This Is a Complete Transcript of the First Part of an Oral History Interview with John W

This is a complete transcript of the first part of an oral history interview with John W. Fawcett (CN514, T24) for the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives. No spoken words which were recorded are omitted. In a very few cases, the transcribers could not understand what was said, in which case “[unclear]” was inserted. Also, grunts and verbal hesitations such as "ah" or "um" are usually omitted. Readers of this transcript should remember that this is a transcript of spoken English, which follows a different rhythm and even rule than written English.

. . . Three dots indicate an interruption or break in the train of thought within the sentence on the part of the speaker.

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This transcript was created by Emily Banas and Bob Shuster and was completed in June 2020.

Please note: This oral history interview expresses the personal memories and opinions of the interviewee and does not necessarily represent the views or policies of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives or Wheaton College.

Collection 514, Tape 24. Oral history interview of John W. Fawcett by Robert Shuster on March 27, 1995.

SHUSTER: This is an interview with John Fawcett by Robert Shuster for the Archives of the Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College. This interview took place on [pauses] … FAWCETT: March 27th SHUSTER: …March 27, 1995 at 4:00 p.m. at Buswell Library on Wheaton College campus. John, when were you born? FAWCETT: I was born October 21, 1961. SHUSTER: And where was that? FAWCETT: Ft. Worth, Texas SHUSTER: And are you a Christian? FAWCETT: Oh, yes. SHUSTER: How did you come to know the Lord? FAWCETT: I was brought up in a Christian home and when I was four, I initiated a conversation with my mother and father, I believe, and then the next morning I asked them if I could kneel and pray and ask the Lord into my life. SHUSTER: So, you grew up in a Christian family? FAWCETT: Right, my father was a pastor and then later a missionary to Brazil. So, from when I was seven until eighteen, I grew up on the mission field, São Paulo, Brazil. And then I came to Wheaton [College]. SHUSTER: How did you choose Wheaton? FAWCETT: Actually, Russell Shedd, a missionary there in Brazil, had been speaking with me throughout my high school years about what a great place Wheaton was and I applied here. That was actually the only school I applied to [laughs], so youthful inexperience or whatever [Shuster chuckles], but I applied to Wheaton. SHUSTER: Had your parents gone here or…? FAWCETT: No, I was the first in the family. Now so far, I’ve got two siblings that have been here beside myself. SHUSTER: And what have been your connections with Wheaton over the years?

FAWCETT: Well, after I finished in 1985 (I graduated a year later than my entering class because I took some time off) I went to the University of Chicago library school. And as I was finishing a year and a half later, I got a call from the Music librarian, who… SHUSTER: On campus here? FAWCETT: On campus here, yeah. SHUSTER: Yeah. FAWCETT: …who informed me that she was leaving and wanted to ask me if I would be interested in applying for her position. So, never expecting to come back to Wheaton so soon, I found myself in a faculty position a year and a half after graduating [Shuster chuckles]. And I took that position for probably four or five years in the music library. And then when my supervisor’s position became open, in public services, I took that acting head of public services and now head of public services. So, I came in ’87, it’s ’95, so eight years. SHUSTER: [Talking over Fawcett] Going on eight years. FAWCETT: Yeah. SHUSTER: And I know too that you have been active in various Christian ministries in the local community, can you mention some of those? FAWCETT: Well, yeah, I was involved in church music ministry throughout my college years, I was the piano player for a local church. After that I also was involved in a Christian ministry of healing some to people coming out of homosexuality. And then later through church and pastoral care ministries, to issues of healing in general, not just sexually related ones but involving prayer… SHUSTER: Which church were you…? FAWCETT: I was at Trinity Baptist [Church] at the time and I left Trinity Baptist in ’88. I was at Trinity Baptist for about eight years, from 1980, when I came, until ’88. And then I went to Church of the Resurrection, which was a then growing Episcopal church in West Chicago where the pastor had come recently, a Wheaton grad, and there was a real renewal that began in that church around that time and I wanted to be involved in that. And eventually that church left the Episcopal denomination over some of the theological issues that were stirring, among them ordination of homosexual priests which was really the tip of the iceberg, had to do with a whole lot of issues about Biblical authority and whole worldview shifts. But presently, that’s where I am attending, and I am also the musical director…

SHUSTER: Uh-huh. FAWCETT: …at that church; worship leader, I guess, would probably describe what I do at the church.

SHUSTER: Kind of like a master of ceremonies or…? FAWCETT: Well, I do the selection of songs for the worship and I work…. I don’t do a lot of verbal communication with the congregation. If it is appropriate, I do… SHUSTER: Uh-huh. FAWCETT: …but most…mostly its coordinating special music, working with the musicians and the team we have. I play the piano there [unclear]. Work with some students there as well, who do choir with me as well, so… SHUSTER: You mentioned the healing ministry and the music ministry. Aren’t you also involved with some of the student groups on campus? FAWCETT: Yeah, well indirectly. I’ve been… (I’m trying to think) I’ve done…I’ve done some small group chapels in the past and then I’ve had some…I’ve attended over the years with WCF, which is the… SHUSTER: World Christian Fellowship FAWCETT: …World Christian Fellowship, which is the context in which what we are going to talk about really arose. SHUSTER: Uh-huh. But you just attended those meetings? FAWCETT: Right, I’ve not actually been involved in terms of the leadership with that. SHUSTER: Well, you mentioned the events last week. When did you first hear that something was going on…something unusual was going on? FAWCETT: Well… SHUSTER: How…how did you learn that something was going on? FAWCETT: …I think that’s very interesting. I got a call at 11:30 p.m. on Mon…on Sunday night, which would have been a week ago Sunday. And a student, whom I know from church, and who…. Well, actually I had given a…a talk on…I think on…on issues of healing and so forth in their dorm. I had been invited to just talk to the dorm floor. That was one of the real connections I’ve had with this student, Doug Zimmerman. He called me to tell me that he thought there was something amazing going on, that there were a lot of students standing and confessing their sins and they were just looking for direction. I guess people were initially confessing and…and then just sitting down. And he said, “If you come over there should be a lot of opportunity for ministry here, if you want to be here.” So, I initially sensed his anxiety and I think I picked up a little of that. And then I came over…. .I prayed about it and I thought, “I should go.” But even as I was still coming over, I felt apprehensive about what I might find. I thought, “Is this going to be emotionally excessive? Are we going to have some kind of a chaotic sort of a thing going on here? Is it going to be overly focused on…on berating oneself for…for

