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.Va. r6-Frid.zv. April 7. 1917'C!izir1-.z 17, 18:-l9 (Saku) Or1l :\mwcr,:; w Questions -- *Starred Que<.tions Nos. 319, 320, 322, 323, 333, 336 and 32-1 3379-3i1 Short Notice Question No. 8 34 12--�(J Written Answers to Questions- Starrcd Que<;tinm Nos. 32r, 325 to 332, 335. 337 to 348 3.p9-4.i Unstarred Questions Nl1,. 750 to 759, 761 tn 840 and 842 tn 871 3444--35; Calling Attcntinn to .\fatter of Urgent Puhlic Importance - . Bulk supply of electricity tl1 BirLi's cement facton· at Chittorgarh 3527-34 Re. Questi0n of Privilege 3534-43 Papers Laid on the Table 3543--56 Messages frnm Rajya Sabha 3557---58 Committee on Puhlic Undertakings- (i) Fortieth Report ; and 3558 (ii) .\1.inutcs Personal Explanation hy .\\ember 3559-61 Shri Shashibhushan Bajpai 3559 ·· (q Mineral Products (Additional Duties of Fxcisc :rnd Custum.�) Amendment Bill Motion to ConsiJer 3561-83 Shri D. C. Sharma 356r-67 Shri Shri Chand Goel 3567-70 Shri Chintamani Panigrahi 3571-72 Shri George Fernandes 3572--75 Shri K. C. Pant 3575----82 Clause 2, 3 and r. 3582 Motion to Pass 3583 Constitution (Tv.;enty-First Amendment) Bill 3583--361 Motion to consider, as passed hy Rajya Sabha 3583-361 Shri Y. B. Chavan 3583-84 Shri A. 13. Vajpayee 3584-86 Dr. Govind Das 3586-87 Shri N. Dandekcr 3588 Shri C. K. Bhatta..:haryya 3588-90 35 0 ' - Shri G. Viswanathan 9 •The sign-I-marked above the name uf �1 "\:\ember indicates that the questio was actually asked on the floor of the Huuse hy that Member. (ii) COLlJMNS Shri A. V. Patil 3590-92 Shri George Fernandes 3592-95 Shri M. Y. Saleem 3595-98 Shri T. M. Sheth 3599-3600 Shri K; Lakkappa 3600-01 Shri Kushok Bakula 3602-03 Shri M. Meghachandra 2603-04 Clauses 2 and I 3604-12 Motion to Pass 36r2

Bills Introduced -

(I) The Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 1967 (Amendment of article 368) hy Shri Nath Pai 3617 (2) The Constitution(Amendmcnt) Bill, 1967, (Amendment of article 155) by Shri Nath Pai' 3617 (3) The Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 1967 (Amcndrncnr of the Eighth Schedule) by H. H. Maharaja Dr. Kami Singh of Bikaner (4) The Personal Liberties (Restoration) Bill, 1967 by Shri Yashpal Singh (5) The Constitution (Am:ndment) Bill, 1967 (Amendment of article 368) by Shrt Yashpal Singh . . (6) The Parliament (Prevention of Disqualification) Amendment Bill, 1967 (Ammdment of section 3) bY Shri Yashpal Singh (7) The Indian Telegraph (Amendment) Bill, 1967. (Amendment of Section) 5 by Shri Yashpal Singh (8) The C0de of Civil Procedure (Amendment) Bill, 1967 ( Omission of section 80) hy Shri Nath Pai. 3620 (9) The Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 1967 (Amendment of articles IOS and 194) by Shri Nath Pai (ro) The Constitution (Amendment) Bill, 1967 (Insertion of new article 339A) by Shri S. M. Siddayya . Constitution (Amendment) Bill- (Amendment of Articles I 5 and I 6) by Shri Era Sezhiyan 3621-69 Motion to Consider 3621-69 Shri Sezhiyan 3622--35 Shri Manoharan 3636-41 Shri D. N. Tiwary 3641-46 Shri Bedabrata Barua 3647-49 Dr. M. Santosham 3649-5( (iii)

CoLL'MNS Shri V. N. Jadhao 36�t-52 Shri Kameshwar Singh 3652-53 Shri S. Kandappan 3652 -56 Shri C. K. Bhattacharyya 3656-58 Shri Sarjoo Pandey 3660-61 Shri Kamble 3662 Shri Ram Sewak Yadav 3062 -6.,i Shri R. D. Bhandarc 3664-6,; Shri Jagannath Ran Joshi 3667-6:-:; Half-an-Hour Discussion R,:. Cochin ShipyJrd .3669--06 Shri C. J anardhanan 3669-7:; Shri Vasudevan Nair 3675 Shri E. K. Nayanar 3676-77 Shri D. C. Sharma 3677--78 Dr. V.K.RV. R:io .1678-86 LOK SABHA DEBATES

3379 338o LOK SABHA want to go in for the manufacture of sets in our country. Friday, April 7, 19&t/Chaitra 17, 1880 (Saka) Shri S. Supakar: The Central Elec­ tronic Engineering Research Institute The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the at Pilani and the National Physical Clack. Laboratory of New Delhi have offered to the commercial firms the manu­ [Mr. Speaker in the Chair] facturing process of TV sets? Are there no firms which can take it? Has ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS commercial firm undertaken to manu- manufacturc TV sets? At what stage Manufacture of T. V. Sets is it?

’ 319. Shri S. Supakar: Shri Bhanu Frakash Singh: There Shri S. C. Samanta: are two companies: Messrs. J. R. Royal Limited, and Telerad (Pri­ Will the Minister of industrial Deve­ vate) Limited, Bombay. Letters of lopment and Company Affairs be intent had been given to them and pleased to state: their applications are nt present undMT consi3eration. (a) whether the television sets are now being manufactured on eommer- «ft wo wo flfirer: *i3rt 3fr h jpt- i.-ial scale in and are being sold STHJT fa ftrf00 I Shri S. Supakar: What is the total quantity of foreign exchange involved * f t *0 me finrft : t f t f t annually for the import of television sets into this country? 3ft *r u? n$r arcranrr f r % fR ff ir TOT fr W *t*4i«. The Minister of Industrial Develop­ fr I ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A. Ahmed): We have not been importing «fr fa g w r irow : *r*ft amrmr these sets; only 5000 sets have come to us from Hungary, Yugoslavia, Ireland Tnrr *pt and Japan for sale to the public. It I 1 fr itM faw is our intention to manufacture these Ires' *nTft t t fr i $ 'rnpn sets in the country. The foreign ex­ change Involved Is very small but we j ft? PrWf % aft tsftflnw tfrfr 15ff (Ai) LSD— 1 . 33&I Oral A nsw ers A P R IL 7, 1987 Oral Answers

*r f &r *5t Pwpft ^5t*nr $ %ftx Shri Whang Pntauh Singh: Prom UAR none were imported to my know­ Jr aft CTfhfN^r farrt jffn *ftt ledge. t 3W *?t fiRrsfr fW t I Shri D. C. Sharma: In the topsy­ ** art turvy world first of all we have tele­ # £ v m i t f fr*t I 3 *T Tt ^ft*TfT vision station in Delhi and we also want to give a station to Bombay and M^i»»*i 600 |r *ftr t^r «tt sfr other cities and then we think of *rr r| f: s r % ir *r*ft *nrrf srr manufacturing television sets. Why is it that the opening of television sta­ ^ fc I tions and the manufacture of televi­ sion sets had not gone on simultane­ • WT ously3fr ^’THPt so that there should be no time- Tt fi'TT TT»t f r ?nrt 'TT V?|t-«M lag between the one and the other? fr«t *rr *Np53til ft WN Tt (la'll about a year or so it will be possible flwr jj fr finfc Tf % fait f^r for us to manufacture 80,000 sets in our country. it ^ ITT 27 «r* 5 ^ 'TT 1 2 qr ^ tr^eror ^t Shri Zulflqnar All Khan: Have the w t a ?t*ft aft f r x * w *5 * Government imported any sets from the UAR and because of the climatic *frsj5 ;r?ft ft, git *nrc fc w n conditions in our country, they did not 1 work. I would like to ask the hon. Minister how many such sets were imported and what happened to them. If they were not working? srtr ?«r B T T ? f , 3333 O ral Answer* CHAITRA 17, 1880 (S A K A ) Oral Amtwmrt 3 3 8 4

#?fr * t a m r % farc »rff t$ J 1 1 -uiwr ^rrfsnr j fr 1*1 i O w m r tt smr q^ t ^toipr* r e g o fo r afrwpRT C9T H*TT T?t t 3T? ??r ari CTWT Tcrr«rri TTTiTO«nrwr»n?T ^ (pt^ tftr ^ Tt 4m «TT I aft * f t vmpr ir fzfr ;rff TT?ft ft ? tot sxvrr Tt ft *?f »n?r ®t$ to r *n- 1 *nr z r tr TT TTTST ^BT TTfr TT ft ? TT *TT8T K^T WIM TT fTOT *WT £ I warn fr «mr fr <«wrer t t wr «ft 7 Se Ho Vjm t : WH^JPT j fr ^fif mfrof % t # flfrrifVT'rf S t o t fr farejsr £ t t ? t ft fr fttrfr ^imifnTPT t o t t fcr w enr urr Tt vtfmr ^ f t f r wr fr '(^fr ?t*t S w i v m wtr ^t ht^t ft ^ *ft W* tt?T *?r *rr?t ft 1 Shri C. M. Poonacha: We have to provide what we call the basic Shri Tenneti Vlswanathaw: Talking facilities at all the railway sta­ •bout the extension of television faci­ tions and then special amenities also lities, the hon. Minister mentioned are to be provided. So far as the some centres; he has not mentioned basic amenities are concerned, almost Hyderabad. Is it deliberate? all the stations in the Northeastern Railway have been fully served. So Shri »■■«« Prakash Singh: The far as the special amenities are con­ other stations which arc under consi­ cerned, we have now been spend, deration are: Bombay, Calcutta, Mad­ ing progressively a much larger ras and Kanpur. To begin with, I percentage in this area to bring the shall pass on the hon. Member’s sug­ standards of amenties available in that gestion to the Ministry of Information sector as comparable as possible wit end Broadcasting to keep Hyderabad other areas. also in mind. •ftfin fftrftw : f a f r flrffoir * mftwf % fiwj ifcwn? iTT ^t ft 1 fnrpr tor ?nr + TOt *r$r fr*n aircii ft ^t*t wtt % *320. *tt fipqrfw fiw :

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Shri A. ST Vajpayee: Is it not a fact Shri S. Kandappan: I can give ins­ that many railway stations ia the tances. There are taps and fans that Northern Railway do not have any are not running, latrines which are waiting hall and if so, does the hon. not cleaned, etc. Small things like minister regard the construction of a that are not attended to. What steps waiting hall a basic amenity or not? do they propose to take to rectify these things? Shri C. M. Poonacha: The basic amenities are enumerated. Waiting Mr. Speaker: That is the duty of rooms come under special amenities. the railway employees. What action 1 have a list of such amenities. If the is taken against them? hon. member, wants any information with regard to any particular station, Shri S. Kandappan: Nobody attends 1 am prepared to furnish it. to these complaints. 4 Shri A. B. Vajpayee: I am a mem­ Shri C. M. Poonacha: This refers to ber of the Railway Users’ Consultative the maintenance of cleanliness in run­ Committee attached to this railway. ning trains. We have made enough I know in many railway stations there arrangements for that and they a is no place for the passengers to sit constantly being supervised by a set or -wait during the summer. of officers. The best under the cir­ cumstances could be done. Here, we Shri C. M. Poonacha: If he can kind­ also seek the cooperation of the tra­ ly point out any particular stations, I velling public. will certainly have the matter exa­ mined and see what best could be Shri B. R. Kavade; Is it a fact that done. passenger trains run late because pre­ ference is given to goods trains; it so, Mr. Speaker: He himself has said may I know what steps are t a t * that it is is not a basic amenity. taken to see that passenger trains run in right time? Shri C. M. Poonacha; This does not come under baric amenities, but under Shri C. M. Poonacha: Normally, special amenities which aw made •very passenger train has priority over 3 3 8 9 Oral Answers A PRIL 7, 1967 Oral Answers 3390

goods trains, but for operational rea­ limit within which you will be able sons and other difficulties it may be to provide water in all the third-class that some passenger trains might have compartments in the entire railways? been helped up in some section or other. Shri C. M. Poonacha: This amenity Shri Jyotirmoy Basu: Will the hon. is a basic amenity. I wonder whether the hon. Member is asking about Minister toll us what percentage of drinking water? annual revenue at a particular station is allotted to be spent on passenger Shri M. R. Krishna: Yes. amenities at that station? Shri C. M. Poonacha: This goes ac­ Shri C M. Poonacha: Drinking water cording to a programme of meeting arrangements are made at every sta­ the requirements. Wherever ameni­ tion. ties are not available more amount should be spent. Such of the areas as Shri S. Kundu: Is the hon. Minister do enjoy certain amenities would not aware that the students who take to be getting that priority. That is to travel have to face a 1°* of trouble at say, it is not done percentage-wise but big stations where they have to wait according to needs and requirements. for hours together to catch the next train? There these students and *1*® Shri Jyotirmoy Basu; So it is done third class passengers face a lot arbitrarily. of difficulties for want of good lavatory and bathrooms arrangements Shrt A. V. Patti: Do Government and also cheap canteens. I would like consider announcement in Kannada as to know whether the hon. Minister an amenity to passengers at stations would consider the suggestion that in where the laguagc is not known? all big stations more lavatories, more Shri C. M. Poonacha: This Question bathroom facilities and subsidised can­ refers to North-Eastern Railways. teens for students and the youth of this country have to be provided with­ The hon. Member is referring to some other railway. in a course of about ones year? Shri Dattatraya Kunte: What is the Shri C. M. Poonacha: We would method of gauging the necessity for keep this sugegstion in view and tak­ special •amenities? ing into consideration the resources available we will try to do our best. Shri C. M. Poonacha: As I have sub­ mitted earlier, there is a Committee. They make recommendations and on i f ) MU1WH KTJT : w i 9TVTT the basis of such recommendations JT7W programmes of work are undertaken. Sr at^r *r *rc t o Shri Dattatraya Kunte: Is the Com­ mittee given any guidance with regard $ aw fa srpfr to gauging of the necessity for special amenities? wrcr t t shf vi*TTt$hr ^ tiprr £ PW tT WjfaHT Some hon. Members rose— ftnr qitaftraT t t irtaT Mr. Speaker: Shri M. R. Krishna. aw fv am? jrf* at Shri M. B. Krishna: May I know fTTT TT iff *®nr >p t % whether under ‘special amenities’ *T T#’ $ ? water is a'so one of the itemsT May I also know whether the Railway ghri c. M. FDoauta: I would look Board has decided upon any time into this matter. <■■■ 339 1 Oral Awswer* CHAITRA 17, 1880 (S A K A ) Oral Answers 3 39 *

Indo-V-AJS. a d T im U T lt Trade Shri Dineah Singh: As I said, I ao Agreem«nta not have the figures here. In the joint meetings that were held it was found out that there was considerable scope *»2. Shri D. C. Sharma: of further enhancing the trade bet­ Shri C. C. Desai: ween these countries and some work­ Shri R. Barua: ing groups were appointed. They have ,gone into the details of it and we are Will the Minister of Commerce be now looking at these recommenda­ pleased to state: tions. One group has already met and the other groups will be meeting (a) whether any trade agreements shortly. have been signed as a result of the deliberations held between the repre­ Shri D. C. Sharma: After I have sentatives of Yugoslavia, United Arab asked the second question the Minis­ Republic and India in Delhi in Decem­ ter has come out with some informa­ ber, 1966; and tion. (b) if so, the main features of the Shri Dinesh Singh: It is wrong on agreements? the part of the hon. Member to make such insinuations. The Minister of Commerce (Shri Dineah Singh): (a) and (b). No trade Shri D. C. Sharma: Where is the agreements were signed as a result uX insinuation in asking for information? the deliberations between the repre­ He takes it as an insinuation because sentatives of Yugoslavia, U.S.S.R. and perhaps he always thinks of insinua­ India held in De'hi in December 1660. tion. The conclusions reached in tne Minis­ terial Conference of the three coun­ Shri R. Barua: In order to imple­ tries are embodied in the Joint Com­ ment the conclusions of the confer­ munique issued at the end of the ence some ad hoc committees were Conference. A copy of the Joint Com­ appointed. May I know how these munique is placed on the Table of the ad hoc committees were constituted House. [Placed in Library. See No. whether a coordinating committee has LT-308/67]. also been constituted in order to bring about coordination in the implemen­ Shri D. C. Sharma: May I know in tation of the recommendations? what way our export trade with Yugo­ slavia and United Arab Republic has Shri Dineah Singh: The three com­ been expanded during the la ■; year mittees had official representative* ol and how our imports from these three governments. The coordinating countries compare with our export committee is a!so similarly constitut­ trade? ed. Shri Dinesh Singh: 1 am sorry I do Shri Tenneti VtshwanathMw: Sir, I not have specific figures because the am asking lor some information main question related to the Confer­ from you. I am not asking a que»- ence. If the hon. Member so desires tlon. The Minister in his reply haa I will get that information. stated that a paper is on the Table of the House. I did not get a Shri D. C. Sharma: I hope the Min­ copy of that paper. When I enquired ister can answer at least this question, in the office I was told that the because he is a very intelligible per­ papers laid on the Table will be made son. May I know if our export trade available only at 12.30. How could with Yugoslavia and the United Arab > any supplementary he asked by the Republic shows an upward trend and new members to these questions if our import trade ir 8 » these countries those papers are not supp’led to them shows a downward trend? earlier? 3 3 9 3 Oral Answers A PRIL 7, 1967 O ral An* toer* 3394

Mr. Speaker: I do not know ii the will our exports increase and in what other Members have got it. I wiu commodity? Is textiles included in find out. I think normally they send them? **• S _ .-i Shri Dineah Singh: By how much it Shri Tenneti Viswanatham: 1 went will increase, we cannot say at u»a to the office. I drew the attention of stage. That will have to be examined. office to the fact that there is a question and I wanted to ask supple- Shri S. K indappu: From the com­ mentaries after seeing the papers. So, munique I find that they have agreed I wanted a copy of the paper to be to establish preferential tariff within laid on the Table. Office informed the framework of international com­ me that papers to be laid on the Table mercial policy. It is four montfiS of the House will be made available since that communique was issued. I only after 12.30. That is the answer would like to know whether the which I have got. Minister is in a position to enlighten us as to whether any progress in re­ Mr. Speaker: I will look into it. gard to this particular item has been made in their talks with the res­ Dr. Ranen Sen: Some time back it pective officials. was reported in the newspapers of India that as a result of trade agree­ Shri Dinesh Singh: The sub-com­ ments with Yugoslavia and other mittee, which will deal with it, is, I countries India is going to set up a think, meeting some time later this factory to construct wagons on the month. soil of Yugoslavia so that India can export from that country wagons to sft Vt*lf : «r si? other countries of Europe at com­ f. far ers CHAITRA 17, 1889 (S A K A ) Oral Answers 3396

Shri Pattiam G * fd w : machine activity and by importing, to Shri Jyetirmejr Bam: the extent possible, addition'll, quanti­ Shri XL M. Abraham: ties of foreign cotton. Shri Vlahwanaiha Menon: Slut K. Anlrndhan: Requisitioning of Cotton Stocks by Shrimati Suseela Oopalan: Textile Commissioner Will the Minister of Commerce be *336. Shri Indulal Tajnifc: Will the pleased to state: Minister of Commerce be pleased to state: (a) whether cotton position in the country has improved; (a) whether the cotton stocks (b) if so, how it compares with tha* requisitioned by the Textile Commis­ of 1985; and sioner are likely to prove totally in­ (c) whether instructions have been adequate to run the textile mills dur­ issued to all textile mills not to close ing the ensuing months; on Saturday!!? (b) whether the present owners of the cotton stocks are unwilling to sell The Minister of Commerce (Shri them to the mills at the celling prices Dineah Singh): (a) No, Sir. Becaose fixed by Government at present; and of the installation of additional spin­ ning capacity, the gap between de­ (c) whether Government arc con­ mand and supp'y has increased. sidering the upward revision of the cotton prices in view of the failure of (b) The general expectation is that the last monsoon with a view to giv­ the crop this year will not be better ing relief to the farmers and to avoid than the crop in 1965-66. the closure of many mills? (c) The answer is in the negative. The Minister of Commerce (Shri Dinesh Singh): (a) It was not the in­ Oottan Requirement during 1967-fiR tention that the Textile Commissioner •333. Shri s. S. Kothari: W»U the should requisition the entire cotton Minister of Commerce be pleased to crop for supply to all the textile mills state: during the ensuing months. However, the Textile Commissioner did requisi­ (a) whether it is a fact that ade­ tion some stocks of cotton at the speci-. quate quantity of cotton would not be fic request of mills who were faced available for meeting the needs of tho with serious difficulty in procuring sup­ cotton mill industry during 1967-68; plies of cotton at appropriate ceiling prices. He is continuing to do so.

•rate shortage of cotton in the coun­ Shri V. V. Mcdm: In view 01 the try and, if 30, the reasons for the fact that the workers are being com­ same. pelled to forgo half their wages one day in a week, without any fault of Shri Dlnesh Singh: We have ex­ their own, may I know whether the ported some cotton and we have also Government will consider the payment imported some cotton. There are of full day’s wages to the workers various varieties of cotton and some when they are laid off? vareity we find easy to export and import some other variety in its place Shri Dinesh Singh: When the Bill which is more useful for our purposes here. is considered, the hon. Member will have an opportunity to discuss this Shri P. Gopalam: May I know whe- matter. thar the attention of the Government is drawn to the overstock of cotton 111 Shri Umanath: The question is certain mills and, if so. what measures there; he can reply straightaway. Bill have the Government taken to recovor is a different thing. them from distribution? Shrimati Suseela Gopalan: The Shri Dlnesh Singh' The over­ cotton crisis is becoming almost per­ stocking of cotton with cotton mills petual in this country and Govern­ is illegal. If I have some information ment have failed to rationalise the from the hon. Member, we shall cer­ supply of cotton despite repeated tainly requisition them and punish the warnings. May I know whether Gov­ people concerned. ernment wiM introduce full State trading of cotton to ensure adequate Shtt Jyottamoy Basil: What is supply of cotton to all the textile the cotton stock position and how does mills? it compare with that of the previous three years? Have we got any pro­ Shri Dinesh Singh: As far as the posal to import cotton from abroad? question of cotton is concerned, as I have mentioned, the main difficulty is Shri Dinesh Singh: I shall be that we are short of cotton; because very glad to send a copy of the esti­ of drought and other conditions, the mate of cotton for this year to the hon. expected crop has failed and we are Member. We have already imported really short of cotton. So far as dis­ 3 lakh bales of cotton and before June tribution is concerned, I have already we propose to import another 5 lakh mentioned the measures that Govern­ bales of cotton. ment have in view and are imple­ menting—requisitioning and supplying Shri Jyotirmoy B u s: From which at a ceiling. country? Shri S. S. Kothari: Could we link Mr. Speaker: Mr. Abraham: up the foreign exchange earned by mills with the exchange made avail­ Shri K. M. Abraham: Since forward able to them to import cotton, so that trading of cotton has enable^ a large they could be encouraged'to earn their number of speculators to corner huge own exchange? Could we consider stocks of cotton and create an artifi­ some such incentive scheme? cial scarcity, will the Government take steps to ban forward trading of cotton Shri Dinesh Singh: We had a simi­ as a measure to overcome the recent lar incentive scheme and I do not crisis? think that we did very well. If the industry is willing to export and really Shri Dinesh Singb: I have already earn foreign exchange, I am wfl’ing answered that to consider this. 3401 Oral Answers A PRIL 7, 196? Oral Anrwers 3402

Shri N. Dandeker: It it not a tact that the textile industry and tbe wor­ kers and the cotton trade and cotton | i | I t t X i f t w w n c growers have all been caught in a arN vrntft i vicious circle of Government’s making by control prices which have no rela­ TWfiTH : gwfrr ^ tionship one to the other? Textile ^ h t f r * r r ’r t ^ t % Eftor control prices and cotton control prices—these two—do not tally with 5TTW ^ Jf trnr 5PIT t t ^rraft the result that we have got into a tt <^*r ftpn1 % v*n«i state of utter confusion? Secondly, therefore, when are Government going % wt5tt g i wr *rrr *r tot Tpfar^t to rethink the whole of their policy of arr t , tot ^HTt arnr Trr^ft controls in relation to textile cotton Wtr fevTPF TOT TT^n^ |[ ? arvl things of that kind? Shri Dinesh Singh: No, Sir. 1 am fiWW WTT SPTPT sorry I cannot agree with the views ^r, Trnrt' i of the hon. Member. Fixing of price of cloth to be supplied to an average citizen was necessary because Shri S. R. Damani: May I know whe­ the prices were rising very high, and ther a large quantity of cotton is being as it is, we have a sector of decon­ held up at the producing centres, and trolled cloth where the prices are fairly if so, the quantity distributed and the high. It is necessary for us to main­ action that will be taken to release it tain this control, so that, ail average to the industry? man can buy cloth at reasonable price. Shri Dinesh Singh: I shall be very If we control the price of cotton, we have to control the price of cloth and glad if the hon. Member would give ur-e versa. On the other hand, I would me specific information on the subject. say that these controls have worked Shri S. Kundu: On a point of order. very well. We seek the inervention of the Shri K. N. Pandey: Is it a fact that Speaker to elicit a correct and precise the cotton requisitioned is not of a answer to our questions. A question good quality and, therefor**, there is a put by my hon. friend here was whe­ reluctance on the part of the emplo­ ther in view °f the crisis in cotton yers to purchase cotton from the re­ trade that is faced by the texti’e mills, quisitioned stock? the hon. Minister is going to rationlise the cotton trade and is going to intro­ Shri Dinesh Singh: What we re­ duce State trading in cotton. No speci­ quisition is whatever is available here. fic answer had been given to this ques­ We do not requisition good or bad, like tion and the question was evaded. I that. Whatever is available, we re­ seek your protection and help to get quisition. a precise answer to this. * g w •Wii’i; «nam sft WRJW «T ; TOT *tflT PT$» t t * t <1^ fwwm T^f tt

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j* >*! - U* L>*+: Jt* K Mr. Speaker: Shri P. G. Sen u ilft. ^ jjj) J"£ *j i_-a- Jti u5^*J|jf'{ ^ W Mr. Speaker: Shri N. Dandekar was from the hon. Member’s side. Shri . j V f* J -** u5f uJ5J> ** •* S. S. Kothari was also from his side, and so was Shri Hukam Chand jjl Jt J>i* ^ «■*** is * Kachhavaiya. I resent this kind of re­ mark . These three Members were all ijA rt '2»>r6'“ '^i!l ,_s^ .*'>> ^ from the hon. Member’s side. If any - u/V W *»**> hon. Member wants to put a question let him stand. I shall not be able to ca’l everyone of the Members who : WMTST < 1 ^ 5 , fatSH stand up: I shall be able to call only ?h h ^rrar nw*fl4 fr^rr *tt, two or three of them. I do see every Member who stands up but I canned jpT aft tpTZH «tlj{< % tPTT^ %, ssm+I call everybody who has been standing. 5Tt *T? liw ftr *§^ $ 1 ^ pass such remarks. 5HF 3T5FT %■ 5HR % f ^ t

w di«i+ ir, *r t * ? Prcft ft*I Shri P. G. Sen: May I know whe­ ther the import of cotton from the ^^*rr?tiT^T%*3Tiraprc . UAR and the Sudan are under contem- p'ation in exchange for other commo­ dities that those countries require from 4t«VJ«<*pft T t : aft f*T# *5=5 India? j t g *At aft ira^r qtiTH Jr, ^vppt Shri Dinesh Sinffh: Yes, we are pro­ wprt ^ wst f, t fsrrtf sr^r vfatf *f * posing to import 1,70,000 bales from the UAR ana 1 lakh bales from the t 1 Sudan under the present arrangement. W e are also exploring the possibility & ~ ^ _c>* of importing even more cotton from these countries. d-*4 tl »f L>** <-sV *** 3405 Oral Answ ers APRIL 7, 1967 Oral A nsw ers

■fttmnrarcwKift : vpw nstor, Import Of Sulphur through 8 .T.C. ftrfrr ir ?r {f *>ten fatf f — *384. Shri Madha LUnaye: Will the ■»v»T!it n r fx 'TmTfl^rcta, Minister at Commerce be pleued to «?T"TT * $ Aptf tft «TTf d Tf?r 11 state: ^T^TTt-sifta ^ ftrsr ?rr 9 ^ t t , 65 (a) whether Government's attention # $— it ?mr ?r ^ » t i has been drawn to the criticism of the contract entered into by the State *tt* p n.TTijpff qrr * f *r*Tit ’F7’* Trading Corporation with an American a'snrra tfr Ttfwvr ^rhfr fnfa Arm without any status and standing in the credit and banking circles in ^3TTTt t 4»iM f*M Vl Ph w U.S.A. for the supply of over 3 lakh ®r*wtfrrr ft ? tons of sulphur; and (b) if so, the nature of the criticism and the action taken against the U.S. •ft ft'tST faf? : 3ft "tii'oH ?F? firm and officials of the State Trading fir £ 7rff ^ rs ift srsffrsr spr­ Corporation? ier §: ii*fr fr*rf?r ^ ff i f ® v i % i*- The Minister of Commerce (Shri Dlnesh Singh): (a) Yes, Sir. w m rxm t«fr if® «^t*rrgsrlr at the party was not in a position it sr*? tfra grrat f*wi *rt ktt^t st*t to fulfil the contract. A negotiated t % %*ft ? .... (wwsnsr) settlement has been reached by STC with the fiirm by which the firm has agreed to pay Rs. 75,000 which would Mr. Speaker: Order, Order. I have adequately cover the expenditure in­ called Shri Manubhai Patel. curred by STC on account of this deal. No further action is, therefore, consi­ dered necessary Shri Manubhai Patel: Due to price *ft fw rt : fllTO •HifKJJ Mtffft control and movement ban, so many cotton ba’es which are already sold arc *rft ftroraw jr fa *rnrt not lifted by the mills. Out of 7 lakh «ft ar? *rirt i 3ft cotton bales sold in Gujarat, only %«pt m spttt jf«rr «?r s t o t w t 2,35,000 bales are allowed to be lifted. Will Government allow these 5 lakh f at *?t wt^t *^r *t 1 3*r bales which are already sold to be lif­ 'TT fiT^r W5T ir «PTBt *?«T tft fc ted the earliest possible time before Wtr JTTn «n*TTT *Rft n' 5r^ 37TT the monsoon? fr ^ Pppt % «m>T

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Mr. Speaker: What is the question? Mr. Speaker: I know a full and satisfactory answer might not have been given. «ft «r«[ fiwfr ; fr w ^ T?r i fimft : TOT ?t 5T^f ^H»r* 3fT fr «tt I t spit fnrt srrtt arpTTT^t «n*Ht fr fnrrm- -4T1 =*ft*fr sft etrr «ft ?ft wtS' ®tS i t ^ t t irw iriiTit 1 ^ ix ?. *ft f r *tt r^ ^ K W i fr «ftir^mrf wnrW^TTt vgimarrfPT TTTC fr^ *1$ I tpTf 'Tfaft Tt fff'?>T fiprr «rr f r aft t t t t 8 ; ycr ^ i t iftr 40 stttt srf?r htt firsrarr m #f%*r fpmr ?ft v t t ^ r Y T t ^ m p r 5 5 *H <. ft o ?fto «fto TT T7TT ferr srpmr 1 ww ^rra- o tt : fT ? rr 1 *tk ’^nrr, tpt «ff 3^rr “A negotiated settlement has f^Tf^r jfsfrw iff m m £ 1 « f t * p p n t been reached by the STC with the WTff n g*T 7Ttrft Tt nnraMH ft^i «TT. . Arm by which the firm has agreed to pay Rs. 75,000 which would ade­ quately cover the expenditure in­ Mr. Speaker: This is question hour. curred by the STC on account of this deal.” «ft «nj fw ifr: f sRTTT# srnrrft jft Shri C. K. Bhattaeharyya: Is this a ^ sr^f | tftr to t srrr srrr gr*m half-hour discussion? VT «(icA Tt «SHTI t *TfTlT!iI •ft *PJ f(W i : vrz wrtr IffT VPT Tt, ?t *ftT rft^T, rft=T »W ft ^ft^ft *rrr Tt arrat Tt artfrrr qt^TT 1 ^r^RTT ff I ^fTfTTTfTPIf aTHTTfffTt *rrr^ttTtr fr r ^ f ? vBrer*rgtsv «ft ft «rrat § ifrf?rfr jj? strr fearoft £ rarn»RT fr fr jtw 'f® t jt ^ 1 ww frft 3T>TT fr fR^T TT V^TT fPPT *T^t §RTT I wqw fr sTjSY m m ft fr fr ^rrftr^t

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5 * t ****?& snrffaT «r% 3?rr qrtsf w nmnPT fi^rr *tt, %«ii>fiO *»rf if grf fr ? w* w r fri Tf*r€r fr *rtt w nr if 'iff f^TT • $t tt % aran 3TW I UTT WT*»T TT xfTT fiw«r w r ^ ?fHf $iHfl ir % sznrr tptst » r T T r ^ w % srw ff r r «P»ft *T^ftt<£Tt JfTT% if rTnT I *ptt* if 1 1 Mr. Speaker; This is impossible. At this rate we cannot get along with the *w ?ft ’d'^'w 4nf«i : 5TC5T WTT jTJTR 5fa fa^H if ^ qrt^Vfa af^TTST «TT 3?TV WT5TT ^ T T ^ > r r a I %ir»TTt smTfasmrrrrcr*'* f*TT srnrr i sfr a'wfrti jwt, Mr. speaker: No question niyam. ^i^rrar % fpnsr ir jwsr We have been following some prin­ ciples and methods for supplemen- 31<^ >3WT TT17 t^viif^oii % fiWT 5TT taries. ft art *gr 1 (v m n r ) HST fn*m : 3RTT* WTO u lii ^rrfiOT i Wt »ij[ fiw a : an?, tu ifa fT ? m t p n f a n trap- fjf jprr ? «ft fiphr fti?: fTF

v t *pj ftra^: *bt s r m ^rfr «ft *nj fiwfc : ?rrr >pt ^ fa m r 1 %«*f^if spOT 1 ^ r i t m smrrr 1 flmfqzt f .1 *hviC 9ttk % w m rnn ftUT *TT fa TT mrr ^nr i "btr^rY *rWt«fr ar? *r%< % ?iff m « ^ 1 ^ t^ tt^ i ?>t ;«n?% ^ fa «k*k ^ «fr «r^ ifn A f: fcfa* H v v **rr ? % »tnwr «n*r i «frrr •n^Jifasr «tt fa *^ < n f wra ?r fln'rfW\ *m$TT d'*vfi ir w p t . . . . 3 4 « Oral Anw>ers CHAITRA 17, 188 * (SAKA) Oral Answers 3412

Shri N. Dwflriwr: The Minister is SHORT NOTICE QUESTION snaking insinuations. "Will I also be Release of Emergency C tm w iaism i permitted to make insinuations? I Office rs -would like to know. Otherwise kindly request the Minister not to make insi­ nuations. SJi.Q. 8. Shn Balraj Madhok: Shri K. p. Singh Dm : Shri Dtnesh Singh: He can give an Shri Gadlllngawa Gowd: answer on behalf at himself and on Shri Madhu Umaye: behalf of others, 7 have no objection. Dr. Ram Manohar Lohla: 1 am stating facts. Shri George Fernandes: Shri Ranjeet Singh: Mr. Speaker: Insinuations should be avoided on both sides. Will the Minister of Defence be pleased to state: Shri D b i t a h Singh: I am giving the (a) whether officers who were given facts, that because of that it was our Emergency Commission in 1962-63 have desire that the State Trading Corpo­ been served with quit notices; ration should import sulphur. This ■wag the only firm that had supplied (b) if so, the details thereof; and they were satisfied; they had a deal with another company Which own­ (c) whether any representation ha* ed sulphur mines and which, said they been received from the persons con­ ■would be able to supply sulphur; they cerned against this action of Govern­ could not unfortunately supply; there ment; and were various complications. I will be (d) whether any alternative employ­ very g’ ad to sit down with the hon. ment is being promised by his Minis­ 'Member and explain to him the facts try to those officers who are being ret­ as I know, and if he gives facts other­ renched? wise I will have them examined. But T m»v say that while this deal was Hie Minister of Defence (.Shri not gone through, the STC has been Swaran Singh): (a) to (d). A state­ able to import sulphur from other ment giving the required information sources and thpv are in the process Of is laid on the Table of the House, getting them over. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-309/ 67], Mr. Sneaker: The Question-hour is over. Short Notice Questions, Shri Shri Bal Raj Madhok: In view of Madhok. the

In the statement which I have faid on S h ri Swaraa Slngh^They did cocno- the Table. lete; ohly a certain' relaxation w a» made and degrees w&re conferred OB’ them a few months earlier than in the- Shri Bal Raj Madhok: He has not normal course; so, they are as good itm given a complete answer, r said there any other officers. ' was a move to cut down the strength of the army aiid President Ayub has announced that he is n> it going to cut Shri Bal Raj Madhok: What about their liability for service? down the artny, and in view of the great danger to the country’s secu­ rity, I want to know whether Govern­ Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Start ment is prepared to reconsider their Singh Deo. decision to cut down the number of officers. Shri K. P. Singh Deo: In view of the fact tihat the emergency arose in 1982; and thousands of young men from all Shri Swaran Singh: This decision is walks of life responded to the call a t in relation to the emergency com­ service and did th-ir utmost sacrifice missioned officers; it did not have any for the integrity of the country, and relation to the propos'd about which now that the emergency has not been the hon. Memfber is making a refer- lifted and when our borders are still ‘ ence. This decision has got nothing under the threat of Chinese and to do with any possible agreement Pakistani attack, is it advisable for between the .two countries to reduce the Government to release these emer. their armed forces or to cut down the gency commissioned officers? strength of the armj . Shri swaran Singh: As I have said. Shri Bal Raj Madhok; In view of I am one with the hon. Member when the fact that many of the officers who he said that these young persons who took up the emergency commission came forward for the defence of their were studying at that time in the motherland deserve our approbation engineering and medical colleges and and we pay our homage to them, but they had to cut down their studies 10 we should also not forget that they join the army and show their sense were recruited on an emergency of patriotic duty to this country, and basis, and in accordance with the at that time, in the army, there was no terms of recruitment all these mea­ provision for reserve liability after sures are taken. release, and now that reserve liability has been imposed on them, may I know what steps Government is going Shri K. P. Singh Deo: May I seek clarification? The Minister has said to take to rehabilitate them and to re­ in his reply that this was an emer­ move those difficulties in the way of gency commission. But the emergency employment and rehabilitation? has not been lifted as yet.

