Fishmonger 1911
This group, with 21 household in the 1911 census, is descended from Elizabeth Kipling, via her sons Lionel and James. Elizabeth was most likely the daughter of Joseph and Mary Kipling (see “Staindrop 1911”). Lionel and some of his descendants were fishmongers in Bishop Auckland in the 19th century. James and his family were shipbuilders, moving to West Hartlepool, Whitby and, in the 20th century, to Birkenhead.
Elizabeth ,------|------¬ Joseph Lionel James dsp? | see later ,------,------|------,------¬ Samuel Joseph =Jane Anne Lionel John Henry Nathanael = Margaret Ewbank #42 dsmp #28 #37 #35 dsmp #36 #384 | `------¬ |------,------,------¬ |------,------,------¬ | George Thomas May Rowena John William Lionel Samuel Edward | William #155 #113 Willink #169 #62 dsp dsp | ? #350 |------¬ |------,------¬ |------,------,------,------¬ James John Samuel Henry John Joseph Jonathan Harold Adam Robert | William #32 #18 William dsp #33 Lionel Bertie Joseph | dsp | ? ? #90 ? |------¬ |------¬ John Adelina William Jack Casmere Theodora #82 #274
Baptisms, Teesdale District - Record Number: 711777.0 Location: Barnard Castle Church: St. Mary Denomination: Anglican 22 Sep 1805 Joseph Kipling of Bishop Auckland, born 3 Mar, illegitimate son of Elizabeth Kipling (single woman, native of Sunderland)
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 782009.0 Location: Auckland Church: St. Andrew Denomination: Anglican 15 May 1812 Liney Keppling [Kipling] of Bishop Aukland, born 23 Apr, 2nd illegitimate son of Elizabeth Keppling [Kipling] (native of Sunderland) 1
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 628604.0 Location: Auckland Church: St. Andrew Denomination: Anglican 4 Apr 1817 James Kipling of Bishop Auckland, 3rd illegitimate son of Elizabeth Kipling (spinster)
1 Oddly, there is also this baptism record. Was it a second baptism (this time at Barnard Castle) or did the first Lionel die and this was another baby? Was it even the same Elizabeth?.
Joseph may have died in Barnard Castle in 1824.
Burials, Teesdale District - Record Number: 674457.2 Location: Barnard Castle Church: St. Mary Denomination: Anglican 10 Nov 1824 Joseph Kipling, of Barnard Castle, age: 20
Lionel Kipling
Marriages, Houghton-le-Spring District - Record Number: 299870.1 Location: Houghton-le-Spring Church: St. Michael & All Angels Denomination: Anglican 6 Oct 1832 Lionel Kipling of this parish married Mary Ewbank of this parish, by banns Witnesses: George Wilson, Ann Watson
They had three children at Barnard Castle, Philip (b 1834, d 1834), Sarah (1835) and Samuel Ewbank (1837).
Baptisms, Teesdale District - Record Number: 575556.0 Location: Barnard Castle Church: St. Mary Denomination: Anglican 3 May 1834 Philip Kipling of Barnard Castle, son of Lionel (labourer) & Mary Kipling Burials, Teesdale District - Record Number: 498984.2 Location: Barnard Castle Church: St. Mary Denomination: Anglican 5 May 1834 Philip Kipling, of Barnard Castle, age: 6 hours
Baptisms, Teesdale District - Record Number: 575703.0 Location: Barnard Castle Church: St. Mary Denomination: Anglican 20 Apr 1835 Sarah Kipling of Barnard Castle, daughter of Lionel (labourer) & Mary Kipling
Marriages, Teesdale District - Record Number: 337615.1 Location: Barnard Castle Church: St. Mary Denomination: Anglican 13 May 1837 William Brownless (bachelor, iron moulder) of this Chapelry married Catherine Ewbank (spinster) of this Chapelry, by banns Witnesses: Lionel Kipling, Alice Thompson
Lionel and Mary then moved to Bishop Auckland.
