieved at these SettlDl up or UHF and Electrooic TeJepbone laboratories are commensurate With the Extb8nge at Pithoragarh (Uttar Pradeflh) resources s~ent on them; 210. SHRI HARISH RAWAT: Will (c) whether Jt is a fact that severt) the ~inister of COMMUNICATIONS be projects have beeD languishing sioce pleased to state : seventies; Written Answets 2~

(a> wbetber it is a fact tbat the cookina transmission sub-system of the Low Leyel P' dealers used to charla a sum 01 Rs. 75/­ Early Warnin, Radar (LOWARD) lor tho for tbe connectinl device in case of D.B.C. ; Army. He was not workins on tbe LPDR. Proj :ct. (b) wh.ther it is a fact that after the introduction of pin type cylinden, that (b) Sbri Y. Ratnakar Rao hal somo . coanectiol device bas become useJels ; knowledge of the transmitter lub-system usinl Klystron. He is one of a aroup of (c) if so, whether the con.umerl can get about twenty scientists. the amount of Rs. 75/- or a little less from tbe dealer after depositing the said device; (c) and (d). It is not known whether Shri Y. Ratnakar Rao has gone abroad and (d) if so, the details in this regard; and accepted any assianment with SML of (e) if not, the reasons tbereof ? California. THE MINISTER OF THE STATB OF (e) Disciplinary action for imposition THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM Tbe is being progressed. A complaint has also pr ice of the tee connector generally varied been Jodge<) with the PoJice authorities in between Rs. SOl· to Rs. 110/- Banlalore vide FIR No. 290/85 dated 18 Jun • 85 for obtaining a passport by surreptitious (b) Yes, Sir. means concealmg the fact of his employment (c) to (e): Since the tee connector il in the Ministry of Defence. fhe case is the consumer's property, the price once paid under investigation. is not refunded. at tbe time of converting the equipment from IF' type to 'SC' valve Supply of Arms/by U.S.A. and Otlaer type of cylinder. Countries to India 214. SHRI B. V. DESAI: MiMing Radar Scientist From Electronics and Radar Development Establishment SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE PATIL: 213. SHRI INDRAJlT GUPTA: SHRI ANANT PRASAD SETHI: SHRI DHARAM PAL SINOH MALIK: Will tbe Minilter or DEFENCE be plea~ed to State: SHRI M. RAGHUMA REDDY: E) was deeply inVOlved his counterparts in tbose countries the defence requirements of India. in the Low-flyinl Radar Project (LFDRJ ; (c) if Whether any agreements in

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RB: ADJOURNMENT MOTION ON MR. SPEAKER: I am not allowing him PROCLAIMING EMERGENCY at all. Do not get agitated. What I am saying [English] is for you and not for anybody else. I say that each subject will be discussed, including (Interruplio1l8) the Gujarat problem which YOU are ment­ tioning. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE (Rajapur): What about the Adjournment ( Interruption.f) Motion, Sir? The que~tion of Adjournment Motion will always get prIority ... MR. SPEAKER: I have allowed a MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed it. question put by you, Prof. Madhu Danadavate. ( Interruptions) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: That MR. SPEAKER: Why do you want to is defferent. The question of Adjournment do like this? I am not hearing anythmg. I Motion ... have not allowed anything. I have not allo­ wed anybody. MR. SPEAKER: There is no question (InterruptiolU) at aU. Not allowed.

MR. SPEAK.ER: I have to make some­ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: On a thing clear to you. Please do not shout. Let point of order. me say something. Please sit down. It ill behoves of you to get up and shout like this MR. SPEAKER: No point of order. when we are here to sort things out among ourselves and when I have assured you of PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I am it time and again. When we met yesterday, raising a point of order about procedure .. you gave me a list; and aU other Members were also there. We are agreed on one MR. SPEAKER: If you want my coope­ principle that, one by one, we will discuss ration, I will give you. each subject which you have given. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Is it ( Interruptions) your ruling that, when you allow a question, SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN that cannot be the subject-matter of (Badagara): What is your response to the Adjournment Motion? There is no rule like Adjournment Motion? that.

MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed any MR. SPBAKER: In fact, I would not Adjournment Motion. There is no basis for have allowed that. Because you insisted, I Adjournment Motion. allowed. There is no factual balis.. I cannot go on like this. He said somethina. You .,id (Interrupt/o",) sometmg. Then it was contradicted. I cannot 80 no like this. MR. SPEAKER: Why don't you let me complete? Mr. Banatwal1a, please take your (Interruptions) seat.

SHRI O.M. BANATWALLA (Ponnani): PR.OF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I am Why don't you allow us to Dlake our sub­ referrina to what you have said. You have missions? said that you are not allowing an Adjourn. ment Motion on Emorgency because you Mil. SPEAKER: I win aDow you. I am have allowed a question .• 'not barring you. Mr. Banat\talla, please take ),our seat. ..~ SPEAICER: Not allowed. 233 Rr. A4/oumnwnt Motion on SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Proclaiming EmsrgellCY 234

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Please (Int~rruptlons) do not violate the rules of procedure. MR. SPEAKER: I am talking only MR. 'SPEAKER: No question at all. about the adjournment motion... There is no basis for it. (Interrupt/oM) SURI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat): Kindly hear US for a minute. MR. SPEAKER: The adjournment motion is out of question. The Prime (lnterruption,)* Minister can reply.

MR. SPEAKER: Nothing is going on PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Let record. me make one thing clear. We told you in the meeting that we will settle the matter SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Now you with the Prime Minister in the House. You will allow us to make some statement. You please don't come in the way. are over-riding everything. MR. SPEAKER: I have not allowed the MR. SPAEKER: There is no question of adjournment motion and the Prime Minister over-riding. can reply.

SURI INDRAJIT GUPTA: You said SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: Mr. Speaker, to Mr. BanatwaJla that you will hear us. Sir .•.

MR. SPEAKER: That is what I am (/nterrupt;ons) saying. You have not listened to me properly. I told you that whatever subject you have SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY (Mahbubnagar): given me I have allowed. Every subject I Mr. Speaker, Sir .. have allowed ... ( InterruptloM) ( /nterruptionl) MR. SPEAKER: PJease sit down •.. What SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: We are is this? You cannot do it. talking about this particular subject. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: He js SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: It is in not proclaiming his innocence. I believe. response to an adjournment notice. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: No question of [Translation] adjournment motion. I have not allowed it ... MR. SPEAKER: I have no remedy for that. (Interruption,) [English] MR. SPEAKER: The Prime Minister is SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: Firstly I am here. If you any clarification, he want will not aware of precisely what they have give you. asked .. ,(In t,rrllptlons) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Yes­ Let me finish •.. terday we told you that we will settle the matter with the Prime Minister in the House. (Inll"fIl1tiOtU) You kindly don't come in the way. That. is what WI request you. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: We want the adjournment motion. The thing is to be THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI RAJIV settled in the House. Before the Prime GANDHI): I have one objection ... Minister speaks, you will .enliabtoo him

-Not recorded. 23S R.: Adjourllme", Motloll Oil JULY 11. t 985 Proclaimi"g E,."g6ffCY 236

[Indraji/ Gupta] THE PRIME MINISTER: Guptaji about what we have asked. He says that he please listen; if you go on speaking like this, never knew what we have asked. when will you listen?

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: This MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. copy of the adjournment motion should have gone to him. That is the procedure... [ElllliSh]

(J 1fterruptlons) SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: I have oDe objection. Mr. Dandavate is a very senior [Translation] Member of the House. He knows the pro­ cedures of the House .. MR. SPEAKER: What is the use of aU this. The entire issue can be sorted out PROF MADHU DANDAVATE: lam calmly. sorry for being senior.

[English] SHRI RAllV GANDHI: It is not your fault. I would just like to point out that he SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: He should would like to settle this matter with the know what we have asked before he replies. Prime Minister in the House keeping the SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: May I tell you Speaker Ottt of it. There is no way anything with your permission, Sir ... (/nterruptiona) can be settled in this House by keepina the May I continue with your permission, Speaker out. Dandavateji? I am not making any state­ ment. I am giving another point. (Interruptions)

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: You If I mi,ht remined the hon. Members should understand what we want. I will on the other side of the House, nothing can read it out. be carried out on the Floor of this House without going through the Speaker. There (J nterruptiolU) is nO direct talk. So, I would like to remind Prof. Dandavate ji that whatever questions SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: May I say one he has to ask he should put it to the Chair wor4 before you read that our? When I and I wiU answer. started speaking, you interrupted. Let me finish speaking. Then you can read that (Interrupt/OM) out ... PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sit. (Interruptions) whatever we want to say to the Prime Minister we are saying to you. I will lead MR. SPEAKER: Hon Members, please it: lit down. "The statement of the Prime Minister in the Press Conference on 7th July, SHRI RAJIY GANDHI: Why don't you 1985 creating an apprehension allow me to finish? about the possibility of proclama­ MR SPEAKER: Please sit down. I am tion of Emeracncy in the country". trying to help him. Let him finish first. Let This is the subject matter. him say what ho wants to say. SHRI RAlIV GANDHI: I will answer (/1fI~rruptionl ) that.

( Translation] (InterrllJJtlo1l8 )*

MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. MR. SPEAKER: Not allowed. Pleate_ Acharyaji, GuPtaji, please sit down...... 1 lit down. Take your 8eat. Be a sensiblo have already explained the position. man • • Not rocordecl 237 .I,: Adjou",,,,,,,t Motion on SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Proc /,,;miIlB Emer.l,ncy 238

SHlU AMAL DATTA (Diamond SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: Not OD your Harbour): Under what rule all this is goin, side. Only across the House. on? SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: But unfortu­ MR. SPEAKER: The Prime Minister Dafely ,Sir, they. are only displaying their has the Floor now. illlorance of what transpired at that Press conference. [Translation J SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Please clarify. Now, what are doing? You are hiahly educated. Please sit down. [Translation]

[English] SHRI RAJIV GANDHI : I shaJl certainty do so, if you would allow me. What are you doing? [English] SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think the hon. Member, Shri Indrajit I was asked a very specific quesion. Gupta has raised the point of settling issues One, whether I thought in the House by shouting. when it was proclaimed in 1975 it was Correct? I said 'yes'. I think it is correct SHRI lNDRAJIT GUPTA: No. and I ~tand by that statement.

SHRI RAlIV GANDHI: He just got up (Tnterruptions) and said it. You were shouting so much tbat you did not hear what you were shout- [Translation] ing. MR. SPEAKER: Now please listen, what is this going on? you have your own SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: What did I views; he has his own views. Wha t is say7 wrong in this?

SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: If I might say, [Translation] Sir. the issues are raised by shouting in this House only from that corner of the House. Why are you shout in~? You have a This side of the House seldom shouts. We right to speak and" so has he. You say don't need to shout. You just have to look what you want to say. at the past twelve minutes to see who was shouting. Whether this side was shouting or (/nterruptloIlS) whether they were shouting. (lnter.ruptions) MR. SPEAKER: All right, you may PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE; Let speak, later on. me correct. Sir, we were not shouting. We were raising our voice. (Interniptions) [English}

SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: If you people SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: Sir, I am stop shouting then I can speak. vory sorry that they can't speak and they are reduced to shouting. SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: When we are not allowed to speak then we are com­ SHRI N.V.N. SOMU (Madras pelled to shout. North): The late Prime Minister, Shrimati had apologised in 1980 .... SHItI RAnV GANDHI: When you do not have the moral authority to speak then (Interruption,) yon are reduced to shcutinat . (TrRll$latfoff; If I might 8~ to tho point, Sir. there .... maa, VOT'1 int,m,., M~Jllb~r' .tttinJ MR, 8PEAKElt : PtClie .it down ns~en '"' ,lit , 1m ..,m", I ' t t " ·~I."r'rl1f'I',,) .. . ",pt.. .' r I If ",' ,) • 239 ~: Acljour"melll Motion on JULY 23, 1985 Proclaiming EfMrlmcy 240

[&,1/1"1 "if conditions similar to those in' 75 were to repeat themselves ...... MR. SPEAKER: Please sit down. This man is not allowed to speak I, will PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: .•. '7S? name you if you do like that. Please sit doft. I am goillS to disallow you. I am SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: That is what ,oing to name you now if you do like this. 1 am saying. Please sit down. [Trans/ation] (Interruptions) * In which language should I speak? In MR. SPEAKER: Why are you shouting Hindi I can say' 75 ...... (/nterruptioM) unnecessarily? I am not going to allow you if you do )ike that. Not allowed. Not aUowed [Englilh} this way. No, you cannot argue like this. Not allowed Not a single word should go SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: Unfortunately, OD record. I cannot speak Marathi or Gujarati.

(Interruptions) * PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: If you speak in Marathi, I will follow. MR. SPEAKER: If you have got the permission and the liberty to have your own SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: I was asked views. the other side has also the liberty "if the conditions repeat themselves would to have their own views. I am not forcing I do the same thing?" My answer was that you to accept their views and I am not it was highly unlikely that any given set forcing them to accept your views. You of conditions can repeat themselves. are welcome to have your views and they But ...... are welcome to have their views. Please [Trans/a/ion] sit down. You are welcome to have your views. But you cannot force anybody. Either you speak or I speak. Please sit down.. and take your seat. You are at liberty to do whatever you like and [English] say whatever You like, but you cannot force others. Please sit down now. They are so used to tutoring each other that they cannot even keep quiet for five SHRI RAJIV GANDHI; Sir, they are minutes. I said that "if conditions do DOW displaying the ignorance of the Englis~ occur that require emergency to be proclai­ language also. I was asked a question and med, I will not hesitate to proclaim an I answered that question. Emergency. " (Interruptions) (Interruptions) SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: We did not go to pu blic school. [Translation]

(Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Please Sit Down. What is all this? Why should you get up SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: When you again and again'l are ready, I. will answer your question.

MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Reddy, please [English] sit down. Nothing aoes on record. I am not allowing you. SHRI RAllV GANDHI : Sir, the hone Meinbers who amended the Constitution by ( InterruptloM)· the 44th Amendment seem to have forlotten what the 44th Amendment was about. SHRI RAlIV GANDHI: The second (Interruptions) I am going to read it out to part of the question I was asked was that you. ) have got the book. open. If you go

.Not redorded .1 .. ~.., Modo" 011 SRAVANA I, 1907 (SAKA) p,.oclalml", E"",.,.,IICY 242

dIrouah the the Article 235, it says very SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: I have Dot laid , ~IY under whftt circumstances Emergency that Prof. Dandavate, Ji. am be proclaimed. It says- PROBe MAQHU DANDAVATE: the is satis. "3$2. (1) If President According to the press report~, he said, be Bed that a grave emergency exists had no objection .... '" (Interruptions). whereby the security of India or of any part of the territory thereof SHR) RAJ1V GANDHI: There is no threatened, whether war is by or need to shout. You are losing your voice. clternal agaression or armed Please calm down and talk. rebellion, he may, by Proclamation, make a declaration to that effect, (Interruptions) etc. etc·"

I want to ask the hone Members which MR. SPEAKER: Why are you settin, Prime Minister of this country will not agitated unnecessarily? declare an emergency under these circums­ PROF MADHU DANDAVATE: I tances. want only to remind the Prime Minister (Interruptions) that what he has read just now does not permit the emergency to be proclaimed even MR.. SPEAKBR: Mr Reddy, you seem if the 1975 situation is recreated. Let it be to be arowin. out of your height. Sit down; very clear. be •• Itill on his les,. SHRJ RAJIV GANDHI : Not only You must learn some basic lessons. Let have the hon. Members not paid attention him finish. to my press conference, they have not been Ji ,tening to what I have been saying now. (Interruptions) I have just said barely two minutes age that it ic; highly unlikely that one set of PROF MADHU DANDAVATE: I am circumstances will ever repeat themselves in ooly seeking a clarification. He has rightly their totality. In my press conference I said read Article 352 as modified by the Forty­ the same thing, I said that one set of circum· Fourth constitutional amendment. Our only stances will not repeat themselves and objection is that even if the situation in 1975 after ., .... (Interruptions) is repeated in 1985, today that si tuation IIlCCOI'ding to this wording cannot allow the You want to say what I said or you Government to proclaim an emergency .... want me to say what I said., ...... ( ""."upllon,) (1 nterruptions). (Tr ..../Gtlon] Prof. Dandavate ji, I think, does Mil. SPEAKER.: AU of you please keep not know how the English language littiD,; you just go on listening. What are translates. I said and I am repeating it; it is JOU doina? very very precise and it is very very clear. The question asked was: "If the conditions in (..,II.rIa) 1975 repeat them'ielves, will you put omer­ gency?" My answer wac:: that conditions One minute. He has read it; he has will not repeat themselves Point one over.,. quoted it verbatim. Please listen to him. (Interruptions). PROF MADHU DANDAVATE: Earlier I am not yielding the floor to the hOD. _ saIcl: "I told the press questioner that if the situation in 1975 is reported, we will Member. .... DO beaitation .... ,. SHRI AMAL DA TTA: All this eQuId MR. .. SPEAKER; ~9, no, he bas not have been simplified by allowing an adjourn­ ..id that. ment motion .. 241 ~: AdjourllllWnI Motio" "" JULY 23. 1915 Procllllmilll EmergellCJl ~44

SHRI RAllV GANDHI : But, then it PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: After would not have been so much fun. emeraency, they have put us in power.

I said conditions of 1975 are Dot likely SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: The ultimate to repeat themselves. Over. I finished one people whom the Prime Minister is respon­ point. Next, I said that if conditions are sible to are the people of India. And the such that an emergeney is required, I wiIJ people of India will decide what they want, not hesitate to have an emeraency. And irrespective of what the hon. member might the conditions arc said here .••.•• feel.

( Interruptions) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I only want to tell you that in 1977 it was decided SHRI RAlIV GANDHI: And if I might by the people. add ... I have not finished and I have not yielded .. ... (Interruptions) SHRI RAlIV GANDHI: And in 19~O. they realised their mistake! Guptaji, I bave not yielded. I want to finish what I am saying now. I would like (Interruptions) to add to that Sir I that the biggest danger to any country is a vacillating Government, MR. SPEAKER: Sit down please. Let a Government that cannot take decisions. us decide this once for ever. Yes please. And that was the type of Government we had when you were sitting on this side. SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: Mr. Speaker, That is why you are afraid to talk about Sir, 1 would like to correct my last sentence. the emergency. lhere is nothing wrong with an emergency if it is applied. when it is (Interruptions) required. The Constitution tells us when it is required. [Trans/alton} PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : Yes, MR. SPEAKER: What is wrODS with it does. you today? Please sit down why do you not SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: The argument control them? that you are raising is not about the [English] emergency. Let me try and get your argu­ ment also right. Your complaint is not with SHRI RAJV GANDHI: I would like to an eJjlergency per St. It ~s with what happ­ just correct tbe last sen1ence that I said. It ened one and a balf years after the emer­ was you that mado the people of India gency was proclaimed and what was done realise their mistake in 1980. by certain officials and certain people. That was the complaint. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: In ]977.

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: No no ••• (Interruptions) (Interruptions) [Translation] SHRI RAllV GANDHI: Let me ask you. If you object to... (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER: Great cry,!'litlle. Wool Please sit down. ..

PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: Sir, we [English] do not hold the pureaucrats responsible for emergency. We hold the former Prime SHRI RAlIV GANDHI: I think the Minister responsible for proclaiming the hon. member Shri Reddy is sayiDJ that the emergency. late Prime Minister said that the emugency would naver be imposed. I am SOllll.II am ( Inte"uptlons) not the late Prime Minister. I am the present Prime Minister.

SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: Sirl jf I might add, they may hold who they like responsl. SHRI S. JAlfAL l\eODY: Definitely, shQ

bIer The people of India put hel' back, said I •• 245 il,: IfdjournlMnl motion Oil SRAVANA I. *907 (SAKA) Proclalm/nl Emergency 246

(Interruptions) are you asking about anything else? (Inter­ ruptions) How can you expect him to break MR. SPEAKER: It is according to the the Constitution? How can you expect a Constitution, what he said. Prime Minister to go out or the Constitu­ tion? (lllte"Uptio1l8) No; it is unthinkable. (/ntfrruptions) (lnterrupllons) SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: I canDot bear what they are saying because you are shout­ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: We ing. agree with what he says. As far as Consti· {Translation] tutional provisions are concerned, there is no difference. But the Prime Minister... MR. SPEAKER: JaipaJji, you are speaking too much today God knows what is wrong (Inte'rul't~ns) with you! Everything has been clarified,

please sit down. MR. SPEAKER: Prof. Dandavate Jit one thing is clear: how can we expect the [E'lglish] Prime Minister to go outside the Constitu­ tion and do something? (Interruptions) It is It is clear. Nothing can be done without all right. He has said it. (Interruptions) the Constitution and he has quoted the I do not understand this. The question is Constitution. That is what it is. It is closed. Why are you running after 19751 simple, it is straight forward and nothing more than that. Sit down. SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: Let me answer. If you keep shouting the same thing, how (Interrupt i01l3) can anybody answer? (Interruptions) This was [Translation} amended in 1978. The Emergency, as it was proclaimed in 1975, was as per the Constitu­ MR. SPEAKER: He has made one point tion in 1975. It was passed in this verY which covers all the points. House. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: At that [English] time ...

c'Under these circumstances ... tI; so simple SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: Of course; you it is. It is all right. cannot pass it in 1985, and proclaim it in 1975, obviously. When do you think it was SHRI RAllV GANDHI: I have said very passed? It was done as per the Constitu-­ clearly, and I would like to add to that: if tion. any Prime Minister of this country who feels tha~ an Emergency is necessary, under these MR. SPEAKEll: That is all right. circumstances, and does not apply the ~ergcncy, he is not fit to be the Prime SHRI RAlIV GANDHI: It was as per Minister of this country. (Inlt"uptions) the Constitution. Then what are you asking about? MR SPEAKER: This is the Constitution now. (Int,rruptions) I do not know what (Interruptions) you are saying.

