Fifth Series Wednesday, April 3, 1974 X VII 30 Chaitra 13, 1896 (Saka)
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COLU~I~S , Oral Answers to Questions : "Starred Questions Nos. 54(" 547. 550. 551. 553, 556 to 560 and 502. 1-37 Wrirtet: An-wcrx to Quesrions
Starred Questions Nos. 548. 54lJ. 552. 554, 555. 561 and 563 to 565. 37--44 U U nsturred Questions Nos. 5487 to 549S, 5500 to 5504, 5506 to ,'~f; I 5525. 5527 to 5531, 5533, 5535 to 5572, 5574 to 5642 and 5645 to f' J." 5663. 44-176
C.t1ling Auention to Matter of Urgent Public l mpor tancc=- .• Reported recovery of thousands of live bombs from a gudown in Kar.pur 176-88
Paper" bid 011 the Table 188--90
Committee on Subordinate Legislation->- t~I: Tel~!!~ Report 190 ., . ' Public Accounts Commiuee=- Hundred and eighth Report 190
Elections to Committees:
(i) Estimates Committee 191
(ii) Public Accounts Committee J 91--92 (iii) Committee on Pu blic U ndcrtak ings 192--93
Plantations Labour (Amendment) Bill-
Concurrence in Rajya Sabha recommendation to appoint Member to Joint Committee. 194--95 "The sign + marked above thc name ofa Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member. 7 LSS;74--1 (»)
Co l u m n s Re. Distribution of allegedly offensive calendars to M. Ps. 195—207
Statement re President’s Order in regard to the authorisation of expenditure out of Consolidated Fund of Pondicherry , 207—35
Shri H. R. G o k h a l e ...... 207— 1S
Re. Proposed strike by General Insurance employees . . . 235—36 Discussion re Procurement and Pricing Policy of Wheat for 1974-75 s e a s o n ...... 236—374
Shri B. V. N a i k ...... 236-45 Shri A. K.. G o p a l a n ...... 246 -52 Shri B. R. B h a g a t ...... 252-59 Shri Indrajit G u p t a ...... 259 70 Shri Dinesh Chandra G o s w a m i ...... 270 -74 Shri Priya Ranjan Das M u n s i ...... * 274 -8 2 Shri Piloo Mody ...... 282 *86 Shri Jagannath Rao ...... 286 -90 Shri P. V e n k a ta s u b b a ia h ...... 290-95 Shri Ranabahadur S i n g h ...... 295 -98 Shri B. R. S h u k l a ...... 298 302 Shri C. T. D h a n d a p a n i ...... 302— 107 Shri C. M. S t e p h e n ...... 307-12 Shri Shankar Dayal S i n g h ...... 312— 16 Shri Shyamnandan M i s h r a ...... 316—23 Shri Nathuram M i r d h a ...... 324 -27 Shri A. K. M. I s h a q u e ...... 327—31 Shri Madhu L i m a y e ...... 331-37 Dr. K a i l a s ...... 337—41 Shri Darbara S i n g h ...... 341 —43 Shri M aha Deepak Singh S h a k y a ...... 343 -46 Shri Natwarlal P a t e l ...... 346—48 Shri Chiranjib Jha ...... 348—50 Shri Chandrika P ra s a d ...... 350—52 Shri N. P. Y a d a v ...... 3 5 2 -5 4 Shri F. A. A h m e d ...... 354— 74 LOK SABHA DEBATES
1 2 LOK SABHA on an informal basis The scheme of assistance for strengthening planning Wednesday, Apnl 1974/ machinery also envisages the engaging of non government consultants for which Chaltra 13, 1896 (Saka) also the Central Government would bear two thirds of the expendituie The L>k Sibha met at Eleven of the Clock (b) No Sir (Mk Spi AktR m the Chair] SHRI K RAMAKRISHNA REDDY ORA I ANSWF RS IOQUISTIONS It has been mentioned that two thirds of the additional expenditure is borne bv the Request bv Vndhra Pradfcsh Government Centre May I know what is the nature for Experienced Officers from the Centre of the technical help which the Centre for formulation of State's Plan proposes to gi\e to the States?
*546 SHRI k RAM \K.RISHN\ SHRI MOHAN DHARIA We have Rl DDY Will the Minister >f Planning be requested the State Governments to help pleased to state their Planning Boards with a Deputy Chairman who should be as far as possible (a) whether Central Government pro an expert and other experts »nd at the pose to help the State Planning Boards same time we have requested them to with financial and technical help and strengthen their whole planning mechanism
SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA 1*R SPEAKER : The question **> HOLDER : in reply <0 part SHRI R N BARMAN Ma> I know SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA whether some local newspapers, of ^est HALDtR Ma> I know, whethei any Bengal are facing a financial crisis due to financial help will be given to dub Bengali th* monetary losses on account of this films m Hindi and other regional languages restriction? If so, what alternative pro- and in Inghsh'* posals do Government have to remove the financial difficulties of the newspapers? SHRI I k GUJRAL \es, Sir Wc would be willing to give assistance tf sc me THE MINISTER OF INFORMATION specific proposition is made As a matter ANt> BROADCASTING (SHRI I K. of fact, I have suggested to one or two CUiftAl) : Thi# is something between producers to come forward with some «xWhhors and the newspaper specific proposition Unfortunatelv nobod\ They want to charge at certain has come foiward >et Oral Answer* APRIL 3, 1974 O fd Ai& wm • Laying eff of Workers In Cement M i Factories which ware closed Jar want jfor m a ttfC n l L AXlC, Dwarka. *550. SHRI D. B. CHANDRA 2. U.P. State Cement Corporation, GOWDA i Will the Minister of Churk. INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be SHRI D. B. CHANDRA GOWDA : pleased to state: The statement does not give actually how many workers have been laid off. First (a) whether the Cement factories have it was wagon shortage, then power cot and started laying off of workers owing to coal water shortage. Now it is coal shortage. shortage; and White acute shortage of coal had resulted in the hampering of production, non* Statement SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM : There arc rules for payment to laid off workers. That Tbe requirement of coal for the cement will be done by the industrial units con- industry has been assessed at 5.20 lakhs cerned , No special step need be taken by tonnes per month against which an allocation the Government in thts regard. of 4.57 lakh tonnes per month was planned. However* the actual supplies of coal to SHRI D, B. CHANDRA GOWDA : cement factories during the period May I know whether he has received any September, 1973 to February. 1974 were representation from the trade unions as much lower between 2.73 lakh tonnes and well as the manufacturers urging the 3.47 lakh tonnes per month. Government to avert the crisis that the industry is facing by allotting wagons to As a result, the following factories had remove the mounting stocks? cither closed or laid off workers for varying period* according to the coal stock position SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : Yes, i» the respective factories. Sir. Various representations law* $eta received* The Ministry of Industrial Factories which have hkt off worker* Development have been taking up the mailer with the railways and the Ministry of Coal 1. India Cements, Talaiuthu. and Mines. We are trying to Improve the situation with regard to the availably 2, India Cement, Sankaridrug. of coal and the movement of coal. 3, A.C.C., Madufcitarai. 4. Dalmia Cement fBharat) Daimia- puram. 9 Oral dntwtrt CHATTRA, 13, 1896 (SAJKA) Oral Answers 10 to cement factories in the southern and western region of the country? fcsmftrfcntk Pwft *u4t iwHlf ftfa vi- • a iiii :■ mten^3rr%:^TOTT | «fr worn m '' : *ta { # ) «wr fjwrtf % w m x «ft tit *rrr im to t q m * ft* % ----- wm rt fr «rwt t?r * wr *nc s # % $* fRW, fw w rtr^fc^B T fM rirtfft: f l WW ftnf ; f » tfswr f t «fr ? w ?ftar vra? vr anrnr « tt i f t f t r rr itt i v m # n » : FTsnr % m* 0 v m i SHRI RAM N1WAS MfRDHA : It is true that some members of Ananda SHRI NAWAL K1SHORE SHARMA : Marg have come to notice for indulging in This is an important point. It should not violent activities. The case to which the be concealed from the House. Members question refers is one such case in which have a right to know that, very serious charges have been made against the Head of Ananda Marg and the THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS case is still pending. While the case was (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT) : pending, one of the accused persons was In his question he has asked for two points being brought to Patna from Gaya, and of information. One was how many people when the jeep had reached outside the have actually been murdered. Wherever court of District Magistrate, Patna, a young we got any clue or reliable information, man of about 25*26 years of age threw a the police had done immediate invest!* hand grenade at the accused. Fortunately, gation and people have been arrested and the grenade, which was of military origin, the cases are going on, including the recent did not explode. After throwing the one. Otherwise, it is impossible for us to grenade, the assailant opened ftrc from a say what other persons were affected or revolver, but the shots did not hit anybody. about the actual number of murders that On hearing the alarm raised by the escort were committed by this group. party, the assailant ran towards the Ganga river and jumped into it. The Police pafty The last point on which he asked for chased him and two constables jumped in information was whether some Members the Ganges in hot pursuit and were able of Parliament and others did seek an inter- to arrest the assailant. The revolver, view and got the interview with Shri P. R. however, could not be recovered. The Sarkar. 1 think, on an earlier occasion* assailant was later identified as Avadhoot 1 have myself mentioned in the House B m ayaoaod of Ananda Marg. During that Shri Atal Bihar i Vajpayee, Shri Sm ttr the course of interrogation, the assailant Guha and two other gentlemen did inter* sailed that the attempt on the lift of view Shri Sarfcar in the jail in question. Madhavanand was in pursuance of a conspiracy hatched by some fanatic Margw AN WON. M£MB£R ; Whai was the The case is being investigated. This is purpose? not the only case in which the followers of Ananda Marg have been implicated. SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : T h ere is a fanatic group which ha ve indulged That is not known, in a c ts of violence from time to lime and Government has been taking action against SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : For what pur- them as and when it comes to their notice. pose they .met him.. ITlMtt: : 13. 1896 {SAKA) ■ '' ■ Oral Answers ■ 14 10 know because large scale violenoe is SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : taking place i* Bihar. The hon. Minister should not try to avoid answering my question. How many cases MR. SPEAKER : The hon. Member have been lodged with the Police? should not disturb the Home. He may please resume his seat. SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : For that 1 will require notice... SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : May 1 know whether the Home Ministry (Interruptions) knows how many cases have actually been lodged with the Police *nd* in hon many MR. SPEAKER : Mr. Bhattacharyya cases proceedings against Ananda Murti you arc asking a specific question. were started before the iast occasion and SHRI DINEN .BHATTACHARYYA : is it not a fact that there was evidence also Whether it is relevant or not, it is for you that when Mr. Jyoti Bosu went to Patna to consider. three or four years ago, these Ananda Margis fired on him but accidentally Mr. MR. SPEAKER : 1 hope you will really Jyoti Bosu was saved but one of the depend on me. friends of Mr. Jyoti*Bosu was killed and evidence was given that it was the The question is one in very general terms Ananda Margis who fired on Mr. Jyoti about the organised attempt to liquidate Bosu. So, my first question is I How the approvers in live Ananda Marg murder many cases have been registered by the case. But you are asking about many Police against this Ananda Murti and of details and a particular name. So, it is these cases, whether firing on Mr. Jyoti much better that you give a separate notice Bosu by these fellow* was aho recorded if you are interested in any particular case. in the Police Station and the case was hushed up subsequently by the Govern- SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : ment. I do not know whether at the This shows the attitude of the Government. instance of the Centre or the Bihar Government, it was hushed up. SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : I would like to know from the hon. Minister SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : one thing because that is my own experience. The hon. Member has given a great deal If I could put the question in that manner, of information. the Ananda Margis first used to go to the students and youth hostels and appeal SHRI OINEN BHATTACHARYYA : to the youth. This is my own experience. It is known to everybody. They came to my room also. I know personally that those who opposed him. SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : some of them were killed. I have relevant If everybody knows it, then no question noed be answered here. information which I can place before the Home Ministry. Only a year and a half So far a* this question ts concerned, the back these supporters of Ananda Marg questioner warns to know whether any who opposed P. R. Sarkar came to Delhi offlbart .were involved in this. That is the for protection of the Home Ministry and ******* IKM»V So ftir as the first question I personally told them to meet Mr. K. C. wttll-. J already answered Pant who was at that tin* in the Home ^ Ministry... IS Oral Answm APRIL X9U Or* A t m m t* SHRI K. S. CHAVDA .Het*not patting Vo« *re gtvfug the tnfbmMrtkNi to til# the question, Sir. Minister and not asking tbe SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNS1 ; SHRI X. S. CHAVDA zT U t H I Should 1 be guided by him or by the Speaker, interrupted. Sir? SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI; MR. SPfcAKER Let me listen to hts I know why you interrupted. question SHRI VAYALAR RAVI ; It ba» SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : been reported widely that a section of So, I want to know ., Government officials including certeH people in the Police have been very much SHRI K, S. CHAVDA : On the contrary tn connivance with the Ananda Marg and be is giving information to the House. the followers of the Ananda Marg. I SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI I would like to know from the hon. Yea, X am giving information. Why are Minister whether it is a fact that these you worried? official* also are involved in these murders and whether there is any attempt to hide I would like to know from tbe Minister the fact and if so, whether the Ministry whether his Ministry is aware that in the has made any scrutiny or examination of recent incidents at Patna efforts were made the allegation*. by the Ananda Marg leaders to go to a section of the students and the youth and SHRI UMA SHANKAR DI3KSHIT : request them to create a situation which As I stated m the original answer, we have may directly go against the Government. asked for information from the State Government and we have not yet received MR SPfAlCfrR ■ How n it relevant? any such details SHRI PRIYA RANIAN DAS MUNSI . sfr an; f a r * ; v t m wirtw, sr**r v k fr I have the information I would like to know from the Government 1 know it whether there was an organised attempt (ituv,nipuafU) Why should Mr Chavda to liquidate the approvers in the Ananda be worried? I will prove’it in the House Marg murder case. within one month what these people have pri* w ***** % * *ift *r done. I would like to know from the Minister whether his Ministry has informa- w r %&f *nrr t # *nrhrsr fr wvw w ftt tion that the> tried to provoke a section FfqT*&f*ftoifr»Wri?r ftPTT of tbe students and youth in Bihar and also others who are not concerned with the w c ttodents and the youth community to mr * 0 fr % txn m w f t fr ^ fWwtfft create a situation against the Government. tftwr *w*t fr tfr Jm titm w r I m t 1 would like to know it. ftrrf&r w : W f % w i* MR SPEAKER : You *tc not listening * *rf ***•#* * * * i**r ws to tbe Speaker at an. The question is very simple ; “Attempt to liquidate approvers is the * wm #wr m m t p t Ananda Marg Murder Owe*’. n A tisw m CHAITRA, 13. 1896 (SAKA) Or*l Answer* IS sft«lfWtmI? H THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER w^ropwr film % ^ wtw $i OP ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER OF w m * t$ m : igpwr *F|W * SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI): The way the hon Member is getting excited ^ wi| * tit V * $ * tw%#«re«n% is m fact quite suspicious Arams m sum ten wbt | (Interruptions) The hon. Member on our side merely wrfifffw nfcsc t nfwrf*n fc «V **i% f^raro asked whether certain people had gone v n ynfanft «flrf*t**rpj5fr i sror f*r *rc? ^ and interviewed thts individual ^*rcr*$tg$fctft»fefr*stam*w ^ w r t SHRI MADHU LIMAYE : In the vwwrfijvi vttar%fre«r*ta* context of this question dkimfts^w^hRPriTvt, hf vpt reply given on the 5th December, Such undertakings were required to 1973 to Unstarred Question No. 3525 intimate to the DGTp or other appropriate regarding Irregularities in issue of COB technical authorities concerned the parti* licence and state : culars regarding their revised manufactur- e s programme and the new article proposed (a) whether no permission from DGTD to be manufactured. No permission as was obtained for diversifying production; such was required to be obtained for diver* sifying production. (b) if not, whether Government will provide refcrcnce number and date of each (b) and (c). Do not arise. permission; fd) According to the Administrative (c) if no record has been maintained orders regarding classification of files, whether it is a case of irregularity and should files of cases in which licences have been be investigated; and granted are treated as permanent records. ♦ake action Since in <\l these cases raw Foreign Collaboration for Technical Know- materials are required for achieving pro- low duction, they have to report, and on the basis of production, raw materials are allotted *55t> SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA , Will to them This is the position There is the Minister of SCILNCC AND TECHNO- this safeguard there Therefore there is LOGY be pleased to state no possibility of any cases where they would (a) whether the N C S T has prepared not have reported production and submitted a report regarding foreign SHRI K S CHAVDA The Minister collaboration for technical know-hov*» has said what is m my mind, etc My sup* (b) if so the mam recommendations of plementary is based on what is written the report, and in page 4 It says that ‘Indu'ti lal undertak- ings going in for the manufacture of new (c) Go\rrnmeni’s reaction thereto 9 articles or increased production tn pursu- ance of this relaxation will however be THE MIN1STLR O! INDUSTRIAL required to intimate to the D G T D DEV FLOPMfcNT AND SCIENCE AND or other appropriate technical authority TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRAMA- concerned the particulars regaiding these N!\M) (a) Yes Sir things That is why I am asking this (b) The mam recommendations pertain question He has not replied to that SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM I have (0 mechanism for constant techno- replied to that economic evaluation and selection SHRI K S CHWDA, Itisansingftom of appropriate technologies to be the statement given bv the Minister him- imported, self (ii) measures to prevent repetiuve im- SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM . I here ports of technologies are a large number of questions about (in) mechanism for the adaptation* 20 questions which the hon Member has absorption and dttusion of imported put He has also raised the same point m technology and us further indigenous the General Debate development u ithout continuing dependcncc on the foreign techno- SHRI K. S CHAVDA . He has not log\ supplier replied on the General Debate What am 1 to do. Sir f What should I do, Sir ° (c) The recommendations arc under consideration of Government SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM I have not been able to understand and that is why SHRI INDR\JIT GUPI \ I would it ts better if he discusses wtih me We hke to know whether it is a fact that the will be able to get the requisite informa- balance of the recommendations b less in tion fa\ our now of self-reliance, that is to say, dependent on tlie indigenous technology, SHRI K. S CHAVDA • All right, 1 will than on import of foreign technolog) as discuss with him, I will not ask now it is subject to certain precautions on which MR. SPEAKER . I will not allow any the balanpg stands as per the latest reports more questions out ot thi*. of the N C ST 23 Otal Answers APRIL 3. 1974 Oral Answers 24 SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM : It depends the period has elapsed—it should not be on the indigenous technology. Even with renewed after the time indicated U the regard to the imported technology we are licchce, not to depend upon further import of the same. Such an import would be allowed SHRI JAGNNATH RAO :M ayl know for improvement or for adaptation of the the area in which foreign collaboration for same. The attempt is to have it done within the technical know-how is still required ? tbe country. SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM : There is SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : In the a publication ‘Guidelines to Industries' very critical sectors of oil and fertilisers as where it has been indicated the time up to also energy, is it not a fact that the Govern- which the foreign collaboration is allowed. ment's inclination is now pronouncedly in In that publication the time-limit up to which favour of imported foreign technology in such foreign collaboration is permitted is preference to the indigenous technology indicated. that is available in the country ? SHRI fi. V. NAIK : May I know from the SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : I can give hon. Minister whether the National Com- this assurance to the hon. Member that if mittee on Science and Technology, besides indigenous technology is available in that engaging itself with the import of technology area, no import of technology would be has also given any thought to the export permitted whatever may be the conditions. of whatever technology that we have got But, the areas which the hon. Member from this country ? And has it been pos- mentioned are critical areas with regard to sible to arrive at a conclusion in the matter which the indigenous technology available of self-reliance regarding the balance bet- is perhaps limited. And. perhaps, only in ween the import and export and not to make those cases and that too, where it is un- it as a sort of one-way traffic ? avoidable, the import of technology is con- SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM . The hon. sidered by Government. Member has made a very relevant point. It will not be possible for any country to SHRI BISWAKARAYAN SHASTR1 : depend upon indigenous technology alone. May I know from the hon. Minister whe- At the same time, it should not be a one- ther, in the report prepared by the N.C.S.T., way traffic that we go on getting the tech- any time-limit has been envisaged ? If not, nology from abroad but we do not export how long will the foreign collaboration be any of our technologies to other countries. seeded for these industries ? But, fortunately, during the last few years, we have started exporting our technology, SHRI C SUBRAMANIAM : As a particularly, to the African countries and matter of fact, when we issue a licence or also to South Hast Asian countries and, to permission for collaboration, the time-limit a certain extent, to the Middfo»East Own* is always ftxed-HSve yean or seven years tries. And our technologies have been or nine years—this is the relevant period— accepted by them and tome of their Indus* taking into account the sophistication of the tries are working on that basis. technology concerned. PROF, MADHU DANDAVATR : I At far as time-limit is concerned, the would like to know from the hon. Minister xeportsays that generally they ask for con* whether Government would be indlaed to tin at ion this collaboration even alter have in expert opinion from technoiogtots 25 Oral Answers CHAITRA, 13. 1896 (SAKA) Oral Answers 26 and scientists, especially from countries THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tike Japan, to evolve a new ftmall unit te- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND chnology which was propounded by the IN THE DEPARTMENT OFiPERSON- late Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia, which would NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): be based on electricity and diesel and could (a) No ease of violation of Foreign Ex- be actually dispersed in the small villages change Regulations Law by any cittern of in view of the problems of inadequacy of Yugoslavia has come to the notice of the capital, large population and unem ploy- Directorate of Enfoi cement during the limit ? year 1973-74. SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : Does >t (b) to (d) Do not arise. arise out of this question ? SHRI SHANKERRAO SAVANT : MR. SPEAKER : He has said what he Have Government seen newspaper reports had to say. I do not think that he is con- to the effect that.. cerned with the answer. SHRI VASANT SATHE : It is a valuable MR. SPLAKER : When he has catego- suggestion. rically denied it, how does it anse 1 PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : I SHRI SHANKERRAO SAVANT : would like to know whether Government There were newspaper reports to that t would be inclined to accept this suggestion effect Why did they not deny it especially and examine it in depth ? when a friendly country was involved ? SHRI C. SUBRAMANIAM : Certainly, MR. SPEAKER : He does not believe when the hem. Member has made a sugges- the hon. Minister ? He has given a catego- tion, and particularly one which is associa- rical repl> to it. ted with the late Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia, we have to give consideration to it. SHRI SHANKERRAO SAVANT : There were newspaper reports that some Violation of Foreign Exdonge Regulations Yugoslav citizens were involved. I want byCH feem of Yugoslavia ia India 10 hiio* v,n> i.L* ui' •557. SHRI SHANKERRAO SAVANT: ly since Yugoslavia is a friendly country. Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased to ttate: SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : I do not know to which press report the (a) the number of citbens of Yugoslavia hon. Member is referring, and, therefore, who have been found guilty of violating I cannot say whether it needed any rebuttal foreign exchange control regulations during or formal denial by Government or not. 1973-74; (b) what was their modus eperandii SHRI SHANKERRAO SAVANT : Were the citizens of any other country in* (c) which Indians have aided and abetted vohed in such affairs ? them; (d) the action taken against the Indians MR. SPEAKER : I would advise him and the Yugoslavs for these offence* ? to give separate notice. 27 Oral Answers APRIL 3, 1974 Oral Answers 28 Postal, Telegraph and Telephone comattmi- gory station for providing a public call « tk » s hi Rural areas during Fifth Plan office ? *1“ •558. PROF. NARAIN CHANI* PA- THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- R\SHAR : TIONS SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA SHRI TARUN GOGOl : REDDY); That matter is under examination. Wtil the Minister of COMMUNI- PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARAS* CATIONS be pleased to state : HAR : It is very essential for tbe develop- ment of rural area* and communication (a) whether Government have made any facilities that smaller units of adminiirtra- special provision to provide better Postal, tion and development are created there. Telegraph and Telephone communications May I know whether in the hilly and espe- in the rural areas of the country during the cially the backward areas. Government Fifth Year Plan; and would consider it desirable to give some relaxation of the criteria for creating these fb) if so, the main features of these pro- subdivisions, divisions etc ** visions ? PROF SHER SINGH. We do give THt MINISTER OF STATE IN TH1 relaxation and we have given relaxation MINISrRY OF COMMUNICATIONS in some cases. We have iccently started (PROF. SHf-R SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. a telegraph division at Dharmasala in (b) I. Postal Servuei : relaxation of the normal standard It is propo *ed to provide post offices at SHRI TARUN GOGOI • The postal Grunt Paacha>at Villages which are at telegraph and telephone facilities Mill con- distance of over 2 miles fiom the nearest tinue to be urban-oriented May 1 know P.O. m normal rural areas and very-back* the total allocation for the rural areas for wjtf J Hilly areas during the 5th Plan. the development of postal, telegraph and This would provide better postal facilities telephone facilities ? in rural areas including increased fre- quency of delivery of mails PROF SHIR SINGH I cannot give tust now, the exact figure of expenditure II. Telecom Senkes : that is to be incurred I have indicated that 5000 public call offices and 7000 telegraph It is propped to open 5090 public call offices are to be opened tn the rural areas offices and 7000 telegraph offices during during the Fifth Plan the fil'th Five Year Plan. The detailed policy to be observed for SHRI TARUN GOGOI : How mans op; nng sj^h offices it under examination. in the urban areas 7 PROF NARAIN CHAND PARAS- PROP SHLR SINGH: It will be about H \R . In vie*- of the Government's desire 7 lakh odd telephones. to p rj'iJe better facilities in the rural In the rural areas, there is not tmnh areas, may I ask for specific information demand. whether the P&T authorities consider it deiirable to declare the community AN HON. MEMBER : Not much development block head quartern as cate- demand ? 29 Oral Antwers CHATTRA. 13, 1896 (SAKA) Oral Answers 30 PROF SHTR MNGH As regards service conditions ot the extra-departmental PCOs. wc open PC Os if wc get 25 per cent stafl t>o that postal services* in the ruial areas of income of the expenditure we incui reattv become efficient and useful 7 Even, if onlv 25 per cent return is got wc open a PCO But sometimes even ?5 per SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA RBDDY cent is not recovered Tor backward You will have noticed that recently the areas, we have dectdcd to insist on only emoluments of these extra-departmental 15 per cent recovery and for hiHv areas employees have been increased only 10 per ccnt recovers Fv n that is not coming «ft simm tot n? t fa ifPTT tarar *r ^rr *srrr ^ f, SHRI KRISHNA CHANDRA 3*TT V? ^ tFZTTf TO HALDl: R The hon Minister said >ust rrm f irhr n w *tt v t * rTf tf*rt now that in the Fifth Plan period S000 public call offices *nd 7000 elegraph offices *Frrar w m & fw r srart ^ will be opened in rural areas Out of IT # * W w tf!W fVBtftWf i W ftx (b) if so, the reaction of the Central w n fr fa % Government thereto ? *gi%i % t tfw uH fed $ fa mrcft *r *ft*RT % StPffar ^frft tFCTTCf % SWf TT THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE jforcnrwrftftmfir e ^ *** MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI t wffefm* w f * i f t |—vRt^fiERtirnir MOHAN DHARIA) ; (a) and (b). A state- ment is laid on the Table of the House. % 1FT ffHIT f t t 1857 i f ^ ■^tfar f t » # *nr ^tprt Wfipn f fa Statement *rftwrt % wwwnl, irtr The draft Fifth Plan proposals of the wro «* 5^ m t »rafr **$m x* m t *f 5*rfa- Punjab Government amounting to Rs. 929.75 1t r SHR! RAM NIWAS MIRDHA : 1 in jail custody as> on 30th November 1973 have with me a statement which shows or who were being prosecuted. Withyouf the total number of hoarders, black- permission, I can lay it on the Table of marketeers and food adulterators who were the House. Statement SI. Name of the Number of psr- Number of per- No. State/Union Territory sons in Jail sons being pro- custody under secuted under Remarks MISA, DIR and DIR and other other Acts Acts 1 2 3 4 1. Andhra Pradesh . 14 696 2. Assam 3 162 3. Haryana 2 133 4. Himachal Pradesh NIL 39 5. Kerala NIL 130 6. Maharashtra 1 1943 7. Manipur . NIL 3 8. Orissa 4 45 9. Punjab NIL 312 10. Tamil Nadu 7 845 11. Tripura NIL 56 12, Uttar Pradesh 7 369 13. Bihar 4 272 14. Gujarat •8 %774 IS. Jammu & Kashmir 5 3 16. Madhya Pradesh 15 896 17. Karnataka Information not received uptill now. 18. Rajasthan -do- -do~ 19. West Bengal —do— —do— 20. Nagaland . NIL NIL 21. Meghalaya NIL NIL ♦8 persons arrested under MISA and released before 30*11-73- %wpto 30**J973, 57 Written Answers CHAITRA, 13 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 3 8 Union Territot) Administrations 1 Andaman & Nicobar . NIL 12 2. Dadra & Nagar Havelt NIL 5 3 Delhi NIL 303 4 Goa, Daman & Dm NIL 63 5 Pondicherry NIL 21 6 Chandigarh NIL 38 7 Lakshadweep NIL NIL 8 Miroram NIL NIL 9 Arunachal Pradcsb NIL NIL (a) According lo the information received so far from \ arious States Governments action against hoarder* black marketeers, etc has not been stopped but is continuing under the laws {b) Information m respect of States of Karnataka, Rajasthan & West Bengal are awaited (t) Information under Col 111 relates onl> to the number of persons in jail custody on a particular date As is ev tdent trom the figures of persons being prosecuted m Col IV, even m respect of States* Union Territories, where ml information »s indicated under Col III action had been taken under the various Acts WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS NlAM) (a) and to the Lt. Governor, Delhi on the 19th ft »»rorr trterli fffmv «wm, *ft *rs£t- October, 1973; and 'ftfasnr 3lrw^, «mrt cpfItt, fzfrot, snrr vt (b) if so, the gist of the demand*, and *prwrmfa»a3*0 *mapftftvrarftnqrTWT^5T |t Government’s reaction thereto? fiqrrt % vimrft ft wtm fat? gr? farvrvf THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS : vt «nw w n 1 (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT) : (a) and (b) : The demands made by the ^ 5S4* Wl JW V I WWW • WT flNUT Lawrence Road Welfare Federation con- *raft wmft ftt vt*r fr» cern several agencies like the DOA. the Dslhi Transport Corporation, the Delhi ( v ) «ptt * m n r v r t o vt fftfrprS Municipal Corporation and the Delhi jrr?r * far fircr* ftrft ft fv»fr Administration A statement containing a Tns^inpr * v ffrn «ir *rtr fptw b 0,0 00 gist of the demands along with the action taken or contemplated is placed on the *r h sfarr ptct farere *n» *552* VHW W*lf : *RT «W ftwrr irrft («d<» lflW Rrtf¥t) (f?) *TjT SPTT% v t f^TT f o . 1 ( v ) n v »fart («) 1* r f t « p t hr'frs v t ?r (irsfteJto') yprft vt vw *tv «pr fft »rf «V 5f«r»r arrsr v t t$i fc i 5%*? ft 3rT»nrr. w h W ft wrf«RqT VT fM ^rr fVUT jt, fWT t»v w rA »rr »nrr vr £ i fvm 5 ^ (w) mr xv fo rit mrfa f t ft ’ w V TTv-’TfT hnrpi vrr RBDDY); (a) No record » available to *hrram/qTtafl**ri fvfti % vrerr vrt ftpr Indicate whether the Postmaster-General, - * v --.^ ■ - (jp) ih7o v *rrfa t o r «r«ft («ft %» v^ppv ^rvt) : (7) r»r»rim * q-sftvr^ it ^ fcrowt % *tpt HifT+fll % %■ Tnp-^TT ftr*n*r iftr wsmrfr wn % . «rtr DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND Minimum Pay in Indian Telephone Industry TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : *565. SHRI NAW AL KISHORE r * (a) ths loss sustained by the engineering SHARMA : Will the Minister of COMMU- industries in West Bengal and Orissa owing NICATIONS be pleased to state : to power shortage in 1973 alone; and (a) whether Government have fixed (b) the steps Government propose to minimum pay of an employee in Indian lake in this regard? Telephone Industry at Rs. 367 per m onth; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (b) if so, whether this fixation of pay is DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND not covered under the recommendations TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRA- of the Third Pay Commission’s Report; MANIAM) : (a). It is not possible to and arrive at a precise assessment of the loss sustained by the engineering industries in (c) if so, the reasons for refixation of West Bengal and Orissa, solely due to pay of employees ? power shortage, as losses are caused to THE MINISTER OF COMMUNICA- industries due to various factors including TIONS (SHRI K. BRAHMANANDA power shortage and also as production REDDY) ; (a) No—The management of figures are not maintained stite-wise. How- the Indian Telephone Industries, Bangalore ever, estimites available with the Govern- have signed an agreement with the represen- ment, of losses largely due to power short- tatives of the workers on the 8th March, age in certain engineering industries, were 1974 fixing the minimum Pay and allowances furnished in reply to Unstarred Question of an employee in the Indian Telephone No. 421 answered in LokSabha on 25-7-73. Industry, Bangalore as Rs. 351 p.m. For The production losses for the subsequent regional offices and other units of the periods have not been worked out so far. company a separate settlement will be negotiated and arrived at. (b) The steps taken by the Ministry of Irrigation and Power, to reduce power (b) No. The Third Pay Commission’s shortage include : report applies only to employees of Central Government. (1) Construction of sanctioned inter- state and inter-regional transmis- (c) The last wage agreement between the sion links is being accelerated to management of Indian Telephone Industries ‘ enable transfer of power from and the workers was terminated on 19-6-1973. surplus areas to neighbouring A fresh agreement was, therefore, deficit areas, so as to ensure necessary between the Management and optimum utilisation of the avail- the workers to regulate the pay and allow- able generating capacity. ances of workers in future. Itido-U.S. Joint Ventures (^2) The projects which are at an advanced stage of construction 5487. SHRI D. B. CHANDRA GOWDA: are being expedited. Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND 3) The progress of civil works is TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : being accelerated wherever possible. (a) whether any agreement has been j 45 Written Answer* CHAITRA 13. 18% (SAKA) Written Answers reacheiunder which U.S.A. will collaborate Sales Tax exemption in Delhi in three large Investment projects with the 54«9. SHRI S. A. MURUGANANTHAM: private sector in. India ; and Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (b) if so, the nature of these projects be pleased to state : and the extent of investment expected ? (a) whether Government propose to advise the Delhi Administration to give THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE exemption from sales tax for the village MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- industries and encourage the artisans MENT (SHRI M. B. RANA) : (a) and engaged in the rural areas; and (b) Presumably the reference is to the statement made by the US Ambassador to (b) if not. the reasons there of ? India as reported in the Economic Times dated the 10th February, 1974. THE DEPUTY MINISTER LN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI I . H. MOHSIN) : Export of Content likely to develop in the future* is also taken into account. 5491. SAROAR SWARAN SINGH SOKHf : Will the Minister of INDUS- (b). Proposals for the manufacture of TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE some consumer goods like electric lamps AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to refer and tyres and tubes which are likely to be in to the reply given to Unstarred Question short supply in future are at various stages No. 1039 on the 27th February, 1974 regard- of progress. ing increase in exports of cement to meet crude import bill and state tbe quantity of Shradhartjaii Programme from VMdb B tw iti cement to be exported per year and F.O.B. price per tonne? 5493. SHRI D. B. CHANDRA GOWDA: Will the Minister of INFORMATION AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE BROADCASTING be pleased to state : MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- LOPMENT (SHRI M. B, RANA) : it is (a) whether on February 19, 1974 at proposed to export 3 lakh tonnes of cement 8.15 p.m. Vividh Bhaiati presented a by the end of December, 1974 and another Shradhanjati programme to pay tribute to 5 lakh tonnes during 1975 to Iran as a part the popular play-back singer Shri Ghantu of bilateral trade negotiations between sata Venkatetwara Rao, who died that India and Iran. The contract regarding the morning, but the authorities could not avoid f.o.b. price per tonne of cement to be ex- commercial advertisements in such a solemn ported to Iran has not yet been signed. programme; and (b) if so, whether Government will review Production of Consumer Goods in Public its rules and amend it by paying respect <1 Sector such a time to maintain dignity and decencj ? 5492- SHRI S. A. MURUGA- NANTHAM : Will the Minister of INDUS- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION AND AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : BROADCASTING (SHRI DHARAM BIR SINHA) : (a) and (b) : On llth February 1974, the day on which Shri Rao passed, (a) whether Government have decided away, the “Janaranjani" programme of to start production of consumer goods on Hydcrabad-Vijay&wada Centres of Com* a large scale in the public sector under- merciat Broadcasting Service from 8.15 p.m. takings; and to 9.00 p.m. was confined to late Shri Rao’s recorded songs, The programme of (b) if so. the facts thereof? recorded music based on listeners* choice was repeated from the Vijayawada Centre THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL on 12-2-1974. This programme was not DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND a special Shradhanjaii programme In TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRA- memory of the late Shri Rao. However MANIAM) : (a) In formulating projects appropriate instructions are being issued in the public sector, the need for stepping to avoid such broadcasts on the commercial up production of mass consumption goods, service in tl’e event of demise ot in which significant production gaps are distinguished artists. 49 Written Answers CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 50 Offer by U.N.D.P. to C.S.LR. for supplying uvggfor # fwrvtnrt frnfavf f t fci* ex|Mrti and equipment for designing f t mwimit Construction of Houses on Mass Scale. s 44t». wrw iur stftra : w t w r 5494 SHRI GAJADHAR MAJHl. Will sptr tm ct*t fr *ns*r 'snrsr %• tt the Minister of SCIbNCE AND TECH- v n fm * *rror (a) whether UNDP has come forwaid iranra # ( ft t^oi^s« fttfw *) to assist the Council of Scientific and *rrsRT r nw vp& #“ 24 i6 Industrial Research with expert? and equip* mcnt for designing construction of house* %rw ?TT T O «fIfTT f t *1$ f T’pg on a mass scale, and ~Ff eqfmr r *tm fc» (b) if so the reaction of Government of wram M srr mt** ifrmu stmfm India thereto ’ % fatr «mi atfr m m r j it t wi w fr tr THL MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL ->497 sit nnwy^ tfrfara wr ^5 DLVLLOPMFNI AND SCiLNCi AND q? sh r «rr rn r«T fr . 1 1 CHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRAMA- NIAM) (*1 w w rfw i rr Tf7^ (a) No. Sir TmfwpT W fa* *TOT 5TTST H rWT* * %*?TT*T ’TTfTT n ** T7 *prm fnrr f , vftr (b) Does not arise (»a) vU ^re *r 7 *r t t irrvrc f t srfa- Scheme of Kerala Government to Assist h m t '* Malayatam Film Industry wroro s (b) Does not arise. (v) ^TT*r^IT*t t» 7 1- 7^o k 1^72- 7J Written Answers APRIL 3. 1»74 Written % A th is mrsmftv *rf % * waft m tihfflm 1kmm 4mm t twr # {# T?rr ?nrnrT $ ; ; (v) ifhc (ap) fqr *nw snrw vr t t o v r r a v m terms of settlement were reached and the striking employees reported for duty on *> so Hfwm % ?fr v * fftff? srwrrf fro r tot £ ; 7th March, 1974 (A.N.) after an absence sta of 36 days. One of the terms of settlement is that a committee would be set up to (*r) t o stw vr g?r# % look into the whole organisation of tbe cppflnT ffHSte w»rr6 vr% v f*r$ f t v t t % vw Orih Kalyan Kendra with a view to com- utfwiit *ft $ ? plete overhauling of its working so as to 53 Written Answers CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 54 ensure that : be pleased to state : («) the organisation meets the fell- (a) how long it will take to complete the needs of Government employees telephone link between Sidhi and Waidhan and their families particularly the in M.P.; and poorer ones; (b) by when the telephone facility shall (ii) Government funds are properly be available to the N. C. D. C. coal fields utilised; in Singrauli colliery? (iii) the Kendra undertakes, as far as possible, productive and gainful THL MINISTER OF STATE IN THE activities; MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (PROF. SHKR SINGH) : (a) Telephone (iv) the hours of work, pay scales for link between Sidhi and Waidhan in whole-time staff and other condi- Madhya Pradesh is likely to be pro- tion* are reasonably related to the vided in 1974-75. actual work assigned to each class of employees; and (b) Telephone facility to N.C.D.C. coal fields in Singrauli Colliery has been (v) proper work norms are prescribed provided on 25-3-1974. for different categories of workers. The Committee will consist of the follow- Post Offices in Rajasthan with Facilities to ing ; operate Savings Bank Accounts <») Joint Secretary. Ministry of Finance. 5503. SHRI BISHW'ANATH JHUN- (Financial Adviser, Home & Person- JHUNWALA: Will the Minister of COM- nel Division)-... Chairman MUNICATIONS be pleased to state : (ii) a Joint Secretary from the Depart- (a) the total number of post offices now ment of Social Welfare. functioning in Rajasthan; (iii) a Joint Secretary from the Ministry (b) how. many out of these have facilities of Labour. to operate savings bank accounts; (iv) Joint Secretary (Estt.) from the De- tc) how the figure compares with the partment of Personnel & Admn. States of U.P.. Maharashtra, West Bengal, Reforms. (Personnel) Punjab and Haryana and the area covered (b) 7484 incident occurred on 6th March, 1974 <«) and not on the 7th. In this case the cul- prits have been arrested and ease properly ^Total No. Total No. Average recovered. of P. Os of P Os area functioning which have covered (b) Patrolling has been intensified in here facilities to these areas. Policemen in Plain clothes operate ha\e also been deployed* SB accounts (c) Figures of crime registered in the U. P. 14290 14098 20 2 sq. km first two months of 1974 showed a decline Maharashtra 9470 9387 32 5 sq. km as compared to the figures of the corres- ponding period of the preceding jear W. Bengal 6422 6419 16 3 sq km Punjab St qt* star % iw£ wwwt tfa m Haryana 7150 7097 17.8 sq. km flwro Rajasthan 7484 7484 46 0 sq km 5506. til* WTTo ftrfuWT : (d) During the Fifth Plan period no Statewise target has yet been fixed for open- ing of new Post Offices. But the polit} is to vest SB powers at the time of opening (ar ) fJTT *TE*T Stifar C ITf V*t WT of B. O At present about 99% of BOs t f *rtfa«F fr «fwt— a fw t, fw », are vested with SB powers *:*n sfr- huM tt fw t frsrt*nf»rr Robbing of sigbt~scers at Kutab Minar farm r fa t wrwrft w «rr wif 5504 SHRI BISHWANATII JHUN- tit JHUNWALA ( * ) *rfc ft, m t i ( i w WT & ’ SHRI MOHINDFR SINGH GTI L Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS fw w nwmtr ^ {tit be pleased to state frrarm wwiti):(*) ti\r (w) sft.gn 2. tit tfr?** gwfw am r «wf (^ ) *«nfe*re f^tniT ^ p ft ^ s r v fe * finMpnwr dfOwta wnpi aTTR ^ *TWTT fUT *ffSRT tt *, Xfrr. 5S 07. wfowft tit* URo fafaWT : wt #1TT »r?fr *n[ w?r^ prr ftr: («sr) v * w r if w w «m snrfir (fr) *tpt sptpt % fir? ?r Terr sr%?r %• t ? Jnrc saror w w #rf»H ^mpr * *r ^PiT iftr vmvn v! w h A *T*T WT* Xtrrrq spr f a n % ; («rta*Wbcft»^): (x ) vfa. («i). 2S-2-1974 ( * ) fa r tit ^ppn- v t M "toft sirr % »ani^a[T % Vfs^it tit sif¥i 5 Pfstwrt fCTwr % t * («P) apTT *R^TT * 1 {W R wnftWC ?WT rfwr* * * w r j m v i n f t (srt« w t fw f) : sr^sr w i % f a #9 ^titt ^>rr ** Ztfttift frr% tit «srarwr vttth r r |, srfk (▼) fin ifrc ^Nt t 3m % f*r*f tnir fvshvsr *rfvr i vn ft, 1073 % ^ f?WT w t 1 («■) srf% Ft, Ift ?I??Nrst ^eq- WT | ? (m) tfht (it), tnir f o ftiw ^ r wwrc H'atwn n tnw «reft (a^* fir fwg) : tit w*n* % im srtw * ftm ftr t»t% «rr*r-*n* (v) (« ). **Tftre7 % ’Rwrr % % Bit mref z m sr^wr *r *zt*t f ^ ^rrnFfrr Tnrf^nr ^t^Rrr vrrt «ftr irm-*TW % titZ u$rf *r *r* *r for «t$ # qt«nfir zmnrr % ?Vt r trt $ft ^ *rw f*rct w ftw r * **r St *mrt ^n?ft f \ ?t nr% tit p o t ^ f mrffrre vt vnX % ^ »*!¥ v yRwiwreri w irnrtr, v r ^ t 4*m * wmswm vtvnrr fmft fwvmift # *» nfyW 3. Brtrciw- ssio . tsftyw w** wwrwr: «ptt dkftfiw fiwsm«rcfr*?r«rcT%#f*T¥*ii % *rm (* n fm nrrarsw (tpt **pft tn%vr %*r#r) f%TT% wmmr (*p) tnrR ^ ^r^nr fr?Fft w wfa-Tfar 4 •THhnr fW fTf^**yr «nft f*nRT, VTfT sryt l^nrr tot $ 1 ffr vfvCTP^r w r r f*r# $ w?r *rnFR % frosrcr ( v i m fW vr % , wte *pfta) («r) TO I 97 <*7-1 % *frrVT -&Ff fasft T ftwl 'r w p fnisft ^ fro®# «jf ifenvra * w foft oqm o *ft|rfwr); Recording fry D. G. T. D.of Conditions (*) *rtr (sr) fwn«ftr?r^mT?ft ttfl? for allowing Diversification WPT I? This was a general decision and ii was 5515. SHRI M. KATHAMUTHU : made applicable in all cases which fulfilled WiU the Minister of PLANNING be the above conditions. The decision of pleased to state : the Licensing Committee was based on (a) whether employment growth rate in the provisions of Sect ion M A read with the organized sector has increased in 1972-73 Section 3 «ld) of ihe 1. D. R. Act. as compared to the previous year ; and 7 LSS/74— 3. 63 Written Answers APRIL 3, 1574 Written Answn (b) if so, the actual figures Suite-wise? " THE MINISTER OF STATK IN THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI 19. Tripura . . 103.1 106.2 MOHAN DHARIA) : (a ) Yes, Sir. The 20. Uttar Pradesh . 100.4 105.3 employment growth rate in the organised 21. West Bengal . 100.9 103.1 sector has increased from 102.8 percent in 1971-72 to 104.1 per cent in 1972-73. B. Unbn Territoties: (b) State-wise figures of growth rate in 1. Andaman A 1971-72 and 1972-73 are given in the Nicobar Islands t t enclosed statement. 2. Arunachal St a t ement Pradesh t t Statement Showing Percentage Growth 3. Chandigarh . 107.6 97.2 Rate in Organised Sector in 1971-72 and 1972-73 4. Dadra &. Nagar Haveli . t 1 SI. States/Union Percentage Growth 5. Delhi . . 102.4 101.3 No. Territories Rate 6. Goa, Daman & 1971-72 1972 73 Diu . . 106.1 106.0 3 4 7. Lakashdweep . * t 8. Mssoram . N.A. £ A. States 9. Pondicherry . 107.2 112.5 1. Andhra Pradesh 105.8 103.5 2. Assam 105.0* 100.8 All Indian Total 102.8 104.1 3. Bihar 101.2 106.4 4. Gujarat . 104.2 105.5 ♦The figures have been worked out on the basis of Composite State of Assam 5. Haryana . 109.1 106.5 including Meghalaya. 6. Himachal Pradesh 113 4 104.7 %Employment figures in respect of this 7. Jammu and State repeated since Dec., 71 and excluded Kashmir . 