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C o lu m ns to Questions : rred Questions Nos. 407, 408 and 410 to 414 1— 31 Short Notice Question No. 1...... 3lr-35 W itten Answers to Questions : Stirred Questions Nos. 406, 409 and 415 to 426. . 35— 51 starred Questions Nos. . 4001 to 4044, 4046 to 4063, 4065 to 4079, 4081, 4083 to 4104, 4106 to 4182, 4184 to 4194 and 4196 to 4200. 51— 252 Papers laid on the Table ...... 253— 259 Petition re Grievances and Demands of Agricultural Workers— Presented ...... 259— 260 Statement re. Condition of Shri Jayaprakash Narayan and the medical treatment being given to him. Shri Rabi R a y ...... 260—262 Election to Committee— Committee on Official Language...... 263

iters under rule 377— ...... * (i) Map pub&Mfek *The Book of Knowledge”, Vol. Ill, by a publisher, Grolier Inc., New York.*** Shri Vayalar R a v i ...... 264— 265 (ii) Open heart surgery in All- Institute of Medical Sciences— Aisuma Krishna Murthy .... 265— 266 ed agititation by primary school teacher of Delhi Kto press their demands Shri Vinayak Prasad Y a d a v ...... 266—267 (iv) Function organised in honour of the Soviet Prime Minister under auspices of Indo-Soviet Cultural Society— . Dr. Ramp S in g h ...... 267— 368 (v) The Joint statement issue d by Prime Ministers oflndia and Soviet Union— Shri Raj Narain...... 2 6 ^ 2 6 9

*T J » Sgfl+tnarked above the name of a Meniber indicates that the Question w it *ctua8y asked on the floor of the House by that Mwmber. C o lu m ns

Mizoram Budget, 1979— 80—General Discussion, Demands for Grants on Account ( Mizoram ), 1979-80, and Supplemetary Demands for Grants (Mizoiam). 1978-79— 2^9 33*

Shri N. Tombi Singh ...... 275— 81 Shri Purnanarayan S i n h a ...... 281—88 Shri Jyotirmoy B o s u ...... 288—91 Shrimati Rano M, S h a i z a ...... 291— 94 Shri R.L.P. Verma...... 294—97 Shri C. K. C h a n d r a p p a n ...... 297— 300 Dr. Ramji S in g h ...... 300—302 Shri A. C. George...... 302— 308 Shri Kanwar Lai Gupta . 308—312 Shri VayalarRavi...... 312— 316 Chowdhry Balbir Singh...... 316—.318 Shri Annasaheb P. S h i n d e ...... 318— 320 Shri Dhanik Lai M a n d a l ...... 321— 327 Shri Satish A g a r w a l ...... 327— 331

Mizoram Appropriation ( Vote on Account) Bill, 1979— Introduced . 332— 333

Mizoram Appropriation Bill, 1979— Introduced .... 333

Punjab Excise (Delhi Amendment) Bill,— ...... 333—372

Motion to consider—- Shri Satish A g a r w a l ...... 333— 336 Shri Vasant Sath e...... 337—341 Shri Kanwar Lai Gupta . . . 342—345 Shri Vayalar R a v i...... 345— 349 Shri Hukmdeo Narain Y adav...... 349Maa*352 Shri A.K. Saha 353— 355 Shri R.L.P. Verma ...... 355— 357 Stui C.K. Chandrappan...... 3S 7^ 9i Shri D.G. Gawai...... 360 C olum ns Clauses 2 to 7 and z .

Motion to pass— 36ft— 371 Shri Satish A g a r w a l ...... 372

Pondicherry Budget, 1979*8°— General Discussion, Demands for Grants on Accounts (Pondicherry), 1979-80, and Supplementary Demands for Grants (Pondicherry), 1978-79.— 373

Shri A. Bala P a j& n o r ...... 380—398 Shri R.V. Swaminathan...... 398—402 Shri Mukunda Mandal ...... 402—404 Shn A.V.P. Asaithambi. «••*.. DEBATES i 2 LOK SABHA student diploma project in the Nation­ al Institute dft Design, Ahmedabad. The improved design envisages use of Wednesday, March 21, 1919/Phalguna a third wheel to avoid direct load on 30, 1900 (Saka) bullocks. The scheme is still in a conceptual and design stage As the prototype of the improved design hasi The Lok Sabha met at Eleven of the not yet been made, costs and other de. Clock tails have not been worked out.

[Mr. S p e a k e r in the Chair} (d) and (e). Do not arise. 1 t

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS : warw aft, # $ art 3 warmrt SHRI JOYTIRMOY BOSU: Sir, I gf t i |m # art have written a note about Jaiprakash- sit! ^ sit® \ih ji’s health. fwiwirr# ** frtnpr asrwf t?«r ( i mfV 4V ^ tft wtf awra MR SPEAKER: The Minister is go­ # iffr | fa s* ?rqr ing to make a statement. Now, Q. No. r f t , wfa* arn£f*pw $ srremr 406 He is absent. *t |f t i A *r$ *rmT ^nprr *— x* f $VS * ift *ft* STTO 3* New Design of Bullock Cart # W wft faqsrfwf *Tt # «rr (d) what stpps Government have taken to make the new bullock cart * wwit *rf*wsr 3 art W i I, $*t i popular in the villages, and with what results; and f*rf w* w fsrrcrnr vr am | (e) what is the number of new bul­ lock carts designed by the Institute so “English Supplementary Reader Sec­ far and given to each State? tion." aftr *T5 #*«srV f^rsr $ f*rq iltx THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY b (SHRI

% rsr 4? srft * firtw *rf t • *rpr#ta have also come forward with the de­ *T5ft aft # v%r | fa gif fi£??r vt * » sft sign, but their view is that rubber Iftx HK Tli 5PTT9ffi I # *rorH?TT ff tyres are not suitable lor bullock-carts fa faaf «FFT f»S?* *rf f , n « because that puts a greater strain on sjjstt «r*re «pt4 ^TTf arnjift, tft the bullock. They have made cer­ franft fa** wrc qvtflWt f*r#r tain scientific studies in this respect. v «ft |, 'fjpwr i fsfaq A They believe that the traditional, con­ *r$ vrht w ^ t g fa %$ fosnvr vt q<*r- ventional bullockcart wheels are ideal fjnr vrr fan*ft 9T* vr vt wm« ones. However, they have suggested ** $ f ^ vnft ’tttj % ito tr certain modifications. Therefore, there stzth ^ kt! m #*rn: f ? are a number of agencies and institu­ tes that are currently looking into this. «ft «nf mwWKi : #• ^te?re *t As and when something positive comes TO? It f^xt Atal Bihari Vajpayee, re­ matic tyres are used with ball bearings cently, we have seen many designs of fitted to the axle so that it will be lik­ the bullock-carts which were design­ ed. At the same time, it will take ed in different places. greater load and there will be less damage to the bullock. Whether you will consider appointing a committee *ft nftr m i *ws?hwbi€ of technicians to go into this because every 40 persons in a village of India «ft «jm«r m n «itar w ^ > : ?r, m ^ has got one bullock-cart. We are & m ? i still running in a bullock-cart tradi­ tion. Therefore, whether he will ac­ cept the suggestion of appointing a The problem is this. One single de­ committee. sign is not sufficient for different parts in this country and for different cli­ SHRI : I mates. Is there any design or some do not believe any committee is need­ particular design they are manufactur­ ed for this purpose. There are lot ing or they are thinking of manufac­ of agencies that are currently doing turing, lor the multi-purpose, for a considerable amount of work. We transpoi tation as well as for agricul­ will coordinate their work and take tural purpo cs and what not? Is there a decision that is necessary. any particular design which is uni­ form for the entire country? *wsr sr*lr £* m fk$m fft tftirrr SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: There is a lot of designing in this res­ * 488. fas irfMwr : wt pect going on. For instance, apart wsff r*r fa from the national Institute at Ahmeda- (v) vter It fenrr ?rcr *wr* trrcft

f THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AF­ ift Jf? «rra $ f r fim t v ofnwrr FAIRS (SHRI DHANIK LAL MAN­ fr smsr fr w»wr w ^ ^ ^ D AL): (a) and (b). A statement is *prnft «nft #t ? «n| affcranr *rarT $ laid on the Table of the Sabha. fCTiT far# #, fare# fr sr5fT tt fro** fFfnrr ? wr f t Tt Ci) Ravine reclamation, irriga­ TtT farrr ttt t t feTT *ptt fc, tion and cultivation; arrfrnft *# tt *reft aft t«s T f ? (ii) Roads; «ft afar arm . *r? srw i t fr Ttvrtfe#n^ |irr tt, Reports on schemes (i) and (ii) fr »n^f-sr?r tt i afr TFPftr *tt*t # irTTfft above were received The Schemes wnft $, 3*$ fan? f# $ttt Trfft* i required outlays of Rs. 283.62 crores and Rs. 24.62 crores respectively. «ft wfsr ffr|t wftftw vsxrw art, *r$ Rs. 2 39 crores were also provided for st*t «pt# *nr # srre fT w TtoTT Ttft inter-State roads. The working aft arm# f t t t^# fT Tter fr *ct*t Group also suggested additional out­ Tf f n *r* 8

f j vteT % 18WT ?w i* w «n^ dqted the 23rd February, 1979 under * * wnr WTfav fiwrer vvt W it «tt the caption 'Minorities Panel Row «r fa* tfttramt vt fa*r wr over Appointment'; w l ; stoj **** $ 1 ^ % 9 m m tt ft t *| f i nr $ (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­ f»m 50 IfOl *T>JPTT Vft «ft I ment to the various observations made therein; and

MR, SPEAKER: Mr. Patel, would (c) the facts of the matter and Ihe you like to say anything9 action/steps taken?

THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN FAIRS (SHRI H. M. PATEL); Shri THE MINISTRY OF HOME AF­ Mandal did not say that. What he FAIRS (SHRI DHANIK LAL MAN­ said was because the question of da- DAL): (a) Yes, Sir. coits in Chambal area was involved, that is why this question came to the (b) According to the Minorities Home Ministry. Commission itself, the press report under reference is highly misleading. SHRI VASANT SATHE: It should A Member of the Commission, Shri 1 not have come. V. V. John had also so written to the Indian Express. The views expressed SHRI H. M. PATEL: And to the by him represent the Commission’s extent the Home Ministry was involv­ views. ed in pursuing this matter, he was giving the reply. (Interruptions). (c) Does not arise m view of (b) above. So far as the request of the hon. Member is concerned, we will certain­ SHRI VASANT SATHE; There is ly ascertain the position. a serious matter. I do not understand how the Government takes it So casu­ MR. SPEAKER: The question was ally. This report which has appeared addressed to the Planning Ministry. in Indian Express on 23rd February, The Government requested that it 1979 mentions: might be transferred to the Home Ministry. And it was essentially a “According to reliable sources, ^ matter for the Planning Ministry be­ the Chairman of the Minorities cause the question is: “the schemes Commission, Justice A. An-A being implemented at the Central sari, is on one side of the fence level for the economic development while some members, particularly of the Chambal Valley area from Prof. V. V. John and Miss AlOo Kota to Etawah; and the number of Dastur on the other. families who have been benefited as a result thereof.” So, the question To prevent matters from coming will be postponed. to a head, the Prime Minister has invited all members of the commis­ New item ‘Minorities Panel Row over sion for a meeting at his house to­ Appointment’ morrow evening. This meeting will be followed by another meeting •410. SHRI VASANT SATHE: Will with the Union Home Minister, Mr* the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be H. M. Patel, next week. pleased to state: These high-level meetings wiR (a) whether attention of Govern­ also aim at smoothening out rela­ ment has been drawn to the n4ws re­ tions between the Government and port appearing in the Indian Express the Minorities Commission , O ral Answers PHALGUNA 90,1980 (SAKA) Oral Answers 10

clearly demarcating the areas of fun­ not be any reservation. The Chairman ctioning between the Government is helpless in giving any protection and the Commission. There have to minorities. So, 1 would like to been varying opinions on their res­ know whether this is a fact and how pective roles on minority questions.*' have you sorted out the difference? Whether a meeting with the Prime Therefore, there was a serious di­ Minister took place or not and whether fference. it was followed by another high level meeting with Mr. H. M. Patel, the MR. SPEAKER: Alleged serious Home Minister or not? I would like difference. to know all these things.

,SHRI VASANT SATHE. The alle­ THE MINISTER OF HOME AF­ gation was so serious that the Prime FAIRS (SHRI H. M. PATEL): Sir, Minister thought it fit to call a high- the hon. Member has travelled a very level meeting followed by the Home wide area. How he draws the infer­ Minister to call another high level ence that this question can have any­ meeting to smoothen out the relations, thing to do with the Aligarh riots, it as the alleged report says. I would is different to say. like to know whether those meetings took place? How was the difference SHRI VASANT SATHE: Mr. An- sorted out? It is stated that the sari’s protest. Chairman was helpless because there was no statutory authority. He could MR. SPEAKER: Let us not protest not even visit Aligarh during the riot here. days. He had protested. I would like to know whether it is a fact? SHRI H. M. PATEL: This question only relates to a report appearing in MR. SPEAKER: This does not arise. the Indian Express. He of course ac­ SHRI VASANT SATHE: This is cepts that report as gospel truth. We precisely the whole report about. Is have stated that there is no truth in it a fact that the Chairman first was this report. When that is the clear advised by some lower official not to answer, then what questions will arise? go. Later on, when he insisted and went, the official concerned did not SHRI VASANT SATHE: You have meet him. He gave a report. I would gone on record to accept Mr. John's like to know whether these are the version. That is what you have said facts? Whether the Chairman, Justice in your reply. M. R. A Ansari, who wants to give protection to minorities, reservation in MR. SPEAKER: No. He said M * appointments— John stated that it is not correct.

MR. SPEAKER: You are completely SHRI H. M. PATEL: You will see going out of the question. The ques­ that the reply which Mr. John has tion is whether there is a difference. given is this: “Sir, your political cor­ The report merely relates to differ­ respondent’s report on alleged diffe­ ence. Kindly read the question. rences within the Minorities Cemmis- sion is not correct in some important SHRI VASANT SATHE; I am re­ particulars/' ferring to Part (b) of the question te. to various observation*. The ob» (Interruptions). servations deal with the that Jus­ tice Ansari has “been saying that there 9B9I VASANT SATHE: In some *fcowW be reservation, Miss Aloo Das- important particulars it is, and in *ur M John say there Should worn* important 'particulars it is noi i i Oral Answers MARCH 21, 1079 Oral AmWen it

SHRI H. M. PATEL: The hon. Mem­ like to know whether there is a dis* ber has no patience. (Interruptions). agreement on this particular Important It is not a fact that the Chairman point about the appointment of Secre* and the Member are divided in their tary himself and what is the reaction approach to the issues taken up by of the Government thereto. the Commission. We have been able to work as a team. If there are any SHRI H. M. PATEL: Sir, again I imperfections in our working, we can­ must say that the hon. Member loves not blame it on disunity. This is one to find out little___ (Interruptions). point. This report also says that the What is this? He says, there was this differences were so grave that the appointment of a Secretary. May be, Prime Minister called them. This is but I have not received any letter. als0 not true. The Prime Minister did not call the Commission. If the Com­ SHRI VASANT SATHEr You have mission choose to see him, they can received a protest from Mr. John. always see him. Similarly, the Home Minister has not invited them either SHRI H. M. PATEL: I have not as a Commission. If the Commission received a protest from Mr. John. (Interruptions). Sir, the hon. Mem­ express the wish to see me, I shall certainly see them In fact I ?.lial] he ber either does not understand English seeing them because they want to see or (Interruptions). I have «,aid categori­ cally that I have not received any me. There will be problems t0 discuss, letter. Does that not make any mean­ they may relate to administrative mat­ ing? (Interruptions). You continue to ters, nothing to do with what has been believe whatever you see in the In­ hinted darkly by the Indian Express dian Express or wherever you see it. political correspondent. (Interruptions) SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, the MR. SPEAKER: Are they going to honourable political correspondent, contradict? Mr. H. K. Dua—I consider him equally (Interruptions) < honourable, you don’t mind that—has stated in his report that the major SHRI VASANT SATHE: Mr. Speak- objection of the Chairman was about er, Sir...... the appointment. And I quote it as MR. SPEAKER: No, Mr. Sathe. follows: You have put two questions.

“It appears that the new Secre­ SHRI VASANT SATHE: Sir, you tary of the Commission, Mr. A. S. have to protect me. Gill, was appointed last month after (Interruptions) consultation between the Govern­ ment and the Chairman. Prof. John MR. SPEAKER: Mr. Sathe, you is understood, to have strongly pro­ have already put two questions. Mow, tested in writing against the proce­ Mr. Reddy. dure followed in the appointment. (Interruptions) The copy of protest letter has been sent to the Government also.” MR SPEAKER: Mr Sathe, you have already put the questions. So, the contention of the hon. Home SHRI VASANT SATHE: Has the Minister is that there are no serious Chairman protested or not? differences and Mr. John has written some letter. On particular important MR. SPEAKER: No, no, points there is an agreement That SHRI G. S. REDDI; In view of the means, on other particular important contradictory and confusing state­ points there is disagreement. I would ments appearing in the press, will tfe# 13 Oral Answer* PHALGUNA SO, 1900 (SAKA) Oral Answers 14

Minister see that confidence is created Statement in the mind of the public and the minorities and that this misapprehen­ Utilisation of Solar Energy for a sion is removed wide range of applications, with spe­ SHRI H M PATEL No misappre­ cial emphasis on its use m rural areas, hension is there in anybody’s mind. has been given high pnonty by Gov­ The normal readers of the newspapers ernment Organised Research end like to read somewhat interesting Development, with significant financial news, even if it is not true and the inputs provided by the Department of newspapers try to make them believe Science and Technology (DST), have that this is absolutely true But there led to the successful prototype deve­ is no misapprehension in the mind of lopment 01 solar energy dfv such the! most of the people I say most of as Solar dryers for ceitam agricul­ the people, because of course, I cannot tural products, solar water and space include you There is no difficulty in heating systems for domestic and regaid to the Minorities Commission medium scale application^, solar- energised desalination plant, solar PROF DILIP CHAKRAVARTY I photovoltaic cells and modules etc would like to know whether the hon Minister takes upon himself the res­ 2 Studies have been initiated for ponsibility of explaining what he assessing the techno-economic feasi­ thinks, irresponsible news items pub­ bility of solar drying of a variety of lished m the newspapers as he has agricultural and food products, a9 sought to do today welj a-, m Industiy (particularly yarn drying and m chemical proce <5 indus­ MR SPEAKER Not every time tries) A project foi design and Then it will be his only job development of a solar-powered Cold SHRI H M PATEL Exactly Storage Unit, using absorption refri­ geration, is nearing completion Lab­ Utilization of Solar Energy as Fuel oratory scale R&D work has success­ fully resulted m the fabrication of *411 SHRI HARI VISHNU KA- Solar Silicon Photovoltaic Cells and MATH Wilt the Minister of SCIENCE panels for direct conveision of Solar AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to Enefgv into electricity Furttv\ R-VD state woik is planned m this area, espe­ (a) whether research and experi­ cially to make photovoltaic systems ments on the uti'irahon of sotax energy cost-effective for application in rural as fuel are proceeding apace m our areas (for community lighting, radio country. and TV, for obtaining drinking water supply and micro-irrigation) An (b) if so, the details thereof; experimental Solar Thermal Power Plant for generation of electricity has (c) whether m this field of science been installed jointly by BHEL and and technology, India ■’oordmates her III (Madras) with technical coopera- efforts with those m progress in other ton from FRG A project for the countries; and design, development, and fabrication (d) if so, the names of such coun­ of a soiar-powered water pumping tries, together with modalities of co- system is being undertaken bv BHFB operation and coordination’ m collaboration with FRG The pro­ gramme of intensifld R & D work in solar energy also covers laboratory THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI scale experiments for development of ) (a) to (d) A Polycrystalline Solar Cells, MOS Solar. statement is laid on the Table of the Cells, selective coatings and paints tom House solar collector systems etc. *5 Oral Answer* MARCH 21, 107» Oral Answer*

3. Various programmes are under­ even in the Prime Minister's time. way to Explore the utilisation of But who can tell? One never can tell agricultural residues or biomass to if you and I will live for 100 or 125 provide renewable energy resources years. I hope our young old Prime for the future; here, solar energy is Minister will live for 125 years. Ma­ made use of through photosynthesis hatma Gandhi once said that he would and the biological chain. Two inter­ like to live for 125 years. But India’s national symposia were held recently partition rather vivisection killed him, on: (1) The Biological Applications his desire to live. I hope and pray of Solar Energy at Madurai; and (2) that our Prime Minister will live for Marine Algae of the Indian Ocean 125 years. So that near doomsday Region at Bhavnagar. DST has con­ may come in your time or his time, stituted a National Steering Com­ or may be in the time of most of the mittee to examine, identify and for­ young men here. (Interruptions). We mulate R & D programmes related to need not think only of the older peo­ production of fuels from biomass. ple. Younger people are here. Let us The Committee is looking into recom­ think 0f the younger people. That mendations of these two international being the frightful spectre that faces symposia and on research proposals mankind an anxious humanity, hag­ related to microbial production of ridden by the incubus of impending fuels from biomass. It is also study­ catastrophe, is turning more and more ing proposals relating to the produc­ towards that — tion and utilisation of energy crops. MR. SPEAKER: You are becoming 4. Countries with whom Agreements Johnsonian. have been entered into for coopera­ tion in R & D work in solar energy SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: I technology ere: Australia, Cuba, am Kamathian, Sir, but if vou are re­ Federal Republic of Germany, France, minded of Johnson, I feel happy. Mexico, Turkey, USA and USSR. The Which Johnson do you mean? R & D areas identified for cooperation axe: (i) small scale solar power gene­ MR. SPEAKER: Literary giant. ration for isolated rural communities; (ii) solar drying end refrigeration SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: An systems for agricultural products; anxious humanity is turning toward* (iii) technology development for so­ that supreme, celestial, inexhaustible lar collectors; and (iv) field testing resource—the source of all life, light and demonstration of solar systems. and lustre, the visible representative The possibility of R & D cooperation and symbol of God himself for us on with a number of Commonwealth earth. The Gita says: countries e.g., Australia, Sri Lanka, " wrtftwr '* Malaysia, Fiji etc., with assistance God himself said; MI am from the Commonwealth Science Council, is also being explored. the Sun so far as the Earth and the solar system is concerned.” The state­ SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: In ment laid before the House is an in­ recent years, eminent scientists have teresting and a long statement.... warned us. denizens of this plundered MR. SPEAKER: What do you want? planet called the ‘Earth’ that our ex­ haustible fossil fuel resources are SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: I being fait depleted and may not last would not say ‘long’ but a longish longer than the next forty to fifty statement, but it evades certain point*. years. I would tyke to know when exactly in our country, solar energy experir&s&ta That near doomsday, I agree, may were commenced, and at the moferattt mot come in your time or my time or where they are being conducted, to * 7 Oral Answer* PHALGUNA SO, 1900 (SAKA) Oral Answer* 18

'Whteh laboratory they ar$ being eon- lia. we formed a group to go into this ducted and who is beading this re­ bccause this is a very vital matter. search. But l cannot say when we can find out the solution and until we are able to One more point which strikes me store it I cannot say that it will be just now is this Some years ago, 25 possible to substitute other energy by years ago, 30 years ago, before the it But we go on making experiments. Prime Minis.ter came to the Lok Sa- bha, there was a scientist here m SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMAH In Pandit ’s time—his which laboratories’ name was Dr Shanti Swaroop Bhat­ nagar—and m hig time there was SHRI MORARJI DESAI In labora­ evolved a device called the ‘solar tories wherever we can we are doing cooker’ There is no mention of that it It is the most inexhaustible source solar cooker, not heater There is no of energy It will be exhausted with mention of that device at all in this the universe, that is, when the uni­ Statement Has it been abandoned or verse becomes extmct Therefore, it if it has not been abandoned, at what is inexhaustible stage these various devices mentioned in this particular statement are, are SHRI VASANT SATHE Who knows they in an expenmental stage or in one’s life-time (Interruptions) some advanced staged SHRI MORARJI DESAI Who knows THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI when life-time will end9 Nobody MORARJI DESAI) Mav I sa\ Sir, knows when it will end and when it that I share the anxiety of my hon will not end But we are not working friend about the future position of only for our life-time or somebody energy It is true that the sources are else’s life-time We are thinking of being exhausted and the oil source future generation We have to work may be exhausted in 20 years That for them What is the use of working is the position now We are, there­ lor one’s life-time only’ That is not fore, seriously searching for alterna­ the question That is not what matters tive sources of energy and solar very much But it will happen I have energy is one of the inexhaustible every hope that with human ingenuity, energies provided we are able to find We will be able to find out some me­ out some method of storing electricity thod of storing it and then the prob­ produced with the help of solar ener­ lem will be solved gy And on that we wish to go on piaking experiments But who can SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH In say when the experiment will succeed answering parts (c) and (d) of my These are not matters where one can question, the Prime Minister has stat­ forecast that it will succeed It is not ed that countries with whom agree­ an easy problem The solar energy ments have been entered into for co­ is being used wherever it can be used operation m research and development The solar cooker can be used only work in solar energy technology are: when there is sun When there is no Australia, Cuba, Federal Republic of •sun, then it is useless Even now Germany, France. Mexico, Turkey, *olar energy is being used for heating USA and the USSR. Now, is the water But then water is heated dur­ Prime Minister in a position to tell ing the day and in the night it cools the House at what stage exactly these -down because there is no solar energy countries or some of these countries then. Therefore, that problem is only like the USA end the USSR are, be­ a very partial solution We are going cause they are more advanced, I be­ into it along with several other coun­ lieve, and they may have registered tries which are Mentioned in this greater progress in this direction than, ttttt&fteat In the last Gomnfconwealth sty* Cuba or Turkey or Mexico—whe­ Regional Conference held in Austra­ ther these countries, say, Germany 19 Oral Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Oral Answers - 20

France, the USA and the USSR are more advanced in Research and Deve­ # stott aft lopment in solar energy and its prac­ WTfffT f , infr *rr I f w rr tical utilisation for industrial purposes t ftfto far* ft far* t i vtot fttf to* and for agricultural purposes? What stage it has reached, an^ at what level f i f vft ft ftp? frsnf vxwt spwrr *!$• exactly our co-operation,—India's co­ operation and co-ordination with those ft *rh tan tft a* Svtf far* countries,—is at the moment? Whether it is at summit level 01 at a lower level and what exactly are the moda­ lities of such co-operation and co-ordi­ *r^?wcPF u n ff & svfcirft nation with those foreign countries? faqysyttw*nwvgtg 1 %m fkmr « r i SHRI MORARJI DESAI: We are all exchanging our expc 1 irnentb with tach *RT $ *5 ^nFRT i fap fnft 3* other and trying to benefit by them. 31TT* $ fa?RT * JTSff m ^JTT5r But it has to be done independently in SfaT tT5T3ff «fn faflJTT TtffSST t ? each country That is what is being done. li it is possible to £*v© some SHRI MORARJI DESAI; I have not indication of what attention we are taken out the percentage of how much, paying to it, the money that we have solar energy is used. I am prepared been spending from year to year on to depute my hon. friend to find it this matter, finding out a solution, out and help him in doing it if he then I might give those figures. In wants. 1974-75, Rs> 2 82 lakhs were provided for this purpose. Then it went on in­ SHRI VASANT SATHE: He will creasing. But in 1978-79, we have be very glad. provided Rs, 110 lakh® for th.s pur­ pose. So, it will be seen what import­ SHRI MORARJI DESAI: Not in ance we are attaching to this. There­ America; only in India how much it fore, it is not a question of evading is used. He has asked the question the issue. I cannot give any particular about India not about the world. stage where it is. In science, it is not Otherwise, I won't have made the possible to give any stage until inven­ suggestion. Then the question is that tion is actually made. Till then it is we are exchanging whatever we are all nebulous. It can happen tomorrow doing with other countries in all these and everything can come out, but it matters. Therefore, it is a question may not happen fop another 20 years. pooling of information. We are pool­ I cannot say anything. ing it that way. But it is no ufifc- making a joint effort. Pour scientists- SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH* can work differently, not togther on How about other countries, foreign any particular problem. That you** ought to understand. I do not know countries? whether he has learnt science or not, MR. SPEAKER: How much progress other countries have made? SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA; Solar energy is a very cheap form of energy SHRI MORARJI DESAI: We are all once it is really utilized or capable of in the same position. being utilized; and the tropical coun­ tries are likely to benefit most; and «roripi: ntftvr,v$tr the other aspect is that the clear sola? ?nrr*r t, $ ht*rit y 1 ffiror energy technology, whatever high ftqrwpn* TT-ftfirer isetw ffa wthrr technology we have got in the world' * 10 Jrnft n ftr 62wsr today is in an area where they do not* wfhrc $ r ifr stone m have the sun. So, may I request & • %i Oral Answers PHALGUNA SO, 1800 (SAKA) Oral Answers 2*

Prime Muuster whether it is possible •ft titm tit tarof 3 «ttw vrai ** ft i* to give facilities in India t0 the coun­ nr*rar,dt* 4*nwwrW< faSwrtgi tries which have got the technology m * m?r f * «mr ft «ttwt but no sun, to come over to India and ffttf wft anw sta t~ f a tit* * q*raff do that research, because we can enter ft 5 'nan: * ffa w *t * «r w $ m crsr^f into agreements tit &t* tit «PTfrr «T*»rr, *r*nrr *z *&ft i tit *11 JfT^ ^ fft# (Interruptions) They should use that technology, they www ? *rre*st f i are willing to do it I have heai d about •ft irtrrwft tw f it I do not know whether the Gov­ t w A tx ?nr?TT g i ernment has got the information They should be mvited to come along and Engineering Projects India Lid do their research and utilize our man- po» 1 a id hind ovei the technology t m due touise *412 SHRI PIUS TIRKEY SHRI MUiCHTIAR SINGH SHRi VA&ANT SATHE You give MALIK* the sun and they give the technology Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be SHRI MORARJI DESAI We have pkased to state about 21 institutions in this country who are looking into it and are work­ (a) whether i* has con-p to the ing on his question And if anv notice of Government that regular pay foreigner wants to come here and scales in all the grades have not so make an experiment and goes on far been prescribed in the Engineering working on it I will give him the Projects India I muled, facilities Let him recommend him to (b) whether H is ulso a f if so the reasons thereof •tt S tesiT«src fa rr f*F5rr *nrr $ fara «ft *ft fft ^ e i iry (d) v'hether any Departmental Pro­ $ fW fas ?>tt irfennr motion Committee was constituted and srm ^tran *rcr «rfw «p> * fen mar fisrcr # if so, when, an«i istfsraroT? tin farett«ft ?fr nm£ t (e) whether Gover in ent propose lo srer $ 5 grti-wr*; *ft lay down any cntena in regard to wtor crarrff ft k«tt sfcirr fr wYrfjfft faRT fVtfV n«r appointments, ^radss, rromotioiis i.nd increments in the Engineering Pro­ w i^ ih w w w ? rr m wmn 11 jects India Ltd, and if not the rea­ sons thereof7 W**$^ft«TH^SOT**rofttftft THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY wwtftn «ft *rtw tit *nn «rr, (SHRI GEdRGE FERNANDES) (a) verrwaft#vftf«rsirs?t^v *rrew«RT «pt i w wrfwn * fatf imrw *nft | Yes, Sir fVW$ITO*mfttaTST»rT*T*TTWTfaTT V* I fttr §*tt fro m t f«p ftra -

Hke the bosses over here, they require w r # «n# m* W m m * rat war f a different type of recruitment there. #^TTO^t< *T Have you made a deep study to create ^ ’nc xsrt # #w ^ ftnr f#fa a separate institution for international w % ywr# ?w thi ^ vrt amf# i H r contracts, for which they are going in f»r ^^HTOR^finaritB(rR#TW«R a big way and which is very necessary mk *nm i t ^ fa f?r # wr for our economy? Are they evolving a scientific management for those in­ ternational contracts separately so as Closure of Small Scale Units due io to suit the requirements of the time? non-availability of Steel Wire Bod*

SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: This •413. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: is a suggestion which we shall consi­ Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be der. pleased to state:

# nftnimai flmrtt aft, (a ) whether it has been brought ta> "aftf*r*rfT>r fwfaz* aft $, $ his notice that about 145 small wire *a#tmr#ntf fa an tost I drawing unit3 and other similar indus­ qwsn** r $, ?^*fartit ties being faced by the small wire $mfr€t it ?> to t *t?TT I i aft quate quantity of wire rods which is *r»rto an?T *tpt $ fatr ^ f , i t «r> f their basic raw material However, *TTO 5TT? 1PR fHT IW TO, # Wt»ft VT no report has come about their facing *RTT ftm I ? JffatT S^T ffSf Tt fatr XT* closure. viRft trrr itfaq i *fa»r it ir ^ ^ sfh **tt *m TnnrfitqT *rr irir favranjt medium nor the small scaV utw* are # fir t o it fcs# v fan? tare $ i fr*roe getting their enhanced requirements uftsrtwtro^^tsftm*?far tor#*t3t in full at present. $ fa itf #fa *# fc, # 4 *T| TORT f p g fa rr * arrt * w * »i# * qv #ftr *# gf (c) Steps are being taken to increa­ II %m w #fo i t m t it f gwr se the availability of wire rods spe­ I, # ** it Sw# % fwj f*r fare $ i cially by curtailing the distribution to other end-users like construction warn #, #w it fPwi# tow projects as they could make use of faf#fr#vrtfa ^ frorWt ^ other alternative materials. $ t $?rr ararm fa ^ «irM t «w »r «m»r faw i vrffs ^ft | i «F?t tow Action has also been initiated to in­ vn# w vttw I# |, ^arr *rtv»r crease over all availability of wire fr«N « n vr

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: Sir, I SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Sir, would like to know whether it is a if the hon. Member reads this question fact that according to reliable sources, and the Supplementary that he raised about 145 small-scale wire drawing he will find that his question talks units and other similar industries in about 145 small wire drawing units. West Bengal are lacing rough weather That is all. Now, he has comc to the following the non-availability of mild specific problem of West Bengal. Ac­ steel wire rods. Is it also a fact that cording to my information, the number the capacity of small-scale wire draw­ of wire drawing units m West Bengal ing units is estimated at 26 lakhs tonnes is 125 and in the survey ‘that we con­ in West Bengal but only 17 units in the ducted through the Develooment Com­ State appear on the list of the Iron missioner of Small-scale Indusnes. we and Steel Controller. These units have have a census of 375 units across the a licence of 92,380 tonnes of milri steel country whose installed capacity is only, black or galvanised wires. Is it 4,75,000 metric tonnes and whose pio- a fact that those units with a capacity duction last year was 3,56.000 metric . of 8,520 tonnes are out of production tonnes, of which the West Bengal for quite some time? units have a capacity of 125.000 metric tonnes which is a little less then a SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: This quarter of the total installed capacity specific information has not come to and whose production last year was the notice of the Ministry, but now 82,350 metric tonnes Now, the hon. that the hon. Member has mentioned Member is asking a number of specific it. I shall certainly have this looked supplementaries in regard to the prob­ into immediately. lem faced by the units m West Bengal. Since he has conveyed this information, SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: My I shall immediately have this looked into. question was very specific. My ques­ tion was about the closure of small- SHRI JYOTIRMAY BOSU; Sir, be scale units due to non-availability of has admitted that I have askel certain steel wire rods in Wo«m Bengal. The specific supplementaries. Now tell me Oral Answers 30 a legislation during the Budget Session SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: We of Parliament to provide statutory shall make every effort to see that they -protection to small scale sector by re­ receive the raw material serving certain items of production to this sector” 1 would like to know why is it {hat we find no mention of any jwrwr awrwff £rf«r such piece of legislation being intro­ ♦ 414. owtt* fin atfor 1 duced in the Budget session in the list tff> 9PTF^ fiqi f5p that has been circulated (fr) vn f t m

SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU Hf» said (*r) «rt «p«mr vr fsfarot t s ?tr during the Budget session itself T O ffSTRf # »W ft 1TPFTT Vft ft

- MR SPEAKER Budget session will go on till May (*t) w wrt ft # frpft *renr ^ $ fim ?m ^nft Hhnfiwfl # SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU Yoj are aTTW $ ITW ffRTPTt fit ^rf*l so generous to rescue them gsnfy W T$t

MR SPEAKER I am generous to (*) *rfil fit, ?ft f»MW ft ITRO^ ffaRT rescue you also ft tfurorr w ?rv frtf m fwm | *rft § s t f!T f ^ r x ^ | ?rr ^ WT TTW SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU 1 do not I • require that Thank you awta »ntfir ( wrra# qtsrfartac ) : aft i?t| ’t r irrtf nmr'Y (v) % (*) *rvr frr vtf «nwt *pr*nr 145 s ttw f 1 * ?rsr sitjptt fraffrw «r|t frr^ ^ 1 frflr w ift wi^tt gr fa w farft fw rfrw t % fTTBTR ^R farf^ST TTWt ^ sPrqm f«nrr, *nfcrR Utr ^rsft an# strtV faw «pt m *r ^ vara: farpft’ «ft srfa srs*r fqr ^*rr *rar «rr7 snrOTr wtfw ^ 1 ,cr5T *ftww # f^rnr % *r*rfr fro# v *rr ^fWtsr 1 li w Sfs?T sft fflr Tr£*r *frt Ir % flfBRF ftarr »rer $ «rcn> i r w t n s s*r sntr $ f I v f ffT KTNR fHTT | 5TOT rTW tit t v # $ iftK fw*rerr Pt^hr HfWrtft ^ *nww ¥T?r— 4 "TRf 74 $»tr jftrfr* fSt 'STRrt ^ I '•ft VPFft IPT ^ *CF*T?rT SITCT f*rr 3 *rrar 5 6 ?vn: wfcrj z* 1 $, ?RffR ‘Ft, * f # *1¥* ^ *rnr f t sm*

SHRI A R BADRI NARAYAN* In «ft ^WTRI *TR»ift VtW t «PT g fW view of the emphasis bestowed by the y* ^ rt « r T WW ^ (c) whether Madhya Pradesh is evmvt vt gfw *rw ^ w s ^ « w r supplier less quantity of cement cut «WT fTTT Vliffft $ ? compared its needs, area and produc­ tion capacity vis-a-vis other States;

«ft « w isiiWtw itpttN- ?n*w # and (d) whether the Madhya Pradesh *nyst i *r$pcps? # SftWtW ?*t*T |, HXVR sfo W Tsft $ I State Government are asking for 2 50 *r^t fotft fa** vt ?t at ftnnror writ | %ftx lakh metric tonnes of cement for each, *r ?n ^ i quarter but the Central Government is not supplying accordingly? stm *> # wnfhr ?hppt * art THE MINISTER OF INDUS fRY JfRT &ft Wt $ft 15tf JfrSRT ?TWR $ *$ % i vmr *t ftn? qtftaw q sm to (d) A statement is laid on the Table- v»fapT tit wtr *t aft ftrerfw iraft $, *t of the House f*rf*m stttw tjtsft *rrf?*f, *ft% swr *r fh* *5 pr $ t #* s*nc # Statement 9RTRTT | XTW fN% *Rf $ ft? ITTR^tr: TT 7*T mt wart * anrr «r®® ir w w vrm fcn ftm In spite of a tecoxd production ot t, aft fatrffrer snr i *$r w^t w»TCT cement during 1978 reports of shortage *m f i aimRw?T ?tr; sfan * *rr*w have been received from several States- % fT Wlft wm # fff flTW TO WftflT *V including Madhya Pradesh, as demands* 15 wm «rete* *»t s w fc *fk «w has exceeded supply due to spurt in m$ 6 *rm f a trfercr t o tit | i activities like housing, irrigation, t?pft iRrrrr *ftr *ft ’iww ^ s r $ f^rarlr power etc The quarterly allocation of V'TRT $ 55T*Tt *T fc«TWT ^ sfrc SRIT *TT cement made to the State of Mad&ya aft «ft ?*m M ir sutt ?>n ^ ^ i Pradesh during the years 1977, 197fr and 1979 (part) and the despatches effected are given below — MR. SPEAKER Short Notice Ques­ tion No 1 (Interruptions)•* (Figures in ’ooo fonnei) Don’t record Qr Allocation Despatches ( Interruptions)** MR SPEAKER Short Notice Ques­ tion No 1 Shri RaghuDir Singh 1/77 • 215 00 183 6 Macchand II/77 164 00 i75 3 SHORT NOTICE QUESTION 170 00 Supply of cement to Madhya Pradesh 111/77 168 4 187 00 1 SHRI RAGHBIR SINGH IV/77 ■ *57 3 MACCHAND Will the Minister oX Total 736 00 684 6 INDUSTRY be pleased to stae. (a) whether difficulties are being I/78 . 330 00 176 3 experienced due to short supply of II/78 230 00 180 9 cement against the demand in Madhya • Pradesh keeping in view its large size, HI/78 . • 180 00 205 4 industi lalisation and development projects, IV/78 . • 185 00 *95'* (b) whether the quantity of cement Total . • 835 00 757 7 supplied to the State this year is much t/79 200 00 88.00 less «a compared to that of last year (January **79 «o*y> ~ *% ot recorded. 33 < * « « Answer* PHALGfUNA 80,1900 (SAKA) Oral Answers 34

It will be wen from the figures given aft m tffr * m y frr 3 ftnr j f 1 1 above that the despatches of cement in wfw? wrw ift f*r *uwf *f ^ fiMWd the year 1978 were of the order of $ «r? ***ft *tt smntor $ 1 757 7 thousand tomes against 664 6 thousand tonnes in 1977 In the month of January, 1979 also, despatches have «rt ftjaft* fa f »tb»? Tiwrt v t been more than the pro-rata monthly *r«ar sr^r # * «um jw »r t $, allocation of cement to the State frartfo *ttpt * fp rw % «ft «pt Dfrqr an? 1 1 arcft *?fnnr * wt% vt arm «pft I 1 *t? The quaxterly allocation of cement SfiJTTTS* 4 9S 5rm %0 Srf q tw ^ f ar’TP’T This has not been possible due to over­ all inadequate availability of cement 3 25 5TPST ^"o £5T, *J3|TRT 3 J7 ?TW *t® m the country as a whole It is CTT, fWSR 2 52 wrar Jr« jpt, however, not correct to say that 3 so %o enT i 83 frra Madhya Pradesh has been supplied s*r i less quantity of cement as compare J to its needs area and production capa­ «ft ww awfrshi *r? arm *r#r ?rft | city vis a-vis other States When the f% VTTTT S T R Vt V tf $THT 7 ft % availability of cement improves it fvf% #^^w w trf«Rft#?*Ft 3®rm will be possible to increase the alloca­ fen srrsr i ^ «rwsr?r *f ^ ^ f^s tion of cement to all th#> States/Union fa gp a aRT»r»r$ f — Territories For Apnl to June 1979 ^ift srfotrr «Ft w t r t «nn l —xrtr wr ^ it has been decided to increase the errarx f t & *nft TPRftVHTO amNhr vx * 3WT f® wKreT *TftaFtr, q fsw ?ft*R «ft «??nnw fJnrt | aprt t wtto grew % arcft * ft w % $srt f*r tft *ftfir sift ’srtt f ftnroftrot g fr fr fa*n$ # 1978 * gwrer *bt ttht f¥r srm ?ftti *t ^r*ft ft i **r are forr *ptt farauft * * f ?r f*rrt: snrfa ft | « wj?r at farftaff «ft gw»i fw? ^5T^r«Fr i 80?rrer ^ i aRT?n fc tftr a if* % <*T*r z h vf?r «pt ^iteT n r o M t »htt t • ffar $ w* ftar I, »TS*T ST^r HT*PR ^ fP R *tft Tft TfT- M *reft zftypnvfr tftr fm fir-vrol ^ t f f e ^ T^m gtr 3 so 5rrer » p t ^ # 1 1 ^»reft*^*r *ft *rn« wfnfhi *rR?tor # % «TR*n jr ftr »nar Jt%?r v t ®rt f?mT *rt arm v?t fa fon^t # aft fimr *Ftet ferr » r t | 3?t% ^ t ^>nr ,f#*iT i y rf^ , m w ?rwft «rr *rwr Vt 1977 W 684 6 f*TC 2*T ifrt imnfar ’nrf t 1 1978 *t 7S7 7 f»TT Z* ^ t fe k W W I *pn:aRft irs*r ^ m *rtsr •? s ?rwr 1978 # qftft fcnrnft $ aft $er Si? ?»ft VT 5RRP# t, srf ?ff 2 SO 5TW 5*T STfit- *sirsTfcr*t

•ft ;snw wiWhi. nr tfra ij*r sftfte (c) taking till these estimates to­ % gm pr if «pr# ffa i # iTpnfhr gether, what is the industrial produc­ 3SPT Vt f*Tft^?r % 3RTT flW £ ft W tion growth for the calendar } tsar *rnsr *ns*r sr%vr art tftfe fim snijJiT, ®n>[ fro# 1978, and *fFT % sm'wi ft^rr i (d ) the reasons for short-tall if any «ft ttft w* «w w Ji^r v and the target-5 fixed for the nexl I 80 3TTO CT *T aft spfcT ftra W f^TT ipqr year? $, *r? *f*t 11 * (a' jpr t?r sncsrrwr ^tt 11 3 «r$ armr *n$?rr f fa? ?T9ff WTW % TFW ’TCVTT 3TTT and (b) The target of mdustiial w m m qr t $ * growth for the financial year 1978-79 is 7-8 per cent According to the index of Industrial production compiled by irsar srfrr *t *ft#j % f^n* sftpr tt tiz tfv w ^Wosr % i w t *rwnc s?tt *tpt? *>t v*ft the Central Statistical Organisation ^8RT |tr W?T >Ft FTTfpT (CSO), the rate of growth during ftra* tftte Ht

*406 SHRI VIJAY KUMAR N Formation of a separate Act for Smail PATIL Will the Minister of INDUS­ Seale Industries TRY bt pleased to state* *409 SHRI V G HANDE- Will (a) what is targetted industrial the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleas­ growth for 1&73 and the actual per­ ed to state* formance as worked out by the Central Statistical Organisation and (a) whether Governnent are sonsi- Finance Mimstiy separately dering to make a sepatate Act for the Small Scale Indu-> iy, (b) whether it is a fact that the (b ) the objectives underlyii^g it, and figure compiled by three sources are at Ifip i varience and the reasons (c) when the necessity legislation therefor; will be brought before Parliament? y j : (SAKA) WmenAmwerB '. 38

TH® MINISTER "*~Or INDUSTRY to Large (Houses or not, are already (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): va) engaged in the manuf acture of items Yes, Sir. reserved for the small scale sector, there will ordinarily be no expansion (b) and (c ). A major thrust of the in their capacity nor will they be mew Industrial Policy is on effective permitted to set up new units. promotion of cottage and small Indus- ; tries. Legislative measures for giving he big In­ (d) No permission was accorded by dustrial Houses from expansion or the Delhi Administration to M/s. setting up of new units in this sphere; Britannia Biscuit Company to Manu­ (b) if so, whether the fact has been facture more bread in September brought to the notice cf Government 1978. that in Delhi the Britannia Bread Mfg. Co, with a sanctioned capacity of 170 (e) Does not arise. thousand bread per day was manufac­ turing in November 1878. 320 thousand vtefhi ftwro *fwf fttr Tiwff breads per day; (c) whether Government are also * 4i 6. n*n im ft* : aware that 4 small units in this field with a sanctioned capacity of 50 thousand bread per day could produce WT 1*1*^ only 10 thousand per day during the fa rw qwsr qrc to# f r r for: same period due to excess production by Britannia Co.; (f r ) fJJT 24 tfk 2S vnxit, 1979 Vt ft $a*r w xmf & (d> whether the Delhi Administra­ m fa - qgPKtT & fa t t mi&r mfm xm i tion has given permission to manufac­ anrr fftfnr fiwr tptt ; ture more breads to Britannia Com­ pany in September, 1978. ( « ) q ft § t, ?ft ftfaw Tiwff vt t o - (e) Jf so, the reasons thorefor; and «fw?TT £ iflr ** 1979- 80

* rn w # wott wfH n $f finrffiHi THE MiKISTOR OF INDUSTRY fa*? *n? inw it ^ wsnr tt Rtf no xmh *ft fafcv # fai* District Industries Centres, reserva­ «rrcfiim an# *rf?t «rk 4200 wtm tion of a large number of items for fasfa i^jft ^SrF 14TT^$ftR#f*RTft?T exclusive production in the small fat? * 1# wrffr 1 ^ *ft fa*far faqr *rsrr fa scale sector, concessions in Central $*ft*r srrTT *HTT | I (c) and (d) It is not considered necessary to set up any committee. Government have already initiated a Encouragement of Small Scale number of measures and programmes Industries including setting up of Advisory Com­ mittees at the District, State, Region *417. SHRI KANWAR LAT, and National levels for reviewing the GUPTA: progress 'of development of small SHRI G. NARASIMHA scale, cottage and village industries REDDY: through the District Industries Cen­ tres Small scale and cottage indus­ Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be tries are set up by small entrepreneurs pleased to state: and the Government’s rule at the Cen­ tre and in the States is a promotional (a) what sppoifv* steps have been one to see that all possible assistance taken by Government to encourage is given to such entrepreneurs. the small scale and cottage industries in the country; Production of Salt (b) how many su. h new \dustries have been actually opened and started *418. SHRI P RAJAGOPAL manufacturing m the last 20 rronlhs NAIDU; Will the Ministp- 0f INDUS­ and how many such industries were TRY be pleased to state: opened in the corresponding period (a) whether the production of salt before the Janata Party took ever; at present is suflioent for our country; (e) will government set up a Com­ and mittee to study this problem and to (b) whether incentives are given see that the small scale industries are for those who produce salt privately? aet tip itt large number at the earliest; and THE MINISTER OP INDUSTRY (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a* (<&) If not, the reasons therefor? Yea. Sir. 4 % Written An$wet» PHALGUNA 80, 1900 (S A K A j Written A m w ert 42

(b) Salt produced in the private the area held by each individual mem­ eector including Cooperative Societies ber does not exceed 10 acres or 100 accounts for most of the salt produc­ acres as the case may be. tion of the country 5 Salt exported to foreign countries The following incentives are given by sea and to Nepal through State to salt manufacturers, for develop­ Trading Corporation Limited, New ment of salt industry m the country — Delhi, is also exempt from salt cess levied under Salt Cess Act, 1953 1 Assistance is provided to the licensed salt manufacturers out of 6 Guidance is provided to salt salt cess proceeds in the form of manufacturers to adopt scientific grants-in-ii for developmental and methods for manufacture of salt and labour weiiare works as indicated be­ to improve the yield Assistance is low — also provided to Saif manufacturers (a) water supply schemes, to enable them to bnng the quality of salt produced up to the prescribed (b) building of roads; standards (c) provision of medical facilities,