© 2020. The Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. WCBGC Archives CN 514, T24 Transcript - Page 5 sin and not fully focusing on the healing and the forgiveness aspect?” And so, I walked into the chapel and as soon as I came in, I quickly saw that I was….I had misread the spirit of what was going on. I saw people really peacefully sitting in the presence the Lord as people who were confessing. And by the time I arrived, whatever had been going on earlier, wasn’t, because people were confessing and immediately being surrounded by their peers and some other…occasionally other faculty or staff members, who were…who were ministering to them. So, I felt….I stuck around for about an hour [chuckles] and it was by this time 12:30 and I was thinking about my work for the next morning. And I thought, “Well, this was a great thing. Lord bless this. I am going to go home and go to bed” [laughs]. SHUSTER: “They don’t really need me…” FAWCETT: [Laughs] “They don’t need me here.” Right. SHUSTER: You mentioned that when Don Zimmerman called you, he seemed to be kind of anxious… FAWCETT: Doug SHUSTER: I’m sorry, Doug Zimmerman… FAWCETT: Uh-huh SHUSTER: …seemed to be kind of anxious. Do you think, you think for the same things that you were…? FAWCETT: I think perhaps. He had a real….he’s a great guy, a great student, who has a real vision for spiritual maturity on the part of the students. And he’s an RA [resident assistant, in a dormitory], I think. And so, he was just seeking to have some help, I think. But he actually was not involved in the leadership of it and I observed the people who were leading: Kevin Engel, assistant director of the Office of Christian Outreach, and [Name Withheld], who’s the student chairman of the WCF. SHUSTER: Yeah, I interviewed him this morning. FAWCETT: Yeah, and I found them to be….throughout this entire week I…it was evident that the Spirit had moved in them to be giving shape and direction to what was going on. That was beautiful to watch. [Laughs] [unclear]. SHUSTER: How many people were there when you came? FAWCETT: Oh, that’s a…. An estimate. I guess Pierce [Chapel] seats about 700 some, I’m not sure the exact seating capacity. But I would estimate that by the time I was there, there were probably in the range of 550 to 650 immediately close to…. It was close to full. As I stayed there were people who were coming in and there were some who were leaving. So, there was a little bit of a turnover due to the hour. But I think as people began to hear on campus that something was going on, the word started to spread and some more people began to arrive.

SHUSTER: You mentioned how it was rather quiet and solemn when you arrived? FAWCETT: Yeah, I would say serious, in a…in an appropriate sense, but not morbidly so. It was…it was more of an awe of I think that this is something that no one had manipulated or orchestrated, this is something the Lord has done. SHUSTER: Was the whole meeting more or less focused on whoever was at the microphone or was it broken up into several groups or…? FAWCETT: There were two microphones and they alternated speakers at each one, so that the lines could move. There were groups of people praying together in the front on the floor. And I recall some students maybe even at the back of the…of the auditorium over there praying together. I think definitely the only thing going on communally…the only thing going on publicly was the individual speaking at that moment but as soon as that was done, then there would be prayer for that person and another person would begin speaking. So, there were sometimes the trailing off of ministry groups… SHUSTER: Uh-huh. FAWCETT: …going on while another person was speaking. SHUSTER: Was there any kind of music or singing going on? FAWCETT: Yes, in fact sometimes that erupted from groups who were praying together for a person. They began singing as a part of the ministry or thanksgiving. And a couple times it was picked up by the whole group while I was there. And people just sang, I think, the chorus of “Great is our Faithfulness” [Shuster chuckles] at one point or “I love you Lord,” I think, was one that I remember singing, so… SHUSTER: What were the people confessing? FAWCETT: Oh, when I was there, I heard several things. It’s…it’s difficult to remember exactly what I heard that night versus what was going on on other nights because there was such a…kind of a flow together of what went on. But I think the themes that I heard were pride and self-sufficiency, hatred, judgment of others, hardness of heart, insensitivity to the Holy Spirit and to the Lord, specific compulsions, sexual masturbation, pornography, lust, homosexuality, sexual impurity, inappropriate boundary violations in relationships, then alcohol – other compulsions and addictions. I don’t think that night but later I heard people confess smoking had been as a form of rebellion. But then let’s see, I think there were some people who were dealing with eating disorders. And so, a combination of personal sin and at times also a request for support and healing and help with an aspect of personal brokenness that maybe didn’t involve sin directly. Somebody, for example, mentioning that there had been sexual abuse in the past but it…it can be one of those areas from which a tendency to sin or to respond sinfully can grow. It is also an expression of an area [unclear] where there is a need for ministry and healing and support. And that was so. It was beautiful to see that…the kind of acceptance and….and the

© 2020. The Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. WCBGC Archives CN 514, T24 Transcript - Page 7 openness that was going on did not engender judgement but rather compassion and…and a sense of unity, it called forth the Body [of Christ, 1 Cor. 12]. SHUSTER: And as you say, after each confession a group would gather around… FAWCETT: Prayed for them… SHUSTER: …an individual? FAWCETT: …and ministered them. It was…. More than anything I think that was what…that was what had been a concern of mine that was allayed by seeing the actual event. So, these people are receiving the kind of prayer that they need and they’re not staying stuck in that place of…of vulnerability and confession. They’re…they’re moving on to know that there is no condemnation. They can be…they can receive the Lord’s forgiveness and it was being administered through the Body. SHUSTER: Was it the same people gathering again and again… FAWCETT: Oh no. SHUSTER: …or were they…? FAWCETT: Some would be more than once, of course, but I saw people ministering to their friends, to people who perhaps had a similar struggle as their own, or simply at the call of the Holy Spirit they felt that felt that there were certain ones they should pray with. [Door opens] (I got it) [Door closes]. SHUSTER: Anything else you wanted to add about that first night? FAWCETT: Not anything then. I mean I think that… SHUSTER: Looking back on it, what did you think? FAWCETT: Of that first night? SHUSTER: Yeah. What are your thoughts about it? FAWCETT: Well, there had been students who came from Texas to speak. And the set-up had been that there would be an open mike to respond…open mike to respond. And somehow by opening that door and allowing that opportunity, the campus was ripe for it. It was ready. And it’s….I think people have…. I’ve heard people say that well the Spirit tends to do this every twenty years or so. It’s been twenty-five since [the Wheaton Revival of] ‘70. I…I don’t know for sure if that’s true or if it’s that in some ways we haven’t always allowed the spaces or opened up the opportunities for people to…to do that. I’m…I’m not sure. I don’t believe that revival is something that we produce by following a series of steps. But I do think that walking in…in the light [1 John 1:7] and in the openness of confession is something that… [Knock on door, tape recorder turned off and on].