107.9 in 1973 owing to non receipt of data. 104.8 8. Karnataka 103.9 ft As indicated in the above note, figures ♦. Kerala 105.3 103.2 for Meghalaya are included in Assam. 105 4 10. Madhya Pradesh 105 3 ••This State has been incuded ia All 11. Maharashtra 100.7 104.7 India Employment Estimates from March* 12. Manipur * 105.7?; n.a.% 1973. 13. Meghalaya £ 100.1 tNof covered under the EMI Programme. 14. Nagaland t t {Information not received regularly. 15. Orissa 103.3 102.1 Modernisation of Coir Industr f 16. Punjab 104.3 105.3 17. Rajasthan 105.0 105.0 5516. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY s IE. Tamil Nadu 102.3 101.8 Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL *5 WHUm Amy,m CHAITRA 13, i m (SAKA) A„ncn M development a n d s c ie n c e a n d dciston to permit establishment of export TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : oriented mechanised units for the manu- facture of Powrtloom Creel Mats, Japan (») whether there is possibility of securing Mats, Car Mats and other related products technical know-how from the European at selected places. No decision has yet Economic Community with a view to modernising our Coir Industry ; and been taken by the Government on these recommendations (b) If so, the facts thereof* Telecommunication Industries in West THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Bengal MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL 5518. SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY : DEVELOPMENT (SHRI Z1AUR RAH- Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS MAN ANSARI) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. be pleased to state : Tbe Intergovernmental Group on hard fibres under FAO recommended to conduct (a) whether Government have received *a Coir Promotion Survey’ to provide request from State Government of West Coir Exporting countries of Asia with Bengal to have more telecommunication adequate economic technological and industries; and commercial information in regard to market for Coir products. It is expected that (b) if so, the facts thereof and the decision survey will be conducted m India soon and thereon? on its recommendations there is a possi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE bility of securing technical know-how from MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS the FEC for modernisation of the Coir (PROF. SHER SINGH) . (a) Yes. Industry in India. (b) The Govt of West Bengal had Mechanisation of Coir Industry offered to provide land and other infra- structure facilities. The request of the 5517. SHRI Y. ESWARA RLDDY : Govt of West Bengal will be kept in view Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL while considering the location of the new mVELOPMLNT AND SCIENCI AND units of Indian Telephone Industries Ltd. TECHNOLOGY be pleased to Mate : to be set up during the Fifth Five Year Plan penod. (a) whether the report of the Committee set up to study the prospects of mechanising Shortage of Soda Ash io Glass Industry the coir inudstrv has been received ; and 5519 SHRI Y. ESWARA REDDY : (b) if so, the recommendation'* thereof the Minister of INDUSTRIAL and the reaction of Government thereto0 OF VELOPMfcNT AND SCIENCE AND 11 CHNOLOGY be pleased to state : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THF MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL (a) whether glass and glassware units DhVfeLOPM ENT (SHRI ZIAUR are short of soda ash, and RAHMAN ANSARI): (a) Yes, Sir. (b) if so, the reasons and facts thereof ? (b) The Working Group set up for study* THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE mg the prospects of meaehantsed coir MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL units have recommended for a policy DEVELOPMENT (SHRI M. B RANA) : 67 Written 'Answers I APRIL 3, 1974) Written Answers 68 (a) and (b). The annual requiremeni o£ (it) *rf* W 11^ # «RT soda ash by the glass industry is about ^ wy fr ? 80,000 tonnes, all of dense variety. In view of the overall shortage of soda ash in the --- * ■-- country, the glass industry is not getting « * * « (m VA- its fuil requirements of. this material from SUPPr indigenous sources. The shortage is being fa OTf? tf SFrf^fflRTT made 8ood by imports through S.T.C. ^ ^ ^ j i W IW ^ W t ; n ^ _. , , ___ m * rv ; ft i *rw srtftr ?f w tfrrwift 5520- XT© wflWW* IWfa : I; gr»i, ^ 5Tif?nTf, ^ (^) jrf? cfr w trftwr I? 15^(sft rr^o 5525. «ft IT# ^ (q ) HXTTX W m w ^ ^ ^ ; W 5fT I JfT'^ wm? ?TWT % T'< (5fr) WT % 1 1 ^ it ^ srrcrift I ^ ^ q r % ^rtnT^T 70 |T ’ra I ; %'Liit of Plannuig Coniniission Oflitial to Punjab Agricultural University on Optimum use of Fertilisers (w) w wysm r# wtfWTl® A gf afr; 5524. SHRI SATYENDRA NARAYAN (jt ) w t W7T SINHA; Will the Minister of PLANNING t w w I; be pleased to state: ( ^ ) ’sfTftift 5^iTraf% ^"t% (a) whether a Planning Commission official had visited the Punjab Agricultural foTTT ^< + rr gTTT w r sr^^rrfky jftw^rr ^ University and discussed possibilities of making optimum use of fertilisers ; and (b) if so, the facts thereof ? 15IT3T5R fT («ft q'So q^o THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (^) ^ 1974 *T ^ ^ MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI if % 73 ^ ^ Written APRIL 3, 1974 Written Answers 72 tf tf i tfft % «rt m»r% tnf fair *nt $ ifrc fiwtf w ffrwn « M Forriga Nationals Working in Public and $ Surre> of Engineering Industry in West Bengal (v ) fT, ?rtfw^pr«rtrr w fc ’ SS3S SHRISAKTI KUMAR SARKAR row svnwiait, vfopfa* waft mr Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- ttafwi «Wt ffrro nhft) : (w) VELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND (« ). wtffirfr s* vrofht TECHNOLOGY be pleased to stcte ; ft sn«*r vt* % faq w&ft * (a) whether anv institution made an) fiwns ipn viA irt suivey m West Bengal about the snuul iwrarfirfc*#wrfo* scale engineering industry in Howrah in frrfowfrc %»rr, n*t «n: * the nftecs. 75 Written Answers Al>Rll. 3, 1974 Wrilten A nsner.s 76 (b) if so, whether his Ministry has taken be pleased to state : any note of this survey as this industry is (a) the sectoral allocation in the year export oriented; and 1974-75 for the development of tribal areas of the country on the whole; and (c) whether Government will place the (b) the allocation made for the tribal report of the survey on the Table? and hilly areas outside the State plans of THE PUr>^ MINISTER IN THE the States in Fifth Plan ? MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI A NSA RI): (a) to (c). Inform ation is F. H. MOHSIN) ; (a) The major thrust to being collected and will be laid on the the Development of Backward Classes inclu- Table of the House. ding tribal areas will come from the Sectoral Programmes. The extent to which Outlay for the Annual Plan for 1974-75 the outlays for them would flow from difTerent Sectors is not yet available. The 5536. SH RI B. V. N AIK : Will the Planning Commission has made financial Minister of PLANNING be pleased to allocations for 1974-75 under various state : sectors and communicated to State Govern- ments. The outlays approved under the (a) whether the budgetary outlay for the Development of Backward Classes Sector first year of the Fifth Five Year Plan fits for different States and Union Territories into the total outlay of the plan; are as indicated below :— (b) if so, what percentage of the total (Rs. in lakhs) outlay it represents; and States . . . . 2465.00 (c) whether shortfalls, if any, could Union Territories . . 84.00 not be made up during the remaining Total : . 2549.00 period of the Fifth Plan? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) As envisaged in the Draft Fifth MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MO- Five-Year Plan, a special fund of Rs. HAN DHARIA) : (a) Yes, Sir. 500.00 crores has been provided for the development of Hill and Tribal areas. This amount would be in addition to the outlay (b) and (c). The outlay proposed for the that would How from different sectoral public sector in the 1974-75 annual plan I*' programmei as the share of tribal areas. is about 13 percent of the total outlay for the Fifth Five Year Plan. Since budge- Setting up of a Paper Mill at Jeypore, tary outlays generally increase from year Orissa to year during a Plan period, it should be 11 possible to achieve the total outlay over the 5538. SHRI G IR ID H A R GOM ANGO : entire period. Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- VELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : Allocation for Development of Tribal Areas (a) whether his ministry received the 5537. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO ; proposal to establish Paper Mill at Jeypore Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS jn ths District of Koraput, Orissa; 77 Written ^nswers CHAITRA 13, 1S96 {SAKA) Written Answers 78 (b) th; pr;9a;it stagj of tlie mill; and ta'-r ?rra>r ? m w tfRiTRf % (c) whather the mill will be started by the ^ I ; ?ftT Government of Orissa? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (W) irf? ^f, ^ ^!?T I ? MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- LOPMENT (SHRI M. B. RANA) : (a) to (c). M/s. Orissa Paper Mills Co. Ltd., SUT^h: f?Tf) : ( ^ ) ( ’j ) . d W t ^ ?TTlft^ have been granted a Letter of Intent for ^ im T R R I* % rJTO ^Tlfdwf % W^wnTFff % setting up of a new unit in Koraput Dis- ?R£r fwrPcw ^ I I ?iPTt»T w trict, Orissa for manufacture of 60,000 sir % fSTO snfes: ^fr ^r sc G-sr t snNrtr | sfli: tonnes per annum of writing and printing fiprfircf ^<'m O +*i^iO ^arfa^nr paper. They are at present negotiating the indigenous machinery manufacturers ff % ?nTr>ra sn% i for obtaining plant & machinery. Quo- tations have bsen made by the machinery • % mtR mfeKT % WT^rrFn manufacturers recently and the same are ^ ^r?Tr % ^ H ?rraY»r ^ under examination of the party. The Tt % Pmiff ^ Ttwffr ^ scheme is proposed to be implemented in the ^>TT 2fT, fR - ?nfeOT irf^TlTT % private sector. ^ TT % ?STO m fewf % ^ w WT ^jqifefT ^ffT si'Ti ^ ^ fe n w r 1 ^ ^ ^ fttfrt srro I, ?HT?) ^ fw T ir^ ?mt£r 5 5 39. : ¥TT *1# If? fw I f% qx JTPm # Wferf Pm 5mr% # ; ^ ^ TT ^ ^ ^ ^ I jjpm ^ (^ ) W ^ fe'^fuT^i sT'sfr srra ?Tff | f I I % 5IW ^ % ^n' I ; 3Tk Re-building of property damaged during (’a) Jrfe ffr ^ w | recent Agitation In Gujarat ^ W ^ f t ? 5541. SHRI P. M. MEHTA : Will the TTHj Hsft (5fto ^ f ^ ) ; Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased sfk (*?). ^ to state : fr ?T ^ 51^ 13ft ^ ^ ^ ^ I (a) wliether properly worth Rs. 2.5 ^ ?STFif ^ ^TWT crores were damaged in the Gujarat ^ 'M r ^rrat I I State during the recent agitation upto the % tirn: ^'nt % 7th March, 1974; WA f^TTR ^ ^ ?T^fsRT I (b) whether the properly was Government property and Central Government property too; % 'n. vTT’T 5 5 40. smT^T (c) whether it will require large sums to re-build this property; and w r % +-ii'+i jrrfesT ^ (d) to what extent this will affect the ftrif ^<+K % TTT^ srrar | , exchequer? Written Any urn APRIL 3. 1974 Written Answers 80 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE THI MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) to (d). Infor- LOPMENT (SHRI M. B, RANA) : (a) mation is being collected from the State to (d). In considering licence applications, Government and will be laid on the Table Government take into account factors or the House. such as the suitability of the location, the existing capacity and the projected tafrt (*n*r ufo) % tjwr gnrr demand for the item proposed to be ma- ftww ft ’•taf nufactured; the capacity of the plant to be installed with reference to the availa- 5542 w*rf ■ fsrr fa m tft* bility of raw material both indigenous *15 vanA i^tt vt*!’ : and imported; availability of power, water (w) •R' 1TOTT % CTTPT * IT? ¥PT «nr$ t fa and transport; the need for and the (*rtar spur) % rnp gn r, inwrsFT % terms of foreign collaboration that should b: permitted for the proposed ftRT % tftr 3? industry after taking into account available indigenousknow-bow. Every atte- («r) *rfe i?t, m ?**% *ra«r * fwwmr mpt is also made to give preference to schemes which involve employment of large personnel both technical and non- ..A v» ...... _. ^ ..... -A vr« *. VroiMiV T ffm WT IWHW V u *mm*WT technical and due consideration is given to *37 («ft wto gwgcrwra): (*) aft ?r^T i the availability or suitable manpower (*ST) SPPT »I?it I Reversion of I.A.S. Officers to State Factors Responsible for Issue of Licences Governments to Entrepreneurs 5544 SHRI K. RAMKR1SHNA R t- 5543. SHRI M S PURTY • Will the DDY: Will the PRIME MINIS'! £R be Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- pleased to state : MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- LOGY be pleased to state : (a) whether many IAS officers are not being reverted to the State Governments (a) whether before issuing licenccs lo after expiry of their terms, entrepreneurs, both the Government and the Controller of Capital Issue* take into (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and consideration the factors such as produc- tion capacity, demand, collaboration agree- (c) whether instructions are being issued ment, power, water, finance and raw to various Ministries to curb extensions to materia! availabi'ity; IAS officers? fb ) if h o , whether Government do not THE MINISTI R OF STATE IN THI consider the factor of manpower; MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS AND IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PERSON- (c) whether the availability oi proper NEL (SHRI RAM NIWAS MIRDHA); (a) manpower is a basic necessity for the to (c). Officers of diffreent Services including success of any enterprise; and those belonging to the Indian Adminis- (d) if so, the steps Government propose trative Service are reverted to their parent to take in this regard? cadres on the expiry of their norma) period 61 Written Answers CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 82 of deputation In exceptional cases, how- THE PRTME MINISTER, MINISTER ever, where the public interest so demands, O r ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF the tenure of an individual officer may be ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER OF extended after due consideration of the case SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI): by the Centr? I Establishment Board/Senior (a) The increase m the sale price of T.V. Selection Board and with the concurrence sets m January-February, 1974, has been of the cadre authorities concerned. There of the order of Rs 2 50 per set. are already instructions to thts effect. In- dividual Ministries/Departments are not (b) There is at present no statutory competent to grant such extensions on control on the price of TV sets. It may, however, be pointed out that the above their own. increase has been due to the general in- crease in prices of most components, both Increase in Price of Refrigerators indigenous and imported, which are used 5545 SHRI R N. BARMAN : Will in the manufacture of T V. Receivers. In the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVE- addition, the price of the picture tube which LOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND is manufactured at Bharat Electronics, TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : Bangalore, has gone up by Rs. 140 per tube due to a change m the categorisation (a) the am 7ant of increase m the sale in regard to the levy of Customs Duty price of Refrigerators in the month of on the import of the Glass Bulb. This January-February, 1974; and has significant!* contributed to the over-all (b) the basis for allowing increase m the increase in pric*; of the T V Receivers. price? Allocation, to States for 1974-75 THE MINISTER OF ST AT f IN THt 5547 SHRI R N BARMAN : Will the MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DIVE- Minister of PLANNING be pleased to LOPMENT (SHRI M B. RANA): (a) state: According to the information available with the Government one manufactmer in- (Rs. Crores) Meghalaya, Nagaland, Ladakh District in lammu & Kashmir^ and Lahaul and Kinnaur Districts 4. G ujrat . . 32.17 in Himachal Pradesh; 5. Haryana . . 15.99 (ii) 50 per cent grant and 50 per cent 6. Himachal Pradesh , 22.35 loan—Hill district of U.P. (exclud- 7. Jammu & Kashmir . 30.21 ing Nainital and Dehra Dun), 8. K arnataka . . 35.46 Nilgiris District in Tamil Nadu 9. K erala . . 35.72 and Darjeeling District in West 10. Madhya Pradesh . 53.32 Bengal. 11., Maharashtra . . 49.98 The variations in the loan and grant 12. M anipur . . 7.52 components of Central assistance for 1974- 13. Meghalaya . . 8.85- 75 to various States arise mainly from the . 7.12 14. N agaland . differences in the amounts of Central 15. Orissa . . 32.70 assistance which are being released for the 16. Punjab . . 20.64 Plans of individual States, which, in turn, 17. Rajasthan . . 45.06 have been determined on the basis of the 18. Tam il N adu . . 41.15 overall availability of Central resources and 19. Tripura . . 7.61 the formula for the allocation of Central 20. Uttar Pradesh . . 106.89 assistance adopted for the Fourth Plan 21. West Bengal . . 44.91 period. 22. Unallocated for Hill & Tribal Areas . . 25.00 Central Assistance to States During 1974-75 All States . ■ 780.15 5548. SHRl E. V. VIKHE PATIL : (b) and (c). Pending a decision by the National Development Council on the SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: principles of allocation and pattern of Central assistance for States Plans for the Will the Minister of PLANNING be Fifth Plan period, for the year 1974-75 pleased to state : States have tentatively been allocated the (a) the basis on which the Central assis- same amount of Central assistance as was tance to the States has been given in the given to them for their 1973-74 Plans. first year of the Fifth Five Year Plan; Further, an additional provision of Rs. 25 -crores has been made for hill and tribal (b) whether any form ula has bee^i fina- areas. lised for Central assistance to States; According to tentative arrangements, the (c) if not, the reasons therefor; and Central assistance is expected to be gene- (d) the impact of the existing formula rally in the form of 70 per cent loan and of Central assistance to States has made 30 per cent grant except in the case of hill on per capita income of States ? areas for which a larger component of grant in the Central assistance due on ac- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE count of expenditure in these areas, will be MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI available as in the Fourth Plan. In this M OHAN D H A R IA ); (a) to (c). The prin- connection, the pattern adopted in the ciples and criteria which will govern the Fourth Plan for these areas was as follows: allocation of Central assistance to States in (i) 90 per cent grant and 10 per cent the Fifth Plan period are proposed to be loan—Hill areas of Assam, placed before the National Development Vised 85 Writlen Answers CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 86 Council for consideration and decision. given to Unstarred Question No. 2492, on Pending such decision, the Central assis- the 28th November, 1973 regarding Sick tance for the Annual Plan 1974-75 has Industrial Units in West Bengal and state: been tentatively determined at the level of the Central assistance for 1973-74 uniform- (a) the recommendations of the Report ly for all States. of the Special Group set up to go into the problems affecting sick engineering units (d) Central assistance forms a significant including those in West Bengal; element of State sector plan expenditure and it has contributed to the growth of per (b) whether Government are considering capita income of States particularly those to set up any Special Group to go into of the less developed States. Substantial the functions of various undertakings in Central assistance was allocated to develop- the country about which several complaints ed States in the Fourth Plan on the basis have been made by the Public as well as of the criteria of ‘population size’, ‘per in this House; and capita income below the national average’ and ‘special problems of States’. A d hoc allocations outside the formula governing (c) if so, the remedies thereof ? the allocation of Central assistance to States in the Fourth Plan period were made to Assam, Jammu & Kashmir and Naga- land keeping in view their special econo- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE mic backwardness. MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- LOPMENT (SHRI M. B. RANA): (a) The main recommendations of the Special Delay in Finalisation of Fifth Plan Group are briefly as follows:— 5549. SHRI E. V. VIKHE PATIL : Will the Minister of PLANNING be pleased (i) Early identification of cases of to state : incipient sickness, so as to avoid (a) whether no meeting of the Planning closure and serious cases of sick- Commission lias been held for the last three ness is essential. While the pri- months; mary responsibilities in this regard rest with the unit itself, banks, (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and finar.cial institutions, industrial (c) whether it has delayed the preparation associations etc. should also deve- and finalisation of the Fifth Five Year lop systems to monitor incipient W P lan ? sickness. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (ii) The lole of the Industrial Recons- MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI truction Corporation of India, and MOHAN DHARIA): (a) No, Sir. Meetings development of necessary expertise have been held whenever required. to meet changing needs should be (b) and fc). Do not arise. reviewed from time to time. Report of Special Group on Sick Engineer- (iii) Healthy units should be encourag- ing Units ed to help in the revival of sick 5550. SHRI JHARKHANDE RAI: Wilt units, and wherever possible the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DEVELOP- rationalisation and mergers should MENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNO- be encouraged to secure economic LOGY be pleased to refer to the reply viability. #7 Written Answer* APRIL 3, 1974 Written Answers «9 (iv) It noods to be reiterated that an THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE essential remedy is to assure Indus* MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS trial units the process of growth bo (SHRI F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes. Sin as to cover and absorb rising costs as well as sustain technological (b) As recommended by the Government development. of Punjab, orders, have been issued for terminating the services of these officers (v) In regard to closed units Government under rule 12 of the I.P.S. (Probation) may consider initiating enquiry Rules, 1954. to the extent practicable in order r n m n w t g l im fwfcrft w roft % that an appropriate revival efforts is made even where references/ wnr*i applications for assistance arc not 5552. wpfinvnw tfwv forthcoming. *r?ft *qrr fr ; »pr action by way of enquiry, and, if necessary, takeover is suggested. This should be considered as Mast (w) wrrffofr % f3*rrr vnhm resort’ action. vr *r?r% qpr ift $ »ii) Government action to avoid vnfv farr fSroffaT *ft**rrr fluctuations in demand 'orders I , tfo through improved planning is essential. (n) WPr vrfcw vr im * v t t JTRT ^-^ifrfVcfl tit Orafar % frfiT fur KIWI (a) whether Government's attention jt» nf wt t *nfr spfor tfuft i has been drawn to the news item on 5th January . 1974 under the heading (»t) ‘IPS officers caught in midst of orgy’ in a local daily; and (b) if so. the action taken against the 5553. * V IW officers? titit *3 im* fn ^ fr : 89 Written Answers CHA1TRA 13, 1896 ‘ 'AKA) Written Answers 90 (« ) w ft vmY^hr w r , *rf (t>) tf so h >w O j TD was able to detect * w % fW itfm wtom fti * >ret«r tliat some new items whose manufacture had been taken under diversification have been included m the production returns («*) f*r wtff *rn: (o) the decisions taken by Government (d) the remedial measures taken, if any? in the light thereof to help planned develop- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ment of small scale industries? MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) to (d). There MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL has been no sharp increase in the incidence DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR of wrong numbers, cross connections, bills RAHM AN ANSARI) : (a) Yes, Sir. out of proportion, dead lines in the Cal- cutta Telehone System. (b) Major recommendations of the seminar include ; A number of problems exist at Calcutta (i) Greater emphasis be given to the which adversly affect the working of the House-hold sector; Telephone System there.