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TYNWALD COURT. I ■•• ■••■••■•,...../ ,,,,,,, ••■• • •-•••- DOUGLAS. TUESDAY. NOVE111310.B. 8, 1921. Present: His Excellency the Governor ORDERS IN 00UNCLL. (President), Deemster Callow, the At- The Speaker asked his Excellency:— torney-General, the Receiver-General, (1) Whether any and (if any) what Messrs 3. R.. Kerrnish, W. C. South- Orders in Council have been made under ward, R. B. Quirk, 3. Cunningham, and the Isle of Man War Legislation Act, 3. L. Goldie4latibman, in the Council. 1914, since the date of the Armistice. In the Keys: The Speaker (Mr G. Fred. (2) Whether notice was given to the Clucas, C.P.), Messrs F. A. Dal- Insular Government before such Orders gleish, E. CalEster, G. B. Kermode, E. were made, and if not, why not? (3) J. Ourphey, 11. Cain, D. 3. Teare, R. S. Whethei. your Excellency will take steps Conett, W. Kermeen, G. Preston, A. H. to ascertain whether this Act is, as a There, C. R. Shimmin, T. Gerald 13r,dson, matter of law, still operative now that Charles Gill, A. Qualtrough, W. Moore, the emergency under which the Ael-, 'aas It. C. Cain, G. Maddrell, S. Norris, and pagsed no longer exists, and, in case it is J. D. Qualtrough. still operative (4) whether your Excel- ler.ey will obtain an assurance that it The Governor : Before proceeding with will be repealed as soon as ineezio.abile, the adjourned debate, there are two a ed tli A. until such repeal, no (Jr.lers questions, one of which I received notice iu Council will be made under it until of at our last meeting, and the other %tell pioposed Orders have beea laid be- has been received since. fore Tynwaild for consideration.. The Gcvernor: In repfiy to Mr Spk.a- iker's practically all the Orders THE HIGH.-11A11.IFFS. in Col neil made under the isle. of Man Mr 3. D. Qualtrougli: I wish to ask the War Legi4lation Act, 1914. since the terms and conditions of appointment of date of the Armistice, have been Revoca- High-Bailiffs. tion Orders, of which notice was given to The Governor : In rePiy to the hon. the Insiilar Government. As to the member for Castletown, I have to say legal point referred to in the question., that the terms covering the appoint- will take the opinion of the Attorney- ments of High-Bailiffs are :—A. High- General thereon. Bailiff is allowed to continue his private Mr Norris: Could your Excellency an- legal practice, but his position carries swer the question as to whether, if no pension rights. The salary is £475 these Orders are to operate in the Isle per annum for the High-Bailffship of of Man, you will ask that they should Douglas and Castletown, and £300 per be first !laid before the Tynwald Court? annum for the High-Bailiffship of Ram- The Governor: The question is mixed sey and Peel, and the officers in question up with two considerations. One is are responsible for duties pertaining whether we can obtain an answer in to the offices of High-Bailiff and Coroner time to be practicable, and again, are we of Inquests. asking something we have no right to Mr A. Qualtrougli: I want to ask if ask—whether they will or will not re- the High-Bailiff has any command over pea an Act of the Imperial ParliamentP the police? Can he command them to But I. will take an opinion on the legal bring as many cases as . possible? question. (Laughter). Mr Norris: But, until it be repealed, The Governor: No. this Government should ask that this Mr A. Qualtrough: Have instructions Court be consulted? to that effect been sent round? (No The Governor: As a matter of fact answer). none of these Orders were made operative The High-Bailiffs.— Orders in Council, '.117N WALD COURT, NO V EA Elt 8, 1 WI. to the Isle of Man without previously man of the Council of Education, whether being submitted to us. In every case steps were being taken to carry out the they have asked first, whether it was Act for the provision of meals for neces- desirable for the Act to run in the Isle sitous children. of Man. In no case have orders been Replying to the question, the Governor made without reference to the Isle of said: The power of the Education Authority Man first, to provide meals for children attending The Speaker : Would that apply to liVementary Schools is contained in the Orders made under this Act only? There Education Provision of Meals Act, 1915. might he Orders made another Act. Section 4. of the Act, provides as follows : - The Governor I think the only thing "Where the School Board resolve that any of the children