Counted out / in

Type in Bethesda and other views

Well I used to be a burglar, An Interest Area Co-ordinator gets to write Rolled too many numbers a column in the Bulletin of Psychological Now I am a smuggler on the Amazon … Type, and to organise a symposium at whichever APTi conference occurs on Well, I’m living under cover their watch. For a voluntary position that So I won’t be discovered seems to be enough to focus on. I quickly Sailing hot cargo on the Amazon … discovered, though, that I was automatically Up in your cities a ‘Leader’, which made me a little uneasy You think my crop is pretty as I didn’t see myself that way. Taking care of business on the Amazon … Even before I got involved in organisation- al theory, and subsequently in type, I was Skip Battin uneasy about the use of the term ‘leader’. It seemed to be applied indiscriminately Don’t follow leaders, and watch your parking meter and with little rationale. The right questions didn’t seem to be asked, and the people I Peter Geyer saw identified as ‘leaders’ I didn’t want to Out and in follow anyway. Through type I learned that my perspective Whatever your type profile, the reality is is consistent with my INTP preferences. that where you’re from, where you might Through experience I learned that I prefer be hiding out, is a significant component. not to put myself forward and am better off It can also be who you know and who knows (in health and other terms) to be hiding APTi Leadership you—and there are multiple dimensions somewhere, doing the best I can from that involved in that. vantage point, with public performance when necessary. Conference and So it was with a mixture of pleasure and consternation that I accepted an invitation It turned out that my appointment, as well subsequent experiences from the Association for Psychological as that of Gill Clack from Britain, is part of Type International—effectively the North an effort by APTi to become genuinely in- American APT, as Canada is a region of ternational in outlook. Ever since I joined, APTi—to become the co-ordinator of their the North American conferences have been Research and Theory interest area, and to described as ‘international’, but they are sit on the review board for APTi’s new essentially American in focus. research publication. Peter Geyer (INTP) researches and To kick-start this process, and for a host of writes on psychological types, and My membership of APTi began in 1990, other reasons which became evident later, coordinates the Theory & Research predating the foundation of what became APTi announced a Leadership Conference interest area for APT International. AusAPT. I’d been to all their conferences, at their new offices in Bethesda, Maryland, During his 16 years of membership except the most recent in Portland, and had just outside Washington DC. I was invited he has been an active participant in presented something fairly regularly since and funds were allocated to enable me to APTi conferences. Peter is also a 1993. So I was known in a particular way get there. Fortuitously, I’d also been con- life member of AusAPT. and made welcome. I still considered my- tacted by Katharine Myers, co-owner of self an outsider though, due to the complex the MBTI, on a related issue, so I arranged www.petergeyer.com.au interrelations APTi has had internationally, [email protected] to meet her at her home in Pennsylvania notably on the training and licensing side. just a few days after this meeting.