Shri .Swaran Singh: The hon. Mem- Shri $w a r an singh: I do not sup- ber has in this question referred to pose that the hon. member is urging engineering graduates and. medical this a ground for not lifting the- graduates. I do not anticipate any emergency. x thought there was m difficulty either in retaming them or unanlln0u9 demand on the part of the even in finding alternative jobs to the opposition to lift the emergency, tt engineering and medical graduates. nag been already announced that our intention is to lift it very soon. Shri Bal Raj Madhok: Many of them have not completed ijheir education; Shri GadHtagna Gowd: In view r f they left their covines in between. the valuable nervioe rendered by thee* 34 *5 Oral Answer# CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Oral Answers 3 4 1 6 people when the country's independ- Mr. Speaker: I have called Dr. «nc# was in denser, may I know whe­ Lohla. ther the Government will consider the question of age exemption for these *WT*r «TC *t officer^ or IAS and IPS examinations? srramr ifr arrtr? Shri Swann Singh: Yes, Sir; it has yrerr^l 1 *sf 5rr*f been explained that those of them who arrcrr g 1 could compete for these services at the time when they joined the emerg­ ( t*t« wr* «ft w* fere* ency commission are still entitled, notwithstanding the fact that they are «w ) now over-aged on account of their service in the emergency commission. Shri Kanwarlal Gupta; The minister has not answered the question; he «ft fnqt*: *TT has evaded it. You should ask him % WTWT5PT fefT *IT fa 3R to give clear answers. yfirew srrer qqart il?n % Mr. Speaker: Let us hear Dr. Lohia « r t fa?*r sftspfw now. f*r#»fV— ir, *ft t o wswra : irfir 5 ® Trarcff % ?ff ^err ferr ^ 1 % f a *r ^r^rr g f a TT I Tt folTT f> I fa %*sttr s w t *?t 5r aft HWT «r Tt T^TT 5TT Tf[T ^ : •pit *T5 fa jf jtrsfr tgym if Trcw^tir *n»T?ft firrTfipt if ir n w % crtr r? *it% if, Tte qf!T% if «flr *U T V T W I 3 * f a t t f t ^>jjT 3TT T ^ T *nW t*t5T% if TTTsftT £ | fa fo r ^ ftTTT^V sPT3fT§l »T"ff ? JWT^Wt Shri Sworan Singh: The emergency q fR y ^ IRTWH^VTTt commissioned officers, after termina­ 5PC? ^trt ^ fa v *m k mtnror tion of the period of emergency com­ ftwrffifr T*rf t t i t s mission, can be considered for jobs for which there are certain reservations. SR* T*% T*?T ff«=RRT «ftK jpPC Tt Certain State Governments have epRTX ^ tptt ? agreed to reserve certain posts the State Governments for those officers who may have been released but I do *Wdi ^ I VT*..... n ott* t H'fljsr Htfjorr : jw Shrimati Sharda Mukerjee: Sir, may I know .. Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Hon. arra ^ sp^^t^ i Members who have tabled the ques­ MPT N f I tion must be given preference. ?PtT5r w t t ^twt % m ^ari *rat sft*r Shrimati Sharda. Mukerjee: You are *m*r*rt*ra»ar g t ^ t i allowing him to put two questions. Mr. Speaker: That may be so. There sft

Mr. B fd k «r: I think he has answer­ Shri B « u ia Slafh: Tbe £resh re­ ed that question, that there is no cruitment of officers and after recruit­ dtiteence between them in tbe matter ment training at Khadakvasla and of draw, food habits and all that. He Dehra Dun is an essential part o f our feas that there Is absolutely no recruitment and training programme. difference. Therefore, I myself not All these persons are recruited on a able to understand the hon. Member’s competitive basis. It is wrong to sug­ question. gest that only children or rich people find entry into these institutions. It is an all-India competition. To my per­ Shri Bal Raj Madhok: There is a sonal knowledge, a very large percen­ charge being made that there may be tage of boys of persons of average in­ mo discrimination on paper but the come also apply and they are selected fact remains that some of the senior and given training. ’ At the time of officers who have come out of the training there is no additional ex­ sainik schools and out of other insti­ penditure. So, it is wrong to suggest tutions, where they have been brought that cadets or their parents have to up in a completely anglicised atmos­ bear the expenditure at that time. phere, do not like those officers who are not as much anglicised as they are •ft : 5ft ^ T ^ 33TT <117 and that becomes one of the reasons for these people being thrown out. Will the hon. Minister hold an inquiry Mr. Speaker: You may not agree into that? with the answer, I agree. It may not be satisfactory, but you have an answer to the question. Shri Swaran Singh: I do not accept feat. •ft : tfTT TJT Njqf'TI TT JHPTt...

| fr fl'M -K % »fVflr w f t fr • ftT m d ro r a * : Srrn?v*rop«iT TT?ft»r WMrcf *f % ftre tpr TTJHWfclJTFT TT* TT IT*? fttTT | f r 3 *ward' Tt gt tf «tctt *t w t * tt Tfrr 1 t^ t £ fr 4 l l 4 l v ( W I tj*l> WIT I *>gl ^ f r IB'T TT% TTiRTfT^T Sf, ^TT^T Sf TTtfar % 5TS% I flWT5T $?rft «r iw wCf Ttftre»r tt fftST t fr eft firgTf ?t>t afr'Ti% vrar T rofr»rr ^trtt | pt TT^tr g*rrt m z t t siVr sit *r?rf *ft% frar k ts r 'tt *?ft ^ fr firefcr Tt^ r% FTPff 'TTvPlTqT TUT HTRTCrw •irr-qnrHrafif fcfa rcfir | ? tftaT fRTsr t 1 ?b tt anmr snff WW-Ci Tt WT? ^TTT Trfcf, -dHTt *tptt $ 1 wTT*r?r ?CTTrf3P:r*rt»ff $t«wsr Mr. speaker: There is no point of 5f ^rxrvrtir »rpft v n f w r fcwrf order. The hon. Member may re­ sume his seat. ^ dW l HVft TT, #TTT TT* *t a n u ff 'T T Shri Ranjeet Singh: At the very H irf Tt *wnr ?ftr tt *t% ?fWf beginning, Sir, I would request you to permit me to ask two or three sup- fc snjrf Tt, inftr % wppf *?t plementaries, instead of just one. My sronrr uit^ ? u f «fcfr «frt%r «W *twr Mr. Speaker; In that one supple­ *59mrrTT*r ? mentary he can say (a), (b), (e) and 3421 O ral Answers APRIL 7, M* 7 Oral Answers 349a

3 Oral Atuwert CHAITRA 1*7, l d » (SAKA) ■■■ Oral Antwers 3 4 3 4

arrangem ents «r« baaed on td d o f a Statmatl Sharda N a k w jet: in fate -view aad after 3 tokiftg. an assessment statement, the hon. Minister haa men* tbla threat. So, I would like to tioned that one-third of the eunure the hon. House and the country will be released now and two-thirds that we are very conscious of these will be released on a phased prog­ dangers and, it will be our endeavour ramme. This phased programme is a to keep ovirselves in a state of pre­ most dangerous thing. After the last paredness, to meet any threat- to our War, the phased programme went on integrity and sovereignty. lor 15 years. May I know from the hon. Minister, firstly, what is the average age of the officers who have been re­ On the specific point relating to the leased and, secondly, has the Govern­ emergency commissioned officers, in ment got any kind « f a programme hi* question he has asked two or three regarding either compensation or pen­ things, lhrstly, it is true that some sion for the officers who are relea­ ■of the emergency commissioned offi­ sed? Let me make out the difference cers, just as regular commissioned here. These officers are not conscrp- officers and short-service commissioned ted men; they are Emargecy Com­ 'Officers, did have battle experience mission men. Therefore, would the and some of them have even received hon. Minister give us some idea as to •decorations. We take into considera­ whether they have arrived at any de­ tion the experience and the decora­ finite programme regarding their tions and awards when those caaea compensation or pension which these are. considered for the award of per­ released officers will get? manent commissions. Those factors are taken into consideration and we do Shri Swaran Singh: Abtout the attach importance to battle training phased programme, that is contained and their performance at the time of in the statement itself, that they are ^battle. intended to be released in four batches during the years 1967 to 1970. About compensation or pension, the Emer­ gency Commissioned officers are not It. is in the interest of maintaining entitled to any pension. But there are ■the army both young and efficient certain rules about the notice period that there should not be an age block and that is the only thing that is paid at a particular level but the~e should to them. tie constant replenishing by younger people with more intensive training f Shrimati Sharda Mukerjee: Sir, and with better opportunities. It is this phased programme which was really in the interest of keeping the brought up after the last War—it was army trim and ready and that is the the same thing that within the next TjaBic consideration that prevailed with three years, so many officers will be my distinguished predecessor when released—was carried over a period of this decision was taken to introduce IS years and at the end of 15 years, ahort-service commissions also so that there was still Emergency Commission -there should be a constant replenish­ in the sense that they were still not ing at a particular age level by young entitled to pension or any compensa­ people who can perform their duties tion. That is the difference I am well. All these factors are taken into making. consideration. For those who have to leave jobs, as I have said already, we Shri Swaran Singh: I take note of try to find jobs for them in the Gov. this and I will ensure that that in­ eminent, PuW c Undertakings and convenience is not caused. ‘State Governments. That, I think, ia the beat from the country’s point of Skrl Hem BUroa: Sir, the Hander- view and also from (ha individuals’ ■on-Brooks Report on NZFA Debacle point o f view. baa sa id .... 3435 Oral Annoert AM Ut, T, 1««T Oral A nsw er*

A rnboa. Member: How do you proud and a referene should be m ate know it? iir that context rather than in the con­ Shit Hem Benia: A summary of it text which the hon. Member hm put was pieced on the Table of the House. We take into consideration experience, youth and valour and after taking ail The Handerson-Brooks Report on these things into consideration, in the KEFA Debacle has pointedly Mid that interest of keeping our Army in gotxt we suffered the debacle against the trim, these decisions have been taken, Chinese only because of the fact that and I would like to assure that even our officers in command did not have about their personal problems, we the requisite experience. On the are anxious to do as much as we can. other hand, neither China has give up Now that there are State Govern­ her claim on NEFA nor Pakistan has ments in which many of the Opposi­ given up her claim on Kashmir. Then, tion parties are represented, I would the hon. Minister said about the youth appeal to them to use their good offi­ and experience. Youth and experience ces to find alternative employment for do not go together. them even in those State Govern­ ments. *To Shri D. C. Sharma: As described- by the hon. Defence Minister—I cong­ Shri Hem Barua: Shri Nath Fai is ratulate him on that. an exception. Shri M. B. Krishna: It has not been done. Why does he congratulate him? Whatever that might be, when Pakistan attacked us, we threw our Shri D. C. Sharma: He has said young officers into the battle field and that the threat from China to our we suffered heavy losses of officers.. country continues and the threat from Pakistan to our country continues. Shri Inderjit Malhotra: They fought In view of these two simultaneous valiantly. threats. . . . Shri Hem Barua: But at the same An hon. Member: Perpetual threats. time, we suffered heavy losses. Shri D. C. Sharma:. .almost perpe­ In the context of that, may I know tual threats, to the integrity ana why, instead of throwing these Emer­ sovereignty of this country, may I gency Commission personnel to' the ask the hon. Defence Minister >f ne streets who responded to the call 9t was justified in painting such a dep­ the nation, who are patriotic and who ressing picture about the future of have more experience also, and who are these emergency commissioned officers valiant and have courage like you, Sir, and after having done so, does he ex­ the Government did not absorb them; pect that, when we are again in need- or have the Government chalked out a of emergency officers, valiant, cour­ plan to gainfully employ them in the ageous and brave young men will different services of the country? come forward to man our forces when they know that they have a phased Mr. Speaker: He may answer again. programme, as the lady. Member Bepetltion is good. said—in the phased programme, the last was enterriity—when they know Shri Swaran Singh: I would like to that they have no compensation? Is it say that we should pay a tribute to not a fact that this is a picture which is our young officers who did not care going to dampen the spirits of the for their lives and in a very brave and youth of this country for taking emer­ courageous manner, led their troops gency commissions? and exposed themselves to the risk. That is a glorious chapter in our his­ Shri Swaran Singh: I am sorry if X tory, of whih we should always be pointed a depressing picture. It is not a 3 4 3 / Oral Answer* CHATTRA 17, 18*9 (SAKA) Oral A nsw ers 342? depressing picture at alL A i a matter homage, because I think that homage of fact, I think there is more depression is not a substitute for a living wage? In the minds of critics and doubters than in the mindi of our youth and Mr. Speaker: I do not think that oar people. . I have absolutely no the hon. Minister should answer it. doubt that in a moment of crisis, the response will be even greater. This Shri Swaran Singh: That is not our was the response on emergency com­ policy. mission basis. There were patriotic considerations in that response and •ft w® v ra f : if grnrrr these considerations will remain vilid ■HI S51I ff IV rft HlfiS ¥T even in any future emergency. wrarr £ % firaJf sro-

“President Ayub Khan of Pak­ T?r?nr ?ft fr SHTanfrnT 1 istan declared today that Pakistan- will not reduce its army strengths Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: When because of India’s attitude, accord­ emergency commissioned officers were ing to Radio Pakistan; he said, recruited, no conditions were imposed, Pakistan had enlarged and streng­ but in the year 1968, there were some thened its Army for a particular amendments as a result of which they purpose, to fight back the growing have Imposed a condition of reserve threat against her border; so long liability of ten years. Would the Gov­ as the threat was there, Pakistan ernment waive this liability since could not afford to reduce its they are so anxious to see that their Army". services are utilised properly? ?TTeakm .‘ Now, we shall taXa to allow run-away Generals to write up the calling-attentior-notice. Shri books, publish books and earn dollar, Chintamani Panigrahi. and to reward people who have fought m il with unemployment and dry Shri 8 . M. Banerjee: The first part 3 4 2 9 Written Answer* APRIL 7, 1967 Written Answer* 3 4 3 0

« f my question at least may be re- to the Government as to which aa* : jplled to. the collieries and coals that may b t projected for exports, in particular to Mr. Speaker: I have gone on to the Japan, and the probable impact at the inext item". I am sorry. export of prime coking coal (Grade A - to C) on steel plants. *Rie Govern­ WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUES­ ment have accepted the recommenda­ TIONS tion and have constituted a Standing Group consisting of:— Bokaro Steel Project (i) Coal Controller .. Chairman *321. Star! Sezhiyan: Will the Min­ (ii) Deputy Regions} Manager,.. Member ister of Steel, Mines and Metals be M.M.T.C., Calcutta. pleased to state: (iiij Coal Mining Adviser, .. Member (a) whether it is a fact that an Department of Mines & agreement with the Soviet Govern­ Metals ment has been finalised on the con­ livj A repres entative of the .. Member struction of the Bokaro Steel Project; Department of Iron & Steel. (b) if so, the cost of each stage of The recommendations of the Study the project; and Group and the views of concerned Departments of Government on the (c) the extent of reduction in cost different grades and qualities of coal as compared to the original project for export are under examination by report submitted by Soviet experts? the Government. The Minister of Steel, Mines and Metals (Dr. Chenna Reddy): (a) Yes, Development of Mining of Minerals Sir. (b) and(c). A statement is placed *326. Dr. P. Mondal: on the Table of the House. [Placed Shri S. C. Samanta: in Library. See No. LT-3KH/67]. Will the Minister of Steel, Mines and Export of coal to Japan Metals be pleased to state: *325. Shri S. C. Samanta: (a) the steps taken for providing financial assistance for the develop­ Dr. P. Mtondal: ment of mining of minerals; and Will the Minister of Commerce be .pleased to state: (b) whether there is any proposal to allow mortgage of mining leases for (a) whether Government have set loans from banks and other financial up a panel for exploring possibilities Institutions? of export of coal to Japan and other countries; The Minister of Steel, Mines and Metals (Dr. Chenna Reddy): (a) (b) if so, the composition and terms The existing institutions for providing of reference of the Panel; and financial assistance to the mining in­ dustry are Industrial Finance Corpora* (c) the expectations regarding the tion, the finance corporations of the export of coal and the grades that can State Governments and the schedtided be made available for earning foreign banks. The Minerals and Metals exchange? Trading Corporation of India Limited are also granting loans to certain mine The Minister of Commerce (Skit owners against contracts for supply of Dlnesh Singh): (a) to (c). The ore for purchase of mining machinery/ "Study Group for exports of Coal had, equipment and to provide for deve­ inter alia recommended the setting up lopment o f mines, construction of ap­

to the rrihw, construction ot weigh- sarily relate to contributions made bridges, etc. Recently, ~m Study Group during the period from 1st April, 1966 was constituted to examine tbe ques­ to 31st March, 1967 and in some cases tion o f finance for mining industry. may indude contributions made ear­ This Group has made certain proposals lier. The profit and loss accounts of for liberalising the condition for grant companies for financial years ending o f credit to mining industry and in­ after 30th June, 1966, which may con­ troducing in the commercial opera­ tain a part of the desired information, tions of the banks and other finance may not have been submitted yet to institutions a bias in favour of mining Registrars of Companies in many cases industry. These proposals are under as the maximum period available to -consideration. the companies for submission of such (b) Under the Mineral Concession accounts after the closing of the ac­ Rules, I960, mortgage of mining leases counting year may extend to ten is permissible for taking loans from months after the closing date. financial institutions like Industrial Finance Corporations or from the Diesel Locomotive Workshop scheduled banks. -Contributions made to Political Parties 328. Shri C. J&nardhanan: Will the by Companies Minister of Railways be pleased to *327. Shri Chintamanl Panigrahi: state: Shri Madhu Llmtyc: (a) whether it is a tact that the Will the Minister of Industrial Deve­ Diesel Locomotive Workshop, Varanasi lopment and Company Affairs be is threatened with closure due to pleased to state the contributions made financial crisis; and to the various political parties by (b) if so, the steps taken to meet Companies from the 1st April, 1966 to the crisis? 31st March, 1967? The Minister for Railways (Shri C. The Minister of Industrial Develop­ M. Poonacha): (a) No, Sir. ment and Company Affairs (Shri F.A. Ahmed). From the returns furnished

(b) if «o, whether Government have analysed the reasons -which led to the 1*11 In prices; and * 3 3 7 . •• (c) whether any report has been ■ ftftr m n : •called for from the said non-Congress r r a : Ministries in the matter for guidance of other State Governments? •prr fcsw *r?ft »T5 v t f * r Hie Minister of Commerce (Shri % : Vinesb Singh): (a) Prices of food- graina and other commodities both (t ) w t ^ ift v r in States with Congress Governments % «tw »t 40 nftrcfe and Non-Congress Governments have sto t o ? fircsiwcrr % wrsrrc «n: recently shown a mixed trend and the prices of some food-grains have in particular exhibited a declining -trend. («■) »wt JT? nt t fr (b) It is usual for the prices of jrftrenr *nfa t t m w t t i w i t foodgrains to come down at this time aipr fjpqT iPTT TT; of the year as the stocks held back are 'brought into the markets in anticipa­ (it) WT ^ Hf? «PT!f«ntfV tion of the coming of rabi crops and «FT% % '&% •fl+'O ^ to avail of the prevailing prices. ^ TT fiR K farOT ; %f(X (c) Does not arise. Export of Bristles Via Nepal (*r) *r^f, gft w *335. Shri Surendranath Dwlvedy: P Will the Minister of Commerce be ter* vfcft «pr<> gmwr) : pleased to state: (*r) sft 37 1 sr*ft % ^ r 29 fl? r w (a) whether it has come to the notice of Government that some Indian fa rter vf Tt watft »r*ft $ e w trading houses are exporting Bristles 5 ^^sft sftsr jrfa ^ t #«TIWT via Nepal to European countries thereby depriving this country of a k > good amount of earnings of foreign (^) aft ft 1 34 fsmfirr exchange; fa fiw rf % srftrsn»r far against those who have indulged (n) 1 in this practice? (*r) *ms=r «r«rr 1 The Minister of Commerce (Shri Dlnesh Singh): (a) to (c). It was Import of Railway Stores brought to Government’s notice that some traders were exporting bristles *338. Shri Jyotivmoy Basu: from India to Nepal for re-export to Shri A. K. Gopalan: third countries thus causing loss of Shri C. K. Chakrapani: foreign exchange to India. These Will the Minister of Hallways be complaints were looked into but no pleased to state: specific cases could be detected. How­ ever, as a precaittUnwr measure, (a) whether Government have stops have already been taken to imported from U.S.A. large quantities p r e v e n t exports of bristles to Nepal. of Bailway stores during 19WS-B6; 3437 Written Antwert APRIL 7, 1067 Written Anawers 3433

(b) if ao, the total value of the K ve Year Flan, the Government of stores purchased during the period; India, at the instance <4 the Plan­ ning Commission, appointed various (c) whether Government are aware working groups to draw programmes that some of the stores could be pro­ on different aspects of the economy. duced in this country; and As a part of this work, the sub-group (d) if so, the reasons for purchasing on small scale industries was ap­ these stores from abroad? pointed with Shri K. V. Venkatache­ lam as the Chairman. This sub-group The Minister of Railways (Shri considered the recommendations C. M. Poonarha): (a) and (b). Rail­ made by the Committee on Dispersal way stores involving foreign exchange of Industries for formulating its own payment of Rs. 16.61 crores only were recommendations for decentralization imported from U.S.A. during 1965-66 of industries. whereas the total value of stores pur­ chased during the same period was In the meantime, the Rural Indus­ Rs. 329'71 crores. tries Planning Committee of the Plan­ (c) The stores imported from ning Commission appointed a com­ U.S.A. referred to above did not in­ mittee called the “Committee on In­ clude any items produced in India at centives for Rural Industrialisation” the time they were ordered. with Dr. D. K. Malhotra, Joint Secre­ tary as the Chairman in December, (d) Does not arise in view of (c) 1964. (On Dr. Malhotra taking up above. an U.N. assignment later, Shri K. V. Venkatachelam took over as the- Venkatachelam Committee Chairman of the Committee). This- Committee was to consider the incen­ *339. Shri S. R. Damanl: Will the tives required for accelerating the Minister of Industrial Development development of industries in se’ ected and Company Affairs be pleased to rural industries project areas. This state: Committee submitted its report in June, 1966. In making their recom- (a) whether the Venkatachelam menations, this Committee also con­ Committee has submitted its recom­ sidered the recommendations of the mendations for suggesting special in­ earlier Committee on Dispersal of centives for backward areas; Industries and came to the conclusion (b) if so, whether the said Report that the concessions and incentives has been scrutinised and if so, Gov­ suggested in the report should be- ernment’s decision thereon; and admissible to small scale units in 49 1 (c) if not, when the Report is ex­ rural industries project areas cnly during the Fourth Five Year Plan pected to be submitted? Period. The recommendations of this The Minister of Industrial Deve­ latter Committee are under considera­ lopment and Company Affairs (Shri tion of the Planning Commission. F. A. Ahmed): (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. (c) Does not arise. The Committee on Dispersal of In­ dustries (commonly known as Venka­ Shift from Industrial Pulley Reeolu- tachelam Committee) submitted its tion report in December, 1901. While the *349. Shrimati Tarkeshwari Sinha: recommendations of this Commit­ Will the Minister of Industrial Deve­ tee were under consideration in con­ lopment and Company Affairs be sultation with the other Ministries pleased to state: concerned, the national emergency was declared and it was felt that fur­ (a) whether Government's attention ther consideration might be deferred has been drawn to the statement at for the time being. Later, in connec­ the Industries Minister of Kerala in tion with the drafting of the Fourth which he hinted at the possibility of 3439 Written Answer* CHATTRA 17, 1B89 (SAKA) W ritten Answ ers 3 4 4 0 the shift* in the Industrial Policy The Minister of tadustrial Deve­ Resolution.; lopment and Company Attain (Shri F. A . Ahmed): (a) Yes, Sir. M|s. (b) whether Government have got Bharat Electronics Limited, Bangalore the details of the new policy to be propose to manufacture X-Ray Tubes. pursued by the State Government; and (b) About Rs. 47 60 lakhs per fc) how far the proposed new in­ annum. dustrial policy of Kerala Government (c) Yes, Sir. will conform to the overall pattern of (d) Yes, Sir. Details are under ex­ the Industrial Policy Resolution of the amination. Central Government? Operating Efficiency of Indian Rail­ The Minister of Industrial Deve­ ways lopment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A. Ahmed): (a) and (b). A news *342. Shri K. P. Sinhg Deo: item appearing in a section of the Shri D. N. Patodift: press has come to the notice of the VJUY the Minister of Hallways be Government according to which the pleased to state: Industries Minister of Kerala is stated to have hinted at the possibility of (a) the reasons which are standing a shift in the industrial policy of the in the way of increasing the efficiency State Government. He is, however, of operation and the speed of the- stated to have declined to give the Indian Railways as compared to other details of the new policy which, developed countries despite the very according to him, is still under State large investments in the recent times; Government’s consideration. The and news item does not mention the Indus­ (b) the steps taken to improve the trial Policy Resolution as such. No norms of operation of the Indian Rail­ further information in the matter is ways? available with the Government of India. The Minister of Railways (Shri C.M. Poonacha): (a) and (b) A statement (c) Does not arise. is ’aid on the table of the Sabha. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-311/ 67]. Manufacture of X-Ray Tubes Khetrl Copper Project *341. Shri P. K. Deo: *343. Shri D. N. Patodia: Shri G. C. Nalk: Shri N. K. Somani: Shri K. P. Singh Deo: Shri A. Dlpa: Will the Minister of Steel, Mines and Metals be pleased to state: Will the Minister of Industrial Deve­ lopment and Company Affairs be (a) the capital outlay that was pleased to state: originally estimated some years back for the Khetri Copper Project and the (a) whether there is any proposal latest estimate of the capital outlay to manufacture X-Ray tubes in tne which has been prepared for this pro­ public sector in India; ject; (b) if so, how much annual saving (b) the period during which this in foreign exchange will be made as a project was originally estimated to be result thereof; completed and the period which Gov­ ernment now consider necessary to (c) whether it is also proposed to complete the project: have any foreign collaboration in this (c) if the completion of the project project; and is likely to take a longer time, th® (d) if so. the main features thereof? reasons therefor; and 3 4 4 1 Written Antwer* APH H . 7, 1967 Wrttten Anmoere 3 4 4 a

(d) whether the estimated total out­ (b) if to, the details thereof; and put of the project on completion j« .considered economic in the context of (c) tiie measure Government pro­ its capital outlay? pose to take to prevent such incidents The Minister of steel, ^ taking place in the running trainsT "Metal* (Dr. M. Cheana Reddy): (a) The Minister of Railways (Shri The capital outlay for the Khetn C. M. Fooaacha): (a) Yes Sir. Copper Project for the production of .21,000 tonnes of copper per annum (b) Shri Darbari Lai, MLA accom­ estimated in 1962 was Rs. 24*44 crores. panied by his friend, a Principal of a local school, left by 357 The revised capital cost for the en­ Up at 10-35 P.M. on 16th March 1967. larged project which will produce He was sleeping in a third class com­ .31,000 tonnes of copper metal per partment. Just after the train left annum (21,000 tonnes from Khetri- Bhupia Mau Station, it was stopped .and 10,000 tonnes from the ore at by pulling the alarm chain at about Kolihan) along with the Sulphuric 00-30 hours. Some persons entered Acid and Fertiliser Plant is estimated the compartment and fired 3 shots at .at Rs. 73‘52 crores. Shri Darbari Lai. The assailants got down and disappeared in the fields (b) Originally it was proposed to under cover of darkness. Shri Darbari •complete the project by 1966. It is Lai was taken to Partapgarh station, now expected that it will be commis­ given medical aid and then sent to sioned by end of 1969-70. Civil Hospital where unfortunately he expired. (c) The delay was occassioned by -non-availability of foreign credit to (cO Maintenance of law and order meet the foreign exchange require­ in railway premises as a'so safety and security of railway property and life ments of the project. Besides, it was and property of passengers and rail­ also decided to enlarge the scope of way employees is the responsibility of the project and a1 so to make provi­ the State Government and the State sion for the recovery and utilisation Government Railway Police and close of by-products to imporve the econo­ co-operation as required is maintained mics of the project. with them at various levels. (d) In view of the scarcity of copper metal and the importance of develop­ Exoprt-oriented Spinning' Mills ing indigenous production and also the *345. Shri Vasudevan Natr: ruling prides of the metal, the project Shri C. Janardhanan: is considered economic even at the Shri P. C. Adichan: -revised capital cost. Will the Minister of Commerce be pleased to state: Shooting of an MX.A. (D.P.) in running Train (a) whether any decision has been taken regarding the location of the *344. Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: centrally sponsored export-oriented Shri Ham KishaD Gupta: spinning mills; and Will the Minister of Railways be Ob) if so, the places chosen for the -pleased to state: same? (a) whether it is a fact that Shri The Minister of Commerce (Shri Darbari Lai M.L.A. (U.P.) was shot Dineah Singh): (a) and (b). The •dead on the 10th March, 1967 in a train question of location of Centrally spon­ near Bhupia Mau Railway Station, sored export-oriented spinning mills xthree miles from Partapgarfc; is under examination. 3< 3B Wrl»«r* 3 4 4 4

- X n f e t t t f * C f M U t i t e ?w n % *rar ^ *rr srr* •MS. Shri R. Baron: Will the Min- «PH#»I3?T % faRTT-fimtf % *TRT t*ter o f Commerce be pleased to state: v * hwfw Jf f® fafaror W | (a) whether India’s trade with East sftr t t «ffsr w fa?«rr snSfflr 1 European countries has perceptibly Railway Restaurants on Southern Bljr. declined in the recent months; and •348. Shri A. Sreedharan: Will the (b) if so, the steps taken to check Minister of Railways be pleased to the dec'ine and the result thereof? state:

Hie Minister of Commerce (Shri (a) whether Government have any Dlaetfi Singh): (a) No, Sir. The proposal under consideration to trade registered progressive increase departmsnta’ise all Railway restau­ from August, 1966 onwards, although rants on the Southern Railway; there was some decline in the month o f November, as can be seen from the (b) whether it is a fact that there attached statement, which can be have been frequent complaints about treated as casual. [Placed in Library. the Railway Restaurants in the See No. LT-312/67]. Olavakkot Division on the Southern Railway; and (b) Does not arise. (c) if so, the steps taken to remedy the situation? vfqrff f w r The Minister of Railways (Shri C. M. Poonacha): (a) No,.Sir. (b) Presumably the Hon. Member * 347. la referring to refreshment rooms In *rert ^ f a •• the Olavakkot Division run depart- mentally. There are three Vegetarian ( * ) wt ji? sr* t Pp Refreshment Rooms at Erode, Coimba­ mrdfa farter* s?«NTTt tore arid Ernakulam stations which are under departmental management. Complaints received during the year rt% vr imr fiwT ^tpt, 1966 in respect of these refreshment rooms were 6, 3 and 3 respectively.

( « ) *rfir ?r, ?ft w *n*mr % (c) All these complaints were en­ quired into and staff held responsible in each of these case 8 were suitably dealt with. Supervision has also «rrtr («ft 3 "m r) been tightened up to ensure a good ( v ) «fV ft, 'nfffsr *TTr?frsr standard of catering. 'rfT'K s m Trfrg1 5 ® ^ r ttt Textile Industry r t 1 750. Shri George Fernandes; Dr. Ranen Sen: («r) fera arhr Shri J. M. Biswas: tersnTTfr t Will the Minister of Commerce be far^fy farnfrn fiRfta Terr *rw>i ^ pleased to state: «ft 1 ^ tePWR faflro ifa (a) whether he has been holding % q^f % vw ! %ftr wtfuwl fw fff fifc j with the representatives of th* textile industry and the textile work­ ers on the problem* confronting the Ttf -tAPw ^ $ i textile Industry; 386 (A£) XflD—3 Written Answers Answers 3445 APRlL 7, 1967 Written 34 ,,r (b) the steps outlined by him to (c) the estimated cost of save the situation in the textile m­ factory? dustry from further deterioration? The Minister of Steel, Mines The Deputy Minister in the Minis­ Metals (Dr. Chenna Reddy): (a) try of Commerce (Shri Shafi Qureshi): Sir; (a) and (b). A result of the s a (b) After considering in cnsulta-.' discussions which Government have tion with an Expert Team of the Wesl · had recently with all the cotton in­ German Consultants, M[s. Vereignite • terest concerned, the fo'.low ing steps s Aluminium Werke (VAW) the various' have already been taken re pru- or a fa:ctors in determining the location.· 1,ose to be taken:- d such as technical advantages, effi­ (1) A Bill has just been introduced ciency and ease of transportation amt in the Parliament for converting capital and operational cost, the Con-' into an Act the Ordinance which sultants were asked to prepare a:· detailed Project port ith Ratnagirl was promulgated in December, Re w 1966. This Ordinance provided on the West Coast as location. Th,•: Project Report since received is at enabling powers to the Central present under examination. Government and its offic'ers to reduce compulsorily machine ( c) The cost of the project, as esti­ activity in our mills with a mated by the West German Consul­

view to effecting savings in the tants 1 is Rs 76.09 crores (includinr use of raw cotton which is in Rs. 5.19 cro;es for township). The.'. short supply. cost estimates appear to be on the' high side and efforts are being made­ (2) Intensification of steps already to revise them suitably. taken to secure an orilerly and Pa5Seng-er Train Halt at Jadupur :tai distribution of th limited r e Village supplies of raw cotton, both domesti:c and :foreign, which are 752. Shri available. These steps in­ Will the Minister of cluded regulation o:t movement pleased to state: of cotton under permits issued ( a) whether any application by the Textil Commissioner, e the residents of Jadupur Village near . stipulation of maximum limits Bhubaneswar (South Eastern Railway) ·for the holding of cotton stocks 1 has been received for a passenger by mi .ls and requisitioning train halt there; and cotton supplies, wherever ne­ cessary and feasible. (b) if so, the steps taken to meet ·. their demand? (3) The possibility of importing further quantities of forei:tn The �finister of Railways (Shrf , cotton .is also being investiga�ed. C. M. Poonacha): (a) Ye3. (b) The proposal was examined but • could not be accepte for want of Location of Aluminium Factory in d adequ:i.t justification. Maharashtra e 751. Shrimati Sharda Mnkerjee: �r-if���� Will the Min'ist�r of Steel, Mines and Metals be pleased to state: 7 5 3. "TI'::ftf� � � : iill'T tri­

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w ft (*flr ?fto q«ro s^rar) : (n) ^ tf fcnf?r sr^r |?tt 1 ^ r ti*-Hfn ^ft 2 5 5 0 ^T*t ^t fTf^T ( t ) *ftr (s).tft fr i TT «W*)li't ^ I (n) ?r (s). T rsfrfft srr^r ^ - q ^*i t if iil Railway Line between Chamara- % t%CTF)Ttff TT Wd rPITH ®T^T*>T janacar and Sathyamangalau •ft 3TT Tft | ^To.t *ftv%fl t I 757. Sbri S. M. Siddiah: Will the ?^?PT % tvRTOT TT SkT Minister of Railways be pleased to *1*11 »l 'PT TT*T 5/CT f t ^piT *tYt state: ^TT WH fSKIHt TT *Tf ^FT ST^CT, (a) whether the Governments of 1967 ?t TT% 1968 5T*> Rrf«m ^Toft Mysore and Madras had recommended Sr ^tt ft^rr srntTF i to the Central Government that the construction of the Railway line between Chamarajanagar and Sathya* M jrtnjt HSR t t n rA tt T irt it mangalam should be taken up in the W T 4H I Second Five Year Plan;

756. tW fej WITTO •■ (b) whether both the State Govern­ ments again recommended that th* g*P*r vaprw : line should be taken up in the Fourth ^TT -Reft ^ Fi «feTT% *rt I s^T^T Five Year Plan; ftr : (c) whether the Control Board of Transport had also recommended for ( t ) 1 iif ^ pf n»ct) -am st ^ttst PRpft frPr would be economically more feasible and could be taken up for construc­ & ? tion; and *Wt («ft *fto q*r® jm m ) : (e) if so, whether Government pre­ ( v ) ffHIW : WTKW ’TTT ffailT IpRTSNr pose to Include the above line in the % qrft Sr wr% tctt% t ** Fourth Five Year PlanT 3 4 5 ' W ritten Answ er* CHAITRA 17, 1889 ( 5 AKA) Written A nsw ers 3 4 5 3

t t * Mlntaterof Railways (Shri Fertilizer Plant, Neyveli C. M. Pooaacba): (a) Yes. 459. Slut Seshlyan: Will the Minis­ (b) Only the Government of Mysore ter of Steel, Mines Metals be have recommended its construction pleased to state: during the Fourth Plan. (a) whether there was' an outbreak of fire in the lignite dust of the ferti­ (c) The Central Board of Transport lizer plant in Neyveli on the 13th recommended in 1952 the construction February, 1967; of the Chamarajanagar-Coimbatore alignment along with the Khandwa- (b) if so, the damage caused to life Hingoli link to bridge the gap bet­ and property; ween the North and South Metre gauge systems. (c) whether any enquiry has been conducted into the cause of the Hr* (d) Yes; but both the routes were and the preventive measures available not financially justified. there; and

(e) No. The Chamarajanagar-Sath- (d) if so, the steps taken by Got* yamanga’.am line was thought of as a ernment after the enquiry? link between the North and South MG systems. The Bangalore-Salem The Minister *f Steel, Mines sad link was considered as a better alter­ Metals (Dr. Chenna Reddy): (a) Yes, native than the Chamarajanagar- Sir. Coimbatore/Mettupalayam link, and its construction taken up and is in pro­ (b) Two employees—one Junior gress. Plant Manager and one Semi-skilled worker died as a result of this acci­ dent. There was no damage to the Scholarships in Khnrda Division of property. S. E. Railway (c) and (d) The Factory Inspector­ 758. Shri Chintamani Panigrahi: ate of the Government of Madras and Will the Minister of Railways be also a special Committee constituted pleased to state: by the Neyveli Lignite Corporation (a) the number of scholarships have investigated the matter. While awarded in Khurda Division of the tbe report of the former is still awai­ S.E. Railway from the Staff Benefit ted, the recommendations made by the Fund during 1962-63, 1963-64, 1965-6S latter are under consideration of the and 1966-67; Corporation. However, as an imme­ diate measure, tho Corporation have (b> whether the number has been made some adjustments in the drier Increased for 1967-68; and slack of the Gas Plant and this Is expected to prevent the recurrence (c) if so, to what extent? of similar accidents.

