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INTERIOR, ENVIRONMENT, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 2010 HEARINGS BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED ELEVENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION SUBCOMMITTEE ON INTERIOR, ENVIRONMENT, AND RELATED AGENCIES NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington, Chairman JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia MICHAEL K. SIMPSON, Idaho ALAN B. MOLLOHAN, West Virginia KEN CALVERT, California BEN CHANDLER, Kentucky STEVEN C. LATOURETTE, Ohio MAURICE D. HINCHEY, New York TOM COLE, Oklahoma JOHN W. OLVER, Massachusetts ED PASTOR, Arizona DAVID E. PRICE, North Carolina NOTE: Under Committee Rules, Mr. Obey, as Chairman of the Full Committee, and Mr. Lewis, as Ranking Minority Member of the Full Committee, are authorized to sit as Members of all Subcommittees. DELIA SCOTT, CHRISTOPHER TOPIK, GREG KNADLE, JULIE FALKNER, and BETH HOUSER Staff Assistants PART 6 Page Forest Service Oversight—Possible Move of the Forest Service to the Department of the Interior .................... 1 Forest Service Oversight ....................................................... 97 National Endowment for the Arts ....................................... 199 U.S. Forest Service .................................................................. 259 Environmental Protection Agency ...................................... 357 ( Printed for the use of the Committee on Appropriations VerDate Nov 24 2008 03:02 Sep 16, 2009 Jkt 051948 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 7513 Sfmt 7513 E:\HR\OC\51948P1.XXX 51948P1 smartinez on DSKB9S0YB1PROD with HEARING Part 6 FS NEA EPA VerDate Nov 24 2008 03:02 Sep 16, 2009 Jkt 051948 PO 00000 Frm 00002 Fmt 6019 Sfmt 6019 E:\HR\OC\51948P1.XXX 51948P1 smartinez on DSKB9S0YB1PROD with HEARING with DSKB9S0YB1PROD on smartinez INTERIOR, ENVIRONMENT, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 2010 VerDate Nov 24 2008 03:02 Sep 16, 2009 Jkt 051948 PO 00000 Frm 00003 Fmt 6019 Sfmt 6019 E:\HR\OC\51948P1.XXX 51948P1 smartinez on DSKB9S0YB1PROD with HEARING with DSKB9S0YB1PROD on smartinez VerDate Nov 24 2008 03:02 Sep 16, 2009 Jkt 051948 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 6019 Sfmt 6019 E:\HR\OC\51948P1.XXX 51948P1 smartinez on DSKB9S0YB1PROD with HEARING INTERIOR, ENVIRONMENT, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 2010 HEARINGS BEFORE A SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED ELEVENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION SUBCOMMITTEE ON INTERIOR, ENVIRONMENT, AND RELATED AGENCIES NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington, Chairman JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia MICHAEL K. SIMPSON, Idaho ALAN B. MOLLOHAN, West Virginia KEN CALVERT, California BEN CHANDLER, Kentucky STEVEN C. LATOURETTE, Ohio MAURICE D. HINCHEY, New York TOM COLE, Oklahoma JOHN W. OLVER, Massachusetts ED PASTOR, Arizona DAVID E. PRICE, North Carolina NOTE: Under Committee Rules, Mr. Obey, as Chairman of the Full Committee, and Mr. Lewis, as Ranking Minority Member of the Full Committee, are authorized to sit as Members of all Subcommittees. DELIA SCOTT, CHRISTOPHER TOPIK, GREG KNADLE, JULIE FALKNER, and BETH HOUSER Staff Assistants PART 6 Page Forest Service Oversight—Possible Move of the Forest Service to the Department of the Interior .................... 1 Forest Service Oversight ....................................................... 97 National Endowment for the Arts ....................................... 199 U.S. Forest Service .................................................................. 259 Environmental Protection Agency ...................................... 357 ( Printed for the use of the Committee on Appropriations U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 51–948 WASHINGTON : 2009 VerDate Nov 24 2008 03:02 Sep 16, 2009 Jkt 051948 PO 00000 Frm 00005 Fmt 7513 Sfmt 7513 E:\HR\OC\51948P1.XXX 51948P1 smartinez on DSKB9S0YB1PROD with HEARING COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin, Chairman JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania JERRY LEWIS, California NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida ALAN B. MOLLOHAN, West Virginia HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio FRANK R. WOLF, Virginia PETER J. VISCLOSKY, Indiana JACK KINGSTON, Georgia NITA M. LOWEY, New York RODNEY P. FRELINGHUYSEN, New JOSE´ E. SERRANO, New York Jersey ROSA L. DELAURO, Connecticut TODD TIAHRT, Kansas JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia ZACH WAMP, Tennessee JOHN W. OLVER, Massachusetts TOM LATHAM, Iowa ED PASTOR, Arizona ROBERT B. ADERHOLT, Alabama DAVID E. PRICE, North Carolina JO ANN EMERSON, Missouri CHET EDWARDS, Texas KAY GRANGER, Texas PATRICK J. KENNEDY, Rhode Island MICHAEL K. SIMPSON, Idaho MAURICE D. HINCHEY, New York JOHN ABNEY CULBERSON, Texas LUCILLE ROYBAL-ALLARD, California MARK STEVEN KIRK, Illinois SAM FARR, California ANDER CRENSHAW, Florida JESSE L. JACKSON, JR., Illinois DENNIS R. REHBERG, Montana CAROLYN C. KILPATRICK, Michigan