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© 2004 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved PLEASE CREDIT ANY QUOTES OR EXCERPTS FROM THIS CBS TELEVISION PROGRAM TO "CBS NEWS' FACE THE NATION. " CBS News FACE THE NATION Sunday, March 21, 2004 GUESTS: HOWARD DEAN Former Democratic Presidential Candidate Senator RICHARD LUGAR, (R-IN) Chairman, Foreign Relations Committee KAREN TUMULTY Time Magazine MODERATOR: BOB SCHIEFFER - CBS News This is a rush transcript provided for the information and convenience of the press. Accuracy is not guaranteed. In case of doubt, please check with FACE THE NATION - CBS NEWS 202-457-4481 BURRELLE'S INFORMATION SERVICES / 202-419-1859 / 800-456-2877 Face the Nation (CBS News) - Sunday, March 21, 2004 1 BOB SCHIEFFER, host: Today on FACE THE NATION, is the election coming down to what happens in Iraq? Have the terrorist attacks in Spain redefined the coming presidential campaign here? Does it put new pressure on the president to explain why we invaded Iraq, or does it put new importance on the president's claims that John Kerry is weak on defense? We'll ask the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Republican Richard Lugar, and former Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean, who is expected to endorse Kerry this week. Karen Tumulty of Time magazine joins in the questioning. Then this week's 50th anniversary FACE THE NATION Flashback will focus on the Watergate plumbers. Finally, I'll have a word about what the terrorists need to know about our coming election. But first, Howard Dean and Richard Lugar on FACE THE NATION. Announcer: FACE THE NATION, with CBS News chief Washington correspondent Bob Schieffer. And now from CBS News in Washington, Bob Schieffer. SCHIEFFER: Good morning again. Joining us from Burlington, Vermont, this morning, Howard Dean; in the studio with us, Senator Richard Lugar. Karen Tumulty of Time magazine is here for the questioning. We're going to begin with Governor Dean. Governor, thank you for coming this morning. Dr. HOWARD DEAN (Former Democratic Presidential Candidate): Thanks, Bob. SCHIEFFER: People in John Kerry's high command are letting it be known that they have not--have not--dismissed the idea of considering John McCain as a running mate. Now they're not going to make an announcement that that's going on, but people close to that campaign tell me that they're thinking about it. They're going to sound out advisers, other people, to see what they think about it, the bottom line being that in their minds the possibility of John McCain as a running mate for Senator Kerry is--is still alive and is still operating. Tom Oliphant, the columnist for The Boston Globe who probably has as many sources within the Kerry campaign as anybody I know, is laying out the reasons that it would be good to consider John McCain. So I begin by asking you: Do you think that's a good idea? Dr. DEAN: Well, I--I generally do not give advice to presidential candidates about running mates or anything else in public, and I don't intend to break that president--that precedent today. I think John Kerry's got to--going to pick a running mate who who's going to serve us honorably. I'm very open-minded about who that may be. I don't have a--a list of criteria in my mind that I--I certainly am going to support John Kerry no matter who he picks as a running mate, and Senator McCain's a fine person. I think that would be a very interesting choice but I'm sure he's going very carefully through his list, and I'm going to leave it at that. SCHIEFFER: But if--if he did select Senator McCain, you would still be able to support him? Dr. DEAN: Absolutely. Senator McCain and I differ on i--i--issues such as abortion, and I think that's a critical issue. We probably have some other differences as well. But he's well- respected, and I'm interested in--in ch--in sending this president back to Crawford, Texas. He has done more damage to this country than anybody probably since Warren Harding or Herbert Hoover. We have a huge $1/2 trillion deficit. We're bogged down in a war in Iraq where the administration, even the secretary of Defense on your program last week, wasn't BURRELLE'S INFORMATION SERVICES / (202)419-1859 / (800)456-2877 Face the Nation (CBS News) - Sunday, March 21, 2004 2 truthful about why we're there. We need a change, and I'm willing to do whatever I can to get that change, and electing John Kerry is how we're going to get that change. SCHIEFFER: Karen? Ms. KAREN TUMULTY (Time Magazine): So, Governor, this week you will be endorsing John Kerry. You are throwing your efforts now into getting him elected, and yet one of the first things you did on his behalf was to issue a statement that the campaign immediately had to repudiate. You said the president was the one who dragged our troops to Iraq, which apparently has been a factor in the death of 200 Spaniards over the weekend. Of course, no one's going to say that there's any justification for terrorism but do you, in fact, think that Spain would have been the target of that bombing had it not supported the United States in the--in the Iraq war? Dr. DEAN: First of all, we were not repudiated by John Kerry. That was a story created by some overanxious print journalists who had a too--a little too much time on their hands, and they fell for the old gag. I said what you said I said. I said that I did--that the terrorists themselves gave the reason for the attack on Spain for the fact that Spain had participated in the war in Iraq. That's their reasoning, which is what I said. The White House then put out a characterization of what I said which was not accurate. The print journalists rushed to John Kerry, who didn't know what I had said, and asked him to respond to the White House press releases. It was a--it was a--it was a typical `gotcha' silly journalism, and John Kerry, in fact, said that's not my position in response to something that the White House had said. So the story is ridiculous, and what you just said happened didn't happen. Now to get to the matter at hand, the important matter is the terrorists in their videotape said that they had attacked Spain because of the Spanish participation in the Iraq war. They also said they had done it because of the Spanish kicked the Moors out of the country in 1492. So you know, terrorism are--is terrorism. Terrorists use all kinds of self-justifications to kill people, but those are the reasons they gave. SCHIEFFER: It seems to me, Governor, that John Kerry, if he's gonna have a problem, the problem is that he has not been entirely consis--consis--consistent with the--in the positions he has taken. The White House will tell you that he has voted on all sides of almost every issue, and that is obviously campaign overstatement, but this week he did say, when asked why he voted against the $87 billion to fund the war in Iraq, he actually said on the record, `I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it.' Dr. DEAN: Well, you know, that's... SCHIEFFER: How does the campaign handle this kind of thing? Dr. DEAN: Well, you know, I was in trouble for saying things like that. The fact is here's what really happened. What really happened was that John Kerry took a position that I took, which is that the president had no business asking us for $87 billion to add to the deficit in our children's and grandchildren's debt loads without paying for it. And John Kerry said, `If you're gonna--if you believe in this, then pay for it. Cut back on your tax cut for the people who make a million dollars a year.' President evidently didn't think the $87 billion was important enough to pay for it, so John Kerry voted against it when it came to the final vote. I thought that was the right thing to do, that John Kerry did. He is being subjected to the same kind of silly journalism that I was subjected to, and of course the Republican National Committee is egging this on in their ads which are, of course, inaccurate as... BURRELLE'S INFORMATION SERVICES / (202)419-1859 / (800)456-2877 Face the Nation (CBS News) - Sunday, March 21, 2004 3 Ms. TUMULTY: But... SCHIEFFER: Wait... Dr. DEAN: ...many campaigns--ads are on both sides. So this is a--you know, should John have said this? Knowing what the journalists were gonna do to it, perhaps not. SCHIEFFER: Well... Dr. DEAN: But the truth is, he accurately represented his votes. You all took it out of context and the RNC put it in an ad. SCHIEFFER: Well, the fact is that you often accused him of being inconsistent yourself during the campaign, did you not? Dr. DEAN: Ye... SCHIEFFER: Which leads me to this. You're now gonna endorse him this week. There are a lot of your followers who were not too keen on John Kerry. How are you gonna convince them to--for the sake of unity, to come together and now support the person that they were against during the primaries? Dr.
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