MR. SPEAKER: Then there is nothing SHRI BHSUDEB ACHARIA rose. wrong. MR SPEAK.ER: Mr Acharia, it is ,highly SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura): improbable-to think. about it. Do you think He is referring to .•. (Interruptiolll) that he will refer back to the 1975 copy of the Constitution-or to this Constitution? MR. SPEAKER: Look here, Mr Acharia (1,."rrllJ'li01l3) It is an absolutoly senseless o~. thing must be clear, viz. that a Primo thins. I cannot understand it. Minister. as Prime Minister cannot 10 out of tho Conttitution. So simplo it il. Wbf Yes, Mr. Prime Ministcq:. 147 .II: Adjournment motion on JULY. 23, 1985

SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIYA rose. MR. SPEAKER: Why ItO 10U &oUI .. him? He is telling you. MR. SPEAKER: It is highly unthinkable hiahly impractical. This is the Con stitution SHRI RAJIY GANDHI: ThiI""', on wbich he has to act. Then what are you I am saying that you are ianoraDt. referring to? Sit down now. This is precisely because you hlYO DOl SHRI RAlIV GANDHI: Sir, Mr. Acharia done your home work; you baw Ilot bas Dot only not ~een my press Conference, checked your facts Prof. Dandavato, IcC .. ho has not only not read the report pro .. finish it and then you can speak. perly •.. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATB: A.t PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE rose. least don't allege ignorance because we haft aU the Press clippings; we have contact.. tile (Tranl/Iltion 1 Press men who had attended your PrM Conference. SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: Dandavateji, please give me a chance. You go on shouting (intlrruptions) and then you expect a reply: you are strange peoplo. SHRI RAJIV GANDHI: If the hOD. members on the other side of the House are [B",Ulh] anergic to the word 'emergency' thea .Il, did you not remove it when you bad amec:l. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I am ed this Constitution in 1978' Why did ,. confirming what you said. Papers have ••• leave it? There is a reason why you bad (Interruptions) left it; because it is necessary; that i, why you have left it. SHill RAllY GANDHI: Let me say some­ thinl. The Press Conference is on record. (interruptlolU) It is OD video tape; it is on audio tape. Anybody can hear it. We will not go by SHRI RAJIV GANDHI; Then why are the out. or-context transcript that you might you allergic to what you have loft ill the be quoting. I have clarified three times just Constitution? now during the last 15 minutes that ... (lnter­ '1IJ'[101ll) you are so much in love with your (In terrupllolll) own voices •.• MR. SPEARER: What is there now! SHRt AMAR ROYPRADHAN: No: Nothing! Look here: You have to be with your voice. pragmatic. Mr. Acharia, let me mate it clear now. You must understand; you an SHIll RAlIV GANDHI: I am telling you very educated people. The Prime Minister precisely what I said. I said: conditions arc has amply clarified that under this CoDttftu· not likely to be in that same form ever again tion which is prevailing in 1985, aD)' emer­ But-because it has nothing to do with gency can come under that; otherwise aot. 1975, because I will think about 1985, 1986 So simple it is. and 1990--if I think conditions are such that an Emeraency is required-here is the (IntlrruptiolU ) Constitution .. (Interruptftms) One second; I PROF. K. K. TEWAR.Y (Buxar) Now have not finished. you permit others to speak. (Interruptions) MR. SPEAKER.: I have aUoweel Yr. [ Tr.,latioll] Gupta. -Dandavate Ji, please let me speak. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: If I may say so, in spite of your unwiU ...... the (.",lIIII] Prime Minister got a cha.ace to ,,-it, OJ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: There the floor of this House s,,~ ,...... " no 4iffcrencc about it. been reported ext011livoJy in eM .,.... That is why we pve this notice because {English] lao is quoted in invert cd commas in the Press aa41t is Dot contradicted. He said. if 1975 SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Would coaditioDS ICe repeated, we will not hesitate ... you pJease ask him to clarify more precise1, I... worried because ... and specifically ... ?

Uk. SPEAltBR: There is nothing to MR. SPEAKER: Nothing can be clarified worry now. more than what he has said.

SHRIINDRAJIT GUPTA: Tomorrow SHRI K. p. UNNIKRISHNAN: That it it may be said that conditions in Punjab and your opinion. Oujarat are beading towards armed rebellion: MR. SPEAKER: No more question there. 0. arms arc beiDg used this subject. I am wholly satisfied with what MR.. SPEAKER: Why are you repeating he has said. Shri Banatwalla. tile saD1C thiDJ DOW? SHRI K.P. UNNIKRISHNAN: You &(0 ( lntBrllpt;Onl) interpreting it.

WI.. SPB~R: I am not allowing you. MR. SPEAKER: I am fully satistlod.

(illlerrl/l}tiolU)·· SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: Why don't you leave it to him? YR.. SPBAKBR: Not allowed. MR. SPEAKER: There is nothing. Thi. (1",.,.,..,10",)·· is the prevailing Constitution. Under tbat, everything is going to be done; notbin. ML SPBAK.BR: There are no condi. outside. dOIll and thero is Qotbiq. (Interruptions) SH~I RAJIV GANDHI: In case, Mr. Gupta. you bave not read the newspaper PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: From this morDiDa. tho stops that we are taking what he has said and what had appeared ia are quite different. tbe Press was wrong.

SBlU INDRAJIT GUPTA: What [Trans/ation] happened this morning? MR. SPEAKER: What further infor1D&­ SHRI RAlIV GANDHI: I will tell you don should he give; should he write it on a • little later.. maybe. We have two arms stamp paper? aGd we shook banda. [English] Mil. SPEAKER: Nr. Banatwalla. I will liateD to 'ou: havo a little patience. Prof. It is on record. Tewary, I will come to you; don't worry; ••0 padeace. (Interruptions)

(/1IImlll'tlolll) SHRI G. M. BANATWALLA: I have given you an adjournment motion aD '_'P. ~. ~ TaWARY: The House is communal violence in Oujarat and. in thil beiD. used by the Opposition liko this. connection I am inviting your attention to Article 3SS of the Constitution. [~) [Translation] NIt. SP$AX8R.: There is nothing Wf'?1\f in. k. It does happen. It is the role MR. SPEAKER: I have allowed him. of ~ ()pp~itioa, Dot yours. He will speak, only then other thiop can 251 R,: AJ./ournment Motion 011 JULY 23, 1985 Papers IAld Proclaiming Emergency

[Mr. Speakar] friends will take the same degree of interest be discussed. I )lave listened to you Banat­ when there are threats to the integrity of the wala Sahib. nation and the security of the country. With , a great sense of horror and shock now we [Eng/bill find that in America regular schools are run for terrorism. Only today we have got quite. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: I had serious reports. given you notice of an adjournment motion on the continuous communal violence in MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Tewary, I. assure Gujarat. Under Article 355 of the Consti­ you, we will discuss it. tution of India ... (lnterruptiQn) PRQF. K.K. TEWARY: I want this to MR. SPEAKER: I have listened to you, be discussed. I have learnt, I have read what you have written to me. MR. SPEAKER: I have already assured you that we will discuss it. Why are you SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA : Presi­ after me? Why do you not sit down? dent's Rule is immediately wanted there. PROF. K K. TEWARY: I want this •.• MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Banatwall I will allow you. You listen to mc. Kindly listen to me. I (Interruptions) have given my full consideration. I have given my attention to what you have given me and I am also very much agitated, as MR. SPEAKER: Why do you not allow you are, about the situation in Gujarat. me to speak? When J have already conceded About what you have referred to me, I am your demand what more do you want now? myself agitated. The land of Gandhiji is I have a lready ass ured you. baving a bloodbath. I do not like it. I disapprove of it. This is a most degenerat­ AN HON MEMBER: Mr. Speake rSir ... ing thing in human nature which I want to (Interruptions) curtail and for that I am going to have a meeting of the B.A.C. at 3.30 p.m. We MR. SPEAKER: I am not going to shall fix.a day for the discussion then. listen now. You come to me, I wiD" listen to you. Now, Papers to be Laid. (Illterruptions) Shri Bhagat. SHRI EBRAHIM SULAIMAN SAlT (Manjeri): One minute please, baving allowed him. I want to say that as Gujarat is burning now President's Rule must be 12,43 hrs. Immposed immediately. (Interruptions) [English]

(Trmrslation] PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

MR. SPEAKER: Sait Sahib, I share your Terrorist aDd Disrupture Acti'Vities sentiments in 10 far as this thing is concern­ (Prevention) Amendment Ordlnaoce, 1915 ed. I re!pect your sentiments. I am equally pained. I have seen that. It has caused me THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN­ intense mental agony to lee how savage the TARY AFFAIRS (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): people have become in a countt)' where I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the lived. Terrorist and Disruptive Activities (Pteven­ tion) Amendment Ordinance. 1985 (No.4 of English] 1985) Hindi and English versions) promulga­ ted by the President on the 5th J~e. 198'. PROF. K.K. TEWARY: Mr. Speaker, under article 123(2) (a) of tho Constitution. Sir. I hope tbat Prof. Dandavate and his (Placed in library. Se. No. LT-1132/8S). 253 P~rl Laid SRAVANA 1. 1901 (SAKA)

Aaoual Report and Review ou the "orkiog a~ddcuh on 13.6.1985 at Roja-Ki-Mandi near of ImalilDdustry Extension Training Institute Agra and on 16.6.1985 at Dr. Radhakrishnan Hyderabad for 1983·84 and Statement for Nagar near RatJam . . delay hi laying these Papers On 13.6.198S. 138 Up Amritsar-Bilaspur THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Chhatisgarh Express bound for Bilaspur MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AND COM­ collided with a goods train bound for Tughla­ PANY AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINIS­ kabad at Raja-Ki-Mandi station. The acci. TRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ARIF dent occured a few minutes after Chhatisgarh MOHAMMAD KHAN): I beg to lay on Express started flom Raja-Ki-Mandi station the table- where it had a scheduled stoppage. As a result of this collision, 40 passengers lost (1) (h A copy of the Annual Report their lives. 15 sustained grievous, J8 simple (Hindi and Englbh versions) of the Small and ~ trivial injuries. The cost of damage Industry Extension Training Institute, to Railway property has been estimated at Hyderabad, for the year 1983 .. 84 along with Rs. 6,30,000/- approximately. Audited Accounts. A Medical Relief Van was immediately (ii) A statement (Hindi and English ru(}hl!d from Agra Cantt which arrived at versions) regarding Review by the Govern­ site with 2 railway doctors and other para" ment on the working of the Small Jndu~try medical staff. Simultaneously, assistance Extension Training Institute, Hyderabad, was sought from Sarojini Naidu Hospital, for the year 1983-84. Dr. Sarkar's Nursing Home and the army authorities for medical aid. Civil, army and (2) A statement (Hindi and Engli'lh railway doctors rendered first aid and rushed versions) showing reasons for deldY ill laying t he injured to local hospitals at Agra. the papers mentioned at (I) above. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-1133/85j. My colleague Shri Madhavarao Scindia alongwith Member Traffic, Railway Board, rushed to the site of accident for overseeing MR. SPEAKER: Shri Vishwanath the relief arrangements. They called on the Pratap Singh. Statement to be made by injured who were admitted in the local Shri . He is not hospitals. Divisional Railway Manager, there. Is Mr. Poojary here? Central Railway. Jhansi alongwith other senior officers including the Medical Super­ Shri Bansi Lal. int~ndent, rushed to the site from Jhansi immediately on being informed about the 11,45 br •• accident. General Manager, Chief Traffic STATEMENT RE: (i) COLLISION Safety Superintendent and the Commissioner OF 1-38 UP AMRITSAR·BILASPUR of Railway Safety, Central Circle, also CHHATISGARH EXPRESS WITH reached the site later from Bombay. DOWN TUGHLAKABAD GOODS TRAIN AT RAJA-KI-MANDI STA­ For relief operations, the Railway TION OF CENTRAL RAILWAY ON Accident Relief Train was sent from Agra 13.6.198S; AND (ii) COLLISION OF A Cantt. Civil authorifies, with the heJp of PRIVATE BUS WITH A GOODS the local residents also gave help in the TRAIN AT A MANNED LEVEL rescue operations. CROSSING GATE BETWEEN DR Ex·gratia-relief was arranged on the spot RADHAKRISHNAN NAGAR AND to the next of kin of those who died and to MORWANI STATIONS OF WESTERN the injured persons. R.AILWAY ON 16.6.1985. An ad·hoc Claims Commissioner is [ Engli.fh] being appointed to decide the claims for compensation in this casco THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (SHRI BANSI LAL): Sir, I deeply regret to The Commi~sioner of Railway Safety, ;lPPrise the House of two unfortunate train Western Circle. functionin8 independently of· 255 St. ,,: Collilion at an JULY 23. 1985 St. r.: Crtllh 0/ Alr""" 211 Exp. Train with a goods train lumbo In # XtIIIlMktl [SA. Bt.m&l Lal] of Dr. RadhakrishoaD Naaar .tati. ADd R.ailways under the Ministry of Civil Avia­ Gateman of the Level Crouiq ba_ .,. tion & Tourism, bas conducted a statutort held responsible for tbe coUiaioo. n.y ._ enquiry into this accident. ,His Preliminary been placed under suspension and PIR baa llepon has since been received. According been lodged '-pinst thom. DJlCipliDary to his Provisional Finding, tbe probable action against them is beiDI initiated, cause of accident was manipulation of the point detection relay without physical veri­ I would like to assure the HoUlO tbal fication at site. The Report is under every possible errort is beiol made to examination. I will like to assure the House minimise the number of train accideou. I that staff responsible for the lapse would be ha ve recently constituted 4 High Level severely taken up. Already 7 employees Safety Teams to carry out inteDSive have been placed under suspension. inspections OD aU Zonal RailwayS. pard_ cularly of those sections which have ...... The other unfortunate accident took incidence or accidents. These tcaJDI .haD place at Dr. Radhakrishnan Nagar at a directly report to the Railway Board al14 manned level crossing on 16.6.1985, when a the action talc en on their report would be private bus collided with a goods train monitored at the hiahest level. resulting in casualties. As a result of the collision, 15 bus passengers lost their lives, 28 sustained grievous injuries and 16 minor 11.51 brI. ltUw'ies. STATEMENT RE: CRASH OF AIR­ Immediately on receipt of the informa­ INDIA JUMBO JET 'KANISHKA' ON tion, Railway Medical Van doctors and para­ 23RD JUNE, 1985 medical staff were rushed to the site of the accident from Ratlam. Railway doctors and [ Translation] other senior officers also left for the site by road. Civil authorities al~o rushed to the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE site and arranged transportation of the MINISTRY OF TOURISM AND CIVIL injured to the local hospital without loss of. AVIATION (SHRI ASHOK GEHLOT): Sir, time. General Manager, Western Railway, an Air Iindia. Boeins 747.237B aireta" and the Chief Traffic Safety Superintendent 'Kaoishka' operatina a scheduled fti,bt. AI. rushed from Bombay.. 182, Montrcal-London-De1hi·Bomba, with 329 persons on board inc1udiDI 22 crew U.4I hrI. members crasbed on 23rd June. 1985 iD the Atlantic Ocean about 185 nautical miles [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the chair] shouthwest of Shannon (ireland) at about My colleague Shri Madhavrao Scindia, 0713 hours GMT, correapoodill8 to about accompanied by Member, Mechanical, 1243 hours 1ST. The aircraft wu cruisJnl at Railway Board, Visited the site of accident a height of about 31,000 feet at that time. and caUed on the injured persons in the hospital. Search and Rescue operatiooa were initiated immediately. No survivors were Ex-gratia payment to the next of kin of found. This was the worst di_ter In the the dead and to the injured persons were history of civil aviation in India. Our hearts arranged. go out in sympathy to the beroovod families.

This accident bas been enquired into On rtceJpt of tho informatJon, action WM by the Commissioner of Railway Safety, immediately initiated in accordance -itb ,be North Eastern Circle. According to his continaency plan for deaUnl witb accideats. findings. the collision took place due to Emerge-Dey Coli, were CODStJluted JI "... the private bus attempting to cross tbe Level bookin. offices at Bombay and Delhi ali. crossing whose gates were kept open to ports. Facilities (or prOYktiDJ iafOQMtloa road traffic in the face of an approaching to all conceallecl wet. made .YaUa~ J toO. traiD. Tb~ t\ssistant Station Master sioceret)' r~t tbe I~~ ~ '" 257 SI. f'I: a'aI" of AI, 111d1a SIlA VANA I, 1907 (BAKA) St. r,: R,po" 0/1116 258 lumbo J,t clCmll,hk~ Natlonal/nllitut,

the relatlyes or the deceased due to any The Government of India have appointed failure on the part or stad' attendilll to a sittinl Judge of Delhi High Court as a enquiries. Court to investiaate into the accident. He would be assisted by five assessers. The A high leyel team led by Secretary, Court ia expected to submit j tl report to Ministry or Tourism and Civil Aviation, the Government by 31st December, J98S. proceeded to London and Cork early in tbe They have started their work. morning of 24th JUlle, 1985 to gather infor­ mation connected with the accident includin I The compensation, in accordance with recovery of wreckage particularly the Black the rules, will be paid expeditiously to the BOx, to supervise reI icC and rescue operations next of kin. and make arrangements for identification and disposal of dead bodies We have initiated a thorough review of securhy arrangements at our airports. I Air India provided free ttransportatlon would like to assure the House that no effort to London/Cork and back to one relaiivc will be spared to ensure the safety of the per famUy. In certain cases, this facility bad travelling public. to be provided to more than one person I must express my sincere gratitude to Free hotel accommodation, food and trans. the Government and people of Ireland for port and also cash allowance was provided a the b umanitariao and material help which to the next of kin who went to Cork in they eltended so spontaneously in tho tragic connection with the crash. A total of 305 hour of need. J am also greatful to tbe persons travelled to Cork for purpose of authorities of all the other countries which identification. assisted us in relief and rescue operations. In all, 131 bodies could be recovered from the sea. Autopsy on all the bodies was completed on the 28th June, 1985 and 12.55 hrs embalming carried out by 29th June, 1985. STATEMENT RE: REPORT OF THE Facilities w~re provided by Air India and NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF PUBLIC Indian Airlines for carriage of the dead FINANCE AND POLICY ON "ASPECTS bodies free of cost to the desdnatrons indica­ OF BLACK ECONOMY IN INDIA." ted by the nettt of kin. 117 bodies have boen identified so far, leaving 14 unidentified The [English] unidentified bodies have been preserved as per the advice of the Irish Corner. These THB MINISTER OF FINANCE AND bodies will be available for visual identifica­ COMMERCE (SHRI VISHWANATH tion till 30th July. 1985. Thereafter suitable PRATAP SINGH): Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, action will be taken for their disposal As the House is aware, the Estimates Com­ mittee of the Seventh Lok Sabha had recom­ Foreign Governments, i.e British, mended in its Ninth Report tbat tbe Govern· American, .Canadian and of course other ment shOUld attempt an estimate of black Irish had activoly participated in the search money for formulating appropriate poJic,es. and rescue operations. A French Cableship Accordingly, the Government entrusted a Leon Thevenian hired by us having a sub­ study of the estimate of extent of unaccoun­ mersible Robot fitted witb the latest equip­ ted income in the country to the NationaJ lDent for location and salyage brouaht out Institute ot Public FiDuDce and Pohcy, in the Cockpit Voice Recorder and the Flight June. 1982. Its terms of reference were as Data R~order also known as the Black BOx, under:- from a depth of more than 6,000 feet Reco .. ver, of these black boxes from such a Ireat (a) to identify the importaot sectors of depth is an unprecedelltad feat in the history the economy in which black money of salvale o~Ntion' of this kind. Both is generated; Recorders have been brouabt fo Iodia for examination anct anaI1.is. which i. under­ (b) to examine the Clutel and condi wa,. No coDol\wlODI caD b. dra. at tbla dODI tbat Itft riM to and/or facflit. .tqe. ... the ....tlOIl or bJack m

[Sh. Vlmwanath PrQlap Singh] "The situation ansina out of the recent (c) to study the methods employed to armed clashes on Assam-Napland . lonerato black money and the border between the Assam Police and channels through which the COD­ the Nagaland Police resulting in heavy cealed income is invested and spent loss of life and property and the in other ways; IIlction taken by the Government in regard thereto." Cd) the methods employed to convert black money into white money. THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI S.B. CHAVAN) : Sir, Unfortunately, (e) to attempt a broad estimate of the between 4th and 6th June 1985 armed cla­ volume of black money generated; shes took place in the Merapani area along and Ass~m-Nagaland border between the Assam Police and the Naga)and Police. (f) to undertake any regional or sectoral surveys that may be required in As the Hon'ble Members are aware, connection with the above.' there has been long-standing territorial The Institute submitted its report in dispute between Assam and Nagaland in March, 1985. The report was released to the connection with the boundary between the Press in June, 1985, for encouraging a public two States as defined in the State of NagaJand debate on the subject so that the consequen­ Act 1962. Govt. of India had taken steps tial suggeetions could be considered for to assist the two State Governments to reach drawing up a "Long Term Fiscal policy". I an amicable settlement of these disputes. am placing a copy (both in Hindi and in In August 1971 an Adviser was appointed in EngUsh versions) or summary of the Re[,)ort the Home Ministry and through his good on the Table of the House. Copies of the offices. four interim agreements were signed Report (In English version and 2 typed by these to State Governments in March copies in Hindi version) have been placed in 1972. The Adviser carried out detailed the Parliament Library. study of the various aspects of the problem and made certain recommendations to the SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Baisrhat): State Governments. Unfortunately, no Sir, copies of this Report may be made agreement could be reached between the two available to those Members who are interest­ State Governments to resolve the dispute on ed in jt. It costs Rs. 100/- if we buy from a permanent basis. The Advi~r demitted outside. office in 1976. Thereafter, from time to time steps were taken by the Central Govern­ SHRt VISHWANATH PRATAPSINGH: ment to advise the t\\O State Governments I will make it available to all the hone to enforce the interim agreements of 1972 Members. in letter and spirit and to continue efforts to resolve the dispute through discussions. 12.S7 brl. Early this year in the month of CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF Februtlty, there was a serious incident in URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE which six labourers working tor Forest Department of Assam were kHled. Certain [English] amount of tension had built up in the area in which the incident had taken place. On Armed Clubel on Alsam-Nagaland Border betweea Alum Pollee aad Nagaland Police 28th March 1985 I held a meeting with the Chief Ministers of Assam and Nagaland at SHRI LALIT MAKEN (South Delhi): I Shillong and stressed the need to resolve the call the attention of the Minister of Home border dispute amicably and to ensure that Affairs to the following matter of urgent clashes on the border do not recur. Both public importance and request that he may tbe Chief Ministers bad assured me that make a statement thereon:- the)' would sort 9ut the issues and ensure SRAVANA t, jJ07 (SAKi) Calling ·AIt.iIM W I

that clashes do not recur. U nfortuna­ As agreed between the two Chief Minis' tely, dispite their assurance, certain degree 0 f ters. the Centr .. l Government arraqed to tension was built up in the Merapani sector move Assam Rifles into the affected area and there was a brief exchanse of fire on 8th June. This force was subsequently between tbe patrols of the two State Govern­ replaced by BSF as proposed by the \ wo ments Police Force on 28th May, 1985. Chief Ministers. Two senior officers of Immediately on receipt of the information the Ministry were immediately despatched about the incident, 1 sent wireless message to make on the spot assessment of the to the two Chief Ministers which was situation and to suggest furtheP measures repeated to the respective Governors ex­ for the maintenance of Jaw and order and pressing my grave concern at the incident also to furn ish a preliminary report into and requesting them to take steps at once to the incident. My colleague Smt. Ram Dulari prevent recurrence of such incident. The Sinha also visited Merapani on 10th June, two sides were asked to end the situation of ) 985. She also held di.cussions with the confrontation which seemed to be prevailing. two -Chief Ministers. The two Chief It was decided to hold a meeting of the Ministers also held a meeting on the same Commissioners and lOPs of the two States date at Merapani and reviewed the steps at Dimapur on 3rd and 4th June, 1985. taken by the two Administrations pursuant. A representative of the Home Ministry was to their agreement at Imphal. I also held asked to join the deliberations and he did discussions with the two Chief Ministers. 80 on 4th June. Unfortunately, it seems Meetings with the Chief Secretaries and that as the meeting was in progress heavy nGPs of the two States were held by the firing broke out between a number of posts Union Home Secretary on 17th and"19th of Assam Police and Nagaland Police June and a number of steps decided upon confronting each other in the Merapani in these meetings to defuse the situation as area. Despite efforts of the Home ~·s also to arrange for speedy rehabilitation of representative, ceasefire could not bP'frfCc­ those affected by the disturbances. ted on the ground. Immediately on receipt of the information, I urged the two Chief These meetings were fo Howed by sub­ Ministers to immediately effect ceasefire, if sequent meetings between Ihe Commissioners possible, visit the border personally and and DIGs of both the State Governments take aU steps to end confrontatioD forth­ on 30th June in the presence of a representa­ with. tive of the Ministry of Home Affairs. On 10th July. Union Home Secretary reviewed the implementation of the various agree­ Following a meeting between the senior ments in a meeting of the two Chi~f Police and Civil officers of the two States Secretaries and senior police officers held at on 6th afternoon, effective ceasetire was Gauhati. enforced from the evening of that date. Next day i.e. on 7th June, the two Chief Ministers As a result of the various steps taken met in the presence of the Governor of the situation at Merapani is fast returning Nap land. They agreed to maintain and to normal. Most of the people who had fully enforce the ceasefire. They also agreed left the area because of the disturbances, to the induction of a neutral rorce and to have gone back to their respective places. restore statMs quo ante by the police forces For purposes of grant of relief and re­ of both the States going back to the positions habilitation, the Central Government· have before the current series of incidents. Both the given an advance of Rs. SO lakhs to the ! Chief Ministers also agreed to continue to State Government of Assam pending assess­ bold talks for a long-term solution to the ment by a Central Team of the quantum of problem of disputed area and to ensure that the Central assistance required. A detailed a perfect uDderstandin. and amity is main­ proposal was y;ecently received from tho tained between the two States. They also State Government aod- a Central Team has save certain directions to their respective been lent to Assam. officials in regard to the posts that had been established· in violadon of tho 1972 In these clashes 28 policeman from qreomeat. Assa~ "n4 6 from Nalaland wero killocl , . 263 Cal/I", Attelllto" JULY 23. 1985 Cm/;ng A.1I_ion 264

