Monday,Tuesday, June July 27, 12, 1977 1977 Asadha 21, 1899 (Saka) Asadha 6, 1899 (Saka)
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No. 27, Tuesday, July 12, 1977/Asadha 21, 1899 (Sako) C o lu m n s Oral Answers to Questions : ♦Starred Questions Nos. 425, 427 to 430, 432 and 433 i — 31 Re : Short Notice Question. 31— 34 Short Notice Question No. 16 34—44
Written Answers to Questions :
Starred Questions Nos. 426, 431 and 434 to 444 4 4 — 54
Unstarred Questions Nos. 3147, 3148, 3150 to 3216, and 3218 to 3 2 8 4 ...... 55— 185
Papers laid on the Table 185— 187
Question o f Privilege against Shri Kishore J. Tanna o f Messrs. Jamnadas Madhavji & Co., Bombay .... 188— 189
Re. Business o f the House . . . 189— 190
Demands for Grants, 1977-78— Ministry o f Labour 190-—230 Shri Ravindra Varma 190— 216
Ministry o f Home Affairs ' 230— 342 Dr. Karan Singh 231—245 Shri Ramanand Tiwary , 261— 271 Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath 271—284 Shri Mukunda Mandal 284— 290 Shri Kanwar Lai Gupta . 290— 303 Shri N. Tom bi Singh .. 304— 311 Shri Phirangi Prasad . 311— 319 Shri V. S. Elanchezhian . . 319— 323 Shri Bhanu Kumar Shastri . . 323— 330 Shri Jagannath Rao 330— 337 Shri Ram Vilas P a s w a n ...... 337— 342
* The siga ^marked above the name of a Member indicates that t^e Question was actua]]y tsked on the flcor c f the House by that Member. LOK SABHA DEBATES
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Tuesday, July 12, 1977M sodha 21, 1899 flT% ^ f5RT t "U^ (Saka) 4jI^'+)J ^ ^ srfy^ 5 ^«iwi'j»'i SPTT^ % f%TT ^r V R VT ^ ^JST^ The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the I # JTf5 tr^ ftr srfw ^ Clock TtN> ^ f SRT ?rk [M r. Deputy Spkakfj? iv, the Chair ] 2fft % ^ % ?T % ^nT»f ^ «r » ^ ^TP?Jr ^ ?TWT I 5 fp ^ ?TTT ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS ?TTfJT t ^ I ^ i f Ifw t ^ ? Tjwjr fWtsw If iftzT fmpT JT>o : J T F J m , 1971 i r TT^ry TT^ ?T W T ^ #WFW # *42 5. «ft HMift ^ : wzrr TW ?T<4‘k 1 ?PTT '■'Mir'i^i i'1'1 % SETTS’ *ft I ^ JT? 5?rWT »niT «TT ftr 1971 Jt TT^ +-K4)d ^ 5fls ?rr3T ?r^ j t j t w ^ f t | i { ^ ) ft, ^ eft m m ft vnf ^ ? r m WT I ?ft?: ^ ^ I n r f ^ ?fh: ^ I ? ^ T'^T^fTiT fw I I ^ cfT ^ ^nrir 1 1 CS w w n | ' ^ ^r^r ^ ?r ?>?n ?ft ?rr^^ ^rft ??TT?ft srnft ^ *nft (sfto w i t ^ ) : ( ^ ) =5TTf^ I # 3 rm r =^11^ p ^ 5ft gw*n?r jftTT ?TTf^ q r TT 5rftr ^ f%?nrr t w 'tttfSj ?SF7 3 T |?TT, q-fT TfT ?ftr ^ WT, ?TTT^ 5f k HfJTT^T ^ ^ ?RrT ? JT^'t ^ % g f w m f ^ 5JT^«rT ^cTTtT T i’^ SR »TIT I I ^ TfT I, 9Tft % qr^ f3RT 5fTT im t — ^ (or) sifq' ^ ^ w [ I ^ H I 3 Oral Answers JULY 12, 1977 Oral Answers sfto ? r r ^ : ^ Cn ^ 'R sr% ^ TT*P I ir f% WT7-ir3T % SRTJT 1J51T ?rtT HH-ftTT ^ ^rrmrt % t^ir ^ ^ '>1^ N fkvr ^ ^ f% 5ft tspfrM^- sTSf^a I f v TTV =F> f^RPTT t t — f3TW l»P=?r t srw?«r ^ Loading point—additional facilities jT^a’ % f%^rr ^ i at Udaipur City. Providing four additional crossing VTPl 5 »TTT V fV ^ : JTTTfm Jf^'t stations at: 5ft % -3 W K f ^ T I ^ ^ I Nasirabad—Bandanwara, Lanbia— Mandal. Hamirgarh—Bhilwara, Sam- TTT^sm ir TTSFT ^ «r-e^T bhupura Nimbahara. ^nuTT I ?TtT fqf^sft ?T ?ft ATddl. loops at. ^TTWT I , ifpfr iTfKIT f?T 5TcT Jjft | I Mandal. Gangnar, Rupahali. Extension of loop at: ^ q j ? : 8 *ft^ fTt qr q^r? Lanbia, J-lamirgarh, Mandsaur. % f5F«T5T t I ^ T ! m | Providing additional crossing stations w r ITT ozmrrft ITT 5rTT9T% between: TTT ?TR^ ?n»)'5)TTcr Dhodhar,—Dalanda, Dhodhar— Tf^rr^ % 1 ^ cr?% ^ftf?^ ^ ? ftT Jaora, Mandsaur—Pipelia, Namle— 5FTWT t, n ^3^ Ratlam. ?fV^ 9K tc t t t r if ^ 5rr?5T STiT^r I TT ^ 5TT% % f'TIT ^ 5 f k s n m t? ^ ^ ?fh: f*rft i=R^ f5RT% fwrti ^ ft ^ TcT^rrJT ^ 3T5 5'l oJ|5T it ?PF=ft'TT?ft t ?fh: firrft rf^ I I #1% jfTrft I I TR^«TR- ^ft fqwST ^ t TrT?rnT ^ cHTTJ 1W f ? n srt^T I ?-»T ?T H f^r % I ?r>T O' % f^rr | ^ ^Tft fir^ t I ?TT ^ f?r 3fr ?rr3r ^ ?rTf«r^ q rfF rf^ | ^ ^ qr f^r^nT ^fr 5 f JT^ET I ^ »T^ iftTT q r I ^ ft^ f ^ Tsftr: fTT ??^TTFT ift 5rrtT I ?TJR 9rrsTf3r Jr ^ rt rlT^fWi *7^ I HI *1 'fi 4( jft^ril^r ^ ft iftf t rn1% f?5TTTT =^Tf?TT f f gftf^ ^ftr ^ !fl^r«)OT q r ^ m x ^ 5*r ^ ^ 1 f eft ^ I f ?T ^TF^TET ^f t ^ f ^ r t ^ ^ ^ TT^ ^ 'S g > :7:o| I I ffR T ilT ^ 1 T sfto *r; f¥«i^ ; JTPrftq- ^ ^ T?: % ?TT7r9 q ^ ^ 11 irn ^ f5f^% «(T^ if ^T?rnTT JTR" JT? ^ I ^T5Toff ^ =^Tfrn ^ 1 ?Tf ^ ?T|t I f¥ sm ^ W STR ^rfk^ ^ % ^'I'H’l TT jf Jf rft ^ ?R % !T®BiT 5 Oral Aruteers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 6 «ft V^TTST: t *T^ ^ ^TT^ g w sft jftsT irsr t ftr fir V'jiJk % 350 f%5r>rVr ^ ?rr^|^^?rTT-Thr?r?:^% 3ft VT^v>?rTf>rT I JTf ftr ^ * T T ^ T t ,^ m 5Tk 53T^-1TTT ^ ^ ^ ?TT^ir ^r ^ f I »ft ^it»n ? TTTT ^ i W t rit ?T 3m % ^ ^TTf^T ^ it +irr ti^.'ii w lr sfto »TO : iTf ^ |, 3 5 ^ ITTW^TT^rTT I fir ?ff^-cr^ 'Tirqf^ ^ ?rr«r w -SHR ^ Zf? ^ ?T^ FTt WK qiRf^iiYW ^T^I I iT f t ?T^T r=( H> CM ?T*TT f f% r+dHi ?fh: ^ f m twrf^T^ TTW^ET ^ ^ 'Tt’TT ? ^ s rrfx v r % ^*k t t ?rf^ ^ rT fr^n 5 ? r f^ % jjcfiiai^t ir ^ ^t ^%^'S’ iHkt <.^ fiq ?rf%TT Tft% 5r ^ f> n t, w=2T%f^ ?r^irr 1w I t — 1 r^ wsrz ^r fitrt^t «fV ^ | i (b) if so, what are they; and «n R T T R ^ %3T>fT smr (c) if not when would they be fi ?ft ^arf^ I ?HTT !TgH srto i r j ^ i 7 SHRI R. K. MHALGI: May I know If ^ ?T^9^ ^ ^ H^>WT I why it has become necessary for the Ministry to formulate new no -ms and ^?RT ^ JT5 iilH'M criteria for issuing complimentary first t >TT fTT 1 class and second class railway passes? Oral Answers 7 JULY 12, 1977 Oral Answers PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: I ailRl K. LAKKAPPA; The position carefully went through the entire list about compUmentary passes has been of the complimentary passholders. I stated by the hon. Railway Minister^ am nstrained to remark this. There What I would Uke to know is this! were .noariy cases there in which these When reviewing the entire thing, wili corrolimsntar.v passes were given with the Government of India decide to do out any specific forms. Many members away with aU sorts of complimentary of the list are mentioned as social passes so that all sorts of political w orkers and when I tried to find out patronage is stopped? thro-jgh various sources as to what type of social work those individuals PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: This are performing I failed to understand Will only mean doing equal injustice what type of social work they are to all and I don’t want to do it because doing. There was more emphasis and there are genuine cases. There are premium placed on individuals than genuine institutions. All that I can on organisations and institutions. I indicate to you is this that while fixing only wish to indicate to hon. Members up the norms for the institutions and that we are devising the norms in such the individuals. I will not be guided a way that emphasis and premium will by the political consideration at all, be placed on institutions and not on whether the Member belongs to the individuals and individuals will not be Congress Party or the Janata Party, given passes unless they have got out it wili be the norm that will be taken standing work to their credit in which note of and. accordingly, the passes case the passes may be of help to these will be distributed. That much individuals concerned. Otherwise it assurance I can give to the hon. Mem will be on the organisations and institu ber. tions on which we will lay emphasis. TTo TTRift : f q i Jfsfl 3ft SHRI R. K. MHALGI; How many TTTRTVirrft qr%5r ^ such passes are now in vogue class- wise? If the decision of new norms twis'jintdsf f'TiW ? WT and criteria is taken this week then Trftnr may I know whether all those compli mentary passes will stand cancelled? % qTOR TT ^ I ? ^ % if PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE; When ^ ^ ^ ?TT^ I took over the portfolio of the Rail Jr ^ ^ sFqrq- f ?rr t ? way Ministry I found that 326 passes were there. Of course this excludes 5fto t complimentary pa.ss facilities given to various committee members on specific trr TT f Fsmr ^ routes or throughout the country. Mi^di I ^ When I went through the list 1 found that some of the cases were not de serving cases at all and I have left 5qf SHRI MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI: Sir, WITV J appreciate the assurance given by the hon. Minister to look into the matter of issuing complimentary passes. But, ^ ^ ^ ^rrfWr ^ the reports in the newspapers last fkqr «TT I w r x ^ iftfw TT month say that when the hon. Minister was in Madras, special consideration ^ ^ ?r> fqfJT TTf*r5r ^ was given to a particular Union— srnTJiT I ^ sfV qr Southern Railway Mazdoor Sangh— and two special trains were run on ?rcrw ? concessional basis to enable them to attend their meeting. Please don’t try to evade this question. % ^ I PROF. MADHUDANDAVATE; I am very glad that the hon. Member has raised the i.ssue. As far as the arrange ments of trains on concessional basis ^ ^ ^ ! T m ^ aft .are concerned, there are set norms. qr%5r % And, on a number of occasions, even ^rrrf^f i%tT inr ^ people attending the conference appro ached the Administration—they appro ^ ?rnr t ached in the past and they are appro f i t 't r t f5RT% aching now—and they wanted a certain reservation of trains. 1 can say J^hat 'Tf5H+" if ?TT I ? if the train is to be reserved, a certain amount has to be paid in advance and, SHRI MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI: Sir, if that is done, we are not concerned the hon. Member is within his rights whether those booking the train belong to ask any question. Now that he is lo the trade union organisations or attributing motives to the ex-Minis whether they are leaSers of the R.R.S. ters. I ask (Inte rrupiioiLS). . . .please or whether they belong to the Janata listen to me. Party or Congress party and, on the basis of the records which I have gone CHOWDHRY BALBIR SINGH: There through all these concessions or faci is no question of motive. It is a fact. lities were given to them and, in future also, irrespective of the political com SHRI MOHD. SHAFI QURESHI: plexions of the persons travelling and Weil, if it is a fact, then it is all the also the complexion of the trade union more reason why I get up and say that organisations, whoever comes forward if it is a fact and if it is proved that with a demand within the framework the passes were given on certain con- of the rules, all the facilities and con s’deration of smuggling, I will resign cessions will be availal)le to them. or the hon. Member should resign. Is he prepared to resign? Let the Minis SHRI K. A. RAJAN: Is he thinking ter make a enquiry into the matter. of at least issuing one pass to one Don’t do this mud-slinging. (Lmerrvp- trade union tions). Sir, I want an enquiry to be held on this. (Interruptions). PROF. MADHU DAJIDAVATE: Un fortunately, there is a multiplicity of SHRI O. V. ALAGESAN: Sir, in con trade unions in this country and if I nection with the question that has been announce that such passes are going asked by my hon’ble friend, I would to be there, instead of unification of like to say t^at six special trains the trade union, there would be only were run for this conference and almost fragihentatlon of the trade unions. all travelled without ticket in those Therefore, I vouia not unHertake specials. Further in ordsr to enable at all. these specials to be run several goods II Oral Answers JULY 12, 1977 Oral Answers 12 trains had to be cancelled thereby (c) No, causing great loss to the railways. (d) Does not arise. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE; Sir, (e) The representatives of the Asso I could understand if this question had ciation of Officers met me on 22nd June, been raised by a person not knowing 1977 in the presence of Chairman the railway rules. The hon. Member ONGC and they were advised to settle is very well conversant with the rail the issues by further discussions with way administration. As far as rail the Chairman of the Commission. The way employees are concerned they are Associations have also been advised to pass holders and, as such, they should submit a list of cases where they think not be put at par with the ticketless that action taken by the ONGC has not travellers. been according to rules. Grievances of Officials of O and N.G.C. sftTnTTFT: 3 5 00li'>nr»iM Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state; (a) whether attention of the Govern STTJT ^ ^ I wh: ^ ment has been drawn to the report ^3r>prsfm>5r¥|f I if ^ ir published in ‘Times of India” (8-4-77) in regard to grievances o f about 3,500 ^ I ?r>T 1 974-77 scientists and engineers belonging to v>fl i I ^ TT5TT ^ sfhftsPT % ^rfrtT Oil and Natural Gas Commission; 9 31 srTrqT t.tt ?rnr | (b) whether complaints have been fWrilrT if 6 04 m r I I 153.S raised about irregular promotion and ^ % frr I ^ 766 >tn^- other policies of the O & N G C; ^TTTT'T f*TO ’ETTtr I I 5ft trJT 5ft % (c) whether many qualified scien itnvTTf % t ^ft sft^r ?mT «r m t i ji r r tists and engineers left ONGC for want '4 of rational personnel policy; m «r %TT Jf »T ^ ^ ^ (d) if so, number of such employees ^ 5r^?rr?r 1 1 ^ ?ft zr? | who left ONGC during last three years; and fair 766 if 341 | ^ft % t ?fh: ^ 3ftf% (e) whether the Government will take necessary steps to look into the ^?rr% «r I 766if% grievances of the sctfentists and engi 341 ^ fr n fT H f^ ^ d't neers working with the ONGC; and if t I T # cTT? ^ ^ so, the nature of steps proposed for # wt 3rf^ ^ I the purpose? 3fr % srrf?: *nr f t THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS 4 i I I ?rnft^ ^ f (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA); (a) Yes, f%?ft qfTf^f^ Jf ^ Sir. (b) Yes, Sir. 4 1 11 «rr? 13 Oral Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers H 5fr»! I, sft*ft9nT qrVf^ €tw ^rflf ^ I «in; ?ftT 5T3r |*rr ^ I 5ft ?TTEnTW 5rT5T *T^ eft 5ft ? r W R zr^ «ft *TR^r t ftF ?TTT ?PT^ ^rtJTST ?rw7- *r *Tt^ t | I, 3ft fTT ^ «»I<1-^ld ^nr^JTT t ^n^TT % «ft ^ ?mraFT I ffr ^ r m r ^ wm Srfa'^M ^ 4ft< ?r^TT >T^ 5lf^»iiM if ^Ft J T I^ t cfT SFJTT fTTTq | f% ?fT^T t m x ^ c R ^ Tsm I I ^ % f ^ iT^ ^rfirl^ ett f?r%TT TTPJ^nft % sfr frrrtir | 1 »T5^ ^iT T ft t ? tr^ eft jftrftJR f r f ^ , fbnm ?ftoiT^o- 3fto»fr ^ ?fhoT ^ftar ? p :^ | 1 "2 T ?^ ?TTO ^ fH+^T ^'t f ^ * R ? t 4)iwii ^TT% f I 5^nrt ^ ?frT f ^ ? r ^ s r m r ^ t ?itt m f t ^ ^TRTT f, ^ ^ ^H^ftr Old N't I ?ftT ?ffolT^o3fl’oHVo % iPT-oqr^^ ^ |Cr :jq^'T ^'t^T = # IR ^ ^ ^?rnTT ? j r f ^ f ^ 5TT It I f^T 3fr ^ ^ jft^T ?nn: ^ qr t t| I I SHRI SAMAR GUHA; Sir, I want vt^ *il ^ ^ 5<9 5ft ?r*T>?TT to know whether it is a fact that the ^ fmr ?TT$, m m ^ f ^ 't t Iraqi Government had entered into an ^r»lT ^fTT f #■ 5ft ^3^ 5|^ f ^ T agreement with the ONGC for on-shore drilling but they had left in the *rr ft> 'R«!t 'T !^ ^t^r ^tprt ^ middle with the result about Rs. 8.0 ?rrarT»r5rtT'R f^rar«rr fr ^fnn^l crores have been lost. If so, what is 15 Oml Annoers JULY 12, 1977 Oral Answers l 6 the reason for not fulfilling the agiee- But the House will rejoice that our ment? Whether attention of the hon. technicians have made an impact on Minister has been drawn to the tact their capability and the Iraqi Govern that several complaints have been ment had thought it fit to sign an lodged against the present Chairman in agreement for a contract for drilling. regard to his appointment? He was They say: you drill here, whether oil formerly a sugar magnate of Hydera comes or not we will pay you. That bad. It has been reported that although will be more than two million dollars he has been the Chairman ol the worth of contract. This will prove ONGC, he very frequently visited that if what we had done earlier in Hyderabad and instead of remaining Iraq was useless and our capabilities in his headquarters, he remained aU were not up to the mark, the Iraqi the time in Delhi. It is also brought Government would not have signed to the notice that he visited foreign this 2 million dollar contract merely countries several times. During hii to please India or the ONGC. There visit to foreign countries, he stayed in fore, there is no complaint about that very costly hotels where the charges particular work. I have myself talked w ere too exorbitant. M oreover vhe to the Minister of Petroleum in Iraq, Chairman was not entitled to s’ay ti it was ill-luck for both that we did not such costly hotels. These kind of alle strike oil at an economical well, that gations are there. As already men is what he said. There was no fault tioned, in regard to promotion and re to apportion among the persons in the cruitment policies, there are cortain ONGC. The second question is whether irregularities committed. There are I have received any complaint whether grievances of some scientists who have the chairman has connections with the put in service for 7 years have not got sugar industry or is going abroad and promotion. But there are some staff uses accommodation higgher than who have just put in ser\ice for two Or permissible limits. When Shri Samar three jrears have got promotion. I Guha raised this question, enquiries would like to know from the hon. were made and tTiey reveal that he had Minister whether he would inquire into some connection with the sugar indus this aspect also. try. Earlier he was in the Bhabha Atomic Research Institute and he was SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA; I am great selected by a large number of people. ful to Shri Samar Guha for raising I am neither giving him a certificate this question. But this question nor with holding one except saying was also raised under Unstarred that this did not appears to be of any Questions. I have already answered relevant character as to be taken notice this question. He is quite right in of in an.v manner other than answering raising this question again. This is the question in the way I have done. not germane to the issue. But since the hon. Member has raised this ques The third which Shri Samar Guha has tion now, I would like to say something raised was about his stay outside on that. The first question relates to the country in hotels spending amounts Iraq. iC Iraq we had a contract, it ww beyond permissible limits. That also between Iraq and India to share oil is not correct because rules lay down if oil were struck in a particular area specifically what type of accommoda wbi<^ according to Iraqi studies and tion in admissible to every ofOclal in a our studies, seismic survey, etc.. appear particular category,including ministers. to have oil. Iraq felt that if it yield Therefore, nobody can override that ed less than 2500 barrels a day the well authority and charge more. Otherwise was not an economic one. Oil was audit will come on one’s head. There truck but it was not giving more than is no audit complaint so far on that 2200 barrels a day. Therefore the Iraqis account till date and so the audit posi said that they were no more interested tion is not in favour of the question. in it ^nd so we had to come out of it. The final question is whether so)^ 17 Oral Answers ASADHA 21. 1899 (S/iK /.) Oral Answers l 8 people had been promoted and some ^TR5ft?T ?r 5T5^ Jr ^ others had not been promoted. Promo tion is done by the departmental pro- «TT *p=r?fr ?fq-5fr it ir I motion committee. Guhaji would be I firrr ff ?T7 happy to know that there had been in this particular organisation about 171 I I t 5H TT ^ DPCs during the last three years and ^ ^ 5IT tiV sfi’ The Editor o f Oil Commentary’ is hardly a matriculate whereas persons SPR' % ^ tTT who are post-graduate and who have »Tf I I # ^ STTFTTT? taken training in England and outside are made to rot. Favouritism has been shown to him because of ministerial intervention. It iTi;iy be Shri Malavia or somebody else. The whole matter should be gone into completely. iriw w t ^ ifRFTH |WT ^ SHRI H. N. BAHUGTJNA; My hon. fiM t I JTf? ift rft friend has gone beyond the purview JPT ^ ^ t ^FPTT I of the question because ‘Oil Commenta ry' is not something which is produced ir v r r % | by ON (Sc. There is yet another orga % SRT ctfwur ^ nisation which looks after this type of ^ *rf, ? publication. I am looking into the whole organisation and my hon. friend «WT *!wt srrsr ? will be happy to learn that a couple of days ago, I haye written a note to the SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA: Sir, I Secretary for the justification of the Should try to refute the allegation with continuance of the particular organisa iiU the emphasis at my command. This tion itself and the various persons is a dangerous type of situation. This employed there. north-south question should not be raised in these types of matters. I t 3TH5TT would ask my hen. friend, whom 1 know and whom I respect a great deal to very kindly understand that raising this type of question causes more 5 r r f ^ rr«rr harm thiin any good to the whole coun try. 5FT 5Tf^9T?r | 19 Oral Answejs JULY 12, 1977 Oral Answers 20 fertilizer plant in the State of Assam based on the gas available from oil *Fts ^ ^ m r t ? fields of Oil India Limited and ONGC. Details regarding the location, the size «ft| *T ^ 5T?TT «5»pn : ITF 3Tf of the plant, etc., are being worked out and a final decision is expected to ^ |T7 ^ I ^ ^ ?m:er>r ^ft become available shortly. The cost ^ I I will be related to the size ol the plant ^ ^iT ftpft % ^ ?n> and. hence, it is not possible to give an estimate of the cost, at this stage. ^ fJT #jf I *rq-^ *Twrarir^ qr ^ ^ ^sTwrar ^ grr % SHRI NIHAR LASKAR; This is no doubt a welcome decision, but there •PfT «rr w ^Tnr%' ^ ^ ^wr are one or two points I want to ask. in-I if fiRT% May I know when this proposal was %% 11 fTT ?Rn: ^ sntnrr taken up and why there is so much of delay in coming to a final decision? ?ft % *Td I irfginT ^ For sites selection, may I know what ^ jR' ^i>-sl‘*f HT^nr procedures you have followed? S17T f^ f a r ?m7 sm "m ^ SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA; My diffi avcTV i=n:^f^^;CTxhrif^qiff% so culty is, I have still to learn the way ?fr>ff ^ %JTT I of repl.ying in relation to the past go\’^ emment as some of my colleagues do. All I can say is, I have processed the ftraftr Hm ; t ?r^ ^rpprr matter faster than perhaps expected. 'il^d I g f^?ff ot^R’ o^fr o^H«x:<.iiH- The thing is cleared in the sense that ^ «R ^TrTRT | I we are committed to doing it in this plan period. We have determined the total amount of gas available. We are a g W I determined to put up a plant of a parti ^ I I f^T iPT cular size to suit the gas availability. m F \ % ?TF?r,^ ^ t I The detailed working has to be done and that has been ordered. We are not delaying it a day more than Setting up of a fertilizer plant in necessary. Assam •429. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: WiU SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: What posi the Minister of PETROLEUM AND tive procedures have you taken up for CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be the site selection? pleased to state: SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA: About the (a) whether Government are consi site, in all probability it will be almost dering a proposal to set up a fertili the same as the present two plants— zer plant in the State of Assam; one is 600 tonnes and the other 200 (b) if so, when the final decision is tonnes^Namrup. likely to be taken; and SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA; This (c) what will be the expenditure was under consideration during the involved? previous regime also, this is a con tinuation of what Mr. Malaviya has THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, done. The actual amount of gas that AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS is flared off is very large. I would like (SHHI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) l>o (c). to know if the government’s instruction Yes, Sir. It is proposed to set up a is that the project will be such that a 21 Oral Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 2 2 m ajor amount of gas is really used up. nftx 5tt%^ ^ If not. may I know whether there are any private applications for licences to mW ^ ^ 'T?^T I ^ use the other gas which is stili going ^r??Tr ^ I waste? SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Are you SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA; The ques using indigenous technology or entering tion of giving it to private companies into foreign collaboration for this? does not arise. We have decided to put up our own plant. All the gas avail able from different sources will be ?ftT % afhrt^^TrfTTt brought by pipe to Namrup and the plant will be put up at Namrup. The *4 3 0 . TTtnnft : sprr ^ free gas which we have located plus 4dH ^ : the gas we are flaring does not appear N to be more than what will be consum ed by 600 tonne capacity plant. I am (^ ) »reJT 'R ^ wishing to put up a 900 tonne plant % ^ ftRRV irr^ ^iif^qt 1 5fk w hich is n-.ore economic. But the w hole ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ w t gas available does not appear to be presently more than 600 tonnes. There I « f k fore. perhaps only a 600 tonne plant will come up. There is no question of its being given to any private sector company. ?TT??T qr ^ jtI in ^ 5FT ^ sR^rrsr | ? ^rto a^>i9 T : ^cntrir f% W (sfto : ( ^ ) ( ^ ) . fsrr^Tir ?r»Tr tt: w *rT, ^ 5TIT ^ »RT I I i ^ I ? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It does not arise out of this question. ( v ) wVt (w ). !fh: ^ ^ zTRTRTRf % ^ ^3rm T ^ ^ nFT ^ ^ t ^3frt% ^ ^ ^ ^ +'iT 'dT<+' ^ ^ 5 7 1 585K^-?T*TdI ^ fir^r irfl^rYc^TCT ^ ^IdlUTd «TT 3ft ff^irr fTfirr¥ | ^ «rfaw ^ *rjTT ^‘sf9 Pt % fmrr ^ f| ^ ?rnf ^ «n I ^ ^ » n 1 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ I (^fe+>r ^ cPTT 5*1% Irsft 33 Oral Answers JULY 12, 1977 Oral Answers 24 ^ *f«i^ ^ % 115/116 JT^ 'T f^ TfT ? ?TPRr ^ %T?: STT^ 13 7^138 fV^TFT- ^ % fsTIT ^ ^ ^ T fftrriR 201^ f r » n f ^ t 1 1 'rFr S’ 202 ^t^-W TTT M^^dt rrrrm ^ d ^ m ?:?:% % f=T>T 1 4 9 ' 1 sogrnTT-PnritT^ ^r TTT’T ^ 't WTFTF ^TtTT ^ifC T ^ ^ I f^?T sr^n: % TTTf^r t wk if JTTrllUW ^ ?T=nT-?R^ '»TTjff if ^ l^spTTifl^ ^ TfrpH "TPTT^FH't— ^ ?ftr ’5T?nr ^TTf’ ^ff ?TTr ^ ^ ^ ^ t I fN^rmt ^ % FTSTT 5. 6 <^77 Sr- fTO% JTrm ^ ^ 57/58 ?T37:?nTrf«T IT^?T ?TTf^ 5fr ^ f ^3^ ^'r ?fT% ir ^nr^n: % W f r f ^ ^ s T T ?rnT% ?T? 5PTT t ? sTsff *t *11*1 'TT ?§ ^ yrrmTrr ^ »rm ^ gTT ^ ^ srto ? fk tTT 137/1 38 g rfr^Ki 5'' ^ ^ JTT'iTnTrcr t ^ jZrr^TrTTTfs^llt 116irg^-vTis^ % im f *r ^ 'T^rr^ ^ 5gTT TTT^-?nT^*P- ^ ^ % nV t ?TnT ^ H >HT5 *TTT^ fT s f ?T>m m wfr % ' 5T^T ^ irS^T aPT t — zmrmcT ir ?TTf^ % ^i^f- t ^ f% f3T^ ?TRTf r<;c^ ^nrV fic^ i IT ?r^'ferr E f^ t^ 5 *rrt q w ^jq^ssr t * r 't ^ % g f w m i f k irn m fq i: 'rfir^JT TT % 5Ti?5r erorr ^ ^*fr % ^nr ^ ^PTT W t— !T5f7t^ f??n?TT ^i=f5r T?i-^ q r ' ciT^ 5?3r ^ I ift i ^ ^T% fTT fTTf^JT I yR^fj|?3r— ifr'nrr? t r t - esfrm r «nf^r ; # ft ^ I ^ 5r»jJT3; 5 %fk q r sTT^ ^ mFT ?JR STT^'TfT ^ » 1T f% ^ «r ^ ?T2r ffT^rr^T ^ ?TT*RT w fw f irm q r sn *rf5[i f?RT — sfiTT^T ^ ^ gTTT ^ ^T ^ iq %f^F!T WT3T jfr R^fd ^ *!r JVs> Sfto : JTHT^ % !Sfr Wfe^F ^ ^ ^Tsr^T f I g 5 n ^ f^ | ‘j?T'TT^in?TtJTrT?ir 1 «ft *n’« clVff ^rcT— q-pT^q’ lit ^ '€FT— W^TT If? I f r f»T it ' 11 ^?r%?rraFarif1 9 6 5% ^? % ' T ^ ^'t Tnfrqt Jr ^;^r ^rfrTi i f¥ srfff ^nrr Sift, ^ ir ^ i f r f t ^ rf «ft ? t\ t 9-fT% % ?r»ft -T^rff s rn r f r ^ i T i *n rr 3prf ir ^ T snTRT I^TT I I f^^T% I? <3^ T^ t 3T|t qr ^Tfft ?r^ sfVo ; t% Tf%- ft ^ I I HI\T fT? ^ ^ «TWT ^ ^?T f^JTT *F R ^'T JTTfr'^t ^?Trft I ^ ^r JPT^ 'srirnTT cTlfr ^ ^ TTSq- ^ Tgrft I, t ^ ’ »TT *T^ Q[^ i^=Frd^ fip ?PTT ’TTff^t | t % ^ '1 1 % ?T% ? f^^rft 'jft? f"T?ft «ft, ?T^ ^ I I sfto 1 T ^ s r a w , Pri i,^ f% ^ T f^' ^ »rf 11 «fV I, ^ fV ?T^ 'R I I %f%?T ?T ^ t fV ITT Vh: iTTtt ^ ^ w r T^T ^ ^ 1T¥T^ t, *T^ ^ 9 TR^ ^ 1T¥T SJTT^ ^ I t I ?nr ^ ^ ?ft»r TCT Sf f m ^ ^r ?rk iT^ ^ «it ?rrT ?Ft ^ ^ %, sfto * r o IT 5 ^ % f ^ T^ ^ ^f T^niff 1 ^ t — ?Ft ^ ^ WJT iTRir I ^ST'^ ^ ?n?7;, JTfw it 5ra-?TWT ¥V wm |, sft 5i!st 5^5ft : ^nrt f^'''?Tl ^ «J*-«(^ 'jfT% % ^ ir^rjr ^srnft-f?TT ? m ^ ^ TT ^ ^nfl’ 5T^'t I , ar^ ?T3r^?: %• ^r% ^ frqr apr^, 3ft ^rrfsqt— TSHVR rrW^-^T q^TR ^r»TTft ?T3rjr7: ^ f^Ttr ^ 1 5ft iTf rT WT T^l- |i ^r Tgr ?ft f ^ «TT ?ftT ?rrT % jRT? t f% frn r I ^ f%T %• ?rrT ^ f^rt^ ^3TT^ f< ^ t — T*T ^ ^ Jr «ft ^ ^r?7n ? ftf: ^ T?: ^ % f^^TT ^ t. ^rfrTK trpwrnnr ^ »Tt^ SPT ^ ^ I ^ vnft ? m 5frt ^ f i ^0 *T^ ?fw% : iTPzr^, fWtgt 5 ift TRt ^ ^ ^ ^ JPT m r^ rfwr grr f^T f*ft ;m *432. CHOWDHRY BALBIR ^ ?frT m^rfiT?T Wr?jTT f I SINGH; Will the Minister of PETRO LEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FER ^ i n f ^ TILIZERS be pleased to state: % ^ t. ^ ?nw, (a) whether an agreement has re »WTf^ % t, ^ ^ *r cently been signed with USSR for f t r JPTT I I ^f supply of crude oil; ^ ^ i^‘f ^ ^ wtt m% (b) whether the price to be paid for "3^ ^ ^ ^ ti*-!)'*? ^r crude is higher as compared to the price charged by other countries; and q^ f^gr, ^ ^ ^ sr?^ ^ "js m f% fTO% T^rnr ^rrair ^r (c) If so. the reasons therefore? 39 Oral Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 30 THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, 'chem icals and FERTILISERS ^ »TT?r (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) to (c). ^ ^ «rr 1 ^ ^ ^ cTT^ft 5F fh r Under the bilateral trade arrangement t , «P> I , ^ ^ J T^ between India and U.S.S.K. a ('ontract ^ ^ f t ^nfft ?T^ was signed between the Indian Oil Corporation and ‘SOJUZNEETEEX- f^iTTw q x^fw l I ^ ??T^ irnr PORT of Soviet Union on 21-2-1977 for 5Tf)f g^TT T f T f ^ ?TT^ ^ 5 T | fti supply of 1 million tonnes of crude oil during 1977. It would not be in the *THT% t I commercial interest of the Indian Oil Corporation to disclose further details. Construction of New Railway l ini from Bankura to Mejia iH '(I'Jl I ^ f n I *433. DR. BUOY MONDAL; Will the «fh: iT f »rr?r w r i Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to sta te; i f ir fh n T ^ f^ irr | ftp Jif ^ itft qr: w r , (aj the progress made in the cirec- tion of construction of the new Rail ^■cTTJTT T f s ^ i f 5 1 ^ t I ^ way line between Bankura and RIejia ^ T7 qr «TT ^ in West Bengal which was decided to be taken in hand by the Ministry ia ^■iew of the fine coal-belt discovered in ^ ^ the area; ^ \ Z T ITT ^ ?ffT ?fr «ft (b) whether the work of the survey ^ fjRT% if ?T wmrr ^ ^ I JTf has been completed, and if so, v/hen ^ if ?fr the actual work of having the rail lines is to be taken up; and fif TcTT ?TW =?T^ I ^ 5ft ^ (c) w hether any estimates have been made and if so, what are they ant^ in what stages the work is likely to be completed? : *rT?zr^ ^ ^ 5T^ t ^IIKT ^ qr THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS ZT? ^ 'k T |l ^ 3Tf? (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) to (c). A Final Location Tratfic-cum- ^iTT^T »T5T^T ?T ^ »TWcT Engineering Survey for construction ol 3HT q f^ t I ^ if a rail link between Bankura and Mejia is nearing completion. The estimate will be processed after completitm of if 1 5 *TT^ iT^ % ^ s m ’it I the survey. A decision regarding 5pT ^ ’STT^ f JT^ ^TT^r construction of the line will be taken after the survey is completed and the t I t !TT^ if f?r% reports examined. i ?r»R im cT^t iT^ ^nn ^ 5tt I I DR. BUOY MONDAL: In case the coal mines start working, as program med. and if the construction of the ^wftr RT5:im?raT^ffysn- railway line is not completed in time, earlier than the exploration of the coal ^TT?T ^ I ^ ^ fields, do as the Minister propose to ^r ITT 55TT^ ? have consultations with the Ministry 31 Oral Answem JULY 12, 1977 Oral Answers 3» of Coal and Mines to have alternalive This question relates to the intro arrangements for the transportation of duction of additional railway trains nnd coal? stops which happened six .nonths ago. It is not a matter of urgent importance. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE- As far as this line is concerned, its im Moreover, Rule No. 41(xii) says very portance grows because it is in the clea rly; vicinity of those regions where coal “it shall not repeat in substance deposits are to the extent of 180 inillion questions already answered or to tonnes and they are to be exploited thoroughly. Not only that. One of which an answer has been refuse:!.” the additional reasons is that if this So. two points arise. One is the roDte is constructed, it will also help urgency of the matter. This thing in the development of the Adivasi happened six months ago. V^hat is areas which are in the vicinity. the urgency about it now? Morfovjr, Therefore, taking the cumulative effect during the Railway Debate and daring ol both the factors into account, our the Question Hour itself the same present thinking is that would be question has been raised about the inclined to take up this construction introduction of trains between Varanasi work, but we have to await ihe s’.;rvey and other places and additional stops, The survey has to be examined, imd and answers have been ,»iven. You only after can we proceed with the can go through the records. construction work. But I ran assure the hon. Member that all the nei-essary With your permission. T may also steps will be taken. read out an ordinary question which has been rejected: MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Question H our Over. “Whether the Government has withdrawn the cases of ronuption RE; SHORT NOTICE QUESTION against Shri Prakash SinKh Badal, the Minister of Agriculture" MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Short Notice Question. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER Offler order. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: On a point SHRi VAYALAR RAVI; Such an Of order. Rule No. 54(1) reads' ordinary question has been rejected stating that it is a State .'lubject. At “A question relating to t matter of the same time, this kind of question public importance may be asked with i.s accepted. How can there be two notice shorter than ten clear days rules? ’ and if the Speaker is of opinion that the question is of an urgent character he may direct that an enqairy may PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE; be made frm the Minister concerned May I be permitted to make a sub- if he is in a position to reply and. mi.ssion on the point of order? if so, on what date.” SHRI VASANT SATHE: The question of urgency has to be decid Sub-rule i?) of the same rule says; ed by the Speaker. “In other respects, the •,'.rr''’edure for short notice questions shall be the 3HRI M. KALYANASUNDARAM: same as for ordinary qupsrion? for While allowing Short Notice orpl answer, with such modiflcatlons Questions, the Speaker should also as the Speaker may coniider neces take care to see that the question is sary or convenient.” proper and urgent and of considera 33 Oral Answers ASADHA 21, IfiSS {SAKA) Oral Answers 34 ble public importance. On much Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is no more important matters like atroci point of order. You kindly sit down. ties on Harijans, Short Notice Ques tions were talsled from this side and SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: The point ■those questions were never allowed. of order is whether this matter is a That is my point. You are partial matter of urgent importance. Please in allowing Short Notice Questions. see Rule 54 clause 5. The rule says: I charge the Speaker with partiality. “Where a member desires an (Oral answer to a question at a MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You shorter notice, he shall briefly should not make an allegation state the reasons for asking the against the Speaker. ■question with short notice. W here no reasons have been assigned in the notice of the question, the THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS question shall be returned to the (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): m em ber.” Sir, I want to make a submission on this. Already various committees Therefore the burden of my s\ib- are on the job to fix up the time mission is that the short notice ques table and to fix up norms for the tion has an exceptional procedure— introduction of new stops and dis the exceptional procedure to be re continuation of some old stops. And sorted to only if there is an abundant there are a large number of Members specification and in order to under on both sides—I can quote their line this, the rules say that there names—who have written to me that must be reasons spelt out. If the certain new stops must be introduc reasons are not spelt out, the ques ed and certain old stops must be dis tion has to be returned. There continued. To all of them I have comes the question of judgment. told that this is an urgent problem But what is the urgency today to and within one week, we are going bring this matter which took place to d^al with the problem and I will six months before (Interruptions) consult vnrioiis members. There are certain traditions and because there MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Please is an urgency to fix up the new sit down. You have made your ■time table and fix up norms for the point. I have heard your point of introduction of new ■^tops and dis- oo Statem ent The following stopjjoges of trains were provided on an experimental basis in March, 1977 : — Particulars of trains Name of station Date from where stoppage which stopp provided age provi ded 1. 88 Patna-Tatanagar South Bihar Express • Barh. 28-2- 77. 2. 87/88 Patna-Tatanagar South Bihar Express Jamtara 16- 3-77. 3. 103/104 Howrah-New Delhi AC Express ■ Jasidih ro -3 -7 7 . 4. 9/10 Howrah-Dehradun Exp. • • • Kudra ri-3-77- 5. 9/10 Howrah-Dehradun Exp. • • • Babatpur 8-3- 77. 6. 2 Kalka-Delhi-Howrah Mail • • • Bhabua Road 14-3-77- 7. I /2 Kalka-Delhi- Howrah Mail • ■ Phaphund 16- 3-77. 8. 81/82 Howrah-New Delhi AC Exp. • • Sasaram 14-3-77- 9. 3/4 Howrah-Bombay Mail • ■ ■ Saidraja 18- 3- 77. to. 135/136 Patna-Bareilly Pass. • • • Bahora Chandil ^1 - 1 - 1 1 - 11. 13/14 Sealdah-Dclhi Upper India Exp>ress Salcaldiha 18- 3-77- 12. 13/14 Sealdah-Dclhi Upper India Express Chaukhandi 14- 3- 77- 13- 39/40 Howrah-Delhi Janata Exp. • Kuchman 18- 3- 77^ 14* 39/40 Howrah-Delhi Janata Exp. • Dhcena 17-3-77- 15. 39/40 Howrah-Delhi Janata Exp. • Mandrak 15- 3- 77- *6. 351/352 Saharanpur-Allahabad Passenger Harchandpur 8- 3- 77- r?- 331/352 Saharanpur-Allahabad Passenger Lalgopalganj 8- 3-77. *8. 351/352 Saharanpur-Allahabad Passenger Atrampur 8 -3 -7 7 , 19. 5/6 Howrah-Amritsar Mail • • Amethi 8- 3- 77. 20. 161/162 Tatanagar-Amritsar Express Manda Road 15- 3-77 21. 161/162 Tatanagar-Amritsar Express Phaphund 16- 3-77. 22. 17/18 Siliguri-Agra Fort Vaishali Express Rudain 2 8 -2 -77. 23. 83/86 New Delhi-Barauni Assam Mail Phaphund 16-3-77. 24. 51/52 Sealdah-Jammu Tawl Exp. • Katahri I7-3-77- 25. 17/18 Siliguri-Agra Fort Vaishali Express Bankata 1 - ^ - n - 26. 17/18 Siliguri-Agra Fort Vaishali Express Agsauli 14- 3-77- 27. 4 7/4 'i Gorakhpur-Lucknow Shane-e-Avad Express Ccilonelganj 15-3-77- 2S. 5'6 G )rakhpur-Allahabad City Triveni Express Bhulanptir Halt 29. 55/56 Farukhabad-Kjuipur Exp. • • Mani Mau 17-3 -7 7- 30. 49/50 Gorakhpur-Allahabad City Purvanchal Express ■ Salempur 5 -3 -7 7 - 37 Oral Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Oral Answers 38' (c) And (d>. On consideritioits of what yardstick wa« used. But since traffic juBtifiaatioa and ratfagMt to within such a- ilbtt duratira availability q£ requisite resources, the of time they gave the in«t«jction» to loflovfrfhg addlti6hal trains were in- introduce these 30 additional stops trdduc« to/from Varaiiaw:— which has never happened the past, and even now it is not happening, these 1. 157/158 New Delhi-Varanasi stops siwe introduced indisc-iniir-ate- Kashi Vishwanath Express ly. G«nerally, when the suggesiions (daily) from 30- 3- 1975 . for introducing new stops come up, we are required to examine the problem. 2. 165/156 Ahmedabad-Faiisabad/ We send it to the Department concern ' Varanasi Sabarmati Exp. (5 ed. We are required to find out what days upto Faizabad and 2 is the traffic available at thft parti days upto Varanasi) Ixom 28-1-1978. cular station. Therefore, fully pro bably realising that this was an in 3. 139/140 Madras Beach-Vara- discriminate step, the suggestion was nasi Ganga Cauvery Exprt-ss that, as an experimental measure ^ (Biweekly) from 16-2-1977. try all the 30 stops or halts. 4. 107/108 Jhansi-Varanasi/Mugh- alsarai Bundelkhand Express I would like to inform the House (daily) from 1-3-1977. that the very fact that these stops were introduced indiscriminately is 5. 49/50 Gorakhpur-Varanasi/ borne out by the fact tliat when Allahabad city Purvanchal afterwards all the experts and the Express (daily) from 1- 1 various Department heads went inta 1976 (M G ). the examination of all the stops, ttiey were forced to discontinue 13 stops 6. 83/84 Delhi-Lucknow Express im m ediately.. Only 10 s I an going to have well-defined fTirft Jr ^'V ^rk jj;irsr nornis according to which only the stoopages will be introduced. ?t ’(fv ^*ft, fiRT Jr1^0 l^5ro irgro t^*To 'fbro I I R ^ ;t trjTo ifhTo ^ SHRI KAN WAR LAL GUPTA: The hen. Minister has stated th^c he has 3ft a t ^ #jttt ftRT I ft: deleted some stops. He should not delete the name of Amethi because % ? r r ir that is also a place of pilgrimag?. That v u ^ ff ^ % ?rnr% i is my request to him. S' i^»ro "ft^o ifft fwfww sfritfein % ^ ^ f»r TmRw erft^ #htt fiT *nRjftiT ^ t F % ?«rT5T I , WV to *Tcff % 5T>r ^rra f ® *TT?TJftJI JTTTrsr ^t, %%5Trr^ II % wrai< j h :# 1w 3iT?r>TT ITT ? rft 1 t n i ^ r i r PROF. iMADHU DANDAVyvP’ : l,et there be no misunderstanding. As it eriT ff^Ti i f * r i t as my question is concernsil, I liave received mostly from this side of the mfjT^rn % 5T% ^iff ^ jf! ITT^ % House seven Short Notice QJcMir.ns, I ^FT SXTR it m ^JT JTifST'JT ^"T have rejected six; I have accepted only =gr^fiTW:TT I sort of things happening, at lea?t he or the Janata Party will not misuse any power. In this connection, I would ^ it ^TTifi^ like to know from the hon. Minister ^T I, t STTT^T =^^T f whether it is not a fact that when he was travelling—^because Mr. P-.ij % crn; % JTT^T^^T JTTJ^zff TT?r ^ Narain happens to be the Minister be ^?TT^ ?rtT ^TT^ »:^'T TTir % fore he became the Minister, he used 3TT^ it ^ ^STTW I I i t ^ to say that the Ministers were misusing their power—from Varanasi to Delhi, w^nr-^r^nr Jr ’sr^sr'f — s t ^tt- for him, for the sake of Mr. Raj 41 Oral Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 {SAKA) Oral Answers 43 f^arain, the train was detained lor half an hour? I 3Tf?r ^ mfsqf ^ft {Interruption^) f ^ »RT PROF. MADHU DANDAVATP;. I I I want to refresh the m em or/ of the hon. Member that this issue was raised in the House in the form .-)1 a que£ii:jn. ^ ^ ^ i (Interruptions) This issue was alieany f ^ iqi ^ raised in the other House. This ques- IHR STf «fV if 3ft I lon was already raised aiul ) have given a categorical answer. I have said that partly due to mechanical fault,, but largely (Interruptions). Please listen fo me. I ' ;we said that t||jttSTJR-^ % r«i^Ria)'T t • this 15 minutes duration (train dcUiin- ed) may be due to vacuum fault in ihe sfto sriR vTPpfhr coach. But I have said that m.iinly the detention was due 1o Shri U.ij Narain who was suppose i travel by the train. I said, this is a wroi.g fr^TPTT =5TT^ ^ ?nR g?TT?r thing which has happened. I express my unqualified regret to the House, and I give an assurance to thi House ’h;a. ^ ^ in future, not only for Ministers but ft[trr t ^ Th u, ^ for any VIP or any other Member, jnrrTTT I such a contingency will never arise. That is the categorical assurance I wish to give. «Tt 5TOt 5 ^ : fqT5% ITT ^ ^ cTTTt^ 3 1 1 ^ DR. SUBRAMANIAM SvVAMY: Obviously, with Ihis "tind of ad hi. c ?T>T 7 00 ’TTfWf ^ ^ ^ and haphazard introductio.i of slops, Iff I JTW ^ the Railways must have made a net ^ f w I I ?HR loss. I would like to ask the Minister whether the Railway Ministry is ini f^lT I ?r»R ^ ^ tf^TT tiating action to estimate the extent of rft ^ loss and also to make avail li.le to this House the exact amount the country has lost by this process. 5ft^ ?rt ^ ^ ^ w m 9Tf^jrr iRT I 5RT^3T ^ PROF. MADHU DANDAVAIE. We in »T ^ 121TIT 5Ft ^ are opposed to all ad hocl'<' i,whether they are ad hoc appointments or ad-hoc ^ I I f^TT ^ ?RTTTriT !5tops. Therefore, ad hoc'. As far as the second aspe'.'t of the question is concerned, we will plaice he. t ? fore the House what exa'-t.’y are Ihe financial losses that have Keen incurr ed as a result o f this. SJ>o HW ; t ^ if ^ iRTRT g fip 27^ % ?TT»T% rft ^ ^ »FtT ^ 5T^, ?r 5TW5T it ij?T^ ^ «nrnirrft % ir w k ^ % srr^ Jf ^ fqST ^ f w f t jftJRT 'TT came from Hon. Members like Shri f* w r v?;JTr i Jyotirmoy Bosu. Of course, though he belonged to the Opposition, I think he had a bigger voice than many a ^3" *T? I fsr^ |f?r fTT ruling Party Member! Anyway, I will look into it and if we find that far^ fw t ^ ^ 'T ^ it fits into the norms we are going q r ^JTTff TOT I ^ srr^ H to decide upon we will take a deci ^rnr^TRt ^ | i ?r>n: « m sion accordingly, 'SffTfcT fqjT 7? 9R g?rr ? ifT SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Two ^qrfT f? jn I Jf 3T? ^ cm r ir f .-special trains were running to Erna- ''kulam, not for the passengers but for ’ I I the RSS volunteers who were attend ing a meeting there- and for the RSS «ft iT5f) ^ % ?r^'r leaders. They never paid any »noriey, I ft: 3 0 mr ^ but t f'se trains w ere run, blocking the entire route. So, such .special ^ % jnr, ^ it ^ f ® ^'i ttt favouritism ha.s been shown to the f^Jir ^iTT ^ ?»->T 31^ iV ^|?IT ^ Janata Party and its para-militarv ft |, cTT ilt 'if)' rft^ ?2T^ force.s. May I know how many com- Dlaints were received about these «r t ftfr ittt f . thirty stoppages involved? fq r *rPT?rlq- jt^'T ^'r cf^ PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: As T#ir JTt ^ % ZT5 ^ far as these thirty stoppages are con ^ ?T jfrTT ? cerned, people had voiced their grie vances publicly. a to *T^ ^l*r%: ?ITT 2f f ^r»T + ’ ^RT As repards the second i.ssue raised, t 3t> ?T f%qr t # only some time back I had darified that there will be no distinction so ?rrn ft ^i+^'f r^’JiNi ^ ftr iim+T far as the facility of special trains ^ wiT?fr are concerned. Whether they helon" to the Congress Party or RSS or the ^ ir t f « ’?rrK ??t sr^ ^ ?r ?n T. ade Union Congress or the Hindu 5rr(T ^ t ?i't ?TFr% Maha Sabha, special facilities ■’/ill he , g?nT % 3(77 ^ ^ 5t w available to them on the basfs of df-finite norms to bo fixed up. *T?TTf ^ SHlil JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Will the WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUES Hon. Minister kindly tell us whether TIONS the former Minister of Railways was requested to introduce two stops in Miabhoy Railway Labour Tribunal Shralda Division, South Section, near Award Taliganj Bridge and Dakuria Lake, but because the request came fiom *426. SHRI KRISHNA K U T T A R the Opposition Members it was turn GOYAL: Will the Minister of RAIL ed down? If it is so, will he look WAYS be pleased to state: into the matter and take a fresh deci sion? fa) whether the Miabhoy Railway Labour Tribunal award relating to PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE: First hours of employment has been fully ly, I have no information as to v/he- implemented; ther the request for introduction of these stops was rejected because it (b) if sp, the details thereof; end 45 Written Answers ASADIJA 21, 1899 iSAKA) Written Answers 46 (c) the increase .in expenditure as issued, arc in the process of imple b result thereof? mentation as indicafted in the State ment placed On the Table of the THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS S»bha. (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) and (b). Necessary orders, already (c) About Rs. 19 crores per annum. Statement Subject of the Tribunal’s recjmmEndation Present position as regards implementation 1. Hours of employment shall be those during which an employee is at the disposal of his employer at the lattcr’s instance. 2. M')r.Ti3lly the daily and weekly hours of employment of Continuous and Essentially Intermittent workers should he Orders have been issued fix'.'d at 8 a day or 48 a week. that these recommendations should be implemented with 3. D lily ..nd w,-ekly h iirs of Ess ntii liy In ormi?tcj t work V effect from 1-8-74. ers may b ’inccas d'o the ex in 111 ctssary but ao exceeding th'.- limits laid down by the- T il al ’ 4. Time r;quired for preparatory and'or co:nplementary work, which includes taking and making over charge shouJd be deter mined and included in the roster. 5. Averaging should be doiu' in regard to (i) running staff; '(/) operating staff; (iV/) shift workers; and (iv) those workers whose work is bound up with the work of workers comprised in the ab.ive three categories. Cases lalling in category (ir) should be determined. ^ These are in the process < f implementation. 6. Overtime should be paid at i j timi.'s the ordinary rate for work done beyond rosiered h;>urs up to statutory limits and iwice the ordinary rate beyond the statuti'ry limits. 