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Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Agriculture Second Session - Thirty-Sixth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Agriculture Chairperson Mr. Jack Penner Constituency of Emerson Vol. XLVI No. 1- 7 p.m., Tuesday, October 1, 1996 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Sixth Legislature Members, Constituencies and Political Affiliation Name Constituency &rt)' ASHTON, Steve Thompson N.D.P. BARRETT, Becky Wellington N.D.P. CERILLI, Marianne Radisson N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave Kildonan N.D.P. CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose P.C. DACQUAY, Louise, Hon. Seine River P.C. DERKACH, Leonard, Hon. Roblin-Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary Concordia N.D.P. DOWNEY, James, Hon. Arthur-Virden P.C. DRIEDGER, Albert, Hon. Steinbach P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. ENNS, Harry, Hon. Lakeside P.C. ERNST, Jim, Hon. Charleswood P.C. EVANS, Clif Interlake N.D.P. EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East N.D.P. FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tuxedo P.C. FINDLAY, Glen, Hon. Springfield P.C. FRIESEN, Jean Wolseley N.D.P. GAUDRY, Neil St. Boniface Lib. GILLESHAMMER, Harold, Hon. Minnedosa P.C. HELWER, Edward Gimli P.C. HICKES, George Point Douglas N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. KOWALSKI, Gary The M�ples Lib. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar The Pas N.D.P. LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norbert P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord St. Johns N.D.P. N.D.P. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows McALPINE, Gerry Sturgeon Creek P.C. P.C. McCRAE, James, Hon. Brandon West N.D.P. McGIFFORD, Diane Osborne P.C. MciNTOSH, Linda, Hon. Assiniboia N.D.P. MIHYCHUK, MaryAnn St. James P.C. MITCHELSON, Bonnie, Hon. River East P.C. NEWMAN, David Riel P.C. PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Portage Ia Prairie P.C. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. PITURA, Frank Morris P.C. PRAZNIK, Darren, Hon. Lac du Bonnet P.C. RADCLIFFE, Mike River Heights N.D.P. REID, Daryl Transcona P.C. REIMER, Jack, Hon. Nialcwa P.C. RENDER, Shirley St. Vital N.D.P. ROBINSON, Eric Rupertsland P.C. ROCAN, Denis Gladstone N.D.P. SALE, Tim Crescentwood N.D.P. SANTOS, Conrad Broadway P.C. STEFANSON, Eric, Hon. Kirlcfield Parle N.D.P. STRUTHERS, Stan Dauphin P.C. SVEINSON, Ben La Verendrye P.C. TOEWS, Vic, Hon. Rossmere P.C. TWEED, Mervin Turtle Mountain P.C. VODREY, Rosemary, Hon. Fort Garry N.D.P. WOWCHUK, Rosano Swan River LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE Tuesday, October 1, 1996 TIME-7 p.m. MATTERS UNDER DISCUSSION: Bill 24-The Agricultural Credit Corporation LOCATION - Winnipeg, Manitoba Amendment Act CHAIRPERSON - Mr. Jack Penner (Emerson) Bill 31-The Livestock Industry Diversification and Consequential Amendments Act ATTENDANCE- 11 -QUORUM- 6 Bill 5-The Horticultural Society Repeal Act Members ofthe Committee present: Bill 6-The Veterinary Science Scholarship Fund Honourable Mr. Enns Amendment Act Messrs. Dyck, Helwer, Martindale, Penner, Bill23-TheGRIP and Related Programs Termination Radcliffe, Santos, Struthers, Sveinson, Tweed, Ms. and Consequential Amendments Act Wowchuk Bill 30-The Dairy Act Substitutions: *** Mr. Mervin Tweed for Mr. Frank Pitura Mr. Chairperson: Could the committee please come to WITNESSES: order. I have before me, ladies and gentlemen, the resignation Bill 24-The Agricultural Credit Corporation of Mr. Frank Pitura who is a member of the standing Amendment Act committee. He is also the Vice-Chairman. He has submitted his resignation, so I therefore would ask for Mr. Ken Fegol, Private Citizen nominations to replace Mr. Pitura on the committee. Bill 31-The Livestock Industry Diversification and Mr. Peter Dyck (Pembina): Mr. Chairman, I would Consequential Amendments Act like to nominate the member for Turtle Mountain (Mr. Tweed). Mr. Ronald Mentz, Manitoba Veterinary Medical Association Mr. Chairperson: Themember forTurtle Mountain has Mr. Douglas Abra, Q.C., Manitoba Veterinary been nominated, Mr. Tweed. Any further nominations? Medical Association I see no further nominations. I declare Mr. Tweed elected Ms. Vicki Burns, The Winnipeg Humane Society as Vice-Chairman of the Standing Committee on Ms. Tracy Hughes, Private Citizen Agriculture. Mr. James Pearson, People Acting for Animal Liberation Mr. Gary Stott, Manitoba Elk Growers' Association We have before us six bills to consider. The first bill Mr. Brion Whitford, Keeseekoowenin First Nation for consideration is Bill 5, The Horticultural Society Mr. Kelly Taylor, Private Citizen Repeal Act. What I am going to do is ask whether there Mr. John Rutley, Private Citizen are any presentations on all these bills, and