SHUSTER: We had a brief interruption while we changed rooms, but…but, John, you were saying about your thoughts on why revival comes and why revival. FAWCETT: Right. It just that when….I think that walking in the light and confession, like I was saying, is something we’re called to at all times, so I am not sure that that is necessarily what you’d call revival. SHUSTER: Uh-huh FAWCETT: But certainly, there was a kind of awakening here [laughs]. SHUSTER: Well, people seem to be all sorts of…giving all sorts of names to it but a gezornenplatz [something hard to define] that happened…that happened. FAWCETT: Yeah. SHUSTER: The next day, Monday, what…what were people saying about what had happened that night? FAWCETT: Well, I came to campus to….I had to load some things up from the basement of Anderson [Commons] or run to the Student Services building or something and I remember seeing a student walk across the campus and I said, “Well how late were you all there last night?” (And this was probably around 8:30 or 9:00 in the morning) and he said, “Well, 6:00 a.m.” [Both laugh]. And I said, “You’re kidding!” I think that’s when I began to be aware that “My, there is really something happening here.” And so that day I just had my ears open. I went to chapel and Bob Weber [professor of Bible] spoke on one of the cardinal doctrines, the Trinity. Very appropriate. I believe that was Monday. Are you…? SHUSTER: I don’t know. FAWCETT: I… SHUSTER: I was gone… FAWCETT: …can’t remember. SHUSTER: …all last…. FAWCETT: It was either Monday or Wednesday. But I’m pretty sure it was Monday. And then I prayed and thought about whether I should go that night but for some reason I knew I wasn’t supposed to go on Monday night. I think it had to do with some things for me, personally. As this all begin, the Lord was dealing with some things for me too. One of them was initially kind of a…a sense of envy, thinking “this was the kind of thing that was needed when I was a student.” SHUSTER: Yeah. FAWCETT: “I could have used this when I was a student.” And just coming to the point where I could fully bless what the Lord was doing for this generation. And the next thing I think

© 2020. The Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. WCBGC Archives CN 514, T24 Transcript - Page 9 was that I knew that if I came, I was not be coming out of a need to be involved at the center of what was going on or a need to control or it was….If I were…if I was to come it was to be present and praying and supporting what was going on. So, stayed home that night and then Tuesday was the next time when I….that day… SHUSTER: Let my just ask you, during the day on Monday did you talk to anybody about the meeting? Did anybody talk to you or was there…? FAWCETT: Well, I think, you know…you know it’s a little difficult for me to remember right now because I think my brother [Nathanael, a student] may have spoken with me as being the one leading the worship and I was aware of how tired people were from having stayed up all night. I remember thinking that it would be appropriate to continue it but there should be some frame given for ending it so students could…could keep alive and alert to what the Lord was doing so it wouldn’t fizzle out just because everyone was exhausted [chuckles]. And I had a talk with Jeff Davis [professor of English] about that. And I know that… (Well, actually that was on Wednesday that I….or Tuesday that I had a talk with Jeff. Well, I don’t know. Maybe it was Wednesday. It’s going together). But Jeff…Jeff had had a conversation with the chaplain [Stephen Kellough] and Kevin [Engel] or maybe it was Dennis Massaro [Director of the Office of Christian Outreach] and Kevin about the fact that….you know what was going on, “Should they let it go late or should they let it go all night again or should they stop it?” And his feeling was “Definitely, you should give an end to it so that students can get back to sleep and…” SHUSTER: “His feeling” being the chaplain or…? FAWCETT: Jeff Davis. And I think they concurred… SHUSTER: Uh-huh FAWCETT: …that that was the appropriate way to handle it. SHUSTER: At this point was there any awareness among faculty about…? FAWCETT: There was some talk about it in the library. I…I think I may have been the one who was telling some people about it. But I know that some were not aware because I…I shared this with some people and they said, “Oh that explains why some students were missing or why they were so zoned in my classes today” [chuckles]. SHUSTER: So, on Tuesday night you went again? FAWCETT: I did. SHUSTER: What was… FAWCETT: Tuesday… SHUSTER: …Tuesday night like?

FAWCETT: Well, Tuesday night there was a little conflict during the day over the location of the meeting because there was a scheduled Conservatory rehearsal in Pierce Chapel from something like 9:00 to 11:00. A group that needed to use the facility and the instruments that were there and had previously been scheduled. I’ll be very frank, I think that some people felt that the Conservatory should have changed its schedule and modified everything for the students to meet. And I don’t know what the attitude of the Conservatory administration was towards what was going on. But I felt very supportive of the need to demonstrate that the work of the Holy Spirit can flow within the context of the day to day as well. And that it was important for example not to cancel classes. It was a good to…to continue. SHUSTER: It didn’t have to stay in Pierce. FAWCETT: It….yeah, it didn’t have to stay in Pierce. And…and in fact, College Church opened its doors. I don’t know who made the contact but that was an available space and there…there were announcements posted and we went…we went over there. And I…I came that night with the sense that I’m just supposed to be here and available to minister and pray if there are people who need prayer. And I…I wanted to be a par…I wanted to be there…I wanted to be [sic] as opposed to be there to do anything necessarily. SHUSTER: Uh-huh FAWCETT: I want to be there. That night then I realized also what a wonderful space College Church was, partly because of the…the acoustics for the worship and the spaciousness of the hallways opened up a lot of space for this type of ministry to keep on going. People could gather more easily than they could in Pierce with the…with the cramped aisles. SHUSTER: They could gather in small groups FAWCETT: Small groups, right, after they needed…if they needed to seek out a friend for prayer or reconciliation of some kind. SHUSTER: Were you there from the beginning, from 9:30 on or…? FAWCETT: Yeah, I was there from the beginning. SHUSTER: What was the program? FAWCETT: Initially there was some singing and worship followed by some direction and comments from the leadership about how things should be….what was going on and what the format would be and there was a sense that they should continue with the opportunity to bring forward things that people wanted to get rid of. I wasn’t there Monday night but… (you’ll hear this from others as well) but there was a student who confessed having, you know, some…some sort of material, I think it was CDs, that were a barrier to his walk with the Lord. And he wanted to give them up, so he brought them, and they invited anyone else who wanted to…to go bring things in and put them on the stage. And they carted off…Lyle Dorsett [professor of Evangelism] carried off five, six plastic bags full of all kinds of junk and so that continued. And there was

