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Lord Steel 13 March 2019 122/16-24 IICSA Inquiry-Westminster 13 March 2019 1 Wednesday, 13 March 2019 1 more active than that, so I saw everything only from my 2 (10.00 am) 2 local party perspective. I was an agent in the GLC 3 THE CHAIR: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Day 8 of 3 elections in 1977 to my first husband, but apart from 4 this public hearing. Mr Henderson? 4 that and delivering leaflets, going on demonstrations, 5 MR HENDERSON: Chair, our first witness today is 5 I didn't do much else. 6 Baroness Brinton. 6 I became much more active -- 7 SARAH VIRGINIA BRINTON (BARONESS BRINTON) (sworn) 7 Q. Let me just pause you there. Thank you. Could I just 8 Examination by MR HENDERSON 8 ask you, thank you for all of that, but could you keep 9 MR HENDERSON: Good morning, Baroness Brinton. 9 everything a little bit slower? You will see the ladies 10 A. Good morning. 10 in front of you are taking a transcript and it helps if 11 Q. Hopefully, you should have in front of you a file of 11 we slow down. Thank you. 12 papers. We will bring relevant documents up on the 12 You said you were involved in local politics and you 13 screen just to your right as well. Can you tell us your 13 were involved in the Liberal Party before it then became 14 full name? 14 the Liberal Democrats in 1998 to 1992? 15 A. Sarah Virginia Brinton (Baroness Brinton). 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Baroness Brinton, can you give us just a little bit of 16 Q. Just tell us a little bit about the roles that you 17 personal background: tell us briefly what you did before 17 played in the party? 18 you got involved in politics? 18 A. At that stage, very, very little, because of my job. 19 A. I trained as a stage manager and I worked at the BBC for 19 I mean, I was travelling all over the country, I was 20 some eight years and then went on to be a mature student 20 working in the studio long hours. So I would go to 21 at Cambridge, moved into business and then I was bursar 21 executive meetings of my local party. I had no contact 22 of two Cambridge colleges for over a decade and then 22 at all either with the London party, which was what we 23 continued in education thereafter. I joined the 23 would now call the region, and certainly not with HQ. 24 Liberals in 1974, after the elections. Because of my 24 But my first husband was more active. He was approved 25 job at the BBC, which was in production, I couldn't be 25 as a candidate, and he certainly stood, as I say, for Page 1 Page 2 1 the GLC elections. 1 discipline or safeguarding, child protection policies, 2 Q. So it was London that was your main focus at that point? 2 any of that kind of thing? 3 A. London was my base, yes. 3 A. I have no formal role, as the leader doesn't either, in 4 Q. You are currently president of the Liberal Democrats. 4 discipline, and that's never been the case. Currently, 5 When did you start that role? 5 we are in the middle of changing our processes. Over 6 A. I started that in January 2015, the campaign was for 6 the last five to six years, we have recognised that 7 2014. By that stage, I had ceased to be a councillor, 7 having discipline processes either run by local parties 8 which I'm happy to go back over, if that is helpful. 8 or at state levels where elected members, elected onto 9 But in my role as president, I chair the party's federal 9 committees, may have some role in discipline has not 10 board and I am voted for by all the members, so it's 10 been good, and as a result of that, we have now -- 11 like the leadership of our party. It's a full campaign 11 through the membership, agreeing it at conference -- 12 and I represent them. I'm now in my second and final 12 moved to a new system of an independent parallel 13 term of office, due to end at the end of this calendar 13 structure headed up by members of the party who are 14 year. 14 lawyers but who are not allowed to be elected in any 15 Q. What are your responsibilities as president? 15 other role in the party. That's just about to start 16 A. Well, apart from the practical ones of chairing the 16 happening. 17 board, I would describe myself as holding the ring on 17 Q. Thank you. We will come back to that at the end of your 18 everything to do with the federal party. The party, the 18 evidence, if I may. 19 Liberal Democrats as well as the Liberals, are very 19 But can I firstly, and for the bulk of your evidence 20 devolved and the members and the local parties would 20 we are going to look at some things that happened in the 21 certainly regard as giving the power upwards both to the 21 past? 22 state parties and the state parties -- England, Scotland 22 A. Yes. 23 and Wales -- are the federation, and the president must 23 Q. You have kindly provided two witness statements to this 24 come from one of those three state parties. 24 inquiry, and I would like to bring up the first of them 25 Q. Do you have responsibilities for matters such as 25 now, please -- there's LDP000018. Chair, I would invite Page 3 Page 4 1 (Pages 1 to 4) Epiq Europe Ltd www.epiqglobal.com Lower Ground, 20 Furnival Street (+44)207 4041400 [email protected] London EC4A 1JS IICSA Inquiry-Westminster 13 March 2019 1 you to adduce this statement in its entirety. 1 I also asked Lord Newby to assist, because he had 2 Baroness Brinton, in this statement, you have dealt 2 been general secretary of the SDP prior to the merger, 3 with a number of subjects that the inquiry has asked for 3 and very involved in the party from the merger days, '88 4 a senior member of the Liberal Democrats to address. 4 on, and had been in the House of Lords for most of that 5 I am going to take you through them in stages. 5 time as well, and indeed had been Chief Whip in the 6 Firstly, if we look at the start of the statement, 6 House of Lords. 7 paragraph 1.6 on page 2, you have explained that you 7 Q. Thank you. Am I right to understand, then, that the 8 didn't compile this statement alone? 8 statement you have provided is a joint effort drawing on 9 A. No. 9 not just the corporate record, but also the memory of 10 Q. You had a small working party to do. Can you just 10 those individuals you have named? 11 explain for us how you went about producing the 11 A. Yes. 12 statement? 12 Q. I understand as well that you actually spoke to a number 13 A. For something serious like this, the obvious people to 13 of other people? 14 speak to would be, first of all, those who are senior 14 A. Yes. 15 officers of the party, so the chief executive would be 15 Q. If we turn to LDP000010 at tab 4, on the second page 16 the person I would want to automatically include, 16 there, we have a list of other people that you spoke 17 because he obviously has access to records of anything 17 with. If we look down the list, we will see the thing 18 that happened via the staff at HQ. But I would also 18 in common seems to be a lot of them were around at the 19 turn to our senior people in parliament, those who have 19 relevant time; is that right? 20 been, or currently are, Chief Whips or leaders in either 20 A. That's right, yes. 21 the House of Commons or the House of Lords. 21 Q. When I say "the relevant time", I mean, in particular, 22 So Sir Nick Harvey, as our current chief executive, 22 the 1970s and '80s? 23 was also an MP for some years, and certainly -- although 23 A. Correct. Because, sadly, obviously, a lot of the key 24 I don't think that he overlapped with Cyril Smith, he 24 people are no longer with us. 25 certainly was around with a lot of the MPs who did. 25 Q. If we can go back to your main statement, please, and if Page 5 Page 6 1 we can go on to paragraph 3, which is on page 3, I would 1 that and bringing it up to date in the 20th century. 2 like to ask you, Baroness Brinton, firstly about the 2 Q. You describe here, just at the end of that paragraph: 3 historic structure and the procedures of the Liberal 3 "In the mid 1960s, the party commissioned 4 Party. There are three broad periods I would like to 4 a constitutional review to bring the constitution up to 5 ask you about.
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