Discussion 316 SHRI GURUDAS DAS GUPTA

315 Short duration [RAJYA SABHA] Discussion 316 SHRI GURUDAS DAS GUPTA: I THE DEPUTY CHAPMAN: He will am not pressing it. That is all. make the statement before the house is (Interruptions). adjourned. THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: There SHRI SIKANDER BAKHT: Madam, is a difference. I will have to put it to is there any difficulty in adjourning the vote if you do not withdraw it. House? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Z. हU : , MINISTRY OF PARLIAMENTARY ह, G ह AFFARIS (SHRIMATI MARGARET ह ह ह, K# ALVA): Madam, we all agreed that the ह ह ह, Z ह ह ह House will sit up to 7 o'clock from today onwards. The Home Minister is here. THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Since Madam, next week there are many you have not withdraw your holidays. If the House agrees, we can amendments, I have to put all the discuss the Vohra Committee Report. amendments to vote. SHRI SIKINDER BAKHT: Madam, Amendment Nos. 2, 4 and 6 were today we are all mentaly sick. negatived. SHRI GURUDAS DAS GUPTA: THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: I shall Madam, we have no objection to taking now put clause 3 to vote. The question is: up the vohra Comittee Report, let us do That clause 3 stand part of the Bill. it. The motion was adopted. SHORT DURATION DISCUSSION ON THE NEXUS BETWEEN Clause 3 was added to the Bill. POLITICIANS AND CRIMINALS IN Clause 4 was added to the Bill. THE CONTEXT OF VOHRA Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the COMMITTEE REPORT Title were added to the Bill. : हU , ह H ? SHRI P.A. SANGMA: Madam, I beg to move: K घ Z (4 Z) : , "That the Bill be passed." ह The question was put and the motion : , was adopted. K घ Z : , ह THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, a you can clap, you can laugh and you can do whatever you want to do. Thank you ह ह हZG very much. ह ह घ ह, ह ह ^ ह ह SHRI S. JAIPAL REDDY: Madam, what is your decision? , ह ह, # ह ZG ह THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: My G decision is, we will discuss the nexus between criminals and politicians in the G ह Gc context of the Vohra Committee Report. Z ह # ह, # ह, ह SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: Madam, ZG ह Mr. Chidambaram was to make a H Z statement. K a 317 Short duration [8 AUG. 1995] Discussion 318 K हc G (4 K U () : Z) : , G ह ह : ह ह ह ह ह, ह, ह ` SHRI DINESHBHAI TRIVED1: Can we take it that whatever time is required ह , will be given to us? ...().... THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: 1 can- † not say that because I cannot decide the :: œŬ ¢ øÁ » Ń˜ œŬ ¢ ŀŶŧΈ Ê Ńˇ time that should be given. I cannot com- mit anything on the floor of the House. Śⁿ Á ĶΉ ¢ ↨Έ øÃ ŗΌ Ķƒ Ń΅ ¦ ¯ ŗίˆ Śⁿ ›Έ øÁ ŁźΈ Your party Member, as I said, was in the Business Advisory Committee. The time ŗǼ Ã ŗΌ Ķƒ Ń΅ ³ ŗũŧΈ ÑΎ ›Έ ø›Ŷˆ ¢ ι allocated is two hours. For Short Dura- tion Discussion, time allotted is two hours. It has been listed, as Short Dura- śΉ " ЕźŶΟ Ê ¯ ± ¢ Ä ŁΎ ¢ " tion Discussion. But in this House I have ڈ ˆ≡ ŗ· ŔΌ ø ι Ķź· Â ¿ seen that if the matter is serious, we őƒ śΜΒ ¥ Ķˆ ¨ ¡ Ñ΅ ύǽ ÑŢ ŗΨ śΏ ¡ ›Έ "Â ŗΫ ↓ ¡ " allow it ... (Interruptions) .., Perhaps, he did not understand, so I better Peat it ..." ..." Ĺŵǿ ¢ ŀΈ "... ĶΡ śŵΗ ³Ô ĶΌ in English. I have to have discussion with : , Jaipalji on some very important matter. ह ह ^G ह, ह L ह ह ह SHRI S.S. SURJEWALA (Haryana): Madam, 1 want to make a submission. ह G ह G The Business Advisory Committee, in its K ह ह ह, wisdom has only allotted two hours But घ ह, in the Lok Sabha, as you know already, हZG ह ह a two days had been given for the discus- a ह ह ह sion. The subject is very very important हZG ह .... (Interruptions)^* ह ह ह ह THE LEADER OF OPPOSITION SHRI ...().... ह ह ह ह K# SIKANDER BAKHT: Mr. Sur- jewala has not heard what Mr. Sangh ह , Priya Gautam has said. c ह THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Unfor- Z# ह tunately, I fee! that when the Members ह G sit in the House, their minds are not in ह, ह the House. They are physically prsent. ह , ह ह, But mentally also they should be present. ह ह ह हह Two Members, rather K H # Members, raised the same query. I # ह K H replied in Urdu, Hindi and in English. I ह K H ह, was interrupted by the Leader of the G Opposition for repeating it. I said, हU perhaps, somebody did not understand Hindi, so let me repeat it in English. 