© 2020. The Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. WCBGC Archives CN 514, T24 Transcript - Page 11 another bunch of stuff laid on the platform, not dramatically or sensationally, just quietly put there. And there wasn’t a lot of high pressure rhetoric about this being….you know about what genre of things people should give up or what kind of music shouldn’t be listened to. This was just very much a…, “If you know that something in your life is obstructing the work of the Lord then that’s what you need to give to Him.” And so then after that…those comments then they just allowed people to continue in their confessions. And that night was another wonderful night of a lot of honesty and openness and that went on ‘til 2:00, I believe. SHUSTER: Did the nights differ from one another in their character? Or where they all similar or…? FAWCETT: Well the…the two nights…the first two that I was there, Tuesday and Wednesday night were fairly similar. I’d say that Wednesday night dwindled more at the end. On Tuesday night there was a sense of having to bring it to a stop because there was still quite a few people in line but Wednesday night it dwindled down to a group that was…. I think everyone who wanted to share got to, at that point. And it was a smaller group by the end of the evening. SHUSTER: Smaller group altogether? FAWCETT: Altogether. Yeah, I think a lot of people….by then a lot of people were tired out and went home to bed [both chuckle]. But still the praying for…for peers didn’t stop. I saw twenties…I mean, sometimes twenty or more people would gather around this individual. It was a beautiful expression of love. I don’t know how comfortable it always was because there was…each person had the…the loving desire to get their hand on the individual being prayed for [both chuckle] so there was this kind of crush around some of them, but it was…it was…it was really…it was really beautiful. And there were some deep things confessed and there were divine appointments happening all over. I ran into a person who wanted to pray, and I spent probably an hour and a half out of the… SHUSTER: Somebody who… FAWCETT: …meeting ministering to him. SHUSTER: …knew you? FAWCETT: Someone who knew me, right, whom I’d talked to before about some issues. And we had a wonderful kind of prayer together and talking over some of the things in his life. We just found a room in the…the College Church building that wasn’t occupied and just went in there and closed the door and spent some time in prayer. And there were people doing that all over. So, by the…. so in a sense when I came back in it’s…it was, you know, “What’s going on? What happened?” [Both laugh]. I was down in front. I was in the front row with Mary Dorsett and Lyle and Jeff Davis, who teaches in the English department, and Kevin Engel and [Name Withheld], and other people. Oh, Mike Leasor [?], who’s been teaching full time as a…on a one year appointment in the Foreign Language department. Several of us attend Church of the

Resurrection, so we knew one another. And this is the kind of thing that in some ways I think we’re used to from our church ministry. SHUSTER: Kind of thing meaning? FAWCETT: Meaning not necessarily this kind of public confession but the kind of prayer ministry. Ministering to people who would bring a need and…and ask for prayer about it. Partly the things that a lot of us have received as well. And I think as you’ve seen the Lord work in your own life it gives you a desire to see that for others and to pass it on. SHUSTER: You mentioned that you saw manifestations of divine power there. Can you think of some examples? FAWCETT: Well, I think first of all the presence of the Lord was…was something in the room that was evident because of the depth of the honesty and…and clarity of what people were confessing. I didn’t feel that…. You know, it takes the illumination of the Holy Spirit to name your sin right. And I felt that people were naming their sins rightly. They were not self- justifying, they weren’t naming other people’s sins [chuckles], they weren’t indulging in self… SHUSTER: Pity or…? FAWCETT: Yeah, pity or a kind of emotionalism. It was…there was emotion, that’s for sure. I think many people were tearful as they shared. Because it…it broke into shame as well. And that’s another evidence I saw, people needed…. The confessions were difficult to…to give at times but there was also a sense that by…by speaking those things out even though they were hard, there would be….the power of secrecy would be broken. There would be the possibility of moving forward from that place, the possibility of…of receiving healing, of getting support and help for it. That was one area, I’d say as far as the power of the Lord, one way…. Another way was the joy that was coming. I mean it was coming to individuals throughout the whole week [laughs]. And I remember Wednesday night (I’ll jump ahead here) there was a young man I felt particularly led to…to go and pray for. And after he had shared and people were ministering to him, he...he was weeping and just saying, “No condemnation, no condemnation.” He was just so aware of how what he would fear the most was not what he was going to encounter. And that’s the grace of God. And that’s what I saw there. I was…I don’t know if this…. say something about other confessions. SHUSTER: Sure FAWCETT: I did hear some that I was concerned for. I heard, I mean some people, deep wounding, deep psychological depravation, serious patterns of depression in some people. And throughout I was praying for the Lord to bring them the help that they would need long term. Because it was clear to me that this would need follow-up and this…this has been healthy and it’s of the Spirit and there will be a need for more. SHUSTER: More follow up, more…?

FAWCETT: Uh-huh. More…more…more understanding, more teaching, more healing, more prayer, more maturity, part of it’s just walking in maturity. So, when someone comes and….you know anyone who’s been in….works with recovering alcoholics, for example, knows that it’s not a simple statement… SHUSTER: Uh-huh FAWCETT: …that leads a person into…into freedom, it’s a process. And so, step one of the twelve step format are, you know, are you own [admit] your powerlessness. So, there was a great first step taken for a lot of people but there are other steps after that. And so…so I mean, I’m just aware…very aware of that and I think the whole leadership was aware. This topic came up in conversation with the chaplain and other people. SHUSTER: So, what did they do? FAWCETT: Well, I think that’s happening now.

SHUSTER: Uh-huh.