[Sh. S.B. ChaYII"j it is not a clash between States but a A number of police personnel were injured. conrlict between tW9 nations, I.e., India and 13 civilians also lost their lives. About Pakistan or India and China. 32,000 people were displaced. In the view of the Contral Government, these clashes The dispute is not fresh, but a long­ between the Police Forces of the two States standing one. The first clash took place in are most unfortunate and distressing. We 1972 in which not only firing took place but are very much concerned that such armed mortars andst enguns were also used. A clashes .ould have taken place at all. We number of persons were killed at that are determined to see that there is no time. repetition of such unfortunate incidents. The Government have decided to appoint a In the year 1979, some people of one of Commission of Inquiry under the Commi­ the States came shouting and attackfd a ssion of Inquiry Act 1952 to fully go into village in which 180 persons were kiUed. . the facts pertaining to these clashes and to After this on 5th and ~th June, 1985 pro­ probe into the conduct of the officials of bably four of our officers were killed by the two States and also to fix the responsi­ them. Instead of r4!solving the matter bility. through talks, under their very nose firing took place on 5th and 6th June and about 3S We are also keen that these long-standing persons were killed and 200 persons were border dispute should be resolved through injured. discussions and consultations. To that end we. are currently holding consultations with After this. as the hon. Home Minister the'Chicf Ministers of the two States with has stated, an agreement was reached on 7th a view to working out a modality townrds June that this firing will be stopped but it finding a permanent solution to the dispute. i~ ~~tcr of surprise that on the 8th June, t~ day, after exactly 24 hours, 150 MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER : We will houses were set on fire and about SO,OOO continue this arter Lunch. people had to flee abondoning their homes. 13.03 bra. Probably the Chief Ministers of concer­ The Lok Sabha then adjourned for ned States were caJled to Delhi and talkS lunch till Fourteen of the Clock. were held. It appeared as if the matter would be resolved and there would not be any further bloodshed, but on 9th July again. The Lok Sabha re·aasembled after three houses were set on fire. Lunch at five minutes past Fourteen 01 the Clock. The most question is who is responsi­ ble ror it? It is very strange, as we have [MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER In t_ Chair] read in the newspapers that the Police of CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER one of the State~ entered 200 meters in­ OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE side the territory of the other State and established a police-post and put up a wire Armed clashes on Assam - NagalaDCI Border fencing there. ' I would like to know who betweeD Asum PoJice and Nagalaad lave them the permission fot, setting up Police-coatd. police post? Did they establish the police­ [TrallJlationj post and put up the wire fenciDI on their own or did some leader, officer or Minister SHRI LALIT MAKBN (South tell them to do so, Who asked them to Delhi) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in set up a police post there. a clash between t. e Nagaland Police and the Assam Police, a number of persons were The Oovenment of the other State, in killed, This is an unusual situation. whose territory the police post was set up, OutwardlY, it does nOt appear to be a instead of taking up the matter with the border dispute between to States but a concerned State, ordered the demolition of conflict between two countries. The way the police post. All these thinas arc the firing was excbanpd there, people were happe:nina in a way as if the people of klUod and bOQl~ '"'" ~urlod. it seems that China had entered our territory and 265 Call;", Atlelltion SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA)

occupied our land and then we threw them it would rather complicate the' situation. In out after inflicting a crushing defeat. this case stern actiOn should be taken against the persons who issued orders 10 There were press reports to the effect that the police to intrude into the territory up officers of one of the States posted at the to 2eo melres and set up a police post border were arrested by the policemen of there and also ordered the killinls, irres­ the other State. This is a strange sjtuation. pective of the fact whether such a person is This situation does not exist on the border a big leader or a high police officer. 1,£ We of India-Pakistan, India- China or India­ try to shield them, then the problem, instead Bangladesh but it is within the country of being SOlved. will become more complj. itself that officers of one State posted at cated. So I demand from Government that the border are arrested by the police of they should be very firm in taking action another State. The question is why this is in this matter. Such officers should not be happening and at whose inc;tance and insti­ allowed to take the Jaw into their hands gation this is taking place and who is and undermine the Constitution. No responsible for it? It is vrey difficult to Government, no State Government, no believe that without the' help and back iog Police officer, and no leader has the right of Government and leaders of that State, to solve boundary dispute with the help the policomen became so bold as to resort of guns. As far as the solution to this to (iring and killiog pet,ple at will. The problem is concerned, I want that Govern­ persons belonging to a particular tribe. ment should, of course, be flexible in its which I do not want to name, arc involved. approach but caseS shOUld be registered I am not prepared to believe that persons against those who are criminals, those who belonging to a particular tribe, without the were involved in murders and bloodshed tbe help of the Police, entered the village, whether he is a leader or a Minister or a set ISO bouses on tire and compelled 50,000 police officer, and they should be put b~hind persons to flee their homes. bars.

Perhaps the possi biJ ity is that some Bef.ides, the hon. Home Minister has persons want to establish their leadership referred to a Commission. Regarding this. by advocating a narrow and parochial out­ I have to say that if solution to the problems look among the people and with this end in is to be found through Commissions, then view. they' want to show that they are very no problem will be Solved. If a Commission brave and that their land is under dispute and is appointed then the Government of they will reoccupy their land. There are 11 NagaIand and Assam will come up with reserve forests on which NagaJand has staked papers to support their case. The people of its claim and another ) 2 thousand kilometres Nagaiand and Assam wilJ also preseit stretch is under di spute. Is it not the case proofs to show that the land belonged to that these persons are shedding the blood them 106 to 200 years ago. This will create of their own countrymen just to show the a situation in which you will not be able to people of their area that they would not solve the problem. yield even an inch of their land? This thing is' happening in a country like India. I do Earlier also, an inquiry was instituted not think that this problem should turn into under the Chairmanship of Mr. Sundaram a dispute; on the contrary this is a funda­ in 1972. The inquiry was completed in about ruontal question which requires serious four years. When Mr. Sundaram Submitted consideration. You must devise some method his inquity report, the Nalalaod Govern· to deal with the criminals who were involved ment refused to accept it. That report was in the bloodshed. There are no two opin­ not published. So, if a C()mmission is ions that Government should hold talks and appointed now and asked to find a solution find out some solution to the problem. But of the problem then it will meet the same the policemen who set the houses of those fate which the Sundaram report met 10 or people OD fire and kiUed them should Dot 12 years ago. If a solution to the problem be spared at any cost. It would be no pertaining to Assam and N agaland is to be solution to let off the criminals OD the plea found, then it can be achieved throuJh that ·~e should be flexible iD our attitude; political ettorts. Por this purpose it i, :167 Calling AII'fltion JULY 2~, 1985 Calli'" Att~ntloll ~8

[SII. Lalit Maken] according to the press reports, thousands of persons are Dot prepared to return to necessary to form a Committee comprising 3 their homes even now. They are too to 4 important persons. The Home Minister scared, They do Dot believe tha.t Government aro can be included in it. The members of the capable of solving the problem. They are not Committee should be such as whose credi­ ready to return even today.J want to know bility is not in doubt and who want to how many persons have not left the relief maintain the unity and integrity of the camps. What is the number of those people country and remain above narrow consi­ who instead of going back to their homes derations. That Committee should try to are residing with their relatives? All people find a political ~olution to the problem after holding talks with GoverLments of Nagaland had not gone to the relief camps. I want to and As&am in the same way as is being done make it clear. Some people were in relief camps and some had been putting up to resolve the Punjab problem. Had the issue of Punjab been handed over to the with their relatives. We arc not prepared to Supreme Court or to some Commission then accept that relief camps have been vacated completely and all the people have gone I can say with authority that the situation back to their homes. We want to know the which is developing now would never have taken place. The Prime Minister, the Home number of persons who had gone back to their homes. Minister and t}\e other officials took interest in the matter and we have reached a stage The third and the last question is whether where the solution of the Punjab tangle the Home Minister proposes to set up a appears to be in sight. The Commission Committ~. In order to solve this problem~ wHl not be able to find a· solution to the a committee should be set up instead of a dispute between Nagaland and Assam which. Commission. consisting of' the Home has been there for two decades and which Minister and other big leaders. And also had resulted in bloodshed, in tbe same way does he propose to solve this issue by as a solution to the Punjab problem is being holding talks with Government and represen .. found. So I want that a Committee shou1d tatives of both the States? be appointed in which tbe Home Mmister '. and three or four other important leaders SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: Mr. Deputy should be included as is being done in Speaker, Sir, I have already stated in my the case of the Punjab problem. It should statement that it is unfortunate that armed bold talks with both the parties to sort out clashes took place between the police forces the problem. It should not have any formal of the two States. It is true that efforts position. should be made by boh the Governments to I would liko to ask two questions from come to an agreement. Every effort has been the hon. Home Minister Firstly, how many made in this regard. In 1972, four agree­ persons were arrested and how maoy pers"'ns ments were concluded and some action was were prosecuted in connection with the initiated on the basis of these agreeements. Due to lack of full information, the hone exchange of fire which took place 00 Sth and 6th June in which about 35 perSOllS Member might have said that the Sundaram were killed'? If this matter is simply referred Commission was an Enquiry Commission to lome Commission, it would mean giving It was not a Commission at all. He was a~ refuae to criminals and living them a hint Adviser. He went there and made investi­ that as we are seeking a political solution, gation into the entire case and assisted the they can kill as many persons as they like. the Home Ministry about how this issuo You can seek a solution to the problem, could be solved. He had gone into the but I would like to know how many persons details of every asp.,cct in Nagaland and involved in the bloodshed were arrested and Assam and had advised both the govern­ the number of persons against whom cases ments to find out an amicable solution. have been registerad under section 302- He exprossed his views about the extent to which be could go, But the recommendations My second questiun is tbat it has been o~ I.uch a committee or officers are nolt mentioned in the report of the hOD. Home ~lndlDg. They can only advise them tha Minister tbat most of the persons who were Instead of rosorting to confrontation a uprooted from their homes and who became peaceful solution may be found He ~1so fofu,oes have returned to tboir homes but, advised them about the help which couJ4 269 Calling Att.ntlon SRAYANA 1, 1907 (S.4K.4) Callillg Attention 270

be provided an this regard. Now there is a Secondlyt a reference has been made little confusion because the commission to about the newspaper report in which it hal which I have referred to is a fact findin. been said that I said two different things commission and it bas not been entrusted during the last two days. But I have got an with the responsi bility of finding a politica authentic report OD the basis of which I can solution, It wi 11 be a fact-finding commission say that out of 32,000 or 32,500 dispJaced only, whose job is to ascertain why a chub persons, about 28,000 or 29,000 person have has taken place between the two States already lone back. It is possible that about particularly when an agreements was reached 2,000 to 3,000 persons are still there. This between the offIcers of the two States that figure includes not only tbe persons living with a view to normalise the situation, firing in the camps but also the persons who had would not be resorted to. I shall ascertain settled there and who are now not there. why firing was resorted to in spite of \his They have been given the guarantee that agreement and which offIcer ordered the rehabilitation work will be completed pro­ firing and on what authority. Unless all perly and every effort will be made to the~e things are enquired into, it will not protect them. In this way rehabilitation work be proper for me to apportion the blame is in progress there. on Nagaland or Assam. I shall make full investigation into it. Mr. Deputy Speaker, I think that this is the information which Sir, through you I would like to alisure the the hon. Member had sought and I have House that after enquiry if we come to mage the position clear on the basis of the know that a particular person, howsoever information available with me. highly placed he may be, is involved in it, SHRI LAL1T MAKEN: Mr. Deputy then proper action will be taken against him. The question of shielding anybody does Speaker, Sir, I had also askcd whether he pro­ not arise at all. Even if any big police poc;es to set up a committee consisting of the officer or any polltica] person i., found Home Minister himself and the other leaders, which may try to find a political solution involved in it, he WIll not be shielded. At present, we are getting conflicting reports after holding talks with both the govern- ments? . from Nagaland and Assam. That is why we are waiting for the report of this fact-finding commission. It is only a fact-finding commi. SHRI S.B. CHAV AN: Mr. Deputy ssion. That is why I feel that no difficulty Speaker, Sir, a political solution is to be is likely to be experienced by it. I am, found. Unle~s both the Governments accept therefore, not in a position to say at this it, nothing will happen, no matter whether stage about the number of persons against the Home Minister is the Chairman of this whom prosecutions were launched in Committee. It will meet the same fate which connection with firing because unless the the Sundaram Committee met. We are report of the fact-finding commission is persuading both the Chief Minislers and are received, the question of initiating action trying to appoint a person acceptable to both against anybody does not arise. of them to bead the commission. We will first ascertain from both of them whether SHRI LALIT MAKEN: I had asked they will accept this findings or not, Aft~r about the number of persons arrested in tbat we shall be able to take a decision in thi s connection. this regard. But the first thing is that both the governments must agree to it. If they do SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: Jf we try to not agree to it, then it is not an easy job tako luch action before getting the report to find out a political solution to this issue. of the commission, then the very purpose of appointing the commission will be defea­ ted. The job of the fact.finding Commission is to ascertain who is prima facie involved MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Dr. A.K. in it and which officer did so and on what Patel. authorIty. Unless .we get this information, we cannot arrest anybody and the question SHRI LALIT MAKBN: Just one small of prOleCution does not arise at all. clarification, Sir. 2'1 Calling Att,ntion 'ULY 23, 198'

MR. DEPUTY SPBAKBR: He has the firing but the actual fijure may be many already replied to so many questions. I havo more. More important tbing is that it i, • to live chance to others also. clasb between the police forces of two consti. tuent States of the same nation. SHRI LALIT MAKEN: This is my last question. Then according to press reports Naga-' land police were alleged to have used 3 "mor­ The Home Minister has said just now tars and other weapons which are usually that unless and until both the Chief Ministers with the military. To the question arises: from and both the Guvernments agree, nobody where did they get these things? If they were can settle this dispute. Suppose they do not brought from outside the country, the matter agree, is the Government going to remain a i'J still more serious. Or did they get them silent spectator and allow the massacre to from the Naga guerillas? This matter shOUld go OD. We want an assurance that if there be thoroughly investigated and effective is again a clash, government will come down steps should be taken. with a heavy hand. About casualties, it is said that 50,000 people were made homeless and 58 people SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: I think I have died. This is very serious and government made the pOistion absolutely clear. I have should take steps to prevent any r~urrence. no mechanism under the present circums­ tances by which we can impose any decision I heard the speech of the hon. Home howsoever powerful the committee we may Minister and I read his reply appoint if they were to arriv.;! at a political have very carefullY. I would like to ask Hon. Home solution if bJth the State Governmen ts were Minister if they had any prior information not agreed. I do not think that the Central about tension mounting up before the clash Government can take this kind of attitude. took place? And if so why steps were not At least I have not given up the hope. I feel taken in time to prevent it. Then about tho quite confident that I will be able to persuade both the Chief Ministers to come to an weapons used, the matter ShOllld be thorou­ agreed solution. ghly investigated and remedial steps taken. I think, it is very high time to solve this DR. A.K. PATEL (Mehsana): Every year dispute. This Commission and other things the month of June is a month of disaster for are not going to solve the probJem. They out country. About a decade ago in the will actually delay. Let the respective Chief month of June emergency was clamped. Last Ministers be called and from the Centre year in the month of June the Blue-star Opera­ higher authority should talk with thom and tion took place. This year in the month of settle the problem as early as possible. June on the 4th the country witnessed a violent clash between the Police forces of SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: Sir. the hon. Nagaland and Assam over Merapani. Member has raised two points. One is about the type of weapons which were used by This border dispute between Assam and both the armed forces-the armed constabu.. Naaaland is a very old problem and Govern .. lary at Nagaland and Assam. Secondly, ment could have solved it very easily because whether the underground insurgents have the ruling party is in power j n both the been responsible for providing them with States. But, I tbink the Centre is not weapons which, in fact, armed police is not prepared to displease anyboby and that is supposed to use. why the problem is pending since long .. (Int,,,uPtio1lS) They only talk of unity but SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Basirhat): do not practise it. BSP has get the weapons.

I would like to draw your attention to SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: Sir. so fat as the fact that the Merapani clash is a very government's information is concerned, serious matter. The loss or property and nothing of the type has happened. Tho arms lives is very hiab. According to official which wore to be provJded to both tbe cons­ apre. '8 people are allesed to ha vo died in tabularies, I do Dot thbik, they have exceed. ' 273 Callillg Attention SRA VANA 1. 1907 (SAKA) Calling .Atlention 274

eel their limit. The arms which were supplied area is diffused. We wore _"prehensive that to them. have been used. There is DO doubt this might lead to a clash. That is why about it. repeatedly-three times-I had requested both the Chief Ministers to come together SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: BSP did not and discuss the issue and see that the whole . ~icipate: thing is diffused. Unfortunately, after the Chief Ministers agreed subsequent events SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: It was the allega­ happened due to which when they were tion in some of the newspapers that some of supposed to meet at Gauhati they were the BSP personnel or even the CRPF unable to meet and they had to meet at personnel were also used by each side which, Imphal. It took about three days to meet at in fact, is not borne out by facts. There ImphaJ and meanwhile this dash took place ,. might be one incident on the side of Assam which is a very unfortunate thing. There is where when Nagas tried to attack CRPF no doubt about it. personal who had their camp there in self.. defence they had to fire but in which ....aCcor­ ding to my information, there was no SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN casualty as such. Thereafter they were asked SINHA (Aurangabad): Sir, I do not want to go out of this area and leave them alone. to make any statement on the subject. My friend, Shri Lalit Maken has given a detailed So, the reports which have been given account on tbis. But I think that this is a that weapons which normally the armed serious matter and a matter of great concern. constabulary is not supposed to use have This is a long standing dispute and it is been used in this confrontation. at least so really unfortunate that we have not been able far as Government's reports are concerned, to solve this dispute. The States have had they are not borne out by the facts but if armed interventions or armed clashes for the Commission is to come to this conclu­ solving this dispute and both these States are si& that the correct report has not been in the Indian union and the Union Mini~tcr given to the Contra I Government then it is a should use his good offices for solving the total1y different matter but as far as my dispute. I find from the statement that the information goes nothing of the type Union Home Minister has been sending happened. them advice from time to time. On the 28th March, the Union Home Minister rang up I am in full agreement that political the Chief Ministers to ensure peace between solution needs to be found of this issue. the two States and no clashes should take This has been going on right from the place. Again on 28th May, he did the same British days. In 1925 part of this was Naga.. thiog. But unfortunately his advice has land bill district. They have been using falJen on deaf cars and it is aU the more definite nomenclature. It was taken away strange and a matter of grent anxiety that from that. Even according to the ] 962 Act when the respresentative of the Home tbis was part of Ass am, So, the Nagas have Ministry was present in a meeting at Dinapur been claiming part of this territory which the actual clashes took place on a war according to 1962 Act does not belong to footing and as my friend. Mr. Lalit Maken Nagaland. The dispute is there. But this is said that mortars and lethal weapons were Dot the method by which any border di~pute used causing casualties on a lcuge scale and can be settled. uprooting a Jarae population of about ~O;OOO. Sir" we had the information on 28th. When I got the information I sent the wire­ Sir, I would like to know from the less messages both to the Chief Ministers of Government wbether the Forest Minister of Nagaland and Assam. Wireless messages were NaBaland had actuaUy made a statement at also sent to the Governors of both the States MokokchUD& ToWll Hidl on 'th June and requesting them to diffuse the tension which taIled upon peopJe to sopport the war effort was building Up and see that amicable solu­ of Napland Goycrnment against Assam. tion is found. Further, if they cannot fjDd If this so, what steps the Government pro­ a political solution then at least see that the poses to take apinst tbcl Forest Miui6ter? tonaioQ whicll was, iq fact, built up ip. tbat Ha, AD)' onqun, beOZl made of the Chief 275 Calling A ltentio1l JULY 23, 1985 Calling Attl7llio1l 276

