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Legislative Council 15205 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL Thursday 7 April 2005 ______ The President (The Hon. Dr Meredith Burgmann) took the chair at 11.00 a.m. The Clerk of the Parliaments read the Prayers. INDEPENDENT COMMISSION AGAINST CORRUPTION AMENDMENT BILL Message received from the Legislative Assembly agreeing to the Legislative Council's amendment. PRIVILEGES COMMITTEE Report: Person Referred to in the Legislative Council (Ms S. Scheff) Motion by the Hon. Peter Primrose agreed to: That the House adopt report No. 29 of the Privileges Committee, entitled "Report on Person Referred to in the Legislative Council (Ms S. Scheff)", dated April 2005." Pursuant to standing orders the response of Ms Scheff was incorporated. _____ Reply to comments by the Hon John Hatzistergos MLC as Minister for Justice in the Legislative Council on 26 October 2004 The following comments are provided in response to statements made by the Hon John Hatzistergos on 26 October 2004 during question time. The statements referred to The Australian Prisoners’ Election Newspaper of which I am the editor. In addition, I am referred to and identified in the following statement: Following that complaint a summons was issued in the Supreme Court by a person whose name I often see in relation to such matters but I can never remember, no matter how many times I see it and even though it is in front of me at the moment. I believe that the statements made by Mr Hatzistergos damage my reputation as the editor of the newspaper because they inaccurately represent the circumstances surrounding the Supreme Court action and the content of the newspaper. I wish the following statement to be considered: On 26 October 2004, several inaccurate statements were made by the Hon John Hatzistergos during question time. 1.) The Victorian commissioner also had the good sense not to permit the distribution of this material. The Commissioner of Corrections Victoria stated on 5 October 2004 that The Australian Prisoners’ Election Newspaper will be made available to prisoners. That statement was also part of the affidavit filed with the NSW Supreme Court on 6 October 2004. 2.) As reported in Hansard, there was the following exchange between the Hon John Hatzistergos and the Hon. John Della Bosca: The Hon JOHN HATZISTERGOS: …… Then there was a question and answer section at the back, and guess who were the participants? The Hon. John Della Bosca: Lee Rhiannon and Arthur Chesterfield-Evans? The Hon. JOHN HATZISTERGOS: Close. It was the Greens and Socialist Alliance. This statement also contains incorrect information. There were answers provided by the Democrats, Liberals, and Labor. 3.) A third example from Hansard is the following statement: Voting had taken place in most of the centres, resulting in the summons being discontinued the very next day— I might add at great cost to the taxpayers of New South Wales who had been preparing to fight the case. 15206 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL 7 April 2005 I believe that the reason for the case being discontinued was because pre-polling was moved forward in correctional centres by the Commissioner for the specific purpose of preventing the Court from providing relief in the form of a judgement. I have formed this opinion from information which I received from my solicitor. On 7 October 2004, I was advised by my solicitor that he had been informed that prisoners in every prison in New South Wales except Bathurst prison had already voted for the Federal election and that prisoners had voted by pre-poll earlier this week. Further, the prisoners at Bathurst prison would be voting between 9 am and 1 pm on the following Saturday morning. (I decided to continue with the action on the basis that prisoners at Bathurst should still be allowed to receive the information before voting even if the other prisoners had been deprived of the newspaper by the Commissioner.) Later that day I was further advised by my solicitor that he had been informed that voting at Bathurst prison would take place between 12pm and 4pm on Friday 8 October. My solicitor further advised me that because of this change in circumstances, a judgement for relief would be considered futile, and therefore the judge would probably dismiss the action. _____ PETITIONS Crown Land Leases Petition requesting the withdrawal of changes to the rental structure of Crown land leases, particularly enclosed road permits, received from the Hon. Duncan Gay. Clothing Industry Worker and Employer Protection Petition opposing exploitation of clothing industry workers, and requesting protection of small clothing businesses, received from the Hon. Dr Peter Wong. Gaming Machine Tax Petition opposing the decision to increase poker machine tax, received from the Hon. Rick Colless. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE Suspension of Standing and Sessional Orders Motion by the Hon. Dr Arthur Chesterfield-Evans agreed to: That standing and sessional orders be suspended to allow a motion to be moved forthwith that Private Members' Business item No. 165 outside the Order of Precedence, relating to a reference to the Standing Committee on Social Issues concerning dental services, be called on forthwith. Order of Business Motion by the Hon. Dr Arthur Chesterfield-Evans agreed to: That Private Members' Business item No. 165 outside the Order of Precedence be called on forthwith. STANDING COMMITTEE ON SOCIAL ISSUES REFERENCE The Hon. Dr ARTHUR CHESTERFIELD-EVANS [11.15 a.m.]: I seek the leave of the House to amend Private Members' Business item No. 165 outside the Order of Precedence by omitting paragraph 2 and inserting instead: 2. That the committee report by Friday 31 March 2006. Leave granted. Accordingly, I move: 1. That the Standing Committee on Social Issues inquire into and report on dental services in New South Wales, and in particular: 7 April 2005 LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL 15207 (a) the quality of care received in dental services, (b) the demand for dental services including issues relating to waiting times for treatment in public services, (c) the funding and availability of dental services, including the impact of private health insurance, (d) access to public dental services, including issues relevant to people living in rural and regional areas of New South Wales (e) the dental services workforce including issues relating to the training of dental clinicians and specialists, (f) preventive dental treatments and initiatives, including fluoridation and the optimum method of delivering such services, and (g) any other relevant matter. 2. That the committee report by Friday 31 March 2006. I believe that the inquiry by the Standing Committee on Social Issues is necessary in order to draw attention to the problem of dental health. The Federal-State stand-off on dental health must be resolved. Medicare is flawed: It covers all the body except the teeth. The body is divided into specialties but the mouth is ignored. If a person has a boil on his bum he gets treatment but if he has a boil on his gum he does not. Action in this area cannot be delayed. According to a study conducted by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, 36.7 per cent of people classified as deprived avoided a dentist visit because of the cost as opposed to 14 per cent of privileged people. So cost is a big factor in dental health maintenance. Dental health remains a State responsibility, and New South Wales has been neglecting this area. The Federal Government offered dental relief funding only until 1996 and the other States have, albeit reluctantly, picked up the tab. Queensland is spending twice as much per capita on dental services as New South Wales and is committed to increasing this funding as it recognises that it is not enough. Victoria is the next worst State after New South Wales and also intends to increase its spending. The incidence of tooth decay is rising: It has more than doubled in the 35 to 44 years age group in the past 23 years. In the past six years there has been an increase in the incidence of tooth decay in all age groups. In the country there are fewer dental fillings and more extractions. Teeth are decaying to the point that they cannot be fixed. Rural people are losing their teeth at nearly twice the rate of the urban population. The percentage of people who are edentulous—that is, they have no teeth at all—is 5.5 per cent in urban areas and 9.2 per cent in rural areas. Action is needed now. Public dentistry is suffering the most. NSW Health currently has 60 unfilled dentist positions, indicating that it cannot recruit or retain enough dentists. There are only 10 full-time public dentists in rural New South Wales, and many of these graduated before 1975. The training of dental professionals takes time and the number of graduates is low. Some 120 dentists graduated every year in the late 1970s but recently the number of dentist graduates has been as low as 45. There will be only 60 local graduates this year. In the past 30 years our population has doubled but the number of dentists being trained has halved, according to the Australian Dental Association, New South Wales Branch. The demographics are that many dentists are baby boomers and will retire and add more old people to those who need more care. More than 30 per cent of currently practising dentists will retire in the next five to eight years, so some action is needed. By 2010, only five years away, New South Wales will be short of 500 dentists just to retain current service levels. There will be a big increase in demand so a crisis is coming. Urgent action is needed now.
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