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 863065.0 Location: Auckland Church: St. Andrew Denomination: Anglican 2 Dec 1839 Catherine Kipling of Fore Bondgate, child of Lionel (quarryman) & Mary Kipling
Newgate Street, Bishop Auckland. 1841
Burials, Auckland District - Record Number: 1015472.2 Location: Auckland Church: St. Andrew Denomination: Anglican 26 Dec 1842 Catherine Kipling, of Bishop Auckland, age: 3
Durham County Advertiser - Friday 13 January 1843
Their further children included Joseph (1846), Lionel (1848), John Henry (1851) and Nathanael/Nathan (1854).
Bishop Auckland 1851
Durham Chronicle - Friday 18 September 1857
Durham Chronicle - Friday 29 January 1858
Durham Chronicle - Friday 20 August 1858
65 Newgate Street, Bishop Auckland. 1861
Newcastle Journal - Monday 06 September 1869
Clayton Street, Bishop Auckland. 1871
Northern Echo - Tuesday 20 April 1875
York Herald - Thursday 15 March 1877
18 Thompson’s Cottages, Bishop Auckland. 1881
1 Saddler St., Bishop Auckland. 1891
Thomas Patterson had married Mary Elizabeth Kipling, John William senior’s sister, in 1875. Lionel died in 1895
Samuel Ewbank
Samuel married Mary Gilroy/Kilroy at St Andrew Auckland in October 1861. They had sons John William, Lionel, Samuel and Edward. Mary died in 1870.
Edward died in 1871 and Samuel jnr. in 1872. In 1871 and 1881 Samuel was living with his father (see above).
Clayton Street, BA. 1891
Samuel died at Bishop Auckland in 1921 although his intervening history is as yet undiscovered.
John William
John William initially worked as a herbalist in Gateshead, where a son James was born (I have not found any record of a marriage, however).
They were briefly in Glasgow…
Glasgow 1881
…followed by spells in Hartlepool, where a second son was born…
Baptisms, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 867428.0 Location: Hartlepool (West) Church: St. James Denomination: Anglican 17 Jun 1885 John William Kipling of Tennant St., born 1 Jun 1885, child of William (herbalist) & Elizabeth Kipling
… and Bishop Auckland, where he died aged 18 months at his uncle’s house (for whom see 1891 census record above).
Name: John William Kipling Gender: Male Burial Date: 28 Dec 1886 Burial Place: Auckland-St. Andrew, Durham, England Age 1
The trail then goes cold, until James married in 1902, curiously naming his father as Thomas William and stating that both he and his father were ‘artistes’.
James’s occupation was expanded to ‘music hall artist’ when a son was born.
Casmer (or Casimer) was the second name of Wilhelmina’s father. Daughters Adelina Theodora (1903) and Margaretta Florence (1904) preceded him. James was then describing himself as a labourer.
St Paul’s, Middlesbrough.
St Paul’s, Middlesbrough.
In 1911, John Casmere was living in lodgings(#82)….
.. and sister Adelina was living with her maternal grandfather (#274).
It seems likely that William and Elizabeth were the couple describing themselves as ‘medical specialists’ in Widnes, Lancs at this time and claiming to have been born in New York (#169).
This is because cousin Martha Snowden was born Martha Kipling, the daughter of Joseph Kipling (#43), who married a Frederick Snowden. Mary E Snowden was their daughter. Who knows what snake-oil he they were peddling!
What happened to William and Elizabeth after this is not known. However, son James served in the army during WW1.
Adelina married in 1930; her mother and her sister Margaretta were witnesses.
James was still working the music halls in 1939.
The Hub, Welburn, Kirkbymoorside 1939 (note the day and month of birth coincide with those on his birth certificate, even though the year is advanced by one – also the “KOY[LI]” (King’s Own Yorkshire Light Infantry)
Sunnyside, Stokesley. Yorks. 1939
Daughter Margaretta was working in Doncaster.
125 Thorn Road, Doncaster. 1939
James died in 1950, his death certificate showing that he was a ventriloquist.
Leonora died in 1975 in Cleveland district.