[Sh. Satyendra Narayan] to the Home Ministry, or his recommenda. tions were not accepted by either of the Minister of the State? Secondly I would Government, and therefore, it was put on like to know whether Nagaiand Police has the shelf and it is gatherin. dust even DOW. captured a number of crates of arms and No solution has been found so far. I qree ammunitions from the Assam Police head­ with the Home Minister that he would talk quarters near the border and that these to the Chief Minister of the two States and crates have not been accounted for. Have ask them to agree on somebody whoso they been passed on to some underground award or decision would be binding on them. elements in Nagaland? I would like to know Such a person should head the mini-States whether any enq uiry or Commission will go Reorganization Commission and make into this question. recommendations as soon as possible, so Then, Sir, as I said this dispute has that this pestering sore could be opened and been going on since 1945. Actually when healed. the clash took place in 1979 in which 59 people lost their lives, the then Janata I endorse the view of my friend that Government took a serious note of the this Commission of Enquiry which has been incident and asked the Chief Ministers of appointed will go into the question and find both the States to resolve the dispute. But out which side had taken the initiative and what happened thereafter? Nothing tangible wbo are the guilty persons, and whether the took place and so far all efforts to bring Government was behind 'this kind of clasbes. the two Chief Ministers together in order All these facts will be brought out by this to settle the dispute have proved futile. ]t IS Commission of Enquiry and proper steps also reported that the Chief Minister of will be taken. The Home Minister has Nagaland is reported to have said that they already assured us that appropriate steps will would not have taken this step if those areas be taken even against high ..ups, if they are had not been occupied by foreigners. It found guilty. I would like to know whether means that the Chief Minisrer of Nagaland a person mutually acceptable to both t~ meant to say that the Assam Chief Minister Chief Ministers to head mini States R~ or the Assam Government had actually organization Commission would be appointed allowed encouraged the Nepalese or refugees to make recommendations for a solution of from neighbouring States to go and occupy this problem. he Forest areas and settle down the-re and tact a~ a buffer State between Nagaland and SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: I would take the Assam State. last item first. and that is about the suages­ tion made by the hon. Member that a mini Mr. Jamir's statement was that he would States Reorganization Commission needs to not have objected if the area had not been I be appointed for finding a solution to tbis occupied for foreigners. Is it a fact that problem. I do not think that any mini Nepalees or refugees from Bangladesh have States Reorganization Commission is' requi .. been encouraged to go and settle down there, red for settling a border dispute between the which has acted as a provocation to the two States, if they are able to come to an Nagaland people? understanding. What concrete steps have been taken to bring about a solution of the dispute? I SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN bave gone through this statement and it SINHA: But it has defied solution. appears that only an advice bas been tendered and so far nothing concrete SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: It bas defied bas emerged and it has not been solution. because everybody would like to possible to produce any visible have a solution in his own way. They are impact on the Chief Ministers. The House always prepared to accept it otherwise, is naturally worried about this que,tion and would not trust only the good offices of SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: All disputes the two Chief Ministers. Therefore, I would are like that. like to know from the Home Minister whether he proposes to appoint a mini SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: If they can States Reorganization Commission 10 settle possibly come to an agreed person, who this border dispute, bcc4lusc Sundaram roport accordiDI to both of them. is impartia. 271 Calling AII,IIt/Oll SkAVANA 1, 190' (SAKA) Calling Attention 218

objective, helpful to both the sides, he will seriously and see that every weapon is try to find a fair and good solution under properly accounted for, whatever it may be. the circumstances. I do not think that the Information has been exchanged between, the problem is so difficult that it is not possible two State Governments and I am sure they for us to find a solution. But at the same are after it. As soon as the information time, personnel of this Commission should becomes availabJe, it should be possible for be agreed to between the two parties. If us to find out whether any of the weapons both the sides were to alree that they will have gone into the hands of the underground accept these recommendations as a kind of Nagas who, as the situation prevails, have award which is binding on both the parties, been creating quite a problem in that area. then there will be no difticulty. Sir, on the border of this Merapani area, If they are prepared to take that decision a mixed population has bccn liviDg there. then of course, there is nothing like it. But The local Assamese people arc there, some we are still discussing with them and I feel tribals are also there, some refugees are also quito confident that we will be able to there and some Muslims have also gone and persuade both the parties to find a person settled there. So, it is a kind of a mixed acceptable to both. population and I do Dot think that any State Sir, a point was made that some Forest Government can possibly say as to what Minister of Naga-Iand seemed to have made kind of population should be 00 their some kind of an instigating statement re.. border, Ultimately. those who have been questing the local people to support the living in tbe area are bound to be there and it cannot be a source of any kind of a police personnel who s~emed to haye been engaged in a warlike situation with the provocation for any of the State Government neighbourins State. I would not like to to justify their action that they must be make any commitment at least at this stage. taking under there circumstances. We have not yet received any report. But Sir, about the Mini States' Reorganisa­ if it is substantiated by any findings, then of tion Commission, as the hone member course, it will be brought to the notice of wanted , I have given the ioformation. I do the Prime Minister and whatever political not think that I should say anything. It is steps are necessary thereafter, they will true that this border problem has been definitely be taken~ At this stage, I would defying solution for the last so many years not like to say anything more on this. and tbat is why it becomes all the more serious. If both the Chief Ministers, both It is true that the N aaaland police has the State Governments were to come to an been able to capture a huge quantity of arma agreement in Bnding a proper third person aDd ammunition. The Assam Police Force aDd give him powers of an arbitrator, I' seemed to have left quite a good quantity of think that will be the best solution under the weapons, ammunition and other thinp which circumstances. But I have still not como to were captured by Nagaland police. We tbat conclusion. I am still discussing with have requested the Assam Government to them and I have to find out whether they give a total list of arms and ammunition are goiog to accept or not accept the re­ which they have left and we havo also commendations of such a Commission. requested the Nagaland police to slve us information as to how much they have been [Tram latlo"J able to recover out of it. A substantial quantity has been recovered and there are SHRI MOHO. MAHFOOJ ALI KHAN some weapons which are stUI to be traced (Etab): Mr. Deputy Spcakcr~ Sir, much and recovered. If they were to fall into the bas been laid in this connection. It is a hands of those under-around Nagas, it is matter 0' regret that despite Congress (I) [not ,oins to create problems for otbers, but Governments at tbe centre imd in Assam and moatly it is going to create problems for Naaaland, thit dispute could not be solved Napland aDd for the country as a whole. so far. To what extent is it true that our That is why, I am specially impressiol upon Armed Forces are fightiDg amODa themselves the Chief Minister of Naaaland that this is a over the internal boundary disputes? Our lOrious matter and that ho has to take it Armed fo"" ,boul4 be used to meot the 2'9 Calling Attentlo" JULY 23. 198$ CaUln, Attentiora 280

[She Mohd. Moh/oo} Ali Khan] immediates teps to be taken is to transfer the persons, suspected to be involved in tbis challenges from Pakistan and China aDd Dot conflict. Seasoned and broad-minded persona for internal matters. People are fighting should be posted there. We have advised there and are resorting to bloodshed. Shri them that this step would be very helpful. Maken has stated just now the number of persons rendered homeless and the fate they SHRI ZAINUL BASHER (Ghazipur): met. It is the weakness of the Central Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, armed clash Government that even a border dispute between two States of any country is a very cannot be settled by the Punjab problem and serious mattf'r. I am pained to note that other issues are still pending. I would like the hon. Minister of Home Affairs is not to know from the hOD. Minister what treating this matter with the seriousness action has been taken against the local 1.0., which it merits. If two States are at war D.I.G. and other officers. The two Forces with each other, if the Police Forces of two are fighting with each other and people are States exchange fire resulting in large scale being killed. You should prevent it. During casualties, then what is tlie responsibilit,}' or the British regime also, the Nagas bad the Central Government? Was the incident behaved like this and excesses were com­ which took place between 4th and 6th June, mitted on the Assamese and they became a sudden development or did the Central homeless. I do not want to say much as Government have any prior information detailed discussion bas already taken place' about it? Did you receive any information here. A Commission was also set up but (rom your intelligence agency that armed to no use. I would like to request the c1a~h could take place between these two Home Minister to find a permanent solution StateS? If the Central Government had to this dispute. No purpose will be served received any such information, what action by appointing a commission. I would like was taken by them to prevent it? If any to know what action has been taken against two Statea decide to sort out matters through the local officers and how this border anned clash, can the Central Government dispute is proposed to be solved. Other resort to armed intervention or not? You disputes are also there. Mr. Maken has could have sent the Central Police there and, rightly said that a Commission should be if need be, the Army could have been set up under the chairmanship of the hone deployed there. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Home Mjnister. The politicians should allo the re!lponsibility of the Central Govern.. be associated with it. ment does not end with simply advising th 0 two Chief Ministers to put an end to tho SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: Mr. Deputy bloodshed and armed conflict. Such an Speaker, Sir, all the points have been incident should not have taken place. If the covered in the reply given by me just now. discontent simmering unnoticed, our Home It is regrettable that the police forces of the Ministry and the Home Minister should two States resorted to such an action against have had prior information about it. If they eacb other over a border dispute. We feel had no such information, then we can say that the action resorted to by them does not that once again, our intelligence agency has behove any uniformed Force. If I.G., failed. n.I.G., D.C. and S.P. are involved in this action, we are appointing a fact-finding The occurrence of such an incident is a commission to go into this matter. It will serious matter. It will not be a good thina make an indepth investigation into the if we happen to read in tomorrow'. news­ matter and fix responsibilities. If wo papers that Assam and Nagaland have onco receive a report to the effect that some again clashed or Punjab and Haryana have officer has exceeded his authority, Govern­ also clashed. We have seen that the Police ment will not hesitate to take action against Forces of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar arc also him. It is another thing that I.G., D.I.O•• ready for confrontation. Fortunately, there D.C. and S.P. of both the areas might be hat not been any exchange of fire so far, directly or indirectly linked with such • but we know that the police forces of both conflict. We have asked the State Govero... the lides are ready to exchanBo fire. What meD ts concerned to transfer theso officers. will happen to t~ intesrity and unity of this Further action will be taken after roceipt of country, if IUch confrontation an4 armed th. report of the CommissioD.· n. c1aehcs are r080rted to? How can the 281 Calling A.tt~,,'lon SRAVANA 1, 1907 (SAKA) Call;n, AlienI/on 28l

integrity and unity of this country be the hone Home Minister propose to set up maintained? such an agency or institution? Such a demand is being made in the country for I, therefore, do not appreciate the step long. of the Home Minister that he has advised both the Chief Ministers and he will call A consensus can be reached with the both of them and will persuade them to opposition parties on this issue and if -all are reach an agreement because such types of of the unanimous view that such an insti­ talks have been going on there for long. It tution can be set up, whose verdict is not a new dispute. It has been there would be final and binding on all, only even during the British regime when some then such matters can be reSOlved. Other­ forest land of Sibsagar and Nowgong districts wise, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am pained of Naglaand was transferred to Assam. It to say that such issues will become further is a longstanding demand of the people of complicated. Nagatand and whenever Naga representatives held talks with the Government of India, The hon. Home Minister has said that they always pleaded for transfer of this forest everybody wants a decision in his favour, land to Nagaland. This matter ha.d been but it is not possible. There must be a hanging for the last 20 to 25 years and it spirit of give and take. Unless a give-and­ could not be solved so far. 1 do not know take policy is followed, such matters cannot how it will be solved now. In ]979 al'io, be resolved. there was an armed conflict between the two States. Prior to that also, an armed conflict Mr. Deputy Seakar, Sir, I do not had taken place and now a conflict has want to make a long speech. I want to taken place for the third time. Nothing can know two things which I had asked earlier be said nOw whether there would be ce curr­ also. Did the hon. Home Minister have ence or not. Such things are developing prior information about it If so, what in other States also. In some States there effective steps were taken to preveDt this is boundary dispute whereas in others there conflict? I feel that merely advising the is the river -water dispute. There is a Chief Ministers not to resort to firin. is dispute between two States on certain other not sufficient, Second1y, I want to know issues also. It is high time that the whether he proposes to set up a permanent Government of India should appoint a in~titutioD, tribunal or commission to deal standing commission or tribunal to hear the with such matters? Even if the Constitu­ States involved and settle boundary disputes tion is to be amended or a separate law is and its decision should be final. to be enacted, a commission should be set up and it Ihould have the powers to hear 15.00 brl. both the States and the Centre and its ver­ dict should be bindiDI on all.

It is now necessary to set up such a 15.03 brs. commission and there is no need to hold bitateral talks as are held between Index [SHRI SH:\RAD DIGHE in :h~ Chair] and Pakistan or between Indi. and China as it is not an international issue. It is an SHRI S.B. CHA VAN : Mr. Chairman, internal issue. This ilsue should not be Sir, first of all I would like to know why allowed to assume such serious proportion and how my friend Shri Zainul Basher has that it may lead to bloodshed. I would. reached the conclusion that the Ministry of therefore, like to know from tbe bon. Home Home Affairs and the Home Minister have Minister whether time has not come for not taken this matter as seriously as it setting up such type of a permanent insti­ should have been taken. They might have tution. Whatever name is given to itt it read my statement which contains replies should be autonomous and it should have to all the questions raised by him. One full powers to hear both the States and the can have one's own views but if he feels Centre and to give final decision which that in the existing circumstances the must be binding on both the State Govern­ Centre should resort to armed intervention ments and the Central ~overnment. Does in a dispute between two Stam, I am Dot 283 Calling Attention JULY 23, 1985 Calling Attlntlon 284

[Sh. S.B. Chavan] The root cause of the dispute is how to dispose of such a large quantity of timber. prepared to make any comment about the How to earn more is the basic cause of the revolutionary suggestion made by him. dispute. Actually, the forest in dispute no SHRI ZAINUL BASHER: You cannot longer exists there as more than half of it remain silent spec;tator when two States has been cut. Attempts are being made resort to armed clash. by both sides to forcibly occupy the vacant land. Vested interests and anti.social SHRI S.B. CHAVAN: After considering elements are behind it. It is not known its implications with a calm and cool mind, how both the Governments got involved in if you feel that this is the proper solution it, otherwise such a situation would not then as per my information, the Central have developed. We do not feel that Government would be compelled to resort such an act behaves either of the two State to armed intervention at several places and Governments. Before saying anything against chances arc that the situation is likely to any State Government, we must at least deteriorate further instead of improVing. get a report about the factual sequence of Therefore, it is also not proper for me to events and then nobody can charge us with live a negative reply to your suggestion. bias against any of the State governments, I. therefore, do not think it proper to express any opinion about it. As I said in the beginning, if it is found prima laci, that any officer has indulged in Secondly, a reference has been made excesses, some big officers are involved. about the failure of I.B. The difficulty is and certain undesirable elements were that the information collected by I.B. brought there by both the sides, which led personal and the sources through which to such a Situation, then we shaH be able to they collect information cannot be disclosed. take some final decision after receiving the If some charges are levelled against them, report. Till that time no such dispute should they cannot defend themselves openly. In be raised. this matter, we had received reports from I.B. and from other officers also and a Except Assam and Nagaland, there are Chjef Minister had repeatedly informed us no other States where such disputes are about it. That is why efforts were made sought to be resolved by the use of armed to bring them together in order to solve police by both the sides. Such a situation the mattei peacefully. If one State resorts should not develop in any State. After to force in oeder to change its boundary, it receipt of the report of the commission, will not be recognised without a consti­ deterrent action will be taken to avoid tutional amendment. recurrence of such a situation in future. Wo In 1979 also, a similar incident took are helpless. Until a report is received, we place. At that time it was said that they are not in a position to say anything were bound to honour the boundary under about the action proposed to be taken in the the Conatitution. If some change is sought matter. to be made, it should be discussed here and both the portion must convince each SHRI ZAINUL BASHER: Is there any other. If your case is strong, persuade the permanent commission? other Chief Minister and convince the Central Government and thereafter we can SliRI S.B. CHAVAN: We are con­ think of what changes should be made. sidering it. Once we set up a standin. Such incidents have taken place between committee, many disputes will arise even Assam and Nagaland three or four times. in the States where there is no disputp at Under the new suggestion a commission present. A demand will be made to refer will be appointed which will go the bottom even those disputes which can be solved of the matter and hishlight its implications throulh mutual talks to the permanent to both t be states. machinery. In this way. this issue will become further complicated. However. the In fact, the anti-social elements in both tho Constitution contains' a provision for inter­ StatCl have cleared all the thick fOICIt., there. .tatc Council. It is thoro but i* has not 285 MDt"" Untili' Ru/, 377 SRAVANA 1, 1907 (StflU) Matt,,, UtUle,. Rut. 377 286 been utilised so far because its implemen­ for the rural homeJess depending upon the tation will create more complications. An local needs of each village. 1987 WOuld be amicable way out will soon be evolved. We celebrated throughout the world as tho bave to find out a solution with honesty and yeat of "Home for the homeJess." There­ dedication. fore, Government should give priority to build houses in the rural areas during the Seventh Plan and approve the scheme there­ IS.11 bra. fore.

CRIMINAL LAW AMENDMBNT (Iv) Collecti,e steps reeded to remove (AMENDING). BILL unemployment in DeIhl.

[Ellllish] SHRI JAI PRAKASH AGARWAL (Chandni Chowk): Mr. Chairman Sir, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the problem of unemployment is OD the MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL AND increase in Delhi. Despite the 20 point TRAINING ADMINISTRATIVE RE.. programme and the facility of loans from FORMS AND PUBLIC GRIEVANCES banks for self-employment, unemployment AND PENSION AND IN THE DEPART.. is increasing at an alarming rate. lhe ad­ MENT OF CULTURE (SHRI K.P. SINGH ministration· introduced many schemes to nEO) : I beg te move for leave to introduce remove unemployment but the targets were 1 Bill further to amend the criminal Law not achieved. 'q It is not only an economic Amendment Act, 1952. problem but a serious human problem also. The rate of increase of unemployment is MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is : mOre than the rate of increase in tLe popu.. "That leave be granted to introduce lation of the city. More employment opportu­ a Bill further to amend the Criminal nities can be provided to students and youths Law Amendment Act, 1952." by setting up transport etc. small· scale, handicrafts and cottagc industries, and deve­ The Motion wa,adopted loping them through the latest techniques. The present system of providing employ­ SHRI K.P. SINGH DEO: I introduce ment is so lax that it does not reach those the Bill. for whom it is meant. The feeling of frustration is increasing among the youth for want of employment which is not good MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 for the further of the country. Therefore, [Translation] effectiv~ steps should be taken to solve thc unemployment problem in the capital. (I) Need for giving high priority to build [English] Hoo_ In rural areas during the Seventh Plan. (iii) Demand for immediate steps for revival of cl_eeI jute units in West PROF. NIRMALA KUMARI SHAKTA.. Bengal WAT (Chittorgarh): Mr. Chairman. Sir, under Rule 377 t I would like to draw SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI the attention of Government to the problem (Howrah): The Textile Minister had assured of the homeless people. the House in the previous session during a caU Attention Motion that the closed jute A welfare State should guarantee food, units and sick units of Bengal would get his clothinl and housing to each one of its sincere attention for revival but none of citizens. A good number of the 70 crore closed units have been re.. opened so far. people of tbe country homeless. Govern .. ment should set-up Rural Housing Boards Raw jute has started arriving in the in rUJal areas in each State to solve the market. Neither Mill owner. arc purchasing problem.. The Board should build houses jute nor leI is showing any interest in

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[Sh.Prlya Ra"jan Das Munsl] be out of place to mention that norms fixed by the Government for setting up T.V. purchasing jute vigorously, resulting in over.. Centre are applicable here. I therefore. all frustration in the economy of West want the Government to set up the proposed Bengal. T. V. Centre as early as possible for the Unless import of HDP is discouraged or benefit of the labourers and people living a strict control is maintained to eliminate its there. purchases, the jute industry will collapse. (v) Need to take urgent steps for improv­ ing infrastructural facilities '0 promote Textile Minister should take urgen t steps tourism at Konark, Puri etc. in Orissa involving the Ministry of Finance, Govern­ ment of West Bengal. Government of" SHRI DRAJAMOHAN MOHANTY Assam and the Government of Tripura, to (Puri): In Orissa, the most attractive centres take a pragmatic view on the maximum price for international and national tourists arc of raw jute, widen jute purchasing infrastru­ Puri, Konark, Bhubaneswar and Chilika cture of Jel, maximum price of finished Lake. To promote tourism in Orissa. goods, financial support of the public infrastructural facilities need to be developed financial institutions, negotiation with trade The following projects may be immediately unions about the superannuated people taken up:- and tho HDP production control etc, Marine drive road needs to be built up The jute industry owners have been from Harichandi to Ramachandi by the side taking the cream from the jute units and of the beach which passes through Konark investing" it in other industries for more and Puri. Now from Ramachandi some profit without investing anything back into work has been done up to Balighai and the jute units for modernisation or improv­ another 11 miles are to be built up from ing the health of existing units. Balighai to Puri, and this marine drive road is to be extended up to Harichandi, 10 to 12 If jute industry dies in Bengal, half of miles from Puri. Once this is built up, the the eastern India's economy will be paralysed. site will be morc attractive, inviting more It will strike our economy with severe tourist traffic. Konark also needs to be problem of unemployment and poverty both developed with inrrastructural facilities. in rural and urban sectors. Goods hotels are needed at Konark to accommodate foreign tourists. At Puri, the Jute should not be allowed to die like town itself needs to be cleaned up and the indigo. Therefore, Government should drainage system to be provided and roads to immediately consider as a first course revival be brought to modern standard. Water supply of this industry and as a second course to of Puri town needs improvement. For take few units under NJMC and, as the maintenance of Puri Temple, more effective final course. total nationalisation of the steps are needed. At Harichandi, some industry. guest.houses type accommodation is needed (iv) Need to expedite the proposed T.V. to be built up. Centre at Singrabli (M P.) Chilika Lake needs more attention to SHRI RAM PYARE PANIKA (Roberts­ make it more attractive. A bird sanctuary ganj): It is a matter of great concern that is very much necessary there. The boating in spite of categorical assurances given by travel inside the lake for tourists with the Government. T.V. Centre has not been luxurious accommodation bas not yet been opened at Singroli in Madhya Pradesh to developed. Road condition around Chilika benefit the workers of the industrial belt of needs improvement. district Sidhi in Madhya Pradesh and Mirza­ pur in Uttar Pradesh. So, there is great [Translation] di.contentment amonJ workers aDd the tribal (vi) Neec1 tn Rive the status of Rellona) people living thore. It has been brought to Office to Meterologlcal Centre, Bbopal. the notice that the machinery earmarked for above said proposed centre has been sent SHRI K.N. PRADHAN (Bhopal): Mr. somewhere else resulting in Don-Installation Chairman. Sir, the Meteoroloaical Ceotre at Df the T.V. Ceutre in time. It would Dot Bhopal has been a victim of administrativo 289 MatIns Under .&lIe 371 SR.AVANA I, 1901 (SAg.... ) Matterl Clnd" Rule J77 290

wranalinas for the last several years as it violence and discord riot only communal but hal not been granted the status of a Reaional inter-caste divining ODe human from the Office till now, though the matter of Ihinio, other. There is need for applying the healing the oftlce from Nagpur to Bhopal has been touch faiHng which for upholding the unity, under consideration for the past many years. integrity and honour of the Constitution, all possible corrective steps are needed to pro­ The Regional Office was to be shifted tect the innocent victims of weaker sections immediately after re-organisation of new and community. ~adhya Pradesh in 1956 and after Bhopal was made the capital of the State, but it has (viii) Unsafe living in coal mine areas of not been done till now, thereby ignoring the Rani Ganj CoalfUeds national interests.

