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Hansard of Oral Evidence PP77/10 TRS, No. 2 T Y N W A L D C O U R T O F F I C I A L R E P O R T R E C O R T Y S O I K O I L Q U A I Y L T I N V A A L P R O C E E D I N G S D A A L T Y N (HANSARD) S E L E C T C O M M I T T E E O F T Y N W A L D O N R E D R E S S F O R M R & M R S S P A D O N I (A C T I O N S O F T H E M A R I N E A D M I N I S T R A T I O N) B I N G E R - L H E H T I N V A A L M Y C H I O N E L H I A S A G H E Y A C C A N M N R. A S V N R. S P A D O N I (G A G H T E Y S T I U R E Y C O O I S H Y N N Y M A R R E Y) Douglas, Monday, 16th November 2009 Published by the Office of the Clerk of Tynwald, Legislative Buildings, Finch Road, Douglas, Isle of Man. © Court of Tynwald, 2010 32 TRS SELECT COMMITTEE, MONDAY, 16th NOVEMBER 2009 Members Present: Chairman: Mr D M W Butt, MLC Mr J D Q Cannan, MHK The Lord Bishop of Sodor and Man (The Rt Rev. R M E Paterson) Clerk: Mr J King, Deputy Clerk of Tynwald Business transacted Page Procedural .............................................................................................................................................................................33 Administration of the Oath ...................................................................................................................................................33 Evidence Mr C Baker, Marine Data Limited ...................................................................................................................33 The Committee adjourned at 11.27 a.m. and resumed its sitting at 12.04 p.m. Procedural .............................................................................................................................................................................42 Administration of the Oath ...................................................................................................................................................42 Evidence of Mr R K Corkill, former Chief Minister .......................................................................................................42 The Committee adjourned at 12.43 p.m. All published Official Reports can be found on the Tynwald website www.tynwald.org.im Official Papers/Hansards/Please select a year:- Oral Evidence SELECT COMMITTEE, MONDAY, 16TH NOVEMBER 2009 33 TRS Select Committee of Tynwald Administration of the Oath The Chairman: Now I believe we have Mr Baker here on the Report on Redress for to give evidence before us. Welcome, Mr Baker. Mr & Mrs Spadoni Mr Baker: Thank you. (Actions of the Marine The Chairman: I wonder, Clerk, could you ask Mr Baker Administration) to take the Oath? The Clerk: I can. Mr Baker took the Bible in his right hand and repeated The Committee sat in public at 10.32 a.m. the Oath. in the Millennium Room, Legislative Buildings, Douglas Mr Baker: I swear by Almighty God that the evidence I shall give to the Committee at this and any further hearing shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God. [MR BUTT in the Chair] The Chairman: Thank you. Procedural EVIDENCE OF MR C BAKER The Chairman (Mr Butt): Could I just welcome everyone to this Select Committee of Tynwald on the Petition The Chairman: Thank you for attending this hearing. of Redress of Mr and Mrs Spadoni concerning the actions of I wonder, could you start by introducing yourself with your the Marine Administration. full name, what your qualifications are, and your occupation, To give some background, the Committee was established please. by Tynwald on 21st April 2009. The motion establishing the Committee was: Mr Baker: Yes. My name is Chris Baker. I am a naval architect – ‘marine consultant’ is probably more easily ‘That Tynwald appoints a Committee of three Members with powers to take written and oral evidence pursuant to sections 3 and 4 of the understood these days; it is nothing to do with the Navy. Tynwald Proceedings Act 1876, as amended, to investigate and report I have always been involved in boats, ever since a child, on the conduct of the Marine Administration – and as a school holiday job I would work building fishing (a) in preparing ministerial briefing for the debate in Tynwald in boats and even crewed on them on occasions. I carried on November 2003, with special reference to allegations that Mr and Mrs working with boats. I did the Yacht and Boat Design course Spadoni had breached fishing vessel regulations; and at Southampton back in the 1970s successfully. From there, (b) in