- In the past few months there has been power shedding on (ii) Present definition of small scale a large scale in the various areas of Cal- industries based exclusively on capital cutta City. These power sheddings affect assets be revised and emphasis be the working of the telephone exchange given to essential consumption items; equipment as during failure of power supply (iii) Subsidies to small scale sector should the air-conditioning plant remains inopera- take a subordinate place to reser- tive and dust laden air gets ingress into the vation of items; equipment rooms. Normal maintenance work also gets hampered during period (iv) Present procedure for granting credit of power shedding. needs to be streamlined and simpli- fied; Due to large scale digging of roads by (v) In establishment of small units in various agencies in the Calcutta City, the backward legions care be to taken to underground cables of Calcutta Telehones ensure that they make fullest use of have on many occasions suffered deniages locally available raw materials. by the working parties. The working of the Telephone system is also suffering due (c) Final report of the seminar has not to numerous thefts of the underground yet been submitted to Government. cables. Functioning of Calcutta Telephones Steps are being taken to ensure uninter- 5557. SHRI IN DRA JIT GUPTA ; Will rupted supply of power to the telephone the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS exchanges and this matter has been taken be pleased to state : up with the State Government. Special (a) whether he is aware that the incidence liasion is being established with the Cal- of wrong numbers, cross connections, bills cutta Metropolitan Development Authority out of proportion to the actual number to safeguard damage to cables during of calls, “dead” lines, has sharply increased digging operations. in the Calcutta tepephone system; Spares in adequate quantities have been (b) if so, the reasons for this deteriora- supplied. Recently Minister of Communi- tion ; cations along with senior officers of P & T (c) whether a major contributory factor had visited Calcutta ai\d a special is non-airconditioning of the telephone programme has been drawn up for further eKChanges and inadequate supply of spares; improving the working ol 'li.’ Calcutta and Telephone System. , , 93 Written Answers CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 94 ?.y«*r Ptao Submitted by M/s. PMWps and Number of underground Nagas Co., for Development of Electronics 5559. SHRI SHANKER RAO SAVANT: 5558. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Will Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS ihe Minister of ELECTRONICS be pleased be pleased to state: to state: (a) the approximate number of Nagas (a) whether M/s. Phillips & Co. had working underground and those taking submitted a 7-year Plan for development training in Guerilla warfare in China; and of Electronics projects to Government for approval; (b) the number of officers and citizens killed by the Rebel Nagas during 1971-72 (b) if so, whether the same has been and 1972-73 approved; THE DFPUTY MINTSTFR IN THE (c) whether any of the proposed pro- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS jects will be located in West Bengal; and (SHRI F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) According to information available with Government (d) whether the projects will be in the there are about 1700 Nagas underground private or public sector? at present. Government have no infor- mation of any underground Nagas taking THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER training in guerilla warfare in China. OF ATOMIC ENERGY. MINISTER OF TLFCTRONICS, AND MINISTER OF (b) Naga rebels killed 23 officers and SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) 6 citizens during 1971-72 and 6 officers (a) to (d). M'S. Phillips & Co. have sub- and ^ citi/ens during 1972-73 mitted in 1973 a 7-Year Plan to a Negotiat- Charges of Corruption against Officers ing Team constituting by the Department of All India Services of Fksctronics in consultation with the Ministry of Industrial Development. The 5560. SHRI SHANKER RAO SAVANT Man outlines broadly the protects which Will the PRIME MINISTER be pleased that Company propose to take up during to state : the next 7-year period. The Negotiating (a) how many officers belonging to the Team submitted its report m June, 1973, All India Sen ices (like I. A. S ) were found and, subsequently, the Department of guilty of negligence of duty or corruption Electronic* has held extensive discussions in 1971-72, 1972-73 and 1973-74, with M/s. Phillips A Co. regarding the specific projects that they could take up in (b) in how many cases departmental the near future. Broadly these have been action was taken and in how many cases identified as dither areas of high technology criminal prosecution were launched and in Electronics and Telecommunications or the results thereof, and items for which there is a substantial export (c> how many cases are still pending? potential. Based on these discussions the Company has been advised to file applica- THE MINISTER OF STATE tions for specific projects to b e considered by IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME Government. Tbe question of the exact AFFAIRS AND IN THF DEPART- location of the projects as well as the pat- MENT OF PERSONNEL (SHRI tern of implementation are, therefore, not RAM NIWAS MIRDHA): (a) to (c). yet d e c k le d . The information as to the number of officers 1 LSS/74—4. 95 Written Answers APRIL 3, 1974 Written 4 * # ^ fl*f belonging to tbe Ail India Services against (b) With a viewto«oeet*»lift|!tlM#aoe whom, after necessary investigation, depart* of progteMk a number of promotional mental action was initiated or prosecution schemes have been included in the Fifth was launched during 1971-72, and 1972-73 Plan both by the Cfcrtrai and State Govern- and 1973-74 on charges of negligence of ments. These include, among othets, duty or of corruption, is being collected. provision of package assistance and con- The position as on 3-4-1974 of the cases sultancy services, fecial incentives for • referred to above, i>. the results of the development of backward and rural areas, cases concluded and the number of cases intensification of extension activities etc. - sttil pending, is also being ascertained. The above information, when collected, Teleprinters services la Faria* and H, will be laid on the Table of the House. 5562. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- IndustrlsBiattoa of Hfanadml Pradesh, SHAR : WU1 the Minister of COMMUNI- J&K, Pwtfab'and Haryana. CATIONS be pleased to state: 5361. PROP. NARAIN CHAND PARA- (a) the names of places in Himachal SHAR: Will the Minister of INDUS- Pradesh where Teleprinter Services are TRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE available; AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: (a) whether Government regard indus- (b) whether there is any *cheme to pro- trialisation specially in small scale sector vide these services in more places during as sufficiently high for State of Hima- the Fifth Plan; chal Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Punjab (c) if so, the number and names of such and Haryana; and places; and (b) if not, whether Government will lake (d) the comparative figures for Punjab necessary steps to ensure quicker industriali- and Haryana where tbe teleprinter service sation? are available at present? * THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS ANSARI): (a) Judging from the number (PROF. SHER SINGH) (a) These places of small units registered during the Fourth are : Plan period, the development of small Dharamsala* Kulu, Mandi, Palampw, industries in the States of Himachal Simla A Solan. ^ PraM i, Jammu A Kashmir, Punjab and Haryana, has been showing an encouraging (b) and («). Teleprinters arc Introduced trend as would be borne out by the following m Telegraph Offices where there it enough tg^le:— traffic to justify the same. At aw no such offices where Teleprinters arc 1969 1973 needed to be instaBed* W hen traffic dew- (provi- s io n a l) lops in future the Teleprinters will *e pro- vided as needed. 4,740 6,740 Himachal Pradesh . (d) The comparative figure* a re ; Jammu & Ka*hmir 950 2,133 M a ry a n a . 6,312 13,418 Punjab—15 stations. 23,212 35,658 Haryana 5 sunk**. 97 Written Answers CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 98 Transport Subsidy to Himachal Pradesh and Renfro evt ^ t t ht J.&K. rm Pwra finrf) ; (fr) h 5563. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARA- ’rfw , ^ fW ¥r SHAR: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL 'j^r n d ^ irrwfcr fer Jttj jt'tt +1*) w DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND w r % iR*nr # irral t i ^ nf^'t TECHNOLOGY be pleased to refer to % I iraFw % % the reply given on the 13th March, 1974 W m flV 5ISIPT f ifk ^ fqrfWJH’ F R % regarding setting up of industries in back ward areas and state: HfEmMf % ^ ^ ^ t I (a) whether any transport subsidy is (»J) >Tf »T?FPT ^ also available for Himachal Pradesh and Jammu and Kashmir; and HW 5J^ I :— (b) if so, the amount of subsidy in each (i) — 1 case ? ( i i) H ^ w -2 ( iii) — 8( 1 'TjfT^I) THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE ( iv ) t3TT-5frf%?— 24 LOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR RAHMAN (V) ANSARI) : (a) Yes Sir, Transport Sub sidy Scheme, 1971 as amended from time % 5srfEmMt % ^ ^ to time is applicable to Himachal Pradesh and Jammu & Kashmir, besides a few other fV^TT'>T FWMtr ^ !iwrefk?r Areas. ^su !Ic^ T? % (^) KfPT f | tt f^trr 5TMT11 (b) No amount of subsidy has so far been claimed or disbursed by any industrial H HTH ^ % «T^rArt ^ undertaking located in these areas. 5 56 5. ^PiTWT : WWl Zff ^ t>HI Wnir ftr : (^) TOT ^ % JT^rtW ^ ^Ftm sftET ^ H ^TRT I ; 5564. m t : W SSTR (w ) ft, Voluntary Organisations Engaged In the (b) and (c). VUilIc no tepr«?,cn State level with non-official experts th e ov«a8 policy with regaid to decen- in various fields and to augment the tralisation of planning Is tint while units capabilities of their Planning De- smaller that the district wottld participate partments. One of the units to in identifying potentials and problems and be set up under this scheme is the in imtfiementatbn of programmes, planning region*} district planning unit which as an integrated function will be undertaken will provide guidance and technical only at the district level in view Of the con* back-up to the regional and district sideratkms o f viability, availability of inter- Planning authorities. Two thirds related data and structure of administrative o f the additional expenditure incurred h ie ra rc h y . by the State Governments on this account is being borne by the Centre, Political AflHatSea el Per*** A iftttel I* Gujarat ender M.I&A* (4) The Centre has impressed upon the States to involve the people is the 5571. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : W ill planning process. States have been the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS specifically requested to enlist the be pleased to state: fuller participation of the Members of Parliament and Legislature in (a) the names and political affiliation of seeing that the plans are adequately persons detained under M. I. S. A. in con- nection with the recent food agitation in formulated and properly executed. Gujarat; and (5) The Planning Commission has. all (b) the specific charges agaimt each along, stressed the need for multi- p e rs o n ? level planning. This implies identi- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE fication of focal resources and assess- MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI ment oflocfcl potentials and priorities. F. H. M OHSIN): (a)and (b). Informa- So far as the involving oT villages in tion is being collected from the Slate Govern- plan formulation is concerned. State ment and m il be laid on the Table Of the Governments are advised that in the H o u se . m atter of identifying the requirements for social services and inputs and taking locational decisions to respect Ccaftiat Assistance U tt EaigSSiyMnift Gu- of infrastructural facilities, the view arantiee SdMrtfte In MdhnrsBhini of the Panchayats should be in- 5572. SHRI ANNASAHEB GOT- variably taken into consideration. KHINDE; Will the Minister of PLAN- The National Programme of Mini- N1N Gbc pleased to state : mum Needs Which is an integral feature of the Fifth Five Year Plan (a) whether the Government had pro- and is designed to take vided Central assistance c n a matching care of the social consumption basis for the employment guarantee need* of the villages/local areas scheme of the State of ttahuasfctra; on a norm-oriented and location specific basis, has been drawn up whether it is proposed totttfrtinue and to be implemented with the the matching contribution for HW4eXte«n« participation of the village comm* as a centrtttty sponsored scbiw» In the u n itie s . Fifth Five Year Man period; 105 Written A nswcrs CHAlTRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) Writ tell A IISWI'rS 106 (c) the estimated amount required by (b) whether new buildings of the depart- the State Government for the scheme ment have been completed there and the during the year 1974-75; and Departmental Telegraph Office has not been shifted in these buildings; and (d) th e allocations nude for the same (c) whether there is public discontent- for the year 1974-75 and for the Fifth Plan ment regarding the same and if so, the period ? reaction of Government therelo? THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS MOHANDHARIA): (a) and (b). Under the (PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) The present Special Employment Programme for States Departmental Telegraph Office (DTO) at and Union Territories initiated in 1972-73, Sangli is in a rented building. the Government of Maharashtra was allowed Central assistance with the understanding (b) A new building for the Post Office that the State would provide a matching con- with Telegraph branch planned before the tribution to an equal extent. The Employ- opening of a DTO at Sangli has been com- -~ ment Guarantee Scheme was one of the pleted, but the shifting has not been effected many schemes formulated and implemen- due to inadequate accommodation for ted by the Government of Maharashtra locating the new DTO also in this building. under the Special Employment Programme (c) No complaint from the public has in 1972-73 and in 1973-74. However, the been received. Special Employment Programme is not Guidelines for take over of Siek Industries being continued from 1974-75 onwards by the Central Government. 5575. SHRI DHAMANKAR : '. SHRI R. P. ULAGANAMBI (c) and (d). An outlay of Rs. 7.50 crores has been included in the overall Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL ceiling of Rs. 274.85 crores approved by DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND the Planning Commission for the State's TECHNOLOGY be pleased to stale: Annual Plan 1974-75. As the size and the (a) whether the Stcaring Group of (he content of the Fifth Plans of States including Planning Commission has made cerIa in that of Maharashrra have yet to be finally suggestions regarding take-over of the sick determined, it is not possible to indicate industries in the country; and at this stage the allocations which would be nude for various schemes within the (b) if so, whether these recommendations Fifth Five Year Plans of various States. have been accepted by Government to serve as future guidelines? Buildin:,; (or Departmental Telegraph Office THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE at Sangli MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL DEVE- LOPMENT (SHRI M. B. RANA) : (a) 5574. SHRI ANNASAHEB GOT- and (b). A Special Group of the Planning KHINDE: Will the Minister of COMMU- Commission have made certain suggestions NICA TlONS be pleased to state: regarding causes underlying sickness of (a) whether the present Deparuncnra I engineering units and preventive as well as Telegraph Office at Sangli (Maharashtra) remedial measures to be taken. It has is situated in a rented building which is been decided 10 take suita ble steps to im- inconvenient to the public; p)ement these recommendations. 107 Written Answers AF8.IL 3, 1974 Written Amwen 1$$ Number of eases of Theft te DdM faring THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 1974 MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. H. MQHSIN) : (a) 82 a im of theft 3576. KUMARI KAMLA KUMAR1 : ui day nine were reported in this area in Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS the month of February, 1974. be to state: (b) N„ sjr (a) the number of reports received by (c) Question does not arise. the Delhi Police regarding thefts in da> time in Delhi in the year 1974; and Number of persons arrested in Tr4»s-Yaataf« area of Delhi In connection with thefts (b) whether any immediate step was taken just after receipt of the reports 7 5578. KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI ; Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI (a) the number of persons arrested in F H. MOHSIN) • (a) 2269 cases of theft in Trans-Yamuna area of Delhi in connection day time were reported to the Delhi with theft cases tn the year 1974; Police during the year !974 (1-1-74 to 15-3-74). (b) whether anything in any theft case in that area was recovered by the Police (b) Immediate action just after receipt dunng the said period, and of such reports is taken Where it is war- ranted, the Dog Squad is also called and (c) if not, the reasons therefor? ail-out efforts are made to work out the TH1 DEPUTY MINISTER IN THF case MINISTRY OF HOMl AFFAIRS (SHRI F H MOHSIN) : (a) 31 persons were Refusal by Shakarpur Police to register arrested m the period 1-1*74 to 15-3-74. complaint of theft in Shakarpur, Delhi (b) Stolen property worth about rupees 5577 KUMARI KAMLA KUMARI sixty four thousand was recovered Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS (c) Question does not an»c be pleased to state Misuse of Post Cards (a) the number of complaints received for day theft m the Trans-Yamuna area 5579. DR. RANEN Sr-N . of Delhi in February, 1974; SHRI C K CHANDRAPPAN : (b) whether Shakarpur police refused Will the Minister of COMMUNICA- to write report regarding a day theft in TIONS be pleased to state; Shakarpur, Delhi-51 stating that they are (a) whether a recent sample survey con- unable to wrHc a complaint of theft re- ducted by P & T Department revealed that ported by a relation of the sufferer and only the business houses are misusing the post they will write complaint when the man cards; who has lost his property will come and complain; and (c) if so, the reasons for refusal of writing (c) the steps proposed to be taken lo complaint by the Police? , prevent this ? 109 WriHen Answers C H A IT R A 13, 1896 {SAK A) Written Answers HO THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) to (c). A (PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) The drawings sample survey was conducled by the De- etc. in respect of extension to HPO building partment recently to find out the percentage at Bhadrak are under preparation. As of post cards with printed communications. regards accommodating Telephone Ex- Printing of communications in post cards change in HPO compound, the proposal is not a misuse. has not so far been undertaken. Telephone Exchange has, however, recently been Statement made by President of National shifted to another rented building to Federation of P & T Employees facilitate better functioning. (b) The execution of the work of 5580. DR. RANEN SEN ; Will the extension to HPO building is likely to Minister of COMMUNICATIONS be be delayed due to ban on construction of pleased to state: non-functional buildings which includes postal buildings, also, on account of (a) whether the President of the Na- financial stringency. tional Federation of the Posts and Tele- graphs employees stated that in case their Central Sector Projects in Orissa in coming negotiations with the Union Govern- Fifth Plan ment failed then whole industry would go for an united struggle; and 5582. SHRI ARJUN SETHI ; Will the Minister of PLANNING b" pleased (b) if so, the facts thereof ? to state : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (a) the number of Central projects MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS proposed to be set up in Orissa in the (PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) and (b). Fifth Plan; Government have seen some press reports in this regard but no formal intimation (b) whether the Bhimkunda Dam has been received in the matter from the Project has been included; and National Federation of the Posts and Tele- (c) if not, the reasons therefor ? graphs Employees. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Extension of Bhadrak H.P.O. MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) Since the sizes 5581. SHRI ARJUN SETHI : Will and contents of the Fifth Plans of the the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS Central Ministries and the State be pleased to state : Governments including that of Orissa have yet to be finally determined, it is not (a) whether the proposed extension work possible presently to indicate which of the Bhadrak H.P.O. (Orissa) and the projects/programmcs will utilmately be new Telephone Exchange in H. O. Campus included in the final version of the Fifth have been undertaken so as to facilitate Plans of the Centre and the States. the better functioning of the office; and (b) In the Draft Fifth Plan proposals (b) the time by which the proposed furnished by the Government of Orissa for extension work would be completed? consideration of the Planning Commission, 11! Written Answm APft$L 3, Written Amwttv l i t Bhitnkuoda Dam Project was not (d) if so, the decbtaa of Government included aft part of the State plan either th e re o n ? under Irrigation or under Flood Control THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE se c to rs , MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS {PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. (c) Does not arise. (b) In his tetter dated 5th M arch, 19*74 CJM. Inquiry aftaiwt Secretary of Celr Shri M. N. Govindan Nair Minister of Beard Transport and Electricity, Kerala has requested to Minister of Communications 5583. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: to set up an automatic telephone exchange Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL at Punatur. The case has been examined DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND and Shri N air informed that due to extreme TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : shortage of automatic equipment in Hie (a) whether the C. B. I enquiry conducted country, it is not possible to put up mi about the Secretary of the Coir Board has automatic telephone exchange at Punatur been completed; for the present. (b ) if so, the charges enquired into and (c) Yes, Sir. the findings thereof; ( d ) Due to extreme shortage of automatic (c) the steps Government propose to take equipment in the country, it » not possible on the basis of the enquiry ; and to put up an automatic telephone exchange at Punalur for the time being. It will be (d) tf the answer to part (a) be in the possible to do so when the supply position negative, the reasons therefor ? of automatic equipment improves after THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THL the second switching factory goes into MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL production by the end of the 5th Year DEVELOPMENT (SHRI ZIAUR Man. Meanwhile to meet the future RAHMAN ANSAR!) * (a) to (d). The demands of telephone connections at PunaJpur installation of a manual exchange information is being collected and will be of higher capacity has been planned. laid on the Table of the House. Recruitment rules for Celr AHM atk Tris haw Exchange at Pnaatur 5584. SHRI C, K. CHANDRAPPAN : 5585. SHRI C, K. CHANDRAPPAN : WiR the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS WIU the Minister of INDUSTRIAL be pleased io state: DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : (a) whether the Kerala transport and electricity Minister had requested the (a) whether Government have received Centre to set up an automatic telephone any memorandum from the Coer Board exchange at Punatur, Kerala; Employees Association regarding the finaHiation o f t h e recruitment rule for the (b) if so, the facts thereof; employees of the Coir Board; (c) whether Government received several (b) if so, the outlines thereof; and representations from PunaJur to this effect; a n d (c> the reaction of Government thereto t U S Written Answers CHAITRA 13, 11*96 (SAKA) Written Answers 114 TUB DEPUTY MINISTER IK THE ONMMMft Area Development Authority MINISTRY OP INDUSTRIAL for Maximum Beacttt from Irrigation DEVELOPMENT {SHRI 23AUR Potentials during Fifth Plan RAHMAN ANSAR!); (a) Yes, Sir. 5587. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : The Coir Board Employees Will the Minister of PLANNING be Association fear that the draft Recruitment pleased to state : Ruks as finalised by the Sub-Committee oT the C oir Board will deprive the employees (a) whether Government have any plan of the benefit* so far enjoyed by them. resort to command Area Development They have accordingly requested for the Authority during the Fifth Plan period for intervention of the Government to safeguard maximum benefit from irrigation poten- their interests. tia ls ; (c) The Government will take into (b) if so, the main features thereof; and account all factors into consideration (c) whether any specific areas are content before finalising the rules. plated to be included in the first two years issue of licence letter of intent for of the Fifth Plan ? BrodactkM of tato food THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 5586. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and (b). Yes, DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND Sir. Integrated command a*.» develop- TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state ment programme is one of the principle (a) whether any licence or tetter of elements in the strategy for increasing intent for production of baby food has agricultural production during the Fifth been issued for the Eastern-region; Plan. Tbe need for an into -disciplinary authority with a direct line of command, (b) If so, the facts thereof; *nd within the Departments of Irrigation, (c) whether any action has been taken Agriculture, Soil Conservation and to implement (he letter of mtent/bcence Cooperation with a view to bringing so far is so, the result thereof ? cohesion at the different level* of operations in various disciplines for optim um utilisation THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL of irtigation potential and ensuring DEVELOPMENT (SHRI M. B. RANA) : increased agricultural production, has been accepted by the States. This authority (a) and (b). Letters of Intent have been will, tn particular, attend to ooHtam Issued to two parties ( v i z . M/s. Lakshmi development works consisting of field Janardhan Food Products, Ltd., channels, field drains, land levelling and Calcutta and M/s. Whar State ©air> land shaping operation*; surveys, designs Corporation, Patna) on 4*7*1970 and and preparation of plans for these work* 20.8-1973 for setting up new undertakings, one each in West Bengal and Bihar for and the supervision of the execution of such works; and demons* tbe BUHwfiiciiwe o f bnljy food for an annual and extension capndty of 1750 tonnes and 800 tonnes tratton work tn agricultural sector. respectively, subject to certain conditions. M a tc h in g grants o n 5 0 -5 0 basis wUI be fet It IttaM tt decided to grant industrial provided by the Centre to the State foi the establishment of liceoces to the tw o parties m furtherance Governments these authorities, soil surveys, preparation o f th e m m of field plans, and equity/share capital crucial to economic activities in general, support to land development banks etc have received emphasis. The sub-Plan to enable flow of institutional finance to is under the consideration of the Planning the farmers for the above stated on-farm Commission. development works wwfyr* wm * wmmtHm (c) For this area development programme, ** commands of about SO major and medium irrigation projects are proposed to be taken 5 58®. w : n r mr up. The specific areas and details are at present betng worked out by the State Governments tn consultation with the (fr) Hitt Development Scheme for West (w) vt t e*r (b) if so, the mam featuies thereof, and tfn w mrr mftwr fawm af rrmr mft (c) whether this seheme has been tm faiw fmfi) . ( r ) rrnt *mrr» * approved ? «irmT ivflpjr nfr * <* *t*. lHJ4 rmr j t t r wr*i m fw h im t*t tm* y THE MINISTER OF STATh IN THL vrnir *ppsrswt ir tt w»ff % aft* *w*t if* inrun i MINISTRY Oh PLANNING (SHRI MOHAN DHARIA) (a) to (a» whether there is any other category Hff fU ftWPT *f TW sftf of employees, except Assistant"., in the Letters Cards (c) the steps being taken or proposed to be taken in collaboration with the 5593. SHRI SHYAM SU ND ER Government of Bangladesh for preser- MOHAPATRA ; Will the Minister of vation of his memory in Dacca University COMMUNICATIONS be pleased to state where he did most of his important works? whether Government plan for any cheap type of letter card for poor people in our THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL country? DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE & TECHONOLGY (SHRt C. SUBRA- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MANIAM) : (a) to (c). Sir, all these matters MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS are under the consideration of the National (PROF. SHER SINGH): (a) No, Sir. Organising Committee for the celebration of the 50th Anniversary of the Bose Differences among Members of Planning Statistics, which was set up in the year Commission 1973. Their recommendations are still 5594. SHRI SUKHDEO PRASAD awaited. VERM A: Extension of Time Limit to Netaji Inquiry SHRI V. MAYAVAN Committee Will the Minister of PLANNING be 5596. SH RI SAM AR G UH A : Will pleased to state ; the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be (a) whether sharp differences among the pleased to state : members of the Planning Commission will (a) whether Netaji Inquiry Commission affect the smooth working of the Fifth has asked for further extension of time for Five Year Plan; and concluding its findings; (b) if so, the reasons for these differences (b) if so, the period of extension given and the necessary steps Government propose for submission of Commission’s report; to take to remove the misgivings, if any? (c) the expenditure so far made for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE payment of allowance to (i) the Chairman, MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI (ii) Government Senior Counsel (iii) Junior MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) No, Sir. Counsel and for other purposes for (b) does not arise. Commission’s work; and Bringing out Works of Late Prof. S. N. (d) the estimated total expenditure for Base in English and other Indian Languages the Commission? 5595. SH RI SAMAR G UH A ; Will THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE the Minister of SCIENCE AND MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state ; F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) Yes, Sir. (a) whether standard and popular (b) A proposal seeking further extension biographies of late Prof. S. N. Bose will of the term of the Commission up to 30th be published in English and all other Indian June, 1974 has been received and is under languages; consideration. i n Written A tw m s CHAtTRA 13, 1*96 (SAKA) Written Answers 122 (c) (0 Chairman R*. 49.086 15 (d) In addition to the retraining effect of «emor$bip, Government to also trying fit) Government to achieve the objective* by encouraging SeniorCounsel Ri. &MJ2.95 good quality purposeful films. Control (iU) junior Council over potters vests with the State Govern- and forodier ments and the Municipal authorities who pwipoMiror had also been advised to take suitable Commission** stringent steps. w o rk Rs. 6,06,514.86 Postponement of Flnallaatkm sf (d) Rs. 0.72 lakhs approximately. F ifth P la n a u p j U C P n i i r t l n f O l i c m FP— as 5598. SHRI RAM BHAGAT P ASW AN. MMMM by Admmym Vlmbn M iw SHRI R. P. ULAGANAMBI : 5597. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : WUi WUI the Minister of PLANNING tt* Minister of INFORMATION AND be pleased to state : BROADCASTING be pbw d to stale : (a) whether Government have deckled (a) whmber Acharaya Vinoba Bhave to put off ihe fin&ttsatton of the Fifth Plan; made an appeal to the Prime Minister, a n d as appeared in the press during the 2nd week of March, for rettrammg production (h) if so, the reasons therefor ? of obscene films; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) whether such film* and vulgar cinema MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI posters are creating serious degeneration MOHAN DHARIA) : (a) and M l whether ftiesh eftort* wilt be made Fifth Five Year Plan. by Government («> for mumming In*** M » bcttcrt* ipvefeft* n«f* THL DIPU1Y MINlSTtR IN 1HL Slate Plain larger flow Of funds Prom M IN IS T R Y O t MOMI A n AIRS (SHRI the various' Motors of davwtopmeitt will F H. MOHSIN) («) Yes, Sir be ensured to meat the requirements of (bl One Sub-Inspector was found guilty each specific area provided it 1« geography of an unseemly altercation with members caily and administratively viable. It Is of the Central F cod Squad He and an also indicated that the State resources ASI, according to the report, unjustifi- for sub-plans for the development of ably detained one of the members of tnbal areas wit) be supplemented by suitable Central Food Squad at Police Post, R K financial support from the Centre In Puram Sector Number VIII Further, the accordance with the guidelines issued by SHO, R K Puram, attempted to shield his the Planning Communion* the State erring subordinates Governments have been requested to pre- lactmioa of Sub-Plan In tbe Fifth Plan transport facility and heavy colt ofestbiish- FtorfPostal facilities) For Telecommuni- ment are the main reasons for the book' cation faculties wardness of comntunketioo facilities In such areas. (i) Koreput, Keonj- Balasore, BaJan< Liberalised conditions are, therefore, her Katahandn gir, Dhenka- applied for opening post offices and provid- Sundargarh, Dhe- nal, Kalahandi, ing teleconimutucation facilities in suefe nkanaf, Mayur- Keoqjhar, Kara- areas. bhaqj, Phulbani put, Mayur- {Boudh KLhanda* bhanj, Phulbaai Cheeklag t»f air and water paHntaee raal) Distts. and Sundergarh ie Orissa D ts tric ts . 5602. SHRI GIRIDHAR GOMANGO : (ii) Affracy Areesof (») Ranjnagar Pol- W«n the Minister of SCIENCE AND Oanjam District. loe Station only TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : to Pun D«st- net, fa) the steps taken by Government to (tiO Rajnagar P S. check air pollution due to Cement at Raj- Area in Puri agangpur and water pollution due to Paper D is tric t, Mill, at Rayagada in Oris&a so far ; (b) Postal S m kd : (b) the terms and conditions settled by the Ministry with these industries at the the CMditKkn for opening of P. Os, time of their establishment ► and in cases of such bale ward areas arc more liberal in comparison of normal areas. (c) how fat they hive fulfilled their terms During 4th Plan period, 401 new Branch of agreement to check pollution 1 offices were opened in Ihoee backward arm s During Fifth Plan period also post offices THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL are proposed to be opened lit such areas DEVELOPMENT ANi> SCONCE AND whenever presented conditions are ful* TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C. SUBRAMA- filled . NIAM) to (w) Nisejsary ia- f.nmaiton is being collected and would TdcnMaaiaaicatkni Sertkes . be laid on the Table of the House, In order to increase tbe telephone Start fern tcfeaaae to deal with la9ati<»4» facilities oft Urn basis hi bakward areas the ary treaJ ioecoaoaay policy for providing such facilities was liberatisod, Tbe proposals for providing 560*. SHRI N. K. SANGHI . tetephooe Cac&ties on ta i basis in back* SHRI R. P. ULAGANAMBl : ward ties* daring the WUh Plan arc under cxamteatiQii aad are likely to be finalised Will the Minister of PLAN Nil NO s h o rtly . pleased to state: <0 Expaftskso oCoooumiaicailon facilities (a) wlwUvsr thePlaaaiag. Co u nusuonhas in an arse h w r n m m i with tbe general formulated any siutt term tcluiu to 4*ii o f the ease la tern* of papule* with the mtUiuxury trend in tnee^on.imy tto** Mtec^v«^Mbofi(iduatryand ira(u> O f tbe country ; and port fte iii, Thtt* difficult terrain* •petce liuule^Mtt H 18*1 (b) If *o, tbe outHne# thereof ? 7LSS/74^$ 327 Written Answers APRIL 3, 1974 Written Answer* 13$ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE far as possible. Some of the alternatives MINISTRY OF PLANNING (SHRI are domestic services of Air India, MOHAN DHARIA) ; (Rs. crores) ner which would enable them to manu&c- 1973-74 1974-75 ture 30,000 tonnes of newsprint and 30,000 Irrigation & Power . 954.58 1150,82 tonnes of printing, writing paper etc. annually* The party's application tor Industry & Mining . 806.70 1162.09 amendment of the Letter of Intent awl im- Transport & Commu- port of capital goods are being processed* nications 695,35 1026.61 Unearthing a Gang of Burglars at Wazlrpar (c> As will be seen from the State-wise Delhi outlays for 1973*74 given in the statement 5612. SHRI P. GANGADEB : laid on the Table of the House higher priority has been accorded in the Plan SHRI SHKHCISHAN MODI : for 1974-75 to the programmes for Irri- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS gation Power and Agriculture. [Placed be pleased to state : in library. See No. LT-6614/74]. It is (a) whether a big gang of burglars was proposed to place a report on the Annual unearthed at Wazirpur in Delhi in Febru- Plan, 1974-75, giving details of these sectors ary, 1974. on the Table of the House in the course of the current session of the Parliament, (b) if so, whether any arrests have been made; and * Setting up of Newsprint Plant by West (c) whether any articles were recovered Coast Paper Mills from the arrested persons ? 5611. SHRI P. GANGADEB : THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE SHRI RAGHUNANDAN LAL MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI BHATtA : F. H. MOHSIN) : (a) and (b). No Sir. However, two persons were arre&ted in Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL February 1974, who had committed a num- DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND ber of thefts iti Shanti N it gat and Sha^tri TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state: Nagar, colonies adjoining Wa/irpur. (a) whether any proposals were made to (c) Stolen goods worth about eight thou- Government by the Director of West Coast sand rupees consisting of transistors, gold Paper Mills for installation of a News- and silver ornaments, clothes, wrist watches, print Plant; utensils, cash etc were recovered from (b) if so, whether proposals are pending them. with Government for more than two years; False Claims of Freedom lighters and 5613. SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY: (c) if so, the facts thereof ? Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE be pleased to state: MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL (a) whether it has come to the notice of DEVELOPMENT (SHRI M. B. RANA) : Government that false claims of some free- (a) to (c). At the end of November, 1973, dom fighters were accepted and tft&rft M/s. West Coast Paper Mills formally patras were distributed; and approached the Government for amendment of the letter of intent granted to them for (b) if so, the reasons for not verifying the manufacture of 60,000 tonnes per an- the claims before granting pension to free* num of different grades of paper in a man- dom fighters ? 137 Written Answers CHAITRA 13, 1896 {SAKA) Written Answers 138 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (b) if so, the results achieved so far ? MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. H. MOHSIN): (a) Instances have come THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER to the notice of Government of Tamra- OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF patras having been distributed to persons ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER who, on further verification, were not OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA found to be eligible for the same. GANDHI) : (a) Yes, Sir. (b) The Freedom Fighters Pension Scheme (b) Because of the absence of any fissile lays down certain criteria of eligibility. The material in natural thorium, large scheme was given wide publicity and in utilisation of thorium for nuclear power response to this several thousands of ap- generation can be ensured only by converting plications were received. Normally, pen- it through a nuclear reactor into fissile mate- sions would have been sanctioned in these rial U 23i. When thorium is used as a cases only on receipt of a verification re- port from the State Government or the blanket material in a fast breeder reactor, 233 Union territory Administration concerned. it is converted into U which can then be This procedure, however, would have used as a fissile material for generating entailed considerable delay. It was, there- power. The Department of Atomic En- fore, decided that pensions may be sanc- ergy has already initiated action on the development of fast breeder reactors. tioned straightaway on a provisional basis The 40 MW Fast Breeder Test Reactor in those cases where the prescribed criteria now under construction at the Reactor were prime facie fulfilled on the basis of the Research Centre at Kaipakkam will be documentary evidence produced by the used to develop the various technologies applicants. Later, as verification reports involved in the large scale utilisation of came In from the State Governments and thorium. Union territory Administrations, pensions were also sanctioned on the basts of such reports. However, from time to time there Raids by underground Mixos on Tripura have been complaints against individual State Boeder Areas Freedom Fighters on the ground that they 5615. SHRI R S. PANDEY : Will the managed to get the pension by furnishing Minister of HOME AFFAIRS be pleased incorreu or false information. These to state: complaints are examined with reference to the original records. In doubtful case* (a) whether there have been frequent raids further investigations are being made and by underground Mizos from across border in those cases where there is strong presump- with Bangladesh on Tripura State border tion that the evidence earlier furnished areas; and was not correct, the pension is also suspen- (b) if so. the steps taken to prevent such ded pending completion of the investigations. raids ? Development of Thorium Technology THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE 5614. DR. KARNt SINGH : Will the MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY be pleased F. H. MOHSIN): (a) There have been ten to state: incidents of raids m Tripura by underground (a) whether India has carried out anyMiros froit across tha border with Bangla- experiments to develop the thorium tech- desh during 1973 and one incident so far nology; and during 1974. m Writm Atumm APRIL $, 1*74 Writim 4 * m m (b) S e c u rity t m m h*ve intensified their (e) If, on tfc* completion of emtufry th e patrols and combing operations to contain p e n s to i m fa»w# to 1* wrongly such unlawful activities of the underground 0 * m m * W b e can celled a n d M f e r n g t t o * Mizos. In one encounter, two under- regarding recovery etc. taken depending ground miscreants were killed. op the merits of Freedom FfeMan who eappitai False Indigenous Mam&ctqre of Captel £ o o d s Information 5617. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRl: 5616 SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRl: Will the Minister of INDUSTRIAL DE- Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS VELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND be pleased to state: TECHNOLOGY be pleased to state : (») the names aud addresses of such Free- (a) whether them is a proposal under dom Fighters whose pension has been consideration to develop the indigenous stooped on the ground that they supplied manufacturing of capital goods; and false information while forwarding their (b) if so, the outlines thereof? applications; THE MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL (b) the names and addresses of such free- DEVELOPMENT AND SCIENCE AND dom fighter pension recipients against TECHNOLOGY (SHRI C SUBRAMA- whom complaints arc still under invest- N1AM) : (a) Yet,, Sir. igation that they supplied false (b) The DGTD, on the basis of capital information, and goods cleared for imports during 1973, (c) what penal or other actions the Go- prepared a list of capital goods not manu* vernment have taken or decided to taU factored in the country or the availability against those mentioned in part (a) above? of which indigenously is not likely in the near future and advertised the same m the THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Indian Export Service Bulletin Volume MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI XVIII No, 7 dated 16.2-1974. The adver- F. H. MOHSIN): (a) and (b). From time to tisement was issued with the turn objectives time complaints are received against indivi- of dual freedom Fighters *ho have been awar- (i) giving an opportunity to indigenous ded pension that they have managed to get manufacturers to consider taking up the penwon by furnishing incorrect or false the production of any of the items information. These complaints are exa- in the list as part of development and mined with reference to the original records import substitution; and and in doubtful cam a reference is made to the State Governments for report. At <*0 eliminating the need to go through present 12? CMC* m »*vfer correspondence the advertisement procedure in res- with tbe State Government*. In those pect of these machines which are cases where there ts a strong presumption not manufactured in the country. lh*t the Freedom Fighter was not entitled The indigenous manufacturers were re* to the pension, action is taken tp suspend q u ested to go through the list and inform fte pension pending investigation. In 92 the DGTD, within 30 days from the date of the 129 cases referred to above, the of issue of advertisement whether manu- Morion lips been suspended. It is not facturing capacities in respect of any of the possible to give names and addresses of all advertised items are available or whether these persons indigenous manufacture could be established M l Written Answer* CHAITRA 13, 1996 (,SAKA) Written Answer* 142 by 90th June, 1974. Documentary evidence (a) whether as per latest orders of the m « t« be famished to establish the claims Government, staff of different categories of Of the manufacturers. On the basis of the departmental canteen are being paid information received* the DGTD have their salary from Government exchequer; made an assessment of indigenous capacities (b) whether the rates of salary admissible *s aU b c «o4 of June, JL974 for the maw* facture of machinery cleared for impot to the different categories of staff are very meagre, even lower than the rates prescribed during 197) and have prepared a list of capital goods to be allowed for import under Miniumum Wages Act in some cases; and during 1974-75. (c) whether Government propose to AmMaaca far P & T Dispensary fat Patna issue orders for the medical treatment of 5618. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRi : the Canteen Staff from the P & T Dis- Will the Minister of COMMUNICATIONS pensaries in the country ? be pleased to state : THE MINISTER OP STATE IN THE (a) whether a new staff car has been MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS provided recently in the office of the (PROF. SHER SINGH) : (a> No. The District Manager Telephones, Patna; Departmental Canteen ts not a limb of (b) whether any ambulance has been Government and its staff are the employees provided in the P & T Dispensar>, Patna; of the Canteen Managing Committee. and The Government subsidise the establish- (c) if not, whether a ts proposed to ment charges of the canteen. provide an ambulance which is so badly (b) The scales of pay for different cate* needed in the P it T Dispensary thereby gortes of staff arc on lines of those fixed acceding to longstanding demand of the by the Department of Personnel and Ad- Unions ? ministrative Reforms who have prescribed THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THC the scales after taking into account the MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS rates prescribed under the Mnimum Wages (PROF. SHER SINGH> : (a) Yes. Sir. Act and other facilities provided to the Canteen staff No, Sir. (e> No. (c) if so* what are the main features of THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TUB ihe said report; and MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI F. H. M OH SIN ); (a) to (c), The facts are (d) whether that report will be laid on being ascertained. th? Table of the House and if not, the reasons therefor ? Allotment of Vacant Flati to Ewployeea in B om bay THE PRIME MINISTER. MINISTER OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER OF 5622. SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI): SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN ; (a) A Committee to review the programme of work at present carried out in the Saha Will the Minister of ATOMIC ENERGY Institute of Nuclear Physics, Calcutta and be pleased to state : the future programme to be undertaken during the Fifth Five-Year Plan has been (a) whether some self-contained flats constituted by the Department of Atomic are !>tng vacant in one of the residential Energy. building* of the Atomic Energy Depart- ment near Dadar, Bombay since 1973; (b) This Review' Committee visited the Saha Institute during November 1973. The (b) if so, the reasons for not allotting Committee has, however, not yet finalised these flats to the employees of the Depart- its report. ment ; and (c) and Cases of Attacks on Linguistic Minorities (c) the total Iosa incurred by Government in B om b ay on account of keeping these Hats vacant and the steps being taken to allot these 5 « l SHRI VAYALAR RAVI : flats ? SHRI K. P. UNNIKRISHNAN : THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER Will the Minister of HOME AFFAIRS OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF be pleased to state : ELECTRONICS AND MINISTER OF SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI): (a) the total number of ca*e? registered (a) and (b). No, Sir, Two flats were vacant in the city of Bombay for the attacks on for some time but have already been occu- Linguistic Minorities during the last three pied by employees of the Department, years, year-wise; (c) There is always some time fatg between (b> bow many of them ended in convic- vacation of a flat and its re-allotment and tions; and occupation. However* on the basis of average emoluments of ettgibte employees* (c) the total number of accused in these the loss of revenue over the entire period cases and the number of Shiv Sainiks in the fiats remained vacant fc approximately them ? Rs. 500. 