7. Time spent for travelling sp;ire on duly should be consi- •dered as part o f duty except (i) when crew van facility has been provided and (1/1 when the worker does not travel on any day beyond R Kms. 8. Class‘C’ Gatemen, Saloon Attendants, Caretakers of Rost Houses and Re>ervoirs etc. and Bungalow Peons should be reciic- sified as Essentially Intcrmitteni w;'rkers. (implementat'on date i-S-74') These reconimendatipns have been generally 9. Posts of Continuous Wireless Operators and Section Con implemented on railways. trollers should be job-analysed and up-graded as Intensive wher ever justified, giving effect to the up gradation from 1-8-73 1-8-74 respectively. *431. ^ 47 iV'ntten Answers JULY 12, 1977 Written Answers 4 » TW im irtT t»n :iT 8. i t f i r 9^, Jm ftj : («f>) ^TT^T 10. # a p r 1 1 . 12. ^ T f T - d r ii?t qV o ?rt o ^ o Tftrr rr«n q > r^ ^ > r 1 3. 1 4. % i p f r if ir rgi'yiffd ( ^ ) I 1 1 ^nni^T fsp?*T ir fin :i?g ^ ^ ir fjp# ^ fWJTW STTrT (>T) 5PR ^ ^J5rTT I sTfr | t t ' ( ^ ) ?trh: !Pi sira r^ ^ q r ^ ^ttHV | 1 if I w r m i ^ i ^TTTt f ^ T ( ^ ^> ir iT% I HTVTT ^ 2 5 0 0 *fVo3:TTqt^^fV ^ armfrm ?t\t ^r^nrr iTFrm t ^ TT T7 X (V m ^ WTT o . ^ qirf'^ qfronr p-tR 1 1 1 1 ^ ^ xrvJE fT ^ srw^T, 19 • 4 «r * rr* rm r q r w h : wftRF ^ Tlf «fi- ?frr fir ^ft^rr ^ ^ 1 ^ M+dt ^ 1 "TPTTT ^r vfH V ^^ * y ? rr TTJr'^rr 5%7tt % 5Fp?iT JT^tftCn $r fiP H T iTT^ *m rm rr ^ fjR T I t ' nvPi^T-ifrfon tsm m rr ^ w i t Tfe^ ^?w Jf ftrm >» w nmft % w ra? ?n ?^ iir VIHT ITTSTT * 4 3 4 . «ft ^r5>Jw : WT * 435. «Tt ?TO*T»t r w ITHVT : II? ^T% ^ f^ 1^ ; fJTT ^ JT^lq^5ilTn€rf:qT^f^ : ( T ) < i'ji^ 1*1 ir +1'<-+1h ?t (q :) WTIT124-5i%5r% siRm TJ f ^ ' fir?TT ITWRJT I ^ q f ^ ir ^ ^r WFJJ tr:^f7?Tin I ; rrqr gffV c^ i|^ stttt ^ warw% ^ ^Tofxr f w W T 1.1 { ^ ) ^ % 5T ^ q r f^FTlT (sr) ft ^T?T5rTtirfirT5nT^ |f t ; ?t\t (n) irf^ ^ cfr ( jt) ( ^ ) irf^ rfr ^ wr ^iror I ? I ?fV?: f ?T 50^ *r HT^TT ^ ^ ^ r w f ^ T t ? ^ *rtt (^ 0 9 V ^ ) : (wr) T T w m % ftrm ^ *nft (lito ; ( ^ ) ^ q fr^ ir ^ ijrrf u r m ( w ) . aW^TjT— ^fffit^TT ^ ^ I :— «■ 7 tfft 5TTTT ^ % % l? JTTTfi^^ 1. ir ^ T : 2. 3. In addition, two major petrochemi JFlr i r k ^ ^ 5fT^ cal projects— IPCL’s Naphtha Cracker and its downstream units at Baroda f ^ ^ F , T n I and BRPL’s Petrochemical Complex at Bongaigaon, both in Public Sec- tf;r—are under implementation. (*r) ®T€t ♦rr?^ v r iffr it «i‘? ^ *pt ^ The demand for various petrochemi cal items suffered a set back due to JRrTR ^ % I price hike of these products follow ing the oil crises. Demand for tnese Plan to set up a Petro-Chemical items is however, now gradully pick- Complex on the basis of Mathura ng up. Pending the commissioning Refinery nf the Petrochemical units under cons truction particularly IPCL’s Naphtha *436. SHRI SATISH A G A R V /A L: Cracker and its downstream un;t‘, Will the Minisier of PETROLEUM the temporary shortages which are AND CHEMICALS AND FERTI ir.arginal and vary from time to time LIZERS be pleased to state: aro being met through imports. (a) whether there is a plan lo (c) No, Sir. up a fetro-chem ical complex on the basis oi the Mathura Oil Refinery; jf so, when will it be finalised; Introduction of Rayalaseema Express from Tirupathi to Hyderabad (b) how many such complexes are running in the country at present, *4;j7. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL what is the extent of shortage of NAIDU: Will the Minister of RAIL products being produced by them and WAYS be pleased to state; how are they being met; and (a) whether there is any proposal (c) whether Government propose with the Government to introduce to locate the new complex in the Rayalaseema Express on the broad nearby areas of Rajasthan? gauge from Tirupathi to Hyderabad: and THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, fb) if so, when it is likely to be CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS implemented? (SHRI H. N. B A H U G U N A ): (a) There is no plan for the present to T^iE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS set up a Petrochemical Complex on (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): the basis of Naphtha to be available (a) Yes, Sir. from Mathura Refinery. (b) The proposal is s^Hl under con (b) At present the following major sideration. Petrochemical projects are in opera tion in the country:— Oil exploration of On-shore areas by (i) Aromatics Project of IPCL at Foreigm countries Baroda. ♦438. SHRI G. Y. KRISHNAN: Will (ii) NOCIL's Naphtha Cracker at the Minister of PETROLEUM AND Bombay. CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (iii) Union Carbide’s Napluha Cracker at Bombay. (a) whether Government have allo cated certain on-shore areas for oil (iv) PRC’s Kureha Cracker at exploration to some foreign countries- Tirunelveli. during last six months; and 51 Written Answers JULY 12. 1977 Written Answers 52 (b) if so, the names of such coun- (b ) if so, what steps have been tres along with terms and conditions taken to overcome the crisis? in regard thereto? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS THE MINISTER OF PETROLiiUM, (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (a) Yes, Sir. (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) and (b). No, Sir. The ONGC, how ever, has secured the services of M/s. (b) Due to high prices of timber Chemocomplex of Hungary on Lon- in the market, the Kerala State Foro>t tract, for drilling a deep well at Deptt.—the main suppliers to Olavak- Ramshahr in Himachal Pradesh. The kot Plant—have expressed then .aabi- Contractor will be paid a remunera 1 ty to supply sleepers to the Railways tion of Rs. 18,000 for each day of at prices fixed by the- Central IJoard cj-'evatior for minimum pe'iod oi 100 01 Forestry. The Ministry of Agri days. Total expenditure on this ser- culture & Irrigation has been request virr contract is expected to be aioand ed lo convene the Pricing Sub-Com- Rs. 56 lakhs. m ttoe meeting immediately .so that tiies*^ prices could be reviewed, puiti- ciil.i'ly for supplies from Kerala. Irreg:alarities by the Multinational Efrcris are also under way to get Drug Companies supplies, from Andaman S: Nicobar '439. DR. BAPU KALDATY: Will Islandr. for the Olavakkot Plant. the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS l-e pleased to state- Railway link between Rishikesh and (a) whether Government have KarnaprayaR noticed recently certain irre^ala’ itias by the multinational companies ope *441. SHRI JAGANNATH SHAK^MA; rating in India for the manufacture Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be of drugs in respect of maintcnancr of pleaded to state; records under company law and rules; (a) whether any survey had been (b) if so, the details thex-of; nnd made in the past for providing a Railway link between Rishikesh and (c) whether any of the druj units Karnaprayag; under multinationals hag been order ed to wind up its business in India? (b) if so, whether Government THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. have taken any decision in the matter; CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZEKS and (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) ic) whether Government propose to (c). Information is bein^ collected to make a fresh survey of the «h«ve and will be laid on the Table of the House. Projcct? ' THE MINISTER OF RAILV7AYS Crisis in Creosote Plant at Olavakkot (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE); •440. SHRI P. K. KpDIYAN: Will (a) and (b). A survey earned out the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleas during 1927 revealed that the cost of ed to state: this 160 kms. lonj; line even as nar row gauge wouia oe prohibitive and (a) whether the creosote plant zi the project was, therefore, abandoned. Olavakkot is facing a crisis for want 01 sufficient sleepers; and (c) No, Sir. 53 Written Answers ASADHA 21. Ifi99 (SAKAJ Written A iders 54 ' Import of Fertilizers Avendmeiit to the Coii9t)t«tion ( 43iid Aivendment) Act •442. SHRI DH A RA M A V IB / VASISHT: Will the Minister of ‘ 443. PROF. P. G. M AVALA:CKAR; PETROLEUM AND CHEM1CA1..S Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICK AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to AND COMPANY AFFAIRS pleas state: ed to state: (a) the foreign exchange spent in (a) whether Government propost importing fertilizers in the last three I0 bring forward during the current >ears; and Buaget session the Constitution Am endment Bill removing the grave (b) the date by which India hopes deformities, defects and distortions of tj be self-sufficient in the production the Constitution already brought anout of fertilizers? I y the 42nd Constitution Amendment /ict; and THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, (b ) If so, when? CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA); (a) A statement ib laid -on the Table of THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS tlie House. TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN;: (a) .(b) The requirements of Potash No, Sir. :” -i' met entirely through impiwtt, as there is no indigenous proluc'.ion r'f (b) Does not arise. Pola.ih within the country. A large scale programme for setting; Keauireroen,ts, production and import up additional capacity for the manu o f Crude Oil in 1977-78 facture- of fertilizers is under imr-le- mentation. With the completion of '444 SHRI M. RAM GOPAL this programme, the gap between REDDY: Will the Miniscer of PKT, production and consumption is expect KOLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND ed to about 32 lakh tonnes o' Nitro- FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: «en and 6 lakh tonnes of P20,') in 3 983-84. Action Is being taken to set (a) whut is the total requr>'em( nt up further capacity to reduca this gyp of crude oil of the country du.-ing and move towards self-suHiciency. tlie year 1977-78; and (b) what is the total indigenou, Statem ent output of oil in the country? The foreign exchange spent on im port of fertilizers during the last three THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, ?/ears was approximately as fol CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS lo w ?:— (SHRI H. N. BA H U G U N A ): (a) The total requirement jf crude o'l nf Year Expendi the country during the year r)7i-78 ture is expected to be of the order of 25.5 (US in million) milhon tpnnes. (b) The total indigenous production 1974-75 661‘00 of crude oil in the country d'jring the current financial year is expected 1975-76 892-00 to be 11.3 million tonnes including a T9 76-77 249-00 quantity of 2.5 million tonnes from Bombay High. 55 Written Answers JULY 12. 1977 Written Answers 5^ Plan aUocatlon for development of (b) whether these facilities are not narrow-rause lines into broad sauge provided to the research gcholars who in Madhya Pradesh are dependent members of railway em ployees; 3147. SHRI MADHAVRAO (c) if so, the reasons therefor; and SCINDIA: Will the Minister of RAIL WAYS be pleased to state: (d) whether it is proposed to extend the facilities to dependent research (a) whether Government propose scholars of railway employees? to review the plan allocation lor the development of narrow-gauge '■ailAray THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS line into broad gauge especially of (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): Central and South-East railways (a) Privilege passes/PTOs are is.iued covering Madhya Pradesh; and to the family members and Jepend- en« of railway em ployees, as defined (b) if so, details thereof? in the Pass Rules, on the scale appli cable to each class of employees from THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS time to time. (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) and (b). A review of the Annual (b) Sons/daughters of Railway em Plan for 1977-78 has been completed ployees, who are engaged in the re recently before presenting the Budjjet search work, are issued passes, pro for the current year to the Parlia vided they are not in receipt of any ment. A further review is not pro .stipend or scholarship. posed to be taken up immediately. (c ) and (d). Do not arise. Foad For Road Over-Bridres and Proposal to Review the Performance Sub-W ays of Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices Commission 3148. SHRI PU N D ALIK HARI DANVE: Will the Minister of RAIL 3151. SHRI K. M A LLA N N A : W ill WAYS be pleased to state the ;imount the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND lying in the fund for road over COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: bridges and sub-ways at present' (a) whether Government propose THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS to review the performance of the (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): Monopolies and Restrictive Trade An amount of Rs. 11 crores (Approx.) Practices Commission with a view to is the current balance in the Railway making it more effective; and Safety Works Fund. It is expected to go up to Rs. 12.80 crores by the (b) if so, the details in this regard? end of the current financial year. THE MINISTER OF LAW JUS TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS lUflwftT Faeilitles to R«fle»ivh Scho (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): (a> lar Of Railway Kmployeeir’ Depen Yes, Sir. dents (b) A High Powered Expert Com 3150. SHRI DU RGA CHAND: W ill mittee has been constituted recently the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleas by the Government to review the ed to state: provisions of the Companies Act, nnd the M.R.T.P. Act, including the work (a) whether railway facilities inclu ing of the M.R.T.P. Commission. The ding free tickets are provided to the said Committee has been isked to family members of the railway em report as to what chances are neces p loyee.; sary in the said Acts. 5 7 'Written Answers A SA D H A 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 58 I Swadeshi Cotton Mills Co. Ltd., Kan- unauthorised occupants of railway pnr quarters? 3152. DR. B. N. SINGH: W ill the THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND (PROF, MADHU DANDAVATE): COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to (a) Shri P, N. Jagota, Instructor, state: Divl. Traffic Training School, Allaha (a) whether in view of the grave ac bad had occupied one Room in Qr. No. counting and financial irregularities 133 A.B.C. of Personnel Branch pool committed by the management of the from 1- 6-66 till 31-8-76 with the con Swadeshi Cotton Mills Co. Ltd., Kan sent of the previous occui>ant but pur, Government propose to order a without oflRcial permission. From special audit of the accounts of the 1 -9-76 he has been officially allotted Company in pursuance of the provi that room. sions of Section 233A of the Compa nies Act, 1956; and (b ) Yes. (b) if so, when? (c) A recovery of Rs. 71.20 p.m. towards arrears is being made from the em ployee and a sum o f Rs. 481.70 THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS P, has so far been recovered. TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIHS (SHRI SHANTI BHUStfAN): ( r) (d) No, in view of the allotment and (b ). There is no such r>roposal having been regularised in his. favour at present- However, upon •’oniidor- from 1-9-76. ing the irregularities etc. noticed on the basis of an inspection of the books: News Re: Million Dollar Pay-Offs to of account the Company Law Board Cochin Refineries have issued a notice to the company under section 408(1) of the Companies 3154, DR. RAM.II SINGH: Will the Act, 195R asking it to show causc v hy Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE Government Directors should not bo MICALS AND FERTILIZERS be nppointed on the company’s Board of pleased to state: Directors. (a) whether ij is a fact that 440,000 TTnauthorlsed Occupation of Railway dollars was paid by Cochin Refinery Quarters Allahabad Division Ltd. each year for three years in 1969 to 1971 and Phillips Petroleum put 31,53. SHRT JAG D AM BI PR A SA D this money in numbered Swiss acco YADAV: Will the Minister of RAIL unts. which was then transmitted to a WAYS be pleased to state: Panama subsidiary of Phillips Petro (a) thp detail.s of railway em plo leum for disbursement to certain for yees who were/are unauthorised!v oc eign associates of the company and cupying railway quarters on Allaha not properly recorded on the com bad Division belonping to Personnel pany’s books of financial account; and Branch pool: (b) whether it is a fact that the (b) whether unauthorised occupants then private sector refineries wore w ere/are liable to pay pena.l rent; petting Rs 17.50 a tonne while the public sector refineries at Gauhati (c) if so, the detai’s of penal rent and Guiarat were working on a pro recovered andlor likelv to be recover cess margin of Rs. 30 a tonne, “a mar ed from the unauthorised occupants: gin not available to them (Phillips) and even in their own country or by any (d) whether disciplinary proceedings refinery anywhere in the world” yield are proposed to be initiated against ing Rs. 12.5 erodes a year? 59 Ansiper* JULY 12. 1977 Written Ahsxotrt 66 1H£ MlNlSTtR OF PfcTROLEUM when provision bf'a fixed process mar AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI gin was given up. ZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) Cocftln RelinerieB Limltod hltd reMtMkd a sum of US dollars 440.000 frm 1 liter flht) per ye*r for the jrears 1969, 1S»70 and mi te I%ilti|»s Petroleum Interna tional OM’poration Panama, as laer 3 1 5 5 . «To th« Technical Services Agreement en- teried into between Cochin Refineries Limited and M/s. Phillips Petroleum. Govefnn»wt h»ve n« informatioft 1 9 7 ?.ir about the utilisation of this amount VtlHTT V R 1 00 CT" ^ by Phillips. However, the Federal 9rmrT ^ ^ ftnr) Grand Jury in Tulsa. Oklahoma, who had conducted an enquiry into Tax snsnw ^ f^T ’TT ; Law Violations by Phillips had. in their indictment filed in the US Dis trict Court, indicated inter-alia th«i ^ % WT I ? Company's failure to show in its tax returns the money received from the ^ (tfto Ht» (V) Cochin Refineries as Technical Ser vices Fee. Government have how ifiT ( V ) : ever. been informed by the Cochin ftnrsfn’ wv Refineries Limited that the Chief Dis trict Judge in Tulsa, Oklahoma, has ^ if ^ fHPr dismiilsed the entire indictment as to 40 wrttt ^ Phillips Petroleum and all other de 1 00 ZH «nr?TT fendants. 4 1 ^ ^<11 ^ TT (b) At the time the Formation 1 9 73^f ^ 5TTT ^ Agreement of Cochin Refinery was *rar«rr i signed. Government had not fixed pro ^ ^ %riT cess margin for any o f the reflnerie*^ in the public sector. The prices of irVPFr ^TTfT f^T^TgT products were fixed on the basis of fiTRiFT TitT ffn r ifin n fwfwSr import parity, and therefore the mar 5 TTT 1«P*rT ^ITPTT Government of India and Phillips ■Pe troleum Comnany of USA provide* WT ipfr | i th a t Cochin Refineries shall have a margin of r u p e e eouivalent o f 1.35 Sale of fruits and ottier articles at US dollar per barrel of crude charged Kanpur and Allahabad Stations for the first te n years of Commer cial Operation of the refinery, based 3156. SHRI B ATESH W AR H EM - on the contemplated yield pattern and RAM: Will the Minister of RAIL the volumes contained in the Agree- WAYS be pleased to state: TTient etc.. a n d this process margin ( a ) the n a m e s of the parties who was p a y a b le to Cochin Refineries are holding contracts for the sate of Limited, a n d not to Phillios. How fresh fruits anj miscellaneous articles e v e r . 7 10 payments w e r e m ade b y G ov at Kanpur and Allahabad stations to e r n m e n t to th e company to achieve gether with the numh-r of vendors th is margin, a n d the agreement was modified on the 20th December. 196ft allotted to each individual contr'actof'; 6i ,Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Wntten Answers 62 (b) whether surpi;ise . checks are (d) if so, whether any action was n u ^ e hy Commcrcvi^ bftber^ to en taken against the contractors together sure that t^ese contractora.do not em- with details thereof? i^tbjr ven^ra more than the §u ic- tioiied strehitih; THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (c) whether it is a fact that durinf (a) The following parties are hold the cpur^ of Burpri«e checks it was ing contracts for the sale of fresh found that th« contractors were actu fruits and miscellaneous articles st ally en^loying vendorg over and Kanpur and Allahabad stations with above the sanctioned strength with number of vendors permitted to each the collusion of the station stafF; and contractor as under: — Mame o f station Name of the contractor Number of vendors per mitted Kanpur 1 M 's Wadhu Mai Fateh Fresh fruits 8 vendors Chand & Bros. 2 Shri Dashrath Lai Fresh fruits. 3 vendors 3 M 's. Kanpur Leather Goods Leather goods. 10 vendors 4 Shri Ram Prasad. Miscellaneous article^;. 10 vendors. AlIaheU>ad 1 Shri Ramrsh Pal Miscellaneous articles. 8 vendor; 2 Shri Rajab Ali Fresh fruits. 14 vendors. 3 Smt. Bittan Devi Fresh fruits. 12 vendors. 4 Shri Hussain Pehalwan I'resh fruits. 2 vendors. 5 M/s Kalu, Mjhboobj Ya Fresh fruits. 4 vendors kub Khalil. (b ) Yes. Oil Exploration by O&NGC in Colla boration with Foreign Countries (c) During the checks, unauthoris 3157. SHRI S. R. DAM AN I: W ill ed vendors were found selling arti the Minister of PETROLEUM AND cles only for Shri Ramesh Pal, Mis- CHEM ICALS a n d FERTILIZERS be (pllaneous articles contractor, Alla pleased to state: habad. There was, however, no case of collusion of station-staff in allowing (a) the names of countries with unauthorised vendors at the station. which the Oil and Natural Gas Com mission is collaborating 'n oil explo (d) Shri Ramesh Pal, Miscellaneous ration work outside India: Articles Contractor, Allahabad sta (b) the terms and conditions entered tion, was fined Rs. 1800 during the into with each country; ppriod August 1976 to June 1977. U’ritten Anstuera JULY 12, 1977 Written Answers 64 (c) the number of Indian technical till the end o f June, 1977, survey of and other personnel deputed for the about 1820 Kms. has been com pleted. jo b s ; and It is expected that the survey work would be completed by the end of (d) the progrMs mad* in each coun- August, 1977. ONGC has posted ■try so far? about 34 persons in Iraq for this Con tract. THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS ONGC has recently entered into a (6 HRI H. N. BAHUGUNA); (a) to drilling contract with Iraq National (d). A statement is laid on the ‘able Oil Corporation for drilling five deve of the House. lopment wells in two fields. ONGC intends deploying the same rig that was utilised for drilling in its ex Statement ploration area in Iraq, to do develop ment drilling under this new drilhng ONGC is operating in only three contract. countries outside India. Iran, Iraq and Tanzania. 4. In Tanzania, ONGC has entered into a contract with the Tazania Pe 2. In Iran, ONGC entered into an troleum Development Corporation for Agreement in 1965 under which it ac exploratory drilling on the Songo Son- quired a l/ 6th interest in an area in go island. The first well drilled by Iranian ofR-shore waters along with ONGC resulted in a gas blow out, AGIP of Italy, Phillips Petroleum ONGC has, therefore, taken up a .se Company of U.S.A. and National In- cond well which is nearing ompl**- ranian Oil Company, ONGC is produc tion, ONGC has deputed about 80 ing oil from two fields. Under the T.er.'on:; for this w ork in Tanzania. Joint Structure Agreement governing this contract, NIOC has 50 per cent Food served in Trains running from interest in the venture and the Secon l Delhi to Southern Parts of the Country Party consisting of Phillips Petroleum, AGIP and ONGC has the remaining 3158. SHRI V A Y A L A R R A V I: W ill .“iO per cent, each havinp 16 2/?, n?r the Mini.ster of RAILWAYS be pleas rent interest. Besides, the Seco.i'l ed to state; Party paid a cash bonus and agreed to meet the full cost of exploration (a) whether Government are aware with minimum exploration commit that the food being served in trains ment of $ 48 million. The Second vunnir.g from Delhi to southern parts Party has to bear 50 per cent of de- 'if the country is sub-standard in qua velooment expenditure and finaiicc lity and not good for consumption; NIOC’s share of development expen a I' d diture, if .So required. The Second Party has al=o to arrange marketing (a) if so, what steps Government of its share o f oil a-; also that < f propose to take in jhis regard? NIOC in the event NIOC does not lift its share of oil. Under he Agree THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS ment ONGC has, upto June, 1977, Uft- (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (at ed about 5 million tonnes of oil. The quality of food served in rams ONGC has posted one representative lunning from Delhi to southern parts in Iran to look after its interests in of the country cannot be termed “sub- this venture. (b) Railways have taken i umLer Aromatic Project in Gujarat of steps such US adoption of modern culinary techniques, use of modern 3161, SHRI PRASANN BH AI MEH kitchen gadgets and equipments, -jet TA: Will the Minister of PETROLE- ting up of base kitchens lo provide ■JM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTI ‘ready-to-serve’ meals on trains, pro LIZERS be pleased to state: curement of raw material and ingredi ents from standard sources etc. to (a) whether Gujarat Aromatics further improve the quality of service Ltd. is setting up the first Rs. 9.5 crore and food on trains. *romatic project in the Gujarat State; (b) if so, main features of the pro 1974-77 TO posed project; (c) whether any collaboration is sought and with whom; and 3159. w sraw •rrrft : ^qr (d) the date by which production is ^ 3RTT% ^ '.ikely to start? 1 9 7 4 -7 7 ^ ^ ^ ^ 4 % f%rT% j^rm THE MINISTER FOR PETROLEUM, *nrr ? CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS SHRI H. N. B AH U G U N A): (a) Yes Sir; ^ inft (a>o (b) M/s. Gujarat Aromatics Ltd. ?!frc:5t ^ ^ I fl-»TT (TT *iold an indu.strial licence for the ma- 1 liufacture of the following items: — Cresots • • ...... 3,000 tonnes per annum. Sodium Sulphite (B y -p r o d u c t)...... 5,000 tonnes per annum Thiy also hold a letter of intent for substantial expansion as follows: ------ Item of manufacture Annual additional capacity Annual capcity after expansion. I Synthetic Cresol 2,000 (two thousand) tonnes. 5,000 (five thousand) tonnes. By-product I Sodium sulphite • 1,550(onethousand five t'luiIreJ 7>350 (seven thousand three and fifty) tonnes. himdred and fifty) tonnes 2 Gypsum (dry basis) • 5,900 (five thousand nine hun 5,900 (five thousand nine hundred dred) tonnes tonnes) 3 Soda Ash ■ • i,3io(onethousandthre«hun- 1,310 (one thousand three hundr and ten) tonnes. and ten) tonnes. 4 Sodium Sulphate i , i 6o(one thousand on hundred 1,160 (one thousand one hun and Sixty) tonnes dred and Sixty) tr nnes The new Industrial Undertaking is The project has been promoted by to be located at Tahsil Ank’<»;:hwnr, Gujarat Industrial Investment Cor District Bharuch in the State of Guja poration, a Government of Gujirat rat. The project involves import, of Undertaking which will hold 26 per cent technical finow-how and capital goods. equity shares. Shareholiers agreement 6 ? Written Armoers JU LY 12. 1977 W ritten Anatoert 68 has been excuted with Raipur Manu- Financial Canditlon of NatlMul Rayon flacturing Co. Ltd., Raipur wnich will Corporation hold 25 per cent of equity. (c) The company has entered into 3182. DR. V A SA N T KU M AR PA N a Foreign Collaboration Agreement DIT: Will the Minister of LAW. JUS with 3 Japanese firms Honshu Chemi TICE a n d COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: cal Industry Co. Ltd. for know-how, Mitsui Ship building Co. Ltd. for basic (a) whether the financial condition engineering while Mitsui and Co. Ltd. for co-ordinating the services of both of the National Rayon Corporation has become critical due to mismanage these firms. ment. irregularities and illegal tnani- (d) Production is likely to start in pulations; 1979. • (b) if so, the total amount of loans Proposal to discontinue wearing of and advances the National Rayon Black Dress by Advocates Corporation has to pay to Consortium of Banks and other Financing Bodies; 3161. SHRIMATI MRINAL GORE: and Will the Minister of LAW. JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleas (c) what steps Government have ed to state; taken or propose to take to protect the Shareholders and the Public finan (a) whether there is any proposal cial institutions from suffering further to discontinue the black dress worn loss? by Advocates in courts; (b) if so, the details thereof; and THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (c) whether the Magistrates and SHANTI BHUSHAN): (a) The Unit Judges would also be allowed to put Trust of India and the General In on their private dress in the courts? surance Corporation of India filed a petition before the Company Law THE MINISTER OF LAW. JUSTICE Board under section 408 o f the COin- AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI panies Act, 1956, bringing out various ^ SHANTI BHUSHAN): (a) to (c). financial irregularities and acts of mis- * There is no proposal of this kind with management. Government. The dress of Judicial Officers is prescribed by the High (b) The term loan given by the , Courts. financial institutions are «s under:— * Name of Institution Nature of loan Outstandmg (in lakhs of rupees) CO G;n:ral Insuranc: Corporation of India 6J% mortgage 19 00 and its subiid'aries. debentures 1972-77. (h) Y ICICI (a') 61% mortg ge 700 debenture* 1972-77. (b) Foreign airrency loanK. . 225 00 (c) Foreign currency loans sanctioned but awaiting disbun tment. lor.oo 69 Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers yo I As regards loans ' sanctioned by >niT sTPTTw ^ w ?rh: banks, in accordance with the prac tice and usage customary among Bankers and also in conformity with >Tf : the provisions of the Banking Com panies (Acquisition and Transfer of ( ’3 ') «TT iUTqm f w Undertakings) Act, 1970, information relating to the affairs of the indivi I ? dual constituents of the nationalised banks is not to be divulged. (c) The Company Law Board has : ( ^ ) wh: pass^ an o^der under Sec. 408(1) of the Companies Act, 1956 on 11-7-1977, (’l). 1972 % 1976 ^ q appointing eight Directors on tl;o 'drmf'icl iTTWr Board of the Company. 5ET^ Hto ?TTf o l ^ o ?TFTW 5FTf^ Distribution of Imported Drufs thro- uj:h State Chemicil ang Pharmaceuti cal Corporations 3163. SHRIM ATI PA R V ATH I K R I- SHNAN: Will the Minister of PETRO LEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FER TILIZERS be pleased to state: jfVo ?fto 5nrf o (a) whether Government propose *0-0 if IT'TJo to distribute through State Chemical HMM---- and Pharmaceutical Corporations all Jfto 27T the drugs which were imported by State Trading Corporation; and (b) if so, the details thereof and 1972 . 7. 37 1 2 .. 31 117.18 reasons therefor? 1973 7. 20 13., 44 181.96 THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. 1974 7. 49 13. 97 643.78 CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHR H. N. BA H U G U N A ): (a & b ). 1975 . 8 . 28 13. 67 716.31 Al] items of canalised bulk drugs are imported by the State Chemicals & 1976 8 . 66 14. 03 815. 17 Pharmaceuticals Corporations Ltd. (CPC). Distribution of such canalised drugs as are within the production range of Indian Drugs & Pharmaceu ticals Ltd. (IDPL) is done by IDPL ?HTT 'TT f t I All the remaining items are distribut ed by the CPC. Consumption of Crude Oil for Afrl- cultural Products 3165. PROF. P. G. M A V A LA N K AR : 3164* ^ • T T T R T T Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI ZERS be pleased to state: (a) the total consumption of crude oil for agricultural purposes in the (wr) H 1972— 76 %?fVTTq-^?r whole country during the last three years— 1974, 1975 & 1976; 71 Written Answers JULY 12, 1977 Written Answers 73 (b) the total such consumption in troleum products used for agricul the State of Gujarat during the same ture are Light Diesel Oil (LtX)) and period: and High Speed Diesel Oil (HSD). No separate statistics are maintainei.T (c) the details <>f the costs towards about quantities of petroleum products (a) St (b) above? consumed for agricultural purposes. However, according to tentative as sessments made by the Indian Institu THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. te of petroleum, the consumption of CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS HSD and LDO for atjriculture on all (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) to India basis and for Gujarat dunni( (c). Crude oil as such is not used Iot 1973-74. 1974-75 and 1975-76. is as fo l agricultural purposes. The main pe low s:— ’ooo Kilo Litres (.1) All India 1973-74 1974-75 1975-76 HSD 1560 1725 1895 LDO 475 523 572 (2) Gujarat HSD 52 58 62 LDO 292 320 349 As per the current price of HSD and LDO, the approximatp cost of the products sold during 1975-76 is as follows: — {Figs in Rs. Crores) All India Gujarat HSD 207-48 6 79 LDO 50 32 3^ 70 The above cost, however, ■•’oes not THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM include transportation charges which CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS vary from place to place. (SHRI H. N. B A H U G U N A ): (a) and (b). The discovery of oil in Bombay High has added significantly to the India's Oil Prospects known reserves of oil in on8h''rt! and offshore areas. 3166. SHRI K. L A K K A P P A : W ill the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: 3 1 6 7 . : (a) whether India’s oil prospects «RTT ^ J T f ^ : have changed dramatically during the last two years; and (v) ^ (b) if so, the saliant featur'es there of? ' ?ft ^ w ff fv n r *niT; 76 Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 74 ( ^ ) ^ STRT No representation has been receiv ed for construction of an overbridge 5 ^ l?!fy (sfto : ( t ) way Authority. 3 ft ^ I No proposal has yet been i^ceived from the Government of Kerala for (g-) »fk (>T). 5TT^ the construction of a road ovrroridge Wr^STTT at the V Gate. As and when h firm -proposal is received from the State Government, subject to the availabi f ^ ' t 3R cTT, ?T?R lity of funds, it will be co;isid'red ^ T ^ f , *T5T^»n: ' r f ^ , for inclusion in the Railway’s Works Programme after the completion of ?nir ^ 5RtT ^ ?T'*JTTt^ JTFcT [jir ^ | necessary formalities/prel'.minarips if ITzp ^ ^ % .'uch as preparation of drawi-igs, de signs, estimates, etc. and their mu- ST?^ ^ irtsftorr^wr stK n t « ft lual acceptance by the S^ate G ov f^>?ITf3r7T ernment and the Railway. «T»T?n % *Frr®r ^nnr sin^^Tft^ ^ 1r m r i 5iwfr g r Construction of overbridje at Francis 3169. «ft Road Crossing Iff ^ FTT 3168. DR. V. A. SEYID M UHAM ir *nn % MAD: Will the Minister of RAIL f rr ? r m T 5FT ^rsrsT ^ WAYS be pleased to state: q r TT t (a) whether representations have been made to the Government that ?fy«rT ? overbridges should be constructed at the Francis Road Crossing, III Gate and V Gate in Calicut to relieve Improveaent in Scnriee condition of the Revised Scales of pay re SUIT commended by the Third Pay Commission have been further 3170. SHRI JANARDHANA PCXXIA- improved for a number of RY; WiU the Minister of RAILWAYS categories benefltting nearly be pleased to state; 60,000 staff. (a) whether his Ministry has taken (5) Cadres of Class III and IV non any steps for the substantial im artisan categories have been restructured upgrading 41,000 provements in the sCTvice conditions of the staff; and post.s to improve promotional prospects. (b) if so. the details of the steps (6) Selection grade posts have taken by the Railways in this regard? been created for the benefit of staff. In Cass IV alone this would benefit 50.000 employees. THE MINIS PER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADITU DANDAVATE); (a) (7) Terms and conditions of em Yes. ployment of casual labourers have been liberalised. Now on (b) Substantial improvements in the open line they get temporary service conditions of Railway employees status and monthly scales of have been effected from time to time pay after 120 days’ service; on through the implementation of the re projects they get the scale rate commendations of the three Pay Com of pay after 6 months. missions and various decisions taken (8) Night duty and overtime by the Government based on the recom allowances have been libera mendations or otherwise of TribunaL; lised. e.c. The major improvements made during the last three years as a result of the recommendations of the Third Oil Drilling in Sanilnaar Arem Pay Commission and the Railway La o f Jammu bour Tribunal (Miabhoy) and other 3171. DR. KARAN SINGH; W ill the decisions are: Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE (1) There has been an upward re MICALS AND FERTILIZERS be vision in the pay scales of pleased to state: almost all the categories with (a) whether drilling for oil in the effect from 1st January, 1973 Saruinsar area of Jammu has been as a result of introduction of new scales. This has parti restarted; and cularly benefitted Class IV (b) if not, the reasons for not do staff whose pay scales were ing so? fixed by Government at levels above those recommended by the Pay Commission. THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (2) Leave, retirement and pen (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) and sionary entitlements have (b). In the well already drilled been liberalised. Saruinsar severe down hole compli (3) Dearness Allowance has been cations, higb pressures and tempera sanctioned from time to time ture were encountered. ONGC has on the basis of price index. taken steps to acqire the requisite technology to drill deep wells under (4) Based on the recommendatioBS such conditioos with a view to reuin- of the Anomalies Committee, in? drilling operations in the area. 77 Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 78 npelln« eoBBectinr off-shore oil fields of Bombay High with Main Land :n72. SHRI D. D. DESAI: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE 3 1 7 3. iqt : WT MICALS AND FER riHZERS be pleas fw *T5fV BTf ^ frqr f r : ed to state; (a) whether the pipeline project connecting the off-shore oil and gas srf(T9 r f ^ Jr ^ % fields around Bombay High with the main land is coming up according to schedule: f w »mT I (b) if so, what is the alignment of the pipeline and where will it termi («r) 10- 6 -7 7 ^ nate; ^JT^fcqlr ^ ^ »nn-1 wrt rTTT ^ 1W W t, rTr (c) whether these matters have been decided from the angle of opti ^TTTir I ; isrY?: mum efflcitiicy and economy; and (>t) w t ^rm^TTnr % (d) if so, what is the longitude »[fl' and latitude of the oil strike spot % (HTOifhrr ^ ^ ? and its distance from the nearest coastline as against the length of the pipeline? ^ * n f t (sfto : (^ ) % (»t). 3tt I %Cn TT T® fr I TH3 MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS M/s. Wheeler and CompMiT (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA); (a) Yes. Sir. 3174. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (b) The alignment of both the oil and gas pipelines wouid be from Bom (a) whether it is a fact that the bay High field to Uran via North M/s Wheeler and Company has al Bassein field. most monopolised the licences in set ting up of bookstalls on railway platforms all over India; (c) Yes Sir. Decision has been taken on techno-economic considerations. (b) what are the terms and condi tions on which these licences ar« being issued; (d) The coordinates of the discovery well are approximately 19* 32 minutes North and 71° 17 minutes East. Dis (c) whether the attention of the tance from this discovery well to t^e Govieniment ha* been drawn to the nearest coBctal point which is Diu is recent labour dispute between about r44 kms. The length of the Wheeler and Company and hawkers; pipeline would be around 210 kms. and 79 Written Answers JULY 12, 1977 Written Answers 8o (d) if so, what are their demands amicably. Normal working of book and steps t«k«n to solve the dispute? stalls was restored at Delbi Main Station with effect from 28th June, THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 1977. (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a> The rights previously given to Messrs. Stateanent A. H. Wheeler & Co., for running book stalls exclusively over an entire Rail (b) The following are the important way or portions thereof, have, with features of the agreement between effect from 1st August. 1960. been modi- Messrs. A. H. Wheeler & Co.. (P) Ltd. tied so that (licensee) and the zonal Railway A d ministrations (Licensors):—• (i) at stations where there are no bookstall.^, others can be allot (1) The contract of M/s. A. H. Whee ted bookstalls; and ler & Co., has been renewed for a term (ii) even at stations where book of 9 years with etiect from 1st January, stalls exist, it is permissible 1976. to license philanthropic, chari (2) The licensee shall pay a royalty table institutions like Rama- Krishna Mission, Sarvsewa of 2i per cent per annum of the total Prakashan, Gita Press, etc., to sales turnover. sell books, periodicals, etc. (3j The licensee shall have a good stock of books, newspapers, magazines, At stations where Messrs. A. H. periodicals of all Indian Languages and Wheeler & Co., have their bookstalls, they have the sole right to sell the and other European languages at the books, periodicals, etc., at that station. stations where they have the contract with the Railways. This was modified in November, 1975 and now even at such stations where (4) The licensor has a right to per Messrs. A. H. Wheeler and Company mit the sale at the stations specified, have their bookstalls, it is permissible otherwise through the licensee’s book to ahot bookstalls to others on new stall, periodicals, books, etc. published platforms which may be constructed/ by non-profiteering institutions like added after 1st January, 1976. Out of Ramakrishna Mission, Sarva Seva about 7056 stations on the Indian Rail Sangh. etc.. for sale of other books, the ways, bookstalls have been provided at licensee shall have the sole rights to about 650 stations. Messrs. A. H. sell at stations where he has the con Wheeler & Company have bookstalls tract. The licensors have also the at about 288 stations. A t the remain right to allot bookstalls to individual ing 362 stations, bookstall contracts unemployed graduates and their Co- are being held by about 230 other con operatives/Partnershlps/Associations on tractors. the new platforms coming up on and after 1st January, 1976 even at stations (b) A statement is attached. having bookstalls held by M/s. A. H. (c) Government had received a re Wheeler & Co., port regarding dispute between Northe rn Railway Vendors Coopyerative Indus (5) The licensor shall not be liable trial (Service) Society Limited, Delhi, for any loss or damage to the licen and Messrs. A. H. Wheeler and Com see’s bookstall or other contents, from pany at Delhi Main Station. whatever causes such loss or damage m ay occur. ^d) The main demiands were for re instatement of retrenched hawkers/ (6) The sale price of books and other vendors and fair emoluments to them. literature shall not exceed the price This dispute has since been settled charged for the same by bookseller* 8 l Written Amwers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 82 I outside and the Administration has a to discharge his obligation under the right to check the price charge by the agreement in a manner satisfactory to licensee. the licensor, the licensor shall on giving three months notice in writing to the (7) The licensor reserves the right licensee have the right to determine to require the licensee to sell specified this agreement without prejudice to the books or periodicals. licensor’s right to recover all arrears ( 8) The licensee shall keep adequate of amounts due. stock of publicity literature published by Publications Division of the Govern ment of India. Restoration of Benefit io Employees of Ktaaracpur and Kliiirda DivMon (9) The licensee shall not close down (South Eastern Railway) or remove any of the stalls without the permission of the licensor. 3175. SHRI S. KUNDU: W ill the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased (10) The licensor has the right of to state: prohibiting sale or exhibition of any publication of an obscene or scurrilous (a) whether Government have been nature and the decision of the licensor able to find out various types of shall be final in this regard. advantages given to “loyal” workers (11) The licensee shall be given cer in the various divisions of the rail tain passes for carrying on the busi ways during last emergency; ness. (b) if so, how many of s^ch rail (12) The licensee shall observe all way employees received favoured rules and regulations framed from time treatment and the nature of such to time by the Administration in re treatment; gard to the running of bookstalls. (c) whether Government have (13) The licensee shall not assign, taken steps to restore the benefit to transfer, charge or dispose of any right those workers who suffered on ac or privilege conferred by the agreement count of favoured treatment given to without the consent of the licensor. loyal workers; and He shall not sublet the contract allot ted to him. (d) if so, the number of such (14) The licensee shall pay electri favoured treatment shown in the city, municipal taxes etc., as fixed from Kharagpur and Khurda division of time to time. The licensee is respon the S.E. Railway and what steps sible for complying with all the laws have been taken, to do justice to of the land such as Payment of Wage those workers who suffered on ac Act, Hours of Employment Regulation count of the benefit extended to these Act. Workmen’s Compensation Act, etc. “loyal” workers? (15) The licensee shall pay a fair THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS wage to the workmen. Fair wage (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATEU; (a) shall mean wages paid for similar work The scheme of awards to railway staff, in the neighbourhood. who did not participate in the strike (16) The licensee shall engage sales of May '74, was introduced in 1974. Its implementation was a continuing men and hawkers of good behaviour process. No special scheme of bene and character and ensure satisfactory fits or giving favoured treatment to service. such employees was instituted during (17) If the licensee commits any the period of Emergency. breach of the provisions of the contract or in the event of the licensee failing (b) to (d) Do not arise. Written Answers JU LY 12. 1977 83 Written Answert 84 is presently being conducted at Dab- ka, Rupawati, Sanand. Jotana. Nan- dasan and Mehsana areas. 3 1 7 6 . W.Tin : ^ frrfj? w ft T?T IT^ «fdl'f 1% ^TT + ( t ) 3178. >?Tf «jtFT : fJTT -^fzx ir7 ?n ^ ^ fr*n «FT# fip : «r>isn w w r T f r {^) ^'T’TirnT-vhaT-vhy^ ( ^ ) 5rf^ ^ , ?ft sq^TT *ft77 TflT mT^ ^ ^ TT w r f ?T f^cRT ^ t ; TH *nft (siye »T^ ( ^ ) {w ) %rw n v ^ ^ ift I ^ t ?T«n sfr (jt) tTTFT Oil Fields U> Gajarat fTT ? 3177. SHRI AHM ED PA TEL: WiU the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be (sfto : (^ ) pleased to state; 1 97 1 Jr 42 . 