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Leaving and Arriving known for the intellect and ability of its ministers, rather than its later failures. Such Travelling to the United States is not as is politics and history, I suppose. He was simple as it seems, particularly if you have quite amazed that I knew of Roper. We had a specific timeframe with some quirks in an interesting discussion about regional and it, and it involves the north-east USA, and international politics, particularly with re- so cross-continent flying. This meant that gard to guest workers, before he went off I travelled United, rather than Qantas as I’d to a vacant area to try to get some sleep. done for several years now. I was happy The plane flew indirectly to Washington to do that, as I’d always enjoyed flying DC, as there were several thunderstorms with United and thought their service and in the way, so a longer flight ensued which attention superior to the Australian carrier, was pleasant enough, particularly as the which I considered diffident at best. plane seemed to be almost drifting and Unfortunately, the flight from Melbourne floating. The ground couldn’t be seen at and Sydney was a little depressing, to say any stage, just dark grey-black cloud cover the least. The cabin crew seemed grey and below, until we finally burst out of the perfunctory, and perhaps were depressed clouds into the Washington night sky and themselves. Certainly, smiles were out of some fairly spectacular lightning strikes. the question and they seemed a little deaf. The plane itself looked fairly worn inside Pooks Hill / Hotel and although there was better legroom from fewer seats, you could see that the The place I was to stay was at Pooks Hill, lights and air above hadn’t been altered to just outside Bethesda, and the locale for fit the new configuration. Like a few other an old children’s story. Getting there was US airlines, United is just about bankrupt via the Washington Beltway, a ring road and job losses and related issues would be of sorts that surrounds the capital and is fairly much on employees’ minds. United the origin of ‘gridlock’, one of many terms is unusual in that the workers have a stake (‘-gate’ is another) appropriated inapprop- in the ownership of the company and that riately by a lazy Australian media, rather can be stressful as well. like the Post-It note style advertising that has recently appeared in some newspapers. So I was glad to leave at Los Angeles and grapple with US Customs and Immigration. Being late in the evening there weren’t too Take me to your leaders They were surprisingly genial, which was many difficulties, other than the turnoff good, as there are extra requirements such that the driver was after was blocked by a as fingerprinting and photo taking and it’s Highway Patrol car. No reason was given really best to be dutiful and forget the long for that, nor was one asked for. I suppose flight and tiredness. I think I helped by that’s not what you do: you just read be- producing written information on why I tween the lines, and, as an outsider, reflect was coming to the USA. But they were on the several levels of law enforcement certainly more approachable than my last in the United States. mainland experience at Toronto airport My arrival at the hotel was less smooth around two years ago. than I had expected, perhaps due to the The cross-continental United flight was complexity of my booking, which had a pleasantly different in almost every way, part paid for and part I was to pay. I didn’t with bright and helpful staff and a newer think that was all that difficult but, to be plane. The plane was also fairly empty fair, I experience that sort of thing fairly which was good as well. Unusually for me, regularly (most recently at the hotel for I struck up a conversation with a Filipino AusAPT’s Brisbane conference), so there man who was working on climate change must be something I’m missing with re- projects in Fiji. Interestingly, he was doing spect to the job description for hotel front that with Tom Roper, a minister in John desks. And this was an expensive hotel— Cain’s government in Victoria in the late I could not have afforded to stay there 1980s—which was initially quite well without assistance and discount.

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The hotel rate and length of stay was sorted instead the hotel is virtually standalone and out later, mainly through the intervention FASEB’s offices are a separate, quite large of Newma Hawkins, the organiser of the building in another location entirely. conference. She had to repeat her earlier FASEB is the new management services instructions to the hotel. provider for APTi, which ended its four I had further cause to wonder about the year association with AMC in Illinois. idea and reality of customer service when One of the reasons for this meeting was to I sought out a stamp to airmail a letter to introduce FASEB to the assembled group. Australia. The hotel shop sold stamps, and There were financial and other difficulties the person there was cheerfully inattentive with the previous providers, apparently, to my request. On attempting to send the as well as organisational issues for APTi. letter, a front-desk person indicated that A lunchtime start was useful for my sleep perhaps the stamp sold wasn’t sufficient, patterns. but offered no information or knowledge About 50 people attended the meeting— as to what might be the right amount. I APTi Board members, Regional Chairs, suggested to him that someone employed Faculty members (the people who teach the by the hotel should know the answer, and APTi MBTI Qualifying Program in the that it was unacceptable that no-one seemed USA), Interest Area Coordinators, the next to know. His reply was ‘yes, sir’, and that Conference Committee, Bulletin members was apparently that. No offer or attempt and FASEB staff just about cover it. was made to find out. I knew about 10 people, some better than It’s at this point that one begins to under- others, with a couple I view as friends. stand Russell Crowe’s hurling of phones, Those who had visited Australia, or were although that’s probably a more complex about to, were Sandra Hirsh, Katherine issue. But I also recognised this method as Hirsh, Ray Moody, Greg