These are likely to be earlier newspaper references to James:
. Durham County Advertiser - Friday 11 May 1906
Walsall Observer, and South Staffordshire Chronicle - Saturday 09 September 1916
Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer - Saturday 06 August 1921
John Casmere Kipling
John married in 1938.
Name: John C Kipling Spouse: Christina M Costelloe Marriage: Sep 1938 - Durham Eastern, Durham Other: QMar-Jul-Aug-Sep 1938
In 1939 he was an ambulance driver in Essex.
Dagenham 1939
17 Linden Gardens, Chiswick. 1948
John emigrated to Australia in 1952 (see ‘The Kiplings of Australia’), as did his sister Margaretta in the late 1970s.
Lionel
Lionel married Elizabeth Howe in 1883. He followed the family trade and was fishmongering in Clayton Street in 1891 and 1901, with sons Samuel (1884), Henry (1885) and John W (1892).
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 850619.0 Location: Bishop Auckland Church: Wesleyan Methodist Circuit Denomination: Methodist 14 Jul 1896 Ada Kipling of Clayton St., Bishop Auckland, born 20 Jun 1896, daughter of Lionel & Elizabeth Kipling
He also made the news from time to time.
Northern Echo - Tuesday 16 February 1892
Northern Echo - Saturday 07 April 1894
Tuesday 29 September 1896 , Northern Echo
And so did son Henry.
Northern Echo - Tuesday 27 October 1896
In 1911, he was living with daughter Elizabeth Ann and her family at Tudhoe (#62)
Lionel died in 1928.
Henry
Henry probably married Mabel Forbes in 1907. In 1911, they had two sons (#18).
1939. Gurney Valley. BA
Henry probably died in 1945.
1939. Low Melbourne St, BA.
William died in 1994. I have been unable to trace any records of “Jack”.
Samuel
Samuel joined the East Yorkshire Regiment as a reservist in 1909, quickly getting in to trouble on his initial training.
Driffield Times - Saturday 06 February 1909
In 1911, he was unemployed and boarding locally (#17)
He was mobilised in 1914 and fought in France.
Western Mail - Tuesday 27 October 1914
He was wounded twice, being invalided out in 1917 and awarded the Silver War Badge.
Samuel probably died in Sunderland in1924.
John William
Thornley (Wolsingham) Church Of England Junior Mixed School, Spennymore. 1903
He probably married Isabella Stones in 1916.
John William died in 1963.
Joseph
Joseph married in 1867.
Durham County Advertiser - Friday 04 January 1867
At the time of the 1871 census, he was being held at Bishop Auckland police station and his family were living at Westerton just outside Bishop Auckland.
Police Station, BA. 1871 (“prisoner”)
Westerton. 1871
In 1881, they were mongering fish in the town itself.
Newgate Street, BA. 1881
A lot of fishy goings-on were to follow:
Daily Gazette for Middlesbrough - Monday 18 October 1886
Northern Echo - Friday 27 May 1887
Daily Gazette for Middlesbrough - Monday 11 February 1889
Stamford Mercury - Friday 19 September 1890
Jane and Joseph had separated by 1891, as Joseph was back living with his father (see above) and Jane was running a shop of her own.
31 Newgate St, BA. 1891
In 1911, Jane Ann appears by herself as a shopkeeper in Bondgate (#28)…
…and Joseph is living in a lodging house (#42).
Joseph died in 1919.
Lionel
Lionel married Elizabeth Newton at St Anne’s, BA, in 1872. By 1881 they had two sons and two daughters.
Wood Street, Pollards Land, BA. 1881
Son Joseph died in infancy but three further sons had arrived by 1891, Harold, Adam Bertie and Robert Joseph.
Great Gates, BA. 1891
Bishop Auckland, Bishop Barrington, Boys Church of England School
Lionel was living apart from the family in 1901,
Blue Row, BA. 1901
Market Place, Bishop Auckland. 1901
Lionel was still living alone at Blue Row in 1911 (#)
He died in 1919.
Jonathan married Lizzie Shields in 1904 and they were living in New Shildon in 1911 (#37)
He died in 1961.