93 tr^ qfT- (a) the broad features of the oil ^fnr^ wft Tt *nft sft I fTJf ?lr fields in Gujarat, their present capa qftTT^' ? ? ^ ??V7: ^nr 'Tfr city and production; sr^JTT-T #JITT fsfrqr oTf71^ I 1 (b) whether any new operation is being held; end ( ® ) w f, 1976 arsp ^Irtnrnr- (c) if so, the facts thereof? TtTCTJ: Hrrr ^ ^ THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, ^ it f5T fimTTT 42 5TfcT?rcT ST»rfcJ CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS t I 1 9 7 7 W »rf<-?T3RT TK (SHRI H. N. B A H U G U N A ): (a) Jn 5=T'TW^T 1 7 ^ TTftr | f t I Gujarat oil fields, oil is produced from sandstone reservoirs. The Anklesh- 4 0 0 305 ^ITT ffT war oil field is the biggest with light ^ I 40 Frn9T €T'^ oil and bigh recovery facters. North Gujarat oil fields are small with thin ir ?ir 2 8 w tzr firft reservoir sands and viscous oil. The Wl 85^^ 47 wi ’T^'i w k 5 85 Gujarat fields as a whole produce at *r ^ 4 8 2 » i z 'Twi fn finrt»T f i pre'jent about 4.2 m illion tonnes per annum. w'd ^ ^ I (b ) and (c). Besides certain secon (>r) y ; % ycT ^ dary recovery operations in the exist ing fields, exploratory drilling for oil f^rfrarg' ?nft vcrnrT +TiH ^ i §5, Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 86 Extension of Bailwajr line* in Nortb- Monopoly of a Company over Ad' Eastern Reffion vertisementg In Cinoma Houses 3179. SHRIM ATI RENUKA DEVI 3180. SHRI KAN WAR L A L GUP BARKATAKI: Will the Minister of TA: Will the Minister of LAW. JUS RAILWAYS be pleased to state: TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be (a) whether the proposal to bring pleased to state: all the State-Capitals on the railway map of India is still under consider (a) whether Government are ation of Government; and aware of the fact that there is almost a monopoly of a company advertise (b) if so, what steps his Ministry ment in all the cinema houses of have taken to extend railway lines India; to Meghalaya, Mizoram, Manipur, Kohima, Agartala, Itanagar of North ^b) if so, the name of the company Eastern region? alon^with the names and addresses of the Directors; THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (c) the details of complaints re (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): ceived by the Government against (a) The question of providing railway this Company and the action taken links for State Copitals and other im portant places in the country, where by the CJovernment thereon; ver it is technically feasible, is under constant consideration. (d) whether it is a fact that this Company made a big propaganda for the Congress party during Lok Sabha (b) Surveys for the following rail elections and refused to advertise for way Imes have either been carried Janata Party; and out or are in progress with a view to extending railway .facilities to the (e) what action Government pro States in the Northea.stern Region pose to take to break the monopoly mentioned in the Question: of this advertising company for cinema houses? (1) Meghalaya (i) Jogighopa/Panchratna- Darangiri. THE MINISTER OF LAW. JUS TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (ii) Gauhati-Bu"nihat. (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): .a) and (2) Mizoram (b). The Government are aware of allegations having been made of m'O- Lalaghat-Sairan". nopo’y of advertisements in all Cine ma houses, and these have been made ( 3 ) Manipur ae-iinst M/s. Blaze Advertising Pvt. Silchar-Jiribam. Ltd., Bombay. The names and ad (4) Nagaland (Kohima) dresses of the Directors of this com pany are as per statement annexed. Amguri-Tuli. (c) Complaint is that no action had (5) Tripura (Agartala") been taken on the a^egation that M/s. Dharman gar-Kum arghat-Agar. Blaze Advertising Pvt, Ltd. was in tala-Sabroom. dulging in restrictive trade practices ( 6) Arunachal Pradesh (Itanagar) by executing sole agency agreements with a large number of theatres all (i) Tiplin-Itanagar. over the country for exhibition of (ii) Balipara-Bhalukpong. commercial slides and shorts on a mo (iii) Murkong Selek-Passighat. nopoly basis. 87 Written Answers JULY 12, 1977 Written Answers 88 (d) It is found that a sister concern According to M/s. Blaze Advertising of this company named M/s. Blazee (Delhi) Pvt. Ltd., it has exhibited Advertising (Delhi) Pvt. Ltd. New slides on behalf of Janata Party in Delhi entered into an agreement with Delhi in five Cinema houses. the All India Congress Committee, (e) The Monopolies & Restrictive New Delhi for the exhibition of slides Trade Practices Commission has al and short films and playing of discs in ready instituted an enquiry and their various cinema houses all over the proceedings are pending. country and carried out the same. The Department of Company Affairs has Names and addresses of Directors no information that the Company re as per the latest available informa fused to advertise for the Janata Parly. tion are as follows: — Name Address 1 Miss Freni M. Variava 71, Embassy Apartments, Nepean Sea Road, Bombay-6. 2 Mrs. Silloo F. Vjriava 71, Embassy Apartments, Ncpan Sea Road, Bombay-6. 3 Mr. Lilil M. Bijlani ‘Adibaba’ i6th Road, Santacruz (.West), Bombay-54. 4 Mrj. Miya L. Bijlani ‘Adibaba’, 16th Road, Santacniz (West), Bombay-54. NOTES: (b) if so, to what extent these ( 1) Shri Mohan J- Bijlani ceased strikes have affected the petroleum to he a Director w.e.f. 31-7-76, Industry in the country; as he expired. (c) what steps Government pro (2) Shri Fali M. Variava ceased poses to take to avoid strikes in these to be a Director w.e.f. 10-7 organisations; and 77, as he expired. (d) whether the demands of the (3) Shri Jagdish Chetandas Bha- employees of all these organisations tia was appointed as Director have been considered and whether of the company w.e.f. 25-ID- any co-operative committee hag been 1976 but h'e resigned as D irec set up? tor w.e.'f. 1-3-1977. THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS Pctroleam Crisis doe to Strike by (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA); (a) No, O and NGC and Koyali Refinery Em ployees Sir. (b) The strike by workers of Koya 3181. SHRI R. V. SW AM IN ATH AN : li Refinery took place on llth May, Will the Minister of PETROLEUM 1977 and ended on 20th May, 1977. AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI There was a token strike in ONGC ZERS be pleased to state: in Assam for a day on 15-6-1977. (a) whether serious petroleum Ther was another strike in the Centr«l crisis may hit the .woiAry this year Workshop of ONGC at Baroda froin due to the large scale strikea by the 2-7-1977 to 4-7-1977. These striike’ staff of Oil and Natural Gas Com did not adversely affect the produc mission in many States and at Koyali tion of crude oil and gas. Tlie Ko- Refinery; yali Refinery was also kept running 89 Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers go at about 70 per cent capacity during (b) Since the Goa Administration the strike period. These strikers did did not recommend a full-fledged High not create any serious crisis. Court for the Union Territory, no steps have been taken in this regard. (c) Managements try to resolve in dustrial disputes through negotations with the recognised unions. If such Exploratory Drilling In Diamond negotiations do not succeed, manage Harbour ments follow the machinery prescrib 3183. SHRI JYOTIRM O Y BOSU: ed for disposal of such disputes under Will the Minister of PETROLEUM the Industrial Disputes Act. AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI ZERS be pleased to state: (d) The demands raised by the re cognised union of Koyali Refinery (a) whether the ONGC will under- have been considered. Negotiations t:'ke the “deepest ever" oll-shore with the recognised union in ONGC (“xploratory drilling when it spuds are continuing. Though no coopera ihe Diamond Harbour (24 Parganas tive committees have been constituted district West Bengal) well No. 1 bilateral discussions are held when Sarisa, five kilometers from Diamond ever necessary. Harbour; (b) if so, whether the exploratory Setting Up of High Court in Goa, drilling has already started; and Daman and Diu (c) if so, what are the details 3182. SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: '.'-‘'■n.of? Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleas THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, ed \ to state: CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) The (a) whether Government are Diamond Harbour well No. 1 is an aware that there is a strong demand on-shore well with projected depth from the people of Goa. Daman and of 5500 metres. This, however, w ill Diu for setting up a full fledged not be the deepest ever well as it is High Court in that territory; and already proposed to drill a well at Puranpur in U.P. to a depth of 6000 (b) steps Government have taken mts. or propose to take in this regard? (b) and (c). A new American rig THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS ARMCO 1320-M has been erected at TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS the site and civil construction work (SHRI SHANTIi BHUSHAN): (a) completed. The drilling is likely to There have been some demands in commence in August/September, 1977. the past for setting up a full-fledged High Court in Goa. Daman and Diu. However, in August, 1975 the Goa Ad ministration informed the Govern ment of India that they were not in favour of setting up either an inde pendent High Court or a permanent Bench of a neighbouring High Court for that territory. In June, 1976 a proposal was received from the Chief Minister, Goa, Daman & Diu that the territory may be provided with a Bench of a High Court of a neighbour ing State preferably Maharashtra. Written Ansroers JULY 12. 1977 91 Written Answers 92 ( w ) fjjT w ri % srfTO wfer- (^ ) mTTFu f^T fTJHT t ^'t ?t^t ^TTf: w n fm 'P T - »r?f 1 1 *TnTT7JT srf^q r *nT?rT irfwvni sw tw t IT? rRT TTT ^ fTirftT^ 318 5. «ft ^ W «r, i A n 5T^ HT ^ m r, ff? ^ w c ^ - WTO itcft 11^ ?frr^ apr «rraTrs?i % «r5=^>TrT 'K T ^TT fT : TT ?rrarr^ t t f^trffrnn>9 ^ •9 ft - I fT^JTmr, O TT3f«Tm t f (fr) !Rn ?r firfii, ?0TO iftt i f i a (i) % 5T‘nfV («ft ?lrt% W» t ) : ( ^ ) Sr^TcH % if ^ ^TT1«T TT f w 3TT I I ^ I 5||^ ^ 3Tf^ ■jTt; :wlf?T«r3rTT*T«T^ st^ r ^ («■) w k (»T).5r?^^=n I ^mnfr ^ ^jfr, 3t> t^ ^H«ti W f ?ftT if !T5T^f?r^ srt^jftfn^T ^ fn*T W ?f^?fV fT^' ^7-jgr^ n m t ?rfgr5Tf TcT STirm’k SPTTTT'^v» f«F ?rj^;Tfr ^r^T irr?r srff wrr f; : ^ I 5rJTm^^ ^q^srfH w r f l T T l I (W ) »rf?f ?rt VRSTHT 5fTT ffSTT r«i> t g r ^ lT ^T r^HTrlT ^JTT^T 7|T (?t ) ^ ^ ^UT ^ fT ^55n?qi' ^ HrTl ^T .TTTr^T^ ^TT 'T ^ ^TTTH I ? T T ^ % 5rf^«r,q^ ^ . ^ - ' » r Cv * *,• trw ^ 9T zfr^TTUrt JiTT q ^Mfrqn , rm v T w\r o tt«p »??f, ?TR7tI^ gSTRTcJT^ W T I ?T HWT ’ T55?T H 5 « m T ) : ( ^ ) v\r^ ^T srfffsf *T OTifm ftWT 3rnr I (^) . fira^ ^ ^ if 197 6 7 7 Tt T^^'r^r^T w k ?TJff % f H ■JcTryq OTT CTtTcH ^ Tf ?rftl^ (TT) ^ (^ r). >m- i m 1 1 % 1 ^ ^ 1 r t «n fsr % 3f\TR 5iiT ^ *r ¥ -q H ^ i f v z\^ '\ ^ ^JTTVeinT >^f*Jni1i T^T 3IT t ;- ftFJT T m r % I (i) fr«rf®r ^ tft3i?rj^«rprw^Rn^ ^ T ^ 5TT# ?riT9r i % ?mTT?T sm ^ tw «rmr ^ ( i i ) I ^ if qtsm ^ ( i l i ) ?R #JT3T I f^ T ^srm ^1 95 Written Answers JULY 12, 1977 Written A n ^ e r f 9« 1 9 7 5 -7 6 t r k 1 9 7 6 -7 7 « q n >ft «fV 1 9 7 5 -7 6 1 5.35 3.20 20.32 4.45 1 9 7 & -7 7 19.0 4.80 24. 77 6 . 7 «fk *t.T^ifdy wVt % ftrfsTff t t m i m % ir qtT ^ »rnT %vft •j ^ f t »rf q^ w»fV ^ r ^ T«TT lT?nW!T % (b) if so, whether some of the per »TfTf'it9r^ ^ fmnfxgr t V «ff i sons involved in the bribing were ?»T ^'T 1-2-1 9 7 5 »T 5Tf«Tfii-^T ^ caught and handed over to the police but were later on let out on the plea f^qTTllTTt I ^ 197 5-7(^^19 7 -7 7 that ii is a non-cognizable offence % M ctcT #tr ^'t5M rRfv>^iftefy nra:into ?fto Double Railway Line for SealdaJi: Hto x n cTT ^ ifdTTlii’iTH'irTfgwii Boogaon and Bandei Katwa f^rafft^irram^inT^rr”T $ f^ 3189. SHRI SA U G ATA ROY: WIIT % Wr««g?T ^ gfHfWcT TT ^ the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleas ed to state: I' (a) whether Government propose Bribinc of voters in Sathanknlam to start work on doubling the Sfeal- Aasembly Constituency in Tamil dah-Bongaon and Bandei Katwa Nadn .. lines soon; and 3188. SHRI K. T. K O SA LR A M ; W Ul (b) if sa details thereof? the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state; THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) whether Government are (a) and (b). While there is nO pro aware that in recent Assembly, posal to double the Bandel-Katwa sec elections in Tamil Nadu, some of the tion, as regards doubling e portion of contestants in Sathankulam Assembly Sealdah-Bongaon section, the matter Constitucincy in Tirunelveli DiatriiH, is under correspondence wUb the Mi indulged in large gc^ld bribing o f nistry of Fiaanae regarding voters; arrangements. 1459.LS—4 ~ Written Anstoers 100 99 Written Answers JULY 12. 1977 Cmistnietioii of ov^-M dcM at level A fresh scheme for the conatruction croarfitgB In Ita n l of the above two road overbridges has since been prepared, and the same 3190. SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMA- is presently under examination. TH: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that In Supply of Indane Ga« In Andaman view of the frequent road traffic and Nicobar Islanda hold-ups in Itarsi an important com mercial centre of Madhya Pradesh, 3191. SHRI MANORANJAN BHA- the construction of over bridges at KTA: Will the Minister of PETROLE two level crossings in the town was UM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTI sanctioned by Government more than LIZERS be pleased to state: ten years ago; (a) whether Government proposes (b) if so, whether any progress has to supply Indane Cooking gas in been made in the implementation of Andaman and Nicobar Islands; and the scheme and if so, the details thereof; and (b) whether Government propose (c) if not, the reasons for the in to tap natural gas from the Andaman ordinate delay? and Nicobar Islands if so, when? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. (a) Only one proposal for the cons CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS truction of a road overbridge in re (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) Due placement of level crossing No. 1 at to limited availability of LPC, Indian km 745; 14-15 on Itarsi-Bhopal Sec Oil Corporation has no plan to in tion was included in the Railway’s troduce Indane gas in the Andaman Works Programme in 1965-66. and Nicobar Islands for the present. (b) The work was not taken up. (b) Besides geological survey on shore, seismic and magnetic surveys (c) The State Government had to have been carTied out in the Anda- construct a road diversion before the man-Nicobar .shelf area. Whether or work could be taken up. They were not there are natural f>as deposits in unable to do so for a very long the Island? -would be known after ex time. Meanwhile, the State Govern ploratory drilling is carried out at ment came up with another proposal selected places. in 1970 for the construction of another road overbridge at km 746; 1-2 on Itarii-Jabalpur Section. Due to th? proximity of the two proposed road overbridges, it was decided to have a common approach at Hoshangabad end and the scheme drawn up earlier for the road overbridge was given 3112. JJ5WTT: ^ up and a fresh scheme common to ^ JTf ?iTT# ^ frqr : "both the road overbridges w as requir ed to be prepared. Under the cir cumstances, the earlier proposal lor (^) WT JT? t the road overbridge in lieu of the level % ^TfT^r 3 7 ^ crossing at km 745| 14-15, on Itarsi- Bhopal Sectidh, was delet^ from the *nrR im ir ifr «rr rftH ^ Railway’s Work Programme. I lO I Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) WriUen Answers io 2 (W ) 5t, WT iPTT«r ( v ) g ra5rf;n>' ar^ % f ffn r ?r«n ^ 31 *TT^, 1977 ^ (»r) »TT^ ^ StT TK iffRT srftr 5IT»T?T a p n « ft 5F7?r % JPTT ^«nTT fip^ ^ ^ ^ ^ T| t ’ q r ^rrar | ^ ^ *T^ (sfto »?n jtiw h ) ; ( ^ ) ■3^ ^ VT inftrv (v) ^ I Tfsrf j Vo- T^k R T | ?htt ^ ^ pBTt^rj?: c f^ im (37 i!rT) *rf it f^RTft ^ I ? 29 frr wtr ir 28 m t xmjR nth ( w ) wVt (*t). STM trU («ft ) « ( ^ ) TTT^Fff ^ JjfwT Elections to State Assemblies 3193. SHRI B A LA SA H E B VIKHE PATIL: Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS ir snft^ ^ i m r f be pleased to state: n f 5 r f ^ , ^ f ^ - (a) the total number of cases of Old lint ^ mishappenings i*nd impersonation, separately State-wise as also the TT ?TTmf!^ ?t% % number of ttJndered votes an:! chal lenged votps separately. State-wise t ' during the recent election to State Assernblies; and Jj^q- 5r«TT?T 3Tfw, #f?WT ?nfTf^ fb) how do thc&e figures compare cs 'vith those of 1371 elections? THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS fcT^ % f^JTf^cT t I ^ TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): (a) ij^RT 5 1 ^ t ;— and (b). The information is being collected and will be laid on the jrfw jfto ^ Table of the House. 1650 irfw f v i z v HPPT ^ nrHITTR' 10 ’ 5 93s(5of^.^T. 3 1 9 4 . r n ? < n f t ; w t 925 ( f^o ffigi TfTW’T iftt *T^ 100 TTTo) ff<7T f v : 103 Written Answers JULY 12, 1977 Written ATtswers 104 iirN; % i R n h r ^ 1 rn rrft’, ffRT ?nr ^ I 1 9 7 6 w f q - i f h m ( ^ ) 'ftJT 9 T ^ ?TRt aifV W r it ^ 5TrfT 4>rf^ni+ ^3WTWff memrvrmt ?rm^ ?m ^ apt ^ircfV ^ ^ ^RVTT ?RT I ^ n q-'Trm fHtlir ITTT f^f^TT f?HRT 1975-76 %t\T 1 976-77 ^ 5fk r ^ % ^ f^i^RTT % ^3T T r ^ '^ 'U . % 517^ ? 17T f W »R T % *TH!H R ^ t :— (?rrer HIT >3rMT^H 1975-76 15. 35 3. 20 20. 32 4.45 1976-77 19. 00 4. 80 24. 77 6 . 70 1 9 7 7 -7 8 % ?Y5CR 5T T ^ ?^»ftT 'ftJTfr ^ ff«T ?NnsFt stw vm iflr vt «l»R4)rdV % ^J?TK5T ^ 5T«ir «nj*TR 1 1 ’Pm: 22 ?rrar »fto ^ ?rrqrt3R « r k 7 . 2 ?rrar *fVo q>r<^d ^1 imvTvynft ^ 1 9 7 7 -7 8 % ?\ tR 31.30 5TTW *r «Rrr ^ ^ ^ ^ ’ fto 35T TTT^fhR, 8.71 ^TT# *fto y ^fw d ^ a i P R i ^ ^ ^TTcft « fk 4.10 ?TW »fto C?T 1 1 I05 Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (,SAKA) Written Answers io 6 8 - 2 -7 7 fW g n w f t 9 X V R «R T «rf«r- *rnr ffn r f w M f o r *R IT T T W - STfERKR f?R> rnrr T^TTZTT 16:20;0 1860 1700 20;20:0 2080 1845 ^r«q>l 'FT^TR 'T ifb r r f^ 10:26:26 2020 1990 12:32:16 2220 2220 22:22:1 1 2100 2100 24:24:0 2080 2080 -R jm 'T ifc r r f^ 17:17:17 1810 1810 14:28:14 2660 1950 24:24:0 2100 2045 +rn+r'^' 28:28:0 2340 2 3 4 0 19:19:19 2020 2 0 2 0 i s 28:28:0 2 3 00 2 34 0 14:35:14 2 2 30 2230 16:20:0 1700 1 700 18:9:0 1320 1320 19:5: 19:5:0 1820 1820 18:46:0 2120* 2120* 15:15:15 1520 1520 20:20:0 1880 1760 * 2210 *f*PCT?r I 107 Written Anstcers JULY 12. 1977 Written Answers loS fiFPft if ^ oil exploration by the end o i 1977; and 3195 . fir w : WT (b) if so, whether Government have any alternative plan for oil ^ fqr ^ f% : exploration in that area? ( ^ ) ^ ^ fv?nft THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, ^ Iw f f ?rh: CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS rSHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA); (a) The ^ wrt t?T^ two American Consortia, naniely Na- ^nwT I ; ?ih: lomas-Carlsberg Group and Reading and Bates Group, have given notice ( w ) m r ^ , 1975 % 91? effective from 1st August, 1977 to ter minate their contracts for oil explora ^ ?TTWfeT ^ »Tt ? tion in off-shore West Bengal-Orissa and off-shore Kutch. rmsR wh 7#r»: (b) The results of the surveys and *N^ («ft : ( ^ ) drilling carried out by the two Ame rican Group of Companies in Bengal- it ^ ^ MV t?t Orissa and Kutch offshore areas •■»q rHi4lf % 5 8 faRRT I I fkcRVf are being evaluated by the ONGC on % 'TRT ^ w ^ r r fr which would depend the question of further oil exploration in these areas ^ ^ +M^T7> t I *rihrrft f ^ ? n r t t h I^i|4t1 fW r 11 3197. SHT4 Wrt : WT a n n wrrt * r^ ( ^ ) 1975 ^ ?T^ ?T^ ^ f«rr «T^ f*P; ii «t.'qpTgff JTTT 21 JR f^ r n :^ ( ^ ) ^ 1^ 0 »To ^ »T ^ ^ ’Tf I 5T o 1 128 1974-75) qT^TT ( f ^ R ) if vfnr 5 5 H W fgrfKd? Off-shore drilling contracts given to n DflTTgim ^ ; American Conaortia 3196. SHRI M U K H TIA R SINGH ( ^ ) W T ^ 11 0 MALIK: Will the Minister of PETRO ?mmr ^ ift ^ if ff LEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FER t ?fh: 2200 «*rfRT TPT TILIZERS be pleased to state; I; (e) whether the two American Consortia which wf^^e given off-shore (*r) WT fJTVlT q?TT t drilling contracts in 1974 will s t o p 109 M'ritten Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers n o THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS ?np ^ (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): vf JJT smw ^ fwT m r t (a) Yes. The accident occurred at Anuppur station. (b) In this accident no one was kill («r) ir f t ^ (*??), (^) ^ ed. However, 7 persons susiained in juries. (»i) ^ ^ ^ ^ B T v n : 5fT ’HT-^TT^f ^rfl% ?r (c) The Additional Commissioner of Railway Safety, has held his sta % *TPT^ ^ ^ ^rrpT tutory inquiry into this accident. His report is a'’, ::ited. w j I ? (d) No compensation has been paid ftrfu, rum wtr *Tift as no claim for compensation under the Indian Railways Act, 1890 has (« ft WtffT : ( ^ ) !fl 7 (?J). been received so far from the victims of this train accident. On the basis ^ H l >T^ ^ ^ ^ ^ of the verdict of the Court of the E x o ffic io Claims Commissioner, payments ^Tcf^T % q r S T ^ ^ ? t :»rnnfr I will be arranged by the Railway Ad- ministrttion. (*T) 5rk (sr) . fnnw sirir f f t 3fr !!fzTT T jf^ RT ^ ^ »rt Lathi Charge at Fort Station «ft w r WT qr cT«iT 3199 . SHRI SHAMBHU NATH CHATURVEDI: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: sTJTPT *T^ ^ ^ 3TT Tift I ? (a) whether a lathi charge was made on 21st June, 1977 at Agra Fort Station on passengers seated in a second class unreserved compeirt- ColUslon between Goods Train and ment of 5 Up Ahmedabad Express Anuppur-Chirimiri Passenger Train and their baggage thrown out ten 3198. SHRI Y U V R A J: W ill the M in minutes before the departure time ister of RAILWAYS be pleased to of the train in order to get the com state: partment vacated; ‘ (a) whether on 26th June, 1977, a (b) if so, the number of persons goods train collided with Anuppur- injured and the nature of their Chirimiri Passenger train on Bilas- injuries; and pur-Kamji Section of South Eastern Railw ay; (c) what action has been taken against the railway staff and the (b) if so, the number of persons policemen responsible for this high killed and injured as a result there handedness? of; THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (c) the causes of the accident; (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): and ^a) Yes. (d) compensation paid to the (b) 6 persons sustained minor in victims? juries including 3 GRP personnel. I l l Written Answers JULY 12, 1977 Written Answers 112 (c) No action has been taken against any railwav staff as none was found tc have acted in a iugh handed man ^ WJTIWT ^ Jpt SITIJT if ner in this incident. However, S.O. ftr ?T5r 3?rft 55T GRP, one Hd. Constable and 4 Cons tables are reported to have been sus ^ t ? pended on the same date. ^ iWt (sfto : ( ^ ) ^ »R *TOT Shitttny of Western BaOway Head- ^ >a ?Tcf*TnT qnariieiB to Dahod # 0 450 % 3 ?rd 3200. SHRI SOM JIBH AI DAM O R: 5?T ^ ^ sHF^ ^ % Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be 1965-66 % frirW ^phrtr *r pleased to state: vnfv^T «TT I (a) whether there is any proposal ( ^ ) »nf with the Government to shift the Headquarters of Western Railway 5TT»TCN from Bombay to Dahod as Dahod is centrally situated in Western Rail w ay; and 1.98 W^T ^ f^WT '^Q'l «rr I (b) if so, when the proposal will be materialised? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS ( ^ ) 5T5RTT^ % 196 5— (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): 66 % ^ ^rfiT^ wtk sfr 4 TT H Rm I cV % • i ^ I 3201. q fa O TT Cs f^rf^ n 5rFTTf^ ^ f r 2^ ^ ^ f:Tr ^ : €t ?nT;^ 7Tr»rar t ( ^ ( ^ ) SPT 1965-66 it sfV I ^ 3 R r 1 9 6 8 ftjRT ?T?fr?irT f%^r sftr % firm ^ «it ; TRT fen *mn % ^3T?rrf 196 9 ^ f^^rr (« ) ^ ^ »T^T5TT « R g ? rf^ ^ fsrtmr f*rf ( ^ ) ^ Jr ^ cT«Tt »n ^ Sorv^ for Railway Une from Kham- gaon ChlkhU to Jalna (I>istiict ^ I ^snrftr tfjt Buldana) ^ pp ^ f s m f % ?THinT 5TT»Trl 3203. SHRI D. G. G A W A I: WUl the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to *mr ^ tjT 'mr state; ^ 5?PT I (ai) whether a survey had been conducted and work was begun on the railway line from Khamgaon Census of Road and RaU Traffic at Chikhli to Jalna (district Buldana) Unnuumed Level CroMdnfs in Maharashtra in 1929; 3202. SHRI G. M. BA N A T WA LLA : (b) whether earth had been laid Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be up to 30-40 miles and metal had also pleased to state: been brought for the construction of the railway line, if so, the cost there (a) when did the Railways last of; and undertake the census of road and rail traffic at unmanned level cros (c) the reasons for which the work sings; on the railway line had been sus pended? (b) how many unmanned level crossings were found to be in need of manning as per the censusj THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (c) how many such unmanned (a) to (c). A survey for Khamgaon- crossings were provided with proper Chikhli-Jalna line was carried out :n manning; and 1900 and earthwork for the same was also taken up as famine relief mea (d) what is the position with res sure. The work was subsequently pect to the others? abandoned. Several surveys for the line have been carried out since th^n. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS the last one being for Khamsaon- (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): Cnikhli section of the line in 1933-34. (a) It is a continuous process and the The project was sanctioned but was census at each unmanned level cros apain abondoned in 1935 on account sing is conducted once in five years, of its unremunerative character. the dates varying from level cross ing to level crossing. (b) Does not arise. Drilling In Jwalamukhi in Himachal Pradesh (c) Di’ring the past five years from 1971-72 to 1975-76. 234 unmanned le 3204. SHRI DURGA CHAND; W ill vel crossing were converted into the Minister of PETROLEUM AND manned level crossings. CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (d) For level crossings where, as a result of census, manning is found (a) whether drilling work is going necessary action is being taken by on in Jwalamukhi in Himachal the Zonal Railways to man the same Pradesh; and on a programmed ^basis, in c«nsiilt.a- tion witii the State* (36wmments con ^b) if so, what is the outcome of cerned. the w ork so Jar d o n e ? ...... r-. \ w.v • 115 Written Answers JULY 12, 1977 Written Answers ll6 THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, behalf of the Minister, not to dis CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS lodge the ad-hoc incumbent. On fln- (SH RI H. N. B A H U G U N A ): (a) r.nd alisation of another panel of Station. (b). Yes, Sir. The well at Jwalamu- Superintendents in A pril 1977, a n o khi has been drilled upto the project ther empanelled person was posted ed depth of 1000 metres. S^'^ps have replacing the person who had been been taken for production tesfing and continuing on ad-hoc basis from 1974 results can be expected only after the but this posting order could not be production testing is over. implemented as the latter got a stay order from the court of Munsif, Alla habad. The stay order was contested Court Injunction order obtained by by the Administration but the court Station Superintendent, Allahabad hss restrained the Administration r from reducing the particular indivi 3205. SHRI JA G D A M B I PR A SA D dual in rank, grade and scale of the YADAV: Will the Minister of RAIL present post till disposal of the suit. WAYS be pleased to state; The suit fi’ed by him is being contest ed and the Railway Administration is (a) whether it has been brought making every effort to get the injunc to the notice of the Government that tion vacated. the posting of the present Station Superintendent at Allahabad was arranged under the influence of the Railway Station Porters’ Cooperative then Minister for Railways although Labour Contract Society Limited, there were other senior persons Allabalw d whose names were already on the panel; 3206. SHRI JAG D A M B I PRASAD (b) whether in order to ensure YADAV: Will the Minister of RAIL justice to other senior subordinates WAYS be pleased to state; whose names were already on the panel, orders were issued transfer- (a) the total membership and share ing the Station Superintendent from capital ef Railway Station Porters’ Cooperative Labour Contract Society that post; Limited, Allahabad; (c) whether the Station Superin tendent has obtained injunction order (b) whether the Society consists of from the Court; and “actual workers” employed for per forming parcels and goods handling (d) if so, what action Government works allotted t° them by the Eastern propose to take in the matter to get and Northern Railways; the temporary injunction vacated by the Court at Allahabad. (c) the details of profits earned by the Society during the last three years; and THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE>: (d) if so. whether profits made by (a) to (d). The present incumbent the Society were distributed a m o n g s t of the post of Station Superintendent, the workers? Allahabad, was promoted in Novem ber, 1974 on ad-h oc basis till replace m ent b y a d u l y selected person. After THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS selection, an empanelled per’On ivas (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): posted in March 1976 but he proceed ed On leave. Meanwhile, instructions (a) Total membership 354 were received by the Railway Admi Share Capital nistration from the Special Assistant to the then Minister for Railways, on (b ) y«t. 1 17 Written Anawera ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers n g (c) and (d). The details of the pro (d) M/s. Railway Station Porters’ fits earned by the Cooperr\tive So Cooperative Labour Contract Society ciety and its distribution are not avail Limited, Allahabad, being a coopera able with the Railway Administration tive society of the porters working at as the Society is an autonomous ^ody Allahabad station, the decausuaUsation whof.e control rests with th«* Coope scheme was not extended to this sta rative Department of the States con tion, cerned. (e) The question of introducing the decasualisation scheme at thil Goods/Parcels Handling: Contracts station is under consideration. Awarded to Laboar Cooperative Societies on Northern Railway 3207. SHRI JAG D AM BI PR A SA D YADAV: Will the Minister of RAIL Extension of Ujjain-Guna Passenger WAYS be pleased to state: Train (a) the details of Goods/Parcels 220S. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- handling contracts awarded to DIA: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS Labour Co-operative Societies on the be pleased to state; Northern Railway together with ave (a) whether Government have a , rage monthly payment made to in proposal to extend Ujjain-Guna pas dividual society for each separate senger train upto Bina and upto contract during last three years; Nagda as a fast train; and (b) whether licensed porters con (b) if so, the time expected to be tracts have been awarded to Co-ope taken in its implementation? rative Societies or Contractors on the Northern Railway; THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (c) if so, the details thereof; (a) No. (d) wliether it is a fact that action (b) Does not arise. 3f the Northern Railway to allot and/ Or to extend licensed porters contracts was/is against the ‘decasualization scheme’; and Bxpress train from Dellil to Indore (e) if so, what action is proposed 3209. SHRI M ADH AVRAO SCIN- to be taken in the matter to remedy DIA; Will the Minister of RAILWAYS the situation*) be pleased to state: (a) whether a proposal to introduce THE MINISTER OF RAILWA-YS an Express train from Delhi to Indore (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): via Bina-Guna and Maksi is under (a) A Statement is laid on the Table consideration of Government; and of the House [Placed in library. See No. LT-669/771. • (b) if so, when the train is expect ed to be introduced? (b) No, except at Allahabad Rail w ay Btation. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (c) The contract is held by M|s. (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): Tin ilway Station Porters Co-operative (a) No. Labour Contract Society Limited, Al lahabad. (b) Does not arise. H 9 Written Answers JULY 12, 1977 Written Answers 120 Cases of Divorce or Judicial Separa production. Government have con tion in Tis Hauri pourto, Delhi sidered the question of setting up of 32]0. DR. RAMJI SINGH: Will the taptive power plants at each of the T^inister of LAW, JUSTICE AND fertilizer units; and COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to state: (b) if so, the steps taken thereon? (a) how many cases regarding divorce or judicial separation which THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM were filed more than 5 years ago i.e. AND CHEMICALS AND FERTI before July, 1972, are pending dia- LIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): posal in Tis Hazari Courts of Delhi; (a) and (b). Some of the fertilizer units have been experiencing power (b) whether it is imperative to dis cuts/fluctuations/voltage dips/inter pose of these cases within six months ruptions on a recurring basis over the of their filing in the court; and past few years. Besides, affecting pro (c) whether old cases are lying in duction, power fluctuations/interrup the court, if so, what steps the Gov tions could also cause damage to plant ernment propose to take to expedite and equipment. In view of these con their disposal? siderations. some of the fertilizer units have already taken up the implemen THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS tation of captive power units and some TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS other units have proposed the settini? (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): (a) 14 up of captive pcwer units so as to cBse^. protect critical plant and equipment These are under active consideration. (b) No. Sir. However, n cases covcred by the Hindu Marriaga Act, 1955, as amended b y the Marriage Laws (Amendment) Act. 1076, and Import of Pipes f o r New Pipeline the Special Marriage Act, 19!>4, as amt nded by the Marriage Laws (Am Projects endment) Act, 1976, the Court is re quired to endeavour to onciude the ,'^212. SHRI S. R-. D A M A N I; Will trial V, ithin six months from tl'.f- date the Minister of PETROLEUM AND of service of the notice of the peti CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be tion On the respondent. pleased lo state: (c ) Som e old cases are pending in (a) the reason.s for importing large the Courts. It is prim arily fr-r the quantities of pipes for the new pipe High Court to take steps for expe line projects; diting disposal of these cases. The Delhi High Court has earmarked one (b) what is the cost of pipes being Additional District Judge wholly for imported for the Salaya-Viramgam- these cases. Besides, 11 Additional Koyali-Mathura pipeline project; a n d District Judges also deal with .such cases in addition to other work. (c) the details of efforts made to get supplies from indigenous sources? Setting op of Captive Power plants « 3211. SHRI S. R. D A M A N I: W ill THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM the Minister of PETROLEUM AND AND CHEMICALS AND FER'H- ClffiMJCALS AND ifmTILIZERS be LIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): pleaseS to state: (a) Only such pipes of specified quality and sizes, as are not manufactu^fl (a) whether in view of acute indlgmously, are being imported f® power shortages resulting in Ion of the hew pip^ine ph>}ects. 121 Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 122 (b) and (c). The cost of pipes being Dieselisation of Trains Running on imported for the Salaya-Viramgam- Mangalore-Trlvandrum Section Koyali ieclion of the crude oil pipeline proieci is about Rs. 14.17 crores. 3214. SHRI V A YA LA R R A V I; Will the M.nister of RAILWAYS be pleased The Kourkela Steel Plant is the only to stale; manufaclurer of pipes of API quality (a) whether Government are aware required for the pipeline project of the heavy rush of passengers in Supply of nearly 13,200 MTs of 18" the Mangalore-Trlvandrum section di.in.c ;er pipes for Ihe Viramgam- of Southern Railway; Section has been made by Hin- cJus'nn Steel Plant (HSL). Orders have (b) whether Government propose bcpn i;;!;ired with HSL for 87,000 MT to dieselise the trains in this section o f 24” pipes for the Viramgam-Mathu- and include more compartments; ra Section. The delivery has to be conplctod by March 1979. If HSL is (c) if so. the details thereof; a n i not able to keep up’to this delivery (d) other steps Government pra- schedule, certain quantity of pipes will pose to take to increase the conveni be required to be imported for this ence of passengers there? Scction also. This will be decided in consultation with HSL. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF, MADHU DANDAVATE); (a) An analysis of occupation of 29/30 Mangalore-Trivandrum Malabar Ex Oil Exploration in Jaiselmer Area press and 47/48 Cannanore-Trivan- drum Express has shown that these •X213. SHRI S. R. DAMAN!; Will trains are overcrowded on certain the Minister of PETROLEUM AND sections. CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: (b) No. (a) whether it is a fact that Gov (c) Does not arise. ernment has decided to stop oil ex (d) Arrangements are being made to ploration work in the Jaiselmer area; augment the loads of 29/30 Malabar Express and 47/48 Cannanore-Tri^ri- (b) if so, the reasons thereof; and drum Express by two and one second class coaches respectively. (c) if not, the results of the work carried on so far and the prospects of finding oil in the region capable of commercial exploitation? THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM a n d CHEl^ICALS AND FERTI 3 21 5. x m ^ : f*rr ^ LIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) No, Sir. (b) Does not arise. ( t ) if w (c) Except for a small gas find at Manhera Tibba, which was not of commercial significance, no hydrocar bons have So far been found in Rajas than. Drilling there is being tempora ( ^ ) ^ ^ Pnrrc rily suspehdW for reinterpfetation of the available data, on which would dep^a thfe future course of action. ^ I 123 Written Answera JULY 12, 1977 Written Anawera 124 (»r) m ip ff VT w i m (b) if so, whether this scheme has been implemented at all railway sta T n f «n ft T?T t ? tions over Northern Railway and other Zonal Railways; and ^ (sfto »T«r ; ( v ) (c) the details of stations over Nor fre % ^ 'i'kK f^T^- thern Railway and other Zonal Rail f?TftRT ?nft »rnTR-«rr<'^ «t1t - ways where this scheme has not been implemented so far with reasons vhsnmff % W5fer»r ^ ^ :- therefor? ( l ) ^ ?TT5 ?r THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) Yes. '( 2 ) TrsTfTT ^ 5nTT I (b) and (c). Yes, except at Allaha bad Jn. station on the Northern Rail ^ 3) ^ ^ way, where a Cooperative Society of the porters, M/s. Railway Station Por m v ^ I ters’ Cooperative Labour Contract Society Limited, Allahabad, is func ( 4) r^^sina ^ vftCTTlm^ 5T^ tioning. The question of introducing ^ W [ ^ I decasualisation scheme at this station is under consideration of the Railway ( 5 ) T^nr % wt^«»isi ^ Administration. jfifr I ( 6 ) ^ ?rrT?r I Congress M.L.As. appointed ns Hlfih Court Judges (^ ) f^Tirm-^fTfTTR^ 321,'!. SIIRI 0:vl PRAKASH TYAGI: ITPT % frrrfw % Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE ^r im r^ ^ =^r 1 1 ?r ^ AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased 10 ?rrf?ff % ^ ^ 5T^ ^ % ^ qR jfT 1 1 (a) the names of present High Court Judgos who at any time before their appointment a* judges were . (*t) f?T?TiTiTjr?^'p:-»nf33T^i^ Congress ML.As.; VFTH 'Tfc^ ^ ?Tf^ ij (b) the yf .'irs in which and the % %TT ^r 1 1 name of tho State of which each of them was M.L.A.; and Decision to introduce decasualisation (c) the date of appointment of each Scheme of them as a High Court Judge and m the name of the High Court of wliich 3210. SHRI JAG DAM BI- PKASAD the appointment was made? YADAV; Will the Minister of RAII^ WAYS be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (a) whether a decision was t^l^en SHANTI BHUSHAN); (a) to (c). The by the Railway Board to introduce information is not readily available decasualisation scheme for licensed with Government. In view of the posi porteri at stations over Indian Rail- tion given to judges of the High Courts "ways; in the constitution and of the policy 125 Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 126 ■of the Government to maintain the («r) cTsmft % fTTiT aprr I ? dignity of their office, Government do not consider that any useful purpose will, be served in collecting such in- lormation. ^ (sfto »ro ( ^ ) yr^yrd f^irnr % ^ ^ 5rr# % 5r *p«ft Tttft JTTf^'f jfft 3rT5r- 3 2 1 9 . y m r (^) 5fV ^ I ^ JT’# ^ f»TT ^ Of ^ ( it) ^?ft ^ f?:q>j sTFfT^ft ir ipt ?reiTT I w h: T?r f ^ - | i fiirT ^ «srn% % f^RKrahr (^) WTTErsrf^qT^f^Vtfgfim 5lRPTT?ft % ?TT«T >Tf5^ «T'St»T ?tM^!TJT 15 ^"V 5q^?«n % ^T?^gr JPTT^ (JITo 5TO i ¥ ^ ) : % 5r;i?rn: q ^ I m t ^ 1 1 i>riT?T^ q r h i r ? ! W t 2 . 5 ?rrer ^prt ^ t | 1 1 vTT’^ %'f qr ^ % 'Tflft 5Ft ?mt fT f^ q t w Demand by O&NGC Staff Association for probe into excesses during % T 5 ^ mWFTOTT Emergency ir % f t »t 6- 5n Tfr | i ;i:’21. SHRI RAMANAND TIWARY: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased stale; (a) wliether Government have been 3 2 2 0 . >sfryfi«T : ^iri urged by the Oil and Natural Gas ^ if^'T q-? FTT ^ ; Commission Staff Association to probe into the excesses committed during emergency; and ( t ) w fTTirMr (^ra, ^/r, w r r f t ^ (b) if so, the reaction of Govern- ^T(% ^TrrfiT^T ^ qiJT ST'SriT rl^TPT % mt.-nt therto? ^r Articles sold by Rmwkers in Trains ( ^ ) ’TP? ?T, rft 1 r" ivhether surprise checks are ( j i ) ^ conducted by the railway authorities to see that unhygienic articles are not t ?TF'!Trf 'TpfV sold; and< p> (3 ) if so, how many persons h&ve % 'TFft % ^JTT^ ^ been prosecuted for selling such ^ ^ 5TRH I I articles? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (q-) ^ ^ 3 7 3 7 (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) q r 'TRt Yes. on certain routes. f (b) No. hawking in Irain.t: is not perm itted. (c) Yes, .-surprise checks are conduct EI«ctrlflcati(Ri of Adra-Kharagpar line ed to stop unauthorised hawking on (South Eastern Railway) the trains. 3224. DR. BU O Y M O N DAL; V/iM fd) During the year 1976-77, 11,457 the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleas unauthorised hawkers selling various ed to slate: articles were prosecuted. (a) whether there is any proposal or project for electrification at the irtam SWWT ^ railway track between Adra and Kharagpur in the South-Eastern Railw ay; 3223. ^ (b) if so, by what time the work is likely to start and t^e likely time for completion of the work; and (^) ^ ij- ^ ^ 5^ (c) what are the reasons that this ^ T T ^ inft tTv track is left out so far in so far as the electrification of the railway track ^ ^ t ; is concerned? ( ^ ) ^ tr »TTfTJrf «TT THE MINISTER OF R AILW AYS qrfw^ff ^ t iftx (b) Does not arise. 129 Written Atutoer« ASADKA 21, (5AKA) Written Answers 130 (c) Traffic density on the Adra- (b) if so, whether this shortfall la Ktaaragpur section is too ^ to qualify the turnover has been due to short the section for electrificatioD, which is supply of raw material and strikes; cairital intensive. Therefore, the in vestment in the project is not consider (c) if so, steps being taken by ed financially justified. Government to help the company; (d) whether the company has plaiu to develop indigenous technology anid has applied for industrial licences; and Conversion of Banknra and Rai Nagar Line into Broad Gauge Line (South (e) if so, whether Government have Eastern Railway) considered their application for issu ing the licences? •^225, DR BUOY MONDAL: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleas ed to s'ate; THE m i n i s t e r OF PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS a n d FERTILIZERS (a) whether any decision is being (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) Yes, taken or likely to be taken in connec Sir. tion with the conversion of the narrow gauge railway line between Bankura (b) The short-fall in turnover was and Rai Nagar in the South-Eastern caused by Bulk Tank Lorry Operators Railway; and Strike during the later part of May, 1977 which resulted in ultimate short fall in production. (b) whether there is a proposal for extension of the rail line from Rai Nagar to Tarkeshwar in Eastern Rail (c) The Company’s application for way at the time of the conversion as Import of Capital Goods for stabilising referred to in part (a) above? production has been cleared by the Capital Goods Committee. THF, MINISTER OF RAILW AYS (PROF MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) (d) and (e). The Company has plans :>n(i (1)), It is not possible to take Arrest of Presiding Officer in Punjab Short Supply of Raw Material to 3227. SHRI K. L A K K A P P A : National Organic Chemical Industries DR. HENRI AUSTIN: Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE 3226. SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Will AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased the Minister of PETROLEUM AND to state; CHEMICALS a n d FERTILIZERS be pleased to slate: (a) whether it has been reported in the press that one Presiding Officer in (a) whether National Organic the recent elections to Punjab Assem Chemical Industries have pointed out bly was arrested on the ground that that during the first five months of 50 ballot papers were recovered from 1977 the company's turnover has been him; about Rs. 23.25 crores as com pared te Rs. 24.53 crores in the same period (b) whether any enquiry has been last year; " conducted into the matter; 1459 L.S.--5. Written Answers 131 JULY 12. 1977 Written Answers 132 (c) If so, how many other persons (iU) Supply of bulk drugs to the were found involved in the matter; non-aasociated formulators. an (c) the total number of recommen dations that have not been accepted by Government? Cases pending in High Courts THE m i n i s t e r OF PETROLEUM, 3229. SHRI K. L A K K A P P A : AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILI ZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) SHRI ISHWAR CHOUDHARY: to (c). No final decision on all the recommendations of the Hathi Com Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be plei^sed mittee Report have been taken, but Government have already accepted to state the total number of cases and are implementing some of the pending in the High Courts State-wise as on 1st June, 1977? recommendations made by the Com mittee. These are indicated below:— THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY . AFFAIRS (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): The informa (i) Assigning a leadership role to tion as on 1-6-1977 is not available. A the public sector; Statement giving the number of cases pending in the High Courts on 31-12 (ii) Encouragement to the Indian 1976 is placed on the Table of the ' sector; House. 133 Written Answers A SA D H A 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 134 Statement Cases pending In High Courts Name of the High Court No. o f case* pending as on 31- 12-76 1 Allahabad High Couat . . I,20 y022 2 Andhra Pradesh High Court 14.390 3 Bombay High Court . . 50,099 4 Calcutta Hign Court . 76,866 5 Delhi High Court . . 22.908 6 Gauhati High Court . . 6,190 7 Gujarat High Court . 12,289 8 Himachal Pradesh High Court 4.415 9 Jammu & Kashimir High Court 3.846 10 Karnataka High Court . 11 Kerala High Court . 43.130 12 Medhya Prudesh High Court 42,723 13 Madras High Court . . 42,078 14 Orissa High Court . 5.964 15 Patna High Court . , 30,832 16 Punjab & Haryana H gh Court 43-542 17 Rajasthan H gh Court . . 20,254 18 Sikkim High Court . . 32 Payment of Arrears of Pay Fixation of THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS Senior and Head Signallers of Delhi (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE); (a) Division (Northern Railway) to (c). The scale of Rs. 330— 480 allot ted w.e.f. 1-1-1973 to Senior Signallersf 3230. SHRI CHATURBHUJ; WiU Head Signallers was improved to the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased Rs. 330-560 in August, 1976 as a result to state: of the Government’s decisions on the (a) whether arrears of pay on ac recommendations of the Anomalies count of pay fixation of Senior Sig Committee. This involved a fresh option to be exercised by the em nallers and Head Signallers working in Telegraph Office of Delhi Division ployees refixation of their pay and working out the arrears in pay retros in the Northern Railway have still not pectively for a period of four years, been paid to the employees although which is a time-consuming process. their pay fixation was done long ago; However, payment has already been (b) if so, the reasons for this abnor made to 130 out of 172 employees, and mal delay; and for the remaining 42 employees, pay (c) when the arrears are likely to ment is likely to be made by the end be cleared off? of this month. i>5 W ritten A w P fs JULY 12, 1977 W ritten An8w«r$ 136 Theft or CM! at SiOohiir Estimate for Stndri RatlonallMttQn * 3231. a i R I P. R A JA G O PAL NAIDU: 32.^3. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU: Will the Minister ot RAILWAYS be Will the Minister of PETROLEUM pleased to state: AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be (leased to state: (a) whether it is a ft>ct that a huge (a) the original estimate for Sindri quantity of coal is being stolen at rationalisation; Aaichur; and (b) whether the estimate has since (b) if so, the steps taken to prevent keen increased; and the theft in future? (c) if so, by how much? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM and (b). There has been no report of AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA); (a) to (O. theft of coal from the loco shed nor is The Sindri Rationalisation Project ori there any report of any thefts or short ginally approved in 1967 at an estimat ages from the ground stock. Destina ed cost of Rs. 22.96 crores is presently tion station;; have also not reported estimated to cost Rs. 45.03 crores. any shortage of coal delivered to them. However, there have been petty cases Employment of Local Staff in LP.C.L. of coal theft from the cinder droppings and O & NOG in Gujarat and raw coal droppings from the tracks. The Railway Protection Force :<2;j4. PROF, p. G. MAVALANKAR: have taken energetic measures to Will the Mmister of PETROLEUM even this leakage. AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to .state: (a) whether employment opportu. nities exist for local candidates at the Revision of Electoral Rolls in Andhra Refinery, Indian Petro-Chemicals Pradesh Limited and Oil and Natural Gas Commission Units in Gujarat; ;?232. SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAiDU: Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE ( b ) i f S 3 , facts thereof; AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased (c) whether recruitment for all to state; such posts is carried out from out side Gujarat by passing the legitimate (a) whether electoral rolls in claims of the ‘sons of the soil’ for Andhra Pradesh are being revised; employment, particularly at the non and technical and lower administrative, clerical and other levels in the above (b) when the revision will be public sector units in Gujarat; and com pleted? (d) if so, the urgent remedial steps Government propose to take to im THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUSTICE prove the situation? AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM SHa NTI BHUSHAN); (a) Yes. Sir. AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (b) The revision wUl be completed (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) Yes, by 30-9-1977. Sir. 137 Written Aruuftrs ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Aruwera 13$ (b) The existing instructions relating 1979-80, subject to the availability of to the recruitment to posts carrying a adequate funds:— pay scale of less than Rs. 500 per month through local Employment Ex Sections Route Kms. changes are being followed by these undertakings in Gujarat. I. Waltair-Kirsndul 471 (c) No. Sir. 2- Madras— Vijayi-wsda 424 (d) Does not arise. 3. Mcdras—Trivelloie 42 Proposal to speed up Sabarmatl During the current year, however, no Express section on Indian Railways is expected to be brought under electric traction. 3235. PROF. P. G. M AVALAN K AR: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state; Futile efforts for drilling Weils by O&NGC (a) whether GovCTftment propose 3237. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: to speed up the .Sabarmati Express Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND from Ahmedabad to Varanasi; and CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state; (b) if so, how and when? (a) whether efforts on drilling of a THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS number of off-shore oil wells by Oil (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) and Natural Gas Commission in the and (b). There is no proposal at recent past have proved futile; and present to speed up 165/166 Ahmeda- (b) if so, total expenditure involved bad-Faizabad/Varanasi Sabarmati Ex on drilling of such wells? press. THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM Electriflcation of Railway Network AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) Out of a total of 24 wells drilled by the 32:<6. SHRl M. RAMGOPAL REDDY : ONGC during 1976-77, 13 proved to be Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be hydrocarbons bearing. 7 wells were pleased lo state; found to be dry and 4 wells had to be abandoned due to technical difficultiea (a) whether there is any proposal encountered during drilling and cyclonic with the Government to have the elec weather. trifications of the railway network in the country; and (b) The total cost on the dry and abandoned wells has been approximate* (U)if so, the details thereof and ly Rs. 22.65 crores. number of tracks to be electrified dur ing this year? Train Accident between Nalli and Kovilpatti THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS 3238. DR. HENRY AUSTIN; (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN-. Yes. Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (b) Electriflcation works on the fol pleased to state; lowing sections, totalling 947 route kms., are in progress and the same is (a) whether a goods train accident . expected to be completed in stages by occurred on 12th June, 1977 between 139 Written Aimi>er* JXJLY la. 1977 Written Annoert 140 Nalll and Kovilpatti stations on Sou THE MINISTER OP LAW, JUSTICE thern Railway: AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN); (a) The position (b) if so, whether any death was is that an injection of books of ac also reported; counts etc. of the company under sec (c) total goods lost in the accident; tion 209A of the Companies Act, 1956 and ' ‘ revealed various irregularities and acts of mismanagement; (d) whether it was tT)e 15th accident tn the Southern Division of the Rail (b) The details of irregularities which ways during the last three months? have come to the notice of the Com pany Law Board are given in a state THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS ment laid on the Table of the House. (Placed in Library. See No. LT-670/ (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) 77.] Yes. (b) No. (c) The Company Law Board consi dered the matter for action under (c) The cos* of damage to goods has section 408 of the Companies Act, 1956 been assessed at approximately Rs. and a notice has been issued asking 5.000/-. the company lo show cause why Gov ernment Directors* should not be ap (d) No. pointed on the Board of the company. On receipt of the company’s reply fur ther necessary action will be taken by Affairs of Swadeshi Cotton Mills Co. the Company Law Board. There is Ltd. no provision for ‘take-over’ under the Companies Act, 1956. 3239. DR. B. N. SINGH: Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to Extension of Railway Line from state; Jammu to Udhampnr (a) whether it I'.as been discovered 3240, DR. KARAN SINGH; Will the by Company Law Board that the Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: affairs of Swadeshi Cotton Mills Co. Ltd., Kanpur who have Mills at Kan (a) whether the detailed survey of pur, Naini, Rae Bareilly, Maimath- extending the railway line from bhanjan, Pondicherry and Udaipur are Jammu to Udhampur be complet neither being managed in accordance ed during the current Plan period; and with sound business principles or pru dent commercial practices nor in the fb) whether in view of the impor interest of shareholders or the workers; tance of Udhampur as the headguar^ ters of the Noithern Army Conunand. (b) if so, the details of irregulari railway line will be extended there in ties which have come to the notice of the course of the Sixth Plan? the Board; and (c) the action which Government THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS propose to take against the manage (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) ment of the Company in pursuance of Final Location Survey has been in the provisions of the Companies Act, cluded in the Budget for 1977-78 and 1956 to set matters right and protect is expected to be completed in about the interests of the members of the two years. C om pany inter alia take over and or (b) No decision has been taken so appoint Government Directors on the far about the schemes to be included Board ot the Camptny? in the Sixth Five Year Plan. 141 Written Answers AS'ADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 1 4 2 Loss In Zonal Bailwayg THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROP. MADHU DANDAVATB): 3241. SH RI D. D. D ESAI: WiU the (a) Yes, Sir. Minister of RAILWAYS be pleased tb state; (b) The details of surpluses are not worked out monthly but at the close (a) whether some of the zonal Rail of the year’s account. ways are running at a loss; The accounts for the year 1976-77 (b) if so, the details of the eamlnfs are yet to be closed finally. How* and surpluses during the last 6 ever, on the basis of the data avail months zone-wise; and able, the figures of the earnings and the surpluses/losses of the zonal (c) whether the additional invest Railways at the end of 1976-77, are ment by the Railways in each zone given in the stateni«nt enclosed. has any relation with the surpluses generated in that zone? (c) No, Sir. STATEMENT Approximate Earnings and SurplusesjLossa of Zonal Railways during (Rupees/Crores) Surpluses ( + ) Units Earnings Losses (—) (I) C ; a r r a l ...... 319 59 - t 68 19 (2) Eastern , . . 246■84 — 29 22 (3) Northern . , . . 3130 3 — 14 98 (4) North Eastern' , . 8 2 75 — 27 30 (5) Northeast Frontier . . 62 64 — 19 82 (6) Southern . 165 07 — 38 76 (7) South Central 179-32 -4-19-19 CS) South Eastern'^ . . . 365-51 + 73-75 (9) Western . . . 294-77 - 3 6 - 5 7 Total Indian Railways . 2029 52 -- 97 -58 (10) Dividend payable by the Production, Units, and expenditure of the Railway Board etc. . Nil — 21 15 (II) Total Surplus for Indian Railways, Production Units etc...... + 76-43 Leadership role to the Public Sector bha on the 14th June, 1977 “ G overn in Drug Industry . ment will give a leadership role to the public sector in the drug indus 3242. SHRI C. K. CH AN DRAPPAN : try”, what concrete steps the Gov Will the Minister of PETROLEUM ernment have taken for the imple & CHEMICALS & FEllTILIZERS bo mentation of the expansion program pleased to state; me of drug industry in public sector i.e. expansion programme of IDPL, (a) in view of the fact that the Gov Hindustan Antibiotics and others; ernment have assured in the Lok Sa- and I 143 Written A n n o e r s July 12, 1797 Written Antwn-g (b) wtet we the other steps so far penicillin, str^ 6mycih, semi- taken by Government ^ the imple synthstlc poiicllUn, Gentamy- mentation of the Hathi Committee re- cin and Rilampicin. commendationgy (b) The Report of tha Committee on THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. Drugs and Pharmaceuticals In (ii) Establishment of a Nicotjna- Will the Minister of PETROLEUM & mide Plant in Bihar involv CHEMICALS & FERTILIZERS be ing an estimate -1 capital cut- pleased to state: lay of Rs. 8.58 crores. (iii) Establishment of a New Formu (a) whether the attention of Gov lation Unit in Gurgaon, ernment has been drawn to the fact Haryana, at an estimated that the index number of drug pri capital outlay of Rs. 6.93 ces have shown 34 per cent rise in crores. the last six years despite statutory (iv) Expansion if the Antibiotics control over drug prices; Plant. Rishikesh involving an investment of Rs. 15.31 crores. (b) if so, the reasons for this enor mous price rise; and (v) Inverstment to the extent of Rs. 32.64 lakhs in a company to be set up by the Pradesiya (c) what are the steps taken so Industrial Investment Corpora far and proposed to be taken by Gov tion of Uttar Pradesh for the ernment to bring down prices of drugs manufacture of drug formula to reasonable limits? tion. THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. (vi) Investment o f Rs. 89.17 lakhs CHEMICALS ANO FERTILIZERS in a company to be set up by (SHRI H. N. BAHUGf/r^A); (a) and the Punjab States Industrial (b). The prices of drugs are statutorily Development Corporation for controlled under the provisions cf the manufacture of Dextrose, Drugs (Prices Control) Order, 1970. Starch, glucose etc. The order provides for a mechanism (vii) The expansion of Hindustan for revision in prices of drugs. The , Antibiotics Ltd. involving Index No. of whohsal? prices of drugs capital outlav of Rs. 10.14 and medicines during the year 1976-77 crores for the manufacture of was 133.9 as agairat 118.7 during the 45 WriUtn A M vitn ASADHA 21, 1899 {SAKA) Wrtitteti Ansvaer, year 1975-76. (with 100 as the base from 12i per cent to 2i per cent with for the year 1970-71). eflfect from 10th May, 1977:— DuVing the year . 1976-77, excise 1. Chloroquin Phosi*ate duty on patent or proprietory medi 2. Amodiaquin cines was raised by Government from 3. Clofazimine 74 per cent to 12J per cent. Similarly, excise duty on medicinal preparations 4. Tolbutamide containing alcohol, narcotic drugs and 5. Metronidazole narcotics was also raise 1 from 10 per 6. Diethyl Carbamazine Citrate cent to 20 per cent. The customs duty on the imports of Intermediates and 7. Piperazine aiid its Halts finished bulk drugs was also raised 8. Rifampicin from 27.5 per cent to 75 per cent ad 9. Tetracycline Hydrochloride. ualorer/n' In addition, prices of certain bulk drugs were increased based on Reduction of e.xcise duty will have the cost examinalion conducted by the Bureau of Industrial Costs and Prires. an effect towards reducing the pi ices of formulations and the benefit will be The main reason for the increase in passed on to the consumers as soon as prices, however, was d n to increase in the revised excise duty is levied cn the tariffs as indicated above. new batches ■-•leare-i by the excise authorities. Ministry of Finance havs (c) Prices of certain bulk drugs im also constituted Indirect Taxation ported by State Chemicals Ph.ir- Inquiry Committee which is looking maceutical Corpoiatioi of India 1 tri. info the indirect taxes cn all the com as well as those pro-.iuced m the country modities including mcdicines. were also reduced during 1976-77. A statement showing such redudion in The Committee on Drugs & Phsr- prices is attached. Benefit of reduction maceutical Industry (Hathi Committee) in prices of formulations on this ac in their report have made several count is passed on to the consumers. recommendations in regard tr, ihe Government have also reduced excise rationalisation tf prices of drugs. d u ty on patent or proprietory medici These recommendations are in the nes containing the following bulk drugs final stages of conJideratic.*:. Statement Production in prices of Bulk Drug (Rs./kg.' S.No. Name of the Drug Earlier Present prices prices 1. Ampicillin Anhydrous ■ 1952* 76 1540-00 (from i-S -yer 2. Ampicillin Sodium • 2I 2I "55 1300-00 (from 1- 8- 76) 3. Ampicillin Trihydrate ■ 1427-65 I2I3-05 (from 1- 8-76) 4. Chloramphenicol Powder 562*42 524-60 (from 1- 8-76) (Pooled Price) 5. Erythromycin stearate • 1481-50 1300-00 (from r-8-76) 6. Analgin (Pooled Prfce) 175-02 i 55‘ 30 (from 31-7-76) Written Answers JULY 12. 1977 W ritten Answers 148 147 • S Name o f the Drug Earlier Pitsent pricei prices 7- Phenobarbitonc Plain (Pooled Price) • 276MI 17 2 ’ 81 (from 31-7- 76) 8. Nercotine • • • • ■ • 4i 0'00 244-02 (from 24-7-76) 9. Xylocainc/Lignocaine • • • • 296'00 281 "00 (from 4-9-76) 10. Ox3ftetracycline • • * • • 950/1000 (i) 729-00 for captive use. (ii) 749-00 for sale to others. (from 8- 9- 76) II. Diloxanide Furcate ■ ■ • 666-67 450-00 (from 10-9-76) 12. Tartaric Acid • • 29-00 20-89 (from 10- 1-76) • • 650-00 (from 10-9-76) 13- Tetracycline Hcl. ’ 850-00 Multinational Corporations and Sub^- (b) and (c). A selective Policy in diaries Manufactorins Drugs regard to licensing for the manufacture of drugs is being foll.iwod in respect of 3244. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: foreign drug firms operating in tbia Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND country. Apart from this, they are CHEMICALS AND FERTII.IZERS be also governed by the regulatory provi pleased to state; sions contained Ir the various onpct- ments such as the Foreign Exchange (a) the names of the multinational Regulation Act, 1!)73, the Capital corporations and their subsidiaries Issues (Control) Act. 1949, the ■working in India in different fields of Industries (D & R) Act, 1951, the drug industry showing their total in monopolies & Restrictive Trade Prac vestment and profit they made during tices Act, 1969, the Companies Act, 1956 the last three years; and the other applicable legislations. These enactments ensure that the (b) whether Government imposed foreign Companies operate within the any restrictions on them in regard to ambit of national priorities. their manufacture trading and pric ing; and As regards pricing, the provisions of DPCO, 1970. also apply to foreign drug (c) if so, the facts thereof? manufacturing firms. THE MINISTER OF PETROl.EUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS Oil Exploration in Orissa Coast .SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA)- (a) A statement furnishing the names of the 3245. SHRI S. KUNDU: W ill the Minister of PETROLEUM AND foreign drug mani'facturing firms/ subsidiaries has/'ing foreipn ecniity CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: above 40 per cent thrir total invest ment and profits made by them during the last three years is laid on the Tnble (a) whether there is any indication of the House. [Placed in Library- of availability of Oil in the Orissa ■No. LT-(ni/77]. coast; 149 Written Answers AS'ADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 150 (b) if so, whether any exploratory As regards the proposed road over measures were undertaken; and bridge at Cuttack in replacement of the I existing level crossing at km 408/2-3, (c) whether there is any scheme detailed plans, design and estimate of to exploit such underground reserves the State Government’s portion of the in the Orissa coast? work, are still awaited from them. Subject to the availability of funds, the THE MINISTER OF PEIROLEUM, proposal will be considered for inclu CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS sion in the Railway’s future Works Programmes, after the necessary preli {SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) to (c). minaries (preparation of drawings, de Seismic surveys done for oil explora tion on land in the Orissa coast have sings, estimates and their mutual not shown the presence of any sizeable acceptance by the State Government structure suitable for exploratory drill and the Railway) are completed. ing. After conducting detailed seismic Restriction on the Inter-State move surveys in the offshore area, adjoining ment of Fertilizers the Orissa-West Bengal coasts, 2 ex ploratory wells have been drilled in 3247. SHRI AHMED M. PATEL: which no hydro-carbons in commercial Will the Minister of PETROLEUM quantities were found. Further AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS seismic surveys have been proposed for be pleased to state: the Mahanadi offshore basin. (a) whether there is a restriction on the inter-state movement of fertili Construction of Overbridges near zers; Balasore and Cuttack Stations (b) whether there is a 8^ut of Ni trogenous Fertilizers with the manu 324G SHRI S. KUNDU: Will the facturers; and Mmisler of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: (c) whether Government are consi dering to lift the restrictions of inter (a) what steps have been taken to state movement of fertilizers? construct over-bridges near Balasore and Cuttack Railway stations in S.E. THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, Railway to relieve congestion of tra AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS ffic at the level crossing gates; and (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) when will the actual construc tion begin there? (b) The build up of stock with the manufacturers during? the period March to the middle of the June each THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS year is a seasonal phenomenon. The (PROF. MADHU DANDr\VATE): (a) stock of nitrogenous fertilizers with and (b). A proposal for the consti-uc- the manufacturers was 2.95 lakh tonnes tion of a road overbridge near of nitrogen on the 15th May, 1977 as Balasore, in replacement of the exist compared to the stock of 3.22 lakh ing level crossing on Remuna Road at tonnes of nitrogen as on the 15th May, km 230/6-7, has already been included 1976. The stock is only marginally in the Railway’s Works Programme for higher than the accepted critical level the current financial year. Estimate of stock (i.e. 30 days production) with for the work has been sent to the State the manufacturers. With the onset of Government of Orissa for acceptance. the monsoon and the sowing season, Construction of the road overbridge the stocks with the manufacturers are will be taken up after the estimate is expected to begin moving out and drop accepted by the State Government. to the planned level. r s i Wrtrten A im oen JULY 12. 1977 WtitUn Atitwart 152 (c) No, Sir. The restrictions on Inter-Stffte movement of fertilizers Im (v ) «rtr (*r). ^nqr posed under the Fertilizer Movement 'R W *THT t I [vvviviv Control Ordfer are intended to facilitate Tiw nm I tWi ffWT LT the drawin* up of a coordinated plan for th allocation of fertilizers—both 672/ 77 ] Indigenous and imported—to the State t^ovemments. The supply plan, which is drawn up in consultation with the Railways and the manufacturers, en sures the supply of the desired quanti fW N nr W ties of fertilizers to the State Govern W *FVTT ments in a manner which would not necessitate long haulages and cross movements. Thus, the framing of a 3 2 4 9 . «ft >nf q^T : coordinated plan facilitates movement f in ^ ir^'t JTf ^--iTT^ 5pt frqr of fertilizers on a ‘priority’ basis by : the railways and reduces expenditure on freight. ( ^ ) 'T f ? ^ % «nW^T*TT »T?T’^7:2nTfJrg?^3rT%^T?ft ?TT5?ff % ^ I V(\x af^ ^ 3248 . ^ ; ^ ^ fr»TT SF^it fjp : ( ^ ) 5 ? f t ^ SFt (^) 1977-78 % 2^: fen ; w\r t ? r t Sr % fNiifvr % *rar | (»t) f^n 3 ?t: ^ 5TSRT ^ I I T% % ^ if mnnt^TT sm^T ftr f ft, ( ® ^ f^nrf'*r +^ i- vTZT?rrft ^ vtT^n vtW ^ f e n 5t«tt i ?t t t fvcRT ^ f e n r t ? • *T?ft (wto ) : (jp ) ( n ) ^ ^ ^ ^ m v n r x v R v w ftn r ? if ^ ^ 5rr?H ^ ^ I f e ^ <<0 *TT ^ (sito : ^ ifV ^ ?nT^T ^ ^ «r?infg^ ^ VnNw if 9 3?Tft fnfl- % 3-5-74 2pT ftrSTT 55ff % ^n rW «PT STOTTS m fim jnn «n «f\r 5 ^: nfT w 11 t 5 f^nrt«r f e n *TOT t I ^ m ifw I f^RTT STf^TT^ 1977 78 % ftrqr »riTT «TT I (9T) SR?T ^ I X53 Wrmttn Anm en ASADHA 21, ,(^AKA) WriUen Anfwifrs 154 («r) f ^ ftirof ^[8m r ^ v r fi’ % % f;=r?fT5T % ^iT*r% «rr 1 «fVr irnr •fsrnrflr »T3nT5r T m ^ ^jsq- % jtht Percentage of increase in price of Petrol f5T?r^ 5f% ifTg^ ygYsTV (?rrP>r3ir), » t t 5 r ir «7C5if«F?r 3251. SHRI D. B. CHANDRE GOWD: WiU the Minister of PETRO 30-5-77 ^ ITT LEUM AND CHEMICALS & FERTI srF?Tf?iT t I TT^ trrwnr LIZERS be pleased to state; KTvmw^^ w t , f^rqJT Jr (a) whether the percentage of in qra' a’fft-err | i crease in the price of petrol made by Government is more than the percentage of increased price paid to Jm JTT^ «P> ?m r ^ the oil producing countries; ■JHHI (b) if so. whether Government propose to bring down the price cf 32 5 0. «ft : petrol; and ^qr ^ q-f g-fn^ ^ w^T (c) the time by which India is : likely to become self-sufficient in ( ^ ) ?ftw «T irsf irrft- ?fr ftiFT oil? ^ % frrr JT^T?nT fT THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, ^ ^ f^T I ; CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI H. N, BAHUGUNA): (a) No. ( g ) Ht^T^PT ^ Sir. cT?T ^»TT fT^TT SfTirin ; ?tVt (b) There is no proposal, at present, to reduce the price of petrol. ( jt) w t ?T>»rrT«T % ?n«r ^ 5 T ?3PT ?fiTT^ % ^ ^r JTtn (c) It is not possible to say at this stage, when the country would be self STFIT t srk JtI? eft JTf JTFT sufficient in crude oil production. ^ I ?fk??l'iTr»T^'tT^?TT%qT Every eflort is being made in that ^rnrnr ? direction. Offer of 20 per cent reduction in orices tw (sfto i v ^ ) : of Drurs by Drug Industry {■^) (sr) : 23, 24 3252. SHBIMATI PARVATHI KRI- SHNAJ^: .Will the Minister of PETRO VT«r ^ ^ STf prices of drugs if some of their the company has suffered a great loss demands are accepted by Govern due to short supply of raw material m ent; end by Government end power crisis in Tamil Nadu during the first five (b) if so, what are their demands months of the current year 1977; and Government’s reaction thereto? (b) if so, the reasons for short THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, supply of raw material by Govern CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS ment; and (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) No. Sir. (c) whether Government have given assurance of giving full quota (b) Does not arise. of raw material to the company dur ing the remaining months of the year? Proposal to set np a Drng Unit in West Bengal b; IDPL THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS 3253. SH RIM ATl PA R V A T H I K R I- (SHRI H. N. B A H U G U N A ): (a) No SHNAN: Will the Minister of report or complaint has been receiv PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS AND ed in Government that Thirumalai FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: Chemicals Ltd. has suffered a grcate loss due to short supply of raw (a) whether the proposed Scheme materials by Government and power of the Indian Drugs Pharmac«auticals crisis in Tamil Nadu during the first Ltd. to set up a Unit in West Bengal five months of the current year 1977. has been abandoned; (b) if so, the facts and reasons (b) and (c). Does not arise. therefor; (c) whether Government propose Appointment of Chairman of O&NGC to set up this Unit in some other States; and 3255. SHRI SAM AR GU H A: W ill (d) if so. the details thereof? the Minister of PETROLEUM, CHE MICALS AND FERTILIZERS be THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, pleased to state: CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS (SHRI H. N. B A H U G U N A ): (a) to (Q) whether the present Chairman (d). Indian Drugs & Pharmaceuticals of the O&NGC was connected with Lim ited (ID P L ) is preparing a feasi sugar industries in Andhra Pradesh; bility report on the scheme to set up (b) if so, the special qualifications a production unit in West Bengal. On for his appointment as the Chairman receipt of the Feasibility Report Gov of a highly technocratic organisation ernment will take a decision on the merits of the proposal and the avail like O&NGC; ability of financial resources. (c) number of occasions and the reasons for his official visits abroad Short supply of Raw material to the since he assumed his office and the Thimmalai Chemicals Company expenditure incurred thereon; 3254. SHRI R V. SW AM IN ATH AN : (d) number of occasions of his Will the Minister of PETROLEUM, visits to Hyderabad, his earlier centre CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS of sugar industry; be pleased to state: (e) whether visits to Hyderabad (a) Tifcether the Thirumalai Chemi were recorded as ‘official tours* or cals Company has mentioned that ‘on leave’: and I57 Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers iSS (f) expenditure incurred by the (c) Under the service contract signed I Chairman lor his c^cial tours inside on 22-8-1973, the ONGC was to render and outside the country since he specified technical, financial and com assumed the office? , mercial services to Iraq National Oil Company (INOC) tn respect of the ex ploration for, and the exploitation of THE MINISTER OF PETROI.EUM, petroleum in an area of 3175 Sq. Kms. CHEMICALS AND FERIILIZERS (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) 1.c (f). in Iraq, as well as the maketing ol the petroleum produced therefrom etc. Information is being collected and will In the event of commercial discovery be laid on the Table of the Sabha. and production, all cost would be re coverable from INOC, and the ONCJC would be remunDrated for its services O&NGC contract with Iran for Oil through its right to purchase certain Explor»tion specified quantities of crude oil pro duced from the area at a conressionul 3256. SHRI SAMAR G U fA : Will the “guaranted sale price.” Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS a n d FERTILIZERS be (d) Does not arise. pleased to state: Cases pending in Supreme Court and (a) whether attention of the Gov Hlffh CoortB ernment has been drawn to a report published in ‘Times of India’ on 7th April, 1977 to the elTect that O&NGC 3257. SHRI SAMAR GUHA Will the withdraws from an oil exploration Mini.ster of LAW . JUSTICE AND contract wjth Iraq after spending COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to rupees eight crores; state: (b) if so, the reasons for wasteful (a) number of cases pending with expenditure of such big amount; the Supreme Court and High Courts till 30th March, 1977 lor the last five (c) the nature of contract entered years; into with Iraq and the Indian agency (b) the reasons lor delay in ad responsible for such contract; and ministering justice in such pending (d) whether an inquiry will be cases; and instituted to examine the background of Indo-Iraq oil exploration contract (c) the policy of the Janata Gov ernment in regard to desirability ol in order to ascertain reasons lor fail ure of such contract? quick disposal of cases belore such courts? THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, THE MINISTER OF LAW JUSTICE CHEMICALS a n d FERTILIZERS AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) Yes, SHANTI BHUSHAN); (a) The infor Sir. mation in respect of cases pending with the High Courts as on 30-3-1977 is not (b) Exploration for oil anywhere is available. A Statement giving the a risky venture and without surveys number of cases pending to" more than drilling and testing it cannot be known 5 years in the Supreme Court on whether oil in commercially viable 1-4-1977 and High Courts on 31-12-1976 quantity is present or not; in this is placed on the table of the House. context it is not quite correct that any expenditure incurred in oil explo (b) Though 'several factors are ration has been wasteful. responsible for arrears in High Courts. 159 Written Answers JULY 12, 1977 Written Answers i6o a major reason is that a nuniber cf (b) if so, what is their policy on vacancies have not been flllecl up in the the issue of nationalisation of the High Courta in the last few years and entire industry in general and foreign judge stcengths flxcd need to t»e in controlled drug firms in particular; creased in many courts, especially and with increase in litigation. (c) Steps are being taken to filll up (c) what positive steps, if any, are the existing vacancies in the High being contemplated to bring down Courts. Where neces.?ar.v, the present prices of life-saving drugs which re strength of judges in the High Courts corded a sharp rise during the rule will be increased. of the previous Central Government? Statement THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, Cases CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS pending Nam e o f the Court for more (SHRI H. N BAHUGUNA); (a) and than five (b). RecommendaMons of ihe Hathi years as Committee including their rocommen- on 31-12-76 dations to regulate the activities of the Supreme Court of India 2.518* Foreign Sector Companies in the Drug Industry are under coimideratioii of HIGH COURTS Government and a rm.il decision will I .■\llahabad . 23.074 be taken as soon as possible. 2. .\ndhra Pradesh ID 3- Bomb.iy 7-9 S5 (c) With etTect from lOih May, 1977 , 4 Calcutta 19.084 the Government have reduced the 5- D elhi 5-135 excise dutv on p-iteit and propTictary 6. Gauhati . 364 medicines containing the folliAvinn bulk dri’Cs from 12:. Pcr cent to 21 7- Gujarat . . 352 per cen t:— 8, Himachal Prrdesh 416 9 - Jammu & Kashmir 108 (i) Chloroquin Phosphate 10. Karnataka 62 II. Kerala . 14 (ii) Amodiaquin 12. Madhya Pr?desh 3.728 13- Madras I3C33 (iii) Glofazimino 14. Orissa 378 (iv> Tolbutamide 15- Patna . . 5.734 16. Punjab & Haryana 7,560 (V) M etronidazole 17- Rajasthan . 1.974 18. Sikkim N il. (vi) Diethyl Carbamazine Citrate • ai on 1-4-1977. (vii) Piperazine and its 'alts Study Of Hathl Committee Report (viii) Rifampcin 3258. SHRI JYO TIR M O Y BOSU: (xi) Tetracycline Hydrochloride. SHRI SAUGATA ROY: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM, This will have an eSeot towards re CHEMICALS & FERTILIZERS ducing the prices o! the formulations pleased to state; and the benefit will be passed on to the consumers as soon as the revised (a) vrhether Govemtnent have re excise duty is levied on the new batches finished study of the Hathi Commit- cleared by the excise authorities. 4ee Report on drug industry; l 6l Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Atuwert ,162 ) New Ballway Vbm I0 Backward and by Shri P. C. Sen erstwhile Chief Hilly areas in West Beagal Minister, West Bengal, that two senior- most ofOcials conspired to rig elections 3259. SHRI JYOTTRMOY BOSU: Will in West Bengal; the Mini»ter of R'AIL-WAYS be pleased to state: (b) if so, whether Government has identified both these officials; and (a) whether Government have formulated any scheme to construct (c) if 90, what action, if any, has new lines in the backward regions, been takKn against them? particularly in the hill areas; (b) whether there is a a j proposal THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS to set up new lines in the Northern TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS part of Wett Bengal where there are (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): (a) virtually no railway facilities; and No, Sir. ^ ...... (b) and (c). Do not arise. (c) if so, the details thereof? THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS ^ Allotment of Gas Agencies (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) The Public Accounts Committee had 3261. SHRI N AW AB SINGH CH AU - recommended in ^heir l91st Report for HAN: Will the Minister of PETRO 1975-76 that a comprehensive long-term LEUM AND CHEMICALS AND and clear cut policy for construction of FERTILIZERS be pleased to state: new railway lines on a systematic basis should be spelt, out l>efore Parlia (a) the rules in regard to allotment ment. This recommendation has been of gas agencies and categories of per accepted by the Government and ihe sons who are allotted gas agencies on matter is under active consideration of priority basis; the Ministry of Railways. The policy, (b) whether Government propose when finalised in consultation with to allot gas agencies to the co-opera other concerned Ministries, 'vill be tives; placed before the Parliament fnr their consideration. (c) the districts in Uttar Pradesb where gas agencies has been allotted (b) and (c',. A Preliminary Engineer- So far; ing-cum-TrafRc survey for con«;truction of a broad gauge line from Eklakhi to (d) whether Government propose to Balurghat has been' carried out. A make arrangements to make gas cylin preliminary Engineering-cuni-TTa'Tic ders available to the people of those survey for construction of a new broad districts irr.mediately; and gauge line from Ma.vingiiri to Sitai is in progress. No decision has been (e) if so, by what time? taken go far regarding the construction of these lines. THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS Conspiracy to Riif Elections in West (SHRI H. N. B A H U G U N A ); (a) Bengal and (b). While the other oil compa nies, which were until recently in 3260. SHRI JY O T m M O Y BOSU: Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE the private sector, have been award ing domestic gas agencies on com AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleas ed to jtate; mercial considerations, 25 per cent of the agencies awarded by Indian Oil (a) whather Governmant’s attention Corporation are reserved for Sche has been drawn to a statement made duled Castes/Tribes candidates With 1^3 j4n«««fri h j L t H I 6ar / JBfeet from 1-1-1974. For tWe rcittftin. ing ag«ncies, prefereooe is ixiaig given, other things being equal, to the following categories: Wf? ft, ^ JTHT WT (b) Genuine Congtnner Co-opera (^r) ^ %T m tives which are w d l estab lished and running efficiently and are financially sound. ^ ^ t ? (b) Disabled Defence personnel and war-widows. ftrfVi s f w isvTift VT*f c) Unemployed Engineers/3ra- i j i i i r ) , : (%.) i f k .(% ). duate^ etc. IPHI *nW imfr Wn (d) Ex-servicemen. %rp^ gspsr- (c) The Districts are: Agra, Ali;arh. s m m p r ^ ^ f w Allahabad, Bareilly, Dehra Dun, Feiza- *nTT «TT I ^ 3 ^ a m m n r bad, F\imikhBbad, Ghartabad, JhanEi, Kanpur, Lucknow, Meerut, Mirzapur, % ^ tfVo t ^ o Muzaffamagar, Nainital, Rei-Bareilly, ^ R E ^ c w r i r ^ s m r m Saharanpur and Varanasi. % Wf#l«5 >5»t 5 »ir 3 t^ W R T #r (d) and (e). The demands of exist ing customers are being met. New *s^TT5T ^ gas connections are released, subject Ptarr n v f m i to a\’Bilability, according to dates of registration of customers with tach distributor. amrmv ^ ^HT- ^ ' R ^ TT >!^ i ^ *r ^ srro ^sRitJT ’SFJ % 5T«rr o jft o ^ o *w «n?w % vmwTOffvH fir t nn % 3 qr: «tt m Jr >!ft ?^To ?Fr ?qTo €to IT^O f*TJ!T ^ wh: 3 2 6 2 . : >sft STTO a n o tt («r) Jrfe^.rft'WT IfWK ^m cRTT v t ftwrr ^ ^ tvpnftsfii ifpfc ^ ^ atm «m ^ •ftr % m o ^ % tn W t w w ^vmitir ^ i (*r) ^ ^W W lT % THE llimiSTBR CfF R A IL W A Y S (i»RO(p. MaDHU DANDAVATE); (a) «rro ffffrtr ^ ^ Ca'tering services af’e provided on the by the contractors from various Law Government of India for services of Courts. With the approval of the then Indian engineers and technicians for Minister for Railways, this rule was setting up oil refineries in those coun cancelled in March 1975 and the pro tries. cedure inforce prior to 1973 was re introduced. (b) to (d). Do not arise. (c) Government has no information regarding award of contracts to the WT*TT vitA wnA nw It fW families of his Private Secretaries and his Assistants or to the people of a particular community. 3265. (d) As indicated in reply to part (a) of the Question, there is a definite ^ p n fip : procedure for aw«rd of contract to a suitable person and the applications are screened bv a Screening Commit ( v ) wT*rT t o tee consisting of two or more officers. % ^ % 'trrarr 'tk The contract is awarded by the com petent authority on the basis of the ^ % HtTTH ir ^ ftiHT recommendations of the Screening t : Committee. ( « ) »T¥ SIT'?r ^ if rn in sm : sratwr F»reign Countries seekiiif Assistance of Indian Engineers to build their q?5ft ^ *r»T Refineries i f ^ 04 *^ % f^fTT ^Tfn r 3264. SHRI K. M A LLA N N A : Will nil f the Minister of PETROLEUM A!;D CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be (*r) wm x r m % ^ ^rr pleased to state; »nTT I (a) whether some foreign coun v R r n v t ^ ^ vfrfr tries have requested the Indian Gov ernment for assistance of some engi neers and technicians to build their refineries • OTT TmiTT «rh (b) if so, the broad outlines in this regard; ( !p ) ^ (»T). WT5T q5t%T*f»TH (grm (c) the policy of Government re ^ ^ ^ e j t h * f garding the duration of their stay in JTPr t I ?T«rrf^T foreign countries along with their terms and conditions; and t »TT»r ^ (d) the names of such countries *nft ?«n?ff qr W f t a - where Indian engineers are working at ^ q r ’m i m v R ^ t i present? THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, q f ^ q r ^ CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS 3TT^ ^ I 5n«rf»w^rT%«rtwT'RT^fWfT (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) Ko foreign country has requested the 5^ ijt wnrfff if, ^ snpn: % i69 'Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) WHtten Answers " 170 % iTPim o ft' % irran: Women Judges In High Courts ^ I ^iror?Fr 3267. SHRI SA U G ATA RO Y: Will jn‘?T sr^jffr w f f s : ^ 133 the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND T7 f r o I TO COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleased to _state: f^^TT^%’Tnr irriftw^rrtrt ^ *T'^I+^’*T *pt cTl Ct^al % K (a) how many women judges are ^3?TTC % ^«T5T5ar ^ q r 3TT^ there in the High Courts in India; t » (b) whether there are any impedi ments in having more women judges xffK TRT % 5rrn (T5R% in the High Courts; and »h!T v r Jfrrf ^ T 1 1 (c) if so, the steps taken to remove 5f T T sn ftn them? « 32R 6. ^ *ftST H W TOW : WT t h e m i n i s t e r o f l a w , j u s t i c e AND COMPANY AFFAIRS *T3’t IT5 1^ ^ 2>*1I f% I (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN); ^a) There are four Women Judges in th* ( v ) Taking Over of Sick Drug Units fcy IDPL («) »lrT ^ ^ ^ ^ 3268. SHRI SA U G ATA R O Y ; W ill ^ ^ % M»T5r 5 ? ^ r ? n ff % the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS bt ^ ^ n n m 2300 5? ^ w jt- pleased to state; ? r f ^ I ^ (a) whether the Indian Drugs and 5pnnT 4 0 0 T r fw ftr ^ srs^f ^ Pharmaceuticals Limitej is going to take over some sick drug units in ft*rc f^T I ?T5TI^5PR West Bengal; and Tt WSV ^ ^ p «fk ^ (b) if so, details thereof? qr t^HTR WT I THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, ?rfiT% % ^ cnrr ^ CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS ^ fmfm *t TMvm / ^TfHT (SHRI H. N. BAHUGUNA): (a) No, Sir. . % ^tpRSff % % snfl’ T ^ snrfir 1 (b) Does not arise. Written Answers JULY 12, 1977 171 Written Answers 17a Off-Shore DriUing in ABdanuui and by the CcoimiUei. TJiese art Nlcobar Islands cated below: — 3269. SHBI MANORANJAN (i) Assigning a I^dership role to BHAKTA: Will the Minister of PET the public secibr; ROLEUM AND c h e m i c a l s AND (ii) Ericouragement to the Indian FERTILIZERS be pleased to stale: Sector; (a) whether Government propose to (iii) Supply of bulk drugs to the have off-shore drilling in Andaman non-associated formulatorw, and Nicobar Islands; if so, the details Foreign firms are, as a rule, thereof; and issued approvals for hulk drugs only on condition that (b) wheher any foreign company was 50 per cent of the bulk should entrusted with the drilling job; if so, be supplied to non-associated the name thereof and the terms of the formulators as against 30 per contract? cent for Indian firms and 40 per cent for Public Sector; THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZKHS (iv) Indian firms are being allov/- (SHRI H. N. B A H U G U N A ): (a) ed new capacities of formu and (b). Seismic and magnetic sur lations provided their ratio of veys have been carried out in the bulk drug to formulations is 1 :10. In the case of foreign entire Andaman-Nicobar shelf area firms new capacity of formu during January-M ay, 1977. These sur lation is being allowed only veys have been conducted through when it is linked with the M/s. Dresser Olympic of USA on production of concerned bulk contract at a cost of US $ 5.72,272. drugs The data acquired during surveys 13 now being processed in the ONGC's (v) As recommended by the Com computer centre in Dehra Dun; where mittee the restriction earlier after it would be interpreted with b imposed on the industry re view to locate structures for drilling. quiring them to link their formulations licence applica Action on Recommendations of Hathi tions with bulk production where their turnover exceed Committee ed Rs. 2 crores per annum has 3270. DR. V A SA N T KU M AR been removed. PANDIT: Will the Minister of PET ROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS be pleased to state; what action have the Government ^ ffm ^ taken on the recommendations of the Hathi Committee on Drugs & Phar maceuticals which have been accept ed? 32 71. *T0 Tpnft ^ ^ y'TT ft? t THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM. CHEMICALS AND FERTILTZEilS ( ^ ) fiwsr (SHRI H. N. BAJTOGUNA): The recommendations the Hathi Com m ittee as a w hole are under co:i- sideration. However, ©overnment tw r «niT have accepted and are implementing some of the recommendaltonr made 179 AWBW ASAI^ i m (SAKA> V(tm ()» ), wm ^ m m e vV (•> % (i|). ( ^ ) . ^VTTVrft I f r 5ft5TT(r ^ ^ ^ snsT jqff I Jr ^ ^ Gxploratioa for Oil and Nstaral Gas ^ I; ir<»rw- ia Rajasthan Desert f«nF (^) WT ?n?PR w f^rsTR ^ (b) whether Government propose to continue further drilling for find if STTO sn>TT5ft ^ ^7»T7^ WK ^ ing oil or natural gas in this region; (c) whether Government are aware of any misuse of funds and other misappropriations committed by ONGC officials in this project; and ^ *T^ (sr> ?T^) : (^) (d) how much staff was posted for ^'t T ^ 5Tt^ w k %(fn TTr^r % these tasks and what expenditure was incurred on these campaigns since the ^M-q'W % JSTVt^ « f t f ^ f o n start of explorations? I W ^5T f?«T^ ^tlTT fW r g-TTT f ? r f ^ jfwi^t % ^friT THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM, CHEMICALS AND FERTILIZERS ^ri^ qr ^ =^ fw w r 1 (SHRI H. N. BA H U G U N A ): (a) Except for a small gas find at Man- 1 9 7 6 - 7 7 % ^ k R ?HT«T^T 7 5 hera Tibba at intervals between 287.8 WT I r'lPq^i'HT/ to 464 metres, which was not of com mercial significance, no hydrocarbons ^T S'¥?£r T^'t ^ % have so far been found in Rajasthan. m H jfrnr f Jr »5Tf ^ (b) Drilling in Rajasthan is being temporarily suspended for re-inter % 'TF?rm tfrTT >T?IT snfccT ^ 5!TR Jr pretation of the available data, on which would depend the future oaursa J T ift^ % fHg?r % «T!j¥R f^«rr 3fT^ I I (c) A case of alleged temporary misuse of Commission’s funds was SRTR ^ ffrqzT^ ^ «T^ ?nniT ^ looked into by the C.B.I. who referred ?fr| ^ nfsRTTfWr 5»>V f fm the same to the O.N.G. Commission. The matter is under consideration of ^ I ^ ^rifr the Commission. sr^?r M r grrar I PsRRft (d.) The total strength o f staff at the end of June, 1977 was 339 per ^’W ^ HHSZIT9.T q^lr f W t I sons for the project and 51 persoa« 175 Written Answers JULY 12, Itf77 ‘ Wrmen Antvims 176 for seismic exploration work. The , (e) if so, what steps are proposed to total expenditure inciured upto 31-3 be initiated to stop such malpractic«7 1977 has been Rs. 12.42 crores sp - proximately. THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) Appointment of Hlfh Court Jndres to (e). The information is being col lected and will be laid oq the Table 3273. SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI: of the House. Will the Minister of LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS be pleas ed to state whether Government are considering a proposal for appointing High Court Judges from amongst the 3275* : Advocates practising outside the States where thty are appointed? ftp ; THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS (^) ^ aftf Jr ^ % TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): Ap pointments of High Court Judges are ^ made through procedures drawn up in vfayrfCTl ^ jttt- accordance with article 217 of the Constitution, which does not stand in fn r p r the way of appointment from % fjRiT «TT ; amongst Advocates practising outside the States where they are appointed. (^) ft, eft WT Wluuface Clurs«B raised «c»iBSt t *RT ^ Priv&te Parties on Allahabad WT »TTT ; Di vision ( * r ) W T SPFR ^ ^ 3274. SHRI B ATESH W AR H £M - RAM: Will the Minister of RAIL f5TJTftRnff ?WT ^ ^ Tnrrfirw ^ WAYS be pleased to state: % iTT^ir (a) the amount of wharfage charges («f) qf? ft, eft« ^^ raised against private parties on Alla habad Division for using railway go- ^ wen | ? downs for the purposes of storing goods during the last 3 y«ars, year- ^ (rito ITU ): w ise; (t) ^ ^tjft 'T’T (b) the amount of wharfage charges foregone and finally recovered during ■the above-mentioned period; !ft% ^crnrr w r 5 :— (c) whether specific reasong were ?rsJi«T, ^ ^ recorded by Commercial Officers While considering the request of par ?Tfnnp— 23-1-1974 tr 5-2 ties for waiving of wharfage charges; 1975 5-5-19 77 ?rnf (d) whether Government are aware that some Commercial Officers in col SETf^W, sft^ % lusion with parties and brokers waiv 31-3-1973 % 22-1-1974 ed wharfage charges indiscrhninately ( ^ 1 1 it) ^ 23-1-1974' ^ resulting into loss of railway revenue; «n d 23-3-l«77 I ^ 177 Written Answers ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Written Answers 178 fTTTT ^PTVR't ^ ^ WW» (Sft O IW : ( ^ ) 157 1 8 - ^=srrft ^ 1600 % t^mrr Jt | ?t\t ( g ) % i h { ^ ) . 5§(^r?5p:5ft « T ^ «p : 150 f^ «rfsr5rTfT’Tt Jpt 1,09,778, 00 Survey for Dahod-Banswada Rail way Project ^ T«P*r ir «ft I 3277. SHRI SOM JIBHA DAM OR: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (n) «flT («l). f% 'T?^ pleased to state: 4diMi *nrr ^ (a) whether Dahod-Banswada Rail way project survey has been com jrfw % ?fh: pleted; % « n j* ft ^ 5T Ir v t »!| «ff I (b) if so, when the work will start; and (c) whether there is any difficulty before the Government for not starting 2 6 1975 ft 28 «T W ^ , 1977 the project, if so, the details thereof? WF ftr*l THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS- m (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) to (c). No survey for construction of 32 76. «ft fWW tw TM railway line from Dahod to Banswada has been carried out and the project : fJ|T ^ 1 *^ srwi^ ^ 1 ^ is not under consideration at present % : on account of paucity of resources. (>p) 26 1975 ^ 28'?57:^^, *n^ ^ *WT 1977 rHT rlW> ^ >*11*11 ■t»'4-q'Tr (5r) ^?T»PR ^ I ^ ^ I rR> v*f’^rrR4f ^ ^ (f^T^) 1926^ «I^T5T *R ft^TT *nTT (^ ) WT JT? «ft I f*P ^3^d^5I ^ inr ^ f ^ T | ; 179 Written A n g ers JULX 12» i m Wrtl^^tL 4 nftxii^rs 189 (*r) i^TT^RTVrW X F^iVRT- {m y 19 1977 ^ ^ fJH V f ^ wrr tiFfiwKnt s»rwPTT ^ oil ?^*pn rWTfTWV? ftarf »nTT 1 1 (^t) fffTT THJir Jr ft?(fr war ^ inft (»>o W9 i w ^ ) : ?fi>¥ ^ r tfrr ( ^ ) STTT«T ^Tr?^ *rr^fe?T »n^ P p n j r i | 1 «ft ?rtT ^RT *rr^, 197 0 cT^ TrTTTftim^ ^Tlld'T »F^ff^-If^f*T|^ JTrtfj ^ I M <*-Mn d ? T!T?RT, 32 80. «ft W STTTW : WT % iftr 5T7r ^r I I ^ r f^ q-^ ^.?rr% ^ frqr f% : ( ^ ) 3ft ^ I ( ^ ) fJJT5 ?T I % 5 i T ^ - I ^r «rr% ^rrt ^rr % 'j'jf^: s? pt ^'t *rf sft, ?fh: i w t f g s % 5 % w W T ^ (?j) JTf? ^r ?TT ?rcfr(T ^r ?»t ^ sTf ir : ^ ( 5fto *T«j i n ^ ) : ( ^ ) efjiT IT? ^ 1^ J IJ R iR ( t ) frr ?rr?rT ( f ^ ) ^ ^ 197G ^r f?