FAWCETT: I mean there’s stuff going on right now. But there was no attempt to stop any confession, but during…. There wasn’t a need to, I didn’t feel. There were people though who would go up beside the people confessing and pray with them and support them even while they were confessing and then pray with them afterwards. SHUSTER: What part did music play in the services? FAWCETT: First of all, I think it served to invoke the presence of the Lord and put everyone’s focus on that. Then at the end of each evening….at the end of Tuesday, Wednesday, and especially Thursday night there was an extended time of singing. And Tuesday…Wednesday and Thursday…let’s see Tuesday and Wednesday night both Kevin Engel or [Name Withheld] would pause in the midst of some of the confessions and invite someone up to speak and Tim Beougher [assistant professor of Evangelism] and Lyle Dorsett both spoke to some specific issues of steps to take from here, instructions that needed to be given and the kind of [unclear] that really helps it and also there was some scripture reading that was going on. The worship team was….my brother was….Nathanael, who’s a junior here, was playing the guitar and leading the worship group. Andrew Chignell was on the bass. I’m not sure the names of all the others. But there was someone at the very front playing a keyboard, there was a drum set, a pianist, and a singer, another singer, and, yeah, a bass and guitar, right, no electric guitar. And as Andrew Chignell said to me, “It just so happened that Nate’s whole band was playing on the night when it happened, so we ended up doing it for the whole week” [both laugh]. SHUSTER: Did anything particularly strike you about the singing or other music? FAWCETT: Well I’ve been in other contexts where worship comes alive, in that old hymns, are sung with new vigor and understanding, where the congregation is gathered by the music in a

© 2020. The Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. WCBGC Archives CN 514, T24 Transcript - Page 14 real focus on the…on the Lord. And that happened, especially at the ends of the…of the evenings and then on Thursday night. SHUSTER: You mentioned scripture, were there any passages that were frequently referred to or…? FAWCETT: One particular one came up, I think, two or three times. Once….It was read at one point and then students referred to it in their confessions at times; of the…the house being swept clean and having seven evil spirits going out of a man…an evil spirit goes out of the man, the house is swept clean, empty and then the spirit comes back with seven others worse and the state of the [unclear] [Luke 11:24-26]. And students were…were expressing that in the context of the need to be filled with the Holy Spirit and the need to fill their lives with good things in the place of some of those things they were confessing as being sinful. And so, the Word and prayer and these kinds of things were highlighted. SHUSTER: What was the attendance of faculty or staff on those Tuesday night or Wednesday night as far as you can tell? FAWCETT: Oh, let’s see. I mentioned I saw Tony Payne [assistant Dean of the Conservatory] and Christine Kepner [associate Professor of Spanish] there one night. Now the Wayne Martindales [professor of English Literature] were there, several nights at least. I know that Dr. [Duane] Litfin [Wheaton College president] came on Wednesday night, spoke to a degree [?] about his own reticence in coming at the initial part of the week because of not wanting to be in control and also not wanting to make people self-conscious and feeling that he should tread lightly where the Spirit was at work. Yet when he heard that people were…were seeing it in the light of some kind of lack of support or disinterest, he knew that it was important for him to go. There was a student who confessed that he had been bitter and angry at Dr. Litfin and actually went up and embraced him and confessed that he had judged him unfairly. Incredible [laughs]. I mean, it was…it was I think a blessing to Dr. Litfin. And of course, Lyle and Mary Dorsett and Tim Beougher were…were down there at the heart of things throughout. Tim and Mary…I mean Lyle and Mary through their discipleship groups and his classes on evangelism and revival I think are….have discipled quite a few students who have this in their hearts and…and been praying for this. And of course, Mary Dorsett’s little booklet on revival at Wheaton had been distributed.... SHUSTER: Uh-huh. FAWCETT: …to all the students on campus. And I think….several have referred to that in…in their talk…in their sharing, either in their testimonies or their confessions. So, I think their role was…was to [unclear]. SHUSTER: Some of the people that we’ve interviewed have said that there seemed to be from the faculty as whole a kind of a standoffish or lack of interest. Do you think that’s accurate or fair?

FAWCETT: I don’t have full knowledge of where the faculty are on this right now. I was in…I am on Faculty Council and on Thursday afternoon we met with the President as part of our regular monthly meeting with him and while there was some concern expressed for the vulnerability of the students’ confessions, there was overall a real concern to support students. That’s at least within the Faculty Council. I’m aware that there may be some opposition to public confession and using your community as a church and feeling that it’s not appropriate for…for this sort of context. But I don’t know really what those arguments are. I haven’t dialogued with those I’ve been told who feel that way. I think undeniable fruit though has caused critics to pause at writing the whole thing off. I had a student come the morning after, I think it was either Monday or Tuesday, wrote me a note that he had returned some stolen material from the library. I talked to another faculty who had said that students were coming to confess having cheated on exams. This kind of honesty [laughs] “against such there is no law” [Gal. 5:23] [both laugh]. And the way in which it was resulting in freedom for students was an undeniably positive thing. And one faculty member expressed in…in our meeting that it was Lent; a season in the church’s history of repentance and preparation. And I’d thought of that earlier and I think that’s good, I think that’s right. And Lent doesn’t last forever.... SHUSTER: Uh-huh. FAWCETT: …you come to Easter. And I think we’re going to have a great Easter [both laugh]. SHUSTER: Any…you mentioned that there has been a few opposition perhaps on some faculty members.… I know on the computer listserv on campus there have been vigorous discussions, pros and cons of some of the…of the meetings. Have you been aware of other opposition on campus generally besides what you’ve already mentioned? FAWCETT: No, in some ways I was so taken up with the…with what was going on that I didn’t really seek it out. And there’s a real danger here. I think there is opposition to the Lord’s work often because of fear. I think we have to be very careful…very careful though not to quench the Holy Spirit. There’s a kind of pride that can judge other people’s confessions too, saying you know, like, “You’re not confessing perfectly” or “You’re not….” And I find that to be really dangerous. It grieves me, I mean, that there would be that kind of the callousness to the person. Because I think we’re dealing with people here. We’re not just dealing with an idealized understanding of what should happen, we’re dealing with people who are expressing their pain and their need. And the loving response is to…is to…is support them and if they need correction, do so gently and in love but not in condemning their…what they’re doing. I don’t think that’s helpful. SHUSTER: Have you been aware of much participation in the meetings by people outside the campus, local people…? FAWCETT: I was aware that there were people present from other locations. I saw people from my church, I saw people from College Church, other mission organizations. I am aware of. Later

