“Off the Cuff” Podcast - Episode 203 Transcript
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NASFAA’s “Off the Cuff” Podcast - Episode 203 Transcript Justin Draeger: Hey, everyone. Welcome to another edition of Off the Cuff. I'm Justin Draeger. Megan Coval: I'm Megan Coval with NASFAA's policy team. Erin Powers: I'm Erin Powers with NASFAA's communications team. Karen McCarthy: And I'm Karen McCarthy. Also with NASFAA's policy team. Justin Draeger: Welcome gang. It is an August episode, which means it's a special episode, as I was thinking about this episode. Do you all remember? I see, I don't know, we're different. We're kind of around the same generation, but Karen, you might remember most remember in the eighties, when we had like special episodes and the regular sitcom music would change and it was like a special Punky Brewster, or it was a special Mr. Belvedere or whatever. Karen McCarthy: Mr. Belvedere, wow, haven't thought about him in a while. Erin Powers: I like picturing you watching Punky Brewster, Justin. Justin Draeger: Well I remember, there was a special Punky Brewster. It was about The Challenger explosion and yeah, I'm sorry. Justin Draeger: It was 30 years ago. I'm just saying that whenever I hear a special episode, I just can't think shake the eighties when it was like they had the hype music and they turned it down and like a special episode. And this is kind of like that we don't have breaking news, but as people saw in Today's News, Megan, you are you're up and leaving NASFAA. Megan Coval: Yes. After 11 years. Justin Draeger: Tell us about the new gig what's going on. Megan Coval: Yeah, so leaving NASFAA after 11 really good years. Almost 11 exactly. I am headed back to Pennsylvania. I say back because headed back to Norway, grew up north of just north of Pittsburgh and going with the whole family to be closer to extended family. But I will also be starting a position at Butler County Community College. And with them, I will be overseeing their education foundation, which is kind of their development and fundraising arm, but also their external and government relations. So little, little different, little the same, you know. Justin Draeger: Yeah, and we're very excited for you to take this next step and obviously very sad that you're leaving. This episode's going to be maybe a little self-indulgent in that, this is sort of our special farewell episode to Megan. Also though, I think there's stuff in here, Megan, about your career and career choices that might be illuminating for folks who are thinking about their own career choices, especially coming out of the pandemic. It was sort of like everybody's sort of frozen in place for a year. I think a lot of people are coming out of the pandemic, thinking about their careers, job choices, work-life balance, all that sort of thing. And there might also be some stuff in here about some of the successful policy and advocacy work over the last decade that we've worked together on and, sometimes not so successful policy campaigns that we've worked together on that might also help folks. Justin Draeger: So, this episode is going to be a little bit self-indulgent just because we'll be talking and reminiscing about some of our favorite memories together, some of the success we've had, but hopefully, and Megan, I hope some of the funnier moments that we've had over the last decade, but it'll also be helpful illuminating for folks who are perhaps facing career choices or work-life balance choices, who are thinking about making some career moves and who were thinking about public policy and what works and sometimes doesn't work. So I'd like to jump in and maybe just ask you a few questions. If that's all right, the very first one I have is how could you? We'll start with that. Erin Powers: How dare you? Justin Draeger: Where do you get off quitting NASFAA. Megan Coval: Aww, I know. Justin Draeger: I have one question. We sort of have an outline to this today, so it's kind of off the cuff, but kind of not, but there's one question I don't have on here, which is, do you remember your first day or your first week at NASFAA, anything memorable in there? Megan Coval: Yes. I remember my first day. I remember that you weren't there. Erin Powers: Power move, ultimate power move. Justin Draeger: Oh hey! On my way out the door. Megan Coval: So, Beth was the one who walked me around and I remember being a little stressed out because you had told me, and I think you shared a similar story recently, not to come until nine 15 or something basically to probably give Beth some time, to get here and get settled. Justin Draeger: Get centered. Megan Coval: So I was sort of like, I don't really know what to do with that. So I just, I think I got there at nine and just hung out by the door or whatever. But I remember that, I remember I went to lunch with Joan, Joan and Jennifer Martin. They took me out to lunch. Justin Draeger: Joan Berkus. Megan Coval: Joan Berkus, yeah. And I just also remember leaving that first week feeling like, wow, I already feel like I've been here for like a couple of months. Nobody really made me feel new. I really distinctly remember that about NASFAA. And I feel like that that warmth has sort of continued and played out in so many different ways. Justin Draeger: Where was your first office at, in the building? Do you remember, I'm trying to remember where you were at? Megan Coval: I think I was right next to you. If you were coming out of your office to your right. Justin Draeger: To my right, okay. Megan Coval: So it looks out over like 17th street. Justin Draeger: Yeah. People might not know, but we've worked together for almost 11 years. Like it would've been 11 years next month or October maybe next month. So you were my first hire when I came on as president. And obviously, I feel very lucky that, that you applied and that we got you at NASFAA. It's been a great 11 years. I also remember you checking in a lot, which made me feel like I did not provide the proper onboarding or guidance. Justin Draeger: Like I just never, you always popping in my office and I was always like "Okay, yeah." Megan Coval: I'm going to go to the bathroom. I'm going to go get lunch. Justin Draeger: Not the bathrooms. Erin Powers: 'Can I have the hall pass, Justin? I need to use the restroom.' Justin Draeger: I do remember you being like, "I'm going to go get a diet Coke" and I'd be like, "Yeah. Good on you. All right." Megan Coval: Yeah, I was sort of like the environment that I came from before then. So I think, I thought that was normal. Justin Draeger: It was sort of an old-school sort of, you have to have to be in you're at your place and if you're not at your place do this and that. And I just remember pulling you in and being like "the last person I've ever worried about is you. And like, you go where you need to be. And if I'm in the office and I don't see you here, I'm not worried at all. I know how to get a hold of you." Megan Coval: No, I appreciate you just hitting that on the head for me. Cause that probably would have still been going on today if you hadn't. Erin Powers: Yeah. I don't think anybody assumes that you're out getting your nails done. If you're not in your office, people are like, "Megan's on the Hill" or "she's doing something really important." Justin Draeger: "Anybody seen Megan?" Megan Coval: You know what's something else I also remember that's funny from my interview? Is that, the place I was before, it would have been unusual for me to have gone in there in a suit if I wasn't going to the Hill. And I just remember, I was trying to not make it seem like I was going to an interview and the building was attached to a hotel. So I was like, "okay, I'm going to take my suit and go down and change in the hotel bathroom." And then I went down, the hotel bathroom was closed. And so I crouched in this corner and changed my clothes into this suit in this dark corner of the hotel. Karen McCarthy: Wait where? Where did you do this? Megan Coval: The Washington Court Hotel. Because, I was so afraid. Justin Draeger: You didn't want to signal to the last place you were working that you were going to interview somewhere. Megan Coval: Yeah! And now I'm thinking, why did I just take the day off? I have all these questions about it, but I distinctly remember sweating. Cause it was August, I'm in the corner trying to hide from people, changing my clothes and look at that though, you know? Justin Draeger: Yeah.