UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 1
THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018
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PROCEEDINGS OF MINI-PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E 249
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Members of the mini-plenary session met in Committee Room E249 at
14:00.
The House Chairperson Mr C T Frolick took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayer or meditation.
APPROPRIATION BILL
Debate on Vote No 37 – Arts and Culture:
The MINISTER OF ARTS AND CULTURE: House Chairperson, hon members,
Chairpersons and Chief Executives of Public Entities, distinguished guests, members of the media, ladies and gentlemen, I want to extend my warmest greetings to all of you present; it gives me great joy to appear before Parliament to present our budget vote and also to interact with you the representatives of our people.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 2 The centenary of Madiba and Ma Sisulu is celebrated this year under the theme: Be the legacy. Had President Nelson Mandela and Ma Sisulu lived they would have turned 100 years old this year.
This year also marks the 40th anniversary of the untimely passing of that patriot and a combatant for African Liberation, Prof Robert
Mangaliso Sobukwe. These patriots of our country were deeply influenced by the inscription found at the entrance of Solomon
Mahlangu Freedom College in Mazimbu, Tanzania which reads thus:
Ours was not for personal glory, nor distinction, but for a
noble cause of our time - the liberation of the people of South
Africa and the entire humanity.
These giants of our country lived because they had surrendered their very beings to the people. They lived because their very beings embodied love, an idea, a hope, an aspiration, a vision of collective destination.
Talking about our giants and legends, we want to congratulate the
Ladysmith Black Mambazo for their 5th Grammy Award. This group, under Prof Joseph Shabalala has held the South African flag high across the globe. He has multiplied the South African heritage to
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 3 all of humanity and has imparted his indigenous knowledge to younger generations.
This is our identity, our culture, our heritage and we are not mimicking anyone about it, but the world is learning from us. They are still abroad as we speak, but here they are represented by the group Manager, Mr Xolani Majozi. [Applause.] We have started a process with the black Mambazo to support them in what they call
Ladysmith Black Mambazo Mobile Academy. And this academy is going to ensure that the legacy of ubab’uShabalala lives long after he is gone.
The road to our democracy in South Africa is drenched in blood and punctuated by centuries of racial and economic subjugation, discrimination and oppression, with many ordinary South Africans, especially the youth, making the ultimate sacrifice in the quest for freedom and democracy.
Today, South Africa is a thriving and bourgeoning constitutional democracy as a result of the immense sacrifices made. Our freedom was never free or given to us as a free gift. Others perished as a result.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 4 It is important also to note and acknowledge the glaring reality that South Africa’s freedom would remain hollow for majority of the population, predominantly blacks and Africans if they remain on the fringes of the economy.
Radical socio-economic transformation is a vehicle that will lead
South Africa into a type of society envisioned in the NDP.
South Africa was conquered by force and ruled by force for hundreds of years before 1994. However, this does not justify any form of brutality, hence the focus on nation-building and social cohesion.
In confronting the pernicious ideology of racism, the department has focused on the following pillars:
To ensure education of our people against racism and most importantly, the centrality of building a nonracial society; assert mobilisation of all in our country against racism and its manifestation; regulating unwanted behaviour which is racism in our society which we are doing as government together with other departments led by justice department to ensure that this ideology is criminalised in South Africa.
The South African reality is that society remains fragmented and this is accentuated by incidences of feminicides killings of people
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 5 with albinism, emerging practices of cannibalism, abuse of drugs by the youth and many other social ills. In this regard, the Social
Cohesion Advocates are active in pursuing cases against perpetrators of killings of people with albinism. This is in addition to the work they do in promoting constitutional values, shaping public opinion on major media platforms.
The Moral Regeneration Movement has been re-invigorated and additional board members have been appointed. This new epoch of the
MRM seeks to re-energise RDP of the Soul, as espoused by the father of our democratic country, President Mandela. Dealing with damaged moral fibre of our society is being given attention through programmatic work of the MRM in partnership with the DAC.
The Charter of Positive Values is central to the work of MRM.
Accordingly, the DAC supported MRM programme of ethical leadership in partnership with SALGA. Our support extended to MRM programmes across ideological divide, especially on the Code of Election
Ethics.
The 2012 Social Cohesion Summit in Kliptown was a milestone of its kind in bringing leaders from all backgrounds together and adopts a declaration. The follow up summit of 2015 in Port Elizabeth gave
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 6 impetus to the declaration because of its practical approach to engaging society in the discourse of social cohesion.
In this context, conversations on this important area were extended to communities, meaning beyond academic spaces. In the past three years there have been over 100 conversations across the nine provinces of the country.
The department developed themes for conversations and it became apparent that people are generally interested in discussing issues that affect them on daily basis. For example, people were concerned about issues and levels of unemployment, service delivery, crime, etc. Some of the dialogues focused on the topical issue of racism and xenophobia and the likes.
The national symbols of the country should remain central in the promotion of patriotism. In this regard, the department has printed the Passport of Patriotism booklet to educate our people about national identity. The continuous distribution of the booklet is about speeding up the programme to heighten awareness and consciousness.
The passport is widely distributed at national events and also constitutes an important part of Life Orientation curriculum in
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 7 schools. This education also includes protocols on handling of national flags. In addition, the national flag has been hoisted in more than 80% of our schools in the country.
Our National Days are an ideal lever for government to promote
Nation-building and social cohesion. Therefore, the commemorations of these days should reflect our quest to build a united, nonracial, nonsexist, democratic and prosperous South Africa.
The department has noted the concern that these commemorations have become an African affair; hence efforts are made to ensure inclusivity. This year, the Human Rights Day has seen participation of diverse political formations, community organisations and people of other races. This is work in progress.
The themes of the National Days have integrated the centenary of
President Nelson Mandela and Mama Albertina Sisulu. Most importantly, the department has adopted an approach that ensures that activities for national days are extended for the full month.
Cultural diplomacy is also another important part of our work in the department because global influences are realities for our country.
There is abounding evidence that global integration is not limited to economic issues, but it is also social and cultural.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 8 Therefore, the cultural season’s programmes are critical to ensure people to people exchanges, relations and showing our cultural products. Since 2012, the success of this initiative has been punctuated by a shift of focus from European countries to the BRICS countries and the African continent.
The department has been able to undertake the Cultural Seasons programme to China and Russia and later this year Brazil Season will be the beneficiary. India will be the focus of the seasons towards the end of the financial year. On the continent the Cultural Seasons have been exchanges with other countries on the continent like
Western Sahara where we have a joint programme in the film industry.
Algeria and Gabon have hosted a successful seasons as well. The next countries scheduled for the seasons are Angola, Kenya and Ghana.
Africa Month links directly to and aims to support and strengthen
Africa day declared by OAU on 25 May 1963.It also provides an opportunity to reflect on the philosophies and values of the founding fathers and pioneers of the Continent, including Kwame
Nkrumah, Leopold Sedar Senghor, and many other others. It focuses on
Africanness, African unity, African identity and pride.
During the past three years, the programme for Africa month has been extensive in sharing of perspectives about the continent through
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 9 hosting of colloquia at institutions of higher learning, in communities like villages and townships; showcasing the kaleidoscope of cultural activities of the continent in various communities. Some of the prominent scholars that graced our colloquia during the past three years include, Prof Ngũgĩ wa Thiong’o, Prof Wole Soyinka, Prof
Ben Okri and Prof Nuruddin Farah and many others.
The Cultural Development branch is central in the transformation of the arts and culture sector known as the Cultural and Creative
Industry. The organisations in this industry are concentrated in three provinces, namely, Gauteng, Western Cape and KwaZulu-Natal.
Equally, the same trend holds for sector companies in these provinces. There are about 2 400 companies mainly dominated and owned by whites. However, we believe that improved access to funding has also shaped ownership patterns whereby in many rural provinces black ownership of businesses is above 50%.
This improved ownership is confirmed by research results of the SA
Cultural Observatory, SACO, in partnership with the Department of
Arts and Culture. The challenge remains that of ensuring the gender balance in the area of business ownership because the industry is still dominated by males. Indeed, the national picture indicates that overall black ownership in the industry is 52%.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 10 The Mzansi Golden Economy, MGE, remains a strategic programme for funding within the sector. The programme will continue to intensify the realisation of the departmental objectives of job creation, content development and human capital development in the sector. The three work streams that important here in this area are: Cultural
Events, Touring Ventures, and Public Art.
Contribution to Transformation Framework is one of the main target market priorities the other is the participation, especially by black women, youth and people with disability in the sector. The other is the job creation, the other deals with geographic spread.
This approach directs the funds to the most dedicated people and contributes to their livelihood. For example, arts organisations, community arts centres and professional artists and so on.
On the flagships the department has identified new flagship programmes that will diversify the previous outlook that was largely festivals. This diversifying will include new projects in books, fashion, culinary and other sectors. On the provincial flagships the department will continue to support provincial initiatives to the tune of R36 million as we have been doing by ensuring that each province gets the support which the department has always been doing.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 11 These projects, amongst others include projects like the Kalahari
Desert Festival in the Northern Cape, Mpumalanga Cultural Experience and Isingqisethu Cultural Festival in the Eastern Cape that continues to preserve and promote the beautiful heritage of this country.