The Minister of Railways (Shri C. Manufacture of Passenger Cars M. Poonacha): (a) Eighteen during 1982-63; Twenty nine during 1963-64; Twenty eight during 1965-66; and 761. Shri Seshlyan: Will the Min­ Twenty eight during 1906-67. ister of Industrial Development and Company Affairs be pleased to state: (b) This will depend upon the ap­ plications for scholarships and these (a) whether Government have have not been invited so far. taken a decision to curtail the expan­ sion of production of passenger cars (c) Dow not arise. IS the country; 3 4 5 3 Written Anatom APRH. 7, IMS' Wrttun 4mmra

(b) tt so, the m m i therefor and IdwviTttitBiUM taiM W Am the extent o f reduction decided; end 7 0 . Shii Kanwar U ChqKa: WtH (e) the action to be taken to meet the Minister of Railways be pleased the increasing demand for passenger to refer to the reply given to cars in the country? Unstarred Question No. 488 on the 4th Ik e Minister of Industrial Develop­ November, 1986 and state: ment and Company Affairs Shri (a) the year in which the Delhi F. A. Ahmed): (a) No. Avoiding Lines and connected Tm lle (b) Does not arise. Facilities Project was formulated; (b) the steps taken to complete the (c) The question as to the manner project expeditiously; and in which additional capacity for the manufacture of passenger cars should (c) when the lines are likely to be set up is under consideration. be opened to traffic? The Minister of Railways (Shri C. M. Poonacha): (a) to (c): The pro­ ject was sanctioned in January, 196% 762. «ft far** : jwt but sufficient progress could not be *fsfV JT^ ^*t FTT ^>^*1 Pp : made in the work due to difficulties that had to be overcome in acquiring (*>) «RT 24 1 9 6 6 the land and also because contract at ('f* ^51%) «TC one of the contractors had to be ter­ minated on account of his 'failure tn wfir it o h t | ^ t t % arr^ *r arr maintaining adequate progress and rift 3rr«r *5t fw ts w *k + k Tt. this brought about a certain amount f*m I ; of delay. Possession of almost the entire land has recently been obtained ( w ) « R T W ^ r t *t*T ? T apT g *T - and fresh tenders for completing tlte remaining part of the work have since fir*rfnr *ttct trzxt vt been accepted and the work in all forr: % firei^ sft t o r «pt fr^n: zones is now in full swing. t ? The overall progress of the work Is about 52 per cent and the project is expected to be completed by the end fcw »Wt («ft tfto j*rm ) : of December, 1968. (v) *nr^r «tm*r m ftevrr lr fc ait 24 «r^pr, 1966 ^t wiHflviH Delay in the Execution of PnbUe Sector Projects ^1<^I J?, R »pn velopment and Company Affairs be W % *ii vi TtT pleased to state: 3?rft **%*n?r (a) whether it is a fact that the warnr %rfanr «m f If *mpr «nr execution of certain public sector vtftw aw fsp ?r nrft projects have been delayed or sus­ pended due to the non-availability of « T T | t * I the promised aid by the scheduled time by the foreign collaborating ( « ) # * $ ! parties/countries; f ^ f€ Writ** Amwtrt C H A lT tA 17, 1W (SAKA) Written. Amtwmrt 3 *$ 5

(b) i f aiv th* tm n m ft tbs pra^wti BV**t at fe c n iu tiM aa M M r iN MtptaSui iitoU&i o i vb id t has bam drieyaa M l the su m the toctjpi 766w Shri 8. C . Wsmsnfa: Will the collaborators involved; and Minister of Industrial D e r M m t aad Company Affair* be pleased to (c) the n u a i f due to which their state: •execution has been delayed by the (a) the industries, small or other­ foreign, parties/countries concerned? wise, which were handicapped due to The Minister of Industrial Develop­ the devaluation of the rupee last year ment and Company Affairs (Shri and how they have been helped to V. A. Ahmed): (a) to (c). Informa­ overcome the handicaps; tion is being collected and will be laid on the Table of the House. (b) which of such industries are still suffering from handicaps and Export Markets how are they being helped; and 765. Dr. Kara] Singh: (c) whether any of such industries Shri N. K. Somanl: have been closed down or are not working to full capacity? Will the Minister of Commerce be pleased to state: The Minister of Industrial Develop* mont and Company Affairs (Shri (a) the reasons why India has not F. A. Ahmed): (a) and (b). Th* been able to expand her export mar­ names of the industries which have kets; generally been effected adversely due (b) the items for which prices are to devaluation is given in the list found not competitive in foreign (Appendix I ) . [Placed in Library, markets; and See No. LT-313|67]. (c) whether the quality and trade But there has not been any appreci­ practices also are factors for our poor able adverse effect on devaluation on performance in exports? Small Scale Industries. Th* Minister of Commerce (Shri 2. Measures taken to counter the Dineah Singh): (a) It is not correct to effect of devaluation are also given in s a y that India has not expanded here (Appendix II) of the list. [Placed in -export market. India's exports during Library. See No. LT-313/67[. the five years of the Third Plan Period (c) No, Sir. (commencing 61- 62) amounted to Us. 3812 crores which was 20 to 25 Mahe&hwari Devi Jute Mills, lTtiipnr per cent, more than the exports during the first two plans. 7 6 7 . Shri S. M. Banexjee: Will th* (lb) Even though devaluation has Minister of Commerce be pleased to -resulted in many of the commodities state: gaining competitive strength, Indian (a) whether the Maheshwari Devi coats of certain items like engineering Jute Mills, Kanpur is being taken over ■goods, chemicals and allied products, by Government; ferro manganese, coal, sugar etc. still remain higher than the international (b) if not, the reasons therefor; prices. (c) whether any investigations have (c) The quality and business prac­ been made into the mis-management tices have certainly bearing on the of the mills; and country’s export trade. About 80 per (d) if so, the result thereof? cent, of Indian exports are now moving •under Quality Control and pre-shJp- The Deputy Minister in the Mtnis- rOent Inspection, which is having a try of Commerce (Shri Shall lQu*eahl): lieafthy effect on our exports. (a) No, Sir. 3457 Written Answers APRIL 7, 1007 Written A nsw ers 345ft (b) Because of the heavy liabilities of the mill. jj* wnrrt <*rit fc ft: % «mr * WfiRRT W R It HTffiVK T^ I (c) An Official Committee investi­ gated early in 1966 the working of JTSt*pnrc It 1 0 0 0 5 1 % $reW the mill, its requirements of finances * n i % nTfa » n w «n% ft,T ^ t and the manner in which the manage­ ment of the mill required to be impro­ *ftr fc 1 ved and strengthened. (n) 1 (d) The Committee had reported that the management would not b« Railway Fare from Fatnhpnr to Chani able to revive and run the company properly and had recommended that 769. Shr| ffnkam Chand Kach- havaiya: Will the Minister of Rail­ the affairs of the company be placed in the hands of a competent and cre­ ways be pleased to refer to the reply dit-worthy alternative management. given to Unstarred Question No. 1721 Discussions were also held on a Pro­ on the 18th November, 1866 and stater posal for leasing out the mill to an­ other party, but unfortunately no (a) the action taken to reduce the agreed workable solution could be double fare which was being charged for the journey from Fatehpur to found. Churu; and

RufhA i w w spt snr % jw ft (b) the time by which it ia likely to be reduced? The Minister of Railways (Shri 768. *ft : WT C. M. Poonacha): (a) and (b) A re­ *igft sraT% I^T ft? : view was made in December, 1B68 . Even with the present Inflation of ( t ) w t * m ^ r r % 100 per cent, the line had not yielded sft^ R nM t ^rnr % Tt ^dVii4T an economic return during 1965-66. The matter will be re-examined in all % 3717 TT ^ ^ m' its aspects and an early decision fc; taken.

(*a r) f? f r T t Accident near Maheji Station jfft snrft % ?rfrrfTW snrT I t 770. Shri nukam Chand Kachhavaiya: eft w r t fsrarfq^ff t t t f t ^ r t Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to refer to the reply given to «llVi TTT TTlft TSrft s? fVJt*T y K l1 Unstarred Question No. 525 on the t t ^ r^enr fc ; * f l x 4th November, 1966 and state: (n ) irf? ^r, ?ft ^ Tsr fit ^ r (a) whether inquiry into the cause* a n *t» n ? . of the railway accident which occur­ red near Maheji Station on the Cen­ «Wt («ft tft® quo 5P T R T ) 1 tral Railway on the 21st September, 1966 has been completed; ( t ) 5 ft I (b) if so, the details thereof; and («r) 'ffr gfrff Tt fwfr (c) the number of persons against

(b) According to the finding of the resulting in much bottleneck in Rail­ enquiry committee, while goods train way traffic; No. DBI-2 Up was approaching Mahe- (b) if so, the nature of their de­ Ji station a loaded wagon marshalled mands; and 21st from the train engine derailed and capsized at kilometre 388/7 due (c) the action taken in this regard? to the breakage of its right trailing Journal which had run hot. As a re­ Hie Minister of Railways (Shri O. sult of crosstrain and resultant dis­ M. Poonacha): (a) No. tortion of track, 8 wagons following (b) and (c ). Do not arise. tt capsized while the next 8 got com­ pletely derailed. Incident at Carriage and Wagon . (c) The accident was due to failure Workshop, of mechanical equipment for which 773. Shri Hukam Chand Kachhavalya: no railway staff was held responsible. Will the Minister of Railways be Collbdo* at BrajrmJ Nagar Station pleased to refer to the reply given to. Unstarred Question No. 1698 on the 771. Shri Hukam Chand Kachavaiya: 18th November, 1966 and state: Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to refer to the reply given to (a) whether the enquiry into the- Unstarred Question No. 3004 on the cause of the incident which took place 2nd December, ,1066 and state: in the Carriage and Wagon Workshop, Lucknow on the 22nd June, 1066 ha* (a) whether the enquiry into the since been completed; causes of collision between the two goods trains at Brajrajnagar Station (b) if so, the details thereof; and has been completed; (c) the extent of loss of life and (b) if so, the details thereof; and property caused thereby? (c) if not, the time likely to be taken The Minister of Railways (Shri O. in this regard? M. Poonacha): (a) There was no accident on 22nd June 1966. The ac­ The Minister of Railways (Shri C. cident in Alambagh (Lucknow) M. Poonacha): (a) Yes. Workshop occurred on 26th October 1966. (b) According to the fiinding of the enquiry committee, the accident was caused by the driver of goods The enquiry has been concludcd. train No. 770 Down disregarding the reception signals at danger and failing (b) An explosion occurred in that to control the train for which suitable pncumatic pipe line, apparently due action is being taken against him. to accumulation of oil and carbonace­ ous matter in the pipe line igniting as (c) Does not arise. as a result of contract with compres­ Strike by Station Masters sed air at high temperature. 772. Shri Hukam Chand Karhhavaiya: (c) 23 persons sustained burns as a Shri Onkw U Berwa: result of flames shooting out of a fur­ nace in the black-smith shop and hot Will the Minister of Railways be blast from the pipe line. Of these 12 pleased to state; were released after first aid and 11 were admitted in the hospital. Out o f (a) whether it is a fact that station these one later succumbed to his In­ Masters had gone on strike In De­ juries: The loss of railway property cember, 1980 to press their demand* la estimated at Rs. 9.420/. 3 4 6 1 Written Answer* AFWtL. 7, 1*01 WrUftm AruMVt '&t*

BWMt W FMWRVI H W W fW MW~ (b) if so, the aurin features (h m > oft 774. Shri Tftriura Math Fandey; Shri D. C. Stanrnt: The MIsMur of Ommeree (Shri Will the Minister of Commerce be (Dhtesh Singh): (a) and (b). t i n pleased to state: State Trading Corporation has stated an agreement with Messrs. Soyus- (a) whether it is a fact that India prom-export, Moscow for the import and the Soviet Government have sig­ of Ammonium Sulphate; Urea and ned an agreement recently for the Muriate of Potash. Details about the supply of Soviet fertilizers to boost value, quantity and quality, delivery up India's agricultural production; and etc. are given below:

Si. Nome of Quantity Quality Delivery Packing Total No- Fertiliser Contractrd. Value Rs. Ammonium 173,000 21% M. Sprean over In bags 6,36,95,600 Sulphate tonnes June-Dcc.'67 of 45 . Kilos net Urea 41 >500 46% N 2nd quarter, In bags of 2,75,65,960 tonnes 67-65000 Tonnes. 36 Kilos 3rd Quarter or 67, 15,000 Tonnes 40 Kilos 4tb Quarter net. 67,20,c* o Ton­ nes with the sellers having a right to advance shipments. Muriate 30,000 6o%KzO Spread over June- Delivery 82.55 lalchs ofPotash tonnes minimum Decembei, 1967 to be (F.O.B.) made in bulk. Handloom Trade Delegation Handlooms, Government of Andhra Pradesh. 775. Shri S. K. Sambandhan: Will the Minister of Commerce be pleased 2. Shri V. V. Raman, Export Pro* to state: motion Officer, All India Handloom Fabrics Coopera­ (a) whether any Handloom Trade tive Society Ltd., Bombay. •Delegation was sent to the Far Bast including Australia; and 3. Shri D. N. Saraf, General Ma­ nager, Handicrafts and Hand­ (b) if so, whether any handloom looms Exports Corporation of ■exporter from Madras State was in­ India, New Delhi. cluded in the Delegation? 4. Shri M. S. A. Majid, Member The Deputy Minister in the Minis­ Committee of Administration, try of Commerce (Shri Shall Handloom Export Promotion Xtureshi): (a) A five man delegation Council, Madras. led by Shri T. N. Lakshminarayanan, Secretary, Department of Industries, (b) Yes, Sir; Shri M.S.A, Majid. Government of Madras visited Austra­ lia; Indonesia and Malaysia between Handicrafts and Handloom Export U rd January, and llth February 1967. Organisation, Madras The delegation, besides the leader, 776. Shri S. K. Sambandhan: Win •consisted of the following: the Minister of Commeree be pleased 1. Shri V. K. Dar, Director of to state: Jj|0i3 VMM* AatoMt* CHA£E8A 17, 18 ® (SAKA) WWttew Atttwers 3464

<*) th* Will «MlMUnwt and I M t S s l C m ] IkeWrtepsMa* On i m m - other overhead A u g H ter running *he Handicrafts and Bwdloom Sxport Orpnlztttoa, M iA n i and its branches 7?*. Dr. F. MaaAal: Jwduding the overseas branches, if Shift S. C. flsmanls owjr; W^l the Minister of Steel, Mines ant (b) the total exports of (i) hand- Met*!* be pleased to state: loom goods and (ii) handicrafts dur­ ing the years 1985 and 1966; and (a) thq details of the working re­ sults of the National Coal Develop­ (c) the amount of loss or profit ment Corporation collieries during •during the said period? 1965-83 as compared with those of the previous years; The Deputy Minister in the Minis­ try of Commerce (Shri Shall Qureshi): (a) to (c): The reference presumably (b) the average cost of production is to Handicrafts and Handlooms Ex- and overage selling price of coal In "port. Vn&Yfc, the collieries;, and which has a branch office in Madras and a regional office at Calcutta besi­ (e) the proposals to eliminate or des three foreign offices in New York, reduce the losses, if any, or to increase Montreal and Hamburg. the profits? A statement giving information in Ttie Minister of State in the Minis­ respect of parts (a) to (c) is laid on try of Steel, Mines and Metals (Shri the Table of the House. [Placed in P. C. Sethi): (a) During the year the Library. See No. LT-314|67]. 1968-66, the Corporation ’ earned pro­ fit of Rs. 6,76,392 as against the loss Cotton Spinning; Mills of Its. 1.7 crores in 1964-66. The total production during the year 1965-68 177. Shri S. K. Sambandhaa: Will was 9.65 million tonnes as against the Minister of Commerce be pleased 8.24 million tonnes in 1964-65. Further to state: details are available in the Annual (a) the number of cotton spinning Report of National Coal Development mills that were proposed to be set up Corporation for 1965-66 laid on the in the Private Sector during the Third Table of the House on 29-3-1967. Five Year Plan in Madras State; and (p) National Coal Development (b) the number of spinning mills Corporation are running a large num­ (i) which have commenced produc­ ber of revenue collieries and cost of tion; (ii) which are still under con­ production varies from unit to unit. It struction; and (ili) which have not will not be in the public Interest to yet commenced the construction? divulge the average cost of produc­ tion • The average selling price, how­ The Minister of Commerce (Shri ever. «f coal produced by the Corpora­ 'Mnesb Singh): (a) and (b). 12 licen­ tion during the year 1985-66 w a s ces were granted for setting up new Rs. 25.29 per tonne. ■cotton spinning mills in the private sector during the Third Five Year (C) As a result of the following re­ Plan in Madras State. No spinning m edial measures taken by the Cor­ mill covered by these licences has so poration, the Corporation have been far gone into production. However, able to increase its output as well as effective steps for setting up the to e&rn profit during the year 1965-60: mills have been taken in respect of 1. Special sales drive. 10 licences. In respect of the remain­ ing 2 licences, no steps have been 2 . Restriction of production to taken. sales potentiality. 3 4 6 5 W ritten A nsw ers APRIL. 7, 1067 Written Ansu}«rs 3 4 6 6 -

3. Austerity and economic measur­ (d) whether M/s. Ashoka Marketing^ es to reduce expenditure, Ltd., have shown any credit for tho wherever possible. claim they have on the supply of jute goods for Rs. 2,80,000 in their Balance 4. Postponement of civil works Sheet; and which are capable of being deferred. (e) whether any inquiry has been ordered into the affairs of M/s, Ashoka. 5. Close scrutiny of the quantum Marketing, Ltd.? of holding of stores and spare parts with a veiw to dispose The Minister of Industrial Develop­ of surpluses not required. ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A .. Ahmed): (a) Yes, Sir. The auditors Friesh intake is also regulat­ for 1964-65 and 1965-66 have drawn, ed by strict adoption of in­ the attention of the shareholders to- ventory control procedure. the write-off of Rs. 21,77,448 and: Rs. 21,57,769 respectively, for these Recovering Sulphur from Steel years. Plants (b) In March, 1965 the Company 779. Dr. P. Mondal: reported to the Reserve Bank of Indian Shii S. C. Samanta: that payment of their bills amount­ Will the Minister of Steel, Min«s ing of $1,215,859 against their ex- and Metals be pleased to state: ports of jute carpet backing cloth was withheld by their American buyers on (a) whether Government have com­ the plea that the uutimate buyers had pleted the study of the prospects of found certain goods, for which they recovering sulphur from steel plants had alreardy made payment, defective and Assam coal; and and that .they had to suffer a loss of $733,758. The matter seems to have (b) if so, the details of the find­ been referred to an arbitrator. ings? The Minister of Steel In the Minis­ (c) Government have no informa­ try of Steel, Mines and Metals (Shri tion to that effect. M/s. H. P. Khandel- P. C. Sethi): (a) No, Sir. wal and Co. were the auditors for the year 1964-65 and not M/s. Singhi & (b) Does not arise. Co. Shri R. Singhi with some others became partners of M/s. H. P. Khan- M/s. Ashoka Marketinn, Limited delwal & Co. after Shri Khandelwal’s 780. Shri Madhu Limaye: Will the denth. The firm was carrying on its Minister of Industrial Development business under the old name. From and Company Affairs be pleased to the records it nppeai's that the Com­ state: pany in a general meeting appointed M/s. Gutgutia & Co., for the year (a) whether Government’s atten­ 1965-66. Consequent on a change in tion has been drawn to the Balance the constitution of the firm of audi­ Sheet for the year 1963-68 of M|s. tors, M/s. Gutgutia & Co., tlie Board Ashoka Marketing, Limited and the of Directors of the Company appoint­ remarks passed by the Auditors on ed M/s. K. N. Gutgutia & Co. as audi­ the foreign buyers’ claims for the tors for the year in the casual vacancy supply of jute goods; caused. (b) whether permission of the Re­ (d) No, Sir. The Company appears serve Bank of India has been sought to have filed a suit for the recovery for adjusting these claims; of a claim of that amount. (c) whether it is a fsfct that the Auditors of this Company, M/s. Singhi (e) In April, 1963, an investigation and Co., have protested against this was ordered under Section 237(b) and adjustment and halve resigned; 249(1) (a) of the Companies A ct 3 4 6 7 W ritten Answ ers CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SA K A ) W ritten Answers 3 468

There has been no progress of the in­ equipment and other materials from vestigation due to pendency of some the USSR were finalised in May, 1966, writ petition and appeals in the Cal- and lists of equipment and materials ■'CUtta High Court. to be procured indigenously have been determined. About 10,115 tonnes of equipment, pipes etc. have so far been Price of Steel received from the U.S.S.R. Working 781. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the drawing are also being received for Minister of Commerce be pleased to various units of the plant. Contracts -.state: for the civil engineering and the stru­ ctural steelwork have been awarded (a) whether the request of tho In­ by Messrs. Bokaro Steel Ltd. to Mes­ dustry for making steel available at srs. Hindustan Steelworks Construc­ "world prices has beon considered; tion Ltd. The total expenditure incurrred on the project upto the (b) if go, the result thereof; and end of March 1967, was Rs. 37.49 cror­ es. (c) the steps taken in this direction? (b) The first blast furnace is likely The Minister of Commerce (Shri to go into production by the beginning Dinesh Singh): (a) and (c). For Pro­ of 1970, and the entire plant is sche­ duction of engineering goods for ex­ duled to be commissioned by the end port, Government have agreed in prin­ of the first quarter of 1971. ciple to make indigenous iron and •steel available at prices based on the ■six-monthly average of prices pub­ Waste Mica lished in the London Metal Bulletin Steps for implementing this decision *re being worked out. 783. Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: Shri Dhuleshwar Meena:

Bokaro Steel Plant Will the Minister of Steel, Mines 782. Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: an^i Metals be pleased to state: Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: (a) the quantity of mica wasted in Shri s. Supakar: India at present and its percentage to Will the Minister of Steel, Mines the total mica mined; sand Metals be pleased to state: (b) whether such waste mica is (a) the progress made so far and being utilised in any manner; and "the total expenditure incurred in the construction of Bokaro Steel Plant; (c) if so, the details thereof? *nd (b) the approximate date by which The Minister of Steel, Mines and it is likely to go into production? Metals (Dr. Chenna Reddy): (a) No The Minister of Steel, Mines and precise information is available re­ Metals (Dr. Chenna Reddy): (a) garding the quantity of mica wasted About 91 per cent of the earthwork in the country. It is. however, estima­ involved in the site preparation and ted that about 20,000 to 25,000 tonnes D3 per cent of the earthwork for the of mica waste or mica scrap are gene­ ■construction siding has been comple­ rated per annum while processing ted. About 93 per cent of the work crude mica into mica products like has been completed on the construc­ mica sheets. The precentage of mica tion of the Garga dam which will sup­ waste to the total mica mined vary ply water for construction as well as widely and usually it is between 60 to drinking water for the township. 90. Contracts for the supply at plant, (b) Yes Sir. 3 4 * 9 W fttta n A w w m A7VUL. 7. 1*87 W r i t t t n « tiw > n ;

(a) tiw u n tw and wwwt at the Im b O n Ftaas available tn M b A m to whom licences have been l » w W or are proposed to be granted 199. Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: for manufacturing T.V. seta; Shri Dhalesbwar Meeaa: Shri Khagapathi Pradhani: (b) whether the television sets with Shri Hlrjl Bhai: remote control have also been design, •d la India; and Will the Minister of Steel, Mines and Metals be pleased to state: (c) if so, where? (a) the total quantity of iron-ore- fines at present available in India; Hte Minister of Industrial Develop­ arid ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A. Ahmed): (a) Letters of intent have (b) the manner in which Govern­ been issued to two Arms viz., MJs. ment propose to utilise them? J. K. Rayon Ltd., Kanpur and M|s. Telerad Private Ltd., Bombay for the The Minister of State In the Ministry manufacture of Television Receivers of Steel, Min eg and Metals (Shri P.. with an annual capacity of 10,000 sets C. Sethi): (a) Detailed assessment of each. A third proposal for the manu­ the total quantities of Iron ore flnes facture of 5,000 sets per annum each (which include both the natural flnes by two consortia of Small-scale units like blue dust underlying the haema­ is also under consideration of the tite iron ore deposits and the flnes Government. All these schemes envi­ produced during the process of mining, sage the utilisation of indigenous particularly mechanised mining of know-how developed by the Central lump ore) available in the country Electronic Engineering Research Ins­ has not so far been made. (For a titute, Palani. particular range of deposit in Goa, a preliminary assessment was made by (b) No, Sir. the Indian Bureau of Mines in 1902-63- (c) Does not arise. according to which the inferred re­ serves of iron ore fines in Goa are of the order Of 250 million tonnes). Tremors in Anantnag (Kashmir) (b) Iron ore flnes can be utilised ^88. Shri Vishwa Nath Fandey: Will for steel production after suitable ag­ the Minister of Steel, Mines and glomeration (subject to technical fea­ Metals be pleased to state: sibility and overall economic conside­ ration.) For the utilisation of iron ore (a) whether it is a fact that Gov­ fines, sintering plants have already ernment have constituted a team of been put up at the steol plants at Jam­ experts to visit the Anantnag District shedpur, Bhilai, Bhadravati and Rour- in Kashmir which received as many kela. A sintering plant is also being as thirty five tremors during the installed at the Durgapur Steel Plant. month of February, 1967 and to find Sintering of iron ore fines is also con­ out the causes of the tremors; and templated for the proposed Bokaro fb) if so, the names of the experts? Steel Plant. Feasibility studies aro being undertaken for the pelletisation The Minister of Steel, Mfai«. and of iron ore fines in Baiiadila (Madhya Metals (Dr. Chenna Reddy): (a) and Pradesh), Kudermukh and Bellary- (h). Yes Sir. A team of two officers Hospet (Mysore). A pelletisation (Sarvashri G. L. Wakhaloo and S. P. plant with a capacity of O'5 million Rastogi) of the Geological Survey of tonnes per annum hag been set up by India have been deputed to a a private firm in Goa. Approval has. detailed study of the nature and cause been given to the project report of <*f the recent earth tremors in Anant­ another private firm of Goa for the nag district, Kashmir, setting up of a pelletisation plant with- 34 73 Written Answer* A P R IL 7, Wfl Written Ansioen 3474 a ca pacity of 1.5 million tonnes. The 1966 and a slight fall in exports -dur­ Project Report submitted by a third ing 19851 production and export c t firm in Goa for the setting up of a salt remained steadily on the increase pelletisation plant is under considera­ during 1962 to 1966. tion. A letter of intent has been issued to a firm in Orissa to enable it to take suitable steps to set up a simi­ (to) The shortfall in production dur­ lar pelletisation plant in Orissa. ing 1966 was due to the fact that large stocks of salt had accumulated at the various salt works and therefore, the Allocation of Spindles to Textile works <>n the West Coast and Inland Mills areas in Gujarat State voluntarily cut down production. Further, the 790. Shri Khagapathi Pradhani' consumption by chemical industries Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: also did not come up to the anticipa­ ■Shri Dhuieshwar Meena: ted level. Shri Hlrji Bhal: As for shortfall in exports, Japan Will the Minister of Commerce be which is the main export market for ' pleased to state: Indian salt, was rather reluctant to place ships at the concerned ports in (a) whether the allocation of spirv Gujarat and pressed for diversion of ■ dies to the texti'e mills in the var­ ious States will be increased during ships being loaded there during the latter part of 1965, when the hostili­ 1967-68; and ties broke out between India and (b) if so, the details thereof? Pakistan. The Minister of Commerce (Shri (c) The State Trading Corporation 'Dinesh Singh): (a) and Ob). The cot­ and Basic Chemicals, Pharmaceuticals ton textile industry has recently been and Soaps Export Promotion Council, ■ delicensed in so far as the total spinn­ are endeavouring not only to increase ing capacity of a unit does not exceed our exports to traditional markets but 26,000 spindles. In view of this, the are also to find new export markets in ■question of allocation of additional consultation with our Embassies in the spindles to the ‘textile mills in the interested foreign countries. various States during 1967-68 does not arise. Production of Manganese and Iron Ore Production and Export of Salt 792. Shri Khagapathi Pradhani: 791. Shri Khagapathi Pradhani: Shri Unmnchanrira Ulaka: Shri Ramachandra Claka: ■Shri Dhuieshwar Meena: Shri Dhuieshwar Meena: Shri Hirji Bhai: Shri Hlrji Bhal: Will the Minister of Commerce he Will the Minister of Steel, Mines ■pleased to state: and Metals be pleased to state: (a) whether the production as v/cli (a) whether it is a fact that the as the export of salt has gone dov/n; production in manganese and iron-ore (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and mines in Orissa and has gone down; (c) the steps taken in this regard? The M ahler of Commerce (Shri (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and Diiush Singh): (a) No, Sir, except for a slight fall in production during (c) the steps taken in this regard? 4 7 5 W ritten Aftimn CHAfflU 17, 1889 (SAKA) Written Answer* 3 4 7 6

The MnM ar e t State Ih the Minis- duction of iron are and a n d n m try e t Steel, Mines an* Metals (Staff ore has been on the increase during P. C. M M ): (a) No, Sir. The pro- the last few years, aa shown below:

<964 >965 >966 (in tonnes) Manganese Iron Ore Mangnese Iron Ore Manganese Iron Or*

Bihar 402,524 3,658,356 31,661 4,262,048 35»<»5 5,365,818 Orlsss 4°2>S25 5>7»»>49 459,012 6,451,203 509,190 6,721,785

(b) and '(c). Do not arise. The Minister of Industrial Develop­ ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A Industrial Co-operative Societies In Ahmed): (a) Rs. 3.10 lakhs. Orissa (b) The amount spent by the Board 793. Shri Dhnleshwar Meena: upto 28-2-1907 is as under:— Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: (i) Administrative Expenditure. Shri Khagapathl Pradhanl: Rs. 1,15,131.35 Shri Hirji Bhai: (ii) Technical Aid and Evaluation Will the Minister o'f Indartrlal of inventions etc. Development and Company Affairs be Rs. 1,03,388.59 pleased to state the number of Indus­ (iii) Grants-in-aid trial Co-operative Societies function­ Rs. 77,453.00 ing in Orissa as on the 31st Decem­ Total Rs 2,95,972.94 ber, 1906 and their production capa­ cities? Ambar Charkha Training Courses In Orissa Hie Minister of Industrial Develop­ ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A. 795. Shri Dhnleshwar Meena: Ahmed): The information is being Shri Ramachandrs Ulaka: collected from the State Government Shri Khagapathl Pradhanl: and will be laid on the Table of the Shri Hirji Bhai: House. Will the Minister of Commerce be pleased to state: invention Promotion Board (a) the number of Ambar Charkha 794. Shri Dhnleshwar Meena: Training Courses conducted in Orissa Shri Kamachandrs tJlaka: during December, 1900; and Shri Khagapathl Pradhanl: Shri Hlrfi Bhai: (b) the number of trainees who took part and the total expenditure Will the Minister of Industrial incurred thereon during the same Development and Company Affairs be period? pleased to state: The Deputy Minister in the Ministry (a) the amount of grant sanctioned of commerce (Shri 8haJi Qnreahl)i in 1980-07 for the Invention Promo­ (a) 20. tion Board; and (b) 359 trainees took part in the (b) the total amount spent during training course and an expenditure at the same perlod and the nature of ex­ Rs. 29,410 was incurred on the training penditure? courses. ISO (Ai) LSD—4. 3 4 7 7 Written Anttvers A P R IL 7, 1967 W ritten 3 4 7 9

Import of flndteM CM h ( w ) vtt *<<*!< t t f i r m m TM. Shri Dlwlediir«r Meena: fssRli «tt jfipilf T t Shri RamaChandra Ulaka* Shri Khagapathi Fradhant: wrnr sv Tt $ ; iflr Shri Hlrjt Bhai: (»r) arf* ?ft $ st jt ^ Will the Minister of Commerce be T*TTTn?r| ? pleased to state: (a) the amount of foreign exchance ■pent on the import of Sanforised (eff ftto tpro g u m ) t cloth during 1966; ( t ) * t f t I (b) whether the Indigenous decolo­ rised cloth can meet the demand of («r) flVc (n ) aft srff i the Imported cloth; and *MfCt w h Vrfk wwr FTRt 4 tfhwr k w i w 5 w r itt ^ t i Ttzr if «n

Import m t CMch Am bUt «b« Industries near Paradip P v t ■qatemeoft 84KB. Shri Chlntaaaant Panigrahl: W9. Shri Onkar Lai Bsrwm: Will Will the Minister of Industrial the Minister of Commerce be pleased Development and Company Affairs bo to state: pleased to state: (a) whether it is a fact that Ihe (a) whether there have been pro­ import of clutch assembly and equip­ posals to set up some major indus­ ment from U.S.A. has been banned; tries near Paradip Port; and (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and (b) if so, the main features thereof? (c) whether India has become self- sufficient in the manufacture of the Th* Minister of Industrial Develop­ above said equipment? ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A. Ahmed): (a) and (b). The infor­ H u Minister of Commerce (Shri mation is being collected and will b f laid on the Table of the House in due Dfaksah Singh): (a) No, Sir. course. (b) and (c). The import of clutch assembly and equipment is permitted Ore Deposits in Orissa to establish importers against conso­ lidated quota licence for motor vehicle 80S. Shri Chintaniaill Panlgrahl: parts from all sources including Will the Minister of Steel, Mines and U.S.A The import of this item is Metals be pleased to state: however not covered under U.S. Aid (a) whether the scheme for mining loan to protect the indigenous indus­ of ore deposits in the Malangtoli try from unrestricted imports. Block in Orissa and their export has been finalised; Issue of sew Standards for (b) if so, the details thereof; and Commodities (c) the estimate of deposits of the ore in the said Block? M l. Shri Onkar Lai Berwa: Will the Minister of Industrial Development The Minister of State la the Minis­ and Company Affairs be pleased to try of Steel, Mines and Metals (Shri state: P. C. Sethi): (a) No, Sir. (a) how many new standards were (b) Does not arise. issued by the I.S.I. during 1966-67; (c) The reserves of ore in the (b) the main commodities for block have been proved to be of the which these were issued; order of 163 million tonnes.

(c) the number of commodities for Manufacture of Small Cam which the standards were refused; and 804. Shri C. C. Desai: Shri B. Barua: (d) how many Letters of Intent Shri Onkar Lai Berwa: were issued during the same period? Will the Minister of Industrial Development and Company Affairs fa* The Minister of Industrial Develop­ pleased to state: ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A Ahmed): (a) to (d ). A statement (a) whether any decision has been giving - the required information is taken for the manufacture of small laid rn w Table of the House. [Placed car in the country with foreign col­ In the L ib r a r y . See Ho. LT-I15|67J. laboration; and 3 4 b W ritten A m tm n APRIL. T, 1887 W ftttm i t m w i 3 4 8 3

(b) it so, tbs details thereof? North-Best Frontier Railway pm am Depot, (M h a tl The Minister of Industrial Deve- leptnenl and Company Affairs (Shri 807. Shri Dhlreewar Kalita: Will the V. A. Abated): (a) No. Minister of Railways be pleased to state: (b) Does not arise. (a) whether there is a proposal to shift the North-East Frontier Rail* Carro Impounded by Pakistan way Forms Depot from Gauhatl (Assam) to New Jalpaiguri as repor­ SOS. Shri C. C. Desal: Will the ted in the 'Assam Tribune' on the 7th Minister of Commerce be pleased to January, 1967; ■tate: (b) if so, the reasons therefor; (a) whether any negotiations have recently been held with Pakistan to (c) whether the employees of the secure release of the cargo and other North-East Frontier Railway Forms property impounded by Pakistan Depot have represented to the Hall­ during the 1965 conflict between the way Board; and two countries; and (d) if so, the nature of their de­ (b) if so. the outcome thereof? mands and Government’s reaction thereto? The Minister of Commerce (Shri Dinesh Singh): (a) No, Sir. The Minister of Railways (Shri C. M. Poonacha): (a) Yes. (b) Does not arise. (b) Due to administrative reasons which were expected to result in Bogie from Jaynagar to Palesa Ghat saving and lead to greater efficiency. 806. Shri Shiva Chandra Jha: Will (c> The employees have submitted the Minister of Railways be pleased e Memorandum to the Local Autho­ to state: rities and have also sent a telegram to the Railway Board. (a) whether a bogie which used to be attached to the evening trains for (d) Their demands are for the Paleza ghat from Jaynagar and vice maintenance of status quo. The versa, has now been discontinued; Government are examining a modi­ fied proposal to stock books, forms (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and and stationery at both the Depots at (c) whether Government propose Gauhati as well as at New Jalpai­ to make arrangements for providing guri. sleeper coaches between Jaynagar and Paleza ghat for the night journey? Stenographers la Railways y

The Minister of Railways (Shri 808. Shri Yashpal Singh: Will the C. M. Poonacha): (a) and (b). On Minister of Railways be pleased to account of its poor patronage, the state: through service composite coach run­ (a) the proportion in which the ning between Jaynagar and Paleza- posts of Stenographers in various ghat was discontinued in the time grades on the Railways were distri­ table which came into force from 1st buted prior to the issue of Govern­ October, 1965. ment’s orders dated the 22nd Jan­ (c) There is no proposal to provide uary and 19th April, 186S; a sleeper coach between Jaynagar (b) the nature of the demand of the end Palezaghat. labour organisation on behalf of 3 4 8 } Written im a m CBAtOUL IT, IMS (SAKA) Written Answers 3484

graphersead to what orttat Govern­ (b) if so, which of the two Unas are ment's orders mentioned in Part (a) being undertaken and when the con­ above provide far improvement in the struction work is likely to start? higher grades by indicating the num­ ber of po*ts In the various grades; The Minister of Railways (Shri (c) whether there has been unifor­ C. M. Poonacha): (a) Not yet. Pre­ mity in the increase in the number of liminary Engineering and Traffic Posts in higher grades on all Zonal surveys t o the Cuttack-Paradeep rail Railways as a result of the implemen­ link are in progress. tation of the above mentioned orders; (b) Does not arise. and (d) if not, the reasons therefor? Electric and Diesel Locomotives aa The Minister of Railways (Shri Eastern and S. E. Railways C. ML Poonacha): (a) to (d). The 811. Shri A. K. Gopalan: information is being collected from Shri Jyottrmoy Basu: the Railways and will be laid on the Table of the Sabha in due course. Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to state: State-owned Industries fat Mysore (a) the number of electric and diesel locomotives in use during 1988 on the 809. shri K. Lakkappa: Will the Eastern and South-Eastern Railways; Minister of Industrial Development and Company Affairs be pleased to (b) whether the quantity of coal state: consumption has gone down on these Railways since the introduction of (a) whether it has come to the electrification and dieselization; and notice of G overnm ent that Mysore Government are negotiating with (c) if so, the extent of reduction in _ Birlas to sell away some of the State- coal consumption during the last five owned Industries; and yean? fb) if so, whether it is not in viola­ The Minister of Railways (Shri tion of the accepted policy o f the C. M. Poonacha): (a) and (c). A Central Government? statement showing the information is laid on the Table of the House. The Minister of Industrial Deve­ [Placed in the Library. S ee No. LT- lopment and Company Affairs (Shri 316|17], r. A. Ahmed): (a) No, Sir. (b) Yes. (b) Does not arise. Monopolies Enquiry C om m W a

Railway Lina between Cuttack and 812. Shri S. Snpakar: Will the Paxadeep Minister of Industrial Development and Company Affairs be pleased to 818. Shri Sureadra Nath Dwlvedy: state: Will the Minister of Hallways be pleased to refer to the reply given (a) the number of recommendations to Unstarred Question No. 590 on the of the Monopolies Enqiuxy Commis­ 4th November, 1988 and state: sion that have been implemented so far; and (a) whether the plana have been finalised for a railway line between (b) when the legislation suggested Cuttack and Paradeep . or Joining by the Commission la likely to be Psradeep with the Dalteri mines; and introduced? £48 5 WHtUm Amwm APRIL T. M87 Written Answer*

