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Mike Prescott: Field Notes, Topic Log, and Interview Transcript Raquette River Dams Oral History Project Mike Prescott: Field Notes, Topic Log, and Interview Transcript Raquette River Dams Oral History Project Mike Prescott Field Notes Interview with Mike Prescott for the Raquette River Dams Oral History Project Collector: Camilla Ammirati (TAUNY) Recording Title: Mike Prescott (7.16.15) Format: Audio Digital Recording Length: 00:51:02 Machine Model used: Roland R-05 Wave/MP3 Recorder Interview date: July 16, 2015 Time: 1:30pm Place of interview: The TAUNY Center in Canton, NY Setting and Circumstance: Mike was glad to make a visit to Canton, so he met Roque Murray of WPBS and me at The TAUNY Center. We talked in the classroom, which made for a somewhat echo-y recording. Additional Notes: I first met Mike at the Raquette River Blueway Corridor group meeting the spring before I started on this project. He’s an Adirondack Guide and a historian of the river, and he has written a fair bit about the river’s history for the Adirondack Almanac. While he came to my attention as someone who shares our interest in the history of the dams rather than someone who was involved in or affected by their building, talking with him revealed his own personal connection to the dams’ history. As a child, he went to see the construction in progress, and it clearly stuck with him. He came back to the dams through his later interest in paddling and otherwise exploring the outdoors in the region. One particularly striking idea that came up in our discussion is that his main interest in the dams is, in a sense, an interest in the history of the dams that weren’t built. He has devoted a lot of attention not only to what ended up happening with the dams but to earlier plans for damming the river that did not come to fruition, and to the idea of the landscape that would have resulted had things gone a little differently. As someone with so much experience both researching and paddling the Raquette River, Mike also can tell its story in a very insightful way. In light of his perspective, I wanted to speak with him about his own connection to the dams, and he also made a natural choice for someone to work with Roque Murray on the WPBS documentary. Mike has been working closely with Roque on writing and narrating that documentary, and I spoke with him in the middle of that process. Page 1 of 16 Mike Prescott: Field Notes, Topic Log, and Interview Transcript Raquette River Dams Oral History Project Mike Prescott Topic Log Prepared by Camilla Ammirati Interview Date: 7.15.15 Interview Length: 51:03 00:00: Introductions. Mike Prescott retired from being a high school principal and took up paddling, started recreating historical paddles, and got interested in the Raquette River when someone asked him to paddle it. Found it to be the state’s best kept secret. Had been reluctant, imagining concrete reservoirs, then found them to be beautiful lakes instead. 01:36: Background. Born in 1948 in Rochester, grew up in Gouverneur, went to college and into the military, and settled in a school district near Lake George. 02:43: How much waterways were part of his life growing up. Grew up on a lake in Gouverneur area, so canoeing nothing new but did later take up a different kind of canoe--the solo canoe, which gives more flexibility. In retirement, started working with Adirondack Cooperative Loon Program, which put him on lakes all over southern Adirondacks. But wanted to get into other waters, so started in 2005 by recreating George Washington Sears’ Rushton canoe trip from Old Forge to Paul Smith’s. 04:46: Memories of dams being built on Raquette, going on a Sunday drive with his family to look at the projects. His dad was fascinated with the power project because he had always worked construction and was interested in how things were built. Father also repaired earth-moving equipment, may have done that for the dams among other things. 07:46: His interest now is not in the dams that were built but in the dams that weren’t built--history of dams and proposals from 1800s on. Dams proposed largely for flood control. Early surveys of rivers--“Power Possibilities of the Raquette River” and others. 1900/1910 extensive engineering surveys proposing containment dams, but these were abandoned for prospect of hydroelectric power based on dams built at the power source/where the water drops, which makes much more sense. He likes to see older survey reports and reflect on where dams would have been and how the whole geography of the area would have been different had they gone ahead. Elaborates on example of Tupper Lake--everything now at water level would have been 30+ feet under. 