On the National Flagship Indoni remains one of the National projects that promote the Indigenous knowledge system of the country as it takes place in all the nine provinces with the main event happening in the KwaZulu-Natal Province.
The other flagships that the Department of Arts and Culture will continue to support are: Cape Town Carnival in the Western Cape
Province; Gauteng Carnival Pale Ya Rona; We can Arts Festival in
Kwa-Mashu Township in KwaZulu-Natal.
All flagships are in line with our mandate of nation-building and social cohesion as they keep coming up with new themes of celebrating the diversity of this country. This work stream supported 119 projects throughout the country to the total value of
R40 million.
The projects supported ranged from literary festival like Tiego
Creative Writers in Limpopo. On human capital development the
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 12 programme supported the Battle of Municipalities, BOM, project that focused in capacitating the young musicians in the value chain of the music industry in the Eastern Cape through workshops.
On fashion, the programme funded the Berlin Fashion Show also in the
Eastern Cape. That is our own Berlin here. The programme will in the current financial year continue to diversify its support of various genres as currently beneficiation has been more biased towards music festivals.
On the touring ventures; the programme supported 78 projects across the country, to the total of R 26 million. Some of these projects were international tours, while others were local. The late Lucky
Dube’s Daughter, Nonkululeko Dube, is among those supported.
She performed with her band in Jamaica at the Rebel Salute Reggae
Festival in honour of her father, telling the South African story and celebrating Reggae music. As a result of the support, she received bookings to perform at a festival in Brazil, at Salvador
Bahia, also in Germany at reggae Jam festival. [Applause.] These deals were concluded while still in Jamaica. And can Miss
Nonkululeko Dube and her manager, Miss Langeni stand up, please.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 13 The aim of the incubator programme is to provide the artists with holistic arts, creative, business training that will propel them to breaking grounds in the industry and also develop models to fully- fledged arts enterprises. To date, the incubator programme of the department has benefited 2 961 young artists who have produced and staged more than 30 new set of productions and have launched cultural enterprises in various disciples.
Phase 2 of the programme is also to open doors of learning to private incubator initiatives. To date, 14 private incubator initiatives have been supported to train young actors, filmmakers, fashion designers, playwrights and media communicators in Gauteng,
Free State, Western Cape, KwaZulu-Natal and Mpumalanga.
On the Living Legends; since the programme was initiated in 2015, the Living Legends have participated in more than 100 public programmes and impacted to more than 2000 participants ranging from
Master Classes, colloquiums, guest lectures and incubator workshops at community art centres and public entities across the country.
They have influenced, shaped and shared their skills, knowledge and
African wisdom largely with the youth. Part of the initiative is to engage the living legends actively in programmes that promote arts culture and heritage development as well as provide opportunities
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 14 for interaction and impart skills, knowledge and experience to younger generations of artists.
The programme is aligned to the Living Heritage Policy which seeks to preserve our living heritage and to create awareness of practices within different generations.
During the 2017-18 financial years, the living legends participated in the Incubator Trade Fair for the inaugural graduating class of the incubator project funded by the department.
We have launched the Living Legends Legacy Trust Endowment Fund to ensure that the legends continue to impart their skills and knowledge to younger generation. [Time expired.] [Applause.]
IsiXhosa:
Nks X S TOM: Sihlalo ohloniphekileyo, Mphathiswa noSekela
Mphathiswa, Malungu ePalamente ahloniphekileyo, amagosa esebe nawamaqumrhu ancedisana nesebe kumsebenzi walo, abaculi, abadlali beqonga, abalinganiswa koomabonakude nakwimifanekiso yobhanya- bhanya, ababhali beencwadi, iimbongi, abazobi nabo bonke abantu abasebenzisana nesebe ukuba lenze umsebenzi walo, ingakumbi abantu abatsha abalikamva lethu bona.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 15 Ndivumeleni ndithi thaca le ngxelo phambi kwenu ebonisa umsebenzi owenziwe liqumrhu lale Palamente elijongene neSebe lobuGcisa neNkcubeko. Lo nyaka uqale kakubi kakhulu kuthi ingakumbi kwicala lobugcisa nenkcubeko. Uqale ngokuthatha amaqhawe ethu. Uqale ngoProfesa Keorapetse Kgositsile alandela amanye amaqhawe kwezobugcisa nenkcubeko. Yanga imiphefumlo yabo ingalala ngoxolo.
Urhulumente wenze isimemezelo sokuba kubhiyozelwe ikhulu leminyaka kaMadiba omde, uNgqolomsila, utata uRholihlahla Mandela nomama uNontsikelelo Sisulu, uMaThole, Mandlangisa, uGqagqane. Aba bantu bobabini ngamagqala omzabalazo wale nkululeko siyixhamlayo namhlanje. Bobabini ngabantu ababezazi ukuba bangoobani na; bafuna ntoni na beyifuna njani na. Zange banqwenele ukuba ngomnye umntu.
Loo nto ithetha ukuba zazi ukuba ungubani na, ingakumbi kulutsha lwethu, ukwenzela ukuba unganqweneli ukuba ube ngomnye umntu. Musa ukufuna ukuba ube ngomnye umntu, yiba nguwe qha uthathe umzekelo omhle komnye umntu. Musani ukufuna ukuba nibengoo-Abama okanye ooMandela kuba soze nibengabo koko thathani umzekelo kuMandela.
Njengesigqeba esijongene neli sebe siye sathatha isigqibo sokuba umsebenzi wethu siwusekelezele phantsi kwala maxwebhu alandelayo:
Khulisa, uphuhlise uze uququzelele ubugcisa nenkcubeko.
Likwagunyazisiwe ukuba lenze njalo kumafa namagugu ethu nanjengoko usitsho uMqulu weNkululeko usithi the...
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 16 English:
The national wealth of our country, the heritage of South
Africans, shall be restored to the people.
IsiXhosa:
Kanti ke noMadiba ngokwakhe xa kwakubhiyozelwa inyanga yamagugu namafa ethu wayichaphazela le nto eRobben Island ngowe-1997 ehambisa esithi:
English:
I affirming a joint heritage in this place we are reminded that
our noble ideals were spent on even more by their long denial that
today’s unity is a triumph over yesterday’s division and the
opportunity to ensure that our institutions reflect history in a
way that respects the heritage of all our citizens.
IsiXhosa:
Isebe eli liyawenza umsebenzi walo kodwa sinezinto esiziqwalaseleyo nanjengo besihleli nalo. Ezingxoxweni zethu siwuxoxile umba ochaphazela abadlali bemiboniso yeqonga, abadlali bemiboniso bhanya- bhanya naboomabonakude ingakumbi kwiingozi abathi bazifumane begaxeleka kuzo ngamanye amaxesha. Engqondweni yam kufika isehlo sika-Odwa Shweni osishiye kabuhlungu phantsi kweemeko zomsebenzi.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 17 Siyalibongoza ke ngoko isebe ukuba lincedisane neemvumi, abadlali beqonga, abemiboniso bhanya-bhanya noomabonakude ukuze babonisane...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member, let me just a take this point of order. What is the point of order?
Ms A STEYN: Chairperson, I am really sorry to stop the member but the member at the back there is taking the video clips since the beginning and I am trying to get your attention to stop the member that I think it is totally out of order.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): No, I have indicated to the member that members cannot take video recordings of the proceedings.
If you require a copy then you can arrange with sound and vision to get a clip of this speech as it is being made. Thank you.
IsiXhosa:
Nks X S TOM: Makuboniswane ukuze abadlali babenenxaxheba abayithathayo ingakumbi kwezi ngxoxo zikhoyo kule Mithetho isaYilwayo ye...
English:
... Performers Protection Amendment Bill [B24] of 2016 and Copyright
Amendment Bill [13] of 2017.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 18 IsiXhosa:
Sifuna ukuba isebe lincedise abadlali bethu ukwenzela ukuba baqonde ukuba ithini eyabo indima ekufanele ukuba bayidlale. Siyayibongoza kakhulu loo nto leyo ukuba yenziwe kulo nyakamali sime kuwo.
Siwakhele umkhanya amaqumrhu angasebenzi kakuhle njengoko isebe linamaqumrhu amanzi nanjengoko sidla ngokwenza. Asikwazanga ukuba siwajonge onke kodwa sikwazile ukuba sijonge la sinexhala ngawo kuba engenzi kakuhle.
English:
Those agencies are Performing Arts Centre of the Free State PACOFS,
Pan South African Language Board, PanSALB, National Arts Council of
South Africa.
IsiXhosa:
Sibenazo iingxoxo nazo kwaye ziyavela kwingxelo yethu. Kwakhona kwinkqubo yokuqala apha esebeni siyabona ukuba isebe lilungiselela iphulo lokuqasha abantu abaliqela kwaye siyile komiti siyayibethethela into yokuba xa kuqashwa makuqashwe abantu abanezakhono zokusebenza. Iba lusizi into yokuba athi umntu ngoku sele eqashiwe kunyanzeleke ukuba aphinde aye kuqeqeshwa kwakhona.