Madhya I>radesh is the largest State in the SHRI BASUDEB ACHARIA (Bankura): country, areawi~e. The percentage of irrigated The cOltl mines. areas of Raniganj coalfields Jand is rar less than the national average. are facing the 4anger of su bsidence, gas, The farmers have to depend on rains. There fire hazards etc. There are six active fire are 50 research laboratories in the 4S districts areas eight highly gassy mines and 34 of the State which transmit meteorological dangerous and unsare residential locations data to the Centre at Bhopal, but all of them apart from 43 subsidence areas in Raniganj are under the administrative control of the coal fields, which extends oyer 1550 square Regional Office at Nagpur, though the kilometres and is inhabited by J 5 to 20 NaiPur Centre collects data from 8 districts million people. The whole area is now only. The statistics regarding meteorology facing a serious crisis due to absence of are needed not only for formulating new scientific minIng and demographic and schemes but also by the Departments of development al planning. The problem is Environment, Agriculture, Revenue of the aggravated by slaughter mining practi~cd by State besides the Central Agricultural erstwhile private mine owners. But the Engineering Institute and the Public Health scientific mi~ing that was promised at the Department, which are not available at the time or nationalisation of coal mines is still Centre at Bhopal. 8 distinct dream. The methods of mining which arc being practised at present are not There are five Airports iD Madhya able to tackle tbe problem. On the contrary, Pradesh where too the meteorological infor­ they only aggravate it further. Further mation is required. because of failure to share up the tunnels with sand and sank packing-the mines are The Prime Minister, realising the impor­ subject to subsiding. During two centuries tance of meteorological information, has, in of coal mining in the area, the agriculture a bid to modernise the Indian Meteorologi­ has totally faded out of existence, stagnation cal Department, amalagamated it with the has become a hall-mark of indu'\trial activi­ Department of Science and Technology. ties. and ecological disturbances have seriously harmed the environment of existing Therefore, the Bhopal Meteorological area. Centre should be immediately given the statlls of a Regional Office so that a big State like Madhya Pradesh may have the Whatever mine development has been full benefit of the Meteorological data. undertaken by the Ea~tem Coalfired Ltd. is not yet synchronised with the development plans of the Government of West Bengal. The result is an inordinate delay in extrac­ (vII) Measure. needed to projrct and safe­ tion of coals, delay in completion and guard Innocent people of minority suffering to the people. No other economic Commonityln Gujara. or industrial activities are beiDa alIowed by the Ealtern Coalfield Ltd., in the area. The DR. O. VIJAyA RAMA RAO C.M.P.D.I. does Dot allow oompletion of (Siddi1)et): Qujarat, the birth plaoe of now roads etc. on coal. bearing land. Surface Gandhi the oq_mpjpn of peace aud oom- IOit la, therefore, simply vaofahin, wi~ "\l J'lUQal blrmoqy, ~! ~~~, wra~p04 "P m pralp'" qt ftlllll til. vOI~. ' »1 State Finance Corp. JULY 23. t985 (Amdl.) Bill ~2

[Sh. Basutkb Acharla] The underlying objectives and reaSODa for bringing this legislation before this August I urge upon the Government to look into House have been set out in the Statement of the matter so that the area is freed as much Objects and Reasons appended to the Bill. as possible from the dangers of unsafe It is, at once, evident from the Statement of living. Objects and Reasons that the Bill before you is a progressive piece of legislation aimed at 15.24 brl. accelerating the developmental activities of the State Financial Corporations. It will be STATE FINANCIAL CORPORATIONS accepted by one and all in this House that (AMENDMENT) BILL there is indeed a case for strengthening the capital base of these State Level Institutions [B"glish} and enabling them to auaument their resou­ rces. Quite a few of' the amendments propos­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ed in the arise from thi ~ objective. MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI Bill JANARDHANA POOJARY): Sir, on behalf or Shri Visbwanath Pratap Singh. I bag to The definition of an 'industrial concern' move: which may be assisted by an SFC is being expanded in the light of experience. Trans­ caThat the Bill further to amend the port of goods and passengers by rope-way State Financial Corporations Act, or lift would be incJuded in the definition sO 1951, be taken into consideration'. that these modes of transport which cater As this august House is aware the State mainly to the hiJIv areas can receive assist­ Financial Corporations-SFCs-which were ance from the spes. The definition would conceived as Regional Deve)opment Banks also include development, of mining. provi­ constitute an important and integral part of sion of wiegb bridge facilities, development the structure of development financing of industrial areas as also research and deve­ institutions in India. These Corporations lopment activities relatina to the specified contribute significantly to tho growth of industrial concerns. small and medium industries in the country The efforts of SFes towards nurturing the The most welcome proposal from the development of small and medium scate point of view of the sman and medium scale industrial units is part of the broad strategy industrial units would doubtless be the towards· dispersal of economic prosperity, enhancement of the barrowing limits. The areater employment generation and bal.lnced existing financing limits have Jost their resional development. The network of spes relevance in the face of all. round cost in the country covers all the States and escalations. At present, an SFC can extend Union territories. assistance only to the extent of Rs. 15 lakhs In the light of the experience gained to a partnership firm and 30 lakhs to com­ since the SFes become operative, it has panies and cooperative societies. These become necessary to effect certain amend­ limits are being doubled to 30 lakhs and 60 ments to the statute so as to remove certain lakh!l respectively with an enabling provision restrictions which were necessary in the that the Industrial Development Bank of begininl while the SFCs were in their infant India could increase these limits upto four stages and which have little relevance now. times. in either case. The spes under the The amendments which we arc now propos­ present statute cannot assist an industrial ing aim at removing the reitrictive provi­ concern with aaregate of paid.up share sions so as to provide operational flexibility capital and reserves in excess of Rupees one to the spes for functioning as developmental crore. This limit rather restricts the scope aaencics. The amendments also seek to of financing of industrial concerns by tho enable the SPCs to raise tho maximum spes. Wo are, therefore. propostnl to amount of resources consistent with normal enhance the limit to Rupees three crores 011 financial prudence in order to help the spes such hlgber limit upto Rupees thirty orores, to cope with the increasing demands pn tht; aa tho Central Government rqay. by n~fica.. rwg,,~ at ~h,ir df.p().al, ' ,Ion. 'pcci!)" • ... I SRAVANA 1, 19o' (SAK.4) (A",Jt.) .8/1/ 294

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: (Mahbub. timely recovery of its dues. With this objee­ naaar): Sir. I rise on a point of order. The tive in view, are proposing a procedure for hon Minister must make a speech. He recovery of dues of the SFCs u arrean caonot read a statement here. of land revenue. 00 the whole, the proposed amendments are necessary to make tho SPCs MR. CHAIRMAN: The Minister is allo­ effective instrument of regional development. wed to read the speech. I earnestly hope that these proposals, whole­ SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: I some as they are, would recei"e the IUpport will reply also to the points made. of all sections of this House.

MR. CHAIRMAN: There is no point of With theses rem~rks. Sir, I commend tbe order. BiJI for Consideration by the House.

SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Sir, he i. MR. CHAIRMAN: Motion moved: supposed to live a reply and he cannot read "That the Bill further to amend the a statement. What is the legal position State Financial Corporations Act, SIf.· ? ' 1951, be taken into consideration". MR. CHAIRMAN: It is allowed. The Now, Shri Madhav Reddi may speak. Minister is alJowed to read the speech. There is no point of order. SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI (Adilabad): SHRI JANARDHANA POOJARY: Mr. Chairman, Sir. I rise -to support this Thcso amendments together with the amend­ Bill which has been brought forward to ments enabling the SFCs to acquire any amend the State Financial CorporatioDs instrument relating to loans and advances Act, 19SI. I agree that the Government by any notified financial institution would realised that there is need for changing this enable the SFes to join in the Participation Act to make this project-oriented finance Certificate Scheme now operated by the A11- instead of security-oriented approach which India financial institutions. This scheme has been there all these 30 years. It was in beiDI a single window saDction and disburse­ 1951 that this Act was enacted. Since then ment mechanism, would help in reducing the financial corporations in the Statea have delays in sanctions and disbursements and been doing very good work, but there eliminate avoidable documentation work. certain loopholes, (ertain lacunae. which had to be rectified and the Government waited I am glad to convey to you that we arc for 30 years to amend this Act though tbere proposing amendments wllich would make a had been a demand from all the States that beginning towards shifting the approach of the Act should be modified. the SFCs from being security-oriented to one or being project.oriented. Coming to the question of security t I feel that even without this amendment, the It is, in my opinion, a bold and innova­ security approach should have been given tive step that would allow the SPCs to up a long time ago. When we talk of secur­ ~,ant loans which may not be fuJly secured ity, We should also realise that all these if the exigencies of timely assistance warrant corporation loans arc covered by various the grant of such assistance. By tbis, the other schemes such as the credit guarantee spes would be able to provide bridge loans scheme, for all the loans given to the small which may belp in preventinl project scale industries are automatically covered slippages. by credit guarantees. Then the entire loan comes from the refinancing a&encia like We are availin. ot opporunity to provide the IDBI. So, there should be no hesitation more teetb to the spes to recover their for the financial corporatioDs to finance the duel from the errant borrowing concerns who small scale industries or medium scale indus­ may default in payment of their dues to the tries and now, we feel that many of these SPCs. ADY developmental Bnudal institu­ corporations are so much security oriented tion would have to fecydo its fund. throup that they take months and monta to ,ro- 29S Siale Finance Corp. JULY 2~, 1985 (Amdt.) Bill 296

[Sh. C. Madhav Reddi] of the Government and regulate the indus· trial growth. They have been inte.rferina ~ss the applications and then, when the and regulating these policies and the applicatio!lS are processed and when Government has been keeping quiet with the sanctions arc given, almost all sanctions the result that they have gone too far. So are subject to refinance. Then the appli. much so that several projects for which cations are sent to lOBI for san ction of licence~ have been given by the Government refianace. The processing takes 3·4 months or the registrations were given by the here and then the papers go to the IDBI, D.G.T.D., have been refused by the financial from there they go to the Regional institutions when the proposals went to Office and then to the the Head them for 10an4;, on the ground that there Office. There it will take six months is excess capacity. I have no objection if it to one year. By the time refinancmg is rejected on the gro und that it is not a is agreed upon by the lOBI it is more than viable project or the promoter is not proper a year and the party loses its interest in the or the local is not good. There was none project. When I mean to say is that when of these grounds. The only ground given by you have created these btatutory cor­ them for rejection is, there is already excess porations, they have all the expertise capacity. How do they say that excess at their command and they process capacity has been created? If at all there is the applications. So, where is toe need any excess capacity, it is the duty of these again for the lOBI to take tbat mucn time institutions to bring this matter to the for agreeing for refinance. notice of the Government and suggest some steps If a particular line of production is In this connection, r would also like to more congested, then the Government can mention that many of these financial have your reservation and refuse to give institutions are becoming more and more licence. Here, licensing and regulation is a part of the Government. A lot of govern­ exclusively the function of the Ministry of ment,,1 functions are being taken oyer by IndustTy. Today I can give you hundreds these institutions. This is not the intention of examples in which these regulations have of the Government because. when the lOBI been dictated by the financial institutions or the financial corporations were incor­ simply because they are in a position to porated, we never thought that they would dispense with the power to finance. This is acquire such a great status as they would matter which is be looked into and try to (iictate the policies to the Central a to the Government is to see that these finan­ Governmen t. cial institutions function within the limits The regulatory function is that of the prescribed for them. Ministry of Industrial Development. You go on giving the poliey guidelines to the I am very happy that the limit of States and to the various agencies. Within borowing has been increased for these policy guidelines, these financial the financial corporations when they institutions are supposed to work. But what borrow money from the Reserve Bank of is happening today? If the financial insti· India. Earlier, they would borrow money tutions and the IDBI want to discourage a only up to 900/0 of their paid-up capital. particular line of production, they simply Now, it has been increased tq. 200%. Simi. refuse to advance the loan stating that larly, they have been given an opportunity enough capacity has already been created to raise funds by resortins to deposit in the particular industry. How do they know mobilisation or issuing bonds or debentures. that? Of courso, they are the financinl Under the present Act, the Governmental agencies and they have some financial guarantee is necessary and many State expertise. They may have peiked up some Governments were afraid of giving guarantee technical knowledge here and there whea to the debentures raised by the fjnancial insti­ they deal with the subject. But do they tutions, with the result they did not even try have that much expertise which the Govern­ to raise their funds py issuing debentures . .It ment or the Industries Deportment or the is very good that their statute has been Director General, Technical Development increased, They are more popular with the il bavins? Why should they take tbe function people. They can let the funds as thoy aro 297 Slate F"nance Corp. SRAVANA I, 1907 (SAKA) (AmJl.) Bill 298

managing the affairs very well. They are in a Lastly, I wish to have a more dynamic position to go to the public to raise finances amendment to be introduced which is gains by means of issuing debentures etc. This is a to make them really instruments of indus­ very Vtelcome amendment and I fully trial development in the country. That has 'suppc rt this amendrnert. Through this not been thought of so far but I would like amendment, their resources would be that for the loans which are being sanctioned augmented. by aU these financial institutions, there should be an automatic credit guarantee The authorised capital of the Corpo­ given not by the Government but by a ration has been incceesed from Rs. 10 third agency. This is being done in Japan. crores to Rc;. SO crores. Thjs is aJso a very We might have copied it from Japan. But welcome measure because Rs. SO crores wbile copying it, we have taken the form limit may go up to 100 crores also. Rs. 100 of it but the spirit is lost. There, the guar­ crores also with the permission of the antees provided by the promoting agencies, Government. The limit of paid·up capital pc ivate agencies. These agencies pool the bas also been increased. But one thing resources and give the guarantees and cbarae which I am not able to understand is about guarantee commission and the financial the recovery. Now, we are gi\dng powers institutions do not take any responsibility to them to collect the recovery under the at all. The entire processing is done by Land Revenue Recovery Act. I doubt these private agencies and once the whether this is necessary at all What is the private agency gives that guarantee. present experience? Is it not possible for then 1here is no question of refusing them to recover the loans as the loans are finance, tJecaus:: once these private secured loans? They do not give any unse­ agencies take the full responsibility, finance cured loans. Then, why should they have is given automatically; because if the indus­ the power of the Government to go and try fails. the private institution will suffer collect the arrears as land revenue recovery? not the Corporation, If that type of facility There is one more amendment dealing with is there in India, it will go a Jong way in the recovery or loan arrears. The amendment promoting industries on a very unlJmited say. that the loan instalments of financial scale. Today we know that one of our Corporations can in future be collected as financial corporations. the Andbra Pradesh arrears of land Revenue under Revenue Financial Corporation, is number one in Recovery Act. the country. But I know this has functioned like a bank. It is very easy. Banks always Well, I do not mind if the State _make profits. No bank is suffering on that Governments agree to it but, I am afraid. account. This security oriented approach many State Governments might not agree is so much embedded in their system that because it will put a strain on their own unless you break the system, I am afraid. in administrative resources and they have to of giving the guarantee collect their Own arrears and together with spite credit facilities or the re-financing faciIlies, these institutions this tbey have to collect the arrears of the are to continue to function in the State Financial Corporations and tomorrow likely same old fashion as if they are meant only the banks also might colTle forward and say to give loans and to recover. "Why should you not give the same power as you have given to financial corporation? [Translation J After aU, we are also financing the small­ scale industries." You may consider that DR. O.S. RAJHANS (Jhanjharpur): also, Ultimately, the pressure on the State Mr. chairman Sir, 'he State Financial Government machinery is soi nB to be Corporations Act was enacted in 1951 increased day by day. I know that once with the sole objective of providing acid to this is done, it will be easier for you to ~he small-scale ind ustries and the medium recover loans because some of the States scale industries, the reason being that the have done it already I do not know how commercial banks did not want to block they did this but in some States, some their mO:2cy in these industries ror a long Corporations are collecting the arrears as time. As a .result, the. small industrialists arrears' of land revenue. and tho.. technician aDd cnsineers who 299 Siale Finance Corp. JULY 23, J985 (Amtit.) bill 300

[She G.S. RtljhansJ A survey should be conducted of aU the 18 corporations and either the Reserve Bank tried to set up their own units did not lot should be asked to report on them .or a funds to do so. they asked for help from Parliamentary Committee should be consti­ friends and relations whatever best they tuted which may look into the working of could do they did. At last, disappointed, these corpora tions. What is the they approached the banks. But they did reason why many of the units which were financed not get funds from tbem too. Then Govern­ by the financial corporations became Sick ment realised the need for State financial Corporations to help tbese people. Govern­ and what steps have been taken to improve the siluation ment deserve congratulations for tbe ? amendment it has brought but I would like to raise two or three points in this I would congratulate Government for regard. allowing the FlOancial Corporatinos to raise fands whether through deposits or throuah Thouah the Reserve Bank may be debentures. Prior to this, it was not exercising control over the State Financial possible tm the Financial Corporations were CorPQrations, yet very few people know authorised by the State Government. Now the inside story. I would like to draw the Financial corporation would themselves your attention to Bihar. The people have look after it. The limit of raIsing funds to face numerous difficulties in getting loans has a) so been increased considerably. I sanctioned from the State Financial cor­ would read out from the text of the Bill the porations. There is no end to it what il major change that is proposed by Govern· true of Bihar may be true of other places ment which is a welcome step: also. I would like to say two things, One is that neither the politicians nor the (Eng/ish] lAS officers should be made Chairmen or Managil'1 g Directors of these corporations "It is proposed to change the present because they have an inddJerent attitude securitY-Oriented approach of the Financial towards them. The polIticians want T A Corporation to project-oriented approacb. and other perks along with an arena for This wilt enable the Financia) Corporations politicking irrespective of the party to to grant loans, like bri.dge loans, which arc which he belongs. The I.A S. offIcer is not fully secured." least bothered whether the industries get finance or not because he is not to stay in the [Tran.ti atio" ] Department for long. H is my practical experience and I would An hone member had rightly said that request Government to appoint professional this should have been much earlier. managers at these places and if their per. The other financial institutions especially formance is not found satisfactory, they the commercial banks require collateral may be turned out at 24 hours' notice. security against loans sanctioned. How can These professional on manasers, whether an engineer, who is a degree holder from they are drawn from the pu blic sector or here or abroad and wishes to set up a the private sector, should be result.oriented. factory. give collateral security. Govern­ They should be categorically told to show ment have of course realised it, but quite good performance and good results, other­ late. Now they are ready to give loan. wJse their services would be terminated at You may be aware that the 1951 Act 24 hours' notice, as it happens in the was amended in 1972. It was discussed private companies. The I.A.S. officer thinks threadbare at that time. Whenever the that nobody can harm him, come what may. financial corporations were discussed tho The politician feels that as 10Dg as he en­ major flow pointed out was that they did joys the confidence of the Chief Minister, not undertake researcll and study or did not no one can remove him. Sir, therefore I collect commercial intelligence. Government would request that the system itself should have provided in the present Bill that be changed. In tbis connection I would 1ike these institutions would undertake researcb to poiDt out a few thinp. and economic studies .. ••• (Int_rrqtlolU) 301 Stat, Finance Corp. SRA VANA I, 1107 (SAKA) (Amdl.) Bill 302

SHRI C. MADHAV REDDI: They do the country, the identification of Dot conduct researcb themselves but advance which should be done by this corporation Joana., those engaged in research work. to decide which industry can be set up where government have stated a good DR. G.S. RAJHANS: I would like to thing in reaard to this which I would like to read it out for you. read out.

