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The Skating Lesson Podcast Transcript On the Other Side of the Boards: An Interview with Chuck Foster Part I Jenny Kirk: Hello, and welcome to The Skating Lesson podcast! I’m Jennifer Kirk, a former world junior champion, Four Continents ladies champion, a US Ladies Competitor, and three-time world team member as well as the 1999 New England Junior Ladies Champion, 1995 Bay State Games Ladies silver medalist, and the 1995 Monadnock Interclub Competition Showcase Showdown Future Medalist. Beat that, Dave Lease! Dave Lease: Well, I am Dave Lease. I have passed my adult silver move test and my adult pre-bronze freestyle. I am an Eagle Scout in New Jersey, Scholar, like Rachael Flatt I am an AP Scholar, I got the outstanding effort award from Middle School in 1998, and I am the High School Nobility Award recipient for the Class of 2004! Jenny: Well, you totally beat me with that nobility award – I have no personal accomplishments like that! But we are thrilled today to have Chuck Foster on The Skating Lesson podcast. We talk about how we interview influential from the world of figure skating, and Mr. Foster really is one of those such people. Dave Lease: Oh, absolutely! Chuck Foster has been a judge for 58 years! He was the national junior pairs champion with Maribel Owen – skating royalty! He served as a United States Figure Skating Board of Directors for seventeen years. He served in the United States Olympic Committee as the vice president and secretary for two terms from 1989-1996, he was inducted into the United States Figure Skating Hall of Fame in 2003. And that same year he was elected the president of the United States Figure Skating Association, which he served from 2003 until his resignation in 2005. Jenny: Okay, Chuck, well thank you so much for joining us! We are so happy to have you here! And before you became a world and Olympic judge, president of the US Figure among a myriad of other accomplishments, you actually started out the sport as a pairs skater. You won a national junior pairs title with Maribel Owens. What was that experience like? Chuck Foster: It was great. But it was a bit of a problem. I was a college sophomore or junior and she was fourteen years old. I didn’t relate too well to a fourteen year old girl at the time. But it was great fun, and we enjoyed getting together and having – becoming a success. And it was a generally good experience. Jenny: Did you and she train under the tutelage of her mother? Chuck: Her mother, yes. Jenny: How was she as a coach? Chuck: Well, all you have to hear is Frank Carroll and Ron Ludington talk. They’re her greatest admirers. I found her to be a very tough woman. And she was – she was difficult. Of course, I’m difficult, so two of us like that! Jenny: In what ways was she difficult? Chuck: Just getting her way, I think, or doing things her way. She had – she was, you know, very demanding. Very bright woman. She graduated from Radcliffe College, was a sports reporter for the New York Times, and had many successful things. And she knew skating terrifically. She wrote a book about figure skating and figures and that. She was a very articulate – and as I told you, Frank and Ludy are great fans of her, as am I. And – she coached Tenley, too, in the 1956 Olympics. She was a great coach. Dave: So, after winning the junior pair title, why did you decide to move on from skating? Chuck: Well, in the days when I was competing, we won in 1955, we skated in senior pairs in 1956, but then I graduated from college. And there was – I just had to go on with my life. And that’s what prompted me to resign – or, to quit from skating with Maribel. And it was difficult because we had been – in those days, they selected the world team from the nationals the year before. So we had been selected for the world team in 1957, but didn’t go ahead. Of course Maribel – I was back in North Dakota at the time, and it drove her crazy that I quit there. So – but I had to go on with my life, and that was understood. Dave: Where were you when you heard about the 1961 plane crash? Chuck: Actually, I was in the lumber business, and I was on a business trip in Oregon. And I was in – well, I’ve forgotten the town, but I was in a motel and I got up and turned the TV on, and ohhhhh… they said they were all gone. All gone. So I immediately couldn’t believe it – in a state of shock. Because they were all my friends. I had just seen them. I had just been with them after the nationals and back in Boston – just seen them. And I called the club, Mary [inaudible] – I don’t know if Mary was there when you were there, but she was the club secretary. And I said – Mary, is it true? And she said – Chuck, yes, it’s true. They’re all gone. Very, very traumatic for all of us. We’d spent the summer, all of us, having fun. They’d come to Duxbury Peak – Maribel and the two girls. A lot of the other skaters who were skating up in Deadham at the time – had a rink in Deadham off Route 128. So, it was quite tragic, and I still think about them, you know, every day. Little memories pop up. Jenny: Did you ever have thoughts, Chuck, that you could have been on that plane had you decided to stay in the sport? Chuck: Yes, in that respect, but I had left skating, so I’ve never said – gee, I was lucky I missed that plane. And I skated – Maribel wouldn’t let you quit. So, I don’t know whether Dudley – the timing was great because for Dudley, he had just come out of the army in 1958. Or, he got out in ’60, I believe. I went into the army in 1958, so I would have been in the army at that time. So he was back, so he was easily – slid into the spot to skate. He was a fine skater, and they had a lot of success. Jenny: Well, and you talk about moving on from the sport. But you didn’t leave skating. You then decided to become a judge. And I’m wondering – that’s kind of an unusual decision for someone who’s gone to college. You talk about moving on with your life. So why did you make that decision, and what was the process like of moving up through the ranks as a judge? And how does that process compare for judges today who are starting at the bottom? Chuck: Well, I think we should encourage young skaters to become judges more than maybe they’re doing. While I still was competing, I started to trial judge – to become a judge when I was in college. Why did I do that? Because I thought I could do a better job than some of the judges! And so I thought – I would like to be a judge. So I actually became a judge while I still was in college. I was a low-test judge. And I just progressed from there. You went from a low test to an intermediate to a high test to a national judge and then international, and then championship. It just is a progression – and it was a hobby. It was a hobby that grew beyond my wildest dreams for me in that respect. Just – I never thought I would be involved like that. But it just grew. And fortunately, at the time that I could devote to it, we were all volunteers, and it took a lot of time. But it was very worthwhile. Dave: Given the amount of time in travel that goes into being a judge, what kind of jobs do judges have? Because I think that many of us have thought about judging, but we only get so many personal days of vacation days from work. Judging a full day of skating tests isn’t an option for many. What was your career? Chuck: Well, when I came back out of the army, I had no idea what I was going to do. My father was a physician, and when I was going through college, and then I thought I would go to medical school. Well, I spent too much time at the skating rink, and my grades were lousy. And then it was not an option. So when I came back out of the army in 1960, I came back to Boston and started looking around – what I would do. Was there – I would work at a bank, an investment bank, or do something like that. Through my brother-in-law, I got introduced to a company in Western? That was a wholesale lumber company. It was a very Harvard-oriented company – almost all of the guys had gone to Harvard. And we had three former Harvard football captains working there at the same time! No company had ever done that – so I went into the wholesale lumber business, and I spent forty years in that industry. Dave: As a judge, you reached the highest level. When you served at a judge on the ladies panel at the 1980 Olympic Games in Lake Placid.