(d) developmental works (includ­ frwrr tit* tm tit frrcwrrtt ing assistance for mechanisation and research), port improvements for *419 «ft g*nw tngvr : export of salt and railway sidings; vio qtiv * and tit prr ^ fa (e) provisions or augmentation of educational facilities for the chil­ (v ) wr ot wrfwrt $ ftp? ftpt dren of workers employed in the nrr tit ft f*m tit* w t i t flw w ifl salt industry % far*

3 Priority is accorded by the Rail­ (ar) t i t * (*r) *nwr frwrtnfhr ways to sponsored movement of salt t • for human consumption and industrial purposes flwft * * mm -wf tit m t i 4 Salt manufactured in salt works of an area not exceeding 10 acres is * 420. tit f m ; totally exempt from Salt cess levied w w w ill W i under the Salt Cess Act, 1953 and salt manufactured in salt works of an m wttitmtr&titwmtfti f* area between 10 acres and 100 acres is subject to levy of only SO per cent (v ) m w*w* tit im % fo tor tit *nr- of Hie salt cess leviable under the spft t f w f s itit $

(w) $r, ?ft * w wrr (x) t) g ru rc i r t sqrfecr forf?r vt *w * (xi) mm* ^rrefr w «TTfV ?T^f«T anfft ^ 5RT% ^Hft * jfTO m*wv Hfa% «RTf m i ** * fa?F5fr qfCT^iT fan* m 5«TRi fou, 3TRT ^ * ZWZ TT# *T STSRTPT t I ( II) snrrfro $ $b to $ fatr fa-lfa sra?6T fa* »J* f | ■pwrct# W t o 5rnr?rr ?TRT 3TRTT | St fw^3 fnf fTf $ f?n? «n# * # «r*r^R rt* NF s,

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(i X) iftWTf ^ q%T iftm (V) TOCTVT^t WfTTOT WT «|* Tt ^fT?f fa^T WRTT t I ?rr*arfair v N f rp f j i 45 Written Answers FftA LG U N A 30, 190* (SAKA) Written Answers 4°

(vi) nfsprwft * *w $ gsrwft m*ny other awards proses and medals vt qrcrr s n w r mftr iftt tor outstanding contributions to *rftw sms f%q i t w% 1 Science for which thlere are no age restrictions Government would leave (vii) Vt W Rjt Tgfr gq the dibcret on for these decisions to 'rftsRpr f’nnr sf^nr the governing bodies ot the donor g r m t f ^ f^rtr 40 ^ v r a institutions. sr# 1 liwftsurra*tmmmrrn** iwimwmi *rf$vrart ^ st«t %rsrt m i «m nsft «pt ^ s w r r v t f # fffxt $ **r sftra vrtmt sr*rmrfr ^ ?> *ndrt t \ sfa *422. «ft ffWffiim **rf : «RT 1J5 Jj?ft sarrr^R ^rrnffr fw sr^s srt^rct $ %ftr HHif<«*» ^ am^ vt ?*rr fr *r*r?!JT q%rT mfa*fr i?r *rh ^r^r fRtfrr % * * m ft nt w ’Ttrwrr % wsrit- (if) W ^ # filf foFSft SWRT*T f^q-sTVt h^tt i fcoqof?ro# srrfa* # to 1 9 7 9 vt Tnrwpsrr to v ¥*r *r *RT*t **>t «BTf^cr«JT fa«ft S?T * **% * $ fofa fw I, tftr £ ft? t 3Rm *t sr^t n* *m $ ya-^cr s w f^ 1 ( l ) fr, fft fTT ’TTVR SfT r w < «PT TiWt frr iftd^rr «p> ^ «pr £ 7

«pr rnmra *f ttrt *rat («ft afro *rm ****) (? ) ?r 1 Age restrictions for National awards to Scientists («r) fw# are fawsft 3 wnfarw *rfa^ 421. SHR RAJ KRISHNA DAWN: STTT^far TTSnTWT finSTfaT $ Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND * to p r # to 19 7 9 ^ "TRimmrt vr TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: TO” v v* # trrr# v f^TT *nfr Tm evnxr *nf? ^ v^tar fatrc | 1 (a) whether the outstanding scienti­ fic achievements by a scientist can also be contributed beyond 45 years of Foreign Agency Creating Foot Hold in age; 24 Parganas (b) if so, how national awards like Bhatnagar Award recognising highest •423. SHRI MUKUNDA MANDAL: contributions in Science and Techno­ Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS logy are awarded only to scientists be pleased to state: bfilow 45 years of age* and (c) why Government do not feel it (a) whether the news item publish­ necessary to relax this age restriction ed on the 16th February, 1979 in the and recommend these awards for the ‘Darpan’, a Bengali Weekly, has outstanding contributors irrespective caught the attention of Government of age? that a foreign agency has been creat­ ing foot holds in the District of 24 THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI Parganas; MORARJI DESAI): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, the facts thereof and (b) and (c). Some of the awards measures taken by Government in re­ like the Shanti Swarup Bhatnagar gard thereto* and prize given by CSIR have been insti­ tuted specifically to encourage crea­ (c) whether Government propose to tive work by young scientists and enquire into the matter and take ao- teghnqtegigts; and certain age limits propriate action to stop the anti- have b«en prescribed for these to national activity as published in the achieve this objective. There are weekly? 47 Wntten Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Antwen 48

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TOE parcel of freedom struggle and the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS freedom fighters who have taken part (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL) : in it have been recognised as sucn but (a) Yes, Sir. Tamra Patras and commendation cer­ tificates have not been awarded to them, (b) and (c). Enquiries have not substantiated these allegations, there­ (b) whether it is a fact that 27 fore, the question of Government tak­ applications from freedom fighters of ing appropriate action does not arise. Malagaon in Nasik district of Maha­ rashtra State are pending since 1972. Demand of cement by and

*424 SHRI G M BANATWALLA (c) if so the reasons therefor and Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be the decision taken by Government thereon? pleased to state THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) whether Government of Maha­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS rashtra has urged upon him to Increase (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL) : the quarterly allocation of cement to Maharashtra as the present allocation (a) to (c) The Khtlafat Movement is too inadequate to meet the require­ has been recognised as part of the ments freedom struggle 25 applications from Malagaon in Nasik District have (b) if so what is the quantum of been received and scrutinized Of increase sought and these, pension has been sanctioned m one case, fourteen are from dependents (c) what is Government's decision who are not eligible either for the thereon’ grant of pension or award of Tamra Patras In the remaining ten cases THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY no acceptable documentary evidence in (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): (a) support of the suffering claimed has to (c) Yes, Sir The State Govern­ been produced ment of Maharashtra had requested for additional allotment at the rate ot 1 00 lakh tonnes per quarter over the Shortage of Black and White Films basic allocation 495 lakh tonnes It has not been possible to accept this *426 SHRI SHANKERSINHJI request due to over all inadequate VAGHELA Will the Minister of availability However, keeping in INDUSTRY be pleased to state view the shortfall in actual supplies to the State, an ad hoc additional allo­ (a) whether there is acute shortage cation of 50,000 tonnes had been re­ of black and white films in the country; leased to the State during the current quarter (b) whether it is also a fact that current acute shortage of 120 sue black Recognition of Khllafat Movement as a and white films has paralysed the pho­ part of Freedom Struggle tography industry and hit professional •425. SHRI HARI SHANKAR photographers all over the country; MAHALE Will the Minister of (c) what are the reasons for the HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: shortage, and (a) whether it is a fact that the (d) what steps have been taken to Central Government have recognised rush adequate quantities of (0ms in Khllafat Movement 1921 as a part and the market to meet the shortage? ■ j # ^ Answer* 50

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY fore, decided that STC will be permit­ (SHRI GEORG® FERNANDES): (a) ted immediately to import another 20 to (d ). Against the earlier estimated lakh rolls before March 31, 1979. demand of 150 lakh roll films (B&W) <* 120 size during 1078-79, the Hin­ (iii) for 1979-80 the demand for dustan Photo Films Manufacturing 200 lakh rolls will be met as fol- Company Limited (HPF) have ma­ nufactured 108 lakhs rolls upto the end (a) Indigenous production by of January, 1979 and would he pro­ HPF . .150 lakhs ducing 17 lakh rolls more by the end (by conversion of Jumbo of March, 1979. The balance 30 lakh rolls) rolls has been allowed to be import* ed. There has, however, been some (b) Import by ST C 50 lakhs temporary shortage due to delay in the Total 200 lakhs arrival ol imported stocks. The representatives of All India Federation of Photographic Trades It was understood Chat any short­ Association and Delhi Professional fall in production of HPF, assessed on Photographers Association held meet­ a quarterly basis will be met by im­ ings with Minister of Industries and ports in the coming quarter. concerned officials of the Ministry on the 22nd February, 1979 as a result of (iv) In order to overcome imme­ which the following decisions were, diate shortage, STC will be asked among others, arrived at: — to explore possibility of airlift provided the additional charge can (i) The demand for black and be borne by the trade. HPF will be white still photographic film of 120 requested to:— size in the country was agreed to be 200 lakhs rolls per annum. The (a) increase its production to potential for future growth would the maximum during the remain­ be assessed and provided for. ing period; (b) Send its entire available (ii) During the current year stocks to the markets at Bombay, (1978-79) the availability is as fol­ Delhi, Calcutta and Madras; low®:— (c) airlift, if necessary, avail­ able stocks to the metropolitan (a) Indigenous production cities at its own cost; by H PF . lao lakhs (d) import black and white still photographic film jumbo rolls by (b) Import by STC (1977-78) 60 lakhs air in order to step up its pro­ Quantity for 1977-78 im­ duction programme. ported oniy during 1978- 79 • * 3 0 lakh* Necessary action has already been (85 lakhs al­ ready im ­ initiated to implement these deci­ ported) sions. tt is, therefore, hoped that the supply position of roll films (B&W) Quantity to be imported during 1978-79 . 30 lakh* will improve shortly.

Total . 60 lakhs The representatives of the trade were also informed that HPF has entered into a collaboration agree­ . S jM w to • . bttwwn daman* •mlniMy rt tDtald* It m , then- ment with OBWO,GDR for the manu­ facture of still roll films indigenously 5i Written Answers [ MARCH 21, 1979 WrtttSMi Answer t and that production would start in 1979-80. Pull self-efficiency in roll * w f wwr films will be reached in 1980-81. 4002. t vtm : Tier w it Rut :

Suicide by a Lok Sabha En*i»foj*ee m t?*t ft : (*p) mr fa 4001. SHRI BHAGAT RAM: Will 3 -ri'fasnrr* * 26 Tt for# $ m the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be # JFim mr, «ftr pleased to state: (ar) arfr $t, ?fV s* w 3 (a) whether he had ordered a 3 nrr ? probe into IhP cncumstances leading to suicide oi a L°k Sabha employee, ^ *TeTRTO if W ifoft H^fT *11t t and *mrar) : (Tjartsnft, «ftarT^ i * 2 6 3PT«rftTt TT# f e w T ^ (b) if so, what are the finding*,’ TOT «TT r fT ^ tfto rixfo $0 ^ T® ?«lTrff

f f ^pjt iff tot ^ vri'w s$wrt ^ missible. Import oil woollen rags is vawi f*n%^vpfasrwvtfafcnrfaft canalised through the STC. T O I Representations have been received («) *fk (n) ifartlW fafww a*rr from the industry for decanalisation srfaijT qr nr ff^rvfpf m r *rfesr v h iw of woollen rags imports. However, sm ist *rf ftnnfwt $ w h w *fwr< # Government have not considered it frowNr WRRsft »ftf?r ^t q*rfar ^ g^Tt srt proper to decanalise the import of fwr $ ^nr flW rfw smpfor ^ $ fatr wj woollen rags in view of the large scale star 1 ^fr? arfr * r 3 srct? « r at import of second-hand garments into »rf I ?rrfsp f® wfft ^t ’jrr *pt# t t 3 vrtff the country in 1971-72 under a mis- wr$<■»•- . tn> ut_ x fatsT-i **■ r-_ -rv. _ it#*■»_ •»■ ffWt-_ declaration as rags. IW ^nPCTT w miWcf qr

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4004. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- ( * ) 1975, 1976, 1H77 DIA: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY 1978 3 *$ $ TOT WT $ «fh S*T tr*fa be pleased to state: 3 srfa * f ut f^rrr |«rr t * w^rfsr fTtr ^rPR^r srm (a) whether it is not a fact that ?r *ptwt w , woollen industry has been experi­ encing hardship due to adequate raw (9 ) 8TFI ^ VWfd % fau fa?r- materials for manufacture of blan­ 5ft «rmfiraft *ft *j?*r % wnrreT kets to promote its export; pttwt »pt t ,

(b) if so, whether it is also not a (*t) smt ^ tmrra- fact that the industry has pleaded for vttttt%

(*r) *wht ®fRfT t Pp isrfwrftiw srpf Import of raw wool is on OGL while Ir m?«rt ^fwigg1 «r^ Ir ^ 1 M ffev the iovPert of waste wool has been w t ist www t ft * 5 W ritten Answers MARCH 21, 1179 Written Answers $6

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1975-76 155 8 59 49 1976-77 207 7 58 39 1977-78 178 3 71 03 1978-79 165 2 73 00 (wrfcw) (tnfanr)

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Clearance of Handloom CloHi (b) if so, what is the rate of inter­ est, 4006 SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will (c) whether the State Government i be Miwster of INDUSTRY be pleated have requested the Union Govern- -to state: ment to make it a 10 year interest Ca) whether Government have free loan in view of the present posi­ sanctioned any loan for the clearance tion of handloom industry; and tit the accumulated stock of handloom (d) if so, the reaction of Govern­ cloth in 1077* ment thereon? $7 Oral Answers PHALGUNA 30,1900 (SAKA) Oral Answers 5*.

THE MINISTER OF 8TA1S IK «rr wrtwr# m m ^nft *fr»fr 186 sfilWlf TBS MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY %JTCT VX 75 SrtfllRT fa*TT »WT | (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YA- trfc*ir*mvT 5 1 %o pt# % fwtT jvtfR fwrr »w tt handloom doth. «TRW ftnrr TfT I «ik XeT^M)- amR ?ptt rfhalfiwl Prto f«m ^ *nwr*r % (b) 53 per annum ^ $ w r tc imrn tan x^t Is stot 51 lr® *t« wuptt v f w r CT-ft TT sjfir (c) & )d) Yes, Sir. The Govern­ f w 3 7 5 w ? fprR ^ vmr ment of Kerala had made a request. mn t < It is, however, learnt from the P&AO that the loan with interest has since been repaid As such, no action lies on the Part of the Central Govern­ Pay Scales of Cosmetic Supervisor in ment BARC

wtffwr srcrta *r> sftwng* 4$ «rt sftffc 4008. SHRI R K MHALGI: Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased to state: 4007 EftCT TO7 TW wt iftfM , Centre (BARC) Trombay, Bombay,

(w ) sh sr* ^ sns ?r*r *jtt fafV s «F?ra ^rt? g «f>r ?rfc a ssip »n? ? (b) the prescribed revised scale of fft wrr f 7 pay £or the post of Cosmetic Super­ visor in BARC, Bombay,

saw J*ra& («ft tw f) : (*r) (c) whether a number of persons xft? (« r ) w ■Him q?r wrenr jw h performing the duties of Cosmetic $ ’%&*< % *5 1971-72 ^ SW- Supervisor are not being paid as per swfrr fnsrr wnfiwr #art ftfwsr qfast «st the scales prescribed for the post, fTfftar $ ifr qjprfir jwr «rf fttf snwr trrow- (d) if so, how many such persons qtft $ faqfira 3 vftx *n»l ”*BT^Nn^V are there and for what period they afpnrr i t 1 *nftora*wi?fr have been working as Cosmetic Su­ fnrnr 9«fV fair ^t »if trnrfinr «rtr pervisors without getting the pres* fr*R3F-^ ^hjt *i*t «rk 3^

•equivalent and Sanitary inspector's during the years 1973-76, 1976-77 = Diploma of fhe All India Institute ot 1977*7$ or over 85 per cent of the in­ Local Self-Government or any similar stalled capacity of the unit, whichever institution. Since the required num­ is higher. No general permission has ber of qualified persons were not avail­ been given to any private company to able one Upper Division. Clerk (scale produce more cement than their licen­ of pay Es. 330—560) and one Trades- sed capacity. However, as per the man ‘C’ (Rs. 330—480) working in the prevailing policy on mduslnai Licens­ Cosmetic Maintenance Section itself ing, actual production upto 25 per cent were, m the exigencies o£ work, also in excess ot their licensed capacity .asked to attend to certain supervisory will not constitute contravention of the functions These two persons could licensing conditions provided:— not, however, be given the pay of the post of Cosmetic Supervisor as they (i) No additional plant and ma­ did not have the necessary qualifica­ chinery is installed except minor tions There was, therefore, no discri­ balancing equipment procured in­ mination in this. The UDC has since digenously; been posted on normal clerical duties. The Tradesman *C' will also be reliev­ (li) No additional expenditure of ed of his supervisory duties shortly, foreign exchange is involved; and as soon as the qualified person who has already been selected joins duties (iii) The extra production does not occasion any additional demand for scarce raw materials. Production of Cement by Private Companies Updating of the Indian Automotive 4009. SHRI AMARSINH V. RA- Industry THAWA: Will the Minister of IN­ DUSTRY be pleased to state : 4010. SHRI A R. BADRI NARAYAN: (a) whether Government have re­ SHRI M. V. CHANDRA- cently permitted private companies to SHEKHARA MURTHY: produce more cement m their con­ cern; SHRI P. M. SAYEED: (b) if so, the names of those com­ Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: panies and the quantity permitted: (c) whether the permission 1* in (a) whether Government have ask­ accordance with the declared policy ed the French Automobile Manufac­ of Government in this regard, and turers Renault and Berliet to submit the firm proposal regarding the up­ (d) if not, what are the reasons for dating of the Indian automotive In­ granting such permission’ dustry;

THE MINISTER OP STATE IN (b) if so, whether this had become THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY necessary because the French com­ (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD panies had failed to submit their YADAV) • (a) to (d). A cash incen­ firm proposals; tive of Rs 30 per tonne was announced in June, 1978 to all producers of (c) whether any French delegation Kmnent both in the Public and Private had visited India in this regard dur­ ‘Sector for that quantum of produc­ ing the month of February, 1979: and tion of cement achieved by them •during the period from 1st April, 1978 (d) if so, whether any fixed date to 31st March, 1979 exceeding the best has been set for them in submitting -production of each unit in any year the proposal? 6 t Written Annwrt FHALGUNA. SO, 1806 (SAKA) Written Answers *a

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ( * ) f w 254 fvP#nrt/«prt * *rrefta t h e MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY) f iflwi’ft an rn ^ ^ 'w r 1 w # m iR (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): "5*fT ff®TT *PPTf?T*ft AWT f^*R ?wt wFsrt srrerfw was held in December, 1978 m 5®?rr® «ft «fhr swssr $ 1 the Ministry ot Commerce when the French Minister of Foreign Trade visited India, a French Economic Dele­ gation visited India in February 1979 Posting of Personnel of All India with a view to identifying areas of Services in Home Towns economic and industrial cooperation between the two countries. One area 4012 SHRI MANOHAR LAL Will identified related to the up- the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be gradation and development of pleased to state the automotive industry in eluding augmentation of the manu­ (a) what is the present policy and facture of commercial vehicles. The criteria of posting personnel of All representatives of the delegation, India Services m their home towns which included representatives of Ber- and home States, liet/Renault/Peugeot stated that they would be sending proposals to the (b) whether posting of personnel based on their of All India Services m their home studies. These proposals are expect­ towns and home States is one of the ed to be received in April, 1979 and cause and source of corruption and would be considered by the Govern­ malpractice, and due to this the Ad­ ment when received. ministrative Reforms Commission made recommendation against the present policy of the Government; ftftfaqfrn wiwtt M and fWT WIT (c) what effective steps thp Gov­ 4 0 1 1. f«rm*r w w : *rr ernment propose to take in the t t irf ^ frr % matter to make the administration clean’ ( v ) $ w rft, 1979 # irnftfSRT rrftfovftn m m t t if vrrvr # THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE f*rf*TcT faa# wn # ^o*rt ^ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS fWt «ftr w $ wr«r f f i r c r c t AND IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, ftfafr ^st ^ w * ifmmr xfn JUSTICE AND COMPANY AF­ FAIRS (SHRI S D PATIL): (a) (w) nr tfTr *t- The allocation of directly rec­ wvrft ^ ^ ^ f w 'fwT ruited members of the IAS/IPS to various State Cadres is made in ac­ fitr * t*t ^ ? cordance with certain well-defined princip’es, details of vlveh are avail­ **wm % t t mut able m the Annual Administrative Re­ v ) fo&ft.... H iGTTO, ^ n 1979 ^ .... $ ports 1976-77 for the Department of v Witsrt *rm r *m n i«r?vrv VTfwt Personnel and Administrative Re­ jw 43 04 wm $ wfcr «pr M forms, copies of which were laid on «»# I UPfr WfafoRT ^ STWJr 78 >P^» the Table of the House After Cadre *fit <5^Rrre5 «ft Jn^r sf 1 vftrar allocation, their posting within the ArUft «jar w ?rftr m m State is the concern of the respective

(b) No, Sir. The Administrative Re­ in Udaipttr during the month of Feb­ forms Commission did not make any ruary, 1979; recommendation regarding posting of officers of All India Services in home (b) the names of the foreign coun­ towns and home States. tries which participated in the con­ (c) Does not arise. ference;

(c) the nature of the discussion* Political Pension to Freedom Fighters held and decisions arrived at; and of Agra

4013. SHRI SURENDRA BIKRAM : (d) whether Government have re­ Will the Minister oi HOME AFFAIRS ceived anv report relating to tne be pleased to state: problems of this community which weie discussed dunng the Conference (a) the number of freedom fighter* and if so, the reaction of Government out of those who were involved In thereto? Agra conspiracy case, 1932 and are getting political pension; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN r* HE (b) whether it is also a fact that MINISTRY OF HOME AFP AIRS the approver in this case is also get­ (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL;: (a) ting political pension and if so, the The Reformists Group of the Dawoodi reasons therefor? Bhora organised a Conference at Ud

(a) whether the Second World THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Dawoodi Bohra Conference was held MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND 6g Written Answers PiHALGUNA 30, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers $6

if* THE MINISTRY OP LAW, JUS­ (SH R I s D. PATIL); (a) The relevant TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS details are as under.—

( 0 (2)

Number of tear gas Number of Number of Year shells/ rounds occasion tear smoke hred grenade used

1978 ...... 85 26

8 9

(b) The details aie as below :—

(t) (2) (3) (4)

Year Persons Persons Nunber of killed injured occasions

1978 .... . 2 291 26

1979 ...... Nil 61 0 (Upto »8-i-79).

Sick Textile Mills under N.T.C. (b) the amount sanctioned for mo- 4016. SHRTF. P. GAEKWAD: Will dernisation of these Mills under the the Minister of IITDUSTRY be pleased control of the respective National to state: Textile Corporation, till the end ot December, 1978? (a) the State-wise number of sick textile Mills under the Western sub­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sidiary of National Textile Corpora­ MINISTRY OP INDUSTRY (SHRI tion in Maharashtra, Gujarat, Madhya JAGDAHBI PRASAD YADAV): (a ) Pradesh and Rajasthan; and and (b): The State-wise position is gievnbelow:-

Name of the Subsidiary & State No. of mills Total amount in the sanctioned _ concerned for modcmi- State sation upto the end of Dec. 1078 (Rs. in crores)

t. NTG (MN) Ltd.. & NTC(SM) Ltd., Bombay. Maharashtra/ 2a 35*i* a. NTC (Gujarat) Ltd., Ahmedabad. Gujarat. 11 8*31

3. NTG (MP) Ltd.. Indore, Madhya Pradesh...... 7 8-97

4. NTC (DPR) Ltd., Delhi Rajas tlian...... 3* 3*60

excludes mills located In Dclh i & Punjab and falling within the jurisdiction of the Subs awry. 6y Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answer* 69

vpm m m irote* spread discontent among the Mizoram Civil Service officers with regard to 4 0 1 7 . tftw l qtw : w i *fowr» fixation of the inter-se seniority re­ *fcft q? want ^ ?

(*r) % (v ) . *nrrm # 1978-83 (c) No, Sir. •(ft *pffir irrsprr «nft »r ?pft (d) Does not arise. firm »wt | i

Discontentment among Mizoram Civil New Employments In various Service Officers Industries

4018. DR. R. ROTHUAMA; Will the 4019. SHRI PADMACHARAN SA- Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleas- MANTASINHERA; Will the Minister ed to rtate: of NDUSTRY be pleased to state the total number of employments (new (a) whether Government are aware appointments) to the cottage, vil- of the deep resentment and wide- lage, small scale, medium and la «9 WrMm tom m 9EALGV&A 30, m o (S A K A ) Wm en Ansvxrt 70 7* , Written Anewfn ; ' W J WiUm AwrtJoen W ritten A***** $H ALG U NA 30, XttO OSAKA) 'W ritte n 'Answers jh provide food quality handloom urn- '««* «t* * 11^ fan nftfortf tro form to Class IV employees .n *wt tronwfr Central Government) and

f4020* *ft y w *r wtme * «btc (b) if so, the main leatmes thereof? - f i h i f t 29 WWT, 1978 $ itwt fN*rT 1 5 2 9 $ «* * * * 3

( v ) 1976% fffwrc, 1978 ?W* THE MINISTER OF STATE IN #«pm ^ *1®^ aptrrrf^r*,$r&r THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS $r9v f*rST 8TO IISFMPW, V2ffhT V'lt Vt AND IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, srV wr$ ?wt # vW t #■ zwst wft famtfr *n$ JUSTICE AND COMPANY AF T AIRS **t u t, vh (SHRI S D PATIL)* (a) No such proposal is under co^si leratjcn (nr) wwi *fr sn* $ g w ftrsft' % tnp ITT *prr (b) Does not arise fsrft (wit) ifr N t fr *rfc $r, ?ft wt *r? M t «rraft#^^$f#*fr»rf$,?PTT w f faW # vrtm «nr (* ) # ircfa # JW Pppft *TTSTT ^ ST«ft ^ ^ Tribal Development Programme for Tripura and other North-Eastern swtmrort («rt arm q^Wfa) : («f) Region States 3R*Tt, 1976 % *TF*( 1978 !RT ^ ’ffarfsr # sfrnr fltflw f’nrw ^ 7 fosr? fro •h’spt-wpi 4022 SHRI SACHINDRA LAL t^ft »rf srft T*ft T^>ft w ft m ft $ S1NGHA Will the Minister of HOME ((fapf W rPTT f*F*t?T ^ *1* % ^THT AFFAIRS be pleased to state- «rmT ft) *5t »rret *t t o t ^arrtw^rnmfl' *R *fa?r wrvfti# | M lB-4-^8«*t 10-5—7 8 ^ 5 ^ ^ %*n?r irtrtPrt $ph ffo (a) the details of the Tribal Deve­ 7460 *m 9827 * *T* ^ fo* *nj mfm lopment Programme proposed by wwfrrrt $ im $ ^ *rwr $r *iT9N Tripura and other North Eastern Re­ ^wforrarrtnr i srdtafw^vft# <***$, gion States, State-wise for the year .1^78% sramn:, 1979-80, tftet (fpqfr^ ) ir*nwO ft anfcft fmT w yrrr % amsftarRvret (b) the details of .the action takejt It STFff MfWHI f%ff!T qf^SW $

{ * ) qrreirefr xm^ mtfc mil ~ - (c) the details of Xhe amount sanc­ t qfjujm STRT aft tioned and the work done for the w s fiw i S’ w rfft i tribal development m North Eastern Region States during the last three years, State-wise and year-wise with the details of the tribal development Uniforms ter Class IV Employees schemes;

4021 SHRI T. BALAKRISHNIAH: (d) the scheme functioning in these States with the number of persons SHRI ISMAIL HOSSAIN benefited by these schemes, scheme- ' KHAN: wise; and Will the Minister of HOME AF­ FAIRS be pleased to state: (e) the details of the proposal for the Sixth pl*n period in these States, (a) whether Government have any State-wise, in comparison to other proposal under their consideration to States?

f m swrf*n 75 Written Answer* MARCH 21, 19TO Written 76

TOE 3«INBTER OF STATE OT THE carved wA, and separate txtoal mb* MINISTRY Of HOME AFFAIRS {flans drawn up lor them. (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a) and (b). The details cl tho The plan programmes undertaken Tribal Development Programme in cover all aspKts of development, such Tripura and other North Eastern as agricufctiune, irrigation, animal hus­ region States have not yet been fina­ bandry, fisheries, industries, educa­ lised. tion, health, social services, route etc. Allocations in respect of the State Flans of Arunachal Pradesh, Megha­ (c) and (d). in the Tiorttwwsiern region, Arunachal Pradesh, Megha­ laya, Mizoram and Nagaland, and in respect of the tribal sub-plans of laya, Mizoram and Nagaland are Assam, Manipur and Tripura are predominantly tribal, and the entire State Plans are intended to benefit given m Statements I and A. The tribal populations covered are given the entire Scheduled Tribe popula­ in Statement III. tions in these States/UTs. In the re­ maining States, viz. Assam, Manipur (e) Proposals for the Medium-Term and Tripura, areas of 50 per cent tribal Plan 1978-88 have also not yet been concentration and over have been decided.

Statement I

Plan Expenditure in North Eastern Region predominantly inhabited & Scheduled Tnbes

1077-78 1978-79 t,,, (Allocation) (Allocation)

(Rs. in crores )

16*31 a s-4*

24.* a6 «9*45

11*07 16*65

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Statement III wft

Scheduled Tribe populations covered by the 4024. wfeft m f w ro : Plan programme wt gpot*r ^ pn ft»;

(*r) *rt f^ r ^ Scheduled | WT 'S$ «TR^ 3lt*r lP1C^ V fatj Tribe Population

(ST) WT TO ’K tt

Arunachal Pradesh • • 369408 ?n*rrarcr | fr, ?fr *na t ; Meghalaya • 814.230 (*r) wr fiR *)r mFrft xre& % Mizoram . 3*3a99 3H*PT ST*F9 *r®®T *T $

Assam* .... “ *>4^9 (*r) wr Titfhr sfrt *PTfT f^PTT faffr STCT 3F5 Manipur* . . . * 313102 vf jpr. ^rrct tnr^rr TtsnrnL for ? s Tripura* ...• 343% i ^ftn iftrrcra Sf nwr m l («ft hrwvfr tWIft HTW) : (sp) ft (*) . Hf Wf* ♦In tribal sub-plan areas. W ft ^ ft*RT ’TVHftS fa?*T fail *T t, aft 25 1977 ft ^ 3$ f*R fWhr vfeinvft v viTit * *Rf qfV t I *TVft?rft ret «ratflww Public Hodida/foi Prohet’s wftnc ftrar v ^f?r f 7T°r birthday *pf 5TTT VTW^- tfr vtit t I 15 *t£ 4023. SHBI G. M. BANATW ALLA: 19 7 8 *pt ’TOi ^»i?rr ft epRPv $ ft ^jumw^n Wiil Jjttte Minister ol HOME 3*TR fat* $ CRT ^Pff WOT ft S«HT 3W % AFFAIraJMfe pleased to state whether s r * w w (f^pnr y* f t f r o r ) in view of strong and justified Muslim ^3 fPT »rf5?r ^ ^ % 1 sentiments, Government propose to «Ptw frrti ^ # jtt'ct ^ *mrr $ ? restore the pubilc holiday on the Pro­ ) phet's birthday? Inclusion of Sunri Comm unity in Scheduled Castes i THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 4025. SHRI A. K. ROY: (will the THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS Klimster ol HOME AFFAIRS be AND IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW pleased", to state: 1 JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS, (SHRI S. D. PATIL): The Prophet’s ) (9) |prh€$her it is a fact mat Sunri birthday is already included in the Community is considered Scheduled list ol restricted holiday lor Central Caste In West Bengal while not so Government employees. Views of in Bihar if so, the reason); thereof* the Minorities Commission have been and. * « invited on the question as to which of the holidays pertaining to the Mus­ (b) whether a memorandum of the lim community may be included as Sunri Community Associatioji to in­ dosed holidays and which of them clude them in Scheduled Cute haft may be kept in the list of Restricted been received; and if so. action taken Holidays. thereon? $ t Written AntMr* &BMXmtk 30, XSAKA} Written Amwert 82

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Order, 1950 and to suggest amend­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS ments thereto in their report, a copy (SHRI DHANIK LAL MAND/L) of the memorandum has been fur­ (a) By the Constitution (Scheduled nished to that Committee for its con­ Castes) Order, 1950 as amended by sideration the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes Orders (Amendment) Act, 1976 (No 108 of 1976) enforced from •isn utai wmuii frnfwft fft the 27th Julv ’ 077 the ‘ Sur.n (oc­ cluding Saha)” community has been 4026 Tiwnft . wt specified as a Scheduled- Caste for s r t r •A' f^TT >f^r far West Bengal but not for Bihai In accordance with the jiiovis ons of (sp) *TW ^ fafeVTT fflftlt article 341(1) of the Constitution, f^ T serpRTOt *PT 5TI Scheduled Castes have been specified | ?rw m t » m relation to a State/Union territory, by taking into account ^ the charac­ (sr) srefcr «nrc vt teristics of those fiommuftities lft that 5TTT# tftt particular State Union territory (*t) wt wft S f® (b) A memorandum of the Sunn fan vn i «rift fiwrertfto t ifhc qfa Community Association f hittaranjan, ft, at iRHnpst wr $ 7 District Burdwan (West Bengal) has been received m which it has been requested that the Sunn Community iramro, * xm *nft vm ot Bihar may al&o be specified as a i) . {*») cr«rr (v) w* rm Scheduled Caste Since st Joint Com­ f^Tt»r W5P5T I I mittee of two Houses of Parliament has been constituted on tie Scheduled (tt) {W tt fMf % *frlT Castes and Scheduled Tribes Orders (Amendment) Bill, 1978* to examine W t wr^^mxrwrtwir totw w fr the lists contained m the Constitution m*tt fftr/wwr tm wwrx $ (Scheduled Castes) Order, -aad fete the Constitution (Scheduled Tribes) *nft fcqufum 1

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5 •ft qtwj tpt 5nr *ft *ttctw trra 11 . • 200 $5 Written Answers PIIALGUNA 30, 1900 {SAKA) Written Answers 86 itevision of Cases of Seniority of Aditi Exhibition Officers of Delhi Himachal Civil Service and Delhi Himachal Police 4028. SHRI VIJAY KUMAR N. Service in Delhi PATIL; 4027. SHRI SYED KAZIM ALI SHRI V AS ANT SATHE: MEERZA: WiU the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state; (a) whether it is a fact that cases of revision of seniority of some offi­ (a) whether it is a fact that aa cers of Delhi Himachal Civil Service exhibition called aditi was held re­ and Delhi Himachal Police Service, cently at Pragati Maidan Rural India •working under Delhi Administration complex and the cost thereof; have been decided by Government if so, whether due to long delay such (b) whether the whole contract officers have been superseded by Ju­ was given to a private party which nior Officers; further sub-contracted the assign­ ment to another party—details of the (b) whether the cases of such offi­ Parties involved in contract and sub­ cers after revision being declared in contract deals and the amount in­ seniority are under consideration for volved; and promotion; (c) whether Government have con­ (c) the names of such officers may sidered evaluation of such a exhibi­ please be mentioned; and tion and the purpose it has served to (d) if so, whether the Government avoid wasteful expenditure? intend to review its decision and con­ sider hard cases on merits so as to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE iind o u t a solution to solve their MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI problem so that the officers concern- JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV): (a) ■sd can get promotion to I.A.S./I.P.S. Yes, Sir. Aditi Pavilion was set up in before they leave the Government the Rural India complex, Pragati Mai­ service? dan, New Delhi, in connection with participation by the All India Handi­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE crafts Board in the National Small MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND Industries Fair, 197§. The total ex­ IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, JUS­ penditure incurred in this regard was TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS Rs. 3,23,26L (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) to (d). The seniority of Shri S. R. Gandotra of the (b) No, Sir. The project was imple­ Delhi and Himachal Pradesh Civil mented through the Handicrafts and Service and S/Shri R. R. Prasad and Handlcom Export Corporation (a B. P. Jetley of the Delhi and Himachal Government of Indi? undertaking), Pradesh Police Service was revised. who are experienced in organising Prior to this revision, some officers prestigious ezhibitions. The HHEC who were then senior, were promoted completed the assignment with the to the lA.S./I.P.S. Subsequently, S/Shri expert assistance of “NAIKA” crafts S. R. Gandotra and R. R. Prasad were workshop of Shri Mallaih Memorial promoted to the IAS and IPS respec­ Crafts Trust, Ne-.v Delhi, which is a tively. As the seniority of Shri B. P. No-profit-No-loss organisation. The Jetley in the Delhi and Himachal Pra­ Board, however, made payments (on desh Police Service has been revised successful completion of the work), as only this year, he will be considered agreed to, only to HHEC and had for promction- to the IPS with reference nothing to do with the assistance takers to his revised seniority when the Selec­ by the HHEC for their completing of tion Committee meets next. the assignment. 87 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answers 88

(c) The Adlti Pavilion was extremely Acid (6-APA)—a key intermediate for successful in creating immense interest manufacture of semisynthetic penciUins in the crafts depicted at the Pavilion such as Ampicillin; this has been under the theme “ Crafts in the life of established in pilot plant experiments Child” , in the context cf International and is being scaled up for production Year of the Child. The Pavilion was plant trials. Work is being carried out also adjudged as best among the Gov- for producing Fungal Cellulases a emment Pavilions, and was accordingly group of enzymes capable of breaking awarded Gold Medal by the Minister down Cellulose into Glucose. The con­ of Commerce. Based on this success version of Cellulose, particularly in the Ministry of Education have now agricultural wastes, to Glucose, pro­ got the Pavilion re-opened from 8th vides a hitherto unt.apped renewable to 23rd March, 1979, at their cost, for source for food and fuel, if the Glucose visit by school children from different is utilised either for the production of States. The Pavljon hf-.s thus ade­ Single Cell Protein (SCP), or is con­ quately fulfilled the desired objective verted into Industrial Alcohol. for creating intrests in the rural/crafts which are expected to generate more Work is also going on for the pro­ employment opportunities for crafts­ duction of SCP from Petroleum Hydro­ men engaged in the malting cf these carbons. traditional crafts, and as such the ex­ penditure spent for the project was Food enzymes like Glucose Isomer- more than justified and, in no way ase are being produced from lew grade “ wasteful” . starchy materials. Strain Selection for the production of Amyloglvcosidas, Keseaxch & Development Work Pectinase and Amlase have been com­ Undertaken to Develop Industrial pleted and know-how given to the Processes industry.

4029. SHRI KUMARI ANANTHAN: Work is in progress for the microbial WiU the Minister of SCIENCE AND conversion cf Phytosterols obtained TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: from sugarcane into useful intermedi­ ates. (a) whether we have undertaken any Research and Development work Industrial fermntation technology is in any Indian Laboratory to develop being employed in the production of new industrial processes using genetic various Antiboitics (e.g.) Pescillin, engineering, synthesis of genes Streptomycin, Tetracyclin, Erythromy­ through bacteria and manufacture of cin, Neomycin etc. Steroids and Vita­ organic chemicals through specific min B-12 in this area considerable catalytic actfbns of chosen enzymes work has been done on improvement lor the purpose of manufacturing of the micronial strains. products like vitamins, harmones and proteins for which the market poten­ tial in India is of the order of Rs. 400 Introduction ®f Regional Languages crores; and in All India Service Examination (b) if so, the details of the same? 4030. SHRI SUBHASH CHANDRA THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI BOSE ALLURI; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: MORARJI DESAI): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) A new immobilised system of the (a) whether the recent decision enzyme. Penicillin Acylase has been taken by the Union Public Service developed which finds application in Commission to introduce regional the production of 6-Aminopencillanic languages as the media of examina- f ? Wfftten A^mtB PHA U W H A ' m i m (SAKA) Written A«strert 90

.tion for AU India Services Examina­ r among its activities a system of con­ tion has been resented by 55 Mem­ tinuing consultations .between develop­ bers of Parliament; and ed and developing countries as well as between developing countries them­ (b) if so, the reaction of Govern­ selves. The objective of these consul­ ment in the matter? tations would be to assist developing countries in attaining their industrial goals and thereby, help in achieving THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Lima target of 25 per cent of world MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND industrial output by developing coun­ IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, JUS­ tries by the year 2000. TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) Yes, Sir. In pursuance of the above, UNIDO convened during 1977 and 1978 con­ (b) The Government are of the view sultation meetings in the sectors of that no difficulty will be faced by the fertilisers, iron and steel, leather and candidates due to introduction of the leather products and vegetable oils and languages mentioned in the Eighth fats. Preparations in five other sec­ Schedule to the Constitution as media tors, viz. agricultural machinery, pet­ of Civil Services Examination from rochemicals, agro-based industries, capi* this year because the candidates have tal goods and pharmaceuticals are con­ the option to answer the papers in tinuing. One conclusion of these con* English. This was also the recom­ sultations was that certain issues were mendation of the Committee on Rec­ common to all sectors, e.g. financing ruitment Policy and Selection and the training of industrial man­ Methods, popularly known the power. The Industrial Development Kothari Committee. Beard (the policy making body of UNIDO) recognised this and recom­ mended that a consultation meeting on Meeting of Financial Experts at financing of industrial development in Vienna under U.NJ.D.O. developing countries should be con­ vened. Accordingly, UNIDO convened an Expert Group Meeting on Industrial 4031. SHRI C. R. MAHATA: Will the Financing in Vienna from 6—8 Decem­ Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to ber, 1978. It was agreed in the Expert state: Group Meeting that the following sub­ jects warranted further investigation (a) whether it is a fact that finan­ at a subsequent consultation meeting cial experts from all regions of the on industrial financing:— world including India met recently in Vienna under the auspices of UNIDO; (a) Double intermediation finacing and system.

: (b) if so, the outcome of that (b) Access to capital markets; meeting? (c) Co-financing, i.e. joint public/ private financing; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (d) Mutual guarantee system; JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV): (a) Yes, Sir. (e) Financing of small and medium- scale. enteriprises; . ,

Purchase of Cotton by CXI. THE MINISTER 07 STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI 4032. SHRIMATI MRINAL GORE: JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV): (a) WiU the Minister of INDUSTRY be No Sir, it is not a fact. pleased to state: (b) to (e). Do not arise. (a) how much cotton was purcha­ sed by C C.I. and NAFED in various States m the last year; and 4034. finr tag: wr wfor to (b) whether Government are aware that the cotton growers in India suf­ fered much due to fall in cotton pri­ (?) w * fatjfa

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (W ) $t, ?ft fatffa # fat? f*?R T MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI vtet for* fa* arr* *t snm t JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV). (a) fircrft ftfoft wr «t^r?r tit *r*r awt During 19-7-1978, C.C.I. and NAFED t : purchased 667,189 and 11,146 bales res­ pectively m the various States (n) wt ^TTprr $ f*rafa % srffapr wm Tf% ?rt*rt (b) The cotton prices in 1977-78 I’ were lower than 1976-77 but 1976-77 was an abnormal year with a very low ttftnwmwar if tm ihh (shmft mm crop and very high pnces. The prices mfftr) : (v) *m; Wttfa «n:aw in 1977-78 and also m the current year gs w*rr m «t*r it *r£ » have been ranging easy but well above support price levels. (*r) 1978-79 mt 1979—80 $ i fora fa*rr *tot Tter 150,000 *ft<> z* mr 2,5o,ooo ^ t f t Handloom Board Calendars fan fat *f?t *nrr $f i 3 oo «prftft «i5rc srf?r *fto $ tffera* w r 4033 DR BAPU KALDATE' Will % 19,50,000 «r*rftft «w r sk the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased 32,50,000 «nr(t¥t ^ fti to state: (*r) tft,Hsti (a) whether it is a fact that the Handloom Board has placed an order lor calendars for the year 1979 with Ran on Import of SUpte, Fibre, a private firm; Viscose Fibre

(b) whether this order waB placed 4035 SHRI HALIMUDDIN AHMED: during the last week of December, WiU the Minister of INDUSTRY be 1978; pleased to state:

(c) whether all the calendars ‘or­ (a) whether Government ore pro­ dered have been received; posing to impose a ban on import Of Staple Fibre, Viscose Fibre etc. in the (d) If not, what was the total order near future; for calendars and the amount invol­ ved in the placement of order; and (b) if so, the reasons and details thereat; and (e) whether any tenders were in­ vited? (c) when it is likely to be banned? 93 Written AnsWrt BHALGtTNA 30, 1000 (SAKA) Written Answer* 94

ttflfe MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) the targets Axed by the coope­ MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI rative marketing societies of different JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV) (a) States, for the purchase of cotton; and to (c). The future Import Policy of Staple Fibre, Viscose Fibre etc is (c) whether Government propose to under the consideration of the Govern­ import cotton for the current year to ment and is likely to be finalised soon meet the gap between supply and de­ Presently, import of Polyester Fibre mand, for the current season, if any? and Viscose Staple Fibre is allowed to Actual Users on QGL. This policy is THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE to remain in force till 31st March, 1979 MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI by which time the future import policy JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV) (a) is expected to be finalised The Cotton Corporation of India had been entrusted with the responsibility Demands of Cotton Textile Workers ot procuring cotton for mills m the Public Sector carrying out price sup 4036. SHRI AMARROY PRADHAN port operations, whenever necessary, Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be and acting as a canalising agency for pleased to state import and export of cotton However pursuant to the Textile Policy State- (a) whether it is a fact that Gov­ ment the role of the Cotton Corpora­ ernment have considered the demands tion of India has been enlarged and of cotton textile workers in the coun­ it is now requned to purchase cotton try about their revision of wages and for selling not onlj to mills in the D A introduction and revision of Public Sector but also to mills m the grade and scale for all categories of Private Sector and also to build up a workmen, night shift allowance, buffer stock of cotton with a view to house rent allowance etc, and maintain prices at reasonable levels

(b) if so, the decision of Govern­ (b) The targsu fo- purchase of ment m the matter’ cotton by various Stale Co-operative Marketing Socie* aie fixed by the respective State Governments THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (c) No Sir JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV) (a) and (b) No, Sir No such issue is under Jtormal consideration of Government Import of Bronse Powder Jkowever, consequent to a notice of ,stnke given by trade unions in West 4038 SHRI K RAMAMURTHY Will Bengal, the Government of West Bengal the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased intervened and a settlement is reported to state to haye been reached on 14th March, 1979 t>€tween the employers and the (a) whether the bronze powder is trade unions in the West Bengal textile till being imported in large quantities industry, on a region-cum-industry inspite of the fact that it has been basis put on Banned list, (b) whether the three indigeous Purchase of Raw Cotton "units in the country are facing closuie 4037 SHRI CHITTA BASU* Will as a result of 1 eduction of import the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased duty from 125 per cent to 75 per cent; tn state and (*) the assigned role of the Indian (c) whether any action has been Cotton Corporation of India for the taken to put the import of bronxft ot r»w cotton; powder on ‘absolute banned' list? 95 , Written Answers MARCH 21, 1879 Written Answers 9 ^

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE vftn «www * trwr («rt wtwft MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI m nt m w ) (v) tft JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV) (a) Bronze Powder is included in the banned list (appenuix III) of the im­ (W) 39TRPT WTTTtT (STHT?T *W%£t) port policy 1978*79 Imports of banned “*rat*r t in#w m * row, *rm items are allowed against (a) auto­ «r ?m qfw$*r ^t ^rnr^ 3 matic licences issued to Actual Users ^ 1977 *Pt$?PTT n (industrial) upto 10 per cent cf the 1978 # 5m ^ 3 f » *1^81 licence subject to a maximum of i «mtar qfwipr *pfwt *ft ^ % g$ Rs 50,000 per item, (b) supplementary iRvnit $ v ro ’(ft it ’anr^r ^ licences recommended by sponsoring 5® sfarr # ?nnr $ ?T?*n # *f3 ft I » authorities, and (c) REP licences. 5t*r» *t w iw srnra * «msT ®rar Separate imports figures tor Bionze wnr *f *r*w fcst *rr *t Powder are not maintained 3S1TtVTntt Vt VN, Wt fai*Vt *PT*F fl*PC

W f fF (a) estimate of production of silk 4039 tpwnww ftraft • WTOTtn (cocoon) variety in the country dur­ JR R prr «p*it far ing 1978, and

( v ) *PTT fiRfSR, 1978 SFPTft, 1979 *r 5® xnsft it sr% (b) figures of production for the St fattt «fR fps 5 80, 90 m previous two years’ n*r fo*rt $ Sr t*rr art «rr, «r k THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (w) «rf* ?t, ft MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI ■sfs § «fK sr% ^ ’artT farsrt JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV) (a) flT*T $t St $ SWfT 'RR * Ipnr ^t and (b) The vanetj -wise production * jM w r •ftth $ fa* w t «r**r of silk cocoons during the year 1978, 3TT ■»? t ’ 1977 and 1978, are as- follows —

(unit lakh kg )

Variety 1976 1077 1978

(l) M ulberry ...... • 378-9* 443 89 495* W

(u ) T a s a r ...... • * 36-85 40 37 *7*87

(u i) Eri ..... 1*69 *•+8 * -6a

(iv) M u g a . . .» II 04, 5*53 5* 61 97 W ritttn A am m n FHALGUNA SO, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 98