Huszczo, Nancy similar at least to something I saw used by Barger, Linda Kirby, Laurie Lippin and Commonwealth Government staff dealing Jean Kummerow. Jean Reid, Margaret with unemployed people, pre-Centrelink. Fields and Danielle Poirier feature in the The idea is to withdraw emotionally from pages of this Review. the person requiring assistance if they get a little agitated. American welcomes are always effusive (as I see it, anyway), and this was no ex- I would have thought that this sort of thing ception. What was interesting was the would be counterproductive on several genuine pleasure expressed by people who levels as it involves emotional punishment, Greg Huszczo, I really didn’t know at the attendance of akin to those mothers who seek to control both me as an Australian and Gill Clack long-time friend their young children’s behaviour by smil- as a Briton. This group seemed genuinely ing and waving and saying, ‘Goodbye! … interested in developing a bridge to other Goodbye!’ In that way they withdraw their parts of the world. The question, a difficult love from their child, unless the child de- one, was where to start, and how to go cides to come along with Mum (I’ve never about it seen a dad do it). I consider this emotional abuse, even ‘cruel and unusual punishment’ The first day was largely introductory: as the Americans are wont to say, but I’m individuals introduced themselves, and aware there are other explanations. Jean Kummerow had something to say about Larry Demarest, a colleague of many at APTi and CAPT, who had died Conference / FASEB recently. Larry’s quirky and humorous funeral celebration speech was read out. The APTi Leadership Conference was at the offices of the Federation of American APTi president Chuck Pratt and Finance Societies for Experimental Biology, just a Director Jane Kise told us the state of play short walk from the hotel. Before arriving, as they saw it. One of the interesting things I’d pictured the environment as being the is that although APTi has a regional struct- hotel surrounded by various buildings, but ure, being a member of a chapter or group

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does not necessarily mean that you are an This was a little difficult for me, as it’s a APTi member. 80% of people in regions long time since I’ve had a leadership role don’t belong to APTi, and 80% of APTi in AusAPT. I made that clear, while at the members don’t belong to a region. It was same time offering my opinion for what it clear that the Board is essentially trying to was worth. re-establish APTi, both financially and It’s a bit hard to set yourself up as an structurally. international association when APTs in Tony Fragnito from FASEB outlined his other countries have their independence. organisation and how it would work with One of the things of interest, however, APTi. I thought this presentation was im- was the utilisation of an e-chapter, an pressive, in that the organisation seemed online group where all sorts of activities able to operate in an organised, flexible might be attractive. I undertook to raise and time-responsive manner. The fact that this with the AusAPT national council. they are an organisation who look after the The Conference Committee was also professional interests of 40 000 scientists interested in making sure that APTi made me think that the Association is in conference dates are compatible with the an appropriate place—at least, from my schedules of people from outside the US research and theory perspective. who may wish to attend or present. One attendee suggested that there was an Rather than another collective dinner, a opportunity for FASEB to learn about number of restaurant choices were pre- type, and by that he meant some sort of sented for the evening. This sort of thing training exercise. I thought that missed is difficult for me—not because of food the point, as it was seeing whether type choices, but because I have to make a could provide a plausible interpretation of choice as to who I’d like to have dinner the research undertaken by the scientists with, and that’s not easy. Ultimately I under FASEB’s umbrella. A couple of days selected a group who were going to a later I picked up Sean Carrol’s Endless local Japanese restaurant, and a genial, if Forms Most Beautiful (2006), about evol- crowded, time was had. utionary development, hox genes and the The next day was a combination of group like, which suggested to me I could be presentations and a presentation on MBTI correct in my presumption. Step III by Allen Hammer. The day also started off various group The group presentations were interesting. meetings (Board, Faculty, etc). I joined The camaraderie and enthusiasm in the Jamie Johnson presents my IAC colleagues, facilitated by Dick groups was very high. It’s at this point in Thompson, a deep-thinking man with a Chuck Pratt’s president’s pin similar experiences that I start to worry dry wit. Of the other IACs, I knew Gill about style over substance, but I had to Clack and Greg Huszczo, a long-time remember this was another country and friend. One INTJ, two INTPs, two INFPs they do things differently there. and two ENFJs made up our group. It was interesting to see how each person viewed Having said that there was a feeling that their subject matter area. highly-expressed geniality and agreement can hide serious disagreement at the un- The aim of the meetings seemed to be conscious level. I was aware of that being essentially to work out what we had to do, a part of the APTi dilemma in the past; it how we were going to do it, and how that happens elsewhere too, of course, as many would contribute to the progress of the people know. Still, you can only do what Association in general. Having met and you can, and there was a lot of positivity started the process, a genial dinner was about what was said and what I’d heard held at FASEB that evening. from various people in the course of the These meetings were to be the focus of conference. the next day. There was a lot of discussion, Jamie Johnson from CAPT was there to and Gill and I were asked to sit in with the present Chuck Pratt with his President’s Board and regional chairs, who asked us pin, a tradition started by Mary McCaulley. about what was happening in our countries.