Siyacela ukuba xa kuqashwa makuqashwe abantu abanezakhono.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 19 Inkqubo yesibini ifumene ama-32,2 ekhulwini kwimali ibiyifumene kunyaka ophelileyo. Kufanelekile ukuba kubenjalo xa sijongile kuba undoqo womsebenzi weli sebe ulapha kwesi sigaba sesibini kule nkqubo. Ixhala lethu siyiKomiti yeMicimbi yeSebe ye...
IsiXhosa:
... siyakholelwa kwinto yokuba kuba sikunyaka wokugqibela kwesi sigaba sifanele ukuba sikhe sime nje umzuzwana nokuba ungubani na sikhe sijonge indima engasemva esiyenzileyo. Kuyafuneka ngamanye amaxesha ukuba ubenguthekwane, uthi ndimhle ngapha, ndimbi apha ndoniwe yile ndawo. Utsho oku ube unyanisekile. Akunakuthethwa into inye oko kwangama-2014 kodwa wena uqhubeke uyenza le nto ngolu hlobo lunye. Awukwazi ukwenza into ngendlela enye uze ulindele iziphumo ezahlukileyo. Awukwazi, ukuba ayilungi lento kuyanyanzeleka ukuba utshintshe indlela owenza ngayo izinto ukwenzela ukuba kulunge izinto. Siyalibongoza ukuba isebe lenze loo nto kodwa ke siyavuya ukuba uMlawuli-jikelele usixelele ukuba basungule ikomiti neSebe lemiSebenzi yoLuntu apho baza kujonga ukuba masebenza njani na.
Siyayivuyela ke loo nto kuba besele nditshilo ukuba awunakwenza into inye oko uze ulindelele iziphumo ezahlukileyo.
Siyabulela kakhulu ekomitini Mphathiswa nakuwe Sekela Mphathiswa nasemagoseni. Sibamba ngazibini naphaya kumlawuli-jikelele kuba besimtsalela umnxeba nasebusuku sifuna ulwazi oluthile. Kumaqumrhu
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 20 asebenzisana nesebe sibulela kakhulu ngomsebenzi eniwenzayo kaloku sitsho yonke imihla ukuba nenza umsebenzi wokunikela eluntwini.
Siyayazi ukuba akukho nanto eniyifumanayo ngalo msebenzi niwenzayo nangona nithe gqolo niwenza ngenxa yoluntu loMzantsi Afrika.
Siyabulela kakhulu. [Kwaqhwatywa.]
Setswana:
Rre M W RABOTAPI: Modulasetilo wa Ntlo, ke rata go simolola ka go romela matshediso go malapa a bagaka bao ba re tlogetseng go simolola mo tshimologong ya ngwaga ono, mme ke re a mewa ya bona e robale ka kagiso.
English:
Today, as we sit here and deliberate, marks another financial year end and the beginning of another. This is an annual practice that helps us to look back and determine whether the taxpayer’s monies are well and fully accounted for. Whether we are all learning something out of this is another question. To some it is about showing how much power they have without providing a solution to the continuous challenges that are facing the Department and its entities.
It is unacceptable the way some entities take their responsibilities for granted, and as they continue to play politics with their
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 21 positions due to infighting and forgetting the mandate that they were given by the Department of Arts and Culture. The department should manage relations between management, councils and entities by monitoring them closely to know their challenges on time as these could impact negatively on the budgeting outcomes.
Hon Minister, this house needs to be cleaned and it needs your attention. Although, it seems as though you are doing something about the challenges in your department; it is important that you deal with the rot as soon as possible, for the sake of the young and upcoming artists.
Hon Minister, I know how hands-on you are and how much you love and devote your time to the arts, however Minister, there are concerns about more doors of opera houses being closed down due to a lack of funding. I would like to encourage the Minister and the officials to visit these events or some of the concerts and you will see that any notions of this art-form being Eurocentric or elitist have long since been dispelled. Opera is current. Opera is real. Recently we learned that another opera company, Gauteng Opera, and the Dance
Umbrella Festival of Johannesburg are closing their doors.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 22 At the moment many young, mostly black singers are concerned about this. In many countries opera survives because of financial support from their governments and because of private sponsors.
There is an untapped opportunity to create many jobs in the performing arts sector, especially opera. To sustain an opera company means providing work to singers, orchestral musicians, costume designers and outfitters, lighting crews and carpenters.
Hon House Chair, it is clear that the budget of this Department is not enough to deal with these challenges. We need future Sibongile
Khumalo’s and Pretty Yende’s.
The department has often spoken about artists that are placed in schools. I have visited a number of schools in my province, North
West, and I still have to come across one of those artists. Maybe it is about time that we are provided with a list of schools where these artists will be found.
House Chair, there is also a growing concern regarding libraries in rural areas including Community Arts Centres. These institutions are very important in rural areas especially when one looks at the rate that young people migrate to towns for the sole purpose of being able to access centres of this nature.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 23 It is very important for this department to always remember the commitment that it made through the following outcomes: Improved quality of basic education; Decent employment through inclusive economic growth; A skilled and capable workforce to support an inclusive growth path; Vibrant equitable and sustainable rural communities with food security for all; and, Create a better South
Africa and contribute to a better Africa and a better world to mention but a few.
To achieve these we need a better budget to create and embrace the
DA’s ideals of freedom, fairness and opportunity for all. I thank you. [Applause.]
Mr L G MOKOENA: Chair, The department of Arts and Culture WAS PART
OF THE delegation that penned down a document called the Nairobi
Plan of Action, in 2005. The document was cogent in giving direction to the continent in terms of arts and culture and how it can assist in social cohesion ... [Interjections.]
THE HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member, can you just hold please. Hon members, there is discussions at the back that I can clearly pick up and it makes it difficult to follow the speaker on the podium. Can you just keep your voices down please?
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 24 Mr L G MOKOENA: the resolutions of that document have not been implemented by this department even though it was part of the delegation. Then the department also had its own document called The
1996 White Paper which became a white elephant because non of the resolutions of those policies were implemented by the ruling party until 2016 when it drafted a new White Paper which it white paper which was aligned to the National Development Plan, NDP,. The NDP has a lifeline up until 2030. The new White Paper is six years late into that NDP programme. It now has 12 years left. If history is anything to go by we would not achieve any of those resolutions of that policy document.
the reason why this happening – the reason why the department is not achieving anything is because the ANC does not take the arts and culture industry seriously. That department is a dumping ground.
When ANC doesn’t know what do to with their leaders they dump them in that department. And it started with uTata Nelson Mandela, may his soul rest in peace. When uTata led South African Government of
National Unity ... [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order, hon members. Hon
Mokoena, let me just take hon Paulsen.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 25 Mr N PAULSEN: Chairperson, I think you are not protecting our member by silencing the crowd over there. They can go make noise outside.
Hon MEMBERS: Howling.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order, hon members.
Interjections are allowed but as long as the interjection does not disrupt the proceedings in the House. If you do interject, let us not make it prolonged interjections. Continue hon Mokoena.
Mr L G MOKOENA: ... when uTata had the Government of national Unity, when he didn’t know what to do with Ben Ngubane, he dumped him in the Department of Arts and Culture. When ANC didn’t know what to do with uMama Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, when they were sabotaging her and sidelining her they put her in arts and culture. The list is long Lulu Xingwana, Paul Mashatile and even Paolo Jordan when Thabo
Mbeki didn’t know what to do with him he dumped him the arts and culture. And this is not to cast aspersions on you hon Minister, it is the attitude of the ANC. It looks at the industry as the dumping ground. So, it is not led by people who understand the industry and what it should.
They would understand that it is about events, it is not about funding events and holidays, they would know that when we speak of a
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 26 culture of learning the department should be taking charge, it should be leading the charge. When we speak of the culture of healthy living it should be leading the charge. It should be given the direction in terms of the architecture of the country ...
[Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Mokoena please hold on,
I want to recognise the member over there. Why are you rising hon member?
Mrs M R M MOTHAPO: Chairperson, I would like to know if hon Mokoena would like to take a question.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Mokoena, are you prepared to take a question?
Mr L G MOKOENA: Mam, I have a lot to talk about. We will discuss it afterwards. Thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): The hon is not prepared to take a question. Continue hon member.
Mr L G MOKOENA: ... so when you fly into Johannesburg or Durban, the architecture of the country should tell you that you are in a new
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 27 continent. It should tell us that you are in Africa. Today, we are still colonised aesthetically because - you could be in Bali, you could in some Tashkent country because our architectures speak of those countries.
We spoke about language the last time I was speaking, there is no institution of higher learning for whom there is the medium of instruction is our indigenous language, none. We are not teaching
Maths and Science in our indigenous language so that they become accessible to our people. We spoke about this the last time. But we cannot achieve that any of these things because the department cannot even put together the board of Pan South African Language
Board, PanSalb, or the board of National Arts Council of South
Africa, it can’t do the fundamental things. Because this is a dumping ground ... This speaks to social cohesion. Social cohesion speaks about the society and forward mobility. We should be reconstructing society so that it is geared towards the new democracy that we are in now.
That is how you create the creative economy that we always speaking about. The creative economy is about creating that ecology - that relationship between society, the creative society and the economy.
And we are not doing that, we are simple following when there is an event, we are funding. When there is a holiday, we come out, when
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 28 there is a funeral that is when we come out. We are not proactive, we are not creating an economy.
