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1 00:00:03.419 --> 00:00:03.810 Kevin Magee: ready.

2 00:00:07.259 --> 00:00:08.580 Kevin Clark: Oh there's the recordings okay.

3 00:00:10.170 --> 00:00:17.039 Kevin Clark: All right, good evening everybody and welcome to the July 14 2021.

4 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:20.580 Kevin Clark: Regular kilford in the weapons Commission meeting.

5 00:00:21.870 --> 00:00:26.520 Kevin Clark: All all five Commission members here tonight are present and voting.

6 00:00:27.690 --> 00:00:30.540 Kevin Clark: Can I get a motion to approve the agenda as listed, please.

7 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:33.450 Wendy?s iPad: We accept the agenda.

8 00:00:35.010 --> 00:00:36.540 evabesmer: So I can knit either.

9 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:37.830 Thank you all.

10 00:00:40.440 --> 00:00:41.340 Kevin Clark: All those in favor.

11 00:00:42.090 --> 00:00:44.580 Jeff Parker: Aye Aye Aye.

12 00:00:47.340 --> 00:01:07.410 Kevin Clark: i'm fine i'm speaking of proving emotion i've been told that we have to now, I have to now announce each individual person to receive their vote so that it's clear on the record, who voted and how they voted, I am not going to do it for the approval of the agenda.

13 00:01:12.210 --> 00:01:15.000 Kevin Clark: Be applications Madeline spark.

14 00:01:16.020 --> 00:01:32.100 Kevin Clark: To 05 Marshall avenue map 1645 regulate activity constructed nine foot by 25 foot bedroom addition and nine by 16 entry deck at the front of the House within hundred foot upland review area.

15 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:37.890 Kevin Magee: So we received a revised plans.

16 00:01:39.060 --> 00:01:59.760 Kevin Magee: From the applicant, along with a revised application indicating that they are going to be constructing it by 25 edition in an eight by 16 edition and Scott, the contractor here is present to kind of go over the changes and bring them up on the screen for you.

17 00:02:01.410 --> 00:02:01.710 Good.

18 00:02:16.290 --> 00:02:19.140 Kevin Magee: Okay, everybody let's go the right page.

19 00:02:20.610 --> 00:02:21.570 Kevin Magee: Everybody see this.

20 00:03:11.310 --> 00:03:13.560 Kevin Magee: So Scott what's the changes you guys are doing here.

21 00:03:21.390 --> 00:03:22.560 Kevin Clark: oops you get dropped.

22 00:03:23.790 --> 00:03:24.600 Kevin Magee: know is.

23 00:03:25.650 --> 00:03:27.570 Kevin Magee: There may be.

24 00:03:27.600 --> 00:03:28.050 muted.

25 00:03:34.050 --> 00:03:37.680 Kevin Magee: Nicholas shared screen here, so I can see what he's got going on.

26 00:03:46.110 --> 00:03:46.860 Kevin Magee: he's.

27 00:03:46.950 --> 00:03:49.590 Kevin Magee: Okay, you did okay you're good now me.

28 00:03:50.100 --> 00:03:50.370 iPad (78)Scott: Now.

29 00:03:51.150 --> 00:03:52.740 Kevin Clark: you're good welcome.

30 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:54.930 iPad (78)Scott: hello, good evening.

31 00:03:56.100 --> 00:04:10.320 iPad (78)Scott: Right, so what we have is the septic tank, for this is this is based on the health department for us to do the addition to the existing septic tank which we do not want to move.

32 00:04:11.700 --> 00:04:13.350 iPad (78)Scott: was too close to the addition.

33 00:04:14.790 --> 00:04:15.720 iPad (78)Scott: So we.

34 00:04:16.890 --> 00:04:29.190 iPad (78)Scott: made the addition we downsized eight foot with also there are two galleys one near the street and we're near the wetlands that are still too close to.

35 00:04:30.450 --> 00:04:49.710 iPad (78)Scott: The project, so we are removing sections of those eight foot sections and we are doing a noose galley between those sections, and those are the the Gray, and the shaded Gray, so we are eliminating two parts of galleys and adding a new gallery.

36 00:04:50.910 --> 00:04:54.060 iPad (78)Scott: This was plan was accepted by the health department.

37 00:05:01.740 --> 00:05:02.400 Kevin Clark: So.

38 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:03.900 Okay.

39 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:06.180 Kevin Clark: that's better Thank you Kevin.

40 00:05:07.140 --> 00:05:12.270 Kevin Magee: Large here so as what lens are back here which were delineated.

41 00:05:14.340 --> 00:05:15.750 Kevin Magee: For them, and then the.

42 00:05:16.830 --> 00:05:19.800 Kevin Magee: addition is in the yellow Is that correct.

43 00:05:20.220 --> 00:05:20.940 iPad (78)Scott: That is correct.

44 00:05:23.610 --> 00:05:30.780 Kevin Magee: So where's the two there's two editions here, you said, the ones, a young age by 25 the state by 25.

45 00:05:31.230 --> 00:05:39.840 iPad (78)Scott: that's the living condition and the deck is just the lower section, it shows the deck and stairs.

46 00:05:40.200 --> 00:05:43.380 Kevin Magee: Okay, so just below here is impacted by 16 deck.

47 00:05:43.740 --> 00:05:45.870 Kevin Magee: Correct steps coming down.

48 00:05:46.470 --> 00:05:46.920 Correct.

49 00:05:49.170 --> 00:05:50.610 Kevin Magee: In the Gray areas of the.

50 00:05:52.770 --> 00:05:54.480 Kevin Magee: systems being rearranged.

51 00:05:54.810 --> 00:05:55.410 Yes.

52 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:03.480 Kevin Clark: Okay.

53 00:06:07.020 --> 00:06:08.280 Kevin Clark: Anybody have any questions.

54 00:06:08.760 --> 00:06:10.140 Kevin Magee: And we do have a.

55 00:06:13.050 --> 00:06:14.040 Kevin Magee: health department.

56 00:06:17.370 --> 00:06:20.490 Kevin Magee: approve the application there.

57 00:06:21.180 --> 00:06:28.380 Kevin Clark: Okay, did they did they submit a letter or do they have anything specific they wanted to address concerning.

58 00:06:30.420 --> 00:06:35.820 Kevin Clark: Well lens or they just basically they gave it their approval, based on Health Code.

59 00:06:42.780 --> 00:06:47.070 Kevin Magee: i'll give you the have me pull that up here me stop this one pop up there.

60 00:06:51.900 --> 00:06:56.640 Kevin Magee: So they sign their portion of this there sanitary permit.

61 00:07:31.980 --> 00:07:34.410 Kevin Magee: Not loading, for me, but they.

62 00:07:37.650 --> 00:07:39.780 Kevin Magee: Here we go okay me up.

63 00:07:49.980 --> 00:07:52.920 Kevin Magee: They signed off on this plan we have.

64 00:07:56.070 --> 00:08:00.420 Kevin Magee: With their notes of by surely on today's date.

65 00:08:02.700 --> 00:08:09.360 Kevin Magee: With the note three located install new galleys per the plan seven 120 21, which is, I believe the one we're looking at now.

66 00:08:14.940 --> 00:08:15.300 Kevin Clark: Okay.

67 00:08:16.860 --> 00:08:18.090 Kevin Clark: So basically.

68 00:08:19.230 --> 00:08:20.790 Kevin Clark: They just followed their typical.

69 00:08:23.190 --> 00:08:28.890 Kevin Clark: Health Code template so they the galleys had removed because they were too close to the addition.

70 00:08:29.430 --> 00:08:36.060 Kevin Clark: And the new the new the new galleys met the requirements as far as distance to.

71 00:08:38.160 --> 00:08:38.670 Kevin Clark: A wetland.

72 00:08:40.110 --> 00:08:41.250 Kevin Magee: The distance.

73 00:08:41.550 --> 00:08:43.890 Kevin Magee: For you, the addition.

74 00:08:44.820 --> 00:08:45.600 Kevin Clark: that's pretty much it.

75 00:08:46.380 --> 00:08:56.760 Kevin Magee: And then, they have to be at least 25 from a wetland scale here if I believe that, yes, what sufficient here okay.

76 00:09:13.710 --> 00:09:15.240 Kevin Clark: Anybody have any questions.

77 00:09:20.640 --> 00:09:21.900 Kevin Magee: Duffy from the wetlands.

78 00:09:22.110 --> 00:09:22.980 Kevin Clark: 30 okay.

79 00:09:23.010 --> 00:09:24.120 Kevin Magee: At least 30 correct.

80 00:09:34.050 --> 00:09:36.210 Kevin Clark: If you wouldn't mind popping that back up there for a second.

81 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:38.190 Kevin Clark: Certainly, thank you.

82 00:09:40.350 --> 00:09:41.790 Kevin Clark: that's and that's basically.

83 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:44.100 Kevin Clark: For any.

84 00:09:46.680 --> 00:09:55.470 Kevin Clark: New new constructed septic grabbing we've got older subjects that are closer than that, then I guess i'm wondering like if the existing.

85 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:01.080 Kevin Clark: galley that you're close to now is actually within 30 feet.

86 00:10:01.680 --> 00:10:05.670 Kevin Magee: yeah I just measured this one of the plan here so that's just over 30 feet to this.

87 00:10:05.670 --> 00:10:06.180 Kevin Clark: code is.

88 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:07.590 Kevin Clark: Here okay okay.

89 00:10:09.540 --> 00:10:17.340 Kevin Clark: So, at the end of the day, there's really there's no there's still the same amount of galley in the upland review area.

90 00:10:17.400 --> 00:10:20.460 Kevin Magee: There was no, they just shifted this be clear and dropped it down the.

91 00:10:21.090 --> 00:10:21.570 Kevin Clark: Right looks like.

92 00:10:21.900 --> 00:10:26.250 Kevin Clark: A year one exchange with taking out old galley and and putting in new galley.

93 00:10:28.140 --> 00:10:28.470 Kevin Clark: Okay.

94 00:10:31.410 --> 00:10:33.000 Kevin Magee: This book what closing see their.

95 00:10:33.030 --> 00:10:34.320 Kevin Magee: bios here for.

96 00:10:35.580 --> 00:10:36.660 Kevin Magee: It starts.

97 00:10:38.730 --> 00:10:41.460 Kevin Magee: being removed this one here.

98 00:10:42.690 --> 00:10:45.450 Kevin Magee: proposed new this one here 16 feet.

99 00:10:47.400 --> 00:10:48.120 Kevin Magee: And then.

100 00:10:48.150 --> 00:10:51.240 Kevin Clark: She eats an increase of two feet, or is that not wait.

101 00:10:51.450 --> 00:10:52.920 Kevin Magee: This one here being removed.

102 00:10:53.220 --> 00:10:54.270 Kevin Clark: Now is equal OK.

103 00:10:58.410 --> 00:11:00.510 Kevin Magee: So the kind of shuffle i'm around in this yes.

104 00:11:00.540 --> 00:11:03.840 Kevin Clark: Based a week with sections coming out when 16 foot section going in.

105 00:11:04.290 --> 00:11:04.710 Correct.

106 00:11:05.790 --> 00:11:06.870 iPad (78)Scott: Okay, so right.

107 00:11:10.530 --> 00:11:10.920 Kevin Clark: I.

108 00:11:12.090 --> 00:11:15.300 Kevin Clark: don't have any other questions either.

109 00:11:28.410 --> 00:11:30.780 Kevin Magee: matt Davidson did the what lens.

110 00:11:33.810 --> 00:11:34.500 Kevin Magee: review.

111 00:11:36.210 --> 00:11:37.110 Kevin Magee: Is a letter.

112 00:11:38.130 --> 00:11:39.390 Kevin Magee: Within the document here.

113 00:11:43.230 --> 00:11:47.040 Kevin Magee: indicating is delineation that he did Okay, a lot of tapes.

114 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:49.440 Kevin Magee: And that is.

115 00:11:50.490 --> 00:11:54.450 Kevin Magee: sketch mad map which was picked up by the surveyor and placed on our plan.

116 00:11:59.610 --> 00:12:03.750 Kevin Clark: Okay looks good Thank you you're finally made everybody happy.

117 00:12:10.050 --> 00:12:13.050 Kevin Clark: All right, with no further questions, then I will.

118 00:12:15.030 --> 00:12:16.020 Kevin Clark: get into the emotion.

119 00:12:17.610 --> 00:12:33.180 Kevin Clark: Excuse me hello to the girlfriend the weapons Commission approved daily activity for Madeline scarf tool five Marshall avenue map 16 lat 45 for regular activity construction eight foot by 25 actually it's a nine foot by 25 foot bedroom edition right.

120 00:12:34.380 --> 00:12:35.490 iPad (78)Scott: Now, no states.

121 00:12:37.050 --> 00:12:42.300 Kevin Magee: We made a correction on to the motion the agenda didn't get the correction.

122 00:12:42.660 --> 00:12:43.080 gotcha.

123 00:12:45.450 --> 00:13:03.660 Kevin Clark: So it is eight by 25 and then an eight by 16 entry decade front of the House, and then hundred foot jurisdiction review shown unlimited property boundary survey zoning location survey prepared by Giuliano associates dated December 9 2020 and revise June 30 2021 with the following conditions.

124 00:13:04.890 --> 00:13:07.260 Kevin Clark: Keep one keep to keep three.

125 00:13:08.940 --> 00:13:10.380 Kevin Clark: We need a stone wrap wrap here.

126 00:13:10.860 --> 00:13:12.990 Kevin Clark: Yes, wars in.

127 00:13:14.370 --> 00:13:17.190 Kevin Clark: 567 and.

128 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:22.500 Kevin Clark: 879 knows no planting plan.

129 00:13:26.820 --> 00:13:29.010 Kevin Clark: A 11 is in.

130 00:13:34.770 --> 00:13:51.270 Kevin Clark: No way being see with 1112 1314 any changes to the pro plan must be submitted in and weapons Commission for approval 15 adolescent extension is granted must begin within one year.

131 00:13:52.440 --> 00:14:00.780 Kevin Clark: This permit expires five years in the date of approval is triggered activities approved based upon the finding that there's no feasible or proven alternate and completion of this project.

132 00:14:02.070 --> 00:14:03.930 Wendy?s iPad: I second that this is Wendy.

133 00:14:04.380 --> 00:14:05.100 Kevin Clark: Thank you.

134 00:14:06.300 --> 00:14:07.170 Kevin Clark: Any discussion.

135 00:14:10.740 --> 00:14:11.970 Kevin Clark: All those in favor.

136 00:14:13.050 --> 00:14:14.730 Kevin Magee: You go nameless yep.

137 00:14:17.820 --> 00:14:18.990 Kevin Clark: Wendy, how do you go.

138 00:14:21.180 --> 00:14:21.660 Wendy?s iPad: hi.

139 00:14:22.530 --> 00:14:25.590 evabesmer: Eva hi Jeff.

140 00:14:27.450 --> 00:14:27.990 Jeff Parker: Scott.

141 00:14:36.420 --> 00:14:37.530 iPad (78)Scott: I don't think I can go.

142 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:40.590 Kevin Magee: The other Scott.

143 00:14:41.370 --> 00:14:41.970 Scott Williams: Was muted.

144 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:43.860 Kevin Clark: Okay, thank you.

145 00:14:44.340 --> 00:14:48.450 Kevin Clark: Are in Clark votes yay as well.

146 00:14:51.810 --> 00:14:53.220 Kevin Clark: you're done all set.

147 00:14:53.550 --> 00:14:57.480 iPad (78)Scott: I really do, thank you very much, thank you very much, thanks.

148 00:14:57.600 --> 00:14:58.560 Kevin Clark: you're welcome have a good night.

149 00:14:59.040 --> 00:14:59.370 iPad (78)Scott: Thank you.

150 00:15:02.880 --> 00:15:16.230 Kevin Clark: Number to Alan em and Sarah be for rucci little mental roadmap 97 lot 33 rail activity and boundary clarification installation of a driveway to access the proposed single family home within 100 foot upland review.

151 00:15:18.540 --> 00:15:22.890 Kevin Clark: And we handle should or should we handle the boundary clarification first.

152 00:15:25.830 --> 00:15:27.240 Kevin Magee: uh yes.

153 00:15:27.270 --> 00:15:28.170 Kevin Clark: get it out of the way.

154 00:15:28.650 --> 00:15:29.400 Kevin Magee: Good either way.

155 00:15:31.350 --> 00:15:35.790 Kevin Clark: we'll just we'll just you know get the bad news either way right out of right out of the gate.

156 00:15:47.790 --> 00:15:51.570 Kevin Clark: I will just I don't I will just read the boundary clarification.

157 00:15:52.260 --> 00:15:58.590 Kevin Clark: resolved at the end of the wetland boundary is show our map title in the weapons radio radio activity plan portion of fruits you property.

158 00:15:58.950 --> 00:16:08.550 Kevin Clark: Little metal road guilford prepared by Andersen engineering surveying and associates state of April 1 2021 last revised June 30 2021 is substantially correct.

159 00:16:10.290 --> 00:16:11.640 Wendy?s iPad: Again this is Wendy.

160 00:16:14.010 --> 00:16:14.880 Kevin Clark: discussion.

161 00:16:16.680 --> 00:16:18.300 Kevin Clark: i'll just go really quick Wendy.

162 00:16:18.750 --> 00:16:20.250 Kevin Clark: I Eva.

163 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:28.950 Kevin Clark: Eva.

164 00:16:29.280 --> 00:16:32.370 Kevin Clark: Sorry okay sorry we have to do this now.

165 00:16:32.700 --> 00:16:34.380 evabesmer: yeah yeah I have to unmute.

166 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:35.280 Kevin Clark: yeah no.

167 00:16:36.300 --> 00:16:37.380 Wendy?s iPad: that's easy you.

168 00:16:37.470 --> 00:16:39.780 Kevin Clark: unmute all all night long Jeff.

169 00:16:40.920 --> 00:16:42.930 Jeff Parker: I got all right.

170 00:16:43.470 --> 00:16:44.400 Kevin Clark: And Clark is I.

171 00:16:46.650 --> 00:16:47.130 Kevin Clark: alright.

172 00:16:49.140 --> 00:16:49.980 Kevin Clark: that's out of the way.

173 00:16:52.170 --> 00:16:53.280 Kevin Clark: floors yours top.

174 00:16:54.420 --> 00:17:02.880 Todd Anderson: Good evening everyone, this is Todd Anderson from Anderson associates Boston post road in guilford for the record i'm.

175 00:17:06.210 --> 00:17:13.440 Todd Anderson: I don't know if Kevin has a copy of the letter from rich starsky that he can share with you.

176 00:17:14.850 --> 00:17:15.150 Kevin Magee: About.

177 00:17:15.900 --> 00:17:36.000 Todd Anderson: Obviously you've seen three iterations of plans for crossing this wetland to get to a single family house on 57 acres arm and our soil scientist rich turetsky has drafted a letter.

178 00:17:37.080 --> 00:17:50.970 Todd Anderson: favoring the one to the north, which is the one that we presented to you at the walk last Tuesday and we feel is the most viable option to cross this wetland.

179 00:17:51.480 --> 00:18:09.570 Todd Anderson: It is the driest part of the wetland is for this point away from that vernal pool that occurs near the existing crossing arm in all aspects, it is the best place to cross as well and.

180 00:18:10.590 --> 00:18:15.690 Todd Anderson: Obviously we need to cross it somewhere to get into the property to do anything.

181 00:18:17.010 --> 00:18:34.950 Todd Anderson: The fact that my client is going to build a single family home as opposed to the 11 lots that we had proposed in a study plan of a subdivision years ago is a plus in my mind i'm.

182 00:18:36.510 --> 00:18:37.920 Todd Anderson: In doing that.

183 00:18:39.840 --> 00:18:49.620 Todd Anderson: The rich took a look around, to see if there was anywhere, where we could mitigate arm and create any wetlands to.

184 00:18:50.640 --> 00:19:02.640 Todd Anderson: mitigate what we are proposing to destroy going across this wetland and there really is not the with the steep slopes, with all the tree cover.

185 00:19:03.180 --> 00:19:18.360 Todd Anderson: You would end up doing more damage than good in trying to mitigate any areas there, so what he has proposed is the planting of the bush's in the existing woods road crossing.