Proposal to resettle fo n e r East Bengal Farakka is constantly reviewed refugees in Andaman and in consultation with the Rail­ Nicobar Islands ways 4041 SHRI SARAT KAR Will the (2) The cement factories have been Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be permitted to operate dumps at pleased to state Jogighopa in Assam and Shali- mar in West Bengal to which (a) whether Government propose to place cement is to move in block resettle some of the former East Ben­ xtotkes From these dumpa gal refugees in the Andaman and cement is to be moved to ulti­ Nicobar Islands, and mate destinations m Assam bv (b) if 8o, tiie details regarding the Road policy of Government in this regard? (3) The dump at Jogighopa has re­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE cently been strengthened to step MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI up the cement supplies to Assam DHANIK LAL MANDAL)- (a) No, and other States in North East Sir Frontier Region (b) Does not arise (4) The basis of freight 1 eimburse­ Scarcity of Cement in Assam men t by road has also been liber­ alised 4042 SHRI BEDABRATA BARUA Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be (5) Cement movement to Assam has pleased to state also been permitted through the (a) whether cement has been en- Central Inland Water Transport demically scarce m Assam from the Corporation at considc ably time of Independence, higher freight (b) whether this had happened (6) The State of Assam was recently mainly due to transport bottleneck; allotted two ships of imported cement at Haldia over and above and the normal allocation (c) what steps have been taken to increase the supply of cement to (7) To ensure that allocation does Assam? not lapse because of movement, the validity period of authonsa THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tions for supply to destinations MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI m Assam and other States in JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV) (a) to Far Eastern Region has also been (c) Except for brief period, cement laised to 44 months against 3& has always been m short supply in the months m case of other States country, as the demand had exceeded the availability Scarcity of cement in Assam has, therefore, been a part of Stock of Cotton Lying with Factory the country-wide shortage for the commodity In addition, supplies to 4043 SHRI HITENDRA DESAI Will the States were further affected due to the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased rail movement problems due to tran­ to state* shipment bottleneck at Bongaigaon and restricted traffic via Farakka (a) how much stock of cotton i« lying unsold m the various Co-opera- However, a number of steps have tive Cotton ginning factories and also been taken from time to time to im­ private cotton ginning factories, and prove supplies to Assam, viz. ( 1) The question ol improvement of (b) what are the reasons for the woNreaMott ete Bongaigaon end difficulties experienced by these lac* tatties In seUing cotton? 99 Written Avtm m MAMf *t>1*7* W fu m * * * « * » §

THS MINISTER OF STATE IN THE p&titnts f§ar hefcvsr MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI charges. JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV): (a) and (b). Government has not received (c) One of the major reasons for any report about accumulation of cot­ low utilisation of capacity has been ton lying unsold with co-operative and lack of orders, especially from the* private ginning factories. Railways who have cut back on their usual orders for conventional type of Utilisation of Capacity of Jessop coaches. The withdrawal of price preference circulars in favour of the and Co. public sector undertakings has also 4044. SHRI K. A. RAJAN: Will the resulted in reduction in ihe quantum Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to of orders on the Company. State: (d) The Railways, the Bharat Heavy (a) whether it is a fact that Jessop Electricals Ltd., the public sector steel and Company has been r u n n in g at a plants, the port trusts, the Hindustan heavy loss after a little improvements Paper Corporation, and the DGS&D as during 1975-76 and 1976-77; als0 authorities of various projects (b) if so, what are the details and have been placing orders on Jessop & reasons therefor; Co, for various items of machinery during the last three years. The quan_ (c) whether the capacity of the turn of orders placed by these parties said company has not been fully uti­ have varied from year to year ac­ lised because of lack of orders espe­ cording to their requirements. The cially from other public sector com­ Railways have cut back on their panies; and orders for conventional types of coa­ ches as they are switching over to tho (d) if so, which are the main pub­ integral type of coaches. Jessop & lic sector companies which used to Co., is trying to reorient its production place orders with this company; de­ profile to match to the requirements of tails of the orders from these com­ the Railways. The order book posi­ panies during the last three years and tion has improved recently and, if the reasons for cut in orders? power supply position remains satis­ factory, the performance is expected THE MINISTER OF STATE IN to improve substantially in the com­ THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY ing year viz.. 1979-80. (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI). (a) Yes, Sir. 'Scrapping of Centrally Sponsored Schemes (b) During the year 1977-78, M/s. Jessop & Co, suffered a net loss of Rs. 4046. SHRI P. K. KODIYAN: Will 503 lakhs, after providing for depre­ the Minister of PLANNING be pleased ciation (Rs. 91 lakhs) and interest to state: (Rs. 481 lakhs), whereas during the preceding two years, i.e. 1976-77 and (a) whether the Finance Minister of 1975-76 it had made profit of Rs. 85 Punjab had demanded the scrappinf lakhs and Rs. 12 lakhs respectively. of Centrally sponsored schemes in th* The reasons for incurring loss in 1977- State; 78 were as follows: low production resulting from loss of working hours (b) if so, what is the Centre’s re­ due to unscheduled, frequent and pro­ action thereto; and longed power-cuts throughout the year, lack of adequate orders to match (c) what is the total allocation the overall production capacity, low funds proposed for Centrally sponso­ productivity, provision Of annual red tttifwuw in the Sfartti rtoe Bonus for the year as well e* for *h* Plan? m w m m t o * M » feHALdrtMtA *9, m {SAKA) kmera 102

v b e m m g r m of State nr (f) whit measure, Government THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING propose to take to stop these activi­ (SHRI FAZLUR RAHMAN); (a) Dur­ ties of foreign companies? ing the meeting of the National Deve­ lopment Council, its Committee and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN the Working Group. Chief Ministers THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY of a number of States suggested that (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YA ­ the number and scope of centrally DAV); (a) Use of foreign owned sponsored schemes be reduced. trade marks is regulated by the For­ (b) and (c) The National Develop­ eign Exchange Regulation Act 197? ment Council, at its meeting held on and the Trade and Merchandise Marks 24th and 25th February, 1979, decided Act, 1958. While issuing letters of in­ on certain modifications in the central­ tent for grant of industrial licences ly sponsored schemes, involving the under the provisions of the Industries transfer of a part of the estimated (Development and Regulation) Act, provision of Rs. 6,000 crores for Cen­ 1951, a condition is invariably imposed trally sponsored schemes m the Draft that the use of foreign brand names Plan 1978— 83 to the State Plans. will not be permitted for the purpose of internal sale. Similarly, approvals given for foreign collaboration also Foreign Brand Names on Consumer carry a condition that foreign brands Products names will not ordinarily be allowed for use on the products for internal 4047 SHRI SATYA DEO SINGH: sale. Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) Government are not aware whe. ther any foreign company in India (a) whether it is the Government’s intends to get its trade marks regis­ policy not to allow foreign brand tered for goods not manufactured by names on consumer products like tooth it. This would be known only when paste, biscuits, blades, soap, etc. for such an application is actually filed internal sales; by anv company with the Registrar of Trade Marks as per the prescrib­ (b) if so, whether it is a fact that ed procedure for registration under some of the foreign companies in Trade and Merchandise Marks Act India are proposing to get their trade marks registered for certain consu­ (c) and (d). While granting per­ mer goods not manufactured by mission for the use of trade marks them; under the Act, the following require­ ments are kept in view: (c> whether Government will per­ mit these companies to sell consumer (i) The use of the trade mark articles stamped with their registered should not be against the interest of foreign brand names but not manu­ the general public. factured by them; (ii) The use of the mark should (d) whether this will not result in not adversely affect the develop­ unhealthy competition to the medium ment of indigenous industry, trade and small scale Indian units which or commerce. are not allowed to use foreign brand names; (iii) The user arrangement should not involve trafficking in the trade («) whether this will not result mark. In larger outflow of foreign exchange in shape of profits and dividends by (e) and (f). The outflow of foreign these companies; and exchange is regulated by the Foreign 103 Written Amvoerg MARCH 91, 1999 Written A n m m IQ *

Exchange Regulation Act. The exist­ Regional Languages in A ll India ing provisions in the Trade and Mer­ Service Examination by U.P.8XL chandise Marks Act, 1958 and the For­ eign Exchange Regulation Act, 1973, 4049. SHRI NIHAR LASKAR; are considered adequate for the regu­ lation of the use of forign brand names SHRI A. R. BADRINARAr by foreign companies. YAN: SHRI M. V. CHANDRA*. SHEKARA MURTHY: qt wranftw Will the Minister of HOME AF­ FAIRS be pleased to state: 4048* TW 'WT : *RTt JIlVl *ra> yiT ^ fa (a) whether Union Public Service Commission has been requested to • (^ ) f?rr TT3TWPT ^ 35?T vr introduce regional languages a* the media of All India Service examina­ wfsRj w rw jsftn t » tion; and

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Incentives to Industries to save energy Complaints against BJHUBJL. designed by using Steam Turbo-sets

4051 SIIRI S R REDDY: Will the 4052. SHRi D. D. DESAI: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state; state: (a) whether power plants have (a) whether Government have taken complained against some of the BHEL steps to give incentives such as soft designed turbo-sets as being defee. loans credits etc. to medium and large tive; and industries which can save energy through using substantial quantities (b) if so, what steps have been of steam; and taken to replace them?

(b) if so, the details regarding the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN policy of Government in this regard? THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI): (a) Cer­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN tain complaints, quite a few of which THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY were of the nature of teething troub­ (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YA ­ les, were received during the initial DAV): (a) and (b). There are a stages and these have been attended number of industries which require to. steam for the production processes. The steam generated by boilers can be (b) While certain amount of work generated at higher pressure, thereby had to be done on these sets to im­ enabling its use in power generation prove their performance, it was not with a back pressure or extraction found necessary to replace the set in type turbine, and the low pressure any case. steam utilised in the production pro­ cesses. This approach can consider­ Supply of explosives to ably increase the thermal efficiency, Ltd. and also result m substantial saving of fuel and economy in the produc­ 4053 DR. VASANT KUMAR PAN­ tion process. Similarly the waste DIT: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY heat available in certain industries can be pleased to state: be harnessed for the purpose of gene­ rating power. It is, therefore, in the (a) whether Indian Explosive Ltd. interest of energy conservation and and the Indian Detonators Limited efficient utilisation of fuel resources have not been supplying the required that this “total energy concept” is en­ quantity of explosives to the Coal couraged in industries where process India Limited during the last 18 steam is required or waste heat is months; available. In order that inadequacy f f power availability mav not hamper (b) if so, the reasons thereof and i idustrial production, Government of the action taken to increase the pro­ India decided in September, 1976 that duction of required explosives; whenever a Letter of Intent or Indus­ trial Licence is issued in respect of an (c) what is the estimated produc­ Industrial Unit where large volume of tion of explosives in public sector process steam will be required or particularly ln Bhandara (Maharash­ waste heat will be available a condi­ tra) and Korba (in M.P.); tion should be incorporated that en­ trepreneurs will instal captive power (d) whether the Coal India limited generation capacity in consonance has placed orders for importing 5,000 -with total energy concept. tons of explosives in India; and 109 IN ttc n Answers PHALGUNA 39, 1900 ( SAKA ) Written Anewers n o

(e) what steps Government have disclosures made by Shri K. F. taken to fulfil the demand of explo­ Rustomjee a member of National sives required to increase the produc­ Police Commission regarding the hor­ tion of coal? rible conditions' prevailing at Patna and Muzzaffarpur jails in Bihar; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (b) whether the conditions in those (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YA­ two jails are fairly representative of DAV): (a) Yes, Sir, the prisons elsewhere in the country; (b) During September-October 1977 (c) if so, what is the nature of the there was a labour strike in the Gomia disclosures made by him; and factory of M/s. Indian Explosive Li­ mited which resulted in shortage of (d) what action Government hava explosives. taken thereon? M/s. Indo_Burma Petroleum Com­ pany has commenced production at THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Korba (MP). The commissioning THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS schedules of the Coal India Ltd., Pro­ (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): ject (Ordinance Factory, Bhandara) (a) Yes, Sir. and M/s. Chowgule's Project in Kar­ nataka have been advanced. Explo­ (b) The conditions in various jails sives are also being imported. in the country are not similar and they vary from place to place. (c) The installed capacity of the Bhandara Project is 5000 tonnes per (c) A copy of Shri Rustomjee’s tour annum; trial production is expected note is placed on the Table of the by middle of 1979. Production com­ House [Placed in Library. See No. LT-4137/79], menced at the Korba Project of M/s. Indo-Burma Petroleum Company In (d) A copy of Shri Rustomjee's note March, 1978. Actual production during was sent to all States and Union Ter­ 1978 was 1646 tonnes. This company ritories A meeting of Inspectors Gene­ plans to instal four units in Madhya ral of Prisons was held on February Pradesh, including the one at Korba, 17, 1979 in New Delhi to discuss major for a total capacity of 20,000 tonnes per problems of congestion m prisons. annum. These are proposed to be discussed at (d) Coal India Ltd., have placed firm Conference of Chief Secretaries which orders with the State Trading Corpo­ has ben convened by the Home Minis­ ration for import of 1500 tonnes of ter on 9th April, 1979 to discuss Jail explosives in the first instance. Reforms.

(e) Apart from increasing the avail­ ability of explosives from indigenous Reservation of posts for S.C. & S.T. jn Khadi Gramodyog Bhavan sources, Coal India Limited have been permitted to resort to imports. 4055. SHRI RAMJI LAL SUMAN:

Conditions of Jails in Bihar CHOWDHRY BALBIR SINGH; 4054. SIIRI EDUARDO FALEIRO: SHRI AMARSINH V. RATHWA: SHRI SUBHASH CHANDRA BOSE ALLURI: SHRI LALJI BHAI: Will the Minister of HOME AF­ Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be FAIRS be pleased to state*. pleased to state: (a) whether attention of Govern, (a) whether it is a fact that re­ ment has bean drawn to the recent cently interviews were conducted for I l l 'Written Answer* MARCH 21, 1879 W ritten Answers « a the post of Incharges in Khadi Gramo- tor units under the Ministry of In­ dyog Bhavan, New Delhi reserved dustry during 1978-79 despite tn« for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled profession* of Government to secure Tribes; improved performance; and (b) If so, why no results have been (b) the concrete steps proposed to declared so far; ensure that the units contribute to our planned economy according to (c) whether it is also a fact that when experience Scheduled Cast optimised utilisation of capacity? employees working in Khadi Gramo- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN dyog Bhavan are available, the post THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY of Incharges have been advertised (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YA ­ calling applications from outside can­ DAV); (a) and (b) A clear picture didates, and regarding the profit and loss position of various public sector units under the (d) if so, why locally available Ministry of Industry during 1978-79 candidates are not being considered can be had only after their accounts for the posts advertised? are audited after the close of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN financial year 1978-79. The perform­ THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY ance of these units continued to be (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YA­ affected by power shortage, lack of DAV): (a) Yes, Sir . sufficient order, higher cost of raw- materials, existence of old and obsolete (b) to (d) According to the Rules machinery, lower utilisation of plant of the Khadi and Village Industries capacity etc. The steps being taken CommisHion, the 1st vacant post is to to optimise the utilisation of capacities be filled in by promotion, 2nd by selec- in these units include better produc­ tion from amongst the staff, 3rd again tion planning, modernisation of plant by promotion and 4th by direct re­ and machinery, adoptation of better cruitment. The employees of the technology, diversification in pattern Bhavan can also apply against posts of production, change of products mix which are advertised. There are 8 and increased participation of workers posts of Incharges in the Khadi in the management. Bhavan of which 2 posts are reserved for Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe candidates. According t0 the Buies, one of these posts "has to be filled in Investment in Public Sector by promotion end the other is to be filled in by direct recruitment. A Sche­ 4057 SHRI BALWANT SINGH RA- duled Caste employee working in the MOOWALIA: Will the Minister of Bhavan has been selected against one PLANNING be pleased to state: of the vacant posts for appointment. The other P ost likely to fall vacant, (a) th<‘ total public sector invest­ in near future, was advertised as pear ment so far; rules. None of the candidates who ap­ plied fulfilled the qualifications pres- (b) investment made in Punjab, cribed, and the post has been re­ Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and Jam­ advertised. mu & Kashmir; and Reasons for Losses in Public Sector (c) whether It is creating regional Units imbalances by the criterian adopted 4056. SHRI V. ARXJNACHALAM: previously? Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (a) the reasons for the losses and THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING low profitability of many public sec­ (SHRI FAZLUR RAHMAN): (a) to n s Wftttm Ammm PHALGTONA ID, lfltt (SAKA) VrttM Antum 114

(c). The total Plan outlay/expendi- Plans from the First Flan onwards ture inclusive of the Central and State is as follows:

Period Amount (Rs. crores)

First P l a n ...... Tofrvoo

Second P l a n ...... 4672*00

Third Plan ...... 8577*00

Annual Plans :— 662s*00

*5770*0®

1974-75 —Actuals . . . 4928-40

4616*90

8081*70

1977-78—Anticipated .... 9564-40

1978-79—Outlay 11650*20

Of the above expenditure, the ex­ Himachal Pradesh, J & K and Punjab penditure under the Plans of Haryana, are as follows:

(Rs. crores)

Haryana Himachal J & K Punjab Pradesh

Pint P l a n ...... @ 4'99 13*00 163*00'

@ 16*97 96*83 151*43

Third P l a n ...... @ 33-85 61*94 a54**3

Annual Plans (1966-69) .... 84*63 39*88 59* «8 191*85

Fourth Plan ..... 358*86 ,, 3’ 43 163*99 438*47

Fifth Plan (1974-78) .... 483 *5 161*48 378*54 jtQ'vy

Annual Plan 1978-79. 810*00 73*oo 108’00 260*00* (Approved outlay)

©Harayana was not a State during this period, it was a part of erstwhile Punjab State fund therefore figures relating to Punjab for the First three Plans related to those portions also which later formed Haryana State. « 5 Written Anno erg m a r c s » , im

The Hon. Member is perhaps refer­ ters, and thereby increasing the pro­ ring to the results of investment by duction of fuel gas from digesters has the Central Government in the public been initiated. The KVIC research •sector in the various States The loca. centre at Ahmedabad has set up a tion of the Central projects is mainly solar slurry heater for heating the guided by techno-economic considera­ slurry to be fed to the gas plant: this tions. However, the claims of rela­ enables the temperature of the slurry tively backward States are kept in to be raised to 50*—55°, when the at­ view wherever these could be done mospheric temperature is between 8°C. without detriment to the technical and to 16cC. Feeding of heated slurry has economic criteria. In the successive resulted in increased gas production. Five Year Plans a number of prog­ Similarly, in another experiment be­ rammes have been launched to acce­ ing conducted by KVIC, a non-track­ lerate the development in economical­ ing type water heater has been design­ ly backward areas. The Draft Five ed, through which and through Year Plan for 1978-79 lavs emphasis a pipe inside the digester, water is on integrated rural development, area circulated, to increase the temperature planning and Minimum Needs Prog­ of the digester. The experiment is in ramme. These measures it is hoped, progress and final results are awaited. will help in removing regional imba­ Regarding the production of gas from lances. large size digesters for industrial ap­ plication, no work so far has been ini­ tiated.

Utilisation of Solar Thermal Energy for Digesters and Production of Fuel Gas Production and Supply of Explosive

4058 SHRI DHARMVIB VASISHT: 4059. SHRIK. MAYATHEVAR; Will Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased 'TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: to state;

(a) the steps taken by the Depart­ (a) the capacity of the units in India ment of Science and Technology to to manufacture explosives for mining utilise ‘Solar Thermal Energy* for operations; increasing the temperature of the digesters, as also the production of fuel gas from large sized digesters (b) the actual extent of utilisation for industrial applications; and during last two years;

(b) if so, the results of the same? (c) the reasons for short supply of explosives; and THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). The (d) the steps taken to ensure that Department of Science and Technology mining operations are not jeopardised has funded a multi-institutional All for lack of explosives? India Coordinated Project on Biogas Technology and Utilization. At one of the eight participating institutions, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN namely, Khadi and Village Industries THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY Commission (KVIC) work on utilisa­ (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YA­ tion of solBr thermal energy for ln- DAV): (a) and (b). The installed •creasing the temperature of the diges­ capacity and actual production of in- 117 WtiUm Answers PHALGTJNA 30, 1000 (SAKA) Written Answert n 8

duptrtel explosive# during 1977 and 1978 is given below:—

(Quantity in tonnes)

S). No. Name of the factory and location Annual Production Production installed in 1977 in 1978 capacity

11 Indian Explosives Ltd., Gomia, Bihar. . 36. OOO 53**257 30,845

2 IDL Chemicals Limited, Rourkela. Orissa. 22,500') [ 15.857 3 IDL Chemicals Limited, Hyderabad A.P. 7>5°oJ 20,981 4 Indo-Burma Petroleum Go. Ltd., Korba, M.P. 5,000 Nil 1,645

5 Haicbem Limited, Pattancheru, A.P. 2,500 Nil 3* 6 Narendra Explosives Ltd., Dehra Dun. . 1,000 Nil 231

7 Indian Oxygen Limited., Ranchi, Bihar . 2,000 8,369 2,153

T o t a i...... 76,500 49*483 55. 886

(c) Shortage of explosives is due to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE labour unrest in one of the major pro­ MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI ducers during 1977 and 1978. JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV). (a) to (c). Though some of the reasonable (d) Indigenous units are now opera, demands of the employees were accept­ ting normally and availability of in­ ed by the Board of Directors of the dustrial explosives is improving. For Delhi Stale Industrial Development Cor­ immediate requirements import of ex­ poration Ltd., no agreement has been plosives is also being allowed. entered into with the employees follow­ ing the unconditional withdrawal of the strike Fresh demands raised by Agreement with the Delhi State In­ the employees’ Union are being examin­ dustrial Development Corporation ed by the Delhi State Industrial De­ Employees* Association velopment Corporation management from time to time. 4060. SHRI SHARAD YADAV: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: Cotton Prices

(a) whether any agreement has been 4061. SHRIMATi PARVATHI KRISH- reached between the Delhi State NAN: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY Industrial Development Corporation be pleased to state: Employees’ Association and the con­ (a) whether Government have de­ cerned authorities in regard to last strike; cided to adopt a four-pronged stra­ tegy to check the fall in prices of cotton; and (to) it so, whether a copy of the charter of their demands and a copy (b) if so, what are the details of ° f the agreement are proposed to be the new strategy? laid on the Table of the House; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) the extent to which the terms MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI of ^ e agreement have been imple­ JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV): (a) mented? and (b). Government have taken the 119 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1079 Written Answers ---$ following measures to ensure that the Growth Bate estimatcf of WIIBWW prices of cotton are maintained at Income reasonable levels:*—

(a) Enlargement of the role of the 4062. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHAKDGCF: Cotton Corporation of India; and do­ WiU the Minister of PLANNING b« mestic purchase on a larger scale by pleased to state: the Corporation for buffer stock and sales to NTC and non-NTC mills. (a) whether Government have col­ lected information regarding the (b) Upward revision of stock growth rate estimates of the National limits for mills; Income sector-wise; and

(c) decision not to import cotton (b) if so, the details regarding the from abroad to the detriment of difference between the estimates and indigenous cotton growers; the actuals of the growth of the (d) export of staple cotton, includ­ National Income during the last two ing cotton, from old stocks, to the years? extent of 3.5 lakh bales; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (e) export of Bengal Deshi cotton, MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI soft cotton, waste and yellow-pick- FAZLUR RAHMAN): (a) Yes, Sir. A ings; statement is attached. (Statement~I). (f) removal of the statutory stipula­ tion to consume 10 per cent men- (b) The Fifth Five Year Plan znade fibre by cotton textile mils; (1974-79), envisaged annual rate of growth for total gross domestic product (g) imposition of import duty on and for a few selected sectors. State­ viscose staple fibre and increae in ment-]! (attached) gives the anticipated the excise duty on indigenous staple and the actual growth rates during fibre. 1976-77 and 1977-78. Statement 1 Net national product at factor cost : sectoral growth rates (Per cent)

at 1970*71 price* Industry 1977.78• 1976-77*

( 1) (a) (3)

1. Agriculture .... u * a (—)6' 3 a. forestry & logging 4*7 13*0 3- fishing .... 5*8 (—)4*8 mining & quarrying 4* 0.9 3*4 S u b -T o t a l : p r im a r y 10 7 manufacturing 5*1 registered 3*6 9*1 5 ’ 2 unregistered . 3*6 u*7 3*7 5*1 6. construction electricity, gas & water supply 8*o t3*a 7* 3*7 13*7 Sub-Total : secondary 4*7 io-4

♦Percentage change over pervious year. 1*1 Written A m w en HHAW3UNA 80, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers ia a

1 a 3

8. transport, storage & communication .... 4*a 7**

8.1 railways ...... 2’ i q*6

8-2 transport by other means and storage 3 0 5*5

8*3 c o m m u n i c a t i o n ...... 5 -5 8*4

9 . tiad e, hotels and r e s ta u r a n t s ...... 4*9 4*9

Sub-T o t a l : tran spo rt communications & T r a d e 4*7 5*6

10. banking and insurance ...... ii-i 19*2

11. real estate, ownership of dwellings and business services 3*6 3*5

Sub-to ta l : finance & r e a l estate . . . 6*9 9*9

12. public administration and d e f e n c e ...... 5 -7 4*7

13. other services ...... a*8 2*7

Sub-total : community and personal services 4-4 3*8

14. Total : net domestic product at factor cost . . . 7'4 1 '4 * 15. T o t a l : net national product ..... 7*4

Statement 11

Annual rate qf growth of gross domestic product by sector* 1976-77 and 1977-78. (Per cent)

Averasr Actual growth rate at Sector annual 1070-71 prices in growdi J976-77 iQ77-7» rate planned (1 974*79)

(I) (a) (3) U)

Agriculture, forestry and fashing . • * ( - ) 5*49 io* 70 mining 0*86 5*93 r i >7 manufacturing...... 7-08 9' IQ 3^5 construction...... 8*70 io-16 8*oi

* <>i)wayg 5*73 7*30 3*80

11 ansport by other , . v >■> 4*ii 4*44 Total : . 1-56 7-25 123 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answers X2&

Survey nude by the Central Machine (ii) The demands have been pro­ Tool Institute, Bangalore jected both categorywise as well a » user industrywlse. The details of 4063. DR. P. V. PER1ASAMY: Will demand estimates are given in the the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleas­ statement. ed to state: (lii) A major finding of the- survey is that bulk of the import of (a) the salient features of the sur­ machines would consist of precision vey made by the Central Machine machine tools. Tool Institute of Bangalore, parti­ cularly about the requirement of ma­ ( i v ) It has been recommended chine tools by the engineering in­ that this gap should be plugged both dustries; and through import of technology as well as development of machines, (b) whether any action has -been expertise and skills indigenously. initiated to meet indigenously the requirement of machine tools by the (b) Steps taken to develop in­ engineering industries? digenous capability for meeting the requirements of machine tools, are:

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (i ) To start with a Precision MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI- Engineering Centre is proposed to be MATI ABHA MAITI); (a) The Central set up at CMTI to carry out re* Machine Tool Institute (CMTI), search in various areas of precision Bangalore were assigned a study to engineering, design and develop servey the requirements of precision precision machine tools and measur­ machine tools to identify the gaps in ing instruments. This would also our manufacturing capabilities and to give feedback and assistance for the suggest suitable steps to fill the gap. development ef indigenous sources Such machine tools are required for for precision machine tools where tool rooms for engineering industries the quantum of requirement would as also for the manufacture of preci­ justify taking up production sion components m electronics, air­ crafts and similar industries The (a ) An N.C. (Numerical Control) salient features of the report submit­ Centre is being set up at CMTI to ted in March, 1978 are— meet the development requirements of low cost, high precision and (i) The projected demand covers higher accuracy machine tools such a period of six years, from 1977 to as lathes, milling machines required 1982. by industry. w m m ***** FHAUXHA to t KM (SAKAI Written 4tt*>en I3& 127 Written A n m r g MARCH M, 1999 Written Atiauwm x*8

A im m M t of B.HJE.L. wttb Siemens THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TBS MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI 4065. SHRI S. R. DAMANI: Will the JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV): (a) Minister cl INDUSTRY be pleased to Yes, Sir. state: (b) Tooth Paste industry has al­ (a) whether the proposed agree* ready been reserved for exclusive xnent of BHEL with Siemens went development in the small scale sector. against the long term Indo-Soviet ac­ Government’s Industrial Policy, as cord signed earlier; laid before the Parliament on 23rd December, 1977 provides that where (b) if so, the reasons for preferring large scale units are already engaged Siemens to Soviet offer; and in the manufacture of items since re* served for the small scale sector, the (c) whether it is a fact that the mo­ share of these units in the total capa­ dernisation of Hardwar Plant of city for these items will be steadily BHEL with Soviet technology is reduced and that of small scale and cheaper than Siemens technology? cottage sector increased. Consistent with the Government Policy to en­ courage decentralised production, it THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE has also been decided to start a dia­ MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI- logue with large scale tooth paste MATI ABHA MAITI): (a) No, Sir. manufacturers to work out a plan ef action by which the organised sector (b) Does not arise in view of answer vacates its manufacturing activities re­ to (a) above. lating to tooth paste in favour of small scale sector, at the same time (c) Presumably the reference is to ensuring that there is minimum dis­ the investment programme at Har­ location in the production of this item dwar. The proposed investment is and there is no adverse effect on the primarily for introducing quality im­ existing employment. provements, setting up of capacity to manufacture blades, quantitative ex­ pansion and introduction of higher capacity sets. The adoption of a wfWfiiO fin tyw wcx particular type of technology will not, by itself, have any significant impact on the investment. 4067. *0 nwrram: sratf ?TCT fa :'

(»p ) *wt wrgjtr | f% Tooth Paste manufacturers fsnTFr % qwr vfirerft ^ ftrenr v r wm urofft ycrft vnc 4066. SHRI SAMAR MUKHERJEE: *r *nrr f%*n arai s f r V ycpflr *p k tisw Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be 9*rt 'T? vtx srnrr fsprr ^; ifrc pleased to state; ' ( 9) ft, ?ft # ;3W nfirortt (a) whether he has received a $ fros ?nr wr nf | ? memorandum from NAYE (National Alliance of Young Enterpreneurs) urging imposition of curb on the *ran?wr *? t i n ? ’rift w u growth of large-scale tooth paste U«m) : (v ) I ftK ft ^ manufacturers with a view to protect wnjr * t *rcr?rr $ fa w r n the small sector; and tt» 8858*f mt ft ffr* qv yntft ft qf# ft « fm (h) if so, the action taken by Gov. «n w m vft* farm qwift* -eminent on their demands? iftwwT tm ftwr twr vri W 9 W ritten Answers FHALGUNA 80, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 130

( * ) nftywr m $ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE w w w * * ten vn t » * ft** MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY

(b) and (c) No, Sir Sise of Sixth Five Year Central plan

4070 SHRI BALWANT SINGH Formulation ol Programme as per De­ RAMOOWALIA Will the Minister of cision of StnaU Scale Industries PLANNING be pleased to state Ceafcranoe (a) total size of Sixth Five Year 4069 SHRI BAIRAGI JENA. Will Central Plan, the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state (b) out of this how much amount is being spent in J&K, Haryana, Pun­ ^ (a) what policies Government are jab and Himachal Pradesh respective­ g°*ng to iaria»v4ite for the develop- ly, and wpnt of small scale industries parti­ cularly in O '* * * state; and (c) criteria in allocating funds tor the Central schemes in different tb) detailed rep«rt thereof? plans’ 4812 LS—5 Written Answert MARCH 21, 1979 Written Anw ers l $2

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE covers five selected industries viz. MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI cotton textiles, jute, cement, sugar and .FAZLUR RAHMAN): (a) to, (c). The specified engineering industries. The Draft Five Year Plan 1978—83 pro- scheme has not been extended to other poses a totai public sector outlay of industries as they are comparatively Rs. 69,380 crores. This comprises of modern and the problem of sickness or outlays on the Central Plan and the modernisation is not considered so Plans of States and Union Territories. acute. The break-up of this outlay between the Central Plan and the Plans of The main assistance given for ex­ States and Union Territories is being port of products from India relates to worked out on the basis of the recent grant of cash compensatory support, N.D.C, decisions on the distribution of drawback on customs duties/excise plan assistance among the States. and replenishment licences. The extent Allocation of funds are made for the of assistance varies depending on Central sectors of the plan in consul­ individual export commodity and des­ tation with the Ministries, keeping in tination of markets. This i3 decided view the sectoral targets and inter­ after due consideration of the trend sectoral balances proposed in the Draft of export of the various products, cost Plan. The targets themselves are re* of production, inter se competitiveness lated to the achievement of the basic of the products in foreign markets, objectives of the plan. import content of the product of ex­ port, the extent of duties/excise on raw material which have gone into Concessions given to Textile Industry production of these products etc. etc, These are indicated product-wise 4071. SHRI BALASAHEB VIKHE periodically. PATIL: Will the Minister of INDUS­ TRY be pleased to state: Visit of Central Government Em­ (a) the details of the concessions be­ ployees to Andaman and Nicobar is­ ing given to Textile Industry to re­ lands under L.T.C. Scheme habilitate and modernise the sick units since 1961; 4072. SHRI S. S. SOMANI: (b) the concessions given in cash SHRT K. MALLANNA: or subsidy in duty on export of Tex­ tiles; Will the Minister of HOME AF­ FAIRS be pleased to state: (c) whether similar concessions are being given to other industries also. (a) whether Government does not If so, details ot such industries and allow the Central Government Em­ the concessions given to those Indus- ployees to visit the place like Port .tries; and Blair in the Andaman and Nicobar (d) if not, what are the reasons Islands and places in the Laccadive, therefor? Minicoy and Amindivi Islands under the scheme of Leave Travel Conces­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE sion available to Central Govemznent MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Employees; and JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV): (a) to (d). The main concession/facility (b) if so, the reasons therefor? provided for rehabilitation and modernisation is grant of financial THE MINISTER OF STATS IN THE assistance at concessional rate of MINISTRY OF HOMft AFFAIRS interest under the Soft Loan Scheme AND IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, operated by the Industrial Develop­ JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS ment Rank of India. The Scheme (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) The Leave 133 W ritten Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answert 134

Travel Concession is available to em­ approved service in the Grade of Sec­ ployees visiting places like Port Blair tion Officers/Grade ‘A’ stenographer as in the Andaman and NicoJbar islands on 31-12-78 and the Union Public and places in the Laccadive, Mimcoy Service Commission have been request­ and Amindivi islands, as these are ed to hold the examination and give partg of Indian territory. the list of Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe officers for appointment to re­ (b) Does not arise. served vacancies as early as possible.

Fftttag op Vacancies of Grad* I of (c) As stated above, only fifteen offi­ Central Secretariat Service cers included m the panel remain to be appointed to Grade I Steps are being 4073. SHRI R. L. P. VERMA:Will taken to promote them to Grade I. the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Reversion of LA.S. Officers to States (a) whether the vacancies occurred during 1977 in Grade I of the Central 4074. SHRI GANANATH PRADHAN: Secretariat Service have since been Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS filled; be pleased to state:

(b) if not, reasons for this delay; (a) the number of I A.S. officers and 1 who are serving in the Centre for more than 5 years; and (c) how do Government propose to (b) the steps t«jren by Govern­ protect the interests of those officers ment to revest tho«i to their respec­ who have been included in the select tive States? list of Central Secretariat Service officers tor apoointment to Grad* 1 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE « f the service tor the year 1977, but MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND have not yet been promoted? IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE S. D. PATIL) * (a) 50 (excluding 15 offi­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND cers presently on foreign assignments). IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, JUS­ TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (b) They are being reverted after (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) and (b). The taking administrative requirements into strength of the Select List of Grade I, account. 1977 had been fixed at UA. A P*Peil of 91 officers belonging to general category recommended by the Selection Com­ mutt gro wsnet M* mittee 'for appointment to Grade I was Issued on *7-11-1078 and all of them ex* 4075. smta t*r: cept fifteen officers have been appoint­ ed to Grade I. As regards the remain­ ** f*wr nw : ing 27 vacancies reserved for Scheduled Castee/Scheduled Trib*» then being no *rr n * * * * * Scheduled Castes/Scheduled T4le % : cers fulfilling the prescribed eligibility (v) mn mrt tftx rniftrtWt tro condition available for promotion to mm f «noft m flute faff*r I ot tb« Service, it has been W I ; decided to hold a United departmental competitive exemjnatioa “confined to (*} ffr fi, ^ Scheduled Caste/acheduisd Tribe candi­ dates with not less tiiaw four years* 135 Written Answers PHALGUNA 30, 1000 (SAKA) Written Ansicerj 136

(*r) wt *w?r *tw Central Government have not asked ftwfffnft $ *PK m < « flranr iwrr ■nr i the States to prepare and implement any model scheme for the development of Harijans. However, guidelines were 'rtilfl *wwm ®f mu »hft winjl issued to state Governments by the wm aww) : (v ) fr (*r). !wt Planning Commission and the Ministry vwtvhr (fanra ’Jppt sftvfw of Home affairs to identify schemes in different sector, which can directly inTJr (rffow ’sftfww) 5m *rsr, m* $ benefit Scheduled Castes, and quantify ^ t o ^ wft %ttK iftwr i| ^ ftw *t t o t Maharashtra, Manipur, Punjab, Raja*- | i ^ awrfapr* t$$f*aaT aafa than, Tripura, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal have prepared a Special Com­ tfireai iwm aat ^rfirfiranr mv ponent for the Scheduled Castes. States arar£«n: aarfljrofr$ 1 like Bihar and Orissa have alsQ decided to prepare Special Component Plans

Model Scheme for Harijans Develop- - meat Cloth Fredaced by Textile MBit 4076 SHRI K. PRADHANI: WiU the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 4077. SHRI S. JAGANNATHAN: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be (a) whether Central Government pleased to state: has asked the States to prepare and implement a model scheme lor the (a) the total quantity of medium development ol Harijans; and varieties of doth produced by textile shills for the use erf the common man (b) if so, the n^mes of the States during last year; which have t aken initiative and shown interest in this regard? (b) the highest and the lowest price at Which such cloth is available THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and the quantity available for com­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS mon mftn at the Highest anA lowest (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a) range; and 137 Written Ammrt m&LGVHA 90, 1990 (SAKA) Written Answers

(«) whether Government haw tions stipulated by the issuing autho­ found it 'feasible to have tbe price rity; and printed on every metre of the textile goods so that the common map is not (d) if not, whether Government duped? have taken any steps against the mis- utilisation of the above mentioned THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE licences? MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV) • (a) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN During the year, 1978, 2597 million meters of cloth were produced in me­ THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY dium varieties i.e., varieties using yarns (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD m counts ranging from 17 to 40s. YADAV)* (a) to (d). Particulars of (b) There is a large variety of cloth import licences are published in the produced in medium categories and it Weekly Bulletins of Import Licences, is not possible to precisely indicates the Export licences and Industrial Licen- highest and lowest prices and the ' ces issued by the Chief Controllers of quantities available at these prices. Imports de Exports, New Delhi, copies of which are available in Parliament (c) At present, mills are required to print on every metre of cloth ex-mill library The information whether price plus excise incidence leaving it to these hecences were utilised properly the consumer to exercise his bargain­ as per terms and conditions stipulated ing power at retail level. by the issuing authority, is being col­ lected and will be laid on the Table lame of Replenishment Licences to of the House. National Federation of Industrial Cooperatives Ltd.

4078. SHRI BIRENDRA PRASAD: SC/ST P.C.S. Officers in Delhi Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Administration pleased to state: 4079. SHRI MAHI LAL: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be plea­ (a) whether any Replenishment sed to state: Licences have been issued to the Na­ (a) total number of Grade-I and tional Federation of Industrial Co­ FC$ officers in Delhi Administration; operatives Ltd. against the Export of and number of SC/ST Officers out of Woollen Namdha, Woollen Knitwear, them in these Gradee, separately; Nylon Knitwear, Handicrafts, Hand­ (b) number of posts reserved for loom and Footwear; ST communities and remained un­ filled because of non-availability of (b) if so, the period for which the ST candidates; and licences were given and its value (c) whether these unfilled posts have from January i960 to December, 1978; been are being transferred to Sche­ (c) whether the Ministry is satis- duled Castes candidates; if not, the reasons therefor when, the suitable these licences w«re utilised Scheduled Castes candidate axe avail­ Property as per the terms and condi­ able in Delhi Administration? 139 Written Answers MARCH 21, WTO Written AHsuMrs M »

THE MINIST/R OP STATE IN THE MINISTRY OFUOMB AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, JUSTICE & COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI C. D. PATIL): (a ) Total number o f Grade I and P.C.S. (a) Total number o f Grade-I and DAVICS officers Officer* in Delhi Administration and in Delhi Administration and number o f Scheduled the number o f S.C./S.T. officers out Caste and Scheduled Tribe officers out of them in of them in these grade*; these grades, is as follows;—

Gen. Sch. Sch. Total Cate- Caste Tribe gory

DANICS Officers 83 7(*) 91 (*) Excluding 3 S.C. Officers who resigned on securing higher em­ ployment. Grade I Officers. 323 27 350 (b ) Number of posts reserved for S.T. (b) DANICS Nil communities remaining unfilled be­ cause of non-availability of S. T . Grade-I Officers *4(*) candidates. (* ) Excluding lapsed posts.

(c) Whether these unfilled posts have (c) There has been a back-log in the filling up of the 1been__ - or are 1 being‘ —transferred ---- —— ^ to S.C. C* O vacancies -a /“'I in __ J Grade-I _ V -______reserved for Sch.-CasteI f* C* _ 1 _ <“'l itself_ j ^ - *_1 ? candidates; if not, the reasons there­ on account o f the non-availability o f such officials for when suitable S.C. candidates are within the zone o f consideration. Therefore ex­ available in Delhi Administration. changing the vacancies reserved for S.T. by S.C, according to the instructions, does not arise.

Taking Over of Automobile Industry ware if q* vt wwrr 4083. Tittare 4081. SHRI MOHD. SHAFI 'gURESHI: 115 prr *3$ fa tqrofk fife ’ Will" the Minister of INDUSTRY «trr foraf # qv m vmrHN be pleased to state whether Govern­ ott w far vt fcn «r$ nw m ment propose to take over automobile ifWfe *pt m m v* fcrc ? industr? trout ‘private hands in order to have a well knit-and coordi­ nated national transport policy? mm): THE MINISTER OF STATE IN # max M THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY fafrff vt

jMwwpawBt or Huk w a m rj (ii) Upgrading and reorganising the Central Sllk-worm Seed Sta­ 400*. SUM K. T. KOSALRAM: tion, Coonoor and Univolgine Re* Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be search Sub-Station, -Majra; Research pleased to state: Sub-Station, Kalimpong and the (a) the salient features of Che pro­ Central Tasar Silkworm Seed Sta­ gramme for the development of silk tion, Lakha, and Regional and field industry as formulated by the Central research stations for tackling local Silk Board; problems; (b) the steps being taken by Gov­ (iii) Strengthening the existing ernment to strengthen the Research Extension Centres and starting new and Development efforts In the silk Extension Centres; industry; and ( i v ) Undertaking comprehensive (c) by what time this programme training programme for providing for the development of silk industry the requisite technical and scienti­ is likely to be completed? fic man-power requirements to the industry. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (c) The Reseach and Development THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI programmes of the Board mentioned JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV): (a) above are intended to be supplement­ The salient features of the program­ ed by various other sericulture deve­ mes for the development of silk ind­ lopment programme of State and ustry during the Sixth Plan period Central plans. Together they are ex­ as formulated by the Central Silk pected to sustain a tentative target Board, are as under: of production of 7500 tonnes per an­ (1) Doubling the production of num of raw silk (including annual raw silk in the country to 75 lakh exports of Rs. 100 crores) which will kgs.; support employment of one million persons by 1982-83. (ii) Trebling the exports of silk goods to Rs. 100 crores per annum; Working of Heavy Engineering and Corporation (ii) Trebling the exports of silk 4085. SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: ment to 10 lakh persons. SHRI C. N. VISVANATHAN: (b) The Research and Development SHRI P. S. RAMALINGAM: programmes of the Central Silk Board Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pertain to improving the quality of pleased to state: food plants, evolution to better silk worm races, improving the rearing (a) whether it is a fact that Heavy practices, strengthening and expansion Engineering Corporation is functioning of extension work, and extending and far below capacity; improving the training programmes. (b) if so, the reasons for the dismal Towards achievement of the above ob­ performance; jectives the following steps ar being taken,: (c) whether there is a scramble bet­ ween HEC and MECON for the same (i) Strengthening and expand­ type of orders; and ing the Research Stations by organi- ing more laboratories for each major (d) if so, the steps taken to see division of research and providing that the two public sector units have fliem with more operational build- clearly identified areas for concentra­ and advanced scientific equip­ tion of activities without one encroa­ ment; ching on the other? 143 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1879 Written Answer* 144

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN vertisements in daily and weekly news* THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY papers for filling the post of quarry (SHRIMATI ABHA MAIT1): (a) manager with requisite qualifications The Heavy Engineering Corporation and experience; Ltd., Ranchi (HEC) is expected to achieve about 05 per cent of the tar­ (b) how many persons applied for get of production fixed for the current the same fulfilling the requisite qualif­ year. The targets of production which ication and experience; and are fixed for individual years after taking into account all relevant fac­ (c) is it a fact that all the appli* tors, such as, orders in hand, their cants fulfilling the requisite qualifica­ prcduct-mix, commitment to the cus­ tion and experience were not called tomers, availability of inputs such as for interview held on 19th February steel, boughtouts, imported compo. 1979 and what are numbers and names nents & parts etc. considered as the of those persons and reason thereof? attainable production capacities of the units. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (b) The shortfall in pioduction is (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YA­ attributed to various factors such as DAV). (a). Yes, Sir. inadequate and interrupted power sup­ ply during the first half of the year, (b> and (c,. Out of the 67 applica­ break-down of vital equipment and tions received in response to two ad~ existence of an atmosphere of indus- vertisements issued by the Cement tridl unrest. Corporation of India for the post of Quarry Manager in the months of (c) and (d). Although the areas of August and October 1978, 30 candi­ functioning of MECON and IIEC are dates fulfilled the requisite qualifi­ distinct and separate, in the case of cation and experience. 29 candidates rolling mills where MECON have a were invited for interview held on collaboration agreement with a reput­ 19-2-78. One Shri B. B. Sinha was not ed company abroad for design and invited for interview as his earlier manufacture, there has been recently confidental report dontained adverse some, inter se competition, between entries. HEC and MECON. This is, how­ ever, not the only sector where pub­ lic sector units are competing with w«| leaf each other. Even so, Government are considering demarcation of areas of 4087 fa* : W main responsibility. This would in­ frTtf fa fa * clude evolving a mechanism for effect­ ing better coordination of work am­ ( « ) swta ong various public sector undertak­ wifar vrt faihRPrr shft $ fare ings, including MECON and HEC, for $ fax? f r o # srrfw m faff ^ iflnc producing equipment for present and «rnr fofRRfr vk vt n n arctf i futu’ e steel plants fan fatfir fat $ ;

( « ) ft, fit * tnWTSTTT Interview for the Post of Quarry f?rr sfnw ssr* t *rk vt Manager in Cement Corporation m wfher w t 7 4086 SHRI LAXMI NARAIN NA- YAK, Will the Minister of INDUSTRY grtftn tfirom 8f twt («fl annwft be pleased to state: awn *tw) . (* ) ifk (w). wrafa f o r i t o * fw r t * t o t i t | (a) whether Cement Corporation of fa * vnrrt, vnffer m witrftw In^ia invite applications through ad­ (2T^fr t o ) * fit 145 Written Answer* PJ3ALGUNA 30, 190ft (SAKA) W ritten Answers 146 w r ^ wpt ft 1 *rrwff THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE M * srft fWtaimr * $ — MINISTRY O f PLANNING (SHRI FAZLUR RAHMAN): (a) and (b). ( 1) w «ft otvvA vt srfts Yes, Sir. ar vrfvrct <£*it in sW ^ forfara frrff % *«r * (c) In his Budget Speech, the De­ 25,000 a * **ttf?T puty Prime Minister and Minister of fiwT «nwr wifip; ^ ^ Finance has announced the decision of «ratr*jr*ft v t inrfar 7 % 10 the Government to appoint a Commis­ tn «fa* *t #*t wff^tr 1 sion with suitable terms of reference to conduct a comprehensive inquiry ( 2) « « f sift ^ fan *wt *rrffc? 1 (j) fafa’T writ arr# w ') ix f«rei vtih H «rfi«*r*r **r* 9.5 srfinnT * «Rr*fort # 11°; ?t»ft 1 4089. tft eto (pro #»ft : WT f f ( 4) ete &sr vt ftti; *rq fafas vTff *raft f?rr% Tt frcrr far *T»fr K ^ t f ’TT ITftftPTT $rm#m mt **rr*rr *vn 'wrftn 1 V

Low Cost Economy HI wirw 8f Tt»a »faft wm « n « ) ( * ) ^ (* r ). aft 5T, «ft*rnr 1 4088.'SHRI K. LAKKAPPA. Will the Minister of PLANNING be plea­ ( t ) srraer q?Tt/firr^m t if so, the details thereof and the thereto? decision taken thereon? 147 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Aiisufers 14&

THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI compulsory retirement under the rubs, MGRARJI DESAI); (a) and (b). M/a. for specific acts of misconduct or un* KELTRON had applied in August 1977 satisfactory performance of duty. for a letter of Intent for manufacture of 0.5 million members of Electronic (b) Does not arise. Digital Watches for the domestic mar- ket The application was rejected in Fost of Director General of C.SXR. December 1977, as it was not in con­ formity with the Industrial licensing 4093. SHRI DEVENDRA SAT- Policy for electronic watches in force PATHY: Will the Minister of SCI­ at that time, viz. 100 per cent export ENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be pleas­ on a Customs Clearance Permit basia ed to state:

(a) how long the post of Director General of CSIR has fallen vacant; f*W*TT (b) who is directing the research 4091. v w w fiiwrft: •ptt ^ FTT fr : work of CSIR at present; and (f») WUT WWTC iftr finjR V fif# (c) whether there has been any 3 faflprrS difference in the progress of scientific wnht *rf research in the absence of a Director- General? fa ) fft ^rtfhr wfftt t vnt ^ v<* d*> Tt IpF *T i TOE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI WT O T I ? MORARJI DESAI); (a) There is no vacancy. grata ifoiraw % x m 1fort («ft wwwil WOT W f) : (*) (w). ^RT Vtvft (b) The Director-General and I, *TRT T3W TT T9T I Directors/Heads of National Labora­ tories/Institutions are directing the research work. Employees of Regional Research Laboratory, Jammu (c) Does not arise.

4092. SHRI BHAlfU KUMAR SHA- STRl; Will the Minister of SCIENCE Publication of Reports of Special AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to Committee/Study Groups/Com­ state: missions

(a) how many employees were dis­ 4094 PROF. P. G. MAVALANKAB: missed from service during emergency Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS in Regional Research Laboratory, be pleased to state: Jammu (a unit of Council of Scientific and Industrial Research); and (a) whether one or more Reports submitted to the Government by one or more special committees/study (t>) how many of them have been groups/commissions remain unpub­ reinstated so far? lished so far;

THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI (b) if so, facts thereof and reasoiis MORARJI DESAI); (a) No employee thereto; was dismissed in the Regional Re­ search Laboratory, Jammu as a result (c) whether it is a fact that the of the use of powers under the Emer­ Minorities Commission have recently gency. There were, however, a few submitted some Reports to Govern­ cases of termination of services, or ment; ' Sifi' -if '4iwi ' ■ AiiniNW - iso

(d) if so, details thereof and (IT) Wft ''it^ WflflW1 whether they are being published, and Wfinft WT IPj^[flRT *R Vfinff tit SwWRRf if not, why not; and ftapfr t ; ^ (e) whether Government propose (»r) wr vf wifoff ti M wrtftra tim to publish all such Reports which re­ $7T «T$T fifPTT »RT Sfrt mained unpublished so far, and if so. t o V& * w r tit m when, and if not, why not?