A t MhWw of B M W 9m - first week of January, 1967 as "posa- I W iM t «ad Company Affairs (Shrt pared to the previous month, bi# F. A. Ahmed ); (a) and (b). A resolu­ this is largely due to increased pro-, tion dated the 8th September, 1966 duction coupled with a shortfall in outlining the decisions of the Gov. empty wagon supply position which eminent on the recommendations is considered to be a temporary made by the Monopolies Inquiry phase. Commission was laid on the Table of the House on the 6th September, 1966. Follow-up action contemplated Export Trade on the recommendations is indicated in paras S to 7 of the resolution. The Bill H i Shri Khagapathi Pradhanl: for setting up a permanent Statutory Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: Commission to be known as the Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Shri Heerjl Bhai: Practices Commission referred to in Will the Minister of Commerce be paras 5 and of the Resolution is 6 pleased to state: likely to be ready tor Introduction in Parliament by the end of this (a) whether the proposal of the year. Copies of the Resolution refer­ Shipping Corporation of India to red to above have been forwarded to develop export trade during tho the concerned Ministries/Departments Fourth Plan period has since been for implementing the decisions con­ considered; and tained in sub-paras (i) to (iii) of para 7 of the same. Implementation (b) if so, the main features thereof? of these decisions and the decision contained in sub-para (iv) thereof The Minister of Commerce (Shri is of a continuing nature and is Dinesh Singh): (a) and (b). The being given effect to as and when a Ministry of Commerce has not particular case warrants it. received any such proposal but a proposal for expansion of tonnage by Pit Head Stacks held by Coal Mines the Shiplpng Corporation of India is under consideration of the Ministry SIS. Shri Jyotirmoy Basa: of Transport. Shri A. K. Gopalan: Shri C. K. Chakrapanl: Manufacture of Scooter* and Will the Minister of Steel, Mines Anto-cycles and Metals be pleased to state: >15. Shri Khagapathi Pradhanl: (a) the total quantity of pit head Shri Ramachandra IT aka: stocks held by coal mines during the Shri Dhuleshwar Meena: first week of January, 1967; Shri Heerji Bhai: (b) whether Government consider the stock position to be abnormal; Will the Minister of Industrial and Development and Company Affairs be Pleased to refer to the reply given to (c) if so, the causes of this abnor­ Starred Question No. 631 on the 2nd mal stock position and the remedies December, 1966 and state: proposed? (a) whether the applications for the manufacture of Scooters and auto­ The Minister of State In the Minis­ cycles which were found suitable in try of Steel, Mines and Metals ( 8hrl P. C. Sethi): (a) 5.43 million tonnes. the preliminary screening have since b«en finally considered; and fbl and ( c ) . There has been whom (b) if so, the decision taken thero- increase in pithead stocks during the «i»? ' ' 3 O T Wrftttft Aaneera CHATCRA IT, 1880 (SAKA) Written Awwtn 3 4 8 8

A * MWhto of InflnMal Develep- (a) whether the question o f the re­ ■ M t n t O m p w y Affairs (Shri organisation of the National Coal V. A. Ahmed): (a) and (b). The Development Corporation . has since applications for the manufacture beei> examined; and mt Autocyclt* hava been finally considered and letters' of intent, (ty) if so, the results thereof? valid for a period of one year each, have been issued to live parties, Xj»e Minister of State In the Minis­ for a capacity of 50,000 each per try of Steel, Mines and Metals (Shri year. Further consideration of the p. <7. Sethi): (a) and (b). No final applications for the manufacture of view has yet been taken by Govern­ scooters has however been deferred ment on the reorganisation of the for the present It is proposed to National Coal Development Corpo­ watch the progress and performance ration. The matter is being examin­ of ths existing units in the context ed An consu tation with the newly of the assistance afforded to them appointed Chairman-cum-Managing under th» liberalised import policy, of. the. N.CDC. for components and raw materials before, taking a final view on the question of licensing of additional Closure of Textile Mills units in the field. 818. Shri S. R. Dauant: Will the Forged Railway Tickets Minister of Commerce be pleased to state: *16. Shri Khagapathl Pradhani; Sbri Ramachandra tHaka: (*) the effect of the closure of the Shri Dhuieshwar Meena: Shri Heerji Bhal: textile mills for one extra day la a M,cek since December, 1866; Will the Minister of Railways be pleased to rerer to the reply given (b) the adverse effect thereof on to Starred Question No. 637 on the (1) the working of the textile m&ls 2nd December, 1966 regarding the and (il) the profitability of the tex­ •ale of forged Railway tickets and tile mills; and state: fc) the loss o f revenue through (a ) whether the investigations have excise duty, income-tax and sales tax since been completed; and to the nation and the Public Ex­ chequer respectively? (b) if so, the result thereof? The Minister of Railways (Shri •fhe Deputy Minister In the Minis­ C. M. Poonacha): (a) The investiga­ t r y o f Commerce (Shri Shall QnreShl): tion of the case is still in progress. (a) There has been a saving of about 75,000 bales per month in the (b) Does not arise. consumption of cotton by mills as a result of the extra weekly holiday. Reorganisation of the National Coal Development Corporation (b) The cost of production is re* ported to have gone up by about 4ft •17. Shn Heerji Bhal: per cent. As 60 per cent of the mill Shri Ramachandra Ulaka: production is ou'side statutory price Shri Dhuieshwar Meena: control, there may be no adverse Shri Khagapathi Pradhani: effects on the over all profitability W01 the Minister of Steel, MHms of the mills. *nd Metals be pleased to refer to the W rfl given to Starred Question (c) The information is being col­ Mo. SIS on the SSth November, lie* lected and will be laid on the Tabl* and state: of the House. | 49 9 Written Amimi ApB U> 1 , U B W rit*** Acnsmmrs

*frc wnm M l {wm south MO systems. The Bangalore- Salem line was.considered a s a bwtiicr b i t ) I t tfhr I t t w r i alternative for this purpose and ita construction has been taken up. s i « . " f t *13 tm vffevft: «prr W «rtV *?n% *ft p n v o t ftp : Doubling of Railway U a » froaa Pro da to JaUzpet ( v ) WT5TTT?! T fWIH 821. Shri Dhandapani: Will the % ftfr tSW *©»TC (*TW ^Ht) Minister of Railways be pleased to v t ixtrit z>v$mF, swr «m - state: WRT 4+*W % sffPT (a) whether there is any proposal ««W T* ftnn TT Xft t J *fVT to have do6ble railway lines between Erode and Jalaipet on the Southern (w ) *rfi? ?fr, ?fV vrr «it fi*

The MWatar «c *aitwa*a («ul H it # x p f y m i ) 1 O. »L YftMaiflka): (a) No such pro­ posal is under consideration of tho ( v ) w »rf «nr ftfft-agrft R ilh n j B ond at present. mfwff % ^nsFMnpi wrr finrc«r w (b) and (e). Do not arise. sw rrfc :— Shifting of M l m j Loeo Shod, C o t a M m « r ^R T5r-s *n r «pfcmr S t . shri Dhandapani: Will tho 1 9 4 7 if Minister of Railways be pleased to Itate: nnftniT-fiw 3’-3S” 4- 35" (a) whether representations have Prg-«nf%iTT 3’-2 2” 4- 25" been received from the citizens of Coimbatore to shift the Railway Loco nrfirar-ftm y Shed. Coimbatore as the same is at TOI 10 ’- 4 0 " 1 o’- s " present within 100 yards from the General Hospital Coimbatore; and 1 1 '- 5 *' 1 0 - 1 5 " (b) whether the Loco Shed, is likely to be shifted to any other place and 7 - 1 3 “ 6 - 3 0 " if so, where and when? ftprjft-wnfsprc 6 - 5 5” 6- 45” The Minister of Railways (Shri C. M. Poonacha): (a) Yes. («r) 1947 if f1? 3RTT% ^ f l T 2 .7 6 2. 37 lilal ^ l

ftr: (» [) a ft i (v) *s*r if mfanrt It ftp*, Stoppage of Trains at City utRptt It *>*ft «ftr nrfinrt It 825. Shri 8 w aj Bhan: WU1 th» % jft* Tft ihr m vff «rc Minister of Railways be pleased to state: W Rfttffarrnr^ff lit 1947 if flrcrcT

w r *it «f t H*nr (a) whether it is a fact that tho Kashmir Mail, Frontier Mail, tri­ W S f | j weekly Deluxe and some other impor­ tant trains do not stop at Ambala City (

(n) w ironr «r frwr vn Tho Minister of Railways ( M C. M. PoasaohaX (a) and (b). Jbceept fc* tut «m*ff % ** tfte* >J|32 Frontier Malls, S3IM Kashmir ♦ * huft fra* «r | ? Mails, and trl waolrty A|8 ftrjrsss—, |4 « 3 Writtm Awwm JMAfe* . M i . all Mall/Express and Passenger train* are scheduled to stop at Amhala City Station, adequately catering to the needs of passengers 837. tnr

826. Shri Snraj Bhan: Will the ( « ) TT* % fafr f a htttA Minister of Railways be pleased to Tt fvcpft fWW ^ *1 state: faWTC

(a) the number of casualties on the (IWlTw fiww wr wm wirf Railway crossing at Jagadhri till the 3RT WJlfST K (b) the steps taken to construct an ^ if overbridge there to avoid such mishaps «w < Tt TJf *fV qfk*fhpn Fnfnr and facilitate the traffic in the biggest tt mwii ^ i Industrial centre of the district? i f T TH T t K 4 > K ®TT 'Jflfcw Ti The Minister of Railways (Shri ITTT FTTpRT TT% If fTflY ift C. M. Poonacha): (a) There has been srearar fr *** « w < Tt Ttf no reported casualty on the level ^ i crossing gate at Jagadhri either on account of trespassing or due to col­ (w ) snw: ^fhff Tt fafirer lision between road vehicles and trains in the recent years. f a t f w * f iq t P i» f a r t P m , vhftfhv farm t o »nftr % sttt f?refar (b) The Railways are prepared to ft a m ft | i sprf offffcr if construct road over/under bridges in »rfe Ttf Wlfid ftniT 3TRTT I !fr replacement of any of the existing busy level crossings provided the fareffer sn^r t t ^T f a * * 5 schemes are sponsored by the State d v r ^ h r t t f lv s T ^ 1 Government and provided the State Government or the Road authority agree to bear their share of the cost. ftwft «ftr qtproft % 4hv

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fWTqwr»itt»T«iWTt» swww earned (year-wise) through th* ex­ port of Cardamom during tbe last five ffT trn r i [ifW itm qw<* tft®- years; and 318/67] (b) the steps taken to inereaae the (v) fr (*). ysr ftwnur 3ttt production of cardamomf ^ ww

B s l M t i i Steel W eeks Cn— tfnwHiw to ft («infc* ft* y»m )« Ltd. (*) •35. Shri Msdhn Uxnaye: Win th* 5 Minister of Steel, Mine* mad Metals (w) ?rrrar^ saT 1 be pleased to SLate: (»*■) faHipM iARrt rftaw (a) whether it is a fact that tenders Trtf w«j>w«Rn 1 were called for by Hindustan Steel works Construction Ltd., for Bokaro T m d tn for Bokaro Civil Works Steel Plant civil works in January, 1967; 834. Shri Midhn U n a je : Will the (b) if so, the value of the work for Minister of Steel, Mines and Metals which tenders were called and the be pleased to state: number 'of contractors who were selected and called tor negotiations; (a) whether it is a fact that 21 con­ tractors, some of whom had been ic) whether any permission was allowed to withdraw their condition given to some of them to withdraw or to revise their tenders for Bokaro the conditions attached to their ten­ Civil Works (called by the Hindustan ders and thereby to revise them; Stsel Works Construction Ltd.) were (d) whether it is a fact that without called for second negotiations on the this withdrawal and revision, the ten­ llth|12th March, 1967; ders would not have been valid and acceptable to the company (Hindu­ (b) whether only 9 contractors were stan Steel Works Construction Ltd); Interviewed and were assured that and they would get the contracts; ' (e) if so, whether this withdrawal (c) whether all these 9 contractors and revision was according to tbs had been allowed to revise the ten­ rules and regulations in force, and ders or to withdraw the conditions especially as laid down in the tender attached thereto; documents? The Minister of Steel Mines and (d) the names of these 9 contrac­ Metals (Dr. Channa Reddy): (a) to tors; Te). The question pertains to the day-to-day working of M/s. Hindu­ (e) whether it is also a fact that stan Steelworks Construction Limited, others had been telegraphically invit­ a public sector undertaking, about ed to attend on these dates but were which information is not normally never interviewed; and furnished to Government. The mate­ rial for the reply is, however, being (f) If so, the reasons for adopting collected and will be placed on the this Irregular procedure? Table of the House as soon as it is available. The Minister of Steel Mines and fiWJTt HWT «TCMiNf Metals (Dr. Channs Beddy): (a) to (f). The question, pertains to the vr m m day-to-day working of M/s. Hindu­ stan S eelworks Construction Limited, #36. TW a public sector undertaking, about : which information is not normally furnished to Government. The mate­ «rt fwm, wwr iwr wij ir?ft «n[ rial for the reply is, however, being ' fir: collected and will be placed on the Table o f the House as soon as it is (v ) **tt ifhorarr, a w w available. 3 5 ot Written Answers AFBH. 7, 1*67 Written Atutoer* 3 < io

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3rd plan period being Cl against tho companies or the companies with target of 72 locomotives. foreign capital to engage themselves in the internal distribution of commo­ (c) (i) The main reasons for the dities whether produced in India or shortfall in the production of diesel imported from abroad; locomotives were the delay in pro­ curement of imported components (b) whether Government are aware owing to foreign exchange difficul­ that the practice in this matter differs ties, delay in delivery of cer.ain im­ widely from the policy laid down In ported equipment and tools, and the the Industrial Policy Resolution; and time taken to develop indigenous (c) the steps proposed to be taken manufacture of components to reduce to enforce the principle laid down in import content. the Industrial Policy Resolution that Necessary foreign exchange has foreign capital or foreign know-how now been released and orders placed is not required for internal distribu­ for imported components to cover tion or internal commerce? the production programme of the The Minister of Industrial Develop­ Diesel Locomotive Works upto the ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A . middle of 1968-69. Continued efforts Ahmed): (a) to (c). The practice ia are also being made to gradually to discourage foreign-owned companies reduce the import content so as to be or the companies with foreign capital able to produce more locomotives to engage themselves in the internal with a given amount of foreign ex­ distribution of commodities whether change. produced in India or imported from (ii) The reasons for the shortfall abroad. in the production of electric loco­ 2. To enforce this policy, the Foreign motives were— Exchange Regulation Act, 1947 was (a) delays in the procurement of amended in 1964 so that foreign com­ imported equipment owing panies and foreign controlled Indian to foreign exchange difficul­ Companies | firms or persons shall not ties; accept, without prior permission of the Central Government or the Re­ (b) delays in the supply of cer­ serve Bank of India, appointment in tain indigenous equipments India as agent or technical advisers which are being developed or management advisers to any per­ in the country for the first son, firm or company. As a result of time. this amendment, which came into Orders for the major imported and force from the 1st April, 1969, it la Indigenous components for the pro- possible to check foreign and foreign duc ion upto the middle of 1966-69 controlled companies from undertak­ have since been placed. All efforts ing purely trading activities. are made to urge expeditious •supply Seniority in the Diesel Locomotive of these components to adhere to the Works, Varanasi planned production in addition to sustained efforts for indigenous deve­ S42. Shri sarjoo Pandey: Will the lopment of more and more items. Minister of Railways be pleased to Internal Distribution fcy Pacdgn- state: •wned Companies (a) whether it is a fact that in the Diesel Locomotive Works, Varanasi, SM. Shii C. C. Deaal: Will the the Principle for determining the Minister of Industrial Development seniority under GM/DLW—Varanasi’s «»d Company Affairs be pleased to Circular No. 31-E(Spl.)|Seniority|64, state: dated the 11th August, 1966 is not as (») the practice being followed in per rules laid down by the .Railway respect a t allowing foreign-ownad Board; If so, the reasons therefor; 3505 WrttttnAmurn* APRIL 7, 1987 T “ 'Innrsrs 3 5 6 6

(b) the te u o o i of clause ( 2) of the above circular regarding “Prime (* )• ^ t ^ 3ffTjnSTrf

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M a n ! fixed weight for charge in local book­ 948. Shri Jyetlnnoy Ben: Will the ing and in through booking between Minister of B illv tjn be pleased to them. This took effect from 15th state: March, 1967. (a) the target of production of (c) Yes. diesel locomotives at Diesel Loco­ (d) Hie matter is being looked into. motive Works, Varanasi during 1965- 96; Four-Bogie Eleetrie Trains aa Bra Hah Division (b) the actual production during 1965-66; and 859. Shri Jyotirmoy Basu: Will the (c) the percentage of import con­ Minister of Railways be pleased to tents of these locomotives? state: Hie Minister of Railways (Shri (a) the number of four-bogie elec­ C. M. Poonacha): (a) 44 locomotives. tric trains now running on the Sealdah Division South Section; (b) Actual production was 39 loco­ motives plus 5 locomotives which (b) whether they are very much were completed but were awaiting overcrowded; and tests at the close of the year 1965-66. (c) if so, whether Government pro­ (c) 75 per cent. pose to convert them into full size Freight on Wagon Load of Timber trains immediately? 949. Shri Jyotirmoy B u d : Will the The Minister of Railways (Stall Minister of Railways be pleased to C. M. Poonacha): (a) 78. state: (b) No. (a) whether it is a fact that the (c) Does not arise. Railways propose to demand freight for 190 quintals for a wagon load of Hf

(b) Two trains on 9th March, 1867 (c) Government’s reaction in the were held up. On 10th March, how- matter? ■ever, hold up lasted lor 2 hours 37 minutes resulting in cancellation of The Minister of Industrial Develop­ 22 trains, termination short of desti­ ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A. nations of 4 trains and detention to 9 Ahmed): (a) to (c). The Technical trains. Hold up was due to demons­ Committee’s report has been received trations and squatting by passengers' and it is under active consideration of SL 233 demanding to push their of the Government. train ahead or SJ 45 which is sche­ Issue of Import Licences duled to run earlier than SC 233. 854. Shri Baburao Patel: Wil1 the (c) Yes. Minister of Commerce be pleased to rr«r Dinesh Singh): (a) and (b). The procedure for the issue of import ft f% ar»inr ?r*n licences has been simplified and WTiff hiSh f-rarf ^rrct; wVt streamlined. The following are the mein features of the new procedure: (sr) ufe ^r, ynwi) : (ii) In the case of small-scale ( * ) v\x («sr) shnr actual users, a general clear­ *nf? a r ^ rrrpr faj®m ance from indigenous angle is obtained from the techni­ % fatr snnnt’fiT ft^TT £ I 'f.f*T«T cal authorities for the import JTreiT »f 8PT % TTTWf 5*T of raw materials and compo­ Knp.q-jft KISH apTTT 31% nents, instead of obtaining specific clearance on each in­ W'MIW m % I dividual application. M/s- India Electric Works Ltd., (iii) Import licences are issued to Calcutta actual users on annual basis 853. Start Indrajit GupU: Will the and a mid-year endorsement Minister o f Industrial Development for half the value has been mrtA Company Affairs be pleased to discontinued. state: (iv) Levels of heirarchy have been (a) whether the Committee set up reduced and time-limits have to investigate into the affairs of M|s been prescribed tor disposal tndia Electric Works, Ltd. Calcutta of applications. has since submitted its report; (v) Counter* have been set up in (b) if so, the findings and recom­ the major licensing office* for mendations thereof; and expeditious' disposal o? appli­ 0 5 I5 W ritten A nsw ers CHAXTBA 17, 1« 8» ( SAKA ) W ritten A n sw ert 3 5 16

cations tor revalidation or (c) if so, whether Government pro­ amendment of licences. pose to introduce one additional Ex­ press *Train at least thrice a week (vi) The rules for the transfer of between Tatanagar- and quota from one established both ways, during March to July? importer to another have been simplified. The Minister of Railways (Shri G. Gnna-Maksi Hallway Project M. Poonacha): (a) to (c). Nos. 87-88 South Bihar Expresses, 24)23 Ranchi- 855 . Shri Baburao Patel: Will the Patna Expresses and two through ser­ Minister of Railways be pleased to vice coaches, viz., one composite I state: & III and one III between Patna and Tatanagar via Gaya, cater adequately (a) the stage at which the Guna- to the volume and pattern of traffic Maksi railway project in Madhya offering between Patna on the one Pradesh stands at present; hand, Tatanagar and Ranchi on the other, throughout the year, including (b) when it Is expected to be com­ during the period from March to pleted; and July. There is, thus no justification for introduction of an additional Ex­ (c) the reasons for the delay in the press train even triweekly on Patna- project? Tatanagar and Patna-Ranchi sections The Minister of Railways (Shri C. from March to July. M. Poonacha): (a) The over-all phy­ sical progress achieved on this Pro­ ject by the end of February, 1967, is Tea Industry 4S per cent. 857. Shri D. C. Sharma: WU1 the (b) and (c). Due to paucity of Minister of Commerce be pleased to funds, the target date for compl»tion state: of this Project fixed for December, 1967, is likely to be further Put back. (a) whether the committee set up of an Additional Train to go into the problems of the tea in­ dustry and to recommend measure* between Tatana gar, Patna and Ranchi-Patna for increasing its production, ha* submitted its report; 856. Shri Shiva Chandika Prasad: (b) if so, the salient features there­ Will the Minister of Railways be of; and pleased to state: (c) the steps taken to implement its (a) whether it is a fact that one recommendations? train makes only one round trip bet­ ween Tatanagar and Patna as also The Minister of Commerce (Shri between Ranchi and: Patna; Dinesh Singh): (a) No, Sir. They have yet to start their work. (b) whether it is also a fact that (b) and (c). Do not arise. during Holi and Marriage season, i.e. between March, and J u ly , a large Electricity Meter Industry number of passengers travel between 'Tatanagar and Patna and between 858. Shri D. C. Sharma: Will the Ranchi and Patna and the Passen­ Minister of Industrial Development gers, particularly labourer* have to and Company Affairs be pleased to face great difficulty because of short­ state: age of accommodation in the South Bihar t m i m and Ranchi-Patna Ex­ (a) whether It Is a fact that single- press; and phase and! poly-phase electricity 3 $ *7 W ritten Answ er* APRIL 7, IM7 Written 4nnm 35xfr

meter industry is facing a d is h due Hsadloom ladwtry la XSX. to over-production in the country; *59. Shri M. Meghacfcandm: Will the (b) whether it la also a fact that Minister of Commerce be pleased to Government estimated the of state: &WH meter* at 2.1 million per year (a) whether a serious crisis hag hit wherea* the actual demand has not exceeded more than one the handloom Industry in UJ*. and the Union Territory of Manipur; •ingle-phase meters a year; (b) whether the prices of yams, (e) whether it is a fact that certain dyes and chemicals have been rising meter factories are producing twice fast for the last few months; and or three times their licensed capacity (c) if so, how many looms and as a result of which smaller and weavers have been affected by the medium size factories have been crisis and the steps taken to meet the thrown out o f production; and situation? (d) the steps proposed to be taken H ie Deputy Minister la the Ministry to save and assist the meter industry? of Commerce (ghri Shall Qnreshl): The Minister of Indoatrial Develop­ (a) Yes, Sir, in so far as handloom ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A. industry in U.P. Is concerned. No Ahmed): (a) During last year there information has been received in the was a glut in the market as the elec­ case of Manipur. trification schemes did not progress as (b) There has been some rise la anticipated but the position is now prices of yarn, dyes and chemicals. Improving. (c) No information is available as (b) The target of 2.1 million meters to how many loom's and weavers have is for both single phase and poly­ been affected. phase meters. The year-wise produc­ tion of these meters during the yean The following steps have been taken 1964-66 is as follows:— to meet the situation:— In million Noa. (i) An ad hoe Committee consisting Year Sing'e-phase Poly-phaae Total of representatives of Govern­ ment, mill and handloom in­ Z9*4 1*4 8 1 0-055 1-536 terests has been set up. This 1965 i'H 6 0 -X 14 1.2 3 0 Committee will exert the 1966 1.049 0.141 1.190 necessary restraints on the industry to keep the prices in (c) A few units have increased their check. production considerably beyond their licensed capacity but they have (ii) Actual users’ licences have achieved the same without any import been granted for the import of additional machinery or raw of permissible dyes and materials. This has not, however, chemicals in a liberalised way caused the closure of any of the units during the current licensing producing house-service meters. period. "* (d) Various steps have been taken w i j t by the Government to remedy the position. This industry, has been put on the banned list for further licens­ ••0 . tft ( n n m wnnft : w ing. Several units have been per­ mitted to diversify their activities by manufacture of Moving Iron Volt (v) w Mirft Sleten, Earthing Resistance Metera, Magnetic Level Oaugea ate. gruiy . * b i t m n ** 35 1 9 Written Anauw* CHATTRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Written A m tM n 35*0

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K m f * m t o t I ; % f k Tea Centres In lOTfe s (*t) nfi; ^t, eft ®rmPpft, 868 . Shri Maddi Sudarsanam: Wilt *B*ff cm fafcqqf % JTHT «WT t 3 *IT the Minister of Commerce be pleased Tt ftw *u«rr if ftw *J5*T TT to state: ?nfr 5i?r firm *m *r ? (a) whether Government's attention has been drawn to the adverse re­ wTfarwr «hnm if vm ift («ft marks made by Prof. C. N. Vakil in ffift yrsft) : (t) (n ). his book on “Devaluation of the Rupee; A Challenge and an Oppor­ 1 96 6 if Tnre*rnr if flrcft »fY * m r d Tt tunity” on the way in which the Tee ^nfV «f?r t t TteT ^ Rwt »ptt 1

(*) «n%fiwT»rer mq^Rr, 2 4 ,7 7 2 The Minister of Commerce (Start Dlnesh Singh): (a) Yes, Sir. f*raf v h i w ft r % fMt ^rtrjr i (b) The unsatisfactory running Of the Tea Centre in London came to (ii) ^ftfip*? TT*T TT*ITC, 348 Government’s notice before the pub­ lication of Shri Vakil’s book. The firsrf v * r r w 'd r *0 % fait Centre has since been renovated and ^ ry c 1 service considerably improved. Ser­ vice is now confined to quality teas (iii) vtfvrearsr prw rti 3,141 and snacks. According to the latest TT*fft«TT «R5

given to Unstirred Question No. i l l Major industrial B u m s on the 2nd November, 1968 and state: •70. Shri Sbtva Chandra Jku (a) whether various Government Will the Minister of Indastrtal Deve­ agencies have since collected informa­ lopment and Company Affairs be tion or made enquiries in regard to pleased to state the five major indus­ Amin Chand Pyarelal Group of firms trial Houses, (like Birla, Tata etc.) which had been black-listed or penal­ and how much out of the total capital ised; stock in the Indian economy is, joint­ (b) if so; the details thereof; and ly or individually under their control? (c) if not, how much more time is The Minister of Industrial Develop­ likely to be taken therefor? ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A. Ahmed): On the basis of the avail­ able data regarding paid-up capital The Minister of Industrial Develop­ and net assets for 1963-64, the Mono­ ment and Company Affairs (Shri F. A. polies Inquiry Commission classified Ahmed): (a) to (c). Question No. Ill the following five industrial houses as referred to by the hon. Member the top ones;— was very wide and vague inasmuch as it did not indicate the type of 1. Tata information|inquiries, the hon. 2. Birla Members then had in view. However, 3. Martin Burn different Ministries of the Govern­ ment of India have been requested to 4. Bangur furnish the information in respect of 6 . The Associated Cement Com­ that question as it stands. Replies panies Ltd. from some of them are still awaited. The latest data regarding the total capital stock in the Indian economy If, however, the hon. Member are not readily available. A survey has In view the recommendation of conducted by the Reserve Bank of the Public Accounts Committee (Third India roughly estimated the aggregate Lok Sabha)—50th Report, attention Is tangible wealth of the country which invited to the reply given by the is the same as the capital stock in­ Minister of Steel, Mines and Metals to cluding land, as Rs. 55,600 crores for Starred Question No. 171 on the 31st the year 1960-61. On the basis of March, 1067. The Ministry of Steel, these figures the individual share of Mines and Metals have already set up these business groups of the total tan­ a Committee known as the Committee gible wealth of the country works out of Enquiry (Steel Transactions). as below:— Name of Rank Total No. Paid-up Net Percentage of business ofCoj. in Capital Assets the net assets group the group (Rs. crores) to the total tangible wealth. 1. Tata 53 1« a .3 417.7 0.75 a. Birla * 5 i 76-3 * 92.7 0.53 3. Martin Bum aa-3 149-6 0.27 4 Buigur . 81 * 9 .7 77-9 5* The Associated Cement 0.14 Companies Ltd. 5. * 4 - * 7 7 .4 0.14 3J37- Klectrio ncpply CHAITRA IT, 188 9 {SAKA) to Btola factor? 3 5 2 8 (C-A.) M|a New Oeatnl fait WBa C o*, I M , Shri S. Xaada (Balaaore): On a Calcutta point of order. 871. Shri Madfcn Ltasye: Will the Minister of Commerce be pleased to Mr. Speaker: Hie caUmg-attentioo- state: notice is bring taken up. How can there be any point of order now? (a) whether it is a fact that M|> New Central Jute Mills Co. Ltd., Shri S. Kundu: Before you take it Calcutta have been given big loans by up, I want to raise this point of order. the Central Government and the UP. I had tabled a very Important call- Government during the period from ing-attention-notice relating to the 1956 to 31st March, 1967; art silk industry___ (b) if so, the total amount of theae loans; Mr. Speaker: Order, order. (c) whether it is also a fact that the financial condition of this com­ Shri S. Kundu: Let me be heard. pany is not satisfactory and that this company has not published its ba­ Mr. Speaker: Unless a calling- lance sheets for some years; and attention-notice is permitted, it can­ not be raised here. I would not even (d) if so, the action taken by Gov­ ernment to realise these loans and allow it to be raised here... . protect the interests of the share­ Shri S. Kundu: About 20,000 wor­ holders? kers are affected.... The Deputy Minister in tbe Minis­ try of Commerce (Shii Shall Qoreahi): Mr. Speaker: About a hundred (a) and (b). No loan has been given calling-attention-notices are with me. to this company by the Central Gov­ Everyone of them cannot be allowed ernment. The Central Government ia here___ not concerned with any loan that the U P. State Government might have Shri S. Kundu: It ia an abuse of tbe given. Judicial discretion. (c) and (d). No information Is available regarding the financial con­ Sihrl H on Barua (Mangaldal): It to dition of the company. It has, how­ a very important question... . ever, been reported that the com­ pany has not filed its balance sheets Mr. Speaker: Whatever it may be, for the accounting years commencing a calling-attention-notice which has from 1st April, 1964. An investiga­ not been permitted cannot be raised tion has also been ordered by the in this House. If I allow the hon. Company Law Board into the affairs Member then I shall have to allow of the company under sub-clauses ( 1) several others to raise it in the same and 0 0 of sub-section (b) of Section 237 of the Companies Act, 1968. manner.

Shri Hem Barua: We want to sub­ 1* 37 fcrs. mit that you may reconsider the CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER decision___ OF URGENT PUBLIC IMPORT­ ANCE. Mr. Speaker: Not on the floor of the Bouc softly or saenaeiR so B nu’k House. Yesterday, I did not allow c e m jc w t M c r o m r a t C b x t t o m a i h the hon. Members from the Congress side. I did not even allow them to Mr. Speaker: Now, we shall take np mention it lure. Then, they wm> the caUing-attention-notice. Shri and discussed with me inside my Chintamani PaxdgrehL Chamber. 3 5 2 9 Electric supply APRIL, 7, 1867 to -Birla fa ctory (C -A .) 3 3 3 0

Shri ft. Kmdn: About K l 28 croret per day, we are hardly producing on* worth of foreign exchange is Involv­ lakh units per day. ed, we are losing it; about 2 0,000 Therefore, a large number of in­ workers are facing unemployment. dustries in the Kota region have not Mr. Speaker: Order, order. Shri been working. One of these factories Gbintamani Panigrahi. is the Birla factory which has been mentioned in this. It has been com­ Shift ChlnKamanl Panigrahi (Bhu­ pletely stopped; the cement factory baneswar): I call the attention of the which has befen producing about 600 Minister of Irrigation and Power to tonnes per day, has been cut down the following matter of urgent public from the 15th March. Importance and I request that he may make a statement thereon: Apart from this, we have been thinking how best to overcome the "The reported agreement of shortage of power in Rajasthan be­ Government, during President’s cause this is a very difficult spot un­ rule in Rajasthan for bulk supply connected with neighbouring State* of electricity for Birla’s cement and its own production is not there. factory at Chittorgarh at a con­ Of course, I am very glad to state cessional rate entailing a loss of that by the end of this year and in about Rs. 30 lakhs to Govern­ the course of the Fourth Plan, it will ment per annum.”. be a surplus state and there will be The Minister of Irrigation #«d a large amount of power generated. Fower (Dr. K. L>. Kao): I lay a state­ But at the moment, we are suffering ment giving the required information extremely. Therefore, it is that we on the Table of the House. [Placed thought of various methods to rectify in Library. See No. LT-307/67], this shortage. One of the methods was connecting it with Delhi, connecting Shri Chlntamani Panigrabl: He it with the neighbouring State o f must read it out. Punjab and so on. A number of schemes have been sanctioned. They Mr. .Speaker: It is a statement run­ are all under construction. That ning to four pages. will take some time. Shri A. B. Vajpayee (Balrampur): Meanwhile there is one gas turbine He may give a summary. which we have got at Kota which runs Dr. K. L. Rao: j shall give a on high speed diesel oil where the cost suimmary. of generation is considerably higher, something of the order of 53 P. be­ Mr. Speaker: The hon. Minister cause the excise duty levied by Gov­ could have placed the statement ernment is very high. At that cost of earlier on the Table of the House so 53 P. nobody can use the power. that hon. Members could have read Therefore it is that the Government of tt. India have reduced the excise duty Dr. K. It. Rao: It was placed on the by 55 per cent on this high Table much earlier. speed diesel oil in order to bring down the cost of the power I shall give a brief summary of the generation. We must remember that statement. In Rajasthan, we have the the cost of generation of power largest amount of shortage of power is generally of the order of 3—5 P. in this country now. Particularly In whereas by the gas turbine process it the Kota region due to the fact that is of the order of 53 P. Therefore, the there is no water in the Chambal cost is very heavy. Hence a certain river, there has been a very great cut- •mount of exemption has been allowed down in the power supply there. on excise duty for four months only Practically in that region where the because by the end of July we expect load it of the order of 8 lakh units the rain* to come and the O f " * 11 3531 Electric supply CHATTRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) to Birla factory 3 5 3 2 (C.A.) river will be filled and there will be Shri S- M, Banerjee (Kanpur): In no necessity to use this costly method UP also you did the same thing in the o f power generation. case of the Aluminium Corporation of Birlas. rt has also to be noted that this kind of exemption from excise duty *r° m wMjwi : (*wtar) : is given for diesel oil which we use VWfOT SfTT VT JfWT on the generation of power, ordinary if Shri Chintamani Panigrahi: I would like to know.... fosSr 6 *rta*r •ft fw r hit fc ih r Mr. Speaker: I am not sure whether fcwft t # ¥Pm*r 25 lanr urcfr you want to know ait^thing at all. fiTCRTK fc, f t % iranWT Shri Chintamani Panigrahi: . . . *fNi sift* » ftft fc, fixVR when this concession was granted to the Birlas, and whether, because there ft iftr 4K*K ^ is shortage of electricity in Rajasthan, If t IQ[ | til* demands of other factories who wanted this electricity were not met and preference was given to Birlas. U R hnr jut, at j*?t ^ W w As the Minister has tried his best, be* wi% siw (w 7 % w r ipt cause of his guilty conscience, to ex­ plain in detail these things, I would 3HT *rf— like to know whether the ban. Mini*- j w iiO «mr w i

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w s m ^ r ^ i r * f»n?Rrrftff, F r * t *ftfinrft?m r "pt ... 198 (Al) LSD—8. 354* R*. Question APR IL 7, 1087 Of Prtoilagw 354*

Mr. Speaker: After all, the Home IT* tW *TsTt^T Minister of India is not going to per­ sonally enquire into these things. Only fiF W T t W *1$ « % WT through his officers he conducts tne | jt? ?rereni4 ? enquiry. That is what he means. Even then it does not mean that the c f t m n r a r m : * r f t Home Minister is not responsible. If something happens in Assam he can­ fa n ^ r c r l 1 not run up there and get the infor­ mation. He only gets the informa­ Whatever information I ani giving, tion through his officers. you, I am taking the responsibility for it. Therefore, my report is mat­ in the afternoon of 5th April, 1WS7 ¥1° TPT % Shri Bramhanandji, M.P., was itting in the round-about to the no-th of Parliament House. He was joined Dy Shri Bal Raj Madhok (South Delhi): about 150 persons for a demonstra­ Then he need not say that it is the tion against cow slaughter. The- information he has received. It is his demonstrators were peaceful. A t information. We are not concerned about 3.00 p.m. Shri Bramliunandji with the source of his information. and other demonstrators cf their own We are concerned with the informa­ accord got into three police velucie* tion that he gives. that were there. Shri Y. B. Chavan: I do certainly Shri A. B. Vajpaye?: Of their own make a distinction of these things, accord? because after hearing these reports I could not make any special further enquiry on the matter because I re­ tto tm «pft!TT : %ram ceived this intimation yesterday afternoon. ngtzv ... Shri Y. B. Chavan: I am telling >ou, ¥T° TPT : eft *T*ft the impression that I got. .. . *T?T «FT^ WIT fsp*T5Tft Shri A. B. Vajpayee: This is tanias- Stt| t l tic. Shri T. B. Chavan: Whatever infor­ ghrl Y. B. Chavan: It may be lan- mation I have got I am giving herd. I tastic. From the fact? that I have re­ can take responsibility for a certain ceived it appears that 'hsse Peop e action which I ordered. If I make really were doing satywaha lor an inquiry and if I accept the verdict getting arrested and *v'“ police re­ of the inquiry, then It is my res­ fused to arrest them. T ^ t jnemn to ponsibility. be the impression th"t I tret from the report of the case. It went o n ...... (Interruption). w o t w sit <3^t vr 1 : trrvtsr tnrter, Pi«icn & fr tnrr Bhrl Xaawarlal Onvia: You can f r r r n r fir»i v e ’rn 9- fa fW a ^ rff srnmr t ,l*rr *Wt * t t f « f t *

w ir vffPr aft ft 5i«* iftai'lir «pt ^55ra?r Reddl) (On behalf of Shri Fakhruddin Ali Ahmad): I bog to lay on the wifV 5PP f ^ f t % viRrtf ^ Pr t | Table:— x^ft mjjUq ift willow ^ arra^i I (PIT •d'l *Pt +t{t «TR(f Tt ^TfjT (1) A copy of the Salt Ces9 (Am­ endment) Rules, 1966, published ^t^MT *TT?T ^ 5ft 2ft?TT% ^ T^T ^ in Notification No. S.O. 3592 in

A u d i t R e p o r t ( C i v i l ) 1 9 0 7 Companies Act, 1956.