186 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:25.380 Todd Anderson: By adding in four inches of topsoil on top of it getting rid of that ditch that goes.

187 00:19:26.280 --> 00:19:47.280 Todd Anderson: That the water flows through so that vernal pool actually holds more water and makes it more viable for the spotted salamanders and the word frowns that he found when he did his assessment of that vernal pool um I don't know what else we can do to.

188 00:19:49.980 --> 00:20:05.430 Todd Anderson: mitigate the wetlands rich didn't think there was much else we could do I think we are having the least amount of impact on the wetlands and the property by doing what we are planning with this crossing.

189 00:20:07.770 --> 00:20:11.340 Todd Anderson: So I am open for any questions and comments.

190 00:20:13.470 --> 00:20:19.260 Kevin Magee: So just to make sure you got the river and the record that's the June 24 one that he's talking about what do we have another one after this.

191 00:20:19.410 --> 00:20:32.610 Todd Anderson: Is that is, that is, it I just emailed it to you again I email it to June 25 but I didn't see it on the website so I emailed it to you again just so you would have it, for this meeting.

192 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:35.700 Kevin Magee: yep it should be on the screen now off and back to shine.

193 00:20:36.600 --> 00:20:37.560 Kevin Magee: yeah okay.

194 00:20:48.570 --> 00:20:59.220 Todd Anderson: And I also met with janice please yak the tone engineer and went over any of her questions and concerns and her only concern.

195 00:20:59.910 --> 00:21:22.710 Todd Anderson: Was that the driveway pitches entirely towards the road i'll be at a very slow grade because we want to minimize the height of the driveway on the wetlands crossing but we're also dealing with how we're going to make it up that very steep hill with a driveway without having to blast.

196 00:21:24.270 --> 00:21:27.720 Todd Anderson: In the hundred foot reviews, on which I know.

197 00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:40.830 Todd Anderson: With record projects in the past, you guys don't want blasting within your review zone, so we have tried to minimize the grading of the driveway.

198 00:21:41.190 --> 00:22:01.620 Todd Anderson: Within the reviews on so right now, we feel that we do not have to blast at all within 100 foot reviews own so that is why we are so high, with our crossing of the wetlands, we have three foot retaining walls either inside of their driveway.

199 00:22:02.850 --> 00:22:25.020 Todd Anderson: We have a three foot buffer area between the driveway and the retaining wall for sloping from the driveway down to the retaining wall and in that area, we have an infiltration area where water from the driveway can make its way into the ground before flowing into the.

200 00:22:26.520 --> 00:22:34.860 Todd Anderson: wetlands and what I did was I added on the portion from the retaining walls to the road.

201 00:22:35.910 --> 00:22:46.620 Todd Anderson: Our slope there's going to be a crown the driveway to a grades to drain off of the driveway so any water concentration that may happen on the driveway.

202 00:22:46.980 --> 00:23:01.080 Todd Anderson: does not make its way onto the road, and that was a request from the tone engineer, so that was another thing that we took into consideration was her comments for that as well, and she provided the letter as well.

203 00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:04.950 Kevin Magee: Let me grab her letter here.

204 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:22.800 Kevin Magee: So here's this letter.

205 00:23:26.550 --> 00:23:32.610 Kevin Magee: indicating she's reviewed the application in pre construction of a new driveway for a single family House on this lot.

206 00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:40.860 Kevin Magee: Relocation the driveway to the north, nearly part makes lots of sense as they need to grade the land to overcome steep slopes further.

207 00:23:41.250 --> 00:23:50.220 Kevin Magee: In the past, the wetlands further past the wetlands, to allow that for our driveway with a great no steeper than 12% per town requirements, the first 10 to the driveway.

208 00:23:50.520 --> 00:24:01.110 Kevin Magee: At the road will be required to be paid for the driveway standard the remainder the driveway to be graded to drain to rent erosion and prevent water from the driveway entering the road so that's on.

209 00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:04.230 Kevin Magee: genesis letter.

210 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:06.030 Kevin Magee: i'm.

211 00:24:07.290 --> 00:24:12.660 Kevin Magee: Just to kind of go over the feasible put alternatives that we've been looking at i'm.

212 00:24:14.010 --> 00:24:21.930 Kevin Magee: Interested associates did provide a recently a option just a little bit south of the one we're looking at here.

213 00:24:26.280 --> 00:24:34.650 Kevin Magee: which we discussed before and time requested he moved to the one he has now and the other alternative.

214 00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:37.020 Kevin Magee: Is the.

215 00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:39.660 Kevin Magee: Existing location.

216 00:24:45.750 --> 00:24:50.190 Kevin Magee: Which is this one here shown so this one would have been um.

217 00:24:53.730 --> 00:24:58.290 Kevin Magee: How much this area would be impacting the Vernon pool area.

218 00:25:00.120 --> 00:25:01.410 Kevin Magee: To the driveway would have.

219 00:25:02.490 --> 00:25:08.370 Kevin Magee: graded into the vernal pools, because the existing driveway to this dashed line if i'm correct Todd.

220 00:25:08.910 --> 00:25:11.400 Todd Anderson: Yes, it is right right where your cursor is.

221 00:25:11.610 --> 00:25:12.420 Kevin Magee: That would be that.

222 00:25:13.470 --> 00:25:22.440 Kevin Magee: edge of the current driveway and you have this full distance here, which would have been impacted yes so basically the option.

223 00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:27.150 Kevin Magee: The options we liked as option one this one.

224 00:25:28.830 --> 00:25:38.880 Kevin Magee: second option was this one, and then the final option which the one they are proposing to go with is this northerly one here.

225 00:25:39.570 --> 00:25:43.440 Todd Anderson: And, and the initial option in the middle, would have.

226 00:25:44.760 --> 00:25:56.490 Todd Anderson: facilitated removal of a lot more trees, a lot bigger trees than what is proposed in this northerly crossing up against the property line.

227 00:25:57.510 --> 00:26:06.150 Todd Anderson: This one if i'm not mistaken, rich did a category or categorize all the trees and.

228 00:26:07.590 --> 00:26:19.140 Todd Anderson: There were four trees that would need to be removed, whereas the middle crossing um he did not itemize those, unfortunately, but I think there were about.

229 00:26:20.100 --> 00:26:36.720 Todd Anderson: seven or eight trees in the wetlands that would have had to been removed, so this option here on the North right against the property line is definitely the lesser impact and a higher part of the wetlands.

230 00:26:38.280 --> 00:26:51.270 Todd Anderson: The beginning of the wetlands occurs, a small amount further north on the toilet your property not too far from this crossing, and as you get closer to vernal pool.

231 00:26:51.660 --> 00:27:13.170 Todd Anderson: There is more water and it becomes a viable area especially once we add that four inches to the existing words road that vernal pool area will increase exponentially arm just rough numbers that vernal pools potentially will about double in size.

232 00:27:17.190 --> 00:27:18.060 Scott Williams: that's a question.

233 00:27:19.080 --> 00:27:20.100 Kevin Clark: yeah, of course.

234 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:26.880 Scott Williams: So i'm leaning toward you know the one janice was in favor of all the way to the north.

235 00:27:29.370 --> 00:27:37.200 Scott Williams: But, assuming that house is built and what's to prevent the homeowner from baking a loop and using the existing.

236 00:27:38.970 --> 00:27:41.130 Scott Williams: code to exit os little metal.

237 00:27:42.420 --> 00:27:51.840 Todd Anderson: The stipulation that we are planting 24 bush's in their existing crossing and that that cannot happen.

238 00:27:54.030 --> 00:28:00.150 Scott Williams: OK, so the plan, things will effectively be within that well and close that point of access off.

239 00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:02.940 Scott Williams: Yes, Okay, thank you.

240 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:18.750 Kevin Clark: yeah since we're since we're on that topic the plantings does anybody else have any questions specific to the plantings area I do, but I wanted to see if anybody else has any questions first.

241 00:28:21.750 --> 00:28:31.680 Kevin Clark: No okay so other than potentially acting as a blockade for the homeowner to use as a secondary driveway if you will.

242 00:28:32.280 --> 00:28:49.080 Kevin Clark: do the same thing serve any purpose, I was, I was wondering I didn't even think about blocking access, I was thinking about it today from the standpoint and how necessary are those plantings there obviously we always like hey nowadays, of course, more green, we can plant, the better right.

243 00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:53.070 Kevin Clark: But i'm wondering how necessary that was.

244 00:28:54.870 --> 00:29:06.480 Kevin Clark: For that berm and it is, are you planting plants that are ultimately going to die anyway because they're not going to really live well in the dappled sunlight, you know forest cover I mean is, is it really that necessary.

245 00:29:07.800 --> 00:29:15.810 Todd Anderson: Well, this is what rich came up with, and I am not a biologist her biologists or anything of.

246 00:29:15.870 --> 00:29:35.850 Todd Anderson: That nature, so I honestly don't know um you know if if you would let us get away with just putting in four inches of topsoil on there and putting up a piece of wood along the road they can't cross with the stipulation that they can't use it.

247 00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:52.170 Todd Anderson: That would be awesome saved my client a bunch of money without having their plan, all these plants um I can't I can't answer that question on rich's behalf because, again I I don't know anything about plants.

248 00:29:52.440 --> 00:30:02.640 Scott Williams: Right, I am a bio a biologist and semi budding botanist, but I think it riches mindset and this was that he couldn't mitigate.

249 00:30:05.010 --> 00:30:24.420 Scott Williams: The existing you know alteration to the wells that you're proposing with the access points so you wanted to improve the area where so so by improving the BAT the the berm and plantings will enhance that pool retained wildlife in there, so.

250 00:30:25.560 --> 00:30:35.250 Scott Williams: So, for the record I would imagine that was richest thinking in this that he used instead of mitigation or addition additional wetland he's going to mitigate existed.

251 00:30:35.250 --> 00:30:36.780 Kevin Clark: yeah and I guess.

252 00:30:36.840 --> 00:30:37.380 Jeff Parker: Is it.

253 00:30:38.610 --> 00:30:39.000 Kevin Clark: Good.

254 00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:42.450 Jeff Parker: yeah no I was just this is just I was just gonna ask now.

255 00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:55.350 Jeff Parker: Williams calling it wetlands mitigation because it's more of a wetlands improvement is that a misnomer here I mean are we talking about wetlands improvement as opposed to mitigation or well it's crazy I just.

256 00:30:56.520 --> 00:31:06.120 Jeff Parker: Skype kind of mentioned there for the record, I just want to know is there a difference in the definition here, or because it doesn't to me because it's already wetlands is it's actually mitigation great question.

257 00:31:07.860 --> 00:31:21.690 Scott Williams: I I would assume that racism I don't necessarily distinguish between the two, I think he's just improved habitat because he can't create the same square footage they're going to be altering.

258 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:24.450 Scott Williams: At the north end of that same way.

259 00:31:26.490 --> 00:31:27.660 Kevin Clark: So if.

260 00:31:27.690 --> 00:31:41.280 Kevin Clark: what's on is correct in he probably made his comment, based on comments from rich starsky but they're actually maybe increasing the potential square footage of the vernal pool fairly considerably.

261 00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:42.330 Scott Williams: right but.

262 00:31:43.290 --> 00:31:44.790 Kevin Clark: But then, make up for any.

263 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:46.980 Kevin Clark: Filling.

264 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:48.690 Scott Williams: That they might be doing.

265 00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:55.620 Scott Williams: Nothing right, so I think it's a it may eventually it might be a trade square foot for per square.

266 00:31:56.820 --> 00:31:58.170 Scott Williams: net zero but.

267 00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:02.280 Scott Williams: But I think it's the next best thing yeah.

268 00:32:02.370 --> 00:32:17.430 Kevin Clark: I just wasn't sure I think actually I looked at it, I wasn't sure frankly to be blunt if it was just I appreciate the thought, but I wasn't sure if it was just a waste of time and money cuz I wasn't sure plants that depends that he was proposing we actually do well.

269 00:32:17.760 --> 00:32:18.930 Kevin Clark: In that presentation.

270 00:32:19.320 --> 00:32:20.820 Scott Williams: workplaces closer.

271 00:32:21.150 --> 00:32:27.180 Kevin Clark: I think it was like you know the typical high Bush blueberry winter Barry pepper boy.

272 00:32:27.300 --> 00:32:28.170 Kevin Magee: Oh boy that's it.

273 00:32:28.590 --> 00:32:33.360 Kevin Clark: You know the classroom I mean they're generally not going to grow well.

274 00:32:34.620 --> 00:32:35.220 Kevin Clark: In be.

275 00:32:35.580 --> 00:32:37.800 Scott Williams: able to help secure that Berman, the new soil.

276 00:32:37.800 --> 00:32:39.180 Kevin Clark: as well, that would that's what I was.

277 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.690 Wendy?s iPad: Asking keep it from the bank from slowing it.

278 00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:44.520 Kevin Clark: Correct the roots growing might keep.

279 00:32:45.150 --> 00:32:47.970 Kevin Clark: that's that's where I was going to go with as the kind of the final.

280 00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:56.970 Kevin Clark: Maybe good reason to have those kinds of things, but again if they don't live I don't know how much structure going to provide I was wondering, and actually was talking to.

281 00:32:57.840 --> 00:33:09.540 Kevin Clark: Kevin about it, I was just wondering if if they were better served by maybe planting a bunch of stuff not so much on the burn but maybe close together on either end.

282 00:33:10.320 --> 00:33:19.860 Kevin Clark: Of that crossing, which would then just form a line of vegetation and either side, and that would also prevent the homeowner from using that as.

283 00:33:21.270 --> 00:33:22.560 Kevin Clark: A secondary access.

284 00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:27.030 Todd Anderson: We could do that as well, I would it's okay.

285 00:33:28.230 --> 00:33:36.750 Kevin Clark: If if the Commission feels that it's a good idea to plan along the the berm because it may provide stability, then that's fine too.

286 00:33:38.820 --> 00:33:39.600 Kevin Magee: I recommend.

287 00:33:39.810 --> 00:33:43.890 Kevin Magee: I recommend since our skis the ones biologist he came up with this that we.

288 00:33:45.510 --> 00:33:50.970 Kevin Magee: Go with something that we proposed it's not gonna hurt anything i'm in terms of the project there.

289 00:33:52.050 --> 00:34:02.970 Kevin Magee: Hopefully, in cause an enhancement to it, I would say, as part of the recommendations we have starsky either do a three or five year monitoring of the.

290 00:34:04.110 --> 00:34:10.920 Kevin Magee: Plants there and carbon bond Poles, for making sure the plants do survive that.

291 00:34:12.030 --> 00:34:12.840 Kevin Magee: period of time.

292 00:34:13.170 --> 00:34:15.570 Kevin Clark: All right, that's good i'll write that down to include that.

293 00:34:17.670 --> 00:34:18.120 Wendy?s iPad: Good.

294 00:34:21.510 --> 00:34:32.850 Kevin Magee: But definitely probably in the beginning, since people used to using that definitely find a way if they see their temporary fencing or something through there to make sure that the contractors and stuff don't cut through that once construction starts.

295 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:36.660 Kevin Clark: say that again.

296 00:34:38.700 --> 00:34:42.330 Kevin Magee: may want to put the construction fencing around the mitigation area.

297 00:34:43.470 --> 00:34:46.080 Kevin Magee: Okay over the construction period.

298 00:34:50.910 --> 00:34:51.210 Wendy?s iPad: Okay.

299 00:34:55.110 --> 00:34:58.020 Kevin Clark: anybody else anybody else have any questions in general.

300 00:35:01.470 --> 00:35:04.230 Kevin Clark: um I wouldn't mind keeping that up Kevin.

301 00:35:06.660 --> 00:35:10.860 Kevin Clark: Todd the the pipe that's currently in the existing crossing that coming out.

302 00:35:12.210 --> 00:35:17.940 Todd Anderson: There is no pipe in existing crossing it's laying on the side, as we saw on the sidewalk.

303 00:35:19.620 --> 00:35:27.810 Todd Anderson: There is right now in existing ditch that goes across that crossing, and that is proposed to be filled in.

304 00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:34.530 Todd Anderson: The pipe that's laying across the side there obviously that needs to be removed.

305 00:35:36.030 --> 00:35:41.610 Todd Anderson: That is basically just garbage right now, that is not your training there on site that needs to be removed.

306 00:35:43.980 --> 00:35:56.400 Kevin Clark: Thank you Kevin we mind scrolling up to the the northern northerly crossing on see the slopes okay so just show me again Todd i'm looking following the total lines.

307 00:35:57.930 --> 00:36:00.630 Kevin Clark: 100 down to say like 84.

308 00:36:01.680 --> 00:36:04.380 Kevin Clark: Where Where are you catching the runoff from the driveway.

309 00:36:05.580 --> 00:36:09.990 Todd Anderson: The runoff is going to be sheet fed off the edge of the driveway right.

310 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:24.090 Todd Anderson: And we do not have any infiltration into the ground per se um one thing I talked to janice about which we've done.

311 00:36:25.170 --> 00:36:35.610 Todd Anderson: I don't know if you remember the one that we did up on West lake avenue, where we had the stone stone dams running down there's the driveway that kind of slowed the water down.

312 00:36:36.750 --> 00:36:42.630 Todd Anderson: But I said to her that you know, obviously, if it became a problem, we would do something like that.

313 00:36:44.370 --> 00:36:58.800 Todd Anderson: And again This plan shows this driveway at 12% and in talking with the potential excavator that's going to be working on this site.

314 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:07.080 Todd Anderson: He was up there with his excavator doing the testicles and he tested some of the ledge and he feels that.

315 00:37:07.590 --> 00:37:17.040 Todd Anderson: A lot of it might be profitable just with an excavator without having a blast so if we can actually dig in deeper than what I show on this plan.

316 00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:33.120 Todd Anderson: Then we may end up with about nine or 10% driveway as opposed to a 12% driveway um so that's going to be a construction time change that we encounter whether we can actually.

317 00:37:33.660 --> 00:37:45.660 Todd Anderson: pry out some of that ledge and make that driveway a little bit less in slope, but I didn't want to be constrained to having to do that and the the necessity to have to blast.

318 00:37:46.200 --> 00:38:05.700 Todd Anderson: So that's why we designed to the minimum talent standards with the hopes that, when we construct the driveway we may be able to do better than what we show on this plan arm the edges of the driveway, of course, will have a.

319 00:38:07.110 --> 00:38:20.520 Todd Anderson: porous material for infiltration of water, we are the last thing we want to do is concentrate all this run off right at the wetlands line so that will all happen at the time of construction.

320 00:38:20.970 --> 00:38:30.930 Todd Anderson: And that will be monitored during construction as to how we will address those situations and janice was on board with that aspect as well.

321 00:38:31.710 --> 00:38:39.840 Kevin Clark: because that was the one thing I was concerned about that I know you had mentioned, you were hoping that was going to sheet flow to to one side or the other.

322 00:38:41.130 --> 00:38:52.170 Kevin Clark: But you know you send an up sheet flow to one side of the driveway eventually it's going to concentrate enough form a little you know rivulet and you know make its way down to the whelan's.

323 00:38:53.370 --> 00:38:55.590 Kevin Clark: And I wasn't sure if you were going to try to capture that.

324 00:38:56.670 --> 00:38:57.690 Kevin Clark: Before good.

325 00:38:57.870 --> 00:39:00.900 Todd Anderson: Janet Janet said that she was going to make that.

326 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:22.440 Todd Anderson: A stipulation of her conditions on the building permit that this driveway be monitored and if we any point had any problems with any red lights coming off the driveway any erosions that she may require more.

327 00:39:23.670 --> 00:39:31.110 Todd Anderson: Water controls and or even paving the driveway if it becomes a problem of erosion.

328 00:39:32.070 --> 00:39:43.530 Todd Anderson: That will all be handled in the building permit process at at this point with not knowing how exactly what grade we're going to be putting this driveway.

329 00:39:43.950 --> 00:39:55.080 Todd Anderson: We do not know how we're going to deal with that, but it will be dealt with during the construction phase of the project um what I do propose is.