attending an elementary school is the opecinb airship legislation. within their area are unable by reason of lack think every Order has been submitted. of food to take full advantage of ihe education Mr Norris: A recent Order has been provided for them, and have ascertained that promulgated applying to the Isle of . funds, other than public funds, are not avail- Man certain legislation. It is not within able, or are insufficient in amount to defray the cost of food furnished in meals under the the knowledge of the Court what the provisions of this Act, they may apply to the ob;eet is. Council of Education. and the Council nun The Governor If the hon. member will authorize thorn to spend out of the rates, such inform the Court what, the Order is, I sum as will tneet the cost of the provision of such fond; provided that the total amount, will inquire. It is not within my know- expended by a School Board for the purposes of ledge what Order be is referring to. this section in any financial year shall not Mr Norris: An Order was published in exceed the amount which would lie produced the "London Gazette" hppgykag certain by a rate of one halfpenny in the pound over legislation to the Isle of Man. I am the area of the Board." asking your Excellency if you can tell us In continuation, his Excellency said: what the particular Order refers to. This provision of the Act has not been put into operation by the Central Autho- "What doss the order carry out? rity. presumably for the reason that, up to The Governor: I have not seen the the present, there has been no necessity to not,ifimtion, so I cannot answer the do so. In the case of Douglas, for many question. veers past the School Board has co-operated Mr Norris: So you have had no intima- with a volNintary hods, called the Free tion from the Imperial Government? Dinners Committee, wim have provided a substantial mid-day meal for all necessitous The Governor: lt may have been. a children attending elementary schools in the matter of correspondence some time ago. Borough, during the months of November . All these Orders Ere matters of revoca- to March. The Free Dinners Com- tion, and it is asked whether it is de- mittee have already made their arrange- sirable they should be made applicable ments for this year to provide the dinners, to the Isle of Man before they revoke as heretofore, commencing on Monday them. next. POOR RELIEF. THE HIGH-MAILIFFS. Mr Brictson I beg leave to ask his Ex- The Governor: When the Court ad- cellency the Lieut.-Governer whether it is journed, a debate was proceeding on the his intention to make public and circulate motion with regard to the High-Bailiffs, the report of the Commission appointed to as to whether there are to be two High_ inquire into the administration of the -Poor Bailiffs, or one; and the hon. member for Law within this Island. Ramsey, Mr Teare, was speaking. :Tie Governor : In reply to the hon. Mr A. H, Teare : I hope that I shall have member for Middle, the final report of the a censiderahlo amount of support in the Cemmis.sion appointed to inquire into the course of this debate, seal that my argu- administration of Poor Relief in the 'Island ments will even have seine influence on will he published and circulated to members my most strenuous opponent, the hon. mem- of the °pert. ber for North Douglas, Mr Norris. I venture to suggest that the, status quo MEALS FOR NECESSITOUS should be inaintaieed, that the present position of tire Nigh-13arlitis should lie re- SCHOOL tained, and T put my argument in the form Mr Bridson asked the Speaker, as Chair- of five questions to the Court. I was deal- Poor Belief.—Meals for Ne+Tssitous School Children—The TYNWALD COURT, NOV.HAIBIF,R, 8. 1921. ing with the first question; that is, is much in the public eye, are subject to the there any real dissatisfaction prevailing in vigilance of this Legislature—does not the public mind with :regard to the present that :alone conduce to promote in the system? is there any uneasiness; any minds of the occupants of that office a con- under-current of opinion to the cffeet that skim-n.14 degree of care in the exercise of what exists et present is undesirable and their duties? it is argued that the re- is harmful? .L admit the hon. member's moval of the High-Bailiff from private contention that the question of the High- practice will take him away from the pos- Bailiffship has been the subject, of consider- sibility of being, "got at." and will secure able debate for a very long period.