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Debates Proceedings Legislative Assembly of Manitoba DEBATES and PROCEEDINGS Speaker The Honourable Peter Fox Vol. XXll No. 37 8:00 p.m., Monday, April 7th, 1975. Second Session, 30th Legislature. Printed by R. S. Evans - Queen's Printer for Province of Manitoba Political Postal Electoral Division Name Address Affiliation Code ARTHUR J. Douglas Watt P.C. Reston, Man. ROM 1XO ASSINIBOIA Steve Patrick Lib. 10 Red Roblin Pl., Winnipeg R3.J 3L8 BIRTLE-RUSSELL Harry E. Graham P.C. Binscarth, Man. ROJ OGO BRANDON EAST Hon. Leonard S. Evans NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 BRANDON WEST Edward McGill P.C. 2228 Princess Ave .. Brandon R7B OH9 BURROWS Hon. Ben Hanuschak NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 CHAR LESWOOD Arthur Moug P.C. 29 Willow Ridge Rd., Winnipeg R3R 1L5 CHURCHILL Les Osland NDP 66 Radisson Blvd., Churchill ROB OEO CRESCENTWOOD Vacant DAUPHIN Hon. Peter Burtniak NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 ELMWOOD Hon. Russell J. Doern NDP Legislative Bldg.. Winnipeg R3C OV8 EMERSON Steve Derewianchuk NDP Vita, Manitoba ROA 2KO FLIN FLON Thomas Barrow NDP Cranberry Portage, Man. ROB OHO FORT GARRY L.R. (Bud) Sherman P.C. 86 Niagara St., Winnipeg R3N OT9 FORT ROUGE Lloyd Axworthy Lib. 132 Osborne St. s.. Winnipeg R3L 1Y5 GIMLI John C. Gottfried NDP 44 - 3rd Ave.. Gimli, Man. ROC 1BO GLADSTONE James R. Ferguson P.C. Gladstone, Man. ROJ OTO INKSTER Hon. Sidney Green, 0.C. NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 KILDONAN Hon. Peter Fox NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 LAC DU BONNET Hon. Sam Uskiw NDP Legislative Bldg.. Winnipeg R3C OV8 LAKESIDE Harry J. Enns P.C. Woodlands, Man. ROC 3HO LA VERENDRYE Bob Banman P.C. Steinbach, Man. ROA 2AO LOGAN William Jenkins NDP 1294 Erin St., Winnipeg R3E 2S6 MINNEDOSA David Blake P.C. Minnedosa, Man. ROJ 1EO MORRIS Warner H. Jorgenson P.C. Morris, Man. ROG 1KO OSBORNE Hon. Ian Turnbull NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 PEMBINA George Henderson P.C. Manitou, Man. ROG 1GO POINT DOUGLAS Donald Malinowski NDP 23 Coralberry Ave., Winnipeg R2V 2P2 PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE Gordon E. Johnston Lib. 26-120 - 6th St., S.E .. Portage la Prairie, Man. R1N 1E8 RADISSON Harry Shafransky NDP 4 Maplehurst Rd., Winnipeg R2J 1W8 RHINELAND Arnold Brown P.C. Winkler, Man. ROG 2XO RIEL Donald W. Craik P.C. 3 River Lane, Winnipeg R2M 3Y8 RIVER HEIGHTS Sidney Spivak, O.C. P.C. Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 ROBLIN J. Wally McKenzie P.C. Inglis, Man. ROJ OXO ROCK LAKE Henry J. Einarson P.C. Glenboro, Man. ROK OXO ROSSMERE Hon. Ed. Schreyer NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 RUPERTSLAND Hon. Harvey Bostrom NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 ST. BONIFACE Hon. L.L. Desjardins NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 ST. GEORGE Hon. Bill Uruski NDP 10th fir., 330 Portage Ave., Wpg. R3C OC4 ST. JAMES George Minaker P.C. 318 Ronald St.. Winnipeg R 3.J 3.18 ST. JOHNS Saul Cherniack, Q.C. NDP 333 St.Johns Ave., Winnipeg R2W 1H2 ST. MATTHEWS Wally Johannson NDP 418 Home St., Winnipeg R3G 1X4 ST. VITAL D.J. Walding NDP 26 Hemlock Place, Winnipeg R2H 1L7 STE. ROSE A.R. (Pete) Adam NDP Ste. Rose du Lac, Man. ROL 1SO SELKIRK Hon. Howard Pawley NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 SEVEN OAKS Hon. Saul A. Miller NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 SCJURIS KILLARNEY Earl McKellar P.C. Nesbitt, Man. ROK 1PO SPRINGFIELD Hon. Rene E. Toupin NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 STURGEON CREEK J. Frank Johnston P.C. 310 Overdale St., Winnipeg R3.J 2G3 SWAN RIVER James H. Bilton P.C. Swan River, Man. ROL 1ZO THE PAS Hon. Ron McBryde NDP Legislative Bldg.. Winnipeg R3C OV8 THOMPSON Ken Dillen NDP 84Pintail Cres., Thompson R8N 1A6 TRANSCONA Hon. Russell Paulley NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 VIRDEN Morris McGregor P.C. Kenton, Man. ROM OZO WELLINGTON Philip M. Petursson NDP 681 Banning St., Winnipeg RJG 2G3 WINNIPEG CENTRE Hon. J.R. (Bud) Boyce NDP Legislative Bldg., Winnipeg R3C OV8 WOLSELEY Vacant 1017 THE LEGISL ATNE ASSEMBL Y OF MAN ITO BA 8:00 o•clock, Monday, April 7, 1975 SUPPLY - EDUCATION MR. CHAIRMAN: Re solution 46(a) . The Honourable Ministe r of Ed ucation. MR. HAN USCHAK : Well, Mr. Chairman, I did promise the Honourable Leader of the Official Opposition