330 00:39:55.620 --> 00:40:14.280 Todd Anderson: A two or three foot buffer area on either side of the driveway of porous material, where the water should infiltrate into the ground before it becomes a problem, but that will again be a construction monitoring process.

331 00:40:15.540 --> 00:40:23.700 Kevin Magee: The time you're looking at putting up about what a three foot wide by what two foot deep area of crushed on the to the driveway.

332 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.860 Todd Anderson: Whether it be crushed stone or i'm like a really good.

333 00:40:30.030 --> 00:40:33.960 Todd Anderson: banker and gravel we don't know yeah i'm.

334 00:40:36.450 --> 00:40:45.690 Todd Anderson: i'm not exactly sure what we're going to be planning it it all depends on what grade we end up with, and whether we have a problem with storm water and I.

335 00:40:47.820 --> 00:40:57.480 Kevin Clark: Think thinking for for answering that time and actually you answered it very well and actually it helps me segue into a point I had about genesis letter so i'm going to.

336 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:07.620 Kevin Clark: shift the topic for a second time so bear with me is that and I said this to a couple people before, but I wanted to say it during public record.

337 00:41:08.850 --> 00:41:14.640 Kevin Clark: Look, you know, Lord knows I love to have the feedback from the engineering department, we never used to get it.

338 00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:21.030 Kevin Clark: So it's great to hear the engineering departments opinion, whether you know good bad or indifferent.

339 00:41:21.630 --> 00:41:30.180 Kevin Clark: But in genesis letter she doesn't specifically mentioned anything that's germane to our purview and I couldn't understand.

340 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:41.640 Kevin Clark: I really don't understand the point of her letter and actually I think in the top of the point that Todd just brought up about the steep slope and the storm a storm water is going to be handled would have been a perfect thing.

341 00:41:42.300 --> 00:42:00.810 Kevin Clark: For her to address in her letter that is absolutely germane to our cause and to not address it with us to to only maybe deal with it later on and planning and zoning I don't I don't know I just I didn't think the letter served a purpose.

342 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:08.700 Kevin Clark: or anything she really addresses was the 12% grade on the driveway.

343 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:18.570 Kevin Clark: But that has to do with town requirements it doesn't have anything to do with us, I mean we know we're going to deal with the grade and the runoff from the grade.

344 00:42:21.510 --> 00:42:22.140 Kevin Clark: anyway.

345 00:42:22.650 --> 00:42:24.000 Kevin Clark: Part of our regular job.

346 00:42:26.370 --> 00:42:40.710 Kevin Clark: Regardless so I don't I don't need a letter from janice to deal with that um so I just I wanted to bring that up I just I guess what my point is, is that in the future if we got a letter from the engineering department.

347 00:42:41.070 --> 00:42:45.690 Kevin Clark: I want, like the specific connection to our Commission.

348 00:42:47.190 --> 00:42:48.480 Kevin Clark: And that's all.

349 00:42:49.080 --> 00:42:49.650 Kevin Magee: I think there might.

350 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.700 Wendy?s iPad: have been mission issues Wendy i'm not sure.

351 00:42:55.500 --> 00:43:02.280 Wendy?s iPad: That, I think it's a real i'm fine hair we split there because she can't.

352 00:43:03.450 --> 00:43:19.620 Wendy?s iPad: janice can't opine on our wetlands stuff I understand what you're saying, if she just made a comment about storm water running um, but I think it's hard because we're all trying to stay in our own lane.

353 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:27.630 Wendy?s iPad: And I know, no, I mean Kevin mcgee Maybe you can help us with that one where fans were and where do we start.

354 00:43:27.990 --> 00:43:40.470 Kevin Magee: I think the purpose her letter physically thing that she's okay with that location for the driveway of all the three options there and then the one that should be promoting as part of her building committee approval, I mean if she.

355 00:43:43.380 --> 00:43:54.990 Kevin Magee: didn't like this one, to say I would rather stay with the middle, one of the existing one for the Commission to follow up with by her saying this one kind of gets a the approval for by her that she's.

356 00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:01.230 Kevin Magee: Okay, with the construction this driveway at this location, if a building permit come through so it's.

357 00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:09.630 Kevin Magee: helping us out in a way, by us not approving the wrong set of plans.

358 00:44:10.680 --> 00:44:20.850 Kevin Magee: Making sure we're both on the same wavelength in terms of which entrances be the better one to to utilize and her engineering or professional training is that this.

359 00:44:21.240 --> 00:44:22.710 Jeff Parker: Further one is the.

360 00:44:23.820 --> 00:44:25.350 Kevin Magee: The better driveway location.

361 00:44:26.490 --> 00:44:28.170 Kevin Magee: For the construction of the driveway.

362 00:44:29.490 --> 00:44:35.520 Kevin Magee: Even though it has to go through a lot, and she the engineering employees, this is the better location their.

363 00:44:37.110 --> 00:44:45.090 Todd Anderson: chance and and Kevin like you said, usually you don't hear from the tone engineer on these applications.

364 00:44:45.450 --> 00:44:56.070 Todd Anderson: But on this one, because it's so sensitive, I made a point to meet with her and go over it with her to see whether she had any problems or concerns or comments.

365 00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:12.360 Todd Anderson: Because usually she does not see these things until after the wetlands meeting and then she has on her stipulations and comments, so I went that third step to meet with her prior.

366 00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:21.900 Todd Anderson: To our wetlands walk because I wanted to make sure that her concerns if she had any word addressed prior to your concerns.

367 00:45:24.600 --> 00:45:31.320 Kevin Clark: No, and I appreciate, I appreciate you doing that and and getting her two cents on it, I really do and i'm not trying to this i'm not trying to.

368 00:45:33.180 --> 00:45:41.730 Kevin Clark: This is not really a complaint i'm not trying to dissuade people like yourselves Todd from going and getting the input from the engineering department.

369 00:45:42.060 --> 00:45:52.800 Kevin Clark: i'm not trying to dissuade the engineering department from giving advice, because I absolutely love it I just thought in this in this particular sense i'll just give you an example, I wrote down kind of what I was thinking.

370 00:45:53.850 --> 00:45:54.210 Kevin Clark: To me.

371 00:45:55.260 --> 00:46:00.300 Kevin Clark: With a recommendation, the assumption of how wishes word of the assumption.

372 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:11.340 Kevin Clark: of how that benefits weapons protection there wasn't so clear if she had said something to me like not only does moving the crossing to the north, help with the slope requirement but also coincidentally.

373 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:27.510 Kevin Clark: Is the least impactful this horrible place to cross the whale and then I would get it, but there's there's no recommendation like that, so I wanted something that some kind of comment specifically tied, you know her endorsement of that crossing, to the benefit of the wetlands.

374 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:43.770 Todd Anderson: Well, also in are also in her Defense I met with her midday Friday and told her that I was meeting with you guys to the afternoon, and it was a holiday weekend she wanted to get going so she wrote something up quick for me.

375 00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:49.380 Todd Anderson: Okay, in her, she didn't have a lot of time to do it, and she did it for me.

376 00:46:49.710 --> 00:46:50.250 Kevin Clark: Fair enough.

377 00:46:51.120 --> 00:46:52.320 Kevin Clark: very, very nice of her.

378 00:46:52.830 --> 00:46:55.860 Kevin Clark: And you know what I am I won't beat a dead horse mei mei mei mei point.

379 00:46:55.860 --> 00:46:56.370 we'll move on.

380 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:08.160 Jeff Parker: Okay Kevin I would say my my primary concern here is the wash out in the driveway as well yeah.

381 00:47:08.310 --> 00:47:17.640 Jeff Parker: I just and I don't I don't know that and I don't know that it's I don't know that the plan reflects necessarily what it needs to it seems to me the way.

382 00:47:18.120 --> 00:47:26.190 Jeff Parker: Tom I mean just the way you're presenting it there's some things that can change the construction that notably change how stormwater may be conveyed to the wetland.

383 00:47:26.940 --> 00:47:41.640 Jeff Parker: And that's giving you talked about reducing the grade from 12% 9% can can you just explain what that would do does that change the nature of the sheet flow off the driveway the way i'm looking at the grading right now, you got the uplands coming down there's a slight cut the top there.

384 00:47:42.870 --> 00:47:53.160 Jeff Parker: And then you're in a field coming down the rest of the slope So if you drop that from 12 to 9% what happens there are you want cut both sides and now we're we're channeling flow down the hill.

385 00:47:54.330 --> 00:47:56.100 Todd Anderson: Know basic basic we're down the.

386 00:47:56.100 --> 00:47:57.060 Jeff Parker: driveway excuse me.

387 00:47:57.570 --> 00:48:02.010 Jeff Parker: I mean, does it go from a fail on the downslope to a cut if you drop that from 12 to 9%.

388 00:48:02.550 --> 00:48:04.530 Todd Anderson: Know we'd still be an affiliate.

389 00:48:04.620 --> 00:48:17.970 Todd Anderson: situation on the down slope, it would, on what we plan to do if we can is further up just to the right of kevin's cursor there where we have.

390 00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:29.160 Todd Anderson: About a one yep right about in there Kevin where we have about a one to two foot cut we are hoping that we might be able to get maybe a three or four foot cut.

391 00:48:29.550 --> 00:48:44.340 Todd Anderson: The film will still still probably be about the same, but what that does is going from a 12% to a 9% we won't have that concentration of water coming down a steep slope at a very rapid.

392 00:48:45.720 --> 00:48:49.050 Todd Anderson: speed and with the potential.

393 00:48:49.080 --> 00:48:50.970 Jeff Parker: of making any erosion.

394 00:48:51.330 --> 00:49:02.820 Todd Anderson: So it slows the water down by having a shallower slope and gives the water a chance to get into the ground before it comes to the wetlands another reason why the.

395 00:49:03.630 --> 00:49:15.630 Todd Anderson: Retaining walls come up so high, is because we are directing that water to the inside of the retaining walls between the driveway and retaining walls.

396 00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:25.380 Todd Anderson: And that's why I have that three foot gap between the edge of the driveway and the retaining walls, because right now that water is going to come down.

397 00:49:25.740 --> 00:49:38.790 Todd Anderson: and sit in that three foot gap between the driveway and retaining walls and be infiltrated into that porous material between the driveway and retaining walls, rather than spilling out.

398 00:49:39.210 --> 00:49:47.490 Todd Anderson: To the outside of the retaining walls and causing any problems or erosion, to the wetlands That was all part of our design of this driveway.

399 00:49:50.730 --> 00:50:02.070 Jeff Parker: So you have the water going down the driveway around the around the curve of the driveway and then going off the side of the driveway where you get into the normal crown section and infiltrating behind.

400 00:50:03.570 --> 00:50:10.050 Jeff Parker: Behind the stone slope, so you just as though you said yes to the water is going to curve down the driveway.

401 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:13.770 Todd Anderson: That is the intent yes.

402 00:50:17.820 --> 00:50:26.220 Todd Anderson: Some of it obviously will spill off the sides, and that will be held in that are three foot.

403 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:34.320 Todd Anderson: Previous area on the sides of the driveway but the bulk of the water will be going down the driveway.

404 00:50:34.890 --> 00:50:36.780 Todd Anderson: To the retaining wall areas and.

405 00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:41.340 Todd Anderson: be held by the retaining walls to permeate into the ground.

406 00:50:46.200 --> 00:50:48.870 Jeff Parker: yeah I don't think that's the best solution, in my opinion, but.

407 00:50:51.630 --> 00:50:52.860 Kevin Clark: i'll see how the water stays on the.

408 00:50:52.860 --> 00:50:57.060 Jeff Parker: driveway it doesn't it doesn't it's gonna.

409 00:50:58.200 --> 00:50:59.730 Jeff Parker: they're not gonna agree to it perfectly.

410 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:00.870 waterfall.

411 00:51:03.390 --> 00:51:05.670 Kevin Clark: See folks collecting to one side or the other.

412 00:51:06.570 --> 00:51:12.390 Jeff Parker: yeah I mean you're better off banking it's actually down slope a little bit towards the you know the vegetated.

413 00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:22.800 Jeff Parker: Right, so it it's It comes down the upslope across the driveway and then into the vegetation and goes down the slope the furthest distance from the while, and instead of conveying it down the driveway.

414 00:51:23.850 --> 00:51:28.470 Jeff Parker: To the point of the wetland where it comes out of the highest you know volume.

415 00:51:29.520 --> 00:51:31.110 Jeff Parker: Well, I just said, like I.

416 00:51:31.140 --> 00:51:40.230 Todd Anderson: just said someone's that water will go off the sizes driveway and do exactly what you just said, and anything that gets concentrated.

417 00:51:40.260 --> 00:51:43.410 Todd Anderson: In the driveway will be captured by those retaining walls.

418 00:51:47.100 --> 00:51:52.650 Jeff Parker: Well, you have a i'm going to disagree with you, you have a film slope at the bottom there right i'm not that's a phil slope.

419 00:51:53.310 --> 00:51:59.700 Jeff Parker: about where you see where it goes from 12% to 10% yes right, so the.

420 00:51:59.790 --> 00:52:09.720 Jeff Parker: The water on the up side is going to fall along the toe of that slope, which actually directs it beyond the stone towards the property line.

421 00:52:11.670 --> 00:52:24.240 Jeff Parker: Correct and then on the downslope the same thing, the water is going to flow off the embankment of your driveway and along the toe of that embankment and that also goes into the wetland beyond the band the stone.

422 00:52:25.590 --> 00:52:37.230 Todd Anderson: And once those are slow to stabilize the vegetation that will help that water to slow down get infiltrated and, of course.

423 00:52:37.770 --> 00:52:38.820 Todd Anderson: As a matter of.

424 00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:43.920 Todd Anderson: Practice the soap fences remain until everything stabilized.

425 00:52:45.600 --> 00:53:02.940 Todd Anderson: And again, like I said, with my discussion with janice was if we need to we will do those stone dams like we did up on Lake drive on a very steep driveway which was before you guys about eight nine years ago.

426 00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:10.590 Todd Anderson: We had driveway up there that led into a wetland crossing similar this one, and we had.

427 00:53:12.390 --> 00:53:13.830 Todd Anderson: A two foot.

428 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:24.330 Todd Anderson: We actually super elevated the driveway to one side and then had stone dams every I think 40 or 50 feet, or something.

429 00:53:25.470 --> 00:53:40.980 Todd Anderson: to stabilize the water and slow it down before it got to the wetland so in my discussion with her was if we need to do that, we would do that, and that would be a condition of the building permit that she would.

430 00:53:42.090 --> 00:53:45.690 Todd Anderson: issue when it came time for the driveway permit.

431 00:53:49.860 --> 00:53:53.430 Kevin Clark: which would then have to come back to us as for a modification right.

432 00:53:54.510 --> 00:53:56.340 Todd Anderson: She did not seem to think it would.

433 00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.330 Kevin Magee: See that's you're in the review area here so.

434 00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:03.510 Kevin Magee: yeah you're proposing its proper size party application.

435 00:54:06.750 --> 00:54:11.160 Jeff Parker: yeah and I don't think you can just arbitrarily add is you know I mean you talk about adding.

436 00:54:13.620 --> 00:54:19.620 Jeff Parker: What the stone along the side there that would be a stone trench that would help capture store.

437 00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:20.430 Jeff Parker: The roster.

438 00:54:21.930 --> 00:54:22.710 Jeff Parker: But it's about.

439 00:54:22.740 --> 00:54:26.520 Todd Anderson: two feet wide and every 40 or 50 feet.

440 00:54:26.550 --> 00:54:28.500 Todd Anderson: There is a.

441 00:54:28.620 --> 00:54:29.280 Todd Anderson: trap rock.

442 00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:52.800 Todd Anderson: damn that is about six inches tall that slows down filters, the water and he's still to that happen get caught by that stone and then it goes along it's not a permanent damning of water, it is a construction erosion control aspect of inside your driveway.

443 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:13.890 Kevin Magee: Now, is there a possibility, some sort of detention can be installed detection infiltration installed on this side of the ones, just before the.

444 00:55:15.630 --> 00:55:17.340 Kevin Magee: Crossing are not really crossing but.

445 00:55:17.850 --> 00:55:29.520 Todd Anderson: I thought I talked to janice about that she did not see the necessity of it, and also in that area right there we have legend about one foot.

446 00:55:30.240 --> 00:55:33.120 Todd Anderson: So trying to dig anything into the ground and.

447 00:55:33.120 --> 00:55:35.160 Todd Anderson: Create anything is impossible.

448 00:55:36.240 --> 00:55:42.840 Todd Anderson: We could create something, but it would also involve removing a lot of.

449 00:55:43.050 --> 00:55:44.280 Jeff Parker: A lot more trees.

450 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:45.090 Todd Anderson: To do that.

451 00:55:45.120 --> 00:55:53.610 Todd Anderson: That that section, there is heavily wooded still the forester that and I lead the property was not down in that area take.

452 00:55:53.670 --> 00:55:54.420 Kevin Clark: out for us.

453 00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:57.240 Wendy?s iPad: To.

454 00:55:58.710 --> 00:56:00.540 Kevin Magee: know if you're super elevated one.

455 00:56:01.680 --> 00:56:06.900 Todd Anderson: series that that property was beautiful before and that force or annihilating it.

456 00:56:07.200 --> 00:56:11.340 Kevin Clark: yeah well for the previous landowner wasn't sure.

457 00:56:11.370 --> 00:56:16.470 Todd Anderson: yeah yes, the current landowners not happy about what he was left with.

458 00:56:19.290 --> 00:56:20.250 Kevin Clark: No, no, we did a.

459 00:56:20.790 --> 00:56:27.270 Kevin Magee: Cross if he did I super elevated one citing crossing over would you get more sheep float down the hillside.

460 00:56:28.590 --> 00:56:28.980 Todd Anderson: Right.

461 00:56:29.040 --> 00:56:29.820 Kevin Magee: I boy.

462 00:56:35.040 --> 00:56:49.440 Todd Anderson: I actually might push it the other way, rather than down the steep steep slope push it to the north, if you want, and have the water go down the longer way, rather than the shorter way.

463 00:56:51.780 --> 00:56:56.010 Todd Anderson: So if you want to do that as a condition of approval, I have no problems with that.

464 00:56:57.930 --> 00:57:08.430 Kevin Magee: Now, with a sharpie on the sheet flow down the hillside itself without going down the driveway he did that way, but I guess it sounds like no because you still have more the force going driveway versus the hillside.

465 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:11.790 Todd Anderson: i'm sorry what was that.

466 00:57:12.210 --> 00:57:13.230 Kevin Magee: If you if you.

467 00:57:13.260 --> 00:57:15.450 Jeff Parker: super elevated to the north side.

468 00:57:17.100 --> 00:57:19.770 Kevin Magee: And then so cheap foot across the driveway.

469 00:57:20.190 --> 00:57:21.780 Kevin Magee: Would that also go into the woods.

470 00:57:21.780 --> 00:57:25.950 Kevin Magee: Here or not I would the most of the momentum take it down the driveway.

471 00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.940 Todd Anderson: Well, push your curvature off to the left there.

472 00:57:32.520 --> 00:57:33.390 Todd Anderson: left more.

473 00:57:35.370 --> 00:57:35.790 Kevin Magee: down.

474 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:59.520 Todd Anderson: go down go down below the driveway southwest of the driveway right in that area there, that is where the forest already cleared out of trees, so that area in there, which the initial crossing that we were proposing was coming up into the hillside where the forests are already.

475 00:58:00.750 --> 00:58:16.890 Todd Anderson: Or the tree company I shouldn't say already cleared out a whole bunch of trees and there's a large clearing in there, so right now, if we push the water in there it's going to go into an area that has their expose ledge.

476 00:58:18.300 --> 00:58:25.020 Todd Anderson: bunch of tree stumps and the underlying forests grasses and so forth.

477 00:58:26.610 --> 00:58:40.200 Todd Anderson: If you want to push the driveway water to the north side that would have a better chance of going through an untouched vegetation undisturbed area.

478 00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:58.560 Todd Anderson: So if that's something that you guys desire, then we can certainly do that, and that also pushes potentially pushes that water into the upper higher portion of the wetlands, that is.

479 00:58:59.580 --> 00:59:06.150 Todd Anderson: Not um as viable as the main wetlands, to the self.