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It is proposed to expand the list of At present the prOVISions of the State bQJiness which the Financial Corporations Financial Corporations Act, 19"51 can be could undertake. Thi~ will, inter alia, made applicable only to an institution in enable them to undertake research and existence at the commencement of the laid service relating to marketing and investment, Act and which had for its objects the carry out techno-ecobomic studies, provide financing of industrial concerns. It is technical and administrative assistance to proposed to delete the condition that the industrial concerns, plan and assist in the institution should have been in existence at promotion and development of jndu~tries, the commencement of the said Act. This discount BiUs of exchange/promissory notes, will enable to apply the provisions of the etc. The said expansion will enabJe them Act to institutions which have come into to undertake promotional and development existence after the commencement of the work and play the role of regional develop­ Act. This will estlblish an organic link ment banks. between these institutions and the Industrial Development Bank of India. [Translation] [Translation] All right, it wiJl help in research work. Earlier, the loan used to be given only . It has been said earlier also and I want to to the existing industries or the internal draw the attention of government that they units. Now. it has been said that assistance should have commercial intelligence of will also be given to all the industnes which their own. They should find out through may come up in future 8S well. Earlier, research which are the projects to wbom the ind ustrial activitie s well limited and loan can be given One point is repeatedly defined, but now it has been said that we made about financial corporation about shall make tbele activities broad-based. which we are not satisfied because the The most important thing is that attention facts arc quite different. It is said that the should be focused by &overnment on such financial corporation will finance the industry industries as would ~enerate employment. in backward districts or in the districts At the lame time, those who went to sot where there is no or negligible industry. up an industry or trade or. their own should What bappens is that there is very 1ijtJe be encouraged. finance available in such places. It is my personal experience that in such places the [Englilh] industries are not financed. What is re­ quired to be done is that the financial • PROF N.O. RANOA (Guntur): It institution should, through' ifs agency, is for the State Government. ~ identify the areas where there is industrial backwardness and also find out which DR O.S. RAJHANS: But the direc­ industries can be set up there. I come from tion has got to be Ii ven by the Centre and the Mithila area of North Bihar. Mango the Centre should impress upon tbe State i. available there at throw-away prices. If Government that flnaocial as&isstli DCC will a malllo.. ba$ed industry is set up there and be aiven only wben tbe said criteria are the Financial Corporation is prepared t to followed. finance it, thousands or people can find [Trlmllation] employment there. Besides, the mangocs, which otherwfse rot there, will be put to Although, I wlnted to spoak at length use. TIlt", are thousands of .u~h. ..ph,ees in o~ t~ili s~bject~ y~t due to pauqt)' Qf ti~e, 303 Stat. Finance Corp. JULY 23, 1985 (Amdt) Bill 304

[SII. G S. RajluJns] through this legislation-the State Financial I shall restrict myself to one or two points. Corporation Act during tbese last 30¥cars­ Work is not being done to fulfil the objective the Minister should tell us these thiDgs. with which this Financial Corporation Act was enacted. For example, equ1ty capital is 16.00 brs. needed in a small scale industry. It needs In the present situation it hal definitely working capital to expand its business and bc.-en necessary to amend the Act because the to replace its machinery, but finance for concept has changed and a larger amount that can be provided only by the Financial has become necessary for a small scale and Corporation. No other agency can provide a medium scale indu~try has changed. A finance. bigger amount is necessary now and in this In the end, aU that I want to say is that respect the Minister has brought thIS legis. the Financial Corporation shoUld be made lation. I welcome it. I welcome the provisions risk.. oricnted so that at may be prepared laid down in the Bill but one thing I want to take risk without any inhibition to ten the House that our Reserve Bank or or fear. If in any case the loan is financial institutions or different nationalised not repaid, at last an entrepreneur, a banks are in the habit of sanctioning loans YOUDI man, an engineer or a doctor to the big houses. Therefore, if the repre­ hal sincerely made genuine effects to set up sentatives of the Reserve Bank or State Bank an industry. Government shoulu not be or any other financial institution,) dominate worried if some money advanced as loan within these financial corporations I do not turns out to be had debt in this endeavour. know whether they will be abJe to cbange Thererore, instead of adopting an over­ their habit. As they are in habit of sanction­ cautions approach, it should be made ri~k­ ing loans to the big houses how they will help oriented. the poor? The whole thing should be taken into consideration in the broad perspective With these WOlds, I support this Bill, of the new Industrial Policy new textile but I urge Government that the objective with policy and tbe Import Policy of the present which this Bill has been brought forward government. and the objective with which this Act was enacted in 1951 must be fulfilled. 1601 bra. [Eng/ish] . [SHRI ZAIN UL BASHER in the Chair] SHRI SATYAGOPAL MISRA (Tamluk): Earlier I have also mentioned that every­ The State Financial Corporations Bill wa4J body wants thai the small scale and the originally enacted in the year 1951 and after medium scale industries should survive. But tbe experience of more than 30 years it has how will they survive That is the main now become necessary to amend this Act. question. This type of legislation is necessary My point is that instead of bringing 30 no doubt it. But only through this legislation amendments in a particular Bill, the Minister survival of the small scale and the medium should have come with a wel1.thought out scale industry is not possible. comprehensive Bill. What is the necessity of brinling a. many as 30 amendments in a Sir, it shOUld be looked at from the particular Bill instead of bringing a compre· broader aspect of the new Industrial policy hensive legisJation? I cannot understand it. of the present government. What is their In this respect the Minister mu~t tell the induc;trial policy? Government has taken House what is the e~perience which we have the decision to introduce computers in dirte­ gained through these long 30 years. So many rent sectors. How the small scale and the small scate industrie5 are there. so many medium scale industries will compete with medium-scale industries are there Everybody thiB system? Is it possIble for them? Thee Is of the opinion that promotion of small­ present day need is that the Governmenc .cale industries and medium sea'e industries should invest more money in tbe publie Is necos!ary. But what we have gained sector. But according to the need of th throuah those long 30 years-that should also present situation, Government is unable to be analysed, How many Industria in tho invest that amount of money in the pub]f .mall ..Je lector Ind how maDY in the lector. 1beref'ore. they are encouraalog IDtdlU1l1 1R10 MOtor ha", beta beaetlMd, prlvat, '~tor, Wltb tho Idvanoo_.t of 305 Stat, Finane, Corp. SRAVANA J, 1907 (SAKA) , (Anuil.) Bill 306

private sectort how the smal1 scale or the tell the Dumber of financial Corporation medium scale industries wiJI survive? whose capital has been wiped out? Also, please tell us (he mode of getting Joan rroms Sir. the main factor is that present the Financial Corporation? Government's industrial poJicy and textile policy stand in the way of the advancement You have brought forward a very good of our small scale and medium scale indus.. Bill, the Members have commended it, I also tries. In that perspective you can bring a appreciate it, but, what are the points which good legislation. But our actual purpose I appreciate? We talk of a socialistic sociefY will not be fulfilled in this way. Therefore, and we want a sociaJislic pattern of society. I would like to urge upon the Government Our intention behind the setting up a to re-consider the whole industrial policy. Financial Corporafion was not that a f~w Do not encourage multi .. natiooals which persons should dominate it. What are the you are doing by raising the limit of MRTP qualifications of the Chairman and Directors fcom Rs. 20 crores to Rs. 100 crores. Bring.. of the Financial corporation? Do you want ing different type of Bills, you are encourag­ to keep the Financial Corporation aline at ing them. the mercy of somebody? Clores of rupees of the Financial Corporation are stilt out.. In that process how do you expect that standing. Will the hone Minister be pleased the small-scale industries will survive? My to state the amount of bad debts which is point is that in this context the who1e pers­ irrecoverable? How many of these 18 corpo­ pective with regard to the promotion of the rations are such as are unable to recover small-scale industries and medium-scale their money because of the fact that the industries should be looked into. money was loaned to those who ,,"cre running Sir, coming to the present legislation, I take companies? may point out so many amendments have bt:cn giv~n. I have also said carlier that J I can say about my own dic;trict. Many welcome all these measures. But I would big officer have managed to get loans there. again like to emnhasise my point that a Their factories do not run. They have comprehensive legislation is necessary for tbe rented out their industries. I want that an safeguard of small-scale nnd medium-scale inquiry into it should be ordered. Is our industrjes. With these' words, J conclude. Financial Corporation of Rajasthan prepared to inquire into it to identify the persons to [Tran.flalion] whom loans have been given? The loan has been given to those who are influential and are SHRI MOOL CHAND DAGA (Palij: able to get benefit fr(m it. And js the person Mr. Chairman, Sir, this BiU has been wel­ who is work ing a la bour? He is the man comed by all sections of the House. The who has come from Ladakh or Bihar. He is question is whether the 18 Financial Corpo­ Dot getting even his wages. People from rations working in the country have fulfilled Rajasthan are not working there. An article their objectives or not? The peoplc who do bas been published in some magative which not need any loan manage to get loan and touches this aspect. avail of its benefits, [English] Today, a person pulls a rickshaw whereas same people work as labourers. Your Here is an extract from an ardcle by Financial Corporations gives loan to those Shri K.K.O. Nambiar publIshed ;n the who have the means to buy a rickshaw Economic Times on 24th March, 1984: whereas that rickshaw is pulled by other labourers. Who carns from this "enturc? It is U All this persuades one to believe somebody else. that even after 30 years of their Today. the FinanciaJ Corporations h&vc beina in the realm of term lending aleo become dens of conuption. There are and industrial development, SFCs J8 Financial Corporations in the country. are no~here near fulfjlling their Will tbe hon. MiDister sinctnQt and hQnestly objecti ves." 307 Stat' PiIlQ1l~' Corp. JULY 23 ,1985 (ANI.) Bill 308

[Sh. Mool Chand DOla] self employment scbeme stated by tbe late Prime Minister. S}\rimati Indira Gandhi (lnterrupllons) on the l~th Augu\t 1983. The loans .bould [Translalion] be I ranted to those persons who have' not been granted any loan so far the purpose All this has been misappropriated by of our Rajasthan Finance corporation is Brahmans Ytho are not enteprising •. (lnttr.. to encourage small ind U$tries. ru,'ions) It is not clear from the Bill what the Marwaris are entrepreneurs; they know security of the debentlJfC holders will be. also bow to enjoy life and how to entertain What will you recover from the Raja sthan otbers. Finance Corporation which does Dot own What is the process of giving assistance a building of its own? There is no security to the samU scale Industries? The only at all. The big people wiU purchase debtn­ process is that tirst of all you offer some tutes and wiH keep them in their pocktts. bribe at the District Industries office, then Who wi11 repay them? You tell me only your case will move. Only the sycoptant who will rf'pay the debentures? I want to of the Managing Director will be able to know this from the econolt'ists. I have yet another point to ask. The Scheduled let loan. Castes and the Scheduled Tribes people have A good word bas been said about how received very little If ooey fcom the Fi"ance Joan is liven by the Financial Corporation corporation. You tell me their percentage? or RajastJlan. Our colleague Shri Rajhans Also tell me the number of industries bas made a very good speech. The which have been run by you and the numbet Members on that side have landed it. I of those which have become sick. What are want to know, after all what its objects are. the reasons for their becoming sick and what The obj~ct is tha t the people should get is the time by which they wiJJ recover? The loans. I have myself seen that the applica. House wants to know all this so that it may tions for loan ~ remain intouched for years give some suggestions in this regard. with the public undertaki'lg4J. It tJkes years for them to get loan. T~ey wonder from Some of the amendments prorosed by pillar to post for loan. The moment a )OU are quite good and wilt be beneficial signal is received from the top. they get You have raised the limit. But 'the positio~ loan at once. of the Raj~sthan Finance corporation, as stated by them, is : [Interruption,,] [english] It has been said that neither a politician .. nor an I.A.S. officer should be appointed as The loan outstanding at the end of cbairman. This is no suggestion. You March, 1983 Rs. 1100 4 crores. and it has appoint a chairman who can work with gone upto Ra. 1,.824 trores in 1983.84. honesty and integrity. There are honest politicians also. They are also well aware [Translation] of tbe problems of the people. You should make many amendments in this Act. The Now, this much amount of Government Bill should prescribe the nlade of getting a is still outstanding. Only god knows . loan. and the time in which it will be when it will be recovtred. This will go sanctioned. It should also prescribe the on ,welling. Therefore. what I want to time within which assistance will be say is that .. e have not been able to achieve provided in the cvtnt of breakdown of the the objectives of the Rajasthan Finance machinery. Corporation till today. Some of the amend­ ments proposcd are for fixing time limit for Sir. I would also like to know ahc num­ giving loan. But it is essential to remove ber or industries which have becomc sick the shortcoming in its procedure of workin•. due to non .availability of Joan from the Therefore, with a view to achieviD, tbat ob­ Rajutban Finance Corporation and the' jective. it '" better to thorOulhly amend tbi& Qumber of people who sot Joan under the Jaw. SRAVANA 1,1907 (SADA) (Amdl.) Bill 310

[EIIIlilh} Bombay mills, I think, at least Ra. 20 crotes to Rs. 30 erores amount must be outstand­ DR. DATfA SAMANT (Bombay South ing and it is in liquidation. As per the Central): Sir, Financial Corporations are textile poliCY, now, you ale going to CD­ working for the last 33 years and in a deve­ couraae the lame people by givina them lopin, country like India, industries need loaos. What are the provisions to get loans them and there is development. But what­ from variOUS banks and otber finaDcial ever may be the principle with which it institutions? The same people are taking started, it is not at an satisfactory to the loaDS from financial and other institutions small and medium scale indt.lstries. It is and also from the finance corporations. rightly said by my friend-and I support What is the coordination? Ultimately, this him. - tbat for a smaH or medium sized is becoming a business. Some of these employer or for an honest engineer without people use these facilities and get the loans baving any pull or push at the top to by using \farious approaches and ultimately inftuence the Chairman, it is very difficult that particular industry goes into liquidation. to get loa08. The vested interests' and the Now about 80,000 industries are sick. I can big houses get the loans and they use it in understand that in sooJe of the small various ways. Anybow, you are making industries, the sickness may be aenuine, but some small changes. But I do not think tbat in many of the indutries it is created by the living more loans or increasing their limit people. The influential element, the vested for technical know-how, research. etc. will interest element and some of the industri­ help. I do Dot know that what is the control alists are quite inte11igent that they use a11 that you are having Ultimately, it is not a the money from Government corporations, question of making laws. but it is a question from banks and from private sourcea. of implementation of the Jaws by the people And their business is to go into liquidation. who are going to give these Joans. Some Sir, to run the industries in this way is really big houses will get more money and they becominl a business. They are not pro· will show it on research sclleme or technical fessional; they arc not bothered about the know-how scheme in their plants. For all Government; they are not bothered about these tbings, they are going to get loans your banks, and they are not bothered and I do not know whether they will be about their workers I think, even the property used for the indu.tries or not. Government is not bothered about the I have seen another difftculty. The workers also. Thlt I will discuss some other time. They use this money and plan Corporation is giving Joans to various people. so Now, you examples Now, what is the rate of recovery and what much. I can give is the amount outstanding with the industries of MIs Firestone and MIs. Modistone in Bombay. It is not F.e, Joan, it is a bank which have got the loan? I wiJI point loan. 2S crores of rupees are taken from out the case of a number of industries io the banks, whereas hardly Rs. 3 crores have Bombay. Take for example WG Ford, Wymen Gardens. I think that this Cor­ been used fOr the industries. I do not know, where they have used the rest of the poration loan js about 4.5 crores of rupees, money. What is your control? Arc you but the bank loans are about Rs. 30 crores havins and it bas lone upto Rs. 42 crores and any control over these things 1 How being by everything is lone in liquidation. There is the money utilised every year these people? Whilo granting a lot are various aspects rcaard.ina the people who loans, are takina loans and getting facilities from of vested interests are divertiog the money to somewhere else and then they make the the Government. industry sick. What about arrears or land We may discuss the moral principles and revenue? It is impossible for you to recover taws here. But the people while takins the this money as arrears of Jand revenue. This loan or while ulina it misuse the loan. I Is not corporation·s money alone, money demand in this House that the Minister of the banks is ten times more. So tar you should live tbe figures of the outstanding have not introduced any good Jogfalatlons amount of these corporations with tbe for the workers. So ir you confider aU textIle business in the hOIlSes, 10 the those tbillfS the recovCl')' tl)at tbe corporatiOQ 311 Stllll Financ, Cor,. JULY ll, \985 (Amdt.) Bill 312

[Sh. Datla Samalll] quent Plans to ensure genelation of will be gettlDg would be small. The em· employment opportunities for the millions ployers who are getting the loans and thea of young men and women who enter the making the industry sick are not aoiog to labour market every year. This necessary gIVe you anything. That is why I request mfra·structure is th~re for accelerating the Minister to give me the figures, the industrial growth. The atmosphere is also outstanding balance to be recovered by the conducive to lDcreasing the rate of develop­ corporation. What is the money that can­ meat. In fact, some people are of the not be recovered from the various sources ? opinion that we are on rhe brink or a take­ Therefore such type of acts or provisions off. In this process, the State Financial are not going to sati&fy any of these users. Corporations have to play an important I think one of the friends from the other part. It is to enable them to do their side also said it. While giving these loans promotaonal, development work more are you going to see whether these employers vigorously, that the BilJ has been brought are using them properly or not '? Why are forward by the hone Minister. you running the industry in this country? While funning the industry, arc you con­ There are 18 State Financial Corporations sidering ho" the employers are having their in our country, working under the State relations with the workmen? Are they Financial Corporations Act of 1951. They giving them genuine salary. minimum wages have done remarkably weJl, but still they or not? Even after 40 years of indepen­ cannot meet the requirements of accelerated dence .. I do not think that the Government development we expect in future. The Bill has given any consideration to this aspect. therefore, removes many of the restrictive You are introducing some amendments here provisions of tbe Act which are 00 longer and there, but the basic principles of relevant. These aniendments will enable the starting these small and medium scale Corporation to function as effective develop­ industries in this country is not going to be ment banks. solved eithC'f by the old Act Of by the~e new Amendments unless they are properly utilised. The first important amendment enables Pinance should be ah en to the genuinely the Financial Corporaticns to increase needy people. I do not think these Amend­ their authorized capital from the present ments are going to satisfy either the need limit or Rs. 10 crores to Rs. SO crores, and of tbe industry Or of the country. even to a higher limit of Rs. 100 Crores, on 16.14 brs. tbe recommendations or the lOBI. Promo­ tional agencies lIke the State Investment SHRI Y S. MAHAJAN (Jalgaon): Mr. Corporations and Small Industries Cbairman, Sir, I congratulate the Minister Corporations will also be permitted to of Finance for bringing forward this com­ subscribe to the shares of the State perhensive Bill to amend the State Financial Financial Corporations. These (haoges will Corporations Act in India The Bill was make for integration in the financial and overdue. The original Act was passed about developmental agencies in the State. 3S years ago and though the State Financial Corporations have rendered yeoman service To provide larger funds at their in promoting and developing small scale disposal, an amendment is being made to industry and to a certain extent medium enable the State Financial Corporation. to scale industry, in the meanwhile, during the accept deposits upto ten times their paid-up last 35 years the industrial scene has chana­ share capital, with the approval of the ed completely, with the result that certaiQ Central Government. They can, and are amendments . in the Act have become even beina permitted to, raise capital by necesasry. During the 6th Plan. we ~ad debentu~s or by issuiog bonds which are expected an industrial growth of about Dot guaranteed by the State Governments. 8010 per annum. But the actual achievement This will help the State Financial COfP9- fell much below expectations. This rate of ratioDs which are functioning efficiently and growth has to be increucd, has to be with profitability, to raise resources qt accelerated durio, the 7th, and the .u~- th~ir owo, 313 Stat, Filfllnee Carp. SRAVANA I, 1m (SAKA) (Arndt.) Bill 314

The amendment will also allow the risks; they should share in risk bearing $.tate Financial Corporations to borrow projects. The amendment is meant for that. upto twice the amount of their paid.up When we move from security oriented on share capital, from the Reserve Bank of project..oricnted basis, it means that the India against securities. The limit undl'r financial corpora dons undertake part of the present Act is 90% of the paid-up the risk. Then it is said the introduction of share capital. computet s will harm the development of small scale induatries. The experience in All these amendments will strengthen developed countries shows that introduction the financial base of the Finandal Corpo­ of computers has not reduce employment; it rations sufficiently to help the develop­ has increased employment opportunities; meDt of aU kinds of industrial activities. that is the conclusion of a committee which The Bill, therefore, re-defines the enquired into this matter in America. As a word 'industrial concern'. to include all reliult of the use because with the use kinds of industrial activities, with the of computers you have a number of exception of shipping .. industries producing spare parts and a number of people are en ganged in trading iThe amendment whi~h will be most these commod ities. Therefore, on balance, welc orne to the large number of small snd the employment opportunities increase; they med um scalc industrialists, is the one which do not diminish. enhances their limits of financial assistance. At present, the State Financial Corporations As regards over-d ues, Mr. Daga talked Act can lend at the most Rs. 30 lakhs to about outstandings. Outstanding, are companies and cooperative societies, and different from over-dues. The over-dues upto Rs. 15 lakhs in the case of partnership are small if you look at the total statistical firms. These limits are being raised from information published by the Reserve Bank Rs. 30 lakhs to Rs. 60lakhs, and from Rs. of India. The over-dues are so small I lS lakhs to R!I. 30 lakhs. These amendments wonder why the government has made this will also enable the State Financial Corpo­ amendment that over-due~ could recovered rations to assist the medium projects, in as revenues land. participation with other institutions and banks-projects whose capital assets go Finally, some members want these Ipto Rs. 30 crores. corporations to function for removing The Bill, therefore, seeks to make regional jmbalance~. This can be done ~adical improvements in the scope, capital provided the State Financial Corporations work hand in hand with Investment and Itructure, borr~wing capacity aud limits )C financial assistance by the State Financial Development Corporations in this matter, :::orporations to enterprises-or-small and Gujarat has provided a model. There the nodium scale. Financial Corporation and Investment and Development Corporation join hands and These changes will enable them to play they go to the doors of the prospective an important role as development agencies industrialists. Not onJy they reduce the in the industrial field. I recommend this delay in sanctioning schemes but also offer Bill, but b~fore that I would like to answer consultancy services and see that the indus­ some of the criticisms which have been try is set up as soon as possible. So, if made by previous speakers. Objections have there is a cooperation between aU the been taken to the appointment of lAS Financial Corporations and Developme nt officen and politicians as chairmen. The Agencies. if they work together and 80 to question is not of appointing lAS people the doorsteps of all the industrialists, then or politicians; tbe question is of appointing our objoctive could bo achieved. a proper man. a maD who is knowledgeable ~ and works with integrity. If you do not . Naturally, the BiU is confined only to appoint propel' persons, nothing can be certain amendments in the Bill. The Mini.ter dODO. One bon. member siad that these cannot lay down all these thiDas in the Bill corporations should be allowed to take itself. The amendments wero neces8a1)' 315 Slat~ Finance Corp. JULY 23, 1385 (Amdt. Bill) 316

