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Dewan Rakyat Bil. 19 Rabu 25 September 2013 MALAYSIA PENYATA RASMI PARLIMEN DEWAN RAKYAT PARLIMEN KETIGA BELAS PENGGAL PERTAMA MESYUARAT KEDUA Naskhah belum disemak DEWAN RAKYAT PARLIMEN KETIGA BELAS PENGGAL PERTAMA MESYUARAT KEDUA Bil. 19 Rabu 25 September 2013 K A N D U N G A N JAWAPAN-JAWAPAN LISAN BAGI PERTANYAAN-PERTANYAAN (Halaman 1) RANG UNDANG-UNDANG DIBAWA KE DALAM MESYUARAT (Halaman 37) RANG UNDANG-UNDANG: Rang Undang-undang Perbekalan Tambahan (2013) 2013 (Halaman 40) Jawatankuasa:- Jadual:- Maksud B.1, B.6, B.7 dan B.9 (Halaman 132) USUL: Menangguhkan Mesyuarat Di Bawah P.M. 16(3) (Halaman 133) UCAPAN-UCAPAN PENANGGUHAN: ■ Kematian Tahanan Bernama James Wong Soon Lai – Tuan Chong Chieng Jen (Bandar Kuching) (Halaman 133) ■ Masalah Pengangguran Doktor – Puan Teresa Kok Suh Sim (Seputeh) (Halaman 137) DR.25.9.2013 1 MALAYSIA DEWAN RAKYAT PARLIMEN KETIGA BELAS PENGGAL PERTAMA MESYUARAT KEDUA Rabu, 25 September 2013 Mesyuarat dimulakan pada pukul 10.00 pagi DOA [Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan Mesyuarat ] JAWAPAN-JAWAPAN LISAN BAGI PERTANYAAN-PERTANYAAN Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya berdiri di atas Peraturan Mesyuarat 19 iaitu mengenai mengemukakan... Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Terima kasih Yang Berhormat. Yang Berhormat tolonglah. Duduk dahulu Yang Berhormat. Ini untuk makluman kepada Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat yang baru. Kita telah putuskan dan telah diterima oleh semua Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat iaitu sebelum sesi soal jawab, tidak ada sesiapa yang saya benarkan untuk membangkitkan peraturan mesyuarat. That has been agreed dan kalau Yang Berhormat sudi rujuk kepada House of Common ataupun mana-mana negara yang mengamalkan sistem demokrasi seperti India, juga begitu. Point of order tidak boleh dibangkitkan sebelum sesi soal jawab. Setelah sesi soal jawab baru berdiri bangkitkan point of order. Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Terima kasih Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Saya tidak menimbulkan point of order . Sebenarnya saya menimbulkan, saya menimbulkan... [Dewan riuh] Nanti dahulu. Bukan point of order Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli Yang Berhormat, Ahli Yang Berhormat. Ahli Yang Berhormat yang lain tolong senyap Ahli Yang Berhormat. Ahli Yang Berhormat Padang Serai, saya buat keputusan sudah Yang Berhormat . Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Bukan point of order, petisyen . Di bawah rule 19. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Saya tahu Ahli Yang Berhormat. Apabila Yang Berhormat berdiri mengenai dengan petisyen, terpaksa juga rujuk kepada point of order . Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Ya, 14 (f) . DR.25.9.2013 2 Tuan Yang di-Pertua: 14 (f) saya tahu Yang Berhormat. Akan tetapi sudah dibuat keputusan sebelum ini bahawa sebelum sesi soal jawab jangan ada point of order. Selepas sesi soal jawab baru buat point of order. Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Bukan point of order, ini rayuan di bawah 19. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Yang Berhormat, sama ada rayuan atau tidak, bukan sebelum sesi soal jawab. Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Kalau begitu Tuan Yang di-Pertua... Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Yang Berhormat, kalau Yang Berhormat tidak duduk dan mengganggu juga sesi ini... Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. [Dewan riuh] Menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri [Dato' Seri Shahidan bin Kassim]: [Bangun] Datuk Seri Reezal Merican [Kepala Batas]: Yang Berhormat Padang Serai, duduk Yang Berhormat Padang Serai. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: ...saya arah Yang Berhormat keluar. Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Nanti dahulu Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kalau begitu bila saya hendak timbulkan hal ini? Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli Yang Berhormat, duduk Ahli Yang Berhormat. Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: No, no, no, nanti, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Selepas sesi soal jawab Ahli Yang Berhormat. Duduk Yang Berhormat. Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Keluarga hadir Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Bila, bila saya boleh timbulkan Tuan Yang di-Pertua? Datuk Seri Reezal Merican [Kepala Batas]: Selepas soalan Yang Berhormat Padang Serai. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat-Ahli Yang Berhormat. Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat yang lain. Oleh kerana Yang Berhormat Padang Serai enggan untuk mematuhi arahan saya, maka sekarang ini saya arahkan Yang Berhormat Padang Serai untuk keluar daripada Dewan. [Tepuk] DR.25.9.2013 3 Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ini tidak adil, ini keluarga. Keluarga P. Karuna Nithi hadir. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli Yang Berhormat, Ahli Yang Berhormat duduk Yang Berhormat. Bentara sila jalankan tugas. Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Ini tidak adil, saya membantah keras kepada tindakan Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Tuan Yang di-Pertua boleh lihat keluarga di sana. Keluarga kematian dalam tahanan ada di sana dan ini tindakan yang diambil oleh Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Datuk Seri Reezal Merican [Kepala Batas]: Keluarlah, keluarlah. Jangan lagi ambil kesempatan, keluar. Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: Boleh Tuan Yang di- Pertua jawab kepada mereka. Ini keluarga ada di sini. Tuan Yang di-Pertua tidak beri saya peluang untuk... Datuk Seri Reezal Merican [Kepala Batas]: Hormat Dewan, hormat Dewan. Yang Berhormat Padang Serai hormat Dewan. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli Yang Berhormat, Ahli Yang Berhormat, Ahli Yang Berhormat. Bentara sila. Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: [Bercakap tanpa menggunakan pembesar suara] [Dewan riuh] Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Sila, sila. Keluar Yang Berhormat. Ahli Yang Berhormat sila keluar. Datuk Seri Reezal Merican [Kepala Batas]: Yang Berhormat Padang Serai keluar. Yang Berhormat Padang Serai... Tuan N. Surendran a/l K. Nagarajan [Padang Serai]: [Bercakap tanpa menggunakan pembesar suara] [Dewan riuh] Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli Yang Berhormat yang lain tolong, Ahli Yang Berhormat yang lain. Ahli Yang Berhormat, keluar Yang Berhormat. Keluar Yang Berhormat. [Dewan riuh] Puan P. Kasthuriraani A/P Patto [Batu Kawan]: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, this behaviour is absolutely unacceptable. Not in the House of August , Tuan Yang di-Pertua. If Yang Berhormat Padang Serai has to leave, they have leave too. Datuk Bung Moktar bin Radin [Kinabatangan]: [Bercakap tanpa menggunakan pembesar suara] DR.25.9.2013 4 Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli Yang Berhormat, tolong duduk Ahli Yang Berhormat. Ahli Yang Berhormat tidak ada hal dengan ini. Puan P. Kasthuriraani A/P Patto [Batu Kawan]: This is an absolute disrespect the House of August. See how they behave. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli Yang Berhormat tolong duduk Ahli Yang Berhormat. Datuk Seri Reezal Merican [Kepala Batas]: You are not respecting either. You are not respecting the Dewan either. Puan P. Kasthuriraani A/P Patto [Batu Kawan]: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, if he has to leave, they have to leave too Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli Yang Berhormat, tolong duduk Yang Berhormat. [Dewan riuh] Ahli Yang Berhormat yang di belakang sana tolong duduk. Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, kalaupun duduk jangan bising. [Dewan riuh] Ahli Yang Berhormat, tolong keluar Ahli Yang Berhormat. [Tepuk] Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat yang lain, Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat lain tolong dengar baik-baik. Saya tidak ada mengatakan bahawa Yang Berhormat Padang Serai tidak boleh berhujah membangkitkan apa isu sekalipun sama ada petisyenkah, point of order kah atau sedemikiannya. Saya katakan bahawa selepas sesi soal jawab baru dia boleh bangkit apa sahaja yang hendak dibangkit. Bukankah ini sudah diterima oleh kita semua, sudah berapa tahun? Akan tetapi malangnya Ahli Yang Berhormat yang berkenaan memilih untuk melibatkan Parlimen, membawa keluarga-keluarga orang, bukankah ini suatu- saya tidak tahu maksudnya apa ini? Saya bersedia untuk menjawab Ahli Yang Berhormat yang berkenaan selepas sesi soal jawab tetapi dia memilih untuk berbuat begitu. Apabila kita mengatakan bahawa sistem ini tidak baik, harus bermula daripada kita sendiri untuk memperbaiki diri yang memperbaiki sistem. Kalau kita sendiri mengajak sistem yang tidak baik itu diperbaiki sedangkan kita sendiri, cara untuk kita memperbaiki adalah tidak betul, siapa kita yang sebenar. ■1010 Jadi maknanya Ahli Yang Berhormat seperti begini tidak menghormati Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat yang lebih lama berkhidmat di Parlimen, yang pernah juga bergelut dengan isu seperti begini. Ini bukan soal baru, soal yang pernah dibangkitkan oleh Ahli- ahli Yang Berhormat yang lebih awal, yang lebih senior, bukan soal berkenaan saya. DR.25.9.2013 5 Jadi Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat yang lain, saya harap yang belakang sana sekali terutama sekali backbenchers daripada kerajaan juga. Dalam keadaan seperti begini tolong jangan, kerana suara-suara itu walaupun tidak berdiri saya nampak. Jangan nanti satu hari saya halau juga, jangan bilang Tuan Yang di-Pertua jahat. Yang Berhormat Datuk Juslie bin Haji Ajirol, Libaran. Datuk Juslie bin Haji Ajirol [Libaran]: Terima kasih Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Soalan-soalan tambahan selepas ini singkat, padat. Saya tidak mahu ada bunga-bunga. Sila Yang Berhormat. Datuk Juslie bin Haji Ajirol [Libaran]: Okey Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Jawapan daripada Menteri-Menteri pun padat. Jangan ada bunga-bunga lagi. Datuk Juslie bin Haji Ajirol [Libaran]: [Ketawa] Terima kasih Tuan Yang di- Pertua. Tahniah Tuan Yang di-Pertua kerana mengawal Dewan. Kalau saya pun berbuat demikian, Tuan Yang di-Pertua halau, tiada masalah. [Ketawa] Tuan Yang di-Pertua:
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