^n: ^f ?rr% ^r? ^ q r iTf: t i ( ^ ) w r JTf »T^ t ^ ^ ir^ ^ I fp ^Crr *r, f^r^rT^ ^ ^ r q’o ^ ^iT •fV^Tjft % JTrsq’*? TJ^T ^ 5r, ?rrf iiTtfwrT % ^frar ^ %(TSf 'Z^ ^ T JFTT I ; ?r't7: fffcfwrc, i976 Jr (»t) ?pir ^ erf^ ^ «rt 1 q r ^ ^Mr«fV % irrsq-»T % 3 % ?rnrfer »iir | ? { ^ ) iT^ ?rr55T 5 T W V»*h V ^ ( »>o IW w n ) : % «rf^rr 5f | ^ ( f : ) JT^T ^ TT J I W T fr ^ T ^ 8Ff ^ W 3 *FC^ ^ ^ r d , W T ^ , C T # WJf? ^ ^ 5TT^ ^ *rc>^ v x ^ f u r % WTT«H w ^ j m I V f *rf I I ^ f R % ^ ^ ftrq. W rtttei ASADH ^ 4 m m * ' % n r - ^ r r ^ ^ condurted and a i« uodac coiuidfBXft- tion: — Ttftt iirfinT % ¥T Jr ^ | i w WTTT ^ ’ TW ^ ^TT*=*W ^ Section Length I ^ mwwra’ ^ » m ^ I Canning-Golabari 20 kra,. Lalu hm'kanCi^«^-Kakdwi p. 30 kn». Devj^lo 9D»e»t Projects in DiTision C-uining-Hatgachha . 30 km. 3281. SHRT JYOTIRM O Y BOSU.: Sonirpur-Dham Khali 50 km. Will the Miriater of RAILWAYS be pleased to state: B udg e-B adg :-N imkhan a 82 km. (a^ the details of passenger freights H is n ibad- H itgacliha 29 km. of Sealdah Division South Section (i.c. Sealdah/Budge Budge, Seal(iah/ Diamond Harbour, Sealdah/Lakshmi- (c) N t. kantapur and Sealdah/Canning to be given separately); Footpath on One Side of Two Bridges Near Kadalundi Station (b) what are the development pro jects that the Railways have in mind for this particular section; and 3282. SHRI G. M. B A N A TW A LLA: Will the Minister of RAILWAYS be (c) whether the Government are li^asfcd to state: aware of the fact that people are quite often required to travel on the roof (a) whether representations have of the electric trains, causing deaths been made to the General Manager, and accidents? Southern Railway, Madras and the Divisional Superintendent, Olavakkot THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS Division for imminent necessity to (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) provide footpaths on orfe stfle o T lh e Section-wise earnings from Passenger tw.o bridges Nos. 924 and 925 near traffic ivn the Sealdah Division Sjuth Kadalundi Railway Station; and Section for the year 1976-77 is given b e lo w :- - (b) if so, the decision taken thereon? Rs (i) S.-ild\h-Budge Budge 1,16,07,581 THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (ii) Sealdah-Diamond Har (PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE): (a) bour .... 97,8<>,770 Three representations have been re ceived for the provision of footpath (iii) Sealdih-Lakshmikantapur 36,41,393 on one side of Bridges No. 924 and (iv) Sealdih-Canning . 31,82,323 925 across Kadalundi river situated close to Kadalundi station. (b) There are no development projects under consideration for th,ese (b) The proposal was examined in fictions. However, recoppaissapce detail and found not feasible as the tr|rfRc-cu»^-eiXgin,wri^ surveys of ^he existing bridge structure is neither following new rail liulp on South strong nor suitable to tal^e the pro S®cMoi) of 5ea)dahi, Division, have b,een posed footpath. 183 Written Ansvbets JULY12 , 1977 Written Answers 184 wW if IWWTTfT’TW JWR % - ( ^ ) WT ^ ^R'TTW if ^ % ft)TT^ r»l« + I ^ I, sfV TTf?r 1-9-76 % 1432.30 ^o ^■<+lO v itv ff «rr SPT% ftT ^sr?T ^ 1 051 . 60^'T^ 5FT I ^ fspTR % «Ft ?TT^ «rm 7 ^ ^ irfBrTTTt 3 0 -6 -7 7 ^ ^ ?PTJrfw ?r ^ t , ftr ^ Wk 1-7-77 % ^ ^ ^ cR> t ^ 5F=i> a ? ?TV ( s ) ^ vTPr ^ WTsnr qT ^ f v r m »fnfNT qr f^nff f^>in I ^TT% if 9^ ftm wr t, (»r) ^ ^>5 % «FJT «rfe- ^ ?r»*Tf% ir r e t ?r*ft f^r»nff T K t % f«Rft wnr fsR finrt 'v3 (n) WT ^"^fjrer «fjt fnww «FJT »TPq% if < rfa ^ f< n1i ^ ft , wh: ^ ^ 3TFT ^ 1T3T I (^) irf? ft, ^ ^ ^ ^ *R^ % WT f.l4^T^' AMendlnc of Conferenoea of Political ^ n| t ? PartlM by Xndccs of Supreme Court 3284. SH Rl BAPUSAH EB P A R U - ^ iRift (ifto »ni ) ’ LEKAR; Will the Minister of LAW, (t ) 3ft ^ I ^ ^ JUSTICE AND COMPANY ATP AIRS be pleased to state: ^ f^RTT if ?TRT *TTPT | flTVTxt % » (b) The information is not Table a. copy of the Public Notice available with Government. In view No. l-PR-NP/77 (Hindi and Bnglish of the position given, to Judges of'the versions) dated the 12th July, 1»77 High Courts and Supreioe C^ourt containing the Newsprint Allocation under the constitution and the policy Policy (Basis of Entitlement) for of the Government to maiDtaiu the 1977-78. [Placed in Library. See No. dignity of their office, Government LT-853/77.] do not consider that any useftil pur pose will be served in collecting such information. D etaiusd Demands fo* GRAiNTS of BtoUSTRY OF WOBSS & Housinc, (c) Does not arise. 1977-78 THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND UJB6 h n . , HOUSING AND SUPPLY AND RE MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now we HABILITATION (SHRI SIK:ANDAR BAKHT): I beg to lay on the Table will take up Papers to be Laid. a copy of the Detailed Demands for SHRI JYQTIRMOY BOSU (Dia Grants (Hindi and English versions) mond Harbour); Sir, I am on a point of the Ministry of Works and Hous of order. Direction (2) clearly gives ing for 1977-78. [Placed in Library. a direction to the House as to how See N o. LT-654/77.] the business of the House should be arranged. Matters involving Privi lege get a higher precedence over N otifications u n d e r C o m p a n i e s A « ' Papers to be Laid. THE MINISTER OF LAW, JUS MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS looked into the Rule. That will come (SHRI SHANTI BHUSHAN): I beg after laying of the Papers, to lay on the Table a copy each of the following Notifications (Hindi and SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU; Matters English versions) under sub-section involving Privilege come after the (3) of section 642 of the Companies Question Hour. Act, 1956: — MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: You may please go nd look into the book (1) The Non-banking Financial Companies and Miscellaneous again. Non-Banking Companies (Ad. Now, Papers to be Laid. vertisement) Rules, 1977 pub lished in Notification No. G.S.R. 385(E) in Gazette of India dated the 20th June, 1977. 12.26 h n . PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE (2) The Companies (Acceptance of Deposits) A m e n d m e n t P u b l i c N o t i c e re. N e w s p r i n t A l l o Rules. 1977 published in Noti c a t i o n P ou cY (B a s i s o f E n t i t l e m e n t ) fication No. G.S.R. 388(E) in FOR 1977-7S Gazette of India dated the 20th June, 1977. ' THE. m i n i s t e r OP INPOR^- [Placed in Library. • Ss^ No. L T - n o N AND broadcasting (S S R I L. K. ADVANI): I beg to l«y on Ihe 65S/77.] i8^ P^ipen De^d MUjT 12, f97Y 188 DBTAttk) DMiikANDs rdn O^euras Of IZM rtmisiikY or |WA>iCE, t>!Ai(uud^T, f i t m . OT PiiHLiAiinkiAtrr ArfUOn QUESTION OF PRIVILiXSE j-Tc. W r Y v n - n AOMNST SHRI KISHORE J. TANNA OF laCSSRS. JAMNADAS MADH- AVJI & CO., BOMBAY—Contd. THE MINISTER OF FI? •Mov«d with the recommendation the Vice-I^resident acting as President. Min. of Labour 191 D.G., 1977-78— JULY 12, 1977 X92 [Shri Ravindra Varma] country, the question of industrial re lations is coie. A s the hon. Members My attempt will be to look for a con who participated in the debate point sensus rather than indulge in any ed out, it is a major question that attempt to provoke anyone who took affects the entire fabric o f the part in the debate. life of the nation. If is some thing in which everybody is in As far as the subject lhat we are dis terested. It is something in which cussing is concerned, it is very clear everybody has a slake. Sir, there can that this is one of the issues on which be no such thing as an ossified model a national debate is highly necessary. of industrial relations. Industrial re There are many things in our country lations have to be dynamic bebause and many aspects of the life of our they have to respond to the conditions nation that caU for a constructive of the society in which these relations national debate. It is true that for 30 exist. It is very clear that even years we have been independent, many if we recognize and assure our things have been attempted, and many selves of the three major points things have been achieved. A time that were brought up in the comes in the history of a nation course of the debate yesterday by my when it becomes necessary for us to distin»uished and hon. friends on the sit back and attempt to analyse what opposite side as well as this side—Mr. we have achieved and to see whether Ravi. Mr. Rajan. Mr. Chitta Basu and we have arrived at where we wanted the others on this side whom I do not to reach. This is a national efTort and want to mention because their number it is not a pa*t’Sf>n effor'i;. is larger, namely, that industrial rela tions should recognize the right of As far as our country is concerned, workers to organize, themselves there were many things that we at obviously, to protect their own interests tempted to achieve, but, for various through collective bargaining, to us 2 reasons, we have not reached where the ultimate weapon of the strike, even we wanted to reach and on this ques if we grant all these things, as this tion, there can be no difference of Government does. still, there can be opinion between the hon. Member.^ different pattern of industrial relation opposite and the hon. Members on this ships. There is no uniformity in the side of the House. It may be because patterns that we see in different coun there was some ambiguity in our tries of the world. There are a num thinking and the defining of our ob ber of factors that determine, condition jectives. It may be because unfore and colour industrial relations. Ob seen events impinged on the plans and viously. one is the form of ownership. programmes and the policies that we Another factor is the techniques and had formulated. It may be because relationships of production. A third there were some shortcomings and de factor is the nature of the state and ficiencies in the implementation of po the role that the state accepts for it licies for which the government which self. A fourth factor is the instruments was in power should take responsibili used by society to formulate public ty. There may be difference of opinion opinion. A fifth factor consists of the between the hon. Members opposite and instruments that are used to forge and us in determining the extent to which invoke sanctions and another relates the third factor should be given impor to the relative roles of consensus, con tance. But I am sure all of us will ciliation and confrontation, to the agree that these are the factors which ethos in which the processes through we have to take into consideration. which the reconciliation of sectional interests with the paramountcy of the I beg to submit to the House that of collective interests of all sections takes t h e m ajor is s u e s on whir li Iher* is a place in a society. In all these respects, n e e d for a national debi-te in t h is in each of these factors, tremendous 193 D.G., 1977-78— ASADHA 21. 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Labour 194 changes have taken placie in our coun My hon. friend Shri Sathe who be try. I do not want to take the time ol gan the debate yesterday spoke of the the House to go into each of these responsibility for generating opportuni factors. But I do waht to tell the ties for employment. He pointed out ' House,' to beg of the House to remem that unemployment has been increas ber that in almost all these factors tre ing in the country. He pointed out mendous chants have taken place that unless there is a consistent, con in the last thirty jrears. There certed plan to deal with the questioi^ fore, it is necessary for us to of unemployment, not only in the urbaii think afresh on the question areas but also in the rural areas where of industrial relations, and not to think the vast majority of our population that because we had this system of lives, we can have no successful em industrial relations oefore indepen ployment policy. I entirely agree with dence and we maintained It for a few him. In fact, when he was explaining decades, we must cling to the system to us the magnitude of the problem of industrial relations that we have and when he said that increase in un been having in our country, even in employment can be countered only if the face of changes that have taken we generate opportunities for employ place. ment in the rural areas themselves through industrialisation in those areas, In our country, as far as the question through the generation of resources in of ownership, for instance, is concern those areas, through organising and ed we now have a very big public providing facilities for marketing, cre sector as the hon. members have re dit, etc., lor one moment I wondered: marked. It is obvious that there can whether somebody from the other side not be two codes of conduct, two pieces of the House was speaking or somebody ef labour legislation, one for the private from this side was speaking. I say this sector and the other for public sector. not to criticise my hon. friend Shri There is a public sector, there is a Sathe but to point out that there is a private sector, there is a co-operative large measure of agreement in this sector and there is the sector of the House on this question. Unless we self-employed which we hope will in address ourselves to the task of gene crease in our country. Under such rating employment opportunities in the circumstances it has become very neces rural areas, we will not be able to sary for us to think afresh on the sys tackle the problem of unemiployment. tem of industrial relations and the That is why I say—the Janata Party machinery of industrial relations in and its Government wiU, if necessary, our country. There must, therefore, shift its emphasis from the urban be a national debate in which the trade areas to the rural areas to see that this unions participate^ employers partici problem of unemplo}mient and proverty pate and all organs which contribute is buried deep in the course of ten to the formulation of public opinion and years. That is why we have said that the forging and invoking of sanctions in the next ten years we will see that participate. This debate should not destitution ends, poverty ends and every only be on the structure, but also on able bodied adult in this country gains the methods of conciliation, situations the right to employment. He pleaded or problems that give rise to conflict or for demarcation of areas so that the limitations and inhibitions that have right kind of industrialisation can take to be kept in mind while resorting to place. Unfortunately in this debate struggle or dealing with conflict. I one can not go deep into this question hope, therefore, that the debate in the because it is dealt with by my disting House will be continued outside the uished friend the Minister for Industry. House too and this debate will fructify But even so I would like to point out in the formulation and the identifica tion of a new concensus on the ques this to m y hon. friend Mr. Sathe and tion of the industrial relations that we others that we in the Janata Party should have. manifesto have referred to the question 14S9 L S - 7 . 195 D.G., 1977-7&— JULY 12, 1977 Min. of Labour 196 [Shri Ravindra Varma] ing population live in urban areas. There is a total w orkforce of 200 m il of demarcation of areas for the produc lion approximately in this country; tion of certain wage goods a n d so on. and only 20 million of these work in I would like to add this that the ques- the organised sector and urban indusi- ion of generating employment is tied tries. 13 million work in the public with the question of appropriate sector including the Central Govern 'Sechnology. It is not that we have to ment, State Governments and local tling to old forms and methods but we bodies and 7 million work in the pri thould encourage the adoption of a vate sector. Of these 20 million only tind of technology which is consistent 5 to 6 million belong to what may be with our capital resources, our resour described. 95 th» unionised sector of ces in skill and our need to match the workers. It is an unfortunate fact that \nvestment-employment ratio to our many of them are not unionised. We needs. It is only then that we cannot ignore the fact that a large |o forward to the kind of industrial percentage of them are not unionised. development which we want to have in This country has responsibility rot the rural areas which will provide em only for workers in urban areas, not ployment. improve the standards of only for unionised workers, but ate* living and create a new kind of life in for others. whether they are in the our rural areas. rural areas or in the urban areas. In order to tackle this aspect of the prob Mr. Sathe and other hon. Members lem a new emphasis Is needed, a new who took part in the Debate referred direction is neeBed. A new orientation to employment exchanges. The^ said i.<; needed to ensure that 90 per cent of that these are not functioning in a pro the working population is not outside per way. Well, perhaps, by a slip of the field of attention of this Ministry. the tongue, one of the hon. Members referred to employment exchanges as We propose to correct this distortion unemployment exchanges. There is no which has been a legacy of the past, I doubt that employment exchanges cover do not want to say of any particular only a very small, an inflnitisimal sec Government. But, unfortunately, it ia tion of our population. There is : 0 a fact and it is a fact, that Members on doubt that those who are unemployed the other side will bemoan as much as or underemployed in the rural areas we bemoan’. Therefore, we want to are not registered in the urban employ bring about a shift in the emphasis so ment exchanges. It has also be^n that 90 per cent of our working popu pointed out that there are cases of lation is not ignored bv the Labour corruption and malpractices. I would Ministry. not deny that; it is possible; but what I wish to point out is this. 'The main tenance of these employment exchanges is largely the responsibility of the States. Even so we propose to look into the question because hon Mem SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA; May I bers have raised this question, and I continue? I.et him not interrupt me. will see that a survey is conducted into their operations to see where malprar My hon. friend has had his say. I enjoyed hearing him. Perhaps, he tices exist and how they can be re cannot enjoy hearing me. moved. Now I come to the next question. I now wish to refer to the poirt.s That is the necessity to balance the raised regarding the organised and demands and the interests of the wor unorganised sectors. Many hon. Mem kers in different sections of the popula bers referred to this question. It is tion. To an extent it can be said— true that only 10 per cent of our wo’-k- it has often been said —J am not saying 197 D.G., 1977-78— ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Labour 198 in that in a derogatory sense—that feasible, if it is found beneficial, then workers who are in the organised sector we will certainly adopt the idea. But, of industry are a privileged section. I we will examine the idea. do nol mean to say tMs in any deroga tory sense because organisation is Then, Sir, some references were good for the worker. If the worker made to the emergency. Now I shall has no organisation he cannot fight ex not introduce any jarring note in ploitation, without organi.sation, one what I am saying and, even if some cannot fight exploilation in the rural things that I say may be unpleasant, area or in the urban area. I shall try to say them in as non-con- troversial a way as possible, because, I hope my hon. friend, Shri Bosu is it is not part of my purpose, to pro not walking out on this statement. voke anybody in this debate. The Mini.stry of Labour must set an exam Sir, it is clear that an organisation ple in conciliation and the quest for is a great thing for labour. Even so, consensus. Therefore, I only say that, those who are in the organised sec example is better than precept. (In tor and who have the benefits that terruptions). The hon. Member knows, accrue to them because of the solida and perhaps, he follows that in his rity and strength of unionsation must life! Sir, as far as this question remember that the economy must be which was raised yesterday is concer judicioulsy pitoted, judiciously hus ned, namely the spate of strikes—after banded, to ensure that workers who the emergency, that there was a are less fortunate, who have not been spate of strikes, lock-outs and stop unionised and organised do not get pages of work after the emergency— further exposed to the kind of vul I would like to submit to the House nerability that can arise from iim- that the emergency was an abnornval balances in the economy. I do not state of affairs. On this there can be want to say more on this question. no quarrel. We may all be sorry But, necessarily, this question has to about what happened in different be considered by the workers in the ways and in different degrees. We unionised sector. may be ashamed of what happened Now, Sir, there was a suggestion in different degrees. Some may have which my hon. friends, Shri Ugra opposed; some may have wanted to Sen and Shri Ram Dhari Shastri oppose. The spirit was willing but the made that one way of dealing with flesh was weak. I shall n o t criticise this question of increasing opportuni anyone on that score in this debate. ties for employment is to reduce the But when opportunity arises I shall hours of work and to increase shifts not be found wanting in the ability to and my hon. friend, Shri Ugra Sen, criticise what should be criticised. with his usual gusto, which I admire, But at the moment I .shall steer away went to the extent of saying—I am from such criticism. (Interruptions). saying some thing good—that we Sir, as far as the emergency was con should not give up this idea or ignore cerned, as I said, it was an abnormal this idea because, capitalists may be state of affairs. During the Emer against this idea. There is no danger; gency, it looked aa though a long dark there is no fear that we will accept night of agony was setting over the or reject any idea just because capi country. The fundamental rights talists are in favour or against any of the people of India came idea. We shall examine this* iciea. under attack. They di.sappea- red in an eclipse. The rights of It is true that this idea, as my hon. workers also came under attack. My friend Shri Ram Dhari Shastri said hon. friend, Mr. Rajan', yesterday said yesterday, has been suggested by the that the first shots in the Emergency Royal Commission as well. We will were fired against the workers. I €xan:ine this idea and if it is found think I am not misquoting him. I do 199 D.G., 1977-7a— JULY 12, 1977 Min. of Labour 200 [Shri Ravindra Varma] Governments to see that this form of victimisation is corrected. Then, apart not want to remind hon. Members from the State Governments and about the unpleasant things that hap the Central Government and the pub pened. The attack on workers started lic undertakings, we have also the with the Railway strike and the man private sector over which the Govern ner of attack, may I be permitted to ment does not have complete con say, was ruthless, if not barbarous. The trol, does not have any control at all attack on workers started with the in a sense, but there one has to use days of the railway strike. There the machinery that is available to one were attacks on the rights of workers and the go^d offices that can be us'd in the Emergency, and many things by the Ceniral and State Govern happened. Many workers were re ments. This too is being done. The trenched, many workers were victi hon. Member raised certain questions mised. They were victimised for the about the employees.., . (Interm v- sin of protesting against emergency, tion s). of standing for human rights, and standing for the rights of workers and DR. HENRY AUSTIN: I want to the rights of trade unions for draw your attention to the very pain which millions of people have fought ful situation obtaining in my consti and suffered all over the country. tuency. 2000 workers of the HMT are They were arrested. They were re on strike. Today is the 22nd day. I trenched, their services were termina know the hon. Minister is taking m- ted and the services of many peo terest; I should like to appeal to him ple were terminated because some "U8- that with his goodwill he should try pected or dreamt that they belong to make a settlement someway. Two' ed to some organisation that some private sector companies, the Punalur body in authority frowned on (In ter paper nrills and another Gionavala ruptions) But, Sir, it is a fact that Binny Co,, are also under lock out.. as soon as our party came to power. (Interruptions). We took steps to see that the funda mental rights of trade unions and workers were restored, we took steps SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA; In ans to see that those whose services were wer to my distinguished friend Mr. terminated during the emergency for Stephen, whose speech I missed in the political reasons were reinstated. (In debate ----- terruptions) I do not understand why the hon. Member, Mr. Sathe, gets perturbed when there is any re ference to the emergency. Now, as far SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: We are not as this is concerned, we have taken allowed to speak. steps to see that those whose services were terminated for political reasons SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: I know; are reinstated. I am sorry; I wmild have liked to listen to him. I may say that've are using our good offices to see that even in the SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: A re you private sector firms, victims are re taking steps to reinstate all the peo instated. With the coming into po ple? wer of popular governments m various states this process may be SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: I am accelerated and we hope we will be com ing to that. As far as the public able to meet with the same measure sector and the Central Government of success that we have met with in services are concerned it is within the public sector undertakings and our powers to issue instructions. We in the case of the central government have also sent circulars to the State employees. :20l D.G., 1977-78— ASADHA 21. 1899 (SAKA) Min. o/ Labour 202 Now, with regard to oar t-ltitude SHRI K. A. RAJAN: The Kerala lowards trade unions, soon after our government has already scrapped it. government took charge we appre- x:iated that it was necessary for us to Shri. Ravindra Varraa: have the fullest consultation with as our attitude to trade unions i" con authentic trade unions before we for cerned, I wish to avail of this oppor mulated our policies. Therefore, we tunity to say a few words. decided to revive the tripartite con sultative machinery which unfortuna Sir, we believe in the solidarity of tely, for one reason or another had the working class. The strength of been put in cold storage for over six any working class movement lies in years. That again is a matter of the unity of the working class. We regret as much to my hon. friends on want the movement to be strong. It that side as to Members on this side. should use its strength with a fall All of us believe in the role and effec sense of responsibility to the workers tiveness of the tripartite machinery. as well as responsibility to the com India has made a significant con munity at large. We do not want to tribution even in the ILO because of subscribe to the policy of ‘divide and the fact that it has made effective use rule’. We will not seek any partisan of the tripartite machinery. But un ends or any political dividend by fortunately this machinery was put dividing the trade union movement. in cold storage. So we thought it was We do not want to adopt the policy necessary for us to revive and resus- of bolstering any particular Central t;itate this machinery so that we may Trade Union Organisation irrespectivo consult everyone and identify the of the support it enjoys from th(? maximum area of consensus before working class. Trade Unions shoukr we embarked on any legislation in re seek their strength from the worker:?, lation to labour. It was also neces from the services they render to the sary for us to do away with some workers and not from the [Shri Ravindra Varma] per cent, we would be able to reduce the number. Even that will be an strerxgth of our tracie union m ove- advance on what obtains today. n-.etit. I do not want to enter into a discussion on the reasons for the mial- tiplicity of trade unions. But it must Secondly, I come to the question of be admitted that this m;il*.iplicity has recognition. As hon. members poin created enormous problems fo’ tlie ted out, it is crucial to the whole workers, for the employers snd for question of labour relations and in the Governments as well. What is dustrial relations. What is the pro amusing about it and what is tragic cedure for the recognition of a union? about it is the fact that all the three Here again unfortunately, there is no sections say that multiplicity is bad central law on this question. There is and even so we have not been able only a code of conduct, an under to steer clear of the evils of multipli standing on the basis of which verifi city. There are many reasons for tnis. cation takes place and recognition is As I said, I shall not go into these given. There is nothing which com reasons. However, one of the reasons pels recognition. I wish to make certainly relates to the rules and this point clear because often times practices governing the registration we hear complaints that the manage ment does not recognise any union. If and recognition of the tradp uriio!»s. we had a central law which compel led the recognition of unions, this My hon. friend, Mr. Chitta Basu and situation might not have arisen. There some others including Mr. Rajan is no central law on this question', and who made a very brief but eloquent it is a lacuna. speech, referred to the difficulties arising out of the present la^vg or practices relating to registration and SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola); recognition. This is a field in which There are State laws. w e have to make close scrutir^y and some method must be found to cut this SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: Yes, Gordian knot. It has become a Gor- like the Bombay Industrial Disputes dian knot. How can we cut it"> Act. There are two or three wavs which SHRI K. A. RAJAN (Trichur): It are under discussion currently. Today is a black law; we do not accept it. according to the Trade Unions Act, as hon. Members are aware, any seven SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA; It is workers can register themselves f.s a necessary to have a look at this ques union irrespective of the size of estab tion of recognition. One method sugges lishment, irrespective of the number ted is verification of membership which of workers working in ^he establish is done when there is a dispute as to ment with the result that there ip a which union' should be recognised. direct incentive for multiplicity, whe Another method suggested has been ther it be on political basi.i or caste a secret ballot, to which mor,j than basis or whatever it may be. This is one hon. member referred yesterday. a matter which has been studied by There are some advantages in one the National Labour Commission and system, and some advantages in the other Committees. There must be £ other system. I do not want to pro solution to this. Can it not be that nounce on this question because this the solution lies in the wav of pres is a matter which the committee that cribing a certain percentage of the Is being appointed according to the workers of an establishment as an decision of the tripartite conference essential pre-requisite fo- regiatra- will look into. However, I ■w'ould like lion. Now, if it is possible for us to to draw the attention of the House to have 10 per cent. 15 per cent or 20 a third proposal which that committee 205 D.G., 1977-78— ASADHA 21. 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Labour 206 I will be considering and that is some and delays, etc., I agree with the cri what en innovation. That is preci ticism that has been levelled against sely the reason why I want to state the present situation as far as the it in the House. Industrial Disputes Act is concerned. The proposal is that all the work My hon. friend, Mr Ravi, who made ers or employees of a particular in a very impassioned speech and re dustrial establishment should be re ferred to me as ‘my erstwhile friend’,— garded ipso facto as members of a if that is a fact, I am very sorry. I union which will be recognised as the still consider him as a friend. I do bargaining agent for collective bar not think he meant what he is report gaining in that establishment. Work ed to have said. ers will have the option to opt out of membership, if they want. But other SHRl VASANT SATHE: He meant wise, ipso facto it will be taken that erstwhile colleague. every worker is a member, and this union will be the agent for collec SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR: He tive bargaining. This will not i:i any meant, erstwhile ijuru. way prevent or inhibit the rights of the workers to form other trade SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I said ‘My unions for activities which may not old friend’. be confounded with economism. If I may use that word, like workers’ edu SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: I must cation, quasi-political or political ac regret the steep fall from grace. tivity or any other activity. But the Yesterday he pointed out to the lacu knotty question, the thorny question, nae in the Industrial Disputes Act before us is the identification of a and the conciliation processes that bargaining agent. For that, there will obtain today and said that there is be this union. If for any reason the nothing to compel the management number of persons who opt out is to attend conciliation proceedings. large enough, one can think of a col He is right. This is one of the many legiate agent for collective bar shortcomings in the Industrial Di.^- gaining. These are some of the putes Act and we have, therefore, de proposals that are being studied cided to set up a tripartite commit by the committee. I do not want tee which will go into the question to anticipate the decision of the com of the respective roles of the ma mittee. I only wanted to mention that chinery in the Plants to settle dis these are the three or four proposals putes of the individual workers on that are being studied by the commit the spot so that they may not become tee which has been set up by the tri festering sores later, on, the machin partite conference. ery for concilitition, the machinery for adjudication and the machinery Sir, I will move to industrial rela for arbitration and the hierarchical tions. I see that I am racing against system of tribunals to which also re time at this moment. My distinguish ference was made. The Committee ed colleague the Home Minister is al appointed after the discussions in ready waiting in the wings and I shall the Tripartite Conference will go into be brief. About industrial relations, these questions, and it is on that basis many hon. members pointed out to that I said earlier that we hope to the lacunae in the Industrial Disputes introduce a comprehensive Bill on Act. I wish I had the time to go into industrial relations in the winter Ses this question at length. I entirely sion. Almost all the hon. Members agree with whatever was said from who took part in the debate yester either side of the House on' the ques day underlined the need for a com tion of the present procedures and prehensive Bill which will bring to laws being time-consuming, being gether different pieces of legislation such as encourage further litigation which exist today, streamline them. 207 D.G.. 1977-7&— JULY 12, 1977 Min. o / Labour 208 [Shri Ravindra Varma] When I referred to this, I also want ed to say that such Acts as the In remove shortcomings and lacunae and dustrial Disputes Act, the Trade put forward simple, direct procedures Unions Act, the Standing Orders, which are not tilted in favour of the the Code of discipline evolved by management, but tilted in favour of the Indian Labour Conference as well the workers, the exploited who need as the points the hon. Members raised the support of the State. Our about definition of workmen, and attempt, therefore, in this compre industry, all these will be considered hensive legislation will be to bring by this committte; and I hope the forward such a measure and I do hope report and the legislation we bring that it will be possible for us to bring forward will be satisfactory to the forward this legislation in the winter hon. Members opposite as well. Session. Some reference was made to ihe I will turn now to the question of public sector. My hon. friend, Mr. W'orkers’ participation. This govern Ravi was quite dramatic, I think, in ment is committed to the idea of an effort to provoke me when he w'orkers participation. I know th'.t said that the Labour Minister taday for quite some time, there have been will find that an Under Secretary in proposals about workers’ participa the administrative ministry can veto tion: and as some hon. Members from his proposals. Whatever might nave the other side, said yesterday, some been his motive in putting the matter of these proposals were more for par in that way, there is no doubt that ticipation, in increasing production the practice in the last few years has and productivity, rather than for par been that the Labour Ministry con ticipation in management. We do lot sults and gets the approval of the propose to throw dust in anybody’s administrative Ministry before refcr- eyes. When we talk of participation ing disputes for adjudication. This is in management, w e believe in it. .Vo a legacy of the past. W e shall .tov- believe in a system in which work tainly examine this situation and I ers will have their full share of par can assure the hon. Member that most ticipation in increasing productivity, of the Ministers directly concerned and in receiving their share of the with administrative Ministries of this increased productivity, in manage kind are people who have had Ion? ment as w ell as in equity. Our mani meritorious and distinguished record festo has clearly stated that we be as trade union workers and leaders lieve in promoting the participation and, therefore, j have every hope that of worker.s in management qs well as there will be no dual policy, as Tar equity. Therefore we propose again as this Government is concerned,—in to stuHy this question very carefully, relation to the private sector and the because we are not satisfied with public sector. make-believe schemes and half-way houses. This is not a simple ques tion. I wish I had more time, be SHRI N. SREEKANTAN N AIR: We cause many devices have been used have to wait for 6D days before you in the past, not in this country qlone, decide whether it should be referred hut in other countries too with vary or not, and then place it in cold ing measures of success, but also ex storage. Is it fair? Does it not go posing various dangers in this Dro- ngainst Article 14 of the Constitution? ct-ss. Therefore, one o f the com m it tees that the tripartite conference has SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA; There set up. deals particularly with the is no question of cold storage. We question of workers’ participation; are working in warm weather stream and there are distinguished represen- ing sweat and the rain. t^itiveq of the trade union movement, 309 D.G., 1977-78— ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Labour 210 employers, public sector units and of I am not referring to it, I shall at the government working in this com tend to every point that they have mittee, which will report to us on raised during the debate, and see workers’ participation. On the 'oasis that whatever remedial or corrective of this evaluation and assessment, and or supplementary action is necessary definition of the kind of procedure is taken, on this question, if I do not that we should have for participa wax eloquent on this question it is tion, from the plant level upto tne not because of lack of feeling, but Board level as hon. Members "taid because of lack of time. yesterday, we hope to bring forward proposals for legislation. On the question of bonded labou.r, some remarks were made yesterday. SHRI VASANT SATHE: What about It was pointed out that the numbers allowing workers to run some of the specified in the Report was unreal. sick units? My distinguished friend and com SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA; I will rade, Shrimati Ahilya Rangnekar, also come to it. I wish to say something made some interesting observations on about unorganized labour. It is very the Report, that it referred to the 20- clear, as the hon. Members particu Point Economic Programme and what larly from this side of the House not. I smiled when she made those said—when I refer to some Members observations because, in a sense, she I am not inviting them to stand up was right. These things are referred and shoot a question at me; other to in the Report. But I must point wise I will have to continuously be out to her and the House that the looking at you. Sir. since there is Report is a report of the activities no danger of your standing up and that took place. It is not a state shooting a question at me— and it was ment of intentions or a manifesto that pointed out with great emphasis—and we are placing before the House or I have already referred to this ques on the Table of the House. So, :h«se tion—that we must devote attention things were referred to in the Report. I0 the unorganized labour in the rural areas. Unorganized labour, con As far as bonded labour is '-’ori- sists mainly of rural workers, agii- cerned, unfortunately, many States cultural workers, contract labour, have replied that there is no bonded “Dadari” labour—to which no refer labour in their States, although it ence was made probably because no must be admitted that it is the ab body from Orissa spoke yesterday— sence of a proper survey and a pro construction workers and others- This per effort to identify the disguised government has proceeded to ratify forms in which bonded labour exists the ILO’s convention on rural work that makes the States write back and ers’ organizations, because we believe say that “there i.'; no bonded labour that unless there are organizations of in our State.” For instance, one rural workers, it will not be possible State said that there were 37 work for them to achieve the degree of ers whcwwere bonded labourers < I't improvement in their standards of of whom 36 had been rehabilitated. living or social security that workers But one of the hon. Members oppo in the organized sector have achieved. site, who came from that very State, It is, therefore, necessary to devote pointed out to the continued existence attention to the organization of rural of bonded labour in some disguised workers. forms in his State. For want of timo, I cannot go into this question again Unfortunately, for lack of time, I at length, but I only want to assure shall not be dealing with the ques this House that we are in touch v/ith tion of contract labour. But I want the States to see that proper surveys to assure hon. Members that though are taken up to identify the disgui.3ed 211 D.G., 1977-78— JULY 12, 1977 Min. of Labour 2E2. [Shri Ravindra Varma] are at the moment considering this question, along with the Department forms of bonded labour and tliat of Banking, to see what kind of ins efforts are made to liberate them titutional arrangements can be made and rehabilitate them and to ensure to provide consumer credit, consump that they do not relapse into bond tion credit, to workers. We are also age. considering legislation to deal with this question to ensure that they do SHRI V AY AL A R R A V I; What is not become victims of usury. wrong that is mentioned in the Re port for which you had to exp"t.ss regret? One of the Jady Members Now I come to the question of safety mentioned about this programme and in mines and the working conditions you expressed regret. I do not under in mines. This is a very important stand why you expressed regret. question, and this Government has SHRI RAVINDRA VARMA: I do given top priority to this question. not remember about what I expressed We convened a conference of all :hose who are connected with safety in regret. I regret some things and I mines, including the representatives of like some things. I do not know trade union organisations. i must whether 1 have said anything about tell the House that this was my regretting anything in regard to the hon. Member. the first time that the repre sentatives of trade union orga Now I come to the question of so nisations were also invited to the cial security. i must be permitted So conference on safety in mines. The go fast for want of time. The hon. Conference has examined this ques Members yesterday referred to social tion, and We have revived the Com security schemes like ESIC, provident mittee of Review and have made it fund, gratuity, family pension ctc. obligatory for this Comnryttee to meet I will be excused, I hope, if I do not and review these measures and the go into each of the arguments advan implementation of these measures in ced and the questions put, for want the mines every three months. of time. But I will consider every one of them. My hon. friend, Shri Ravi particularly referred to the ques Reference was made yesterday to tion of exemption from the ESIC. the Chasnala tragedy. I have already This is a question that many hon. placed on the Table of the House the Members have raised. But one has Report of the enquiry into the acci to realise that in any social security dent in Chasnala as well as other .scheme, or insurance scheme, there has mines. There is no doubt at all thot to be a kind of pooling of risks and the court of enquiry has found some resources. That is how insurance officers guilty of negligence. As *he works. Subject to that, of course, I hon. Members know, when such a will consider all the points that my report is submitted, there are throe hon. friends opposite as weli as on types of action that can be taken. this side of the House have raised. One is in relation to breaches or in fringements of the Mining Act for Then there was a reference to the which the Labour Ministry is res indebeledness of workers. It is a ponsible; another is the action that fact that some surveys have been the State Government take in regard conducted in this regard. They have to any culpability; and the third is revealed a high degree of indebted the action taken by the administra ness, particularly among the colliery t i v e Ministry concerned. My hon. end plantation workers. That does and distinguished colleague, Mr. Pnt- not mean that there* is no indebted naik who is present here, referred to ness elsewhere. These are particular this question in the course of the ly vulnerable sections of labour. We debate on the Demands for Grants ^13 D.G, 1977-78— ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Labour 214 of the Ministry of Steel and Mines. see that such a Wage Policy forms He said that on this question we part of an overall policy on incomes propose to get in touch with the lea and prices. One can carry convic ders 01 tne opposition parties and lo tion with the workers about the n^ied examine the reports that have been for restraint in putting forth claims presented. As far as the Labour Min for higher wages only when similar istry is concerned, we have given the discipline is apparent in the distri utmost consideration to these reports bution of profits and dividends, in the which have been presented by people salaries and perquisites, and seen and with judicial experience, and what unseen incomes of those who are dej- ever action has to be taken will be cribed as Executives or the CaptaLis taken, because we do not want the of Industry. impression to go round that because » of nationalisation we are not concern The question of National Wage ed with culpability as far as igno."in" Policy, as the House is aware, is re rules regarding safety ’are con- ceiving careful attention at the high- cerntd. Safety first is essential ue- e.st level. Tnis is not a subject '’on cause as far as the miners are con which a policy statement can be made cerned, they are exposed to 3r°at in a hurry because, as the House is hazards, and if the Government and aware, it deals with many aspects of the Ministry of Labour cannot pro wages, incomes and prices. A con tect workers who are working so deep certed policy in this regard i^ being down in the mines against these formulated and when it is ready, it zards, the Government must be con will certainly be placed before the demned. We, therefore, do not pro House. pose to invite such condemnation. We will see that the utmost attention is I shall refer to the sick mills in pass paid to the question of safety, and we ing. My distinguished colleagues, the .shall ensure that rules regarding Minister of Commerce and the Minis safety are strictly followed. ter of Industry also referred to this question. We are concerned with it Some questions were raised about primarily from the point of view of wage policy. Our Government hns ensuring that workers do not get dis declared its intention to formulate a employed or retrenched. We shall, comprehensive National Policy on therefore, work in unison with the Wages, Incomes and Prices. A Wage Ministry of Commerce and the Minis Policy can be realistic and meaning try of Industry to see that wherever ful only when it is a part of an inte possible, sick units are re-opened grated policy on incomes and prices. with the help of ^ancial institutions A Wage Policy certainly has to take and under the management of wor into consideration the need to ensure kers, if possible. This was a sugges minimum wages to all workers in tion which some of the Members cluding unorganised workers in the opposite also made yesterday. rural areas. It ha.s to ensure that workers receive a legitimate share of Comrade Ahilya Rangnekar talked the profits that accrue from produc about discrimination against women. tion and increase in productivity. It This Government does not believe in has to rationalize wage differentials discriminating against anyone. and reduce disparities in a phased manner, to protect the real wages of The hon. Member yesterday refer workers, to avoid providing incentives red to a certain Circular or order for the adoption of capital-intensive issued by the Madhya Pradesh Gov processes, to provide incentives fo’’ ernment about bidi workers. I shall higher productivity and acquisition of certainly enquire into this question. I skills, and to eliminate malpractices have not been able to do so after the in the payment of wages. One can House rose yesterday, but I shall cer not over-emphasize the necessity to tainly look into this question and if 215 D.G., 1977-78— JULY 12, 1977 Min. o / Labour 2 I 6 [Shri Ravindra Varma] commences even in the southern most there is any discriminatory order, 1 parts of this great sub-continent. shall take the matter up with the Mr. Ramamurthy from the other Madhya Pradesh Government. side, referred to the WIMCO, bidi Then the question of police inter industries and crackers. I shall cer vention in the strikes was raised by tainly look into the que.stion that he my distinguished and hon. friend, Mr. raised and I shall get in touch with Ravi. I wish to say that unless a situ the Tamil Nadu Government to see ation deteriorates into a law and what can be done about it. order situation involving destruction I thinjk, I have covered most o f of plant, machinery and life, we do the main questions that were raised not think there would be police inter yesterday. If I have not done, it is vention. This is the policy of our not because I want to ignore any Government. point that was raised but because of* Then two other questions were lack of time. raised. One was about bonus, and the Many cut motions have been other was about the CDS. Let me take moved. Some hon. Members told me up the CDS first. My distinguished that they have moved cut motions and hon. friend, Mr. Chitta Basu, because that is the only way of draw made a significant and highly scho ing the attention of the Ministry to larly contribution when he raised the some shortcomings or grievances or point of wage freeze, price freeze, etc. some problems. Within the time at and I was delighted to hear his obser my disposal, I shall not be able to vations on this question. On the ques deal with each and everj' cut motion. tion of the CDS, somp suggestions But I say this that I have studied and were made in this House about inte I shall study every cut motion and rest rates as well as returning the take whatever corrective administra instalment that falls due, in cash. tive action J can take in reagrd to These, as the hon. Members know and the subject-matter of the cut motions. the House knows, are engaging the I shall conclude by, once again, attention of the Government and, thanking all the hon. Members from therefore, I am not in a position to all sides of the House who took part say anything more on this question. It in the debate. It shall be the attempt is primarily dealt with by my distin- of our Government to see that the /?uished colleague, the Finance Minis work of this Ministry leads to full ter. employment, to job security, to wage On the question of bonus, many security and to social security for the hon. Members said that I should make workers and to a real new deal for an announcement here and now. I the workers of the country. I beg of wish I could have made an announce the House to pass the demands of the ment. But then this is a matter in Ministry. which there have been many zigs and zags of policy. I do not blame any MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: Now I one, but the pendulum has oscilated shall put cut motion No. 26 to the to such distances that it needs con vote of the House. The question is; siderable thought on all aspects of “That the demand under the head the question before a decision is Ministry of Labour be reduced to taken. We are in the process of doing Re. 1. so, and I do believe that before the festival season—to which my friend, [Failure to clear all dues of Mr. Ravi referred—it shall be the en workers of the money deducted deavour of the Government to see from them under the CDS. (26)]. that a Batisfactory decision is n'sde known “'before the festival season The Lok Sahha divided : ^17 D.G., 1977-78— ASADHA 21. 