11:55: Fascinated by this whole forgotten history, thinking about what might have been. True on the Hudson river too. The more efficient use of dams and smaller reservoirs make more sense and better preserve the beauty of the Adirondacks. 14:10: Describes maps he brought in. One shows containment dams planned on what he calls Upper Raquette--from Piercefield to Blue Mountain Lake. One would have been at “Setting Pole Dam,” which was first built by loggers in the 1870s. Failed efforts to build a dam in what’s now the “Raquette Pond” area, and abandoned plans to build it near where the Wild Center is now. 19:35: Second map shows what it would have looked like today had those dams been constructed. 20:19: Talks about a plan there had been in the 1840s-50s to connect the Raquette to the Hudson via canal and railroads, and reasons it didn’t materialize. Idea revived in 1870s, working with Verplanck Colvin. They actually started building it, but then stopped because of economic recession and objections Potsdam lumbermen (including Henry Hewitt of Hewittville)’s objections, as their business would go to Glens Falls instead. 24:26: How he learned all this. Taught history for many years and would always ask people questions about areas he paddled. So, talking to people and looking into things from there. Sources at Adirondack Museum, Wild Center, libraries and universities. He likes to solve the puzzle. Page 2 of 16 Mike Prescott: Field Notes, Topic Log, and Interview Transcript Raquette River Dams Oral History Project 25:54: Area just north of Raquette River in Saranac Basin referred to a while back as the Times Square of the North. 10 rivers flow within a five-mile diameter, and the rivers were like highways for people coming to the Adirondacks in the late 1800s. 28:49: More on memories from when the dams were being built, what area was like in 50s and 60s. Remembers black kettles with flames in them marking areas to stay away from. 30:05: Importance of dams to area: providing power for company that owned them, economic boost, employment, incoming industry afterwards to take advantage of power. 31:17: More on being impressed by how the lakes look natural. Recreational opportunities, canoe carries around the dams. Things seem well-regulated. 33:23: Has only positive things to say about Brookfield and how they manage the land, trails, access, safety. 34:42: Compares Raquette to other paddling areas. It has something for everyone. Makes note of how in the Adirondacks you don’t “portage” but “carry.” 37:00: Describes how he breaks the river down into four sections based on different characteristics. Like “Times Square of the North,” got the idea from Donaldson. The first section, Blue Mountain Lake to Tupper, is the “trunk-line”--people would bring their trunks and take them in the guide boat for a long stay. From Tupper Lake to Carry Falls is “The Wild River”--only one dam, much like its original features, rapids, drops, rugged, less regulated by dams. From Carry Falls to Norwood- Norfolk: the “Workhorse River”--where much logging used to happen and where most of the dams are located today. Last section from Norwood-Norfolk to Akwesasne: “Ah.na.wa'te'” [meaning "Rapid River"], to remind us that native peoples used this river as a corridor, hunting ground, etc., long before white settlement. Over a summer paddling with Mary Jane Watson on the Raquette, wondered “how do I tell the story of this river,” needed a handle/framework, and started to see it as these very distinct sections along the river. 42:00: He’s wearing a hat with a licensed guide tag. He’s a licensed for flat water, hiking, and camping. Got licensed in 2005. Describes what it entails to get licensed--learning about first-aid, map and compass reading, etc., taking a test. Affiliated with New York State Guide's Association. Could do all the learning on your own, mostly common sense. Has come across some old-timers, but generally just people with similar interests. Both people independently interested and people who’ve had that kind of experience or appreciation in their family history. Also some “flat-landers,” people who come in from elsewhere and fall in love with the area. 48:03: Explains his tattoos--name tags for all the Newfoundland dogs he and his wife have had. They do take dogs out in their canoes. 50:32: Encourages people to get out and appreciate the river. Page 3 of 16 Mike Prescott: Field Notes, Topic Log, and Interview Transcript Raquette River Dams Oral History Project Mike Prescott Transcript Interview with Mike Prescott: Experience with the Raquette River Dams Interviewer: Camilla Ammirati Interview Date: July 15, 2015 Interview Location: The TAUNY Center Transcribed by: Scribie Transcription Service Interview File Name: Mike Prescott (7.16.15) Interview Length: 00:51:02 Notes: Mike wished to make a visit to the area, so he came to Canton to be interviewed at The TAUNY Center.
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