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The pin is a badge of sorts with a type- Danielle / Washington table design and a birthstone placed at the correct spot for the President’s type code. After the conference ended, Ray Moody Chuck was clearly moved, and it was an and I took a ride into Washington with emotional moment. Danielle Poirier and her parents, whom she’d driven down from Ottawa because Allen Hammer / Step III they had never been to the US capital. The journey to the city centre was fairly Allen Hammer’s presentation on Step III chaotic as INFP Danielle drove with one was fascinating and all too brief. I could eye on the road and another on a map, have listened to several hours of what he cheerfully engaging everyone in English had to say. and French. Both her parents prefer sens- ing, and there seemed to be a bit of family Essentially, Step III is a project run by the banter about Danielle’s approach to reality. Center for Applications of Psychological It was a hairy ride at times, particularly as Type (not the MBTI publisher, CPP) to I was sitting in the front in the place I’d produce an instrument to get at the patterns normally be driving, so I didn’t have much and indications Isabel Myers arrived at in of a grip on reality myself. We got there, her several decades of work on the MBTI. and had a genial lunch before wandering It is particularly to do with impediments down to the White House. to type development. The development of Step III was the last thing Mary McCaulley Police blocked one road, and access to the negotiated before her death in 2003. White House area was limited. When we got there we had to view it from across the Allen spoke about lots of interesting things. road in the company of protesters, who Apparently Isabel Myers wrote to Jung’s had apparently been resident for 20 years wife, Emma, who gave Isabel advice on or more, warning about a nuclear dooms- how to get in touch with Jung. day. On the White House roof you could The data being examined to help with Step see a man purposefully wandering around, III is several dozen file boxes relating to dressed all in black and carrying a serious information Isabel gathered on patterns in looking weapon. the way people answer MBTI questions, I thought that not being able to get to the of which there are about 150, so there are White House fence was the norm, but the several computers engaged in the project. police on the spot were apparently operat- Data is from a wide range of institutions ing on instructions without explanation, Mr G goes to Washington and people who are still alive, including and after a while the fence was open to some famous people. inspection, largely by a bunch of school- Allen commented on Isabel’s facility with children. The gardens and entrance seemed statistics, stating that she had developed pretty and tranquil. multivariate statistics by hand ‘before it was We returned to the car, eventually locating called that’. There were several things that it in a car park, and headed off for other the development team was working out landmarks. We careened around the Lincoln how to measure. Allen also suggested that Memorial For a time before concluding Isabel’s work indicated she’d developed that we couldn’t get close to it in the car; something parallelling Bandura’s self- so we settled on the Jefferson Memorial, efficacy theory in the 1940s. which I hadn’t visited before. This is an All of these snippets and information that impressive monument, standardised in Allen swiftly presented were fascinating some way, as the Jefferson and Lincoln to me: not just the things that answering statues are both described as 19 feet high. questions in a particular pattern can suggest, Jefferson quotations were on the inner walls but also Isabel Myers as a theorist of per- of the circular stone pavilion, and an ex- sonality. There’s a book or two in there cellent view was provided from the steps. somewhere. All in all, a satisfying day.

