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Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Second Session - Thirty-Sixth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS (Hansard) Published under the authority of The Honourable Louise M Dacquay Speaker Vol. XLVI No. 78A- 10 a.m., Thursday, November 7, 1996 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Sixth Legislature Members, Constituencies and Political Affiliation Name Constituency .�!art� ASHTON, Steve Thompson N.D.P. BARRETT, Becky Wellington N.D.P. CERILLI, Marianne Radisson N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave Kildonan N.D.P. CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose P.C. DACQUA Y, Louise, Hon. Seine River P.C. DERKACH, Leonard, Hon. Roblin-Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary Concordia N.D.P. DOWNEY, James, Hon. Arthur-Virden P.C. DRIEDGER, Albert, Hon. Steinbach P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. ENNS, Harry, Hon. Lakeside P.C. ERNST, Jim, Hon. Charleswood P.C. EVANS, Clif Interlake N.D.P. EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East N.D.P. FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tuxedo P.C. FINDLAY, Glen, Hon. Springfield P.C. FRIESEN, Jean Wolseley N.D.P. GAUDRY, Neil St. Boniface Lib. P.C. GILLESHAMMER, Harold, Hon. Minnedosa P.C. HELWER, Edward Gimli N.D.P. HICKES, George Point Douglas N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon Lib. KOWALSKI, Gary The Maples Lib. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster N.D.P. LATHLIN, Oscar The Pas P.C. LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norbert N.D.P. MACKINTOSH, Gord St. Johns N.D.P. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows P.C. McALPINE, Gerry Sturgeon Creek P.C. McCRAE, James, Hon. Brandon West N DP. McGIFFORD, Diane Osborne P.C. MciNTOSH, Linda, Hon. Assiniboia N.D P. MIHYCHUK, MaryAnn St. James PC MITCHELSON, Bonnie, Hon. River East P.C NEWMAN, David Riel P.C. PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Portage Ia Prairie PC PENNER, Jack Emerson PC PITURA, Frank Morris PC. PRAZNIK, Darren, Hon. Lac du Bonnet PC. RADCLIFFE, Mike River Heights N D P. REID, Daryl Transcona PC REIMER, Jack, Hon. Niakwa PC RENDER, Shirley St. Vital NDP ROBINSON, Eric Rupertsland PC ROCAN, Denis Gladstone NDP SALE, Tim Crescentwood NDP SANTOS, Conrad Broadway PC STEFANSON, Eric, Hon. Kirkfield Park NDP STRUTHERS, Stan Dauphin P.C. SVEINSON, Ben La Verendrye PC. TOEWS, Vic, Hon. Rossmere PC TWEED, Mervin Turtle Mountain PC VODREY, Rosemary, Hon. Fort Garry N.D.P. WOWCHUK, Rosann Swan River 4835 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA Thursday, November 7,1996 The House met at 10 a.m. I think it is safe to say that Abe enjoyed most his time as the Deputy Speaker of this Chamber and chairing of committees. Onmany occasions Abe had to be involved PRAYERS in settling of disputes. It may surprise members of the media or members of the opposition to know that we had Bon. Jim Ernst (Government House Leader): disputes even in those days in this House, and Abe Madam Speaker, would you call condolence motions, always seemed to have an ability, with a twinkle in his please. eye and a diysense of humour, to be able to bring people to attentionand to be able to keep control of proceedings, Motions of Condolence and perhaps tohave us walk away chuckling at ourselves and at the process. But I think he enjoyed very much that Abe Kovnats ability to mete out justice and to be able to arbitrate between two opposing sides, something of course that Bon. Gary Filmon (Premier): Madam Speaker, I was principal to his efforts as a Canadian Football move, seconded by the Deputy Premier (Mr. Downey), League referee. THAT this House convey to the family of the late Abe I must admit that I considered Abe to be a good friend. Kovnats, who served as a member of the Legislative I enjoyed a great deal of social time with him, whether it Assembly of Manitoba, its sincere sympathy in their was just sitting in his office and listening to stories time bereavement and its appreciation of his devotion to duty and time again, and Abe certainly was a raconteur. He in a useful life of active community and public service had stories for every occasion. Talking about the CFL he and thatMadam Speaker be requested to forward a copy used to talkabout the need for showmanship in a referee's of this resolution to the family. job, something I did not think about. I thought the referees were there to be invisible and just call the game, Motion presented. but Abe used to talk about how he would get in the face of a big lineman. He would be asking him about his Mr. Filmon: Madam