The Deputy Prime Minister and (ii) Review by the Government Minister of Finance (Shri Morarji on the working of the abive Desai): I beg to lay on the Table a Companv. fPla-^-f »n Lib­ copy each of the following papers:— rary. See No. LT-2&8/87]. (1) Audit Report (Civil), 1967, under article 15(1) of the Con­ (4) (i) A copy of the Annual Re­ stitution. port of the National Instru­ ments Limited Calcutta, for (2) Appropriation Accounts (Civil), the year 19*3-66. a’ong with 1 0 9 5 -6 6 . the Audited Accounts and the comments of the Com­ Salt Cess (A mknbmxmt) Roues, etc. ptroller an I Auditor Gene­ The Minister of State la the Minis­ ra] thereon, under »ub-»°e- ter of Industrial Development and tlon (1) of s'ctton 610A of Vm m m y Affaii» (Shri Kaghnath the Companies Act, 1966. 3545 Papers Laid APRIL 7, 1967 Papers Laid

[Shri Raghunath Reddi] {ii) Review by the Government (viii) Dzvelopment Coun�il for Art on the woL'king oi the Silk Industry. above company. [P,aced (ix) Development Council to� Or­ ,, in Libr.1.rY. See No. LT- . 289/67]. ganic Chemical Industries (x) Development Council for (5) (i) A cJpy of the Annual Re­ Woollen Industry. por, of thve opmcnt Caun:il for I.C. (6) A coJy ea:h of the Annual Re­ Engines Power Driven p :rt; for t'ie year 1964-6.3 of the Pwn,s Air Com;ires3ors and follo vir,1 D :velopme:1t Cowcil, F:ms and Blowers. under s:.t'J-section (4) of s�c!io n (xvii) D2velopment Council for 7 of the h::iust·ies (Develop­ Lig:1t Ele:trical Industrie:1. ment anl Regul3tion} Act, 1951:- (xviii) D�velopment Coun:il for LeJther and Leath<'r [!oods. (i) Dev-I ·p·nent Council tor He3vy E1 ectricai !nrlnstries. (xix) D cv :lopment Council for Fo::d Pro2essing hdustrie,. (ii) Dev�lo'.)me,t Ca•m· ii for Mac'1i.1e Too s Industry. rP '.IC'eri in tLe Librar;;. Se, No. LT-291167.J {iii) D�ve1 op'l1e'lt Coundl for Ncn-Ferrou, M>::ta"s hdust�y. (7) A c.,p·, of !n'.erim R:zport to Phnn:ng Cc:mmissiO', o, ln­ (iv) Deve':cpment Coun:il for Au­ du�tfri.1 Planning and Lice'1sing to'l1o':J:les, Automobile Anr11- p J;ny by Dr. R K Haz,ri. Ja�y In:iustri2s Tran,port ,Ph,.�-1 h the Library, See Ve'ii le Tn :lustri-es, T··actors No. LT 293167.] a1d E,rth-Mwing Eq•.llp­ m 'n.'� a, i Int2rnal Combus­ RE:?O-T o- NEY''ELT LIG'IITE tion Eng'ne ,. Co-PORATICN. ETC. Th� M'n;<;t"!.- of State in th, Minls­ (v) D,velopm,nt C'.luncil for Tn­ t-v 'lf t;'n�'.. Mh�s and M<>!''l1� . �- !-'� ,,:, (On behalf nf Dr. M:. Chenna Rrddy): I beg to lay on the (vi) D<>v<>lop'Tl'r.t Council for Table- Tex'.ile Machinery Jnd:.istry. (1) (i) A copy of the AnnU1l Re­ (vii} Dev�]o')ment Council for port of the Neyve'i Lig­ Drugs and Pharmaceuticals. nite Corporation Limited,

L 3347 P*P*r* CHATTRA 17. 1889 (S A K A ) Paper* Laid 3 3 4 *

Nctyvell, for the yew 1965- X beg to lay on the Table-- M, «iOt>g with the Auaiuxi A ..Count* and coramenu of (1) (i) A copy of the Annual Re* Uie Comptroi.er ana Auai • port uf the State Trading tor Ceneiai theraon, unaer Corporation of India Li­ sub-secuon (1) of se.tion mited, New Delhi, for the 619A of the Comp^DA year 1965-66. along with Act. 193*. the Audiied Accounts and tne comments of the Com* (li) Review by the Govern­ trol er and Auditor General ment on the work.ng of thereoa under sub-section the ab jve Company. U) of section 619A oi tne [Placed in the Library. See Companies Act. 1956. No. LT-292J67.] (2) (i) A copy of the Annual (ii) Review by the Government Report of the N-.tion.il on tne working of tho aojve Corporaticn. IP.ne­ Mineral Development Cor­ ed in the Library, See No. poration Limitei, Mew LT-294|67 . ] Delhi, for the ysar 1935-68, alang with the Audited A-count; and ths com­ (2) A copy of the Export of Rub­ ments of the Comptroller ber Balling (Inspection) Rues, and Auditor General 1966. published in Notification 'thereon under sub-section No. S.O. 848 In Gazette of (1) of section 619A of the India dated the 13th Marcn, Companies Act. 1956. 19B7. tindar sub-section (3) of iwtinn 17 of th» Export (Qua­ (ii) Review by the Govern- lity Control and Insr>ection) m :nt on the working of Act. 1963. IPlnc-ti in the Lib­ the above Company. rary. See No. LT-295/67.] fP'ac-d in the Library. See No. LT-186J67.] T e r r it o r ia l A r m y ( F i r s t A m e v d - m e n t ) R o l e s (3) (i) A copy of the Annual Re. port of the Manganese Ore (India) Limit'd N'gour, The Minhter of Parliamentary for the year 1965-66. aton* Alfairg and Communications (Dr. with the Audited Accounts Ram Su')hag Singh) On behalf ol and th: comments of the Shri Bali Rim Bhagat): I beg to Conmtro ler and Aulitor lay on the Table a copy of the Terri­ General th»rean, under torial Army (First Amendment) ^■’l'-, er,:on (1) of pect on Rules, 1987. published in Notification ? 819A of the Companies No. S.R.O. 92 in Gazatte or India Act, 1956. dated the 18th March, 1937, issued under section 14 of the Territorial (il) Review by the Govern­ Army A-t. 1948. [Place* in the Lib- ment on the working of the Library. See No. LT-296/87.J th» above C -mpany [P '’Cod »n **>» Library. Sec Statement showing *cros taken on No. LT-187|67.] assurances etc.

Reiw r o r S.T.C. a n d E x p o r t o r ofDr- * ?"! Snbh^ SHrt (On behalf R w m Bn.TTNa flNSPecnoN) Rules o f Shri I. K. Gujral): I beg to Th*> Deputy MM^er h the Minlt'rr lay o*i th« Tib,e the follow •f Cmnwirw (Shri BOw^l) U&n *h0Wfnf th* option

[Dr. Ram Subhag Singh] Inga given by the Minister* during been fulfilled and tomorrow ia the the various sessions of Lok Sabha:— last day of the session. fourth Lok Sabha, Thirdly, the hon. Minister for Par­ liamentary Affairs promised that he 1. Statement No. 1— will ask the Commerce Minister to First Session, 1967. make a statement on the mismanaged concern of Lakshmi Ratan Cotton Third Lok Sabha Mi'Is, Kanpur, which the Central Gov­ ernment wanted to take over. They 2. Supplementary State­ ment No. 11— have not yet taken it over despite the fact that the committee appointed by Sixteenth Session, 1966. them have recommended unanimous­ S Supplementary State­ ment No. V— ly that it should be taken over. That assurance has not been fulfilled, that Fifteenth Session, 1966. is, the Minister of Parliamentary 4. Supplementary State­ Attain has not made a statement on ment No. D C - that. Fourteenth Session, 1966. ft. Supplementary State­ Fourthly, on 5tR December, 1966, ment No. XII— on the last day of the last Lok Sabha, Twelfth Session, 1965. an assurance was given by the hon. 6. Supp ementary State­ Defence Minister, Shri Swaran Singh, ment No. XVII— when I raised the question of the Eleventh Session, 1965. victimisation of the employees of 7. Supplementary State­ Hindustan Aeronaulics Ltd., Kanpur ment No. XXV— who were wrongly dismissed. He gave Seventh Session, 1964. an assurance that he will consider the [Placed in the Library . See No. case and inform this House. That haa mr-297|67.] not yet been done. Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): These are the four assurances which Sir, about these various assurances, were given and which have not been promises and undertakings given by fulfilled. I would request you to take the Ministers during the various ses­ note of them and request the Minis­ sions of the Third Lok Sabha and the ters concerned to make statements to­ Fourth Lok Sabha I have to mention morrow, the last day of this session. one thing. Last time also I men­ tioned It. During the Third Lok Mr. Deputy-Speaker: They will be Sabha certain assurances were given looked into by the Committee on In this House. One was given, aftpr Assurances. Some of the assurances -wte fied a discission, to the effect were only recently given on the floor that there would be a proper inquiry of the House. The Committee on As­ Into the various shady deels of surances will look into them. Messrs. Aminchand Peareylal. That assurance has not been fulfilled. Shri 8. M. Banerjee: What about the old ones? Another assurance was given in Mr. Deputy-Speaker: They will also this session. When the CIA activities - be looked into. In our country were mentioned by various bon. Members of this House, Shri S. M. Banerjee: Sir, tomorrow a solemn assurance waa given by i8 the last day of the session. This Shri Chag^a, the External Affairs is my submission. About the C.I.A, Minister, that he would contact bis also, the hon. Deputy Prime Minister colleagues and let this House know made a statement outside that there whether any commission would be will be an Inveaigation made about the appointed or not. That aleo haa M l CJ.A, money or American money 355> P«per» Laitf CHAITBA 17, 1889. (SAKA), Papers Laid 3 5 5 s

coming into uur country, whether Dr. Bam Subhag Singh: ...an d he 'through the C.I.A. Or >»y other was replying to it. Anyway, that has agency. I am thankful to him lor been brought to his notice. Th* Com­ that. The Minister concerned gave n mittee on Assurances will go into it. solemn assurance in this House, when there was a demand from all sections Shri S. M. Baaerjee: When I raised o f the House, both Opposition and this question the Speaker, in Congress, that there will be a probe his wisdom, asked the hon. into the matter on the C.I.A. activi­ Minister and he was kind enough ties. Then, there were the assurances to say that he will convey it to the made about the Lakshmi Katan Cotton Commerce Minister and ask him to Mills, Kanpur and the H.A.L. emplo­ make « statement if he so desires. I yees who were wrongly dismissed. am not misquoting him. The second There is a serious situation today. The thing is about the H .A .L . employees. Minister gave an assurance on the 5th That is a public undertaking and December, 1966 and tomorrow is the there ig a serious situation I urge last day of the session and, therefore, upon you to do the needful. The hon. I urge upon you to do the needful. Ministers gave an assurance which If these sta'ements can be made, that was very sympathetically received by will save the situation in the Lakshmi all the 4000 employees. Tomorrow is Katan Cotton Mills, Kanpur and the the ia’ t day of the session and I would H.A.L., Kanpur. I am raising these request him to make a statement. things not because I am elected from That will avert the serious situation that place but the situation is very that has developed there. I know serious. that these things go to the Assurances Committee. It will take a long time. The sitaation is quite explosive. I Dr. Bam Subhag Singh: Sir, as you would urge upon the Commerce Min­ have rightly said, the Committee on ister and the Defence Minister to make Assurances will look into the matter statements tomorrow. to see that all the assurance that have not been fulfilled are fulfilled later on. t,*TTTT T fat* 5f3T feJlT Ag regard^ the Aminchand Pyarelal *rn t ?ffT TTJKT flfHT transactions, that is a matter which fat? . . . -will certainly be gone into within the limits of the assurance made by the Mr. Deputy-Speaker: We are on Minister concerned. A* regards the the question of assurances. It you .assurance that Mr. Chagla gave about have got to say something on that, the C.I.A., that was only recently you can say it at the appropriate made and so is the case of Lakshmi time and not now. Katan Cotton Mills, Kanpur. I have Already brought it to the notice of the Shri Shashi Ranjan (Pupri): May I Minister concerned, that is, the Minis­ say a word about this? The Com­ ter of Commerce and he will do the mittee on Assurances look5 into the needful. In that regard too, I have assurances and if any clarification is not given any assurance that I will to be sought from the Minister con­ get it done during this time. cerned, it is to be done through the Parliamentary Affairs Department and Shri S. M. Baaecjee: You said bat. it is the Minister in-charge of Parlia­ mentary Affairs Department who re­ Dr. Bam 8ahhag Singh: I conveyed plies in the House and asks the Min­ -that to him and even today a question ister concerned to furnish proper ex­ m s raised regarding that matter ...... planation. So, actually the Minister of Parlia­ a r t S. k . fcaaacj— : Ae. mentary Affair* ia to reply aa to 155 3 P opart Laid APRIL 7, 1MY T tptn Laid . 3394

[Shri Shashi Ranjan] within what time limit he wou’.d get under sub-section (6) of sec­ the assurances fulfilled and by what tion 5 of the Emerge'ey Riatea time be would reply in the House (Goods) Insurance A t, 1942. about those assurances. [Placed in Library. See W®. LT-298/66.] Dr. Ram 8ubhag gta|h: The hon. Member has not followed what I mid. (2) A copy of the Kme*gencr Risks (Factories) Insurance About Lakshmi Rat an Cotton Mills, (Amendmen ) ?.Tieme, lOflT oniy four or five days bick, Mr. pubished in Notification Not. Banerjee raised that point and the S O. 1010 in Gazette of India next day, I conveyed it to the Com* dated the 23rd Mar h. 1967, mer e Minis er with a request that, under sub-section (7) of iec- if the e waj anything, he might make tkn 3 of the Emergency Risks a statement in the House—as Mr. (Factories) Insurance Act, Banerjee himsef has pointed out, if 1962 [Placed in Library. See he so desired. This assurance is only No. LT-299/67.J four or five days' old. r a m (•: .^t ) : srrwsr So is the case abou* Mr. Chagla. #rr it-,: cr.r? rr ^n $ , That is also a point which is perhaps a week old. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Now paper* are beinii laid on 'he Table. I have About HAL, he says that it was cal'ed Mr. Pant. I will listen to him made in Decambar, 1966. later. Certainly, all the assurances that Shri K. C. Pant: I have already were given by the concerned Minis­ laid. ters wil. have to be fu'filled and they will b 2 fulfilled within a reasonable A c c o u n t s o r N a t o v a l Coop^ttATiva time limit. D e v e l o p m e n t C o r p o r a t i o n Bhrl Shashi Ranjan: If the Assur­ The Minister of State in the Minis­ ances Committee are allowed to con­ try of Food, Agriculture, Community duct directly the Min.sters, I think Developmen and Cooperation (Shri it will short-circuit the affair and it Annasahlb Shinde': I beg to lay ua will be d-ne quickly. the Table a copy of the Certi!led Ac­ counts of the National Cooperative Mr. Depnty-Spi* ker: The Minister Development Corporation, New DelUi, ef Pariiamontary Affairs is vigilant for the yea- 1965-66 along with I he about these things and he will take Audit Report thereon, under sub-sec­ i.eps at the app opriate time. tion (4) of section 17 of the National Cooperat ve Development Corporation Mr. K. C. Pant. Act, 1952. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-300/67.] E m e r g e n c y R i s k s Jn s u r a n c * ( A m e n d ­

m e n t ) S c h e m e s N otifications u n d e r A l l I n d ia S e r v ic e s A c t Tbe Minister of Slate In tbe Minis­ try of Finan e (Shri K C- Pant): J Tbe Minister of State h> the Minis­ beg to lay on the Table— try Mi Home Affairs (Shri Vidya (1) A ropy of the Emergency Chiran Shukla); I beg to lay on the Risk., (G cois) Insurant-* Table: (Amendmen ) Scheme, 1967, (1) A c^nv ea'h of the f-il'owin* published in Notification No. Notifications unle- sub-secti->■» S.O. 1009 in Gazette of India (2) of section 3 of 'he Alt dated the 23rd March, 1887, India Services Act, 19 5 1:— 35«1 Laid CHAITRA IT, USB (SAKA) Papers Laid 3556 .

7, n u u n i c ertain amendment to [Placed in the L.brary. See No. Schedule III to the Indian Lt-304/67.] Pui cc Service (Pay) Rules, (2) A copy each of the following 1954. Notifications unJer sub-scction (iii) G.S.R. 348 published in (3) of sec.ion 33 of the Car­ Gazjite oi indu dated ths damom Act, 1955: — 18th March, I9«i7, maki.ig ce.tain ame.i -me.it to (i) The Candamom (Second- Amendment) Rules, 1966, Schedule III to the Indian Admi v.strative Serv’ -«! published in Notification No.. (Pay) Ruljg, 1954. G.S.R 1821 in Gazette of lr.*:a dated the 3rd Decem­ [Placed in the Libra, y. See LT-301/67.] ber, 1966 (2) A copy of the Order pub'ishea (ii) The Cardamom (Third Am­ in Gizet e of India dated liie endment) Rule* 196S, pub­ 5th Ap ii, 1967, isiued by '.he lished in Notification No. President un:'er si ticn 51 ul G.S.R. 1822 in Gazette of the Government of Union India dated the 3rd Decem­ Territories Act, 1963, rescind­ ber, 1966. ing the Order dated '.he arct [Placed in the Library. See No. December, 1968, in relation iu LT-305/67 ] the Union Territo.y of Lri«. Diman ar.-l D'u. [Plrred in (3) A copy each of the fo^low!ng Library. See No. LT 302/67 ] Noifira‘ ions un ’er s’ib-seciion (6) of scc:ion 3 of the Ess n- R e s u l t s o f B y e - e l e c t i o n s tial Cjmmod.tiej Act, 1955: — The Deputy Minister In the Mintn- try of Law (Shri D. R. Chavan): 1 (i) The Cotton Con'rol (Second beg to lay on (he Table a copy ot Amendment) Orffr, 19f6. ‘Results of Bye-e:ections held between pub i^hed in Notification No. January, 1965 and Ju'y l n66. [Placed 5.0. 3607 in G- z?t‘c of India in Library. See No. LT-303A.7.] tfa‘"d th; 23th November, :966. XoTincATiON? u n d e r C orrn Act, C a r d a m o m A c t a n d E s s e n t i a l (Ii) The Co’ton and Stap'e Fibre C o m m o d i t i e s A c t . Textile Mills (Regulation Shri Shall Qureshi: I beg to 'ay on and Working) Order. 19*16, the Table— pub‘iz?1t-' of India (1) A copy each of the following datrd th» 24th December, Notifications untfer sub-sect;uu 1966. (3) of ft'ction 48 of the CofTee Act. 1942: — jpinred in the Library. See No. LT-306/67 ] (I) The Coff-e (TMrd Amend­ ment) Rules, 1966, published 3JJL7 A B 8IL T, 1987 P. U. C. Report and 'jsjg Minute* 14.14 hr*. Sabha that the Rajya Sabha do MESSAGES FROM RAJYA SABHA agree to nominate five member* from tbe Rajya Sabaa to Secretary: Sir, I have to report associate With the Committee the following messages received from on Public Undertakings of tho Abe Secretary of Rajya Sabha:— Lok Sabha for tjie term end­ ing on the 31st March, 1968 and (i) ‘I am directed to inform the do proceed to elect, in such man­ Lok Sabha that the Rajya ner as the Chairman may direct, Sabha at its sitting held on five members from among the Thursday, the 30th March. members of the House to serve on 1967, adopted the following the said Committee.” motion in regard to the Com­ mittee on Public Accounts:— I am further to inform the Lok Sabha that at the sitting of the Rajya “That this House concurs in Sabha hr Id on Thursday, the 6th the recommendation of the Lok April. 1967, the Chairman declared the Sabha that the Rajya Sabha do following Members of the Rajya Sabha agree to nominate seven members to be duly elected to the said Com­ from the Rajya Sabha to associate mittee:— with the Committee on Public 1. Shri Arjun Arora Accounts of the Lok Sabha for the term ending on the 31st March, 2. Shri V. M. Chnrdia 1968 and do proceed to elect, in 3 Shri Banka Behary Das such manner as the Chairman 4. Miss Mary Naidu may direct, seven members from among the members of the House 3. Shri Awadheshwar Prasad Sinha’. to serve on the said Committee." I am further to inform the Lok Sabha that at the sitting of the Rajya Sabha held on Thursday, the 6th 14.15 h n April, 1967. the Chairman declared the following Members of the Rajya Sabha COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC UNDER­ to be duly elected to the said Com­ TAKINGS mittee:— ( i ) F o r t i e t h R e p o r t a k b M i n u t e s 1. Shrimati Devaki Gopidas 2. Shri P. K. Kumar an Secretary: The Fortieth Report of the Committee on Public Under­ 3. Shri O n Mehfea takings of the Third Lok Sabha was 4. Shri Gaure Murahari present'd by the Chairman of the ». Shri M C. Shah Committee to the Speaker on the 3rd 6. Dr. M. M. S. Siddhu March, 1967. The Speaker ordered printing, publication and circulation of 7. Shri B. K. P. Sinha.' the Report under Rule 280 of tho (ii) 'I am directed to Inform Rules the of procedure and Conduct of Lok Sabha that the Rajya Business. I lay on the Table a copy Sabha at its sitting held oa of this Report. Thursday, the SOth March, 1967, adopted the following I also lay on the Table the Minutes motion in regard to the Com­ of the sittings of the Committee cm mittee on Public Undertak­ Public Undertakings relating to 32nd ings:— to 40th Reports. “ ITiat this House concur* in -the recommendation o f (ha Lok 3559 CHATTRA 17, 1889 (SAKA ) Pertonal £xpIana-35Qo tion 14.16 hrs. 11 TRT faftr T tf «'•*«% *T ^STT PERSONAL EXPLANATION BT ^pnr *f *rct f^ntw r wr Sr f R W ^ KMHUIPfl t '

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[«ft wftrwir rsrq «fr] f * Mtwfir *rc*t % wpc vtogtft % fwt moved by Shri K. C. Past on the SBfc April, 1967, namely: finwrj** «mr? v »» it i Mr. Deiraty-Speaker: Now, we shall "That the Bi 1 further to amend take up the next item. Shri D. C. the Mineral Products (Additional Sharma. Duties of Excise and CustomsJ Shri Tennetl Vlswanatham (Visakh*. Act. 1058, be taken into considera­ patnam): May I ask . . . tion”. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: There can he Shri D. C. Sharma may continue his no questions now. speech. Bhrl Tenneti Viiwuuthiu: 1 would like to ask what the purpose ot per­ sonal explanation is . . . Shri D. C. Sharma (Gurdaspur't Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Certain alle­ Mr. Deputy-Speaker, I was submit­ gations were made against (he Mem­ ting ve y respectfully yesterday that ber. these oil companies are very powerful combines and there are only two per­ Shri Tenneti Viswanatham: I sons who I know who ha,; •tupe-i ui» thought that the provision in th,; ruled to them. One was Dr. Mas-sadecj ct for personal explanation was intonded Iran cf blessed memory. He did w* to clarify if there was a misunder­ in a very big way and he na*’.or.uli*ed standing. When a person wiki* a that industry in his country- O* statement which is not s'oar and coursc, that country went ba:k upon when somebody attacks that or. the it afterwards, which was very unfor­ ground that it is not clear, t';n?n 'ne tunate. The other was oui Oil Minis­ pe son making one statement rises ter, Shri K. D. Malaviya, who also and sf»:rs t'lat whit hs msint was this tried to limit the powers, influence or that’. O i th^ other hand, here we and money power of thrse tow^.Hniw. find a spee:h in answer to ar,oilier Of course, he did so within the frame* speech, and the other hon. Member work of our mixed e:onnny and, concerned is not hero. therefore, ho did nnt succeed very Some hon. Members: He is here. much. But so far as his attempt went, Mr. Demty-Speake-: Thero cannot it was highly cre-Vihle. I want that bo any further questions on this. the whole of this Bill should oe lrWKed at from tint context an-1 it not ufV f i t : *=* TTnfl : V .T^ST be des’.t with in a cursory mannii. *TftrT, Win f-i'TT-r r i Mr. Depu*y-Speaker: I shall not per­ Wow, It has been said that there mit any further question.* on this duties which are being imposed will This will not be recorded. Now. Shri not p-ss on *o he consumer. I do not D. C. Sharma (Interruptions ).*• know in what wo-ds the hon. Minis­ ter put it. I think h*: said thit an? dutv that is imoosed hy this Bill will 14.2* hr*. not pass dir^ctlv or indirect'* to the MINE0 * I* PPOnnfT'; f ADDITION­ consumer. T 'hink the hon. Finanes AL DUTTE^ OF FrCTSK AVIJ Cf!R- Minlst»r will he a^'e to answer 1hii TOM3) AMENDMENT P’LT — contd. question. I find that so far as kero­ Mr. Pjraty-Sp»*ke-: Fur her i">n- sene o'l l<* concerned the dut" ha s:d->~R*lon of th* following motion bean doubled. Lo far as refined dieael ••Not recorded. Min.eral CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Pr!>ducts etc. Bm 3564

oil is concerned, it has also been I want to ask one question. How -enhanced almost to the extent of 100 are these shortages going to be met per cent. The duty on asphalt has by the Ministry. I want 0 know .also been enhanced. whether this enhancement of excise duties is not going to increase the To think tha: these duties will not incidence of these shortages, or pass on to the consumers is to think whether it is going to bring down the of some kind of arithmetic which per- q,uantum of these shortages, haps prevails not in this world but in some other world. H~ shou'd think Th s last point that I wa-,; to make of some other kind of economics is this, that unfortunately I know which is not known to the econo- about three thinas-c-ka-osans oil. re- mists of the wo~ld of ours but to fined diesel oil a-id oths r diesel oil. some other economists of some other Th rse things have become more or star. lps> forms of rnonon ilv tr ade, We have been think ing of t h= Mor-ooolies Commission. W'! have not debated Th~ Minister of Sh~~ in. the Mini'!- th::! Monopolies Cornrniss io-i's Repor-t try or Fmance (Sh -i K. C. Pant): Is 0'1. the floor of 'he Hous=. bu I know he ref'rr'ng to th~ Bill and saying the policy of the Gov=rnrn-r-rt i~ that the duties have been eih mced? Only w - should put an end to t!1"s~ mono- the ceilings h-ive h~~'l enhanced pores as early as possible. But when wit'rin which fhe addi ional duties I go round this COU"1t",y I find that will be charged. These are the ceil- the sale of kero>~ne nil is given to a ings. hrndf ul of persons t'la ~h~ sale of des el oil is also giv"n to a few per- sons. and can say w ith a due sense Shr n. c. Sh-r-rna: Those are the I of rr s+onsib il itv +hlt s"lM-ti"1p.s these -eei lings. But I know and you. Mr. depot-holders of k=rose-ie oil.: .. Deputy-Speaker. k now t'll~ the floors go up and touch the ceilings, but the n~ Ranen Sen (B3r2s3t): That is ceilings never go down. I have see'] right. floors ris= to meet t'1' r",;]jngs, but 1 have seldom s=e-i tf-.'" c=ilings cav- Sh~i D. C. Sharma : I do not want ing in. I have no do,'lht abou ' it that any approbatio-i f 'non y::JU, I am the ceiling which the hon. Member is speaking from my e,rience. imposi-« unon tl,is k=rose-ie oil and other things will be:-am'" ceilings in Sh~i V. Krishn~r.llorjhi r Cudda- fact anl ''1 d2'd ai' h taxation and lore): You are s'J")win,( your hand other +h+ics. Tl, -r::-h"" T think that this side, you should show your hand you should think of the consumer th ~ 0' her side. first. E'hri D. C. Shn rmn : If you are so tou hy I cannot help it. The third pot-it h1t T w=nt to make is this, Pnt unh"~U'-n'elv some of I was submitting v= r v respectfully these t"ings are -l-el"b h short sup- th it these deuot-h-il+-rs are more or ply. For in5t1.'1C:~ k~r"<~ne oil. A le~s-I am lookin ~ at 1 he De'C-1l1y- Speaker .... 'reference was m1de to kerosene oil yesterd rv. I t"t'''k th- r~fe,ence was not ne"!d,~~ from a"v St ate of India, Shri V. Krish:'l''''''l-t''i: But you because I kr ow f ..o·",· mv own experi- are showing your hand this side. -ence of my S athat kerosene oil is Sh"j S. Kamhrp'Pl (M~

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[Shri D. C. Sharma] are the proprietors of concerns which in this Bill will do wrong to the I can call near-monopoly concerns, if average consumer, to the common not lull monopoly concerns. man. Of course, it has been said that nothing will happen to them, but I am looking forward to the day Similarly, the people who have been when with the Rumanian help, with the licensed for diesel oil and other kinds help of France, with the help of the of oil are also persons who, I submit United Kingdom, with the help of very respectfully, are trafficking in the Soviet Union, and with the help some hing which is a commodity of of other friendly countries who do- monopoly. not dabble in the politics of our coun­ try, we shall be able to prospect oil I want to ask one question. Are to that extent that we shall be able we here, I mean the Congress Gov­ to have refineries on a big scale in ernment, and I am proud of belong­ this country. We should have all ing to the Congress Party, to put a these things in such a way that our seal upon these monopolistic tenden­ dependence on ESSO and Burmah- cies which are prevailing, and which Shell and other foreign companies I am sure will prevail more on account disappears. of these duties? The moment you go to a placc you find tha kerosene oil has gone underground. I am very Sometimes, when I am going about sorry that the kerosene oil that goes land I am in an impish mood—some­ underground does not blow up that times the impish mood does take hold shop. If it blows up that shop, I of me—I feel like whitewashing the would be very happy. But it does not KSSO signs and Burmah-Shell signs; do so. But the poor man. the average I feel like effacing them; I feel like consumer, he common man goes painting in their places the Indian Oil without kerosene oil; some of those Company. I want that the oil map persons who operate our traffic in of India in terms of prospecting, in somr wa"s also go without these terms of refining, in terms of sale and things. Therefore, I would say that in terms of everything should be the hon. Minister, whom 1 congratu­ changed to Indian from A 10 Z. I late on his becoming a Minister of look forward to that day and I hope StB*e—he is the wor hy son of a that this Bill may bring that day worthy father; his father also began nearer, but I doubt it very much if as Fim rcc Minister and he is also this Bill will succeed in that. How­ beginning as Finance Ministpr and I ever, I hope something will be done havp -n doubt that his horoscope reads so that we would become self- v»rv w«ll—should see that by impos­ sufficient in oil, because he threat of ing these excise duties he should not China and the threat of Pakistan—all be a party to those things which those threats—are there. 1 know IpsH monopolistic tendencies. Pakistan can get oil from Iran, from Jordan and from other countries. They -have got oil from those countries; S W S. M. Baaerjee (Kanpur); All they got even armaments from hose wrong English. countries; they got armaments from Iran which were given to Iran by Shri D. C. Sharma: Sir, ths soul of West Germany; of course it was said of those persons who is no more they had been sent to Pakistan for here has come to possess th° body of servicing. In view of the emergency ‘his rt*mon; and I cannot help It. I and the threat we are facing all the- was submitting very rf’soeci fully that time, I wish my country become* self- ane has to look at this f"om all those sufficient in oil. When we were fight­ angles, to that nothing that is done ing die IndthNriittn war—X am glatfL 3^67 'M ineral GBAXTRA IT, 1980 (SAKA) Product* etc. Bill 3 5 6 $ we did extremely well In that—we Pr’ft 1 1 ?!T % wrf«nr art% q r fsrcrTT were den’ed spare parts by America and so many other things by UK and *^tr5fttr»r^ftfaipr«fr»r?T aft *Tfn other countries. If something like | 3ffT spt faff T^ look at this simple Bil! having cnly 2 »fr sf-Tsmipt vfirsrnTT | fw wTnnn 1 ^ ^ btt ? m ^tti if ft: 'p i i m ?rrr^ ’mpt w tot ^rr 1 1 ^ f?r% % ff— ft MSm^r, *rtffirer ?r srfisT}1"^ Tit^rfT *rt ntHT fore qr 14 st^rer fT qr fasft firer, t fa fyl'TiJnr % ^qirr tit fhan «rra?r Tf % SrtHperfjrri % *j r - T ifr ,« r j

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Shri OUattmaal PtBlfralil (Bhu­ more clear when he replies to the baneswar): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, debate whether this non-recoverable I am quite aware of the limitations item will be met out of the profits of in the scope of discussion on the oil the oil companies. Otherwise, if it is policy so far as this amending Bill shifted to the consumers, the price i i concerned, but certain points need of kerosene would increase which we some elucidation and I hope the hon. must resist. We do not want it. Minister will throw some light on Therefore, he must categorically tell them. us that this will be recovered from the profits of the oil companies. If So far as our country is concerned, that explanation comes, that will be the consumption of oil and petroleum at least one redeeming feature of this products roughly amounts to six Bill. million tons. The refineries we have aet up are producing nearly four mil­ lion tons. So far as the import as­ aft WT«I ffim ) : pect is concerned, we are importing nearly two million tons. In the Statement of Objects and Reasons of «R ITT this Bill the hon. Minister has put ♦njlgq % Pf*it «rr fares in that it is according to the Import Price Parity Agreement with these % 3JTT, * t «il companies. After devaluation tpFm v | t o «pt Pm Government has come forward for w tu t m inj *it *r t o P r o * * changing the ceiling rates which were previously fixed. We would like to (V 665 TTTHT qy grg gfor know from the hon. Minister on what tfrrer imrsTTT sm £ % re<«iTg basis this ceiling has been kRT Vt ^ 480 fixed after devaluation. Was it accor­ ding to the demand of the oil com­ ftrfc t o r *t ^«Rrrw wjft fc 1 panies and what were the detai's irpfr far % *pt 1 7 8 w f of the discussion? I hope the hon. Minister will give all the details. TO% tf«RrtTSr ¥«Jjjt f t 480 The hon. Minister was saying that 1 aft fr o this is the highest ceiling which has HT VF, ji on-recoverable. % pRft *TT ®TT Shri K. C. Pant: Enhancement is *ft tf prrt «n?r ftrcr not on the ceiling price. It is only on snrfc^w, tftr fvfRfU wmm the duty that could be levied. #

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[Shri K. C. Pant] duction did not increase to the extent in order to aee that the prices that that the prices increased. Therefore, the consumer had to pay for petro­ there was a windfall profit which was leum products did not go up. Now, going to the oil refineries and the you forget these excise duties. That purpose of this particular Bill is to is one aspect. see that we can increase additional excise duties to such an extent that The additional excise duties are not we can take some of these profits into Central excise duties which are the exchequer. charged on the products after they leave the refineries, but" these are 15 hrs. duties that will be payable by the oil refineries out of their profits, the wind­ fall profits, which they have obtained Shri Chlntomant Panigrahi: What as a result of the rise in the notional is the percentage? value of the import parity prices as a result of devaluation; instead of Shri K. C. Pant: He is not follow­ flowing to their coffers, they will be ing my argument. Please try to siphoned off to the Government. That follow. is the whole point. Shri Jyotirmoy B an : What is the These are not excise duties which true first cost of production of oil at are charged on the products after Abadan and then in India and how they leave the refinery. Those Central much was the poor consumer asked to excise duties are charged. Ordinarily pay? on every commodity, excise duty is charged after it leaves the factory, Shri K. C. Pant: Now he is asking and in this case, after ft leaves the me whether the f.o.b. price charged refinery, Central excise duty is charg­ in Abadan is proper or not. I will ed. But these additional excise come to that. duties are not those Central excise duties; these are duties which are arnl : cppnr* tjttV $ meant to siphon off the whole of the Prptt wr C ? windfall profits that would otherwise have gone to the oil refineries. They Shri K. C. Pant: It is a somewhat do not come from the consumer, they technical point. do not come from the trade, they come from out of the profits of the Shri Jyotirmoy Basu: Kindly mark oil refineries. I hope I have succeeded my words. What is the true first in making this point clear. cost of production? Shri K . C. Pant: I shall try my level best to explain a somewhat Shri Jyotirmoy Basu (Diamond technical matter—as best as I can—and Harbour): Not clear. I shall rely on your generosity to try not to interrupt me while I am doing Sbrl K. C. Pant: I shall explain it so. At the end of it, if you are still a little further. You, in your mind, unconvinced . . . (Interruptions). have to be dear about the difference between the two excise duties. One I am not yielding. is the Central excise duty that is levied on the products of refineries The second point which, I think, after they leave the refineries. As a the hon. Member has referred to is result of devaluation, when the prices whether we are charged excessive wettt up, thes excise duties were prices f.o.b. Abadan. I think, it is a actually reduced by the Government relevant point. M ineral CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) Products e tc . BUI 3 5 8 0

Yesterday Dr. Ranen Sen referred A point was raised by Shri Shri quite true that, when the Com' Chand Goel why we issued the ordi­ jnittee as well as of the Talukdar nance. We issued the ordinance be­ Working Group in this respect, it is cause if we did not issue it we would quite true that, when the Com­ have lost revenue; we did not want mittee and the Working Group made to lose the revenue and, therefore, we their recommendations, at that stage, issued the ordinance. So, it is as we were dependent, to a large extent, simple as that. on the quotations of f.o.b. prices in Abadan, but that is no longer the So far as the ceilings go, these are position today. These observations to not ceilings of excise rluty. These which the hon. Member has referred ceilings became necessary because are not wholly applicable today. The certain ceilings were imposed under position has since considerably chang­ the parent Act, and since there was ed. Imports of deficit products like no more buffer for those taxes to be kerosene, HSD etc. are no longer in raised, it became necessary to raise the hands of the foreign oil companies. the ceilings, and these ceilings are Such imports are arranged by the there so that Parliament can lay down Indian Oil Corporation in the public certain ceilings within which these sector from free rupee sources at com­ taxes can be raised; it is an instru­ ment in the hands of Parliament to petitive rates. The foreign oil com­ keep a watch over these duties which panies do import their requirements are payable by the oil companies. of crude oil from their own sources to the extent that indigenous crude Even in the past, these duties,— cannot be supplied to them. these are additional duties; let them not be mixed up with the Central Shri Jyotirmoy Basn: May I excise duties—have been used to pre­ know___ vent the trade from profiting from Shri K. C. Pant: I am not yielding. any fall in international prices, be­ The allocation of foreign exchange cause Government would take away for the import of crude is made with the margin, whatever the margin due regard to the competitive prices might be; so, that does not go into known to be prevalent in the world the hands of the trade. market. The prices of indigenous crude charged to the private oil com­ Shri Jyotirmoy Basn: Why should panies, for example, the Burmah he not pass it on to the poor con­ Shells and the Essos are also deter­ sumer instead of taking it to his mined on parity with the cost of exchequer? imported crude of equivalent quality. Shri K. C. Pant: My exchequer and Coming specifically to the question his exchequer are the same. asked by the hon. Member, in Abadan, when these committees gave their Shri Jyotirmoy Basu: The poor reports, India was paying quoted man wants some relief. prices. Since then, our market infor­ mation has improved considerably, Shri K. C. Pant: Coming to the because we go into the world market other point, which is very under­ to buy various petroleum products standable, I see the anxiety of the and crude. We are very much better hon. Members that this duty should aware of the prices; in fact, we are not be passed on to the consumer, and well aware of the prices. As a result I shall try to satisfy them that it thereof, you will be glad to know that will not be passed on to the consu­ we have succeeded in getting dis­ mers. counts on these quoted prices to the extent of 8 to 10 per cent, because Firstly, the parent Act under which we are now aware of the world market these duties are levied says specifi­ trends. cally that the additional duties of ex- M ineral A P R IL 7, 1987 Products etc. B ill 3 5 8 2 [Shri K. C. Pant} cise and customs are not to be added change whatsoever; refined diesel oil to the price o1 goods for sale. This is Rs. 686-28 per k.l., after devaluation provided for under section & of the Rs. 666-28 per k.l.—no change; light parent Act. In fact, I made a men­ diesel oil Rs, 331.07 per k.l, after tion of this in my opening speech, devaluation Rs. 331.07 per kX,—no but it may have escaped the notice change; furnace oil Rs. 190.80 per k.1., of hon. Members. after devaluation Rs. 190.80 per k.l. The present system of fixing the There has been no increase in the prices of kerosene is as follows. retail price of kerosene. As an illus­ Kerosene being naturally the main tration, I say that in Delhi it has consumer article, everybody is wor­ remained at 52P per litre. ried about it, and I share the anxiety So I have tried my best to explain of hon. Members; kerosene is an item how this was possible. This has noth­ of daily necessity for large masses of ing to do with the additional excise our people. Kerosene is the product duties which we are discussing. The which is most widely used amongst central excise duties were reduced in the products that are mentioned. Its order to absorb the shock of the in­ prices down to the retail level are crease on account of devaluation to the controlled under the Kerosene (Fixa­ consumer s° that he was not allowed tion of Ceiling Prices) Control Order. to suffer. Therefore, the only pur­ 1966 issued under the Essential Com­ pose of this Bill is to see'that the oil modities Act, 1955. The retail prices companies do not make windfall pro­ at all levels are fixed toy the State fits and that the profits that have ad­ Governments on the basis of the main ventitiously accrued as a result of de­ port installation prices fixed by the valuation because of the change in Government of India under the price the par value of the rupee can be formula introduced from 1st Febru­ siphoned off to the exchequer. ary, 1966. The State Governments etc. I hope, 1 have persuaded my hon. render quarterly reports to the Min­ friend, Shri Panigrahi, that since this istry of Petroleum and Chemicals will not bc> passed on to the consu­ about the prosecutions launched mer. he will not find it necessary to against contraventions of this order. move his amendment. This order has helped maintain prices at appropriate levels throughout the Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question country. is: The question is raised whether de­ “That the Bill further to amend valuation resulted in an increase in the Mineral Products (Additional the price of petroleum products in Duties of Excise ari3 Customs) India or not. It is a matter fact. Act, 1958, be taken into considera­ Coming to that, I would like to state tion” . the position very clearly. ' I would like to refer to the selling The motion was adopted. prices of ‘the major products. So far Mr. Deputy-Speaker: There is an as the ex-oil company storage points amendment by Shri Panigrahi. He are concerned, I have the figures for is absent. Bombay. They have not changed. I will come to the retail pftces at Bom­ The question is: bay before devaluation and after. I "That clauses 1 to 3, the En­ have got these figures for September acting Formula and the Title 1965 and September 1966. Petrol stand part of the Bill*. before devaluation Re. 8’ 86 per litre, The motion wag adopted. in September 1966 after devaluation Be. O' 86 per litre. There is no change. Clauses 1 to 3, the Enacting Formula Kerosene: Re. 0-47 per litre, after de­ and the Title were added to the valuation, Re. 0‘ *7 per litre—no Bin. 3583 CBfUHtuMOn CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) (21at AmdfT Bill 3584