480 00:59:09.120 --> 00:59:10.710 Todd Anderson: per riches per view.

481 00:59:13.710 --> 00:59:15.570 Kevin Clark: Net and that can be accomplished.

482 00:59:16.950 --> 00:59:18.150 Kevin Clark: Rather easily.

483 00:59:19.590 --> 00:59:20.340 Todd Anderson: yeah it's just.

484 00:59:21.330 --> 00:59:26.220 Kevin Clark: not really no required, no, no real changes to this this planets in front of us no.

485 00:59:26.910 --> 00:59:36.090 Todd Anderson: No, we make that a condition of approval that the driveway be the drainage be pitch to the north that's not a problem at all.

486 00:59:37.230 --> 00:59:37.590 Todd Anderson: Okay.

487 00:59:37.710 --> 00:59:39.030 Jeff Parker: Okay, so.

488 00:59:42.300 --> 00:59:46.830 Jeff Parker: If you pitch the driveway so that the flow stays on the North side you're in a cut.

489 00:59:48.300 --> 00:59:56.010 Jeff Parker: For the upper portion there so it's going to concentrate along the edge of that cut and then that's going to discharge.

490 00:59:56.430 --> 01:00:04.500 Jeff Parker: To the embankment slow, which is going to go along the toe of that embankment slope right into the wetland it's going to be concentrated animal flow, the entire way down.

491 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:16.620 Jeff Parker: If you bank it so that it generally maintains the type of overland flow that's there now if you what Kevin was talking about before where you super elevated so that it's low.

492 01:00:17.730 --> 01:00:29.430 Jeff Parker: On the sell side you're not going to generate concentrated flow generally it's going to flow from the hillside across the driveway not concentrate, because we know where to do it and then it's going to shoot off.

493 01:00:29.970 --> 01:00:33.690 Jeff Parker: And then run down the Hill, similar to what the current dreams pattern is.

494 01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:41.820 Jeff Parker: So I would I don't know, in my opinion, you absolutely do not want to concentrate the flow on the North side along that cut.

495 01:00:42.270 --> 01:00:50.340 Jeff Parker: And then discharge that concentrated flow to the toe of the slope that goes straight into the wetland on the North side of the driveway that would be the worst option.

496 01:00:51.300 --> 01:00:53.250 Jeff Parker: Okay, in my, in my opinion.

497 01:00:55.980 --> 01:00:56.820 Todd Anderson: I get what you're saying.

498 01:00:57.450 --> 01:01:10.920 Kevin Clark: yeah I think well i'm I know i'm thinking about my main concern here, so you know something you know application gets approved and they go to start constructing the site and then maybe due to a change in.

499 01:01:12.120 --> 01:01:22.380 Kevin Clark: What someone wants to do or some unforeseen circumstance on the site, they need to modify how they construct the site right and depending on the scope of that.

500 01:01:22.980 --> 01:01:34.140 Kevin Clark: Then you've got to come back to the whelan's Commission asked for a modification, you know to to the original plan, which you know 99.9% of the time is is approved.

501 01:01:34.680 --> 01:01:43.920 Kevin Clark: In this particular case, what we're talking about here, if you need make a modification the field that's not unforeseen okay you're already.

502 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:53.580 Kevin Clark: you've already kind of addressed it janice is addressed it, there is, there are some foreseeable problems here with dealing with the stormwater runoff and I think.

503 01:01:54.570 --> 01:02:03.660 Kevin Clark: i'd like to deal with them now and not as a modification later so almost kind of build like a worst case scenario, on this plan, and if it turns out.

504 01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:19.740 Kevin Clark: Once you get going you're able to shave three degrees off the slope of the driveway that gets you down to 9% and that helps you alleviate some of your storm water concentration issues and you don't need to do that, you know that worst case scenario, with a detention.

505 01:02:21.120 --> 01:02:30.000 Kevin Clark: Catch all whatever i've been that's great, but we know we've got some slope issues here in regards to throw on our run off and I.

506 01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:39.420 Kevin Clark: I don't know that they're being addressed now where they need to be addressed with us, but was that clear for everybody.

507 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:41.730 Wendy?s iPad: mm hmm yes.

508 01:02:42.690 --> 01:02:43.230 Jeff Parker: yeah I agree.

509 01:02:49.020 --> 01:02:56.850 Kevin Clark: That and that kind of gets again beating a dead horse, I would like to for janice to point that out, but again I know you said Todd was kind of a last minute thing so.

510 01:02:57.180 --> 01:03:05.250 Kevin Clark: She may not have fat or full attention into it so like I need to let that go but that's that's the kind of feedback I would normally like to get.

511 01:03:16.650 --> 01:03:29.520 Kevin Magee: So Jeff would you like to add have added to the motion of the driveway be elevated on the north, where pitches across towards the south i'm as a conditional approval or.

512 01:03:30.930 --> 01:03:32.370 Kevin Magee: Do you guys want to see.

513 01:03:34.650 --> 01:03:35.490 Kevin Magee: updates here.

514 01:03:38.670 --> 01:03:39.630 Kevin Magee: Film a storm water.

515 01:03:40.710 --> 01:03:42.750 Kevin Magee: I think that's all we're down to this plan.

516 01:03:43.770 --> 01:03:44.190 Okay.

517 01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:47.670 Kevin Clark: I think what I would like to see.

518 01:03:49.050 --> 01:03:55.560 Kevin Clark: Is the plan that is going to make it, not only through weapons Commission but through.

519 01:03:57.630 --> 01:04:01.200 Kevin Clark: All the subsequent approvals that needs to make without being modified.

520 01:04:02.670 --> 01:04:13.080 Kevin Clark: Obviously modifications are allowed, I said due to unforeseen circumstances, but so i'd like if they can be addressed by jeff's recommendation.

521 01:04:14.100 --> 01:04:17.460 Kevin Clark: About she floated a South i'm fine with that.

522 01:04:17.910 --> 01:04:26.040 Kevin Clark: That means we don't have to see this again if it can't be then that I think that maybe there needs to be some changes to the to the plan or one of us.

523 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:34.440 Todd Anderson: I feel that we could do the sheet phone itself as a condition and.

524 01:04:36.870 --> 01:04:45.300 Todd Anderson: You know you have before you the limits of construction, I don't see the limits of construction changing even with.

525 01:04:46.230 --> 01:05:07.860 Todd Anderson: janitors comments of having to do that rock down mean if necessary was she flowing the water to the south, that is probably not going to be even in the realm of possibility of having to happen um but you know how construction goes you never know.

526 01:05:08.340 --> 01:05:09.660 Todd Anderson: Exactly so.

527 01:05:09.900 --> 01:05:24.600 Todd Anderson: But the limits of construction, as we show our soap fans on this plan, even with having to do what janice her worst case scenario is, we are not going to be.

528 01:05:25.650 --> 01:05:43.110 Todd Anderson: affecting more area then shown with the soap fencing, so I think is conditions of approval um we can she pulled this off to the self that limit of clearing is the limit if.

529 01:05:44.460 --> 01:05:51.780 Todd Anderson: Barring any unforeseen problems we have to go beyond that, then we have to come back to you.

530 01:05:52.170 --> 01:05:54.150 Todd Anderson: But the chances of that happening.

531 01:05:54.240 --> 01:05:56.130 Todd Anderson: I feel are slim to none.

532 01:05:58.680 --> 01:06:10.710 Kevin Magee: And Kevin the installation, the different additional rows controls that they're talking about here just to talk about talk about here are cover in our traditional condition eight of.

533 01:06:11.970 --> 01:06:27.330 Kevin Magee: The installation of temporary rocio 12 fencer suitable version of measures, as indicated on the map, or, as required by law enforcement officer, so if there's issues with additional rosie the Trolls of stuff flowing out the driveway here.

534 01:06:27.690 --> 01:06:34.350 Kevin Magee: Okay it's covered for Aaron and to work with janice i'm making this corrections in with Todd their and their contractor.

535 01:06:34.710 --> 01:06:37.530 Kevin Clark: You right yeah Okay, no, no good point.

536 01:06:39.750 --> 01:06:45.630 Kevin Clark: Right, so I mean there's we can yeah we can we can address most of this stuff probably in the in the conditions but.

537 01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:54.150 Kevin Clark: Is there before we get to that point, is there any other concerns or questions from the Commission on this.

538 01:06:57.270 --> 01:06:58.860 Kevin Clark: No, no okay.

539 01:07:04.560 --> 01:07:05.820 Kevin Clark: Okay into the motion, then.

540 01:07:08.580 --> 01:07:12.120 Kevin Clark: voted that the guilford in the weapons Commission approved the veil activity.

541 01:07:12.510 --> 01:07:24.990 Kevin Clark: For Alan em in therapy for rucci little metal roadmap 97 lat 33 for regulated activity installation of a dry, which have access to propose single family house with 100 years diction reviews zone, as shown on in the weapon.

542 01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:37.170 Kevin Clark: At the activity plan portion of fruity property little metal road prepared by Amazon engineering data April 1 2021 and last revised June 30 2021 with the following conditions.

543 01:07:38.040 --> 01:07:45.060 Kevin Clark: So we're keeping one this is pretty standard right Kevin you didn't necessarily add anything specifically for for rucci.

544 01:07:45.270 --> 01:07:47.220 Kevin Magee: Practical scattered without actual.

545 01:07:47.370 --> 01:07:54.570 Kevin Clark: Sometimes you add little bits here and there, depending on the application so keep to keep three.

546 01:07:55.950 --> 01:08:10.950 Kevin Clark: Keep for keep 5678 Kevin just talked about that addresses the sedimentation and erosion control going to keep all of that nine stays 10 planting plan.

547 01:08:13.860 --> 01:08:18.420 Kevin Clark: we're and we talked about a bond for that.

548 01:08:21.660 --> 01:08:23.790 Kevin Clark: In the verbiage for the plant bond.

549 01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:30.720 Kevin Clark: We never used much, so I think we actually took it out of the standard template.

550 01:08:33.420 --> 01:08:37.440 Kevin Clark: But we're going to do a planting we're going to do a bond for the plants here.

551 01:08:39.510 --> 01:08:41.880 Kevin Magee: right because that's different than their sedimentation rose him.

552 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:43.410 Kevin Clark: troll right hold on.

553 01:08:43.770 --> 01:08:45.210 Kevin Magee: Instead of planting plan.

554 01:08:46.290 --> 01:08:46.860 Kevin Magee: bond.

555 01:08:49.110 --> 01:08:52.800 Kevin Magee: To cover the cost and monitoring of the.

556 01:08:54.870 --> 01:08:56.010 Kevin Magee: Of the magic.

557 01:08:57.450 --> 01:08:59.640 Kevin Magee: Of the plants know shown on plant.

558 01:09:01.650 --> 01:09:05.220 Kevin Clark: Okay, to change the wording to that and then and then we'll talk about the.

559 01:09:07.140 --> 01:09:09.930 Kevin Clark: Monitoring frequency in the in the discussion.

560 01:09:15.240 --> 01:09:16.950 Kevin Clark: So it's a modified 10 for.

561 01:09:18.120 --> 01:09:21.720 Kevin Clark: Granting bond 11.

562 01:09:25.380 --> 01:09:28.350 Kevin Magee: I am make a note that that tend to bond be held for.

563 01:09:30.330 --> 01:09:32.730 Kevin Magee: A minimum of three years.

564 01:09:34.080 --> 01:09:35.100 Kevin Clark: You should do three or.

565 01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:40.110 Kevin Magee: 585 415 years to make sure it goes.

566 01:09:40.320 --> 01:09:40.740 yeah.

567 01:09:42.420 --> 01:09:42.720 Okay.

568 01:09:43.770 --> 01:09:47.190 Kevin Magee: So, which means they may have to get some cages or whatever if there's any deer issues there.

569 01:09:51.300 --> 01:09:55.800 Kevin Clark: You want to do anything bonding with the erosion control or just leave it as straight.

570 01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:59.700 Kevin Magee: 1111 straight as.

571 01:10:02.730 --> 01:10:05.550 Kevin Magee: I need to get rid of the word of transparent and just.

572 01:10:09.450 --> 01:10:10.590 Kevin Magee: That we hold the bond.

573 01:10:12.990 --> 01:10:15.330 Kevin Magee: for a period of one year or one growing season.

574 01:10:15.990 --> 01:10:23.100 Kevin Magee: Okay, removing the beginning portion that says sentence there and starting with the word period of one year or one growing season.

575 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:24.000 Okay.

576 01:10:26.850 --> 01:10:28.830 Kevin Clark: But we're not gonna we're not going to use a B or C.

577 01:10:29.310 --> 01:10:30.780 Kevin Magee: Now, maybe nc state i'm just.

578 01:10:32.160 --> 01:10:33.030 Kevin Magee: Looking for that there.

579 01:10:33.390 --> 01:10:34.020 Kevin Clark: yep yep.

580 01:10:36.060 --> 01:10:44.400 Kevin Magee: event the property search committee areas transfer, we take a bond, this is basically we're taking a bond, to begin with, or eliminating beginning portion of the sentence.

581 01:10:44.400 --> 01:10:46.320 Kevin Magee: Okay kind of gets a little confusing.

582 01:10:47.820 --> 01:11:03.300 Kevin Clark: So 11 in its entirety stays 12 states 13 stays 14 any changes the payments, he submitted to the weapons Commission for approval 15 and unless that extension is granted construction must begin within one year of approval.

583 01:11:04.950 --> 01:11:09.180 Kevin Clark: The this permit expires from for five years and the date of approval.

584 01:11:10.230 --> 01:11:12.510 Kevin Clark: You just look at one thing quick.

585 01:11:15.330 --> 01:11:16.980 Kevin Clark: about the construction fencing.

586 01:11:19.530 --> 01:11:21.990 Kevin Clark: don't see that in here, so you might have to add that.

587 01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:27.480 Kevin Magee: I think that that's just in their commercial and now.

588 01:11:28.530 --> 01:11:36.960 Kevin Clark: yeah you're right so we'll add that was so in an extra another, so another condition will add is that the construction fencing be installed around the berm.

589 01:11:41.610 --> 01:11:42.750 Kevin Magee: I think it's still around.

590 01:11:44.100 --> 01:11:45.390 Kevin Magee: mitigation here.

591 01:11:45.990 --> 01:11:47.460 Wendy?s iPad: area yeah okay.

592 01:11:48.450 --> 01:11:48.870 Kevin Clark: Thank you.

593 01:11:49.050 --> 01:11:54.090 Todd Anderson: I, I would ask for not around but, at the beginning and end oh.

594 01:11:55.140 --> 01:11:58.080 Todd Anderson: You don't need fencing along the edges of that right.

595 01:11:58.710 --> 01:12:01.230 Kevin Clark: Right Okay, no, thank you Todd you're right.

596 01:12:01.320 --> 01:12:02.970 Kevin Clark: You know and either n correct.

597 01:12:08.730 --> 01:12:14.070 Kevin Clark: This big of activities approved based upon the final there's no feasible or proven alternate and completion of this project.

598 01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:17.370 Kevin Magee: i'm also did you want to add a.

599 01:12:18.930 --> 01:12:20.370 Kevin Magee: One for the.

600 01:12:22.350 --> 01:12:25.080 Kevin Magee: Monitoring period for the mitigation area and he asked.

601 01:12:25.080 --> 01:12:28.410 Kevin Clark: yeah I figured we would talk about that, and in the discussion.

602 01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:31.980 Kevin Magee: What you had it before you get a second to I.

603 01:12:32.550 --> 01:12:37.530 Kevin Clark: want to maybe check it after three years, I mean i'll check it after the first year and then.

604 01:12:38.580 --> 01:12:41.490 Kevin Magee: I think we do monitoring for five years yeah.

605 01:12:41.820 --> 01:12:44.400 Kevin Clark: Oh so so every year for five years.

606 01:12:44.610 --> 01:12:45.630 Kevin Magee: Right monitoring yeah.

607 01:12:47.850 --> 01:12:50.010 Kevin Clark: that's even better than when I was thinking yeah.

608 01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:53.280 Wendy?s iPad: Second.

609 01:12:54.780 --> 01:12:55.410 Kevin Clark: Thank you.

610 01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:01.320 Kevin Magee: And you also add the Cross up there, correct yes.

611 01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:05.010 Jeff Parker: yeah that's monitoring of what specifically.

612 01:13:06.240 --> 01:13:08.370 Kevin Magee: my ears of the.

613 01:13:09.120 --> 01:13:11.520 Kevin Magee: The vegetation and that's installed.

614 01:13:13.110 --> 01:13:14.580 Jeff Parker: Okay, so it's only the plantings.

615 01:13:17.730 --> 01:13:21.750 Jeff Parker: The monitor monitoring of the of the planting or of.

616 01:13:24.480 --> 01:13:28.800 Jeff Parker: The vegetative slopes in the you know, looking at wash out in the driveway that kind of like.

617 01:13:29.790 --> 01:13:30.780 Jeff Parker: This would be just for the.

618 01:13:31.230 --> 01:13:32.160 Kevin Magee: Planting area.

619 01:13:33.120 --> 01:13:33.420 Jeff Parker: Okay.

620 01:13:34.110 --> 01:13:39.660 Kevin Magee: But we do hold the the other bond gets held to that other years stabilized that's right of 11.

621 01:13:40.590 --> 01:13:42.750 Jeff Parker: So if that washes out within.

622 01:13:43.380 --> 01:13:46.170 Kevin Magee: A year period that will hold on to it again until it's.

623 01:13:47.580 --> 01:13:48.540 Kevin Magee: Fully stabilized.

624 01:13:50.940 --> 01:13:51.210 Kevin Clark: So.

625 01:13:51.630 --> 01:13:53.430 Kevin Magee: That we hold that monitored by.

626 01:13:53.580 --> 01:13:54.360 Not by ear.

627 01:14:01.110 --> 01:14:04.470 Kevin Magee: We can make 11 two years or something like that to make sure that takes.

628 01:14:08.910 --> 01:14:09.840 Kevin Clark: I don't have a problem with it.

629 01:14:14.100 --> 01:14:15.570 Kevin Clark: When they you second to you okay.

630 01:14:15.570 --> 01:14:20.430 Wendy?s iPad: yeah I know I second of final proposal motion.

631 01:14:25.080 --> 01:14:26.130 Kevin Clark: Any more discussion.

632 01:14:26.490 --> 01:14:31.170 Kevin Magee: So we we are you adding across slope to the south of the driveway.

633 01:14:35.730 --> 01:14:37.170 Wendy?s iPad: It that that was in there, I guess.

634 01:14:40.440 --> 01:14:41.490 Kevin Magee: The driveway be flow.

635 01:14:43.860 --> 01:14:44.430 Kevin Clark: To the South.

636 01:14:44.940 --> 01:14:48.030 Kevin Magee: Cross sell me the correct term Jeff.

637 01:15:02.160 --> 01:15:07.920 Jeff Parker: Great cross low provided to allow for sheep run out to the south side of the driveway.

638 01:15:21.270 --> 01:15:23.340 Kevin Clark: And i'm assuming Wendy you're fine with that as well.

639 01:15:24.060 --> 01:15:25.170 Wendy?s iPad: We second.

640 01:15:25.260 --> 01:15:25.560 Okay.

641 01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:27.000 Kevin Clark: Okay.

642 01:15:29.580 --> 01:15:31.080 Kevin Clark: Anything else.

643 01:15:37.440 --> 01:15:37.830 Wendy?s iPad: either.

644 01:15:39.870 --> 01:15:40.590 Kevin Clark: yeah go ahead.

645 01:15:40.980 --> 01:15:46.980 evabesmer: Okay what's the driveway made of I saw it, it was something permeable isn't gravel.

646 01:15:49.050 --> 01:16:05.910 Todd Anderson: i'm not 100% certainly what he's going to make it out of but I imagine it's probably going to be something of better material than process stone it's probably going to be some kind of a decorative gravel, but I am not 100% certain what he has planned.

647 01:16:06.810 --> 01:16:11.340 evabesmer: I can you do sheet flow on decorative or other gravel.

648 01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:12.300 Kevin Clark: Good question.