investigating the causes for major stability failure of the FV Suzanna D, owned by Mr and Mrs Spadoni, in May 2000; I went on to building racing boats, then went on to work and any other relevant matter and make such recommendations as it as a naval architect in Dartmouth. From there, in the early sees fit.’ 1980s, I met up with Applecraft in Jurby, whereupon I came up here as project manager for the ill-fated Bounty project, Now, ladies and gentlemen, the Committee is sitting. I which soon collapsed after I arrived on the Island – nothing am the Chairman; I am Mr Dudley Butt MLC. On my left is to do with me, I hope. Mr David Cannan MHK, and on his left is the Lord Bishop, I stayed on the Island and I started a design business, which Rev. Paterson. Our Clerk is Mr Jonathan King. focused mainly on condition survey of vessels, and soon after The proceedings are being taped by the Hansard clerk for that, with a colleague on the south coast of England, I started the public Hansard record. Could I ask anybody who has a a company called Marine Data. Marine Data International is mobile phone to please switch it off now, if they have one, based on the south coast of England and Marine Data (Isle as that will interfere with the tape recording. of Man), which is actually my company here – I notice on We first met in public on 13th May 2009 and we heard the record it is ‘Marine Data’; it should actually be Marine evidence from Mr John Rimington, a former MHK, and Mr Data (Isle of Man) Ltd – it is a separate company. I ran that, and Mrs Spadoni. Today we have two further witnesses: Mr and that soon focused on stability work. So I have been doing Baker and Mr Corkill. that on the Island since 1993-94, stability booklets, I suppose. Mr Baker is a technical expert, who was present at a That has been the main income for the company since then. number of stability tests conducted on the Spadonis’ vessel, We do between 12 and 15 stability booklets a year, which the Suzanna D, after she reached the Isle of Man. is not a huge amount but basically it is a one-man business, The second witness will be Mr Richard Corkill, who was so that is my speciality, if you like. I currently split my time Chief Minister from December 2001 to December 2004, between charity and mission work in Romania, so I work including the time of the Tynwald debate in November 2003 from Romania sometimes. which is referred to in our remit. He has been asked to come I also act as the stability consultant for Safehaven Marine at 12 noon today. in Cork, where I do all of the stability booklets for the pilot Procedural Administration of the Oath Select Committee of Tynwald on Redress for Mr & Mrs Spadoni (Actions of the Marine Administration) Evidence of Mr C Baker 34 TRS SELECT COMMITTEE, MONDAY, 16th NOVEMBER 2009 Oral Evidence vessels they build. In the last year, I have done them for the pardon, on 27th April 2000. That is the date I have here. St Malo pilot vessel, Portugal, Venice, two in Southampton. They are quite technically demanding, because you have to The Chairman: Before we go on to the technical detail, arrange each one for the local nuances. Although Europe is what was the next test you did on the Suzanna D? meant to be consistent across all the authorities, you find that each local authority, each country authority, has its own Mr Baker: The next test I did on the vessel would have flavour, as it were, so I produce all the booklets for those. been the inclining trial up at Ramsey. I also act as the technical consultant for a company called Solent Refit, who are involved in refitting superyachts down The Chairman: What was the result of that? in Southampton. The most recent project they handled was the conversion of the sail-training vessel Malcolm Miller Mr Baker: The result of the inclining trial was also a where I was the consultant who provided all the technical fail, and it reflected the same figures as the roll test within a information for classification. My stability work has ranged reasonable margin. from small catamaran work boats through to... I think the largest I have done are the ro-ro vessels which work out of The Chairman: Just for the record, I believe the inclining Heysham – the Merchant Brilliant and the Merchant Bravery trial is a more technical, more complex test than the roll – and they are 2,400 tonnes. test. The Chairman: Thank you. So that is considerable Mr Baker: Yes, the roll test is a test which you can experience.
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