© 2020. The Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. WCBGC Archives CN 514, T24 Transcript - Page 16 in the week people came from other campuses. And there was a young woman who shared from another school… SHUSTER: Do you know what school it was? FAWCETT: It was a high school student. Yeah, who I don’t know where she was from for sure. There was somebody there from Trinity, I think, College up in Deerfield, you know, it’s now Trinity International University. But that’s all that can spring right away to mind. SHUSTER: Uh-huh. Was it…this Sunday at your church was there any kind of discussion… FAWCETT: Oh, yeah [chuckles] SHUSTER: …during the fellowship service or mention of…? FAWCETT: Yes, there was. We….I…I should get in here sometime about Thursday ‘cause I really… SHUSTER: Well, why don’t we do that now? FAWCETT: Should we do Thursday and then jump to Sunday? SHUSTER: Sure FAWCETT: Well, Thursday night the…the group who was praying and discerning….I met with this group once after chapel on Wednesday and it was the… Lyle Dorsett, also Tim Beuogher, the chaplain, Steve Kellough, Kevin Engel, [Name Withheld], and myself. I think we were the ones that met. SHUSTER: Then as far as the leadership from [recording is stopped and restarted] …the chaplain…? FAWCETT: Yes, the chaplain was…provided just admirable leadership. I felt his presence…. He stayed through the whole thing. Even all night, one night. And his addresses to the campus community to give it his encouragement and support and at the same time to help provide…. I…I…The image I had was that he was helping to provide the frame for it, the…the wineskin for it so to speak. SHUSTER: What are some of the things he said that helped you…? FAWCETT: Well there are some of them written that you can get a hold of. He just addressed the fact that this was good, it was holy, it was Christian, it was appropriate. It was not excessive. That it was something we couldn’t manipulate; it was a move of God. We need to be supporting it in prayer and that we were going to continue and…and following the Spirit. That we didn’t…. And for him, as a person who’s known for being a meticulous scheduler [both laugh]…. I mean he was so willing to let go of that which was, I thought, a great step for him. To have to…. Things weren’t timed. It was very event oriented. It was not schedule oriented. And so that was another way in which he helped provide context for it. But Thursday… (was I on that now?)

SHUSTER: Uh-huh. What was…what happened Thursday night? FAWCETT: They discerned that we should move from a time of confession, since Wednesday night had really concluded with people’s having gotten the chance to speak if they wanted to. SHUSTER: Anybody who wanted to. FAWCETT: Uh-huh. At least that night. I think there were some on Thursday night that still wanted to, but the opportunity was made for them to come and approach someone sitting on the front row. They could go up privately and pray and confess. And so, someone came up to me and there were some people who came up to Mary Dorsett and had a couple of opportunities to pray with people. But overall the focus was then on testifying to what the Lord had been doing. And so, we began with…the chaplain gave a little more extended address, maybe fifteen…ten, fifteen minutes. And there was worship also at the beginning for a while. And then the mikes were open for people to share. And there…there was applause and joy after each one of these. SHUSTER: What kind of things did the chaplain say? FAWCETT: Similar – encouragement, direction to ongoing means of support and means of grace. I’m trying to recall if he drew upon any particular scripture passage. I don’t remember. I’m sure that’s…that’s probably written out as well. I remember it just being very appropriate and anointed for what needed to be said at the time. And there were some things I think in the testimonies that I felt…. The very first person who stood up was very emotional and strong in her call for missions. And I remember feeling a little bit taken aback. I…I thought, “Either this is a very strong prophetic word that we need to be hearing or….” I mean, it came with such obvious intensity and I did not know how much of that was the Spirit and how much of it was the woman’s own… SHUSTER: Uh-huh FAWCETT: …response. And I’m…I’m just being very frank here. SHUSTER: Sure, sure FAWCETT: But I…I know later in the evening that resulted in some good fruit and I think it as appropriate. There was one confession that I…or testimony that I felt was a little immature. One man expressed the fact that he had been dealing with lust for years and what these last three days he hadn’t. And so, he was conscious of the Lord taking that problem away. And I felt “Yes, praise the Lord he knows there’s freedom possible. Now he’ll need to walk through what it is that brought him to that place in the first place and taking steps to learn how to handle his…his body and himself in a holy way.” And I felt not skeptical but a little [laughs]….Well, I guess you would say skeptical. Not...not accusing him but just think…thinking, “Oh, dear friend” [both laugh]. You know, “Well, I hope the Lord will give you the courage to not to…not to be frustrated when you…you find that some of those temptations might hit you again.” SHUSTER: Uh-huh

FAWCETT: In fact, that was stated several times, that “the presence of temptation is not equal to falling into sin and that does not mean that the Lord has not done something solid in your life this week.” But then others were of beautiful reconciliations that people had had, of timing of events….one student had gone (I don’t know if this was told to me privately or if it was there publicly) but one student had gone back to her dorm room to seek out another friend and that friend was in her room weeping. Just waiting and praying for somebody to…to reach out to her. One student was really converted and told her story (I won’t repeat the whole story here, I think you can hear it…). SHUSTER: This was the student who was at the BGC museum chapel [Penny Mason]? FAWCETT: Right. Who stood up to tell….and that…that…that testimony just [laughs]….it released great joy. I mean that was…. SHUSTER: That’s… FAWCETT: ….I’m still full of the joy of that. SHUSTER: …that’s one that everybody’s told us, and I saw this morning it went out over the listserv too to Australia and Hong Kong and… FAWCETT: Huh, that’s something. SHUSTER: …also it’s spread widely in the last few days. FAWCETT: [Laughs] Yeah, I’m sure. And that’s the work of the Spirit. And then one man told about how he brought….how the Lord told him he had to get rid of certain CDs and he was arguing with the Lord about what he should….about keeping some of them or selling some of them [Shuster chuckles]. And he was convinced he had to get rid of them so no one else would stumble over those either and just crushing them on the way and just his feeling of being filled. And we ended I think with a student coming up to say (the last student there) that he had been empty and been filling his life with certain things and then he learned that he could ask for the Holy Spirit to come. So, he asked for the Holy Spirit to come and fill his life. He said, “I wish I could stand here and glow for you [laughs] so you can see how I feel.” But he was glowing anyway. And he asked if we could sing, “It is well with my soul.” So, we sang that. And then we went into a time of…of worship. But before we did, I think right at that point…. One point that evening, prior to the conclusion of all the testimonies, a trustee, Jeanne [Blumhagen] … (Can you help me with her name? Do you remember?) SHUSTER: The doctor? FAWCETT: Yes, the missionary doctor. SHUSTER: Oh, yeah, I know what you mean. But I can’t remember the name, [unclear]. FAWCETT: Yeah [?], it could be, it could.