649 01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:24.900 Todd Anderson: yeah any any what you what you do is you do the super elevation on the dirt that's underneath the gravel and then whatever you put as a topper.

650 01:16:25.470 --> 01:16:36.810 Todd Anderson: On that same slope, even if it permeates down to the gravel it hits the dirt below and get super elevated off to the side So yes, you can do it with any material.

651 01:16:37.620 --> 01:16:48.990 evabesmer: Okay, and i'm more cynical question these guys these people, the owner has an old approval for 11 houses on this property when does that expire.

652 01:16:49.770 --> 01:17:04.650 Todd Anderson: know we did a study plan for the old owner, the o'neill's that own this property prior to my client that was done back in the late 90s early 2000s and.

653 01:17:05.220 --> 01:17:30.270 Todd Anderson: We just showed how a proposed road could go up into the property and have zone complying 11 lot we did not do wetland surveys, we did not do soil testing topography any of that it was basically just we had the location of the property and zone complying.

654 01:17:30.750 --> 01:17:31.590 evabesmer: Lives right.

655 01:17:31.740 --> 01:17:32.430 Todd Anderson: You had 11.

656 01:17:33.570 --> 01:17:34.770 evabesmer: Okay, fine Thank you.

657 01:17:35.940 --> 01:17:36.960 evabesmer: that's great Thank you.

658 01:17:43.170 --> 01:17:44.880 Kevin Clark: All right, Wendy.

659 01:17:46.140 --> 01:17:48.390 Wendy?s iPad: Final second oh i'm sorry I.

660 01:17:49.530 --> 01:17:50.070 Kevin Clark: Eva.

661 01:17:50.490 --> 01:17:51.720 Kevin Clark: hi yeah.

662 01:17:53.070 --> 01:17:53.400 Jeff Parker: All right.

663 01:17:54.420 --> 01:17:54.960 Jeff Parker: Scott.

664 01:17:55.440 --> 01:17:57.810 Kevin Clark: Alright alright Clark abstains.

665 01:18:00.630 --> 01:18:01.410 Todd Anderson: Thank you very much.

666 01:18:01.590 --> 01:18:03.810 Todd Anderson: passes, thank you very much.

667 01:18:04.170 --> 01:18:05.580 Kevin Clark: You are very welcome.

668 01:18:06.300 --> 01:18:07.410 Todd Anderson: Have a great night everybody.

669 01:18:07.440 --> 01:18:07.860 Kevin Clark: You too.

670 01:18:09.030 --> 01:18:09.600 Kevin Clark: Thank you.

671 01:18:16.290 --> 01:18:18.030 Kevin Clark: I took longer than I thought all right.

672 01:18:19.770 --> 01:18:30.000 Kevin Clark: Number three Stephen griggs 35 dodge core map at six lot 14 dash regular activity landscaping than 100 foot upland review area.

673 01:18:33.780 --> 01:18:37.110 Kevin Magee: So he said he's got he couldn't make them the call tonight because he had.

674 01:18:37.590 --> 01:18:38.460 Kevin Clark: that's right.

675 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:40.080 Kevin Magee: prior commitment there right.

676 01:18:40.500 --> 01:18:42.900 Kevin Magee: um I have.

677 01:18:44.100 --> 01:18:51.060 Kevin Magee: A purpose gets you all looked at the property quickly before the threatening.

678 01:18:52.500 --> 01:18:54.090 Kevin Magee: thunderstorm came through.

679 01:19:03.570 --> 01:19:05.610 Kevin Magee: There we just dodge the thunder sumptuous say.

680 01:19:06.060 --> 01:19:11.040 Kevin Magee: yeah i'm so his property that's also reviewed by.

681 01:19:12.780 --> 01:19:15.630 Kevin Magee: Davidson and soil scientist their.

682 01:19:20.610 --> 01:19:22.260 Kevin Magee: views and their reviewed it there.

683 01:19:26.370 --> 01:19:29.610 Kevin Magee: Fortunately, black and white, to the photos aren't really coming that well.

684 01:19:34.080 --> 01:19:35.130 Scott Williams: we're we're out.

685 01:19:35.730 --> 01:19:36.060 Wendy?s iPad: yeah.

686 01:19:36.420 --> 01:19:38.220 Kevin Magee: you're all there but kind of see.

687 01:19:38.730 --> 01:19:39.570 Kevin Magee: This girl little.

688 01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:41.880 Kevin Magee: pocket on the side that driveway which he.

689 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:45.600 Kevin Magee: Does a woodlands.

690 01:19:46.770 --> 01:19:51.000 Kevin Magee: area little valley area, I think it was off the side of the driveway there that you saw.

691 01:19:52.200 --> 01:19:55.200 Kevin Magee: was the only area wetlands and.

692 01:19:57.690 --> 01:20:00.510 Kevin Magee: This is his sketch for proposed.

693 01:20:02.970 --> 01:20:03.600 Kevin Magee: work.

694 01:20:05.550 --> 01:20:11.310 Kevin Magee: With the road on the top of the page i'm looking to do some.

695 01:20:12.330 --> 01:20:13.230 Kevin Magee: plantings.

696 01:20:15.870 --> 01:20:19.050 Kevin Magee: On the, I guess, to say the health side of the.

697 01:20:20.310 --> 01:20:21.180 Kevin Magee: driveway there.

698 01:20:26.010 --> 01:20:28.080 Kevin Magee: And these are maggots regretting of the property.

699 01:20:34.050 --> 01:20:36.270 Kevin Clark: I don't have any nap for this.

700 01:20:36.750 --> 01:20:37.740 evabesmer: yeah that was fun.

701 01:20:38.250 --> 01:20:38.640 Wendy?s iPad: It was.

702 01:20:49.800 --> 01:21:02.610 Kevin Clark: Okay voted that the guilford in the wetlands Commission approved activity for 35 dodge corp map at six lot 14 dash 15 for regular activity landscaping with 100 work jurisdiction overview zone, as shown on weapons delineation sketch map.

703 01:21:03.270 --> 01:21:09.150 Kevin Clark: dated May 10 2021 prepared by Matthew Davidson pss aws.

704 01:21:10.320 --> 01:21:19.980 Kevin Clark: And griggs map 35 dodge court Joe for data June 2 2021 with the following conditions, keeping 123 into rap rap.

705 01:21:20.370 --> 01:21:23.640 Kevin Magee: Well, they do the building permit application so I don't think we need about one.

706 01:21:23.700 --> 01:21:26.190 Kevin Clark: Now, oh yeah you're right.

707 01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:26.850 Wendy?s iPad: Right.

708 01:21:27.390 --> 01:21:31.740 Kevin Clark: So one is out yeah I don't think we need for.

709 01:21:33.210 --> 01:21:35.640 Kevin Magee: Now here nice driveway there.

710 01:21:37.470 --> 01:21:44.940 Kevin Clark: I think we're going to keep five keep 6789 do we need a planting plan yeah.

711 01:21:45.570 --> 01:21:47.340 Kevin Magee: It kind of shows it on this sketch.

712 01:21:47.400 --> 01:21:48.570 Kevin Clark: yeah I don't.

713 01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:57.600 Kevin Clark: I don't think we need that here so we'll scratch that he's pretty much invested into the plants.

714 01:22:00.270 --> 01:22:01.560 Kevin Clark: Growing i'm.

715 01:22:03.090 --> 01:22:04.200 Kevin Clark: Just 11.

716 01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:06.180 Kevin Clark: know it being see.

717 01:22:06.420 --> 01:22:11.910 Kevin Magee: Do we do we need upon for this project, do you think there's gonna be no disturbance or.

718 01:22:13.500 --> 01:22:13.980 I don't.

719 01:22:15.540 --> 01:22:16.770 Kevin Magee: Just take 11 out, then.

720 01:22:17.220 --> 01:22:18.750 Kevin Clark: we'll just take 11 hours sure.

721 01:22:21.870 --> 01:22:28.260 Kevin Clark: I didn't think the main part of 11 you concluded a bother that came with a but we take off 11 now that's fine.

722 01:22:28.620 --> 01:22:35.610 Kevin Magee: Oh you're right yeah yeah yeah yeah well just to give her the Ad and say yeah and keep in.

723 01:22:39.060 --> 01:22:47.790 Kevin Clark: Keep 12 1314 eight changes the approved plan must be submitted in the weapons Commission 15 going to less than extension is granted construction much bigger than one year.

724 01:22:48.180 --> 01:22:55.560 Kevin Clark: Permit expires fine years in the date of approval, this very activities approved based upon the find that there's no feasible or proven alternatively completion of this project.

725 01:22:56.580 --> 01:22:57.960 Wendy?s iPad: Second, this is when the.

726 01:23:01.200 --> 01:23:01.680 Kevin Clark: UK.

727 01:23:03.780 --> 01:23:04.920 Kevin Clark: All those in favor.

728 01:23:05.550 --> 01:23:07.470 Jeff Parker: No, no.

729 01:23:08.850 --> 01:23:09.390 Kevin Clark: Wendy.

730 01:23:11.070 --> 01:23:12.900 Jeff Parker: I Eva.

731 01:23:13.350 --> 01:23:13.920 I.

732 01:23:15.360 --> 01:23:15.750 Kevin Clark: yeah.

733 01:23:17.280 --> 01:23:20.220 Jeff Parker: i'm staying because I didn't see it hey Scott.

734 01:23:22.050 --> 01:23:24.090 Kevin Clark: Clark is I.

735 01:23:26.670 --> 01:23:28.620 Kevin Clark: All set good luck, Mr griggs.

736 01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:52.500 Kevin Clark: All right, D minor modifications, this is a last second edition, I know if you guys saw the emails this is for Helen Meyer 149 West lane map for a lot 28 modification move driveway enters to Northwood and 100 foot upland review area name sounds familiar.

737 01:23:53.520 --> 01:23:55.410 Kevin Magee: yeah we looked at this one.

738 01:23:57.690 --> 01:23:58.170 Kevin Magee: buddy.

739 01:23:59.220 --> 01:24:03.330 Kevin Magee: Last December, so they came into the subdivision approval.

740 01:24:05.130 --> 01:24:07.950 Kevin Magee: power that we did extensions that lead to a permit there.

741 01:24:09.780 --> 01:24:11.580 Kevin Magee: So this is me.

742 01:24:14.100 --> 01:24:15.570 Kevin Magee: hop this guy up here.

743 01:24:18.360 --> 01:24:21.510 Kevin Magee: And john Cunningham, is on the call here, so you.

744 01:24:21.510 --> 01:24:22.080 Can.

745 01:24:24.510 --> 01:24:26.490 Kevin Magee: provide some insights.

746 01:24:26.610 --> 01:24:42.540 Sydney Cunningham: Okay, good evening john Cunningham for Helen mayor there's no change to the approved application, besides moving the driveway about 10 feet, to the north, which would be further away from the wetlands.

747 01:24:44.040 --> 01:24:45.930 Sydney Cunningham: All the elevations remain the same.

748 01:24:47.430 --> 01:24:55.560 Sydney Cunningham: The plan stays the same the application that was approved stays the same we just sliding the driveway up westlands a little bit towards your House.

749 01:24:56.160 --> 01:24:56.580 Okay.

750 01:24:57.900 --> 01:25:00.480 Kevin Clark: And to reiterate it's actually moving farther away.

751 01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:01.440 Sydney Cunningham: Yes, correct.

752 01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:05.700 Kevin Magee: Okay, and you said this saves a larger pre.

753 01:25:06.510 --> 01:25:13.440 Sydney Cunningham: Well, know that the main reason for sliding the drive she thinks where the driveway comes in, on West Lang.

754 01:25:14.940 --> 01:25:19.980 Sydney Cunningham: And this is this is undecided if she sold a lot to an owner.

755 01:25:21.300 --> 01:25:37.710 Sydney Cunningham: He thinks the headlights from the vehicles moving in will be in her house by moving it up towards her driveway to the north, she thinks the headlights will be a lot less than pack of on our House, which I, which I agree with i'm trying to save a large red oak in the corner.

756 01:25:38.850 --> 01:25:47.490 Sydney Cunningham: On the notes that I sent Kevin I said we love to save that treats the only really nice tree in that whole road.

757 01:25:49.290 --> 01:26:00.060 Sydney Cunningham: driveway itself is probably 30 to 32 feet from the property line and the trees about 22 feet from the property line so i'm hoping that.

758 01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:10.650 Sydney Cunningham: by installing the driveway where I where I shut it on the plan, we can say the tree eliminate some of the headlights leave everything else, the way it is.

759 01:26:11.910 --> 01:26:21.390 Sydney Cunningham: The one little thing which we will come glad they come back, for she is not decided if she's selling a lot yet or not, so there is no home that is going to be built on the lot.

760 01:26:23.820 --> 01:26:34.260 Sydney Cunningham: still going to plant around all the wetlands and do all that stuff but the driveway might get up to the top of the area and it's out of the wetland.

761 01:26:35.430 --> 01:26:43.860 Sydney Cunningham: Basically, set back, but we might come back to show how she might want to get down to the lower part or property but that's a decision to be made later on.

762 01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:52.770 Sydney Cunningham: So all really asking for tonight is to move the driveway 10 feet, to the north.

763 01:27:00.270 --> 01:27:00.630 Kevin Clark: Okay.

764 01:27:06.390 --> 01:27:08.430 Kevin Clark: No matter look at or anything Kevin not that we really.

765 01:27:08.550 --> 01:27:10.800 Kevin Magee: Know sorry i'm looking at i'm sorry.

766 01:27:16.380 --> 01:27:18.930 Sydney Cunningham: got it out for Kevin on Tom Stevens point.

767 01:27:19.170 --> 01:27:21.660 Kevin Magee: Governments here i'm sorry I was looking at, I thought I hit the button.

768 01:27:24.330 --> 01:27:24.840 Kevin Magee: well.

769 01:27:25.230 --> 01:27:27.360 Kevin Magee: i'm going to get you the dark dotted lines here.

770 01:27:27.660 --> 01:27:27.900 yep.

771 01:27:32.490 --> 01:27:36.150 Kevin Magee: And then continues its existing curve there.

772 01:27:37.260 --> 01:27:37.920 Kevin Magee: And then.

773 01:27:39.210 --> 01:27:45.210 Kevin Magee: you're saying the future, you might want to push this a little bit further angled on the top side the driveway here, at least.

774 01:27:45.210 --> 01:27:46.380 Kevin Magee: Starting on bad lines here.

775 01:27:46.410 --> 01:28:02.880 Sydney Cunningham: it's all ledge up there, the only thing it's not shown on Tom Stevens plan, there are three red cedar that are on the North side of my drive I like to leave those and they're there, right now, so the driver would wrap around those and come up to the top of the ledge.

776 01:28:06.900 --> 01:28:18.660 Sydney Cunningham: But the possible house location and possible driveway location, would not be part of this application i've talked to probably half a dozen people that are interested in a lot so.

777 01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:23.280 Sydney Cunningham: The same is on lot one which has been sold.

778 01:28:25.080 --> 01:28:37.980 Sydney Cunningham: They will be coming back into the Commission with house location, if they want to make a driveway modification Helen wants to get this driveway approved and then put it in the.

779 01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:46.860 Sydney Cunningham: sale, if she did sell the property, to put it in with a bill of sale in the driveway could not be moved.

780 01:28:57.180 --> 01:28:57.870 Sydney Cunningham: Any questions.

781 01:29:01.260 --> 01:29:01.740 Kevin Clark: For me.

782 01:29:05.490 --> 01:29:06.390 Kevin Clark: Pretty straightforward.

783 01:29:10.890 --> 01:29:12.390 Kevin Clark: you're moving far away so.

784 01:29:13.380 --> 01:29:13.740 Sydney Cunningham: I.

785 01:29:13.980 --> 01:29:15.660 Kevin Clark: that's what I thought yeah.

786 01:29:17.400 --> 01:29:18.540 Kevin Clark: Not gonna argue with that.

787 01:29:19.740 --> 01:29:21.270 Kevin Clark: All right, so.

788 01:29:23.580 --> 01:29:33.120 Kevin Clark: voted that the guilford in the wetlands Commission approves a modification for regulated activity for 149 westling guilford Connecticut matt five lot 28.

789 01:29:33.810 --> 01:29:44.640 Kevin Clark: zonar five move driveway entrance to North 100 foot jurisdiction review area with the following conditions we get to play a game of ad libs here.

790 01:29:45.090 --> 01:29:46.230 Kevin Magee: Look at your screen Kevin.

791 01:29:48.300 --> 01:29:48.930 Kevin Magee: I have it up.

792 01:29:51.330 --> 01:29:51.840 Kevin Magee: or not.

793 01:29:52.470 --> 01:29:59.400 Kevin Magee: menu okay so uh a word document or me go back into screen share.

794 01:29:59.670 --> 01:30:03.600 Kevin Clark: When we get to play add that Dean had lives here we get to fill in the blanks.

795 01:30:04.950 --> 01:30:06.690 Kevin Magee: I gotta I think I have it up there now.

796 01:30:06.930 --> 01:30:10.530 Kevin Clark: Right previous conditions of the blank approval to remain in effect.

797 01:30:10.530 --> 01:30:11.760 Kevin Clark: Who wants to take the first shot.

798 01:30:13.230 --> 01:30:16.260 Kevin Clark: Of the regretful approvals remain in effect.

799 01:30:16.950 --> 01:30:22.530 Kevin Magee: It should be our previous conditions of the September 11 12th 13th approval remain in effect.

800 01:30:23.700 --> 01:30:31.860 Kevin Magee: Permit expires September 11 2023 that's the last period that disarm existing permitted is good for.

801 01:30:32.100 --> 01:30:37.710 Kevin Clark: All previous conditions of the September 11 2013 approval to remain in effect.

802 01:30:39.060 --> 01:30:49.800 Kevin Clark: Yes, permit will expire on September 11 2023 this modification to the daily activity is approved, based upon the funding that there was no reasonable or proven alternative and completion of this project.

803 01:30:51.060 --> 01:30:52.500 Wendy?s iPad: Second, this is Wendy.

804 01:30:53.670 --> 01:30:54.480 A discussion.

805 01:30:56.280 --> 01:30:58.470 Kevin Clark: Eva i'm sorry Wendy.

806 01:30:59.190 --> 01:31:00.720 Kevin Clark: hi Eva.

807 01:31:01.290 --> 01:31:02.460 evabesmer: Yes, hi.

808 01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:04.080 Kevin Clark: yeah.

809 01:31:05.400 --> 01:31:06.780 Jeff Parker: hi Williams.

810 01:31:08.190 --> 01:31:08.970 Kevin Clark: Clark cuz I.

811 01:31:11.370 --> 01:31:11.730 Wendy?s iPad: Okay.

812 01:31:12.060 --> 01:31:13.350 Kevin Clark: Thanks thank, thank you very much.

813 01:31:13.890 --> 01:31:16.260 Sydney Cunningham: Thank you have a good night, you too.

814 01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:30.120 Kevin Clark: All right, let's see boo boo boo boo applications to be received for July 24 walk D.

815 01:31:33.990 --> 01:31:35.730 Kevin Clark: get to go to Jerry rice's house.

816 01:31:39.060 --> 01:31:40.530 Kevin Clark: Oh it's Jeffrey rice sorry.

817 01:31:44.580 --> 01:31:47.940 Erin Mannix: And I just wanted to speak to that one if I could this is Aaron.

818 01:31:49.080 --> 01:31:56.310 Erin Mannix: This particular application from Jeff rice, I actually thought he would be here this evening, this was.

819 01:31:57.690 --> 01:32:11.100 Erin Mannix: An application that was made to the health department to relocate an existing septic system and it was noted, I noted in the review that it required a wetlands permit.

820 01:32:12.660 --> 01:32:18.360 Erin Mannix: And the application was not made by Jeffrey was made by his septic installer.

821 01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:24.630 Erin Mannix: You know the application to the health department, yes, made by his installer.

822 01:32:25.980 --> 01:32:34.080 Erin Mannix: And even though I had noted on the plan that are on the application that it required a wetlands permit.

823 01:32:35.460 --> 01:32:39.930 Erin Mannix: It was inadvertently installed and inspected by the health department.

824 01:32:41.040 --> 01:32:42.750 Erin Mannix: which then triggered.