There are some fundamental things that need to be done hon Minister.
We need to regulate the industry. The protection Bill is nowhere regulating the labour relations within an artist’s life. That is a fundamental thing that we need to do.
We need to now go on a programme of giving the tools of production to normal people so that ... [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order, hon members.
Mr L G MOKOENA: ... we should be giving the means of production to our people so that a young boy who is sitting in some corner in the
Eastern Cape or wherever ... they can go to a studio and they would be provided with. [Time Expired] Thank you very much Chair.
Mr J A ESTERHUIZEN: House Chair, hon Minister and Deputy Minister, although the government states that it values the contribution of cultural industry to the national economy, not enough is being done to recognise these creative industries as core of the creative economy.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 29 The hon President said very recently stated that, “Heritage sites and national monuments have cultural significance and value because of their importance ... [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Esterhuizen, I just want to take a point of order there from the hon Minister.
The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND TRAINING: Chairperson, we are very keen to hear the members, but if they don’t speak into the microphone is very difficult to hear.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): I think you got the message hon Esterhuizen.
Mr J A ESTERHUIZEN: ... The President said very recently “Heritage sites and national monuments have cultural significance and value because of their importance to a community in revealing a pattern of
South Africa’s history”.
The sad reality is that most heritage sites in this country are in a state of near collapse. Our municipalities are not maintaining heritage sites within their boundaries. This department was embarrassed recently with the passing of the hon late Ms Winnie
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 30 Mandela when it was found that huge amounts of money were disbursed to mainatain her house in Brandford and no work was ever done.
Is it not the Committee of the Department of Arts and Culture,
DAC,’s mandate to do oversight and ensure that this country’s heritage sites are protected for future generations?
Honourable Chair, it is common knowledge that we have an economy which maintains its weak levels of economic growth. The growth initiative of South Africa has identified the creative industry as one of the drivers of sustainable economic opportunities and live hoods, for local communities mostly in rural areas, whilst expanding business opportunities for small, medium and micro enterprises.
To this department’s credit, public libraries in this country have taken major steps in transformation but still have a huge task and role to play in assisting people as both sources of knowledge and information as well as supporting literacy.
Our poor especially in rural areas do not have the financial resources to buy computers and such, but they have the same need to access of information as any other citizen and this remains a major key to personal development and improvement of
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 31 social economic, technical and scientific skills.
This must be one of the corner stones of this department to build inequality through a sufficient and competent library system.
Although progress has been made, most libraries are still mostly largely euro-centric in their book offering. How long will it take for the DAC to ensure ordinary South Africans can read about their own heritage in our libraries, Hon Minister?
To broaden the base of arts and culture to embrace the culture of all in this country, this department requires not only the financial assistance through this budget process, but also very importantly the skills and management to prevent irregular, fruitless and wasteful expenditure. The IFP supports this budget vote. I thank you.
Sesotho:
MOTLATSA LETONA: Ha ke nke monyetla ona, ke o leboha Motsamaisi wa mosebetsi.
English:
Minister Mthethwa and all the Ministers present here, the
Chairperson of the Portfolio Committee on Arts and Culture, Mme Tom, hon Members of Parliament and all our visitors. In this Budget Vote
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 32 for 2018, I pay tribute to Mama Winnie, a former Deputy Minister of
Arts and Culture. [Applause.]
We also pay homage to the Centenary celebrations of both Mama Sisulu and Tata Mandela as we obligate ourselves to their selfless commitment and dedication to a better life for all South Africans.
Yes, at last year’s Budget Vote, we had made our own commitments to the people of South Africa. Our honest question is posed today: Have our programmes been implemented effectively to have made any visible impact in our communities?
As you know that each and every year we come here, as correctly mentioned by one Member of Parliament, we do make commitments and this is time for us to look back and see whether we really did implement some of those commitments that we made. After seeing many destabilising flash points that continued to jeopardise the stability of our nation, our department had seen the need to seek for a more strengthened moral regeneration movement to make our nation stronger together.
We are happy to announce that indeed, Cabinet had since approved for a new board to be appointed, which the Minister did. It is led by the two patrons - Archbishop Makgoba and the Deputy President of the
Republic - to solicit more support for the moral regeneration
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 33 movement. The youth sector was made and it still is the core focal point for maximum service delivery through the projects/programmes of bursaries in the language field, internship, The Young Patriots
Programme, National Language Services, Annual Archives and Library
Awareness National Week campaigns.
All these programmes are a call for youth empowerment, cultural tolerance, diversity and coexistence amongst South Africans. Indeed, these programmes seek to remove barriers of youth unemployment and to overcome is-station, obstacles, obstruction and misunderstandings. For example, 79 interns have already been placed in the department, and a further 24 will be taken in for this financial year 2018-2019.
We have also made every effort throughout the past financial 2017-
18, to not only visit as many schools as possible, but also in the process, to empower the youth to lead in these efforts of preservation of societal memory through the annual archives week, oral history programmes, back-to-school campaigns.
We visited engaged, distributed educational gifts and hoisted flags at various schools throughout the country. Just to mention a few:
Alfred Stamper Primary School, here in the Western Cape, in
Zwelethemba; Vulamasango High School, in the Free State, in
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 34 Kagisanong; Matshediso Intermediate School in the rural community of
Smithfield, in the Free State; and Xunkhwesa Combined School in the rural community of the Northern Cape. Those are just a few as there are number of schools that are in line of getting opportunities to host these flags.
On Monday this week already, 7 May 2018, at Mangaung Primary School, we have started in earnest with our 2618-2019 programme of ensuring that the profession of archiving is popularised amongst the learners, and that communities are constantly engaged on the importance of good record keeping practices. Our communities must be allowed to access the archival buildings for them to witness archival functions and services.
Unlike what we came across, ...
IsiXhosa:
Xa umntu elivila, ...
Sesotho:
O bone hore o botswa, o a robala, o fihla ka mora nako mosebetsing,
...
English:
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 35 And then we say: ...
Sesotho:
Ha re mo nke re mo ise polokelong ya direkoto a ilo robala teng!
English:
It then means that we are not taking the issues of archives very serous in some of the municipalities. [Applause.]
The centenary celebrations and related exhibitions of Tate Madiba and Mama Sisulu will be showcasing the different records preserved by the National Archives and Records Service of South Africa,
Narssa. Also, the renovated Old Library Building will soon be handed over to the Department of Arts and Culture to preserve archival records that are 20 years old. Some of this information is now being digitalised in collaboration with the French Institute of National
Archiving, Ina, including the Rivonia Trial.
We are happy to announce that these sound recordings of the Rivonia
Trial are now available to listen to on the National Archives website, which is www.nationalarchives.gov.za [Applause.] You have an opportunity of listening to the entire Rivonia Trial that happened in 1963. This is truly befitting because exactly today,
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 36 Madiba delivered his first ever inaugural speech as the first democratically elected President of the Republic of South Africa, after decades of racist oppression. [Applause.]
Admittedly though, we can still do more in the co-operation and co- ordination of these programmes between our department and the
Department of Basic Education at provincial levels. In this instance, the National Library of South Africa, NLSA, has been commissioned to draft a national policy on library and information services that will guide the Ministers of Arts and Culture and Basic
Education on how to administer these libraries. This draft policy is now complete and will soon be presented to the relevant clusters and to Cabinet for approval. Minister Naledi Pandor, it will go to the
Cabinet; we need that support.
In the meantime, we are happy to inform the public that 27 new libraries have already been constructed during this past financial year, and 10 of these libraries were modular facilities which are placed closed to schools. [Applause.] This will ensure that school children are able to use these libraries. Library users with visual impairment also have access to library and information services through partnership with the South African Library for the Blind, currently the only library for the blind in the African continent.
It is here in South Africa.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 37 For the 2018 Medium Term Expenditure Framework, MTEF, R4,7 billion is already set for the Community Library Conditional Grant services.
And, for this financial year, 2018-2019, 29 new libraries will be built while 45 existing libraries will be revamped or refurbished in our communities.
There will be a feedback meeting on how African countries are implementing the Cape Town Declaration. The Ministry of Arts and
Culture will host a follow-up ministerial meeting with African ministers responsible for arts and culture as well as heritage from
5-6 July 2018.
The cooperation between our department and that of Basic Education, as well as other sister departments, is fundamental because our mandate, Outcome 14, is entwined or crossing over to many departments. Rightfully so though, issues of land, unemployment and health must take centre stage in our debates in this Parliament. I know that there are not many people keen about issues of land but they unfortunately need to be divided.
Notwithstanding, more telling was the simple message from the
President’s 2018 State of the Nation Address, which said and I quote, “Thuma mina”,that took the country and its media by storm.
You are alt invited to revisit the lyrics of a great song by our
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 38 late icon, Bra Hugh Masekela. The message of this song is a vivid confirmation that the arts and culture sector contribute to all these centre-stage debates, and we must then continue to assert this department’s great importance to the nation.