Shri K. C. Past: I jw y c : In the last ten or 15 years, even in the administration, many things have “That the Bill passed". been done to recognize Sindhi as on* of the important languages. We are Mr. Depaty-Speaker: The question seeing that the Sahitya Akadami and is: the National Book Trust have accept* “That the Bill be passed”. ed Sindhi for their programmes for development of Indian languages. The motion u>a$ adopted. Sindhi programmes are broadcast from a number of stations of AU India Radio. Sindhi books are considered 15.14 hrs. for awards given by the Ministry of Education for merit. Even so, since CONSTITUTION (TWENTY-FIRST it is not recognised as one of the Indian AMENDMENT) BILL languages to 'be included in the Con­ stitution the logical step has not been Hie Minister of Home Affairs (Shri taken so far. This is the reason why T. B. Chavan: I beg to move: a constitution amendment shou’ d be “That the Bill further to amend moved in this House. the Constitution of India, as passed by Rajya Sabha, be taken Sindhi is one of our ancient langua­ into consideration”. ges, a well-developed language, and it is one of the rich Indian languages. This is one of the most important It has a very noble cultural tradition, Bills and I may say equally welcome and I am sure its coming back to the Bill. This demand of the Sittdhi fold of the family of the sister langua­ people to have the Sindhi language ges of India is something which included in the Eighth Schedule to the every Indian would certainly wel­ Constitution is a long-standing de­ come. mand. As a matter of fact, this Bill does Shri Nath Pai (Rajapur): This is of not require any lengthy speech for its all the Indian people; we also join recommendation. I have no doubt that them in the demand. this Bill will be accepted unanimously Shri Y. B. Chavan: That is why I by the House. say it is most welcome. This is actually overdue. This is naturally Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Motion moved: the culmination of a process which was taking place in the country for “That the Bill further to amend the last 20 years since partition. Before the Constitution of India, as passed partition, Sindhi was the language of by Rajya Sabha, be taken into Sind, one of the constituent provin­ consideration.” ces of undivided India. In the process •of partition, Sind was lost fo India, ■ft fcrptV : but I am glad Sindhi was not lost to India. aqigrar fathw « w r irtr % ftn? w* t g*rr g i «ft T (5 $ ) : * * Jfcft qft * ft, finft w m % sftr wrefrr wranff % wrt 3 f, aft e a n v *TOT OT T£T «TT, 5*T 1 *5 fipfr if aPNr VIHfT Pl^i <.**1 R ^ H I Shri I . B, Chavaa: Lakhs of Sindhls came to India, and at the present fatft s*rrft nmwff » » moment there are a million people ( 1 i f w w r living in India whose language to Sindhi. | 1 fisrtfr vt ts tt fiw w 3585 Constitution APRIL 7, 1W7 (21 «t Amdt.) BUI 3$86

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*1*41 fTCgtf *5t TOTOlfr t » Shri N. Duideker (J o m tg tr): Sir, I do not wish to make a kmc speech. **ft % apt $ *nr *ftr ^npn It is a matter of gratification- that at g i wn urmff *f *ftr vMtwwif *f last it has been found possible to in­ clude Sindhi in the Schedule of lang­ IR R ft *rfir k i w t ^>t arnjfir f t anir raise any doubts and difficulties at this ftf $f? O' *it ^ Tt «ft stage as to the consequences of such

*rm Tt ftrpm *f m rfw t t t | | eft afar? ^?T5r i n ” ^9TT *RT5Tar *H[ 5T^ ijf'tl Pl> TT-VPTITT tft SfTTT ft *TP T T T ^ Though Sind has been separated from 5fif f r ^r-'RTTWf TT f t ?*TPT India, we have not forgotten Sind. We have immortalised it. It is in that ^ptt ^Tf?n aft nrrmt t t 4 1 background that Sindhi should come %srf% W M K t«p m r fK r i into the 8th Schedule. That was Tagore's dream and that is fulfilled by the amendment that we are adopting today.

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[Shri C. K. Bhattachayya] was the recommendation of a parti­ the main abjective of the Constitution cular committee; that was done in may not be lost, that India some day order to accommodate a particular will be one-longuage-speaking so tar •demand. The separation of Sind laid as inter-State and Centre and State the basis for the partition of India, communications on official matters are ■because Mr. Jinn ah could not find a concerned. footing either in Bengal or Punjab which he wanted. The first looting he found was in Sind. If we do away with this partition any day, Sind should be the first piece of land that Shri G. Viswanathan (Wandiwash): should come back to India. I believe Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I riBe to wel­ that was the intention and idea of come this Bill on behalf of my party. Mr. Vajpayee when he reminded ms After twenty long years, wisdom has just now that it has not been fully dawned on this congress Government done by the amendment we are adopt- and they have brought forth this ing today. amending Bill to include Sindhi langu­ age. It is really a welcome proposal. But, at the same time, I would like to I want to sound one particular note remind the Government of another Bill of warning. In what we are doing brought forth by our hon. friend, Dr. now, and in the recent rulings we Karru Singhji to include Rajasthani have had at times I feel that we are also in the Eighth Schedule. The Gov­ straying away from the objective of ernment must not lose time to accept the Constitution. The entire objective the Bill. They must bring forward of the Constitution, indicated in the the Bill and it must be passed in this articles on language, is that the whole House without any opposition. There •of India will some day have one lang­ are so many language groups who uage, for inter-State official com­ want that their languages should be munication. That was the ob­ included in the Eighth Schedule. All jective with which the Consti­ of us have to welcome these proposals. tution was framed. While we amend There must be equality for all langu­ the 8th Schedule, I believe other ages. The hon. Member who spoKe amendments will be coming. There is before me said that other language* *n amendment of Dr. Kami Singhji should not be given the same status as for inclusion of Rajasthani which has Hindi. It is not correct to say that, been circulated to us. At times I feel because all languages, whether they that the main objective of the Con­ belong to the same Hindi group or stitution may be lost. When it adopt­ oth6r groups, must have equal status ed Hindi and English together, even as all of them are our national langu­ then it provided that some day English ages. Therefore, I would like to will have to be dropped and only remind the House that all the langu­ Hindi will remain. I have tried to ages must be given equal status in bring my amendment for the inclusion our Constitution and one language of Sanskrit along with Hindi so that should not dominate over other langu­ if any day Hindi is not acceptable all age groups. In that sense, Sir. I over India for inter-State and Centre- welcome this amending Bill. State official communication, then Sanskrit may be used for that pur­ pose. I have not been able to persuade the Government to accept my amend­ Shri A. V. Patti (Ahmednagar): *Mr. ment. In any case, I shall feel grate­ Deputy Speaker, Sir, 1 rise to support ful if the Government and our hon. the Bill particularly, to include Sindhi friends in the House remember that as one of the national languages. ‘ The Original speech was delivered in MarathL 3J9I Constitution CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) (21*t Arndt.) Bill 3592

Sindhi should have beta included in ment but certainly I can tell from my the national languages long hack. own experience of Maharashtra ad­ Some Injustice has been done to this ministration about five years ago. language and now that is sought to be Maharashtra accepted this language rectified. I am happy to associate my­ for the UPSC examination long before self with this Bill. we thought of accepting it here. Sindhi was accepted as a language as * According to me, Sind and Sindhi medium for examinationeui the secon­ have got a great past. The Sindhi,! dary schools. That is the most that is after partition is lost to us, but not being done by all the' States. Maha­ the Sindhi language. Hindhi has re- . rashtra is not lagging behind. suited from Sindh and Hindi from Sindhi. This language is rich and old.^ Shri A. V. PatU: The Maharashtra From the point of view of literature Government has failed to encourage and journalism Sindhi could be equat­ Sindhi literature and journalism. ed with either Marathi or Gujarati. Under tht British rule, when Sindh was part of Bombay Presidency, the langu­ age Sindhi was given recognition and sft arraf (*«rii-?rfen»r) : was given adequate help for its growth. But after we became inde­ % ffcpt gtst f*rr g 1 5*1 pendent, and on account of partition, Sindhi brothers came to India from §*t rpr tr *T5r v srt Pakistan. We had not done any jus­ % f% ftr# OTiJ'T TT tice to this language. Sindhi was st * 5 *rm arwft kept out of the Constitution for nearly sixteen years. After this long suffer­ ing Sindhi has sought a place of wro flftsK fanft *rrt honour in Bhasha-Bhagini. Sindhis % tor spread all over India, have tried to learn the regional language of the 5TT W j)? ?T?T ^ regions. We should also reciprocate. Tfsfl" 'rscfY | f«F 3ft ?«TTt % Today will be the day of rejoicing « n f r 15 ?rm % *nr, jjTsft for the Sindhi brothers and sisters. 1965 % M w Jr Let us all associate with their feelings. entm inrsft m ftrs After inclusion of Sindhi in the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution, Govern­ i , Ssht ft srfNr w ment of India and State Governments % f?!* Vt TT OrsfTT I, $*TT will have to take steps to help for the growth of Sindhi. All the sections of snn'T *f?ft vt wtr v tf wm* this House who have supported the sm r 1 1 Bill should also take keen interest in the development of Sindhi. The State gqTBwr Hifpnr, of Maharashtra deserves praise in this respect. I thank the Home Minister ?rrs fcf vr »r?r iraitJ t 1 for piloting this Bill and again express S f«P fiRft

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TORT $ I at 3TCPT ¥ t )jf*W I« *PC % qro% q r fawm tor ^ 1 1 art if **rt |, snrra- *St arp- ft»ft wnr f^faT^ ^ft <£nrra ^rw^ft % m«r arerf^ ftnn arw fir? «m r *? % % jtstot «ft# ^ * tt *ftT ^ r ^ t sftn *rrsft ^Rrnr *f arnfhr fiftw tt apWT»ft ftnfc f ^ M s rf? T H+ I flW Tt »ii^0 4411 if vr<44^ mft jfsrin if i tor *ftr *mt Hraft if ici Tt VTT*T VT%" TT 1 VT *i0< Tt «r*t to tt dl^<5 TT3T J I IftnI ^ I ^ V^FfxT %, '"inh fv^t vftrr h t ^ t , w t % mn5r *rf srrer Shri P. Venkatssnbbaiah (Nandyal): tol Tt ^ f*F % TO r«i« aOsh TT Sir, I move for closure of the discus­ sion on this Bill . . . (Interruptions). ?>TT -srTf^ *JT «Wf++Hcft ?t nC lw * T T m T t *t^ l Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I will permit pT'T TWT ^ I ?ft TJ^ft ^ one more speaker, in Sindhi language. That will 'be the last speech, after f3T«ff% Tt Tt^PT^" Tt ^ftHn which I will call the Minister. ^ rm^rhr ^ r fen | 1 # »psj t *tto anr em^fhr ttctt g fr 3 wtw *r%w ?r Shri S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): Sir, you have not given opportunity to us. %rrar g sftr itrt w ra srtor Tt fom m ir^ft fr’TTO^r ^ fara% ?raiH Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: You ^ •jj^M ritih!^ may not give much time, but every T T % % f^TTT * n i % «T^% t ^ T T t | I party must be given some time. Shri S. M. Banerjee: Representa­ tives of some parties have not spoken sprnr fre t F ftrr srr^ar, Jf wrr q?t at all . . . . (Interruptions). *K .R } > 4 r l % f?TTT trap 3fT?r ^ T P T % ?TT*T% 5T3T TT^ TT -q ifid l g f T W TW H $ ¥ l Mr. Deputy-Speaker: We have to conclude by 4 o’clock because we have ^ fr f*ns "35 1TTH% jf wf?T d-HIH to take up non-official business at 4 5jRrrf % *rra% if t^p ?ft* *t | sfa o’clock.

ars *r? f? o t ^ srtr srarnff Tt Shri Surendranath Dwivedy: If it is «ft ^fft crftr Hr rrarrta fw r | ftrcr taken up five minutes later, that does ?TTtT ?f ^ Tt ntivflM fVUT | I not matter. You can give two minutes Tt

Sim M. S. M auai (Rajkot): Why. included in the Eighth Schedule o f Sir, should you delay the division? "We our Constitution. For doing that it have other commitments. We support has taken us seventeen years. Lot o f the closure . . . (Interruption). Sindhis have settled down in Gandhi Dham in Kutch from where I come. I Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I will put the congratulate the Home Minister tor question after one Sindhi speech. this action with these words I sit- down. Shri S. M. Banerjee: This is injustice. You do not allow a party to express Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Shri Lakka— its view. What is this? (Interruption) PPa. Shri H. N. Mukerjee (Calcutta. Shri Nath Pal: It is important. Give North East): Why do you not call re­ two minutes for each party lead'a- . . . (Interruption). I am not going to presentatives of different parties and bludgeon you. I am going to appeal to groups? You are calling only some people. This kind of discrimination you and to the Leader of the House... (Interruption). This matter is of the is being practised because some peo­ greatest emotional importance to tne ple are polite. House. You must make it possible for Mr. Deputy-Speaker: I am very the leaders of the different parties 10 sorry. be heard on this vital issue. You may cut down the time, 'but we cannot be Shri H. N. Mukerjee: Impoliteness a party to this that spokesmen of the has a premium in this House and you leading parties are not heard. The are encouraging it. Bill may be very small but its signi­ Mr. Deputy - Speaker: Most of the- ficance is very great to us. Therefore, I appeal to the Leader of the House leaders have spoken. Only a few parties are to be heard. that she should take some interest in this matter. She should agree that Shri H. N. Mukerjee: 1 do not wish- the spokesmen of the parties should to hear my own voice, but my party be heard. If necessary, let us extend wishes to be heard. Because we be­ the time. I arm to introduce the first have politely, we are treated in this Bill. I am prepared to wait but 1 way. If shabby treatment follows- hope you will not ignore this appeal. politeness, you know what will hap­ pen. You can go ahead with it. Shri Kamalnayan Bajaj (Wardha): We are also wanting to speak. Shri Shri Chand Goel (Chandigarh): Kindly take up Private MemSers’ Some hon. Members rose— business at 4.30 so that all Members can be accommodated. They' have- Mr. Deputy-Speaker: If the House their sentiments to express...... agrees, I suggest that we take up (Interruption). non-official business at 4.15. Shri S. M. Banerjee: I was the first man to give the name of the Mem­ ber who will speak from my party. Some boo. Members: We agree. Shri K. liakkappa (Tuirikur): Mr. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Every speaker Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I support this. will take not more than two minutes. Constitution (Amendment) Bill which Shri T. M. Sheth. makes Sindhi as orie“dI the languages of the Eighth Schedule of our Cons­ Shri T. M. Sheth* (Kutch): I am titution. The Constitution envisage* happy that Sindhi language is being that no language should be treated!

•Original speech was delivered Sindhi. j £6 l Constitution APRIL 7, 1M7 (21st Arndt.) BUI 3 602 [Shri K. Lakkappa] ■with scant respect and that the Gov- *ft wnmn : 3»n*«wr -erament should protest and respect the rights of linguistic minorities in to *nft aft % aft ftp * aft aft the country. The Linguistic Minorities % awr mv tftr ’Commission Report has suggested arm vrA tt fiw 5 several proposals and has also given <.ai jj fa> JtiH *)r *f?ft aft a?tf fa c to r a^ia^TH^raft There is one other point that I want arm aft aft Tra^ftar arrroft if arrfaar ~to TnaKe and that is about me compe­ a>x f^TT arntm 1 a^rarft arm aftr titive examinations which are held farfir srti^T ^ ft t . fip ft t 1 now only in two languages, tnat is. &iglish and Hindi. I request tnat aft % s t *rf ?rr? at, w, *r f 1 ?TfTaft hereatter, in competitive examina- afTTfn«icfY if f3lT^ aft dlsK if fsre^TT ~tions, every regional language 1 1 ^rrft arm aft should be allowed to be used. It is only then that we are going to respect TT 5ITO 5>TT ^Tffif 1 $at aft « IW I the Constitution, the very spirit of the fW t Mtf^t fsp W arm if artPiT w Constitution, in the matter of enquality 3% 1 aaft f t WRIT | «PTT an? of opportunity as envisaged in Article 16 of our Constitution. I hope and ftrstft aft anfirer % wt* *ercft aft trust that the hon. Home Minister will wfirenr *f arm % 3r arrfim give thought to this and he will go into all the aspects of it. # w aft

urorif'fr^JT’nTrti a language called Manipuri, spoken by the people in Manipur; it is also t Tt^fOT I tflrT JTfT ?r SOT ftT T a link language for the tribalg there; fas^i *f ==raT w m i-^ ^ this language is spoken by more than it 'cH+t q*^ farr *PTT if I ten lakhs of people and by the Manl- puri people living in Assam, outside *ft -j^w'V «rm w 5TTf*nr Manipur. Because of this, I will take ftsifr arnrr «ejrt h t t f t t 5 • this opportunity to place before this House, while recognising Sindhi as one if wV qgrT % falFT t fa fa^cT %■ of the languages, while passing this «rn? t srtT $ spjtt* ^tpt ^ t? f 1 Bill, that some more amendments be

Bajaj, Shri Xamalnayaa Gowder, Shri Nanja Masuria Di», Shri Bajpai, Shri Shashihhu- Gupta, Shri Lakhanlal Mayavan, Star! ihnt Gupta, Shri Ram Kishan Meetha Lai, Shri Bajpai, Shri Vidy* Dhar Haidar, Shri K. Meghachandra, Shri 1C. Banerjee, Shn. S. M. Hazarika, Shri J. N. Mehta, Shri Asoka Shri E> . Hem Raj, Shri Menon, Shri Govind* Barupal, Shri F. I* Himatsingka, Shri Menon, Shri V. V. Basu, Shri Jyotirmoy Hirji, Shri Minimata, Shrimati Basra, SJiri S. C. Agam Daa Guru Bhadoria, Shn Axjun rqbal Singh, Shri Mirza, Shri Bakar Alf Singh Jadhav, Shri Tulshidas Mishra, Shri Bibhuti Bhagal, Shri B. R. Jadhav. Shri V. N. Mishra, Shri G. S. Bhakt Darshan, Snrl Mohammad Yusuf, Shri Bhargava, Shri B. N. Jageshwar. Shri Mohan Swarup, Shri Jaggaiah. Shri K. Mohasin, Shri Bhattacharyya, ShU C. ft- Molahu, Shri Bhola Nath, Shri Jagjiwan Ram, Shri Mon dal, Shri J. K. Bist. Shri J. B. S. Jomir, Shri S. C. Mondal, Dr. P. Bohra, Shri Onkarial Jamna Lai. Shri Mrityunjay Prasad, Shri Brahm Prakash, Shri Mudrika Singh, Shri Buta Singh, Sfcri Janardhanan. Shri C. Mukerjee, Shri H. N. ChaKrapani, Snn V* . Jena. Shri D. D. Mukerjee, Shrimati Chanda, Shrimati ^yoU1^ Jha. Shri S. C. Sharda Chandra Shekhar Singn, Muthusami, Shri C. Shri Kachawai, Shri Hukam Nahata, Shri Amrit Chatterji, Shri Krishna Chand Naidu, Shri Chengalrajr* Kumar . Kahandole, Shri Z. M. Naidu. Shri Ramabadxa Chaturvedi, Shri R. U. Kamalanathan, Shri TCaik, Shri G. C. Chaudhary, Shri NitiraJ Kamble. Shri Naik, Shri R. V. Singh „ Kandanpan. Shri S. Nnnda. Shri Chavan, Shri D. R. Kami Singh, Dr Nath Pai. Shri Chavan, Shri Y. B. Katham, Shri B. N. Navar, Dr. Sushila Choudhury, Shri Valmikl Kavadc. Shri B. R. Nihal, Shri Damani, Shri S. R. Kedar Paswan. Shri Onkar Singh. Shri Dandekor, Shri N. Keshri, Shri Siteram Oraon. Shri Kartik Das, Shri N. T. Khan, Shri Aimal Padanatha, Shri Muham- Dass, Shri C. Khan, Shri Ghayoor Ali med S. Deiveekan, Shri Khan, Shri Lntafat Ali Pahadia, Shri Khan, Shri M. A. Pandey. K. N. Deo, Shri K. P. Singh Khan, Shri Zulflquar Pandev, Shri Sarjoo Deoghare, Shri N. R. Ali Pandey, Shri Vishwa Desai, Shri Morarji Khanna. Shri P. K. Nath Deshmukh, Shri B. D. Kinder Lai, Shri Panigrahi, shri Chinta- Deshmukh, Shri K. G. Kotnki, Shri Liladhar mani Deshmukh, Shri Shivaji- KrishnamooT-thi. Shri V. Pant, Shri K. C. rao S. Krishnan, Shri G. Y. Pnrmar, Shri D. R. Devgun, Shri Hardayal Kuchelar, Shri G. Parmer. Shri Bhaljibhal Dhillon, Shri G. S. Kureel. Shri B. N. Partnp Singh, Shri Dhirendranath, Shri Kushok Bakula. Shri Parthnsnrathy, Shri Dhuleshwar Meena, Shri Kushwah, Shri Y. S. Patel, Shri J. H. Dinesh Singh, Shri Lakkappa. Shri K. Patel, Shri Manubhai Dipa, Shri A. Lakshmikantamma, Patil, Shri A. V. Dixit, Shri G. C. Shrimati Patil, Shri Deorao Dwivedy, Shri Surendra­ Lalit Sen, Shri Patil, Shri G. D. nath Lnskar, Shri N. R. Patil. Shri N. R. Laxmi Bai, Shrimati Patfl, Shri S. B. Bring, Shri D. T.imaye. Shri Modhu Patil, Shri S D. Esthose, Shri P. P, l utfal Waque. Shri Pstil. Shri T. A.. Fernandes, Shri Gporge Madho Ram, Shri Pradh-ini, Shri K. Gajraj Singh Hao, Shri Marihnkar. Shri K. M. Pramanik. Shri J. N. Gandhi. Shrimati Indira Mahadeva Prasad, Dr. Prasad. Shri Y. A. Ganesh, Shri K. R. Maharai Singh, Shri Puri, Dr. Surya PralcaA Ganpa Devi, Shrimati Maihi, Shri M. Qureshi, Shri Shaffl Ganpat Sahsd, Shri Malhotra, Shri Inderjit Raghu Ramaiah, Shri Gavit, Shri Tukaram Mandal, Shri Yamuna Rajasekharan, Shri Ghosh, Shri Bimalkanti Prasad Raju, Shri D. B. Ghosh, Shri P. K. Mane, Shri Shankarrao Ram Kishan. Shri Girja Kumari. Shrimati Mangalathumadom, Shri Ram Singh, Shri Girraj Saran Singh, Shri Manoharan. Shri Ram Subhag Singh, Dr. Gopalan, Shri P. Marandi, Shri Ram, Shri T. Govind Daa, Dr. Masani, Shri U. R. 3607 Constitution CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) (21*t Amdt.) Bill 3608

Bam Charan, Shri Santosham, Dr. M. Sinha. Shrimati Tarkeah- Ram Sewak, Shri Satya Narain Singh, wari Ramani, Shri K. Shri Sivasankaran, Shri Rampur Mahadevappa, Sayyad Ali, Shri Snatak, Shri Nar Deo Shri Sen, Shri Deven Solanki. Shri S. M. Ramshekhar Prasad Sen, Shri Dwaipayan Somani. Shri N. K. Singh, Shri Sen, Shri P. G. Sonar, Dr. A. G. Rana, Shri M. B. Sequeira, Shri Sonavane, Shri Randhir Singh, Shri Sethi, Shri P. C. Sondhi, Shri M. L Rane, Shri Sethuramae. Shri N. Sreedharan, Shri A. Rao, Shri Jaganatb Sezhiyan, Shri Sundarsanam, Shri M. Rao, Dr. K. L. Shat^ Shrimati Jayaben Supakar, Shri Sradhakar Rao, Shri K. Narayana Shah, Shri Manabendra Suryanarayana, Shri K. Rao, Shri Muthyai Shah, Shri Shantilal Swaran Singh, Shri Rao, Shri J. Ramapathi Shambhu Nath, Shri Swell, Shri Rao, Shri Rameshwar Sharda Nand, Shri Tarodekar, Shri V. B. Rao, Shri Thirumala Sharma, Shri B. S. Tiwary. Shri D. N. Rao, Dr. V. K. R. V. Sharma, D. C. Tiwary. Shri K. N. Ray, Shri Rabi Sharma, Shri N. S. Tripathi, Shri K. D. Reddi. Shri G. S. Sharma, Shri Shiv Tula Ram, Shri Reddy, Shri Eswara Sharma, Shri Yajna Datt Tulsidas, Shri Reddy, Shri Ganga Sharma. Shri Yogendra Uikey, Shri M. G. Reddy, Shri P. Antony Shastri Shri B. N- Ulaka, Shri Rama* Reddy, Shri Surendar Shastri, Shri R. chandra Rohatgi, Shrimati Sus- Shastri. Shri Ramanand Vajpayee, Shri A. B. hila Shastrv. shri SheOpujan Veerappa, Shri Rama- Roy. Shri Bishwanath Shen Nnrain. Shri chandra Roy, Shrimati Uma Sheth. Shri T. M. Venkatasubbaiah. Shri Saboo, Shri Shrigopal Shinkre. Shri P. Sadhu Ram, Shri Shiv Chandrika Prasad, Verma, Shri Balgovind Saha. Dr. S. K. Shri Verma, Shri Prem Salci'm, Shri M. Y. Shukla. Shri S. N. Chand Salve. Shri N. K. P. Shukla, Shri Vidya Viswambharan. Shri P. Samanta, Shri S. C. Charan Viswanathan, Shri G. Siddayya, Shri Sambandhan, Shri S. K. Sidheshwar Prasad. Shri Yadab, Shri N. P. Sanghi, Shri N. K. Singh, Shri D. N. Yadav, Shri Chandra Sanji Rupji, Shri Sineh. Shri J. B. Jeet, .. Sankata Prasad, Dr. Sinha. Shri Satya Sant Bux Singh, Shri Narayan Yashpal Singh, Shri NOES: Nil Shri Shashibhushan Bajpai (Khar- of the total membership of the House gone): The apparatus on my table is and by a majority of not less than not working. two-thirds of the Members present Shri Badrudduja (Murshidabad): I and voting. want to vote for ‘Ayes’. My vote had The motion wax adopted. been wrongly recorded. Clause Z—(Amendment of Eighth Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The result Schedule) of the division is: Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question is Ayes: 306: Noes: Nil. “That Clause 2 stand part of the The motion is carried by a majority Bill”. The Lok Sabha divided: Division No. 8 ] AYES [16.20 hr*. Abraham, Shri K. M. Asgar Husain, Shri Banerjee, Shri S. M. Achal Singh, Shri Atam Das, Shri Barua, Shri Bedabrata Adichan. Shri P. C. Avdhesh Chandra Singh, Barua, Shri R. Agadi, Shri S. A. Shri Barupal. Shri P. L Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Avnrwal, Shri Ram Basu, Shri Jyotirmoy Ram Simrh Berwa. Shri Onkar Lai Ahmad. Dr. I. Babunath Singh. Shri Ahmed, Shri P. A. Besra. Shri S. C. " Ahmed. Shri J. Badrudduja, Shri Bhadoria, Shri Arjun Amat, Shri D. Bajaj, Shri Kamalnayan Singh Amin, Shri Ramchandra Bajpai, Shri Shashibhu­ Bhaeat. Shri B. R. J. shan Bhakt Darahan, Shri Anjanappa, shri B. Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar Bhargava, Shri B. N. 3609 Constitution APRIL 7, 1B07 (21st (Arndt.) Bill 3 G1 0 Bhattachaxyya, Shri C. Himatsingka, Shri Mirza, Shri Bakar All K. Hirji, Shri Mishra, Shri Bibhutl Bhola Nath, Shri Iqbal Singh, Shri Jadhav, Shri Tulshidaa Mishra, Shri G. S. Bist, Shri J. B. S. Jadhav, Shri V. N. Mohammad Yusuf, Shri Bohra, Shri Onkarlal Jageshwar, Shri Mohan Swarup, Shri Brahm Prakash, Shri Jaggaiah, Shri K. Mohasin, Shri Bata Singh, Shri Jagjiwan Ram, Shri Chakrapani, Shri C. K. Jamir, Shri S. C. Molahu, Shri Chanda, Shrimati Jamna Lai, Shri Mondal, Shri J. K. Jyotsna Jena, Shri D. D. Mondal, I>r. P. Chandra Shekhar Singh, Jha, Shri S. C. Mrityunjay Prasad, Shxi Shri Kachwai, Shri Hukam Mudrika Singh, Shri Chatterji, Shri Krishna Chand Mukerjee, Shri H. N. Kumar Kahandole, Shri Z. M. Muthusami, Shri C. Chaturvedi, Shri R. L. Kamalanathan, Shri Nageshwar, Shri Chaudhary, Shri Nitiraj Kamble, Shri Nahata, Shri Amrit Singh Kandappan, Shri S. Naidu, Shri Chengalraya Chavan, Shri D. R. Karni Singh, Dr. Naidu, Shri Ramabadra Chavan, Shri Y. B. Kasture, Shri A. S. Naik, Shri G. C. Chittybabu, Shri C. Katham, Shri B. N. Naik, Shri R. V. Chaudhury, Shri Val- Kavade. Shri B. R. Nanda, Shri miki Kedar Paswan, Shri Nath Pai, Shri Damani, Shri S. R. Keshri, Shri Sitaram Nayar, Dr. Sushila Dandeker, Shri N. Khan, Shri Ajmal Nihal, Shri Dange, Shri S. A. Khan, Shri Ghayoor Ali Onkar Singh, Shri J)as, Shri N. T. Khan, Shri Latafat Ali Oraon, Shri Kartik Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Khan, Shri Zulfiquar Padanatha, Shri Muham- Uass1 Shri C. Ali med S. Deiveekan, Shri Khanna. Shri P. K. Padmavati Devi, Shrl- Deo, Shri K. P. Singh Kinder Lai, Shri mati Deoghare, Shri N. R. Kisku, Shri A. K. Pahadia, Shri Desai, Shri Morarji Kotoki, Shri Liladhar Pandey, Shri K. N. Deshmukh, Shri B. D. Krishnamoorthi. Shri V. Pandey, Shri Sarjoo Deshmukh, Shri K. G. ICrishnan, Shri G. Y. Pandey, Shri Vishwa Deshmukh, Shri Shivaji- Kuchelar, Shri G. Nath rao S. Kureel, Shri B. N. Panigrahi, Shri Chinta- Devsun, Shri Hardayal Kushok Bakula. Shri mani Dhillon, Shri G. S. Kvishwah, Shri Y. S. Pant, Shri K. C. Dhirenriranath, Shri Lakkappa. Shri K. Parmar, Shri D. R. Uhulpshwar Meena, Shri Lakshm ikantamma, Parmer. Shri Bhaljibhai Dinesh Sm"h. Shri Shrimati Partap Singh, Shri T)>i>n. Shri A. Lalit Sen. Shri Partha.'arathy, Shri Di\it, Shri G. C. Laskar, Shri N. R. Patel. Shri J. H. Div ivody. Shri Suren- Laxmi Bai, Shrimati Patel, Shri Manubhai drannlh Limaye. Shri Madhu Patel, Khri Pashabhai T0rin'>.. Shri D. Lutfal Haque, Shri Patil, Shri A. V. Shri P. P. Madhti Ram, Shri Pati). Shri Poorao rivrrin'ios, Shri George Madhukar, Shri K. M. Patil. Shri G. D. Ga.ir/ij Sinflh Rao, Shri Mahadevn Prasad. Dr. Patil, Shri N. R. Gandhi, .Shrimati Indira Maharaj Singh, Shri Patil, Shri S. B. Onn<".h. Shri K . R. Mnity, Shri S. N. Patil, Shri S. D. Gam»T Devi. Shrimati Mi'.ihi. Shri M. Patil. Shri T. A. Gann.tt Snhai. Shri Mn'txMra. Shri Tnderjit Prndhani. Shri K. Shri C. D. Malimr-.riyappa, Shri Pramanik. Shri J. N. f»avi!. shri Tukaram Mnndal. Shri Yamuna Prasad. Shri Y. A. Gava’ri Devi. Shrimati Prasad Puri. Dr. Surya Prakash Ghosh. Shri B!m.->lkanti Mane. Shri Shnnkarrao Qurpshi. Shri Shaffl Ghojs'i. Shri G.-mosh Manf'nl'i'Himndom. Shri Rcsjhu R^maiah. Shri ntv'.ch. Shri P. K. Mirmwll, Shri Rai-m> Gandha. Kumari Girin Kumnri. Shrimati Mi^ni. Shri M. R. Raiasekharan. Shri Girrni Snrrn Sin^h, Shri Masuria Dip. Shri Raju, Shri D. B. Gopalan. Shri P. Shri Ram Kishan, Shri Govind Dns. r>>\ Mfipthn T.,n1. Shri Ram Subhac Singh, Dr. Gowder. ShTi Nanja Moehaehnndrn. Shri M. Ram. Shri T. "Gupta. Shri I,iikhr>nlal Mehta. P'-ri Asoka Ram Charan, Shri Gunta. Shri Rf>m Kishan Mnnon Shri n nvinda Ram Dhan, Shri Haldnr. Shri K. Menon. Shri V. V. Ram Sewak. Shri Hazarika, Shri J. N. Minimata. Shrimati Ramnni. Shri K. Hem Raj, Shri Agam Dass Guru Ramji Ram, Shri 36XX Constitution CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) (21st Amdt.) Bil* 3613 Rampur Mahadevappa, Sen, Shri A. K. Sinha, Shrimati Tarkesh- Shri Sen, Shri Deven w ari Ramsnekhar Prasad Sen, Shri Dwaipayan Sivasankaran, Shri Singh, Shri Sen, Shri P. O. Snatak, Shri Nar Deo Rana. Shri M. B. Sequeira, Shri Solanki, Shri S. M. Bandhir Singh, Shri Sethi, Shri P. C. Somani, Shri N. K. Kane, Shri Sethuramae, Shri N. Sonar, Dr. A. G. Rao, Shri Jaganath Sezhiyan, Shri Sonavane, Shri Rao, Dr. K. L. Shah, Shrimati Jayaben Sondhi, Shri M. L. Kao. Shri K. Narayana Shah, Shri Manabendra Sreedharan, Shri A. Rao, Shri Muthyai Shah, Shri Shantilal Sudarsanam, Shri M. Rao, Shri J. Ramapathl Shambhu 'Nath, Shri Supakar, Shri Sradhakar Rao, Shri Rameshwar Shankaranand, Shri Suryanarayana, Shri K. Rao. Shri Thirumala Sharda Nand, Shri S war an Singh, Shri Rao, Dr. V. K. R. V. Sharma, Shri B. S. Swell, Shri Ray, Shri Rabi Sharma, Shri D. C. Tarodekar, Shri V. B. Reddi, Shri G. S. Sharma, Shri N. S. Tiwary, Shri D. N. Reddy, Shri Eswara Sharma, Shri Shiv Tiwary, Shri K. N. Reddy, Shri Ganga Sharma, Shri Yajna Datt Tripathi, Shri K. D. Reddy, Shri P. Antonv Sharma, Shri Yogendra Tula Ram, Shri Reddy Shri Surendar Shastri, Shri B. N. Uikey, Shri M. G. Rohatgi, Shrimati Sus- Shastri, Shri R. Ulaka, Shri Rama- hila Shastri, Shri Ramanand chandra Roy, Shri Bishwanath Shastri, Shri Sheopujan Umanath, Shri Roy, Shrimati Uma Sheo Narain, Shri Vajpayee, Shri A. B. Saboo, Shri Shrigopal Sheth, Shri T. M. Veer ap pa, Shri Rama* Sadhu Ram, Shri Shinkre, Shri Chandra Saha. Dr. S. K. Shiv Chandika Prasad, Venkatasubbaiah, Shri Saleem, Shri M. Y. Shri P. Salve, Shri N. K. P. Shukla, Shri S. N. Verma, Shri Balgovind Samanta, Shri S. C. Shukla, Shri Vidya Verma, Shri Prem Sambandhan, Shri S. K. Charan Chand Sanghi, Shri N. K. Siddayya, Shri Vidyarthi, Shri R. S. Sanji Rupji, Shri Sidheshwar Prasad, Shri Viswambharan, Shri P. Sankata Prasad, Dr. Singh, Shri D. N. Viswanathan, Shri G. Sant Bux Singh, Shri Singh, Shri D. V. Vadal, Shri, N. P. Santosham, Dr. M. Singh, Shri J. B. Yadav, Shri Chandra Satya Narain Singh, Sinha, Shri Satya Jeet Shri Narayan Y ash pal Singh, Shri Sayyad Ali, Shri NOES Tapuriah, Shri S. K. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The result These may be adopted by simple of the division is: majority. The question is: Ayes: 326; Noes: 1 “That clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Title stand part Shri Nath Pal: Who is It that says of the BUI. ” ‘No’? Is it a mistake? Mr. Deputy-Speaker: We have as­ The motion was adopted. certained his views. I announce the result. The motion Is carried by a Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and majority of the total membership of the Title were added to the Bill. the House and by a majority of not Shri I . B. Chavan: sir, I move: less than two-thirds of the Members present and voting. “That the Bill be passed.” The motion was adopted. Mr. Deputy- Speaker: The question Clause 2 was added to the Bill. i«: Mr. Depaty-Speaker: I shall now pot “That the Bill be passed." clauae 1, the Enacting Formula and Hie Title to the vote o f the House. T7ie Lok Sabha divided: 3613 Constitution APRIL 7, 1967 <21*t (Amdt.) Bill 3614

