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Printed (by Authority) by CORRIE Ltd., 48 Bucks Road, Douglas, Isle of Man. REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS OF TYNWALD COURT Douglas, Tuesday, 20th January 1998 at 1030 a.m. Present: the year of the sea, this parliamentary assembly, The President of Tynwald (the Hon Sir Charles Kerruish representative of the Manx nation, will undoubtedly face OBE LLD (hc) CP). In the Council: The Lord Bishop (the many new challenges as well as being afforded new Rt Rev Noel Debroy Jones), the Attorney-General opportunities: opportunities to throw off the local authority (Mr W J A Corlett), Mr B Barton, Hon C M Christian, image that our ever increasing acceptance of other Messrs D F K Delaney and E G Lowey, His Honour jurisdictions' decisions can possibly generate; A C Luft CBE, Hon E J Mann, Messrs J N Radcliffe and opportunities to look at the effectiveness or otherwise of G H Waft, with Mr T A Bawden, Clerk of the Council. the operation of both private and government monopolies in the Isle of Man; to ascertain whether the public belief In the Keys: The Speaker (the Hon N Q Cringle) that we are, as a nation, becoming over-governed and over- (Rushen); Mr L I Singer and Hon A R Bell (Ramsey); regulated is correct; to consider the possibility of bringing Hon R E Quine OBE (Ayre); Mr J D Q Cannan (Michael); Manx Radio and television under a Manx Wireless Hon H Hannan (Peel); Mr W A Gilbey (Glenfaba); Telegraphy Act; to determine what is to be done about the Mr S C Rodan (Garff); Hon D North (Middle); basic industries withering on the bough; opportunities, Mr Mr P Karran, Hon R K Corkill and Mr J R Kniveton Attorney, for our draftsmen to transform the language of (Onchan); Messrs J R Houghton and E A Crowe (Douglas the law to make it more readily understandable to both North); Hon D C Cretney and Mr A C Duggan (Douglas ourselves and the people we represent; and, looking ahead, South); Mr R P Braidwood and Mrs B J Cannell (Douglas opportunities to determine our relationship with the East); Messrs J P Shimmin and A F Downie (Douglas emerging Celtic nations. In the 21st century a Celtic West); Hon J A Brown (Castletown); Hon D J Gelling federation is not beyond the bounds of possibility. (Malew and Santon); Sir Miles Walker CBE LLD (hc), Opportunities, hon. members, to get rid of the apathy of and Mrs P M Crowe (Rushen); with Prof T StJ N Bates, decades in respect of constitutional evolution. Clerk of Tynwald. I mention this because the hon. Mr Speaker and I have recently been privileged to attend the conference of The Lord Bishop took prayers. Commonwealth presiding officers in Trinidad. In that setting we learned of a conference to debate the future, the WELCOME TO THE NEW future I would emphasise, of the dependent territories ATTORNEY-GENERAL which is to be held in London in early February and chaired The President: Hon. members, I welcome you all to by Robin Cook. I understand that presently it is not this the first sitting of this ancient Court of 1998 and I contemplated that any Island politician will be in particularly wish to extend a very warm welcome to the attendance. new member of the Council, William John Howarth Now, whether 'dependencies' are defined as Foreign Corlett, and congratulate this scion of an old Manx family Office dependencies or Home Office Crown dependencies, on his appointment as Attorney-General and wish him well the fact remains, hon. members, that their future, indeed for the future. our future, is under scrutiny in the immediate future, and history, hon. members, has a few moments for every Members: Hear, hear. community when what they do, or fail to do, changes the future in dramatic ways. In the new world that is upon us The President: May I also express my delight in having we cannot count on second chances if we are to respond to both the hon. member of the Council Mr Delaney and the Hon Arthur Luft back in their accustomed places this day. the challenge of the new age. So let us not miss out on what, in the case of the London conference, may prove to Members: Hear, hear. be both a challenge and an opportunity. STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT PAPERS LAID BEFORE THE COURT The President: Now, hon. members, as we go forward The President: Now to the business of the day. I call into the year that the United Nations has determined to be upon the Clerk to lay papers. Welcome to the New Attorney-General Statement by the President Papers Laid Before the Court T278 TYNWALD COURT, TUESDAY, 20th JANUARY 1998 The Clerk: I lay before the Court: Incumbents (Pastoral Breakdown) Measure (Isle of Merchant Shipping (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act Man) 1996 - 1996 - Incumbents (Pastoral Breakdown) Rules 1997 (SD Merchant Shipping (Fees) (Amendment) No 642/97) Regulations 1997 (SD No 666/97) Appointed Day Orders - Inland Fisheries Act 1976 - National Westminster Bank Plc Act 1997 Inland Fisheries (Duties) Regulations 1997 (SD No (Appointed Day ) Order 1997 (SD No 641197) 665197) Lloyds TSB Act 1997 (Appointed Day ) Order 1997 (SD No 654/97) Town and Country Planning Act 1934 - Town and Country Planning (Permitted Reports - Interim Report of the Select Committee of Tynwald Development) (Replacement Windows) Order 1997 on Rushen Abbey. (SD No 664/97) First Report 1997-98 of the Standing Committee on Constitutional Matters on Presidence at the Value Added Tax Act 1996 - Tynwald Ceremony at St John's (A Report by the Value Added Tax (Payments on Account) (Appeals) Council of Ministers). Order 1997 (SD No 637/97) Forestry Act 1984 - Public Turbaries Byelaws 1997 (SD No 642/97) BILL FOR SIGNATURE Social Security Act 1982 - The President: We have a Bill for signature, hon. members, and if you are agreeable we will continue our Social Security Legislation (Application) (No. 9) business whilst it is being signed. Is that agreed? Order 1997 (SD No 650/97) Members: Agreed. Pension Schemes Act 1995 - Pension Schemes Legislation (Application) (No. 4) The President: Thank you. Order 1997 (SD No 651197) Family Income Supplements Act 1985 - Family Income Supplements (Miscellaneous CHIEF MINISTER — ABSENCES - Amendments) (No. 2) Regulations 1997 (SD No QUESTION BY MR SINGER 652197) The President: Turning now to the question paper, I call upon the hon. member for Ramsey, Mr Singer, to ask Department of Education - the question standing in his name. Student Awards Scheme 1998 (GC No 52/97) Mr Singer: Thank you, Mr President. I beg to ask the Report - Chief Minister: Special Report of the Standing Committee on Expenditure and Public Accounts on the (1) In cases of your absence from the Island and from Relationship of the Committee with Certain other meetings such as the Council of Ministers, House Bodies. of Keys and Tynwald Court, do you have an appointed deputy; and Child Custody Act 1987 - Child Abduction and Custody (Parties to (2) if so, who is that person, and does he or she assume Conventions) (Amendment) (No. 3) Order 1997 (SD the powers of the Chief Minister at that time? No 663/97) The President: The Chief Minister to reply. Value Added Tax Act 1996 - Value Added Tax (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations Mr Gelling: Mr President, could I first of all take this 1997 (SD No 582/97) opportunity, sir, of saying how good it is to see you back presiding over Tynwald, having been indisposed at last Currency Act 1992 - month's sitting, and if I may also take the opportunity of Currency (Obverse Design) (Amendment) Order congratulating you on receiving the carved plaque of 1997 (SD No 622/97) appreciation which was presented to you at the 14th Currency (World Cup Football Crowns) Order 1997 Conference of Commonwealth Speakers and Presiding (SD No 653/97) Officers which was held in Trinidad and Tobago last week, Bill for Signature Chief Minister — Absences — Question by Mr Singer TYNWALD COURT, TUESDAY, 20th JANUARY 1998 T279 to which you have just referred, in recognition of your at the Council who have chaired the Council and that is services to the Commonwealth parliamentary institutions. the Treasury Minister, Mr Corkill, and the Transport I am quite sure all of us here in the Court are very aware of Minister, Mr Brown, and, as I have explained, I have not your long and unparalleled services to the Commonwealth found at any time there has been a necessity for me to Parliamentary Association and we are, without doubt, appoint someone because I am absent from the Island. delighted that this honour has been bestowed upon you. Mr Houghton: Mr President, at the time of the Members: Hear, hear. leadership election considerable support was shown for the member for Ayre, the hon. Minister for Local Mr Gelling: If I can return now, Mr President, to Government and the Environment, Mr Quine. May I question number 1 from the hon. member for Ramsey, Mr therefore ask the Chief Minister if he would consider Singer, I do not have an appointed deputy. There are having a Deputy Chief Minister and that his right and provisions in legislation for a deputy in cases where the proper choice should indeed be Mr Quine as the appropriate Chief Minister exercises a specific statutory responsibility. incumbent of this post, sir? Now, I refer there to the Interception of Communications Act or the Prevention of Terrorism Act as examples where The President: I would rule that question out of order the Minister for Home Affairs is, by statute, my deputy.