Adam Bertie was a miner at Esh Winning in 1911 (#90)
He died in 1962.
Cemetery Registers, Lanchester District - Record Number: 1299547.12 Location: Benfieldside Cemetery: Benfieldside (aka Blackhill or Consett) Cemetery Denomination: any 23 May 1962 Adam Bert Kipling, of 26 Spencer Street, Consett, age: 76
I’ve not been able to trace Harold or Robert further.
John Henry
John Henry lived with his father until his marriage in 1885, working as a hawker and general dealer. However, he was no stranger to the authorities.
Durham Chronicle - Friday 24 January 1868
Teesdale Mercury - Wednesday 03 August 1870 (this is probably John Henry, as in the follow-up coverage below he is described as a fish-hawker)
York Herald - Saturday 20 August 1870
Northern Echo - Thursday 06 January 1876
Northern Echo - Thursday 11 October 1877
Northern Echo - Friday 31 October 1879
Newcastle Courant - Friday 07 November 1879
York Herald - Tuesday 06 January 1880
Daily Gazette for Middlesbrough - Friday 12 September 1884
York Herald - Saturday 18 October 1884
Henry married Sarah Ann Ballan in 1885 but marriage does not seem to have immediately reformed him!
Daily Gazette for Middlesbrough - Monday 09 August 1886
Chandlers Yard, BA. 1891
He was a fruit hawker in the 1901 census and was noted as being blind.
Chandlers Yard, BA. 1901
Sarah died in 1905 and Henry was noted as being a blind cartwright in the 1911 census (#35)
He died in 1916.
Nathaniel
Nathaniel, or Nathan, married Margaret Brass in 1875 (the younger sister of the Jane Ann Brass brother Joseph had married). In 1881 he was a fishmonger in Keighley in 1881.
By the end of the year, they were back in Bishop Auckland, with Nathan coming to the attention of the police on several occasions.
Dublin Weekly Nation - Saturday 14 January 1882
Daily Gazette for Middlesbrough - Monday 01 June 1885
Daily Gazette for Middlesbrough - Tuesday 04 October 1887
He was a fruiterer in 1891, with a second son Thomas just born.
53 Newgate BA. 1891
Another daughter, Rowena Willink, had been born in 1885 and was living with her maternal grandparents.
Queen St., Barnard Castle. 1891
A son Ernest James was baptised at Bishop Auckland in 1894.
Margaret then seems to have left home and Nathaniel was living alone by 1901.
Blue Row, BA. 1901
I have not been able to find a record of Margaret or son Thomas in 1901, but daughter Ruby was living with married sister Jane Ann.
Williamson’s Yard, BA. 1901
Rowena was still living in BC.
Queen St., Barnard Castle. 1901
Nathaniel was still in the Bishop Auckland fish trade in 1911 (#36)
He died in 1925,
In 1911, wife Margaret was living in Fulwood, Sunderland (#384)
Daughter May was working as a chambermaid at the Grand Hotel in Sunderland (#113).
Daughter Rowena was working as a laundry maid in Wharfedale (#350).
She married in 1912.
Ernest James
Ernest joined the Royal Navy in 1912, serving as a stoker until invalided out in 1917.
George William
This is the only possible record of George I have been able to find.
Wood Row, Belmont, Durham (Grange Iron Works) 1901
Thomas Brass
Son Thomas joined the army, the Royal Field Artillery, as a driver, in 1910.
Royal Artillery attestations
In 1911 he was at Shorncliffe camp in Kent in 1911 (#155)
War Medal Roll 1919
Yews Hill Rd., Lockwood, Huddersfield. 1939
Thomas Brass Kipling died at Huddersfield in 1979.2
2 One of his sons was Trevor Kipling who married Lesley Scott. As Lesley Kipling, she was, amongst many other things, the author of a number of books about the Luddites. Lesley, pictured here with a replica of the hammer ‘Enoch’, died in 2013. https://undergroundhistories.wordpress.com/2013/09/26/obituary-comrade-lesley-kipling/
James
James ,------'------,------¬ George James =Alice Jane #292 Robert | | dsp |------,------¬ |------,------¬ William Robert George George James =Annie Mary Jane= Frederick #78 #379 Canada Robert William #147 #289 | |------¬ |------,------,------¬ | |------,------¬ |------¬ George Ernest Robert Alfred George Walter James William James John Harold Frederick William Mattthew Thomas Owen Frederick Thorsby #292
James married Hannah Jones at Darlington in 1836. Witness Mary may have been brother Lionel’s wife.