825 01:32:45.030 --> 01:32:59.880 Erin Mannix: An after the fact, permit application for the homeowner so I did just want to explain that to you that the work is already completed it was completed, because it was a relocation of this, the existing septic system.

826 01:33:01.110 --> 01:33:12.060 Erin Mannix: To allow for a pool and patio outside of the jurisdictional area, but the pool had to be separated, so I did I told.

827 01:33:13.140 --> 01:33:19.650 Erin Mannix: Jeffrey that I would at least mention it to you if this point if you were going to.

828 01:33:20.820 --> 01:33:30.390 Erin Mannix: want to charge the after the fact fee to the homeowner because of that, there was some level of error in the health department.

829 01:33:31.530 --> 01:33:40.380 Erin Mannix: With respect to this application process and then also since work is already completed and seated.

830 01:33:41.490 --> 01:33:46.020 Erin Mannix: Is this something you would entertain as an agent approval or would you like to go through the entire.

831 01:33:47.220 --> 01:33:47.850 Erin Mannix: process.

832 01:33:50.880 --> 01:34:09.150 Wendy?s iPad: hipaa question i'm Aaron when you say the health department aired is it their responsibility, though, to be concerned about a wetland permit or is it the applicants responsibility, I mean, Mr race.

833 01:34:09.690 --> 01:34:13.350 Wendy?s iPad: has another construction at that House before.

834 01:34:14.010 --> 01:34:14.790 Wendy?s iPad: So I.

835 01:34:14.940 --> 01:34:19.950 Wendy?s iPad: don't think he's unfamiliar with guildford's permitting process.

836 01:34:22.080 --> 01:34:38.220 Erin Mannix: The application was made by the septic installer to relocate the septic system, the rest of his activities did not require wetlands permits the process at least the process that has been established.

837 01:34:39.300 --> 01:34:39.750 Erin Mannix: In.

838 01:34:41.130 --> 01:34:47.610 Erin Mannix: Town Hall south is that a septic application is made their circulated to.

839 01:34:48.870 --> 01:35:02.940 Erin Mannix: The town engineer and myself to determine if any flood permits are required, or whether any coastal site plan applications are required or England wetlands permit applications are required.

840 01:35:04.140 --> 01:35:15.780 Erin Mannix: At that time I provide feedback to the health department to let them know that I am unable to sign off on this particular application, because of the need of a permit.

841 01:35:16.290 --> 01:35:29.700 Erin Mannix: Most of the time as a courtesy, I reach out to the applicant, however i'm indicating to the health department that I cannot issue that permit cannot be issued.

842 01:35:32.340 --> 01:35:34.410 Erin Mannix: In this particular situation.

843 01:35:36.060 --> 01:35:40.320 Erin Mannix: i'm not sure I can't speak to the health department and my happened.

844 01:35:41.160 --> 01:35:41.610 Erin Mannix: But it did.

845 01:35:42.060 --> 01:35:44.010 Erin Mannix: So you know the installer went out.

846 01:35:44.250 --> 01:35:49.530 Erin Mannix: called the health department, they rushed out didn't inspections and the permit was never even issue.

847 01:35:51.510 --> 01:35:53.970 Erin Mannix: So in this meeting, the subject permit wasn't even issue.

848 01:35:56.910 --> 01:35:57.300 Erin Mannix: I.

849 01:35:59.400 --> 01:36:01.320 Erin Mannix: don't have the answers, why it happens.

850 01:36:01.350 --> 01:36:02.400 Wendy?s iPad: Right right.

851 01:36:03.450 --> 01:36:12.690 Wendy?s iPad: And it's not I don't think it's appropriate for us to change our practice, which is to assess the fee.

852 01:36:15.240 --> 01:36:27.840 Wendy?s iPad: Because, ultimately, the property owner is responsible for things that happen on their property whether it's work done by a contractor or you know work they do themselves.

853 01:36:29.700 --> 01:36:38.130 Wendy?s iPad: i'm not sure at this point, it would be appropriate to waive that we could offer a payment plan, if Mr raised me to change and you've done after you.

854 01:36:38.490 --> 01:36:40.590 Erin Mannix: Think he's looking for a payment plan, I think he.

855 01:36:40.650 --> 01:36:56.310 Erin Mannix: He was under the impression that is contractor was handling the septic permit you know there were questions as far as where the upland review area was on this property wasn't shown on the survey the wetlands are not on his property there on a J Smith property.

856 01:36:57.660 --> 01:37:06.840 Erin Mannix: When you know in scaling off the property owner, at my request contacted the survey or had the survey updated.

857 01:37:07.620 --> 01:37:25.350 Erin Mannix: That the property owner has worked with me on the you know and has been co operative simply asked that I would pass along the request if you'd like to schedule a walk and go out and see where the septic system has been relocated that's completely within your purview to do that.

858 01:37:27.120 --> 01:37:33.900 Kevin Magee: And just let me know he currently only has paid the regular 50 the actual effect has not been charged to him yeah.

859 01:37:35.190 --> 01:37:35.910 Erin Mannix: that's correct.

860 01:37:37.950 --> 01:37:39.360 Kevin Clark: My my thinking on would.

861 01:37:40.380 --> 01:37:49.650 Kevin Clark: would be so it was originally thinking that if this was just kind of an inadvertent mistake about half of the health department yeah i'd be willing to consider.

862 01:37:51.720 --> 01:37:53.370 Kevin Clark: casting a vote towards waving.

863 01:37:53.430 --> 01:37:54.060 Kevin Clark: The thing.

864 01:37:54.210 --> 01:38:02.010 Kevin Clark: The after the fact fee, but it sounds like the health department never really even gave their approval for this and the contractor went ahead and did it anyway.

865 01:38:02.370 --> 01:38:12.840 Erin Mannix: know the health department inspected it I don't know what you know belt department was out there and inspected the process as if the permit was issued.

866 01:38:14.130 --> 01:38:17.190 Erin Mannix: So there, there were definitely oversight some department.

867 01:38:19.260 --> 01:38:20.460 Erin Mannix: With respect to paper.

868 01:38:25.020 --> 01:38:25.410 Erin Mannix: Eva.

869 01:38:26.220 --> 01:38:29.220 evabesmer: um where is the septic would we like it.

870 01:38:30.540 --> 01:38:33.240 Erin Mannix: It literally moved like 10 feet, I mean.

871 01:38:33.990 --> 01:38:35.310 Erin Mannix: Essentially, what it is.

872 01:38:35.580 --> 01:38:36.060 Erin Mannix: I mean it's.

873 01:38:37.170 --> 01:38:51.600 Erin Mannix: it's in the same general location I don't know if Kevin if you have that plan or not it's as built in the plan that you have is the actual the plan that submitted what the application is the actual as built of the replacement.

874 01:38:52.710 --> 01:38:53.580 Erin Mannix: The surveyor.

875 01:38:55.260 --> 01:38:57.150 Erin Mannix: Anderson went out and surveyed.

876 01:38:58.500 --> 01:39:03.300 evabesmer: So it move 10 feet closer to the wetland or further from the wetland.

877 01:39:04.830 --> 01:39:13.110 Erin Mannix: A portion of it is closer it's lengthwise into the back of the property, I do believe it is.

878 01:39:14.550 --> 01:39:21.300 Erin Mannix: yeah so that's the that's the relocated system, it was roughly a little bit closer to the House.

879 01:39:24.120 --> 01:39:29.190 Erin Mannix: And that one line of leaching fields is what was shifted.

880 01:39:30.690 --> 01:39:30.810 Erin Mannix: But.

881 01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:33.720 Erin Mannix: it's roughly right out the 100 foot.

882 01:39:34.050 --> 01:39:38.340 evabesmer: yeah it's not 30 feet it's not 20 feet it's out there okay.

883 01:39:42.480 --> 01:39:43.380 Kevin Clark: I okay.

884 01:39:45.930 --> 01:39:47.100 Kevin Clark: anybody else have any thoughts.

885 01:39:49.590 --> 01:39:53.760 Kevin Clark: um my so my two cents is okay.

886 01:39:54.300 --> 01:39:56.340 evabesmer: I made the contractor should eat it.

887 01:39:59.190 --> 01:40:02.700 evabesmer: Why doesn't you know authority to charge a contractor.

888 01:40:03.120 --> 01:40:04.320 Erin Mannix: yeah, unfortunately.

889 01:40:04.410 --> 01:40:11.370 Kevin Clark: don't Vincent this Oh, and I would love to blame it on the contractor trust me and make them eat the cost of.

890 01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:21.570 Kevin Clark: The property owners only did that more often, but I don't I can't say that it was completely the contractors fault here sounds like it was some.

891 01:40:22.380 --> 01:40:32.610 Kevin Clark: paperwork oversight on the health department, so I have a hard time passing, that on to the homeowner and in this particular case, I understand your point Wendy very well.

892 01:40:33.690 --> 01:40:41.010 Kevin Clark: Most of the time, I would agree with that, but with kind of that new to town, possibly being a fall a little bit here I don't think it's fair.

893 01:40:41.460 --> 01:40:46.230 Scott Williams: i'm the same this is this was towns fall, I think we should wait.

894 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:48.450 Kevin Clark: yeah.

895 01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:49.740 Wendy?s iPad: yeah yeah.

896 01:40:50.160 --> 01:40:51.120 Wendy?s iPad: yeah now.

897 01:40:51.150 --> 01:40:55.020 Kevin Clark: make sense yeah and I also I asked up no problem with this being an agent approval.

898 01:40:56.550 --> 01:40:57.420 Kevin Clark: it's a 100 feet.

899 01:40:58.080 --> 01:40:59.700 Wendy?s iPad: yeah yeah yeah.

900 01:41:00.480 --> 01:41:03.750 Kevin Clark: We spend more time looking at some of the other bigger ones on the on the walk.

901 01:41:06.810 --> 01:41:09.540 Kevin Clark: So the emotion for the perfect Aaron Kevin.

902 01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:13.020 Kevin Magee: Sure, they need a motion to make that an agent approval.

903 01:41:14.910 --> 01:41:22.830 Kevin Clark: Can I get a motion to make Jeffrey rice of 40 Eastern hills how bear East beer house hill road a.

904 01:41:24.780 --> 01:41:25.890 Kevin Clark: Asian approval, please.

905 01:41:27.690 --> 01:41:27.990 evabesmer: Make.

906 01:41:29.520 --> 01:41:30.060 Thank you.

907 01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:34.380 Scott Williams: Carl Sagan whatever whatever.

908 01:41:38.760 --> 01:41:39.660 Kevin Clark: All in favor.

909 01:41:41.130 --> 01:41:41.610 Wendy?s iPad: Aye.

910 01:41:43.980 --> 01:41:45.450 Kevin Magee: Management of the roll call.

911 01:41:45.660 --> 01:41:46.950 Scott Williams: junior high.

912 01:41:47.340 --> 01:41:48.510 evabesmer: I I.

913 01:41:48.690 --> 01:41:49.080 alright.

914 01:41:51.150 --> 01:41:52.980 Kevin Clark: we're going to make that a rule for everything Kevin.

915 01:41:54.330 --> 01:41:54.870 Kevin Magee: With that.

916 01:41:55.560 --> 01:41:58.320 Kevin Clark: it's unanimous we just we can skip roll call.

917 01:41:58.980 --> 01:42:03.270 Kevin Magee: I believe that, too, I just have to read the procedures, again, I believe it says.

918 01:42:08.370 --> 01:42:10.950 Scott Williams: Well, how do you know it's unanimous without doing the work.

919 01:42:19.980 --> 01:42:21.600 Kevin Clark: everybody's like oh man okay.

920 01:42:23.280 --> 01:42:25.590 Kevin Clark: Protocol um.

921 01:42:28.110 --> 01:42:29.190 Kevin Clark: So then there's three.

922 01:42:29.280 --> 01:42:30.210 Kevin Clark: Then there were three.

923 01:42:30.510 --> 01:42:31.950 Kevin Clark: For the July 24 walk.

924 01:42:33.870 --> 01:42:36.150 Scott Williams: yeah yeah there's we can kick off the staff.

925 01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:40.470 Kevin Magee: have to take care of town stuff okay.

926 01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:44.850 Scott Williams: Well, three threes manageable.

927 01:42:45.000 --> 01:42:46.080 Wendy?s iPad: yeah that's too bad.

928 01:42:46.290 --> 01:42:50.010 Kevin Magee: that's long overdue I don't think it's fair for stuff like our shows.

929 01:42:50.010 --> 01:42:50.520 Kevin Magee: down your.

930 01:42:51.450 --> 01:42:54.120 Kevin Clark: Numbers long long overdue.

931 01:42:57.360 --> 01:42:57.900 Wendy?s iPad: Oh.

932 01:42:59.100 --> 01:42:59.490 Wendy?s iPad: yeah.

933 01:42:59.580 --> 01:43:00.870 Kevin Clark: So motion to.

934 01:43:03.210 --> 01:43:06.660 Kevin Clark: receive the applications and have to walk date for July 24.

935 01:43:09.750 --> 01:43:16.350 Wendy?s iPad: and move, we accept numbers 234 and set the walk date for the 24th of July.

936 01:43:16.770 --> 01:43:17.790 Kevin Clark: awesome Thank you.

937 01:43:21.660 --> 01:43:22.620 Scott Williams: scrabble second oh.

938 01:43:22.740 --> 01:43:25.680 Kevin Clark: Thank you, everybody gonna vote in favor of this.

939 01:43:26.190 --> 01:43:27.150 Wendy?s iPad: Yes, yes.

940 01:43:33.780 --> 01:43:35.670 Kevin Clark: or somebody's going to be that person.

941 01:43:41.580 --> 01:43:42.900 Kevin Clark: Right inspection report.

942 01:43:46.050 --> 01:43:54.750 Kevin Magee: Hurricane Gary can go over them, but we have not received site inspection report for government village West or long beach for Russian.

943 01:43:57.180 --> 01:44:07.620 Erin Mannix: emails yeah I did I know Mike has been doing them for guilford village was I actually walked the site again yesterday We walked it ahead of.

944 01:44:09.900 --> 01:44:11.850 Erin Mannix: Storm Elsa and.

945 01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:19.950 Erin Mannix: recommended some changes, you know made sure, everything was prepared for Friday storm.

946 01:44:21.210 --> 01:44:21.900 Erin Mannix: There were.

947 01:44:23.460 --> 01:44:43.320 Erin Mannix: Some issues because of the storm five inches of water, most of our sites have issues, some are minor this particular one all the crossings didn't great at guilford village West, so all those corrective measures that cherry hill i'd taken really did pay off.

948 01:44:44.430 --> 01:44:52.050 Erin Mannix: With respect to the crossings, there were two areas where the silt fence did over over one over top.

949 01:44:53.610 --> 01:45:08.940 Erin Mannix: And the second area actually undermined the first one was in Phase one after the first processing in between the first and second crossings on the slope actually write a Jason to the old ones road there.

950 01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:16.830 Erin Mannix: And there was the sentiment, you know everything all the erosion controls were installed again Saturday morning.

951 01:45:17.220 --> 01:45:30.660 Erin Mannix: robber Sachs was out there with Mike up after the storm so everything was reinstalled there is some sediment beyond the silt fence in that area, some of it did make it to the wetland.

952 01:45:31.770 --> 01:45:48.840 Erin Mannix: Maybe at the most there's an inch or so of of that sandy film, it did not get very far I have to say in that one that mitigation would be just hand scraping to remove some of that sentiment.

953 01:45:49.170 --> 01:45:49.860 Erin Mannix: So that was.

954 01:45:49.920 --> 01:45:51.180 Erin Mannix: That was fairly minor.

955 01:45:52.770 --> 01:45:59.490 Erin Mannix: The made the more major blow out, I should say it was in phase two.

956 01:46:00.570 --> 01:46:13.950 Erin Mannix: up as you're coming up to the weather blasting now there is a low lying area, which is also a Jason the silt fence was is located about 100 feet from the wetland line, I believe.

957 01:46:15.300 --> 01:46:29.940 Erin Mannix: It was a double row of silt fence the silt fence did fail and quite a large amount of sediment left the site down another woods road and it actually.

958 01:46:31.500 --> 01:46:34.530 Erin Mannix: It hit a low spot, it is in a wetland.

959 01:46:35.610 --> 01:46:43.440 Erin Mannix: However, it's in the actual Valley, where the woods road is so it did not spread to the really.

960 01:46:44.520 --> 01:46:57.690 Erin Mannix: Viable areas of this wetland which was beneficial that one will also have to have and removal of sediment in some it was super wet when I was out there even yesterday again.

961 01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:15.210 Erin Mannix: You know, there are some areas that have six inches of sediment I mean the force that it came down, you could see but it didn't cut it even a brush you can see where all the brush was pushed up and it slowed it down and it didn't it didn't go further than.

962 01:47:17.820 --> 01:47:26.160 Erin Mannix: I guess it's planting corn so anyway, so my kid has been talking with Robert sacks of as far as what needs to happen.

963 01:47:26.910 --> 01:47:35.880 Erin Mannix: In pulling that out by hand no machines can get in there, so he'll have his guys out there, I don't think it's any permanent damage, I think it all can be.

964 01:47:36.750 --> 01:47:48.540 Erin Mannix: shoveled and scraped out of there, and especially this time of year there shouldn't be any long term impacts, there was nothing that hit a watercourse and traveled or anything like that so.

965 01:47:49.620 --> 01:47:57.270 Erin Mannix: That you know, given the circumstances wasn't as terrible as we've seen actually the blow out at.

966 01:47:58.380 --> 01:48:09.390 Erin Mannix: Crossing three was actually worse than what we had you know in previously, that the Commission dealt with wasn't worse than than any of this from the start, so that's That was good.

967 01:48:11.850 --> 01:48:16.230 Kevin Clark: That you said a blue through two rows of still fancy was that standard so fencing or is that.

968 01:48:16.260 --> 01:48:17.550 Erin Mannix: yeah yeah.

969 01:48:18.510 --> 01:48:21.840 Erin Mannix: Really undermine so actually in that area Mike had.

970 01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:32.370 Erin Mannix: recommended that they end up just creating another detention base in a temporary basis that can help hold more volume.

971 01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:36.360 Erin Mannix: Because it's such a it's such a large area.

972 01:48:37.740 --> 01:48:45.030 Erin Mannix: For what you know she'd flown off of that if they need to have an actual base there to help.

973 01:48:46.620 --> 01:48:50.130 Erin Mannix: yeah to help the details, sometimes the water will.

974 01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:51.690 Kevin Clark: make a difference.

975 01:48:51.900 --> 01:48:53.610 Erin Mannix: Yes, and also they're going to the.

976 01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:57.180 Erin Mannix: To the double rows were reinstalled and they're going to be backed.

977 01:48:57.570 --> 01:48:58.410 Erin Mannix: By hay bales.

978 01:48:58.500 --> 01:49:09.600 Erin Mannix: birthday, the other, the other lot the other areas did have hay bales this particular area did not initially of hay bales but will and they're going to dig it out.

979 01:49:10.680 --> 01:49:24.540 Erin Mannix: But a lot of their you know they had stone check dams everywhere, they have firms everywhere, after the storm, you know, wherever sediment was caught up those have already been dug out again in preparation for for any other rain events.

980 01:49:25.530 --> 01:49:33.540 Erin Mannix: So they're there they've been responsive they've had some issues but, all in all, it wasn't that bad i'm.

981 01:49:36.090 --> 01:49:46.680 Erin Mannix: Moving on to long hill estates, I did not see any problems at long hill actually when I went out there, frank was actually out there, I showed up.

982 01:49:48.570 --> 01:50:02.340 Erin Mannix: went down, you know they haven't cleared into tamarack lane yet so that was not nothing to worry about all the development along long hill was contained the wood chip berms worked.

983 01:50:03.360 --> 01:50:12.750 Erin Mannix: The biggest issue was that archie had dug out to septic systems, the day before, so the holes were full of water.

984 01:50:13.650 --> 01:50:22.980 Erin Mannix: So that was the biggest issue there, but nothing all that the wetland mix that you're the wild mix that they were supposed to play and beyond the silt fence.