This means that the arts, culture and heritage sector must be for everyone. We must jealously guard against this sector becoming the privilege of the few. It must be a right for all. That is why we will ensure that we continue responding decisively to the calls from the communities of Bumbane in the Eastern Cape, Gxwederha,
Brandfort, Siyabuswa, Khayelitsha, Ntaba—ka-Ndoda, and indeed calls from the still excluded community art sectors such as roadies, fashion, film, dance, theatre, etc. You know that the portfolio committee knows what I am talking about.
Minister, thank you very much for revising the Mzansi Golden Economy
Fund in order to streamline access to finance unto our artists and arts organisation, for the sustainability of their livelihood. If you don’t understand how this funding is going to work or what it is intended for: It is an intervention fund.
For instance, if you are a young person and have been invited to any
American or African state to showcase your profession or whatever you are doing, that is of interest to the country, but you can’t
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 39 travel to that destination due to lack of funds and due to high requirements in some of our entities, like the NAC, then we are saying this is the fund that is available to you in order to be able to travel to those countries as said. [Applause.]
We had already started working with community creatives at all levels of this sector. We had supported the Khayelitsha Festival, as the Minister has said. Just yesterday, we visited the Zwelethemba community here in Worcester, in the Western Cape. We committed to several community projects that include the revamp of their multipurpose centre to include an arts centre.
On these young people and women who approached us yesterday, doing their art work at the backyards, others in small shacks, we say: Let us make sure that we assist the arts centre in order for it to then be able to accommodate these young people, where to do their artwork. I have seen those artworks, Minister. I bought some. I didn’t buy them because I needed them; I just wanted to boost the economy of these young people.
We have also started to engage with different structures and individuals, such as the Crafters and National Dance and Theatre
Steering Committee, a steering committee established to assist the
Minister in delivering prompt service to these art genres. All these
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 40 endeavours must be seen as socio economic projects, that if properly managed, can also deliver continuing streams of revenue for economic development in our communities.
Notwithstanding, the biggest problem of all that can erode or destroy the above-mentioned successes and planned interventions is simply human neglect - the failure to act promptly when the execution of our mandate is in danger. Therefore, I agree with the portfolio committee that in some instance we have good intentions as the department but when it comes to the real implementation of those intentions, then we have a problem with some within the system.
Grand and glossy annual performance plans cannot guarantee service delivery to our people. Delegated people need to recognise value and maintain diligence in order for the Department of Arts and Culture to succeed. Therefore, the department can only survive and prosper by ability, patriotism, passion and professionalism of its human capital.
In conclusion, I would like to affirm the common knowledge that says:
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 41 When more children get access to the joy of arts, it will not be
the art alone they will learn. They will have the art of living,
thinking and creating. [Applause.]
Before I say thank you Chair, if I have a minute or two, I would just like to respond on the issue of dumping Members of Parliament or cadres of the movement in departments like this one. Minister, I remember when I was approached by the President, telling me that I am coming to Arts and Culture, it was after my visit to four if not five prisons in the country.
When I raised my concerns to the President that most of those prisoners were young people, he said to me perhaps it is about time that we deploy people who will be vibrant and make sure that we change the mindset of the young people. That is the moral regeneration! He said:
I am moving you out of the police. I am putting you to Arts and
Culture so that you can go out there and address them on moral in
order for them to shift away from committing criminal activities.
[Applause.]
Thank you very much! [Applause.]
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 42 Mnu N L S KWANKWA: Deputy Minister ...
IsiXhosa
... uNtabakandoda ligama likatata.
English:
Chairperson and hon members ...
IsiXhosa:
Mphathiswa, masiqale sithi, uyayazi ngela xesha lakudala uMzantsi
Afrika usemtsha ...
English:
... one of the things that used to happen during the celebration of national days was that we would showcase our cultural diversity
IsiXhosa:
...apho uyakubona abantu bedanisa koomabonakude, kubukelwe nabantu boMzantsi Afrika indlela abadanisa ngayo ukuze bakwazi ukubona umdaniso wezinye iintlanga, umzekelo, uMtswane. Ngoku siboniswa abantu bezopolitiko esibabona imihla nezolo besikruqula.
English:
The UDM supports this Budget Vote.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 43 Afrikaans:
Ja, eendrag maak mag is nie sommer net woorde nie. Dit is ’n kragtige konsep wat juis vandag geld. Wanneer ons saamstaan is ons sterker.
English:
The first and most important priority in your 10-Point Plan,
Minister, is accelerating and amplifying nation-building and social cohesion. In another words, unlike the apartheid regime that had an exclusionary approach to nationalism, this democratic government has a responsibility to build a diverse, socially cohesive society with a common national identity.
In this regard, this government has to work hard to build a South
Africa in which our people live together in harmony with a sense of belonging where they participate in building their communities and our nation.
However Minister, we must admit that social cohesion will remain a pipedream so long as our people continue to withstand the most with regard to the triple challenges of poverty, unemployment and inequality. In fact, it is the failure of government to deal decisively with these challenges that has deepened societal divisions over the past few years, which have caused South Africa’s
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 44 miracle transition to democracy in 1994 to start losing its shine in the eyes of our people.
Our nation’s unity is coming apart at the seams due to poor service delivery and the failure by government to treat education and basic healthcare as the critical pathways to development. I remember
Umsholozi ...
IsiXhosa:
... ngokuya besithe makaphume ...
English:
... he made a very important statement in 2019 stressing the importance of the role of education ...
IsiXhosa:
... ekukhupheni abantu ...
English:
... out of poverty. He said” it serves as an important ladder out of poverty”.
IsiXhosa:
Loo nto ayitshintshi ukuba yinyaniso kuba yayithethwe nguye.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 45 English:
One of the most important strategic objectives of this department as outlined, once again, in your 10-Point Plan is to ensure that school curriculum teaches correct South African heritage and history. While much has been achieved in so far as this matter is concerned, we cannot build cohesive societies when the perception out there still exist that the history our children are taught at school is based less on the factual understanding of the past, but more on the historical narrative that is shaped by the ruling elite whose intention is to glorify its leaders, while maximising the role of other struggle icons.
Not enough, for instance, in our history is told about icons such as
Mangaliso Sobukhwe and other struggle icons. The Khoi people continue to feel marginalised more that 20 years into our democracy.
Without justifying, Minister, his racist policies or that of his government, which caused untold damage to our people, we cannot change the fact that General Jan Smuts played a leading role both in the formation and establishment of the United Nations and the
Commonwealth of Nations. Our children deserve to know that aspect of history both the good and bad. By acknowledging the good parts of history and the good contributions of leaders from across the political spectrum, while loathsomely rejecting the negatives ...
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 46 IsiXhosa:
Liphelile ngoku ndiqalayo? Bendingekafiki ke Mphathiswa bendiseza kodwa khanikhabe niqhuba. [Kwaphela ixesha.]
Afrikaans:
Mnr W W WESSELS: Agb Voorsitter, een van die belangrike take van hierdie departement is nasiebou en sosiale kohesie. Die vraag is of die departement en die regering hiermee slaag.
Indien ons na baie Suid-Afrikaners se optrede en gedrag teenoor mekaar op ’n daaglikse basis op sosiale media en elders kyk, dan is die antwoord helder en duidelik nee. Ons sal moet kyk hoekom dit die geval is. Hoekom faal die regering met nasiebou?
Baie gemeenskappe voel uitgesluit en gemarginaliseerd. Nasiebou kan nie deur wette afgedwing word nie. Nasiebou moet vrywillig geskied en uit die hart uitkom.
Die regering se resep vir nasiebou is verkeerd. Ons ploeter van een sportbyeenkoms na die volgende, van een vakansiedag na die volgende, en ons erken nie werklik diversiteit in Suid-Afrika nie. Ons praat daaroor en ons noem in toesprake hoe vereenig ons in diversiteit is, maar verstaan ons dit werklik?
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 47 As ons gaan kyk na ander lande waar nasiebou wel slaag, dan is ’n goeie voorbeeld Ethiopië, hier in Afrika. As u gaan kyk waar elke taalgroep in Ethiopië wel erkenning geniet, waar hulle moedertaalonderrig ontvang en waar elke kultuur en gemeenskap wel ’n plekkie in die son het, dan werk daardie resep. Dit is dieselfde met
Switserland.
Artikel 6(2) van ons Grondwet bepaal dat, aangesien tale historiese inkorting gekied het, moet die regering praktiese en daadwerklike maatreëls daarstel om die status van tale te verhoog en hul gebruik te bevorder. Gebeur dit? Ek dink nie so nie.
Ons het 11 amptelike tale, maar ons het nie eintlik nie. Ons het
10 amptelike tale en een super-taal. Wanneer daar oor taalbeleide van universiteite gepraat word, word daardie universiteite slegs vir
Engels ... Daar word nie bygevoeg, wat van die ander inheemse tale nie? Wat van ons ander tale in Suid-Afrika?
Moedertaalonderrig moet as ’n prioriteit gesien word. ’n Wen resep is waar diversiteit erken word. Ons kan nie net van een sportbyeekoms en van een vakansiedag, wat ons as nasiebou beskou, aanploeter nie. Ons moet werklik as Suid-Afrikaners gaan kyk hoe ons mekaar se diversiteit kan verstaan en erken. Elkeen in hierdie land se erfenis moet erkenning geniet. Daar moet bygevoeg word en nie
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 48 weggevat word nie. Dieselfde met taal, dieselfde met erfenis — die erfenis terrein. Ons moet eerder bysit as wat ons wegvat. Ek dank u.