Marriages, Darlington District - Record Number: 340242.1 Location: Darlington Church: St. Cuthbert Denomination: Anglican 8 Aug 1836 James Kipling (bachelor) of this parish married Hannah Jones (spinster) of the parish of Haughton-le-Skerne, by banns Witnesses: Oliver Smith, Mary Kipling
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 863444.0 Location: Auckland Church: St. Andrew Denomination: Anglican 20 Jun 1841 Joseph Kipling of Bishop Auckland, child of James (blacksmith) & Hannah Kipling
Prouds Cottages, Pollards Land, Bishop Auckland. 1841
Burials, Auckland District - Record Number: 1015188.2 Location: Auckland Church: St. Andrew Denomination: Anglican 6 Aug 1841 Joseph Kipling, of Bishop Auckland, age: infant
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 864207.0 Location: Auckland Church: St. Andrew Denomination: Anglican 23 Oct 1844 Eliza Kiplin of Bishop Auckland, twin child of James (potter) & Hannah Kiplin
Baptisms, Auckland District - Record Number: 864206.0 Location: Auckland Church: St. Andrew Denomination: Anglican 23 Oct 1844 George Kiplin of Bishop Auckland, twin child of James (potter) & Hannah Kiplin
Burials, Auckland District - Record Number: 1015859.2 Location: Auckland Church: St. Andrew Denomination: Anglican 27 Apr 1845 Ann Kipling, of Bishop Auckland, age: 5
Newgate Street BA 1851
Ann Street, Stranton, WH 1861
Pimlico St, Stranton, WH, 1871
Hannah Kipling died in 1880 at Hartlepool.
Cemetery Registers, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 1089722.12 Location: Hartlepool Cemetery: North Cemetery Denomination: any 3 May 1880 Hannah Kipling, of York Street, age: 58, married
It seems likely that he lived in Whitby for a while, with his son George. He married a Mary Ann Martin in 1884.
Stockton Herald, South Durham and Cleveland Advertiser - Saturday 03 May 1884
Teesdale Union Workhouse, BC. 1891
James may have died at Barnard Castle in 1894.
But who was?
Teesdale Union Workhouse, BC. 1901
George
Marriages, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 250917.1 Location: Stranton Church: All Saints Denomination: Anglican 16 Mar 1868 George Kipling (bachelor (signed) iron ship plaiter), age 23, of Stranton, son of James Kipling (labourer), married Ellen Mcgill (spinster (signed)), age 21, of Stranton, daughter of Thomas Mcgill (iron ship plater), by banns Witnesses: Alexander Jenkins, Jane Liddle
Cemetery Registers, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 1083643.12 Location: Hartlepool Cemetery: North Cemetery Denomination: any 25 May 1869 Thomas Kipling, of Pimlico Street, age: 3 days
Harrison St., West Hartlepool 1871
Cemetery Registers, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 1085416.12 Location: Hartlepool Cemetery: North Cemetery Denomination: any 4 Sep 1872 Mary Kipling, of Harrison Street, age: 12 days
Cemetery Registers, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 1085626.12 Location: Hartlepool Cemetery: North Cemetery Denomination: any 29 Jan 1873 Hannah Kipling, of Harrison Street, age: 2 and three quarters
Whitby 1881
Church Street, Whitby 1891
Whitby Gazette - Friday 02 March 1900
Green Lane, Helredale, Whitby. 1901
George died in Hartlepool in 1907.
Cemetery Registers, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 1118162.12 Location: Hartlepool Cemetery: North Cemetery Denomination: any 11 Jul 1907 George Kipling, of York Street, age: 63, married
William
West Hartlepool. 1901
William married Mary Emily Steel in Hartlepool in 1909.