145 Written Answers CHAITRA 13* 1896 (SAKA) Written Answers 146 mtt in Notification No. 1974 regarding management of the G.S*R. 271 in Ggzette of India New Bhopal Textile Mills Limited, dated the 16th March, 1974. Bhopal. (4> The Indian Administrative Service [Placed in Library. See No. Lt-6609/74]. (Pay) Fourth Amendment Roles, DEMANDS FOR GRANTS OP CENTRAL GOVERN- 1974, published in Notification No. MENT «PAT DEPARTMENT FOR 1974-75 G8.R< 272 in Gazette of India dated the 16th Match, 1974. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF COMMUNICATIONS (5) The Indian Police Service (Fixation (PROF SHER SINGH) : On behalf of of Cadre Strength) Second Amend- Shri Jagannath Pahadia, I beg to lay on ment Regulations, 1974 published the Table a copy of the Demands for Grants in Notification No. G.S.R. 273 in for expenditure of the Central Government Gazette of India dated the 16th on the Indian Posts and Telegraphs Depart- March, 1974. ment for 1974-75 (Hindi and English ver- sions) (6) The All India Services (Provident Fund) Amendment Rules, 1974, [Placed m Library See No LT-661074] published m Notification No. G.S.R. 282 in Gazette of India dated the 23rd March, 1974. [Placed ttt Library. See No. LT—6608/74] 11 34 bn COMMITTEE ON SUBORDINATE NOTIFICATIONS UNDFR INDUSTRIES (OEVEIOP- LEGISLATION M»NT AND REGULATION) ACT TfcNTH Rf TOUT THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI VIK.RAM M \H AJAN (Kangra) : MINISTRY OF INDUSTRIAL I beg to present ths Tenth Report of the DEVELOPMENT (SHRI *M B RANA) . Commiteec on Subordinate Legislation on I beg to lay on the Table a copy each of the action taken by Government on outstan- following Notifications (Hindi and English ding recommendations of the Committee. versions) under sub-section (2) of section 18A of the Industries (Development and Regulation) Act, 1951:— PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE (t) S. O. 788(E) published in Gazette of India dated the 20th December, HUVDRLI) AND EIGHTH REPORT 1973 regarding management of the Mah&lakshmi Mills Company SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diam>id Harbo ,r) . I beg to present Limited, Beawar (R&tasthan State) the Hundred and eighth Report of (?) $. O. 38(E) published tn Gazette the Public Accounts Com nittee on action of India dated the 15th January, taken by Government on the rt^nasnda- 1974 regarding management of the tions contained in their Nmcty-sscond Hira Mills Limited, Ujjain, Report on the Audit Report 0) $* O. 54(g) published in Gazette (Defence Services) 1970-71. of India fete* the 2Itt January, 7 LSV74—7. 191 Elections to Comm. APRIL 3, 1974 election* a Comm, 12.39 bra. by sub-rule (1) of Rule 309 of the Rule* of Procedure and Conduct of Business ELECTIONS TO COMMITTEES in Lok Sabha, fifteen members from among themselves to serve as members (i) ESTIMATES COMMfTTfcE of tbe Committee on Public Accounts for the term beginning on the 1st May, SHRI R. K. SfNHA (Fainted) : 1 beg 1974 and ending on the 30th April, 1975”. to move : "That the members of this House do proceed to elect in the manner required The motion was adapted* by sub-rulc(!) of Rule 311 of the Rules of SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU : 1 beg to Procedure and Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha, thirty members from among move ; themselves to serve as members of the “That this House do recommend to Committee on Estimates for the term Rajya Sabha that R*|ya Sabha do agree beginning on the 1st May. 1974 and ending to nominate seven members from Rajya on the 30th April, 1975”. Sabha to associate with the Committee on Public Accounts of the House few the MR. SPEAKER : The question is : term beginning on'the 1st May, 1974 and “That the members of this House ending on the 30th April, 1975, do proceed to elect in the manner required and do communicate to this House the by sub-rule (U of Rule 311 of the Rules names of the members so nominated by of Procedure and Conduct of Business Rajya Sabha*'. in Lok Sabha, thirty members from among themselves to serve as members MR. SPEAKER : The question is : of the Committee on Estimates for the term beginning on the 1st May, 1974 and •That this House do recommend to Rajya Sabha that Rajya Sabha do ending on the 30th April, 1975”. agree to nominate seven members The motion was adapted. from Rajy* Sabha to associate with the Committee on Public Accounts of the (li) PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE House for the term beginning on the 1st May, 1974 and ending on the 30th SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond April, 1975, and do communicate to this Harbour) : I beg to move : House the names of the members so “That the members of this House do nominated by R*|y« Sebha*\ proceed to elect in the manner required The motion »w» adopted. by sub-rule (I) of Rule >09 of tbe Rules of Procedure and Conduct of Business to serve as members of the Committee 12 3gfan on Public Undertakings for the term beginning on the 1st May, 19*74 and PLANTATIONS LABOUR (AMEND- ending on the 30th April, 1975’*. MENT) BILL MR SPEAKER The question is CONCUR RfcNC F IN RAJYA SABHA RECOMMENDA- TION TO APPOINT MFMBER TO JOINT COM* “That the members of this House MITTTE do proceed to elect in the manner required by sub-rule (!) of Rule 312B THF MINISTER OF LABOUR (SHRI of the Rules of Procedure and Conduct RAGHUNATHA REDDY ) I beg to of Business in Lok Sabha, fifteen move members from among themselves to *cr\e “That this House do concur in the as members of the Committee on Public recommendation of Rajva Sabha that Undertakings for the term beginning on Lok Sabha do appoint a member of the 1st May, 1974 and ending on the Lok Sabha to the Joint Committee of 30th April 1975”, the Houses on the Bill further to amend the Plantations Labour Act, 1951, m The motion Ha* adapted the vacancy caused by the resignation of Shn G Venkatswamy and do resolve SHRIMATI SUBHADRA JOSHI that Shn Balgovind Verma be nominated T beg to move to the said Joint Committee to fill the “That thts House do recommend to \acancv" Rajya Sabha that Rajva Sabha do agree Mr SPEAKER The question is to nominate seven members from Rajya Sabha to associate with the Committee “That this House do concur m the on Public Undertakings of the House recommendation of Rajya Sabha that for the term beginning on the 1st Mav Lok Sabha do appoint a member of 1974 and ending on the 10th April 1975 Lok Sabha to the Joint Committee of and do oommumcafe to this House the the Houses on the Bill further to amend names of the members so nominated bv the Plantations Labour Act, 1951, in Rjuy* Sabha" the \acancy caused bv the resignation of Shn G Venkatswamy and do resolve MR. SPEAKER The question is that Shn Balgovind Verma be nominated to the said Joint Committee to fill the “That thts House do recommend to vacancy” Rajya Sabha that Raj) a Sabha do agree to nominate seven members from Rajya The motion utu> adopted Sabha to associate with the Committee on Public Undertakings of the House SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond for the«erm beginning on the 1st May, Harbour) Ma> I with >our permission 1974 and ending on the 30th \pnl 1975, raise an issue ? That is regarding lock-out and do communicate to this House by Coca Cola Company I have written the names of the members so nominated about that three times by Rajaya Sabha”, MR SPt AKi R Mr Bosu, do not The motion adopted rathe that without my permission I did not give >ou the permission. 1 ha>e not 195 Rt, Distribution »f APRIL 3, 1974 Alt«g*th M calendars to MPa* {Mr. Speaker) SHRI &. A. SHAMIM : By the Parliament given permission to any other motion. Secretariat. You may write to me ten times. Unless I give you the permission, 'how can you I want the entire House to see this calendar move it ? Why do mil of you get up when published by the Punjab Government there is no intimation from you ? Why It is highly offensive and highly communal. do you all get up when you do not know We have a National Integration Council whether your motion has been permitted and we are celebrating the 800th anniversary to be moved or not. Do not do that. of Baba Farid. But this is the calendar which is being published and it is being circulated by the Parliament Secretariat * 12.39 hrs. This is published by the Punjab Govern- RE DISTRIBUTION OF ALLEGEDLY ment. I would like the House to know what OFFENSIVE CALENDARS TO this calendar contains. An offence under M.Ps. section 153 IPC is being committed in the House...... SHRI S. A. SHAMIM (Srinagar) : May I raise the privilege motion ? MR. SPEAKER : I do not know if there is anything wrong with it. MR, SPEAKER : There is no privilege motion at all. You cannot move that. SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : It is a question You may only make a submission. of exposing !>ccnes like this. Shri S. A. SHAMIM : Let me make a submission. And let this House decide SHRI P1LOO MODY (Godhra) : Are whether there is privilege involved. you sitting in judgement on what is happening ? Otherwise, why should you MR. SPEAKER : There is no question say that you do not see anything wrong of the House deciding about that. Please with it ? I see plenty of wi ong with it. do, not do that. SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : Kindl> a!lo* SHftf S. A. SHAMIM : ft is a question me to make my submission. You will of privilege, tf that is not a question of have to see thk before you decide. privilege, you may decide about that. sit itfin H*** (sftw fiFfr) : tfff 4Mhrr vt MR. SPEAKER : tf somebody had bro te # wr w distributed calendars, how can this be wrffi*» f»r * f* m tfrnr considered as a breach of a privilege of this House 1 *ri£*Tw$i*r?rw5»T m f i At the most, whe can invite the attention (qftSTfcT) : iff vr of the House to it. It is not a question of w it 11 ' breach of privilege. No, 1 and not aHoWing ft. MR. SPEAKER : I have not allowed it today. SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : An objectionable calendar h being distributed among SHRI K. LAKKAPPA (Tumkur) : it Members of Parliament and it continues only pertains to the ftntfab Oownuneot* to be distributed , He has not rawed any issue witfcft U tt*teva»t MR. SPEAKER : By whom 7 for being discusaed hens. ^ 7 Re. Distribution of CHAITRA 13,199* (SAKA) o0ewh^glendart 198 K fil SPEAKER *■ What is it that has House would like to know what is the happened in this House if something is offence that has been committed, being distributed outside. so that the House may be in a position to make u p its mind cm whether a breach SHRI $> A. SHAMIM : What has of privilege ap has occurred or not. Why happened is that it is being distributed are you depriving the Members and sub* through the Parliament Secretariat. sequently the House of the right to know SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE (Calcutta— whether a breach of privilege has occurred North-East) : If Parliament Secretariat or not ? inadvertently distributes to Members of Parliament a blatantly communal document MR. SPEAKER : Let him please sit with illustrations in a spirit which' goes down. Some calendar is being circulated entirely against national integration, surely and that is all. it is a matter of which the House should take note and it should stop that practice. SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : Not sortie MR. SPEAKER : So many things come calendar. But it is a Government publi- and they arc sent for distribution, like cation, which is highly communal. calendars and diaries etc. SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : Not so many MR. SPEAKER : All right, it is a things. The relevant Direction is Government publication. Whether it is Direction No. 125, under which only ccrtain within the proper limits or not, it is distri- specified things can be circulated. This buted to the Members, and tbe hon. Member is not a post office for any private agency. can make a submission but not on a point of privilege. SHRI INDRAJ1T GUPTA (Alipore) : It is a Government firm. SHRI S. A, SHAMIM : Pkase allow me to make my submission. Why don’t SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA you allow me ? (Begusarai) : I want to make a submission. First of aft, wc would like to know what MR. SPEAKER : I do not allow it (he complaint exactly is so that we as a tx>day. I have not allowed anything today. House may be in a position to know whether a breach of privilege ha* occurred or SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : It continues to not. be distributed by the Parliament Secretariat... SHRI S. A SKAM1M : Why don’t you permit me (o cftpbriis about the breach of MR. SPEAKER : Will he kindly sit privilege? Tha* is a fundamental right.,..... down now? I have not allowed any motion M R SPEAKER : I have not allowed today. anything today. X had called the taw Minister cm the question o f Pondicherry SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : I submit that the distribution of the same must be stopped for the time being till you finally make up ' SHRI SHYAMNANDAN • MISHRA : your mind. hon. Member' of MR. SPEAKER : That can be ■ 'V&r to submit that ■' * ;i«th»;ooourred* '-The constdewd. m Rt, Bistribtition of APRIL 3, 1974 caitndan 300 to i i a (*fv r): m u m w $ m , SHRI iYOTIRMOY BOSU : $*sm. MR SPfcAKIR After ail thc\ are SHRI H N MUKFRJFb rose— there They are historical reproductions Tomorrow >ou will say that there are manv SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI Why places m Delhi, why are they standing there should you get up Mr Mukerjce > i had as permanent reminders of certain tyranny got up. but in deference to Mr Gopalan, The case is not like that and so simple I sat down The Speaker even looked at nie and asked me to get up SHRI S A SHAMIM Does it mean that history is to be written like this ** Sir this is a very delicate subject, and, if my hon friends opposite will excuse me, MR SPEAKER it is a few individuals I think no useful p rpove vull be served in fu>l the whole community We arc '«r\ prolonging a discussion on it proud of our good relations writh Muslim community but not tyrants Whv identify SOME HON MFMBERS Stop it community with them ** (tnterruptton\) THF PRIME MlNISTfcR, MINISTFR SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI 1 OF ATOMIC SNERGY. MINISTER OF may be mistaken, but 1 was told that the FL HCTRONfCS AND MINISTER OF distribution has stopped SPACE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANHDT) nwp— AN HON MkMBIR No (Inter- ructions > SHRI A K GOPALAN (Palghat) It u not * question of only a calendar being SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI Thw distributed- There « no objection tf a was the information which was given to calendar it distributed by the Secretariat me If it w incorrect. I shall look into it Bui the calendar that to distributed con- agam. tains pictures which go agaww* the policy of Government in regard to national inte- SHRI PILOO MODV And also dismiss gration and ateo communal harmony It the person who gave you wrong Information. m Me. Distribution of APRIL 3, 1974 offensive eaj g d*r* 204 SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI : The SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI : The hon. House is quite right in being concerned State Government n»y be mistaken, l am about the pictures or written matters which not condoning these pictures at all, I can hurt any one community or all have strong feelings about picture*, and I communities or anybody, and Government do not particularly like this type of pictures, certainly is not in favour of such things. but unfortunately in India—1 do not mean But some events are part of history. I just this particular calendar—such pictures do not say that they should be portrayed which are supposed to be realistic pictures, or not, but we should also be able to see as the hon. Speaker has said, are distributed them in perspective. 1 think that we should and they do exist. I am not condoning so train our children and our young people them in any way, because my views happen as well as others not to get excited about to be different. But we have to see the something that has happened long ago. matter in the context of what has been SHRI iNDRAJrr GUPTA : Have you happening in the country. seen the pictures ? Now. the question is* (a) whether they SHRI S. A. SHAMIM : Old men also should have been distributed- That is are excited. for the hon. Speaker to decide and take a decision for the future on such distribution. SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI : AU right; old men also are. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : Such things are there elsewhere a ho. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : Historical pictures should not have been depicted (Interruptions) in this particular fashion. Please have SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI : Else- a look at them, (Interruptions). where—we should certainly look into it. MR. SPEAK FR : Will you please listen As I said, I may have been given wrotg to the Prime Minister ? information, but I was under the impression that the distribution has been stopped. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BOSU ; Out of 12 If it has not been stopped, it will be looked pictures, seven are definitely bad. We into. I should like to make one other certainly welcome the other five pictures commcnt. The Government of Punjab which depict fighting against British might have acted unimaginatively bat I imperialism. (Interruptions). Please have do not think there jwu any deliberate in* a look at them. tention to hurt anybody or to go against our SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI : I secular policy, I must say the Punjab think that we arc ail aware of the sense of Government ts an entirely secular Gove*** the Howe now, and we can take action racnt and the Ministries are specially doa« accordingly. No purpose will be served by oemed about the minorities. having a discussion here. SHRI S. A. SHAMIM i You are actually SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : ooodoning Ibis, whatever you may i»y, The point is that ft has already been dis- tributed. What do you s«r about it* distribu- SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI i 1 am tion by a State Government which Is an act not condoning it. I am merely saying that against tbe policy of the Government ft Is a delicate subject and let m not say of India. What is the effect of this ? something wbksa may p w m oiw r rc- (/nterruptlottsX pereawions and wsksMom. H fckatiU m c h a i t r a b , 189<5 (SAKA) offensive calendars ;i06 to MPs. s*yiiij. S> far »s this psurticuIsir subject is Today, so many paper* have been iaki cotttwraed' we can look into it. if the On the Table of tbeHotwe. This is one more. distribution bas not been stopped. then This is an interesting report. v it will be looked into. MR. SPEAKER ; No question of laying PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE it. 1 have not allowed it. (Rajapur) : Mr. Speaker, S ir.... PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : We {Interruptions) want protection, In the name of the Prime Minister, some Minister should not say This ii a different matter. I am raising something. something else. (Interrupt ions) m I have brought to your notice a very serious issue. The Minister of a State Government says that 5.000 Congressmen should go to MR. SPEAKER. : What is that ? Poona to beat the opposition. PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : You MR. SPEAKER : You cannot get up know that the Prime Minister is visiting abruptly and bting any matter before the Poona on the 6th of this month. One of House without previous notice to the the Ministers of Maharashtra has declared Speaker. Today, we have to hear Mr. that when the Prime Minister goes to Poona GokhaJe. on ths 6th of this month, 5.000 Congress- man should go to Poona with unbroken aft ** ftwpl: ifcft mSt *r snfa bim bos to beat the opposition. A report *m% mrft art =r?l * t which has appeared tn 'Maratha' has (Interruptions) orrie.l tike full facts of what he has sak». SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI : I (interruptions) only want to draw your attention and the This isdsttroying the freedom of organisa> attention of the hon. House to the threat t ion* We have no objection to the Prime which was given by the Mayor previously, Minister going to Poona. She his the right before this reply was given. In the heat of to express her views. the moment and argument, the Minister (Interruptions) may have said something. (Interrupt fatts) But, the report says that 5,000 Congress* msn should go to Poona with unbroken PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : We button:** to b*tl ihe opposition. are maintaining utmost restraint. The Prime Minister has the right to express (iHterruptfom) her views in a public meeting. We do not MSt. SPEAKER V Please do not get up' deny that right to the Prime Minister. without my permission. I have not allowed (fnterruprkms) ■Jay motion. Today, wehave to hear Mr, MR. SPEAKER : After aff, the Speaker must have previous intimation. Do not PROP. MADHU DANDAVATE : Sir. get up abruptly. I have no knowledge yourself. l am about any motion. You get up abruptly and then say something. 207 Expenditure out of APRIL 3, 1974 Pondicherry Cans. Fund (St.) PROF. MADHU DANDAVATE : The did not, as a result of which the Govern- Prime Minister has Mid that tn the hent of ment fell. The budget and financial state- the moment, the Minister may have said ment was forwarded by that Government something. If this is ?o, then, he should to the Central Government on the 29th. have issued a statement saying that this It reached here sometime in the forenoon was not coriectly reported of 29th when Parliament was In session. The following of the procedure which is incum- SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : The hon. Prime Minister said that it was in bent for laying financial matters before the House was practically impossible on the the heat of the moment that the Minster reacted I ask you, Sir, to consider whether same day, because it is not a question of merely banging a Bill for vote on account. sending a private arm> oi 5.000 to invade the citv of Poona had beeirdone tn the heat We have to place the financial statement of the moment before the House, bnng the full budget and lor a shorter duration bring a vote on {interruptions) account Bill also in the form of an Appro- priation Bill which is to be passed by Parlia- MR SPFAKtR . We pass on to the ment 29th March wait the last working next item day for Parliament m March as Parliament wav not sitting on 30th and 31st March and 13 fcrs 1st Apm. So, if the vote on a account STATEMENT RE PRESIDENTS ORDER had to be passed by the House, it had to be IN RHGARD TO THE AUTHORISATION passed on the 29th, which for reasons 1 Ob FVPENDITURE OL'T OF CONSOLI- mentioned just now, was not practicable DATTD FUND OF PONDICHERRY at all When it wav forwarded from there, it is not as it we accept mechanically all MR. SPEAKER : Shn GoLhate wilt the proposals wtnch had been made by the now reply to the points raised yesterday Union Territory for incorporation in the THE MINISTER Ob LAW, JUSTICE financial statement to be laid before the AND COMPANY AH* AIRS (SHRI H R. House. The proposals have to be scrutinised GOKHALfc) . Sir. 1 heard yetterda* with and a proper financial statement has to be great care and attention the comment* prepared and a full budget has to be laid made b> hon. members on the othrr side before the House, and for the interim with legard to both the legality and the penod. in order that expenditure from the propriety of the two notifications mucd Consolidated Fund may be incurred, a by the President under the Unton Tcrntoi;es vote on account Bill has to be placed before Act I will deal with both the aspects which the House. Doing it on the 29th would are clearly involved in considering this have meant printing of at least 1 {Shri Sczhiyan] still two days less-~30th and IM . sion or a statutory provsi<«i for any contem- Did he come before the House *ad ask plation by the President or tbe Executive to the house that this was a sftoritan and this withdraw the amounts. If moneys are was their difficulty thit .they received the not appropriate** properly it is only misap- budget only at 12 O’clock and so they requir- propriation of public funds. Therefore ed some time. If he had said that this we raised the question here at about 1 O' House should meet on 30th pr 31st Mf rch, clo?k and the Ghsir shared our misgivings. we would have been very gted to oblige the And the hon. Minister now comes to the Government . I want to make one thing House and says that the Budget was very clear that it is not our intention to received in the forenoon of tbe 29th. deny the monies to Pondicherry Govern- ment ; it is also not our Intention to scuttle W n it prevented th: Minister or the Gover- the functioning of the Government. Our nment to come the House at least before 6 O’ intention Is to see that Parliament, in this clock on the same day and explain the posi- process, should not be by-passed. And tion ? He c d u M have told us that he received an unconstitutional law should not benwde it only at 12 O'clock and he required by the highest forum of the Government some time or we may give some solution. and that too by the highest executive he»d Tbut is why he has come up before the of this country. House. Therefore, what prevented them to utilise First of alt there ha< been a contempt— the opportunity of 30th and 31st March? a callous contempt—of the proceedings of 1 think that suggestion was made by Shri this House. When we raised this point, Bosu also that we could sit on Satuiday. nobody took care to explain the position But, no reply came. Tbe only reaction to the House. The House is the proper that we had was from the Deputy Speaker forum Th« should have been done first. when he made a suggestion that there Is Before I mike other observations, 1 a tivewire that wiU convey the message. would like to be eniigh’ened on one thing. I think due to power failure and power The Uw Minister begin his submission crisis that ltvewire did not act on 29th. by saying that what he did was legal and Regarding Orissa incident which we proper. I do not know why he thinks quoted, the hon. Minister made a mention that this is legal and proper. By saying this, and said that he wen* to the same source. doe* be presume that to do something proper He being a legal luminary and also he hi can da southing illegally ? We are had been a judge of the high court arguing about what is legal and not whit he thinks as proper Here it is ! do concede that I f m not a lawyer b> illegal. You may think it is proper learning or by profession and 1 am just you mxy think It Is practical. But, a layman. In this case he says that it is why don‘t you come before tbe House dififerent from Pondicherry. I do Agree and say thit this is our difficulty. that Orissa is a State but Poftdfcherr* is a onion territory and Orissa hi a big state Then, Sir, he says that 29th being of about 500 miles in site geographical!) the last day, be had no other go, 30th Nobody denies an that. You please read was there and 3!st was also them. It is page 336 of the book by Shri gAskdhcf. not the February of a leap year with only Ho body H going to equate Pondkben> 2? diy* all3tied in a calendar. This jvas with Orissa toy any stretch of imagination the month of Match there *#6 What does th*t*ay ? 