985 01:50:23.370 --> 01:50:32.220 Erin Mannix: That has come up beautifully and stabilize that area and I didn't so there were there were no breaches of their erosion control us.

986 01:50:32.250 --> 01:50:33.690 Kevin Clark: shockingly great news.

987 01:50:34.140 --> 01:50:40.470 Erin Mannix: So that was good yeah he said his site in branford had rivers running through it, but we dodged a bullet in that.

988 01:50:40.950 --> 01:50:41.640 Erin Mannix: Video for.

989 01:50:43.230 --> 01:50:44.340 Kevin Clark: The requirements there.

990 01:50:44.700 --> 01:50:47.010 Erin Mannix: yeah one other site that's.

991 01:50:47.010 --> 01:51:04.260 Erin Mannix: not on the list that I did go to was Bishop scorcher they had significant soil exposed as part of their grading project behind the Little Red barn and they had some significant wash outs man of their slope.

992 01:51:05.700 --> 01:51:10.830 Erin Mannix: They they're still fence was also breached in a couple locations.

993 01:51:12.300 --> 01:51:16.530 Erin Mannix: It was so wet you can barely walk back there, I mean you are sinking pastor ankles.

994 01:51:17.970 --> 01:51:32.370 Erin Mannix: Like yeah the slopes washed out they they're still waiting to he did Keith did go out and try to repair them a bit they can't get a machine out in there just yet, because it was still so soft.

995 01:51:33.930 --> 01:51:39.180 Erin Mannix: So Mike did talk to Keith today gave him a plan of what he had wanted him to do.

996 01:51:40.230 --> 01:51:41.280 Erin Mannix: For fixing that up.

997 01:51:42.180 --> 01:51:43.530 Erin Mannix: They were hoping to have.

998 01:51:45.690 --> 01:51:55.020 Erin Mannix: Hydro seen a portion of it and sod it last Monday and or this past Monday and they they can't do any of that, then they pushed it off till Friday.

999 01:51:55.440 --> 01:52:04.350 Erin Mannix: And they're not going to be able to do on Friday So hopefully we'll get an actual you know real sunny day where stuff can start to dry out here.

1000 01:52:05.730 --> 01:52:13.230 Kevin Clark: So that regard to ship did did they do things, according to the approval or Keith go off script.

1001 01:52:14.490 --> 01:52:21.690 Erin Mannix: um there have been some modifications made that Mike has talked to Keith about.

1002 01:52:22.710 --> 01:52:25.980 Erin Mannix: Where Keith may have to his slopes are.

1003 01:52:29.250 --> 01:52:48.090 Erin Mannix: not afford one slope on the the wetland side so that's a little more steep and he had some drainage situation from the adjacent property which, when I was in inspecting the blow out of his erosion control, I noticed, he did install.

1004 01:52:49.980 --> 01:52:54.930 Erin Mannix: 12 inch plastic pipe underneath his phil area.

1005 01:52:55.950 --> 01:53:13.200 Erin Mannix: Which is not connect it's on the side on the West side of the property that is not it's not connected to the State drainage pipe it actually you the pipe itself in the field is buried you can't see it.

1006 01:53:14.280 --> 01:53:27.600 Erin Mannix: So I only saw an outlet pipe so Keith is going to need to work with Mike and come back and modify his approval sure you want to keep that like they're.

1007 01:53:30.420 --> 01:53:30.780 Kevin Clark: All right.

1008 01:53:30.840 --> 01:53:35.130 Erin Mannix: i'm not sure what purpose it, you know I can say that.

1009 01:53:36.150 --> 01:53:50.940 Erin Mannix: The adjacent office building to the West, where the the Yale and daycares in there there's no stormwater system on that property and, apparently, it was approved with.

1010 01:53:52.020 --> 01:54:04.590 Erin Mannix: Essentially drain offs in the curbing which drain on to his property into the bishops property, so I think he just he I think he discovered that, as he was clearing.

1011 01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:12.420 Erin Mannix: And that seems to be the intent that he was trying to direct some of their storm water off of his field.

1012 01:54:13.470 --> 01:54:15.720 Kevin Clark: Alright well look forward to hearing that modification.

1013 01:54:16.380 --> 01:54:18.480 Erin Mannix: So, yes okay.

1014 01:54:19.950 --> 01:54:36.540 Erin Mannix: So mill bridge you did get that report, they definitely got flooded but they're looking at they're still doing okay in good shape and 388 three corners road has not started any work yet.

1015 01:54:37.110 --> 01:54:37.530 Okay.

1016 01:54:38.580 --> 01:54:40.320 Wendy?s iPad: When does that when expire.

1017 01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:44.520 Wendy?s iPad: Do not for some time now.

1018 01:54:46.530 --> 01:54:49.680 Kevin Magee: I think you have a couple of years is, let me see if I can find.

1019 01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:51.210 Kevin Clark: Their start.

1020 01:54:51.870 --> 01:54:54.240 Erin Mannix: Although they just changed the laws on.

1021 01:54:55.470 --> 01:54:59.580 Erin Mannix: permits expiring again in light of coven.

1022 01:55:00.750 --> 01:55:12.420 Erin Mannix: So that similar to the modifications that they did back in 2010 or 2011 they've now extended them for some of them up to 19 years.

1023 01:55:12.870 --> 01:55:13.560 So.

1024 01:55:15.870 --> 01:55:16.560 Erin Mannix: it's all or nothing.

1025 01:55:18.210 --> 01:55:20.040 Kevin Clark: Well it's it's funny because he was in such a hurry.

1026 01:55:20.070 --> 01:55:23.910 Wendy?s iPad: Member to get this thing started right yeah no that's why I wondered okay.

1027 01:55:23.940 --> 01:55:29.640 Erin Mannix: Well, I i'm not sure that his intentions are to build that revised plan.

1028 01:55:30.240 --> 01:55:40.740 Kevin Magee: yeah I heard he had a he had a buyer that was interested when he was doing all the changes and stuff there and the buyer understand has.

1029 01:55:41.760 --> 01:55:45.000 Kevin Magee: backed out partially do the length of time it took for.

1030 01:55:46.440 --> 01:55:48.180 Kevin Magee: The applicant to get the process done.

1031 01:55:48.930 --> 01:55:50.550 Oh that's a shame.

1032 01:55:51.900 --> 01:56:03.510 Kevin Magee: I told the guy that I talked with a person is interested that he should have done the application itself when the sign off on the property owner and it probably would have been a smoother process for him.

1033 01:56:04.890 --> 01:56:12.480 Erin Mannix: So I think also our scene Alan in the office and I think he may be looking to go back with his original approval.

1034 01:56:14.010 --> 01:56:14.730 Erin Mannix: After all, that.

1035 01:56:17.670 --> 01:56:18.750 Kevin Clark: And with that was.

1036 01:56:19.560 --> 01:56:27.540 Kevin Magee: That was not elevating was just maintaining the day I think they graduate the lower level and stepping up.

1037 01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:34.290 Kevin Clark: What about you hear anything about bittner.

1038 01:56:35.580 --> 01:56:39.180 Erin Mannix: Oh yeah bittner buddy Thank you vintners the other one they had a blow out.

1039 01:56:41.400 --> 01:56:43.860 Erin Mannix: For my account the trifecta of here have.

1040 01:56:45.420 --> 01:56:58.140 Erin Mannix: A blow out, although nothing it there blow out ended at the trail so nothing went down the slope, although that river or the stream whenever that water course was about 12 feet wide.

1041 01:56:58.950 --> 01:57:09.240 Erin Mannix: roaring water at the base of the slope so that will get pulled back as well, but there was no no impact to the one.

1042 01:57:09.870 --> 01:57:16.560 Kevin Clark: Okay well that's good I find I find that kind of rather comical too, because when that before that application keep it for us, I know.

1043 01:57:17.430 --> 01:57:25.590 Kevin Clark: rick rick was hoping to get around us, you know don't just avoid us completely because it was so minor in their eyes.

1044 01:57:26.070 --> 01:57:33.810 Kevin Clark: And then Kevin and I talked about and we figured well since it was the town agency, if you don't want to do this, it was probably best that they go through the normal routes.

1045 01:57:33.990 --> 01:57:42.420 Kevin Clark: Plus, you had some steep slopes on the site which could make it a little tricky so we made them do an application and Mike MIT let it be pretty known.

1046 01:57:43.830 --> 01:57:51.810 Kevin Clark: Especially I think we asked him a couple questions he actually started to get a little cranky on the site bow we thought we were being overly tough.

1047 01:57:52.470 --> 01:57:56.700 Kevin Clark: yeah and they didn't really feel they need to come to us in the first place, it was a very straightforward job.

1048 01:57:57.180 --> 01:58:11.160 Kevin Clark: And that we were being kind of harsh, because it was such an easy site to develop this despite the steep slopes, and you see how flat, it is here we've got grassy brassiere is going to absorb all the water and now Lo and behold, they have a blow out.

1049 01:58:12.120 --> 01:58:15.240 Kevin Clark: Oh just just just pointing it out that's all.

1050 01:58:15.390 --> 01:58:27.390 Erin Mannix: I do have to say that most properties, even without wetlands had blown out like any construction project with five inches of rain you're gonna anticipate some level of problems.

1051 01:58:27.960 --> 01:58:29.490 Kevin Clark: In a very unlikely spot, though.

1052 01:58:30.690 --> 01:58:35.820 Kevin Clark: is more like North it's more on top on top, not necessarily at the bottom.

1053 01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:40.710 Erin Mannix: Well, they have all their they filled and so it's all loose happens.

1054 01:58:40.770 --> 01:58:48.060 Erin Mannix: yeah it's all it's a field slope similar to bishops and yeah all right, these loose slopes are going to go.

1055 01:58:49.980 --> 01:58:54.660 Kevin Magee: Just answer your question about frequent road the permit expires in 2024.

1056 01:58:55.320 --> 01:58:55.920 Wendy?s iPad: Thank you.

1057 01:58:56.940 --> 01:58:57.420 Kevin Clark: Thank you.

1058 01:58:59.670 --> 01:59:01.080 Kevin Clark: authorized agent approval.

1059 01:59:03.090 --> 01:59:05.010 Kevin Clark: Moving on, nothing to really talk about their.

1060 01:59:05.430 --> 01:59:05.970 repair.

1061 01:59:07.440 --> 01:59:07.830 Kevin Clark: Okay.

1062 01:59:09.840 --> 01:59:14.700 Kevin Clark: correspondence of their business discussion of legislated remote meetings.

1063 01:59:16.860 --> 01:59:18.060 Kevin Magee: So the.

1064 01:59:19.350 --> 01:59:20.610 Kevin Magee: General Assembly.

1065 01:59:21.690 --> 01:59:24.990 Kevin Magee: As part of their process this past couple months.

1066 01:59:26.520 --> 01:59:41.430 Kevin Magee: Prove legislation enabling fully in person meeting fully remote meeting or hybrid meetings from July 1 2021 through April 30 2022.

1067 01:59:42.630 --> 01:59:43.860 Kevin Magee: And there's some sort of.

1068 01:59:45.210 --> 01:59:47.670 Kevin Magee: stipulations stuck in with this year.

1069 01:59:49.470 --> 02:00:05.970 Kevin Magee: That, if you end up going into a full person meeting that a Commissioner, if they feel uncomfortable can also request a hybrid meeting for them to be at home, while the rest of Commission members meet in public and if there's.

1070 02:00:08.220 --> 02:00:09.270 Kevin Magee: majority of the.

1071 02:00:10.710 --> 02:00:20.340 Kevin Magee: People is meeting the pelican attend, but if it's not a majority of the Members it's they can attend the hybrid.

1072 02:00:21.540 --> 02:00:27.240 Kevin Magee: So there's a lot of scenarios, they just put in this legislation and we're still trying to sort it out.

1073 02:00:28.860 --> 02:00:32.400 Kevin Magee: But right now for the commission's part right now is.

1074 02:00:33.720 --> 02:00:40.080 Kevin Magee: sent to you are allowed to the mean you either go full in person or full of remote arm.

1075 02:00:41.640 --> 02:00:45.120 Kevin Magee: To do fully in person there's potential this become a hybrid situation.

1076 02:00:46.140 --> 02:00:46.290 Kevin Magee: To.

1077 02:00:46.500 --> 02:00:50.220 Kevin Magee: The Commission, if you want to remain remote, we do have the.

1078 02:00:51.240 --> 02:00:55.260 Kevin Magee: Legal programmer parameters to continue remote meetings.

1079 02:01:01.140 --> 02:01:10.380 Erin Mannix: One thing to add to that Kevin is that, as part of the the intent of that language is not if someone if someone provoked a.

1080 02:01:12.210 --> 02:01:17.460 Erin Mannix: request in writing to have access to those meetings.

1081 02:01:18.810 --> 02:01:33.390 Erin Mannix: It does not necessarily to have remote access to those meetings, it does not necessarily open up the entire meeting to a hybrid where everyone else can join so that I just wanted to there were questions going back and forth.

1082 02:01:35.310 --> 02:01:52.710 Erin Mannix: A lot of this on the planning listserv and the land use attorneys and and that was one of the statements so accommodations can be made for an individual who specifically request that, but it doesn't necessarily trigger that, then you have to allow everybody else to do that as well.

1083 02:01:52.800 --> 02:01:55.980 Erin Mannix: Okay, you know if that makes sense.

1084 02:01:59.310 --> 02:02:00.300 Kevin Clark: Anybody have any thoughts.

1085 02:02:02.190 --> 02:02:05.910 Wendy?s iPad: I would, I would ask Kevin mcgee has it been.

1086 02:02:07.770 --> 02:02:24.450 Wendy?s iPad: Have you had issues with remote meetings has it been okay i'm just curious because you're the one who's doing, most of the you know screen sharing and things like that um how much trouble that is as opposed to being in person.

1087 02:02:25.080 --> 02:02:28.740 Kevin Magee: I mean it's Okay, it means sometimes it is a distraction.

1088 02:02:30.120 --> 02:02:37.290 Kevin Magee: But, for there are some everything has pros and cons, I mean the pros for this type of thing is.

1089 02:02:38.370 --> 02:02:48.540 Kevin Magee: Everybody has and everybody's looking closely to the same set of plans you can zoom into an area of concern and anybody sees that area of concern being discussed.

1090 02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:49.320 mm hmm.

1091 02:02:50.880 --> 02:03:04.710 Kevin Magee: If you end up in a in person meeting or hybrid meeting we currently right now don't have the facility set up for it to be done right, and then the question comes in, when you get to that level which, with a new learning game for us is.

1092 02:03:05.790 --> 02:03:14.640 Kevin Magee: Do we have to share our screen for the public watching, or do we just have to make sure that there's some sort of camera facing the map, where persons pointing to something.

1093 02:03:15.810 --> 02:03:21.210 Kevin Magee: So, all this is new to us a new to all the commission's in the state and.

1094 02:03:22.650 --> 02:03:29.280 Kevin Magee: we'll be looking to like to they are inside the list serves to see how people are in their different commissions are handling this okay.

1095 02:03:29.640 --> 02:03:33.390 Kevin Magee: bye guys bye I have no issue of kind of maintaining a.

1096 02:03:34.590 --> 02:03:36.270 Kevin Magee: A remote meeting.

1097 02:03:39.780 --> 02:03:43.440 Wendy?s iPad: And Kevin Clark how about you, since you're reading.

1098 02:03:43.920 --> 02:03:45.480 Kevin Clark: Everybody else's opinion first.

1099 02:03:50.910 --> 02:04:04.350 Scott Williams: But I prefer in first that but I can see the need for hybrid, but I find it very distracting and i'm not able to be as involved remotely as I can, in person.

1100 02:04:07.200 --> 02:04:08.250 Scott Williams: Personally I just.

1101 02:04:10.380 --> 02:04:16.050 Scott Williams: got the meeting run smoother that you miss a lot of stuff remotely that you wouldn't catch.

1102 02:04:17.250 --> 02:04:18.300 Scott Williams: When you're a person.

1103 02:04:22.290 --> 02:04:22.770 Kevin Clark: Eva.

1104 02:04:23.850 --> 02:04:26.130 evabesmer: i'm real comfortable in my pajamas.

1105 02:04:26.430 --> 02:04:27.600 evabesmer: it's easier.

1106 02:04:29.070 --> 02:04:37.530 evabesmer: But I think I feel I ought to do it in person, I think, maybe because I started with real meetings that we kind of.

1107 02:04:37.590 --> 02:04:39.690 evabesmer: owe it to the applicants it's a little like.

1108 02:04:39.720 --> 02:04:43.140 evabesmer: jury duty, I did but i'll do whatever.

1109 02:04:46.470 --> 02:04:52.320 Wendy?s iPad: And I agree with you about the part where i'm more comfortable and you know here I am at home.

1110 02:04:52.440 --> 02:04:52.830 Wendy?s iPad: yeah.

1111 02:04:53.610 --> 02:04:54.660 Wendy?s iPad: The other thing that.

1112 02:04:54.660 --> 02:04:57.540 Wendy?s iPad: concerns me is which room, we would be in.

1113 02:04:59.070 --> 02:05:14.100 Wendy?s iPad: And our inability in our old room to do any sort of social distancing because we won't know who the public, and this is the nurse the pain in the ass we won't know who in the public is.

1114 02:05:14.100 --> 02:05:15.120 Scott Williams: unbox it.

1115 02:05:16.230 --> 02:05:26.190 Wendy?s iPad: And right now, the more they talk about the delta veering into more nervous they make me as a clinician about cramming a bunch of people into a room.

1116 02:05:28.830 --> 02:05:30.120 Wendy?s iPad: So that's another thought.

1117 02:05:31.080 --> 02:05:46.980 Erin Mannix: yeah so you're correct where it's sort of an honor system, you know as far as asking people to wear masks we had a planning and zoning Commission meeting last week that had to be in person and we anticipated large crowds.

1118 02:05:48.390 --> 02:05:48.750 Erin Mannix: But.

1119 02:05:50.130 --> 02:06:01.320 Erin Mannix: You know, we do have masks available we had them available for the public, as well as sanitizer and waits for microphones although you don't necessarily use microphones.

1120 02:06:03.210 --> 02:06:11.550 Erin Mannix: you're right that that particular room doesn't have a lot of spacing, although the spacing requirements are no longer really.

1121 02:06:13.260 --> 02:06:14.190 Erin Mannix: So it is.

1122 02:06:15.450 --> 02:06:19.320 Erin Mannix: kind of playing with what the hand that were dealt, unfortunately.

1123 02:06:21.870 --> 02:06:32.460 Erin Mannix: we're aware now for your comfort, you may want to wear a mask if that's and we do have masks available from the health department as well, including in 95 so that's.

1124 02:06:33.360 --> 02:06:33.750 Scott Williams: perfect.

1125 02:06:33.960 --> 02:06:34.560 Erin Mannix: Is there an.

1126 02:06:34.890 --> 02:06:39.450 Scott Williams: option to Michigan meet in person and have the applicants be remote.

1127 02:06:40.770 --> 02:06:42.930 Erin Mannix: We don't have that capability right now.

1128 02:06:43.260 --> 02:06:44.340 Kevin Magee: Now, or I don't think.

1129 02:06:44.970 --> 02:06:46.680 Erin Mannix: I don't think if you met in person, you could.

1130 02:06:46.680 --> 02:06:50.820 Erin Mannix: refuse access to anybody else in the room, either.

1131 02:06:51.990 --> 02:06:58.140 Kevin Magee: That we have if there's a quorum of the public, it sounds like you have are the core of the Commission, you have to have a lot of the public.

1132 02:06:59.610 --> 02:07:00.390 Kevin Magee: Education there.

1133 02:07:01.830 --> 02:07:02.910 Kevin Magee: But we are looking.

1134 02:07:02.910 --> 02:07:03.150 At.

1135 02:07:05.190 --> 02:07:14.010 Kevin Magee: moving over to the room before us, which is a little bit larger room and I could talk room that rooms being set up.

1136 02:07:15.570 --> 02:07:18.810 Kevin Magee: For hybrid and video.

1137 02:07:20.430 --> 02:07:21.330 Kevin Magee: Meetings there.

1138 02:07:22.110 --> 02:07:27.660 Kevin Magee: i'm not sure how how the time period for that project to be completed, but that's coming up.