SHUSTER: I don’t remember. Dr… FAWCETT: Yeah, I know her…her name is well known to me but I…I can’t remember it right now. SHUSTER: I can’t remember. FAWCETT: Anyway, she stood up to share about the call…about the need of missions in the world. The need for missions in the world. And there was a student earlier on, an Indonesian student named Leo, who had talked about the way in which missions sending from Wheaton had been connected at times with the movement and spirit of revival on campus. And that following those years many students had gone out. This is well known, I think, to many. But it was brought to the attention of the students. And then there was no pressure but there was a word that, I think, a guy name Patrick had, who gave it to [name withheld], and said “I think that those who feel the call of God in their lives to…to Christian ministry and service should be given the opportunity to come forward that we could have a prayer dedication for them.” And they came….they announced that if anyone wanted to do that….there was no pressure that, “You need to do this. Those who want to do this can receive a prayer.” And I was standing next to Lyle Dorsett and it was hard to hold back tears as we saw probably 300 students…every space in the front of the sanctuary and all the aisles were crammed with students kneeling. And [name withheld] began the prayer and then handed the mike to Dr…to Lyle Dorsett to finish. He prayed a prayer of commitment and of anointing of the students. Then we went to a time of rejoicing and praise. And it was some of the same songs that we’d been singing throughout the week, “One Name Under Heaven,” “Pour Out My Heart,” and then two that recurred frequently, well three, one by Graham Kendrick [UK worship leader, Christian songwriter], “Let the Light [Flame] Burn Brighter,” I think, something like that, and then “Let Your Glory Fall In This Room” and “We Will Dance.” Actually I… (it’s a pretty self-serving comment here but I’ll throw it in because it gives me a little pleasure) …that I had introduced my brother to that song “We Will Dance” [both laugh]. Someone at my church and also…. had given it to me on a tape, and I said, last Easter I had said, about a year ago now, I had said “Nathanial, I want you to hear this song. I want us to do it at Easter at our church.” And he was blessed by it and later introduced it to WCF. [Both laugh] So that “We Will Dance” kind of was… SHUSTER: [Chuckles] Was your gift to the people? FAWCETT: Oh, I hope. I mean, they…they really entered into that because it…it promises the ultimate consummation in the Lord’s presence with the Bride of Christ, the completed body, in…in a holy dance with him on the golden streets. And…and that church….that College Church sanctuary has such incredible acoustics and with 1500 people or more (I…I guess it was standing room only) singing at the top of their lungs [laughs]. It was as though we could ascend, I mean [Shuster chuckles]. And…and then the spontaneous clapping and applause was like the roar of many waters around the throne [Revelation 1:15]. I mean I…I have been in a situation similar. One time I was in a church in Pittsburgh where we had to stop after every phrase of “A Mighty

Fortress is Our God” [laughs] because people were so moved to the…the meaning of the words. It…it was just joy. I have often thought we yell, and we cheer at sports events, other kinds of public gatherings, but it’s…it’s very appropriate that we have that same kind of expression in relation to the Lord and to our worship. And the sounds of Sylva [?], you know, that shouts for the joy of the Lord Psalm 98:4],” “you clap your hands all you people.” [Psalm 47:1] But that joy was to me again a sign of the Holy Spirit’s work and also a lifting of the heaviness that could lay on people through all the confessions that they had been hearing. It was an affirmation of hope, love, and of…of the true new identity that we have in Christ. It was….you didn’t really want it to be over [Shuster chuckles]. When it was finally completed it must have been after 1:00 or around 1:00. I didn’t end up leaving until around 2:00 because there was so many groups talking and reflecting on what had happened and some students that I ended up praying with after the end of that meeting. So that…that was Thursday, in…in a tiny nutshell. SHUSTER: You mentioned some of the highpoints that there were for you during the week, were there low points? FAWCETT: Sometimes the morning after [both laugh]. Fortunately, my work schedule was set so that I could sleep in. So, I mean, I’d go home, and I’d try to sleep after work for an hour or so before getting there at 9:00, 9:30. But…I actually got there at 9:00 usually to pray. That night before on Thursday I gathered with the worship team, anointed them all, I had some oil and I just blessed them all. And it was a very special time for me and my brother because I’m eleven years older than he is and I’m the worship leader at the church. For me to be there and see him anointed to that, leading that way, it just blessed me. I mean, I was…I was just so proud of him, you know. And…and I think also I just wanted to lend my full blessing and support to him. And part of being there for me was just to sit and be present. And many students came up and expressed appreciation (and some who I didn’t know) just for the fact that those of us on the faculty had been there. Just our being there somehow communicated something to them. And I think that’s reason enough to have been there. But there weren’t really many low points during…during the meeting [laughs] that I can think…. I think when it was all over there is always the kind of coming down off the mountain into the everyday. But I’ve had enough of that experience to know that the Lord’s as much present now as He is then. And it’s not a matter of seeking after experience it’s seeking, cooperating with what the Lord’s doing. And I was sharing this with my pastor throughout the week, whose comments were always things like, “Well, there’s wonderful things ahead. [Laughs] More to come.” You know, just kind of hope and looking to what the Lord would do. And I also kept feeling, “this is what we needed at this time. The Lord must know we need this now for what is coming up. Who knows what’s in the future?” [Unclear.] SHUSTER: You mentioned at the beginning, but have you been involved in other revivals or other awakenings, whatever you want to name it? FAWCETT: Right. Not like this. But I’ve been involved in other times of powerful renewal in the Holy Spirit and joy in the Holy Spirit in people’s lives. [Unclear] And…and at church. I was