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Labour 2 l t ' AYES Murthy, Shri Kusuma Krishna DiTl9i«n No. 3] [13.52 hra. Naidu, Shri P. Rajagopal Ahmed Hussain, Shri Nair, Shri N. Sreekantan Narayana, Shri K. S. Ahsan Jafri, Shri Alagesan, Shri O. V. Patel, Shri Dwarkadas Patnaik, Shri Sivaji Balakrishniah, Shri T. Banatwalla, Shri G. M. Pradhani, Shri K. Basu, Shri Chitta Raj an, Shri K. A. Bhakta, Shri Manoranjan Ramamurthy, Shri K. Bhattacharyya, Shri Shyamaprasanna Rao,' Shri J. Rameshwar Bhuvarahan, Shri G. Rao, Shri M. Satyanarayan Rath, Shri Ramacha#idra Chandrappan, Shri C. K. Rathawa, Shri Amarsinh Chaudhuri, Shri Tridib Ravi, Shri Vayalar Chavan, Shrimati P. Reddy, Shri K. Vijaya Bhaskara Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao Roy, Shri A. K. Chettri, Shri K. B. Saha, Shri A. K. Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Seyid Muhammed, Dr V. A. Desai, Shri Hitendra Shinde, Shri Annasaheb P. Engti, Shri Biren Sinha, Shri Satyendra Narayan. Faleiro, Shri Eduardo Stephen, Shri C. M. Gogoi, Shri Tarun Suryanarayana, Shri K. Gopal, Shri K. Tirkey, Shri Pius Goswami, Shrimati Bibha Ghosh Tom bi Singh, Shri N. Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra Venkataraman, Shri R. ♦Hande, Shri V. G. , Haren Bhumij, Shri JalTer Sharief, Shri C. K. NOES Joarder, Shri Dinesh Kadam, Shri B. P. Arif Beg, Shri Kalyanasundaram, Shri M. Bal, Shri Pradyumna Kamakshaiah, Shri D. Baldev Prakash, Dr. Karan Singh, Dr. Barkataki, Shrimati Renuka Devi Khan, Shri Ismail Hossain Bateshwar Hemram, Shri Kolur, Shri Rajshekhar Birendra Prasad, Shri Krishnan, Shrimati Parvathi Borole, Shri Yashwant Krishnappa, Shri M. V. Brahm Perkash, Chaudhury Mahata, Shri C. R. Chandravati, Shrimati Mallanna, Shri K. Chaturbhuj, Shri Meduri, Shri Nageswara Rao Chaturvedi, Shri Shambhu Nath Mohsin, Shri F. H. Chaudhary, Shri Rudra Sen ♦Wrongly voted for ‘Ayes.’ 219 D.G., 1977-78— JULY 12, 1977 Min. of Labour 220 Chauhan, Shri Nawab Singh Munda, Shri Govinda Chavda, Shri K. S. Nathwani, Shri Narendra P. Choudhary, Shri Ishwar Nayar, Dr. Sushila Dawn, Shri Raj Krishna Negi, Shri T. S. Desai, Shri Morarji Parmar, Shri Natwarlol B. Dhillon, Shri Iqbal Singh Oraon, Shri Lalu Digvijoy Narain Singh, Shri Paswan, Shri Ram Vilas Fazlur Rahman, Shri Patel, Shri Dharmasinhbhai Ganga Singh, Shri Patel, Km, Maniben Vallabhbhai Gattani, Shri R. D. Patil, Shri Sonu Singh Govindjiwala, Shri Parmanand Patil, Shri U. S. •Gowda, Shri S. Nanjesha Patnaik, Shri Biju ■Goyal, Shri Krishna Kumar Patwary, Shri H. L. Guha, Shri Samar Phirangi Prasad, Shri Hazari, Shri Ram Sewak Hegde, Shri K. S. Hukam Ram, Shri Pradhan, Shri Pabitra Mohan . Jain, Shri Kalyan Raghavehdra Singh, Shn Jasrotha, Shri Baldev Singh Raghavji, Shri .Jethmalani, Shri Ram Rahi, Shri Ram Lai Kamath, Shri Hari Vishnu Baj Keshar Singh, Shri Rajda, Shri Ratansinh Kapoor, Shri L. L. Rakesh, Shri R N. Keasar, Shri Amrut Ram, Shri R. D. Kaushik, Shri Purushottani Kesharwani, Shri N. P. Ram Awadhesh Singh, Shri Ram Dhan, Shri Kishore Lai, Shri Ram Gopal Singh, Choudhary Kureel, Shri Jwala Prasad Ram Murti, Shri Kushwaha. Shri iRam Naresh Ram Sagar, Shri Mahale, Shri Harishankar Ramapati Singh, Shri Mahi X a l, Shri Ramjiwan Singh, Shri Maiti, Miss Abha Rodriques, Shri Rudolph Malhotra, Shri Vijay Kumar •Roy, Dr. Saradish Malik, Shri Mukhtiar Singh Mallick, Shri Rama Chandra Saini, Shri Manohar Lai Mangal Deo, Shri Sarsonia, Shri Shiv Narain Mankar, Shri Laxman Rao Satapfthy, Shri Devendra Manohar Lai. Shri Satya, Deo Singh, Shri Meerza, Shri Kazim Ali Shah, Shri Surath Bahadur Mlshra, Shri Janeshwar Sharma, Shri Rajendra Kunvar Mondal, Dr. Bijoy Shastri. Shri Bhanu Kumar ‘Wrongly voted tor ‘NOES’, 221 D.G., 1977-7&- ASADHA 21. 1899 (SAKA) Min. of Labour 222 Shastri, Shri Ram Dhari MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now we Shastri, Shri Y. P. take up Cut Motions Nos. 92 and 93, Sheo Narain, Shri .. .. moved by Shri N. Sreekantan Nair. Shall I put both of them together to Sheo Sampat, Shri ihe vote of the House? Sher Singh, Prof. Sheth, Shri Vinodbhai B. SHRI N. s r e e k a n t a n NAIR; Shukla, Shri Madan Lai Yes, Sir. Singh, Dr. B. N. Somani, Shri S. S. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I now put Cut Motions Nos, 92 and 93 to Suman, Shri Ramji Lai gether to the vote of the House. Swamy, Dr. Subramaniam Tiwari, Shri Brij Bhushan Cut Motions Nos. 92 and 93 w ere put Tiwary, Shri D. N. and negatived. Tiwary, Shri Ramanand MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Now we Ugrasen, Shri take up Cut Motion No. 105, moved by Varma, Shri Ravindra Shri Vayalar Ravi. Verma, Shri Chandradeo Prasad Verma, Shri Hargovind The question is: Verma, Shri Mritunjay Prasad ‘ “That the Demand under the Head Verma, Shri R. L. P. ‘Ministry of Labour’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” Yadav, Shri Jagdambi Prasad Yadav, Shri Narsingh [Failure to declare 8-1/3 per cent, Yadava, Shri Roop Nath Singh bonus to all workers. (105).]’ Yadvendra Dutt, Shri We shall follow the same procedure... Yuvraj, Shri Zulflquarulla, Shri SHRI N. SREEKANTAN NAIR; The usual procedure is to throw the doors MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: As per open and allow those Members who the computer table, the result* of the want to come in and those who want Division is Ayes 63; Noes 117. In to go out, to go out. any case, the corrections will be made; there may be a few here and there. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Yes. Let But, I think, the Noes have it, the the lobbies be cleared. That is the Noes have it, the Noes have it. The meaning of clearing the lobbies. Cut Motion is negatived. The motion was negatived. The Lok Sahha divided: •The following Members also recorded their votes; AYES: Shri S. G. Murugaiyan, Shri Gev. M. Avari, Shri Darur Pullaiah, Shri K. Kunhambu, and Dr, Saradish Roy. NOES: Sarvashri Charan Singh, R. P. Sarangi, R. K. Mhalgi, Hukmdeo Narayan Yadav, Dhanik Lai Mandal, Vinayak Prasad Yadav, Mahendra Narayan Sardar, V. G. Hande, Shiv Ram Rai, Bapusaheb Parulekar, Durga Chand, K. L. Mahala, Ram Prasad Deshmukh, Shrikrishna Singh, Dr. Ramji Singh, Shrimati Kamala Bahuguna, and Shrimati Rano M. Shaiza. Min. of Labour 223 D.G., 1977-7&— JULY 12, 1977 224 AYES Meduri, Shri Nageswara Rao Division No. 4] T14 hn. Mohsin, Shri F. H. Ahmed Hussain, Shri Murthy, Shri Kusuma Krishna Ahsan Jafri, Shri Murugaiyan, Shri S. G. Alagesan, Shri O. V. Naidu, Shri P. Rajagopal Avari, Shri Gev M. Nair, Shri N. Sreekantan Balakrishniah, Shri T. Narayana, Shri K. S. Banatwalla. Shri G. M. Patel, Shri Dwarkadas Basappa, Shri Kondajji Patnaik, Shri Sivaji Basu, Shri Chitta Pradhani, Shri K, Bhakta, Shri Manoranjan Pullaiah, Shri Darur Bhattacharyya, Shri Shyamaprasanna Qureshi, Shri Mohd. Shaft Bhuvarahan, Shri G. Rajan, Shri K. A. Chandrappan, Shri C. K. Ramamurthy, Shri K. Chaudhuri. Shri Tridib Rao, Shri J. Rameshwar Chavan, Shrimati P. Rao, Shri M. Satyanarayan Chavan, Shri Yeshwantrao - Rath, Shri Ramachandra Chettri, Shri K. B. Ravi, Shri Vayalar Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Reddy, Shri K. Obul Desai, Shri Hilendra Reddy, Shri K. Vijaya Bhaskara Engti, Shri Biren Roy, Dr. Saradish Faleiro, Shri Eduardo Saha, Shri A. K. Sangma, Shri P. A. Gogoi, Shri Tarun Seyid Muhammed, Dr. V. A. Gopal, Shri K. . Stephen, Shri C. M. Goswami, Shrimati Bibha Ghosh Sunna Sahib, Shri A. Haider, Shri Krishna Chandra Suryanarayana, Shri K. Haren Bhumij, Shri Tirkey, Shri Pius JaflFer Sharief, Shri C. K. Tombi Singh, Shri N. Joarder, Shri Dinesh Venkataraman, Shri R. Kadam, Shri B, P. Venkatswamy, Shri G. Kalyanasundaram, Shri M. Visvanathan, Shri C. N. Kamakshaiah, Shri D. Karan Singh, Dr. NOES Khan, Shri Ismail Hossain Arif Beg, Shri Kolur, Shri Rajshekhar Bahuguna, Shrimati Kamala Krishnan, Shrimati Parvathi Bal, Shri Pradyumna Krishnappa, Shri M. V. Baldev Prakash, Dr. Mahata, Shri C. R. Barkataki, shrimati Renuka Devi Malian ba, Shri K. Bateshwar Hemram, Shri 3*5 Dx:., lW7-7ft— ASADHA 31, WW (SAKA) Min. of Labour Borole, Shri Ya^want Malhotra, ghri Vijay Kxiiaar Brahm Perkash, Chaudhury Malik, Shri Mukbtiar Singh Chandra Shekhar, Shri Mallick, Shri Rama Chaitdra Chandravati, Shrimati Mandal, Shri Dhanik Lai Charan Singh, Shri Mangal Deo, Shri Chaturbhuj, Shri Mankar, Shri Laxm ^ Rao Chaturvedi, Shri Shambhu Nath Manohar Lai, Shri Chaudhary, Shri Rudra Sen Meerza, Shri Kazisi All Chauhan, Shri Nawab Singh Mehta, Sfari Pxasannldiai Chavda, Shri K. S. Mishra, Shri Jeneshwar Choudhary, Shri Ishwar Mishra, Shri S*iyanmaodan Mondal, Dr. Bijoy Dawn, Shri Raj Krishna Munda, Shri Govinda Desai, Shri Morani Deshmukh, Shri Ram Praaad Nathwani, Shri Narendra P. Dhillon, Shri Tqbal Singh Nayar, Dr. Sushila Digvijoy Narain Singh, Shri Negi, Shri T. S. Ganga Shri Oraon, Shri Lalu Gattani, Shri R. D- Gore, Shrimati Mrinal Parmar, Shri Natwarlai B. Govindjiwala, Shri ParaHUiand Parulekar, Shri Bapusaheb Gowda, Shri S. Nanjesha Paswan, Shri Ram Vilas Patel, Shri Dtiarmasinhbhai Goyal, Shri Krishna Kumar Patel, Km. Maniben Vallabhbhai G iUm , Shri Samar <»upta, Shri Kanwar Lai Patil, Shri Sonu Singh Patil, Shri U. S- Hawie, Bhri V. G. Patnaik, Shri Biju ♦Harikedr Bahadur, Shri Patwary, Shri H. L. Hazari, Shri Ram Sewak Phirangi Prasad, Shri Hegde, Shri K. S. Pradhan, Shri Pabitra Moha^ • Hukam Ram, Shri Raghavji, Shri * Jasrotha, Shri Baldev Singh Rahi, Shri Ram Lai Jethmalani, Shri Ram Raj Keshar Siaogh, Shri Kamath, Shri Hari Vishnu Rajda, Shri Ratansinh Kasar, Shri Amrut Rakesh, Shri R. N. Kaushik, Shri Purushottam Ram, Shri R. D. Kishore Lai, Shri Ram Awadhesh Singh, Shri Kureel, Shri Jwala Prasad Ram Dhan, Shri Kushwaha, Shri Ram Naresh Ram Marti, Shri Lyngdoh, Shri Hopingstorxe Ramapati Singh, Shri Mahala, Shri K. L. Ramjiwan Singh, Shri Mahi Lai, Shri Ran jit Singh, Shri Haiti, Miss Abha > Rodriques, Shri Rudolph 1459 L S —8. Min. of Labour 228 227 D.G., 1977-7&— JULY 12, 1977 Saini, Shri Manohar Lai Verma, Shri Mritunjay Prasad Samantasinhar, Shri Padmacharan Verma, Shri R. L. P. Sarangi, Shri R. P. Yadav, Shri Hukmdeo Narain Sardar, Shri Mahendra Narayan Yadav, Shri Jagdambi Prasad Sarsonia, Shri Shiv Narain Yadav, Shri Narsingh Satapathy, Shri, Devendra Yadav, Shri Sharad Satya Deo Singh, Shri Yadav, Shri Vinayak Prasad Shah, Shri Surath Bahadur Yadava, Shri Roop Nath Singh Sharma, Shri Rajendra Kumar Yadvendra Dutt, Shri Shastri, Shri Bhanu Kumar Yuvraj, Shri Shastri, Shri Ram Dhari Shastri, Shri Y. P. Zulfiquarulla, Shri Sheo Narain, Shri t^MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The re Sheo Sampat, Shri sult of the division iS; Sher Singh, Prof. Sheth, Shri Vinodbhai B. AyeS: 69. Noes 128. Shrikrishna Singh, Shri The motion was negatived. Singh, Dr. B. N. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER; Now 1 Sinha, Shri Satyendra Narayan put Demands Nos. 68 and 69 to the vote of the House. The question is: Somani, Shri S. S. Suman, Shri Ramji Lai "That the respectve sums not ex ceeding the amounts on Revenue Ac Swamy, Dr. Subramaniam count and Capital Account shown in the fourth column of the Order Tiwari, Shri Brij Bhtishan Paper be granted to the President out Tiwary, Shri D. N. of the Consolidated Fund of India to com plete the sums necessary to de Tyagi, Shri Om Prakash fray the charges that will come in course of payment during the year Ugrasen, Shri ending the Slst day of March, 1978, in respect of the heads of demands Varma, Shri Ravindra entered in the second column there-, of against Demands Nos. 68 and 69 Verma, Shri Chandradeo Prasad relating to the Ministry of Labour." Verma, shri Hargovind The motion was adopted. •The following Members also recorded their votes:— AYES: Shri Amarsinh Rathawa; NOES: Sarvashri Birendra Prasad,Motibhai R. Chaudhary, Shiv Ram Rai, Ram &gar Ramanand Tiwary, MadanLal Shukla, N. P. Kesharwani, Kalyan Jam Hanshankar Mahole, Dr. Ramji Singh and Choudhary Ram Gopal bingn. 329 ® 1977-78—Aftn. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) DjO.. 1977-78—Min. 230 ) of Labour of Home Affairs Demands for Orants, 1977-78 in respect of t h e Ministry of Labour voted by Lok Sabha Amount of Demand for Amount of Demand for No. of Name of Demand Grant on account voted by Grant Voted by the House Demand the House on 30-3-1977 I 2 3 4 Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Rs. Rs. Rs. Rs. MINISTRY OF L,\BOUR 68. Ministry of Labour • • 28,33jOOO — 56,67,000 • • 69. Laboar and Employjnent 2246,00,000 3,15.000 44,76,00,000 6,31,000 SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHBA: vention that during the Lunch Hour (Begusarai): May I bring it to the there would be no division and no question of quorum would be raised. notice of the House that the latest con vention is that during the Lunch Hour there would be no division and no 14 hrs. V question of quorum would be raised? M inistry of Home ArrAiRS Are we now^ departing from that con vention? . MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The House will now take up discussion and vot MR'. DEFUTY-SPEAKER: We hove ing on Demand Nos. 51 to 61 relating dispensed with the Lunch Hour. to the Ministry of Home Affairs for which eight hours have been allotted. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA: Demands for Grants, 1977-78 in respeci We decided to sit through the Lunch of Mivistry of Home Affairs submitted Hour and yet we developed the con to the vote of Lok Sabha. Amount of Demand for Amount of Demand for No. of Name of Demand Grant on account voted by Grant submitted to the vote Demand the House on 30- 3-1977 of the House I 2 3 ' 4 - Revenue Capital Revenue Capital Rs. Rs. Rs. MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 5 1. Mini&try of Home Affairs 87,62,000 1,75,24,000 • • 52. Cabinet • • • 64,73,000 1,24,45,000 .. 53. Department of Personnel and Administrative Re forms • • . • 2,73,08,000 3>83>84>ooo 54. Police • • • • 70,50,83,000 2,16,67,000 139,03,11,000 4.33.33.000 55. Census • • • • 1,26,79,000 • • 2,53.59.000 !4$ l D.G., I9rr«76—»in. JUtV 12. 1977 0^ ItOrM Affairs I -3 3 4 •56. Ot.iCT Expendiure of the Ministry of Home Affairs 52,34,16,000 19,39,58,000 104, 18,32,000 36,79.17.000 57. Delhi • . . . 4 4 -I3 >68 ,ooO 2 6 4 7,00,000 88,21,86,000 52.93.99.000 5S. Chandigarh • 6,51,58,000 3,13,76,000 13,03. 17,000 6,27,53.000- 59. Andaman and Nicobar Islands • • • 7,74>24>ooo 3 ,77,87,000 154 2 ,47,000 7 ,41,75.000 60. Dadra and Nagar Haveli • 78,96,000 70,04,000 1,57,92,000 14 0 ,09,000 6 1. Lakshadweep • • 1 ,52,34,000 52,13,000 3,04,69,000 1,04,25,000 MR. MPUTY-SPEAK®a;imm. Mem* has been traumatic in many ways. bers whose cut motions to the DematMls Never since 1947 has there been such for Grants have been circulated m«y, bitterness and tension, the whole body- if they desire to move their cut mo politic has been convulsed, and yet I tions. send slips to the Table within think the destiny of our nation has re 15 minutes indic^ling the serial num asserted itself and the collective Wis bers of the cut motions they would dom of the Indian people spoke throtigh like to move. the worWs greatest general elections and there Was a smooth a n i peaceful Dr. Karan Sini^. transfer of power. DR. KARAN 51NGH (Udhampur); nh v m irrrv («f^ ) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, the Home Mini.str>- has always occupied a crucial position in our national life because it deals with the problems of the internal JTtr trPT security, national integration, welfare ?ft I of minorities, of scheduled castes and scheduled tribes and surh other cru cial and critical areas of our national »T o ^ ^ lif** At any time in our history, it Is very important, but Sir, at this junc ture. when there has been an impor yfNTT t if tfrrTW I tant political transition and transfor- mstion. when the Indian National Con- I was saying that this smooth and gre-s which was the main vehicle for peaceful transition of power and our freedom stniggle and which pro- transfer has in a way been a very \’ided stability and leadership for thirty maior achievement of which we can all years after independence has for the he proud regardless of which party first time lost Its majority in the hon. we belong to, regardless of whether Hrnee and p rew coalition has assum our Party won or lost. Of course, all ed power, the Importance of the Home of u? won and that is why we are here Ministry become more than ever be in this House. But apart from that, fore ...... (Interruptions). It Is an it has been a very m ajor achievem ent Akall Janata coalition and Janata Party Whatever the verdict of history •will itself Is a coalition of many parties. be upon the events that took place in the last year and a half or two year* This transition has indeed been his of emergency, the causes leading-to 'tt, toric, and it must al o be sad tiiat il the positive and negative factors. 1 do 333 - 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Afoir* 234 not want to go into that. As the leader anybody who may be guilty. As of our Party and the Leader of the Kabir has said; Opposition, Shri Chavan, has said on the floor of the House that we have ffT*r#y said Kood-bye to emergency for good and rertainly, there is no question of ^ g; wir trying to defend any of the excesses that have taken place during the If anything wrong has been done, emergency. I must say that even if a certainly, we do not want to defend it fraciion of the reports that have been But, I would submit and I would urge published since March are correct, it is that the work of these Commissions indepd a matter of very great shame should take place in an atmosphere of to us. that Indian citizens should have freedom and it should not be vitiated been mistreated or tortured or ill- by an atmosphere of hysteria or witch- trealed whatever the facts of the thing hunting or innuendo or rumours. Let may be. This has been a very grave the CommtssiOHS function rapidly. In tragedy which nobody, no selt-respecf- fact, I wouM urge the hon Home Min ing or civilised individual, could «*\-er ister that these should not be unduly seek to defend. And it is clear in prolonged. Let us know what actually retrospect that two major things took happened. Let us know wiio was place. Censorship became self-defeat guilty and l«rt these enquiries be ing as a result of which a very serious brought to a conclusion. communications gap developed anr! many people who were even very close 14.07 hrs. to the government did not actually know what was happening in various r?rfRi D. N. TrwARY in the Chairl parts of the cmintry. And. it is also, i think, clear—if one may take a philo Having said this, I must now point sophical view—that the cardinal teach out that the record of the new Home ing of Mahatma Gandhi with regard Ministry M the last 100 dayis. defspite to ends amd means was disregarded at the brochure the Home Ministry has our peril. I think if there is one mis brought out, has not been impressive. take. a major mistake, that was made, Simply condemning the emergency, or that is that we forgot tl»is essential simply setting up commissions are no moral and ethical correlate between substitute for positive action. Sir, a ends and means. Even good pro number of very disturbing trends have grammes, even programmes of national developed since the General Elections importance and even programmes of which, if they are not checked tmme- va lo# for the future of tile natixjn werer^ diafely. can cause vety grave damage destroyed, were discredtted because of to the national fabric. ' the nne*B» used to impleme«rt those programmes, and I think this is an I will try briefly to place brfore this aberratiort wMoh hopefuBy will never hon Boose ^hat thMe various points ■again occur in the history of our nation. are. There i# first of all this Whole question of coirtinuing prlce-rlse. I am I must say, speaidn« personally and sure this hasi been dealt wtttof in the also for many hon Members "here, that Demands for OfMfts of the Finance we are happy »t the varkxre CoHimis> Ministry. It will be deait with when sions that the hon Honw Minister has the Finance BtH Ifr fhiAlly [Dr. Karan Singh] movement for egalitarianism. Gandhi- ji was in the fore front of this move prices come down this will happen and that will happen, have been of no avail ment. Many of the hon. members in and in fact, nothing has happened in this House also belong t© that era the last 100 days and prices have risen. when social reform, when the welfare Sir. in a country like ours where the of the weaker section of society was a economic level is low, where the very major preoccupation of our coun cushioning is very minimal, the cor try. With a great deal of difficulty relation between economic distress and the weaker sections were beginning to law and order is very close and direct. feel—some sense of security. Some Therelore, I think it is verj- essential sort of participation in society. Are that if law and order is to be main we going to allow a disasterous back tained satisfactorily, some positive, sliding? Are we going to allow a definite and effective steps have got I 0 situation where the people who are be taken very soon to stop, not only economically poor, the stronger to stop the spiral of rising prices bu( castes are allowed with impunity to to reduce it. If they can even bring trample upon the rights of minority the prices back to the level that was Or weaker sections? I would submit there when we left and gave up the that this is a matter of grave concern government, it will be a great achieve for the entire nation. It is not a party ment as far as the new Janata Govern problem. It is a national problem . The ment is concerned. Therefore, I would point I would like to make is this. If urge that this matter should receive one sees the large number of incidents top priority. It will be debated at that have taken place since lifting of some greater length when the debate the emergency, they seem to fall into on Finanf;e Bill comes up. pattern arfd that pattern is— the weaker, vulnerable and submerged sections are at the receiving end and Another very disturbing and tragic the more powerful section is at the situation that has developed has been giving end. This must stop imme the growing pattern of atrocities diately if our national fabric is not to against Harijans, tribals and weaker be totally destroyed. I hope the hon. sections of society since the General Home Minister in his reply wUl give Election. I have got a great deal of a categorical assurance that peoples material. I do not want to take too rights and liberties will be protected much time of the House. Other hon. regardless of class and caste. members from our side will also be speaking. If one looks into the inci So many judicial enquiries been set dents that have taken place, the grue up? There are still unemployed re some and tragic incidents that have tired judges, who must be available place for the last 100 days, they seem for further commissions. If necessary, to have taken place with greater why in cases like these Commissions rapidity. If you take, for example, are not set up? Why is the matter two incidents—the Belchi murders left to the local law and order machi and the Meerut incident—^the weaker nery? This is something which is sections of society are being terrorised really very disturbing and I am sure in broad day-light. People are being all sections of the House will share our thrown into fire. Tribals and Harijans sense of acute distress and agony at are being systematically terrorised by this tendency and at this trend which the stronger castes and classes. In must be reversed. this country there has been an uneven, Along with this special picture that fragmented and fractured Society has emerged, the j?eneral law and even since the dawn of our history. But in the last many decades we have order situation even in our beautifuT tried to spearhead some sort of a capita] city has deteriorated consider ably in the last .three montljs. Delhi. D.G. 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Affair» 238 237 at one had become virtually free of this sort of crime. You find now no day passes when some kind of re port regarding gruesome murder, day-light robbery, armed robbery, I have mentioned about the trend of abduction and so on, does not come in rising prices; I have mentioned about this capital city of Delhi which is the sort of attrocities being committed under the nose of the Home Ministry on the weaker sections of society; and of the Government of India. We are the deterioration of law and order in proud of Delhi being one of the most this very capital. There are some beautiful capitals in the world. Are other disturbing facts. After the sum we going to allow Delhi to be like mary dismissal of the State Assemb ' another beautiful city like Washing lies, in the elections that followed ton.? Washington is a very beautiful, there was, after 30 years, a movement but, my friends tell me, some of whom away from national parties towards I met that people cannot go out alone regional parties. This is true of the at night in Washington for fear of All India Anna DMK iu Tamilnadu; being robbed or being hit on their the National Conference in Kashmir; heads. People lock their doors at the Akali Dal in Punjab; the Com night because they are not sure of munist Party Marxist in West Bengal, safety. If they keep their doors open, although they have an international somebody may come in or murder philosophy, but the face that they them or loot the house. We do not have projected in Indian politics is want our city to become a beautiful of a regional party. I do not for a city where people cannot walk with moment question the patriotism of the sense of security. The law and order people belonging to these parties. They situation in the capital is deteriorating are as good if not better citizens and steadily. Just this morning we read patriots as all of us. But I wx}uld like another report of another murder that to make one point clear. After many took place. I do n ot want to mention thousands of years when Indian na names. Thig is something which must tionhood has begun to develop let us stop. When the Prime Minister says not in the heat of the momept forget that there should be freedom from the long corridors and vistas of Indian fear it does not mean that every cri history; let us not forget that unity minal should also be free of fear, in this country was something which , every murderer should also be free of eluded us for many centuries and we fear. faced this problem of fragmentation even in the days of Asoka, Akbar and Aurangazeb when after unity we found again that there was an attempt in ff mtr at disintegration. I am raising this point because I feel that this is a mat ter upon which the Union Home «TT, JT? SPT ?ft Minister will have to give special ^ «TT I t « n r w r attention. I Jrave one suggestion for 5ft ^nrrir rTrar | the Home Minister that he may consi der the immediate revival and reacti- m p m r ^ ^ i ?nn: visation of the Natibnal Integration Council. The NIC was set up when the first aggression took place,—the ftrtsfV jfft rft Chinese aggression—and after that it p r n 5r ^ i has been meeting occasionally.' The" % 3ft t M « n fr r time has nOW come in the context of the Centre-State politics for the Na f ^ ift irrfter tttt ft? K tional Integration Council to be reviv ed so that any type of wrong tendency 239 1977-78—Min. JULY 12, 1977 o f Home Affairs 240 [Dr. Karan Sihgh] Snr??T t SRTR on the part of the State is counterac ^ ^ ^ ted, so that despite the diversity the ^ I unity of the country is maintained, not only for today, but for the future. Sir, there is another point which I Sir, despite the clear-cut provision must make. It is also something in the Janata party manifesto for root which is not really a party matter. ing out defections, I am afraid the That is, what ig wrong with our recbrd of the Janata party during the police? Why is it that whenever an last lOO days is very dismal indeed. opportunity arises—whether it was Not only have defections been en during emergency—in Turkman couraged but there has been an open Gate—or whether it is in Faridabad, invitation to people to leave their the police has not covered itself with parties and to come over to the Janata glory. What was wrong with thetn? party in the States and in the Centre. Is it something in human nature? If Instead of setting up new normg of somebody gets hold of someone and political activity getting rid of the goes on beating by a danda and saying weaknesses of the past, this sort of ■maro’l Is there something wrong yawning gap between precept and with our police? Or is there some practice is sermething which ig most thing wrong with our recruitment and undesirable. This is evident in many our training or our motivation? What issues which hare developed during is it? 1 am not suggesting that in the last IW dhys. Although they were Faridabad any instructions were issu malting hi^ly mwal and highly pro ed that you should torture the worker. mising pronouncements that we should Why did it happen? Why has it hap have the Anti-Defeetion Bill and they pened even in earlier times? I do not wer* consulting Members, tho! 5e dis- think instructions were issued that cussibns ^»^e prolonged so that before this should be done. Something is the BUI comes you complete your pro- wrong with the entire law Mforce- cew o^ defectloin! So, Sir, I would ment machinery. su bm it ----- (rntemiptions). This is a very deep, psy<^ologkal THE MINISTER OF HOME AF and plriloBophical problan, H I n»ay FAIRS (SHRI CHARAN SINGH): say so. But, what is it? I would This was a suggestion of your own urge On the hon. Home Minister who collfeaguw. is a man of very considerable experi ence to try and get to the bottom of this. Why is it that our police are 9fttrr I like that? Our ani^ is daingt vevfeet ^ ly well. I know because I come from ’smr ^ t wh: ^ ^ ^ a State where ^ere are lakhs of ahn- ed persoonel Tbere wa* nfat a alhgte ^ ?rnT ?ft»f ^ !irr instaace,. tkat I can say, ia the la«t thirty years a t rape or of any type of "«rr ^ Iter: coei^^fon m fcrtFaaw^eiit o f ^ cfvilA^ popcdelicMi th « i Itas pl«e& W h r ^ ^ i»rf ^ is it that if something. happKis the polifce do not do behave propwly? It T O qr-, m w T w r 1 1 is v ^ y pMfuinfr: w ^ ^ irri^ -undiertake some fundtanentai restruc must remember that, in the national turing of the entire process, the en interest, we have got to develop in- tire structure of the police force whe teirigenefi, particularly when there is ther it is the recruitment or training reason t^ believe that there are ifc or motivation. "Wfiy is it that pow er number of Foreign Intelligent Agen is misused in this way? Why is it that cies functioning in this country. It the lower functionaries who should be becomes all the m ore important tlMt! the servants of the peoi^e, in fact, our intelligence agencies must func tend to become tormentors of thp tion with a certain degree of coordir- people? I think it ig a very grave natioH'. I have found from personai matter and I would expect that the experience that—particularly in tiie hon. Home Minister will look into this. bordw areas—the coordination is n/Ot This i^ ar fundamental thing. I am not as satirfactory as it might be. I wiH, blam ing one regime or iJie ottier xe- not go iniio this in greater d etail O t gime for this. Is i# that as a na course in 1971 our intelligence agen tion, lack in some national character? cies functioned very well. Let me re I do not know. But, it is a very pain call Sir, that even Shri Bhutto in his ful matter and I think it needs to be first broadcast admitted and said that looked into. Indian intelligence was go good that before a train would steam out of the Having s«d that, there is one force Lahore railway station they would to which I would like to pay a tribute know and they would bomb the La and that also comes directly under the hore railway station. It ig not as if Hone Minister. That is the Border I want to condemn the work of the Security Force. In the last 20 years, intelligence agencies. In the 1971 war I have travelled extensively on our intelligence agencies functioned borders nnd, in the last year or tw«, remarkably well but despite that I I have visitad dozens of establish would say that there should be better ments of the Border Security Force coordination between the intelligence On our borders. In many cases, s agencies, particularly in the border you are aware, the ftrst brnnt of any areas. attack ttort comes upon our country is borne toy the Border Security Force, There is another point which techni I have visited them at jrickets at cally perhaps comes under the Minis 10,000 Or 11,WM> feet. I have visited try of Rehabilitation but because it them iir the deserts. I would like vo deals Mrith law and order I would re take this oppcMtunity to pay a tribute quest the hon’ble Home Minister to- to th« oMeers and jawans of the Bor give same attention to this also. Ite der B**tirity Pbrces for the v ery ex 1971 the nation won very big vie^ cellent wark that tliey are doing in tory—a victory which- was greeted all safeguadtUna the interests of the coun over ibe countey as the greatest vic try. tory wMch this country has won. It Thw« ar* some other points is often forgolten tdtat tfie price of this wh^ch also e&tnt within the purview victory w«8 paid b y the 25;000 people of tll^ Hwhe Ministry, to which I wi?l beloo«in«t to t i » Chamto area which britfy retef. There is a question of remains under Pakistani occopation tire lutelligietiee Agencies in this coun and which- w« were not able to libe try. I am aware that this is a delicate rate. These ^ 0 0 0 peoplft o f Chamb^ matter, r win sitoply say that there area- are the people w h o with th eir are several Intelligence Agencies blood» sweat and tears have paid the RAW, IMellig'ence Bureau, Army In price for our great victory. telligence, State InteHigence and so on. One thfhg 1 find lacking often is ade quate e^onffnation between these vari ous Agencies, parUcularly, in tftft B o r ^ r Areas. After all, we f r o v m 243 1977-78—Afin. JULY 12. 1977 oi Home Affairs 244: [Dr. Karan Singh] ^ different. Scheduled tribes have cer tain special problems, particularly no cT?F f t , ^ ^ ^ ^ madic tribes. They need special attention. The Scheduled caste is a q r ^ T?T, 1 ^ ^ totally different type of problem. They JFt, ^ 2 5 ,0 0 0 are spread throughout the country; sn% «ni, 5rf^ wk 1 1 their problems are the result of centu ries of discrimination and oppressiari. Sir, to this day, I ain sorry to say. 1 would urge that when we are con»i- I am not blaming the present govevn- der^ng any amendment to the Consti ment—I ,im making a point—the re- tution, if necessary, this should be habilitatl>n of these Chamb refugees bifurcated and very special attention has not been completed. This is should be paid by the Home Ministry something which needs to be comple to the problems of Scheduled Castes ted. and Scheduled Tribes. Furth r, Sir. in 1947 some refugees came over from Sialkot and you will There are a large number of other be surprised to know that though matters. There are also many other their ihildien have reached the vot people On this side of the House and ing age yet they are dis-franchised. I want to give them full opportunity In the recent elections to the State to speak; I shall therefore not take too Assembly those thousands of people much time. I shall simply end with did not have the vote. They have the one appeal and that is, that there has vote for Parliament but they do not been enough bitterness and hatred m have the vote for State Assembly. S^ri this country over the last few years, Shanti Bhushan is here. I am sure he bitterness and hatred that has gone will take up this matter with the new deep down into the national psyche Government. It is very unfair. It is and that has tainted .ind poisoned the against all cannot of natural justice. very springs and roots of our nation. This is a problem which we had been I feel that a time has now come when agitating upon but which requires to we must move towards national re be looked into. conciliation. Let Us not forget that we, all of us, share this nation and all of Us in this House have been sent by the people to express their hopes, There is another matter which their urges and their aspirations. And comes under the Home Minist’^y, therefore, I think that as we did in the namely, the Commissioner of Sche case of the selection of the candidate duled Castes and Scheduled Tribes for the Presidentship, we should sum. and his Report. I have had the honour mon up our moral, intellectual and and privilege of being in, this House spiritual resources in the true tradi for the last ten years. I have noted tions of Mahatma Gandhi and Jawa- that whenever the Report of the Com^ harlal Nehru. We should wher missioner for Scheduled Castes and ever possible work for consensus.« Scheduled Tribes comes before the Wherever necessary there will House it is most unsatisfactory and it be diflferences but they should really is nOt fulfilling the purpose for be differences exoreased with dig which the Constitution set it uP. I nity and restraint. Simply recrimi would say that there should be, even nation, simply looking backward is if necessary b y amending A rticle 388, not going to help I can assure you a separate commissioner for scheduled that as far as our party is concern tribes and a separate commissioner for ed, the leader Is on my right, mem scheduled castes. Just to lump them bers of our party, we are also after together because the word ‘scheduled the experience of the elections seek is there is not good. It is a fallacy. ing earnestly and genuinely to re Tile problems of the two are entirely discover the spirit of Mahatma Gandhf 245 1977-7&—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Affairs 2J ^ and Jawaharlal Nehru; we are trying SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAIDU to re-establish our spiritual and our (Chittoor); I beg to move: ethical roots which have made our “That the demand under the head party great and enabled it to play such a magnificient role in the Indian 'Ministry of Home Affairs’ be reduced b y Rs. 100” destiny. I can assure that as far as we are concerned, we are going to [Need to permit writing in all try to move away from whatever national languages in the exami may have been the aberrations of the nations conducted by the Union past. As far as the ruling party now Public Service Commission ( 8)] is concerned, they have a great res - ponsibility; they have the control of “That the demand under the head the destinies o f 600 m illion people, a ‘Minisfry of Home Affairs’ be natibn that is destined to become one reduced b y Rs. 100” of the greatest in the world before the end of this century. I shall end [Failure to restore law and with a prayer, it is a prayer for re- order and arrest growing crime in corfcfTiation, for movin? together to New Delhi (9)] meet the problems of the nation, of “That the demand under the head the people, the real problems of •Ministry of Home Affairs’ be poverty, of unemployment, of disease reduced by Rs, IWy* and ignorance and illiteracy. Those are the problems and v/e have got to [Need to reduce Entertainment solve those problems in a cooperative and Hospitality Expenses (10)] manner. “That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be reduced by Rs. 100” [Need to strengthen Criminal Investigation and Vigilance ( 11 )] Wf II “That the demand under the head SHRI EDUARDO FALEIRO ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be (Mormugao) : I beg to move: reduced b y Rs. 100” “That the demand under the head (Need to give assistance to 'Ministry of Home Affairs’ be States to provide houses for all reduced to Re. 1” police people in all States (12)1 [Failure to instal popular and “That the demand under the head responsible Governments in seve ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be ral Union Territories (1)] reduced b y Rs. 100” “That the demand under the head [Failure of CBl to arrest smug ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be glers (1T51 ' reduced to Re. 1” [Failure to grv^nt Statehood to “That the demand under the head the Union Territory of Goa, ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be Daman and Diu (2)] reduced b y Rs. 100” [Failure of C.B.I. in arresting “That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be black markefeera (14) ] reduced by Rs. 100.” “That the demand under the head [Need for a uniform policy re •Ministry of Home Affairs’ be garding grant of Statehood to reduced b y Rs. 100” Union Territories and creation of TNeed to . [Shri P. Ra>agopal "Naidu] “That the demand under the head ‘Census’ be redaeed b y Rs. 100” “That the demand under the head [Need to strengthen computer ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be system for processing census data reduced b y Rs. 100” 't i f f ) ] [Need to strengthen Industrial “That the demand under the head Security Force so as to protect ‘Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ be, industries (16)] reflticed b y Rs. 100” “That the demand uader the head [Need to give mortj financial “Ministry of Home Affairs’ be assistance to Andaman and Ni«o- reduced by Rs. 100" bar Islands (48)] “That the demand under the head [Need to improve training to ‘Lakshadweep’ be reduced by Rs. train detectives (17)1 lOCf’. “That the demand under the head [Need to give more financial *Ministry of Home AiTairs’ be ^'assistance to liSkdiadweep (62)] reduced b y Rs. 100” SHRI RAM .lETHMALANI (Bombay- [Failure to mcdcinis': the Norlhwest): I beg to move: equipment in police station- and “That the demand under the head to provide \-ehicles to police ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be people (18)1 reduced by Rs. 100” [Failure to proseciiio the Cri “That the demand under the head minal Case against Mr. Sarrjsy “Ministry of Home Affairs’ be Gandhi by (a) allowing him to reduced by R b. 100" remain free to destroy evidence [Need to train more people in (BT Tnaking no adequate repre fire service (19)] sentation to Judicial Authorities • That the demand under the head in the matter of grantin? anti Ministry of Home Aflairs bt reduced cipatory bail (25)] by Rfi. 100 ’ “That the demand under the n employees who were forcibly re “That the demand under the head tired or whose services were ter ■‘Ministry of H [Shri C. K. Chandrappan] [Failure to provide remission of “That the demand under the head land revenue in Andaman District ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be where crop failed due to pest at reduced by Rs. 100” tack and cyclone (52) J “That the demand under the head [Need for reconsidering the ‘Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ be cases of thousand.s of people who reduced by Rs. 100” were denied jobs on the basis of police verification reports (39)] [Need to provide more funds for granting taqavi loans to the SHRI MANORANJAN BHAKTA farmers (53)] (Andaman and Nicobar Islands) : I l>eg to move: “That the demand under the head ‘Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ be “That the demand under the head reduced by Rs. 100 ’ “Ministry of Home Affairs’ be [Failure of law and order situ- ' reduced by Rs. 100” ation in the territory of Andaman and Nicobar Islands (54)] [Failure to provide schemes for gainful employment through land “That the demand under the head colonisation in Andamnn and ‘Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ be Nicobar Islands f40)] reduced by Rs. 100” “That the demand under the head [Need for allotment of land to 'Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ be the Nicobari tribals shifted from reduced b y Rs 100” Car Nicobar to Little Andaman (55 )] [Failure to provide Popular set “That the demand under the head up in the TTnion territory of ‘Andaman and Ninobar Islands’ be Andaman aAi Nicobar Islands reduced by Rs. 100.” similar to Arunachal Pradesh (4 9 )] r [Failure to provide adequate facilities to the Nicobari tribals “That the demand under the head (5 8 )] ' ‘Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ be reduced by Rs. 100” “That the demand under Ihe head. ‘Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ be [Need to extend Andaman reduced b y Rs. 100.” Special Allowance to all catego ries ot Government Servants in [Failure to allot agricultural . Andaman and Nicobar Islands ir land to landless agriculturists (57)1 respective of recruiting place and “That the demand under the head place of residence (50)] ‘Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ be reduced by Rs. 100” “That the demand under the head 'Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ be [Need to enhance the scholar reduced by Rs. 100” ship to students studying in main land institutions (58) ] [Need to grant remission of colonisation loans advanced for "That the demand under the head the rehabilitation of erstwhile East ‘Andaman and Nicobar Islands' be Bengal displaced persons in reduced b y Rs. 100” Andaman Islands (51)] [Failure to provide employ “That the demand under the head ment to the unemployed youths in ‘Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ the Andaman and Nicobar Islands be reduced b y Rs. 100” (5 9 )] ...... 