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4096. SHRI DILIP CHAKRA- 4098. SHRI PRADYUMNA BAL: VARTY: WiU the Minister of HOME Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS AFFAIRS be pleased to state: be pleased to state: (a) the pay scale to which Govern­ (a) the number of political prison­ ment officers in the pay scale of ers still in jails in different States; Rs 650—1200 (Class II—Gazetted) ate and promoted in the various Ministries and Departments of Government of (b) what steps are being taken to India; set them free as a mark of the new (b) whether there are some Minis­ era? tries and Departments of Govern- mentment of India where persons THE MINISTER OF STATE IN after serving for more than ten years THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS in the pay 3cale of Rs. 659—120® are (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): promoted to the pay scale of Rs. 700—

ngrci'f * werarc ft ftwr «*n THE MINISTEROF STATE 111 THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY 4099. nm flR : w TOPI *wt t inn ft> One Letter of Intent have been grant­ ed to the Cement Corporation of India ( v ) WT sJ^{W *TfTTf*5 $ 1JW *TCft *Pt Ltd and M/s. Texmaco Ltd respec­ •yv w ftfwr $ fare# m * wtvrflr tively for setting up cement plants at flnrmt % w i w k $ r # f*r$ ^ n fr * r w R Yerranguntla in Cuddapah District «ro Hi *if w fw ft * with an annual capacity of 4 00 lakh tonnes each.

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4100. SHRI K. OBUL REDDY- Will («) wnw urn m the Minister of INDUSTRY be plea­ m *m mx "*$n c wn**r t * f xrt # sed to state M 2 4

Import of HMT Watches m w w ) («p) 4102 SHRI G Y KRISHNAN Will from $ fmj fciforr n & m f t ip r ftnsrM the Minister of INDUSTRY be plea­ mm Pnnm 5 *rt f i sed to state r(*) gm irf faqwfqft *t (a) whether it is a fact that Gov­ vnrfsppr yxvixt ircr ornfrrr i ernment are importing a large number nrrfy»rct sr*r ffarzrr # vt sffcpr *rrfa*rf fagrer srrft i ^ (b) whether Government propose Rnerfv^ farfaw faufoft 5 1 1 to expand the HMT units all over the country to meet the demand of watches indigenously, and

(c) whether HMT propose to place 5*rr stYt j 60 snra qrt Tt3nnr f*nT i THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY 2 fararr fvst wi ww*n $ (SHRIMAT1 ABHA MAITI) (a) No *t *t 3*$ RpFT SRT^ % sftETcU f t ant I S i farm # *r%ani 100 wrffcrat (b) and (c) With a view to aug­ srftrfem wraFTT i t ct s-ronr f t menting the availability of HMT srwf*r*F?TT £V srr^ v ftfr sft®r watches, HMT are implementing a 2 WT*TT ^ fk^ ft i fsraT f^xt Million Watch Project at Tumkur s m % w ^ f t nftr f t sm f^ nn units around manufacturing units at Tumkur, Bangalore and Srinagar as t feeder units for watch cases 5 ^f«RT faqpft 8RT fiRTT f * tt frf vr w v r srprr j yff srm: gfrff ^ $ WFt^r 'tt MiwrfTw gnrhft ^ *rgnr 4103 aft avfrw *. w Zff vr*$t t w t w % ftft waft # f t f*rr ^ f% . wtH ^ y Tur ft xm*t %n*wwn | i v t (*) jwrc star * v tt t i v f tfhertfWY w tfrftttft ft’farar vhPfr ?hnx tpwt vt * * 5 * to? Wnrr m t * gm £ *? «r^*nfftr *fr»RT $ T«ft t * f t *rt M I, 7 25000*0 ?n»r m w* r«*rr a m i asooo?o^^r W SWT | frtt < 163 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Wntten Answers 164

8 armmm Manufacture of 12®-MW S«ts by wft yr q q f t i o ? r i 2 - i BHEL.- sftrirc % wwfft (WTT TT frfaST flTTTTt been supplied to any party and uhat %ttt f?mt tt *r? wfa^rrc t t ^tt is the performance of the same’ 'frf^u fr t ^ rfim f^T^rr ffr*rt®'t»T THE MINISTER OF STATE IN *ftT ASTT ¥cTT?t Tt frt I SPf tiff T> THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY i w i j i ^ t i^t ssrtsRT *ft *tt^V TTf^rr I (SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI) (a) So far 17 Nos of 120 MW sets have been manufactured by BHEL Of these four have been supplied to Gujarat four to m* «if fwm\ * vTfnrt Madhya Pradesh four to West Ben­ gal State Electricity Boards and three 4104 «ft t v ? nm jtarrrci t o tot to Damodar Valley Corporation Two *nj *T3ft tfij VTR Tt fTT T ^ fr sets have been exported The perfor­

( T ) TO vfst T ?\TR ?TW Tr**? mance of these sets has been by and fowt *i frfpft wtfrenr g$ largp satisfactory («) frTSffH^ *tfT*tTt OTR (b) No, Sir, it is not correct to say ^ TW# |U H T T R ^FT an^ *t VTT TTJfaT?* T T that 120 MW sets supplied to the T $ | , w k DVC and WBSEB have been giving trouble continuously since commission­ (*r) WT?TT«rq^5rgf ^rfraft ^ ?wa ing However there were some teeth­ it I t # f*rr> t t «mr spirt *PTr | irfe ing troubles which were attended to «> wm TTT^T | ’ These sets are now stablished and are giving satisfactory performance «wnw itoi **m, ftrf® iftx Tmvrt icm IWWW a rm »nft qv« « • v&m) (c) and (d) Six to seven sets of 200 ( v H r J ’ f) 1^78^ 7 % *TTR# TftT MW capacity each are being manufac­ 5 w e rrrt>? *rnr^gf^r?rfr^ nq ^ if r 1977 tured by BHEL every year So far, ir^»m 9 (At 4 ^f^fr^^nrn 1 ^ sw^ft two of these sets suppked to Uttar ^ ? tt f r # P r r ^ T T T m *r^t ?RT Pradesh State Electricity Board and 1 1 f w

iftifr Ife fa ro (b) the ratio in which the people under different income groups re­ ceived the benefits thereof; and 4 1 0 7 . *wrr* ^gm : wr ashi (c) the details in this regard?

(«ff) TTSJTHTVTT’f V *^ tp h vftz f^rrjr^^arsr 3fsKT«m?rtfta3$«pn f ; rfT THE MINISTER OF STATE IN («r) VRifhr titwz fw r ijtt fftw? ^ THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING OTnw $ sssr Sr wt ^«n?t ?tt t$ | ? (SHRI FAZLUR RAHMAN): (a) It is presumed that the Honourable Mem­ wfcr mtvm * xmmh («ft w w > ber is referring to the total Plan ex­ srfTW anraw) : (^) tftSfe ssvt*i (ftrvrgr penditure from the First Plan on­ fr*TT fgrfJianflRr) trftrffm, lssi wards. It is indicated in the state­ Sr srfarfarn ^sfrtft 3 % n* ^otn % \ ment. srfafonr qttt $ srcrfa *fffe *ft g^nvr fr r% E^enrgr eftvi’sR (*mn*r) 3r | i *nx s*rnc ?rrar *ft° ?!T mfa*F srfsnsifarr tfrrrr ?n# 3 *rtr ^ snrsrareT * sft^ {itm w uta *r) Statement ?wt fcajsjrar («pph si^w) 5r | *rctorlr vt *»nr arar *rt irnit sror. ’sr'n^n Plan Outlay /Expenditure from First fwft S f :— Plan onwards Syc (otw sr^sr) am infhTTWR ( WRfi WTCRT «R%

Annual Plans:

Total Expenditure on Public Prof- 1966-67 to 1968-69 6625.0 rammes Fourth Plan 15779.0 1974-75 - Actuals 4928.4 1975-76 - Actuals 6416.8 4108. SHRI RAM VILAS PAS- WAN: Will the Minister of PLANN­ 1976-77 - Actuals 8081.7 ING be pleased to state: 1977-78 - Anticipated 9564.4 (a) the total expenditure so far 1978-79 - Outlay 1165C.2 ? Uf!r^ 030 WW*® Ptetgrammes under he to t six Five Year Plans; 1979-80 - Outlay 12510.0 t 6 j Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Wrrittsn Answer* 3^8

Low to Jate Industry doe to Strike ing promotions as one of the principal causes of frustration among Govern­ 4109 SHRI VINODHAI B. SHETH: ment servants; Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to state: (b) if so, is he aware that the list of Central Secretariat Officers for promo­ (a) the approximate loss to Industry tion as Deputy Secretaries during the caused by strike in Jute Industry; year July, 1978—June, 1979 which, in all propriety, should have been (b) whether other countries like announced in July, 1978 has not yet China and Bangladesh have partially been finalised; and captured foreign market in Jute in view of the stake; and (c) whether he would direct his Ministry to finalise the list by Middle (c) what steps Government propose of March, 1979? to take to put an end to such strikes? THE MINISTER OF STATF IN T1IE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFF­ THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY AIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD LAW, JUSTICE & COMPANY AFF­ YADAV): (a) Loss of production due AIRS (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) Ins­ to strike in Jute Industry is estimated tructions have recently been issued at 1.29 lakh tonnes valued at about by the Ministry of Home Aflfurs to Rs. 69.81 crores. all the Ministries/Departments of the Govt of India that there should be (b) No specifiic report to this effect no delay in selecting officers for pro­ has come to the notice of the Gov­ motion and that the Recruitment ernment. Rules should be finalised quickly so (c) The Industrial Relations Machi­ as to avoid ad-hoc promotions. nery, both at the Centre and in the (b) and (c) The work regarding States, continues to make efforts to the preparation of the Select List for minimise work-stoppages, through 1978 is m progress and the list ex­ informal mediation, conciliation, ad­ pected to be finalisied by the end of judication or arbitration, as necessary next month. under the existing statutory provisions and voluntary arrangements. False Currency Notes Workshop in Kutcfc District Finalization of list of Central Sectt Officers for promotion as Deputy 4111. SHRI ANANT DAVE: Will Secretaries the Minisiler of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: 4110. SHRI MOHAN LAL PIPIL: SHRI PIUS TIRKEY: (a) whether In Gujarat State in SHRI G. M. BANATWALIA: Kutch District near village Naidha- trana a workshop of false currency SHRI SH ANKESHINHJI notes was found working; VAGHELA; SHRI MUS^TriAR SINGH (b) whether any persons were ar­ MALIK: rested; DR. BUOY MONDAL: (c) whether it has come out in a Will the Minister of HOME AFF­ local paper that huge amount of false AIRS be pleased to state: notes are printed; and (a ) whether in a recent press con­ (d) whether this investigation ia ference he pinpointed delays in effect­ going on by local police or by CBEt ,69 Written A m m m -PHALG13NA 80, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answer* tyo

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN tive action. In specific instances; THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS cases have been registered by the po­ (StfRI DHANXK LAL MANDAL) (a) lice under the provisions of law. Some Yes, Sir. The Government of Guajrat of these cases &re under investigation has reported that the Police seized and some have been sent up for trial press machine rolls, printing paper, in courts of law. solution jar and electric motor etc. (b) Out of the 8 persons reported to Press Report regarding Cyclone during: be involved in the racket, five have 1977 due to Xuclear Explosion been arrested and efforts are being made to arrest the remaining three 4113. SHRI K. MALLANNA- Will persons. the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased to state: (c) One of the local news papers of Kutch District published the news (a) whether Government’s attention with question mark whehter counter­ is drawn to the ‘Free Press Journal feit currency notes worth Rs. 3 cro­ dated 20th January, 1979* that 1977 res were printed. No correct estimate killer cyclone and tidal wave could! can however, be given as the matter have been caused by a nuclear ex­ is still under investigation1: So far plosion and not by nature as has only 8 counterfeit notes of Rs. 10 been stated by a Lecturer in Physics denomination have been seized. and Astrophysics University of Delhi; (d) The investigation is being con­ (b) whether any letter has also duced by the StrfU CI.D. been addressed to the Prime Minister to order a thorough probe into these Violence in Industrial Units findings; and

4112 PROF. P G. MAVALANKAR (c) if so, the reaction of Govern­ nil] the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS ment thereon? be pleased to state: THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI MORARJI DESAI): (a) and (b). Yes. (a) whether Government are aware Bir. of the mounting violence in the indus­ trial units in various parts of the (c) There is no technical or factua' country particularly in the private basis for the supposition mentioned sector; in the press report. (b) whether the acts of physical assaults and even of murders of indus­ Annual Plan for Tripura trial heads and of Senior management personnel by alleged workers or 4114. SttRl KIRIT BIKRAM DEB trade unions, groups, or individuals BURMAN* Will the Minister of are seriously gone into by the respec­ PLANNING be pleased to state: tive Government authorities of the (a) whether the Annual Plan for various levels; and Tripura for 1979-80 has been finalis­ ed; (c) if so, how and with what results, if any? (b) If so, the broad features there­ of indicating the total plan outlay, the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN targets for industrial and agricultural THE MINISTRY O F HOME AFFAIRS production and economic growth; and (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL) (a) (b). Yes, Sir. (c) the outlays for social welfare, road transport, health, education and fcJnm Government authorities at the housing development programmes con­ tevel do take appropriate preven­ templated thereon? 17* Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answers

THE PRIMS MINISTER (SHIU (d) The concerns in India to whom MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (c). Dis­ Pumps manufactured by BPCL have cussions on the State’s Annual Plan been supplied are: BALCO, IPCL, 1979-80 have taken place. The total IOCL, ONGC, OIL, NOCIL, Bharat out-lay and its sectoral distribution are Petroleum Corpn. Ltd., FCI (All of being worked out by the State Gov­ its units m India) MCF, IFFCO, ernment on the basis indicated by the BRPL, BHEL, Deptt. of Atomic Ener­ Planninig Commisision and will be gy, GNFC, Rourkela Steel Plant, Hin­ indicated in the State’s Annual Bud­ dustan Levers, IISCO, and Neyveli get. Lignite Corpn. Ltd. These concers consequently use the components Working of Bharat Pumps and manufactured/imported by BPCL for Compressors the pumps. As for sale of components manufactured/imported by BPCL 4115. DR. MURLI MANOHAR abroad, BPCL have not exported any JOSHI: Wll the Minister of INDUS­ pumps or components theieof so far TRY be pleased to state: However, some of the pumps supplies (a) what is the up-to-date invest­ to the Indian parties listed above are ment, profit or loss, in the Bharat being financed by World Bank. Pumps and Compressors, a public Multi-Nationals in the Tyre Industry sector undertaking at Allahabad, 4116. SHRI C. N VISVANATHAN: (b) what are the academic qualifi­ Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be cations of its Managing Director; pleased to state: (c) how many pumps have been (a) the number and names of multi­ manufactured by this undertaking nationals operating in the Tyre In­ since its inception and how many dustry in India; assembled; and (b) whether Government have fixed any maximum of the percentage of (d) which concerns in India and profits for the multi-nationals and if abroad are using components of these so, the extent of compliance with the pumps which are manufactured by stipulation; BPC and which are being obtained (c) whether Government are aware from abroad? that the public are denied by and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN large participation in concerns like THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY Dunlop, Good Year, Madras Rubber (.SHRIMATI ABHA MAITI) • (a) The Factory etc.; and information as on 31-3-1978 is as fol­ (d) if so, the steps proposed to in­ lows: crease public and Government parti­ cipation in such industries? Investment:Rs. 2183.16 lakhs Cumulative THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Loss : Rs 412.00 lakhs MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI JAGDAMBl PRASAD YADAV): (a) (b) The academic qualification of The following four multi-national managing director of the Undertak- Companies are manufacturing tyres ing:- and tubes in India: — B.Sc., (Engineering) (both Electrical 1. M/s. Dunlop India Ltd. They & Mechanical) from Banaras Hindu have two units’ one at SahaganJ University. Passed in first division in the other at Ambattur, Madras. 1947. 2. M/s. Firestone Tyre and Rubber Co. of India Pvt. Ltd., Bombay. (c) The relevant information as on They have recently changed the 31st January, 1979 is as folows'- name of their company to M/s. (i) Centrifugal Pumps 261 Nos. Bombay Tyres International private (ii) Reciprocating Pumps 101 Nos. Ltd., 173 Written Answers PJLALGUNA SO, 1800 (SAKA) Written Answers 174

3. M/s. Ceat Tyres of India Ltd., Pension to Freedom Fighters of Bombay. Punjab

4. M/s. Goodyear India Ltd., 4117. DR. BALDEV PRAKASH: Will Ballabgarh. the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state. (b) Government have not fixed maximum percentage of profits for the (a) whether any list of freedom multi-nationals. However, the share* fighters for grant of pension under holding and industrial activities of the Pension Scheme of 1972 was sub­ these companies are regulated accord­ mitted to his Ministry by the Punjab ing to the guidelines under the Foreign State Government; Exchange Regulation Act. (b) if so, when it wag received and the final order passed in each case; (c) & (d). M/s. Firestone Tyre & Rubber Co. of India Pvt. Ltd. having (c) whether any complaint as re­ a paid-up equity capital of Rs. 220 minder was sent by the Punjab State iakhs held entirely by Firestone (USA) Government for taking no action in were granted permission under the certain cases of the freedom fighters Capital Issues (Control) Act to issue referred to above; and further equity capital Rs. 280 lakhs On implementation of this consent, US (d) if so, what action has been Company's and Indian shareholding taken in the matter and what final will be 74 per csnt and 26 per cent orders have been passed in these respectively. The company has not cases? so far implemented this approval. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE M/s Dunlop U. K. the principals MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS of M/s Dunlop India Ltd., were (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a) holding 51.25 per cent of the equity to (d). A list of 3485 cases said to be capital of the Indian company. pent* ng in Punjab State has been re- Consent was given by the Controller i eived towards the end of De­ of Capital Issues on 19th May, J977 to cember 1978 . No further reminder issue further equity capital of Rs. 33.30 has been received. The Hbt lakhs to Indian residents. With the is under scrutiny. A tot?i of implementation of this consent, the UK 17333 applications including the cases company’s holdings have gone down of Ex-INA personnel have been receiv­ from 51.25 per cent to 50.10 per cent. ed from the Punjab State. In 9816 The present equity paid-up cases pensions have already been capital of M/s. Goodyear India sanctioned. 4520 cases have been re­ ltd., is Rs. 748 28 lakhs. 5 U.H jected and 2997 cases could not be por cent of which is held by the* finalised for want of adequate docu­ US company. The paid-up equity mentary evidence. No case is pending capital of M/s. Ceat Tyres of India Ltd. initial scruity. The list relates to cases is Rs. 4,45,28,000/-, 49.88 per cent of where initial scrutiny has alrea ly boer. which is held by Ceat, Switzerland and done. 0.06 per cent by Ceat, Italy. It will thus be seen that there are substantial Cut In Production by Industrial Units Indian shareholdings in Dunlop India Manufacturing Items reserved for Ltd., Goodyear India Ltd. and Cear.l Small Seale Sector Tyres of India Ltd., while M/s. Fire­ stone Tyre and Rubber Co. of India 4118. SHRI SHAMBHUNATH CHA- Pvt. Ltd. have been permitted to bring TURVEDI: WiU the Minister of INDUS­ down their foreign share-holding. The TRY be pleased to state: proposal for the sale of the foreign share-holdings in M/s. Madras Rubber (a) whether in terms of the Press Factory Ltd. is under Govt/s consi­ notes of January, 3 and 5, 1979 Indus­ deration. trial units manufacturing items now *75 WHtten Answers MARCH 21, 1979 ' reservedfortheSm all Scale Sector (b) The Government are of the view under the Industrial^ Development & that Eighth Schedule to the Constitu­ Regulations) Act will be required to tion should not be enlarged, however, cut back their production to the level the Government’s endeavour is to en­ achieved before 29th August, 1973 in courage development of the cultural case their investment in plant and and literary heritage of all languages machinery exceedg ten lakhg now or irrespective of Cheir inclusion in the in future; Eighth Schedule. (b) whether this is likely to ad­ versely affect the growth of smaller wwutf *T»m «rtn, *«n m tm companies to the benefit of larger ones whose capacities are protected by their licences; and 4120. HI : WT (c) if so, whether it would not be desirable instead of curbing their (* ) %wr n srararflr sfptst natural growth, to deny them the sup­ sin | «rk *nr tfr porting concessions and benefits of ft; the small scale sector? (ssr) Ssr H wsrerct THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ferfTT | ft f%?nn, MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI wrara ferr snm JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV): (a) Government have spelt out the criteria ( it) w t sresrft 5FFT3r *rt»r crar to be followed while endorsing pro­ fl'STTt % jfw «F 5TT *7 * % ductive capacity on the Registration $ % *PPPR Vt *IT3RT | Certificates issued under Section 10 tfk zrfc ft, ?fr ssfhr w t | ? of the Industries (Development and Regulation) Act, 1951. Copies of the innn $ tiw wft wmMwiV Press Notes dated 3rd and 5th Janu­ sraw m w ): (v ) srcra *i*rar ary, 1979 which contain the details in spt 2.90 srw this regard are laid on the Table of ifto c t *pV % 1 firaw srcif 3 w a m l the House. [Placed in Library. See Does not arise. 1977-78 2,61,992 *fto (G) (l) Imlusion of Manipuri Language in nprfsTJ tjrtrf tfqx fRTW, «tol«f*PC $ ^ Constitution qsr tv w I ift irararft y w iw fr??tT | 1 # flra# 4119. SHRI M. KALYANASUNDA- apsfT 3 iraarrCt vnr^r *bt swi- RAM: Will the Minister of HOME AF­ «R f^parr

(b) if so, the reaction of Govern­ ( 2) *rc? mwrft m*m ment thereto? w . ftm firftw Jhst $ ATTO ftnn w :— THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1975-76 1,03,036 W MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS 1976-77 1,42,000 *ft0 Wt (SHRI DJIANIK LAL MANDAL) (a) Yes, Sir. 1977-78 6,80,000 W : An»wer$ ' 178

(W) 1982-83$ *RT ?RJ fW f^ (*r) WT «rt, 1977 $f «FTfT f»Wlf % fiTW «ft Wlftv WWWW 3.20 *tW M fw r era uwrftrtr wi ^ ^ wrar ifto &r «v t *n* ** mwr | 1 tvnrsr 3frq*srwr*f*&»rt5inftfaTT ff^t sprite t^tnr ^rc fowr (75000 *ft® ct anrf*w enrynr) *n*w f^w*iTST *£*w» # erarrwr %5WPf *mr fore gro f w f^nr m (w) «rf? 5t, st 15^ WF VR«T f ‘ ? sjarfsis sfkthw ( 80,000 ifto srcftn «hmiw tiwf *«i> Mhnft «rm e*f *Tfaf> ipRm) V JRT 1979 % WRT m*dw) : («p) VRflhr f»r»T*r vt WF *rrarr *115# HTTTcT *rf JTRIT «FT I s«rc *m farn (vfrfm) jra fsprfw qft «pt sr^m«r fonfam *t t$ marvRt *>tto qft- fiwrafftsr | 1 «>WT (7 5,000 »ft° eh *Tfo* w m r ) *P ar«l 1980-81 # *1* f> * 1% sft T O (ar) qr wf»^nr fw r I I ftwr | *r?r f?r w w ^ frf?r fftr ?n*r ^ fwfram ^ vt m wrat 1 1

r»t?m Wf finft $ *w? (»r) aft irf 1 («i) *rtn- «P73 msft f® TTfeit ^ 4121. m 3 fftn SHEfTT 'R *P R ^Tf?Tc«n % qV® %Z *lf »rat "«tomto” *fa ‘ 77” to ftret $ wlft? imrrf^T % « i r ?t ^ ^ ^ t 13 fe w , 197 8 $ arofef a^T ?r*rsr ?t*f jjft fwr h f

(«F) 9TH? imff ft t% *Ttr fafaff W $ sr* 3 fareTr w srtof * Torn $ Per Capita Income in j & K !J#T ^TT'JT WT f ;

(*Sl) fBTT ffT^TTT OT f? R R ^ P S T *f S*nt qrtf fafais ar«r£ wfa *WV 4123. SHRIMATI PARVATI DEVI: •pwrftraf $ wet * ^ r t o r *p srtwrt tvs* Will the Minister o! PLANNING be pleased to state the per capita income * t ; in the Jammu and Kashmir State (*r) xrfe # , ?ft vu vTT®rf ? separately for Jammu, Srinagar and Ladakh regions?

3titatnrrtra n w * «raft (*ft wwaft THE MINISTER OF STATE IN" THE w j t o f ] : (< ), («r)(*r) srafw MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI m f s r r r f t « rw FAZLUR RAHMAN). Separate esti­ v ir ^ g v R stmvn % %rivf mates of per capita income of Jammu, $ I StrffhT ^Wrt*T WPTi VTJT W*W Srinagar and Ladakh regions are not wr*r i¥ isrmsk wf*nft5f ®r^ t available. According to estimates re­ % i&J&f ^ f?N>V wT*nr fwwi

. (y ) WT *T5 W I % «rroft*r v f 4124. SHRI MADHAVRAO SCIN- ftjw *r^f tmrrfiw ?ro ^r DIA: Will the Minister of PLANNING *rraf vt ffRk vr ^ r| ; be pleased to slate:

^ ( J ) w ([ff «tr«r«r # atvr vt «nrcr (a) the present percentage of popu­ P » w ?r*»fmr | «fk arfir ?t, ?ftft?«RT; lation living below the poverty ‘ line;. Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Wrttten Answers t * 0 (b) its percentage before the for­ those undertakings and expenditure mation of new Government at Centre, incurred by them, separately, in de­ tails, and (c) its break-up State wise, and (c) whether the expenditure incur­ (d) «teps taken or proposed to be red th/erefor commensurated with taken during the next two years to the export orders received and if so, improve it7 facts thereof, and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) the total amount of money spent MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI in this fair and the cost benefit of FAZLUR RAHMAN) (a) and (b) the Fair’ According to the norm adopted by the Planning Commission 46 3d pez cent THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of the people were estimated to be MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY SHRI­ living below the poverty line during MATI ABHA MAITI) (a) The Third 1977 78 The estimates for 1978-79 Indian Engineering Trade Fair was are not available primarily organised with the follow­ ing objectives — (c) State-wise estimates are not available - to effectively project Indian Engineering capabilities and techno­ (d) Various measures and pro­ logy to the world and to our own grammes lor achieving the obiective people of reduction of poverty are spelt out —to establish this as the place to in the c rt ft Five Year Plan l )* 3 -8 transact business conclude collabo­ The highest priority has been accord­ ration agieements and technology ed to agriculture and allied sectors exchange programmes irrigation and village and cottage in­ dustries whidh have the greatest —to expose our industry to the capacity to absorb surplus labour challenge ol world trade thus fore e cpanded minimum nt*>1 pro­ ing the pace for quality improve­ gramme has also been provided for ment and technological updating so that the living standards of the poor (b) The names ol the public sector people can be jirectly supplemented undertakings who participated in the by the provision ol cextain minimum Fair alongwith the expenditure in­ basic amenities curred towards rent of premises occu­ pied by them is given m the State­ The Annual Plans for 1978-7 i and ment enclosed Other expenses in­ 1979-80 have been formulated keeping curred by them are likely to be these priorities in view moderate

Third Engineering Trade Fair, 1979 (c) and (d) It would not be quite correct to relate the expenditure in­ 4125 SHRI MADHAVRAO curred by the Public Sector or Private SCINDIA Sector units on the fan with the ex­ SHRI D D DESAI port orders received dunnt? the Fair itself Such Trade Fairs are not Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be expected to reallv bring any imme pleased to state diate tangible gain to the individual (a) whether the Third Engineering companies but is mainly to project Trade Fair-1979 m Delhi during Feb­ their capability mdividtaliy and that ruary, 1979 was primarily organised of the country's engineering capability for encouragement of export of engi­ as a whole both to outside countries neering goods, and domestic buyers with the benefit of creating awareness of India s (b) if so, whether some of the achievement for a long term business Public Secttn* Undertakings also took advantages and boosting India’s ex­ part in the fair and if so, names of port tg x Written A m w m PHALOUNA SO, 1900 (SAKA) Written Antwere 162

Statement

Indian E'Hinurnt Trad• Fair, 1979 Public Sector Units—^Participants

Expenditure incurred S Nam? of Participants toward* No. rent o f premises occupied

R».

1. M/s. Bharat Earth Movers Ltd. . . 30,750 2. M/s. Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. . 70.000

3. M/s. Bharat Heavy Plate & Vessels Ltd. . 10.500

4. M/s. Bharat Pumps & Compressor* Ltd. . 38.500

5. M/s. Engineering Projects (India) Ltd.

6. M/s. Electronic Trade & Technology Dev. Corpn. to,500 7. M/% Export Inspection Council 10.500 8. M/s. Hind Cycles ..... 5.250 9. M/s. Hindustan Photo Films 21.000 10. M/s. Hindustan Steelworks Construction Ltd. 5-250 11. M/s. Heavy Engineering Corporation Ltd. 42.000 12. M/s. Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd. 73.500 13. M/s. Hindustan Machine Tools Ltd. . 31.500

14. M/s. Indian Standard Institution 6,000

15. M/s. India Tourism Development Corporation Free 16. M/s. Instrumentation Ltd. 17.500 17. M/s. Jessop & Co. Ltd...... 53, 000

18. Minerals &. M etah Pavilion:

M/s. Hindustan Copper

M/s. Hindustan Zinc

M/i. Bharat Aluminium 1.>5.500 M/s. Geological Survey

M/s. Indian Bureau of Mines

29. M/s. Mining & Allied Machinery Corporation Ltd. 31,000

20. M/s. M ECQN Ltd...... 70.000

at. M/s. Mazagaon Docks Ltd...... 43,750

aa. M/s. National Mineral Development Corpn...... 17*500

*3* M/s. National Small Industries C o r p o r a t i o n ...... 1,90,000 i 83 Wfttten Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answers iS #

Rs,

24. M/s. Richardson & Cruddas( 1972) Ltd...... 5 .250

25. M/s. State Trading Corporation ...... ' 35,000

26. M7s. Steel Authority of India Ltd...... 170,000

27. M/s. Scooters (India) Ltd...... 10,500

T o t a l ...... 10,34,750

Setting up of Large Scale Industrial Plants .

4 126. 3?r>»t 4127. SHRI SURENDRA BIKRAM:' Will the Minister of PLANNING be (^ ) sftatF’pp ^ ? i i pleased to state: 1979 ^ (a) names of large scale industrial TT^ #!T5?r tio srrfo plants being set up in various States fo 5rr|o ^ ?Tcrr5T^ during the Sixth five year plan; €r ’Tf; wtT (b) the criteria for selection of (w ) 'Tf^’^riT ? States for the purpose; and

(c) the expenditure likely to be' incurred on these projects during the ^ > 1 1 Sf Tisat RSft Sixth five year plan? Sl^TT? srx?^) : (^ ) ^ 12 ^ 17 1979 ?TPftf3r;T THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI jpT fT»T5^ MORARJI DESAI): (a) to (c). A list rT«IT ^ of central industrial and mineral pro­ ?nfo f o ‘ m fo ) % ^ jects proposed to be set up during the TT =^=^f |f 2ft :— Five Year Plan 1978— 83 and the out­ {1 ) ^ whftf’T^ r=i+re lay provided are given on pages 200­ ^ ^ H W>TT ^5TT 205 cf the Draft Five Year Plan (

{ 3 ) 3 T f t I ? i f t P F r d TT^l ^'r ?«nf'T?T fe f Agreement between B.H.E.L. and 5TH ^ ?T*TT f^giTT^T ^i^r- Siemens for the maiiafactare of 200 M W — 100 M W . Steam Turbines ( 4) STMfWt- 'TTTTO, 5f5T«1'lT 4128. SHRI BHAGAT RAM: Will the einTrfe Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased to ^T?=T ^flTTfT I state:

(t s ) r^f^reTf ^ 35=17 ^ HffW (a) whether Government have uptil

f w t s ^ I I now generally restricted the length of 385 Written Answers PHALGUNA 30, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers i8 6

technical collaboration agreements to ernment of India to its own em­ a period of five years but the excep- ployees? 1ion being an agreement between BHEL and Siemens for the manufac­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ture of 200 MW—100 MW steam tur­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS bines which seek to tie up w ith Sie­ AND IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, mens for fifteen years; JUSTICE & COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI S. D. PATIL); (a) The Govern, (b) whether there are restrictive ment of Kerala have been granting •clauses in this agreem ent prohibiting leave to the State Government em­ the sale of BHEL equipment in 89 ployees for taking up jobs abroad sub­ 'Countries in which Siemens has instal­ ject to certain conditions. lation or manufacturing commit­ ments; and (b) Central Government employees (c) what is the justification of all nominated by the Government and -this? selected for assignments abroad are allowed to take up such assignments THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE with their lien on their posts being MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI- maintained for a period of three to five MATi ABHA H A ITI); (a) No, Sir I;i years. the past also, agreements for periods •of more than five yearg have been approved by the Government. The Production of T.V. Sets by Keltron .agreement for the manufacture of 200 IVrw to 1000 MW (not 100 MW) iP'Om 4130. SHRI VAYALAR RAVL Will turbine^ is between BHEL and the Minister of ELECTRONICS be Kratfwerke Union (a subsidiary of pleased to state: Semens) and it is already in force sets sitic.e August. 1976. (a) the total number of T.V. produced by Keltron in Kerala; (b) As per the collaboration agree­ (b) whether Government are aware ment for 200—1000 MW steam turbines of the fact that present rate of pro­ and generators with M/s. Kraftwerke duction is quite insufficient to meet Union, BHEL have selling rights all the demand in the State in view of over the world with the exception of the coming up of a T.V. Centre at the countries of the European Econo­ Trivandrum; and mic Community, Austria, Yogoslavia, Spain, Brazil, Japan and USA. (c) whether Government propose to increase the present capacity of (c) Does not arise. production, if so, the details thereof?

Facilities to Employees for taking up THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI Jobs Abroad MORARJI DESAI): (a) The produc­ tion of television sets by Keltron h® 4129. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: been as under: — Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS Year Number be pleased to state: 1974 242 (a) whether Government are aware 2971 ■of the fact that the Kerala Govern­ 1975 ment is granting all facilities to their 1976 3340 employees including leave without 1977 4929 allowances for 5 years for taking up 1978 4336 jobs abroad; and ' (b) if so, w hether similar facilities Total: 15818 rare proposed to be given by the Gov­ 187 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answers xgg

(b) and (c) Capacities for the *tw n tiwm* * t m («& wmqc manufacture of TV sets are licensed/ ( * ) %ttK ( * ) 1978-83 approved on the basis of total demand ti t o vt irmt vlfr fcxsrcm ^ and not with the aim of providing for w $ ftrrT fsreffor tit *if the demand in a particular State being 1 1 fftr vttx t o «feft, fererf «ra met from within the production in wdttit tit g wftraw $r that State The major TV set manu­ I, fcra* ttft «rfwt tit 78-8* «tft *nrfk sitcntt farcrtf fa Persons Employed In Middle East by 15-3*; % 650 m f srtet *t»t ?rro 3TT I the E P I. Ltd (*t) tttt i f r ?rm i 4131 SHRI VAYALAR RAVI Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased Consultation with Ministry of Indus­ to state try on Excise Rate (a) how many persons are employ­ ed in the middle east projects by the 4133 SHRI DHARMASINHBHAI Engineering Projects (India) Ltd, PATEL Will the Minister of INDUS­ (b) the salary of these workers TRY be pleased to state category-wise, (a) whether the Ministry 0f Indus­ (c) whether their salaries are m try are consulted when rate of excise accordance with the Government spe­ on a particular item is to be increased cification, and or decreased, (d) if so what are the steps taken (b) do the Ministry take into ac­ to protect the interest’ count the unutilized capacity in a particular industry before agreeing to THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE increase in excise rate, MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (c) do the Ministry guide the MATI ABHA MAITI) (a) to (d) The Finance Ministry as to how to increase required information is being collected the excise revenue through increase from the overseas projects of the in production, and Engineering Projects (India) Ltd (EPI) and the answer will be furnish­ (d) if so, the industries m which ed after complete details are available this was done’ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE In % irWt rtr hw w i m w it MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV) (a) 4132 vrtro • wt to (d) The Ministry of Finance is ftt fa responsible for imposing, or for in­ creasing or decreasing the rates of (v ) m Sw ft excise duty on commodities While vtf * fa? «it qiwftgw & bringing about any change, tha con* vrsrvTWRff $ , cerned ministries/departments are ( * ) ?t, aft W I T % TpET tflforc generally consulted and the relevant $ frnj tft sfcrorcr fair , wh factors like capacity utilization supply- (*r) a t w r f ’ demand gap, relative prices etc. are; 189 Written Antmr$ BHALGUNA 30, 1800 (SAKA) Written Answers 190 taken into account The question of vpft $ GUT Wfa H*TT * Ministry of Industry guiding the STCrfta vnf ftnsrrr *t % ft w t | » Ministry of Finance in these matters, amr w spot* —- therefore, does not arise. ^rr wprf *r^ sttt *8* tfrrifa utarjn « «prnfi < fw? » w w *ry f r r t i it mft «n f% 1970, 1973 ^ *rNr far^nfft % |#T W3T ft 24,97,800 fft?T fotramt nrfswt wfWt «fr 1 4134. «rt w f : o t 8RT ?Ntt ^ »r| fiwr jrarV ^ «Pt rrr fa flwnpft qr ftwwft ?r qr w rw^ vr ^wpt ftwrr «jt 1 arw ^ *if hw finrvt (* ) *nrcra fr r o sro w^sftorw sttt vftv fw w «n ?wt ftRr wh *r siigfr wit V r ifrsr^rr $ fa q s t t w h ^ ^ tr # »rat *fr ^?r vt trm ^ vn I , fvrforvnf «rr jtw f^rr >m «tt «r fnr«r ft $ aFffcfffor jpppft ^r ift spTT f*rr («r) ®st spffa tfftrcr # fpR *tt ( *rfe ifg *rrar fW vt sttt frnr Ppjtt w r d wn 3107 61 sHsr w c^tt v tf 2f?PT?r «rr ftr?rft *5nr- t t U ^0 % qrfV*qnr ^ sr^pt fam *rr t m =p p^ft ft faff ^ jpt *ii f*r *n?t jfr ^ «rmt wfsr^rT vm rrf n^r^t | fanr? *i vmrr^ Tf v* Tnft «ft ?r flwww fkwt # g€tr ^ r r m it ft jtt^rt srcte# f ?wr «*r 9X ea^r ft fe im r w ift ssnfr^m «nt «frr fipsiT T ( » ) irfar ^r, ?fr tfwvsft a^n wt | , qs^rrr fr«rr Pjrt anfr t ft w «nc ^ft pH ftimRft ?r ^ gwresr jn^p ^ fw? irw 3RT fiprr mttjn 1 p^rfsnFn: w r (*r) *rfa 5^ , ?fr fansw ^ wt t o t xrfftiw*n» «»iwr wrafrr srfwi vnftn ^ V vT*rt srfroiiwr smrr a^gn: «m I 5 fvn$t filfilijt ^ «IH VSpTT ^ VX 4imnr w M wnNt feTT «TT I «R>T ^ Wft apt ^ f^VT ^ www wm) : (w) %tt* (w) 6 faranwn:, 5^ WT%W it fanT «TT fa «»!! fnft % mn- 1978 lift ^ n#

^ ftr* f ttx q* w OTt*r # f*wfar Oiitriet Industries Centres is Gujarat ’ivtrfvt srcr *rw ftw fiparrEnnviT wOrct arrtrot t 4137 SHRI CHHITUBHAI GAMIT: Will the Mm s\cr of INDUSTRY be (»r) gtnfar (* ) qar ( « ) $ t »*r $ «r$ 33?rr« pleased to state: (a) the number and nature of wfftwr * irwwrf * whr wrtt ift art* industries registered at district indus­ tries centres of each district of 4ii6. *ft gviAt wrrnnr 9ot: *wr Gujarat uptil 31st January, 1979, *5 *iefy *r? qft f *r**iV, ( j) wrrtTrer fa* ^nfar tfrsnrr fa«rr ( 4) ftKsmifl ot mrs f*RT

*$? *wtwt ?wt wrw, ftifia ^pppft-itro (c) District Industry Centre has yet WBW *Wt (Mttjflo *to qifew) been sanctioned for Surat District. («F)*ftr(»ar) <»^^?r#T® rair^^sft^o#ko However, as per information received fwsrr^f^nTTfTOT* *tpte ^ 3-10-1977 from the Government of Gujarat 122 *?* sift fo r sr«w g^nrr frcffe i f r t f SSI Units with an investment of «rwr srrrwr *rc st «ft « SKta-q* «r«ft ?m Rs 38 13 lakhs and likely employment ^ f w r w H i «ft fogar yfr fitttwrQ % fartr of 1012 persons have been registered v t f m z srrffr ^ fw m t o t «tt \ with the Surat office of the State Industries Department «fV $ o $0 fsnrsrr $ tt*?1 7- 6-1975 *f, im 1 f¥ WtV ^ T 5rmtfv?T WT ffW 4174 While the details of various articles $ S tP : ?T fa^TT* 16—8—1978 "Pt TOT to be produced are not available, the tnr f^T?:nvTRrfit^ i ^jhot *pfapr

SI Namt of District Industry Centre No of SSI Investment No of No. units required persons registered fin Rs Jafcfu) Jjkely to get employment

I Bhavnaspat .# 106 46 80 565 3 Bbatuch #* 5^ 99 36 tiia 3 Amreh 4 , 32 5*53 356 4 Banaskantha 9 S S 39 10 86 *78 5 Salmkantha $ p # 54 itt'95 194 6 Pauohmahals # # 60 37*23 460 7 $ur

The nature of industries are viz., (b) if go, what are the reasons Food Products, Tobacco Products, for the same; and Textile Industry, Wood Industry, Paper Products, Leather Industry, (c) what are the steps taken to Rubber Industry, Chemicals, Glass & help the workers? Ceramics, Cement processing, Non- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Ferrous & Ferrous, Machinery & MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI­ Equipment etc. MATI ABHA MAITI): (a) & (b). On the 12th July. 1978. the workers of Disapperance of Netaji associate contractors of the Engineer­ 4138. SHRI A. K. ROY: Will the ing Projects (India) Ltd., went on a Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleas­ strike at the Ain Baghze Housing Pro­ ject in Kuwait without any notice. ed to state: The strike took place following an (a) whether he is aware of the incident in which a worker, who was controversy created 'Ey the display absconding from the work site for of photograph of Netaji by Prof. about a month and a half, was alleged t Samar Guha M.P. on the 23rd Janu­ to have received some injury. Some ary, 1979 in Calcutta; demands were subsequently put up by the workers relating to terms of leave, (b) whether it is a fact that a medical facilities, payment of over­ number of friendly foreign countries time, increase in wages etc. The have been involved in the question strike ended on the 27th July, 1978 of disappearance 0f Netaji likely to after protracted negotiations and with cause strain in our international re­ the cooperation of the Kuwaiti Gov­ lations; and ernment authorities, (c) will Government make a probe (c) In order to improve relations into the matter and give facts in de­ between the workers and the associates tails? of the Engineering Projects (India) Ltd., the following measures have been THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE taken: MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (i) Revitalisation of the Griev­ (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a). Yes, Sir. ances Committee for each of the Associate companies; (b) According to information availa­ (ii) Constitution of Works Com­ ble with Government no foreign mittee at the project level consisting country is involved. of two representatives of Workers from each Associate, two representa­ (c) in the absence of more precise tives of the Associate; and represen­ information it is difficult for the Gov­ tatives of Engineering Projects ernment to undertake inquiries to find (India) Ltd ; out the whereabouts of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose. (iii) increase in wages of different categories of workers ranging from Strikes dn E P I Ltd KD 6 to KD 11 per month;

4139. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Will (iv) more attention on medical the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased facilities. to state: (v) more recreational facilities; (a) whether it is a fact that there (vi) meeting of Project Director/ wa* any strike o* agitations by the General Manager/Deputy General workers in any 0f the Engineering Manager (Personnel) of the EPI rejects (India) projects in the Mld- with workers daily to redress their East; individual grievances; it any; and U M f. 195 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 W ritten Answers

(vn) greater supervision by the (d) whether Government con­ staff of EPI at the time of payment sider a thorough enquiry into tbe ol wages to workers by the concern­ deal and take necessary action against ed associate-contractors concerned officers?

Complaints for Workers in Middle THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE East in the Engineering Projects MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (India) Ltd. JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV); (a) The All India Handicrafts board has 4140 SHRI VAYALAR RAVI- Will not spent Rs. 25 lakhs but Rs. 4.77 the Mimstej of INDUSTRY be pleased lakhs for preparing 10,000 Madhubani to state. Calendars using original folk paintings painted by the flood-affected artisans (a) whether Government have re­ of Mithila district The making up of ceived aviy complaints from workers the calendar was organised through m Middle East who are working for two organisations (l) North Bihar Ind. the E P .I projects, against EP.I Area Dev. Authonty, Muzaffarpur authorities; and (n) ‘Naika’ which is a rural craft (b) if so, what are the steps taken; centre of SMM Trust for Crafts a nd how many are of expenditure. Expenditure ®ri being stacked ir>> godown; and Calendar for 1978 was Rp. 1*40458 for 197 W ritten Answers FHALGUNA SO, 1800 (SAKA) Written Answers 19

10.000 Nos. This depicted a Kalamlcarj adult education and universal literacy painting reproduced on JEChadi silk in programmes, STC have already impor­ 10.000 numbers through silk screen ted some quantities of writing and process. Out of which the craftsmen Printing paper to fneet the require­ themselves got little unlike in the pre­ ments of Government indentors. Ad­ sent case where the craftmen and wo- ditional quantities will be imported as men have received Bs. 3.7o lakhs by and when necessary. way of wages. The Board did not publish any calendar in 1977. Import of Raw Wool from Australia (c) The calendar has been made for free crafts-publicity by the Board un­ 4143. SHRI KUMARI ANANTHAN: der its normal programme. Some Will the Minister cl INDUSTRY be copies are being provided to public pleased to state: undertakings on a no-profit-no-loss basis at Rs. 50/ each. Since 1st Jan­ (a) the total import of raw wool uary, 1979, when the first lot was pro­ annually from Australia; vided, over 3500 calendars have al- jeady been distributed/disposed ol. (b) the reasons for the Australian “■The balance will be cleared soon. Wool Corporation officials suggesting Stocking in godowns is not contem- that India should build a stockpile of lated. 10,000 tonnes of wool; and

(d) The production of calendars as a (c) the steps taken by Government means of providing work on wage to to implement this suggestion of

/xtoiultn «T MtiuuwflHis Pattern at (b) if *0, wheta; and Monopoly puxtbam of Cotton to (c) if not, the reasons therefor? Haryana THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4144. SHRI K. RAMAMUKTHY MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND Will the Minister ol INDUSTRY be MINISTRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND pleased to state: COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI S. D PATIL): (a) to (c). In their 51st Re­ (a) whether there is any proposal to extend the Maharashtra pattern port, the Committee on Petitions of monopoly purchase ol cotton for (Rajya Sabha) has recommended that an appropriate legislative measure be Haryana, Punjab and Rajasthan; and brought before Parliament, as envis­ (b) if so, the reason lor not ex­ aged m the Constitution, to regulate tending this scheme to all parts of the recruitment ana conditions ol ser­ the country? vice ol persons serving the Union Government is yet to take a decision THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE on this recommendation. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV). (a) No, Sir. Oases pending against Former Prime (b) Does not arise. Minister

Introduction of a BiU to Regulate 4146. SHRI PADMA CHARAN SAM- Recruitment and Conditions of ANTA SINHERA Will the Minister ot Service HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state (a) whether it ig a lact that many 4145. SHRI HARI VISHNU KA- cases are pending in the courts for MATH: Will the Minister ol HOME trial and consideration against the AFFAIRS be pleased t0 state: ex-Prime Minister, Mrs. Indira (a) whether Government propose Gandhi, and to introduce a Bill in pursuance of (b) if so, what sort ol cases and in the enabling Article 300 of the Con­ which courts they are under trial? stitution to regulate the recruitment and conditions of service ol persons THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE appointed to public services or posts MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS in connection with tbe affairs of the (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a) Union; and (b). A statement is enclosed.

Statement

Number o f Cases penitngfor trial in dxgerent courts against the former Primt Mrnster, Smt. Indsra Gandhi.

51. Section of Law Particulars of the Case No. and date Allegations in Brief No. concerned Court of filing

I # 3 4 5 1 Under Sections 178 and Chief Metropolis Case No. 5/2 dated For refusal to testily on 179 IPC. tan Magistrate, 30-1-78. oath before the Com- Delhi. mission of Inquiry headed by Justice Shri J. C. S k 9h . 9 Under Sections 178 and Do. CaseNo.7 dated Do. 179 IPC 23-1-78. •>01 Written Answers PHALGUNA 30, 1900 (SAKA) Written Anmers 30

Under sections 120B r/w Special Judge, De­ RC-9/77-FS-INew Alleged misuse of po Sec 165. i6nA IPG lhi. Delhi dated 3-10- wers and abuse Sections 5(a)/s(i)(d) of 77 authority to obtain the Prevention of Cor­ jeeps and/or other ruption Act (Act II of vehicles from indus- 1047) and Section 109 timliats. business ho* IPC. uses and/or their com* panics for electione­ ering and propaganda inRaibareli, Amethi, etc.

Under Sertion 31 of the 1st Cla*s Magistrate and Nov. 1978. Wrongful Affidavit filed Representation of Peo­ Dedda Ballapur by Smt. Indira ples Act read with Sec­ Distt. Bangalore Gandhi in connection tion top IPC with her enrolment as a voter in Karna­ taka State.