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Smithsonian / Air and Space White Flint / Metro

Next day saw me travelling with Jamie The next day I had free, as I had a couple and Doug Johnson to the Smithsonian Air of days to go before I travelled up to see and Space Museum, which I’d seen several Katharine Myers. I’d received a cheque years ago in the centre of Washington. Part from APTi for the flights I’d paid for and of the museum is now out in the country thought I would avoid charges by cashing close to Washington Dulles Airport, with it at their bank, which was at a place called an enclosed viewing platform affording White Flint. The Washington train system extensive views of a large variety of air- (Metro) had a station of that name, so I craft coming in to land, and technology thought I would go there and look around showing how the sky above and around as there appeared to be a shopping centre airports is regulated. An impressive stain- there and the prospect of books. less steel sculpture slashing into the air It didn’t seem to be too far away to walk, lies at the end of a pathway into the car actually, but in order to get there I would park, which was mostly empty, and so have to go in the other direction, as the excellent for three introverts intersection of several main roads meant The museum itself is impressive, predom- there wasn’t a roadside path. So I headed inantly American planes (no Spitfires or towards Bethesda, strolling down Rockville Sopwith Camels, but a Concorde). A Space Pike, much like one or two people who Shuttle and Stealth bomber are contained seemed to be heading to work that way. within, as well as various space capsules The National Institutes of Health, essent- and an array of World War II aircraft. The ially giant research centres, were some way Concorde and Shuttle were smaller than down the road, with the Bethesda Naval I had expected. I enjoyed seeing a Focke- Hospital, the scene of many emergencies Wulf 190, as I’d been given a model to over past decades, taking up large grounds put together when I was quite young. An opposite. There was also a pleasant rocky American Corsair was spectacularly set up. stream, not far from a wooden church, After wandering around mostly on our which announced itself as the reason for own, we had a break in the McDonalds the naming of that area, in 1820. set up as part of the museum itself, which The medical institutes had a Metro station we all thought was a little disappointing, and so I headed in to the bowels of the as there were no other alternatives. I think earth in search of the train, which came an Australian museum of similar calibre The Enterprise has landed: along soon enough. I must admit to being would provide a café and a respectable a fan of the Washington Metro; it seems Smithsonian Museum restaurant, but perhaps this is considered to work fairly simply and well, something family fare and so the family restaurant the Melbourne train system doesn’t seem appears. to be able to achieve, particularly in its The visit was completed by an Imax film, ticketing system. Fighter Pilot: Operation Red Flag, about I expected everything (shopping mall, bank, war games in the Nevada area, and quite etc) to be clustered around the station, but spectacular and extremely interesting, it wasn’t like that at all, and I was lost for once you got away from the jingoistic direction until I asked at a hotel. The bank undertones. I sought was a small place opposite the The day finished with a meal in a Bethesda mall and, apart from being asked to put Italian restaurant, which was quite pleasant. my thumbprint on the back of the cheque, The dishes were quite different from what everything was straightforward, although you might expect in Australia, even those I had to explain to the teller that I had with similar names. As the proprietors were never done that sort of thing before. This Italian and came from similar places to was my explanation for being unable to what you experience in Australia, perhaps locate the small, closed, ink pad that you it’s the American influence that drives the had to press your thumb onto. nature of the selections.