JOHN R. CARTER, Texas ALLEN BOYD, Florida RODNEY ALEXANDER, Louisiana CHAKA FATTAH, Pennsylvania KEN CALVERT, California STEVEN R. ROTHMAN, New Jersey JO BONNER, Alabama SANFORD D. BISHOP, JR., Georgia STEVEN C. LATOURETTE, Ohio MARION BERRY, Arkansas TOM COLE, Oklahoma BARBARA LEE, California ADAM SCHIFF, California MICHAEL HONDA, California BETTY MCCOLLUM, Minnesota STEVE ISRAEL, New York TIM RYAN, Ohio C.A. ‘‘DUTCH’’ RUPPERSBERGER, Maryland BEN CHANDLER, Kentucky DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, Florida CIRO RODRIGUEZ, Texas LINCOLN DAVIS, Tennessee JOHN T. SALAZAR, Colorado BEVERLY PHETO, Clerk and Staff Director (II) VerDate Nov 24 2008 03:02 Sep 16, 2009 Jkt 051948 PO 00000 Frm 00006 Fmt 7513 Sfmt 7513 E:\HR\OC\51948P1.XXX 51948P1 smartinez on DSKB9S0YB1PROD with HEARING DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, ENVIRON- MENT, AND RELATED AGENCIES APPRO- PRIATIONS FOR 2010 TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2009. FOREST SERVICE OVERSIGHT—POSSIBLE MOVE OF THE FOREST SERVICE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTE- RIOR WITNESSES ROBIN NAZZARO, DIRECTOR FOR NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVI- RONMENT MIKE DOMBECK, UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN SYSTEM FELLOW & PRO- FESSOR OF GLOBAL CONSERVATION, UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN AT STEVENS POINT; FORMER CHIEF, U.S. FOREST SERVICE AND ACTING DIRECTOR, BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT LEAH MACSWORDS, KENTUCKY STATE FORESTER, CURRENT PRESI- DENT OF NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF STATE FORESTERS BILL MEADOWS, PRESIDENT, THE WILDERNESS SOCIETY BERYL RADIN, SCHOLAR IN RESIDENCE, SCHOOL OF PUBLIC AF- FAIRS, AMERICAN UNIVERSITY; FELLOW, NATIONAL ACADEMY OF PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION CHAIRMAN DICKS OPENING STATEMENT Mr. DICKS. Today we start the subcommittee’s public activities in the 111th Congress with an oversight hearing looking at the Forest Service and whether it should be moved from Agriculture to the Department of the Interior. But first I would like to note some changes in our subcommittee membership and then mention the future oversight hearings we will conduct while the Obama Administration is developing de- tailed budgets for fiscal year 2010. I welcome the new ranking member, my friend from the northwest, Mike Simpson of Idaho. He and I will work closely throughout the appropriations process. I also welcome our new Democratic member, David Price, who re- places Tom Udall, now in the Senate. We also have two new Re- publican members, Steve LaTourette of Ohio and Tom Cole of Oklahoma. We will begin this year with a series of oversight hearings. Today we look at the question of whether the Forest Service might oper- ate better in the Interior Department. This issue is largely an au- thorizing committee matter but the question comes up every year during our budget hearings on the Forest Service and when we deal with wildfire issues. Next week we will begin a series of over- sight hearings at which the General Accountability Office and the (1) VerDate Nov 24 2008 03:50 Sep 16, 2009 Jkt 051948 PO 00000 Frm 00001 Fmt 6633 Sfmt 6633 E:\HR\OC\A948P2.XXX A948P2 tjames on DSK5CLS3C1PROD with HEARING 2 respective inspector generals will present summaries of key issues and findings for consideration by this subcommittee. We will also have oversight hearings on EPA issues and on additional Forest Service issues. Later this spring we will hold public witness hear- ings and then our annual budget hearings once the President sub- mits his detailed request. Now let’s turn to today’s hearing. The Forest Service is the only one of our major land management agencies that is not in the De- partment of the Interior. However, the appropriation for the Forest Service has been part of this subcommittee since 1955. Hence, it is natural for this subcommittee to review policy, management and funding priorities of the Forest Service in direct comparison to the bureaus in the Interior Department. However, we regularly see in- consistencies between the two departments. We see that there is room for much more collaboration which would make federal land management more effective as well as efficient. There are a variety of policy matters which could be improved with departmental con- solidation. I will mention just a couple examples. For instance, one of the mostly highly coordinated federal pro- grams is the wildland fire management efforts of the Forest Service and the Interior Department. Nevertheless, in the last budget re- quest from the Bush Administration, the two departments took quite different approaches to the proposed funding of basic fire- fighting preparedness. The Interior Department requested rel- atively level funding whereas the Forest Service budget included a reduction of nearly 600 FTEs in the wildfire program and other large fire program funding decreases. This subcommittee had a hearing on this matter and we then rejected these differences. I think it is less likely that such gross