Kerala Casual, Temporary and Badli shifting from Kerala to neighbouring Workers (Wages) BUI, 1972 States because of the reasons that Kerala has fixed higher minimt*n 4147. SHRI K A RAJAN Will the wage and the workers in Kerala are Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleasr better organised to fight for their 06 to state. demands; and (a) whether any decision has been (b) what remedial measures the taken on the Kerala Casual, Tempo­ Union Government propose to take in rary and Badli Woikers (Wages) Bill, the matter? 1972 which was sent for President’s THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE assent; and MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (b) if so, the details thereof’ JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV): (a) and (b). The Government of Kerala , THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE has reported that eversince the imple- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND mentatiop el Beedi Cigar Act, by the ttt THE MINISTRY OF LAW, JUS­ State Government, a number of Beedi TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS factory owners in the State have either (SHRI S. D. PATEL): (a) Presuma­ closed down their factories or cut down bly the reference is to the Kerala the labour strength in their factories. Casual, Temoprary and Badli Work­ Subsequently, to tackle the problem ers (Wages) Bill, 1977. No decision of unemployment of Beedi workers, has yet been taken in this case. the State Government organised a Constitution is being done with the Beedi Cooperative Sbciety in Can- Government of Kerala on the sub­ nanore District which was the most ject. affected area. (b) Does not arise With the implementation of Mini­ mum Wages Law in Cashew and Shifting ^ Traditional industries Handloom Industry* Kerala is fac­ from Kerala ing competition from the neigh­ *148 SHRI C. K CHANDRAPPAN: bouring States, where minimum Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be wages are comparatively low. Pleased to state: The question of implementation of a policy of regional minimum wages (a) whether Government are aware for industries like cashew, beedi, etc. Pv * ™ct3 at traditional Indus* was considered in the State Labour Cashew and Handloom Ministers’ Conference of Southern 8how*ng dangerous tendency of Region held at Trivandrum on 27th 203 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answers

January 1978 There was general ative Government have also taken the agreement that the wages of the beedi following steps — workers should oe revised in the States of Andhra Pradesh Karnataka (1) Decision not to import cotton and lamil Nadu A« regards cashew during the year industry it was ajsreed that the whole (2) Permit exports of staple cot­ question should be looked into by a ton, including cotton of the Committee which would have represen­ pievious seasons to the ex­ tatives,. of the Ministry of Labour tent of 3 5 lakh bales Ministry ot Commerce and the Gov­ ernment of Tamil Nadu Karnataka O) Export of Bengal Deshi cotton Kerala and Andhr Pradesh soft cotton waste ind yellow pickings (4) Upwaid rewsion of stock limit?, Decline in Price of Raw Cotton for nulls

4149 SHRI CHITTA BASU* Will (5) Removal of the statutory, the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleas­ stipulation to consume 10 ed to tatc per cent man made fibre by Cotton textile mills (a) whether Government are aware (6) Imposition of import duty on of the fact that there has been of late viscose staple fibre and in­ decline of the price of the raw cotton crease m the excise dutj on in several cotton gro\nng states as indigenous staple fibre compared the price of last year and

(b) if so, full facts thereof and the Cotton Price Policy steps taken by Government to ensure the remunerative price for the grow­ 4150 SHRI A R BADRINARAYAN ers having relevance to the element Will the Mimst°i of INDUSTRY be of the cost of production of cotton’ pleased to state (a) whether there are reports that THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the cotton policy of the Union Gov­ MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI ernment is in complete mess and JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV) threatens to rum lakhs of cotton grow­ (a) Yes Sir ers jn the country, (b) the comfortable crop position (b) if so, how far these press reports has apparently induced industry not are true, to accumulate stocks and consequently there has been some decline in pur- (c) whether the prices of several ehismg activity leading tc cotton varieties of cotton hav« over the past prices remaining sluggish in the mar­ 12 months fallen by about 40 per cent ket The prices have been found to be those of cloth have paradoxically lower than the previous year but at enough shot up by about 15 per cent the same time they are well above the resulting m an estimated transfer of support price of cotton announced by about Rs 300 35 crores from the rural the Government based on the recom to the urban sector, meAdations of the Agricultural Prices (d) whether the cotton grower* Commission, which mter-alia has taken feel that m India they get the lowest Into account the cost of production pnee in comparison to the other With a view to enhance purchasing countries of the world for his produce; activity, the Cotton Corporation of India has intensified its purchases in (e) whether they have also pointed the States and has already procured out that Cotton Corporation of India more than 6 lakhs bale# In order seems to be playing an a n ti-g w w that market prices are not unremuner­ role; and 205 Written Answers FHALGUNA 30, 1000 (SAKA) Written Answers 206

(f) if so, what steps are being taken (6) Removal of the statutory stipu­ to help the cotton growers? lation to consume 10 per cent man-made fibre by cotton textile mills; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (7) Imposition of import duty on (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD viscose staple fibre and in­ YADAV): (a) and (b). It is not true crease m the* excise duty on that the cotton policy of Government indigenous staple fibre. is unsatisfactory.

(c) According to the Wholesale Expansion of Trade and Industrial Price Index, the fall in raw cotton Collaboration with Saudi Arabia prices has been m the range of 10 per cent and the rise m prices of cotton 4151. SIIRI DURGA CHAND. Will cloth (mill) is about 3 per cent during the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased the last 12 months. to state: (a) whether it is a fact that there (d) and (e). Since cotton trade in are proposals under consideration ot India is insulated from world market Government for expansion of trade forces, it would be difficult to com­ and industrial collaboration with pare the price realisation in Indie Saudi Arabia; with that elsewhere. It is not true that the Cotton Corporation is playing (b) if so, what are the details there­ an anti-grower rule, m fact, the ex­ of; panded role of Cotton Corporation of (c) whether it is fact that the India has enabled the Corporation to Saudi Arabia has expressed the desire subserve the interests of cotton to import Basmati rice, meat, poultry growers which would have been and vegetables on a continuing basis, otherwise further aggravated due to and low purchasing activity m the mar­ ket. (d) if so, what are the details there­ of? (f) The following steps have heen taken by Government to help the cot­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ton growers* MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI­ MATI ABHA MAITI): (a) to (d). (1) Enlargement of the role of During the visit of the Union Minister Cotton Corporation of India by of Industry to Saudi Arabia during directing it to purchase cotton January 1979 detailed discussions were for sale not only to mills in held with Saudi Government lead- the public sector, but also to ders for expansion of trade and indus­ mills in the private sector and trial cooperation between the two also to build up a buffer stack countries. Modalities were agreed to of cotton; for promoting Indo-Saudi joint ven­ (2) Upward revision of stock tures, participation ot Indian firms in limits for mills; Saudi Arbian projects in construction and industry, consultancy and equip­ (3) Decision not to import cotton ment supply, and electrification from abroad to the detriment schemes where the initiative taken by of indigenous cotton growers; BHEL in their ongoing project of (4)t Export at staple cotton to electrification at Wadi Jiran was com­ the extent of 3.5 lakh bales; mended. It was also agreed that Saudi Arabian delgations would visit India in (5) Export of Bengal Deshi cotton, order to get acquainted with the ex­ soft cotton waste and yel­ pertise, level of Indian technology, and low pickings; capability developed in India for under­ 207 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answers 208 taking projects in the spheres of con­ (b) whether according to the report struction and indutry. Several other this matka operator happens to be an important matters of economic co­ ordinary employee of the Western operation relating to oil supplies, Railway but possessing property and financing of agriculture, irrigation and cash disproportionate to his normal electricity projects in India and depu­ income; , tation of Indian personnel were a]so discussed. Interest was also expressed (c) whether the allegations made by the Saudi side for importing rice, in the report are true; and meat and vegetables from India. Action on the request is being taken. (d) if so, what action has been taken thereon? ffiro sinf * t THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 4152. o afto $ ti m n sw to r MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS *rtt^ qSt s w 1% : (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): (a) to (d ). The requisite information is be­ ( V ) f w f * f f a q ing collected and will be laid on the su rf m swqfrr m r o Table of the House as soon as possible.

( * ) ?ftWT $?ft *TT q*ITq qft fTWfrRRT it wT'(M *RTT wtflfl *rfwro if trm *Wt (sft wjqwft ■dti'Wi *i$fl «rrTr*T # qr fq» : t t n ) :(qQ % firer, g r tr m f? ) qVeftfqq; srrpff q? ?rmr w t | f*RT arRTT I I fapMd 3 W f*W f V 10 f j R V t 1 1977 S 15^57^^1979 jtfsra?r ffln r an f qq ^qqtq srfqqrq «rr 1 ?rq? qft wqfa # sfttrtfqq* srrw fin; *£t q f ? tt ?ft q f | 1 ^ tfk

(w) fafora^q # 1 q*1q * (sr) q% sfaftfro wxnffvt fewqir 9r r w f f ^mpr ^ r3rpfsnr fan?, snq* qr# qra «tt 5jfk T wm t bw one-up-manship” qrvrfNvt^ *rorc q r *ftaftfqq? ^ q tyfir f *r fa? tfa ftfq q ? 4153. SHRI P. K KODIYAN: Will % wtott qr, faqqft * vvrfW $t?fr 1 1 the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be lyinfavR sfflisTRW «nqR sqq^TT %rfsrf*w*r, pleased to state: 1969 ^ «RT»T?T 'TWtftT ^qw**rf 1 *rfNr, 1977 % 1 5 q r m f t, 1979 ^ (a) whether his attention has been (fq^ r fWT fw^rwr) 1951 q» drawn to a report in the Patriot dated sqtftsr 1 2 2 ^ f W r fw M * ^ ^ 1 the 1st February, 1979 under the cap­ tion “Matka Kings one-up-manship” OT>*r (fqqro w*i in which it has been stated that a 1951^ srt*? 5t ^rrft fqrq ®fWtfqq> Janata Party M.L.A. of Bombay has q;rsftrr, ftratqT^VTHTv, fart q!V arr% been threatened with physical liqui­ qnft qw , anrsr, qf^qtsnrr qrr wrvrr w sr _g»j S-- Jkf n r< -ts^ dation by a matka operator for hav­ w w t h t p w %, w w w q » f* q r e ing gone to the rescue of his voters T^VSPnc hTT HRnWIW* and to save him from the harassment jfMW im jmftw «nr ^sr” ❖ of the musclemen of this particular qRfin^viiqnm RTtw,sna 5* Vi S f f W i operator; 209 Written Answers FHALGUNA 30, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 210

sjfo' vmc#sr «f>rafm?r uncft FT % *£317 ft W | ?WT *5% W W 4 *«fw n ft f, wr: lwfcr, 1977% fcsrrf ? 7?r | 1 t»i?fr vt mnwfii % *fk l S ’STTfy, 1979 ?PF *IT*t tfaftfw wm ^ *r^ff % ^ f H*rw«rTt5nl?H?f5Rrm«w v ^’*rw fwfw «wfRT % hst t • it snrtf fim vt jrtt WTT WW *T#r I ^?rr^T sr^ftr «#

(sr) $f?r»jfafft =**t | trfr was hinted at in a paper read out at a rfr^TRFfft vrr & ? seminar held on the 17th-18th Feb­ ruary, 1979 at Delhi on Himalayan «fomw * nwr *wt (*ft «f«w wwr Geology; : (®p) ^1H«y *F ^•jyK ‘aft^dt (b) if so, whether Government have sferr »rhft, *4t srcft wrsr flV *ft ?Nw »rhsft $ .since made any study about it and fas? fafaw ««ir®iT*sr*f¥ 5f *ft miw *rf?r®ffa ’it propose to take any steps for its ex­ #, plorations; and («r) *rr^ ’tfpt: T vptt f?fF*pr” (c) if not, the reasons thereof? frrfa 2 6 -2 -1 9 7 9 *Pt pprr W

1970. After the stike was called off or the actual expenses, whichever is unconditionally, a series of discussions less. If it is by bus between two with the union leaders upto the level places not connected by rail but by of Union Labour Minister were held. a recognised public transport system, Certain concessions in house rent and the reimbursement would be limited n lumpsum payment as incentive to to the fare by the public transport bring back Unit-1 of the Station into system. If the journey is by taxi production were offered to the emplo­ between places not connected by rail yees in order to bring about a settle­ or recognised public transport sys­ ment. The union, however, rejected tem, the reimbursement would be at the offer. Negotiations are being held the rate of 75 paise per km. if the at various levels to resolve the labour taxi is hired in full, or the actual issues early. ‘ expenditure limited to 37$ paise per k.m. if the taxi is shared. L.T.C. Scheme (c) A Brochure on L.T.C. was issued 4161. SHRI ARJUN SINGH BHA- by the Ministry of Home Affairs. DORIA; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state: Promotional Avenues for group *D’ (Class IY) Officers (a) whether the Ministry has come across any instances of conflicting in­ 4162. SHRI V. G. HANDE: Will the terpretations being given to various Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be All India Leave Travel Concession pleased to state: rules by different departments; (a) whether it is a fact that the (b) how is the LTC entitlement of Cabinet Secretariat issued instructions an employee authorised to travel in to the various departments of Gov­ 1st Class to be calculated if he em­ ernment of India to create suitable ploys various modes of transport e.g. posts and assign clerical work equiva­ train, bus, taxi etc. to reach his desti­ lent to jobs assigned to Record Keep­ nation; and ers/Record Sorters, with a view to providing promotional avenues for (c) whether in view of the large stagnating Group 'D’ (Class IV) offi­ number of Government employees cers in pursuance of the recommen­ now eligible for LTC, Government dations of the Third Pay Commission; propose to issue comprehensive guide­ lines on the LTC scheme? (b) if so, whether it is a fact that THE MINISTER OF STATE IN some of the Departments, have not THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS implemented the scheme at all; AND IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (c) the number of such posts crea­ (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) No, Sir. ted in the Ministries etc. including the Department of Personnel; and (b) If the journey is performed by train, the reimbursement would be on (d) the number of Group *D (Class the basis of the fare by the shortest IV) Officers in these Departments direct route by the authorised class stagnating for more than three years or the fare by the class in which the at the stage of maximum of pay Government servant actually travel­ scales? led, whichever is less. If the journey is performed by bus between two THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Places connected by rail, the reim­ THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS bursement would be limited to AND IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, what would be admissable had he tra­ JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS velled by rail in the authorised class (SHRI S. D. P A U L ): (a) Yes, Sir. 215 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answers 2x6

(b) to (d) Since the cadres of News Item captioned 1000 Small Units Group *D’ posts are decentralised, the around Ranchi facing closure’ requisite information is not available m the Department of Personnel and 4184 SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU. A R However m the Department of Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be Personnel and A R , one post of Record pleased to state Keeper has been created m pursuance of the orders of 26th May, 1975 (a) whether as reported by ‘Busi­ ness Standard, Calcutta, dated January 22, 1979, nearly 30,000 workers are facing closure due to non-availability Memorandum for financing the pro­ of raw materials; ject of Alok Udyog Vanaspati and Plywood Ltd (b) if so, what are the facts there­ of, and 4163 SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU Will the Minister of INDUSTRY be (c) what steps, if any, are being pleased to state taken to save these small scale units?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN (a) whether the Minister has recei­ THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY ved a memorandum dated December (SFfRl JAGDAMBI PRASAD YA- 27, 1978 from West Bengal Forest DAV) (a) and (b) Government is Development Corporation, a State not aware of 1000 Small Units in and Government undertaking, on the sub­ around Ranchi reported to be facing ject of “Financing the project of Alok closure due to non-availability of raw Udyog Vanaspati and Plywood Ltd material However, it is aware of the a unit taken over pursuant to an order difficulties being faced by some of the of the Central Government under in­ units m getting their increased re­ dustries Development and Regulation quirements of some categories of Act, 1951; and steel items like sheets, plates, wire rods etc which are presently in short (b) if so, what action, if any has supply been taken on the same? Due to the recent spurt in domestic demand and availability being limi­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN ted, neither the large scale nor the THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY small scale units all over the country (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD YA- are having their full requirements met DAV) (a) Yes, Sir m respect of the scarce categoiy ma­ terials. (b) A reply was sent to the Gov­ ernment of West Bengal on 3rd Janu­ In Ranchi area temporary difficul­ ary, 1979 drawimg their attention to ties have also been faced by some the commitment made by that Govern­ units due to the non-availability of ment that they would shoulder the ad­ material on account of delay in the ministrative and financial responsibi­ transhipment of material from the lity for the future running of the Procurement Stockyards. undertaking and explaining to them that it would be difficult for the Cen­ (c) State Small Industries Corpora­ tral Government to extend budgetary tion which is primarily responsible support for running the undertaking for distributing new material to tine as requested by the State Govern­ small scale units in the State has ment been requested to open a Stockyard in 217 Written Answers FHALGUNA 30, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 21B

the Ranchi are® to facilitate supply of wy^WtRn ftrm rito^rrrftw material m the area At present Cor­ ww poration has no Stockyard at Ranchi 4166 «rt irwTim Steel Authority of India Ltd. is also setting apart a portion of the finw 5»?nf -scarce raw material available at thoir w r «fc*tto w rf m $ t m ^rrr# prr stockyard at Dhanfcad Bokaro and ^ f r Patna to service small units m Ranchi area to get over the present difficul (W ) m *TTT?T * ^9f ^ *IW - lies The small industries have been | asked to get their requirements as­ (m ) w r f f i w q ^FT aPT ¥

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Formula tor poorer States These States are Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Orissa, Ra­ 4168. SHRI A. ASOKARAJ: Will the jasthan and Uttar Pradesh. Besides, Minister of PLANNING be pleaded to the criterion of special problems tends state: to operate to the advantage of the poorer States. The IATP formula is (a) whether the National Develop­ also favourable to poorer States. ment Council at their meeting held in February, 1979 decided to accept the (c) The precise distribution of Cen­ View formula for favouring poorer tral assistance among the various States for the Sixth Plan; States is being woiked out. (b) if so, what basis was taken into Control in States on distribution of consideration to determine a State Cement “Poorer State” and the names of the States which have been so determined; 4169 SHRI P. RAJAGOPAL NAI- and DU: Will the Minister of INDUSTRY (c) the precise quantum of distribu­ be pleased to state: tion for the various states? (a) whether there are controls in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE different States on the distribution of MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI cement; PA2LUR RAHMAN): (a) In the meet­ (b) if so, the States m which the ing of the National Development controlj are operating; and Council held on February 24 and 25, 1879, it was decided that of the total (c) when the position of cement Central assistance available for the will ease? States for the next four years, Us. 1800 crores should be reserved for the TfHE MINISTER OF STATE JN THE special category Stales, Rs. 600 crores MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI for special problems of the States and JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV): (a) Rs. 4200 crores distributed among 14 Yes, Sir. non-special category States on the basis of the criteria laid down in the (b) The following States/Union Gadgil formula, except the one relat­ Territories have introduced public dis­ ing to special problems. Besides, an tribution of cement:— amount of approximately Rs. 2000 crores to be released over the next 4 years by certain modifications in the S. No. State* Centrally sponsored schemes will be distributed among the 14 non-special category States on the basis of Income I. Andhra Pradesh Adjusted Total Population (IATP) of each State, i.e. the inverse of per 2. Assam capita State's income multiplied by 3- Gujarat population. Further, additional Cen­ tral assistance is being given for hill 4- Karnataka and tribal areas, the programme of Kerala the North Eastern Council and exter­ 5- nally-aided schemes. 6. Maharashtra

(b) Under the Gadgil formula, 10 7- Meghalaya per cent of the amount is distributed 8. Nagaland on the basis of per capita incorfie, only to the States having per capita in­ 9- Rajasthan come below the national average. 225 Written Answers PHALGUNA SO, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 236

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(* ) jrf* fy, at *ns?rc srro x* ^ Tapping 0f uranium deposits in Bihar $ wt «prfcnft «?Tr stt rft fc ’ 4172 SHRI ISHWAR CHAUDHRY: n$ *rarow ?wr sow, fafa wtr ^wpft-wsnf Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENER­ GY be pleased to state »ramw % twn »«ft (wt q«* *V° «rrfe*r) («p) sft ? | ft, sftlTH, 1 fasj, (a) the steps Government have fa*mr fatar % trap ?m vr»- jnpre taken so far to tap uranium deposits m Bihar; vt fafa 3 qfwfa ^ fa^s f® * snvr ^ $ 1 (b) whether Government propose to set up an atomic plant at Jaduguda (w) «rtw $ *rro$ «kt ftnfa in view of availability of nuclear ^ ?nnt •PC ’Srf'WT faWTT HXfl minerals thereof; and * wnm:

THE PRIME MINISTER (SIIRI f¥ ^ tT^ Ifpiw 20,000 t MORARJI DESAI): (a) Various types vfm; ^ ft, t grrar srf^TTfe of surveys such as air-borne, jeep and ^ I I ■ ground surveys are carried out for locating uranium deposits which are (’?) !Tf 5nH+iO cRWTM yqxssr followed by detailed work such as sys­ tematic sampling, geological mapping, (^r) trot ^ drilling and finally, exploratory under­ ^ ^ 53TT3r T?: q->3r^q ^ Tft ground development are undertaken. f t^'f ^ ?T?ir HTET^ft 5RT Uranium occurrances have been lo­ ^fsr ^"t ^f^srw ?t 5ri I I f srsft^rq- cated in some areas of Bihar. Pre­ ^ ^?T H 247 f^lr ^"t ?ftiftf^ sently, uranium is being recovered & froST |HTr f^lTF W I I from the mines at Jaduguda. The ^ 101 ftr# ^?sft!T TM- possibility of opening one or two new ^ft^nrnrt ^ ^isrt^ ?n^ f t mines in Bihar is under examination srar^, |iT ^^t ^ 3fj=5^ TTM ^ of Government. ^ & f^rfw ^TT TT ?tT^ STRft "Tfefjr WFRT ^ 5 0% ^ ^ 'TTt ^ ^ T R - (b) and (c). No, Sir. Government ^ffHTcrr ^ ^ 3TRft I I does not consider it economically ad­ vantageous to set up atomic po-wer Regularisation of ad-hoc grade IV station in Bihar which has many coal ISS Appointments fields. 4174. SHRI RAJ KRISHNA DAWN: Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased to state:

4173. “Sft ^ (a) how many grade IV posts of fTT F^r: ISS are held by the departmental employees on ad-hoc basis against re­ gular vacancy for more than six M f Wtiff sftr^q- months; ^ |5T ^'JT ^ ?flTq- SJTTSr f® fwq-?r ; (b) whether it is a fact that subs­ tantial number of officers are holding {m) ft, 3t H 1977­ ad-hoc Grade IV ISS appointments 78 ^ TT feHT f%3TT as long as 7 to 8 years; and ^ TTf?r I fWT5T I fsRT T< I ff w I ; sfh: (c) if so, steps taken by the Gov­ ernment to regularise the ad-hoc ap­ ( it) ^ «TTTcT FWTX ^ pointments at the earliest? ^ ft^TFra' ?V a-"? " THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND trsraxr Sf Tts^r IN T(HE MINISTRY OF LAW, JUS­ TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS gW5 : {w) 3ft ^ff I mrcT ■HC'fi'iT jT (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) The num­ TtsnTR t % ftflT ?> #3r;TT^ ber of posts in Grade IV of the Indian 5^TTf f I XT5IT ^ JT5T 7 5ft Statistical Service held on an ad-hoc Trf^r !T>5r^ ^ !STsft^ ^ basis for more than six months is 151; 5r»TTt ^ Rw 5rra ^Tq ^ sFrfsiffr (b) Yes, Sir. ^irtfr''T/?ri ?r^t t f€«RT ^ ^ t ^ #'TTrg, xxftf ^ ^ (c) In accordance with the recruit­ fjrtr -?^5r ^'t ^ c ft I I ^ j f t ment rules, 75 per cent of regular va­ amr ifl^r^rr ^ sft ?rfw- cancies in Grade IV of ISS are to be ^simt ?rfTTt I ^ filled by direct recruitment and re­ sm srnralr &' ?ft str s^rnjr maining 25 per cent by promotion. ere ^ 7% ^ -^ w Steps have been initiated to fill the 229 Written Anwers PHALGtJNA 80, 1900 (SAKA) Written Anstiers 230

vacancies m Grade IV of the Indian Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe em­ Statistical Service falling m the pro­ ployees working m the Bhavan and motion quota in consultation with the the other has to be advertised A Union Public Service Commission The Scheduled Caste employee working in remaining vacancies, which are m the the Bhavan has been selected against direct recruitment quota, will be filled one of the posts and the other has by appointment by direct le c ru it- been advertised inviting applications ment from Scheduled Caste candidates only Supervisors in Khadi Gramodyog (c) No Sir The Khadi Bhavan has Bhavan, New Delhi been maintaining a roster m accord­ 4175 SHRI AMARSINH V ance with instruct ons issued by Min­ RATHAWA istry of Home Affairs from time to tim e SHRI RAMJI LAL SUMAN (d) Does not arise SHRi LALJI BHAI

Will the Mimslci ot INDUS 1 R Y be Seminar of Scientists to be held in pleased to state India in 1979

4176 SHRI G M BANATWALLA. ( i) the total number of Supervisors/ Incharges working m the Khadi SHRI SHANKERSINHJI Gramodyog Bhavan New Delhi, V A G H E L A SHRI FDU^RDO FALEIRO (b) whether it i,j a fact that no Scheduled Castes/Tribes have been SIIRI MUKHTIAR SINGH appointed as Supervisor/Inchaige in MALIK the whole Khadi Bhavan Establish­ ment Will the Minister of SCIFNCF AND TECHNOLOGY be please to st ite (c) whether it is also a fact that (a) whether a seminar of the top no reservations ore being made and most scientists of the world v,hioh wai no rosteis for this purpose are being maintained m Khadi Bhavan, New schc iuloi to be. held m Iik! a in 1979 Delhi, and to discuss India s science policy has since been cancelled by the Govern (d) if the answer to (b) and (c) is ment of India and negative, what steps Government will (b) if so the reacons thereof’ take so that the reserved posts are 1m mediately given to Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes? TH E P R 1* F M NI^IER (SxiRI M O R A R JI D 1 S A J (1) There was 110 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN TKF such proposal MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI (b) Does not ause JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV) (a) The number of Supervisors/Incharges working in the Khadi Gramodyog Cladding of Tribals/Sects Bhavan, New Delhi, at present, is 7. 4177 SHRI PURNANARAYAN SINHA Will the Minister of HOME (b) Two posts of Supervisow/Tn- AFFAIRS be pleased to state charges in the Khadi Gramodyog Bhavan, New Delhi, are reserved for (a) the particular tribes/sects ot Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe can­ India with their numbers and abodes didate* According to the rules, one Who are traditionally naked or semi- these posts is to be filled out of the naked due to belief or prejudice, 231 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answers

(b) what steps are being taken by Allocations In Second Tear of the the Government to clothe these tribes Sixth Plan in xespect of irrigation by removing the wrong beliefs and electricity superstitions from amongst them; and 417 D. SHRI DHARM V1R VAS1SHT: (c) what percentage of these naked/ Will the Minister ol PLANNING Le semi-naked tribes have been clad dur­ pleaded to state* ing the post-independence period till now? (a) the allocations (State-wise) in THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Second Year of the Sixth Plan in MINISTRY OF *IOME AFFAIRS respect of irrigation, electricity, roads (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): and industry (large, medium, small and (a) to (c). The Government has no cottage); information about the populations and abodes of paiticutar tribes/bncts who (b) the principles laid down in ap­ arc traditionally naKod due to wrt ng portioning allocations, and belief and buperstilions. There nay, (c) whether some State/States ob­ however, be a numbc of tribes who jected to or protested against State may be naked or semi naked purely allocations? because of circumstances and not due to religious belief or prejudice Infor­ THE PRIME MINISTEP (SHRI mation sought on such naked tubes/ MORARJI DESAI)- (a) to (c) Di«"us- sects as a whole cannot be given v.ith- sions with the States on their Annual out a comprehensive and pcicntific P’an 1970-80, the accord yoar of the study which will be time-conbiMimg Five Yp&r Plan 83, hav>? been and expensive. concluded. Investigation of cases of S/Shri R. P. Goenka and K. K. Birla State-wise ind Se2*nr-wiro outlays will be indicate-1 by the States m their 4178 SHRI MANOHAR LAL: respective budgets. SHRI R L. P VERMA: SHRI K LAKKAPPA: Hindi Training College at Tezpur Will the Minister of HOME AF­ FAIRS bo pleased to refer to icply 4183 SHRI PU K N ^AR AYAN given to Unstarred Question No 4161 SINHA- Wi’l the Munster of HOME- on the 10th August 1978 regarding fil­ AFFAIRS be pled sod to state: ing of chuigf' licet against Shn K K. Bala and others and state: (a) whether it is a fact that the Hindi Prashikshan Mahavidyalaya pre­ fa) whether the cases against Shri mises at Tezpur was handed over to R P Goenka and Shri K K Birla the Defence Forces for location of IV hav:* since been investigated and filed Corps Headquarters; with the Courts: and (h) if so, the present position of the (b) since Assam is a traditionally cases? non-Hindi area why the Defence Minis­ try have not been asked during the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE last 16 years to acquire another com­ MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND plex and hand it over to the Home IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, JUS­ Ministry for location of the Hindi TICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS Training College at Tezpur; and (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) and (b). In­ vestigation of the case in ques:ion (c) whether the Government feel it (Souvenir’s case) against S/Shri R. P. unnecessary to have Hindi Training Goenka and K. K. Birla is not yet Mahavidyalaya in Tezpur (AssaflO^ complete. area? 2 33 Written Answers PSHALGUNA 30, 1900 (S A K A ) Written Ansuxn 234

THE MINTS TEH OF STATE IN THE meeting held on February 24/25, 1979 MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS considered the who! i*^ue and took (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL): decisions on the determination of the (a) to (c) The Ministry of Home allocation ot Central Plan as istance Affairs have not set up Hindi Prashik- among the various States shan Mahavidyalava at Tezpur The position m this respect is being as­ Th* Committee did not make any certained from the Ministry of De­ specific suggestions regarding mobilisa- fence and the Mini try of Education tior oC rt*ources However «hc drift and Social Welfare, as well as the Plan estimates ot additicnil resource State Government of Assam The mobilisatic i of Rs 1»010 uoi •> Rs requisite mfoimation will be pieced i/000 crores ly the Centre rnd R& on the table of the House as early 4 000 crores by the States—were ac­ as possible cepted by the NDC The NDC also Deliberations of Sub-Committee of noted that loss of rc\oniie on account NDC of prohibition would have to be met from further rcsourc* ivob'l s'unn ly 4(181 SHRI DHA.RM VIR * VAS- the Centre and the States m the pro­ 1SHT Will the Minister of PLAN­ portions alre

(1979—8H) of the Plan Particulars (d> & (e) Information is being col* ol! the schemes to be continued as lected and will be laid on the table of Centrally sponsored and those to be the House transferred to State Plans are being worked out H.E.C. Production

Decision not to issue industrial licences 4185 SHRIMATI PARVATHl KRI- toj towns having populations of more SHNAN. Will the Minister of IN­ than five lakhs DUSTRY be pleased to state what was the production target for Heavy En­ 4184 SHRI DURGA CHAND Will gineering Corporation for the years the Minister of INDUSTRY be pleased 1976-77, 1977-78 and 1978-79 and ac­ to state tual production during these years? (a) whether Government have taken THE MINISTER O F STATE IN THE a decision that no industrial licences would be given for towns having a MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI­ population of more than five lakhs, MATI ABHA MAITI) The targets and the value of actual production (b) if so, what are the details during 1976-77, 1977-78 and 1978-79 thereof, were as follows (Rs in crores) (c) the number of towns with popu­ lation in each State which have been selected for giving licences during Production Actual the Sixth Plan, Year target foi production the year (d) whether industries in public sector in towns with population of less than 5 lakhs are proposed to be 1976-77 too 9a 64 set up during the Sixth Plan; and 1977.78 104 42 15

(e) if so, the names of towns in 1978-79 . 109 61 03 each State and the nature of the in­ dustries proposed to be set up in each, (\pril, 1978 to February year of the Sixth Plan? *979)

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Campaign against Vehicles emitting MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI Excessive Smoke in Delhi JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV) (a) Yes, Sir 4186 SHRI C. K JAFFBR SHARUST Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (b Paragraph 31 of the Statement be pleased to state: on Industrial Policy presented to Parliament in December, 1977 clarifies (a ) whether it is a fact that a num­ the policy in this regard. ber of Private and DTC vehicles are plying without caring for the smoke; (c) Industrial undertakings proposed to be set-up in areas outside the urban (b ) whether the Delhi traffic police area limits of cities with one million propose to intensify the campaign population and municipal limits of against vehicles emitting excessive towns having population of 5 lakht smoke; and and above according to 1971 Census are exempted from industrial licensing (c) whether some vehicles have abp subject to certain conditions. Appli­ been cheeked by the Traffic Polk* cations for setting up Industrial capa­ doting last six month* if so, tie » « r city in such area* w ill be eaoourage* fe# Of *upfa buses? 237 Written Answers FHALGUNA 30f 1900 (SAKA) Written Anwer* 238

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE many cases Board, of Trustees include MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS workers with record of devoted ser* AND IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, vice. JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI S. D. PATL): (a) Some of Referring of Changes against Sbri the private and DTC vehicle^ plying Kantt Desai to Chief Justice have been emitting excessive smoke. 4188 SHUI EDUAHDO FALEIRO: (b) Special drives are launched to Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS check the vehicles emitting excessive be pleased to state smoke The Transport authorities of neighbouring States have also been (a) whether Government have decid­ addressed by the police in the matter. ed to refer the charges of corruption made against Shn Kanti Desai and (c) ?740 vehicles including 13 D T C family members of Shn bus s "were checked and challaned to the Chief Justice of India; during the last six months. Separate figu»es for the other buses are not (b) if so, whether prior consent of readily available. the Chief Justice has been obtained in this regard,

Management of Khadi Gramodyog (c) urder which provision of law is Commission the Chief Justice to carry this exami­ nation; and 4187. SHRI C. K. JAFFER SHA- RIEF; Will the Minister of INDUS­ (d) the reasons for delay in taking TRY be pleased to state: such decision more than 9 months after the demand was made in Parliament? (a) whether Government propose to allow participation of workers in the management of the Khadi Gramo­ THE MINISTER O F STATE IN THE dyog Commission and its institutions; MINISTRY O F HOME AFFAIRS and AND IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (b) if so, by when a decision is (SHRI S. D. PATIL): (a) to (d). la !ikely to be taken in this regard? his statement made in Rajya Sabha on the 24th August, 1978, the Prime THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Minister stated inter alia “in thfl MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI event of any specific charges of cor- JAGDAMBI PRASAD YADAV)- (a) rupion in the context of the Resolu­ and (b). There is no such proposal tion being made to it in writing by under consideration of the Govern­ any Hon’ble Member since my Gov­ ment. The employees of the Khadi ernment took office, Government and Village Industries Commission are proposes to refer the same to the already playing an effective and Chief Justice of India for being exa* essential role in implementing policies mined by him.” and programmes of the Commission. The Institutions assisted by the Com­ The Chief Justice of India had given mission usually have a two-tier man­ his consent to this statement being agement te. white the ultimate autho­ made by the Prime Minister in the rity vests in the Board of Trustees of Rajya Sabha. an Institution, day-to-day management i® done by a Sanchalak Mandal which Since no specific charges of corrup­ generally Include workers. Workers tion in writing by any Hon’ble Mem­ also aitociated at various levels ber were received by the Government* of pcfSey malSng and day-to-day man- the question of making a reference did e* the lattitttttai* and la not arise. 239 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answers 240

The Government, however, subse­ preparation of Five-Year Plans within quently decided of its own to refer the the framework of the overall perspec­ debate on the Motion that was adopt­ tive. was brought to the attention of ed on the 10th August, 1978, in the the Government by the Irrigation Com­ Rajya Sabha to the Chief Justice of mission set up ip 1969; and by the India, with the request that he may Second and Third Conferences of State determine whether any prima facie Irrigation Ministers held in 1976 and case in respect of any of the charges 1977 respectively. After the Third referred to in the debate aforesaid, Conference of State Irrigation Minis­ which pertain to the period after the ters, the Government have requested present Government took charge in the State Governments to draw up a March 1977, was established so as to perspective plan for future develop­ justify a formal inquiry under the ment in their areas, immediately Commissions of Inquiry Act, 1952. identifying all projec+s which would have to be taken up for tapping the It may, however, be added that al­ available water resources, and to com­ though there is no specific provision plete the investigation within 3—5 " of law under wh'ich such inquiry may years. be made by the Chief Justice, there are earlier precedents of such inquiries Statement having been made. Main findings and recommendations of the Futurology Workshop on “Water Futurology Workshop held »n Madras Needs and Management—2000 A.D.’' organised by the Institute of Techno- 4189 SHRI P. V. PERIASAM Y: Will Econcmic Studies, Madras during Feb­ the Minister of SCIENCE AND TECH­ ruary 6-10, 1979; NOLOGY be pleased to state: 1. Data Base—The Workshop recom­ (a) the principal conclusions of the mends the improvement and enlarge­ Futurology Workshop held in Madras ment of the existing network for from February 6 to February 11, regular and systematic collection of was sponsored by the Department of Hydrometeorological, Hydrological and ^ Science and Technology in collabora­ Hydrogeological Data; and also re­ tion with the Institute of Techno- commends collection of economic and , Economic Studies; and social data pertinent to water re­ sources development and management. (b) the action initiated in preparing a perspective plan for tackling the 2. Institutes for water studies—Work­ problems of the country? shop welc-omes the establishment of the Institute of Water Studies by ' THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI the Government of Tamil Nadu; and MORARJI DESAI): (a) The princi­ urges that the Institute becomes the pal findings and recommendations of focal point for the spectrum of water the Futurology Workshop on “Water subjects of relevance to the State. Needs and Management—200 A.D.” or­ Consideration must be given to the ganised by the Institute of Techno- establishment of similar institutes for Economic Studies, Madras during Water Studies in other States, if they February 6—ID, 1979 are given in the do not already exist. Cooperation and attached statement. exchange of information and data with other water institutes must be pro­ (b) Even prior to the holding of the moted. above Workshop, the need for planned development of our water resources, 3. Water use arid. Efficiency— The and preparation of a perspective plan Workshop believed that high priority for exploitation of the entire water must be given to save the water that potential for optimum benefits, and is wasted. The results of the present 241 Written Answers PHALGUNA 30, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 242

water-use technology must be disse­ appropriate technology both in secur­ minated to water-users effectively. The ing water supplies and in applying,, Workshop noted that structural mea­ water to various uses and suggested sures such as simple improvements in necessary action to make progress on canals and distribution systems, and this front. also the range of non-structural mea­ sures such as stipulated periods ol 8. Water Management Tools— The withdrawal of water, better optimum Workshop recommended use of follow­ planning of cropping pattern, dry far­ ing water management tools for im­ ming etc. must be considered. Work­ provement of water management; shop encouraged the establishment of (a) Water legislation; revie>vving norms for various uses, which could existing water rights. help to popuiaries the water with­ drawal needed for efficient use. The (b^ Administrative mechanisms tn ^Workshop recommended the establish­ achieve effective coordination- ment of hierarchy of water by quality, and optimum planning; de­ S -xhat when uses could be met by velopment and management water of inferior quality, better qua­ by Bodies such as River lity might be saved. Boards and National Water Resources Council be estab­ 4. Inter Basin Transfers— The W ork lished. shop believed that water must be de­ clared a national resource without any (c) Consideration of desirability of further delay; and concurrently, plans applying low price to economi­ must be initiated to link rivers in the cal use and other incentives; first instance. The workshop urged penalties for excessive with­ the formulation of a National water drawal; rationing by time or policy, which shouid give priority atten­ quantity, etc. tion to transfer of water to drought and scarcity areas as and when neces­ (d'< Formulation of project plan­ sary. ning based on benefit-cost ratio.

5. Community water supply— Con- 9. Water quality and Environmental ’ terted measures for water supply and Considerations—The Workshop urged waste disposal must rank high in the preservation of water quality as mea­ national plan. Workshop recommend­ sure of conservation; and suggested ed launching of mid-term and long­ that action must be taken to prevent term plans to provide increased and pollution, and careful location of in­ better distribution of water supply and dustries from this point of view. waste disposal systems to deal with The Workshop urged that environment­ the growing urban problem which may al considerations and criteria must be aggravated by 2000 A.D. • become integral in water resources 6. Management of Water Demand— planning and development. The Workshop believed that water needs by 2000 A.D., and beyond, must 10. Preparedness to meet Natural Hazards—The Workshop noted that be established by the type of use and quality needed, in order to match the preparedness to meet natural hazards such as floods, droughts etc. must be demand with ^available supplies. The Workshop believed that demand for established on a permanent footing. water for different purposes should be estimated as part of perspective plan­ 11. Afforestation—The Workshop be­ ning and must be managed in a co­ lieved that massive afforestation would ordinated fashion. be conducive to improve water man­ agement practices. . 7. Application of Technology— The Workshop noted that there is consider­ 12. Public Participation in Water able scope for adopting and applying Management—The Workshop believed 243 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1979 Written Answers 244 that water resources management at to agricultural development so that the field level should give a prominent both production and productivity in place to the participation of users. this sector is raised and the income and consumption standards of the peo­ Population Dependent on Land ple depending on it can be significant­ ly improved However, in the near 4190 SHRI CHHITUBHAI GAM1T: future the scop for the transfer of Will the Minister of PLANNING be surplus manpower from agriculture pleased to state: to non-agricultural pursuits is likely to remain somewhat limited (a) the percentage of population de­ pendent on land in India at the begin­ Incentives to attract industries to ning of the First Five Year Plan and Backward Areas at the e»d of the Fourth Five Year Plan, and 4191. SHRI P. M. SAYEED: Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleas­ (b) whether the Planning Commis­ ed to state: sion has formulate^ any plans t0 re­ duce the pressure on land in the Sixth (a) whether it is a fact that Plan­ Five Year Plan? ning Commission has asked the State Governments to slaw down their THE MINISTER OF STATE IN schemes of giving incentives to attract THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING industries to backward areas; (SHRI FAZLUR RAHMAN): (a) (b) if so, the main reasons for the Estimates of the number of persons same; dependent on Agriculture can be de­ rived from the decennial Census. (c) whether some State Govern­ From this information a comparison ments had not obeyed to this, and over time is passible only for the (d) whether in some States this in­ number of persons engaged in agri­ centive had improved the state and cultural work expressed as a percent­ people in backward areas to the age of the total number of persons greater extent’ employed in some economic activity. On this basis, the percentage of the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN number of persons engaged in agri­ THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING cultural and allied activities went up (SHRI FAZLUR RAHMAN): (a) from 72.8 per cent in 1951 to 73.8 No. Sir. per cent in 1971. (b) and (c). Do not arise. (b) The pattern of investment and production visualised in the Sixth (d) No study in this rgard has so Plan period will result in an annual far been made. A National Committee rate of growth of employment of 4.22 on Backward Areas has been set up per cent per annum in agriculture and which inter-alia will be review the allied service's, 8.4 per cent in mining, working of the scheme and indicate 6.83 per cent in manufacturing and the relative advantages accruing from 6.77 per cent in others. This means the scheme to different States. It some reduction in the percentage of may, however, be mentioned that a population dependent on agriculture. sum of Rs. 54.17 crores has been re­ In absolute terms, 22.8 million addi­ imbursed under Central Capital Sub­ tional persons years of employment sidy Scheme to State Governments will be created m agriculture and during the period 1-10-72 to 28-2-70. allied secta^s and 26 5 million persons A statement showing the total num­ years in mining, mantifa* turing and ber of units which received subsidy other services. The development under this scheme and the «mount of 'strategy proposed for the next plan investment made by them ** •gegfe to aocor the highest priority 30-6-78 is annexed. 524 W rttte* Answers PHALGUNA $0, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 246

Statement Total number of units to whom the subsidy was given and total amount qf investments made by them as on 30-6-1968.

Total Total Total

?gs Name of the StatefUnion Territory No. o f amount amount units of invest­ o f subsidy granted ment ( Rs. granted by investment in lakhs) the States Subsidy (Rs. in lakhO 1 1 1 I 2 3 4 *>

1 Andhra Pradrsh ... 965 ‘ rj.053'79 646*32 3 A s s a m ...... 253 1.838-55 14^*83 3 B i h a r ...... 1.3*3 1,587-00 131*72 4 Gujarat . . . . 1,054 5*739-55 713*03

5 H a r y a n a ...... 112 1,236*80 159"44 6 Himachal P ra d e s h ...... 5*5 2, 4.82*25 327-o7 7 Jammu & Kashmir* .... . , .

aKarnataka .... 377 % 695 -78 350- 58 9Kerala . . . 883 3. 155-86 278* 06

10 Madhya Pradesh ..... 473 4,036-75 438*636 11 Maharashtraa...... 535 8,827*88 585*71 12 Manipur ...... 5 10 00 *3 Meghalaya ...... 73 a»3 33 25-67 *4 N a g a l a n d ...... 736 918*76 61*30 *5 O r i s s a ...... 335 1.347-78 *09*57 *6 P u n ja b ...... 49i N.A. 190*64

17 R a j a s t h a n ...... 523 3,i«a 97 247*39 *8 S ik k im ...... 11 8*92 i *33 *9 Tamil N a d u ...... 921 11,578*83 1*165* 5* 20 37* *55 1*6.90 21 Uttar Pradesh...... 211 a,3i9-42 198-94

■as West B e n g a l...... 277 1,887-87 a* 5 *13 a * Andaman & Nicobar Islands 10 9-82 0*36 ■94 Atunachal P radesh ...... 1 N.A. 9*19 I 1 ** 10 59*44 8-36 *6 Goa* Daman ft Diu .... *57 1.933*5* 155*70 takshad w e e p ^ ...... ~ *8 Mizoram4 ...... — * 9 P o n d ic h e rry ...... t?7 § ° 7' 92 5***3

T q tai, . to,808 70, 999*33 6,2} 1 *7i€

do not include the figures relating to J&K an4 Mboram a* these State Gaverniawtta baVe not fturrirfxri the dita. 247 Written Answers MARCH 21, 1079 Written Answer*

Development of Andaman, Nicobar & indicated in the Annual Plans of these Lakshadweep Union Territories for 1979-80.

4192. SHRI P. M. SAYEED: The approved oufl'ay for 1978-7® for the Territories are as under: — SHRI R. V SWAMINATHAN: (Rs. lakhs) Will the Minister of pi ANNING be pleabcd to latt’: Andaman & Nicobar Islands 1056.75 (*) whether the Prime Minister has Lakshadweep 243 64 stressed the need for developing Andamans, iNicotar and Lafc&ha- (d) The Five Year Plans of these dweep; Union Territories have not yet been finalised. (b ) if so, whether any suggestions for their improvement have been Visit of Soviet Scientist Team to made b y him; India

(c) programmes and schemes being 4193. SHRI P. M. SAYEED: worked out tor implementation during SHRI NIHAR LASKAR: the cuirent financial year; and Will the Minister of SCIENCE AND (d) whether special schcmes m its TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: development are being considered for the Sixth Five Year Plan? (a) whether four member Soviet Scientist team visited India in the 3rd THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRr week of February, 1979; MORARJI DESAI): (a) & (b). In (b) if so, what was the main pur­ the course of the Prime Minister’s pose of their visit; recent visit to the Andaman & Nicobar Islands and Lakshadweep, he observ­ (c) what tfrere the subject discus­ ed that Andaman & Nicobar Islands sed; and had considerable potential for the development of timber forests and (d) whether any agreement has certain types °f plantation crops, such been reached? as, cloves, cardamom, paper etc, and in Lakshadweep there was scope for THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI expanding the fishing industry; the MORARJI DESAI); (a) Three in­ people could also develop their native formation Scientists from USSR visit­ skills in utilising the plentiful supply ed India from 19th to 28th February, of coconuts and enriching their agri­ 1979. culture by resorting to inter-cropping in coconut plantations. (b) & (c). The purpose of the visit was to identify specific areas (c) In the? preparation of the Plans and means of cooperation between for Andaman & Nicobar Islands and India and USSR in the Add of Infor­ Lakshadweep, relevant factors such as mation Science's. Discussions were their geographical situation, the pre­ held with officials and scientists in sent stage of development and the India covering exchange of scientific potential for encouraging the economic and technical information and docu­ activities indicated by the Prime mentation, exchange of specialists, Minister are being kept in view. training of information scientists, or­ ganisation of joint seminars and The details of the programme/ workshops, inter-library loans, ex­ schemes which are being implement­ change of data bases and software ed during the current year will be packages and sharing of experience 249 ‘Written Answers PHALGUNA 30, 1900 (SAKA) Written Answers 250

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12-10 hrs. ugffeJ- MR. SPEAKER: No, no, Mr. Ravi. That is not a point of order. Order please. Mr. Fernandes now. PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE

Annual Report of CSIR f o r 1977-78 Imported Cement Control (Sixth and Audit Report thereof for 1976-77 Amendment) Order, 1978

THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRY THE PRIME MINISTER (SHRI (SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES): Sir, MORARJI DESAI): I beg to lay on I beg to lay on the Table a copy of the Table: — Imported Cement Control (Sixth Amendment) Order, 1978 (Hindi and (1) A copy of the Annual Report (Hindi and English versions) of the English versions) published in Noti­ fication No. S.O 749(E) in Gazette of Council of Scientific and Industrial India dated the 30th December, 1978, Rosci'-h, New Delhi, for the year 1977-78 under sub-section (6) of section 3 of the Essential Commodities Act, (2) A copy of the Audit Report 1955 fPlaced in Library. S^e No. LT- (Hindi and English versions) on the 4118/79 ] accounts of the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research, New Delhi, Annual Report of Richardson for the year 1976-77, and Cruddas (1972) Ltd., Bombay, |Placed in Library. See No. LT- 1977-78 and of Hindustan Photo 4fjl7/79 ] Films Manufacturing Co., Ltd., Indunagar-Ootacamund, for 1977-78.

Sl^Rl VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- kil)j Mr Speaker, Sii, I rise on a THE MINISTER OF STATE IN poi»jfl of order. THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY (SHRI JAGDAMBT PRASAD YAD AV): On behalf of Kumari MU SP E A K FR : You f,'avc* not Riven Abha MaiU, I beg to lav on the .notice Table: —

i SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: This is (1) A copv eti”h of the* following t’ti a point of order, Sir You have papers (Hindi and Enclub versions'1 Rule 372 There is a]«o Rulr> 374B. It under sub-section (1) of section comes in between.. It is a very impor­ 619A of the Companies Act, 19f>6-—> tant point, Sir. You have got sub­ missions to be made by Members (fc) ( 1' Review to i’-if Govern­ under Rule 377 Members have a ment on the working of the right to draw attention of the Gov­ Richardson and Cruddas (1972) ernment to certain important matters. Limited, Bombay, for the year Thiq i«. a serious matter about which 1977-78. I wish to mention. I have received so many telephone calls yesterday. (ii) Annual Report of the Richardson and Cruddas (1972) Limited, Bombay, for the year MR. SPEAKER: There is no point 1977-78 along with the Audit­ }<* order. ed Accounts and the comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: It is a thereon. .JJy important matter. The hon. grime Minister is here. It is regarding [Placed in Library. See No. LT- ... (Interruptions) 4119/79.] 255 Papers Laid MARCH 21, 1979 Papers Laid 756

(b) (i) Review by the Govern­ SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU: You, ment on the working of the in your wisdom, have made several Hindustan Photo Films Manufac­ observations and have given directions turing Company Limited, Induna- in the past. But yet this is happen­ gar—Ootacamund, for the year ing, and you are sitting as a silent 1977-78. spectator. That is my charge against you.