the first biii 2 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 1 , 1996 that comes up with presentations, we will deal with that time limit of 15 minutes, I 0 and five, I 0 for the bill and then continue on from there. The Horticultural presentation and five for the questions to the presenters. Society Repeal Act, are there any presenters in the audience? I see none. We will leave that bill then, ifit Ms. RosanoWow chuk (Swan River): Mr. Chairman, is the wish of the committee for further consideration I would just like clarification. I believe it has been later on. traditional to have 15 minutes for presenters. I am not wanting to see us try to restrict the presenters or the Bill 6, The Veterinary Science Scholarship Fund questions tosuch a greatde gree. If it has been traditional Amendment Act, are there any presenters out in the that wehave 15 minutes for presenters, then I would say audience? I see none. that as long as we are not moving to restrict-we do not have thatmany presenters tonight. We have seen that we have several bills thatwill move along fairly quickly, and Bill23, TheGRIP and Related Programs Termination I can tell you that we do not have amendments, so I do and Consequential Amendments Act, are there any not think we should try to restrict too much. presenters in the audience? I see none. Mr. Chairpenon: I have no problem in allowing 15 Bill 24, The Agricultural Credit Corporation minutes for presenters if that is the wish of the Amendment Act, are there any presenters in the audience? committee. Yes, we have one. Ifit is the wish of the committee, we will deal then with The Agricultural Credit Corporation Ms. Wowchuk: And then questions following. Amendment Act first. Mr. Chairperson: And questions following. Agreed? Then Bill 30, The DairyAct, are there any presenters [agreed] there in the audience? No. Mr. Helwer: Mr. Chairman, I thought we had just The last one is Bill 31, The Livestock Industry agreedoo a process, andthat was the same as we did last Diversificationand Consequential Amendments Act. Are week. We had a committee hearing last week and we there any presenters on that one? Yes, I see a number. went through a process, and we established a I 0-minute presentation and a five-minute question period, and I We will deal then, ifit is the wish of the committee, thought we had agreed with that. with Bill 24, The Agricultural Credit Corporation Amendment Act, and I will ask the Page to distribute Don. Harry Enns (Minister of Agriculture): Mr. copies of the act ifyou have not got those. Raise your Chairman and committee members, I am more than hands for those that wish a copy of the act. All have disposed to go along with the general liberal tendencies them? of our Chair to decide whether I 0 or 15 minutes have elapsed. Mr. Edward Hdwer (Gimli): Mr. Chairman, I believe we should possibly hear all the presenters first and then Mr. Chairpenon: What is the will of the committee? go clause by clause, all the bills together. I would also Is it the will of the committee, the suggestion that was suggest that we have a time limit on the presenters, made, thatthere be 15 minutes for presentations and then perhaps 10 minutesfor the presenter and five minutes for questions after? questions. Mr. Helwer: Mr. Chairman, if you would like to Mr. Chairperson: Are we agreed to that suggestion? amalgamate the I 0 and five together and make it 15 [agreed] minutes altogether, but if they are longer than 10, if the questions are less, that is less than the five, that is fine, We will thenhear all the presenters on all the acts first, but 15 minutes in total is what we did last week, and I and we will deal with clause-by-clause considerations thinkwe shouldtry to keep the same rules as we had last after we have heard all the presenters, and we will put a week. They went very well. October 1 , 1996 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3 Mr. Chairperson: Okay, ifyou allow the Chair a bit of My dad passed away; the trustees were not notified. It discretion in this matter, I think it will work well. has never been done in the history of MACC. It has Agreed to that? [agreed] never been done in Canada. We had our trust with MACC; we relinquished loans with the Bank of Ms. Wowchuk: Mr. Chairman, as you know, ifit is the Commerce to put our trust in with MACC, then they wish of the committee that has the majority of abandoned us, sold it to a third party. I lost my house; membership to decide that it is 15 minutes that we are the rest is history. going to allow for each presenter, then you have the powerto do so, but I would just like to put on the record So now Bill 24 comes up, and in the covering letter that I do not want this committee to appear that they are there, and 31 (h) there is one place in the MACC act tryingto restrict input.
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