(#78)
Cemetery Registers, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 1125601.12 Location: Hartlepool Cemetery: North Cemetery Denomination: any 15 Mar 1915 Ernest Kipling, of Fredderick Street, age: 3
Cemetery Registers, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 1126986.12 Location: Hartlepool Cemetery: North Cemetery Denomination: any 30 Sep 1916 George William Kipling, of Frederick Street, age: 6
William died at West Hartlepool in 1953.
Robert
Whitby Gazette - Friday 20 July 1900
Son Robert was lodging in Middlesbrough at the time of the 1901 census
Baptisms, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 988520.0 Location: Hartlepool (West) Church: St. Oswald Denomination: Anglican 2 Feb 1905 Ada Kipling, of 27 Gray St., born 10 Jan 1905, child of Robert Kipling (boilermaker) & Hannah Mary Kipling
(#379)
Son Walter was born in November that year. Robert then moved with his family to Birkenhead, where a daughter Ellen was born in early 1914.
Son Robert died when the submarine HMS Thetis sank during trials off north Wales in 1939.
Thetis memorial, Holyhead.
Bob Kipling. Foreman Caulker Cammel Laird
My grandfather Robert Kipling was killed on the Thetis. My mum was 6 months old when he died, my nan was left to bring up 4 children on her own, holding down 3 jobs to make ends meet. There was thousands of pounds in a trust fund for these people but my nan told me that if she needed anything you had to go and beg the solicitor in Hamilton Square and you never got much, only half of what you really needed. So many women gave up and struggled on and brought their children up alone. The money disappeared. It's in a bank somewhere, but nobody knows where. I feel that not enough was done to save these men and we should have an inquest into the deaths now and we may see that there was a big cover up and someone should pay for leaving these women to bring all the children up in poverty.
Tina Cleaver, Birkenhead Nov 10 2008
50 Rodney Street, Birkenhead (+ 1 child)
38 Rodney Street, Birkenhead (+1 further child)
Midland Street, Birkenhead
Robert died in Birkenhead in 1949.
Alfred died in 1968 and Walter and George in 1980, all in the Wirral.
George
Russell Hall, Hawsker cun Stainsacre, 1901
George emigrated to Canada in 1904, leaving Liverpool on the Tunisian in June.
1916. Souris, Manitoba
James
James married Alice Jane Owens at Hartlepool in 1873. By 1881, they had moved to Whitby, like brother George and his family.
Whitby 1881
Whitby Gazette - Saturday 19 August 1882
3 Horner’s Terrace, Whitby 1891
Whitby Gazette - Friday 07 June 1895
Horners Terrace, Helredale, Whitby 1901
James Matthew was the son of George Robert (see below) .
James died in 1902 in Sunderland but was buried back in Whitby.
Whitby Gazette - Friday 20 June 1902
Whitby parish church. 1902
Widow Alice was living with her married daughter in 1911. (#292)
Whitby Gazette - Friday 01 September 1916
George Robert
George married at South Shields in 1897.
Whitby Gazette - Friday 08 October 1897
A son, James Matthew, was born but Ada died in 1898. George, a sailor, remarried in 1910.
Marriages, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 575956.1 Location: Stranton Church: All Saints Denomination: Anglican 18 Jan 1910 George Robert Kipling (widower, sailor), age 36, of 135 Burbank Street, son of James Kipling (plater, deceased), married Mary Elizabeth Hayes (spinster), age 39, of 135 Burbank Street, daughter of Cornelius Hayes (mason, deceased), by license Witnesses: Charles William Frankland, Meggie Smith
George and Mary Elizabeth can’t be found in the 1911 census but James Matthew was living with his aunt (see above). George died at West Hartlepool in 1943.
Cemetery Registers, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 1157856.12 Location: Hartlepool Cemetery: Stranton Grange Cemetery Denomination: any 28 May 1943 George Robert Kipling, of 17 Adelaide Street, age: 69, married, died at Howbeck House
James Matthew
James joined the King’s Own Scottish Borderers in September 1914. Interestingly, he reports his father as living in Whitby but his grandmother as next-of-kin being back in Hartlepool.