1139 02:07:29.400 --> 02:07:39.240 Kevin Magee: pretty quickly I think that's pushing that now, with this whole new change the problem right now is that room doesn't come available until 730 right now i'll be trying to work with.

1140 02:07:40.680 --> 02:07:53.790 Kevin Magee: With parks and REC once these programs have done and try to emphasize for next year's for scheduled to see if we get that room available for us at seven o'clock.

1141 02:07:55.530 --> 02:07:57.450 Kevin Magee: So we can run our meetings in that space there.

1142 02:07:57.840 --> 02:08:03.780 Kevin Magee: But I think we can get Max support, I think the task, putting a big investment in that that room for.

1143 02:08:05.160 --> 02:08:07.170 Kevin Magee: Taking me communications and everything else for these.

1144 02:08:07.170 --> 02:08:07.710 Kevin Magee: tiles these.

1145 02:08:07.950 --> 02:08:10.380 Wendy?s iPad: Meetings oh that's a good thing.

1146 02:08:12.750 --> 02:08:26.760 Erin Mannix: I think, also from a staff level with the requirements for a hybrid meeting that and I think we've kind of talked about this ourselves to Kevin and I that you know for for staff to run.

1147 02:08:28.020 --> 02:08:39.930 Erin Mannix: A hybrid meeting and have information available on online and in person and help juggle both crowds and admission for people.

1148 02:08:40.860 --> 02:08:54.240 Erin Mannix: It is it's challenging because that you'd want them to be available, also for technical questions and actually to be engaged in the discussion, and not just as it so we did kind of raise some of those concerns.

1149 02:08:56.100 --> 02:09:09.180 Erin Mannix: as well to the town of the powers that be that you know it would be helpful, should the town wish to move in a hybrid direction to have some level of it support or.

1150 02:09:09.540 --> 02:09:25.140 Erin Mannix: See how that works, you know i've attended hybrid and Kevin has as well, hybrid Board of selectmen meetings and you can't see who's in the room, you can only see you know a few people at the desk you don't necessarily hear them so.

1151 02:09:26.970 --> 02:09:39.360 Erin Mannix: i'm not sure where we are, as far as getting those to be really successful, I think, personally, if you go back to in person, I would, I would prefer just to do in person and not a hybrid.

1152 02:09:40.410 --> 02:09:46.680 Erin Mannix: Because it is, it is challenging to, especially if you're getting involved in a public hearing or something like that you're.

1153 02:09:48.600 --> 02:09:53.010 Erin Mannix: Dealing with speakers from both sides virtual event in person.

1154 02:09:54.060 --> 02:09:55.770 Kevin Clark: yeah I agree, I think it's going to be one of the other.

1155 02:09:55.950 --> 02:09:56.700 Erin Mannix: So it's a lot.

1156 02:09:59.070 --> 02:10:14.070 Kevin Magee: I mean it's still reserved hybrid meeting or the remote meetings for potentially I went to our season of potentially January in February, where they're potentially could be bad road conditions or something like that.

1157 02:10:15.300 --> 02:10:22.740 Kevin Magee: We have, I think it's like 48 hour notice or something like that, if we know whether it's gonna be bad to make a notification change for this type of thing.

1158 02:10:24.210 --> 02:10:32.130 Wendy?s iPad: Kevin are we allowed to open the windows in any of those rooms in the Community Center or do they have H back concerns if we do that.

1159 02:10:32.430 --> 02:10:33.900 Erin Mannix: Some of them don't open.

1160 02:10:34.710 --> 02:10:36.270 Kevin Magee: I think that should open at one point.

1161 02:10:36.270 --> 02:10:39.210 Erin Mannix: Time and who does have one window right on the.

1162 02:10:41.490 --> 02:10:42.630 Kevin Magee: windows.

1163 02:10:43.260 --> 02:10:43.590 Wendy?s iPad: yeah the.

1164 02:10:43.980 --> 02:10:44.580 Wendy?s iPad: room is.

1165 02:10:44.940 --> 02:10:48.930 Wendy?s iPad: A couple windows i'm not sure the windows in a big room open.

1166 02:10:49.320 --> 02:10:50.340 Wendy?s iPad: Because English, the affair.

1167 02:10:51.210 --> 02:10:56.310 Kevin Magee: yeah what the room we're talking about with being an architect, which is a room just before are.

1168 02:10:57.420 --> 02:11:04.500 Kevin Magee: always on the beyond the left hand side there now has windows that i've seen open before oh.

1169 02:11:05.130 --> 02:11:06.240 Erin Mannix: Nice okay.

1170 02:11:07.350 --> 02:11:14.790 Kevin Magee: But there's also an interior indoor in there, too, I mean Maybe you can talk to parks and REC about a a fan to help circulate air or something like that I need to.

1171 02:11:16.530 --> 02:11:18.750 Wendy?s iPad: Apparently scenes or bad they blow germs.

1172 02:11:19.290 --> 02:11:24.750 Kevin Magee: Right Bobby how close behind you towards the guest, you can.

1173 02:11:25.260 --> 02:11:27.450 Wendy?s iPad: yeah I guess that's right.

1174 02:11:32.160 --> 02:11:32.580 Kevin Clark: yeah.

1175 02:11:36.150 --> 02:11:36.690 yeah i'm here.

1176 02:11:38.100 --> 02:11:38.580 Jeff Parker: got.

1177 02:11:41.940 --> 02:11:45.930 Jeff Parker: As much as I like to communion so the remote me and I do like the in person meetings are more.

1178 02:11:47.250 --> 02:11:48.630 Jeff Parker: Effective but.

1179 02:11:54.270 --> 02:11:56.970 Jeff Parker: it's one of the other for sure yeah it's got to be one of the.

1180 02:11:57.690 --> 02:11:58.590 Jeff Parker: Right no hybrid.

1181 02:11:58.650 --> 02:11:59.910 Kevin Clark: yeah I don't think that'll work.

1182 02:12:01.980 --> 02:12:08.880 Jeff Parker: Is there a timing when they might I might have missed the timing for one who would be back in person, if we went if we go that way.

1183 02:12:11.910 --> 02:12:16.770 Kevin Clark: We could have done, we could have done tonight in person Kevin as right yeah we should.

1184 02:12:16.920 --> 02:12:19.680 Kevin Clark: We should continue with the zoom and then we could.

1185 02:12:19.980 --> 02:12:23.700 Kevin Clark: We could discuss as a group, I wanted to handle like moving forward.

1186 02:12:25.050 --> 02:12:25.530 and

1187 02:12:27.840 --> 02:12:35.790 Kevin Clark: get mixed feelings about it it's funny you know I think it's like there's pros and cons to both like and like almost like anything else in life, I know, definitely in the beginning.

1188 02:12:37.020 --> 02:12:39.330 Kevin Clark: We started all this, it was definitely all cons.

1189 02:12:41.130 --> 02:12:45.720 Kevin Clark: It was mentally had a tough time adapting to this format and just paying attention to things and.

1190 02:12:46.800 --> 02:13:02.130 Kevin Clark: But as time went on kind of started getting used to it Kevin got really good with navigation of maps and things like that, and they could have kind of gotten into a pretty good pretty good groove with it, I certainly love the fact that when you click leave meeting.

1191 02:13:03.660 --> 02:13:04.290 Kevin Clark: Your home.

1192 02:13:05.580 --> 02:13:06.120 Kevin Clark: You know if.

1193 02:13:06.540 --> 02:13:07.710 Kevin Clark: you're you know.

1194 02:13:07.980 --> 02:13:09.330 Wendy?s iPad: yeah except for you.

1195 02:13:09.390 --> 02:13:11.820 Kevin Clark: Brian ice cream is like right down the stairs.

1196 02:13:14.460 --> 02:13:27.300 Kevin Clark: That that that's hard that's hard to give up, I, like the fact that none of us are commuting back and forth, to the Community Center you know saving gas and doing a good, you know car part for carbon emissions, I think that's important.

1197 02:13:28.440 --> 02:13:31.440 Kevin Clark: But there's also nothing like a live meeting.

1198 02:13:33.390 --> 02:13:36.990 Kevin Clark: Where everybody's gathered around I think people are more involved.

1199 02:13:38.370 --> 02:13:44.310 Kevin Clark: You can kind of see people's facial expressions, because you get this you read people a little bit more.

1200 02:13:45.120 --> 02:13:46.770 Jeff Parker: um I.

1201 02:13:47.640 --> 02:13:51.630 Kevin Clark: I certainly feel that since we've gone to zoom.

1202 02:13:53.100 --> 02:14:02.220 Kevin Clark: That i'm like doing way more talking than I normally have done, which is not a good thing for anybody.

1203 02:14:03.990 --> 02:14:07.050 Kevin Clark: um I feel like if we went back to you know.

1204 02:14:07.350 --> 02:14:14.700 Kevin Clark: we're alive meetings have been more engagement for more people I mean that's just my perception of I could be wrong.

1205 02:14:16.050 --> 02:14:24.900 Kevin Clark: So I don't know i'm being my thought was initially for meetings like tonight, where it was relatively simple.

1206 02:14:26.130 --> 02:14:35.220 Kevin Clark: make those zoom meetings and then meetings were that were a little more complicated unnecessarily to the level of you know, public hearing.

1207 02:14:35.640 --> 02:14:42.810 Kevin Clark: I mean, I think we had anything I bought a public hearing that would have to be, you know that would have to be live, but more complicated Apps you know.

1208 02:14:43.320 --> 02:14:53.160 Kevin Clark: Maybe have those fees live meetings you can kind of switch back and forth month to month, depending on what what was on the agenda now I don't know but I don't know the semantics involved with.

1209 02:14:53.820 --> 02:15:10.530 Kevin Clark: You know posting posting meetings for engineers and application how confusing, it would be for people, but that was just one thought I kevin's idea about maybe going live until November and it starts to get cold and then we can let me go back to zoom then kind of makes sense.

1210 02:15:12.660 --> 02:15:14.820 Kevin Clark: So I don't know i'm.

1211 02:15:25.080 --> 02:15:30.960 Kevin Clark: know what to do, but it sounds it sounds like the general consensus people want to go back to the live meeting.

1212 02:15:32.520 --> 02:15:33.690 Kevin Clark: that's that's what it sounds like.

1213 02:15:36.450 --> 02:15:52.440 Erin Mannix: just wanted to point out Kevin I think you're one question of perhaps flip flopping back and forth from a virtual to the person that could be problematic for reserving rooms, especially if you're looking to have the larger room.

1214 02:15:52.860 --> 02:15:53.310 Erin Mannix: and

1215 02:15:53.370 --> 02:16:02.430 Erin Mannix: You know, on last minute sometimes though you know the Community Center does get booked so I may not necessarily get that room you want it, if it is more of a lot.

1216 02:16:03.060 --> 02:16:19.050 Kevin Clark: yeah that was just an idea I had this sort of think it through, but those those are yeah that your points good and kevin's point about you know being confusing for maybe Commission members or applicants and engineers, is a good point as well, so sounds like that's not an option um.

1217 02:16:20.340 --> 02:16:24.990 Kevin Clark: Well, I guess, why don't we go back to live for next month.

1218 02:16:28.740 --> 02:16:29.490 Kevin Clark: Eva no.

1219 02:16:30.420 --> 02:16:32.580 evabesmer: No, I feel that.

1220 02:16:34.500 --> 02:16:43.590 evabesmer: it's fair I don't think we can mix meetings, because that pre judges the quality of the applications i'm just lazy you know.

1221 02:16:43.740 --> 02:16:44.580 evabesmer: it's possible.

1222 02:16:44.880 --> 02:16:49.680 Kevin Clark: with you, too, I mean I, personally, I probably want to stay hybrid I want to stay soon.

1223 02:16:50.490 --> 02:16:51.420 Kevin Clark: Yes, long.

1224 02:16:51.810 --> 02:17:02.220 evabesmer: I just don't know that it's right I don't think a mask meeting is better than zoom, by the way, if I can't see their face i'd stay home.

1225 02:17:02.340 --> 02:17:04.770 Kevin Clark: If I could wear a mask and i'm going to zoom it yep.

1226 02:17:05.760 --> 02:17:06.450 Wendy?s iPad: Well, and.

1227 02:17:07.740 --> 02:17:21.210 Wendy?s iPad: just be the smart thing to do, nobody's going to tell you, you have to wear your mask but I frankly as the nurse again i'm gonna wear it because I don't know who's coming through the door.

1228 02:17:21.660 --> 02:17:21.960 Right.

1229 02:17:22.980 --> 02:17:38.760 Wendy?s iPad: I think all of you are fully vaccinated but I don't know that it's not that question of but we don't know who has whom at home, who may be a vulnerable person and.

1230 02:17:39.930 --> 02:17:40.770 Wendy?s iPad: I do not.

1231 02:17:40.800 --> 02:17:49.800 Wendy?s iPad: want to be the person, putting them at risk, so I will wear a mask and if that interferes with meeting ability, then I would say let's stand.

1232 02:17:51.750 --> 02:17:56.970 Kevin Clark: I don't have a problem with you wearing a mask I think that's I think that's an excellent point that you bring up about not knowing.

1233 02:17:58.230 --> 02:17:58.530 Kevin Clark: You know.

1234 02:18:00.420 --> 02:18:03.090 Kevin Clark: Who shows up and who's vaccinated I think it's totally fair.

1235 02:18:03.540 --> 02:18:04.020 Erin Mannix: yeah yeah.

1236 02:18:05.970 --> 02:18:12.720 Kevin Clark: I wouldn't I wouldn't have a problem, any anybody in the room, wearing a mask or any other Commission number or town staff wearing a mask none whatsoever.

1237 02:18:17.250 --> 02:18:28.140 Erin Mannix: And I just chip provide some feedback I did i've heard from some professionals attorneys and you know other engineers surveyors things like that.

1238 02:18:29.160 --> 02:18:37.470 Erin Mannix: And there, there is some level of convenience for hired professionals, where they have ability, you know they're not necessarily traveling.

1239 02:18:38.400 --> 02:18:50.070 Erin Mannix: to various towns, you know because they're not necessarily always in guilford so sometimes they can can do one or two meetings a night or sign off of one to sign on to others we've had that happen.

1240 02:18:50.940 --> 02:18:58.770 Erin Mannix: And you know, I think it depends, this time of year is a little little slower anyways you know, in the middle of the summer and they are busier times but.

1241 02:18:59.910 --> 02:19:01.950 Erin Mannix: I have heard that come up.

1242 02:19:03.270 --> 02:19:14.910 Erin Mannix: For one side, and although we had many people very pleased to be in person at our last planning and zoning Commission meeting, however, our next one's virtual so.

1243 02:19:16.320 --> 02:19:17.220 Erin Mannix: It was a one off.

1244 02:19:23.670 --> 02:19:28.260 Kevin Clark: don't do want to do next month as a zoo and then have discussion again September.

1245 02:19:30.780 --> 02:19:31.170 Scott Williams: sure.

1246 02:19:32.280 --> 02:19:34.110 Wendy?s iPad: That works for me okay.

1247 02:19:35.460 --> 02:19:35.820 Kevin Clark: So.

1248 02:19:36.090 --> 02:19:45.240 Wendy?s iPad: i'll try to do some research so that i'm not just mouthing Anthony foushee Eva you can help me we'll look at data and see what we come up with.

1249 02:19:45.570 --> 02:19:55.500 evabesmer: The last thing I read about mask is that they only work a little when they work at all if the person is really spreading a lot of virus.

1250 02:19:55.560 --> 02:19:57.180 evabesmer: And that there isn't any difference.

1251 02:19:57.240 --> 02:19:57.870 Wendy?s iPad: If right.

1252 02:19:57.960 --> 02:19:59.880 evabesmer: And that depends on the mask.

1253 02:20:00.210 --> 02:20:00.480 Right.

1254 02:20:01.560 --> 02:20:04.830 evabesmer: yeah wiping you don't have to wipe anything anymore ever.

1255 02:20:07.980 --> 02:20:09.420 Wendy?s iPad: exempt the gas pump.

1256 02:20:11.550 --> 02:20:11.940 evabesmer: well.

1257 02:20:12.060 --> 02:20:12.630 Wendy?s iPad: I get.

1258 02:20:12.660 --> 02:20:18.330 Wendy?s iPad: I don't think i'll ever gasoline pump again without gloves or something I think their.

1259 02:20:18.990 --> 02:20:21.570 evabesmer: gasoline is bad for you it's a carcinogen and.

1260 02:20:22.200 --> 02:20:24.120 evabesmer: We deny that but that's a different issue.

1261 02:20:26.250 --> 02:20:28.650 evabesmer: that's why they have those shields on them now right.

1262 02:20:29.010 --> 02:20:29.640 Wendy?s iPad: Yes, ma'am.

1263 02:20:30.870 --> 02:20:32.760 evabesmer: kill supplies and viruses to.

1264 02:20:34.710 --> 02:20:38.040 Kevin Clark: US I think if you injected into your system, it can kill coven.

1265 02:20:38.580 --> 02:20:39.150 Wendy?s iPad: I think.

1266 02:20:39.660 --> 02:20:39.870 you're.

1267 02:20:43.980 --> 02:20:44.700 evabesmer: First.

1268 02:20:46.290 --> 02:20:51.000 Kevin Clark: bitcoin doesn't work, the first time, try gasoline 93 octane better.

1269 02:20:56.790 --> 02:21:01.530 Kevin Clark: Alright, so also July know this is July, so the August meeting will be zoom.

1270 02:21:03.390 --> 02:21:06.600 Kevin Clark: One thing I want to one more thing I want to bring up before.

1271 02:21:08.010 --> 02:21:18.180 Kevin Clark: We do the bills, so I want to talk about genesis letter, again, I hope, no one misconstrue what that was not saying anything negative towards janice hope nobody took it that way.

1272 02:21:20.250 --> 02:21:26.280 Kevin Clark: Wonderful love it throw that she's our content, I just want, I just want things to be specifically tailored.

1273 02:21:27.270 --> 02:21:35.790 Kevin Clark: Well right that's all you're feeling guilty about I don't want to be misconstrued as be the negative about.

1274 02:21:36.150 --> 02:21:37.050 Scott Williams: message received.

1275 02:21:37.590 --> 02:21:39.750 Wendy?s iPad: Oh you're just trying to get information.

1276 02:21:40.410 --> 02:21:41.580 Kevin Clark: yeah exactly yeah.

1277 02:21:42.210 --> 02:21:42.720 Wendy?s iPad: that's all.

1278 02:21:44.550 --> 02:21:46.800 Kevin Clark: Okay motion to approve the bills.

1279 02:21:47.760 --> 02:21:48.600 Wendy?s iPad: So moved.

1280 02:21:49.770 --> 02:21:51.120 evabesmer: Second, either.

1281 02:21:55.980 --> 02:21:56.940 Kevin Clark: All in favor Aye.

1282 02:21:57.480 --> 02:21:57.870 Aye.

1283 02:22:00.270 --> 02:22:03.810 Kevin Clark: motion to approve the June 9 2021 draft meeting minutes.

1284 02:22:04.710 --> 02:22:05.640 Wendy?s iPad: So moved.

1285 02:22:10.860 --> 02:22:11.610 Kevin Clark: All those in favor.

1286 02:22:13.440 --> 02:22:14.610 Kevin Clark: All right, I.

1287 02:22:16.440 --> 02:22:19.110 Kevin Clark: July 7 2021 draft walk minutes.

1288 02:22:23.760 --> 02:22:24.630 Kevin Clark: All those in favor.

1289 02:22:26.640 --> 02:22:27.000 Kevin Clark: Right.

1290 02:22:30.480 --> 02:22:30.930 Wendy?s iPad: Okay.

1291 02:22:31.470 --> 02:22:32.550 Kevin Clark: Workers abstains.

1292 02:22:37.110 --> 02:22:41.010 Kevin Clark: motion to adjourn impressive in hit delete button.

1293 02:22:49.170 --> 02:22:51.300 Kevin Clark: Alright, done, thank you, everybody.

1294 02:22:52.950 --> 02:22:53.340 Kevin Clark: good night.

1295 02:22:54.870 --> 02:22:55.200 Jeff Parker: Good.