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The mall opposite was congenial with re- he drove me to the station in his new red gard to books and other interesting items, Mr MBTI Cadillac, a most comfortable and I again lunched at an Italian restaurant, machine to ride in. I had mixed feelings testing out my regional theory. The trip about turning up, as I was soon to finish home was perfunctory: it’s interesting how teaching the OKA qualifying workshop in a walk back to the place you’re staying is Australia (something Otto didn’t know), an always shorter than the outgoing journey. event out of my control. Essentially I was saying goodbye to the building and those in it, as well as bringing back a few mem- Union Station / Fairfax ories of when I started learning the OKA course there in 1995. Although I had a couple of days before a train journey northward to visit Katharine I finished up the day by experiencing the Myers, I thought I might be better off not Italian cuisine offered by one of the hotel to seek a last-minute ticket. I also intended restaurants, following suggestions made to catch up with Otto Kroeger and I was by the waiter, and I must say it was one of running out of time for that. So I headed the best meals I ever tasted. off seeking the Metro again, except this time I went further, into Bethesda, which Wilmington / Kendal I don’t think my body enjoyed, as it was a few miles walk, I thought. The next day I headed for the Metro and After a substantial breakfast at an old-fash- Union station, to take a trip to Wilmington, ioned diner of sorts (after which I knew I Delaware, not far south of Philadelphia. It wouldn’t need to eat for several hours), I is apparently the nearest stop to Kendal, the walked around a little before seeking the retirement home where Katharine Myers Metro again. This was a lot harder than I lives. The ride was extremely pleasant, I was saying goodbye to thought, as there weren’t too many signs particularly as the train had a ‘quiet’ car clearly describing anything much, let alone which means free of mobile phones— the building and those in it, something underground, so I spent some although the people who chose the car time at intersections looking around, as didn’t talk much either. bringing back memories of well as at traffic lights, which seemed to I got to Wilmington earlier than expected. count out how many seconds you had to when I started learning the Katharine was returning from a cruise she cross the road. had always wanted to do, and wouldn’t OKA course there in 1995 At Union Station, where I could buy the arrive for a couple of hours, so I wandered Amtrak ticket I needed, there was lots of around for a while. I didn’t go too far, as activity. The architecture is quite stunning the immediate surrounds looked desolate but it can be hidden by the commercial and run down, although there were new enterprises touting for business within. buildings not far away. I sought out a row Getting a ticket was easier than I thought. of terraces which looked like the sort of I selected a time that was congenial and place where people like me might have a made a simple enquiry about baggage meal, but I was only partly right, as most limits and that was that. of the terraces didn’t have that sort of custom, so I propped in a coffee shop and The Metro system extends into Virginia, had an enjoyable sandwich. on the other side of the Potomac River. From previous visits I knew that I just had I read in the station for a while, until I to go to the end of the line and get a taxi decided it was better that I was in Kendal to the OKA offices, where Otto would be rather than there. The taxi trip was quite teaching. I turned up unannounced, as I pleasant, green and leafy, although the wasn’t sure when, or if, I would go, and I trees of the US are alien to me, much as surprised a couple of people, but not Otto, Australian trees were to early European who knew I would be turning up that week. settlers, and perhaps the early settlers of I think he expected me earlier in the week. Jamestown, Philadelphia and the like. Forests have their mystery; I preferred a He had commitments after the course that German forest to these woods. day, so we had a good chat in a break and