Ms S P TSOLELI: Chairperson, allow me to pay tribute to all the heroes and heroines in the arts sector, especially our legends Bra
Hugh Masekela and Ray Chikapha Phiri. Their contribution to this industry is equal to none. When Politicians were silenced these legends and many more who are living, such as musicians and poets, carried out the message of hope inside and outside South Africa that one day we will be freed from the clutches of apartheid.
We applaud the department for launching the Living Trust Endowment
Fund. This initiative will not only increase economic support to the legends but it will also restore their dignity.
The Department of Arts and Culture play oversight role on 26 public entities. It has ensured that all those entities have complied with the submission of their Annual Performance Plan, APP, timeously. As the portfolio committee we satisfied ourselves that indeed those APP are aligned to the key priorities programmes and projects of the 10
Point Plan of the Department of Arts and Culture.
We further analysed that whether their programme of action is structured against their strategic outcome orientated goals but
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 49 importantly whether they are aligned to the National Development
Plan, NDP, particularly chapter 15, that mandate the department and its entities to integrate, arts, culture, language and heritage into all sectors of national life.
Eighty percent of the total Budget of the department is allocated to the entities. In 2014, the Portfolio Committee on Arts and Culture after interrogating the Annual Reports of different entities took a decisive resolution that it will pay more attention on the entities that had red flags as per the findings of the Auditor-General. We then identify that the following entities: Pan South African
Language Board, Pansalb; Performing Arts Centre of the Free State;
Nelson Mandela Museum; National Arts Council; Ditsong Museum and
Freedom Park.
The major reason was also to oversee the reasons why these entities fail to discharge their mandates as per the legislations of
Parliament. We made it clear to them that it is not about us or them, its all about our people especially the artists whether if they do get value for money that is appropriated by this Parliament to these different entities.
Let me first start with Pansalb, this board was established in order to promote multilingualism, to develop official languages and to
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 50 protect language rights in South Africa. I must stress for all to understand the importance of this board. It is the only chapter one institution established by the founding provisions of the constitution of the Republic of South Africa. Therefore, it is paramount that governance and management of this institution is not compromised because of issues that are not of strategic importance.
I am raising his matter because our findings as a portfolio committee when we were doing oversight were all about the attitudes of stake holders in that institution. Nevertheless I can boldly report that the institution has improved very well in the previous financial year due to the appointment of a Chief Executive Officer,
CEO, who had the love of language development and we hope the current development that are in that institution should be resolved speedily. We don’t want to see that institution reversing the strides that they have already made in the previous financial year.
The second institution we visited was Performing Arts Centre,
Pacofs, of the Free State.
IsiXhosa:
Hayi ke kuyo sisaxovula udaka nanamhlanje.
English: 15:16:14
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 51 In our findings when we visited Pacofs, we find that artists do not get value in that institution. It is a fact that Pacofs does not perform its mandate as per the legislation. There is absolutely no development of artists at all. What we do is just to pay salaries.
That institution has leadership crisis, both in the board and management. The situation in that entity has direct indictment to whether the department does monitoring and evaluation of the performance of its institution. We therefore request the executive authority of the Department of Arts and Culture to take decisive and hard decision to restore the dignity of that institution.
We are happy that Nelson Mandela Museum and the Freedom
Park after we visited them to do our oversight role, they heeded the call and rectify all issues that we raised in our findings. I must highlight that these institutions are very critical because they are the direct legacy of the democratic government.
I could go on with all the entities, but due to the limited time I must not hesitate also to all give praise to other entities that are performing very well with the transformation agenda of our government especially on the outcome 14 of Social Cohesion and
Nation Building.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 52 Let me invite all South Africans to visit the War Museum of the Boer
Republic Bloemfontein which will be soon known as the South African
War Museum. The institution has embarked on a transformation agenda of rectifying the wrong history that was told about the war. South
Africans need to know that Africans fought hand in hand with the
Afrikaners in that war. Many of our people especially women and children perish in that war. We are happy that the department has erected a wall of remembrance in honour of those African and
Afrikaner women and children who perished during that war.
As I conclude, the Department of Arts and Culture and its entities need a new cadre of public servants. Public servants who will provide specialised care and support to the artists and public servants who have love of arts and culture sector and not see it as a vehicle for them to get salaries. We urge the executive to reintroduce programs to them that are promoting Social Cohesion and
National Building. The ANC supports the Budget. I thank you.
Xitsonga:
Ms N K BILANKULU: Mutshamaxitulu, Yindlu yo hlawuleka, Holobye wa
Ndzawulo ya Vutshila na Ndhavuko, mupfuni wa n’wina na vaakatiko va
Afrika-Dzonga, ndza mi losa. Muchaviseki Mutshamaxitulu na Yindlu leyo xiximeka, ndzi pfumeleleni ndzi boxa leswaku mina na nhlangano wa mina wa African National Congress hi pfumelelana na mpimanyeto
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 53 lowu wu averiweke Ndzawulo ya swa Vuntshila na Ndhavuko ya tibiliyoni ta mune na mahlanhlanyana. Hambileswi mpimanyeto lowu wu nga hansi eka wa lembeximali leri hundzeke, ha ha ri na ku tshemba leswaku hi mpimanyeto lowu, ha ha ta ya emahlweni hi hluvukisa vutomi bya vaaki na ku va yisela vukorhokeri lebyi ringaneke.
Muchaviseki Mutshamaxitulu, njhekanjhekisano lowu wa mpimanyeto wa swa timali wu ta endzhaku ka khume ra masiku hi huma eka n’hweti leyi yi nga khoma matimu ya nkoka wa tiko ra hina, ku nga n’hweti ya
Dzivamisoko, laha ha ha ku vekaka manana wa hina mulwelantshuxeko,
Manana Winnie Madikizela Mandela, Nkulukumba Zola Skweyiya, tinhenha na tinhenhakazi ta tiko ra hina; Albertina Sisulu, Chris Hani,
Oliver Reginald Tambo, Solomon Mahlangu na vanwana. Mimoya ya vona yi nga etlela hi ku rhula. Nakambe, hi n’hweti leyi ya Dzivamisoko tiko ra hina ra Afrika-Dzonga ri kumile ntshuxeko wa rona hi ti 27
Dzivamisoko 1994.
English:
Chairperson, my debate will be focusing on two of the 10-point plan which is heritage promotion and preservation. The programme is responsible for the identification, collection, safeguarding, promotion, transformation, South African Heritage, archives and libraries. The Department of Arts and Culture will continue with the funding of the roll-out of community libraries and archival
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 54 infrastructure designed to preserve national memory, promote, inform, reading and the writing nation. Hon Chairperson, it is also the responsibility of the department that the library conditional grants to be utilized in monitoring, upgrade of libraries, purchase of relevant and needy books and also to improve information and communication technology, ICT, connectivity.
The department will also prioritise the equipment and capabilities to render services for the visually impaired, like the Deputy
Minister, DM, said. Hon Chair, 105 libraries have been built from
2014/15 to 2017/18. The department will also financially support building and revamping of 29 libraries and most of the planned ones are in rural areas. The 29 libraries distributed in all provinces in our country and that shows the commitment by the department in making sure that our mandate as the ANC is taken care of. Hon Chair, the Freedom Charter calls for the doors of learning and culture to be opened. Our late icon, leader and the first black democratically elected President, Tata Nelson Mandela, once said, and I quote:
Education is the most powerful weapon which can be used to change
the world.
Through the community library service grant the department is tasked to transform the landscape of learning by ensuring the provision of
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 55 infrastructure facilities and services primarily targeting previously disadvantaged communities like; Zamani in the Limpopo,
Mary Pebble, MP, Stream Library in Mpumalanga, Impumelelo Library in
Gauteng, Alice in the Eastern Cape, Upington in the Northern Cape,
Bilanyoni in KwaZulu-Natal, Van Standersrus Library in Free State,
Lithabong Library in the North West and Groendal in the Western Cape to name the few. The R4,5 billion is earmarked for this purpose over the medium-term in the public library services sub programme. A key imperative of the community library services grant is the provision of upgrading of public library infrastructure.
To this end, the department plans to build 96 new libraries and upgrade 150 community libraries over the Medium-Term Expenditure
Framework, MTEF, period. In collaboration with the Department of
Basic Education; the department also plans to build 70 dual library service points to support school curricula and enhance learning outcomes. Hon Chair, the Budget allocated for building community libraries is R365 million. The aim of the programme being that of providing library infrastructure that promotes a culture of reading and contributes towards educational outcomes and library services accessible to communities. This is an unquestionable commitment by the department and the government of the African National Congress to overcome the systematic division of apartheid in education and
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 56 reflects the department’s vital role in ensuring that every municipal ward is serviced by a library.
National automated archival information retrieval system will also continue and the budget of R3,5 million has been allocated for that matter. The community libraries grant has employed 1 924 staff on contractual basis to date. Hon Chair, the struggle for freedom and democracy must be documented in all languages where libraries must promote the literacy works of local and African writers because in his words of Isitwalandwe, Nelson Rolihlala Mandela, and I quote:
If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to
his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his
heart.