221 Exptnditureout oj CHAITRA 13, i m (SAKA ) Pondicherry Cons. 222 Fund (St.) themselves the power of this House. Even “For theapproprtation of tbe money if there be difficulty, we do not want to for the State, tbe administration share it with them and we do not want of which has been taken over by to throw the burden on them. That is the the President on the Proclamation main point. The principle underlying issued by Him the budget of (he it is this. If any amount has not been State, according to existing practice withdrawn by the due process of law under is not certified by an Ordinance, the constitutional provision, that is & dear the underlying principle is that case of misappropriation. Whosoever has no money can be spent out of done it. it is a misappropriation of the the Consolidated Fund without the highest order. sanction of Parliament Then, the hon. Minister has said that on Therefore, th» emphasis should be on that day he did not have the figures etc. I this. That is the underlying principle submit that on the same day, namely whether it is for Pondicherry or for OrLvsa the 29th of last month, they had issued the or for U P. or for Tamil Nadu. The Presidential order where the amount had principle bchirul tint is that m> money been indicated as Rs. 5,00,38,000. So, it can be appropriated without the due is not a token lump amount which has been projc>s of the taw that has been laid down indicited, but they have calculated this in the Constitution. amount and mentioned it. Why should they In this one he says that contingency arises not have come forward with the same for pming the Appropriation Bill. Rajya calculations before the House and said S*bhi Hr not in session and so that House that they required so much ? On the 29th has to be sumnonei for this, purpose. March, they were able to prepare the state- There was tune between 29th and 31st, ment giving the figures. Nothing had No time factor was involved here. prevented them from coming before the Did you approach the House and ex- House on the 29th ; if not on the 29th, plain the difficulties? You simply go away at least on the 30th they could have come, in a cavalier way. You simply say that you or even on tbe 31st. After all, the Home received the budget in the forenoon and then has been very obliging. On one occasion, you convc to the House after three or four the Members were called for a session at dayi and say that you did not have time. 10.00 p.m. and we all came huniedly in Was any attempt madeon the date to explain in order to make tbe Finance Bill proper. to u> that there is a difficulty ? The difficulty We had obliged them on that occasion. was not that of the Executive nor of the President. If tit all there was a difficulty, Similarly, we would have obliged them in that should have been experienced by this this case also. Even if anybody had refused, House. And this is the House which has the sense of the House would have prevail- got the power. Why should you arrogate to ed. beeausc they have got a majority, a very yourself the position, the power and conciliatory and helpful majority. From authority o f this Home. Why did this side atso we would haw helped in this not you come to the House and situation, and nobody would have prevent- sa y . .;<*«». your difficulty? ed it. If only they bad come forward before The HoUse would have appreciated the the House, the House also would have been di&ulty or j ^ k and would have devised responsive enough. Therefore, 1 do not ways to it. Therefore, my submission know why (hey wanted to resort to this w ■ that Oovertttamt have appropriated - to ' procedure. *23 ExpemHmr* oui of APRIL 3, 1974 Pwdtektm Gem. 224 (St,) (Shri Sezhiytn) or of the legislature coacewtwd> ** fck&hnit*! Then* the hon. Minister has made use or consequential. o f Motion 51. The other day itself 1 had quoted this section. Today he made two then, he eeferrad to section 32 m a pase- point*. He (im took up article 239 A and iitg way. He stated that then had bean then article 51: Of course, even in section specific cases where the statute gave powers 51 o f the Act itself it is dearly aids that it to the President. I had quoted this section has to be read with article 239. T hetextof also the other day. It says ; section 51, itself says : ‘In accordance with the provisions of article 239..* So, “The Administor may authorise such section 51 has to be read with article 239. expenditure from the Consolidated Article 239 says in the very opening words : Fund of the Union territory as he deems necessary for a period “Save as otherwise provided by Parlia- of not more than six months ment by law, every Union territory beginning with the date of the shall be administered by the Presi- constitution of the Consolidated dent, a ctin g...” Fund of the Union territory. . . .** Then, wc have article 239 A which relates So, this was only for the transitional to the creation of the legislature etc. I period. At the time o f the constitution of would Bkc to emphasise the opening words the Consolidated Fund o f the Union terri- o f article 239 namely ‘Save as otherwise pro- tory, for sut months they gave this power. vided by Parliament bylaw*. If Parliament 1 want to know whether there is any provi- provides by law, then that can become the sion giving such a power to the President exclusive of the Jurisdiction of the President for any subsequent period. If he can quote tinder article 239. me some specific provision where he has the power subsequently also. i.e. after six mon- Then he has quoted section 51 again ths, say, on the dissolution of an Assembly, to say that the President has got the power or if he can point out any law which has to suspend certain Provisions and the been passed by Parliament giving that power, President can make such incidental or conse- then I could understand it and it would be quential provisions as may appear to him quite valid. to be necessary. We have conceded tikis. But what is the meaning of suspension ? Therefore, quoting this one in As I said earlier, he has not suspended only cloud the issue before us. very many sections which I had read out Then 56—-removal of difficulties. Hie other day, such as sections 27 to 31 In regard to this case of removal of difficul- which deal mainly with financial questions. ties, he concedes that it should not be Of Course, 1 concede one thing here, inconsistent with the provisions Of this and this was a point which was raised Act. Theft there are 29 and 31. These are by Shri Somnath Chatterjee also the other two very important provisions. There day, namely where suspension creates any difficulties, the incidental or consequential again I wty o» this : things would Bow out o f the suspension, "Subject to the otter provfcioo* o f this but it cannot touch those sections which re- Act*— main in fact. Even than, 1 do not think that be Is going to considerthe withdrawals o f ♦Other provisions* meant the other money, which is a basic power o f P|*»anwit * 325 Expenditure out 0/ CHAITRA 13, 1 ^ iSAKA) Pondicherry Cota. 226 Fund (St.) “no money *haH be withdrawn from the Prime Minister and other* also. Hits Consolidated Fund”. « not a party question. There » a vote on account and other MR. SPEAKER : Let me know what is tilings. I do not think we can stretch this. the remedy. If we did so, we would be cought in a vicious circle.. You go from section 29 to 56; SHRI SEZHIYAN : Let them Hist accept again you come to 29. And you are caught the position that the President has not got in a vicious circle. Here ‘subject to the this power and only Parliament has this other provision*’ is very explicitly clear. Power. Then I am prepared to sit with Then we have 31, which is more reliable. them and discuss as to what we should do. They should not do anything which is "Notwithstanding anything in the fore- unconstitutional, ultra vires and illegal. going provisions of this Act, the An illegal act cannot be justified. Probably Legislative Assembly of the Union the Law Minister may think that it is proper Territory shall have power to make (Interruptions). I appeal to the Prime Minis- any grant in advance.../' ter. This is not a party issue-DMK ADMK* CPI or any other. We are not involved in Tins Non*obstante clause means that it this. It is a question of the power of is exclusive by itself. That means, only Parliament, the power of the legislature. the Legislative Assembly here substituted at Parliament, has got the power to do SHRI 1NDRAJIT GUPTA : I do not this. agree with that. All this proclaimed concern for a vote on account could have been avoid- He poses another question : What would ed if the vote on account was allowed to be happen If the Assembly had got dissolved passed there. But there was unseemly on 31 st March ? Our law is not based on hypo- haste to topple the Ministry and from thetical question. If there is a hypothetical that followed these unseemly things. question be should have come before the SHRI SEZHIYAN : What was done House and taken its advice and consent there was constitutional ; what is now before doing this. being done here is unconstitutional and illegal. SHRI INDRAJfT GUPTA : Felony is 1 fed that this fundamental power compounded. to grant or withhold gran* to the executive, which has been acclaimed SHRI SEZHIYAN : I would request Shri as the basic feature of Parliamentary demo- Gupta not to mix the political issue with cracy; has been given a go-by by what has this. This is a constitutional issue. It been done. Parliament loses its significance, may happen tomorrow in Kerala; «t can democracy loses its meaning if the power happen anywhere. This is a point concern* is taken for appropriating amounts without ing the supremacy of the legislature to adopting the proper procedure, Such a grant funds. That has been eroded. It course only amounts to misappropriation. is not a question of this Government A misappropriation of the highest order or that Government falling. it being committed by the highest executive of tfc state in the country in the federal Therefore, I want your ruling on this. sci-np. We wiH m ist it The haste displayed by Government has not only been Indecent; it has been undemo- My ppfat It *ety M e . t appeal to the cratic and unconstitutional. 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SPEAKER : He quote* section an illusion that the Union Territories 36 of Union Territory Act function m a world of their own and no financial rules and procedures, as applied • 56«r*#«rrTfrg i to the States or the Centre, applj to them. M % \ This ih indeed not fair Tim indeed is not correct Thts ts the overwhelming impression # «m^tr mr «rr m «t fa 29( s) «&▼ which the hon Law Minister has tried 114( 3) n w |r fa ijfam Wfhr to create that tht> function ma universe Of Ij^SE IIW W their own, and that the financial rules and {$hri Shyam Naodan MtshreJ the Constitution to vaHmm aspects of tiie not as illegal step, but a legal step~should administration wiU go outside ihe saope have boon taken. He should have taken of the Constitution? Parliament has a extraorriinry steps by calling for tbe sittings dual role which is not extinguished sines the of the House even on the holidays. If minister says that it is only the Union the Government came before us to Territories Act which will govern the get assent to such a measure, then we Parliament in administering the Union as tfe Hou&e of the People would have Territory. Parliament will function under been in a position to give the assent the fundamental constraints of the Consti- After securing the assent of the House tution. Parliament cannot diveri itself from of tbe people, the Government would have them. So. the Law Minister in urging issued an Ordinance which would before the House that an unprecedented have had tbe force of a legislation. Situation had arisen and therefore an illegal They have tried to do it thiottgh an act had to be resorted to has not been fair order and the enormity or passing an to the House. Thece could have been a order cannot be ignored by Parliament. legal act for the same purpose. Tbe legal Ordinance is a form of legislation and that act was that the assent of the House of the this would have to be regularised later People could have been taken and then on. an ordinance issued. I concede that Urn is not wholly desirable. If the MR. SPEAKER : Your previous vote on account requires to be passed arguments have been negatived by this new that would require the approval of both suggestion. the Houses. Since the other House was notin session. I suggested this half-way SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA : measure—that the assent of this House No Sir. taken even on a holiday and then an MR. SPEAKER : Thu is what happened ordinance could have been issued, la Orissa, The ordinance had to be with- which at least is a form of drawn. legislation. But the order is not legal, tt is something arbitrary. It does not require SHRI SYHAMNANDAN MISHRA : to he passed again by the House. But the After the aasent of the House, I say. As I ordinance would require to be passed bj said yesterday, it is the House of the the House later. So, there was ftpMpetf step People and not Parliament which is indicated in this matter which they did not mentioned in article 757(c). take. Bat my further subnmion DO (tie Chair would be, if the Chair was indulgent enough If it is granted that the same rules and to the hon. Law Minister yesterday procedures apply to the Union Territories to give one day's time the Chair should also, Parliament would bring to bear the be indulgent enough to us alio 10 give relevant article of the Constitution. further time to eoMt&r this iftsttcr, «t> It would not be right to submit that the that we can come forward wfch some Parftament jfiexereisiog its fantkms tinder constructive propovals to fiftd • way out the Unton Territories Act would be freei^ ofthecaMrss-riowNch wfc^onmehe* M r from the fundamental constraint* itm iw*Wit fay th e /SmMJltotirtfi, £ k» YOU Ihfalr ihtt tw g|nfltt|. which h«* to fffflllMt Midi s u m i m w m m m *wb(ji tojtppfr NM*b E m ) :C m M I W * * * 2S3 Expenditure out of CHAITRA 13, 1*96 (SAKA) Pondicherry Com. 234 Futtd (St*) tbit sinoe Government avoidably or article 368 would not apply. But tbe unavoidably, concede that they have Article 368 relates only to the procedure for disregarded Parliament to tte extent the amendment of the Constitution of not having come before us on (he 29th, Government should submit tt with an ap- SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA . (Jatnagar): propriate word of apology to this House, After hearing the Law Minister one gets and then meetings could be held, not neces- the impression that in spite of all the labour Mtrify in this House but in some other forum, that he has made, he has actually no case to find a way out of this imbroglio That to defend but he lacks the courage to admit could be done very easily with some hand- the mistake There ts no party question some word or whatever you call it here This is a clear cut case* of disregard* mg Parliament if we accept this position* SHRI H.R. GOKHALE . Lcveryonc of then it would be a bad precedent for the these arguments was made yesterday and ftiiurc So, I would request >ou, Sir, not 1 do not s » any single nsw point, and to allow the Government to lay the papers everyone of them I have dealt with in m\ on the Table It would be better for the opening speech I would like to mention Government to have the courage to admit only two things now the mistake A reference was made that I, as it were, MR SPEAKER After listening to the gave the impression that so far a* the Union points raised yesterday and after listening Ten (tones are concerned, they are not to to the reply given by the Law Minister, my be governed b> a procedure which applies view is that the fttunetal procedure* and to financial matters 1 did not My any thing money grants are purely withm the juris* like that. How can any such impression dtetion of this Parliament The Law arise ? AH that 1 dearly said was that the Minister, after saying everything in defence powers of the Assembly of the Union Terri- of the action of the Government, said very tory am not to be exercised by Parliament, appropriately at the end of tu& speech that when the Parliament function* as an if he is not correct in any way, he is In tbe Assembly and follow the same procedure hands of Parliament which the Assembly follows, and that proce- dure ts elaborately given in the Union 14 bn. Territories Act, which I concede will ha\e Secondly, i am not going to allow this tn be followed by Parliament before the order to be laid on the Table of the House FinaoaaJ 1$ passed. at present. As suggested by Shn Sezhiyan, I am not dealing with the whole ground Shn Shyamnandan Mishra, Prof. Mukeqoe again. 1 am dealing with only one or two and some other friend*, we have to find a points. way-out, if there was some lapse or some omission, we shall have to find a remedy. SHRI SHYAMNANDAN MISHRA . Sir, 1 think, it is better that the Law Minister you vyould be pleased to recall that tbe and the Finance Minister jom us at our bon. taw Minister baa said that trade 239 meeting which I may call ...... gfoea powers wfefeb may be tooonwtient SHRI S.M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) * what witfc the povlsfcwft « f tbe Act, may be in* about calling the Attorney-General * < m m m «4fe Hie Coustkutiott itself. He MR. SPEAKER : Whatever be the Thg«l*% I* trying to point out that lapses, we must find a way-out After afi. 235 Re. Strike by Gent. Ins. APRIL 3* 1974 Procurement St Pricing 236 employees Polky of wheat 1974-7/ (Dfe.) [Mr. Speaker.] on strike from the 8th April, 1974. This Pondicherry is in India. On broader cottsi- is purely & Central matter. The Finance derations, I willcaU a meeting of the leaders Minister and the Deputy Minister am of paities in which the Finance Minister here. I am surprised that an agreement and Law Minister may participate. Do reached with the Corporation is not being you want the meeting to be held today ? accepted by the Finance Ministry. I would Let us meet the day after tomorrow at request you to ask the Finance Minister 4.00 p.m. to make a statement on the 5th April, to avoid the impending strike. If the stiike SHRI S.M. BANERJEE : Tomorrow takes place, they will be solely responsible is a holiday. for that. On behalf of the Association, MR. SPEAKER : The holidays have I request you, Sir, to ask the Finance played havoc on him. If there were n > Minister to make a statement. Otherwise, holidays, there would have been no there will be an all India strike. difficulty. Now we pass on to the next business. 14.04 hr*. DISCUSSION RE ; PROCUREMENT Re PROPOSED STRIKE BY GENERAL AND PRICING POLICY OF WHLAT INSURANCE EMPLOYEES FOR 1974-75 SEASON MR. SPEAKER : There is a motion by SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: (Kanpur); Sir. Shri B.V. Naik and Shri Madhu Limayc I want your permission to make a submis- to raise a discussion on the statement made sion. by the Minister of agriculture in the House MR. SPEAKER : Kindly give something on the 28th March, 1974, regarding the in writing. procurement and pricing policy of wheat for the 1974-75 season. The time allotted SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : This is about is five hours. the proposed strike by the General Insurance: Employees: they are going on strike from Shn B.V. Niik. 8th April, 1974. * S HRI B.V. NAIK (Kanara): The pricing The General Insurance employee* are policy for wheat and also the policy in regard agitated over the attitude of the Govern- to procurement which the Hon, Minister ment who have not accepted the agreement for Food and Agriculture has laid on the readied between the ATI India General Table, after a considerable amount of Iittwwiee Employees' Association and the experience which he has gained in the course Corporation. You had allowed a question of the last many years, white in brief it can here, Sir. where the Finance MinKtcr re* bcdeseribedasasortofareaMcatep may plied that negotiation* were going oh. I also be considered as a tort ofa compromise am told today that the negotiation* have with the realities that have been prevailing failed because of the rigid attitude of the m this sub’ConUoent. Finance Ministry The General Insurance And one of the hardest wHWrn I* the Employees* Association have given a cat! violence, the violent in the sulxotrtUient and have alto written a letter to the Finance which has erupted right fnm G u ja ra t to Minister that, it no negotiated settlement Mahararfum god many w j b m m u m m is reached, they would be at liberty to go tlie country. 