253 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Afairs 254 “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head ‘Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ be ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re-. reduced by Rs. 100” duced to Re. 1.” [Failure to provide relief to [Discrimination in issuing or farmers affected by last cyclone ders of enquiry against the Chief (60 )] Minister of Congress State “That the demand under the head (104).] ‘Andaman and Nicobar Islands’ be “That the demand under the head redu ced b y Rs. 100” ‘MiniS'try of Home AfTairs’ be re [Need to exempt charging of duced to Re. 1.” any land revenue from the hol [Continuous attempt to inter ders o f 2.02 hectare paddy ]and in the Andaman and Nicobar vene in the affairs of States which are against the federal Islands (61)] concept of our nation (105).] SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayini- k il): 1 beg I 0 m ove: “That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re “That the demand under the head duced to Re. 1.” ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duced by Rs. 100.” [Failure to control infiltration of [Failure to protect the Hari- R.S.S. into the entire Government jans from the atrocities (41).] service. (106)1 “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Home Affairs be reduc ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duced by Rs. 100.” ed to Re. 1.” [Failure to ensure protection [Failure to prosecute the cul prits and landlords for their to the minorities in the country (107).] atrocities against Harijans in the country (42).] “That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re “That the demand under the head ’Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duced by Rfi. 100.” duced b y Rs. 100.” [Failure to control the growing [Failure to maintain normal activities of the R- S. S. w hich x3 \against the national interest law and order situation in Delhi (108).] (43).] “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Hom^ Affairs’ be re “Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duced by Rs. 100.” duced b y Rs. 100.” [Failure to give protection to [Attempt to give respectability opposition party workers from to R. S. S. the para millitary the attack of the ruling party organisation and threat to the (44).] national unity and integration (109).] "That the demand under the head ’Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re ‘That the demand under the head duced to Re. 1.” ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duced by Rs. 100.” [Continuous attempt to topple the democratically elected State [Failure to check the political Government like Assam, Karna voilence in different parts of the taka and Andhra. (103).] country ( 110 ).] ; - a^55 1977-78—Min. JHUY 12, 1977 jof Home Affairs 2^6- [Sbiu Vaylar fiavi] ‘That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Hem^ A'ffafa’s’ b e re “That the demand under the head duced by Rs. lOO!” ‘Min’stry of Home Affairs’ be re [Failure to protect the lingui duced by Rs. 100.” stic minorities in ttie country (118).] IjPassive attitude towards the ‘That the demand luider the head political voilence against Con 'Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re gressmen in defTerent parts of duced by Rs. ieo." the country ( 1 1 1 ).] [Failure “That the demand imder the head [Failnce to respect the feelings ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re of th^ people of non.Hindi duced to IRe. 1 .” speaking States ( 112 *).] [Decision to withdraw the cases “That the demanj under the head of corruption against Shri P. S. ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re- Badal, the Chief Minister of -duced by Rs. 100.” Punjab while issiring orders of enquiry 'against ihe -Congress [Determination to impose Ministers (139^).] Hindi on non-Hindi peaking people (113).] “H iat t h e demand imfler the head ‘Ministry of Ucoe Affairs’ be re “That the demand under the head duced to Re. ir ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re- ■duoed by Rs. 100.” rOiscrimnMction in mthdraw- ing corruption cases against the [Failure to arrest the culprits Punjab Chief Minister RlwH P. S. committing atrocities against Badal, during President’s rule Harijans (114).] in Punjab (140).] SHRI M. KALYANASUNDARAM ‘That the demand under the head (Truchnapalle): I beg to move; ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re ‘That the demand imder the head duced by Rs. 100.” ‘Ministry o f Home AfTairs’ be re [Failure to ensure security to duced by Rs. 100.” the citizens of Delhi (115).] [Need to release all political prisoners including Naxalites “That the demand under the head and withdrawal all pending •Ministry of Homg Affairs’ be re cases against them (^iS).! duced by Rc. 100.” “That the demand linder the head [Failure to project the Harijans ‘Mini&trv of Home AJfairs’ be re in the country (116).] duced b y Rs. 100.” ‘That the demand under the head [T^eed to commute death sen ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re tences Against Naxaliteg (‘69).] duced by Rs. 100.” “That the demand under the head •Ministry of Horae Affairs’ be re [Failure to control the aggres duced b y Rs. 100.” sive violence gainst the Harijans in different Parts of the country [Need to review the policy re (117).] garding official lenguages at the 257 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Affairs 258 Centre and the States, in the several States particularly in light of the assurance of Pandit Bihar and U. P. (94).] Jawaharlal Nehru that English w ould be continued as long as SHRI K. A. RAJ AN (Trichur): I the non-Hindi speaking people beg to move; desire it (71). I “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head ‘MiniS'try of Home Affairs’ be re ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duced by Rs. 100.” duced by Rs. 100.” [Need to eliminate the socio- [Failure to provide adequate econc nic disabilities suffered by protection to Harijans and other peopl; belonging to Scheduled Scheduled Tribes against the Caste; and Scheduled Tribes harassment and attacks by pri (73).] vileged sections particularly in the rural country-side ( 120).] “That the demand under the heac ‘P olice’ be reduced by Rs. 100.” “That the demand under the head [Need to have a Code of con ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duct i'or the police to give pro- duced by Rs. 100.” te.'iion to Harijans and other [Failure to set up a judicial weaker sections of the society inquiry into the incidents which again attacks from landlords took place in Belchi under the anti their agents (76).I false plea of “rivalry between “That the demand under the head two groups” ( 12 1).] ‘Other Expenditure of the Mini stry of Home Affairs’ be reduced “That the demand under the head by Rs. ion.” ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duced by Rs. 100.* (Need to extend the facilities and concessions given to Sche [Need to grant statehood to the duled Castes also to those who Union territories (122).] have converted to o^hv reli gions from the Scheduled Caste “That the demand under the head comnr unities (89).] ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re “That the demand under the head duced by Rs. 100.” ‘Other Expenditure of the Mini stry of Home Affairs’ be reduced [Need and political justifica by Rs. 100.“ tion in granting freedom fighters’ pension to participants in the [N« ed to rem ove the social Moplah rebellion in Kerala, a disab lities of Scheduled Caste p a r t c i f the freedom movement Christian by extending the pro (123).] visions of the Untouchability (Offences) Act to them (90).] “That the demand under the head “That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duced b y Rs. 100.” duced by Rs. 100.” [Need to grant freedom figh [Nejd to conduct a high-power ters’ pension to freedom fighters enquii y into reported cases of who participated in the Vayalar atrociiies committed on Harijans Punnapra rising in the erstwhile and other weaker sections dur princely State of Travancore in ing the Assembly elections in 1946 (124).] 1459 L S ..9 . J59 DO., 1977-78—Afin. JULY 12, 1977 of Home Affairs 260 IShri K. A. Rajan] "That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be “That the demand under the head reduced b y Rs. 100” ‘Ministry of Home Ailairs’ be re duced hy Rs. 100.” [Failure to take effective mea [Nec-d for reduction of the size sures to check smuggling, black- of the Central Police Force marketing, hoarding and im (125).] pound the monies ama.'ised by “That the demand under the head well-known smugglers (131).] ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duced t y Rs. 100.” “That the demand under the nead [Need to dispense with the ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re policy of police verification prior duced by Rs. 100.” to employment of Central Go vernment employees (126).] 1 Failure to take adequate r.teps “That the demand under the head to check the preventing of Hari- ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re jan voters from exercising their duced b y Rs. 100.” votes in the recent election^ to [Need to release all Naxalite the State Assemblies particularly prisoners unconditionally and in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, thus commute all sentences, includ denying them their fundamental right to vote (132).] ing death sentences on all con victed Naxalite prisoners, and withdrawal of cases instituted ‘ That the demand under the ht'ad against them (127).] •Ministry of Home Affairs' b ; redu “That the demand under the head ced by Rs. 100.” ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duced by Rs. 100.” [Increase in attacks on Hari- [Need to take steps to ensure jans m the past few months and impTtmentation o f the official^ need to give them adequate r,io- language policy at the Centre tect;un (133).] and the State gauranteeing that Engli&h w ould be continued as “That the demand under the head long iis non-Hindi speaking peo ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be r;-u- ple desire it (128).] ced by Rs. 100.” ‘That the demand under the head ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re [Need to set up adequate ma duced Vy Rs. 100.” chinery to root out corruption nnd [Need to institute steps for jail prevent corrupt practices in -ail refonnes, with a view to improv fields of public and economic ing conditions in jails and tnking activity (134).] measures to stop police torture of piisoners in lock-ups and jails “That the demand under the head (129) J ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be redu “That the demand under the head ced by Rs. 100.” ‘Ministry of Home Affairs’ be re duced b y Rs. 100.” [Failure to take steps to check [Delay in clearing all cases the harassment, torture and rape of app'icationii for freedom of women takm into police cus fighters’ pension (13D).] tody in Union territories (135).] 2 6 i D.G., 1977-7B—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Affairt 262 “That the demand under the hsad ^ ffWT ir % *TR ^JcTRT ‘Ministry of Home AfEairs’ ba redu W , ^ t^r^t 1 '%^ ’TT ^ I ced by Rs. 100.” ¥To ^ f?T^ ^ fr [Deteriorating law and Jidor situation in the Union territory of w k ?FTTPT «FTcn f ^ Delhi (136).] ' f?rq ^ rr t 5T? 'THTT I “That the demand under the ie?id "Ministry of Home Affairs’ b 2 ledu- ced by Rs. 100.” ^ f ® f - 1 9 56 n [Need to take stringent and sa KIR^T Jr 5 ,8 4 ,9 4 9 lutary action against all police 5l^?T sn% ir I i 9 6 0 and other officials responsible for it 6,06,363 I^T I 1965 harassment and torture of person.s taken into police custody in Union 7,51,615, 1970 it 9,55,422, 1973 territories (137).] it 10,77,171 ?fR 1975 *t 11 5 6 f^TR 3 9 2 I ^ ^ ^\i ^ 5f'T ?m TtJ 5T? T| «T ^ ?PTJT t irnfr t t TfV I, i f h Tf^JT ^ spfTt ^ ?TRT «TR^ fW^TPT ^ ^TTTT !T7% ^ ?T flT ^?th; ?T^Tf6T^ ?TIT3T^ t \ ST ITW: ^ JTiTTir % f^-nr «n ^ JTf^ j f ’ i r m W ^>11 ^fr ^ I I ^ r | T T f f ^tJTl ^ I ^9TT T^'V I iTf I I ^ iTR %-^n ^ I ?rrq ^ srf^ ir^ % fsfiT 1861 it 3)T riTT 3HT?n 5r^?i5!TT 'Tt 1950it i 4i ^^TPTT, ?TT^ '■fft ^ffr ^TpT ftr, 1960 it 157, 1965 ^ 5f5Tff % ?T^qTT ^r»T T|r I I 178.8, 1973 188 ^ ^ ^ ^TfTcr *TfT I !T*ft 3TC- ^otf^Tf ^TPSTTiT «r I ^ ^ ^5TT g cR ^ ^ 3 r m -i9 50 «r ^r^cT, 51 ^r ^R?T ^ ir "r : fW^TT if % H'lJT «TT 43 ^ 'T ? 18 rTra 42 ^ R 158 ^ 3 T ^ t %^ jfT# JTRt JTf I I 1966-67 ^ ^ ’RT 206 ?Tr3r ?rnT | 96?rni 2809, 1973-74JT 475 t *TFT % ^>1 28 5TTCr 30383 ?tY?: 1 9 7 5 -7 6 ^ - ^ R ; ^ W TT^ ^ >nn 6 8 9 I dr t f'S'^llMl ^iV'T STPRT 'srrpT I ^ ^Tf*T «n, s rk ^ SPR^ SPTT I ? ^ ^RRT ^ f t « r k ^ fcT ^ TfT «n ? gr^TR ^ ^ «rNTcTft«i% ?r ^ ^frT’iT # *rT5ft «ft, ^ % ITPRTT I ^ ?iT«rRwr ^ i 263 D.G.. 1977-78—Min. JULY 12, 1977 oj Home Affairs 264 fur, t wft 'R faR *prr «rr, ^ f t TK 5T»nrT ^ O ff ^ F *r ? T «TT I Jr ^ vrrfcf'^uf ?rd% ^ ffTsr^ ffr wft ^ ?fl% TT ?T>fV TTTTT »lt ? ^ % ^ ^ T ^ ^ f r irWfTJfT jft 'TT WRFT I ? T^ 5T»T % fsrq ^'t, f^-r^'T irqiTfTtfr m r r w ^ srr^ Tt^t ^ finrd^ ^'t 1 3T?; ^ frq^: ^ ^ ri ^ ?ff3rRT % sTT^ I -fw> ^ TT 35^^ fsffT I ^ *T % ^ ?ft% ^ '«rc3T^T 15TT I I 1 iT^: ^ gTT. ^ J.T7 TTir^^iTT ^ 5rq-Tmt ^ I 18 6 1 ^ I ^ ?5rT^ X ^ t I ?TPT ^S'TTT OTTT 5 ^ f?n- t f r ^'Tt it 5f^ ?rfERT^ JTT t I # 2 4 stJ % i\T > X I I ^ M g ^iriTcr ^T m ? r r ^ JTF7 ^ m x ffi irrar | ^ ^ 'm fs T I I f*TWT m 5RTJTT ST 'Tfcft || f% 5f^ i t ^ TtfiPT ^Ft 11 ^ ^fwnf^ JTT isr^sryT»T ^ tTHgimH ^ t^ >%?r i t 5^ ^ f? 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It was (4) financial administration; headed by Shri Morarji Desai, to start (5) personnel administratio i; with. But, when he was elevated to the position of Deputy Prime Min ( 6) economic administration; ister in 1967, his place was taken by my hon. friend, who is no more in (7) administ -ation at the Stgto this House, Shri K. Hanumantha;ya, level; . who becam e a Minister later on in the (8) district administration, , Union Cabinet. The other Members of the Commission, were Mr. G. S. (9) agricultural administration; Pathak, who also had to leave ihe and Commission because he became a Min ( 10) problems of redressal of ister; Shri H. C. Mathur, who has citizens’ grievances. since passed away; Shri B. Mukher- jee, formerly a Member of the tlajya Some of the issues to be examined Sabha; Shri Tribhuvan Narayan under each head are listed in detail Singh, who is also no longer in Par below: . ...” liament. By a curious quirk Of fnte, the only two Members of the Com May, I with your leave, add a per mission who are in this House are sonal touch to what happened in that Shri Morarji Desai and myself. There context? When Shri Lai Bahadur is no other Member of that Comr.'.is- Shastri asked me to meet him in his sion now in Parliament. Chamber in December, 1965, just be fore he letf for Tashkent, he wanted The Commission undertook a very and insisted that I should join the wide-ranging investigation, perhaps Commission as a Member. I pleaded the most wide-ranging inquiring into slight reluctance and said; “I do not the Administration that has taken understand, Mr. Prime Minister, why, place in this country since indepen- o f all persons, you want me. i ;rave drn^e. Its terms of reference, you been a vehement critic of the Gov will be interested to know.—I do not ernment, of the administration. Some think any other Commission has >een people say that I have been even a constituted with such terms of re virulent and violent critic. Anyway ference— were as follow s: I have been a strong critic of tlie administration. I do not know why “The Commission may give con you want to have me as a Member sideration to the need for ensuring of the Commission.” With a disarm the highest standards of efficiency ing smile, he put his hand on my and integrity in the public servi shoulder it was in his Chamber in ces and for making public admin Parliament House, and said,—this is istration a fit instrument for carry exactly what he said, I am not mis ing out the social and economic po quoting him—“Well, Kamath, that licies of the Government and exactly why I want you as a Member.” achieving the social and economic That disarmed me, and then I said, goals of development, as also mak “I have nothing more to say. i will ing it responsive to the needs of do whatever J can, yatha sakti, yatha the people. In particular, the Com huddhi." He said: “You must p«)- mission will examine the follow duce a good report. Do not take a ing: long time.” I said, “We will do cur best to produce the report and uur (1) the machinery of the Gov recommendations in the spheres of ernment of India and its proce administration which have been as dures of work; signed to us.” “But”, I asked, “what about the implementation of the re ( 2) the machinery of /plan commendations?” Then came his ning at all levels; words, the very last words, to me at (3) Centre-State relationshipr, any rate. He said: “Leave that to 275 ^G ., 1977-78—Afin. JULY 12, 1977 of Home Affairs 276 LShri Hari Vishnu Kamath] day, that is of Smt. Indira Gandhi had appointed a Ministers’ Committee to me.” Just four words. He left tlie submit within six months their own world and I am sorrV to say that ,nost recommendations for administrative of the recommendations of the Ad reforms. That Ministers’ Committee, ministrative Reforms Commission have I believe, never produced any report, been left dangling in mid air, if not I believe that was not so deft an relegated to the archives of the Home exercise, in the puerile art of sitting Ministry and gathering dust among pretty ever the recommendations of the other old files of the Homtr Min the Administrative Reforms Commis istry. We produced about 20 ro- sion. Nothing came out of that. ports. But out of those, I was ’old, in 1971-72 only 8 reports were be ing processed by the Government. I Before I leave the subject, i 'also would urge the Minister to lay before refer to the Lokpal and Lokayukta the House, as early as possible, a machinery which was recommended detailed chart telling us which re by the Administrative Reforms Coni- commendations have been acceptod, mission. It was number ten item which have been rejected, which are in the terms o f reference but Shri under consideration and why they Morarji Desai, who was the Chairman have been rejected and give us details of the Commission, said that we mu'st on this score, about these matters. It give it the highest priority, red hot, is a very important matter because white hot, topmort priority, and we Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri, during the gave the topmost priority and course of discussions in this House produced a report embodying the which preceded the appointment of draft bill too for the appornt- the Commission, said: “This is going ment of the machinery needed to be a sort of Hoover type Commis for the redress of citizens’ grievances. sion.” The Hoover Commission /-as But. unfortunately, it had a cheijuered one of the big commissions appoint history, an ugly hi.story. The Bill was ed in the United States in the ,;arly introduced twice, passed by one House 50s, if I remember aright, and the and not passed by the other House at recommendations of the Hoover Com all and, after the dissolution of the mission were accepted, I believe, m Lok Sabha, it lapsed. toto, almost 95 per cent, by the Gov ernment of the United States later on. And what was the more impor Now, our Janta Parly manifesto has tant, in every State and city a watch promised that the Lokpal Bill would dog committee was set u p to keep be introduced in this session. I hope, an eye on the acceptance or rejec the promise will be kept and it will be tion of the recommendations by the introduced before the close of this Government of the day and to see session. There has been another that they were implemented. I would promise also made in this littlr- tiooklet urge in this context that a parlia called “The Hundred Days in Office” mentary committee—a watcli-dog by the new Government. On p. 9 of committee—should be appointed im the little booklet, it says this about the mediately without undue delay to Anti-Defections Bill. I am gl.id that keep a watch on the pace and pro- there has been a reference made here gre-is of implementation of the re to defections. It says; commendations of the Administrative Reforms Commission. This is very “There can be no two opinions necessary unless w& take it that Uiat about the need to curb the problem was a waste of effort and waste of of defections. The new Government money. During the tenure of the even aS it assumed ofRce made known Fifth Lok Sabha—I was not a Member its Arm resolve to enact the Anti then and so I do not know why it Defections Bill expeditiously. Gov was done—xne Government of the ernment are keen to introduce the a77 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Affaire 278 Bill in the current session of Parlia body seem* to have taken notice of ment. In pursuance of thi.s commit th a t. The A.R'.C. made a recommenda ment, broad outlines of the propof.ed tion in that respect w ith regard to tl»e legislation have been fiaaliscd by the Centre-State relations. We recom Government 'md consultations are at mended that under article 26:J df the present in progress with the lea Constitution which nas been ccinpletely ders of the Opposition parties.” ignored, which has been li-st sighi of I hope that this Bill will also be all these 30 years—not q u ite 30 years, introduced in this v^ry session. bui 27 years bec.^jse the Con-stitution was promulgated in 1950. Thfere have Having said that, i may add that the been so many disputes between S ta te former Government literally cocked a and State and between State and snook at Parliament and showed a Centre. I believe, only ye.sterday or contempt for it by introducini? the Bill the day before, one of the West Bengal twice and allowing it to lapse, and Ministers raised a qjestion on C'?ntre- furthermore, by bringing it here, pass State relations with regard to fiscal ing it here with modiHcalions, exempt and some other matters. Article 263 ing the Prime Minist«r from the juris- of the Constitution provides for an dection of the Lokpal. I hope, it will Inter-State Council, not merely inter not be done now. The P/ime Minister state but Centre-State disputes. It as well as the Chief Ministers, I hope, makes it very clear. will be subject to the .iurisrliclion of the Lokpal. That Bill was passed by It reads as follows: the Lok Sabha, it was introduced in “If at any time it appears to the the Raiya Sabha. Kept in cold .storaee President that the public interests in the Rajya Sabha and it was allowed would be served by th’ establishment to lapse. of a Council charged with the duty For the second time, after the garibi o£— hntao elections, they re-introduced Ihe (a) inquiring into and advising Bill in this House. Bjt it was never up disputes which may have taken up even for consideration in the arisen between States; Lok Sabha for five or six years. That (b) investigating and discussing was the fate of that Bill. The Anti Defections Bill introduced in lf)7,3 suffer subjects in which some or all of the States, or the Union and ed the .<;ame fate as the Lokpal Bill dur one or more of tho Scales, have ing the predecessor Congress Ccvern- a common interest;, cr ment’s regime. Let U3 now sot a better example. Let us hr.pe (hat we will (cV making re'?ommendations upon get both the Bills psssc^ very soon in any such subject and, in parti Ibis Lok Sabha, in th’s Parliament. cular, recommendations for the better co-ordination of pcilicy Then, I come to another irnportant and action with respect to that matter v.'hich will assume imprrtanre subject, in the coming y^ar?, that is, the Centre state relations in a federal set it shall be lawful for the President by up We will have to face harsh reali order to establish such a Council, and ties sometimes, and 've already see to define the nature of the duties to be that parties different from the ruling performed by it and its organisation party at the Centre may assume office and procedure.” and be in power in some States. That The ARC recommended that an is, to my mind, a healthy federal set inter-State Council should be con.stitut- up. The same party should not be in ed and it suggested also the composi power at the Centre and in all the tion, the personnel of that Inter-Str.te States all over the country. In that Council. It may consist of the Prime connection a very important con- Minister, as the Chairman, the Finance stitutionta provision has been ig Minister, the Home Minister, and the nored all these 30 years. No Leader of the Oppogitton in the Lok .279 1977-78—Min. JULY 12, 1977 of Home Affairs 280 [Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath] the need ^or appointing a Policc Com mission, if I remember correctly. I Sabha, and if there was no lecosnised welcome that statement of the Home opposition in the House, the represen Minister. He referred to the need tative should be elected from tho Op for appointing a Police Commission position Parties '.y single trnnitor.-ible and I welcome that statement. I hope vote. Lastly, five reprcsemativ es. one that will be implemented very soon. each from the zonal oounc il jh' uld be But, along with that, there should be there. I do not kiiow whether ihis a commission for prison reform too. recommendation has beon even noticed One commission can look after police by the Home Ministsr who ha.^? an reform and prison reform. For both, enviable reputation as an et'lrient one commission can be appointed— administrator ^nd :t man of integrity police and prison. These reforms are and calibre. I r!o hope that he will badly needed; reforms for the better ask his Ministry arii the Department administration of the jails are also of Personnel and Administartive Re badly needed. You can have two forms to go into all the recommenda Commissions it you want; I have no tions made by the ARC carefully, and objection. :i one Commission will see to it that a report is made to this be alright because people are already House without delay. And this Inter talking about so many Commissions State Council mut-t be constituted, ds having been appointed in the country. soon as possible, because these disputes are likely to arise. When I am on that subject. I might refer to what happened in the court During the last few days, weeks, in 1his House, we have been greatly sad before the Mathur Commission the other day when it was transacting its dened by gruesome narratives of tor ture in jails and in police lock-ups. business. An unidentified woman get I was also in the Darya Ganj police up to ask whether protection w'^i’ ld -Station lock up which the Home M in be provided for witnesses who gave ister visited the day before yesterday. evidence in the Maruti-concerns in quiry proceedings. The judge, Mr. The papers have reported his visit. I was in that lock up in Darya Ganj. Mathur, said: that so far as the Com t)n Gandhi Jayanti Day, 1975. I re mission premises are concerned, ho would look after her, but outside the member the filthy condition in which I was confined there. Even the drink premises, the Home Ministry must look after her; if protection was need ing water was given in a dirty bucket. ed. she might write to the Home Min There has been a series of tortures istry and if they felt that it was on our freedom fighters during the necessary, because of her fears, they emergency, those dark and dismal would provide adequate protection. days of the emergency. There is a Because, I think, after having known torture museum In London which is what happened during the days of the called “Madam Tussand’s Chamber of Emergency, some people are natural Horrors”. Some of my colleagues ly afraid to give evidence. Therefore, here might have seen it. All the tor w herever it is necessary and ’ t is ture chambers in our police lock-up brought to the Home Minister’s notice, or jails must be forthwith aliolished, I hope, he will take necessary steps and the Police should be ordered to to give adequate protection to the pursue the matter of investigation witnesses who might give evidence scientifically and according to civilized before that or any other Commls.^ion. Drocedures, and not try to get at the truth or whatever they may think is Then, Mr. Keran Singh referred to true, by third degree methods or RAW. RAW and Kao go together, fourth degree torture. almost inseparable twins. The boss Along with that, I may recall the of RAW was Kao. H this RAW by statement made by the Home Minister, itself, per se, had functioned in the last month. I 'believe he spoke about normal course, it would have been a 28i D.G., 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Affairs 282. very useful organisation, but it be Freedom Fighters’ Pension Commit came so identified, and inextricably tee;—to scrutinise the cases of tha so, with Shrimati Indira Gandhi’s per civilians who joined the Azad Hind sonal power struggle that Mr. Kao Fauj of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose. became responsible to no one but to That old Committee should be dis Shrimati Indira Gandhi, not even to banded now, and a new Committee Parliament—no Parliament checks should be constituted to look after on Mr. Kao. The only person to this particular subject. The old Com whom he was responsible was mittee consisted of Shri Shahnawaz only Shrimati Indira Gandhi. Khan, no longer a Member of tliis Therefore, it became a fearful, a mcn- H ous2, Shri G. M. Ghosh, since depart > strous organisation which dabbled in ed from the world. General Mohan areas where it should not have dab Singh, Dr. R. N. Vyas—I think, he was bled, It was supposed to be an ex a Member of the other House, but I terna] intelligence organisation. It am not su re— and Col. Raturi of the should have been only that. We must Azad Hind Fauj. have an intelligence organisation, as Mr. Karan Singh had said: a very When I am on that subject, I may efficient and a very adequate intelli also invite the attention of the hon. gence organisation, we must have— Minister to what he has stated in the and a properly coordinated one. Let Report of the Home Ministry itself. Us have that by all means. But let It has been mentioned there that many the?;e intelligence organisations not false claims for pension were made become instrumtnls of personal power by bogus people. I do not know for one Minister or the other as RAW whether the word ‘bogus’ has been became in the hands of Mr. Kao end used because I am not able to locate and in the time of Shrimati Indira that portion immediately. Those cbss?. G a n d h i... of pension to freedom fighters should be re-examined and persons who have AN HON. MEMBER: He became a been given pensions On false grounds bull! should be deprived of the same. SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: The spelling of Mr. Kao is K-A-O I would further request that those and not C-O-W. who fought the second freedom battle during the last emergency, 1975 to *' In the context of the new Centre- 1977, should also be regarded as free State relations, I do hope and trust dom fighters and should be entitled that Governors in the States will not to whatever facilities and pensions regard themselves as mere agents of were granted to the freedom fightors the Centre. They have got their own of 30s and 40s. Constitutional position, they have ,’ot their position defined in the Constitu Then, Sir, the Andaman and Nicobar tion. They should function as Gov ernors under the Constitution, not os Islands deserve a more popular set up. I think, they are still relejated agents of the President or the Centre to some sort of status outside the pale or the Prime Minister or some Minis of the democratic law and the Cons ter. They should exercise their func tions in accordance with the provi titution, and I do hope that by the end of this year, 1977, they w ill havt' sions of the Constitution. new set-up. May I invite the attention of the Home Minister to another matter? I would also like to refer to the There was a Committee constituted atrocities still being perpetuated on by his predecessor to look after the the Harijans and the weaker section freedom flghiers of the INA, Netaji’s of our population. Only the other ‘Azad HiTid Fauj’—it was called the day, we discussed in the House the’ -283 D.G., 1977-78—Min. JULY 12. 1977 of Home ASairg 284 / [Shri Hari Vishnu Kamath] they belong to. Let the hon. Members of the Congress Party who would disastrous incident at Belchi and v^e speak today and tomorrow tell us w ere grievously pained by the *'-agic fiankly and without mincing words happenings, and words cannot utrpr that they do not want that leadenhip the agony in our hearts. But hr>w to come in the future also; they should to prevent them? May I sugSP-'i a isolate them, they do not belong to wayout! Lok Nayak Shri JayapiaKash them, because they have betrayed the Narayan some time ago suggested Congress ideals and the ideals of ■ Jana-Samitis at village and other Mahatma Gandhi. Did Shrimati Indira levels. I would, therefore, urge the Gandhi follow the ideals and Government to foster, to encourage pies of Mahatma Gandhi? Shame, the Con'^titution of Jana Samitis at shame. If w e are a.ssured on tnat every level, with which the government point, we on our side will be pre al local machinery would be in close pared to consider their offer of natio contact so that the two can funcfon nal reconciliation, national consensus harmoniously and jointly and not c n iy and national reconstruction, aJl ;c.^^e- take punitive action, but also pre.cn- ther. tive action. These Jana-Samitis ‘-.'■o jld be at the village level, tehsil ipvel, SHRI MUKUNDA MANDAL (Mathu-) district level and right upto the Cen rapur); Hon’ble Mr. Chairman, Sir, tral level. This is very necessary im at the outset I would lik ^ to congratulate the new age which has dawned after the Home Minister and the Janita the recent electoral upheave]. Party for taking democratic stepj -as soon as they assumed power by re storing the freedom of speech, free dom of assembly and other funda I would have referred to some o'.her mental right but I would like to high matters also, but as the time is sp.ort, I will not tire your patience and the light certain important things which I hope will draw your Governms il s patience of the House and I wDuld only refer to what Dr. Karan Singh serious attention.... said in the concliiaing part of his speech. He was pkaJing for. yearn ing for national reconciliation. In MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. M i:;- that, 1 am at one with him. But let ber may come a little forward. them search their hearts first; do they sincerely believe in what tney SHRI MUKUNDA MANDAL: This say? Are the words of repentance or is the first time I am speaking in th’z- paschattap coming just from ih?ir 1 ps House and this is my maiden spcecli. or from their hearts? If these have come from their hearts, we will be happy to have that approach to o';^ By restoring the fundamental free national problems. As Shri Tiwari doms the Janata Party has re-estab said, these might be crocodile tears; lished democracy in the country. But just words, words, words and no‘hinn I have one criticism. The MIS A has in their hearts. Let the other colle not yet been withdrawn. Some poli agues of Dr. Karan Singh assure us that tical detenus have beeta released but that they also take the same stand, an^j there are several others in jails de they are prepared to disown the tained under MISA and I request the leadership of those two persons—one hon. Home Minister to kindly make person and a half. Let them openly speedy arrangements for their eaxly say that in this House, and disown release. MISA should not continue. their leadership and assure Ug that It is a black law and it should itot they are honest and sincere in that. be continued and it should be scrapp Let Shrimati Indira Gandhi and ed. If it is continued, its applica^icn rSanjay Gandhi go to whichever place will continue and we have seen how 385 D.G., 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1890 (SAKA) of Home Affaire 286 in Kashmir by 25th June 1977, 15 W — On 3rd of June, in Bhilai, Rajhara 2000 National Conference workers police firing has been condemned. In ivere arrested under this tew. police firing more than eight contract workers of Dalli Rajhara Iron Ore It should be scrapped lest it be mi^s- Mines have been killed and many useJ by some interested group. more workers have been injured. I demand that the responsible police Then, Sir, the Border Security officials should be punished and en quiry should be made. Though it is Force and the Central Reserve Poji.e the matter of the State Government, forces were used to terrorise the peo it falls within the jurisdiction of the ple in the pre-election period in State Government, yet the Cpntrdl Kashmir. This should not be dene Government cannot remain blind in Police atrocities should be stopped. this regard. Home Minister sh uld During the British rule they used the take necessary steps to defend the police force to crush the people’s democratic people of the country. movements, torture the people and again the police force was used for this purpose during the 30 years of Police force and para military force Congress rule. During emergency should not be used against the demo their atrocities increased. The n j\v cratic movement of the people. government, I hope, will try to delend democracy. Sir, the attitude uf our The Report reveals that Govern police should change and they sii) 'Id ment is keen to maintain the Cent-ai be re-organized. Sir, not one but Reserve Police. But again I would there are several Rajan cases in Liaia. say that the Report is not clear in Murders have been committed with regard to atrocities committed by the the help of police force in India. I Central Reserve Police in different would demand that these cases should parts of India. b 3 properly looked into. The Report says: It is apprehended that Rajan’s ca.^o is being sabotaged. Necessary .'.teps “ The force is deployed in various may be taken by the Home Minister parts of the country in aid of autho rities for the maintenance of Jaw in this regard. and order. The services rendered by force in Andhra Pradesh, Ass^m, In Gujarat the -attitude of the police Bihar, Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizo towards the workers has not '^oen ram, West Bengal, Jammu & Kash changed even though there is Janata mir, Tamil Nadu and Kerala have Party in power. The Secretary ol been quite significant and was ap the General Engineering was assault preciated by the concerned States.” ed by the police on 20th June, i0’<7. Several other workers of CITU h^ve We have experience of the past We been whipped and put in police lock know the atrocities of the C.R.P. and up. Police also takes the help of the I think this force should not be sent gangsters. The police is continuing to the States to punish the people who atrocities there. In Arvinda ivletal are continuing their democratic s'rug- Industry in Ahmedabad repression is gle to get the benefits and to get going on on the striking workers. their reasonable demands satisfied. I would like to mention here that T quote the Times of India of 8th the crowned Reserve Police was Ih .;re ju iy_“Employers are using police during the British rule. They wjrk- force upon the workers when the^e is a dispute between the Managenient ed to safeguard the interest of the Maharajas and Zamindars. During and the workers in and around the the congress rule, the GRP was there Delhi region.” 287 1977-78-Min. JULY 12, 1977 of Home Aifairg 28S [Shri Mukunda Mandal] in 1977-78 budget it is Rs. 225 crores. It is more than 2 times of the amount to protect the interest of the mono spent on Police in 1971-72. polists. During the emergency they were there to protect the intereil oC All State Governments in the year the Maharani. The people of West 1976-77 spent about Rs. 482 crores Bengal know about the many atroci which is one time more than what ties committed by them. This should they spent in the year 1S71-72. not be continued and hope the C»jn- tral Government will not send the In the year 1970-71, the Central CRP to States indiscriminately. Government as well as State Gavern- m^nts together spent on police a ^um There are many atrocities commit of Rs. 329 crores whereas it rose to ted by CRP in West Bengal. V-hen Rs. 689 crores in the year 1976-77 the Force was sent there they did not which is more than 109 per cent in know the culture of that province. crease. It is remarkable to note that They only knew how to protect the the plan expenditure has been in party in power, namely, the coiigiesj creased by 80 per cent whereas the party. This is the position. So, this non-plan expenditure has been in Force should not be continued any creased by 103 per cent in 1976-77. more. It is reported in the An lira Bazar Patrika of 8th July, 1977 as to Between 1947 and 1976, the n imber how the CRP has been used to take of police personnel rose by 80 times. away 5 constables to a solitary jiiice I want to mention here that there is at Taratala at midnight on February no difference between the old Govern 11, 1971. They were to be shot down ment and the new Government re by this CRP but somehow they escap garding the recruitment of polite and ed and they are still living. It is a'So expenditure on the police. The Re a matter of concern that constables search and An-alysis Wing should be were abducted from the office o[ the discontinued because it is not acting association, situated behind the Ccl- in the interest of the people. Neces cutta Police H. Q. at Lai Bazar. Tncy sary steps should be taken against it. were members of the Association, An enquiry should be made against tion. To form an association i^ a the atrocities committed by the per democratic right, but still, as tiiey sonnel o f the RAW . were members of the Associ.Hion, they were killed. 50 police per.'c.nnel Coming to the jails, I want to say have been killed during the past atro- that sanitation food etc. should be cratic rule. given and proper attention should be paid to the treatment meted on- to Their method of killing was very prisoners. During emergency we have peculiar. I First of all, arrests would seen that in jail there is no sanitation have been made and then they would and there is not sufficient food givjn be set free in a remote place and on to prisoners and ill-treatment was their way home police would fiiC on given to them. So necessary steps them from behind. On the next day should be taken in this regard you will find in newspapers that police fired when the person was run It is hightime ta review that their** ning away from the police custody. is proper centrc-States relationship This happened iti jails also. being developed in differfent Slates where there is no Janata Govern Then I come to the expenditure on ment. If there is no good relationship Police. It is highly alannlng, and it between the Centre and the States, is increasing year oy year. In the there would be no smooth function Revised Estimate for 1976-77 police ing. We are interested in good ren- expenditure was Rs. 207 crores and tre-State relations and we bhould 289 D.G., 1977-78*-Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Again 299 funftion accolrding to the Constitu like to mention that necessary steps tion that we have got. So, even if should be taken to protecting ihe in there is a non-7anata Government in terests of these classes. the States, that should be allowed to function properly. Steps should be Finally, Sir, a word about propor taken by the Central Governnitnt to tional represents ,ijn and right to re provide the necessary finance or any call. The proportional representation other help needed by the States. makes the legislature more democratic and the right to recall leads to stopJ Coming to scholarship, scheduled ping of defections. Janata party castes, scheduled tribes and other leaders are in favour of these two backward class people are given post- things but this should be practically matric scholarships. But, most of ihe done immediately. With these words students belonging to these commu I conclude. nities cannot even pass through the 10th class, that is, matric. If they IFITSTtT ^TcTT) ’ cannot pass the matric, how can they q rff 100 ^ expoct to get post-matric scholaiships? Free education upto Class X should be allowed to the people irrespective STSTRTtf^T q if f ^ t I 01 the caste o r creed. And post- % 'T ^ matric scholarships should be ccnti- nued. I $r, As regards attack on harijaaj, our 100 % information as on 3-3-77 was that three harijans were shot dead by the landlord.^. Again on 27th May, 16 harijans were gunned down by the ^ 9rff^ * 0", goondas of the landlords. These attacks are continuing still in Delhi, U.P., Bihar and everywhere in India. ^ ^ «n I ?rnr ?rrT So, necessary steps should be taken. Again, it is not only the attack on harijans, but those who are landless, ?rraT t I ^ they are also being attacked oy the TTTW ^ WU «TT, ?rnT ^ landlords. Necessary land ref 01 ms ?TFTrr !TT ^ 1 1 ?nT5T^ 5 f?F ^snrgrr are needed. Unless and until proper landlords. Necessary land reforms the harijans and other backward f^«TT,^T^T 100f^ % ? T T ^ : classes cannot be looked after pro perly. ^ fefT I I ^ 3T?RTT WW, Another thing is this. The D O O r ^ 20 ^ ^ ^mr «TT, tribals are cultivating the lands. It srsTT^F^ ^ <1dI MiiT ^ ^T’Ty '31'iaI is they who have cleared the fo'^es+s and they have made the lands as ^ 5rkr t , Jr cultivable lands. But, then, the lO of^ ^ f’TTst I zamindars immediately took posses sion of those lands. In this way, these ^ ’Tf ^T^3T ^ mfr I, landless people are put to hardships. In this country, more than 37 per cent our population represents the sche % «ft Vrrfw duled castes, scheduled tribes and t , I fioof^ir?nnr other backward classes. Most of them are agricultural labourers. I would f W t % srarTiT I ^ ar^ 1459 LS— 10. 2 9 1 I>G., 1977-7a—Min. JULY 12, 1&77 o/ Home Affairs 292 [sr> ^ fyt?r?^ ¥h: ?TT5I «ft ifv ^ *T^?r f^Ri^i I f0 |?rr, f? n , tirt |(t i ^ ^ r ^rr^^T sirnsr Torf^ET? ^ft fsp^r f iT3f^ % sftTR «ftJT^ JTrsfl- »r f?tiT I 5srni ^ I f% ^ jft f .0 ftf>qr, :j?T^ ?r ^jJTRT ^TfRJTr nrsft ?rk >sft irc r^ w ^ ?T Trff ^'r q-f^ i wir qr?f % TT ^ ir, m ^T H R fTTT^'n’ I , ^ 5T|lf I ?rr^ ir loo c r ft ^ JT^tt ^'r ?rvt ^ o ^rorfqir ^ ^^^ ^>f ^?rr nr^oT «tt f^r^Jr ^TT^rSTT I 5TT^ if "?W ^51” ^ j l ^ r if t ^ r ^ n r ^ f ^ m ^ r m ^'t i ^rr^F-T wrriT ^Tft I qrcf »3% rT>?: ?TT^ q-^ ^ »T^T I; ^>f ?ft m ’JT ^*TT q r ’tTTJRT qi^iT f% fq % Tr?rd> ^ ?rh- t fsTffir ?f?TT ^ ^ r ^ f^iTT f^r??ft ?rr>T ^ttht ifr t «?t i ^ I zT? f%^T ^ 1 qTC? % qr qiff ^'V ^ ^'t ^>ft ? i ^ sr^^TT q rc f ^ 't 1 1 ? r h ^ t%T 3pr?!T % ?rnT% nr i ?r>TfeT q ^ t ?fk ^rcCT^R ^ n ^ ft ^ if ?rq% iTRT rpr, t ?f?7T jft ?tV?: ?fiTir 5 T ^ jpttT % f?ra[ ^ ??T% »rr€ft ^ ^r»T ^ I t ^ m r ffT I r% «r, ITlT^^ft % f ^IT?T sr? ??T it ?TFTf ^ »JfiT fen ’TJTT q-T I 1 3T? ^ Tr^?T TTff ^ JT^ f ^ - ^ ^ ^TicJTr ^ fe rr sfT^fS- g-(TT ^ 5>ift !ftT it ^ ? r r ^ ? ffrqr ncrr i fr? rfT ^ ^'idi % ?rr*T^ g-R jfr ^^TT «TT fr ^qr ^TTrT ^T ^ ^tirft ^ I ?r>T 51 f »T ^ Jr sTW^r ?TT f T ^ I -3 ^ ^ ^ 5^TT> I lf if^'t |5T % TT^F 3ET^ ^»T7 f%ffr ^'r f?rr rrrftTfrr^ET ITT^ 3TT^ | I ^ I , ffT f ^ 'TT€f ^ |?rr I , ? r k f^^'y ^>T'»rT ^'t t f% ^'T I 5rh: < T t^ fc r f ^ , ^'t f r o ^ ^ ^rJT 5FT «TT, f?ft ^ ^ ^ 16.00 hrs. ^rnr^ t o t «rn^*rT i ??r% 1%it ^ ^ Trff if ^trt ?T^ TfT, ^m ffv ^ =qrr^ ^ I tr;:^ Sift qr^f % f ® 5T>r t| | i ?TT% ^ ^ tfft J? ^ fip ^ f w ^ ^srrf ^ f I ftr®9ft ^ r v t t % ^ 293. ° 19V7-7&-Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (_SAKA) of Home Affairs 294 T ’ar ^TT, f t <1"<+T< It »T^T ^r?r ?if «fV f% srsrnr sJT^Wr fjf ^TJft qf»ft I ^ !TR ?T? ?ftT 'R ^ *1^4*11 5T^ WRT Jtrrar | | i ^^TTJTr 3rr 1 1 ?r? ^ JTf 5in^ ^ Ttnr^ ^ ?TT ¥fT JT^ *( ^ ^ ^ qr J jw’f?r»n: ^ *r?TrfV ^ JT? TfJTT ^»TT f% «f1^ m rT> TT ^?rnTT ^rtriTT, ^TfrrfNTtvnr t'T STT?HTT% ^^TFTcT ^ ^ ^ T R T I I JT? ^ I 1 Z T ji^ ^ I ft? ^iTcTr qrff Tr?