319 Short duration [RAJYA SABHA] Discussion 320 ह ह Let us start the discussion ह ह a ]^ and then we will see what we can do. ह SHRI S.S. SURJEWALA: I just घ घ ह a ह ह ह wanted to emphasise. -R ह THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: If 10 ] ]^ ] Members speak, it is not going to ह ह ] emphasisse it more. One Member ह ह represents the whole House. I am also Z. हU : ह ह concerned and feel that we should discuss this very important issue on K .. ह : ह घ- criminalisation of politics. Today I am ह ह sitting in the Chair. But I am very much ह ह a politician. If everybody is a criminal, as [ , ह everybody is alleged to be, then I am a part of this House. Therefore, let us be very careful about what we speak. : ^ह ह, jft° fam epiR *4rgb)l (fe#) 3WRNfa, ह, Z. हU () : ह C ह F ह, ह , C ह ह ह G a ह ह ह C a L G Z ह ह " C ह ह ह ह हZ घ, ह, , , Z # घ ह ह - H घ ह ...().... - ह ...().... ह , ह ह K .. ह : ह, _ ह ह ह ह ह F^ K , ह, ह ह ह G a ह ह ह ह ह ह ह + ह ह ह ह ह ...().... ह, ह K ^ () : ह ह हU ह ह ] ...().... H P Z. हU : , ह , ह a ह ह? ...().... ह ह ह Z ह K H () : ] ह ...().... K .. ह : ह : ह ह, ह 4 ह ह ह , # ह K# K G a ह , / ह , ह , a , , ह , ह 321 Short duration [8 AUG. 1995] Discussion 322 , SHRIMATI JAYANTHI NATARAJAN: Madam, why is he , interrupting me? Why can't I mention, K .. ह (ह) : , Madam? His own party has expelled him H ह, ह G ह, - ह, ह from the party, you can mention ह ह “# Tandoor, I can't mention it! A woman is F# ^ ह found dead in an M.P.'s house, who is a Member of this house. She was found Z G a c ” ह K murdered in his bed room. He is thrown ह? ह G c ...().... out of his own party. This is what ह ह ह G yesterday's newspapers said. I can't ह G ह H ह mention it in the House. Why? Is it so ह ...().... because he is in the opposition and he is not a Congress Member? What is SHRIMATI JAYANTHI Malaviyaji talking about? Madam, you NATARAJAN (Tamil Nadu): Madam, I told us at that time that we should not an on a point of order. My point of order raise this matter, we should not politicise is that the matter regarding Naina Sahni's it, we should keep quiet and allow justice murder is subjustice. It is now in the to be done. If they wnt the level of the courts. However, we will abide by your debate to deteriorate, all rightr, then we ruling.... (Interruptions)... can .all come down to that level. But if SHRMATI JAYANTHI NATARAJAN: you want the debate to be at a high level,, of discussing as to how to save this The report which Mr. Ahluwalia has country, then we can keep it at that level. referred to is the Vohra Committee That is all I want to say. report. The tandoorkand or Naina Sahni's murder did not figure anywhere THE DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: She has in that report. No names have been said very correctly. (Interruptions) mentioned in the report. Nothing like SHRI VIREN J. SHAH that has happened. As a matter of fact, it (Maharashtra): Madam, Mrs. natarajan is sub judice. It cannot be mentioned or has mentioned two points. One point is discussed in the house because the matter about criminalisation of politics as is in the court and it will prejudice the arising from the Vohra Committee trial. Madam, the second part is an Report and, hence, this was mentioned appeal. If we want to bring it down to there. The second is about the matter this level, then the whole level of debate being sub judice. My submission on the is going to deteriorate into flinging mud first part is that criminalisation of politics at each other. When we wanted to raise a has a very wide repercussion, and even matter of an M.P. belonging to a party, after the Vohra Committee went into who is a Member of this House, and who it—for two years the Government sat on has now been expelled by his own party, that report—all those issues which have a you told us... (Interruptions)... you told consequence on criminalisation of us.

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