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1 the ANDREW MARR SHOW 29Th SEPTEMBER 2013 Nb 1 THE ANDREW MARR SHOW 29th SEPTEMBER 2013 nb: This transcript was typed from a recording and not copied from an original script. Because of the possibility of mis-hearing and the difficulty, in some cases, of identifying individual speakers, the BBC cannot vouch for its accuracy. INTERVIEW WITH: RT.HON.DAVID CAMERON, PRIME MINISTER, LEADER, CONSERVATIVE PARTY ANDREW MARR: All through his premiership, David Cameron has had the resurgent conservatism of UKIP on one hand and Lib Dems on the other. Does he feel master in his own house and does he yearn to shrug off the chains of Coalition? Well, he's with me now - good morning. Good morning Prime Minister. DAVID CAMERON: Good morning. ANDREW MARR: Can I start by asking you about something else, which is the terrible Al-Shabaab incident in Nairobi. What have you been told about the possibility of similar attacks on British shopping centres. DAVID CAMERON: Well, we have been looking at this for a long time because of course the appalling attack that happened in Mumbai, in India, and so I personally shared a whole series of meetings, you know, years ago, but again actually this week, to check that we’ve got everything in place to prepare for those sorts of attacks. Now, we don’t have intelligence that something is about to happen but it pays to be very, very prepared, very, very cautious and to work out we have everything in place that we could to try and deal with awful events like this. ANDREW MARR: Are you concerned that Somalian based terrorists are trying to come back to this country, to do the same kind of thing here. DAVID CAMERON: Well, there is always a worry of that and there is a hot- bed of terrorism in Somalia that spills over in to other countries and we’re concerned about that and follow that. What it shows I think is that we have to keep going against Islamistic extremism: whether that is people home-grown in our own country, whether it is extremism that is fermenting either on the horn of Africa or in West Africa or in Afghanistan and Pakistan, it goes to this whole argument about why we need well-funded intelligence services, why we need to be engaged in the world. Why we need to share intelligence with others and why we have to be permanently vigilant and certainly under this government I take these responsibilities incredibly seriously. I Chair the Cobra meetings myself and I make sure from everything – ambulance to fire, police …. (interjection) … that everything is prepared. ANDREW MARR: You’ve got no thought that anything imminent is gonna pass? 2 (both together) DAVID CAMERON: We don’t have intelligence about anything imminent but of course, when that Mumbai attack happened and when you see what happened in Kenya, any responsible government would look at its own processes and procedures and say, How would we cope with something like that. ANDREW MARR: Can I move to the opposite extreme of the Islamist issue. Nothing to do with terrorism of course but, there’s been a huge amount of controversy in this country about the Niqab or the full veil. Should it be allowed in courts, should it be allowed in schools. Should it be banned anywhere. What’s your own view about this. DAVID CAMERON: Well I have a very simple view which is that we’re a free country and people should be free to wear whatever clothes they like in public or in private but we should support institutions that need to put in place rules, so that those institutions can work properly. So for instance in a school, if they want to have a particular dress code, I believe the government should back them. Same for courts, same for immigration. (interjection) ANDREW MARR: Even if that process is the niqab. DAVID CAMERON: Yes of course. If a school has - and this did happen actually some years ago. A school put in place a uniform policy, which they had actually talked to parents about and it respected those people who were Muslim but someone then tried to break it and go even further and there was a court case and I remember saying at the time, I backed the school, it had a uniform policy and the government, I think should back those institutions that want to have sensible policies that actually, you know … (interjection) …. ANDREW MARR: The judge concerned, I remember in the court case said he thought there should be national guidelines on what happens in Court or not. …. DAVID CAMERON: (overlaps and both together) Well I’m very happy to look at that. But obviously you know, in court a jury needs to be able to look at someone’s face. You need to – I’ve sat on a jury, that’s part of what you do. (interjection) ANDREW MARR: (over) So you by and large agree with the judge. DAVID CAMERON: When it comes to immigration procedures, when someone is coming in to the country, an immigration officer needs to see someone’s face. In a school, it’s very difficult to teach unless you can look at your pupils in the eye. So a … (interjection) ANDREW MARR: (overlaps) … in a hospital, you know, particularly older people, they want to see the face of the person … (interjection) 3 DAVID CAMERON: Of course, absolutely. ANDREW MARR: You agree with that too. DAVID CAMERON: In institutions, they should be free, it’s a free country and I think a free country should have free and there are no … (interjection) … ANDREW MARR: So no bans on what people do on the street …. (interjection) … DAVID CAMERON: (overlaps) No bans whatsoever on the street. But if the government needs to do more to back up institutions, then I’d be happy to look at that. ANDREW MARR: Very interesting. Can I turn to what is no doubt, the biggest issue at this conference, which is the cost of living. The average family has I think, lost about £1500 pounds a year since 2010 when the Coalition started and Ed Miliband clearly did strike a chord when he suggested freezing energy prices. 63% I think of people back him on that. What are you doing to do to counter this. DAVID CAMERON: Well, in the end we have to make – I think the big argument about living standards which is the only way to sustainably raise living standards is to keep the recovery going and the economy is now moving. To keep on creating jobs and we’re creating those jobs. To keep on cutting the deficit because that keeps interest rates and crucially mortgage rates low and to keep on cutting people’s taxes because that is the way actually to give people more of their own money, in to their own pockets, to spend as they choose and under this government we have cut people’s taxes by £700 pounds ANDREW MARR: I want to come on … per person because we’ve lifted the tax threshold up to £10,000. But of course, that’s not enough, you’ve then got to look at what else can you do. We’re freezing the council tax and other things. ANDREW MARR: I was going to say British Gas are about to raise their prices, I think by 10%. The other big utilities the same kind of thing and you’re doing nothing about that. DAVID CAMERON: I don’t accept that. We are. I want low prices not just for 20 months, I want them for 20 years. So what we need to do is go to the reasons why these prices are going up in the first place. We’ve got to make these markets more competitive. We’ve got to make sure the companies behave properly and put people on the lowest tariff and we’re legislating for that. We’ve got to look at all the subsidies …. (interjection) ANDREW MARR: Because so far, regulation has rather failed on this, even the Daily Telegraph, one of your great supporters says that there is a cosy cartel of big energy companies, which needs to be broken up. 4 DAVID CAMERON: Well there are six energy companies competing with each other, which is better than what we used to have in the past but do we want to make the market more competitive – absolutely. I don’t accept that all the regulation is failing. Putting people on the lowest tariff is having an effect, as we speak that energy companies are coming forward with better offers. Is this enough? No.. (interjection) ANDREW MARR: … (overlaps) … you have ideas for further regulatory changes then. DAVID CAMERON: Yes, of course. I think we need to look at all of these markets and make sure they are working for hard working people. ANDREW MARR: I was going to say Which are? Dot dot dot DAVID CAMERON: For instance, well, for instance, we have frozen the council tax. You know, again year after year after year. With petrol duty, we’ve taken away Labour’s planned increases in petrol duty and we’ve cut petrol duty … (interjection) ANDREW MARR: So you freeze all those things what’s so terrible about freezing energy prices as Ed Miliband suggests. DAVID CAMERON: I thought the problem with what Ed said was that it unravelled effectively within about twelve hours, when the next day he said he might not be able to keep his own promise. We need to look at the things that are causing the energy prices to rise rather than just deal with the symptoms.
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