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OFFICIAL RECORD of PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 28 April 2016 the Council Continued to Meet at Nine O'clock LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 28 April 2016 8005 OFFICIAL RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS Thursday, 28 April 2016 The Council continued to meet at Nine o'clock MEMBERS PRESENT: THE PRESIDENT THE HONOURABLE JASPER TSANG YOK-SING, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALBERT HO CHUN-YAN THE HONOURABLE LEE CHEUK-YAN THE HONOURABLE JAMES TO KUN-SUN THE HONOURABLE CHAN KAM-LAM, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG YIU-CHUNG THE HONOURABLE EMILY LAU WAI-HING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE TAM YIU-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ABRAHAM SHEK LAI-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TOMMY CHEUNG YU-YAN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE FREDERICK FUNG KIN-KEE, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE VINCENT FANG KANG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-HING, B.B.S., M.H. 8006 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 28 April 2016 PROF THE HONOURABLE JOSEPH LEE KOK-LONG, S.B.S., J.P., Ph.D., R.N. THE HONOURABLE JEFFREY LAM KIN-FUNG, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ANDREW LEUNG KWAN-YUEN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE WONG TING-KWONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CYD HO SAU-LAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE STARRY LEE WAI-KING, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LAM TAI-FAI, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAK-KAN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN KIN-POR, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE PRISCILLA LEUNG MEI-FUN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHEUNG KWOK-CHE THE HONOURABLE WONG KWOK-KIN, S.B.S. THE HONOURABLE IP KWOK-HIM, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE MRS REGINA IP LAU SUK-YEE, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE PAUL TSE WAI-CHUN, J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALAN LEONG KAH-KIT, S.C. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KWOK-HUNG THE HONOURABLE ALBERT CHAN WAI-YIP THE HONOURABLE WONG YUK-MAN LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 28 April 2016 8007 THE HONOURABLE CLAUDIA MO THE HONOURABLE MICHAEL TIEN PUK-SUN, B.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE NG LEUNG-SING, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE STEVEN HO CHUN-YIN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE FRANKIE YICK CHI-MING, J.P. THE HONOURABLE WU CHI-WAI, M.H. THE HONOURABLE YIU SI-WING, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE MA FUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHARLES PETER MOK, J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHAN CHI-CHUEN THE HONOURABLE CHAN HAN-PAN, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KENNETH CHAN KA-LOK THE HONOURABLE CHAN YUEN-HAN, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE LEUNG CHE-CHEUNG, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE ALICE MAK MEI-KUEN, B.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE KWOK KA-KI THE HONOURABLE KWOK WAI-KEUNG THE HONOURABLE DENNIS KWOK THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHEUNG WAH-FUNG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE SIN CHUNG-KAI, S.B.S., J.P. 8008 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 28 April 2016 DR THE HONOURABLE HELENA WONG PIK-WAN THE HONOURABLE IP KIN-YUEN DR THE HONOURABLE ELIZABETH QUAT, J.P. THE HONOURABLE MARTIN LIAO CHEUNG-KONG, S.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE POON SIU-PING, B.B.S., M.H. THE HONOURABLE TANG KA-PIU, J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE CHIANG LAI-WAN, J.P. IR DR THE HONOURABLE LO WAI-KWOK, S.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE CHUNG KWOK-PAN THE HONOURABLE CHRISTOPHER CHUNG SHU-KUN, B.B.S., M.H., J.P. THE HONOURABLE TONY TSE WAI-CHUEN, B.B.S. THE HONOURABLE ALVIN YEUNG NGOK-KIU MEMBERS ABSENT: DR THE HONOURABLE LAU WONG-FAT, G.B.M., G.B.S., J.P. DR THE HONOURABLE LEUNG KA-LAU THE HONOURABLE JAMES TIEN PEI-CHUN, G.B.S., J.P. THE HONOURABLE GARY FAN KWOK-WAI THE HONOURABLE KENNETH LEUNG DR THE HONOURABLE FERNANDO CHEUNG CHIU-HUNG LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 28 April 2016 8009 PUBLIC OFFICERS ATTENDING: THE HONOURABLE MATTHEW CHEUNG KIN-CHUNG, G.