and the Me mbe r for Brandon West some information in re sponse to the que stions that the Honourable Leader, in particular, put to me just before we broke off for the dinne r hour. I re gre t to say that I do not have the answe rs at this mome nt. The y should be arriving mome ntarily. MR. CHAIRMAN : The Honourable Leade r of the Opposition. I MR. SPIV AK : Possibly while we •re waiting for the information and the re may be in fact some othe r que stions to be asked whe n the information. I want to unde rstand , if I can, that the core are a programs that the Honourable Ministe r refe rred to, are in esse nce the programs that we •ve had outlined to us, not in full detail but that have been summarized in part of the programs that have be en me ntioned. Is that corre ct? MR. HAN USCHAK: Mr. Chairman, I•m still at a loss to know what the honourable me mbe r me ans by the te rm "core are a." I used the te rm core are a with re ference to a ge ographic are a of Winnipe g MR. SPIV AK : We ll I•m talking in terms of what will be the are as of urban re ne wal numbe r two, the are as in the blighted are a around the ce ntral busine ss district, which you refe r to as the core are a. Now I•m asking with re spe ct to planning ...Sir? Well, ap.:ain I want to understand corre ctly that the programs Planning and Re search have be en involved in, I•m conce rned with are they two or thre e programs that have been me ntioned in summary, at le ast in the global figure s, me ntioned earlie r? Am I corre ct? Are the re any othe r programs that are involved in which Planning and Re se arch are involved in? MR. HANUSCHAK: I be lie ve the honourable me mbe r is corre ct, if I understand him corre ctly. In re sponse to the honourable me mbe r•s que stion: In the REAP Program 2 -1 /2 SMYs $23, 702; 2-1/2 SMY on contract, $45 , 900, for a total of $69, 600. Othe r expe nditure s $2 9, 000. And $2 00, OOO by way of grants to school divisions, to the eight school divisions which partici­ pate in this program. MR. SPIV AK : I•m assuming you have the details for each program. Is that right, or it just this one program? MR. HANUS CHAK : I•m atte mpting to give the information to the honourable me mber that he asked for. MR. SPIVAK: No, but le t•s understand that what I assumed you would do would be to give us the program, the details for each program, for the REAP Program, the He adstart Program, all of the programs that have be en .•. MR. HAN USCHAK: I am atte mtping to give the information that the honourable me mbe r asked. He says he is assuming that I•m giving the details. I could give more details. The re are othe r de tails also. MR. SPIV AK: No, but Mr. Chairman, just so that we unde rstand cle arly. I asked the Honourable Minister if he could indicate unde r each spe cific program undertaking under Planning and Re se arch, whe the r in ad dition to the support staff that•s ind icated in the 30 pe ople who are employed, that erch program if it did have additional pe ople involved by way of salary or by way of contract, that the ind ication be give n of how many and the amounts for each se parate program. And I gathe r for the REAP Program he is giving us that information. If I•m corre ct in summary, he said that the re are two pe ople who are on salary and the ir salarie s are such an amount, the re are two pe ople on contract and the contracts are for that amount, and he •s talking, I assume , on the REAP Program. Is that corre ct? MR. HANTJSCHAK: We ll that was what I said , ye s. MR. SPIV AK: We ll, are we going to ge t information on the othe r programs:? My under­ standing of the undertaking was that he would de al with each one of the Planning and Re se arch programs and give us an ind ication of the bre akdown on each one of those programs. MR. HANUSCHAK: We ll, Mr. Chairman, I was dealing with one program and, before I was through dealing with it, the honourable me mbe r rose to ask a que stion. 1018 April 7, 1975 SUPPLY - EDUCATION MR. CHAIRM AN: Order. I th ought we esta bl ished the other da y tha t nobody would ga in th e fl oor until the Spea ker recognized him, Now itts very difficult for Mr. Sly, itt s very difficul t for Ha nsa rd sta ff, to record wh o•s spea king and wh at' s happening, If you•re not going to co-opera te, I•m going to have to ask tha t th e mikes be sh ut off until th e Chair recognizes you, Th e Honourabl e Leader of th e Opposition.
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