Speaker, Abe Kovnats is an family or his wife, and he would be looking to all of those individual who is well known to many in this Chamber, in the stands as though they were having a very serious having served with many of us over a period of time disagreement, right in his face and pointing his finger. between his election first in October of 1977 all the way He said it was all part of the show. through until 1988. He used to say that when you were having to call, Abe was, of course, re-elected in 1981 and again in whether or not they had made a first down, and you 1986. He served in the electoral division of Radisson. brought the chains out that you had to give it lots of Abe was an individual who had many, many friends. He flourish, make sure that everybody on television could see had a variety of backgrounds having worked in a family it. He would bend right down over the ball even if it was business for awhile, having worked in retail, and having six inches or a foot. Quite obvious, Abe would make ultimately run his own company in the parking business. sure that everybody knew that this was a very key call in the game. He had many, many stories that regaled us Abe may be best known not for his service here in this time and again. Legislature but for his experience as a Canadian Football League referee. I think it is interesting that some of his Abe was a very devoted family person and certainly talents and some of his most memorable characteristics loved his wife, Donna, loved his three children, and are ones that were probably transferable to both his career always talked about them with great pride, always was as a Canadian Football League referee and his time here concernedabout them and for their well-being, and it was in the Legislature. always a part of our discussion. 4836 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 7, 1996 I rememberAbe in the days in which I was running for Mr. Gary Doer(Leader of the Opposition): Madam the leadership of our party. He was a constant support Speaker, I want to join in the condolence motion of Abe and involved in very many of the occasions that took Kovnats and add a few comments to the record of Abe's place in the run-up to the leadership decision as a very contribution to our community, to our province, to this strong supporter of mine. Legislature. I also want to start with the comments that were just left by the Premier because I do remember that We were all shocked at Abe's passing. We had seen debate in which, I think it was, Howard Pawley said, you him, I think,from time to time on an infrequent basis but cannot have it both ways, and Abe Kovnats said, yes, I at social gatherings after he left the Legislature in 1988. can; I am in opposition. Now these were very honest He served, of course, on the, I believe it was, Licence words from the then-opposition party and from Abe Suspension Appeal Board and enjoyed, again, that kind Ko\-nats and very humorous words. of quasi-judicial application of his many skills and talents. Having attended Abe's memorial service, I can We have not, of course, followed Abe's advice of trying tell you that there was a cross-section of our community to have it both ways, but we certainly enjoyed the from all walks of life, from so many different areas of sentiment of his views and the candour under which he endeavour, the sporting arena, the political field, of presented his views. We actually, as I recall it, would course, the business field, and in all those areas, Abe often quote Abe Kovnats back to the then-Leader of the made friends. Abe made friends whereverhe went. Opposition whenever we thought he would perhaps try to have it both ways. We would use Abe Kovnats's I remember him talking about the hobby farm he had wonderfulcomments back to the Premier, the then-Leader and the vegetable garden that he constantly nurtured of the Opposition, and Abe always thought that was which was out near Menisino, I think, in southeast pretty funny because he was just telling it like it is. I Manitoba. All of these things for Abe were a joy, and, guessthis is one of the great tributes to Abe, that he told indeed, I think all life was a joy. Having sat with him it like it was, and he was a very honest and humourous here in this Legislature, I know that he probably walked and warm person. away withfriends on all sides of the House and probably certainly, as somebody who I know did not have a mean When I was first elected to this Legislature I had been bone in his body, was just as much respected on the other a member of the public, non-profit, community-owned side of the House as he was here.
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