The use of indigenous languages must be promoted. This must include the urgent inclusion and diversification of statues, places in the union building precinct and other high profile places in order to reflect African history. Hon Chair, the redress and transformation agenda in the heritage sector also include the implementation of legacy projects, transformation of geographical names and reconfiguration of heraldic representation. There have been significant strides in establishing new heritage infrastructure such as the Ncome Museum, the installation of statues of former President
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 57 Nelson Mandela, Nkosi Albert Luthuli and also in addition to that the memorialisation of significant person in South African history such as Lilian Ngoyi, Hellen Joseph and Raheema Moosa was done through his upgrading of their graves. In the words of the former
President, Nelson Mandela, I quote:
Our children are our greatest treasure. They are our future. The
system of apartheid robbed many children of their rights to a
decent education and of the joy of reading. This joy is one that I
have treasured all my life and it is one I wish for all South
Africans.
Through the work of the ANC-led government in prioritising this programmes ... I thank you. [Time expired.] [Applause.]
Dr G A GROOTBOOM: Hon House Chair, I want to take a moment to pass our parties condolences to the well-known educationist and the antiapartheid activist, Prof Graham Block, whose parents were brutally murdered in a house robbery last week.
Looking at the current state of our country and the widening gap of racial disharmony, this quote touches a nerve and it is incumbent on us, as Members of Parliament, to set an example, as our actions and utterances are examples to the public. Mr V Pinchuk said, and I
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 58 quote: “Art, freedom and creativity will change society faster than politics.”
I have to acknowledge our government's funding of cultural festivals across the country. These festivals bridge the cultural divide, as art cuts across cultures and builds social cohesion.
Speaking of social cohesion, the intention of the government is good. However, the government must put more emphasis on the cultures, heritage and histories of the Khoisan communities. We cannot continue to marginalise exhibitions that depict the Khoisan as the first nation of South Africa.
The Department of Arts and Culture has spent a lot of money on conducting nation-building and social cohesion community conversations, but the department is yet to enlighten the committee about the outcomes of these conversations. If these conversations are not bridging the divide between cultural groups, they are sadly in vain.
Our aim is and should remain to bring South Africa together under one national anthem and under one flag. Race relations in South
Africa are in need of a serious makeover. We owe it to our children
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 59 to build on the racial harmony that was displayed by the first democratic Parliament of South Africa.
Currently, only the DA is working to ensure that democracy in South
Africa does not die an untimely death. [Interjections.] We need to restore ... Shut up! [Interjections.] We need to restore the race relations in South Africa, which are being eroded by political figures who utter ...
Ms Z S DLAMINI-DUBAZANA: Hon Chairperson, I rise on Rule 85 – the language that has been used by the member.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (MS Y N PHOSA): Hon Grootboom, can you withdraw those words, please.
Dr G A GROOTBOOM: I withdraw.
We best express ourselves through our language of choice. We find our cognitive base in the tongue of our mothers. Having said that, excluding and vilifying others, based on their language has no place in a democratic South Africa.
The Pan South African Language Board, PanSalb, must come to the party and fight to protect and promote all 11 languages. I would
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 60 like to highlight a case concerning the demonising of Afrikaans through the closing down of Afrikaans schools, as driven by Panyaza
Lesufi. This seems to be driving a wedge between cultural groups.
Hon Minister, the silence of PanSalb who has to drive the language issue, is deafening. I think that PanSalb has no head, nor a board now.
Language must never be used as a tool for exclusion. I acknowledge that this department has created jobs under the Mzansi Golden
Economy programme. However, these jobs are not sustainable. Even though the relief is temporary, it does contribute to poverty alleviation.
When you know the face of poverty, it must be applauded when people are given an opportunity to empower themselves. The department must prioritise sustainable job creation.
A DA government will allocate more funding for the creation of cultural spaces, where the artistic community can have more avenues for expression. This will bring art to communities that cannot afford to go to theatres or concerts.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 61 My colleagues spoke about funding for the art drying up and government giving less funding for operas or so-called Eurocentric cultural expressive nodes.
The DA will look towards tax incentives for companies that donate to the arts. Art can lead the way towards the moral regeneration of our society.
Even though the department has given money for the restoration of our core values and moral fibre, we still do not know whether these programmes have a positive impact on our society.
For a country to flourish in artistic expression, it is important to restore the moral fibre by investing in value-based programmes and to focus on individual responsibility.
Hon Minister, your department has cut down on its key targets from
65 to 38. The targets that have been reduced mostly centre around monitoring, evaluation and accountability. These are the key components of managerial responsibility and accountability for this department, in order to ensure people get value for money and government money is used responsibly.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 62 A DA government will focus on key issues of monitoring and evaluation, to ensure that there is freedom of artistic expression; that there is fairness in the workplace for all; and that there is opportunity, irrespective of political affiliation and diversity, where all are embraced in the true democratic ideal, regardless of race or creed.
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon House Chair, the NFP welcomes the report of the Department of Arts and Culture tabled here today.
Hon Minister, allow me to start off by expressing my disappointment.
Hon Minister, you are one of those who attend Cabinet meetings on this precinct, every Wednesday, if I understand it correctly. You see a plague there that states, Statesman, Warrior, Farmer and you do nothing about it. I remember asking in the condolence motion that we put a statue or plague of the late Winnie Madikizela Mandela. I have even asked that you remove, if necessary, the Botha statue. It would be appropriate to do that under the circumstances.
Yes, indeed, he was a worrier. He worried everybody else that was not white in South Africa. Why should he still be there? He was a farmer that stole our land. Why should he be there? How can we call him a statesman and still leave that statue there? Hon Minister, I am saying that it is time to do something about it. Let’s remove it
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 63 and honour the correct person and that is our late Winnie Mandela who served the country and this world. I think it is time we do that with urgency. [Applause.]
A matter of grave concern to the NFP is the inability of the department to spend the allocated budget. We are calling on the department to basically handle its affairs in a much better manner.
I know that, under the new Ministry, there has been some success and
I am quite certain that, in time, we will be able to achieve that.
One of the challenges we have is that, whilst we have identified that there are weaknesses, and that promises were made and not kept, there are really no consequences for this. There is a repetition year in and year out because there are no consequences. People tend to be making the same mistakes.
We talk about ... With 27% of population unemployment, vacancies exist. We see so many vacancies. I think we need to address it because there are so many vacancies year in and year out, while we have a high unemployment rate. Is there somethinbg that we are not doing correctly that we need to actually change?
We need to also take into cognisance that rightfully speaking, the
Khoi and San people are the indigenous people who rightfully own
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 64 most of the land in the Western Cape and other areas in South
Africa. What repeatedly happens ... I know the Democratic Alliance will never give them their rights, no matter what you do.
[Interjections.] Clearly, they are not going to do that.
In terms of that, there are many heritage sites that government has identified for them. The challenge that we have is that some of these things are already occupied by other businesses. We need you to address that and look into it and do something about that, including the Khoi and San languages that must be recognised. They are the indigenous people of South Africa and we must give them due recognition.
We also think, in honour of them and to recognise them, we are talking about a statue and we are having them all over, we should have one of the Khoi and the San - the very first people that have set foot on this ground. I feel that is the least that we can do to accommodate them.
The Indians that have set foot in South Africa decades ago came in here as labourers. Although there are certain centres, those centres are not effective enough for our people to identify their history, their family and exactly where they come from, so that there can be some co-operation between our people, our forefathers and those
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 65 where we came from. We don’t seem to get that in the centres. There is one in Durban, but it is inadequate.
Maybe we need to look at that and see if we can actually strengthen that, so that we can give more to the people. The Indian community in South Africa, to a large extent, appear to be kept out of the equation for some reason or the other. That is the other issue we have.
I am going to touch on something very important. There is some site very close to the mountains. I think it is Rhodes Memorial. There is some particular business that seems to be occupying that place and when the Khoi and San people want to go there to visit that heritage site, they cannot access it because of a restaurant. The restaurant is Jessica’s restaurant. These people are unable to access that area. We need to deal with that for them. [Interjections.] [Time expired.] The NFP supports the report. We are looking forward to the statue of Winnie Madikizela Mandela to be put on the precinct, in due course. Thank you.
Mr T MAKONDO: Chairperson, Minister, Deputy Minister, Members of
Parliament, fellow South Africans and guests in the gallery, let me first correct very few misinformation which some Members of this
Parliament have said. Let me start with hon Mokoena, the National
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 66 Arts Council, NAC has a board and we miss you hon Mokoena, you must come to the portfolio committee. The other issue relates to PanSALB, the portfolio committee is in the process of appointing the board of
PanSALB. So we welcome you ... [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member let me just take hon Mokoena. Hon member why do you want to be recognised?
Mr L G MOKOENA: No Chair, I didn’t say that the NAC doesn’t have a board. I said we can’t put together a constructive board. That’s what I said.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you hon member. Order hon members! Continue hon member.
Mr T MAKONDO: Thanks Chairperson. The fact that hon Mokoena is on and off camera doesn’t mean that the ANC does not take this department serious – it does take this department very serious.