[Sh. Y.S. Mahajan] I suggest that the State Financial Corpora­ because of the development which has taken tion. must render financial assistance for place in the Jast 35 years. They will stren.­ the educated unemployed in setting up then· the financial institutions and make small industrial units under this scheme. them better able to pcrforn their functions It must be ensured tha t the initiaJ ('apital and fulfil their objectives. With tbese words, iDvestment is provided for them by the I support the Bill. SFCS. OnJy then the menace of unemploy­ ment in the country can be tackled to IOlrO [Tran.rlation] oxtent. • *SHRI R. JEEVARATHINAM (Arakk­ , onam): Hon. Mr. Chairman, Sir I, rise to I would also refer to another important say a few words on The State FlOancial issue. According to the RepC"rt of Reserye Corporations (Amendment) Bill, 1985. This Bank of India, in June, 1983 there were is a well- intentioned Bill and I welcome 58550 small scaJe units which were reported it wholeheartedly. I have no doubt in my sick. In June 1985 this Dumber wouJd havo mind that this amending Bill will pave the gone up to even 60,000. In June 1983 in way for early fulfilment of our young and Tamil Nadu there were 81] I small scale dynamic Prime Minister's objective of sick units. I need net say that the capital the country. is blocked up i" these units. Besides that has led to unemployment also. Here also The parent Act was passed in 1951 and the State Financial Corporafions should during the past 34 years there has been try to rehabilitate such sick units by extend­ phenomenal industrial progress in the ing financial assistance. But this Bill bas country. The State Financial Corporatioris made no provision in regarg to this. Due have played the key role in extending the to unavoidable reasons our hOD. Minister necessary financial infrastructure for the of State for Finance has not bjeen able to industries. Thousands and thousands of pro {ide for extending rehabilitation finan­ small industries have come up in the country cial assistalnce to small scale sick units during this period, generating employment through the State Financial Corporations. opportunities throughout the country. At the But I appeal to him that he should initiate lame time, the poutation has also gone up steps for setting up a Sick Indu'ttrie,. by 100 % during this period. This has made Rehabilitation Financial Corporation in the unemplo~ment problem endemic in each State for the exclusive care of such our country. By paying attention to the industrial units. If they are rehabilitated, development of agri~ulture in our country, again the unemployment problem will be we may reduce the ngours of unemployment reduced to some extent. This amendiDI to some e"tent. Agriculture cannot absorb Bill provides tor the enhancement of author­ all tbe educated unemployed in the country. ised share capital of State Financial The setting up of more and more industries Corporation to Rs. 100 crores. I would in the country can alone contain this forest­ like to point out that with Rs. SO crore. fire of unemployment. The State Financial as authorised share capital the Sick Indus­ Corporations have a vital role to play in tries Rehabilitation Financial Corporation this endeavour. wiJI be able to rescue the sick units from imminent extinction. Our late Prime Minister Shrimati Indira Gandhi formulated and impleme1'\ted the While I welcome that tbe financial Self·Emp1oyment scheme for the educated assistance to companies cooperative societies unemplo~ ed in the country. This scheme aDd partnership firms i. being increased to must be implemented much more vigorou,Jy RI. 60 lakhs and Rs. 30 lakhs respectively DOW. Presently, the financial assistance for from Rs. 30 lakhs and Rs. IS lakhs, it fs this scheme comes'from publlc sector banks. inexplicable to me why the limit of Rs. 1 But the finan'cial assistance is too meagre crore is the case of industrial concern is for setting up evon a tiny industrial unit. beiDI raised to Rs. 3 crooes or such hiahor

·The lpeach was orianially delivered in Tamil • 317 Slat. Finane. Corp. SRAVANA I, 1907 (SAKA) (Ameli.) Bill 318

1iOlit up to Rs. 30 crores. I am also babty maiopulations with regard to peopJe constrained to point that the State Fsnancial with greater resources are being done from Corporations will hereafter concentrate in the State Corporations. I think, from that extonding financial assistance only to big point of view this should be gone into. industries. The SFC may not take an), interest in the growth of small industries. Another problem with many of the While there are pub) ic sector financial State Corporations is that those who lea lIy institutions like IDBI, ICIC, JFC etc. for are going in for new industrial ventures extending financial ac;sistance to big units, they often complain that they do not get the I do not know why the State Financial necessary expert guidance or advice with Corporat ion should be burdened with the regard to the prospect of the indu;)try, raw task of giving financial succour to big materials, technical know-how, marketing industries also. facilities. etc. It seems to me, to make these thing~ more purposeful really the In these circumstances. it has become guidance of these Corporations to new an imperative necessity that an indent entrants is very much necessary. I think Sick Industries Rehabilitation Financial from that point of view, ~ome expert know .. Corporation should be set up in each State Jedge must be provided by the Corporations immediately so that the sick units may be and provision should be made for that, if revived expeditiously. I appeal to the hon. necessary (rom the financial aspect as well. Minister of State for Finance that he should That may not he just giving salary to a pay aUention jn this matter. With these particular person. Like R&D in the public words J conclude my speech. undertakingc;, thec;e Corporations should also have a provision of their own R&D as [English] far as helping the new entrants is con­ cerned. SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE (Panskura) : Sir. in general terms this Bill Taking advaDtage of this Bill I would is welcome because it extends the scope of like to point out some things about m) functioning of the State corporations, gives State and ma)'be about certain other them some more leeway as regards resource States also-some things which are not mobi)jsation. etc. So. to that extent, the directly related to the scope of this Bill but provisions that have been propo~ed are surely related to the aims or the Bill. welcome thoup,h I am not clear whether in Everybody would agree that these State view of the tremendous price rise this Corporations should take particular pain to 'broadening of the scope quantitatively will help the medium and small industries. really be commensurate with the present From that point of view, it seems, at the state of affairs and whether that will in moment, the criterian that has been fixed reality prove more beneficial than when the for the declaration of no· industry district is earlier limit was fixed. It seems to me that really faulty. it may become an improvement on the present situation but compared to the From my experience I can say that in present requirement in terms of money our state the districts of PuruJia and West probably it could have been made better. Dinajpur are the two very backward districts but they do not find their place in Now Borne friends have most relevantly the no-industry districts. These are in the posed the question that one should go to 'Bt group and not in the ·A~ sroup. I do the functioning of the State Corporations. not know the reason for this arbitrary kind Here I would like to say that there are of .. (Interruption). State Corporations and State Corporations. Surely all are not functioning in the same PROF. N.O. RANOA: Who maICos way. But ev~n then we can say that there the c)assifies.ion, the Government of India are State Corpol ations about whom . this or the State Goverrtment ? complaint is wide-spread that in5tead of really helping those that they should help SHRIMATI OESTA MUKHERJEE: i.o. small and medium entrepreneur., pro. The Government of India, As I have uraed. 319 Stote Finance Corp. JULY 23, 1985 (Amdt.) Bill 320

[Smt. t;eeta Mukherj"] institution, 11 nd banks, as has been said by the Plannins Commission has now set up a Mr. Daga. Just as bureaucrats are committee to study this aspect and review dominant in 80'Vernment in the case of it. Therefore, I would particulary request financial corporations also, bureaucracy is the Government to liberalise the conditfon'i ruling the roost and corruption is rampant for declaration of the no-industry districts there. They compel the person who has to because in those areac; particularly, these take loan from the hank or the financial corporations should make a thrust so that corporation, to give them bribe and this those areas develop Th it is why I say mega} gratification is ruining our economic that this sbould be gone illto. structure. It j~ a very good step that the I will cite another example. Darjeeling activities are t-eiog exranded, bec8.:se no in our State is also indu~trially .. ery back. body can deny that the present development of ward and as far al going there is concerned small and medium scale indu~tries is due to it is very difficult, that j~, the transport a11 these steps. So. it is a weJcome step that problem is very acute. A~ I understand, the activities arc "eing expanded. It is also in some states tran5port slJbsi~y is given for a good step that the financial limit is being certain areas, but 1 do not know why increased furtht"r. But one thing must be Darjceling hal' not been covered by that borne in mind that the person who gets loan transport subsidy. I am not speaking o['\ly does not do the work himself. He geb the for DarjeeJing, I am citing this as an work done by others. He reports to example. If you reaUy want to make these exploitation of others. corporations purposeful, then lacunae like 16.50 hrs. this wherever they may be, should be parti­ cuJarly studied and those should be really [MR. SPEAKER in the chair] reviewed and rectified. In any case, as fdf as my plea for DarjceJing is concerned, I Loan should be given to those persons think the Minister take up with the will it who work them"e]ves. Loan should be relevant quarters. And surely p Iso for given to those persons, who are doing work Tripura because they also have thi~ under the sel femployment scheme. Loan problem. There are very many others should be given in bac k ward areas also States also. It is not the question of only what is happen ing today is that per~ ODS West Bengal or Tripura, but it is the having influence get the loans. In Ladakh qQestion of all such places, the entire North­ 7 person~ had applied for Joan. The Eastern region .... (Interruption). person, who should have been the fint to SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : get the loan, did not get it. He got the Tripura itself is a no-indulitry State. loan only when the matter was brought to the notice of Deputy C.M. The state of SHRIMATI GEETA MUKHERJEE: affairs in Madhya Pradesh and other States Exactly. so .. it may be the whole state, it has been reved led here. UnJess the Central l1\ay be a part of the c;tate or it may he Government take interest, nothing wiJI certain districts, these problems f!lhould be happen. The Central Government do not take very seriously studied if the scope that is any intere4;t after disbursing funds to the to be utilised. For heaven's sake, prevent State Governments under 20-point programme such. state corporations which go in for or any other programme. Those funds are giving loans to bigger houses. In whatever misused. If we do not keep a watch on the way it may be, stop them from doina that. working of the financial corporations, our [Translation] SY:!Item will go a\\ay. The employment probh'm will not be removed thereby SHRI O.L. DOGRA (Udhampur): Sir, I because the loans go into the wrong am gratefull to you for giving me time to hands. The person who receives Joans arter speak. I assure you that I shall not repeat giving brIbe is not able to repay it You what bas already been said. This is a very will have to exercise supervision to prevent good Bill aDd everbody should support it. all the~e things. If you do not play your Two or three things must be taken care of. role but remain a silent spectator, then the Some people are misusing the financial State Government officerl will ruin ;t. The 321 Stall Flitance Corp. SRA VANA 1, J901 (SAK.4) (Anult.) Sill ~22

reason for the present increase in prices i. finaacc. He lOCI to these financial inStitu­ that some people have amassed huge wealth. tions because of the delay in the sanctions. They can purchase anything a t any price. He hal to incur heavy expenditure towards In super Bazar, sugar is sold at ag. 5.65 interest which will certainly burden the per kg. Whereas at other places it is being entrepreneur. Therefore, I would suggest sold at RI. 9.50 per kg. Nobody bothers that there should be a time. bound programme about it because the people have sot easy at the time of the sanction of the appli. money in abundance. It i. our duty to have cations. Whenever any application is a check on it. You will have to ensure its received. unless there are some extraordinary proper functioning. You wUl hsve to circumstances, the application should be ensure that loan is given in backward sanctioned. We find that there is no areas. Thtre is need to revive the sick cooperation between the IDBI and the industries. This is pa'rt of the game. You financial institutions and also the Govern­ will have to take risk for undertaking ment of India in the Department of Industrial development work. Our infrastructure Development. It is the Industries Department should be 15 trengthened more and more. It which has to look after the capacity is the duty of the Reserve Bank of India to Utilisation. Once the industrial licences are see whether this structure is functioning giVtD. the financial instiutioDs should come properly or not, otherwise everything wiJI forward to assist them. But what happens go awry. With these words I support Is, once the licences are given, the financial this Bill. Institutions refuse to sanction the loan. Then the entr.epreneur is put to lot of inconveni­ [English] ence. Once the letter of intent is given, it is the duty of the financial institution to SHRIMATI BASAVA RAJESWARI sanction the loans at their respective (Bellary) : Sir, I support this Amending branches. Bill. The measures proposed in the Amend. ing Bill are welcome ones and they are Sir, there are number of industries intended to help the small and medium which are declared as Sick Industries. They industry entrepreneurs. For the last 35 have become sick for various reasons. But years the entrepreneurs were facing various ultimately become defaulters For the inconveniences and this Bill is a measulc to disposal of such sick indu!j,trits there are remove those constraints. no proper arrangements. It is only the Management which disposes of such The share capital has been increased to industries. So, I suggest that there should 200 times from the existing limit it would be proper guide lines as far as these sick certainly make the role of the Corporation industries are concerned. It is always a one morc useful for the entrepreneurs. man'. show. Therefore, I suggest that thi s thing should be given wide publicity so Secondly, the Corporation has been that each entrepreneur wiJl be in a pOSition Permitted to raise the share capita). This is to know which are the industries wrich are a good measure and I welcome it. Apart sick and for saJe. from this, there should be a time scbedule for sanction of these applications. There is Then, Sir, there is a Clause which says inordinate delay at the time of sanctions. that the arrears of the Corporation will be Once the entrepreneur gets an industrial recovered as arrears of land revenue. I licence it takes years for him to let very much doubt whether this will be the sanction from the financial institu­ sustained because aU these loans are secured tions. At the time of tbe renewal of loans. Now what will happen is this. If the the industrial licence or letter of intent, Corporation Is permitted to recover this as the Department fnsists on th" proaress for arrears of land revenue, the other institut­ which the entrepr~nelJr is not at all reapODS. ions'will follow tbe same method which jble. It is Dot dQt to any fault on the part win certainly amount to lot of hardship ror of the entreprfnOQl' but due to lot of dolays tho defaulter. So, I am against this clause which taka pla{)O. no oQtreprenOQr baa to aad I 'u,A~.t t1l~, lhJa ,boql4 ~ tQ,.Uf .prq~ ~~• .p~_ ~. t~ b,l4p ftIlOV", 323 Stat, FinalfCI Corp. JULY 23, 1985 (dmdt.) SUI 324

[Smt. Basava Raj,swori] (11f1~'l'IlJItlon,). Wben they go the financial institutionl, sometimes they say that only certain So, this is a good amendment. With technology is approved. For example, when those remarks, I thank you very much ror they go to a financial institution for living this opportunity. sanction of loan for a mini steel plant, they say that only V.S.K. Technology is appro­ SHRt G.M. BANATWALLA (Ponnani): ved. Sometimes they say that only certain Mr. Chairman. 'Sir, there can be no doubt capacities are sanctioned; sometimes they say that the financial corporations must lear 200 tonnes per day and sometimes they say themselves up and must equip themselves only 50 to 100 tonnes per day. So, these for the emerginl chaUeoae& of the Eighties. things are coming in the way of the entrepreneurs setting up industries. There­ MR. SPEAKER: Speaker is in the fore, I sugSest that there should be specific Chair! guideline in this respect as far as these industries are concerned. SHRI G.M. BANATWALLA: Mr. Speaker, Sir, several restrictive provisions 17.00 hrl. were there in the Thirties and one cannot object to this panicular point that now Once the entrepreneurs are in difficulties, those restrictive provisions of the Thirties I think it is the responsibility of the concer­ are Dot reJevant in the present days. ned financial institution to give finances to Therefore, on this count I rise to welcome them. the Bill. It is, indeed, a radical BiJI and a bold Bill \\ herein we have provisions Another thing is, there are small to tackle, as I said, the emerging challenges entrepreneurs: who have borrowed from of the Eighties. the financial institutions, like the flour mills, saw mills and those for setting up Sir, one must welcome wholeheartedly oil mills. For various reasons these or every effort to broaden the share capita) people are not in a position to repay the of our State Financial Corporations. One loans, either principal or interest. Therefore, must welcome every effort to augment tho in regard to those small people who have resources of the State Financial Corporations borrowed money to the extent of Rs. 25,000 so that they can playa better and greater and below, after a long time knowing fully role to accelerate the industrial development well that they are not in a position to repay or our nation. the loans, their interest should be written off and principal should be recovered in One must also welcome every effort easy and equal instalments from them. in order to increase the officacy of our State Financial Corporations to provide With these words I support this Finances and assist the various units. Amending Bill. This amendment provides wider scope for the financial institutions Sir, whiJe in gcoeral, I say that I am to undertake this business. This will, Int., in agreement with the provisions or the alia. enable them to undertake research Bill. I have risen only to strike a note of and relating to markuting and service caution. We are toJd that the present investment, carry out techno-economic provisions of the Act with respect to studies, provide technical and administrative granting of assitanco to industrial concerns assistance industrial concerns, plan and to have a restriction, i.e. that the assistance assist in the promotion and development can be granted to such industrial concerns of industries, diseount bills of exchange which have paid-up share capital and free promissory notes, etc. The said expansion reserves up to Rs. I croto. It i. proposed will enable them to undertake promotional to relax this limit of RI. I eroro up and developmental work and play the role to Rs.30 crotes. In other words. It will of [Caiona! development baQks~ J10W be possible fOt any State Financial 32~ SIal6 FinQlf~ Cor,. SRAvANA I, 1907 (SAluj (Amdl.> Bill

Corporation to astist an industrial concern our smalJ-scale sector to play a key role in which has a sbare capital up to Rs. 30 our industrial economy. crores. Here, I must respectfully submit to the House that there is a certain social Therefore, while welcoming tho Bill obligation as far our financial corporations and while striking a note of caution here, are concerned. Their main objective has I have to make a suggestion and the sugges­ been to assist the small scale sector. Now, tion is that the Central Government itself bere this relaxation is Biven with a view to should prescribe in its rules, a system of enabling them to come even to the rescue priorities so that the basic industrial of the large scale sector and to &rant loans culture of ours remains unaffected. and assistance to these Jarge business houses also. In making this relaxatioD, the note I must also say a word about the recover­ of caution that I have to strike is that the ies. The recoveries is a matter which small scale sector should not be neglected. must be taken seriously. Between the That is the point which must be taken into year, 1977 to 1982, the total overdues of the account very carefully. Even as the situation financial corporations have increased. Some today stands, the small scale sector feels bon. Member here said that it was negligible. neglected. It has been one of the demands But it has increased from Rs. 92 crores to of the small scale sector that there should Rs. 267 crOfes. Therefore, strict measures be a financial agency exclusively for it. On are needed on this particular point. the contrary, now we have this position that At present, the Amendment Bill seeks the financial corporations which were to change the present security-oriented supposed to come into existence for the approach to the project.oriented approach. purpose of helping and assisting our small I welcome this but, at the same time. it has scale sector are now looking forward also been provided that debentures can be towards assisting the large business. Uptil issued by the financial corporation now, now, good work has been done, I must say, without the requirement of a guarantee by by the State Financial Corporations in the the State Governments. service of the small scale sector. I find that the share of small scale units in the total Now, on the one hand. you find the sanctions made by the Financial Corpora­ policy chanscs are greater risk-orientcd. We tions-18 Corporations that we have-has find that the poUcy changes are made in shown an increased trend. For the year order to allow financial corporations to 1979-80, 63.1 % of the total sanctions made have more and more borrowings and, at the: by all these State Financial Corporations same time, we are relaxing thi5 particulal was for the small scale sector. In 1980·81, condition that the State Government need the percentage roso to 68.7. In 1981-82, not guarantee the debentures issued by the the percentage further rose to 69.S and so financial corporations. This will not be: on. Therefore, we find a very healthy ,ood for the fiscal health of our econom) trend that is growing with regard to the and, must, thererore, be seriously considered assitance to the small scale sector. by the Goverment.

But now, Sir, with this provision that With these words, having struck a note the Financial Corporations will be in a of caution, I support the Bill. position to give assistance to such industrial concerns which have a capital up to Rs. 30 crores, 1 am afraid, the small scalo sector 17,13 hl'l. and the consideration o( such classes like the educated unemployed and others may STATBMBNT RB: PRIME MINISTER'~ sufFer. RECENT VISITS ABROAD [BngllllaJ Thereforo, my plea to you while strikinl this note or caution ia, to ace that our basic THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRl industrial culture remains unaffected. We RAlIV GANDHI): Mr Speaker, Sir, 1 have a basic industrial culturo. We w.nt Mok leave to mako a .tatoment to the House 327 St. r.: Prime M;nill.," JULY 23, 1985 reclnt visits, abroad 328

[Sh. Rallv. Gandhi] The outcome of our discussions has on my visits abroad since the Hou~ last been set out in the JOint Statement which met and to give hon. Members a brief was issued at the end of my visit. Two asse~sment of the talks I have held with Aareements were signed. The first, an the leaders of each of the countties I Agreement on EconomiC and Technical visited. Cooperation, provides for SOViet participa­ tion, in some important project included in I paid an official visit to the Soviet our Seventh Five-year Plan, particularly in Union from 21 to 26 May. I flew to power, coal and petroleum sectors. There is Bangladesh for a day on 2 June. From S also provision for Soviet participation in the June to 10 June I visised Egyptt France, iron and steel and machine-building sectors. Algeria, the United States of America and Soviet cooperation under this Agreement is Geneva in Switzerland. to be covered by a credit one biIlion roubles. As the House knows, our relations with the Soviet Union have throughout been The second Agreement signed was on exceJIent and my visit helped further to the main directions of economic, trade, strengthen the friendship and mutually scientific and technical cooperation between beneficial cooperation that exist between our countries upto 2000 A.D. our countries. , My programme incJuded visits to I was accorded an especially warm Minsk in the Byelorussian Republic and reception in the Soviet Union. I had Frunze in the Kirghiz Republic. At a several meetings with Mr. Mikhail Gor­ public function in Moscow organised by the ~achev, General Secretary of the Central Union of Soviet Friendship Societies and Committee of the Communist Party of the the Soviet-India Friendship Society, the Soviet Union, during which he reiterated the Lenin Peace Prize was awarded posthu­ impOl tance which the Soviet Union attached mously to our late Prime Minister Shrj· to maintaining highJevel contacts with India t mati Indira Gandhi. A square in Moscow and to enlarging friendship and under­ was also named after her. standing with India. I, on my part, pointed O\1t the high value which the Government In my assessment, the vis it bas been and people of India attach to our ties. very useful in enabling the leadership of the Our discussions were most cordial and Soviet Union to get acquainted with our farranging; covering bilateral relations and point of view and in taking Indo·Soviet international issues of importance. In understanding an d cooperation to a new regard to bilateral relations, we agreed to level of cordiality. expand and deepen our existing cooperation in various sectors in a Iongterm perspective. The purpose of my visit to Ban,ladesb on 2nd June was to express India·s sincere The international issues discussed sympathy to the Government and people of included peace and disarmament and the that country over the devastation and loss developments in South-East Asia, South. they had suffered as a result of cyclone. West Asia, West Asia, Iran and Iraq, Sou­ President Jayewardene of Sri Lanka, who thern Africa and Central America. We was in New Delhi for discussions, also went also briefed them on the efforts we have with me to Banaladesh. We had talks with been making to develop friendly relations Lt. General Ershad, President of the People's with our neighbours as well as our initi­ Republic of Bangladesh. The visit was atives as the Chairman of the Non.Aligned also an expression of the growing spirit of Movement. I also met Mr. Nikolai solidarity among the countries of South Tikhonov, Chairman of the USSR Council Asia. of Ministers, Mr. Andrei Gromyko, who has DOW become the President of the Soviet ElYpt and Algeria have been close Union and was then Foreian Minister, and colleagues of ours in tbe Non-Aligned otbcr leaden. Movement. Shrimati Indira Gandhi was to 329 $1. r,: Prime Minister's SRAVANA 1, 1901 ($AKA) recent visits, abroad 3JO

have visited both countries in April. 1984, Summit in November 1984. upgradation of but could not do so. After I assumed our relations had been uDder active con­ office, their invitations were renewed. sideratien.