In 1915, serving with the 8th battalion, he was hospitalised due to an abscess (which meant that he was not involved in the Battle of Loos during which his battalion suffered 97 killed and 163 missing).
In April 1916, he was wounded in the shoulder.
Later that year, he returned to the UK on secondment to munitions work in West Hartlepool. He was discharged in December 1918.
James Matthew died in Hartlepool in 1963.
James William
James was apprenticed to a sailor in 1894.
He married at Southampton in 1900.
Friday 19 January 1900, Whitby Gazette
1901. Albert Rd., Southampton
James was away at sea in 1911 but was initially mistakenly registered (#147)
James drowned in 1919.
Annie married a Thomas Hart in 1923.
William Thomas
William also went to sea. His first ship was the Glenarm Head in 1915, where he was “deck boy” at age 14. He was then successively “ship’s boy” on the Avon and “Captain’s servant” on the Danube, ending the year as an ordinary seaman, still aged 14, on the Letitia.
He married in 1920 in Liverpool.
In 1922, he signed up for the Royal Naval reserve.
He worked on board the Majestic amongst others…
… and in 1926 his RNR records show he missed the boat, literally!
By 1937, William had hung up his sea-boots and he and Mary were running a hotel in Llandudno.
Yorkshire Evening Post - Friday 16 July 1937
1939 register. Llandudno.
William died in 1981, at Llandudno.
James Owen
James was also a sailor.
He died in 1932.
John Frederick
John also went to sea, clearly starting at the bottom.
John Frederick married Ann Woods in Liverpool in 1940 and died in 2001 in Blackpool.
Frederick
Frederic went to sea as a steward. He married at Whitby in 1903.
Whitby Gazette - Friday 04 December 1903
Whitby parish church
In 1911, Frederick was presumably at sea, but Mary Jane and two sons are recorded (#289).
Frederick died of typhoid in the USA in 1915.
Harold Thorsby
1939 Register. Studley Terr., Whitby
Harold Thorsby died at Whitby in 1973
Frederick
Fredrick was in the Royal Artillery between 1927 and 1934.
He married Margaret L Peacock in 1935.
1939 Register. Cliff St.,Whitby
Frederick died in 1997.
Robert
Hartlepool Mail - Wednesday 30 April 1879
Robert died later that same year.
Cemetery Registers, Hartlepool District - Record Number: 1089308.12 Location: Hartlepool Cemetery: North Cemetery Denomination: any 27 Jun 1879 Robert Kipling, of Crossley Street, age: 23, married
Appendix : Newgate Street
“In the 1851 population census, Newgate Street (that is, to the junction with South Church Lane) had 166 households, some obviously well-to-do, for example the 'Architect, surveyor and accountant' and the 'Chemist, grocer and confectioner.' Many of these households were in the crowded courts opening off Newgate Street containing coal miners, hawkers and a variety of 'trades' such as mangle-woman, straw bonnet maker, nail maker, rag-gatherer, strolling fiddler, staymaker and travelling tinker. The courts opened through arches into crowded yards which must have had very little light and air, and primitive sanitation. 'In the courts and alleys, one or two privies are alloted in common to all the houses with open cess pits behind them.' In Newgate Street there was a model maker who worked at the Canney Hill pottery. There was Mr. Hollis, Printer and Bookseller,and his nephew, young Cherrett, bookbinder. There was Mr. Brotherton who lived in Beethoven House. There were, among others, an ostler, a retired roper, a brass founder, a tea traveller and three Chelsea Pensioners. What, I wonder, did the Vegetable Doctor do?” [Bishop Auckland in the 1850s. Barbara Laurie (1996)]
(Newgate Street in the 1890s)
Newgate Street, where Lionel was from at least 1841 to 1871, is the north/south street on the right of the map. Somewhat ironically, Clayton Street, where the Kiplings lived and sold fish in the later years, was located next to the police station!