Division No. 9] AXES [16.28 hn. Abraham, Shri K. M. Deshmukh, Shri Shiva- Kedar Paswan, Shri Achal Singh, Shri jirao S. Keshri, Shri Sitaram Adichan, Shri P. C. Devgun, Shri Hardayai Khan, Stir: Ajmai Agadi, Shri S. A. Khan, Shri Ghayoor Ali Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Devinder Singh, Shri Khan, Shri Latafai Aii Ram Dhillon, Shri G. S. Khan, Shri Za/fiquer Ahmad, Dr. I. Dhirendranath, Shri Ali Ahmed, Shri F. A. Khanna, Shri V K. Ahmed, Shri J. Dhuleshwar Meena, Shri Kinder Lai Shri Amin, Shri Ramchandra Dipa, Shri A. Kisku, Shii A. K. J. Dixit, Shri G. C. Kotoki. Shri Liladhar Anjanappa, Shri B. Krishna. Shri M. R. Ankineedu, Shri Dwivedy, Shri Surendra- Kri&hnamoorthi, Shri V. Asgar Husain, Shri nath Krishnan, Shri G. Y. Atam Das, Shri Avdhesh Chandra Singh, Bring, Shri D. Kuchelar, Shri G. Shri Esthose, Shri P. P. Kureel, Sh’-- B. N. Babunath Singh, Shri Fernandes, Shri George Badrudduja, Shri Kushok Bakula, Shri Bajaj, Shri Kamalnayan Gajraj Singh Rao, Shri Kushwah, Shri Y. S Bajpai, Shri Shashi- Gandhi, Shrimati Indira Lakkappa, Shri K. bhusan Ganesh, Shri K. R. Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar Lakshmikantamma. Banerjee, Shri S. M. Ganga Devi. Shrimati Shrimati Barua, Shri Bedabrata Gan-pat Sahai, Shri Lalit Sen, Shri Barua, Shri R. Gautam, Shri C. D. Laskar, Sh»-i N. R. Barupal, Shri P. L. Basu, Shri Jyotirmoy Gavit, Shri Tukaram Laxmi Bai, Shr.mati Bhadoria, Shri Arjun Gayatri Devi, Shrimati Limaye, Shri Madhu Singh Bhagat, Shri B. R. Ghosh. Shri Bimalkanti Lobo Prabhu, Shri Bhakt Darshan, Shri Ghosh, Shri P. R. Lutfal Haq!'-*. 'ihri Bharat Singh, Shri Girja Kumari, Shrimati Bhargava, Shri B. N. Madho Ram. Shri Bhattacharyya, Shri Girraj Saran Singh, Shri Madhukar, Shri K. M Gounder, Shri C. Mahadeva rYii-ad. Vr. Muthusamv Maharaj Singh, Shr: Bhola Nath, Shri Govind Das,” Dr. Mahida, Shri Narendra Bist, Shri J. B. S. Gowder. Shri Nanja Singh Bohra, Shri Onkarlal Gupta, Shri Lakhanlal Majhi, Shri M. Brahm Prakash, Shri Gupta, Shri Ram Kishan Malhotra, Shri Indc -jit Buta Singh, Shri Malimariyanc 1. Shri Chakrapani, Shri C. K. Haidar. Shri K. Mandal. Shri Yamuna Chanda, Shrimati Hazarika. Shri J. N. Prasad Jyotsna Hem Haj, Shri Mane, Shri Shankanao Chandrika Prasad. Shri Himatsingk’i, Shri Mangalath'imndom, Snii Chatterji, Shri Krishna Hirji, Shri Manoharan, *nri Kumar Iqbal Singh. Shri Marandi, Shii Chaturvedi, Shri R. L. Jadhav, Shri Tulshidas Masani, Shri AT. R. Chaudhary, Shri Nitirai Jadhav, Shri V. N. Masuria Din. Shri Singh . „ Jageshwar. Shri Jaggaiah, Shri K. May a van. Shri Chavan, Shri D. R. Meetha Lai, Shri Chavan, Shri Y. B. Jag ji wan Ram. Shri Meghachandra, Shri M. Chittybabu, Shri C. Jamir, Shri S. C. Mehta, Shri Asoka Choudhury, Shri ^ al- Jamna Lai, Shri Menon, Shri Govinda miki Janardhanan. Shri C. Menon, Shri V V. Damani, Shri S. R. Jena, Shri D. B. Minimata. Shrimati Dandeker, Shri N. Jha. Shri S. C. Agan Da?? Guru Dange, Shri S. A. Kachwai, Shri Hukam Mirza, Shri Bakar All Das, Shri N. T. Chand Mishra. Shri Bibhuii Dass, Shri C. Kahandole, Shri L. M. Mishra, Shri G. S. Delveekan, Shri Kamalanathan, Shri Mohammad Yusuf, Bhrl Deo. Shri K. P. Singh Kamble, Shri Mohan Swamp. Shri Deoghare, Shri N. R. Kameshwar Singh, Shri Mohasin, Shri Kandappan. Shri S. Molahu, Shri Desai, Shri Morarji Kami Singh, Dr Mondal, Shri J. K Deahmukh, Shri B. D. Kasture, Shri A. S. Mondal, D-. P. Katham, Shri B. N. Hrityunjay Prasad, Shri Deshmukh, Shri K. G. Kavade, Shri B. R. Mu&ika Singh, Shri 3 6 1 5 Constitution CHA1TRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) (21st Amdt.) Bill 3616

Mukerjee,. Shri H. N. Ramji Ram, Shri Sharma, Shri Yajna Nageshwar. Shri Rampur Mahadevarpa, Datt Naidu, Shr; Chengalraya Shri Sharma. Shri Yogendra Maidu, Shr: RaTrabaara Ramshekhar Prasad Shastri Shri B. N. Naik, Shri G. C. Singh, Shri Shastri, Shri R. Naik, Shri il. V. Rana, Shri M. B. Shastri, Shri Ramanantl Nanda, Shn Kandhir Singh, shri Shastry, Shri Sheopujan Nath Pai, Shri Rane, Shri Sheo Narain, Shri Nayanar, Shri E. K. Rao, Shri Jaganatb Sheth. Shri T. M. Nayar, Dr. Sushi la Rao, Dr. K. 1j. Shinkre, Shri Nihal, Shri Rao, Shri K. Narayana Shukia, Shri S. N. Nirlep Kaur. Shrimati Rao, Shri Muthyal Shukla, Shri Vidya Onkar Singh, Shri Rai, Shri J. Ramapathi Charan Oraon, Shri Kar*'k Rao, Shri Rameshwar Siddayya, Shn Padanatha, Slu-i Muham- Rao, Shri Thirumala Sidheshwar Prasad. Shri med S. Rao. Dr. V. K. R. V. Singh, Shri D. N. Padmavati Devi. Shri- Ray, Shri Rabi Singh, Shri V. V. mati Rcddi, Shri G. S. Singh, Shri J. B. Pahadia, Shri J. X. Reddy, Shri Eswara Sinha. Shn Satya Pandey, Shri Sarjoo Reddy, Shri Ganga Narayan Pandey, Shri Vish« * Reddy, Shri P. Antony Sinha, Shrimati Tar- Nath Reddy, Shri Surendar keshwavi Panigrahi. Shri Chinta- Rohatgi, Shrimati Sus- Sivasankaran, Shri mani hila ’ Snatak, Shri Nar Deo Pant, Shri K. C. Roy, Shri Bishwanath Solanki, Shri S. N. Parmar, Shri D. K. Roy, Shrimati Uma Somani, Shri N. K. Parmer, Shri Bhaljibhai Saha, Shri S. K. Sonar. Dr. A. G. Partap Singh, Shri Sallem, Shri M. Y. Sonavane, Shri Parthasarathy, Shri Salve, Shri N. K. Sondhi, Shri M. L. Patel, Shri J. H. Samanta. Shri S. C Sreedharan, Shri A. Patel, Shri Manubhai Sambandhan. Shri S. K. Supakar, Shri Sradhakar Patel, Shri Pashabhai Sanghi. Shri N. K. Suryanarayana, Shri K. Patil, Shri A. V. Sanji Rupji, Shri Swaran Singh, Shri Patil, Shri Deorao Sankata Prasad. Dr. Swell, Shri Patil, Shri N. R. Sant Bux Singh. Shri Tarodekar, Shri V. J». Patil, Shri S. B. Santosham, Dr. M. Tiwary, Shri D. N. Patil, Shri S. D. Satya Narain . Singh, Tiwary, Shri K. N. Patil, Shri T. A. Shri Tripathi, Shri K. D. Patodia. Shri D. N. Sayyad Ali, Shri Tula Ram, Shri Pradhani. Shri K. Sen. Shri A. K. Tulsidas Dasappa. Shri Pramanik. Shri J. N. Sen. Shri Deven Uikey, Shri M. G. Puri, Dr. Surya Prakash Sen, Shri Dwaipayan Ulaka, Shn Rama- ■Qureshi. Shri Shaffl Sen. Shri P. G. chandra Raghu Ramaiah, Shri Sequeira. Shn Umanath, Shri Rajani Gandha, Kumarl Sethi, Shri P. C. Vajpayee, Shri A. B. Rajasekharan, Shri Sethuramae. Shri N. Veerappa, Shri Rama- Raju, Shri D. B. Sezhiyan, Shri chandra Ram Kishan, Shri Shah, Shrimati Jayaben Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. Ram Singh Agarwai, Shah, Shri Manabendra Verma, Shri Balgovind Stud Shah, Shri Shantilal Vidyarthi, Shri R. S. Ham Subhag Singh, Shambhu Nath, Shri Viswambharan, Shri P. Dr. Shankaranand. Shri Viswanathan, Shri G. Ram, Shri T. Sharda Nand, Shri Yadab, Shri N. P. Ram Charan, Shri Sharma, Shri B. S. Yadav, Shri Chandra Ram Dhan. Shri Jeet Ram Sewak, Shri Sharma, Shri D. C. Yashpal Singh, Shri Ramani, Shri K. Sharma, Shri N. S. NOES: Nil Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The result House and by a majority of not less • f the division is: than two-thirds of the Members pre­ Ayes*: 326; Noes: Nil sent and voting. The motion is carried by a majo­ The motion tuas adopted. rity of the total membership of the

•Ayee: Shri P. Sivasankaran seeorded in vote twice. APHIL 7, 1967 36x8 16.30} bra. 16.31} hrs. CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL* CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL* (Amendment of article 368) (Amendment of the Eighth Schedule> «fT5TWirf (xnrrgxj : sttotw w Jstt t t ?tt g ft> trror % Dr. Kami Singh (Bikaner): I beg tffatrpT % SPPS®T 363 *f HUfltrT to move for leave to introduce a Bill further to amend the Constitution o f 5ft?^ AT ? f*OTT Tt TT?t ^ India. H'JhTcT £t v>(TST I Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question is: la: “That leave be granted to intro­ "That leave be graned to intro­ duce a Bill further to amend the duce a Bill further to amend the Constitution of India.” Constitution of India." The motion was adopted. The motion was adopted. Dr. Karni Singh: 1 introduce th » sftsr-’W if : f e m r Tt ^»r Bill. VTHTg I

16.32 hrs. 1CS1 hrs. PERSONAL LIBERTIES (RESTORA­ CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) TION) BILL* BILL •ft trerciw tfsrjr : 3 (Amendment of article 195) JTCn* TT^TT g fa VTTTtfta Z1X ^

(xrsrrgr) : ^ tptct WfafpPPT, 1885 B«fT iTTCfftT *TT ®TT *nfKnr, ^ JTT^SIT T75TT g fr «TTOT % wftrffpnr, 1 8 9 8 Jir t o tt^Y «n^ "#qf>RrT (SRim^T) wPrNR 1 55 if tfwtesr 3fr*% wr# T t T t jgtr Tt t t % Tt tft ir^irftr f t amr i «rnr i Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question Mr. Deputy -Speaker: The question is: is: "That leave be granted to intro­ "That leave be granted to intro* duce a Bill further to amend ‘ he duce a Bill further to amend the Constitution of India.” Indian Telegraph Act, 1885 and the Indian Post Office Act, 1898.” The motion xoas adopted. The motion was adopted. *ft »m m f : ff fVshrr Tt •ftnWW ftnj: tfirihnr vt^W TT W Jf I TtaT j I

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18.33 b n . PARLIAMENT (PREVENTION OF DISQUALIFICATION) AMEND­ 16.34 hrs. MENT BILL* CODE OF CIVIL PROCEDURE (Amendment of section 3) (AMENDMENT) BILL* •ft w rm r ftr? (*&*&) : t (Omittion of section 80) jrc?n*TTaT{jfr*re* (sR^irfinrm) *ft*wnf (TnrrjT) : smfsrr q faPwn, 1 9 5 9 *f *n»f w ttpr t ^ TT5tTg f r srfTUT *TffpTT, 1908 *rr$ fk&tw; Tt fa tt* Tt Jr’Ri^^prft^rTT* *nr * * ftw rr Tt spr*r% *ft «rrxr i f a tt* »ft eft arnr i Mr. Deputjr-Speaker: The question is: Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question is: “That leave be granted to intro­ duce a Bill further to amend the “That leave be granted to in­ Parliament (Prevention of Dls- troduce a Bill further to amend quliflcation) Act, 105B.” the Code of Civil Procedure. 1908.’* The motion 100s adopted. The motion was adopted.

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•Publis hed in GUtzefte of India Extra ordinary, Part II, Section 2. <«»-■ 7tb April, 1M7. 3 6 2 1 Constitution APRIL 7, 1967 (21st (Amdt.) Bill 3622 16.34* hrs. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: Let it be one hour for the time being. CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) BILL* Shri Seihtjin: If there are more speakers, I hope you will extend the (Amendment of articles 105 and 194) time. *rnwrf :

16.35 hrs. 16.37 hrs. -CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) (Shri G. S. D hilon in the Chair] BILL* The time is rapidly changing. (Insertion of new article 339 A) Those who are in the ruling party Shri Blddayya (Chamarajnagar): I are apt to be shifted to the opposi­ beg to move for leave to introduce a tion benches and vice versa. Langu­ Bill further to a mend the Constitu­ age is a permanent and perennial tion of India. question which should be considered above the party politics. Mr. Deputy-Speaker: The question is: Articles 15 and 16, which this Bill "That leave be granted to intro­ seeks to amend, deal with certain duce a Bill further to amend the fundamental rights which should be Constitution of India.” safeguarded if we are to have a soci­ ety based on justice, liberty, equility The motion was adopted. and fraternity, as are enshrined in the Pregtnble to the Constitution. This Shri Siddayya: I introduce the Bill. is further to enlarge and to give pro­ per shape to the aspirations given in 16.35} hrs. the Preamble. This will instill con­ CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT) fidence in the millions of people of BILL this country, who speak various (Amendment of articles 15 and 16) languages differing from one another. It will promote unity and preserve Shri BeAtyan (Kumbakonam): the friendliness and true spirit of "May I know the time allotted for this federalism. A little while ago the Bill? House unanimously passed a Bill to

•Published in Gazette of India Ex traordinary, Part n , Section 2t dated 7th April, 1967. 3623 Constitution CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) (A m *.) Bill 3624 include Sindhi in the Eighth Sche­ the ambit of this article 13(2). But If dule of the Constitution. I suppose you go through the recent judgment the some unanimity will be avail­ of the Supreme Court as well as the able for this Bill also. Just now Dr. definition given in article 13(2) it has Kami Singh introduced a Bill for been clearly stated what the position inclusion of Rajasthani in the Eighth is. What has been stated in article Schedule. The state of affairs in this 13(2) is: country is every linguistic group wants to be counted with the respcct "The State shall not make any and dignity due to it. law which takes away or abridges the rights. . . ” Before I proceed further with he merits of the Bill, I want to clear Tile Bill under consideration does not even at this stage certain objections contemplate to take away or abridge that may arise in the minds of those th? rights conferred by the Constitu­ who follow rne in speaking on this tion. It want^ to enhan.ee and im­ Bill. Recently the Suprem Court deli­ prove the rights given therein so much vered a lengthy judgement, arising so fnere is no con\Tnvt>TftT©n of tnrticlfc out of a petition on the 17th Amend­ 13(2). Therefore, if anybody has ment Act, on 28th February, wherein got any doubt whether we can bring it has been stated that it is beyond in a constitutional amendment the scope of Parliament to amend in affecting fundamental rights, it be­ a certain way the articles of the Cons­ comes void only to the extent if it titution pertaining to the fundamen­ takes away or abridges the rights al­ tal rights. On that scope, some may ready enshrined in the Constitution think that this Bill also is beyond the if you want to improve the position, scope of Parliament. The recent if you want to enlarge the fundament­ judgement, I submit, does not take al rights not contemplated by the away the powers of the Parliament. Constitution-makers or the previous Article 13(2) clearly states that Par­ amendments, then there is no bar set liament has got enough powers and by the recent judgment or by article more. 13(2).

Article 13(2) says: Therefore, even in the recent judg­ ment given by the Supreme Court the “The State shall not make any Chief Justice has amply clarified the law which takes away or abridges position. He has given a unique place the rights conferred by this Part and for the Preamble of the Constitution. any law made in contravention of He has said that it is not a simple this clause shall, to the extent of the introduction to the Constitution, it contravention, be void.” enshrines the spirit and the pith of the Constitution and the'Constitution You know, Sir, the judgments deli­ is only an enlarged edition of the vered in the two famous cases. In the Preamble. He has added that wha* Shankari Prasad case it was held by is said vn the Preamble forms the the Supreme Court that a Constitution basis, the foundation for the entire amendment does not come under the structure of the Constitution. Though definition of law as given In article it has been held previously that it 13(2) and, therefore, It was held that does not form part of the Constitution, the Parliament has got powers to do the Chief Justice of India in his judg­ this. Tt was again supported by the ment on the reewnt Seventeenth second case, the Sajjan Singh case, Amendment Act has said clearly that wherein also It was held that Parlia­ the Preamble to the Constitution ment has got the powers. Now the forms a very notable part In aacesatng Position has changed and Constitution the spirit of the Constitution. There amendment has been brought under we have said: 3625 Constitution APRIL 7, 1907 (Arndt.) Bill 626 [Shri Sezhiyan] “We, the people of India, having The article which I seek to amend, solemnly resolved to constitute namely, articles 15 and 18, have given India into a sovereign democratic the other grounds on which there republic and to secure to all its should be no discrimination. Article citizens: 15 says: Justice, social, economic and politi­ “No citizen shall, on grounds cal; only of religion, race, caste, sex, place of birth or any of them, be Liberty of thought, expression, be­ subject to any disability, liability, lief, faith and worship; restriction or condition....” Equality of status and of opportu­ This is a general clause which says nity; and to promote among them oil that no discrimination should be prac­ tised. Article 16 is more limited. It Fraternity assuring the dignity of says: the individual and the unity of the Nation;” “( 1) There shall be equality of opportunity for all citizens in mat­ Therefore, my recent amendment is ters relating to employment or a concrete expression to the equality, appointment to any office under fraternity, justice and liberty enshrin­ the State. ed in the Preamble. (2) No citizen shall, on grounds only otf religion, race, caste, sex, Again, article 19 also deals with descent, place of birth, residence fundamental rights. My amendment or any of them, be Ineligible for, also goes further to implement the or discriminated against in respect spirit if not the letter given in article of, any employment or office under 19, because under article 19 there is the State.” protection of certain rights regarding freedom of speech etc. One can move So, they have enumerated all the about freely throughout the territory other natural barriers like religion, at India, one can acquire, hold and race, caste, sex. place of birth etc. dispose of property, one can practise which are geographical accidents. any profession. All these things will But the mother tongue also falls in become illusory once we put the bar­ that category. It is hereditary. 1 rier of language. If the language cannot choose my mother tongue. It barrier comes and tries to divide the has already been chosen for me by my people of one part from the people parents. Since you do not want to of another part, it will create justifi­ have any discrimination on grounds able apprehension in the minds of a like race, caste, religion, sex or olace certain section of people that because of birth, the language should also they belong to a particular linguistic have been included there even at the group they will be relegated to the time of framing the Constitution. position of second grade citizens in Here I can point out certain other this country and they will not get equal opportunity especially in mat­ articles of the Constitution where the question of language has been taken ters of appointment, promotion, in­ note of. For Instance, article 29(2) crement and all these things. This says: ^ will vitiate the entire atmosphere of equality. Therefore, it is all the more “No citizen ah all be denied ad­ necessary that what is enrfhrinea In mission into any educational Insti­ thft preamble, what is enunciated in tution maintained by the State or article 19, should he given concrete receiving aid out of State funds an shape, and this is being sought to be grounds only of religion, race, achieved by my amendment. cute, language or any of them.1* 3537 Constitution CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) (Arndt.) Bill 3628 Article SO, which immediately fol­ portunity, equal status and dignity lo lows that, says: be given to all the languages in India "AH minorities, whether based because there is a growing apprehen­ cm religion or language, shall sion specially after the official langu­ have the right to establish and age clause had been enshrined in the administer educational institutions Constitution. If we go through the of their choice.” proceedings of the Constituent As­ sembly, it is very clear that those who Therefore, prevention of discrimina­ were in the Congress, those who took tion on the ground of language finds an active part in the making of the a place in articles 29(2) and 30(1). Constitution, were not quite sure My plea is that the fundamental whether India in future would nccept rights given in the preamble, enun­ the same proposition of having Hindi ciated in articles 19, 29(2) and 30 alone as the su:c lunguagc. Mr. T. A. will *11 become illusory if language Ramalingam Cheltuir—I ri0 not have is not included at the very outset in his quotation—dreaded it very much. articles 15 and 16. That is the logical He said, “I do not know what is in extension to the inclusion of language store in future when we provide this in articles 29(2) and 30(1). When clause here.” Dr. Subborayan and those who enter any educational insti­ other eminent persons, whose patrio­ tution should not be discriminated tism can never be questioned by any­ against on the ground of religion, body here, were all very apprehensive. race, caste, language or any of them, I do not say that it is a misapprehen­ when they come out of the institutions sion; it is a justifiable apprehension after passing the examinations, there that times may not proceed in the should not be any discrimination when, same way. At that time in 1949 with they enter Government service. Their the first flush of freedom and other fundamental right of equality should problems besetting the country, the be protected there also. Just as no Constituent Assembly and the country discrimination is placed on admission at large did not bestow the same at­ to educational institutions, similarly, tention and careful consideration that the same freedom or fundamental should have been given to the official right should be provided to all citi­ language question. zens in v-'Mers of appointment and promotion and other matters mention­ Out of this official language formula ed in articles 15 and 16. given in the Constitution and out of the later enactments under this one, These amendments that 1 have a whole plethora of troubles have brought are very important in judg­ flown. Thn jinguistic provinces have ing the times that we are passing also bs’en defined. Each language has through now. India, as you know, is been p.iven a homeland and dignity a vast country, a sub-continent. It inside the State. Therefore we can has got many races, many religions, nf'ver unmake what we have given to mortis of worship, many religious sects them. It becomes a necessity that and castes and, last but not the least, e^ch linguistic group should be made the most important of all there is 1he to feel that they have got a place linguistic groups. If we forget that under the sun in this country. India is a multilingual country, we shall be losing the entire aspect of the Also, there is a growing tendency political, social and economic struc­ on the part of those who are Hindi ture of the whole India. enthusiasts, though they catronislngly say that they will give equal status Nowadays language is a very thor­ and dignity, bnt when it comes to ny problem. I do not want to import actual practice that is being denied. any emotion or hatred against any If you take the Official Language Act, language. What I plead is equal op­ we have all along been feeling that 36B9 Constitution APRIL. 7, 1067 (Amdt.) Bill 3630

[Shri Sezhiyan] the assurances given by the late Prime Sir, I can quote one person who Minister have not been given the pro­ was speaking in the Constituent As­ per statutory form. It h»s got very sembly when tills very question ol the many defects and we know that last official language was taken up. Mr. time two Ministers had to resign on R. V. Dulekar, while speaking on the the score that proper statutory form question of the official language in had not been given to this assurance. the Constituent Assembly, on 13th. But my feeling is that even a proper September, 1949, said this in une­ statutory form, is not going to solve quivocal terms, as per the records of the language problem once and for the Constituent Assembly debates. I all because the chief source, whether do not know the tone and the tenor it is the official language problem or in which he spokes. But this is in the status accorded, it is the Constitu­ cold print on paper. He said: tion, tho starting point, “I say. it is.... (ir.'sf 'T?;): —‘it’ means Hindi— Z-JTSPT iTlTTqt Pi ■ rVT '-ffTT v jjt ^ “ .. .. the official language and it •T rV^t »tw if *rrvTr sjgf j? 1 eft is a national language. You may ?>*tt ^rr,,5 1 demur it; you may belong to an­ other nation. But I belong to Mr. Chairman: The bell is being Indian nation, rung. Now, there is quo-.um. He may continue his speech. “the Hindi nation, the Hindus­ tani nation, tho Hindu nation.” Shri Sezhiyan: As I said, there is a growing apprehension in the minds of What does it mean? I do not attri­ the pe'.'plo, even from the lime of the bute it to all the Members who are Constituent Assembly, because I can sitting opposite to me. But there has say that those who were enthusiastic been the spirit behind this when some about bringing Hindi as the official persons wanted Hindi to become the language have been more than en­ officia! language. Once Hindi has thusiastic to the extent of creating become the official language ss the justifiable apnrehensions in the minds national language, then the entire of the non-Hindi speaking people. It India becomes a Hindi nation. That seemed to them that once Hindi was is what they had contemplated. Those made the s^>le official language, the responsible for drafting the Constitu­ entire India will become the mono­ tion, the Constitution makers 1hem- poly of -he Hindi enthusiasts and the selves, have not been free from the Hindi-speaking people. haughty prejudgment th;it Hindi alone should rule this country and The Minister of State in the Minis* that India should become Ttindia. You try of Homp Affairs (Shri Vidya out one letter ‘H’ before India. So, Chnran Shukla): Why are you calling it is to that extent that they were them a.>; Hindi imperialist?? preparing themselves and that has created an apprehension a terror, in Shri Sezhiyan: I dirj not sav that. I the minds of the other people. When said that Hindi speaking people will we go through the entire records, we claim a monopoly throughout India find that they have been preparing once Hindi is made the official langu­ this country for Hindi as its official age. The word ‘imperialist’ has come language. I have quoted one person; out of him, because it is in him. I did he may be an individual and yet. * not use that word. As he has used think, he represents a mode of think­ that word, I think, I can use it. But ing, a school of thought, among the- I am not using it now. Hindi enthusiasts because he says that 3631 Constitution CHAITRA i7> 1889 (SAKA) (Arndt.) Bill 3632

those who do not apeak Hindi, those to Hindi and is giving step-motherly who demur it, they belong to another treatment to all the other languages. nation. They were the secessionists It is not the spirit only; I can quote even at the time of framing the Con­ any number of circulars by which stitution. He sayB, “You may demur those who are in Central Government it; you may belong to another nation. services, even if they are in Tuticorin, But I belong to Indian nation, the are asked to pass a test in Hindi; or Hindi nation.” Some such trend has else, they would not get their promo­ been there. That is why I say that tions, they would not get their incre­ proper safeguards should be given to ments; even entering service is made the non-Hindi speaking people. very very difficult for non-Hindi speaking persons. 17 hrs. Herein I can give a concrete exam­ Equality should be assured for all ple. Hindi is being patronised as a the linguistic groups inside India. court language, as a language of the Languages which are well developed, ruling class and the ruling party of which have a hoary tradition, which India, and as I said, a Hindi nation is have an enviable history, which have spending so much of money on Hindi. a glorious past—all these—should be In answer to an unslarred question taken into consideration. Even in by me on the 16th February 19G6 — actual working, hough we have got that is, more than a year has passed many assurances, many pledges, from since then-, I do not know what is the the ruling party, from the Prime Mi­ latest position—about the amounts nisters and Home Ministers, those as­ spent by the Government of India for surances have been there in paper for three consecutive years, namely, a long time. Probably, they are 1963-64, 1964-65 and 1965-66, for pro­ gathering dust in the shelves. When­ pagation and development of Hindi ever the quesion of drafting a Bill and other languages, the Government comes or enacting an Act is contem­ then gave me these figures. For the plated, these assurances are safely three years referred to above, for the forgotten. New clauses are being put propaEation and development of Hindi, there which are not clear, which are the Government of India have spent intended to be ambiguous. Even after Rs. 4,65,25,533; they have spent this it was pointed out that they are am­ much of amount for the propagation biguous, that clarity is needed, they and development of Hindi alone. have not been changed. But, as i said earlier, even if a good statute is Shri Vidya Charan Shukla: Hindi brought forth, it will not solve the alone or other languages also? problem. The whole trouble 01 language has started from the Consti­ Shri Sezhiyan: Let the Minister of tution. Unless the Constitution is State not be in a hurry. amended to make the position clear, to give equal status and opportunity For Sanskrit, they have spent to all the language grouns in India, Rs. 54,34,000. For all the other lan­ we are not going to solve the pro­ guages put together—Tamil, Malaya- blem. Till that day, the language lam, Telugu, Kannada, Marathi, Problem will continue to simmer and Oriya, Bengali, Assamese, Rajasthani, create trouble more for you than for us. Punjabi, Kashmiri and so on—they have spent a meagre amount for Rs. 21,79,000. For Hindi alone, the Herein I can say that Hindi, being Government of India have spent, out the official language, has been given of the coffers, out of the taxes collect­ all facilities at the expense of others. ed throughout India, about The Federal Government, the Union Rs. 4,95,00,000. For all the other lan­ Government is giving more patronage guages Put together excepting Sans- 3 6 33 Constitution APRIL. 7, 1987 (Amdt.) BUI 3634 [Shri Sezhiyan] krit, they have spent only a miggard- guages, whether it be Tamil or . Hindi ly Rs. 21,79,000. For Hindi alone, or Bihari or Rajasthani, should get an they have spent twenty times more equal share, and should have aa -than the amount spent for all the equal dignity. I am suggesting this other languages put together except­ because unity should be maintained ing Hindi and Sanskrit. 1 want to and the federal spirit should be pro­ know whether equality has been given, moted. The spirit of camaraderie bet­ and equal opportunities have been ween all the linguistic groups should given for the non-Hindi languages and be maintained. Language is a means for the non-Hindi people in the mat­ of communication, and we should give ter of their culture, to improve, to recognition to the language which propagate and to develop their own millions of people are speaking. There­ languages. We find this kind of dis­ fore, I do not want to obliterate any crimination not only in the Constitu­ one language at the expense of the tion, not only in the statute-making, other languages. Hindi also should be but even when it comes to a question developed and promoted but not at o f spending, lor, we find that Jte. 4-65 the expense of the other languages. crores have been spent on the pro­ All languages should be given equal pagation arid development of Hindi opportunity, >.nd equal status should whereas for all the other languages be accorded t'> all the languages. It is they have been good enough to spend for that purpose that I commend this only about Rs. 21*79 lakhs. This is constitutional amendment for the con­ what has happened under the Union sideration of this House. Government. I can understand the UP Government spending on Hindi. I Here, I mav point out that there are welcome that because it is the lan­ other Constitutions in the world also guage of that terrain. The State Gov­ where the language question has been ernment have got a bounden duty to taken into consideration. I may men­ develop the language of the area in tion especially the West German con­ which they are located. But the Union stitution drawn up in 1948. Article 3 Government should have been impar­ of that Constitution states: tial and they should have meted out equal measure of justice to all the languages, but we find that they “No one shall be prejudiced or have shown a high partiality which privileged because of his sex, de­ is beyond any reasonably democratic scent, race, language, homeland, ori­ spirit of thinking. They have spent gin. or his religious and political about Rs. 4-65 crores on Hindi where­ opinions.”. as they have been able to spend only about Rs. 21 odd lakhs on the other languages. This is one of the latest Constitu­ tions. The American Constitution Therefore, I feel that whatever the does not tou'.i upon this question and assurance given by the Prime Minis­ docs not have any article laying down ter and others may be. whatever the what the official language should be assurance that m.v hon. friend the They have allowed time to solve tlx* Minister of State is about to give may problem and they have allowed the be, namely that equal status has been people to solve the problem. Hut given and equal opportunities will be India has been hastening to do what given, instead of these sweet honeyed should be left to time. Here, they words, we want something cold and want to put something in the Constitu­ blunt in the Constitution itself, so tion and ask ihe people to follow it. In that it should be stated clearly that America, we And that there is trou­ no discrimination will be shown on ble between the Spanish-speaking -grounds of l»ne»age only; all the lan­ people, the French-speaking people 36 3 5 Constitution CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) (Amdt.) Bill 3636 and the English-speaking people, but Shii Maaohaian (Madras North): they were wise-enough to leave tlie Mr. Chairman, I am not going to take solution to the future. But here, we much of your time. The ju“liflcaH have put certain definite time Jixn>t for the consideration of this Constitu­ by which this should be accomplished tion Amendmu Bill has btten very and all the people shou'd accept it. ably given by the Mover, Shri Sezhi­ "Therefore, an element of compulsion yan. Therefore, I need not touch has come in in the Indian Constitu­ upon that point. tion. I only draw the attention of the hon. Minister of State to the need That is why I have sought to amend .articles 15 and 16 of the Constitution. for considering this Bill against a In the existing article 15 which says: certain background. India as my hon. colleague has pointed out, is a “The St&'.e shall not discriminalo polyglot country having a variety of against any citizen on grounds only cultures, a composite culture, a plu­ of religion, lace, caste, sex, place of ral society and a multi-lingual set­ birth or any of them.” up. This country has its own hoary tradition. We have been talking, I want to include the term 'language* and we are talking of our heritage ■ also. More then anything else, lan­ and the fact that we have a clear guage is the biggest trouble-spot in unity in diversity. I think this coun­ India today. try has been preserving it from time immemorial. "We want to pacify it. Only in that spirit, we want to introduce this pro- The basic consideration is this: in virion. a country like India having different racial groups and contradictory cul­ A few minuses ago we unanimously tures, what should be the guiding passed a Bi’l giving a place of houour principle of the ruling party in order to Sindhi. The same place o i honour to protect the interests of the mino­ has been demended for Rajasthani by rity groups of this country? Demo­ Dr Karni Sw'gh. But it is uo use cracy, it is assumed and affirmed, is accommodating all these lanuages majority rule. But I think essential­ and making ti.e list number 15, 16 or ly democracy should mean the pre­ 17 without t'v? spirit being there. A> servation of minority rights. This as­ long as the spirit is not there, the pect of the issue has been clearly spirit of equality and of equal treat­ conceded by this House when it had ment to all languages, there is no use the unique opportunity only a few addins to the existing list. We shoo;J minutes ago of considering and un­ not only include them in our Constitu­ animously passing a Constitution tion but we should also give them a Amendment Bill incorporating the place of honour which should be ex­ Sindhi language in the Eighth Sche­ pounded not only in the Constitution, dule. We appreciate it because we not only in the statute but should have accepted it. We have accepted also be treated likewise in spirit. it because we consider that it is a basic right of a constituent section of With these words I move, and ' hope our population, which ought to be that the hon. Minister will give favour­ accepted by any sensible govern­ able ronsiderni on to this ard support ment of the day. the motion for consideration. Here the Government of India have accepted Hindi as the only offi­ Mr. Chairman: Motion moved; cial language. That also was done by an Assembly which, according to "That the Bill further to amend my party, had no representative the Constitution of India, be ttten character. It was not an Assembly into consideration”. of elected members; it was an 15« (Ai) LSD—S. 3637 C o m tk u tio H APRIL T„ OKT £fl&BSf.;£fg. 363$ IShri Manoharanj Assembly o f nominated members of gati let u* not d£llid« ourMit«s % kind. Then again the language deliberately delude the people. ..as­ clause was discussed and passed at surances have Been given on the l&fr' the fag end of its deliberations. That of the House by so many Mittistfrrsj too is another aspect that should not especially by the Light of Asia, the be overlooked. The country was in late Pandit Jawaharlai Nfehru: $Hs a jubilant mood enjoying the inde­ assurance, as I have several timas- pendence that was achieved some told this House, has been considered months previously. Therefore, the en­ by the non-Hindi-speaking people aa tire attention of the country had' been the Magna Carta o f their rights, but drawn f that, and therefore the im­ where this Mfcgna Carta stand* today portant heat-producing issues like the and where the assurances of the late’ language issue were not at all given Prime Minister stand, is everybody’s due importance or due prominence guess. which the Assembly ought to have given. Anyway, it was passed with The Official Language Bill was in­ a brute, majority, or I can say m cer­ troduced by the late Prime Minister tain matters with a slender ma-'ority. Shri Lai Bahadur Shastri, and after that we have been demanding from- Certain people have expressed this Government that statutory shape their apprehension, and that appre­ to the Prime Minister’s assurance hension had been shared if my me­ should be given. Conveniently thiS’ mory is correct, by Pandit Jawahar- House has been cheated, wantonly or laj Nehru also. If the Hindi, ac­ otherwise by the Government. Now, cording to him, enthusiasts adopted recently, during the President’s Ad­ this method, Pandit Nehru cautioned dress there was a hint that these as­ that that would take these people to surances of the Prime Minister would totalitarian thinking. If my memory be given statutory shape very s.iortly. is correct, he used that expression. I hope they would' do that. Therefore, I want to stress once One important fact I want to touch again that democracy does necessarily upon today is this. While I raisad this mean the preservation and encourage­ issue on the floor, the then Home ment of the minority group, whether Minister Mr. Nanda said that -id dis­ their group is based on caste, com­ crimination had been shown :n the munity or language. field o f’ appointment, in the fijid' of employment and the like. But ' want The Government has given assuran­ to draw the attention of Mr. Shukla ces to this country, that they w ll not to the fact that very recently the Air show any sort of discrimination bet- Lines Corporation has issued a notifi­ been people, between languages. This cation wherein for the appointment lip service business without touching the heart cannot cut any ice. That i? Hindi knowledge is made compulsory. Very recently from the Ministry a cir­ my view. The proof of the pudding is cular was issued wherein the Home in the eating. Whether the Govern­ Ministry 'has stated that in the Gov­ ment has been sincere towards this ernment departments ip embers of th* proposition is a question to be ana­ lysed and answered. staff, I can say, should be compelled to learn Hindi during work hours, Mr. Sezhiyan has just now pointed and for that a sort o f cash incentive out t*»e amount that this language in­ was given or is proposed to be given. volves. i think the question of Hin­ I want to know from the Government di involves not only psychological, whether it is a clear-cut discrimination political and cultural, but it involves shown or It ft a sort of democratic financial implications also. "Discrimi­ temperament exhibited. They m ay nation should go”—that can be our argue that because Hindi is an eSftelat slogan, but in the name- o f that slb- language, they cannot *ielp it: ? o r Constitution 3639 CHAITRA 17, 18� (SAKA) (Amdt.) Bill 3640

this my definite answer is that Hindi straightaway enters into th� · heart.. alone can never be the official ;angu­ and soul of the people of this coun­ age of this country. Let us c 7 very try. Therefore, this issue should clear and sure about it. Already be decided on its own merits. There thinking, a sort of thinking, h as start­ are so many languages in the scne­ ed a nd each and every languag,, tries dule no doubt. If I am permitted to to assert itself. Each and every speak I suggest that English should State tries to assert itself. My langu­ also be included in t,'b.e schedule be­ age, my culture, my tradition, P.very­ cause it is also a language of a na­ thing mine-should be respected and tional minority, the Anglo-Indians. should be given equal treatment and The Anglo-Indians are Indian na­ equa1 opportunity. You may call it tionals according to our Constitution chauvinism. But you cannot escape and their representatives are nomi­ from this inescapable fact. Therefore, nated by the President. There is a the Government must consider this constitutional provision for that. Once proposal from the democratic anglE� they are accepted as Indian nationals, and give due respect to each and it follows automatically that English every language speaking group with­ becomes one of the Indian national out showing any sort of discrimina­ languages as English happens to be tion. Unity in diversity is good but their m other tongue. We cannot es­ in the .name of this language, what cape from this logic. I request the are they doing? Many Hindi-speak­ hon. Minister and the entire House ing Members ask: Don't you think to consider that point. I haW! refer­ that we should have a common lan­ red to the recent circular of the guage in this country? Don-t you Home Ministry. The notification think that the people of the wor1d issued by the Airlines Corporation i_n would ridiclue us saying look at the advertisement is also there. Mi­ these people regenerating ar:d reJu­ nisters say something on the floor o:t venating as an independent nation this House but something else is fol­ have no common laguage at all. So lowed in actual practice. They are many people including Dr. Lohia are deviating from the stand here d elibe­ saying that we should .have a com­ rately. They are duping the people of mon language. Conceding that point, this country. This Bill, therefore, is my subsequent question is: if there a must. In the name of language should be a common language, what they practice discrimination. What should be the c ommon language? made the framers of the Constitution That should be decided. Once y0u omit this language, I do not know. give in to the temptation that we Probably they might have forgotten; should have a language of the nation probably they might have been under as people of the· world would other­ the impression that one language is wise ridicule us, my next question going to rule the country to the is this. If you go to a foreign com1- elimination or exclusion of others. I try my friend Mr. Shukla will be do not likie to cast aspersion on the going and he may be asked-and you very conduct and 1fhe nobility o f th e .. are ask,2d, you may say that Hindi framers •of the Constitution, but a is the nationa1 language. Next they new situation has come in. This si­ may ask you: what i s your national tuation demands that no language dress. Another fellow would ask: group should be treated with discri­ what is your national food or nation­ mination. That is against the very al architecture or national music or basis of our Constitution. The Cons­ national somet�ing else. What hav,, titution is the basis of our democracy, they to say? If you give in to this temptation, unity will giv,e place to because we are wedded to democracy, uniformity, which means elimination The present Constitution has its own of the different cultures in this impediments; unless those impedi­ country. It is a delicate issue which ments are removed, th dream of the is based on raw and rough emotion e at times but it is an "issue which minority groups may not be realised. 3641 Constitution APRIL 7, 1967 (Amdt.) fiitZ 3642 £Shri Manoharan]