© 2020. The Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. WCBGC Archives CN 514, T24 Transcript - Page 21 thinking of Easter two….for the last couple years we have an…an Easter vigil service on Saturday night and the last couple years the Church of the Resurrection has been meeting on Wheaton’s campus. (And I should share some of this too because that relates to something unique from my perspective as a member of this church) But we…. SHUSTER: Where did you meet on campus? FAWCETT: We’ve met in Edman [Chapel] for the past two years. This Sunday was our last Sunday there. And we came into the chapel…. Well, first of all Pastor Cummings [?] has been meeting for probably five or six years during the summer for a week in Barrows [Auditorium]. The first year that we were here I remember someone had a prophetic word praying for Wheaton that saw the school almost in cris….like old moss was growing on it and there was this sense that the school had been resting on its laurels, not its academic laurels, but on its spiritual laurels, in a sense. That there was a lot of…. The capital of the past was the basis for what was going on. And the friend on this team, the brother who had this…this picture, said he saw the Lord’s light begin to glow within the buildings, the buildings begin to glow with an inner light. And we prayed that word, you know, that the Lord would do that. And that…. And our prayer has always been that…. My prayer has always been, “Lord for some reason you have made of Wheaton College like Jonathan Blanchard [First president of Wheaton College, 1860] said. And I was always aware of how that was a sovereign choice of God to use this place. There was nothing inherent in it that would call for Him to use Wheaton, it’s just He did. And so that word came. Then a word came when we were moving into Edman in…in totally unexpected circumstances. Our…our church negotiated a contract to rent the space because we were growing. We had outgrown the West Chicago High School where we were meeting. And we moved into there was [?] a word about somehow the Lord would use us to bless the campus. And this was our desire all along, to bless the campus by our presence. Edman Chapel, for many students, I think, in years of dryness, has been a place of some boredom. Chapel hasn’t always been a vital thing. For many it has, but for some it hasn’t. But for vibrant worship, I remember coming in there, as the pianist and worship leader for the church and feeling that what we were going to see happen at Edman was a real re-symbolization[?] of that space for us. It was going to become a place of holy worship, in a way that it hadn’t been for many. And initially we were somewhat dwarfed by the size of the space but as we got to be at home in it and as the congregation grew, we were probably having 700 people or so, which when you scatter around doesn’t seem that…seems like we were filling it. SHUSTER: Uh-huh FAWCETT: With roping off some of the side sections and all. And the fact that it’s been so much of a desire of many people in our church to bless. And many people in our church are graduates of the school. And to see spiritual renewal come to Wheaton and to see a vital…the vital tradition continue. Not a sense of Wheaton needs some great big corrective or anything like that but just really see it grow and blessed…be blessed. For me it…it was significant also that it was our last week here. We…we came into this campus using a liturgy of confession for the sins

© 2020. The Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives. All rights reserved. This transcript may be reused with the following publication credit: Used by permission of the Wheaton College Billy Graham Center Archives, Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL. WCBGC Archives CN 514, T24 Transcript - Page 22 of our culture and the diocese. And we may…. In fact, I remember that I wrote part of that liturgy of confession along with the pastor and [unclear] pastor. But one day in my office, I just has a list of things the Lord laid on my heart that we need to be confessing. And so, we used that during the Lent right up to ‘til that first Easter here, which was 1992…’93. And it was a month after we moved into Wheaton’s chapel that we left the diocese, the break occurred with the diocese of Chicago, something around that time. SHUSTER: Uh-huh. FAWCETT: And the… I think I mentioned earlier that the homosexual issue had been part of it and when I heard students this week confessing homosexuality as sin, I…I…it struck me, you know, that’s…that’s a great grace to be able to see that because the political climate now is to embrace it and to justify it and that there could be that kind of confession and humility. In no way would I want to credit our church with…with this at all, but what I…what I felt was a blessing to have been in some ways a part of that. It was special for me, I don’t know if it was for anybody else. But that meant something to me. I was so glad. And in leaving a few months ago, the song, “Let Your Glory Fall on This Room” had been on my heart for our church so I had…I had led it a couple of times for Sunday morning services as a real prayer of my heart and for…and I think for the whole congregation to lead…to let the glory of the Lord fall on Edman and may it go forth from here to the nations. Let it be a light, a sending place. And so, all these things came together on that Thursday night, you know, when they were singing that very same song and…. But you’d ask if I’d been in revival before and I was just getting around to saying that when we were in…had our Easter vigil here two years ago there was practically dancing in the aisles. I mean it just was…it was…. SHUSTER: At the Church of the Resurrection. FAWCETT: At the church service. Yeah, the greatest release of joy. And it was…. I think it happened when a woman (no that was the year before)…. We had baptisms that night and that was really powerful. So anyway. And then Pastoral Care Ministries where I have seen people confess their sins not publicly but throughout the week. And there have been renunciations of… of sin publicly by a group, not individually, but as a group we’ve confessed sin. And then you see the Lord powerfully renew people. So, I have been involved in that. And the same Spirit was here. I mean it was the same joy. [Laughs] In fact I said to somebody, “You know, we had a mini PCM, a Pastoral Care Ministries school.” [Shuster chuckles] It was like that. It was that same sort of thing. And I was in awe of how the Lord was orchestrating it. SHUSTER: Did you go on Friday night to the Gospel Choir? FAWCETT: I did. SHUSTER: Did that seem to be part of the meetings or was there…? FAWCETT: There was such celebration amongst that choir. I mean, those people…many of them had been on…on a tour, I guess, the week before or sometime during spring break, and

SHUSTER: The one who was in the chapel when the girl… FAWCETT: When the girl went in, right. She’s been on campus through the week. They’re Campus Crusade staff members who had been released by Bill Bright [founder of Campus Crusade for Christ] just to stay around and help support in any way they can people who wanted further guidance or discipleship. And then we….since it was our last Sunday in Edman, we just had a real celebration [Shuster laughs]. We…we sang a little longer than usual. I could sense that there are people in our church that need that same opportunity. We need to be able have…. And we’re praying. In the Lord’s time, who knows, we may have a time of public confessing ourselves. And I heard of that going on last night, which was Sunday night. I heard of a student who had been at Glen Ellyn Covenant Church and they were having a kind of a public confession there amongst some group gathered that evening. That it was going on at 10:00 when students…after WCF closed. So, I think it will spillover to affect others. SHUSTER: You mention too before that steps were being taken now to help people who had confessed during services, particularly those with some more deep underlying problems… FAWCETT: Uh-huh SHUSTER: …or had coming out of dependency where they would need…. FAWCETT: Uh-huh SHUSTER: What kind…what kind of things are you referring to? FAWCETT: Well, I’m not sure what form they’ll take. I know there’s just an awareness that that needs to happen. Some things are in place already through the Counseling Center and through the Office of Christian Outreach and discipleship small groups and the chaplain. Some floors….I was talking today to one of the RAs in Saint [Hall, a dormitory], (Actually Doug Zimmerman, the same guy who called me initially) so he’s got a burden for this and he’s gotten together a group of guys who are going to set up a table in…in the dining hall once a week or more when people can just come and talk and process these things together. There….one other student came and….

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