In Cairo, President Hosni Mubarak My visit to France followed a series of received me with great warmth and cor­ high-level exchanges since President Gis­ diality. We had an in-depth exchange of card D'Estaing's visit in Januar}' "1980, the views both on international and bilateral late Prime Mjnister lndira Gandhi's visit matters. Egypt was. particularly appreci. to France in November 1981, President ative of our Chairmanship of the Non­ Mitterrand's visit to India in November Aligned Movement, our role in promoting 1982 and Shrimati Indira Gandhi's short disarmament and our efforts to bring about transit stop-over in Paris in September 1981. an early end to the Jran-Iraq war. There My visit proved to be very useful and rein­ was agreement on the need to cooperate forced the foundation for a more dynamic c;loseJy with each other and to remain in bilateral relationship. touch on the West Asia question. We also were of accord on the need to maximise President Mitterrand and I took stock bilateral economic and commercial cooper­ of the world situation and the imperative ation. It was decided that the possibilities need to promote international peace as well might be explored in a more concrete as greater co-operation between the de­ manner at the first meeting of the Indo­ veloped and developing countries_ I also Egyptian Joint Commission which is likely had extensive discussions with the Prime to be held in October, 198~. I also had Minister, Mr. Laurent Fabius. discussions with Mr. Kamal Hassan Ali, Prime Minister of Egypt. In my meetings, I stressed the need to develop the poJitical and economic aspects In Algeria I had extensive discussions "of our bilateral relationship in a balanced with President Chadli Bendjedid covering manner. The French displayed marked the entire range of bilateral and international receptivity to our point of view. issues. The talks were very cordial and relaxed. There was identity of views on Two accords were sign~ durins the international issues of mutual concern and visit : one on the setting up of an Indo-" we have agret.d to keep in close touch. French Centre for Promotion of Advanced particularly on Non-Aligned issues. It was Research in India and the other for French agreed to set up an institutionalised system assistance in the conversion of urban of annual exchanges between our two wastes into energy. and depolJution of the Foreign Offices alternatively in Algiers and Ganga river. Overall Indo-French econo­ New Delhi. I also had talks with the mic co.-operation in a number of fields is Prime Minister, Mr. Abdelhamid Brahimi. expected to be significantly enhanced.

In order to give a further impetus to I inaugurated the Festival of India on our economic and commercial exchanges. 7 June. As Members are aware, the we agreed to purchase half 8 million tonnes Festival will continue until mid-1986. and, of Algerian crude. Algeria has indicated already, it has had a marked impact on the its readiness to accord high priority to the French public. award of commercial contracts and projects to India. In Paris I also addressed the UNESCO and reiterated our support to the work On the question of Western Sahara, our which tbat organisation js doing. sympathy and SllPport for the Polisario was reiterated. My visit to USA from June 11 to 15 was most useful. I received Mr. Mahfoud Ali Belba, Prime Minister of the SADa and member I had an opportunity to eEhanae views of the Executive Committee of the Polisario. with President Reagan on major inter­ It was made known to him that, followinl national issues and also on matters of tho SADR.'. participation at the 20th OAU immediate concern to India Uke reports 01 331 St. re: Prime Minister's JULY 23, 1985 State FlnaICce CDrp. 331 recent visllsJ abroad (Amdl.) Bill

[She Rajive Gandhi] Hon. Members would have seen reports Pakistan's plans to produce nuclear weapons about President Reagan's recent surgery. and the activities of some terrorist elements. I am sure the ent ire House would join 'De The talks were characterised by warmth in conveying to him. to Mrs Reagan and to and openness. the American people our best wishes tor his full and speedy recovery. I welcomed the desire of the President for close cooperation with us on the On the way back from the United international dimensions of terrorist violence States I broke journey for a day in Geneva against India. where I was accorded the privilege of addressing the International Labour Organi­ I found both the President and his sation. In my address I reiterated India's advisen a great deal of interest and under­ commitment to ameliorating the conditions standing in regard to what we are trying to of our workers in both the organised and do in India. Even where we have unorganised sectors and to urge greater differences in policy or in approach, I got action on the part of I.L.O. in the service the feeling that we could stilI discuss the of unorganised workers all over the world. issues and work together. We value these high-level contacts and would like to conti­ nue the dialogue. I believe there is good scope for bui1dmg on these foundations to 17.25 brl. broaden our understanding and co-oper­ ation. STATE FINANCIAL CORPORATIONS Hon. Members would bave seen the text (~MENDMENT) BILL-Conld. of the joint statement which was issued at the conclusion of my visit to the United [Eng/ish] Stetes, which lists out some areas of caolJomicJ scientific and technological co­ MR. SPEAKER: Now, we continue operation. We have identified some specific with the discicssion. areas of collaboration, like extending the Science and Technology Initative for another (Translation1 three years, initiatinl a vaccine action programme, and a long-term research and SHRI OIRDHARI LAL VY AS (Bhil­ technology development programme, and a wara): Mr. Speaker, Sir, many fresh--­ programme for the advancement of commer­ clauses are sought to be added by the State cial technology. Financial Corporations (Amendment) Bill India was honoured by the invitation introduced in the House. You are very extended to me to address a joint meeting well aware that the object of this enactment of Con,fcss. I also had meetings with was to provide more and more assistance other important members of the Administr­ to industries in different States in order to ation as well as prominent scientists, leaders bring prosperity in the country. The of the Press and the media and the U.S. steps taken in the beginning proved Chamber of Commerce. helpful in achieving industrial development to a great extent, but we have still to do Both in Washington and in Houston a lot in this field. The present condition there were functions with the Indian com­ of financial institutions is not conducive munity. Vice.President Bush graciouslY to this. For this purpose it is necessary accompanied us to Houston, where I paid a to expand its jurisdiction and increase ·brief visit to NASA. A major event in my its capital, powers ctc. Hence. there programme was the formal inauluration of amendments are absolutely necessary for tho Festival of India, which was dedicated industrial dcvolop'Iloot. Under this syltem to the memory of Shrimati Indira Gandhi. the small scale sector and the medium President Reagan has referred to it as "an sector will lot opportunities to make unprecedented nationwide celebration". progress. 333 Stat' Plnane, Corp. SRAVANA 1, 1607 (SAKA) (..4mdt.) Bill 334

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[MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair] ··Small Industries Corporations, etc·, eligible to subscribe to the shares of The activities to be expanded through the Financial Corporations and thus these amendments include the definition of get formally associated with them." aindustrial concerns' as under! [Translation]

[English] It is also a welcome step. It will be helpful in involving the small scale industries "to finance all kinds of indufltrial also. activities, with the exception of shipping, beiDg financed by the all-India financial This will give an opportunity to our institutions." small scale industry to grow, which in turn will offer opportunities to our people to prosper, besides paving the way for (Tram/ation 1 speady industrial development.

Similarly, the provision made for giving Earlier, no financial Corporation had financial assistance to all the industries the authority to mobilise its own financial through this Financial Corporation is resources without a guarantee from the commendable. It will increase the pace of State Governtment. But, now, with the industrial development. Similarly, the second proposed amendment, they will have the amendment moved by him is as under! authority to mobilise their own resources.

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"expanding business of the Financial "It is proposed to allow them to Corporations, it is proposed to raise the mobilise resources by issuing bonds, authorised share capital of a Financi? 1 debentures and raising deposits which Corporation from Rs. 10 crores to Rs. 50 may not be guaranteed by the State crores or such higher amount within an Governments, to enable such of the overall limit of Rs. 100 crores." Financial Corporations which are in a position to raise resources OD the strength of their efficiency and pro­ . [Translation] fitability. " The earlier limit was quite inadequate [Translation) due to which aU industries could not to liven full assistance and as such the increase Now, with this authority the financial in the limit is definitely a welcome step.· corporations, will be 'able to inerease their It will enable the financial institutions to business from their own resources which provide more and more assistance to differ­ will help our small and medium scale sector ent industries as a result of which the to raise production. production will increase and conditions in the country will also improve. It is true Earlier, when they used to get loan, its that the moro we develop industrits, the follow-up work was not being done properly, more the workers will get employment. but, the follow-up programme DOW proposed Besides, tho industrial output will also go in it is very necessary. Without that, DO up to the desired extent. It will also help further progress can be made. Through in improving the situation prevailing in the this process, it can be ascertained how country and increasiDI the pace of develop- much money that unit needs to get raw ment. material and other facilities. When the machinery in any industry becomes obso1ete Tho third amendment moved by him by woar and tcar, its production starts i, .. under! fallins and, thus, the machineuy needs ", Slate FlIIane, Corp. JULY 23. 1985 (Amdt.) }JIll 336

{Sh. Glrdhari Lat V,as] to Rs. 100 crores and as a result thereof, modernisation: The provision made in this very little attention will be paid to our Bill to provide assistance to such units will small and medium sectors. Besides, a 80 a long way in helping the development share of the money will be taken of industry. This is a very good provision always by the big industries as lump sum made in this Bil1 which will help us raise and the quantum of assistance being given our production. to small industries will decline. In my Similarly; view, this is not the intention of this Bill. There will not be any decline in the quan­ [English] tum of assistance which is being given at present to the smalJ and medium sect or . 'The Act at present limits the borrow­ On the contrary, with the increase in the ing by the Financial Corporations from amount, big industries wit t also get assis­ the Reserve Bank against securities to tance because it is very difficult to get ninety per cent of their paid-up share , finance from other financial institutions. capital" This limit is proposed to be You know pretty wen the working of the raised to the extent of twice the paid­ Financial Corporations of the States. up share capital to enable them to Therefore, the proposed provision in this augment their resources through Bi11 wiH give a great fillip to our industrial borrowing." output resulting in a lot of benefits. [Trans/ation] I went to draw the attention of the hon. This provision will help in augmenting Minister to the fact that there are a number the paid up capital; In my view, this; provi­ of financial institutions wbich have their sion is very commendable. branches in the districts which advance loans. But a great deaJ of difficulty is experienced Likewise, the provision made in this in getting loans from the institutions. Bill for the promotion of research. develop­ ment and marketmg is also praiseworthy. My suggestions is that a certain time­ This will certainly yield benefits to OUf limit should be fixed witihin which the ]oan industry. to small and medium sector industries should be given and it shou1d be ensured that they Similarly do not face any kind of inconvenience. [Errg/isnj You have also made a provision of 'single "This will, inter alia, enable them to window service' in it. Today, a person undertake research and service relating who wants to set up a new industry faces to markiting and investment. carry out a variety of probJem~. Land is allotted techno economic studies; provide by one department, water connection is technical and administrative assistance given by another department. Power connec­ to industrial concerns, plan and assist tion is given by one department and there in the promotion and development of is still another department who supplies the industries, discount bills of exchange raw material. Thus, if aU requirements promissory notes. etc." are met from a single window, certainly. it [TraM/at/on J will prove helpful in setting up a nc:lw industry and if such a provision is mado Such a provision in the Bill will greatly through this amending Bill, it will give a benefit our industry. big boost to our industrial set uP. But in this connection, I want to submit, as I Keeping aU these things in view, this have already said, that there should be a amending Bill can be caUed a development. following programme for those' who have oriented Bill which will help our small and been money in the small scale sector. We medium sectors a great deal. While mURt monitor whether the money advanced critloising this Bill. some of our colleagues by us has actually been invested or not ~av' ..Id that tho ~Irqlt h.. \)~Q r'Ji~ wbother it t. bolD' ueod in produotioc 0, 337 Stal, Pinallc. Corp. SRA VANA I, 1901 (S.4K..4) (Amdl.) Bill 338

in runnin, the industry or not, whether the SHRI C. JANGA REDDY (Hanam­ raw material liven to it is being used or tonda): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Dot because there ate many units which State Financial Corporation Bill brought sell the raw material in the black market, forward in the House provides for raisins invest a smaH fraction of the money and the amount of loans to be granted and for misappropriate the rest. There are many mobilising more capital. It should also such units, figures in respect of which were have a provision to see that when we issue furnished in the House earlier also and you industrial licence manufacture same items will come across thousands of such sick units in the small scale industries as well as biS in the State. No proper arrangement for industries, there is bo und to be a price such sick industries has so far been m !de. d itTerence between the two. When there It no follow - up action is taken by the is a price difference, the marketing problems Financial Corporation.s, such units close are sure to follow. This leads to the small down and the money which we invest is industries becoming sick. Therefore, there not used there and such there is no indus­ should be corporation between the industrial trial output from that money. We want Jicensing body and the Financial corpora. to bring in a labour-oriented system so tion. that more and more people get employment. But that system also goes away. No speci­ In this connection, I want to give an fic provision has been made in the Bill in example. Electric bulb is manufactured this regard. A provision should hav,", been by the small industry as also by H. M.T. in incorporated in this Bill regarding the sick Thousands and Jakhs. There is a difference industries and the ways and means to in t}\e cost 0' production of both. Being revitalise them, so that we may get return. costlier, the bulb manufactured by the small On the money invested and the country scale industry does not as a result of which may get benefits out of it. There should the smaJl industry becomes sick. be a specific provision for it, so that we can achieve are target of achieving an Therefore. my submission is that the industrial growth rate of a percent, which licence in respect of the items being produced now stands at 4.5 per cent. This would in the smalJ scale industry should not be be possible only if we have a follow - up given to big industry nor should a loan be programme of the entire system. given to the big industry for thi~ purpose. because the cost of production of that item There is another thing which I want to in the smal1 scale industry will be higher say. You propose to realise arrears as as compared to the big industry. Thus, land revenue, but how will you realise small scale industry cannot compute with the them when an industry becomes sick? big industry in the market. When you give When an industry becomes sick. it is left loan to the small industry for the produc­ with no money to make payments. In such tion of a particular item, you should not a situation, you either take over that industry issue licence to the big industry for the so that Government can run it or hand it production of the same item. They should over to somebody else. otherwise your neither be given loans nor licence. arrears cannot be recovered from a sick industry. Therefore, the provision made We see a strange thing in the matter or in the Bill is not pro()er. Some stringent issuing licences. A number of licences for provision must be made in it. If any cement industry in Andhra Pradesh are IndlaStry becomes sick and arrears are due pending with the Centra] Government. The from it, Government or the Financial Cor­ Industrial DevaJoptment Corporation has poration should take over such an industry. refused to give them loans. The Government If a provision to this effect is made, your of Andhra Pradesh are prepared to give money witt be secure and the industry which them full assistance. Licences to them are IOes sick every now and then will .allo not issued by D.O.T.D. Your finance corpora­ fall sick. tion should also think about it. This aspect should also be borne in the mind With these- words, J support 'his Bill, while issuiol licence. Lakhs C!f rupees are 339 Stat. Fl~ Corp. JULY 23. 1985 (AmdI.) BIN 340

[She C. Jan,a Reddy] Now there is quorum. The boo. Mem­ spent on letting a licence. If the Financial ber, Shri Janaa Reddy D" ay continuo. Corporation does not advance loao, laths of rupees EO spent go waste. Therefore, [Translation] this should be kept in mind. SHRI C. JANGA REDDY: They take The financial corporations give loan for loan from the bank and then go to lory but not for tractor. In agriculture, the Financial Corporation after filing tractor also serve as means of transport. an unsolvency petition. Thrrefore, you should We see that big and small lorries are used give toan only after checking all these for transportation in big cities, but in the things, and it is necessary to give top outskirts of the city and in small towns, priority to agro based industries so 88 to tractors are also used for transportation 'Of facilitate tbe progress of rural areas. With loods. Therefore, the Finance Corporations these words, I support this Bill. should give loan for tractors also. SHRI HARISH RAW AT (Almora): Similarly, the Finance corporation Sives Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, through ,his Bill, loan to the film produces, but it does not the hon. Pinance Mmister has paved the give loan to the distributors of the films. way fot accelerating the pace of indust­ Film producers studio owners, and camera­ rialisation as promised by him in his Budget men get loan, but the exhibitors who ex­ proposals and, I feel, that witli their amend­ hibit films in cinema halls are not given ments, th~ hon. Finance Minister has loans. Loan is not given to the owners of thrown a big responsibility on the State cinema baUs. If loan is not given to the Financial corporations, because the States exhibitors. the production of films will be bad been demanding in the past that their less. As a result of that, repayment of your Financial Corporations could not functioD loan will also be delayed. Therefore, you properly due to some provisions of the Ac t should also give loan to the owners of of 1951. I am of the view that with this einemahall, as they have to make day·to­ amendment, all such difficulties will be day payments. removed.

Similarly, the Rice MiJls in Andhra The biggest difficulty being faced by the Pradesh as also the mills of aU India level entrepreneurs at present is of guarantee. are not being given loans. They produce The Financial Corporations, like banks, insist aaricultural commodities. In our Nagarjuna on guarantee. I would like to submit to Sagar area, paddy is produced in each the hon. Finance Minister that the loans district and in each village. Therefore, we given by the State Financial Corporations to should give loans to the agro-based indus­ the entrepreneunrs are re-financed by the trirs also with a view to pron-oting rural I.D.B'!. and other financial institution and, development. Without that, the villages as such, the Central Government should cannot progress. If loan is not given to impress upon the States not to insist on the agro-based industries, to whom will it guarantee. It should be risk-oriented, as be given, who will benefit frOIll it? There­ stated by other hon. Members also. When fore, it is necessary to give loan to agro­ we want industries to be set up in backward based industries. SimilarJy, loan on large area and new people to enter this field, scale should also be given for poultry we shall have to be take some risk. The farming. All these things wiH facilitate State Financial Corporations were set up for development of rural areas. taking such risk. If they are not prepared [English] for it, the objective behind them will not be achieved. A person who waDts to let up an SHRI PIYUS TIB.AKY (AJipurduars): industry and applies tor it, has to wait Sir, on a point of order. There is no for such a Jong time before settinl the loan quorum in the House. that he loses interest in the project. The Financial corporation shifts the responsibility MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The beIJ i. on tbe Industry Development on the plea MiDI NnI... •.. ••• tha' it bu dem. it, tllIt, In time. The 3041 Stal. FI1IIInce Corp. SRAVANA 1,1907 (SAKA) (Arndt.) Bill 342 deJay is there because the case is beina willUne up to the responsibility entrusted taken up with tho I.D.B.I. I would like to to them. 8ub mit that there should be a time limit for Ii v;ngloan riabt from the date of applica- SHRI P. NAMGYAL (Ladakh): Mr. tion till the loan is finally given, so that the Deputy Speaker. Sir, the Stato Financial objective for which a person is tettina up Corporation (Amendment) BiU. 1985 i. beiDa an industry is rulfilled. For this purpose, discussed in the House and many of our it is necessary that the State Financial cor· colJeagues have given their suggestion porations should have experts to properly thereon. During this short time, I shall guide the people. They should guide the restrict myself to dIawing the attention of person who is entering the field for the the hon. Finance Minister to the financing first time. It is just possible that the ex­ of the State Financial Corporation in our perienced perlon may have the knowledge State. of the market, but a new man js not suppo­ . As many of our colleagues have already sed to have it. Through this amendment saId, the benefits of these Financial corpora­ you have done a great service by canalizing tions are not reaching the prople who are the subsidy. SubsidY for transport and in fact supposed to get these benefits. Some investment is given in hiJI areas, but it big industrialists and transporters arc tak es a long time for the subsidy to reach themselves of its benefits, the the beneficiary. With this amendment I availing loans are sanctioned to them only and all hope tbe time lay will be abridged. You kinds of assistance are given to them. On have said that the loan will be realised as the other hand_ the deservang people of our land reven:.te. This is a very good proposal in itself and also conducive to the health society, the educated unemployed or small of thete Financial Corporations. A diffi· enterperneurs are not given any assistance. culty which is likely to be experienced is I went to draw your attention..,. particularly that what type of persons this responsibility to the State Financial Corporation of ]atnm~ bas to be entrusted and how these persons and Kashmir. will know the conditions of the loanees . So far as my constituency Ladakh is and the entrepreneurs. If you measure concerned, it remains cut orf from the State everyone with the same yard stick. I capif&l for six months in a year durina think it will further enhance the percentage which priod the people of Ladakh 'have to of sick industries. Cooperation should be ex­ shuttle between Leh and Srinagar dozems of tended State the to the Governments in time by air as there no branch of these matter of recovery. But, at the same time. corporations in Ladakh. The style of it shouJd be coupled with the guidelint"s as functioning of these corporations is Very to what is the condition of the ind ustry strange. What is needed is that there should and the entrepreneur from whom the re­ be a booklet or some guidelines containing covery is to be made. If you adopt the the detail of the ~ntire procedure so that for I think, it will be same yardstick all, they may know what step is to be taken and harmfUl. There is too much of bureaucratic when, what the next step will be and what in all our Financial control Corporations. the other requirements on their part will be It clearly means that when an enterpreneur If they receive such guidelines, they will be comes forward to set up an industry, he is able to prepare and present aU papers or at every step. This is my discouraged documents bofor time and can thus com­ request to you that you shOUld advise the plate all formalities. But no such provision to reduce these controls. There States exist in these corporations. In the absence should be two types of representation in or such a provi$ion, what happens is that committees proposed by official the you say five objections are to be raised in his and Don-official. I think. we cannot pro­ form, all the five objections are not raised the financial vide a very good service if only at the same time. Initially. be will be told entrusted with experts or ba.relucrats are about one objection saying that his form is this job and the social scientilts are not founding in resJ)ect of particular thing. associated with it. lonce alain support No sooner does he remove tho ftnt defiCiency .. amendment, IDd bope that the Stat. tban be win be toJd about tbe.eoM 343 Slat- FiNlllce Corp. JULY 23, .'8S Bus/ne" Adrilor, 344 (Amdt.) Bill Commit'"

[She p. Namgayal] to order a thorough probe into the workin, objection. What I mean is that he is not of these corporati ons. I had brou,ht the told about aU the five objections at the deeds of these Financial Corporations to same time. Had he been told about aU the your notice earlier also because you finanoe objcctions at one time his money and time them. Such activi1ies in these CorporatioDs would have been saved. Thus, there corpo­ also take place at political level. I had rations have become big dens of corruption. drawn your attention to their working two years ago also. Today, I shall again request The Jammu and Kashmir Financial you that in view of these circumstances, you Corpora tion is runni na at a great loss at may review their financial position and present. In Jammu and Ka~hmirt there is a ensure that the deserving people set the tendency that somehow you manage to get loan and assistance. a loan and then misappropriate it ..•...(Bell) I am just going to conclude. No attention is paid towards realisation of loan. 17.59 brs. BUSINESS ADVISORY COMMmEE Therefore, I want to say that attention should paid towards this as Shri be aspect Eighth R~port Dogra had also very rightly pointed out. citing a case, that the loan is sanctioned on com.. [ English] munal consideration and, as such, the people belonging to minorities find it difficult to get THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY loans. He has al~o said that seven AFFAIRS (SHRI H.K.L. BHAGAT): I beg persons had applied for loans, of whom six to present the Eighth Report of the Business persons belonged to one community and Advisory Committee. they were samctioned loan immediately but seventh was not somctioned loan until be 18.00 brs. went to the Deputy Chief Minister with a complaint. Thus. discrimination is made The Lok Sabha th~n adjourned till Ekllen even in samctioning loans. In there circum­ of the Clock on Wednesday. July 24, 1985/ stances, I request the hon. Finance Minister SraVa1ZQ 2, 1907 (Saka).

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