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Official Report Meeting of the Parliament Tuesday 11 June 2019 Session 5 © Parliamentary copyright. Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Information on the Scottish Parliament’s copyright policy can be found on the website - www.parliament.scot or by contacting Public Information on 0131 348 5000 Tuesday 11 June 2019 CONTENTS Col. TIME FOR REFLECTION ....................................................................................................................................... 1 TOPICAL QUESTION TIME ................................................................................................................................... 3 Broadband (Reaching 100 per cent Programme) ........................................................................................ 3 Fisheries (Rockall) ........................................................................................................................................ 7 PRIMARY 1 STANDARDISED ASSESSMENTS ....................................................................................................... 11 Statement—[John Swinney]. The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) ...................... 11 FUEL POVERTY (TARGETS, DEFINITION AND STRATEGY) (SCOTLAND) BILL ........................................................ 22 Motion moved—[Kevin Stewart]. The Minister for Local Government, Housing and Planning (Kevin Stewart) ............................................. 22 Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) ............................................................................................... 24 Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) ................................................................................................ 26 Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) .............................................................................................................. 28 Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) ......................................................................................................... 29 James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) ................................................................................................. 31 Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) ...................................................................................... 33 Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) ................................................................................................................ 34 Annabelle Ewing (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) .................................................................................................... 36 Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) ................................................................................................................ 37 Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) ......................................................................................... 39 Kevin Stewart .............................................................................................................................................. 41 HUMAN TISSUE (AUTHORISATION) (SCOTLAND) BILL: STAGE 3 ......................................................................... 44 HUMAN TISSUE (AUTHORISATION) (SCOTLAND) BILL......................................................................................... 47 Motion moved—[Joe FitzPatrick]. The Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing (Joe FitzPatrick) ....................................................... 47 Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) ....................................................................................................................... 49 David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) ............................................................................................. 51 Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green)............................................................................................................ 54 Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) .......................................................................................... 55 Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) ...................................................................................................... 57 Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) ........................................................................................... 58 Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) ........................................................................................... 60 Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) ................................................................................................. 62 Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) .............................................. 63 David Stewart ............................................................................................................................................. 64 Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) ......................................................................................................... 65 Joe FitzPatrick ............................................................................................................................................ 67 STANDING ORDERS (RULES CHANGES) ............................................................................................................ 71 Motion moved—[Bill Kidd]. Bill Kidd (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP)........................................................................................................ 71 DECISION TIME ................................................................................................................................................ 73 THE WAY OF ST ANDREWS .............................................................................................................................. 78 Motion debated—[Murdo Fraser]. Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) .............................................................................................. 78 Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) ................................................................................................................. 80 Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) .................................................................................................... 82 Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) ........................................................................................................ 84 Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) ................................................................................. 86 The Cabinet Secretary for Culture, Tourism and External Affairs (Fiona Hyslop) ..................................... 88 1 11 JUNE 2019 2 But when we treat others as less than human Scottish Parliament we lose something of our own humanity. When we try to destroy others—whether physically, with a Tuesday 11 June 2019 machete, or ideologically, with our words—we destroy something of ourselves. It is only when we [The Presiding Officer opened the meeting at treat one another with dignity and respect, 14:00] regardless of our differences, that we can be truly and fully human. Time for Reflection Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu describes that as “ubuntu”—the southern African concept of The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh): Good interdependence and mutuality. A person with afternoon. The first item of business is time for ubuntu, he says, is affirming of others, is not reflection. Our leader today is the Reverend threatened when others are able and good, and is Lesley Bilinda, who is vicar of St Andrew’s Church, diminished when others are humiliated or treated Fulham Fields, and guest speaker at the national as if they were less than who they are. prayer breakfast for Scotland. In the Christian church, when we as Christians The Rev Lesley Bilinda (St Andrew’s Church, meet to share the bread and wine that is the Fulham Fields): Recently, I watched the Scottish reminder of Jesus’s giving of himself for the world, Parliament television channel. I have to admit that we put aside our differences. We are on a level that is not something that I regularly do—in fact, it playing field and we focus on the bigger picture, was perhaps the first and only time that I have which is God’s kingdom, and on all that unites us watched it—but a friend gave me a heads-up that as brothers and sisters, together. there was to be an item on the 25th anniversary of the Rwandan genocide, and I have a particular To say “Never again” to genocide means that connection there. we pledge ourselves not only to deter future genocide but to avoid the factors that lead to In April 1994, when the genocide began, I had polarisation and division, by treating one another been living in Rwanda for nearly five years. I was with dignity and respect—even those with whose a midwife, running a community health programme ideas we totally disagree. In this way, we pledge to with Tearfund, and I was married to a Rwandan build a stronger community locally, nationally and Anglican priest. Rwanda was my home. globally. From April to July 1994, as the world’s media Thank you. [Applause.] brought graphic images of massacre and genocide into our sitting rooms, most people reached for the atlas—there was no Google Maps in those days, of course—to try to locate this tiny, little-known country. “Savages” was the word that was most often used to describe the perpetrators, but for me, both those being killed and those doing the killing were my friends, my neighbours and my colleagues. My husband, Charles, was a Tutsi, and although
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