In 2016 we had an oversight visit in Limpopo, hon Rabotapi was there. He saw some artists but today he selects to forget. It’s fine if he selects to forget but there are artists in schools. The schools that he visited, there might not be artists in those
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 67 specific schools that he visited but that doesn’t mean that artists are not at schools.
Chairperson, I stand here today on the 24th year of our democracy.
Yes, I can proudly say with no fear of contradiction, that as nation we have come a long way and today is better than yesterday and tomorrow will be much better. [Applause.]
This year marks the centenary celebration of President Nelson
Mandela and Umama Albertina Sisulu, and again today marks the inauguration of President Nelson Mandela on the 10 May 1994.
[Applause.] It is the ANC’s view that for a nation building and social cohesion to thrive it is imperative that citizens embrace diversity and accept one another as equals. For a country that has endured over 360 years of systematic exclusion of the indigenous people while the minority groups were indoctrinated with the myth of superiority it is important that there is a space for dialogue, emotional healing and redress. Black majority can not continue to live as visitors in their own country while the settlers live comfortably well, when our black people live without land and opportunities.
South Africa has a long, troubled and divided history. Today, however, our country is a much better place to be than it was before
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 68 1994. No longer do black people have to enter through the back door and no longer does the cruelty of segregation and apartheid dictate our everyday lives. Today, we can all truly and confidently step forward to take our rightful place — as equals before the law.
This right, however, has not come without the collective South
African effort. This right exists because of the selfless acts of bravery of countless men, women and youth, who fought tirelessly to liberate us from economic, political, intellectual and cultural poverty. Yes, this right is one that we have to give gratitude for on a daily basis. It is a sad truth that the legacy of apartheid still exists, in both intangible and tangible forms. However, the
ANC is working with vigour to defend the Freedom Charter and abolish all apartheid obstacles so that we can continue to keep the doors of learning and culture open for every citizen.
The Department of Arts and Culture is at the very core of this idea.
For South Africa to be a successful state we have to build relationships that will bind citizens towards a shared future through its museums, art centres and other entities of various projects of the department.
The department is making significant strides in linking the values of arts, culture and heritage to economic development, nation-
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 69 building and social cohesion. The Mzansi Golden Economy must be supported by both government and Parliament, because its intention is clear, it aims to empower the artists. But this can not be achieved if the copyright amendment Bill is not fast tracked. The copyright amendment Bill is before parliament with the Portfolio
Committee on Trade and Industry and as the Arts and Culture committee we will work with Trade and Industry committee. And yes in passing this budget, it must not be business as usual; the
Department of Arts and Culture must take its rightful place, because it is the custodian of arts, culture and heritage in South Africa.
Our artist cannot continue to die as paupers, while their riches are kept away by collecting societies. Department of Arts and Culture must take part in a process of amending the copyright amendment Bill as the Bill in its current form has ripple effect on the artist. The copyright amendment Bill as it is, artists are saying, will be in contravention of the Constitution particularly Chapter 2 of the
Constitution which is the bill of rights. Yes, as the ANC we will always be with the people and in this case it is the artists. We have heard them, when they said no to single collecting society per sector because that will perpetuate the abuse which our artists are suffering under these collecting societies.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 70 The success of this Bill will ensure that our artists do no die as poor; the ANC will always be on their side. As the ANC government through the Department of Arts Culture we have spent over the medium term, R123 million on Mzansi Golden Econonomy. This is the money that goes directly to the artists through different projects and programmes such as Indoni, Cape Town carnival, Kalahari Desert festival, Maphungubye, Gauteng Carnival Pale ya Rona, Kliptown
Public Art Seminar and many more throughout the country. Yes, all this money goes to ... [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member, I am recognising hon Mokoena. Why are you rising hon member?
Mr L G MOKOENA: I am just checking if the speaker will take a question.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member are you prepared to take a question?
Mr T MAKONDO: No Sir, I will talk to you outside
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): He is not prepared to take a question. [Interjections.] He is not prepared to take a question.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 71 Mr T MAKONDO: I will talk to you outside.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you. Continue hon member.
Mr T MAKONDO: Yes, all this money goes to the pocket of our artist and that’s what the ANC government is doing. As I have said, the ANC will be always be on the side of the artist and make sure that our artists do not die poor. In the year 2017-18 the department spent
R15 million on artists in school programme which hon Rabotapi just said he has never seen. This has created over 700 job opportunities to artists deployed over 300 schools in the country.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member I am just recognising the hon Paulsen.
Mr N PAULSEN: I just want the speaker to ask the speaker if he wil answer the question as to whether the ANC is on the side of Black
Coffee as well having to tour in Israel and perform ... [Inaudible.]
[Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order hon members! Order!
Hon Paulsen, the hon member has not said he will take a question.
Hon member you must now conclude.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 72 Mr T MAKONDO: As the ANC we support this program in this financial year because it creates employment to our artists. In summary, South
Africa’s creative industry contribute R90 billion to the Gross domestic product, GDP which is 2,9% to the GDP surpassing agriculture’s 2,2%’s contribution to the GDP. In short arts, culture and heritage sector play a vital role in SA’s economy and yes as the
ANC we will always support this. Thanks chairperson. [Applause.]
The MINISTER OF ARTS AND CULTURE: Hon Chair and hon members, I want to recognise the recipients of the National Orders of Ikhamanga,
Hotstix Mabuse and Nakedi Ribane, who are here with us today.
[Applause.] Thank you very much. Thank you, chairperson of the portfolio committee. Actually, we have started arranging workshops with regard to the Corporate Bill and others. As it continues, we will start with the launching of Usiba Awards at the end of this month. The issue of the film and TV actors, my colleague Naledi
Pandor is here and will tell you how I push on that matter. It is accepted the occupational and health safety of the actors. The infrastructure would be difficult because it is the purview of the
Department of Public Works. We will continue to engage them, but it is out of our control – I mean that judging arts and culture through the implementation is difficult.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 73 On the Parhof I can see that there is new vigour, we have engaged the entire organisation with the board with a little bit of changing here and there. It will come around. I must remind members that we have 25 entities, Parhof is one of them and most of them are doing very well.
Hon Rabotapi, the issue about operas, our hearts goes out to them because for us all the genres of arts, culture and heritage are important. Here it is a simple question of not having enough finances to finance this one. I know the Gauteng Opera as it were.
On the artist in schools, they are there, but not all schools teach arts. Not all of them. You will only find them where some schools teach arts. The issue of libraries, we are building them.
Hon Mokoena, the last time I heard from you, you were talking about the Art Bank. You made an issue about that. I thought that you were going to come here and say “we have seen progress now”. There is Art
Bank in South Africa, we launched it last year. However, the issues that you are raising are further from the truth that the Department of Arts and Culture has not done anything since 1994. Firstly, we invest in youth through scholarships. We have seven universities here in this country where students are trained in arts and culture to build artists and have skills. We train them through incubators and mentorship programmes. I don’t know whether you know about that.
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 74 We build academies in this country. These academies and all these things including festivals, by the way, are important, and they are playing role in social cohesion. If you say that youth should not be an artist and should not be funded because they have festivals, I think you will share that view yourself. The touring ventures are important and we will continue to fund them because they expose our artists ... [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Minister, let me just recognise hon Mokoena. Why do you want to be recognised, hon member?
Order, hon members!
Mr L G MOKOENA: Not just funding, and not that they must not be funded at all. Thank you very much.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): No, hon member, that is not a point of order. Order! Continue, hon Minister.
The MINISTER OF ARTS AND CULTURE: But, what I can say, all in all, is that thanks to the members of the portfolio committee – all of them across the board - those who are attending, of course, which we have seen from all organisations. I think that our society is surely steadily recognising the fact that arts and culture is key to social
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 75 identity and national identity and ensuring that our country move forward. There are programmes which we will continue to do.
Hon Shaik Emam, the issue about the Khoi and San is taken, but it is not that the government is not doing anything about it. There are programmes of government where Khoi and San language is used which we have started and we can still do more. The Coat of Arms of this very Republic recognised the foremost indigenous people in this country, which is the Khoi and the San. Therefore, I invite you.
Where is the hon Shaik?
IsiZulu:
Usehambile? Haa! ...[Ubuwelewele.] ... Uphi?
English:
I invite him to go to Groenkloof if you want to see the Stuurman brothers, the Khoi and San warriors. If you want to see Dorman in their life sites, you must go there and check and we will continue to ensure that our country moves forward. We use this, especially with the liberation heritage route to ensure that the species of our country are dealt with.
The issue of the statues he’s talking about here, all I can say to him and other members is that the Minister of Arts and Culture is
UNREVISED HANSARD MINI PLENARY SESSION – COMMITTEE ROOM E249 THURSDAY, 10 MAY 2018 PAGE: 76 the final arbiter - somebody else must apply for this. Therefore, if you want to engage me from the beginning, who is going to decide whether or not to change the statues in this country? But, thank you very much, Chairperson. [Applause.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you, hon Minister.
Order! Hon members, you are reminded that the debate on Human
Settlements Budget Vote will take place at 16:15 in the Old
Assembly. The debate on Communications will take place in this venue also at the same time. That concludes the debate and the business of this mini-plenary. The mini-plenary will now rise.
The mini-plenary session rose at 15:59.