(ii) Annual Report of the MR. SPEAKER: Order please. I Hindustan Photo Films Manufac­ have already told you There are turing Company Limited, Induna- certain rules on the subject. If they gar-Ootacamund, for the year don’t obey, I can send it to the com­ 1977-78 along with the Audited mittee. Accounts and the comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General N otifications under A ll India thereon. S ervices A c t . TPJacrd in Library. See No. LT- 4120/79.] THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN THE MINISTRY OF LAW, Annual Report etc. of Coal Board, JUSTICE AND COMPANY AFFAIRS Calcutta for 1974-75 (SHRI S. D. PATIL): I beg to lay on the Tablo a copy each of the fol­ lowing Notification? (Hindi and Eng­ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN lish versions) under sub-section (£) THE MINISTRY OF LABOUR AND of section 3 of the All India Service^ PARLIAMENTARY AFFAIRS (SHRI Act, 1951: LARANG SAT): On behalf of Shri , I beg to lay on the O) The Indian Police Service Table a copy of the Annual Report (P9V,> Fi’ st Amendment Rules 1 979. (Hindi and English versions of the publishpd in Notification No G S.K? coil Board Cp’cultu, for the year 328 m Gazette of India dated the 1974-75 together with Certified 3id March, 1979. Account*; f Plared in Library. See No. LT-4121/79] C2) The All India Services (Leove) Second Amendment Rules, SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Dia­ 3979. published in Notification No. mond Haibonr): Sir, have you noticed GS.R 360 in Gazette of India dated item No 6 and what it savs? The the 10th March, 1979. Notification regarding item No. 6 has been laid on the Table just now. Do (3) The Indian Police Service you know what it says? It says: (Fixation of Cadre Strength) First Amendment Regulation 1979, ‘Copy of the Annual Report published in Notification No. G.S.R. (Hindi and English versions) of the 369 in Gazette of India dated the Coal Board, Calcutta, for the year, 10th March, 1979. 1974-75, together with Certified Accounts'. (4) The Indian Police Service Now. Sir, why should there be so (Pay) Second Amendment Rules, much delay? What year are we pass­ 1979, published in Notification No. ing through now? G.S.R. 370 in Gazette of India dated the 10th March, 1979. MR. JSPEAKER: I can only send it [Placed in Library. See No. LT- to the Committee. 4122/79.] 257 Papers Laid PH ALG U NA *0, 1900 (SAKA) Papers Laid 258

A nnual Report etc. or N a tio n a l Audit Report thereon under sub­ Industrial Developmkn r Corporation section (4) of section 17 of the Coir Jute Manufacturers Development Industry Act, 1953. Council, Calcutta for 1977-78, A u d it Report etc. or Cora Board for 1977-78, (4) A copy of the Review (Hindi Notification re duty of excise to be and English versions) on the COLLECTED As A Ci.S., r’OR PURPOSES OF accounts of the Coir Board, Erna- Indutoxes (Dvevlopment and Regu­ kulam, for the year 1977-78. lation) act and Jute (Licensing and Control) (Amdt.) Order, 1979 (5) a statement (Hindi and Eng­ lish versions) showing reasons for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN delay in laying tlie Accounts of the THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRY Coir Board, Ernakulam, for the (SHRI JAGDAMBI PRASAD year 1977-78. YAD AV): I beg to lay on the Table— fPlaced in Library. See No. LT- (1) A copy each of the follow­ 4125/79.] ing papers (Hindi and English ver­ sions) under sub-section (1) of (6) A copy of the Notification section 619A of the Companies Act, No. S.O. 111(E) (Hindi and English 1956:- versions) published in Gazette of India dated the 26th February, 1979 (i) Review by the Government specifying the classes of goods manufactured or produced wholly on the working of the National or in part of jute in the scheduled Industrial Development Corpora­ tion Limited, New Delhi, for the industry of textiles on which duty of excise shall be levied and collect­ year 1977-78. ed as a cess for the purposes of (ii) Annual Report of the Industries (Development and Regu­ National Industrial Development lation) Act, 1951 and the rates of Corporation Limited, New Delhi, excise per tonne, issued under sec­ for the year 1977-78 along with tion 9 of the said Act. \Placed in the Audited Accounts and the Library. See No. LT-4126/79.1 comments of the Comptroller and Auditor General thereon. (7) A copy of the Jute (Licensing \Placed in Library. See No. LT- and Control) (Amendment) Order, 1123/79.] 1979 (Hindi ®nd English versions) published in Notification No. S.O. 102(E) in Gazette of India dated the (2) (i) A copy of the Annual 20th February, 1979, under sub­ Report (Hindi and English ver­ section (6) of section 3 of the sions) of the Jute Manufacturers Essential Commodities Act, 1955. Development Council, Calcutta, for rPlaced in Library. See No. LT- the year 1977-78 under sub-section 4127/79.] (4) of section 7 of the Industrial (Development and Regulation) Act, 1951. N otifications under C en tr a l E x c is e s (ii) A statement (Hindi and Eng­ a n d S a l t A c t, under C en tr al E x c is e lish versions) showing reasons for R u l e s a n d under C u s t o m s A c t . delay in laying the above Report [Placed in Library. See No. LT- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN 4124/79J THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI ZULFIQUARULLAH): I beg to lay (3) A copy of the Certified on the Table— Accounts (Hindi and English ver­ sions) of the Coir Board, Erna- (1 )A copy each of the following Kulam, for the year 1977-78 and the Notifications (Hindi and English 259 Petition presented MARCH 21, 1979 JSt, re, condition of 260 Shri Jayaprakash Narayan versions) under section 38 of the SHRI P. K. KODIYAN (Adoor): Centra] Excises and Salt Act, 1944: Sir, I beg to present a petition signed by Shri G. Yellamanda Reddy, Presi­ dent, Bharatiya Khet Mazdoor Union and others regarding grievances and (i) The Central Excise (Third demands of agricultural workers. Amendment) Rules, 1979, pub­ lished in Notification No. G.S.R. 86 . m normal and va* «l«w i*. 60 beats p.m. due MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Minister to «nus bradycardia. has already said that he joins the hon. Members of the House in pray­ ing for the quick recovery of Shri sifte d t ^^tensive Care Unit he because was Narayan. So>, he is conveying the c*rdiac arrest. Ife was revived good wishes of the House. 2^3 Election to Comm. MARCH 21, 1979 Matters under Rule 377 264.*

1&20 bis. 12.23 his.

MATTERS UNDER RULE 377 ELECTION TO COMMITTEE (1) M a p pu blish ed i n “ T h e N e w Book of Knowledge”, Vol. HI, C o m m it t e e o n O f f ic ia l L anguage BY A PUBLISHER GROWER INC.* N e w Y o r k .

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN MR. SPEAKER: Now m atters THE MINISTRY OF HOME AF­ under rule 377. FAIRS (SHBS DHANIK LAL MANDAL): I beg to move: SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- kil): rose “That in pursuance of sub-sec­ (Interruptions)** tion (2) of Section 4 of the Official Languages Act, 1963 the members MR. SPEAKER: Don’t record any­ of Lok Sabha do proceed to elect, thing eise. Mr. Ravi is making an in accordance with the system of important statement. proportional representation by (Interruptions) * * mean* of thie Single transferable vote, one member from amongst MR. SPEAKER: It is not being themselves to be a member of the recorded. Mr. Vayalar Ravi. Committee on Official Language vice Shri Charan Singh resigned from the Committee.’* SHRI VAYALAR RAVI (Chirayin- kil): Sir, under Rule 377, I wi&h to iai e the following matter: MR. SPEAKER: Motion moved: I rise to draw the attention of this “That in pursuance of sub-sec­ august House and the Government tion (2) ot Section 4 of the Official to deliberate mischief and insult Languages Act, 1963, the members done against our great nation by an of Lok Sabha do proceed to elect, important publication company, in accordance with the system of Grolier Inc. in New York. In the proportional representation by 1977th edition of their book “The means of thle jingle transferable New Book of Knowledge" Volume vote, one member from amongst 3, p. 260 they depict a map of China themselves to be a member of the with the nation's name printed over Committee on Official Language a map of India. The picture also vicc Shri Charan Singh resigned shows a Chinese mother and child from the Committee.” and a Chinese building appears on the Indian map. Beside the picture The motion was adopted. appears the word ‘Peking’. The place Paking has been shown some** MR. SPEAKER: Now matters where in the region of Srikakulam under rule 377. in Andhra Pradesh where the N«xa- lites' activities are still continuing. SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola): Sir, what about the reply from the Home Minister to my matter under This map is mischievous to show rule 377 put earlier, on the Trikha Sikkim as a separate country. So. Commission? there i* every reason to believe that this publishing company has become a grow-lier. ‘India Abroad* weekly- MR. SPEAKER: I have already carried this picture; and I am placing written to him, and X will get a reply, it on the Table, with yotir permis­ but not here. sion. ••Not recorded. 365 Motors under PHALGUNA 30, 1800 (SAKA) r**le 377 266

I take strong objection to the mis­ and coveted Nobel Prize. It is high­ chief done against our nation and ly damaging to the nation to say demand Government of India to take that “We have only pseudo-science immediate steps to undo the mis­ and we are capable only of duplica­ chief. tion.” While our great scientists have put India on the world map of atom- mic power. MR. SPEAKER: It will be exa­ mined. Above all, India has a unique place in the entire Asia in the field <11) O p ln hfart surgery in A l l - of Cardio-thoracic surgery and our Jndi\ Insiitute o f Medical Sciences standard now in open heart sur­ gery is m no way inferior to any of SHRI KUSUMA KRISHNA MUR- the systems available in any of the THY < Amalapuram): Sir, under rule advanced Western countries. Thou­ 377, I wish to ralise the following sands of patients come to AHMS matter; every day for specialized treatment m open-heert surgery and AIIMS is I wish to draw the special atten­ unable to cope up with the heavy tion oi this House to an important demand with the available resources. matter relating to an urgent policy It is the results which encourage the mutter of national .significance. patients from all over the country to come for the advanced treatment The assertion that India did not available here. In fact, during the need to provide the facilities for last one decade, our AIJMS has done open heart '■urgery has caused un- commendable service in various fields believeable surptibe to me in the pre­ of advanced medical treatment and vent context of fast growing heart more particularly in open heart sur­ diseases m our country This is a gery and thereby our AIIMS has matter ot absolute national signi­ occupied a supremely significant ficance, involving public urgency, place in the world of advanced medi- twd this assertion must have .sur- t*ol treatment and surgery. prised every progressive mind in our country, not to speak of our dedicat­ In this context, instead of making ed scientists. further vigorous efforts to strengthen this branch of open heart surgery, The m>wa item under the caption it is really very unfortunate for the •AI1MS needs thorough clean-up* in Director of AIIMS to say that India the ‘' on March 13, did not need to provide the facilities 1979 is full of contradictions while for open-heart surgery, clearly im­ causing a lot of misgivings on our plying that the existence of this national policies, especially those re­ opportunity for the public, was a lating to medicine and health. It is total waste in the past, and would quite appreciable to stress on a be of no use in the future at the thorough clean-up in the administra­ AIIMS. tion and also for a greater health budget of 7 per cent from the exist­ (iii) R eported a g it a t io n b y p r im a r y ing 2 per cent of our present national SCHOOL TEACHERS OF DELHI TO Budget; but it is quite unfortunate PRESS THEIR DEMANDS. that the Director of our country’s premier medical institution, namely, •ft RWWI Wmt WW ) : the All India Institute of Medical mam mftor, ♦ f3w*r 377 ^ Sciences to believe and speak that idSrsmrfhr v t wrr if "We have no science except political spp$nr t o t if 1 rmwrft $ v f fintf science”, while our scientists prove & fifNFt $ Jmprft to «w»rr to be highly dedicated and .capable of if trc*rr, fa ftf o r t f k afaw winning even the4 most prestigeousf f t * m

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(iv) Function organised in honour •ft tw sntnm (tr *r^ft) . of the Soviet Prime Minister |JTI^ f 1® VJKorr^o^o % f*w p r spt »fra under auspices or Indo-Soviet w* «Ft t| f 1 Cultural Society. w«wi n^w : «rf arm tSsfc * *!fr « to Tro*t faf ( w ^ ) warerqfrs*, 3 ftw 377 V WH1*I 4^1*4 ehv (1 *W? $ f w r apt ^ ^F^er sft tw itncnm : ^hr’T, * wtt ^ STPJ^ ^TOTT f ^ I jw r* qt !Rvrsr t T i v f t f a v T * n n r «ptt f i m *nrr i i o «nsft?T A PfWT ^T TfT f t «ptwnftfira %* t f f a m * * « & *rrr :3RT wft % vftfv *n*ft wro STHR *T$ft $ SUW «ft TT^IT TT* tftK m%* grt #t# f , srm f»nfr s*rPr zs % «ft JffltT WIcT fa f 5T qnpjfarar *?t WSRTT fw fvrfhr ^ 1 ?i$r # arr* ^ mr* ^ tvr «i?t tfhr »refaT «ft sfk fsfarr *nsfr Tf ’ff f JWTT V t 1T ^ V C T I Tf*$ *1 % ^rr m r | (wnsram) i *frPpr*rR *rr >p w » ?w t ?rr*r j{t ? rw wr * 3 9 ft | fv i»^w*r tfa mrnrn * w r m ^»r *pt ift «w fvnrv 1 1 «P^m 11 f s ^ m f qf* «nrw * trt^RRT

ji^ p *rw# «rr «n»fr»ftfir •ft fW f W l i : ^Vl*f qrr VRUV WT Twiror *rw t t itrwrtr 11 « h h $ ? Ip rrtt arrrft 19^ «ir | «fta ^ f** wwf «fr |i at qstft vr€t ippvc if f ? flrowwf * ^ r ipftv ^ H w h t ) 2 * 9 mmfwrnBuie*, PttALGttW A, 80, 1900 (SAKA) G*»l. Dis. D.O. ?r?r ^ *t$ fa?r3r wst r w*rr, srV7- *tt ft? ^ fr gtp1* *tt sr?r*r ?fr i ^ *rr»r*r % fa fa**r *r^t, If the Hou'e agrees, two hours may srOTT insft sffr ?ft*fT % *r*rcr *trtt be allotted for discussion of these qr faftra unrsft ^ snfm f w f \ fatff # items as suggested by the Govem- trd-tjr^r *fst t srk fa*ft % wm«r ^ £ men|t I suppose the House will s^rfon 5 M * vnr «ft?rr $ fa *rm ^ agree. ^TPR S’W *T*«F*3 *r vv tpt Hffr ^TRTT SW W fWrfacT I I («mww) I HON. MEMBERS: Yes. (Interruptions) MR SPEAKER: Motion moved: ME SPEAKER: Don’t record. ‘That the respective sums not (Interruptions)•• exceeding the amounts on Revenue Account and Capital Account shown in the third column of the Order Paper, be granted to the President out of the Consolidated Fund of 12.33 hrs. the Union Territory of Mizoram, on account, for or towards defray­ tylZORAM BUDGET, 1979-80— ing the chargies during the year GENERAL DISCUSSION, DEMANDS ending on the 31st day of March, FOR GRANTS ON ACCOUNT 1980, in respect of the heads of (MIZORAM), 1979-80, AND SUP­ demands entered in the second PLEMENTARY DEMANDS FOR column thereof against Demands GRANTS (MIZORAM), 1970-79 Nos. 1 to 41.” Demands for Grants on Account (Union Territories of M tZoram ) for 1979-50 submitted to the vote of Lok Sabha.

No. ot Name of Demand Amount of Demand for Grant Demand on Account Submitted to the vote of the House.

Revenue Capital Rs. Rs 1 • Legislative Assembly 5.35.000

2. Administrator . 27.000

3- Council of Ministers . 2.40.000 4- Administration of Justicc 4.66.000

**Not recorded 271 Mizoram Budget, G tn l MARCEL 21, 1079 Dit., D.O. on Account 272 (Mizoram), 79-80 and DJS.O, (MizOram), 78-79

» 2 3

Revenue Capital Rs. Rs.

5- E le c tio n s...... 4.04,000 ••

6. R e v e n u e ...... 13.96,000 ••

r 63,000 •*

8. Secretariat ...... 30,04,000 ••

9- District Administration .... 40,21,000

to. Treasury and Accounts Administration . • 6,87,000

11. 1,15,38,000 ••

>2. J a i l s ...... 10,00,000 ••

US­ Supplies and disposal .... *7.59.ooo *•

U­ 3,62,000 ••

IS' Public W orks ...... • 1,05,61,000 a7. 33.ooo

16. Fire Protection and Control • 3,42,000 ••

>7- Other Administrative Services • 39,86,000 ••

18. Retirement B e n e fits ...... 3,10,000 • •

19*

90. 90,07,000 ••

* 1 . Public Health ...... 1,14,92,000 ■59,05,000

«2. 36,67,000

23. Urban Developm ent...... 6,10,000 9,00,000

*4* Information and Publicity • 11,25,000 ••

25- 5.55,000 • •

36. Social Security and Wellfare • '53.71.000 4.* 7.ooo

27. R(lief on Account of Natural Calamities. . • 18,65,000 274 W # **m Budget* FHALGUNA, 80, 1900 (SAKA) Genl Dis. D.G. on 2?4 Account (Mizoram), 79-80 and D.S.G (Mizoram), 78-79

Revenue Capita) Rs. Rs. 28 Co-operation . 13.05.000 28,47,000

29 Special and Backward Arras 4 'j,25.000 5.02.000

<\Q Misrrllanroui Economic Services 6.44.000

31 Agriculture 1.61,30,000 12.58.000

32 Food and Nutrition . 18.08.000 5153,4«.ooo

33 Animal Husbandry . 46.69.000 2,08,000

-34 Fisheries 6.09.000

35 Foicst* . 40.21.000

36 Community Development 31.07.000

37 Industries 39. 15.000 8j34,ooo

q8 Electricity 75*37‘,)0° 66.44.000

39 Roads ai'd Bridges . 3,97,8j ,ooo 1,44,17,000

40 Road and Water Transpoi t •3 1 .89,000 15. 21.000

41 lA>ajis to Government Servant* 19.9c.wo

MR SPEAKER: Motion moved- charges that will come in course of payment during the year end­ “That the respective supplemen­ ing on the 31st day of March, 1979 tary sums not exceeding the in respect of the following demands amounts on Revenue Account and entered in the second column Capital Account shown in the third thereof— column of the Order Paper be granted to the President out oi the Demands Nos. 4, 5, 7 to 12, Consolidated Fund of the Union 15, 17 to 22, 26, 28 to 82, 34 to Territory of Mizoram to defray the 37 and 39 to 41.”

Supidtnunlary Demands fo r Grants (Union Ttnitoiv of M tZoram ) or 1978-70 submiiUtdto th$ Vote of Lok Sabha

No. of Amount of Demand for Demand Name of Demand Grant submitted to the Vote of the House

Revenue Coital Rs. 4 Administration of Justice 2, 00,000

5 Ejections . . 7.40.000

7 Taxes on Vehicles . 65,000

8 Secietariai 2. 41.000 275 Mizoram Budget, Genl MARCH 21, 1079 Dig., D&. on AccoUiit 276 (Mizoram), 79-80 and D.S.G. (MizOram), 78-7S

Revenue Capital Rs. Rs. 9 District \dministration 5 70,000

10 Treasury and Accounts Administration 2.00.000

11 Police .... 18.50.000

ta Jails .... 4.56.000

15 Public Works . 9.00.000 2,33,000 17 Other Administrative Services ! t,77,000

,fi Retirement Benefits . 3.70.000

in Education 23.06.000

20 Medical .... 34.32.000

21 Public Health . 37.10.000

a2 Housing .... 3.50.000 23.00,0 26 Social Security and Welfare 10.02.000

28 Co-operation . j 7.00,000 29 Special and Backward Areas 2 000

30 Miscellaneous Economic Service 2.50.000

31 Agriculture 14,62,000 59,80,000

33 Food and Nutrition 4.08.000 3*38,33,000 34 Fisheries . 26,000

35 Forests . 2.78.000 2,75,000

36 Community Development 12.85.000

37 Industries r,00,000 24.00.000

39 Roads and Bridges . 1*38,89,000 50.00.000

40 Road and Water Tt ansport 4.83.000 10.00.000

41 Loans to Government Servants 2,00,000

MR, SPEAKER; Shri Tombi Singh. in the discussion on the Mizoram Budget—*11 the three items Nos. 13,14 SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH (Hoshangabad): There would not be and 15 on today’s list of business—I would like to express my deep anguish any dhange in the list of business? and anxiety about the present situa­ MR. SPEAKER: No, there will be no tion in the north-eastern Union Terri­ change. tory of mizoram. That Mizoram hae been placed under President's rule is & SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH (Inner very unfortunate fact, but for this I Manipur): Sir, by way of participating would not like to blame the Central 277 ttfeftW R Budget, PHALGUNA, 90, 1900 (SAKA) Genl. Dis, D.G. on 27 R Aceotmt (Mizoram), 79-80 and 2X&G (Mizoram), 78-79 Government alone, because there normal atmosphere There is no de­ has been a very special situation mocratic elimate at the moment. in that Union Territory necessitating O n ly money power which is the President’s rule. The situation con­ confined to a number of politicians, sisted of politics of the underground, who have control over contractors, overground, and various other factors, engmerrs, officers and businessmen in­ and these problems had to be solved dulging in black marketing and smug­ before fresh elections could be held. gling, is the politics that is prevailing The question is: what is the policy ctf there Until we ’•emove this unfavour­ the present Janata Government, the able atmosphere, perhaps we shall be Central Government to assess and only dreaming that democracy will solve these problems? The problems function in that very sensitive zone. are not new. The northeastern States of Manipur Coming to this Budget, the state­ and Nagaland have many things in ment of the Mmistei while presenting common with the Union Territory of the Budget, menUons Mizoram. Unde^giound elements have “The expenditure on revenue ac­ been working there and foreign ele­ count in the current year is expected ments are suspected to have been in­ to go up by Rs. 4.15 crores. The addi­ filtrating these areas from time to time tional expenditure is mainly due to to influence the local politicians and payment of a further instalment of local young people towards maligning dearness allowance to the emplo­ them from the mainstream of national yees with effect from 1st January, life. That has to be tackled carefully, 1978 clearance of certain arrear pay­ and we have made auggestoons in his ments to the Government of Rajas­ behalf on the floor of the House and than, additional provisions for in­ from various platforms so that the creased medical facilities for pre­ problems may be solved as soon as vention of epidemic diseases in the possible and in the appropriate man­ wake of Thingtam famine and in­ ner. i hope the problems will be clusion of provisions for mainte­ solved, and the people of Mizoram will nance of completed plan schemes.'* have the much-needed democratic set­ up, so that the next Budget will not Thus, in the budget for the next finan­ have to be passed by Parliament. cial ye«r, the amount shown an in­ What is necessary is created an atmos­ crease is meant only to pay for the phere of stability and free and fair security people hired from other elections. State Governments and also pay­ Representing as I do the neighbour­ ment to Government officials. No ing State of Manipur, I feel that the additional project has been indi­ situation in both the States, Mizoram cated here. This will imply that and Manipur, is not favourable to free small union territories! and small and fair elections. Before we go to States which have always posed elections, the necessary atmosphere has a problem for the nation as units with­ to be created. It may not be out of out financial viability will continue to Place to mention here that the Astfemb- be so. The present budget is thus a of Manipur has outlived its term routine exercise. A debate has been under the Constitution and fresh elec­ going on for a long time. While pas­ tions have to be held. There also, be­ sing the North-Eastern Areas Reorga­ fore we go to the elections, the Central nisation Bill during the last regime, a Government, particularly the Home number of members raised the question Ministry, has to see that a proper at­ that we are going to spend a lot of mosphere is created. more money on .the small twits. I also remember, in the course of a particular , is happening in this area debate concerning the passing of a Politic* doee not function in a budget of one of the small States under 279 Mizoram Budget, Genl. MARCH 21, 1079 Di*.t D.G. on Account 2go (Mizoram), 79-60 and D.S.G. (Mizoram), 78-70 [Shri N. Tombi Singh] loping tnd helping these unfortunate President’s rule then, a very respon­ and long-forgotten and neglected out­ sible member who was m the Opposi­ lying areas of the country wherever tion then and who i&> on the other side they are. I would like to suggest that now, mentioned that tiny States are the Finance Ministry, the Home Minis­ spending huge amounts, a big brother try and the Planning Ministry should attitude is quite undesirable. This sit together and see that a permanent problem of maintaining small units solution is found out for that which are not financially viable will Coming to the problem ol agriculture •continue. What is the way out? I which is associated with that of forests would like to pose this question once I am to say tha a,»-j culturc. is a again with all the emphasis at my com­ very unique problem in the hilly areas. mand. I had a talk with a numher ot heads of The pattern of financing the union departments and expert*, the Vice- territories and small States in the Chancellors of some oi the Agriculture north eastern region or elsewhere Universities and others and Hhey are should be such that the investment of the view that li wt c,r* solve the should aim at not merely maintaining problem of hilly agneuLture. the slopy- some office staff and security arrange­ terrace agriculture and side by side, if ments there or making payments to­ we can solve the problem of jhuming, wards certain famine or brought relief the destruction o.. ioresU in the«e measures. The investment should aim hilly areas, partieulailv. Min) ram, at lasting economic development in the Manipur, Nagalind and Meghalaya, "field of industry, agriculture, forests, then the economic positior ot these etc. The investments should be made States and union territories can be in these departments so that it will boosted up. This is one \ery impor­ give a permanent benefit to the people tant point, which needs tcKVung on a there. We find that the pattern has not special footing. Till then perhaps, we changed. This applies particularly to have to continue in this stagnant fash­ the States of Manipur, Nagaland, ion because there is no other way-out. Meghalaya, Tripura, and Union terri­ For instance, in matters like water tories of Mizoram, and Arunachal. supply, agricultuial equipment and other facilities, methods applied to the These small units have t0 stay for other areas cannot he applied to the valid reasons, I repeat other reasons hill areas. So, I would suggest that a also. In spite of the debate going on, special Agricultural University be set these union territories and small State up to study the problem of these areas have to say. The Finance Ministry, the and suggest ways and means to provide Home Ministry and other concerned effective measures for afforestation Ministries should sit together and find and also for the agriculture develop­ out a solution and. if necessary, by ment of these areas. appointing a team of Parliament to study the problems faced by the small The developmenl of industry should, units «nd suggest steps so solve them in the beginning be confined, to agro- on a permanent basis. The Spoon feed­ mdustries and forest industries. In ing is going on: Casual approach is this direction the steps taken do not going on. Every year, we are increas­ seem to be sufficient With great em­ ing the amounts of loans and grants to phasis I would like to request once them and we will say that revenue again that a special institution, on the incomes have increased. There is pattern of Agricultural University, whispering everywhere, if not done on should be set up under the Agriculture the floor of the House for reasOh'6 Ministry of the Centre to tackle the known to all of us and this whispering problem of the hill areas. is goint; On that union territories and small States are being financed for no Another point that I would like to benefit Perhaps, it is wrong The make is this. Mizoram has got its com­ nation has to bear the burden of deve­ mon border with Burma, and many i t 28! Mizoram Budget, PHALGUNA, 80, 1900 (SAKA) Genl Dis. D.G. on 2S2 Account (Mizoram), 79-80 end DJS.G (Mizoram), 78-79 the peonle of Mizoram have relatives a Minister of State was sent vmci in 30 on the other side and vice versa. One years. This is because of the difficul­ does not know who goes there and ties of communication, there is no air­ what he is doing We should not be strip, there is no all weather road. The surprise if some Mizoram people are people are feeling very frustrated. being employed there It might be that Therefore, any budget er any scheme many citizens of the other side also that drawn up for these people are registered here as Indian citizens should be done with an eye to serve has to be studied and some solution their basic interests, to solve their are working here. So, this problem basic difficulties The most pathetic lias to be studied and some solution part of the whole story about the Mi/o- to be found out so that this confusion ram people is that the only one agri­ does not contribute to tiie problems cultural development work the get era of insurgency and political ir.stablity ment undertook w«s to encourage cul­ and underground activities might be tivation of ginger (Adrak). Govern­ effectively controled where. ment gave some seeds and money and they cultivated ginger. The saddest part of that is that there is no market With these few words, I would uki* for ginger. Ginger used to be sold at to support the Mizoram Budget and I about Rs. 120 per quintal and it has would request the Government to see now come down to Rs. 60 because that this Union territory is developed there are no buyers. according to its genius and that their culture and crafts are protected. Mizo­ ram 'ilong with the other hill areas, There is onl> one road passing should continue to receive special through Mizoram with a population of protection til] they '-tana jti their own 4 lakhs Whoever can take out his feet produce to the road, his stuff is sold. SHRI PURNANARAYAN SINHA There are no trucks. They are lifted (Tezpur): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to by the buses on their top to be sold in Silchar which is the populous city add a few words on the Mizoram nearabout and outside Mizoram. By Budget that has beon piesfcnted to the the time it is transported and sold in House. the market, it dries up completely. So they do not get my market Mizoram is inhabited by people be longing to the Mongloid group. They migrated from Uppei Burma and set­ On the top of that, what happens is tled there. ‘Mizo’ means ‘hill-men’ and that m Mizoram there is a class of ‘Ram’ means ‘land’, Mizoram is thus bamboo t^.at flowers every 50 years the land of hill men When they flower, the flowers drop down and the rats survive on them. The State, after it was carved out of The rats grow in large number and the rest of Assam, is about 21 lakh they eat these flowers. After hectares, about 21,000 sq, kilometres in bamboo flowers are eaten up. there is area, full of bridges north to south. It no food for them and so they go into is one of the most neglected parts of fields and eat up all the rice and maize the country in the north-eastern cor­ grown by the people. The result is that, ner of India, sandwiched between the people a** left with hardly 3 Burma and Bangladesh. The feeople months provision and they have to de­ there were so neglected that it is said pend upon the nee and paddy they get that the first Prime Minister to vist from Silchar and other areas of Assam Mizoram was our present Prime Min­ and also through FCI. That also is ister, Shri Morarji Desat, on the 7th not a regular supply. Sir, the remote November 1978. Even when it was in areas of Mizoram cannot get the sup­ undivided Assam, the Chief Minister plies made by the PCI for their pro­ Assam never visited Mizoram, only vision. 283 Mitoram Budget, Gent. MARCH 21, 19W Dt*., D.0. on Account 284 (Mizoram), 79-80 and D.S.G. (Mie©rowi), 78-79 [Shri Purnanarayan Sinha] used all through the year. They do not have well water or river water. There are other difficulties. The T h ey have no supply b y pipes pushed .Mizos are hillmen. They live on the b y either gravitation or pressure. top of the hills. With the scarcity of food, there is the scarcity of drinking Coming to towns, there are 2 or 3 water. During the last 30 years, towns. Only in the town of Aizawal whether Mizoram was. a part of Assam which has a population of 70,000, there ruled by the Government of Assam or is some little water supply by arrange, now after 1971 when it has become a ment of our Public Health Engineering Union Territory and now ruled by the and Water Supply Department and no administration in Delhi, you will be other town has got any potable drink­ surprised to know that out of 229 vil­ ing water supply. lages, only 110 villages that is less than ur half the number of villages can be During the last thirty years, what reached by jeep and not by any other has happened is this. As a result of mode of transport No trucks can the Christian Missionary going there, reach them. . . spreading education, literacy available there is 54 per cent—next to, I think, SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH: Delhi, Chandigarh and Kerala. It used What about other villages? to be highest in the country formerly. SHRI PURNANARAYAN SINHA: There are ten to twelve tribes mostly, Nothing. Only jeeps can go. You they are Christians and they go to know jeeps can carry three persons Church; they study and learn English and at best one quarter of a tonne of and Mizo. They do not know Hindi of goods. because there is no system of teaching Hindi. Therefore, I would urge that SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMAT: Government should do something so Other villages cannot be reached at that the people living there in the all? hills will come and join the main­ stream of tile nation, so that they may SHRI PURNANARAYAN SINHA: come out to take jobs here and there No. Did they ever visit that place? or do some small business thereby They do not see their way to \isit they may emotionally integrate them­ those places. selves with the rest of the country. But they do know Hindi so they MR. SPEAKER: We may depute Mr. do not go out. That is their Kamath. custom. They do not know the languages* of the Plains people, SHRI HARI VISHNU KAMATH1 neither assamese language nor In your kind company, Sir. Bengali language. Hindi is not developed in that region which is be­ SHRI PURNANARAYAN SINHA: yond the Brahmaputra Valley. They Of the 229 villages, drinking water are tribal people. What can they do? supply is arranged only in 7 villages.. . They are unemployed too. They come out after dusk in the streets ang they An hon. Member Only seven? loot the shops. They loot the people. They have no other employment. SHRI PURNANARAYAN SINHA: There is no job for them to do. How Yes, only 7. Only in seven villages to utilise the manpower there which there is some sort of water supply. is now being wasted is the question. What do the people do? People Because of thirty years of our long collect rain water in big drums. On neglect of these people, till today, the front side of their houses, what they have not been able to see any attracts your eye is the drum that is development or progress which we see kept {here, covered. That is rain here in the otfetr 0*?t* fee country water iftrich is preserved, stored and or any other metropolitan cities. 28« r n m m &U4get, PHAUJUNA, 38, 1800 (SAKA) O m l Ufo. D.G. on 286 Acedmt (msonm)^ 7 9 - 8 0 and D.S.O (Mizoram), 78-79 Take for instance Delhi. There is recently. And we tried to contact no scheduled tribe being provided with Silcher by phone. We never got it. employment either by the Delhi Trans_ The phone was out of order. Not only port Corporation or by the Delhi Elec­ that, even the telegrams did not tric Supply Undertaking. The people reach. A letter from Delhi reached belonging to these tribes from Mizoram, Mizoram only after you reached there. the north-eastern region, do not come The Joint Committee on the Welfare to the Union Territory ojf Delhi to of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled which everybody has a claim. Mizoram Tribes sent the programme long ahead is also a Union territory. Those tribes to Mizoram but that reached there do not come here because they do not only on the eve of our arrival there. have the means to come out and pay their own fares to come lo Delhi. 13 hrs. (Interruptions) Therefore, Sir. the people are frustrated. They are at­ MR. SPEAKER: You are lucky. tracted by the allurement by the out­ siders. Lai Danga revolted against SHRI PURNANARAYAN SINHA: the Administration there bccause of Upto Silcher it goes by air. The rest frustration. The people who are frus­ is road journey. It takes only ' six trated are taking to arms and they hours, but the mail takes eight days. bring arms from outside into Mizoram posing a problem to us. They are not economically and socially developed Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Mizoram people people. Whatever developmental temperamentally are such that they do activities that might have taken place not come out to work on roads. The during the last thirty years, you will Border’s Roads Organisation are build­ be surprised to know that, of the four ing roads there but the Mizoram peo­ lakhs of population in 229 villages, un­ ple do not come out to work. Their der the middle income group housing, temperament is such that they are houses were provided onlv to about more prone to work in agricultural Ihirtyeight persons. Housing provided industries like plantations, etc. Some to lower income group comes to about time back Government started coffee one in three Villages. The number of plantation and some people did turn grants-in-aid provided for the cons­ up to work but there also no hard and truction of houses under the village fast timings for coming and going are housing scheme comes only to 103 per observed. So, the people there are cent—but this grant is not the total agricultural minded and not industrial cost of building houses fit for the peo­ minded. Therefore, these people could ple to live in. be given some industries like tea, coffee and rubber. Now, for any industry, you require MR. SPEAKER; Please conclude. roads. There is only one road com* munication that is made available in all the years from North to South. SHRI PURNANARAYAN SINHA: And that road sometimes is blocked by But, Mr. Speaker, their greatest curse landslides. Sometimes that one road is lack of power. They get only 3 is blocked for days together. There is MW—one MW they locally generate no other second road; there is no other and the rest they get from Assam. means of communication for the mails There is local potentiality for creating to move. Ag regards tele-communica- hydro-electric power from the rivers tion. 1 wish the Ministers or his Deputy Dhalesri and Mat The local govern­ who is present here 8<> to Mizoram to ment asked for provision of funds to find out tAie oosition there. If they start some hydei project so that some 80 to Shillong, Silchar etc. they powe, is locally generated to encourage understand the position. We were setting up agro-based industries. This in Mizoram for two to three days only will take long time. One does not zSjMigaram Budget, Genl MARCH 21, 1979 JDif., D.O. on Account 288 (Mizomm), 79-80 and OJ5.G. (Mkfiram), 78-79 [Shri Purnanarayan Sinha] MR. SPEAKER; That is not permis­ sible in Parliament. Please conclude. know how many decades it may be necessary for any government to un­ SHRI PURNANARAYAN SINHA: dertake these projects for the develop­ I am concluding. There should be a ment of the area. careful study of the local situation and/ difficulties felt by the people, over the MR. SPEAKER; You may please last few days You should go into the now conclude. matter why you have not been able to take care of them. My appeal to the SHRI PURNANARAYAN SINHA: hon. Minister of State and also the So far as Mizoram people are concern­ hon. Minister in charge of the Union ed they are a different ethni group. Territories as well as thc Finance They live secluded in the 111118. The Minister is this. They have to Bee arable land is very little. There are that more and more funds are provided fc>nly some patches here and there for the development of Mizoram so where paddy and maize cultivation is that the people there may feel that done. They prefer rice but there is no they are part of India They should market where Is it not in Mizoram, posts are held by non-Mizos. There­ Nagaland, Arunachal? If we ask some fore, there is firm belief that they are person, where are you coming from and he replies: I am from Delhi; it not being trusted and they are not Is accepted. But if somebody says, I giving proper posts to Mizos; that is come from Nagaland, (An Hon. Mem­ the typical situation. I can say with ber: Or from the South), or from the all frankness and honesty that it will South, it is not accepted. It will be be good if we employed Mizo people good if we start appreciating one an­ in their rightful places. other and recognise that others have The Mizo people have a problem. equal rights as ours; it will be good Their political problem lingers on. for all concerned. Speaking about The peace talks were discontinued. Mizoram it has been a very mislead­ Government for lack of understanding ing affair. I hope we shall not com­ and appreciation of the Mizo people mit the mistake of delaying the peace felt it good to discontinue and jump talk*. into elections. What was the result? Who were entrusted to carry on ftawfcr srarc • w w s r peace talks? If Government of India ntffcir, ?Nr xm #sr ft wnrft m lier agreed to have peace talks, *rrt ww | ®fhc sft vff w ^ wjat were the arrangements made? «rrr * * * * * * * arrnrr fr, were the people entrusted? If ifcrr 5T*wr | ftr w $ flnrra * did not accept that situa- wtar 11 mwim * wt totfr ® was needless to bring the lea­ srr* an# 295 Mizoram Budget, Genl M AR CH 21, 1979 Dia., D O . On Account 2 9 6 Mizoram, 79-80 and DJS.G. 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[Shri A. C. George] A great achievement An administra­ tion from Delhi has been administer­ As many friends have pointed out, ing the people of this beautiful land, we are discussing about a unique peo­ p eople o f 5 lakhs, irom 11th November ple m a beautiful part of our country. till today, that is, March, and they This is known as the seventh sister, say that a petrol pump could net be this is one among the seven sisters— opened m Mizoram A great proposal Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya, could not be implemented* Can you Manipur, Tripura, Mizoram and Naga­ imagine the efficiency of the Central land As my good friend, Mr Chandr- administration? In the Explanatory appan, has correctly pointed out, we Memorandum there is another lmpoi- are discussing one of the most intelli­ tant thing For these people, in the gent, literate and enlightened people new estimates, for their planning allo­ in this country I can understand Mr cation, the increase is barely Rs 1 Tombi* Singh speaking about Mi/oram, crore which works out to an increase he has seen that land. I can under­ of less than 6 per cent This is the stand Smt Shaiza speaking about that way we are treating the Mizoram because it is her adjacent State. Mr people. Chandrappan and myself had been there recently But some friends, who Here are some people shouting and do not even know the topography of making sermons about foreign mis­ that, are trying to discuss about it, sionaries They do not know the pre­ absolutely from a different angle, sent history Thev just do not exist I will come to that point later The Minister of State for Home Affairs is sitting here ^nd I hope he will SHRI PURNANARAYAN SINHA I clarify the point People come and have seen Mizoram say ‘foreign missionary’, ‘foreign mis­ sionary’ The only foreign missionary SHRI A C GEORGE: I never meant m Mizoram and m many other parts you I know you come from Assam of the country who are disturbing the which is one among the seven sisters. people are the bureaucrats from Delhi. I meant some others These are the foreigners according to them Otherwise it was said here As many friends have pointed out, repeatedly and categorically that Mizo­ the most important lhmg is to have the ram has got one of the highest per­ elections early The Minister of State centages of literacy in the country and in the Ministry of Home Affairs, who their people are a highly enlightened is sitting here, I think, has given a people You say that they are under comparatively categorical assurance the influence of foreign missionaries. that he is capable of giving, that there On this point I would like to come will be elections soon So, I do not to an important situation I have here want to go into that letters from many friends from Mizo­ ram and its neighbouring States. There it so happens that the 98 p e r cen t of My good friend, the Minister of State the population are Christians and th ere in the Ministry of Finance, has brought is the widespread anguish, fear and this budget proposal In the Explana­ apprehension about the attitude ot the tory Memorandum the Finance Minis­ present Government That is why they try is admitting an important thing. are repeatedly clamouring about the From 11th November, this administra­ a ttitu d e of the Government of India tion is there, ruling on behalf of Delhi. to the new Bill introduced by Shri 1 will read out one sentence; O. P. Tyagi on 22nd D ecem ber More than 22 missions from a ll over the “The proposal fo opening a new country have made representations to petrol pump in the current year did the government to make their attitude not materialise.” dear about this Bill. It h*« a ve*y 305 Mizoram Budget, PHALGUNA, 80, 1900 (SAKA) Genl Dis DG. on 306 Account ( Mizoram) , 70-80 and D.SG (Mizoram), 78-79

important aspect fcr the people of tailed Freedom ot Religions Bill’ Mizoram and people m other parts of But there the definition of ‘force’ and the country as well ‘inducement* can be stretched to such an extent I want to quote here The term ‘force will include even the threat SHRI VAYALAR HAVI (Chiraym- of divine displeasure and ‘inducement kil) What is that Bill’ will include the grant of any benefit, pecuniary or otherwise In effect this- SHRI A C GEORGE The Bill is will mean that il a person converts apparently very innocent and it is from one religion to another because apparently vegetarian That is why I he wants to iollow the dictates of his ask you That js why the people are conscience which tells him that this is asking you to make the stand of the the tight thing to ao and if he did not, government clear Representations iie wo aid di'spleas* God, then such a from all over the country are coming eonver«ion according to the Bill, would be eonsideiea as done b\ the use Sir, it is the usual fashion to sa ot foiee and therefore illegal Then something about Ei±glish and associat mat, cement has go* another meaning ing Christianity with it Sir, Chris­ whuh is given Similarly, if a person tianity came here 20 c e n tal ios oack comeits himself from one religion to and some people who think and speak another religion because he hopes about these missionary institutions— thereby to receive spiritual benefits Sir, I know at least three Janata Mem­ like the Grace ot God and helps to bers of Parliament ot whom one is live a more spiritual life, that is con*- from Jana Sangh— I do not want to sidered illegal because it comes under mention the name— who came to me the grant of benefitr-pecuniary or asking me to go along with them to otherwise’. That is the danger that this some Principals of missionary schools interpretation can be given to force* in Delhi for admission of then wards and inducement’ That is why I re Then I asked them, 1 suppose you are peatedlj. say one thing If at all there all against English and the Christian is any force or inducement m this missionaries’ What is the reply’ ‘Oh* country now, it is b> the government That is all for public consumption If The government 15 making forcible t we want to bring up our children, we conversion because you will be sur­ must fend them to the mission schools prised and I think many of the Mem­ This is their attitude bers may not be aware that when somebody belonging to the Scheduled Sir, I am not speaking on behalf of Castes or Scheduled Tribes converts anybody These Christian missions himself to and embraces Christianity have done yeoman service to this coun­ or Moslem religioi, immediately all try in the fields of education, medical the social disabilities are removed and facilities, voluntary health services and he or she is not eligible for reservation in so many other social fields Please m employment, education and other don’t try to denigrate them m such a benefits which accrue to the Scheduled manner saying 'These are foreign mis­ Castes and Scheduled Tribes. The sionaries’ They are as much Indian funniest thing is that it does not stop as any one of you th ere.

14.00 hrs The point that 1 am coming to is this I just want to quote a few things In Mr Tyagi’s Bill there are many many SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL May subtle points, dormant points and I ask why did they opt’ You said that hidden points which apparently Mr. if a person opts, all his disabilities are Kanwar Lai Gupta was trying to make removed. Then why did they opt for out He ig very innocent The Bill is it? 307 Mizoram Budget, Genl. MARCH M /W M . m*>> 0 & j Mizoram, 79-80 end O.5.G.

own culture. I think Mr. Verma was saying that they must learn Hindi. SHRI A. C. GEORGE: Because of ou t o f the dictate of conscience. You are (Interruptions) Mizoram people, their long historical culture are en­ concerned with religion. lightened people. They are living there. They must learn Hindi. SHRI DHANIK 1 AJL M A N D A L : Is there a freedom to convert them all? 14.01 hrs.