Therefore, 1 request the hon. Home t t I,*arc Minister to consider the Bill intro­ duced by my friend Shri Sazhiyan w t * t w iS t f 1 w f «> *)< . csrefully, with understandable feel­ * r ? w i f m wrgr ^ «rr, ing, and with a mind broad, with a vision noble and with a heart kind. sfT 4>T<"l «rT-3Hr I f v i J K I hope this Parliament would not * n i t ?ft «j5TMr aHTtrr-rw vm ', have any objection to that: this Par­ K s m vftr w »prr*ft *f liament, this sovereign body, will consider this Bill and see that tho w W f % m «t t wrnft *rtr Bill is once for all passed. ’j’T Tt wnft ftwsrrf, vnA ’pmr | w qYr ot- W Twmft (1T5m): TT fiTTT sr^TT 5Tfft f*raT i w ftr^ TTimfk 3ft *TTT trgfeg % fa&r* % *vffztvM * f aft ftwT Jr famir tTfTXTr? % ^s% ffrrry® t « % , m t f t - %ttx ^ w f Jf t ?r «r, 1 »n«p»r *r af^T f% fipft ?TTsfr «rm Jr w ^r arr ^ ^ rr tt,

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Mr. Chairman; The House has al­ ween a man who knows better Hindi lotted one hour for this Bill. I have or better Tamil from A person who got the names of 7 or 8 more Mem­ knows less of those languages. 1b bers. If the House wants the time In fact, if the constitution is amend­ for this Bill to be extended, it can be ed in the manner suggested by the done. Even then, I do not think I will hon Member, you will have to give be able to accommodate all the Mem­ protection to every dialect and even bers. So, if instead of going into the dumbman’s language, which is not too many details the 'hon. Members feasible. The language has not only are brief, it will be appreciated. Then acquired characteristics but also J can accommodate more members. invited characteristics. So, even though fundamentally the Constitu­ Shri Bedabrata Barua (Kaliabor): tion cannot allow discrimination bet­ Mr. Chairman, I appreciate very much ween one individual ad another, bet­ the spirit behind the Bill. 1 could ween one language and another and appreciate it because I come from they will have to be done away with Central Assam. So far as discrimi­ that is not to be done by amending nation in the matter of language spo- the Constitution. language has no .ken by people is concerned, it is cer­ fixed characteristics but only develop­ tainly constitutionally repugnant a.id ed characteristics unlike race or reli­ that is why a certain .safeguard in gion. That is why it leads us to this matter is sought by t|hose peo­ many of the difficulties in regard to ple whose language docs not dominate the implementation or interpretation New Delhi. So, that demand or re­ of this constitutional provision. quest may appear to be proper anri sound in principle. But when a Bill is brought forward to give effect to it. So, I believe the hon. Member has some fundamental questions of langu­ suggested a very good point, brought age also come in. Because, first of home the point that all languages of ail, a language is not to be protected India should have equal opportunity. for by protecting a language, the lan­ What is necessary is not to give pro­ guage tends to overlap. In history it tection to all languages in India but has overlapped. Throughout history it to think in terms of evolving a new has overlapped. If you want to pro­ language. The languages should come tect one language, it will end in giv­ nearer, so many languages coalesce ing protection to thousands of dia­ and form a regional or national langu­ lects. Even in my little State of age of India. There should be adop­ .Assam, we have so many dialects. In tion of a common base for the langu­ Hindi they have -Bhojpuri, Maithili ages of India. There should be re­ and other dialects. So, there will be cognition of a common base of Sans­ no end to the protection of languages. krit, Arabian and Persian and certain ■Protection of a language may come to other factors. The expression should mean dividing every language of India not only be interpreted between BOO into a number of languages. Members of Parliament. 500 Members of Parliament cannot substitute the That is not the only objection that need for expressing between 500 mil­ we have to consider in connection lion people of India. That necessity with this Bill. The most fundamental will remain. In spite of the consen­ objection is that article 15(1) of the sus that we have arrived at, the ques­ Constitution is an article that gives tion would still dog us. People like protection to the individual that the me who come from Assam would be State shall not discriminate against less efficient in expressing themselves ■any citizen. Now, the language is not to other friends if we do not have a the property of any individual citi­ language to speak to others. So whe­ zen. It is a collective social product. ther it Is English or Hindi, not the Also, language has acquired charac­ pre-eminence that the necessity of a teristics. It has to be developed. Dis­ language which will be more andt crimination will have to be done bet­ more understood by all the people of 3^4 9 Constitution. APRIL 7, 1M7 (Amdt.) Bill 3.650* [Shri Bedabrata Barua], India would remain. While keeping the country into linguistic States has ibat discrimination in a capitalist or­ caused, what I may call, a ‘language, der where some people FQO> /5* /667 &P>H>' :;e\l+&

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[aft v r tr c r fit? ] H>l I ^ fwdSRP the one side they say that they give equal rights and equal opportunities iff ^ s r t mnr i t *trt | i sntfr to all citizens of this country, but I[» t ^ finjt »rm «p t ?rq% y firare *r on the other side by other measures, *nsraT ^ 1 >j?r ^ they have this discrimination on the basis of language and that provision fftrr t ft? v f t *fr ?*n^ also finds a place in the Constitution. nTprf % fctmr *r ^vhihrr t> sftr This is the minimum that we could expect from this Government that t w^r »mmff *?r ?«rnr they could incorporate in Articles 15 ?r f««+‘ t | | 1 fR K Srvr *t smr and 16 the word ‘language’ along %r *nff srf?*7 *rs % §V snr *ft «rm with religion, race and other things. I fail to understand this: if you s?rsr f*rr% f*nfV *nrspr «Hcrr could say 'that religion or race or ^ n tf^i *3T«ft 'T®t $ 1 fr^T *r*Tt caste is something that is inalienable, that is a fundamental right, how ijbTT ^T%r | ^ STRT STRT could you preclude language from t Pp ?*nt §r5T it m srt ?t spt ^?t--#tr- that line? To my knowledge, if not ?faT I I ^JT *T*T5(% | f T 3 ^ fa r fa more, at least equally, it is an inalien­ able right. Any democracy worth i t ^ * r ^ a f e r ^ f *rr. i its name, should have certain funda­ mental inalienable rights sanctioned to the people and one of them is ?f«m 'srrTFr % 3ft «fr | "?^r definitely the language. So, the wn *m t flnr tj *t srrc- ^?r Government should come forward to accept this and they should not in­ spt 5nmr f^prr ^ ^f+»i «ji ^xtwt sist on continuing the status quo. srrft 'nst ft 1 *f ^r«fhs sftctt g f% ^frsnr % 'TRT %■ g f S H T WT? Whatever they may profess, the < n w i ?t r«*w< if tn w f d f-^ d ment was spending for Hindi and W *T fojT Mill'll w Vt *T fa f*n T equally the State Governments are welcome to spend on their own mo- s t r Tfrerm § w +^n i thor-tongue. This argument is rather w y strange because, by this argu­ ment. he is driving at the conclusion Shri S. Kandappan (Mettur): I am t*>v the Centre belongs to Hindi -afraid, if the Government is not for spnakin!; areas and only the Hindi the acceptance of this Bill they can­ language has got the monopoly of the not rightly call themselves as demo­ Centre’s attention and not any other crats. language. My friend, Mr. Sezhian, has made out that more than Its 4 crores have been spent on the promo­ There is an inner contradiction in tion of Hindi. This is not a small our Constitution itself as far this amount. To give a concrete example language question is concerned. On one primary health centre in my 3 6 5 5 Constitution CSAITRA IT, 1889 (SAKA) (Amdt.) Bill 3656 area has been deferred due to Chinese they will be giving more opportunity and Pakistani aggressions. The to the Hindi-speaking people. Then, loundation-stone was laid in 1953 it becomes a political issue. That is and for want of funds, that primary what we have been saying for long in health centre, which would cater to this country. the needs of a rural population of over 60,000, was deferred; the plea 18 hrs. -was that there were not enough funds. With Rs. 4 crores, we could The so-called three-language for­ mula is at best a sop and at worst a build more than 509 primary health fraud. What is happening »n this coun­ centres in this country. Is Uiis not try? In the name of the three-langu­ a colossal sum? The Government age formula, the non Hindi-speaking .annot ignore this . . . people, particularly in the south, have Mr. Chairman: How is it relevant been compelled to learn Hindi. In fact, here? even though the curriculum d-:cs not include it and the Education Ministry Shri 8. Kandappaif: It is relevant. in the State Government do not. in­ Such a colossal amount is being spent sist on the learning of Hindi or the to promote the interest of one langu­ teaching o£ Hindi, yet, by the very age to the detriment of the other nature of things, since the Cnuslitu- languages. That is what I am tion and the Central Government fa­ driving at. vour only Hindi in the administrative services, naturally, the students who Mr. Chairman: How is primary are after jobs have got to learn health centre relevant here? Hindi. So, there is a certain amount ot compulsion in this, but this is to­ Shri S. Kandappan: By way of an tally absent in the Hindi-speaking example. (.Interruptions). areas. Shri Sezhlyan: So much was spent If we leave alone the sentimental on promotion of Hindi. or the emotional side of it, learning a language is just like learning a Mr. Chairman: Oh, I see—We means mathematical formula. Wr learn a the money spent on languages could frrmula to work out sums and prob­ be well spent on creating health lems and not just for the sal:*’ of •centres! learning th« formula. Likewise, if w f learn a language, it is for a different Sitri S. Kandappan: An amount of purpose and not simply to buracn Rs. 4 crores is not a small sum con­ ourselves with the language, lr. this sidering the economic crisis ttiat we connection, I very much appreciate are now facing. the statement by our Education Mi­ nister with regard to tins thrc.o-lan­ Mr. Tiwary was also saying that guage formula that it burden? the the Tamils who formed only 7 per children with three languages and cent of the population in India were that would definitely hamper the occupying 26 per cent of thie seats in development of the children and the the All India Services. I still hold development of the innate charac­ the view that the all-India examina­ teristics of any particular group tions axe held on the basis oi merit. speaking a particular language. So, I So, on the basis of merit if the people would appeal to Government to consi­ were selected, and if you interpret or der this aspect very seriously and to you have the impression that a parti­ accept this Bill In toto. cular community is not represented there, then the real mind of the Hindi- I hope Government would sympa­ speaking people is quite apparent thetically consider this matter. there. Perhaps they were after Hindi not because it is an Indian language Shri O. K. B bcttadw n * (lUi- 3>ut because by placing Hindi then ganj): Hie issue la very clear. Vk» 3657 Constitution APRIL. 7, 1987 (Amrft.) Bill 3658. [Shri C. K. Bhattacharyya] Constitution is not concerned with against which he complains in res­ finding a lingua franca for the peo­ pect of other languages. ple. It is not concerned with find­ ing out how many languages should As our late Prime Minister used- be given the status of national lan­ to say, the difficulty with English is guages. It is concerned with only one that it is a foreign language and we object, namely finding out a language cannot accept it as the official langu­ for use for official purposes, and noth­ age for all time to come. The diffi­ ing more. Therefore, we should limit culty with Hindi is that it is not an our speech and thought on this occa­ all-India language and therefore is sion within that narrow limit. not acceptable on an all-India basis- and that creates a problem. In view The official language need not be of the complaint from all sides, the the lingua franca of the country. 11 position would come to this that we you go through the entire-Indian his­ would want a language which should tory, this is what you will find. In be equally difficult equally easy the Hindu period, Sanskrit was the for all. That is The problem. official language and the people used the lokabhasha. In the Buddhist pe­ My hon. friend was speaking about riod, the language was Pali, and it was partly a lokabhasha. Iq the Mu­ the public service examinations. If a language could be used which would ghal and Pathan periods, the official be equally difficult for all candidates, language was Persian, and that was I hope he will agree. Or if a language never the lingua franca in India. In could be found which would be equ­ the British period, we had the Eng­ ally easy for all candidates, I hope lish language, but the English langu­ he will have no difficulty in agreeing. age also was never the lingua franca But this is the difficulty. In the words of India. of the poet, we have "to find or feel Shri Sezhiyan: Hindi also is not a way” out of this difficulty. It i* the lingua franca. not always that we can find the straight path like Jan Path of Delhi. Shri C. K. Bhattacharyya: So, there has been a complete separation This Bill creates a problem in this between the official language and the way. As I have said, it does not lingua franca of India. solve the problem with which we are faced. It poses a problem, but it This Bill would have been very does not solve the difficulty I have well thought of if the hon. Mover pointed out. had limited himself only to the lan­ guages mentioned in the Eighth Sche­ Shri S. Kandappan: It will lead dule, but by bringing in English, he to the solution. That is our aim. defeats his own purpose and incurs the same discrimination which he has Shri C. K. Bhattacharyya.: I am of been complaining of because people opinion that for the time being the would then ask ‘Why should English Mover should withdraw the Bill. Then be there?” The Official Language let us sit together and evolve a solu­ Commission has said in its report that tion. not even one per cent of the Indian people could express themselves in Shri seshlyan: Let 1dm Rive an English. Why should such a language assurance. be included in article 120? I do not know how he came to the conclusion Mr. Chairman: One Hour was al- that English should be there. He loted for this Bill. We have taken should realise that by putting In Eng­ 20 minutes more. The next Bill by lish there he is seeking to introduce Shri Samanta is waiting to be taken the same element of dlscrhninrtton up. If he is not veer particular -3659 Constitution CHAITRA 17, 1889 (SAKA) (Amdt.) Bill 3660 about it , there is no harm in our continuing with this Bill. Shri S. ML Banerjee (Kanpur): May *15 frfw re » farr irraT t 1 request that the next Bill which is if ftrwrfwfr, equally important may be allowed to wrcr 15 be moved? As this is the last non- ■official day of this session, we will not i s ?r f?wrT t fa snf?r, be able to dispose of it. So, let it be «p? ?*tpt % qwrc rmr introduced. srnrfxv f[, ^T% fiwrs- % f?R T O ir half-hour discussion on the Cochin ^tF^- 1 $ *15 ^fg'rr Shipyard. So far as this Bill is con­ cerned, the Minister will take some *rrr ji? 5 T *Y »t*it $ f¥ ??r >fV srtV time for replying to the points raised. How much time does the hon. Minis- ^rfgir, f s r ^ ?f3’iiTPnp w m r t t 'ter want? ^rrc?r t 1 k»tt f m sft«T fnrr> if Shri Vidya Charan Shukla: Ten minutes. firxtaY ^ | wVr f a *f «prt jft ^ 1 1 5 ® % ftrir Shri Sezhiyan: I shall leave one or tw0 minutes, so that the next Bill can 5rpr qrtFT t ftr t rr?r-f?sT fip^t ^ fee moved. srTSr Mr. Chairman: All right. 5f*r *w r | f i r r r a r , ?rftr

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msnff Tt *frc g?*r Tt ?r?r t t ?it tftr *ntro- f^ trPrarw %■ « m «fiNft Tt tu pt T«it 1 w i i ? # r fW rfW f Tt sft firar f^r«ft, ^ %?r *f 4*ft. Bhandare (Bombay Central): Mr. Chairman. Sir, 1 ascertained from «PTT Tt® T tf ^ ft V||dMT | fr the Mover of the Bill as to which Bill % 5TTT *f f*Md w t ^ it srt feir i ftftHH T>WT wr ^ I The Minister of State in the Minis­ Shri Vidya Charan Shukla: We can­ try of Food, Agriculture Community not take up the half-hour discussion 'Development and Cooperation (Shri in that case. ( Interruption). Annasahib Shlnde): May I take it that the next Bill will not be taken Mr. Chairman: They want to push up today? in. Mr. Chairman: I doubt if the next Shri Vidya Charan Shukla: We are Bill can .be taken up. I do not think in your hands. there is any point in pressing for its Mr. Chairman: Could it not be disposal today. Let it be carried over carried to the next day? If the House to the next day. 3667 Constitution. CHAITRA 17, 1869 (SAKA) (21at A m d t) Bill 3668

•ft wromw («far*r) : fc ffc firar fc Trc«r T t tfWf % *rm % tffWra- tt art imt__ ft UTflT g ftsg f^ ft $ J|g?T *T*Wl *Tt*T ^Tcrr jj vfffv *rrar*f fc uror Shri M. I . Saleem (Nalgonda): On your enquiry, the minister replied ^t 3*T *fifllitil ^FT WVci t£T that about 10 minutes will be required ^ % ttt«t *t*5pt if for his reply. At that moment it was fc * * Sr. . . ( w » w ) . . . qfir the sense of the House that the debate will be concluded today and voting tfrfliftiT *rm % «pt*t ^nrr will be concluded today. On that basis tin It f j p f t t t sers^rrgRrr a t jr s e r a some more time was granted to the House for continuing the debate. Only ir ^»r fc %&xx wra tar $taT 1 S minutes are left now. The Minister fr?3 f r wihff % «rr fiwr Tt says he will finish in 5 minutes. Once tw *nNt vr * m fcs T?ft ft a ruling has been civen by the Chair that the debate will be concluded to­ 3*T % JTT5 *ft ^TTOT T?T I day, it should be adhered to. xnFnjli ir ^6TciT t^t 1 arfir wihft Tt 5?T TT fTT 5TT5rT if STT^ft W'TJft «rm Mr. Chairman: I did not give any % sifsrc m n srrfrrc vsmrr ruling that the debate is going to be concluded today. I only made a sug­ 5tar, 'ft® *ft° tp^iTftpwrssr gestion that there U no harm if the I*tt tt^t, snmr^r fc ht Tt debate is carried on to some other day. It is for the hon. members to fkTTH *ftT T t S T S understand what is some other day. t t ?t Tt irir «rwt f*H?ft ?rr S^pRRST TT faTTST jffaT SfYt ift fc ottcrt Tt qffcPT, 3Tft 3T *nTT TT W W . . trsi^r tt^ ^iTcft vroftir *rm tt Shri S. C. Samanta (Tamlnk): On trap $• xnsfhr sffcr fc TR*r, i*t a point of order, Sir. We, the non-offi­ f t TT^tir fc tttw, ^nft cial members, are deprived of our tnrrrS Tfrat vsreft fc i r t t i right of 2Jt hours today. 1 claim tha. 2i hours should be given. It has not 51f t f«c ^ T T ?r n f ? jt ?fr ^ ^ t been given. If you give 21 hours this ?t*tit?tt jr Ft ji? ^ t mrtepr wnrr ^ Bill will be finished and my Bill can ■zun t® wnrf^TTT srier 5 1 Ffesrnr be taken up. Tf t sr^ffrr err o ? | 1 ^ Mr. Chairman: I am told by the STT^T f*f(f?T ^ t *rtf Ttf Secretary that the House had agreed that instead of at 4 p .m ., the private WW% H** wtfc t 1 members’ business will be taken up at 4.30. So, I will take up the half- hour discussion at 6.30. IVpr. Chairman: We shall now take up the half-an-hour discussion.

u nww n afhft: Hurrfn Shri S. C. Samanta: Sir, I raised a »n ste*r, *t t « r m t t fc, point of order. That has not bees t t *n*r ATT fc1 frtft replied to by you. tft *m nr qr, frtfY fc frr*r *rY, Ttf Shri C. K. BfanttadMuyjra; Sir, lei v m r r ^ R T r m i t s t t the Private Members’ Business con­ *wr «i#fc 1 tinue up to 7.00 and the half-an-hou* 1&8 (Ai) LSD—10. 3669 C ochin Shipyard APRIL 7, 1967 (B . A H. O ta.) 3670 (Shri C. X . Bhattacharyya] discussion may be taken op at 7.00. ment The need for a second ship­ That would solve all the problems. yard was recognised during the for­ mulation of the Second Five Tear Start Seshiyan: Sir, at 6.30 I have got an appointment. Plan itself and a tentative allocation of Rs. 75 lakhs was made for preli­ Mr, Chairman: If the House agrees minary expenses then. Since then to it, I have no objection. this question was discussed many times in the last Lok Sabha. Massive ShH A. Sreedharan (Badagara): We demonstrations were staged in Kerala do not agree. In the Order Paper it by the people. But still, Sir, no is very clearly stated that the half-an- progress has been made so far. hour discussion will be taken up at 6.301 Therefore, it should be taken I do not want to go to the long up now. history of this issue, the history of broken promises, the history of reck­ Shri S. C. Samania: It is also put less promises, the history of fruitless down that the non-official business discussions and the history of con­ should commence at 4.00. Why was tradictory statements by the Minis­ that not adhered to? ters, even by the Prime Minister herself. It is enough to say that for Shri Sonavane (Pandharpur): Sir, the last ten years this was delayed. there should not be any encroach­ I do not think there is any project ment upon the time for Private in India which took so much time Members’ Business which is 2| hours. to be finalised. Our esteemed, tech­ In any case this House would not nicians took so much of their valu­ tolerate encroachment on that period. able time and our political experts Therefore, the House should sit up also took so much time to manoeuvre to 7.00 with th'is Bill and then take things with the result that this up the half-an-hour discussion, crucial project, this important . pro­ ject for India was delayed thus far. Shri C. Janardhanan (Trichur): There should be no encroachment upon the half-an-hour discussion We know that certain difficulties also. are there. We have our own diffi­ culties. We do not have the know­ Mr. Chairman: I do not think how. We do not have that. But Ihere is any encroachment. The time there are so' many other Indus­ is already fixed in the Agenda. The tries in India in whose case also we only change we made was that we feel some difficulties. But those in­ continued the discussion on the dustries are not delayed due to lack Constitution (Amendment) Bill as of technical know-how. Then, is it *vas agreed to by general consensus because of shortage of foreign ex­ of Members present in the House. change? I do not think so. Because, !"Jow that it is 6.30, we pass on to while replying to a discussion in the ♦he half-an-hour discussion. last Lok Sabha in August, 1968 the Minister stated: 18.3& hrs. _ _ “But not much foreign ex­ change is needed now because COCHIN SHIPYARD* we have been able to produce much more with what we have Shri C. Janardhanan (Trichur): and what we earn. From 195B Mr. Chairman, Sir, this is not the in the last 7 to 8 years our coun­ first time we discuss the question try has progressed fast. Much of second shipyard in this Parlia­ foreign exchange is not needed •Half-an-Hour Discussion. Coetew Shipyard CHArfftA 17, 168ft (SAKA)

now and perhaps with the little question the Minister replied on 26th foreign exchange we will be able March: to do it.” ‘The project report sutsntttod This was stated by our then Minis­ by Messrs. Mitsubishi Heavy In­ ter Shri N. Sanjiva Reddy. The dustries Limited, Japan, is under proposal of yen credit was also there. examination by our technical ex­ So, it is clear that foreign ex­ perts. The project report will change was not an obstacle for solv­ be considered by the Govern­ ing this problem. ment shortly. In the meantime, acquisition of some land required S o the Government doubt the for the project has been complet­ necessity of this shipyard? I do not ed and further acquisition is in think so. Because, though some of progress. An allocation of Rs. 15 our ultra-shrewd businessmen at crores has been made in the that time made some statements re­ draft outline of the Fourth Five garding this shipyard—I know that— Year Plan for the Cochin Ship­ to the effect that it is profitable to yard.” buy ships from foreign firms than construct a shipyard in India to build 1 am sorry to say that there is ships, I think the Government did nothing new in the first part of this not subscribe to that view. Here 1 answer. Land acquisition is an old am again quoting from the report of story, and land acquisition is not a the Committee on Public Undertak­ guarantee that the project will ings which was presented to the materialise. Because, we have seen House in March. 1967. That report so much of land acquisition in says: Kerala before. Regarding the examination by the “The early establishment of the technical experts that is the funniest second shipyard will be of great part of all, if not the dubious part. advantage to the ship-building The project report was submitted by industry in the country. With the Japanese experts in April 1066. the establishment of the second In the same year on 9th August, re­ shipyard demand for marine en­ plying to a half an hour discussion gines and the ship-building raised by Shri A. K. Gopalan, the equipments will increase. This, in then Minister, Shri Poonacha, stated: turn, would induce indigenous manufacturers to take up the “The Government are only production of the required equip­ awaiting that report and that re­ ments which they are reluctant port is likely to be in the hands to do at present. Indigenous of the Government within a. manufacture of equipments be­ couple at weeks and the Govern­ sides saving a considerable am­ ment will, no doubt, take the ount of foreign exchange would earliest time to take a decision in also ensure a steady and timely consultation with the Planning flow of materials to the Hindu­ Commission. I am sure a deci­ stan Shipyard as well as to the sion will be taken as early as second shipyard." possible.** Then, obviously to add emphasis to So, I am sure that nobody would this assurance he said:— dare to question the necessity for the second shipyard now. If all these "The Prime Minister at the facts are true, then why this delay? time she was in Kerala recently What are the reasons for this delay? also said -that an earliest possible There is something fishy about these decision will be taken on this things w e are afraid. In reply to a piatter." 3673 Cochin Shipyard APfUL 7, 1961 ( « . A. H. DU.) 3974 [Shri C. Janardhanan] Participating in the same discus­ In the report of the Public Under, sion the Transport Minister, Shri takings Committee submitted in Sanjiva Reddy, then said: — March 1967 it is said:—

“The consultants had given the "The report of the Japanese project report. Our technicians firm was submitted in April 1966 are examining it. In a matter but the final decision regarding of days, perhaps before we dis­ the size and scope of the project perse, we will be able to sec is yet to be taken.” something much more clear than what is now." Who is to take this decision? Obviously, it is the Government. Today is 7th April, 1967—to be Then why is it that it is not taking exact, it is 240 days since that bold that decision? I believe, they are declaration. We did not know that not going to take any decision at the Minister’s few days were so present. The project report is not unusually long. Nobody knows how published; the expert committee’s re­ many months and years it will take port is not yet ready, they say, and to finalise this report. the Government is' llot Igomg to allo­ cate more money to the project now. From the fact that the report has In his reply, the Minister says not yet been finalised it is plain that in the Fourth Five Year Plan, that there is something behind this they arc going to allocate Rs. 16 whole issue. The Ministers were crores. If I remember aright, the then hoodwinking our hon. friends original estimate, as envisaged in the in 1966, I am afraid. They then Project Report, was Rs. 56.63 crores said that the report would be ready with a foreign exchange outlay of within a few days. Now the Minis­ Rs. 16.50 crores. Of course, they ter replied that it was still under were tentative figures. The Draft consideration of our experts. If this Plan has not been discussed and is going to be the practice, there is finalised. There is a tendency even no necessity for discussions in this now, in the ruling circles and out­ House, I am afraid, because no side, that they want to prune the assurance given by the Ministers will Plan itself. Therefore, we are afraid be carried out. So, I request the that even this sum of Rs. 15 crores Minister to say categorically what is going to be cut. That means we is the position of this project now. are not going to get the second Let them frankly state the position Shipyard. We are going to get only now. Do not hoodwink this House a ship repairing yard or a boat yard and the people at large any more. or something like that. I am afraid that it is not the fault Sir, I am speaking on this Issue of the technical experts in our coun­ not as a Member from Kerala alone. try. I presume that it is the Gov­ This is not an issue of Kerala alone. ernment which has not taken the This is a national issue. If this decision yet. The experts have al­ shipyard is not going to come, the ready submitted their report and people of Kerala will rise against the Government, for its own reasons, the decision of the Government. are withholding this report, I pre­ There is no doubt about that. A* a sume thereby they are going back man, the people of Kerala will rise on their promises and are doing and we are sure that even Congress­ justice to the changed economic men will join with us. If the Gov­ policy <*f this country and are ernment is going to surrender this surrendering the national interests to project due to some foreign pressure, foreign Interests, I am afraid. then it is not only a betrayal of 3675 Coehin Steward CHAITRA 17. 1&89 (SAtCA) (H. A. It. Ots.) 3676 Kerala interests but it is a national Mr. Chairman: Only 10 minutes re­ betrayal. I want to say it here and main; there are Members who want now. Therefore, I would request to put questions. the Minister to state clearly cna categorically that they are not going Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao: If you want me to cut down this original project and to do justice to the cause, I require that they are going to implement that much time. It is entirely upto the original Project Report.. : the House. hope the Minister will cate­ gorically say so here and now. Shii E. K, Nayanar (Palghat): We have given our names. Shri Vasudevan Nair (Peermade). Sir, the Government was rightly indi­ Sari Vasudevan Nair: One question cted by the Committee on Public each. Undertakings whon they submitied their Report to which my lion, friend. Mr. Chairman: I do not mind giving Shri Janardhanan, referred. They time. If you want to hear the Minis­ have mentioned that in December, ter. then some time should be given 1956, an inter-departmental committee Shri E. K. Nayanar: The Ministei under the chairmanship of Shri R. L. can reply in the last. Gupta was appointed to look inlo the matter. So, the story begins fro m Mr. Chairman: The Minister wants December, 1956 and the story of the ten minutes. second shipyard is the story of 11 years and still, as you know, we do not (m r v r ) : wssrer know the fate of this project. VZ TT STJ*i I smi . I should like to know from the hon. sir *fr<=rr | 1 Minister who is quite new to his job and who is quite new to this House— Sbrl Vasadevan Nair: This is the he did not have the benefit of hearing usual practice. , all the debates that took place in 1'no Mr. Chairman: They can put forward House before—whether the commit too their point of view within two minu­ of experts have Anally recommended tes. to the Government that the Project Report should be adopted and accept­ Shri E. K. Nayanar: On the Congress ed and that it should be implemented. benches, most of them are away; oniy I should also like to know whether the 7 are present while Kerala is under Japanese firm and the Government of discussion. Hay I know when the India have discussed the various de­ Government will end the discrimina­ tails of the project and whether they tory attitude towards Kerala, so far as have come to some kind of an under­ construction of shipyard is concerned? standing as far as the Project Report Not only that, during the last three is concerned and, if not, whether there Five-Year Plan periods, the Central are any serious differences of opinion Government invested Rs, 2,180 crorej between the Japanese firm and the in the industrial sector, but Kerala’s Government Df India and by what time share was only Rs. 26 crores. the Government is expecting to take a final and a categorical decision as far as the second shipyard is concerned. Mr. Chairman: He may ask his question. Mr. Chairman: How much time will Shri E. K. Nayanar: On the floor of the Minister take? this House, the former Ministers gave The Minister of Transport and Shtp- an assurance to Kerala people that , plug (Dr. V. K. K. V. Kao): About 10 the shipyard problem would be solved to 12 minutes. but the assurance was broken. In 1966, i&77 Cochin Shipyard ApftlL 1, 1*89 »c f r ^ ^ Pf There is no time now. Otherwise, 1 could give the House a complete state­ vrar tt * t

w r fiv n: feg : fT *ft*T #5* * D r . V. K. R. V. Rao: I am*atxgr. I apologise to the Howe. Cochin Shipyard AFftXL 7, 1M7

*ft ftr? : wnnsr v fim , drill, and a paper which wasprepered by us had to be subjected to further eftfni i ififir, fi;* examination. I can assure you thgt in 3ft fifaft «fi*f $, g*ppT April 1966 when the project report sfcr ?flr ffcr *m r i came into our hands—before that there was no project report; it was all just Shri E K. Nayanar: For the last intentions, searching for consultants, fifteen years we h*ve heard such as­ selecting somebody to make the report surances. That is why we are asking and so on—in April 1906 the Ministry this question. was more or less ready, to which a Mr. Chairman: The hon. Minister reference was made by the mover. is not yielding. So, the other hon. Then it had to be subjected to further Membars shou'd resume their seats, examination. We were asked to find out some more information and so on 19 hrs. by the Planning Commission. They Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao: I am sorry I have got every right to do so because spoke to the house in an excited tone. the Planning Commission is the Here I think my hon. friend was per­ authority that approves of,projects. fectly right. It does require some ex­ Shri Vasudevan Nair: They are perience of the House to adjust one­ standing in the way. self to it. I entirely agree with that. I accept the position. I was not real­ pr. V. K. R. V. Rao: Then after that, ly excited. it was suggested that we should ap­ point a technical officer who would What I wanted to say was that the examine the whole thing. In the case real technical report on the shipyard of the ship-building industry—there was prepared by the Mitsubishi Heavy is absolutely no mystery about it; Industries Ltd. and that came in the tjiere is no mala fide about this—the hands of Government in 1966. After trend in shipbuilding changes very that, a technica’ working group was fast. There was a time when we were appointed which examined the propo­ thinking of 10,000 tons and 20,000 tons. sals and the details given in this pro­ Then it became 33,000 tons and 53,000 ject report. Then they made certain tons. Now it has become 65,000 tons, suggestions on it. 75,000 tons and 100,000 tons—even more than 100,000 tons. Our own Ship­ Having made those suggestions, it ping Corporation has placed orders for was considered by an inter-depart­ ships, I think, of 75.000 and 80,000 ton mental committee, and we should have capacity. been in a position to come forward with certain definite proposals last Therefore, the feeling was that we year itself. My hon. predecessor in must make a very careful examination office, who was quoted by the hon. nf the type of ships that we wanted to Member who raised this discussion, bui!d, their cost etc. because we want Shri Poonacha, said in this House that to make the Shipyard a shipyard which we have more or less taken a view on would produce ships which are bulk the report and in consultation with carriers and tankers; we do not want the Planning Commission we would the shipyard to be producing small finalise the proposal. What the Minis­ ships or tramps. As regards the size ter said is absolutely right. When my of the bulk carriers and tankers, I distinguished predecessor Shri Sanjiva must confess I got confused after read­ Reddy said that ‘it will be a matter of ing all the literature on the subject days perhaps before a final decision because the ideas keep on changing would be taken’, he was also not wrong from time to time. in his estimate. But fortunately or Then a special officer was appointed. unfortunately, projects and pro­ He was asked to draw up a report V grammes which are to be included in the 1st of April (Interruptions*. I am the plan have to go through a certain quite prepared to answer any »>■ I would be very frank with the assurance—if I am not able to +uHH House, because I was asked to be the assurance, I will give up my frank, I would like to be very frank. post—that before the end of the The proposals which have been made Fourth Plan something will be start­ in this special report of the techni­ ed In Cochin for the construction of cal officer are somewhat different in the shipyard. I am told it takes terms of the size of the ships which five to six years from the date you have to be produced in the Cochin start it before the ships actually shipyard, and as far as I can see it is start coming out. This i« my first going to require a great deal of categorical answer. examination and discussion. The second categorical answer is Shri V m d m n Nair: That means this. I was very delighted with another ten years. Prof. Sharma's intervention. He talked about a number of stools. I *>r. V. K. R. V. Rao: I am not parti­ think he was not entirely wrong cularly bothered whether 1 am here when he referred to so many stools. fear ten yean, live year* or five Those stools are there. I am coming 3683 OocMn Shipyard APRIL 7, l*y? CH, A H. OitJ 4686 [Dr. V. K. A. V. Rao] in contact with them. I think it is I was .asked a. categorical <|uatlcn important to realise that what has about foreign exchange. It is true happened in the last one year and a th*t as far. as foreign exchange is hall has been on the technical side. concerned, it is not listed in the Before that it was on the side of try­ fourth Plan document, foreign ing to get some collaborator who exchange has not been assured. But will be able to put in some money. we have our yen credit and our yen You could not get him, then you try credit is roughly of the order of to get somebody else, who will only sbtty million dollars or so a year and do consultancy etc. These were the th« foreign exchange cost of the pro­ reasons. I do not see this is any­ ject is certainly known to be much body's fault, there is no niaia fide less than the yen credit we ere go­ at all, reading the entire history of ing to get. It should be possible, the case. 1 am perfectly certain and I shall try my utmost, to see if that now we will see to it that there fh« necessary foreign exchange is as much expedition as is possible, could come from the yen credit for r have a certain amount o f pride In fftfg project. But first we -must have myself, one should not say such a a broject which is properly analysed thing before Parliament, it is not ang finalised and which can be a proper thing, but I have a respe&t technically sound and implemented for myself, I have taken up this properly. That is all I wpnt to say. question, I am going fully to pursue it, and I shall give details of the 19-11 hrs. position as it stands as soon as I am in a position to tell him that these The Lok Sabha then adjourned till are the conclusions we have come Eleven of the Clock on Saturday, to, this is what we are going to do APril 8, 1967/CHoitra 18, 18889 {Saka). and so on.

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