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I stayed overnight in a building identified I missed out on seeing Mary McCaulley a of course, but only in the way as a Farm House: it had had that original last time when the APT Toronto conference she understood, not from what purpose, but was now for visitors. It was was postponed because of SARS and so I I requested: which, of course, is quite nice, although I would have preferred made sure I took the opportunity when it no help at all I hope the system an en suite so I didn’t have to guess when came. Apparently people usually come to works better now and she knows I could use the bathroom. The downstairs visit Katharine with something to request. more about what it doesn’t do. parts were elegantly presented in drawing It seems that I end up being the We then drove out into the country to the room style. exception rather than the rule, Farmhouse Restaurant, adjacent to Loch even when I don’t seek it out. I found Katharine’s place and waited for Nairn Golf Club, a place of some reputation Must be something about life. her, wandering around a bit as well. Kendal as far as food goes, particularly crab cakes, is one of those places where you can have and it lived up to its promise. Nothing dramatic happened self-contained accommodation (like a unit after that, just a tired traveller After that it was time to start the journey or semi-detached house), as Katharine had; trying to get back in one piece, home. Katharine drove me to Philadelphia assisted accommodation; and a hospital- knowing he had a group to teach International Airport, where we said our style wing for the inevitable decline, I sup- the day after touching down in goodbyes after a really pleasant time. pose. It’s set in attractive gardens and there Melbourne, and that home per are walks in the woods. Run by Quakers, se wasn’t really on the agenda it had a calm about it. Katharine isn’t a Philadelphia / home for another few weeks. Quaker, but the philosophy suits her and Travel, enjoyable though it is it’s not far from where she grew up. In going through the airport doors, I felt a and interesting in itself, will She arrived and we greeted each other and sense of completion and relief, as I had take a back seat for a while to started to reacquaint ourselves. We hadn’t achieved everything I’d set out to do. I was reading, writing and refection, really spoken since the APT Scottsdale also a bit exhausted with all the travel and as well as a bit of home main- conference in 1999, but had occasionally socialising, so looked forward to a simple tenance and gardening, until the corresponded. I told her about the meeting trip home. money pile diminishes enough I had just attended and there was a brief Unfortunately, United presented me with for me to seek the outer world discussion about the business and politics something unexpected, in an automatic again in familiar and unfamiliar of type. Mostly, though, it was a rambling check-in facility, complete with a pleasant places. ™ thing, which suited me and was quite person to explain it, which I couldn’t com- enjoyable. prehend at all, particularly as this woman Some references We shared a meal in the dining room at was so pleasant she didn’t listen to me Kendal, which had a hospital-like air, but and my concerns about being a passenger APTi Leadership Conference 2006, Conference Workbook. produced good enough food. They have a travelling internationally. There seemed reasonable library and lots of activities, no facility for that sort of thing, and she Skip Battin 2004 (1974), ‘On the Amazon’ couldn’t explain it to me nor answer my (Skip Battin, ) KYO Music / intellectual and otherwise. I noted a framed Bad Boy Music, from The New Riders piece of needlework on the Bayeux Tapes- questions. Stress fell pretty quickly on me of the Purple Sage, , Columbia try, something I have an interest in and a and I started to stutter and not be able to LP and BGO (CD). speak, as happens to me in these situations. special book on at home. Sean B Carroll 2006, Endless forms most It was embarrassing, as there were others beautiful: The new science of Evo Devo, I found myself explaining some of the inner New York: W W Norton. secrets of INTPs, as I see them anyway. waiting to get their baggage processed and It’s something I enjoy, as I’ve spent most I was struggling to be coherent. I’d also Bob Dylan 1966, ‘Subterranean homesick noticed that people in an adjacent area blues’ (Bob Dylan), Warner-Chappell of life being misinterpreted or misunder- Music, from Bringing it all back home, stood. I tend to think that if I explain where who were going to Australia, were being Columbia. I’m coming from, people will understand processed differently. The person doing and learn from that and relationships might that processing overheard what was going Photos: Peter Geyer, Margaret Fields get clearer and better. It doesn’t work as on and tried to catch the attention of the well as I would like, actually, but in this woman who was insisting on the process instance it seemed to help Katharine with she was presenting as being right for me. You tell me that it’s evolution experiences in the past with people she Eventually I was processed properly, but Well you know cares about. it was a long time after I took my runners We all want to change the world The next morning was more of the same, off for the airport security people before I But when you talk about destruction a pleasant discussion. Katharine asked me got back on an even keel. The person who You know that you can count me out (in) why I was there. It was really for the chat. had stressed me had been trying to help, John Lennon, ‘Revolution 1’

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