^r, t ^rrr 'nff ^ ^ ^ I ^r+n dl^C'l 'T'<^ spt f?5rr I ^ ^PTT I r^i*, ^ ^ft9T^ ^5ftJl3?r I ^ ^ fT ^ I ^3^ 5rr? ?T«ft :?T0 f?T? ?!• 5P|!T srsrPT 5fh ?ft «T5®t ^ I »T^, «ft JT>TTT5ft ^ !T t o t snft ^ I I % %tT 11 rft W iTct ^ ^ ^ sraPT ?mjT ^UT ?nft ^ srtTT 11 ^ ^ ?TT JTfy ?HT3n I ? W? rft ?rnrrcft ^ i trV tt ^'t | ^ s rift fit ^ TT^rr I ?fk ^ «rft | f^ jr r 11 ^irr >5ft »r> T n ^ ^ ?n f TdSTT T't, w? IT^ I ^ »Tff fq-«Tir ^ ^ I ? HTJT% , ■^^T t 't ^ ^ ^ ^T?rr ?r»T ^ 3T^ ^3iTHrt I I =9T1^ I I 5Tf 3T?^ ^'f f T ir^ f?T5TfcT q r ^ T ft | 1% ¥ T ? n ‘'R 5 T T ^ ^ srsTRPT ^ r^HTT ^ JF»fY9PT f^STTT t |»tt I ?TT%T ^ ^ % if tr^ ?=SH- ^?rnT I ^ q-f fTT WTTT |?TT I ? f i t ?Tf1r f?n I, «fV ^rJTcT ?T>T «ft =^TOT fg-? I 5FTt? ?Tf ^t-j: ^flr f?rr | i f i r 'TJiq^r fir f '^ ^ 't T T JT^T «TT I ?r JTiT ? rh : 6 ^TK f%cr T'tf ^ ^ 1 ^37r^> ^ 5tYt: ^ ttr t ^'tI Tf^^ft ?RTR ^ 'TK m i ^'t 5TfT «TT, 2 0 ^TftsT % ^ ^x x ^ I I ^ =^»rr JT? ^ f^cT 5T^^ ^x f^qr m \ i ^ f% ?TT?ft qj^f ^ TR^Kt ^'t 'ifr ?T^ srn; i f*T fJT^TT TRJT ?TTTRli T'Tlft ^ ^flr sp?^ I t 5 T T ^ ^ ', ^5T % fTTr?r^2:?T T a if g 3T0 tot ^ fsF T5TT 5 T T R s?rp^iT t> ^ % ?TTf ^9TJT 5 t ^ S T T R ^ ITTVfeW ?Tf9r5r TTiT^'t TT I 295 D.G., 1977-78—Min. JULY 12, 1977 of Home Affairs 296 ¥ t v t f f m I WTtT d4 ^ ^ ^ irrnsfffl ^ 'TTT f3rE T % ^ itV I ^?T!TT TTr ^ ^ tr^ iT ^ s n n ^ ^-STT'STTf cTT ^ ^ % fspT% fe^TTO i T5% f5r^?r vTt TR3?i‘ |t^ ^J5T5pt WT% T 5 T ^ 5T^ I , t^^?T¥5rErJr I w t | , f t ^ ?nfT ^ rfro g f% % »ft w h f ® ?rnT 'TT^T sfvt ^ =^rf^ wk ffarsT^^r ^ ? T % ?fi w m x H?T^ qiff % ¥TTT ^ 5 F tr^ ^ 1 %'TT?T?TFr^ t l ^ ’% f^ «n ft % f ^ W R R T % ^ IT^ ;^IIT WT liT^ETRt ^T | I ^ I T ^ siwnr mrrtT 5t?tVt g'ffV^^^^srt % ^ ift SETOTR ?T, ^ T Ph I + '^ ^ ^ 5f*rfd ^T ?ftT 'WHI ?rnr t fiTT^ ^snrm-mrf I ^ TT^ VrflMd f 1 ^ 3 ^ ^ ^TTSm W 5 I ?rar ^ ^ i I if f® |?rr t %()x ^3RTr qrrf ^ ^ | 1 cfTfTTHT ^ f I 5r^ qTRT ^hif % m ?rrfrt ^ | fe r % STirt |tT zn ^ ^ I 1 IT^ rTF ITS m? t, ^'T t ?rm T fT^ =^TfrTT ? IT^ ^ ^rfwft^ it grr «rr «r^T ■^'T^rfei 'Jt'idi ^ q w € t^ ^ ir nft TRS ^ it ^f 3T^3r t % m ^ ^ f m I ^ 7 1 Z (Z ^?TT I ^FTf ?rftmT ^ I, € t fiRWTR ^ tTWr ^raPT?! ^ i W T sfm^sFT ^r ^'tf ?rfk^ ?T^ t • ^^TPTT I ^ ^ ^ ^ Jr iTjjff ^RT^r ?r t | t =f^TfT«!ft i5rwra’'rR T ^ «r,?ftT ^ - f^- ?nn: ?rR4t »ft?ft %■ f ^ t T ^ T «ff, W ITTT ^ cfT »ft ^ ^ ^ T ^ «ff, ^ ?r^ I WT % w ^ 5r ^ ^5r,^rf^^nrcn'n€?^f^^ f^JTT jnrrin ? i;^ ^ f^ ? r ^ 5TT% % m n IT^ 5Tm # 3 ^'r ?TT^ I ^ ^ ^ t ^ ^ ?rm fw^ ^T ^ f^ z w K % ^ ■^UTT r f t 11 ^ ^ ^'t ?tpt ^ ^3TTTr ^r^cft I 1 jTcT J T ^ T ^ . ^ T f s F ^ ^sfr ^ ;jft ^ ir %, 3mx 3|'Tf?T^ I % 2 0 ^ ^ I s I *fV^ ^ f ^ ^ r d v P T ^ ' t jiTrft I I 5i$^' t | , ^3Tff% ^ ^TFTIT ^ I ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ f ® I #«if«j^ ?tf^nT ^ 352^r 360?np WT'Sf ^TO?T ^ ^ ^TTtriTT ^ ^ ^ ^ 297 JO G., 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Affain 298 ' TnRT ^ S P P T T ^ m ft I f5ET sm r s t t r t ^ w nlf I 3ft ftr ftWT T^ ?nfT » f t ^ > T T f f I I 3nr?u »TT#f rft 5T ^ qrrr I jtrrr^ ^ fw | JTft q r STTT^ ^ ^r^dfg I *l»-- > 1 TTSf !TT ?Rrcft ^nnqftr f^ 100 ^r ^ + < rTf'TTSTT^ ?n>d> I I f?r ! f k ^ ^TS^TT ^ I srrfefTrg- ^'t ft n r i ^ S R ^ fTfRT % f^ ?r TRT rTrfTr^TTifV ^ 'r ^ f r ^r^ft ^^7 ^ f ^ ? r h : x i t ^ M r d % q R T # < T ^ rfT ffTfTTTT ^ ^ 6 T T % iN t W I w q % wr ?T% 'n:?^ ^ ^ ^1- 24 ^ ^ % 3jqr It t| I ^ qr ?^«T7: %tt 1 I t TTc^q% ^ qvt 9TT?r t ^ tf zr^t q r JrgT' =^Tfgr ^ %Ck f ^ Ilf siVflTJr^TT 'jfr I I jm jprr^ | -ifr Hwt- $rf^ 3T^ ^ t ^rfr t^itt - a-R- g'f ^q-if q;fr ^ ct ?rmT ^TTT^ % ff^TfFT 5r q f ^ 1% ff^q-^T TTtz T|nT 1 f^?fr I T T - 5 T ? ^ ^ % ^iTfT TT TT?? ? f k ^ ?rk t 2 4 i t v f j - I ^ ^ ^ qr #5 t|, ^ I 5TFR ^T^5T ^ ^TWT I I ?>TT f%tr ?rh: ir^ ^ ^ K i ^^rnrr |, t q f t ^ ; t r t '^rf^cT i% srsrpT jt^'Yt t ^'rf JT+^m g, ^TR ^ ?TWT I =5I^T> ?r ?j->T ^ ' t ?T>ff q r ^ i c f t ^ ? n q ‘ » f t ^j ^ ' t % fwTT ^TP; q n r ^tttt!, ^ tstt » T T ^ I ... JTf f ® ? r f £ r ^ =5rf|CT I ir^ ? t dY?T I «ft 3nT5?TT«r TT^ t fiTPT f?5TR-T «TT I ^ ? T T -q I r ^ i * , I if -^i^dl g 5R^iTX «0 ^*TT rTW *r7T : ?rrq ^rsf ir ftr^nr^ fwr ^ 3ft 'd ?T^ >f^ , irft ?nq ^rt^rr f t t f ® ?rrrjwr??T y<.+K ? f k « f t ^ I I i t ^ TfT «TT f^ ^ T R T I =5ft^ 5|?t WtT t EJTPT q ^ ’^ WR{ f e T R T f I ? r ^ ^'T ^ ^ ^ 3RHT I vtR sttIW t t ?> % ^R nr ^ITKT ^cRfTT^ C t ^ t < ^ ?rrn[^ srtr qTf%^rr^ ^r qf^«T<%- q^ ?> ?TW!^ I fV »rr?r ^>fV 1 # ^ 1%tt Jr^rf^ ^ qT¥ f>ft i ^ 5 T T 1 *rk IT ir^ % ^ % ^iTT^ spt^^qranr ^r ir| | ^ ’trr^ «rh: ^ ^ ^ =?>«rrf ^wrir^t ^ R S F R ^ fT JFT^n ^>n <2^9 ^ i97't-78—?Min. JtJLY i2, 1977 of Home Affairs 300 ?rr?T t ’ « f k 5P7»; »TTfo gfro TT v w *fK *ntr ?ft ^ > T t, fil^ ?RT qfl«(H Hf ^ T^ ^ ^^PfKTT t I ^ if% ftr# % f«R ^m?TT I , Fft^FT ^ ^HTWT f%' 3TT ^nKfr ^ I ^f^Ci ^ I *f>^ f% if if ^f*T?JTT WTO ^ ^ I if «ftT %?ff if I, rre?n^ ^ ^ *Ft 51TR I ^rm t, ??r ^ »qT^ ^ ^di».MI ^r «T^»aM ^ ^ ? R f % ^ f> T T I ^ ^ f^TTT *iTrf^l ^ f% ^ ^nft 5TT?ff q r 5ftnr % Tra- if f?r is rTRft^r ^ ^rNr ^p t ^ T^^Tnfttvnrl 1 i966 if f% durvri^ ^ ^ ^ ^rr# T % , ^*0'VH % ^ ?rr fti ^ ^ spjT 4 0 ^ TTC^qf^ ^r 5TSTR q r^ s ^ ' f % fr^ipfw^ t i f 5 F f t T 7 ^ qf^UTtr gjcT^'t WtT: ’(ft 5T?raT !TTO rrc^TF^^ ^t^n =9rrf^, qr€f ^ 3rnTT 'anrf^ ?tVt 'u & ^ 10-11 ?TFr ^ T f t t , ?nft a+ '3ti TT 'm 4 ' i i ^ ' T ^ ^ I ^miqfcT % f?nT =arrf^ ^ x ^ s w f t t ssrfiRT T t »m5T TT 5TWT qTO . 35ft t I ^ ^ *T?ft 5ft ^ ^T|»rr % t ^ 'TPT gpflJiSTRT «Tf?TT ^1 f% IX ) ftr?5ft ^ fr^?T3T % 'R 14 srr^friVsr ^ ^ -wnft % ^ if, ^ srnr, ^ ^ »1rfT sro ft I , 5pft?ff % «t5T iPTcflr t ?iY?: ^ ftfT ^ ^ t f w m 5l|t fST t » ^ TT ^r^', arn? i ^ ^ | ?tt g »r?JtPTl^Tf^T^hr 5Tt1w qr^T’ % jt5T% ^I" ?f rr r«rn»> »n^lfT5>ir «ff*T - ^ 1r m t^ «ftr W 4 W + d l ^ % ?Tf?T ^ ^ «!rTf^ I 5® ^ ^ |m I isstht: lo ^rdf ^'TCr i t ^ »T^‘' f??^''r $’if rfr SCTTT 'jft ir^tmwlrs^ T tfw I, ^ jp^TRT fr ^, % ^"t % < 1 ^ i f 9T?T ^ r tr n>{|^il I , t ^ c JT ^ 3TTtli I ^ »T^ ifsft ^ w k f*T ^'t ghr if r| I I !Tf I iiTtqtwhPT ^ ?r?T fa??ft ^ oft ^ 100 “^T?r'snT^ ?tVt «(’aiTT I ^ if fa?iT f5(T I fa »rtW> z r ^ ^ if »T? irm ^1r if ?Tf ^ qi^in, ^ ?WT fr # ?r TT^T % i f ^ 5 T I % 3TT^ ^ Y b r r m l I f n ^ JT^ ^ 30 53T5r % if 5^T if f% ^ t 5 ^qrr fTT ^n?T | ?t>t 5^ ^ fa?n I W ?TT 5TiT^ qijf ?rr jf ^ ;mtnr| ^ # ? T T ^ % JT^ 55rTOT f a ^1“ 5Ti^ I I iT ^ t t ^ ^'T f ^ T t f a TTtsfr 3> ff fa ^<3ifr^' ^ % firtr ;ffft ^wffnTTTT i q ^ ^ »TT, ^ ^ ^T^T ^ ^rrtTTff S rf VXtV *T^t% ^ ?TT^ ^ ?;sFrft ^ if t, ^ ^ 303 1977-78—Min. JULY 12, 1977 of Home Affairs 304 [>sft SHRI N. TOMBl SINGH (Inner Manipur): Before I make a few points ^ * T ^ t ^ flTT by way of participating in the debate t itseto ifVo ^5T miT ?ft on the Demands of this very im portant Ministry, may I draw the at f^TTn^y ^ ^ ^ I ismtjft tention of the hon. Home Minister to % 5TRT?r ^ jft «fV ^ ^ the fact that I am representing a very sensitive and troubled State namely, ^ ^ t. ^ ^ I Manipur which was known for hand- looms and dances, has of late been in the news for lirgoscale defections as fiTTs ^ t ?rrgf)- a result of Janata machiiiQtions and conspiracy at the top level in Delhi. ? R ^ «ft, CRT t ^ JTf JTHT ^ This is a very unfortunate part IT 317 ifm^fir 5T»J?RT of our history. Although the change ^ 4 ir ^ ^r 9 T ^ has been there in the whole country, whether it is for the good or for the" ^5TI% ip f?rq WTfTTT ^ ^ ^ tSTJfV^ ?t bad, history will judge. We are not in ’ S f t ? r h % 1%cr 10 ^TM ^'T'T a hurry to pass judgments, although the spokesmen of the Janata Govern % ^ ^ ^3rn^ I ^ ment are impati-int with their opti ^ ^TPT ^ «ft ^ 'm fr % mism even before they complete three I ^'T> W 'Tnr % f^Tt^ ?T*TT ^ <4' IV, 1 0 months in office. WTT ^ I, ^ 9r*f The beginning that the Janata Party has made in this sensitive area is not 11 ?nnT ssft ^sfT'rr ?r commendable. There are small ^ STR^^TR fen «TT 1 0 5?TM ^qir States in this region which do not fol ^ ^ n tn I >sft ^nr^Tm tt^ low the normal yardsticks in many respects. I wonder whether the hon. ?rr^ ^ ^ ^ ir ^n^tr ^ Home Minister has visited any of the ’^Ti^ I it »fwt 3ft % ^IIT small States in the Northeastern ?r ^ % f^tr 3ft areas. If he has not, I would request him to get the benefit of my observa ^ t, ^ qft ^ T ^ T tT ^ I 1 t tions which I make not from party ^ ^ ^ttth I I t r j ^ point of view. Even during the Con gress regime speaking as a Congress % ?r^ t| f ?ftT t m T T T m man, I used to be critical. Generally, ^t ^ t'blfl r^f'^fcTt ^ I the Central leaders do not have much ^ ^ 'R T T Tft?TT?nT WT'TfT I time and opportunity to study the problems of these outlying areas first 3TT ^!t ^JTTTf: ^ ^ f? ^ % hand. Therefore, they are judged f 'T t l ? T ^ ^ 3pTcTT t r from a distance, and most of the time not correctly. Such has been our mis f^nr ^ ^T I fortune in many respects. % f*T »flT^ SR I I ?TTf«T^: 16.30 hrs. ^ TW .^HT ir 5ft STrrTTT, ^ I JT f [Shri M. Satyanarayan Kao in the Chair] ^ 3 R c tt ^ ^ !rrx t»ft I In the course of my speech, I am going to praise the Congress leader ship for their deep understanding of the problems of t h e area and express % '?rw » m T ^ the hope that the Janata G o v e r n ^ ^ | 5 T *PT?TT g I ment too w ill follow certain special 305 jP G., 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Affairs 306 ^yardsticks for the northeastern areas. atmosphere of stability. This has been I am not a lone voice in praising the done away with now. When the \im- erstwhile Congress Government, be pire himself encourages the players cause I am following the example of to play foul, where is the remedy? Shri Atal Behari Vajpayee, the hon. This is a case of bad umpiring; this External Affairs Minister, who made is also a case of bad invigilation which a statement on foreign policy the other encourages copying from books in the day. He paid unreserved rompliments written examinaiicn. Now, we talk to the former External Affairs Ministers of anti-defection Bill, of discouraging beginning with Panditji and ending defection, and talk of so many other with Chavanji. I am also going to good things, what is being done in give unreserved compliments to the practice in this small area which Is erstwhile Congress leadership for their .supported by the Centre in every res understanding of the special problems pect? Immediately after the Lok of these outlying areas. In the begin Sabha elections, the leaders of the ning, they also committed mistakes Janata Party conspired like house when they converted Nag^iland into breakers and said: “Let us break the a State. We had said at that time that peace in Manipur.” If we believe in if Nagaland was to be converted into traditon, there is a belief jn Manipur a State, we had no objection but things that whenever a war or general wave should not be taken in a piecemeal reaches Manipur, it ends there. When way and there should be no casual British empire was extended upto treatment of the problems because Manipur, that marked the end of the ex these are areas which are inhabited pansion. When the Second World War by different peoples with different so touched Manipur, from both sides that cial background and aloof from the was the end of it. This is an indica mainstream. Therefore, any casual tion. When the Janata wave touch treatment to the problem of the peo ed Manipur, that is the end of it. It ple there will be harmful. Any is not an astrological forecast; I am change in the political set-up at the not an astrologer. I am explaining Centre is not going to solve our pro our own traditional belief which has blems because we have our special been established and which has stood problems. In the last few months, the test of time for so many) genera strange things have happened. I was tions, for thousands of years. This elected from Inner Manipur Parlia is borne out by several instances like mentary Constituency and another col the Second World War and of the league of mine was elected from the extension of British empire. Outer Manipur Parliamentary Cons tituency, both on Congress tickets. But, unfortunately, immediately on ar THE MINISTER OF STEEL AND rival here, my friend was snatched MINES (SHRI BIJU PATNAIK): Is away from us. A prominent leader that why the Congress also was finish ed when it touched Manipur? of the Janata Party conspired with Mr. Saiza who is now posing as Chief Minister. I have no quarrel with him; SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH; The I have great admiration for him. But Congress will never be finished. (In there is a saying in our State that it terruptions). The Congress ^^111 not is very easy to spoil a cup o f tea but be finished anywhere. it is very difficult to muddle a big tank. The Janata Party could behave as it chose in other States, but why MR. CHAIRMAN: You please ad should it spoil our small State? The dress the Chair; don’t yield to inter Congress Party has established sta ruptions. bility not only in Manipur but in Mi zoram, Nagaland, Tripura and other adjoining areas with much understan SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH: Sir, they ding and patience and developed the are encouraging me to expose ’them. 307 D.G., 1977-78—Min. JULY 12. 18(77 bf Home Affairs 308 [Shri N. Tom bi Singh] When they remained Congressmen, I shall be yielding to them so long as th ey Were goondas, thieves arid so on in the eyes of the Janata. When they it is to my advantage. The Congress is not going to die. If I look at the cross to that, side, they become over Benches on that side, I feel the Con night angels and heavenly beings. gressmen are still ruling the country. This is how the Janata Party thinks and acts. Even the h'on. Home Minister is an erstwhile leader of the Congress Party. I have great respect for him. I think, the hon. Home Minister The Janata Party is yet to be organis will take my observations seriously. ed as such. It is still dominated by I could not conceal my wounded sen Congressmen. If you think that just timents and deep anxiety. I am afraid because you have called yourself Ja this is going to spread to the neigh nata Members and you think that you bouring areas, like Assam. I warn have come from heaven, it is a mis the Home Minister, and other leaders take that you are making. One should of the Janata Party not to touch not commit such a mistake again and Assam, because if they touch Assam again. The difference between this their days will be numbered in a qui side and that side is not much in the cker fashion. Let there be peace; iet matter of principles. The difference there be stability in that region; let appears to be flimsy. Just as we see them develop in their own way. They hockey in Pakistan and India in keen should avoid doing things in a hurry. competition with the same method Without organising themselves, it is and strategy. We are more or less not good to destroy peace in the out of the same stock of people with lying areas. Do not kick with two slight differences here and there. legs unless you are free style wrest There is not much difference. So, I lers and in that too with great train do not think that the Congress has ing. Otherwise, it means you are gone out of power. We are still in going to spoil your own case. This power; we are having the Govern is the warning. ment run by Congressmen. Some I want to say something concerning day I believe some reconciliation will Manipuri language. This has been come about. the link language ot the entire other Indian languages. This has a provision gihould be made so that they special justification for this. It is now get a special quota in the All India a language of the State. We have Services. Sindhi in the Eighth Schedule although Lastly, the north-eastern areas, tak in fact it is a Stateless language. We en as a whole, should be brought into have no objection if Sindhi has n place the mainstream. This cannot be done in the Eigihth Schedule, w hy can w e by saying alone. We arp unfortunate not include a language like Manipurl back-benchers. Those who are in the in it? With all the emphasis in my back-bench see the front-benohers, command let me urge the Home but the front-benchers do not looK Minister to introduce a Bill in this back, do not see the back-benchers. behlf without delay. If there is a competitive test in geo graphical knowledge, among us, those Coming to the All India Services, of us who are in the outlying areas there is special reservation and other will beat those enlightened few who facilities for the SC & ST in the coun are in the Capital, who are the so-call try. There are communities which ed great leaders because they see only are backward but not listed as back from a distance—from the stage. ward. Manipuri is one for instance. I speak as one w ho has been a There should be a special considera victim of misunderstanding and—I tion for such communities which are should say—misjudgment by the rest actually economically and socially of the country. I am not speaking of backward but which are not in the Janata Party alone. This has been list of SC & ST. I do not say that this my experience everywhere. Speak is the case only with Manipuri; there ing as a Congressman also, if I go to might be similar cases all over India. the AICC meeting, nobody will identi I would suggest that the Home Minis fy me as a typical Indian there; hey ter should arrange a special survey will ask me, ‘Are you from Nepal or of such backward communities which Sikkim or Tripura? and I would say are not in the lists so that special •guess’. The same thing happens protection could be provided in the even in a shop in Chandni Chowk, selection of IPS, IAS and similar wherever I move. Sometimes, know other All India Services. Only then ing full well that the enquirer is not there will be some meaning of pro from Tamil Nadu, I ask him, ‘Are tection of the weaker-sections of cne you from Tamil Nadu?’. He feels Ir backward people. I hope this aspect ritated and retorts. ‘How dare you will receive special attention from put this question?’ Then I the hon. Home Minister. I have made would say, ‘How do you put this the same demands, and similar sugges- question to me?’ This only shows Itions, with the erstwhile Congress that there are people in this country government also. So far as I under who are not easily identified as stand, the erstwhile Congress leader typical Indians... ship had maintained proper under standing and link with the backward MR. CHAIRMAN: Please conclude. communities and were making Your cause will be taken up by the due consideration although the final other Members also. h a p e could not be seen. I do not know whether these efforts would be con SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH: I wa? tinued by the Janata Ministry. The going to impress on the Home Minis Janata Government will deserve its ter through you that the north-eastern name only when these are done. In areas comprising Assam, Tripura, most cases their utterances here and Manipur, Meghalaya, Nagaland and there are not followed by action, at Arunachal Pradesh should be brought least in this respect this should not into the mainstream by a comprehen fail for the sake of protection of back sive programme jointly taken by the ward classes which are not included Ministries of Education, Information in the Scheduled Castes and Tribes; a and Broadcasting ajid Home. Thfs 311 DO., 1577-78—Min. JULY 12, 1977 of Home Affairs 312 [Shri N. Tom bi Singh] TfT t i ■»nnf ^ f I TfT jrq-q' I ^rPTJftJT ^ f t f?Tf 3ft fg- ^ TST ^ ^TTrTT q r ff | 3 0 ^ ?ftT s"5TRnr ^ % I q 9rT?TT ?r?7rT % 1 ^rasnr 1 1 ^ ^ ^'tf wt ^ 3To ^ ^ I 'ft# % ? ft^ t I ^HTT •3^ ^ ?rtT % ^«r «ft fN^r$m iT^ ft HYt ^ ^ TfT 1 1 5TT ^ ?rnr % ^ ^ mKI ^ntriTT 3ft STSTFFT ^ rftT ? fR 5r>rnT fir 1 1 I • 'TTCf ^ f t WRTT Jf m i ^ !TTf>5TcT ^rfsRTRf ^ I, SRR ferr hH,*! I Of ETT^rfVT ^ «l IC1 ^ f f JTT ^ I IT? ?TW ^ !T^ t ^iff- 'Jiidl TfT ^ 3ft f% sfTF^ ^>ff %■ 'Tfr^ I anr^ t | I stttT ^ ^ ^ ^>ff ^ Jr I f t «nf«Trff f Bi ^ ^fsnr ^ sRTTfvr ^ afT?r ^ wT?r^tw ^ ?ft ?TTO II ^ ?n^ *mr f% f¥ ?rft 313 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Affairs 314 ^^nrrfvi i w ^ f* r^ «R^ ^r Tm gf^T qr*r % ^ R H T T W «TT f^ ra T w 3mr I w f ?T % % ^TTf % ^ »rf, ^fT% ^r ^r^n ?rV^: i f f r ? f ^ f%TT *r ^ ?rrnT ir ^ f e n »mT 1 ^ T ? : ^ 1 - f^ fzr ^1r ft 'TFTT «tt i i f ^ f e r #zfhr %■ $rnr ^ 'TT^ ijcq ^ I ?nriT ^PT^Tt *rr^ 9rRTT q- ?rrf 1 1 # ^ ^ ? f^ ^TTtEff 5PT ’TtT^^T if WTlTT ^TTttt =^Tf?TT f, f i r ^ ^ ^ «TT I ? r r ? r ^ r r fr % ?tt't; <7^ f f *rar *tt f%q-T W , ^rrsRT 5F1% % ? > t> % g m ^ ^T^rnTT ^ 3 ^ ^ »lt I l^fV STTrTT STT I ^ ■^^T HTIT VST ?TT^ ^ cr^ m^T • ^r-^' irr srs" ^ ^T ?r?^T f^ % t?57 m W ^T ? m I ^ ^ |?TT «TT, q ^ f ^ T g jT - o t r ^ »rf ifV«T ?n fa ^ ?TT? H mTT f ’ T . T g i q - ^ ' t ?TTTTftJlff T T f\' CTTIT cs f w ^ »T T %f^5T % ^fT fen- W f ^ .T flT^TT % rrr3FT ? ft > ff ^^w:j ^ 53T 5TT STT, % gJ’Tf 'P' ^»T ^y% ^fcT ^ r f ? f ) T m WTT 'F«TT q r T?? w:t ^ '^2: k-s is • w 1%nrr I ^rnr % JTT^T^'tJT 5FT iT^f ^^TT ^ ftirr, f;ra% ^itot ?TTq'nT ^ | ?rnr ^ ?f?rt 11 T^r W ^ I ? 3 T f ^ 5 T ^ % HITT | tT ?TT^ ^ nt>^”Y % JiM < fr ift ^r I , Jr J T ff V I i Im '?iMd I o cfr ^ strf^ =2nr^ 1 1 st>r =3|t^' | f I , W\T ^ I r ft f r o »nTT «m i(^ '+ farr>!Tt q-sT % ttt^ jt ^ ^'t I ^i^?TT ^ 5 f F 7 ^ 1 1 ^ iT ^ ?HR f ^ iw I, ^?rJr, JTFRTt ?nrr iwft | cfr n^7 ^ Sf w iT = ^ ‘^ - ?TPT5ffT JTf T’sr^TT f% ?nit aitf % ^JT % » f t 55rFT ^ ?rflr p ” ^ !T R ^ft ?R frn: ir I :jqT ^ srfa^rd t ^ JTJftfcT I ?TT3r % ^ t 5!TT%?r I 5 n T ^ 5 f ^ Tf 55nT^m?T ??fa?F | , ?rmcT ^f ?R J T r^ ^^T % ?ifa^TRjff ^T ?rfa^ ?'TT fr^T I I |tT I ?f^ST ^ ^ ’I? ^ t=5rT> w fV ft^ft-TlJt % 5 T ^ s f Y ?r>T ^ ^3TRT f I 'T T ^ ^ 1 1 in ?r> friT: ^ S f ^ ^ 5 ? m ^ T ^ ^ w k ?TTT tT h W ’JT sfTT^ ftT I 2 0 3F> ^ 'T^ TTT^pft^ qr ^ ?rftr^Tft ^ ^ TTR I rTTf ^ ^3^1? ff T[j Tf^'V ^ «TT I ^ q r I ^ q r ^ ^ d " # | t f ^ 5 1 ^ ^ ^ f I *r>T^5T % w r ^ ^ ? r r ^ J T ^ 1 1 315 D.G., 1977-78—Min. JULY 12, 1977 oi Home Affairs 316 'TT^ g?| ^foTir fw srmr, »iY ^suT ^ sTR’n I ^ffr^T t «r k ^ 5 r m ? ? r i f =•— fJTTft 3 f t fir3r?5T ^ ?T%irr f® ?T#fW?ft3r % 5RT^ ^ WTW 3qr^ 3^5IT^ «fT I ^ W T f t S f t , ?T5«r ir t SFTJT^T^ ^TR iftq' <1^ ^ s r ^ f a r e n ^ Tns' ^?;jTr ^t^rr 1 H l*-i| «TT ?tVT *TPTi#JT »T^ ? flT STETT^ ^ ITT ^ f t T ^ « ft, 3 f V ^ if OTq>-?rrq> spf ^Ir ^ 5ft»ff ^ I, ^ 5rrar?t ^ f ^ 3 T h r w i f % ftR 3fj% ®t?ft »r^ I ^ ^ 317 D.G., 1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home A^airt, 3^8 ^ OTTT^^ I |lW3^%.WftR>(f> ^ ^TTTfv % ^ 'TT STfR t^TR ^ ffif, 3JT7: 3ft STRT I I f W ; ws f>ft ?rh: ^ 1i ?Tf ^ ^ «ff, 5>n- I SnR 3! ^irr $rf^ ?n^ ^ Tt 3r ^ , s ^ r w t ?T«ft if f ® 5 T ^ ^r |IT q-Tef ^ ^<+r5T ^'Y ?ftT ^ ’Fq- ^ ^ spt y<+K ^ t , ?nft f^^TTf ?nrr WR Tft I f% ^ f ® ^ 5T^ I w r ^ ^ 3 sr?mrT i ^r I I iiTT I 1% ^ ^ ^ m f«T ^ ^r ^ ^ 5ft ?R% %r if I >1^ JT^ ^ ^ ?TF3r ^ ^»fl- ^ ^?fl- firocT ^t?Y t^\ Tm=?T^, iT^ ^ ff ?fh: mT % t fsF % ?TT!T '^«TT9r JTT TemW iTTeJR- % JTR^5T if^l- ^ ^ f^^TT jFFT I # 53T'E % ?TR*ft I , ^^Tf^TT i I -arfrT 5it?r ^ ^fto ^r ?rq%-TTR ^ ^ > f iTo ^fto ^ |5iT ?n ?jT3r ^ f r g r f 5T^ 1 1 ^ gr^R ^ f ® ^>ff w m 5ft% ^T?Rr?r Jr ^ i ^ 'Tpsii ^ ^ ^>l1f :p> ^5T ZTRnmr ?t »lf | «r i% frqr |> ^rraY «ft eft ? fk ^3rR ^ ^PTcrr, ^ % ^>*r «r ??mT ^ ^ !fk ^ % qfrwR ?rrq- ^ ?ftT ?fk sjrq’f ^ ^ I ^5t> t ^ | f ?nmT fiT ^ t | I ?rR ^tpT ?Tf% ^ IT^ ^rPTT | 1 ^ ^TR f ^ r I ^ w ^ r 'TrIT «n ?fk 'sk^T ^ f^T irr?^T2R, 3T5 gro I f% ftr ^ ^ w jy n q^JTT WRFT 5r srrar t jtt ^>f sirfer 1%?ft % % fT 'T ^ f ’^^rr f^r ^?r% ?r?% q r ? r f£ r ^ ^ i t r t | , ^ % ’TcTT TTRT t ?r> “ ?>, ^nx ?rq% ^ ^ft^lf T t stM wct =?Tfcrr ^ ?f^>iT ^«TT ITT ^ fcTTT ^ I I 5f$3T q-ft ?rnT eft !Tp ft ^ I ??fV cR f ?t % W % m>TT % ? R T ? r f£ r ^ ^ n m r 5 fk ^r l? n I %f<^ ^ ^>T q r ^ !T ^ ^ f w I sr^f ’TT, rft ^ fkm 5rrar m f ?r irrETT % ^ r f^ r^<-^wR ^ ?f>T qr€f ^FT^ ^T?ft ?rir tt ?mr t t w ^nrrqr i t ^ I HI ^ ^ M 5rT9i ^r^JTT Vl^eTT f ftr g-iTJr 'T ^ ffTfrr I ftpr 'stsht^ 3;qr ^ ^TJT ^9T ^f ^ W RR «H s f k ^ v^l^vcTr STT %■ ^^nfy ^ ^9T ^ srg'R ^rnr^ftiTT «ftR ^ ?rk ^gr ft^TT t gft ?ft%vft ^ ^ T T mtft «ft, eft ^55!^ ?TT^ WTeT 319 D.G.. 1977-78—Min. JULY 12, 1977 of Home Affairs 320 to the modem civilisation is the unity it diversity. The All India Anna. D.M.K., to which I have the honour- to belong, is fully committed to the cherished ideal of national integra w m h r tion. I would like to refer to certain % ^ ^ g?TT^ f?tT «r I things which would develop, not disrupt, the national integration and f ® |5qr |!TT, %f^?r t unity. ftfT f?T ^ ^ ^ Sir, there is, unfortunately, a grow f% in iriR % ?R^q- ing feeling among the people in Ta mil Nadu, especially among the on- ^ ^ Hindi speaking people that the Jana ^ sT'-rr^ T ^ ? r k fsr^r ta Government may in course of time ^q- TT TTfT ^ ^q- Jr f attempt to impose Hindi on the non- Hindi speaking people. Hero, I has ^ sr^ra' f+ ^ I I ten to add that the people of Tamil Nadu are neither protagonists of lin ap^ ^ ?T?^ it t guistic parochialism nor antagonists ♦o the advancement of Hindi. But f f% ^rnr ^ ^ ^3ftwt 'Tiff they do not like the imposition of a % ?TPT t ? r k ^ t =Ei>HfV language alien to them. I would like to recall what happened in 1965 when =^Tor f?r? ^ ^'t ^ fV |, ^ flf^RTPr the entire State of Tamil Nadu was % Jr ^ ^ ^rr I in the grip of the fear of Hindi im ?n’^ ^ ^'t ?nf%T^ ?pq-rrsjt position. Many blossoming buds of humanity, student-leaders like Aran- t ITT JT R f^ ^nrrrft | qr ganathan, Chinnaswami and Sivalin- t, ^ ?rnr ^ ^ ^ % ^vftcr gam sacrificed their lives by self-im molation—by pouring petrol over t ?frr ^ ?Tt^ 1 1% ^SRcTT TTjf ^ ZTf themselves and getting themselves ^ % ?ft ^'T 5rrsfV I I burnt—for a cause dear to their heart. Sir, I would like to give a word of f ?r ?T5?f % ?rm ^ ? m t ^ ?tjtt^ warning to the Janata Government that they should guard against the ^TTcTT f. I recurrence of such ghastly human in fernos. India’s unity should not be •SHRI V. s. ELANCHEZHIAN (Pu- come ? victim in the process of impos dukkottai): Mr. Chairman, Sir, on ing Hindi down the throat of Bn un- behalf of my party, the All India Anna wil'ing people. Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, I rise to make a few sug;?estions on the De Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, bearing mands for Grants of the Ministry of tnis in his mind, gave a solemn as Heme Affairs. surance that Hindi will not be impos ed so long as the non-Hindi speak Sir, our country is a vast sub-con ing people do not want it. The non- tinent inhabited by 60 crores of peo Hindi speaking people are afraid that ple of different races, speaking many this assurance may be violated. They languages. India is a mosaic of many are right in their thinking that, if cultures. India has proved to the this assurance becomes a law, then world that she is the bastion of demo the violators may not go with im cracy and her ancient culture is a punity. The Janata Government must beacon-light for the nations of the take the initiative in enacting a law world. India’s exclusive contribution incorporating the solemn assurance of ♦The original speech was delivered in Tamil. 321 D.GL, 1977-78—Afin. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Affairs 322 Pandit Nehru that Hindi will not be status of a serf in the existing state itnpoEed so long as the non-Hi.idi of affairs. Four-fifths of the taxation speaking people do not want it. revenue is appropriated by the Central Government. The entire foreign ex Sir, the All India Anna D.M.K. has change resources are at the disposal become the ruling party in the recent of the Central Government. Besides elections to the Tamil Nadu State As this, even when a foreien Government sembly. In spite of various allegation ^ ^ive.-, aid to a State project, the Cen of misdeeds and malpractices, the D. tral Government treats in as a loan M.K. has become th 2 second big party to the State Government and decovers followed by Congress and Janata it with interest like an usurer. I Party. This has clearly proved that will illustrate this by giving the exa the people of Tamil Nadu have re mple of Kundah Power Project in posed their faith in the political par- Tamil Nadu for which the Canadian tries which, they think, will protect Government gave all the machinery their language and prevent the impo K£: aid; yet the Central Government sition of Hindi. I will go back to fiebited the State Government the 1971 and in fact even to 1967, when cost of this machinery and recovered the Congress, which considered Tamil vhe loan with interest. Sir, you will Nadu as its Fort, was dethroned by agiee with me that to this extent the the people of Tamil Nadu because of slender resource of the State is fur their fear that the Congress in Tamil ther sliced. I will give another ex Nadu may not stand up to the impo ample of how the State Governments sition of Hindi. Then the D.M.K. was are hendered m their day to day ac catapulted to powir. I have referred tivities. When the State Government to the past because the Janata Party finds it necessary Ic have a culvert should take a lesson from it and come across a National Highway, which is forth with legislative proposals say under the charge of the Central Gov ing that Hindi will not be imposed ernment, with a view to watering the on the unwilling non-Hindi speaking trops which would otherwise wither people. away, the Central Government’s prior perni'ission must be obtained. Sir, the A i was pointed out by me earlier, prices of essential commodities are India is a land of many races speak soaring sky-high. The people natu ing a variey of languages in a varie gated cultural mlleu. The 1971 Cen rally blame the State Government and t’leir Ministers for not acting prompt sus has thrown up certain facts which ly to bring down the prices of essen T would like to mention here. Sir, tial commodities. The crime is com only 13 crores of people in our coun mitted by one and the punishment is try have given Hindi as their motner- awarded to the other. The money tongup in this Census and about 40 supply and the creation of abundant crores of peopTe have declared other credit;; are in the exclusive jurisdic languages as their m other-tongue. It tion of the Central Government which is bat natural for the majority ol fan the flames of inflation leading to the people to feel that they are be price spiral. Yet the State Ministers ing overpowered by the minority of are the vicarious victims. Sir, all people if Hindi is sought to be im these things nave been referred to by posed. It becomfeg all the more ne the Finance Minister of West Bengal cessary and urgent that Nehru's as in his press interview. You will find surance about language should be the^e things in today’s newspapers. legislative support. If the Central Government is keen The Central Government has got to foster national integration, then it all the powers in its hands and con is time that the Centre-State relations sequently the State Governments are are given a fr«s5li look. It is a fact not able to discharge their duties for that the State Government enjoys the which they have been elected by the 1459 LS— 11. 323 D.G . 1977-7&—Min. JULY 12. 1977 of Home Affairs 32 4 [Shri V. S. Elanchezhian] ^tl % ^TTT % people. The Central Government must 1%tt f ® srm give immediate thought to the devo I 1 2 ^?r, 1 9 7 5 % lution of powers which would stren gthen undoubtedly national integra 25 1 97 5 fsRT T T # T?: JT? tion. The State Governments, which ^ ^ q rff are the immediate representatives o* the people, must be empowered to ^ ^?r, TT^ s?ri% % TT^ ^ act effectively for the welfare of the ^ ^ ^ 3 ^ IT]' fk^TT fsf> people. f3RT ^ Sir. crming to the question of Sche ?T^H+dl ^ ^TRTT^r duled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and Backward classes, I would like to point JT^T^nr % WTK ?PT% srsTRffiT^ out that out of the proposed expen ^rfrtflr % ^ f ^ diture of Rs. 15,800 crores in this year’s budget, only a paltry sum of #ITR cr^rTT#^ 5RTtr Rs. 20 crores has been provided for ?naTT TT ?TT%'^ Jr ^ 3TT ?t% the social welfare schemes of per 20 if «ft !Th: cent of country’s population. Sir. nearly 12 crores of people belonging yNid+i?fj^f?5q-fh’ 5rt'sftw«JTTI ^ n to the scheduled castes, scheduled tribes and backward classes are below 5T 5H«(H+ f ^ poverty line. If they are to be given the basic minimum needs, if they are % IRT ^ f^T 5T^T % to be sheltered from Sun and showers, % Pttt then the Central Government must ‘ C' increase this sum substantially. Si % i%TT ? % milarly, they are not geting job Tf d?«rT^n^fT^ opportunities in proportion to their ^ f^qr w r ? Tr'3r?«TR number in the total population. The Central Government must come for- % f ^ n r >sft ^ f s R w^ard to do justice and fa’rplay by ' R if m?:?T ?rm jtt these downtrodden people. % fir^ WTT ^rpTT % T n m Jf ^ r t f f I am thankful to you for giving me an opportunity to participate in this ^qTT % % ?nfTtT 't t ^ discussion and conclude my spcech |tr t , ^ tTT ?JT3T ?T?r with these few words. ff I ^ arfw srwifkT ?rfw+i<) «Tn^ ?rr3r I i f ^ ^ fTT ?fWrT^ 5tfk ?I?T % % ’snq' ^ T^T srrqr ^ ?HTT ^nrPTWT ftrft ?rh: ^ f%qr ^3rn7. ^?rr srTTRTfjr^ T 5 T ^ R % a^TTT ^ fJTRT SrifTTT WT[ v [\ k gff?^ fw w stttt ^Tlf^ ^ if ^ ti'Ji'ilRi't' 'jft^ ^f f?T sr+K ^ ^ JTT^T % s n ^ JT T I # J T f »r?T?r «r t ^ i n ^ % ?n*T%, 3ft ?TTjr ^ % snT*: sryr«T ^ srvmrf^TV ^ ^ it ^jrq- t , ^T^nr 1 ^ H f ¥ sr^R % 3T^ifS5 3RT ^ 6 0 WTTt ¥ 3^5 ^5.G., 1977-78—Min. 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P I - ^ ? n t ° '1^0 ? r f f ^ q - f ^ «TT, ^ ^ f t 'JT R ^ ?n f^ ?R m s f l ^ % 5T?IPT Tl'^ ^T^'Y ---- +'H4 The very concept of demociwicy will 35,000 ^ ftVeRT ^ ^ I change according to circumstances. y^VT ^ TlTJ qr Tf ^ ^ m f 3T?mft9 T ^ ^ w r ^ ■JTTT^ 'rf^.'f^-^f^ii f % ^rryn; 't t f^1 I ^ %^r f ^ T d ^ R Jf SPT «ft SiTtT I ir^ ^'t |, wTi^'n:% ?rftr5^5rpT% fJTi^ ^?r ^ ststftj?'^ # ’iTRt^ ^ f< + ' 4 ^ IV fTH, m 5irf^ % ^STFTR fw ^ I fftnrTT JffT ?TfTF-cf fTT, ?rsr ^ ?!m TF^^TR % lT5qTT^> ^ fv I ^ I Jff if WRT ?Tt . fsr^r Wch: srt^ ^f?r^ 'at'tt it HTiTjfhT ^ 0Tf?T5 if|- % iJWWf^ w n : ^poir ^ 3T5 f^^T W f^ ^ 5T 1 ^ ^ ^ |tr ^ % «TT, ^ m j ’^TMPT 5T ^ ^ I t JrPTfTT «TT f^ ^TU\ ^^rf^'CVewr fw r i % 5TT JTTT^FcRTW "^fTOT ^ f ® 3ft , cnfp ?n# JW[ «JTJfPT f m f r o fTiTT ^ ^ ^ % siT ^ n ^ ' vrt *rf , % iw w 5tfk ^ % TFsr^ R % 1TRif)"?r^W5%' I inRsnmTRTifsRTeiT 5ft JT^RFsr 3TT^ Trf, ^ q f 3ar3Tf«TT « t r 1^ ^ Wf 3|T ^, v O j. ^ ifiT^TT ^ Jffrf JT^ ^ m x t ^ ^ ^l4 ^ 'TT^^ I ferr I iT^ ^ f r n t ^ ^ I IT# «ft >sft % ?hj?r if ^ qr I 5TH«^I'fl ^ »T!n ift ^ w^^ JT? ftr jpj«r?T t ^'sr ^ I %1%iT ^qfTT «ft 7 ^ I if ^r-^ ffr^TRK ^ ^ ?TFPT ^ »T^TT I 7 ^ t- ^ ^ %?T ^ f-T+irt sr: ^ I f I t q-? W?5T ^T = ^ T ^ i ^ ^ if irff^nrf ^ fT ff w f ^TTcft I I o iT o t ^ o ? iw !:, ^ ^ f s r ^ if-’fa-^ STOTT % TT3T if-^^T! qr ?n%r ?ft7 w m r TTK, - jiR k if iT^ irfftTT # % JTP#- ^ T !t;, ? fk ? n ^ jt^ sir •ffr if srsftT 3 m ^ *FTT, cn1% ^ T , ^ ^ «TT3T cTWr 'Tf |IT I I t ^Tf ^ im ?T 5rm I *T%rr smpr #^1', % sr*f!TT ^ 5^T?^' ^ 1 1 ^ r i % sTf 5Tflr 1 1 % ir^ t I ^ ^ 11 ^ ^ 20 ?TT^ m 5T t , ^ I I % ?Tk r LShri Jagannath Raoj their task as early as possible. If the judges feel that once the task is over, stick to it and get it through. From they will be out of jobs, you can that angle I am saying all this. assure them alternative jobs. I am very confident that these eminent Immediately the Janata Govern judges will come to correct conclu ment come to power, it appointed a sions; and We will be guided by number of Commissions to go into them. the excesses and atrocities committed during the Emergency. I am glad you Now about the Emergency. Emer have done it, it is highly necessary. gency was imposed. The question is: When not only the Members of Par- what should the government of the liment, but also the people outside day do, suppose a situation arises in complained that so many excesses and the country. The government of the atrocities had been committed on day has to govern. It has two courses them, it is the duty of the Govern open, viz. to take preventive action, ment of the day to appoint some or to wait till the offences are com Commissions to go into those ques mitted in the country and take tions. And these Commissions are punitive action against the offenders. fortunately presided over by eminent Whatever decision the government retired Judges of the Supreme Court. of the day takes, it comes to a sub And everybody is at liberty to place jective decision on objective facts. It all the information that is at his i.s not for us now to say whether command before the Commissions Emergency should have been impos and the Con.missions will give their ed. It is no good now going into it. findings. And once the findings are The best thing is to forget the past. available, we have to take them fLT Time is the best healer. (Interrup granted that those things had happen tions). ed or not happened. But I would request the Home Minister about one SHRI C. M. STEPHEN: W hv do thing. Let the Commissions be re you want it to be forgotten? quested to expedite their enquiries and finish their jobs in six months. The other day^ Justice Mathur said SHRI JAGANNATH RAO: I do that he would take one year to com not want it to be forgotten in the plete the enquiry into Maruti affairs. sense that what was done was Why is one year necessary? All the correct. Emergency was imposed documentary evidence is readily Several people suffered. Some were available. It is a company. The Com tortured; some were killed. All the pany Law Board is there. The Regis facts will come before the Com trar of Companies is there. The mission. The Commission’s report witnesses are there, who are interest will be available. What I have been ed in appearing before the Com saying is that it is no good discussing mission. I feel that that Commission about Emergency at this stage when there is another forum where every can complete its task in 6 months. I say this for two reasons: firstly, the thing will be gone into. persons against whom allegations are made—they are allegations until they The second submission is that the are proved—should not undergo the Janata party has complete faith in agony for a long tin-.e. Secondly, a Mahatma Gandhi and his teachings. wrong impression will be created in You have all taken oath in Rajghat the minds of the people that if it before taking oath in Parliament or takes too much time, it will be before taking oath as Ministers. When watered down. In the interests of the you talk of Gandhiji, why should public and of the persons concerned, you speak of the two other Gandhis, the judges should come to the end of day in and day out? When you speak 333 ,1977-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Affairs 334 about Gandhiji, you reach sublime texture becomes weak, we as a nation heights. Then why do you at once cannot survive long. Therefore, it is come to mundane thinRs and speak the duty of the Government of the about others? day to revive the spiritual and moral values in the people right from child I want the Commissio;i to cciTiFlele hood, so that every child when' he its work early. grows up becomes a good citizen ----- (Interr^ipUons). We have included N ow about A rticle 356. I think the snme fundamental duties.... (Infcr- election manifesto of the J&rala parl>' ruptions). You are talking of the also has said that article 356 was past, while I am talking of the future. used indiscriminately by the Con Let the Education Minister introduce gress earlier. When it was uir.d by a course in education syllabus right the Cbngress, Otjposition Men^bers from the elementary schools. The said that it W’as bein,^ used for the children should be disciplined. Emer 31st time, etc. Now bv just otic stroke gency brought about discipline. I of the pon, the Homo Minister has used to write to the Prime Minister dealt with 9 States. My point is that of tho day that we have “imposed Article should be suitably amend discipline”. But unless discipline ed. .so that when a situation arises in becomes a w'ay of life, it has no which the government of a Stale meaning. How long can you enforce cannot be carried on in accordance discipline under fear. under the wHh tho provi.>icns of the C-.)nstitu- emergency? The point I am trying tion, that Artidc can be used. I feel to make is that we should be a dis- that the emerge, icy proviFions under rinlinei nation. It should be inculcat Article 352 should remain in the Conf?- ed in the m'nds of the people from titution. because it is a weapon in the the childhoo-l so that it js not neces armoury of the government. But sary to imn )se it from above. T^ie there should be limitations on its use. Education Finister may hp consulted It should be suitably amended, with and somethi 'g done in this direction. safeguards and limitations provided, so that once the Emergency is pro Then I come to the appointment of claimed, Parliament should approve it commi.s.sion.>< against puh'ic men like > once in six months. It can be even Chief M inis'ors nnd Ministers. The within' three months; I do not mind appointment of rommission.s started it. Because, the proclamation under in 1967. It V as in 1967 that in many article 356 has to be approved by States non-Congress Governments Parliament every six months under came to pov'';r. Then they started article 352 a.s it stands today, once an appointing -'ommissions against the apnroval is given, it can continue previous l^'finistries. It started in indefinitely. That situation should be almo.st ever'- State, including Orissa. reversed. We v;ant the emergency powers, but with certain limitations, THE MI^nSTER OF HOME AF so that they would be exercised pro- FAIRS (STIRI CHARAN SINGH): nerly and only for a limited length of Only in Orissa and Bihar; that is all. time. SHRI JAGANNATH RAO; In other I would bring to tho notice of the States al.so Therefore when once a hon. Home Minister that there is a complaint is received against a Minis crisis of character in the country. We ter, or even against thp Chief Minis have forgotten the spiritual and moral ter. I do not sav that it should not be values. The moral values have enquired into, but it should be enquir declined more rapidly than money ed into by a committee of the Home values. That is why the texture of Minister Prime Minister and a senior our nation has become weak. Once Minister. Let them go into the alle we lose these values, once the moral gations and find out if the allegations 335 D.G., 1977-78—Min. JULY 12, 1977 of Home Affairs 336 [Shri Jagannath Rao] Nanda had become the clearing house of all corruption in the country. are true, after taking the explanation Corruption in high places has to be of the concerned Minister. Then they checked. It is the duty of the Home can appoint a commission of inquiry. Minister. I am glad you are introduc ing the Lok Pal Bill and that it will What is happening today? In every apply to the Prime Minister and party in India there are dissidents. In other Ministers. I do not know the Janata Party also dissensions will whether that would be sufficient or come. Then, some members are bound not, but corruption in public life has to complain against persons in autho to be rooted out, so that we have a rity. Will you publish it through the clean public life. Otherwise, our All InSia Radio or straight way image abroad will be spoiled. Com appoint a commission? So, I would plaints coming up against Ministers request the Home Minister to devise in the legislatures are made every day a procedure, or the modalities^ sAs’to which is not good for the country. I how to go into 1.hi5 question. Certainly hope the Home Minister, who is a such allegations have to be gone into strong man, who gave clean adminis and if persons are found guilty, they tration to U.P., and who has created should be thrown out and also great hopes in us of clean adminis punished. But, before that stage, a tration hero, will undertake this task sensation should not be created. In in all sincereity and that he will fact, a public man need not be pro deliver the goods. Nandaji could not secuted: allegations against a public root out corruption. Nandaji went, man is sufficient to spoil his image: corruption remained. I am sure you no separate prosecution is necessary. will remain, corruption will go. V.^hat happened in 196:^? Justice I am not going into administrative Khanna Commiesion was appointed reforms and all that, Shri Kamath against some Orissa Ministers. I do has done that, but the standard of not want to name them. Shri Kamath, IAS officers, ^ am sorry to say, is who is a Member here, got a copy of coming down. All officers are not the Khanna Commi'^sion Report and developm ent-m inded. I find thaf' laid it on the Table of the House and some who have been posted to the wanted the Home Minister to admit districts are interested in the deve it Or deny it. Then there was a furore lopment of the areas, but some are in the House. The Home Minister not. This idea of development, a said “ nothing doing; it is not my sense of belonging to the countryside, document.” The Speaker gave his has to be created in the IAS officers. ruling that because the document had For that we have to see whether the not came from the proper custody, syllabus has to be revised or what while the Member who believed it to training has to be given after they be genuine could place it on the pass the examination, Table, the Government was not bound to accept or deny its genuineness. There was a direction of the Spe&ker. I understand that some IAS candi Therefore, I would request the hon. dates who passed but were low down Home Minister to devise a procedure in the list were assigned to the Cen by which these things can be gone tral Service cadres. They joined as into. section officers. They work for some time and then they become Under The Home Ministry should function Secretaries. Then they have to wait as a clearing house of all corruption till they get a chance of becoming in the country. That is the expres Deputy Secretary. I understand that sion used by Mr. Kamath in this there is a move now to amend the House. Mr. Kamath said that Mr. Ntnda rules so that unl6ss a section officer 337 D.(?„ 1877-78—Min. ASADHA 21, 1899 (SAKA) of Home Afairt 331 has put in seven years of service, he cannot become an Under Secretary. This is a hardship. In any case, it ^5TT ^ t ^ WT 5W should not have retrospective effect, so that those who joined before the 5 1 new rules come into lorce are not affected. «rrsr TEn:^5f1»T5f3|tT|,^ ^tpppt I am glad you have announced the % ?T^' TR ftwm qmwR ^3T ^TfTT 1 1 Tr ST’^T ^ " w m ^ iTpq' t ii ^ ^ i fira' iw 5nFT9r qTrnm % «n^ if ^>i|t ^niT q m *TTt5!nT^^r^ ^ I - 3 ^ inm^nir, TR^ % T5C3T 1 1 I— sfk ?rf«r ^5TWT ^ if ^sTEf if I srwr ^ ^S«« rTV I 1 ^ 5ft H«di ^ II cs • ^ , » T ^ , 9?t «ft x m ilia ^ ^ ^ I5 I ?[^ qr^f % I. ^TTSr 3ft ^ ?T^, t ^ *ncT ^ I *f ^ t srr »r$ 11 sft h I ’ t «nRt»rft3RH % I ’^^TSRTrf v t w ^ ^ t ? * m t m t 5r^*w|^ TT*r fsm W *1TfTWFT] 51^ ^ 5fr»r shrSfsR ^ ^ jtt trW ifV ^ frsr fursFt ^ wft f t r ^ «rr ^ s r a H ^ I «rfP3f5T ^ wnrt *Tnr *nrr, ^ »TT ^ irr^ ^TTi^ir ITT « R T ^ ?f ^irpqV *tt ^nn i ^75 ^ 5nr#tvT HT ^ IT?: *n?ft ^ ^ % ^ saFT iT5rt ^ I ?* R ^ ^ *pft, '?»5rt ^ 72tp ^ frr f t «n 73TT I 5W «ft»Tcft ?firTT *rt^ % 3WT ?TT^ »TJfr I ^ iT5 ^ «rr f*r tlTf^nsJT ^ jfK TO ^ I ^ ^ 5Tt^ w *niT ? r f ^ ^ t, vt^ «TRTq ^ ?n^ ^r f 5 r ^ eft 2r % q'^nraro ^ ^ q m *nrr ?ff ^ If ^ a n v r ^ ^ ^ ir ^ 'Tfnpk fm ?fr*rr 1 's r m ^ f% fft^PT ?rk »rff? ?r>JT 7 ^ ^ *rrr 'TT 5T^ ^^11 1 siVrfejff t t| t, 5TJT, f^T^r ?fk ^if'T*'! srtTR ii% ^ p l ffiny f T ^ t • ^ ^ T , 5T x m ?T TTft tl^ iim W t ^ ii^invT l^remft ijY f W ^ 1 1 ^ l= t< t i ^ ’BW-WW, W!&^TO HTW % ^ 1 H H iwrnftr^nr^ HTcr^FVlvf ?I ^ n m r n f t 97: ^T«r ^ ^ i (TO ^tn ^ fip?ft^ f?T| I ^ WT^ST ^ '^'101 TT *TR % ^ i q ? r ir I ^3^ 7I5TT <^'^*111 « « n n srwT %i)x »rrsf)’ *fTR ^ ^ f’TT^I’ ^ »ft WRT «TT fr 3R ^PTnrrfr : ’imT f^RTTT ?rq?T ^ ^ *ft, ^ >pfk^ m-JTTwr^ ?flT # ir ? ^ ^rf d R |i>l'^ f ^ ‘ f5TH ^ ^ ? «ftTnrf5mm TR ^^F TTT ^^I tT^r irtft % ^flTFT fJTT W ^ |?TT, The Lok Sabha then adjourned till Eleven of the Clock on Wednesday, f^ flT ^ 3IT ^ ffPT I o o July 13, 1917/Asadha 22. 1899 (Saka). 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