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR LABOUR AND WELFARE THE HONOURABLE LAI TUNG-KWOK, S.B.S., I.D.S.M., J.P. SECRETARY FOR SECURITY DR THE HONOURABLE KO WING-MAN, B.B.S., J.P. SECRETARY FOR FOOD AND HEALTH PROF SOPHIA CHAN SIU-CHEE, J.P. UNDER SECRETARY FOR FOOD AND HEALTH CLERKS IN ATTENDANCE: MR KENNETH CHEN WEI-ON, S.B.S., SECRETARY GENERAL MS ANITA SIT, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MISS FLORA TAI YIN-PING, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MS DORA WAI, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL MR MATTHEW LOO, ASSISTANT SECRETARY GENERAL 8010 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 28 April 2016 GOVERNMENT BILLS Committee Stage CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Good morning, Members. (Mr CHAN Chi-chuen stood up) CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Mr CHAN Chi-chuen, what is your point? MR CHAN CHI-CHUEN (in Cantonese): Chairman, I request a headcount. CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Will the Clerk please ring the bell to summon Members to the Chamber. (After the summoning bell had been rung, a number of Members entered the Chamber) CHAIRMAN (in Cantonese): Members, as I have already reminded Members several times yesterday, this debate will proceed until 10 am today. I have seriously studied the debate time that was required for the examination of past Appropriation Bills by the Council. Considering the outstanding business in the remainder of the current term of the Council, we must make optimal use of our meeting time to enable the Council to function properly, so I have allocated a reasonable time slot for each debate, and I have clearly informed Members in advance. However, as regards whether Members will fully make use of the time to engage in debates, it is a choice of the Members themselves and I cannot make any decisions for them. If Members choose to constantly request the ringing of the summoning bell, and most Members choose to return to the Chamber only after the bell has been rung for 10 minutes or more , or even do not return to the Chamber, I cannot require Members to use up all the time allocated for the debate. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 28 April 2016 8011 I know that a number of Members have requested to speak in this debate, including Members who have proposed amendments in this debate session. However, we spent a total of four hours and 15 minutes yesterday making quorum calls and waiting for Members to return to the Chamber, and the speaking time for at least 17 Members was thus lost. Members, as I have said just now, it is the choice made by Members, and I am unable to make any changes. If Members continue to adopt such means to use the meeting time of the Council, those Members who do not have a chance to speak can only ask their fellow party members or other Members to be more co-operative, so that Members will be able to truly engage in the debate and express their views in the remaining time. Now that Dr Elizabeth QUAT on the waiting list has not spoken in this debate session, as I said yesterday, I will first allow her to speak before inviting the public officer to speak. In the remaining time, based on the speaking order of the Members who have proposed amendments and requested to speak, I will only allow them to speak until 10 am and then we will proceed to the next debate. Dr Elizabeth QUAT, please speak. APPROPRIATION BILL 2016 DR ELIZABETH QUAT (in Cantonese): The Chairman has made a very good point. We are discussing the amendments to the Appropriation Bill 2016, but I really cannot tell what was discussed at our whole-day meeting yesterday. As the Chairman has said earlier on, a total of 20 headcounts were made yesterday, which has wasted four hours and 15 minutes of the Council's time. Chairman, this is not the first time that certain Members have abused the use of quorum calls and filibustering, which has caused a serious wastage of the Council's time. According to the record of the Legislative Council, between 2012 and February 2016, about 1 200 headcounts were made and more than 160 hours were wasted, which is equal to a total of 17 days. Assuming that the average hourly cost of the Legislative Council is around $200,000, they had wasted more than $30 million of taxpayers' money. In fact, if the amendments proposed by Members are as meaningful as they claimed, the time allotted by the Chairman for the debate of these 163 8012 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL ─ 28 April 2016 amendments would be insufficient. But as pointed out by the Chairman, Members have chosen to waste time purely for venting their anger. What are the contents of these 163 amendments? As many Members have pointed out yesterday, the amendments are meaningless with unknown purpose. Today, I wish to highlight a few points, for example, in Amendment No 26, Mr LEUNG Kwok-hung seeks to reduce the annual estimated expenditure of the Auxiliary Medical Service (AMS). What is his intent? Is it wrong for the AMS to rescue people? Is the AMS no longer required to rescue people in the future? While Mr CHAN Chi-chuen seeks to reduce the annual estimated expenditure of the Correctional Services Department (CSD), Mr LEUNG Kwok-hung seeks, in addition to reducing the annual estimated expenditure of the CSD, to reduce the annual estimated expenditure of the Earnings scheme for persons in custody. In that case, persons in custody will be deprived of a chance for rehabilitation. Also, Mr CHAN Chi-chuen seeks to reduce the annual estimated expenditure of the Customs and Excise Department (C&ED), and Mr LEUNG Kwok-hung seeks to reduce the C&ED's annual estimated expenditure for equipment, plant and vehicles.
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