SH R I 7 AYALAR RAVI: As a Home [D r. S u s h il a N a y a r in the Chair] Minister, why do you get agitated? It Mr. Chandrappan was saying that is a social attitude! Mizoram people were the second class citizens. 1 have one amendment to SH R I A . C. GEORGE: The funniest make. The second class citizens are thing is—I hope the Home Minister in the South and the third-class citi­ Shri Mandal will remain for a minute zens are in Mizoram. We shall have and listen to me— that if that person to change this attitude. I would like is converting back to Hinduism sud­ the hon. Minister of Stale for Home denly, he gets back all his disabilities Affairs. Shri Dhani* Lai Mandal to be and then he is eligible for all the re­ more peaceful and more reasonable servations. This ip a funny thing. and conciliatory at least when he ap­ After he is going tr another religion, proaches the problem of the North he is losing the disabilities. After he Eastern State. comes back you may say that is a forci­ ble conversion. I -would like the wra waif tfsr): ?nmfar minister to know an to what happened in Tamil Nadu. AJ least there were 3% sro# faar wr j:? i g?rr % frnfnw srsr? some persons who could understand t t ^ ffoft q f w the depth of the problem. They did w ffevtor firar f*p 3rr3"*T qrt tfanr something. I remember that in the MU pt ftnrrctr apt «r$-ste tazt-sr*r Tamil Nadu, the previous Government w^nfir^nr 11 ^ at'b did it which the present Government is not following. They understood the wrufoKfi srnft % aras qrm arr?r 1 1| problem . srr sift Wr SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA (Delhi Sadar); But, what about Kerala? What is the total outlay? What is the total budget and what is the total SHRI A. C. GEORGE: In Kerala we population of Mizoram? I had beeii to have done that. The provision is there. Mizoram many Hraes. And let me tell Nobody is clamouring for this differen­ you that it is five lakhs,—the Budget tiation. Once the person has changed is not of Rs. 45 crores. The budget i« the religion the social disabilities dis­ for Rs. 71 crores for a population of appear. If the comes back again then five lakhs. What i5 the total budget he begins to enjoy these disabilities. for Nagaland and what is their popu­ Haw palatable it is! You understand lation? What is the total population that. In the States like Arunachal oj Arunachal Pradesh? What is their Pradesh, Mizoram, Nagaland, Megha­ budget? If you compare that X can laya and in an sensitive areas don’t definitely say that the per capital ex­ try to dump them by saying that they penditure made by the Government of belong to one particular religion or India this year is higher than any other they profess one particular faith. Don't State. 1 can confidently say that We try to dump them to these sensitive are doing it and we do it rightly. I areas. If you really want to bring do Itot say that it is a wrong thta* them into the national mainstream, as The per capital income comet to about one hdn. friend was saying, they must As. iSOfif or l«0fi oer year per learnt Hindi. They must have their Mteoffsriit ' 309 Mizoram Budget, PHALGUNA, 30, 1900 (SAKA) G enl Dis D.G. on 310 Account (Mizornn), 79-80 and D.SG (Mizoram), 78-79 SHRI A C GEORGE They are want­ free education upto the last to every ing a small petrol ounk That is not boy and girl of Mizoram and Nagaland done A class there consistf of ten students and for ten students there are two pro­ SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA Mr fessors three leaders and five lecturers George was telling that even a smail Government should make an enquiry petrol bunk is not constructed That into all these things to find out how does not mean that there is nothing best we ran spend lor the development bong done at all of these people They should make a through probe into it so that SHRI A C GEORGE It is given in whatever is spent is spent pro­ the Explanatory Memorandum perly and the poor people get it The money is spent out not wisely We are doing a It I lot them and to raise MR CHAIRMAN Let him proceed the question o£ "hust ans and non- christians is not a ?ood policy (Inter­ SHRI A C GEORGE There is a ruption's) misunderstanding which has to be re­ moved In the Explanatory Memo­ Madam, whether this question is randum >t is mentioned that the pro­ raised by me or bj my fuend Mr posal foi opening a new petrol bunk George 01 any body on this side of the in the current vear did not materialise House is not fair Anybody irrespec­ This is given in the explanatory tive of rehgion cask aiJd language is memorandum as good an Indian ac others * ^TT isrTigttT gr far fWtrg tmrnr it SHRr KANWAR LAL GUPTA -8 mitted by the official and they aie I vrr dm f —3 ^ arm fa w* ignored by the Munster I think this t$r f — farwt should not have beer mentioned in $ srf?r srft c 1 mFFfhr w&z, the budget memorandum at all I % I fa ^fT % Wt’T 5rr% f » know croreb of rupees have been spent *BTvT f T 7 ^ S*T STT* * for the development of Mircram I can *mpn *\ f^ t t % srra ^ Tt 1 3 challenge and say that whatever has ir^hrtr It 5r§ 5®?!T ^ far aprr been spent m Mizoram, Nagaland and % sfrro srrc *f? sre smrcr other smaller States the per capita ex 'W vm It ®rr 1 wr vFftf srer penditure is the highest and above the %?TT 3F* SFT & ? fftPT fcn f^TT per capita expenditure m U P Madhya | ’ ^ 3T3TC:STSETTfTcT Pradesh or any other Northern State $ ft» wtit ^npTf vR VT STFBT TfT & It is nine times more f fa*T "^T $ I fft *¥ *T$ft % 3n»T*TT ■wTjprr •rjt w r r *ft T$*rr tott | sflff awsrr I ? tnn: Sir 1 visited the Gauhati university f*WT f; ftraur wFfrr | «rr in Shillong This university has been fore set-up for Mizoram, Arunachal Pradesh vr *pt*t nW ** ftraro ?rw and Nagaland but the total number of «wmD ^ *nra ij students in that university is 546 and Per capita expenditure per year per student comes to Rs. 13,000 a year. I asked the Vice-Chancellor, “what is 5ft ftw # 5ft * ffcr this*” He could not explain. It is a vt ftw fwr I sheer waste that is going on I say There may be certain omissions There s m fXtefl* pom people as much at may be somethings which need to be hut I would a i m like to point done. There may be some adjust­ out that with this iboney you can ments to be made That is possible. 3 i i Mizoram Budget, Genl MARCH 21, 1979 JDw., DG. on Account % iz Mizoram, 79-80 and DS.G (Mvflram), 78-79 [Shri Kanwar Lai Gupta] shouid take pioper steps I agree that there should be no compulsion in reli­ You nave a right to differ Anybody gious matters of anybody, including. has a right to differ But our friends Christians They should be free to will agree that if a person is converted follow whatever religion, they may like on account of inducement or by force But if anybody indulges in anti- to another religion that is not good national activities he should be Whether it is from Hinduism to Chris- taken to task This is my respectful tianity or from Christianity to Hindu­ submission With these words I con­ ism yr from Hinduism to Islam what­ clude my speech ever it may be nobodj should be fore SHRI VAYAL'YR RAVI (Chiraym- ed So iar as this Government is con­ kil) The Budget on Mizoram has cerned the policy is very clear We S \ei use to discuss many problems dont iorce anybodj Nobody should concerning Mizoram dnectly I hope be toiced Nobociy should be com­ that the Ministers qX the ruling party pelled or forced to come to some other will take the cut c s ns offered m the religion by indu ement or any such orcper spirit It ^ojncerns our national thmg You may have difference of interest The concept £ sovereignty opinion Even I may agree with you of smaller States is that the people of on ceitam points that m regard to de­ all these States «?ome .rto Mizoram should be looked into by the Home from other parts of the country, ee* Minister Many things have appeared pecially from the neighbouring States. in the Press I appeal to the Home People are going there from several Minister, through you Madam, that he States am this kind of immigration 3 X3 Misoram Budget, PHALGUNA, 80, 1900 (SAKA) Genl Dis. D.G. on 314 Account (Mizoram), 79-80 and D.S.G (Mizoram), 78-79 has created a social tension in the education. Yes, there should be a minds of the local people. There, the good amount to be spent for the pur­ people who have migrated, are trying pose of university education. That is to exploit the local people and from good. If you spend a good sum of the local lands. It is natural that there money for the purpose of education, may be an economic confrontation or it is good for the State and the coun- social confrontation between the local try as a whole. If the student popula­ people and the immigrants. But the tion is less in the State, even a small real reasons for the confrontation is on amount that you will be spending on account of exploitation by the immi­ education will appear to be more. We grants and they trj to capture the have to spend more money for educa­ political authority and power with the tion because we have to provide edu­ connivance and helxj of the sultans— cation for everybody In this connec­ officers. There is a group of sultans— tion, I have received many letters not officers—who help them. So, instead of only from Mizoram but from Kerala trying to be friendly with the local also and from other areas that there people, instead of carrying on with is a fear in the minds? of the minority the local people, they try to exploit people. The fear is regarding Mr. them. If a petty officer goes to Mizo­ Tyagi's Bill. Madam, you are one of ram from here he is treated as a big the living disciples of Mahatma boss. I do not blmae Mr. Mandal. He Gandhi. One of the greatest teachings is sitting here, far away from that of Mahatma Gandhi is tolerance and region, and he is relying on the report the whole of the Indian society is guid­ of the officers. What we are demand­ ed by his teachings and even the Con­ ing is that there should be a democratic stitution is framed on the Gandhian form of Government so that there is concept of tolerance. The Constitu­ more freedom in the administration tion, as a whole, and the preamble of of the State. But when the Presi­ the Constitution convey the spirit of dent’s rule is imposed, the officials take the feelings of Mahatma Gandhi, who the law in their owr* hands. At the has been the greatest man of the time. moment, I would like to say that you I would quote th* relevant Article should not reiy on the officers lone from the Constitution, Article 13 which because they are trying to defend them­ says: T selves all the time. This is what I would like you to consider. The other ■’The State shall not discriminate point which Mr. Gupta was making is against any citizen on grounds only about the budget proposals. The of religion, race, caste, sex. place of amount allotted for this State is Rs. 45 birth or any of them.” crores Out of this amount, a sum of Rs. 255 million is for the non-develop- I have read it with a purpose. You mental activities. If you look at the convert from one religion lo another, budget you will Ann that an amount you lose everything, discrimination of Rs. 99 million only has been set comes in. You come back, everything apart for the developmental activities. comes back. Is it not against the Con­ More than 50 per cent of the total out­ stitution? It is certainly against the lay is for the non-developmental activi­ Constitution. That is why I say. we ties. But we say that the budgeted are losing tolerance. Shri Gupta said amount is very big for a State having there was nothing wrong in Shri a small population. I do not know Tyagi's Bill. I want tc ask a logical whether this amount will be spent for question and that is, what is the pur* the construction of border roads, for pose of this Bill. Is there any forced security purposes or for something else. conversion going op in this country? If not, why this Bill? The implication is that forced conversion is going on in Mr. Kanwarlal Gupta has mentioned this country. That is what Shri Tyagi about budget outlay tor the university wanted to argue. There, I differ 3 i5 Mizoram Budget, GenI MARCH 21, 1979 D fe, D.G, on Account a j6 Mizoram, 79-80 and DJS.G. (MtxQram), 78-79 [Shri Vayalar Ravi] Lastly, the approach of the Janata Government after they came to power basically and fundamentally on this to the various problems concerning matter the poor people and minority classes has created a kind ol fear complex in them 1 wish, you remove that As you know, the minority classes fear complex in the people and do not have been expressing their fears m allow the people to exploit these poor man* ways It is for tihe Govern­ people living m these areas Certain ment to assure them that their rights people with vested interests go there which have been ass&red by the Con­ and exploit those people stitution will not be taken away and these wouid be protected by the Gov ernment Then I come to the Appropriation Then, 1 would come to the approach BiU Out of 10 i million the major ol the Government to the Union Terri­ allocation is for three items that is, tories as a whole The budget for police food and the roads The Pondicherry is also going to be dis­ allocation for backward areas is only cussed and I will make my point there two lakhs 1 do not want to go into also You cannot treat the Union the details^ but you must have a Territories as subsordinate States and fresh look at the whole thing Theie the people there as subordinate to the is moie expenditure on unproductive people in other areas The Central items I would appreciate it you are Government officers go there like big continuing whatever good things sultans These sultans are the biggest were done by the previous Govern­ menace for these people and jou have ment Unlortun itely a fear has come to control them in the minds of the* minority people There was a problem recently m that they are bem*. neglected This fear should be removed and there Assam I have beer there More than three thousand people have been should be a categorical statement by butchered That js the report I do the Minister to this effect not knew the exict number Shri Mandal can say that Whose fault is With these words 1 conclude it’ I am not prepared to agree that wwHi ***** fas t Nagas are at fault As you know, tTFT TT* cftfai1' I there was an agreement and Sundaram report also A particular area bet­ ween Assam and Nagaland was de­ wnftr fa* (rrfwrx^T ) clared as ‘no-man s land’ No less a iTFftm 1 ** sir *rHV | s fin* person than the Chief Minister of S’ET 144 SWT ft t Assam went there and asked people to come on and settle there He de dared it as a socialist victory A num­ ber of families settled in that area The Chief Minister of Assam was told that he was doing a mistake He was wmfrt Rnj art asked not to violate the agreement as ftrrwr fWt^r srer *tt 15^ *rr# jpp also the Sttndaram report If he did tftrrr % fasrt ^ 3WT11 , g». _» vtf fq[«n9«r _ * flft ^ WTftf ^ f ^ aRf# Ir w fpW f m 4HW K W WTOT 5 WWW «ftr gwflf «n&t * *« ft -«Pt w t % urn- ksntf vtf faftw rfaft 3 *rar m m ?rt «n^rr i h u m * fa r arrcrt $ 1 «rnr f ft* wr i|t f*F# *roRrviH *rr£ *pt stira sSaw *? ysk m «ft w»mT * m t «msT |» tfwra % ^BRIT5 ft?wrc$ *fr «rt»TT 1 anr (nr ipr | w «nr ifhr vNf ,p f *r^t ti «mr $■ nvrgv *ft *nvt *^t *fr arrar * n z t f i «w fw ^ar tot tf»rr w ft * t qnrcw | ?rt «r$t 1 w «pi srarf 5fanS rr | fa *?? ^ fqrf^dy? Pr^fer^ftvT vt w farts w r? rr 1 1 if « r w tft»r *gr 3 * ?Hii % 9rr59rv ^ vt^ft ^r ^t ^nr^mft 3*$ **r $r *#t t *ffc mtiHftar 6 | 1 Wf5T w^Pt fafawr & 1 1 r # t o u T« t > ^P'SwtfTfwf WTcT £ 1 *rcft ^ft « m sfpft * t fa # «n£r t f a t>^T3rr^?Tfrlr m^t*r STf^r an srgt *»t % p# v t gnror t 1 ?rqpr «tt wrr ^rr v^sftl, f««riv it apT arrar t ^ I’ wsrnr wS. 5rrf*P w j % «ftn ^ft^ %nfe irtit ^«t '#3ft *ft ? r r ?t^T ft 1 sflfcrq »t ^srr »r hv itVt ^ttk arn? ?rt araf «rrPrer wr^ 5?nFt frtr^ Ept ^?7?r I i n't «r?PPt *TOTT 5TT ^ I rT?ft WMH WCVt aft FTm|¥§gTr«fTTS?Tv?rr| tfrtstfr arnT w m r debate is this. This is not only a ^ 3 , ^ 1 ^ «ft, ^ wrr «ftr question of Mizoram. Whether it is ^^TWHm^Tmrr^^rwrKl > tm Nagaland, whether it is Meghalaya, whether it is NEFA, m ail these areas, the basic pionlem cannot be solved 2 % i n * * R t <» by this traditional budget First of 2j^^^Fwfen!twirWww w r % all, agriculture is the main profession there, and unfortunately neither the- 3 i9 Mizoram Budget, Genl MARCH 21, 1079 Dis., D.G. on Account *20 Mizoram, 79-80 and DS.G. (MizOram), 78-79 [Shri Annasaheb P. Shinde] ram. Unless irrigated land is develop­ ed, there would not be any stability previous Government to which I was to agriculture. People will not stick * a party nor the present Government to agriculture. Jhum cultivation has has been in a position to find a solu­ already destroyed all forests. And tion to the basic problem ol land even wild life which was the best life tenure system. There, m all these in the country in this part of the •north-eastern regions, land is neighter region has also completely extinguish­ community owned nor individually ed. In these areas, people are very owned. There is a lot of confusion on good; very hard working people are land ownership pattern. To my mind, there. They are very affectionate as a progressive, I will stand for even people. Unfortunately we have not collective ownership, but I don’t think succeeded m bringing them into the that will be a practical proposition in common stream of life. A traditional the present situation. Therefore, un­ budget like the one for Punjab or less Government takes a basic decision Delhi or Haryana, with similar provi­ on land tenure system and land owner­ sion for community development or ship—land tenure is encouraged— public health—I am not opposed to , all these budgetary provisions are not that—is not going 1 c make any dent going to make any impact on the unless the type of infrastructure need­ economy and their development This ed is built up and production efforts are is a serious statement I am making. encouraged in that area. For agricul­ ture there should be infrastructure for Why are Mizoram people having electricity, for providing extension; it difficulties? Why is there political should not be individual responsibility, turmoil m this region’ The main it should be institutionalised. Unless reason is that the Government of that is done I am afraid lhat crores of India has not succeeded in finding an rupees which sve are going to sink in economic solution for these people. As this area will continue to be sunk and far as this region is concerned, it was we shall not be able to find a solution having trade with Burma, because to the problem that people face there. it has a bdrder of 435 km with Burma, I am sorry that the Finance Ministry apart from other regions. And during is blindh following the traditional the British regime, there was a free budget system. I am not casting any ( movement of commodities, etc., be­ aspersion on the hon. Minister, he is ^ cause naturally two separate people sincere and intelligent. But unfor­ are there, two entities are there Trade has stopped and obviously the life of tunately he has not gone into the depth < of the problem. I wish he goes into the local people has been very badly the depth of the problem, not only in -affected. So, a special type of set-up Mizoram but in the entire north-east­ is necessary to go into the economic problems of these people and how ern region. commodities flow will be there. This THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE is a special consideration which the Finance Minister should suggest to MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI the Minister of Home Affairs and SATISH AGARWAL): Madam Chair­ others so that they will be in a posi­ man, my colleague Shri Dhanik Lai tion to look into this Mandal, the Minister of State in the Ministry of Home Affairs is here. Then there is a common problem Mizoram is a Union territory which is in this area and that is jhum culti­ administered by the Home Ministry. vation. To my mind, the only solu­ Many of the points that have been tion of this problem is to have an raised here concern that Ministry and irrigated land. There are good vallies. it will be proper if he replies to those There is a very good rainfall, but points. So, he may be permitted to hardly anything is being done in this intervene in the debate; for the other region for the development of Mizo* points ‘I shall reply. 321 Mizoram Budget, PHALGUNA, 30, 1900 (SAKA) Genl. Dis. D.G. on 322 Account (Mizoram), 79-80 and D.S.G (Mizoram), 78-79 THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE So, President’s rule was imposedP MINISTRY OP HOME AFFAIRS and Assembly was dissolved and now (SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL); It 1 say on 27th April this year elections: to true that Mizoram is very picture­ will be held in Mizoram. That has sque countryside and the people there been agreed between Government and are also very colourful, and I also say, the Election Commission. The date affectionate. 1 have gone there; I has been fixed, 27th April. 1979. It is visited Mizoram once and I met all well within six months. We keep our sections of the people there; I found words and not like the previous Gov­ that they desire peace. Therefore, ernment, President’s rule continuing elections were ordered to be held and for years and years on. Within six elections were held. Shrimati Rono months we shall see that election is Shaiza is not here now; she wanted held and election will be held. to know why negotiations were called off. Hon. Members of the House are SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR (Pondi­ aware that in March 1978 the then cherry) What about Pondicherry^ Home Minister, Chaudhury Charan You are very generous for one terri­ Singh called off the negotiations which were going on with Mr. Lai Denga at tory but not for other. that time. It was made clear to the House that no useful purpose would SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL We be served by continuing negotiations are very anxious. with Mr. Lai Denga because he did not fulfil the commitments he mart* SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN- What himsolf namely, that he would arrange about Manipur’ the surrender of the underground with arms within a certain period of time SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL- t which was stipulated He went on shall take up Manipur too. bidding time So negotiations were failed off and elections were ordered to be held. Elections were held and In Pondicherry too that problem- in those elections People’s Conference, came Because there will have to be anolher party led by Mr. Shailo got intensive revision of electoral rolls> , two-thirds majority in May. The Min­ therefore, Pondicherry will take ^ istry came into existence in June and little more time. the ministry was working. Unfor­ tunately due to dissidents within the SHRI RAGAVALU MOHANARAN- Party, this MNF government was re­ GAM (Chengalpattu) : How rnanjr duced to a minority and therefore in times you have said that elections will tho month of November 1978 Presi­ be held shortly. dent’? rule was clamped down. It Wa

^ * 1 C. K, CHANDRAP3PAN: Is it? MR. CHAIRMAN: You talk of Pon­ Y^ HftI lsDHANlK hAL MANDAL: dicherry, when Pondicherry is taken up. * 2* Mizoram Budget, Genl IfAStCH 21, i m &H., M - * * i « « W * 394 Mizoram, 79-90 and DJS.G. < « fu O « w * ),W » SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: What jhum cultivation to permanent culti­ About Manipur? vation. It is our endeavour that all areas which are under jhum cultiva* i SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL: He tion now should come under perma­ -wants to know about Manipur. In­ nent cultivation. Further, we w e tensive revision of electoral roll has making all efforts. About the cause been ordered and dates are under con­ of insurgency, according to me, it is sideration. not the frustration which the hon. members are pointing out. Two SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: That things according to me were respon­ tmeans you will have President’s rule sible for insurgency. Firstly, they dlhere and then you will have elections were used to trading with Burma and because the present Assembly will Hong Kong. That was the main source come to an end. The tenure will be of their income which gradually over on 5th March. came to a stop. Secondly, some unis- chief-mongers created this psychosis MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri Bala Paja- in the simple tribal people that the ' anor, will you kindly sit down. He is Government of India is against their — 'jaot yielding. religion. It is not a fact But some­ SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR* It is a how this impression was created. •matter dealing! with Union Territo­ When I went there, I tried to remove ries. this impression. The Government of tytdta treats all religions equally. MR< CHAIRMAN: You can have clarification after he has finished. Do jnot interrupt. f aft faifr arppfr ^ SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL: trfa y*r ftr far? fa*rr ’I nntirely agree with the hon. members sn^rr fa fa*ft fatter ™ and with Shri Shmde in particular t i 1hat unless we take care of agncul- But that impression was created and -ture, we will not be able to solve the these simple people—five lakhs of problem of Mizoram and the main people—thought that they could be­ trouble and also the danger is jhum come independent and sustain theit cultivation This is disastrous as well independence. Now that is going out as dangerous because it brings in of their mind. When I went there, e introduced and t0 this task we But that is my surmise, which I am fiave addressed ourselves. Our main telling you. ‘thrust now is that agriculture must Mrs. Shaiza Rano talked of the re­ ■get top priority and jhum cultivation vival of the demand for independence. must be replaced by permanent cul­ That is not true. MNF was formerly tivation. There should also be cash led by Laldenga, but subsequently he -cropping on a large scale and for that was disowned by his own people be­ w® are doing everything. You will be cause he was away from the main-v "happy to know that to replace jhum land for years and years. He did not ^altivation we are spending now participate in the trials and tribula­ about Rs. 1 crore. Ftoom Be. 2 lakhs, tions of the people whom he had en­ it has come toRs. 1 evere. We #re couraged to revolt. These people were gradually weaning away areas from undergoing sufferings and 325 Mizoram midget, PHAJLGUNA, *0, 1900 (SAKA) Genl. Die. D.G. on **6 A t e w n IMto&om), 70-80 mA DJS.O (Mzoram), 78-79 but this naan never participated in subsidised NAFED to the extent of ihaSr sufferings and hardships. So, Us. 40 lakhs. So, we saw to it that XAldknga was ' iw w a e j[ by bis own whatever production they could make, ttoopte. Subsequently came Mr. Biak- ihat had an assured market and in ehhunga, the self-styled Commander- turn, they got rice, wheat and every­ in-Chifef of the Mizo National Army. thing. We took measures that who­ He had differences with Laldengfa and ever wants to work should get work. they broke off. The underground Therefore, we spent Rs. 1.02 crores people were scattered. How so many for that purpose and for takavi loan. of them have come over ground. Very few are left under-ground. So, I entirely agree that thingtam will the MNF got divided into two. Now have to be taken care of. Unless we both fellows have been disowned and take care of thingtam, Mizoram people a third man has come. The MNF is will be put to trouble. divided thoroughly. People there About resources and infrastructure want peace by and large and the being built there, I agree that Mizo­ under-grounds have come over­ ram has very little power. We have ground. So, there is no question of sanctioned a project of 5 mgwatt. It insurgency and there is no question will solve the problem of Mizoram to of revival of that demand. a large extent.

About other things I will not say About roads and airstrip about much because that has no relevance which Shri Purnarayan Sin ha spoke, with this Budget. we have built a road from Silchar to Aizol and it takes only 8 hours from Dr. Ramji Singh talked of mautam Aizol to Silchar. Whither and thingtam that come at the inter­ reaches there in a week or fourteen val of 50 and 18 years respectively. days, I am not responsible for that, That is the real tragedy of the Mizo­ but the road takes only 8 hours. ram people. There I entirely agree with him because these people gene­ About airstrip, we are asking for rally depend on agriculture. Because an alternative site Formerly, Turial of jhum cultivation, they do not have was selected for this purpose but later much to spare. So, when this famine on, it was found that it has sub-stan­ comes after 18 or 50 years, they really dard soil. Wi» are also working on face the difficulty. In this kind of a different airstno which is near to economy, whatever they produce this Aizol. Therefore, by and large, we year, they eat it and whatever they are taking care of every aspect of produce next year, they eat it They Mizoram. do not have anything to spare. That Is why, when mautam or thingtam Last time, when I visited Naga­ comes, they are faced with real diffi­ land, I enquired about these people culty. This is really the bane. Past and I found that the people are fell time, when thingtam occurred, we off, contended and peaceful. They gave assistance on a large scale and want peace and democracy. we saw to it ttyrt due to thingtam, nobody should suffer. Therefore, we SHRI SAUGATA HOY (Barrack- promised that whatever difficulties pore): What about petrol pumps? r they face, we are there to help them. SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL: That we have left for you. About ginger, we have asked NA1ttSD to procure ginger from there SHRI C. K CHANDKAFPAN: at tut, 90/- per quintal and not at lyiadam, I would like to ask for a its. 80/- as Jtfteged by Mrs. Saiza. We Clarification. Regarding elections to 327 Mizoram Budget, Genl MARCH 21, 1979 Dis., D.G. on Account 32S Mizoram, 79-80 and D.S.G. (MizOram), 78-79 fShri C. K. Chandrappan] roads to Christian missionaries. 1 have learnt quite a lot about that Manipur, the hon. Minister in the area, which I have not visited so far. course of the reply made a statement I was feeling envy for the members that there will b® President’s Kule who gave such a colourful descrip­ and that he has asked for the electo­ tion. They are very fortunate people. ral rolls to be revised by the Elec­ But I can assure you that 1 will visit tion Commission. I would like to have a categorical assurance from him the north-eastern region within a very short time. that elections willi take place in that could not be implemented in that One point raised by Shri A. C. State within a reasonable tune and George and repeatedly asked by Shri that we will not have to wait for Saugata Roy and other members was years and Manipur budget will come about the petrol pump, why it has to this House for discussion. The been mentioned in the Explanatory tenure of the present House is going Memorandum. Of course, it does not to be over on the 5th of next month. look nice to reply to this very minor So, we want an assurance that the point, but it was part of the trading elections will be held within a reason­ measure of the Government. As it able time. could not e implemented in that SHRI DHANIK LAL MANDAL: particular year, naturally in the re­ vised estimate there is a shortfall of That assurance I have given you. Rs. 20 lakhs on both sides, which is SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: Madam reflected---- Chairman, the House is presently dis. punting the budget for Mizoram for SHRI A. C. GEORGE: Our com­ plaint is about the non-implementa­ t3% year 1979-80, the Demands for tion. Grants for five months and also the Supplementary Demands. The gross SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: The expenditure for the year 1979-80 is implementation of this item is not Rs. 71.24 crores, out of which the Vote within the charge of the Ministry of on Account is Rs. 29.68 crores for the Finance. It is for the State adminis­ next five months. tration to do it. It is true that after As the House is well aware, the November 1978 the State of Mizoram elections to the State Assembly of is under President’s Rule, but you Mizoram are going to be held next cannot hold the Finance Ministry res­ month. Therefore, the State Assemb­ ponsible for the non-implementationr ly and the new popular Government of this project which was there will have a chance to recast the already. But it has been held over budget provisions, as it suits them. for next year, and provision has been What we are doing is only a constitu­ made. tional obligation, because the Minis­ try of Finance of the Central Govern­ 15 hi*. .. ment has to get approval from this House for incurring expenditure A criticism has been made that the during this particular period of time. provisions are not adequate for the development of this particular area, I have heard with rapt attention the and it has been said that there are speeches made by the hon. Members various problems which are confront- on the floor of the House and I am ing the development of this area, that thankful to them for making very there is no infra-structure, there are concrete and constructive sugges­ no roads, no communications, no tele­ tions. It is true that they have cover­ communications, no air field, no agri- ed a wide spectrum from jhum cul­ cultural development and so on and tivation to ginger and construction of forth. It will not be possible for m r 329 Mi*oram Budget, FHALGUNA, 30, 1900 CSAKA) Genl Die. D.G. on 330 Account (Mizoram), 79-80 and D.S.G (Mizoram), 78-79 t0 dwell on these points to a great village and small industries in Mizo­ extent because the House is well ram. The outlay for 1979*80 will be aware ol the tradition and conven­ Rs. 48 lakhs. It is proposed to give tions that the Union Territories are all encouragement to agro-based in­ 'administered by the Home Ministry. dustries. The newly set uo Small The proposals are submitted to the Industries Development Corporation Home Ministry. Whatever proposals will be entrusted with the develop­ come to the Finance Ministry have to ment of agro-based industries like •seek their approval. I can assure the fruit preservation and processing of House and the bon. Members inte­ food products, Mini Sugar plant, Saw rested in the development of that part Mill-cum-Wood Seasoning Plant of the country that in whatever pro- during 1979-80. There is a Budget ixjsals are received by the Ministry provision of Rs 5 lakh for prelimi­ for the development of that part of nary works for setting up a ginger the country I shall take personal and plant. Provision has also been made keen interest and see that the deve­ for encouragement of the silk indus­ lopment of Mizoram does not get try. ■hampered. With regard to roads, I may inform SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: What the hon. Members that Government abaut the attitude of the officers is aware of the importance of roads towards the local public- It has to im­ to connect the interior parts of the prove. Union Territory with its Capital and SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: That is with the neighbouring States. The a subject for the Department of Per­ Sixth Plan makes a provision of sonnel. Rs. 20 crores for roads and bridges in the Union Territory. The current Shri Purnanarayan Sinha made a year’s Budget provides Rs. 3 9 crores point with regard to the development and the next year’s Budget also pro- of an air strip. The possibility of vides Rs. 4 crores for roads and developing the existing air strip in bridges. Besides this, there is also a Mizoram is being examined in con­ provision of Rs. 6 crores in the cur­ sultation with the Civil Aviation De­ rent year as well as in the next year partment. There is also a proposal to for construction of border roads by construct a new aerodrome in Mizo­ the Border Roads Development Board. ram. The project has been included in the Sixth Plan. The Survey of Out of the total number of 229 vil­ lages, 110 villages hay* been connect­ India has been asked to take up a detailed survey for this project. ed with roads up to March, 1978. During the Sixth Plan, it is proposed With regard to education facilities, to connect another 100 villages with the Sixth Plan makes a provision of roads. Rs. 70 lakhs for technical education, out of which Rs. 6 lakhs will be for The point regarding shifting cul­ 1979-80. The Polytechnic Institute at tivation has already been dealt with Lunglei will start functioning in by Mr. Mandal. There is a provision 1979-80 with 30 students in Civil En­ of Rs. 5.35 crores in the Sixth Plan, gineering and 15 each in Electrical including Rs. 90 lakhs for 1979-80. and Mechanical Engineering. In the During 1979-80, public health centres Industy sector, it is proposed to im­ at Kolasib and Biate will be upgraded part, through the rural industry cen­ as 30-bed hospitals. It is also pro­ tre at Aizawari basis engineering and posed to start new public health cen­ industrial skills to rural artisans. tres at five more places. The hospi­ With regard to agro-industries, the tal at Aizawi will also be upgraded Sixth Plan makes a provision of as a State hospital. HosDitals in four Rs. 3.23 crores for development of other places will also be improved. a *i M izon m Budget, G e n l MAftCH 21, 19f9 Mizoram A ppropiim d 44* Dis., D.G. on Account ,l Vote on AtSmtt) mti Mizoram, 79-90 and D.S.G. (MizOram), 78-79 The Budget lor the next year pro­ “T£at the re?psctiv* sums not vide? Rs. 14.4 lakhs lor conWoi of expeeflwi the smounts on Revenue Tuberculosis. Accomnt and Capital Account shown So far as the question, of infiltrs- in the third column of tty* Order tioa sad the political aspects of tfee Papei; be granfcd to th* President problem are concerned, they have out of the Consolidated Fund of the been highlighted by my friend sad Union Territory qf Mfcoragm, on they have been replied to properly. account for or towards defraying the charges during the year ending With regard to Ginger cultivation on the Slst day of March, 1980, m and marketing facilities .that baa respect of the heads of demands als0 been replied to. I need not take entered in the second column theie- much time of the House on that. of against Demands Nos. 1 to 41.” With regard to water supply, there The motion was adopted. is a provision of Rs. 8 crores m the Sixth Plan, out of which Rs. 2.5 crores MR CHAIRMAN: I shall now pat is for 1879-80. There is an acute the Supplementary Demands for shortage of drinking water. Almost Grants (Mizoram) to vote: all the villages in Mizoram are on the hill tops and water sources ate avail­ The question is: able only down below. Therefore, “That the respective Supplemen­ drinking water supply is being given tary sums not exceeding the importance during the Sixth Plan. At amounts on Revenue Account and present Aizawl and Lunglel towns Capital Account shown in the third are provided with regular water sup­ column of the Order Paper, be ply. In seven villages water supply granted to the President out of the schemes have been completed. During Consolidated Fund of the Union the Sixth Plan period, it is pronosed Territory of Mizoram to defray the to provide water supply to 220 vil­ charges that will come in course lages besides increasing the water of payment during the year ending aupply in towns like Aizawl, Lunglel on the Slst day of March, 1979 in and Saiha. respect o£ the following demands During 1079-80 it is nroposed to entered m the second column there­ take up water supply schemes for 28 of— villages and also a scheme for aug­ Demands Nos. 4, 5, 7 to 12, 18, 17, menting water supply in Aizawl. to 22, 28, 28 to 32, 34 t0 37 arid 99 I have very briefly dwelt upon to 41." certain points that have been raised The rrfition was adopted* by the hon. Members. It is neither possible nor desirable to reply to each and every point. 1 have taken notes 15.08 hrs. of whatever sentiments the hon. mem­ bers have expressed here and what­ MIZORAM APPROPRIATION ever the Finance Ministry can do for (VOTE ON ACCOUNT) BILL, 1979* the development of this charming THE MINISTER OF STATE IN part of the country will be done. I THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE can assure the hon. Members that I (SHRI SATISH AGARWAL): I beg will do my level best to come to help to move for leave to introduce a Bill of Mizoram. to provide for the withdrawal of cer­ MR. CHAIRMAN: The question tain sums from and out of the Con­ is: solidated Fund of the Union Territory

"Published in Gazette of India Extraordinary Part II, section dated 21-8-1979. « * M M F B U C IM A », W » ^AKA)Pmjr t ItortK 33# (Vote on Ac- count) Bill —) Amdt.) Bill Of M »of am ft# the service* ol a P « * force iii the Uaion Territory off of ftwnctel y^kt *9W-«0. Delhi, he taken into consideration.** HR. CflAl&fcAtf: H ie question is: “Thai leave be granted to intro­ Witti your permission, for the m m w duce a Bill to provide for the with­ nation of the- bon. Mem&eirs of this* drawal of certain sums from and House, I would like to briefly taaim cut of the Consolidated Fund of a statement with regard to this BUft the Union territory of Mizoram for as to why it was necessary tat1 the Pre­ the services of a part of the finan­ sident to issue an Ordinance art* cial year 1979-80.” hence this present BilL The motion 10a* adopted. SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: I in- The Union Territory of Dedhi dfr troducet the Bill. not have any Excise Act of their e # » and accordingly the Punjab E&rift* 15.10 hnt. Act, 1914, end amendments made to It MIZORAM APPROPRIATION BILL have been extended to the Union* Ter­ 1979* ritory of Delhi by notification*' issued) THE MlNiSTER OF STATE IN under Section 7 of the Delhi Law* THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE Act, 1912 and Section 2 ot the Unioz* (Sietl SATISH AGARWAL) : Territories (Laws) Act, 1959 with the I beg to move for leave to introduce necessary restrictions and modiflca-- a Bill to authorise payment and ap­ tibns. This Act as modified regulates; propriation of certain further sums inter alia, the sale of intbxftants 1ft* from and out of the Consolidated two methods, namely, licensing* and Fund of the Union territory of Mizo­ taxation. As for taxation is concern1- ram for the services of the financial ed, Section 18 of the Act provides1 thafc year 1978^79. no intoxicant shall be imported, ex— MR. CHAIRMAN: The question is: ported or transported except attar payment of any duty to which it may “That leave granted to intro­ be liable under this Act or execution duce a Bill to authorise payment of a bond for sueh payment, and fees and approjpriation of certain further compliance with such conditions *0 sums from and out of the Conso­ the Lt. Governor of Delhi may 2m*' lidated Fund of the ‘Qpion territory of Mizoram for the services of the pose. Similarly, Section 23 lays dom* financial year 1978-79." prohibition of removal of intoxicant fhrtn any distillery, brewery, ware­ The motion wo* adopted. .. house ot other place of storage tittles* SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: the duty, if any, payable undtr I introduoe the Bill. Chftptet 7 has bean paid or a bobdl has been executed ftir the payment 15.12 Turn. thereof. Section 31 Of the said Act 1* PUNJAB tEXUibto (DELHI A&END- Chapter V provides for the impori- MBM$) BILL tion of excise duty, or countei vafling; duty at such rate or rates as the Lt. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN Governor of Delhi would direct

IShri Satish Agarwal] applied to levy on other types of liquor. Besides the heavy losses of Wine Merchants in the Union Ter­ revenue, refund of the duties col­ ritory of Delhi, M/s Sat Pal & Co. lected earlier would enable the licen- and others filed a civil writ petition cees to reap windfall benefits of the in the High Court of Delhi chal­ portion of the duty already borne by lenging Sections 16, 23 and 31 of the the consumers. But the judgment of Punjab Excise Act, 1914, as extended, the hon. Court has to be read in its to the Union Territory of Delhi a* wider perspective inasmuch as it in­ well as Delhi Excise Duty Order, directly ran counter to the prohibi­ 1976 Their main argument was that tion policy of the Government of jno countervailing duty on liquor im­ India, The main philosophy behind ported could be levied if no liquor is imposition of heavy duties on liquors manufactured in the State. The hon. imported in Delhi was to discourage Court after admitting that the excisc the mass consumption of intoxicants duty and the countervailing duty are as a part of the general policy of the two distinct concepts, declared that Government on prohibition. ono duty could be imposed or import­ ed articles when articles similar to Having taken this into consideration those are not manufactured within the and as the matter was of immediate State. They further declared the il­ importance from the points of view legality of the countervailing duty mentioned above, the President pro­ ^collected by the Union Territory of mulgated an Ordinance, the Punjab Delhi from wine merchants in res­ Excise (Delhi Amendment) Ordi­ pect of country liquor removed from nance, 1979, on 20-1-1979 which im­ the bonded warehouses licensed in mediately came into force. In ordi­ Delhi for sale by them. The hon. nary circumstances the necessary Court also issued writ of mandamus Bill would have been moved in the -calling upon the Delhi Administra­ Parliament, but as the Parliament tion to refund to wine merchants was not in session, the need for pro­ •within three months from the date of mulgation of the Ordinance by the the judgment the entire amount of President arose t0 achieve the twin •countervailing duty collected from purpose of avoiding loss to the exche­ them. In their judgment the Court quer and an adverse impact on the relied mainly upon the observations prohibition policy of the Government of the Supreme Court in 1966 in of India. Kalyani Stores Vs. State of Orissa and others. In the said judgment, The Ordinance has amended siui> the Supreme Court had accepted that ably Section 3 and 31 of the Punjab countervailing duty can only be Excise Act, 1914, as in force in the levied if similar goods are actually Union Territory of Delhi not only to produced or manufactured in the validate duties levied in the past but State on which excise duties are being also to empower collection of such levied. duties in future. Section 3 has also amended the definition of excisable 1514 hrs. article so as to include within its JMh. D e p u t y -S peaker in the Chair] scope ‘spirit* in order to validate duties levied in the past and also in The immediate effect of the judg­ respect of future. Section 31 of the ment would have been a loss of Rs. 7 Act does not specify the ceiling in crores in the current year and more respect of the duty which could be than Rs. 75 crores on the refund of imposed on any excisable article. levy from 1950 onwards on country New Schedule 1A has been added to liquor alrtne. This loss would be the Act so as to empower the Lt. ananifold If the same principles are Governor of Delhi to impose on any 337 B&tee PHALGUNA 80, 1900 (SAKA) (Delhi Amctt.) Bill 338

excisable article duty at such rates world, in every country wherever s>s not exceeding the maximum speci­ such in attempt was made, including fied in the Schedule. India, that any .policy to bring about temperance by law fails. In India The present Bill seeks to replace itself, in Bombay, the present Prime the said Ordinance. Copies of the Minister, when he was the Chief Min­ Ordinance along with a statement ister of Bombay, tried to introduce under sub-rule (1) of rule 71 of the prohibition, and we saw what happen­ Rules of procedure and Conduct of ed in Bombay. The amount of illicit Business in Lok Sabha have already distillation, the industry of illicit dis­ been placed before the House. tillation, that grew was so shocking that it spoiled and corrupted not only Hon. Members will agree that the the police force but the entire adminis­ august objective of further amend­ tration. because illicit distillation is ing the Punjab Excise Act, 1914, as one which can be produced in any in force in the Union Territory of house, in every home. And you can­ Delhi providing the levy and collec­ not put a Policeman in front of every tion of a special duty by the Delhi house. All that you need is some Administration on any |excisable jaggery and you will be amazed that article including alcoholic liquor and the price of jaggery and gur which is spirit is in conformity with the gene­ produced on a large scale in Maha­ ral thinking of this House on the rashtra in the sugar factories and Government policy on prohibition. other places went up because iaggery Since the consumption, except for was imported in places like Bombay medical purposes, of such articles and round about that region for illicit would be injurious to health and the distillation. 1 would like to know from levy of special duty on the importa­ this government. How are you going tion of such articles in Delhi would to stop illicit distillation in this coun­ be an endeavour towards bringing about try’ What measures do you have in prohibition of the consumption of such mind to stop it? If you increase the intoxicants, the present Bill is seek­ Police force, all we know how meagre­ ing to achieve the objectives laid down ly the Policemen are paid. We know in the Directive Principles of the to-day in this country the law and State Policy as enshrined in Part IV order situation is completely in ruin of the Constitution of India. and has collapsed. Why? Because the Policemen do not find their heart Sir, I move. in their job. When this is an ordinary situation of law and order, you are MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Motion going to give another impetus by in­ moved: troducing this draconian measure. The "That the Bill further to amend object may be laudable, but, for a the Punjab Excise Act, 1914, as in laudable objective, if the remedy is force in the Union territory of Delhi, wrong, then instead of curing the dis­ be taken into consideration.” ease, you will only be aggravating it. Mr. Vasant Sathe. Your object is prohibition. The best way is to educate the people and to SHRI VASANT SATHE (Akola): I bring about temperance. Instead of want to take the opportunity, while doing that, you want to do it by law. speaking on this Bill, to discuss the What are you doing by such laws? In ontiTe prohibition policy of the Gov­ fact you are not introducing prohibi­ ernment which the Bill aims at ful­ tion. You are not saying that in Delhi filling. I am one of those who believe you are going to stop these articles Sincerely that the vice of drink should from coming into Delhi. All that you be eliminated and minimised. But it are saying is that we are going to has been the experience all over the impose a duty and the cat came out of 339 P&niab Excise MAUfcH 21, l*f» (Delhi 4* At. M U ) 34*

[Shri Vasant Sathe] havihg less than 06 nfacK perttefnta** or havhig more thtfri so mttdi p#reenfc- the bag, the moment you said, ‘We are age of alcohol. S6>.SM juice lofting Rs. 7 drores and retrospectively, is hereafter banned. we would lose Rs. 70 crores'. That means your entire object is financial. —you know fufly well. Ask the* You want t6 gain this Rs. 7 crores and genttahtm sitting behind you. He will you want to save Be. 70 crores. There­ tdl you—that ori Holi Day with fore, you are levying this duty. You Thandbyi every one takes a Uttlfc are levying duty on every type of Bhang. Tim other day the Prime Min­ article that you have mentioned. ister himself is reported to lwkve said that he does not consider Bhang to I would like to knew the articles come within the purview 6t ptrfhibition. mentioned here. One is country liquor. Then, if it doe* not, why have you Then plain liquor, ordinary spiced included Bhang and Also cider? 2 want liquor, special spiced liquor, Plain to know from you. And tlien, to add when issued to troops, Spiced liquor to all this, see Wem 12— including special liquor when issued to troops.. Any other intoxicating drug other than those mentioned above. What is SHSAl K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN the rate? Rs. 30 per kg. What is (Badagara): Something is missing. this—‘other drugs'? Mr. Finance Minis­ ter, 1 would like to know what are the SHRI VASANT SATHE; I am com­ other intoxicating drugs? ing to that. SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN: What Then Indian made rum issued to about their intoxicating substances? troops. I am coming to the troops issue also. Then Rectified spirit or SHRI VASANT SATHE: I am told absolute alcohol. All other sorts of that you are now propagating the liquor including Indian Made Foreign philosophy of ‘Chhodo Sharab Aur Liquor except denatured spirit and Peevo. . I am told by the Naturopa­ special denatured spirit. Spirituous thies that the drug or the one which preparations including essence but the hon. Prime Minister of this country other than Medicinal and Toilet Pre­ is propagating has a greet intoxicating parations as defined in the Medicinal quality—it has more than four per cent and Toilet Preparations (Excise Duties) intoxicating qualtiy. Are you going to Act, 1955. Denatured spirit. Special ban that? Are you going to touch that? denatured spirit. Indian Beer contain­ Is that included in item Mb. 12? ing 5 per cent or less alcohol. I do not understand this. I would like to know I would like to know what is the from the hon Minister. Has he ever view of this Government on Shivambu taken beer having less than 5 per cent which is being propagated in this Alcohol? If he has had, did it have country—water of ttfe—‘‘Brink your any adverse effect on him? What are own in the morning with cheers’. What you doing about9 Then Indian Beer are you going to do about all that? containing alcohol more than 5 per tent. Cider. Imagine cider has been Sir, I would also like to know the brought under excise. policy of this Government? By this bill your whole objective of achieving, SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: I do not prohibition is going to be negatived. know cider. You know every thing. You are going to say ‘pay this money and then you can bring it'. You are not SHRI VASANT SATHE; Himachal banning it. You are only asking them Pradesh produces apple juice. This is to pay. So, is this the policy of the Gov­ cider. You have not mentioned Cider ernment that in this country, that 341 t&AXJSmA M, itob <$AKA) (Delhi Am & > fi*U 34*.

ptfcei oh the ffifcft 3i< |u tt, th« country State—Rajasthan—they are not going liquor and «H adits of therfe articles to or they are not expected to imple­ wfcfch you have m&ttiohed iri the &B) ment the iotal pfohfbitfon policy. THen wm be increased? why are you bringing in this Bill? Be honest and say that you want to earn In the budget, the hon. Finance revenue. This is what you a*e saying. Minister has not imposed any duty on If you are honest enough to say that liquor? He hag not enhanced it. (In- Delhi must have revenue then say that tetruptioni). Indeed, he is very wise. you will tax anything that is coming Now you are indirectly getting a note from Punjab or outside. You jare not on Shivambu. saying that It is doubly taxed. Punjab will have its levy and when it SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: Why enters Delhi, it will have its separate are you worried about it ? tax. And you will increase the price of this country liquor and all these SHRI VASANT SATHE* I just want articles. Now, even m regard to to know what are you going to do about troops. Have you met any military Bhang* How much percentage of al­ man in Ladakh. In the cold regions cohol does this contain? I am glad the only thing which helps a military Mr. Minister you are now being edu­ man keep wram is rum. If you deprive cated. Now the knowledgeable man, a military man of rum you will des­ Shri Kanwar Lai Gupta has and troy his morale. You cannot tell him: he will tell you what does that contain. Sip Shivambu. Therefore, I protest Beer, I know, contains not les than S against this circumscribed Bill. T hts per cent alcohol. Is the beer contain­ bill is a fraud on prohibition. This ing 2 per cent alcohol not a dnnk at bill will touch even ordinary liquor all? Does this do any intoxication? and make it costlier thereby encourag­ It only clears your bowels. And you ing illicit liquor. That is why it will will not suffer from kidney trouble and defeat the whole purpose. It is counter no dialysis will be needed later on. to the aims and object mentioned therein. Therefore, 1 oppose this Bill* Therefore I would like you to take Do not pursue fads Be honest. Ask the whole of the prohibition policy a tot revenue, we will give it to you. little bit seriously. I think that this government is being run by fadg and phobias. That is where my grievance * * toft mb m&r m ww«r wnrc % is. There is this Indira Phobia and how to get Hd of her or bow to finish t ft f waft tjt » «r»rc Her. For that you want to have a «n? wra tfr * irmr special court. Why have the Shivambu tfWr *ft #1 fadS? *mr

SHRI VASANT SATHE: Whatever im : # *mr wm wx tst you may call it. Can you run the IT • Government by fads? 1 would like to know that. The whole objective that ifcr**p»r • urns* i$ contained in the bill runs counter i ftaft wroft »n*f 15 at and that is why I say that this Bill 1% 11 fmm tot deserves to be thrown out and reject­ ed by the House. You are not honest enough. H you are honest to have bltlon, however absurd it fcnay be, #(Ni «n$ : do you force tjiat by this Biir $’ tine* 1b w it wtastor* r hon. Minister ga£d that in his own % i 34 3 Punjab Excise MARCH 21, 1979 (Delhi Arndt. Bill) 344

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[Shri Vasant Sathel all Ms democratic utterances, is- vtftfr eager to disqualify many lrnportant Mr. Bala Pajanor and all our friends journalists of Delhi, but has he ever from AIADMK are sitting here. With applied his mind for propagating the fill my friendship with them, I would prohibition policy through till* mass like to inform them, in their State the media and lor educating the people in prohibition has been introduced and this respect? Not at all. The people the required legislation has been pas­ of Punjab, who feed this nation more sed, but if tomorrow Shri M. G. than any other State, consume the Ramachandran, Chief Minister Madras highest quantity of liquor also. The gets angry with shri Bala Pajanor or farmers of Punjab feed this nation, any other Member here, in no time, there the production of foodgrains is they will land themselves in jail. It the highest but at the same time, they would said that they were found drunk consume liquor also. There is a rela­ there. The news will go round that tion with the climatic conditions as they have landed themselves in jail also the productivity. As I said, you because of this, but nobody will know must reduce the alcoholic content and what the facts are. The police can reduce its price, that would prevent the make money at any time they like. I distillation of illicit liquor also am not saying anything against the Chief Minister of Madras; he is a very sincere person and very much devoted I am President of workers’ Union to the cause. I am only saying this to of a brewery; they produce whisky illustrate that there are such loopholes also. They have got a factory in Bibar. which can lead to corruption. If total prohibition comes there, what In our country, the prohibition has will happen to the investment of been experimented in Madras and seven crores that they have made on many other States, but it has encourag­ that factory. You must, therefore, ed illicit distillation in those places, it proceed in a systematic way and your is there even in Delhi. How many approach should be practical and scientific For the time being, you deaths have taken plac? because of this’ The problem should be looked should reduce the alcoholic content in the beer and simultaneously propagate at with a little more consideration to the s k il aspect. In the Soviet Union for total prohibition. I object to the they have gone on with a big campaign. present approach of the Government They have increased the levy on votka strongly. You have to consider the and have lowered the content of al­ revenue aspect. What alternative cohol m beer and made it cheaper. sources of revenue you should have, that has to be considered. Such a Bill SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: What is not going to help you much in your is vodka? prohibition policy.

SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: How does Shri Sathe has talked about the the Deputy-Speaker know? urine therapy. In Europe, especially MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It is a in America, many people ask Indians, Russian vegetable. if they followed the Prime Minister in this respect. There was a television SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Votka is a interview^ sH3wn in America. The Soviet drink. The price of this drink Prime Minister spoke to the people in has gone up there and meanwhile, the America about urine therapy. Ame­ alcoholic content of the beer has been rican people are not Interested in urine reduced and they have started a mass therapy. I fell definitely ashamed •^education programme. Now, look feqW when people from America come and many minutes are we spending lor tell Us that t^e Indian Prime Minister propagating prohibition on our tele­ apoke to them for hali-an-bour on urine vision anti radio. Shri Advani, with therapy. 34$ Pw&to Msadte PH A LG U N A *0, IW> l&AKA) (Delhi A m ity Mill 350

SHRI VASANT SATHE: On BBC # g g < w y rr totr f t *nr ft v w t f d 4tvt* a lso . tft OTISt Wt VS*f f f a «B^TT ? *PBT *w r ft 1 fa wk SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: Spending ^ wnft *ftr *ft nine vlf irftw fwir tt »U the money to go to Europe and VXHT I, TO VPT VWffc fft America—for speaking to them on , ?it A ^ ?tt fr ft? «ftit America. They complained to me vfcrr ? ?ft ’swr ?ft v^rrr, The Prime Minister represents this trap a fim % «fk ^fr xniiftftr, nation and this Parliament. He re­ arrrnc, *rar ^ ’frfhrw presents the views of the people of w rm % mu; ?rpt snrm fn ^ India. Don’t think I am speaking (btttw It ^nmr t t jhttt «nRrr 1 1 w against Prohibition. I a:n only draw­ ?w inwif rfift ?t¥ %WT H ing attention to its financial implica­ tiK wrsnm c t * n * i v r ^ fw?^pr tions. Mr. Piloo Mody says that he iRrnrsr ^ 1 JTT*r*ft*r hts ^nn^r, iftr ww will fight for the right to drink. (In­ ip it vittw Thfrr m s * qr vrhff terruptions) wKf^ifT v t w t d w firiWt 1 w*n: ftfTT *r.m «rrw «ft ^TWfir«nc SHRI VASANT SATHE: Half of the fjrpw fft 2, 4 wnrfitift ihwrfiwr cabinet drinks. It has been admitted ^pp?ft ^ 1 VipfT ir^’gr ^ ft> wt publicly. wae ¥7 t w ^nftnpA f>r v w V T T HTVTX ’TTfRft ^ fft SHRI VAYALAR RAVI I only say ft 1 ^ nt arr «ft that the Prohibition Policy has to be fT^ t f^ITT g ft? w tfX fr.x wfrf more reasonable. For the benefit of % wr «pt f?RTf>i»T sifr ?t «^»n, im *r? ft the many people who drink, I want to mm wwt w* wx fip w n f «ft# quote a Poem: ot?t, 2 smrar * ft wst »ft mr^ft « “He who dnnks, get drunk; ip t t ^ ^ s t r »pt shnretw *Ft wrc He who get drunk, goes to sleep I ?ft ffr'JtdH Vt ^8TT | I He who goes to sleep does not sin; *r$twT ^rreft, «ld*i s[5 %nps # He who does not sin goes to Heaven; firinr 1 ’B^nr-^m r, %?ht ^t w& vth *rra, mifanp, hthp^v ’FTfH So let us all drink and go to ?rw crap ft n?r, fftrpet ft Heaven.” vmw$$fc*r v% f%?rwt $ ?Tvr ^ »nr ^r»nrr | » ^ 1 w* t f t sftrfwr f w ^r>6r fr^ rt nft nwrww ft iftr hut* vir»ft wan 1 *ft TTif «r# ijbtt* %m n * «9fRr,fTT «rrrm, t o i w r v t ?tt | f«RT «ft ■stow | 1 iffwr tffrr *ft qi in fo *fto ^fto w t v t w t ^ 7 t ^ t » wm w m fc, faftwr ft? w * ^fwm ^ «#k vtwt- q^Tftwr nrrwfcft m wr tr ftWBT ♦ It ?T^t W9T I ^ « r 1 1 wt ifrr ircnr f *rT?r

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♦SHRI A. K. SAHA (Vidraupur): Mr. need to undertake schemes which will Deputy-Speaker, Sir. the hon. Finance help improve the economic condition Minister has introduced the Punjab of the poorer sections of society. If (Delhi Amendme it) Excise Bill in this these people can get all the opportu­ House. While supporting the Bill I nities that a society offers to its mem­ cannot resist expressing my surprise bers and if their lot is improved eco­ that the parent BiU dates back to 1914 nomically then they would themselves and the present amendment is sought not take to wine. Shri Ravi was to be implemented in Delhi in 1979 i . e . rightly saying that there are many after nearly 65 years, in the Objects States in the country who are not and Reasons the Minister has slated opposed to prohibition but they want that the Government was forced to in­ that they should be paid the money troduce this Bill after a lapse of 65 that they earn through the sale of wine years because the Delhi Administra­ so that they can utilise the money for tion had met with a defeat in the court the purpose of developmental work. in a case and as a result of the court The West Bengal Government had verdict the Government would be re­ also conveyed to the Centre their wil­ quired to pay nearly Rs. 75 crores as lingness to implement the policy of compensation. I fail to understand prohibition provided the Centre must why it has taken such a long time for compensate the loss that they would be the Government to plug the loophole suffering as a result thereof. Unfor­ and obviously they had failed to initiate tunately, the Central Government did timely action when the Supreme Court not do anything in the matter I decision was given. would therefore suggest that if the 16.05 h rs . Central Government is really serious

flSHRi N. K. ShejwalkAr t n t h e to implement the policy of prohibition C h a i r ) . then they will have to take a positive step m this regard and the matter can While introducing the Bill, the hon. be discussed by them with the Chief Minister has said that the present Ministers and a decision taken legislation would help introduce prohi­ bition. We are not against prohibition The present bill seeks to impose as such but we feel that merely by excise duty on many items and one of introducing such bills we would not be them is cider t.e. apple juice Shri able to achieve our objective A little Sathe has referred to this item. I do while ago, hon. Member Shri Kanwar not know what percentage of alcohol Lai Gupta was saying that this Bill it contains but if it really does not would discourage the poor people contain alcohol then I will request the from taking wine. It is true that the hon. Minister to exempt this item from poorer sections of the society whose the purview of this Bill We cannot income is meagre spend a good lot of forget the fact that apples are grown their income and at times the entire by the poor people in hills and they income on wine. This is a serious consume its juice also. If we tax this problem no doubt but the Government item then we would really be taxing have never cared to go deep into the the poor in the hills and enhance their matter to find out the causes which hardships. The Bill also makes a compel a poor man to spend all his mention about the intoxicating drugs. earnings on wine alone. Instead of In this connection I would like to sub­ depending entirely on legislation it is mit that these drugs are taken by necessary that a programme of social many in the form of medicine and not education should be undertaken to for the sheer pleasure of being intoxi­ create necessary awareness among cated. Very often a person who these people about the banes of drink­ suffers from acute pain takes such ing. But still more important is the drugs and if we are going to tax this

*Yhe original speech was delivered in Bengali. 4813 LS—-12 355 Punjab Excise MARCH U. 1979 (Delhi Arndt. BUI) 356

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[Shri C- K. Chandrappan] open market. The people who are pointed out, why should you impose drinking have their own reasons for this levy on the cider? drinking. They would like to drink something. There is no reason why the SHRi SATISH AGARWAL: No. Government with all its policies do not allow the common people to get some SHRI C. K, CHANDRAPPAN: It is cheap liquor with less alcoholic con­ not a liquor in that sense. You are tent so that they will not become vic­ not very familiar with drinks. That tims of liquor poison. is the problem. You have to go on the basis of certain briefs. But we, AN HON. MEMBER: Toddy. who have experience in that, say that it is not a liquor. Such anomalies are SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: there in the Bill. You should remove Toddy is ideal. that sermons from the Bill. SHRI VASANT SATHE: You eat SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: Does any number of grapes in the night so the cider contain some alcohol? that in the whole night, it is fermented in your body and you drink the resi­ SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN. For due that matter, even Arishtas and Asavas contain alcohol. But it is not liquor. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: That I do not know the percentage of he will not say. There are others in alcohol. the Ministry who may say that.

SHRI VASANT SATHE: Otherwise, So, my request to the hen Minister ever an c.duury uicj will contain is, you kindly take the spirit of the alcohol. discussion. Actually, the House is extending the support to the Bill but SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN opposing the sermon part and certain (Madurai) The j 1:? certain medicines anomalies in the Bill. which contain alcohol. If you compare the content of alcohol in Cider with With these words, I conclude. the content of alcohol in the medicines, you will find that the content of alcohol sft ifte aft® m i (^nrnrr ) : fltnrofa in Cider is less than what is in the m p r v t ^ t r t wngnr we experienced in Bihar. In Bihar, 3RT $*T # i there was a big human tragedy, where poor miners, hundreds of them died, « & WRW *T # ?ft*r 3WI?t BilP It is only t0 regularise the $ * wrmr ^ *rt >St countervailing duty imposed by the fr^rn ftwrf ^ P r ^ 3?rvt wtw ?r^f ?w t i Delhi Admmistartion on the country fl¥»f f8»ftU^ffllSRTT^ fviTT ^ ? W #*FT liquor in Delhi which was being levied «m 5rawt ®nft lafrtf jwsht i 4 «ft fnpir g fv for several years (Interruptions) Yes, wr Hwnwr 5mT i mvw for more than 25 years It is true that vrj»r Ir *nfr fW t i v * # *r r w 'ft somebody challenged it m the High *rf^*TT w»7*H

[Shri Satish Agarwal] objective of this Bill, i.e., to replace support it. It is only primarily take this Ordinance. That is the primary that particular levy. objective. But, incidentally, it has been mentioned—not in the Statement SIIRI VASANT SATHE: Correct. of Objects and Reasons—but in the Preamble—I do not deny that but that SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: That '

country are not for prohibition. But and there will be other impedi­ by and large the major mass of this ments. I d0 not deny all that. They country is in favour of prohibition. 1 have to be overcome, Because the^e can tell you that I had been to Almora are going to be problems, we cannot last year. There were hundreds of leave or spare or we cannot diverse Jadieg and children—I am here talking the ’audable objectives, 1 ma.y not about Almora—who very much ap­ agree there. The hon. Membcis of preciated th.s policy of prohibition. I this House have agreed with this am talking about those labour class principle and all the political parties people. The hon. Member said that in this country agree with that I sup­ it is for some pleasure making, some pose. I am not aware that Mr. Sathe entertainment It is this which makes has anything to give. The Congress the people poor and all that. It is Party or the Congress(l) said that they true. But what about the affluent so­ are not against this bill on prohibition. ciety I had boon to States and there Of course they had been preaching was a conference of many countries. about prohibition. The c n'y onp sing1? point lhat was raised was in regard to the narcotic- SHRI VASANT SATHE: We are drucs anr’ aH thnt The whole coun­ fcli H for it but not by law. try -s very nvirh v'D’”*iod about it. Thp future* erneration is ^oing t^ be SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: You spoilt by that. It is a rrat'er of con­ had been doing that before two years. viction in every country independent­ Wh.it 'vas the Government in Gujarat? ly. It is not going to be of a univer­ It «'is thr Congress Government sal application. which did it. SHRI VASANT SATHE: But it Vegetarianism is becoming popular failed. in many foreign countries. Your opi­ nions may differ. I agree. There are SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: That going to be impediments; there are is a different matter. You have to difficulties in the implementation of make efforts for the laudable objec­ prohibition policy. This is a social tives You mav fail. That does not legislation. 1 personally feel that that matter. You have to do that sincerely. social legislation has to be accepted This Government hag been doing it by the society by and large. What is sincerely, and is trying to introduce the fate of the Untouchability Act? prohibition. What is the fate of the Child Marriage Restraint Act? What is the fate of SHRI VASANT SATHE: Wisemen the Anti-Dowry Act and what is the learn by experience. But fools per­ fate of the Anti-debt fees act? These sist. are social legislations. That does not mean that we should not legislate. SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: Mr. That does not mean that we should Chairman he was talking about Shiv­ not go ahead in that direction; that ambu. I do not want to dilate on that. does not mean that we should stop That is not a part of the Bill. somewhere. SHRI VASANT SATHE; Will you Of course, the objective is laudable. agree t0 delete the proviso in the Pre­ It is a part of the Directive Prin­ amble? ciples of the Constitution which every State Government is bound to follow SHRI SATISH AGARWAL; For the and is bound t0 implement and it information of Mr. Sathe, I can tell is a part and as part, of the legisla­ you that even in England he can get tion, -this is being done. Of course, urine therapy. It is a part of medicine there are problems of illicit distillation, in many parts of the world. I have There will be problem of corruption read some book on that. If he is so 367 Punjab Excise MARCH 81, 1979 (Delhi Am&t. M U ) g6g

IShri Satish Agarwal] MR, CHAIRMAN: Mr. Sathe, you much interested in shivambu I can tell must have moved an amendment to him that that is not the policy of Gov­ that effect. There is none. ernment and that is not a part of the present bill. Government has not SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: I have adopted that as part of the medicinal already clarified that that is not Hie treatment; nor as a medical science, primary objective of the Bill. The allopathy homoeopathy or ayurvedic. Delhi Administartion on its own is go­ Urine therapy is not a part of any of ing to introduce their prohibition po­ the systems adopted by Government; licy. They are doing that way. This It may be with some one and there bill does *ot go that way. are other people in this country. I know hundreds of years ago the urine MR. CHAIRMAN: The question it: of a calf was used for treatment for “That the Bill further to amend s0 many ailments. That is a different the Punjab Excise Act, 1914 as in matter 1 am not here to dilate on force in the Union Territory of that point. I say that this Is not some, Delhi, be taken into consideration/’ thing new It is in vogue in many countries, particularly, in England. I The motion was adopted. know that urine therapy is to some extent popular m various parts of MR CHAIRMAN: There are no England and they use it. There are amendments We take up clause by doctors who are prescribing urine clause consideration of this Bill therapy. That is a different science I I shall put Clauses 2 to7 to the vote. am not here to discuss all that. Mr Sathe has made a very valid point. 1 SHRI VAYALAR RAVI. Please put beg of him that he should be serious the clauses separately You may put on certain issues. It is a question of the Preamble separately. revenue m the current year Rs. 75 crore9 worth of revenue. I am sure MR CHAIRMAN: You want the Mr Sathe or any other Member does Preamble to be put separate^ not hold a brief for any of the liquor vendors that this revenue should be SHRI VAYALAR RAVI: I want given to them I am very happv to the Preamble to be put up separately. know about it I think the hon. Mem­ bers hare supported the provisions of SHRI SATISH AGARWAL: There this Bill. With these words—whatever is no amendment. That cannot be other points that were made are not done now. I shall clarify the position. relevant to this Bill—I seek considera­ There is no intention on the part of tion of this Bill bv this House and to Government to give any sermons to pass it unanimously. anybody. SHRI VASANT SATHE* I would MR. CHAIRMAN; That point can like to know from the hon Minister be taken up later on. If you want to whether he would agree to remove say something regarding the Preamble that preamble you may do so, MR. CHAIRMAN: Whether you SHRI VASANT SATHE; We want agree or you do not agree, there can­ to say something on the Preamble and not be deletion. so that can be taken up separately. SHRI VASANT SATHE: I want to know about the deletion of the Pre­ MR. CHAIRMAN: I follow your amble If he does it we will support. point. This Bill ia for revenue. If you do «o delete that, then we will be forced Now I shall put the Clauses 2 to 7 to the vote of the House. to oppose the Sill. rm tn> Csotx PKAIGUNA *», 1*80

The Question is: Dan we, Shri Pundalik Hari “That Clauses 2 to 7 stand part Digvijoy Narain Singh, Shri of the Bill.” Durga Chand, Shri The motion toot adopled. Ganga Singh, Shri Clauses 2 to 7 were added to the Bill. Gattani Shri R. D. MR. CHAIRMAN: I will put Pre­ Gupta, Shri Kanwar Lai amble separately to the vote of the Hazari, Shri Ram Sewftk House. Now, I put Clause 1 and the Jaiswal, Shri Anant Ram Enacting Formula to the vote of the Kapoor, Shri L. L. House. Khan, Shri Kunwar Mahmud All The question is: Krishan Kant, Shri “That Clause 1 and the Enacting Liaquat Hussain, Shri Syed Formula stand part of the Bill.” Machhand, Shri Raghubir Singh The motion was adopted. Mahal, Shri K. L. Clause land the Enacting Formula Mangal Deo, Shri were added to the Bill. Mankar, Shri Laxman Rao MR. CHAIRMAN: Now, the ques­ Manohar Lai, Shri tion is: Mathur, Shri Jagdish Prasad ‘That the Preamble stand part of Mehta, Shri A jit Kumar the Bill.” Mhalgi, Shri R. K. The Lok Sabha divided: Miri, Shri Govind Ram Murmu, Father Anthony Division No. 7] [16.58 hrs Onkar Singh, Shri Pandit, Dr. Vasant Kumar AYES Paraste, Shri Dalpat Singh Abdul Lateef, Shri Parmar, Shri Natwarlal B. Agarwal, Shri Satish Patwary, Shri H. L. Amat, Shri D. Pardhan, Shri Gananath Argal, Shri Chhabiram Raghavji, Shri Balbir Singh, Chowdhry Rai, Shri Gauri Shankar Baldev Prakash, Dr. Raj Keshar Singh, Shri Banatwalla, Shri G. M. Ram Charan, Shri Berwa, Shri Ram Kanwar Ram Dhan, Shri Bhanwar, Shri Bhagirath Ram Kinkar, Shri Birendra Prasad, Shri Ramachandran, Shri P. Chakravarty, Prof. Dilip Ramapati Singh, Shri Chandan Singh, Shri Ramjiwan Singh, Shri Chandra Pal Singh. Shri Rao, Shri Raje Vishveshvar Charan Narzary, Shri Rathor, Dr, Rhagwan Dass Chaturbhuj, Shri Sai, Shri Larang Chaudhary, Shri Motibhai R. Saran, Shri Daulat Ram Chavda, Shri K, S. Shah, Shri D. P. Chowhan, Shri Bharat Sin*h Shalsa, Shrimati Rano M. 37* Punjab Excise MARCH 21* 1979 •< (Delhi Arndt. Bill) 3f z

Sharma, Shn J^gannath **Kishore LaJ. Shri Sharma, Shri Rajendra Kumar Kosalram, Shii K T Shastri, Shri Bhanu Kumar Meduri, Shn Nageswara Rao Shukla, Shri Madan Lai Misjira, Shri G. S. Sinha. Shn Purnanarayan Sinha, Shn Satyendra Naravan Nair, Shri B K. Somani, Shri S S. Ramalingam, Shn N. Kundanthai Ramamurthy, Shri K. Tej Pratap Singh, Shri Rao, Shri P. V Narasimha Thakre, Shn Kushabhau Ra\i, Shn Valayar Tripathi, Shn Ram Prakash Reddv, Shn M. Ram Gopal Varma, Shri Ravindra Reddv, Shri S. R. Verma, Shn Chandradeo Prasad Sathe, Shri Vasant Verma, Sfyri R L. P. Sudheeran, Shri V M. Vermn. Shri Raghunath Singh Swammathan, Shri R. V Verma, Shri Sukhdeo Prasad Thakur Shri Krishnarao Yadav, Shri Hukmde0 Naia n Yadav, Shri Roop Nath Smgh MR. CHAIRMAN: Subject to correction, the result* of the division Zulfiquarullah, Shri is:

NOES Ayes; 79; Noes; 25.

Alluri, Shri Subhash Chandra Bose The motion was adopted. Arunachalam, Shri M. The Preamble was added to the Bill. Basu, Shn Dhirendranath The title was added to the Bill. Chandrappan, Shri C K. THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE Damor, Shri Somjibhai MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI SATISH AGARWAL); I beg to move: Faleiro, Shri Eduardo “ That the Bill be passed” Gavtai, Shn D. G. George, Shri A. C. MR. CHAIRMAN: The question ia: Gotkhinde, Shri Annasaheb “That the Bill be passed” Kidwai, Shrimati Mohsina The motion was adopted.

♦•Wrongly voted for Noes. •The following Membfers also recorded their votes: AYES* Shri Fazlur Rahman, Shri Maui Ram Bagri, Shri Ram Vilas Pas- wan, Shri Shyamlal Dhurve, Shri Sushil Kumar Dhara, Shri Padma- charan Samantasinhera, Shri Shri- krishna Singh and Shri Kishor® NOES: Shrimati Rashida && (Pondicherry), 78-79 17 01 hrs SOME HON MEMBERS Y«is, yes

PONDICHERRY BUDGET, 1979-69 - MR CHAIRMAN Then we will GENERAL DISCUSSION, DEMANDS have two hours for this discussion FOR , GRANTS ON ACCOUNT (PONDICHERRY), 1979-80, AND Motion moved. SUPPLEMENTARY DEMANDS FOIi GRANTS (PONDICHERRY), “That the respective sums not ex­ 1978-79 ceeding the amounts on Revenue MR CHAIRMAN The Hou.e wUl Account and Capital Account shown now take up (1) General Discussron m the thud column of the Order of the Pondicherry Budget for 1979-80, Paper, be granted to the President (11) discussion on the Demands foi out of the Consolidated Fund of the Grants on Account (Pondicherry) for 1979-80, and (m) discussion on the Union Territory of Pondicherry, Supplementary Demands for Grants on account, for or towards defraying (Pondichen\) foi 1978-79 All the the charges during the year ending three items are to be discussed to­ gether on the 31st day of March, 1980, m respect of the hf'ads of demands If the House agrees, 2 hours might be allotted for discussion of thes<* entered m the second column there­ items, a«; suggested by Government of against Demands Nos 1 to 33”

\DimandTfot Grant? (ert Account) (Unirn T/mforv of Pcrthth/fr\ fu ir-< -(a t liriUd u tit Vote of Lok Sabha

No of Name of Demand Amount ofDimand for Demand Grant on Account to he

1 2 3

Rt venue Capital Rs Rs

I Legislat ve Assembly * * • 9,69,000 .. 2 Administrator . , ♦ 5 000

3 Council of Minsters . 90,000

4 Administration of Justice • 9,63,000

5 Elections . 3,78.000

6 Bx venue . 33* a 5,000 •

7 .

8 Taxes on Vehicles • • 1,60,000

9 Secretariat {8.90,000 • 375 Pondicherry Bu&get-QtnL MARCH 21, 1079 D4t., D.G. on Account 976 (JPon&icherry), 7 M 0 and DJS.Q. (Pondicherry), 71-79

Revenue Capital Rj. Rs, 10 District Administration...... 41,61,000 10,35,000

11 Treasury and Accounts Administration .... 9,11,000

12 Police ...... 50,96,000 43 J a i l s ...... 2,75,000 -14 Stationery and P rin tin g...... 8.09,000

15 Miscellaneous Administrative General Services . . . 14,85,000 16 Retirement Benefits ...... 26.06,000 17 Public Works...... 2,32,38,000 1,32,04,000

t8 15,000

49 ••

30 • •

aa Social Welfare. .... 8,000

23 Co-operation...... *0,20,000

94 Miscellaneous General Economic Service* . . ' 4»35.°o° ■ 35 Agriculture...... 3,88,000

26 Animal Husbandly ...... • .82,49,000 •• 27 Fisheries...... 5,000 38 1,50,000

39 In d u s tr ie s ...... 37,30,000

30 Food and Nutrition...... ••

31 Electricity...... * ,a4,75»°°°

3* Ports and Pilotage 9 , 1,33,000

33 Loans to Government Servants . • , • • — 49,07,000

MR. CHAIRMAN; Motion moved: the charges that will come in course of payment during the year ending “That the respective Supplemen­ on the 31st day of March, 1978, in tary sums not exceeding the respect of the following demands amounts on Revenue Account and entered in the second column there­ Capital Account shown in the third of— column of the Order Paper, be granted to the President out of the Consolidated Fund ot the Union Demands Nos. 4, 7 to 12 and 16 to Territory ol Pondicherry to defray $77 *e *M »*rrv M fe e t* P&ALOUNA 30,1900 (SAKA) Q tnl Dis., D.G. oft 378. Account (Pondicherry) 79-80 and DJ5.G. (Pondicherry), 78-79

Supplementary Demands fo r Grants (Union Territory qfPanduherry)for 1978-79 submitted to Hu Vote of Lsk Sabha

No- of Amount of Demand for Demand Name of Demand Grant submitted to the Vote of the House

Revenue Capital Rs. Rs.

4 Administration of Justice...... —

7 — 8 Taxrs on Vehicle* . . . . —

9 10 District Administration ..... a,co cro

11 Treasury and Accounts Administration 86,000 —

13 P o lic e ...... —

16 Retirement Bent fits .... 3,88,000 —

»7 3>8 3,000 18 Education ...... — —

ao

8> Labour and Employment...... —

»2 75,000

23 37»53>OCO

24 Miscellaneous General Economic Services . 15,000 —

35 Agriculture ...... 3,43,000 5.60,00a 26 1,27,000

*7 Fisheries...... 28 *>35>ooo' 09 Industries ...... *0,37,000 30 — 31 Electricity ...... 25,24,000 51,35,000 39 Ports and Pilotage...... —

33 lioam to Government Servants .... — 75,49,000- Pondicherry Budget~G*nl. MARCH 21, 107# Dis., 0.G. on Account 380 ( Pondicherry), 70-80 and jD.S.G. (Pondicherry), 78-79 MR CTIAIRMAN Shri Banatwalla. has to speak first. Shri A. Bala Paja­ nor, the hon. Member from Pondi­ SHRI G M. BANATWALLA (Pon- cherry has exr ressed a desire to speak mam) I beg to move first, as he is from Pondicherry.

“That the Demand for Grant on SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN Account under the head ‘Adminis­ (Madurai): Yes, let him speak trator’ be reduced to Re. 1.” [Need for categorical assurance SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR (Pondi­ that the administrative status cherry) : Mr Chairman, Sir, I am of Pondicherry will not be thankfu] to you for giving me this changed without ascertaining opportunity to initiate the discussion the wishes of the people on the Pondicherry Budget. At the through proper referendum same time I also thank the hon. Mem­ (1)3. ber, who has consented for my speak­ ing first on the budget, and draw the “That the demand for Grant of attention of the House as also of the Account under the head ‘Adminis­ country to the very bad state of affairs trator' be reduced to Re. I.” that exist in that territory. [Utterances of the Prime Minister for merger of Pondicherry At the outset, I would like to ex­ with neighbouring States press my unhappiness that when I without reference to the opin­ speak on this occasion, I see the Minis­ ion of people through reteren- ter of State for Home Affairs is very dum leading to widespread badly missing from the Treasury popular agitation (2)] Benches. I am sure, the hon. Minis­ ter for Finance, Shri Satish Agarwal “That the Demand for Grant on cannot answer the very vital question Account under the head ‘Adminis­ that I am going to raise And on this trator’ be reduced to Re. 1” question, I have the support of tha various hon Members, whom I have [Need for adequate compensation consulted earlier. to the victims of brutal police atrocities in January, 1979 Then, another thing that I have bean (3)] repeating rhetorically for the past “That the Demand for Grant on five years in this august House is ihat Account under the head ‘Adminis­ the discussion on Pondicherry has be­ tration of Justice’ be reduced to come a routine affair and a formal Re. 1.” exercise and is meant only to meet the constitutional requirement as [Failure to hold judicial enquiry correctly stated by the Finance Minis­ into brutal Police atrocities ter. m January, 1979 (5)] This year, the discussion on Pondi­ “That the Demand for Grant on cherry requires to be taken up serious­ Account under the head ‘Police’ be reduced to Re, 1 ” ly and a greater attention is needed to be paid to the position of this [Frivolous prosecutions of the Union Territory, situated in a remote leaders and protagonists of corner of our country. 1 expected the anti-merger movement ^r.i that the Prime Minister will be pre­ the need to withdraw such sent or at least his representative will ‘framed’ cases (7)] be present in the house to give an assurance to the MR, CHAIRMAN: The cut motions people of Pondicherry and clear their are before the House. According to doubts and remove the confusion that the lfe* *vith me, Shri Swaminathan. has been created in that tiny territory 3$r Ptmdiehtny Budget* PH ALO W A 30, 1000 (SAKA) Oeul, Dit., D.O. M 383 Account (PcmdioHetry) 79*80 and D.S.G. ( Pondicherry), 78-79

with a good historical and cultural We people, numbering 6 lakhs, are past. I was thankful to my hon. now being crushed, in our thinking friend Shn Vayalar Ravi and others And the matter has come to such a when they raised the question of divi­ level as if we are fighting for our own sion on the earlier BiU a little while freeaom. Without taking our consent ago, and many hon. Members were and bypassing all the sacred treaties, forced to come to the Hou>e, and I people here m Delhi and at other was having a fond hope that they places talk about the merger question would remain here to participate in I have to deal with that aspect first, this discussion so that they could viz. how this is going to be dealt with, understand what this territory is, what and how you are going to answer us is goin^ to happen to this territory and the people there, and the people And what is going to happen to this with whom you had made that treaty. territory will happen to other territo­ If it is a dictatorial regime, we will ries ctlso if an autocratic regime is not have any question to put, because o'loweo to rule this countiy in future. we will be certain that their word As x said, Pondicherry is in a vary will be the law, and we will be the bad state of affairs today. Many hon. last persons to question it, and to Members who had promised to ex*, expect a democratic decision from it. tend their support to Pondicherry are But you are the persons who tell the unfortunately not present here. They world and every individual in this country that you st'ind for democracy, seem to be more interestd in a Bill that is being discussed in the other you will always stand by democracy House, the Special Courts Bill, meant and will « a ays lespett the aspira­ to pi osecute a * *» s*r n Peoule seem tions and wishes of the people So. I expect this Government( under the to be interested in individuals; in leadership of the great Prime Minister terested in prosecuting and penalising others, but they are not at all interest­ Shn M o rarji Desai and his team of Ministers, tD <, or 0 1 * jvard «nd tell ed in the welfare of the people at my people that the> will not do any­ large Th«t is our misfortune I now thing against their wishesv-which has rise to speak on this Budget. As I said been solemnly assured in the two earlier, 1 want to say that there is a treaties of the past very big turmoil m my Territory. You know pretty well that this Tern-, Before I enter into it, let me briefly tory is being represented by a soli­ narrate the history of the Territory tary Member viz. myself, though ours of Pondicherry. When you got your is a very big party which is very Independence m 1947—I am sure strong, anur great be jocular thing it may be a surpnsm^ revered leader Pandit Jawaharial Nehru thing to note that I had finished my —you see in the end of the signature of M s J^MidMhertv PHALOONA 1*8# (SA K A ) <3n L 01* , IMS. o » 386 Account (AM dM Mitv) » - » « " d D.S.G. (Pondicherry), 78-70

tike then Ambassador S. Ostrorog— created a problem and still keeping along with Kirpal Singh signed in 1962 quite? Now i beg of the Government this thing This clause is not given a to come forward and say categorically go by. You take 1962 agreement What —I am not saying to you that you was article 1 had become article I in should come forward and say "We will 1062 transfer deju.re on 16th August, not merge it for ever and ever’ —but 1962. Article 2 reads as follows. > p u must categorically state, as w»r “These establishment will keep this agreement that “We will not merge th e benefit Of th e sp ecial adm*ni&t,"a- these territories unless we take the tive status which was in iorce prior consent of the people” Otherwise you to the First November 1954 A n y are not fit to be a democratic govern­ constitutional changes in this t talus ment, you cannot call yourself Janata which may be made subsequently Government in this country So, I shall be made aiter ascertaining th» charge these people on this question to take a serious note of it But you fail wishes of the people’* to ao your home work, as I said ear­ At is not that your wish is to be made lier Please go through the discussions If you have any respect tor the tieat- in 1963 when the Union Territories ties that are entered into, if you have Bills were passed. There is not much any respect for the democratic value* time for me, it may take four hours ■or if you have any request for the But I will say the relevant portion. At wishes of the people, it can be met only that time, our great Lai Bahaur Shas- after ascertaining the wishes of the tri was the Home Minister What was peopie of that area not wishes oi U* the discussion going on at tnat time7 people m Delhi, not the wishes oi ‘-lie The same questions were raisea But people elsewhere bv the neighbouring I am sorry to say that some of the noli- states, not the wishes of certain indi­ lical parties which now try to clamour, viduals who think for the great countiy, were very vehement m making these tor the great cause. Why I speciiy it’ territories merge with the neighbour* Why i put special attention on these ing States. We are thankful to our two clauses is this Now you have great Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, who seen that Pondicherry has risen as one came to Pondicherry and Karaikkal man without any difference. Thers twice, who understood the feelings of are no two thinking on this question o£ thf‘ people who worked for tne inde­ merger at all There is not a single pendence of this territory, and who person who can speak against it All said, “The identity of the territory will are one in this aspect, forgetting tbe*r b» maintained. The special status for political differences They are one in Pondicherry will be kept for ever, until this aspect All the people from Pondi­ the people wish for a change” That is cherry are one and they say that they the v**«*on why Shn Lai Banadu Shas- want to maintain their identity, they tri moved the Union Territories Bills in want to maintain their .self-respect 1063 At that time it was askeo, why But people from outside talk some* noi merge It? I am sorry u> say that thing else. But there were some strong some of the greatest protagonists who stories about many persons I do con­ now talk about it for their own politi- cede that But it is natural for the

Sir, I am happy to hear from the I was happy *0 soe that the Minister Prime Minister that there is no cause of State for Home Affairs was very for agitation. He has said it and our eloquent when he said that on the 27th people believe him now. He has said of April there will be elections in Muo- that it is under consideration ram. But what about Pondicherry and what about Mampur? When I Now it is known to you very well asked him about the elections in Pond»> that the people are very much against cherry, he was saying that the enume­ it. That is the reason why I have ration has to go oi% the electoral roll* cited two clauses in the 1954 and 1962 have to be rev.scvi and so on But Agreements. Tho*s clauses categori­ may I remind him that on tne lith of cally state that you cannot do it unless November they imposed Piesidentfs you consult the people, take them into Rule in Mizoram and on the 12th of your confidence So, the Prime Minis* November they imposed President’s ter in his letter says “I will go demo­ Rule in Ponlisherrv The difference cratically, I will consider it and at the was only one day. They were able to appropriate time I will do it*’. But check up the electoral rolls and make after thts agitatio.i after this turmoil, them up*to-dat2 in one of the hiDv and after this request, after this persuasion frontier States like Mizoram, hut it was and representation, 1 hope they will difficult for them to do it in Pondicher­ give due consid»rU*,on to the desires ry. Why? That is why the people of and feelings of the people there. my territory are suspecting your inten­ tions your bona Gdes. Caesar's wife I want to tell you that some people must be above suspicion. That is way M m my ^ territory, menders of the I 98k you to c*m$ forward with a slate- 3 $t*0H*d*rr9 BudgtU m AW Vm . 30^ 1900 {SAKA) Genl. DU., DX3. on 394 Acce«wt (Pondicherry) 79-90 and DJS.G. (Pondicherry), 78-79 ment to the effect “you will have elec­ So, I think it is high time for you to tions this month or next month". reorganise the entire system of admi­ nistration. It is a sorry state of a flairs I am sorry to say the bureaucrats there. It was a draconian law which of my territory tell one thing there and was passed with the suppoit of some of a different story here. They are making the opposition Members also. When a a big drama \o grt out of the difficul­ State is under Pres.uent’s rule, there ties; they are presenting difficulties. is a fear in us tha* it cannot be extend­ They tell the peop'o there, one thing ed for more th*u six months, that we and tell something else in Delhi. They have to come to Parliament, that at the get something from Delhi and tell the most it can *je onl^ one year with the people something else, which I cannot latest amendment, but in the case of do that is not in my blood, j believe Union Territories, unrler sction 51 of in frankness. I tell you very the Act of 1963, there is no limitation. categorically that you must speak You need not com 3 to Parliament at alt. ifhe truth if you are true Gandhians Article 239 m came to power on the assurance that are missing. They cannot come here. they would resect the wishes of the They have to believe- the Lt. Governor people and deTiorra*ic values in this the Aministr.^or there, they have to country. Let any Government come to believe the Secie*.iry. Whatever they power and rule, I am not particular say is gospel truth for them. that my party should come to power there, but people should have an elect­ Here, peoob are very eloquent say­ ed Government, and then alone it can ing that the bureaucrats are controls rg look after them. Mizoram, Himachal Pradesh, that they It is said that there is President’s are in top form everywhere elc. hut rule because you cannot have a stable what are you doing in Pondicherry? Government there, and so it is better You are not showing any sign of your to kill the enfc'tc thing, but is that the wisdom. The peopl* there suffer a lot. solution? bet me ask vou ct*e ques­ For small reprasentHlon*, they have to tion. If there are pickpockets, is it come to Bala Panajor or some ether your suggestion to remove the pocket? Member of Parliament or other local Is it not your duty to control the pick- Politicians who cannot do anything forf 4, pockets and g*t ri.l of them? So, how because they have no power. can you suggest that because thero is 395 Pondicherry Budget-Genl. ^ARCH 21, 1979 Dts, 0,0. on Aceottfit 396 ( Pondicherry), 79-80 and D.SG (Pondicherry), 78*79 [Shn A Bala Fajanor] Mandal nor Mr Patel nor our beloved Prime Minister can have corlrol over no stable Gove nment theie, *t is belter Pondicherry You do not have time at to annihilate the whole thing? Both all You are very busy m so many are on the same analogy And Gan- other things, yot are busy m the Spe­ dhians do not go without pockets, they cial Courts 3ill, in achieving common are having roui pockets unity m mobilising support against Mr. Raj Naram and many other things 1 do understand jour position Da-\ in Your Budget is not satisfactoij I an^ day out j c j are having problems will not blame Mr Agarwal frr that m this House You cannot hav< Lire Last year the Budget was for Rs iO for it Then what is the solution’ crores While in the cose ot Miro/am You must decent-al so and give it back the Budget has gone up I y Rs ») crores to the peoote Why do you * wt to m the case ol Pondicherry it has &one grab it and it heit > It is a very down by Rs 4 chores tr Rs 26 eroies interesting ttrig to real what Mr That is a tact As he coirecti/ « id in Vasudevan Fair said *n the Raiya the beginning itself, this is onlv an Sabha when th* Umoi Territory Bill exercise to „-a\e a constitutional ano­ was passed F< leferred to it and saij maly that he is piesentmg the Budget that it is a v *y vtr> K'cj demon I am very sorry to find these amounts again, this is what Mr Gauri Shankar mentioned heie 1 know how the ct*i* Kakkar said then-not our (Jiunshan- cials make 10 the Ba Iget It does not kar Rai—I ou^te fiomthe I ok Sabha reflect the aspiralions of our people I Debates of telj you that v/nnou: hivirg an over is the con­ General I call him the Governor- dition But now without a Ministry, General 1 have no personal grievance without an elected Government, you against any of these people, they are can Imagine I leave it to your imagina. good heart but you are the cause tion Let it ride 1 appeal to you Of all this When you allow such a once again I am not going into the thing, the tast is there, power is very intricacies or stfall legalities of it. tasty After all Lord Glaastone says* Please come foraraid and tell use that “Power corrupts and absolute power you are going to hold elections m June corrupt# aboslutoly” Neither Mr. July or August whatever month miajf 3*7 Budget* PHALGUNA 80,1900 (SAFCA) Genl Bis.; D.C. Oii 398 Account (Pondicherry) 78-8G and D.S.G. (Pondicherry), 78-79

be convenient for you. Do not post­ ed. But I am not able to present them pone it for a long time. People are due to want of time. I am grateful to agitated. Every day many lemours Agarwal and many other Members for are being spread there. People ao not allowing me this much time. I appeal know what will happen. II you tnink to the hon. Minister, through you, Mr. that merger is an isi'je whicn is to be Chairman, not only to him, but also 10 decided by a referendum, hold it. If the hon. Prime Minister, two Deputy you want, you can make it an election Prime Ministers, the set of Cabinet issue and ascertain Ihe wishes of the Minister, all the Ministers ot State ard people. I represent th« people of to all the Members of this House to Pondicherry. All oi us say with one do it. 1 want t0 go on record that 1 voice that we will maintain our identi­ have appealed to all the Union Terri­ ty. What is the next thing? How to tory Members for this. I have perso­ rule best? We should not say mat nally talked to you and you said “Bala, Pondicherry is a Scale which is adja­ for your sake, we will do it.” Please cent to Tamil Nadu. We are hhviug a do it, not to save me alone, but also to State, as I have lepuatolly said in tms save my people. If I do not represent House, which is having a special cul­ their wishes, I am not fit to be in this ture. I cannot be a communal man, I House. If I do not reflect their aspira­ must be a linguist. I must understand tions, I am not qualified to ne m this and speak Malayalar.t, Telugu ami House at all. You may say that Bala Tamil. According to the piovisions oJ speaks well, he will persuade us, his the Constitution, Fiench language shall argument is good. But that is not the be maintained, unlcsj the people or the feather that you can add to me. If Council or the Legislature* changes that. your friendship with Bala is sincere, We are having a languages, not only please do it. 1 reflect the wishes oi English, we have French, Malayalam, my people, 1 reflect the request of my Tamil and Telugu. We 'have such a people and I present the aspirations ot composite cultu»e in our territory. my people. Ptease consider that. Neither Goa nor Manipur has that. People come and talk in the National I hope, all other members will Integration Council that we must for­ join with me and we will have a get the small bamcio of the linguistic peaceful territory in Pondicherry. fanatics, we must forget the small Day in and day out, we do not know castes and communities. We have a what is going to happen. The mor­ brotherly feeling in our territory. I row is not known to us. I have to am proud to say with my head erect repeat the Latin saying: Quadis Dom- that we never had any communal ane — My Lord, where I am going! feelings in our territory until you “My Lord” means, you be the lords marched into our territory and in­ and tell me where we are going so jected that ill-feeling amongst us. that we have peace. Still, we are trying to maintain that. We maintain the Drayidian culture of ours. SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN (Madurai): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I Fortunately or unfortunately, we rise to raise my voice about Pondi­ never had Chandranagore with us. If cherry, a small union territory. It we had that, I would have learnt is a very peaceful State, a State of Bengali and conferred with Mr. Muker- peace-loving people. Peace has alrea­ iee and others in Bengali. But that has dy been disturbed all of a sudden gone away and I &m not sorry for that. when the hon. Prime Minister went These are the things which are special to Madras and made a statement in a for Pondicherry. Thede are tlv things press conference that the union terri­ that artt existing there. I prepared a tory of Pondicherry will be merged list of the things ttut my people want­ with Tamil Nadu. tag l W i c W v BuAget-dibi iiA&CH Si, l i f t bit., U . S . M A M U 468 (Pondicherry), 79-80 and M .G . (PotuftcfcerrjO, 78-79 [Shri R. V. Swaminathan] Government where under article 2 of the treaty, it was assured that the I am from Tamil Nadu. I may also French culture will not be disturbed feel that it will benefit us if Pondi­ and that the constitutional changed cherry is merged with Tamil Nadu. will not take place unless the people But 1 will not say so. Being a true wish for it. The people’s wish should Tamilian, it will be wrong on my part be taken into consideration when they to say, you merge Pondicherry with want to make any changes. Are we Tamil Nadu. The hon. Member who not to honour the treaty? Is there no preceded me, Shri Bala Pajanor, was value for the treaty? I ask the Prime giving the background of the whole Minister and the Janata Party whe­ story of Pondicherry. I know, the ther there is no value for the treaty. French culture as also the French civi­ Shri Bala Pajanor was calling Janata lisation is still there. It was aU estab­ Party members as his friends. But lished in a very fine manner. When 1 say that they are not his friends.. our great leader, Pandit Jawaharlal ( Interruptions) Nehru, while he was the Prime Mims- tersaw the french culture in ° ikL- SHRI RAGAVALU MOHANARAN- cherry he said that it must be pre­ GAM: It is not a question of friend­ served. It was not that Pondicherry ship; it is a question of just putting: was merged with Indian mainland so the facts before the members of the easily. There is a background to that. Janata Party. There was a big fight for Indepen­ dence movement. 1 was also in the SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR; We are background of the struggle. When the all friends. My hon. friend forgets that people of Pondicherry agitated for when he was in power, I was also liberation, I was there in the territory friendly to him. Let him not compare of Pondicherry. The great leader, Mr. with that The things can be easily mis­ Kamaraj Nadar, our Congress leader, understood. That is why I want to asked me to go to Pondicherry. He clarify. He sfcould not forget that I sent some important Congress workers was so friendly with them even at to Pondicherry border, I was also the peak of Emergency. there to see how the people conduct SHRI R. V. SWAMINATHAN; SO, the struggle. I know the back I ask the Government and the hon. ground of all that Prime Minister: Is there no value for The French Government thought treaty? It must be valued. that there was no chance of holding this area under them. They thought Late Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru gave they must surrender. They said, “We two assurances to the people of South have no objection to surrender this Indial, namely, that the territory of territory. But you guarantee and Pondicherry would be preserved and give us an assurance that the French would not be altered until the people culture, the French civilisation and wanted a change; and Hindi would not such other things will be preserved.” be thrust on the people of South In­ When the Prime Minister of France dia until the people wanted it. These made this offer, immediately our two assurance are being thrown into Prime Minister Pandit Nehru respond­ the waste-paper basket. la it proper? ed paying, ‘1 assure the French Prime Is it the way that the assurances giv­ Minister and the French Government en by a great person like Pandit Ne­ that their culture and civilisation hru are to be treated? It is wrong on would be preserved.’* the part of the present Government to do so. After that, there was a treaty en­ tered into by the two Governments* The present Prime Minister mmt the French Government and the Indian to Madras and made a statement them 401 &m&tekmrv Budget- PHALGUNA 80,1BQ0 (SAKA) Gettl Die., D.G. on 402 Account (Pondicherry) 79-80 and D.S.G. ( Pondicherry), 78-79 ibout the merger ol Pondicherry. It Lok Nayak Jay'aprakash Narayan w h like beating the hornet’s nest. once mentioned that the small Union We all know what happens when the territories must be allowed to conti­ honey comb is disturbed. The same nue as such; in fact, they should be thing happened there. There were made strong; only if they are strong big agitations in Pondicherry and se­ will the Centre also be strong. There­ veral people died; many people were fore, he pleaded that the small Union injured and admitted in the hospital; territories should be maintained as also several vehicles were burnt. Why such. Therefore, Sir, the status quo should he have invited this trouble should not be distubed. I appeal to unnecessarily? It is wrong to think the Government, to the hon. Minis­ on those lines. If Government wants to ter and through him to the hon. Prime have a referendum on this, let them Minister that he should not again talk have it. They had a referendum in of merger. Goa, What happened? Immediately Pondicherry is being played like a people decided to have a separate toy They removed the elected Gov­ State; we want to live separately. If ernment there and brought it under you want to hold a referendum in the Central rule. This should not be Pondicherry on this, do it. But a* a done often. We want that elections Congressman and a Tamilian, I want should be held in Pondicherry imme­ to support the aspirations of the peo­ diately. Why are the elections being ple of Pondicherry. They want to postponed? It is a well-established live separately, they want to main­ State. In one month you can enu­ tain Iheir culture, what they had merate and prepare the voters’ list. inherited from the French. Therefore, I appeal to the Government Coming to the Budget, theji have not to conduct the elections there. We, the given a proper Budget. The previous Congressmen, want that elections Government, the Congres Govern­ should be conducted immediately with­ ment under the leadership of Shrimati in 2 or 3 months. You shoul not , gave an assurance to postpone it to August You should Pondicherry that a Central Univer­ have it in June or July. sity would be established in Sir, with these words, I oppose the Pondicherry; a scheme was prepared view expressed by the Government and and 800 acres of land was also acqui­ by the Prime Minister that Pondi­ red in Pondicherry. But there is no­ cherry should be merged with the thing about that in the present Bud­ neighbouring State. get. The present Government has SHRI MUKUNDA MANDAL: (Ma- thrown this assurance also into the thurapur); I want to sneak something weste-paper basket. Why do I plead about Pondicherry. I have no con­ for a Central University in Pondi­ crete knowledge about Pondicherry. cherry? For instance, there is a medical But, Sir, with the recent utterances of college there. JIPMER in Pondicherry; Prime Minister, Morarjibhai Desai the every year they recruit about 75 stu­ issue of Pondicherry came to lime dents, and out of 75 they give only 15 light. We all talk of democracy and seats to Pondicherry and the balance the Janata Party talks ot democratisa- of 80 seats go to the other States; the tion. We know, some of the State adjoining State, Tamil Nadu, also gets Governments already demanded more some seats. If a Central University power and more autonomy for States is established there, then Tamil Nadu but it is such type of utterances which and the other States will also be are responsible for a serious conse­ benefited; Pondicherry will not con­ quence. As a consequence of this sume all the seats. Therefore, a Cen­ utterance of the Prime Minister, we tral University in Pondicherry should find several persons lost their lives and be established. several other persons were injured. We 403 Pondicherry Budget-Genl. MARCH 21, 1979 Dis., D.G. on Account 404 (Pondicherry), 79-80 and D.S.G. (Pondicherry), 78-79 [Shri Mukunda Mondal] by the Government for the upliftment j of the people of Pondicherry. That' saw also forces of destabilisation and does not mean that Pondicherry should destruction took the field and created remain under President’s rule for violent activities. All this happened times immemorial. only because of the utterance of the Prime Minister. That is why I want 1 urge upon the Government that the to mention here that such type of ex­ elections should be held immediately pressions should be avoided. If he there. things, ‘It is my personal view’, he can With these words I conclude. | do this in his house but your personal view should not be expressed before MR. CHAIRMAN: Mr. Asaithambi. the public as the reaction will be much You may start speaking today. Still more. So, I would request the Prime one hour is there for tomorrow. Minister that in future he should not *SHRI A. V. P. ASAITHAMBI, express his views in this manner. (Madras North): Mr. Chairman, Sirj Regarding the merger of Pondicherry I am grateful to you for giving me an with -Tamilnadu, it is an issue which opportunity to participate in the Dis­ should be decided by the people of cussion on the Budget of Pondicherry Pondicherry, not by imposition. You on behalf of my party, the Dravida can have a referendum. What I want Munnetra Kazhagam. to say is that now Pondicherry is under President’s rule. There should In his speech, the hon. Member from be a popular government and elections Pondicherry. Shri Bala Pajanor, force­ should be conducted immediately for fully pointed out how 6 lakhs of peo­ that purpose. The Budget which we ple of Pondicherry are being oppressed are now considering should have been and how there was eruption of violent considered and passed by the people’s agitation leading to loss of human lives representatives there. So, I would and property. He made a passing re­ request the hon. Minister and the hon. ference to a high dignitary’s casual Government to declare the date for remark, which caused this upheaval in election to Pondicherry Assembly. Pondicherry. Shri Morarji Desai is the Prime Minister of the country. H^S Coming to developmental work, as I stated in a Press Conference that Pen- j told you earlier^ Tdo no1: know any­ dicherry would be merged with the”*" thing concrete about development work neighbouring State and there is nothing ^ of Pondicherry. One thing that I know wrong in that proposition. Immediate-I is that no irrigation project or power !y there was violent agitation in Pon­ proiect is there in Pondicherry. I dicherry, resulting in loss of valuable came to know that 45 per cent of the human lives and public property. Shri population depend on agriculture. There Bala Pajanor did not categorically say 86 per cent of the land is under irri­ that the Prime Minister Shri Morarji gation. This is a good sign. But, Desai made this statement at a Press there is no project in Pondicherry. Conference. He did not affirm that this (Interruptions) There is no industrial was Prime Minister’s personal opinion development there. There are only or confirm that there was some invi­ small scale industries being developed sible force behind this statement of at Pondicherry. There is no heavy in­ Shri Morarji Desai, bas.ed on later dustry there. Mr. Chairman. I have Press comments. Shri Bala should information that 746 small scale indus­ have made this fast speech in his tries are there in Pondicherry but Party Forum. He should not have there is no heavy industry. For that chosen the forum of Lok Sabha for at least some measures should be taken this speech.

*The original speech was delivered in Tamil. 405 Pondicherry Budget- PHALGUNA 30, 1900 ( SAKA) Genl Dis., D.G. on 406 Account ( Pondicherry) 79-80 and D.S.G. ( Pondicherry), 78-79 SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR: Sir, I SHRI A. V. P. ASAITHAMBI: I object to it. Let him not politicalise never intervened when he was speak­ the entire issue. I am against it. I ing. only want to reflect the wishes of the people of Pondicherry. This cannot be SHRI C. N. VISVANATHAN: There taken as a party issue. He should not was no party affair discussed here. So, also misquote me. I won’t allow him I seek a clarification. He said that the to talk like that. They are enemies of Anna-DMK had moved a resolution in the Pondicherry people. I never make its Working Committee in Coimbatore. statements on party basis. Sir, this is (Interruptions). a very serious matter. He is also aware of it. He is now trying to wist SHRI A. BALA PAJANOR; Sir, was i1. I talk here by reflecting ihe wishes he present in the General Council of the people of Pondicherry. It is when I spoke. (Interruptions) your party people who have created the difficulty there. He should not talk like that. He must be very careful. MiR. CHAIRMAN: 1 am sorry I cannot decide anything today. It is MR, CHAIRMAN: You are not rais­ already 6 p.m. The time is over. The ing any point of order. You can of House stands adjourned. Mr. Asai- course explain your views. Let him thambi will continue his speech go on. tomorrow.

18 hrs. 18.01 hrs.

SHRI C. N. VISVANATHAN (Tirup- The Lok Sabha then adjourned till patur): I seek a clarification. He Eleven of the Clock on Thursday, spoke about the All-India Anna-DMK. March 22, 1919/Chaitra 1, 1901 (Saka).

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