237 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) policy of wheat for 238 Pricing 1974-75 (Dis,) 14.06 hr** tion of this Essential Ccirmcdities Act, modified as it is going to be, with stringent [Mr. Deputy Speaker in the ChairJ controls, greater penalties, greater fines, if it is staffed by such a skeletal staff, it may White it is appreciable that many of the be difficult for New Delhi itself to administer hoo. Members of the Opposition wilt deal this entire new programme. Either reinforce- with this as a matter of triumph, justifiably ment of the staff at the Centre or with the so* because it ts the triumph of the whole- States, m the form of cells, to work as watch- saler in the country who for about 3000- dogs of the Central Government, of the 5003 years has sucked the blood of the Ministry of Food and Agriculture and of peasantry in this country, who has sucked Commerce, —should be created in each one the blood of the farmers in this country of the State Capitals, if not further down and to that extent, the extreme reactionary the line. This is my respectful submis- elements Have a reason to bioat over their sion. In respect of entire foodgrains. as success to the extent that a compromise has per the rtilc of the thumb, we may produce been made. But, as in many other fields near about 100 million tonnes each year. of natural progress, there will be periods You may put it this way or that way. in which a temporary retreat, a temporary In this year we had expccted 124 million going back: on our proclaimed goafs will tonnes which hope may not be completely only mean that we may be loving a few fulfilled. But the reality of the situation battles here and them but the victory in the is this. This country inevitably and always ultimate war, the war on poverty, the war has been a net importer of foodgrains against exploitation in this country, wilt cxecpt for one year, that is 1971*72 when we have to be achieved provided we bring procured 5 1 million tonnes and we distri- into this operation an adequate amount buted 5 109 million tonnes. In 1967-68 of the political and the economic will which our production was 11 million tonnes and is the crying need of the hour today. our procurement was 0.8 million tonnes. The most operative part of the policy What we distributed during the year was ' document from the general to the specific 6.9 million tonnes or sa>„ 7 million tonnes, is that it says that the trader will be brought f will not bother you with all the details, back, he wilt be asked to procure anywhere till the year 1973-74, w.wn our procure- from 5 to 6 million tonnes, he will be licensed, ment has been 4.5 millions and distribution there will be stringent controls, there will 5.4 miHions of tonnes. In other words be a watch over the movement of food* it only means this, that we have been always grains and particularly in the surplus States, a net importer of foodgrains and these there will be a hike in the price that is to foodgrains have boen channelled through be paid to tbe farmer, these mil also be our public distribution system. By food- a hike in the price or a revision in the price grain here I mean wheat. par quintal and it will be Rs. 125 and that the entice trade to be carried on by the Only a couple of years back we were in trader, whether inside the State or in between a position to distribute something which the States, wilt be carried on under the we had procured ourselves and the principle 4taect sepervmoa and control of the govern- commodity being wheat, the rest of the mwaal machinery. In this behalf one of commodities being not strictly under control, the handicaps bus been that of the Ministry we can take it, what is good enough for of C m m sm which is dcattns itself with wheat is good enough for the rest of the m a«Miet of internal trade, is swflfed grains in this country. So. now the question with * skeleton staff. Bor the implementa- is; What does that bring us to ? We 239 Procurement and Pricing APRIL 3, 1974 policy of wheat for 240 1974-75 (D is.) [Shri B.V. Naik] taking over of stocks of the entire food- started more than a year ago with total grains, I would say that they will also monopoly procurement and take over of have to see to it that this second line of the trade of wheat. We thought of going defence or the third line of defence, is ade- over to rice. But at the appropriate time quately guarded. In case, when the time when the rice crop was to come we were comes, we should see that we are in a posi- not able to find either our procurement tion to depend upon our own sources of machinery or the machinery for distribu- supply wherever they may be or whoever tion and naturally we had to give it a go-by. it may be and from all over the world. Why Thereafter now we have been in a jjosition I say is this. Optimistically the Ministry to commission tiie trader once again. In of Agriculture in Krishi Bhavan has this sub-continent we are faced always with good grounds to cover in taking the the question of import versus internal pro- decision but, what about the support of duction. In 1972, September, if I remember the traders who have a long three thousand aright, our hon. Minister of State for Agri- years’ history of their own in this country? culture, Shri Annasaheb Shinde, a knowledg- What do you think about the bankers, the able person, was very optimistic about our indigenous money-lenders and absentee internal production. landlords which are essential things for the success of the wheat trade takeover. As He had gone on to say on the floor of this I have said before, if Marx were to re- House that the Government does not think examine the conditions in India today, it fit to import any foodgrains this year. he would not have been biased in favour But, unfortunately, either climate, drought of urban socialism which has been the pre- or other conditions compelled us to go in ference of most of the people in this country. for it. We should really thank our northern He would have bsen a rural socialist. There- neighbour, the U.S.S.R., for having given, fore, I would say that we should not place without our asking for it, about 2 million all our eggs in one basket. Six million tonnes of foodgrain;. tonnes is the procurement from the internal While we do ao iresiate and while we traders in this country. My question is: would not like to I ibd any section of the suppose this pious hope does not materia- Indian society as anti-national or reactionary, lise. What is the second line of defence? if we have to take up the responsibility of What is the alternative contingent plan ? feeding the millions in this country. I would like, more than on ideological considera- Let us know the contingencies to which tions, technological considerations should we look forward to without any inhibitions weigh with our Ministry of Agriculture for in that line. The entire question, when the import of food. The world’s slock of hon. Minister was present, came up for foodgrains is limited, its location is also discussion as early as on 8th October 1972 limited. We should be in a position to at the Gandhinagar Session of the A.I.C.C. see which one of the enemy's we should What many of us in the past said privately choose to face. We have been dealing with and on the political platform we stand by the exploitative section, of which you are it. This is only a stop-gap arrangement. familiar with, for the last twenty-five years. We stand by it. What will be the possible Without parochial and patriotic sentiments, challenge to the foodgrains distribution I would only say that we shoLild meet this in this country ? Though the figures may from whichever source it may come from. look rather higher, we may have to remember As regards the ventures of the Government's one thing that we have not less than 17 or 241 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) policy of wheat for 242 Pricing 1974-75 (Dis.) 18 State Governments—the entire State’s tial commodities; when it is broken up into apparatus is at our disposal, a micro-economic scene, it will come to about 500 tonnes of foodgrains per year MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There are per distribution point or per outlet point; 21 and not 17 or 18 States. 500 tonnes per year with a working period of 250 days would come to approximately SHRIB. V. NAIK: I am subject to correc- 20 tonnes per distribution point; 20 tonnes tion. I remember it now. And I shall is hardly 200 quintals. After 26 or 27 years commit it to my memory. of administrative experience in free India, do we not have the expertise, the skill, In the circumstances, by the rule of the ability as well as the will to create such thumb, this country need not reach the points all over the country to serve a popu- goals of nationalisation of the well-organised lation of about 5,000 people, 5000 people oligopolistic sector in our country, the big per point and 100,000 points would mean business houses, big firms, the oil cartels 50-60 crores of people. Can we not find o ut and others. The first charge of socialism such a system of distribution points each of any brand of Indian socialism in this of which in the course of a day’s working country will be to regulate, organise and for 8 to 10 hours is capable of distributing socially control the competitive non-oligopo- not more than 20 tonnes per day or 200 listic sector in this country. This is re- quintals per day ? I think that with the presented by these foodgrains traders, the unemployment problem in our country, small producers in respect of the essential wiih the unemployed graduates in our commodities for the people in this country. country who are going abegging for jobs, That should account for abundant work their number being not lakhs but nearly in and programming at least for the next millions, it is possible for us with the availa- many years. The principle charge on the socialist programmes in this countiy is this. ble expertise, without any import, without any import of any technology or What does that mean ? Statistical lies without even any import of ideology to be could be the worst lies that we can invent. There can be quotations of statistics, but in a position to fashion out such a distri- many of our farm statistics are far from bution system and this distribution system exact and far from real. There are about shall work as the bulwark of the Indian 56 crores of people in this country. Taking socialist society that we are going to build. the urban non-farm-producing and non- growing population and the rural poor, Time and again, as was stated by one approximately it will be a challenging task of our friends, the right of the right and for the Food Ministry here as well as in the left of the left, the urban socialists and the State Governments to feed about 25 the right reactionaries have been very much to 28 crores of people. To feed them satisfied tliinking that this is the ultimate either under a monopoly system of procure- thing, and that step No. 2 would come to a ment or to see to it that their bare necessi- reversal of the entire State trading in food- ties are met would mean a gigantic task. grains. I do not think that we would be But when it is broken up, I repeat again reversing but this is only a technical con- what I said on the 8th October, 1972 at cession. Gandhinagar, for brushing up our memory, a hundred thousand distribution points capable of distributing about 5 crore SHRI S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur) : tonnes of foodgrains besides the other essen- Tactical concession. 243 Procurement and Pricing APRIL 3. 1974 POt% ^7s^Sm ft ^ SHRI B. V. NAIK : I am glad that I am or the various agencies procuring, storing, corrected. 1 have the humility to accept warehousing, distributing and take it it and say that it is a tactical concession. and transporting it to the consumer. We are only concerned with this that the MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Would he Government should come out after a de- say strategic retreat ? tailed study as to what portion of the consumer rupee will go to the fanner. Any SHRI B. V. NAIK : It has been my good producer, whether he be a producer of food fortune to say that vvc should be in a position or fish or for that matter any produce, will when the time comes to ct»ll» spade a spade. be interested in the maximisation of his SHRI S. M. BANhRJfcE : It is one step net return on his production enterprise. forward and two steps backward, This is an elementary economic precept basea on the marginaltstic school, not based SHRI B, V. NAIK : That was Lenin in on the theory of value, nor based at all on the reverse. * Marxism or neo-Marxism. Unless and until we accept it. no r<*ce would be good As regards the rate of Rs. 105 that has enough to the farmer. been given to the farmer in this country, time and again it has been oui endeavour PROF. MADHU DANDAVATB to find out the ultimate economic basis of (Rajapur) : No reference should be made the pricing of whc*»t or of rice or of the to Marx, because he is not here to defend levy rates that we are imposing on rice himself. or other commodities tike sorghum. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He ts wind- ing up; let him. What is the basts ? We have always been told that it is a remunerative price to the SHRI B. V. NAIK : There are a few mmi- grower and a reasonable price to the consu- mers. We can indulge with the clever- Marxs here who will defend him. ness at our command and at the command By and large* it is now fashionable to see of Krishi Bhavan in this tautological exer- to it that whenever a particular line of cise, playing with the words. What is action is taken on the basis of free thought, a reasonable price to the consumer ? One that a person is labelled either as a radical, rupee, Rs. t SO, Rs. 2 pear kilo ? There is ultra-radical, neo-*octa!«stt quaw-socialist, no such basis as what we caU a reasonable crypto-communist, communist, kulak- reason. Similarly, tcmunerative price ~ lobbyist or coca-cota lobbyist and so on. wftat is remunerative ? The basic thing stuh which the Indian farmer or the farmer SHR! JYOTIRMOY BOSU (Diamond anywhere cm* any producer anywhere in this Harbour) i You have said it wide world will be satisfied wit) be when he Is told that out of a rupee which the consu- SHRI B. V, N A I K ; On tbe b»sit of mer pays for his produce, as much as free thought* the Government, by and possible. 80, 85.90 per cent wilt go to him. large, leaving a few stray inictancet in this to the man who sweats, labours and produces country* has received a M r treatment from that particular commodity. Any realistic tbe farmers of this country. M a n y of them, bash for fixation of the price has to rest on particularly, tbe middle and small farmers, this basic principle. We are not going to the working farmers—I am not grift* to debate on the overhead costs of the FCI tny about the absentee landlords-- 245 Procurement at# CHAITRA 13. 1896 (SAKA) policy of wheat for 246 Pinking 1974-75 (D u > have dutifully paid their levy and have SHRI A. K COPALAN (Palghat) dutifully earned out the work assigned to Mr Deputy-Speaker, Str. the food situation them But unfortunately todfy, we see that we find today 1 think, is not due to that the agricultural, productive popu- natural calamities or global calamities but lation has been relegated to th£ role of basically it is the result of the policies being * Cinderella ! hope that this country, pursued by this Government Only two the ruling party as well as this House which years back, the Government declared in is part of the whole political system in this this House that we have become self-suffi- country, the whole political cla^s in this cient in food and we have stopped all imports. country, which is being questioned, Last year, it declared that in order to keep will appreciate where the roots of Indian the public distribution system running, it democracy are and which are the roots has decided to take over the wholesale of Indian democracy which need to be trade m foodgrains This promise wa* strengthened 1 am quite sure that detailed made last year but suddenly on the 28ih thought will be given to this entire question March tbe Minister of Agriculture made of pricing, procurement, distribution and a statement in this House that the Govern* outlet points First and foremost, let us mcnt have dccided to gise up the policy not commit the same mistake which we of State trading in foodgrains He stated did I was one who advocated taking over that despite the good khanf crop the this trade in very very non dubious terms. psychology of shortage prevailing in the countrv has unfottunateh encouraged to I haul stated it even in the part) meeting allow the wholesale dealers m both the Let us not commit a mistake m the ICrishi sectors public and the private -to be Bhavan once again of putting the plough given the authorits of wholesale Hading before tbe bullocks Let tr> have a sense He further stated that it has been decided of pnonty and fashion a perfect fool to allow the wholesale dealers to o pet ale proof, distributive apparaiu> consisting under a system ot licensing and control of a 100,000 outlet points m this country According to his statement in the sutplus and see to it, ii not today, at least tomoi row, States like Pumab Han ana I ttar Pradesh we will make a success of ihi\ wholesale Ratasthan etc so per cent lesv vull be trade in foodgrains imposed on loodgram-> the traders will have to uvc it to ihc Government at a IN D R A Jir SHRI GLPTA (Ahpore) iixtd price and the traders wilt be allowed What will the^ distubutc through those to sell the remaining **{) per cent withm the outlets? Stau and outside at a price which they SHRI B V. NAIK This is an old story like That is the n ost important thing If you wilt permit me, I would like to say They v>ill be allowed to trade inside and that this point had also been made bv outside the State —inside the State any way— Mr Subramaniam- What do we distribute* at a price at which thes like to sell The first question which I would like to pose ts, have the ousting outlet point* or The Minister also announced that there has the existing distribution machinery will be an mcrtast m the purchase price distributed even what it had procured of wheat m the 1974-7*? marketing season, property? No Therefore, 1 am saying, to Rs 105, and the Central issue price of have a perfect distributive system, and then wheat would be Rs 125 per quintal as if y o u have a channel, you will know how against Rs 93 prevalent at present This t o find water to flow through a . policy, 1 say, is nothing but a surrender 247 Procurement and Pricing APRIL : before the landlords and the traders and are mobilised production will not increase. the profiteers both in respect of procurement I have no time to give details but I know fend prices. that in many States land reforms had not been implemented, Even where they are This policy is further going to increase supposed to be implemented, the land above the price of wheat by more than 35 per cent the ceiling had not gone to landless tillers. even in the public distribution system, If they have a little land, they would use leading to a further reduction in the salaries alt their energy so that they may produce of employees as well as wage-eamers. This more to the benefit of both the country will have a disastrous effect on the rural and themselves. areas where the agricultural labourers and other poor people will be left to the mercy of the landlords and the traders. When Government speaks about the technical aspects of agricultural develop- One month back, discussing the price ment, there are two aspects involved : policy on foodgrains, the Economic irrigation and fertilisers. After 27 years Survey stated that it will Inevitably reduce of Independence the total irrigated area the effectiveness of the system of public in our country ts 22 per cent of the culti- distribution m protecting the vulnerable vated area, which includes all categories. sections of society whose paying capacity If there » oil shortage, power shortage, Is bound to be severely limited. Pushing etc. it affects production. . The national the procurement price too high will cer- average per hectare yield of wheat is 83 tainly affect the vulnerable sections of per cent of world average and it is lew society. Fhis vwas what was said m the than fifty per ctsnt of the yield in Europe. Economic Survey which was presented to As for power, yesterday, we heard an answer the House a month back. to a question by which we were told that there was no hope of increasing power Whai ts the result of this new policy? supply to the cultivators. We were also As far as vulnerable sections are concerned, told that it was impossible to import the prices will go up. They will not be more fertilisers due to the difficult foreign able to get it. There will be scarcity. And exchange position. With no power and the vulnerable sections of the society whom no fertiliser, how are we going to increase the Government want to protect are not production? With regard to irrigation, protected. It is only the traders and yesterday we were told that many irrigation profiteers who are protected at the cost of projects which will provide irrigation to vast vulnerable sections. areas are half-complete. In some case work has not even begun. Take Rtyasthan There axe two aspects to the question : Canal for example. If completed production is one; making available the it will bring more water and irrigation surplus is the other. In both these fronts facilities and more can be produced. In Government has miserably failed. We the matter of implementation of land reform® have said in this House times without mobilising the energy of the tillett and the number that the energies of the poor pea- landless labourers or production of fcrtflisei* sants and agricultural labour should be or provision of irrigation fisdUttes or supply mobilised and for that purpose land reforms of power, thews is no hope of inaftftfed sup- must be implemented; only then production ply, I only want tosay that by its new policy. will increase. Unless the energies of Government feu reftised even fe procure landless peasants and tiller* of the soil the marketable mfptet* <** * thc 2A9 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 {SAKA) policy of wheat for 250 Pricing 1974-75 (Dis.) present production. But, on the contrary. why does not the Government use their Government is asking the people to induce machinery to see that surplus stocks are consumption which is already very low taken ? and they do not bother to arrange supply of foodgrains even to thr 40% of (he popu- Sir, Government is talking of cooperation, lation, which the Government calls low 1 would like to say, people are ready to income groups, and in regard to whom. cooperate and they are ready to show Government say that their living standards the places where stocks are hoarded. 1 should be raised. The Government plan may give an example. When people show is to maintain the present distribution system the places where stocks are hoarded and and that also with tbe reduced supply. when they sometimes take the hoarded This covert 16 million of the population stocks and distribute thru to the people, where statutory rationing has been intro- at the price fixed by the Government, they duced and another 39 million where only are arrested and punished. Neither the informal rationing is said to be there. But, Government is able to take over the stocks due u> scarcity, rations, art not available. nor they seek the cooperation of the people. In many places, this is the position. As a result of this policy, the Government is openly legalising profiteering and black* The next thing that I would like to point marketing. By its new policy. Government out is this. Government talks of fighting is gtsing a honourable place to the hoarders the reactionary forces. But when it con [Shri B.R. Bhagat] it forward as one of the basic planks of the Bihar and others. The people are poorer; economic policies and planning. you should not leave them to mercy of the tn 1973, they said that they were going wholsalcrs and higher price; they just can to implement it. But, in 1974, they have not afford it. The vulnerable section of given it up. This is the road which has society in the rural as well as the urban been traversed from 1972 to 1974. Parti- sections and industrial workers must be cularly, I charge this Government with protected. This is my respectful submission. surrendering, to a combined pincer pres- Thank you. sures from the two sidcsr- -cne of the pincers SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA (Alipore): Mr. operates abroad. The World Bank, in Deputy Speaker, Sir, I really fed as though its famous report, which was conveniently this debate resembles the operation of lock- leaked out by somebody - -we do not know, ing the stable door after the horse is stolen. was the subject-matter of the discussion in 1 don't see the practical utility of the post- this House a few days ago. In this noto- mortem. It would have been better if the rious Report, the World Bank claims to Government had a little more good sense, give advice to India. And one of the factors before they proceeded with such a radical was that India should be prepared to import change, to have consulation with the other anything from two to four million tonnes parties in this House. They do not bother of foodgrains in 1974-75. This was their about these things nowadays. advice, wherefrom is it to be imported? Now, Sir, the take-over of wholesale What is the location of the source ? How trade, when it was first announced last year, it will be obtained and on what terms and was doomed from the very outset, from conditions and at what price ? That we the very beginning, because it vested on do not know. And the World Bank did the proposition of the Government that not bother about these little details. Their this wholesale takeover was going to operate advice to the Go\crment of India is this. not on the basis of the marketable surplus If you want to control the food front, but only on the basis of the marketed sur- you must be prepared to import two to plus From the very beginning they made four million tonnes of foodgrains which K ir quite clear to the wholesaler and the big another way of saying ‘don't rely on internal producers and everybody that only on those procurement but you look up for imports amounts of grain which you arc condes- from abroad’. I find that only a week ago. cending to bring to the market—only on that our Commerce Minister, Prof. D.P. —the Government will operate its procure- Chattopadhyaya w ho was seat to Colombo ment policy. To that portion of it which to attend the session of this ECAFR— is not produced in the mandis and in the Economic Commission for Ada and the market and is concealed and hoarded, we Far East—has been reported as urging »« will turn a Wind eye. From the very begin- that meeting for the building up of regional ning this was there, I don’t know whether and International buffer stock* of food to it can be called a loophole because this is a help stabilise the prices. He »ug#sst*i fundamental pre-condition for any success* that ECAFE should enlist the assistance ful takeover. This pre-condition was of the Work! Bank finance this sectoi. given up from the very beginning and this There is a method in all these matters. On betrays a total lack of serious will on the behalf of Government of India our i*prc- part of the Government to carry this out. sentative said to 0* ECAFfi countries at In 1972, the ruling party adopted this Colombo which ochoe® la ft diflfcnw* way policy at its Gandhinagar session putting the san* thine *Y «» be built 261 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) policy of wheal for 262 Pricing 1974-75 (Dis.) up; in order to do that, do not rely on the this 5 to 6 million tonnes of foodgrains internal procurement but go to the Workl on which Government are depending Bank also'. So, this is one pressure that worked. The other pressure is the internal Secondly, they have said something which pressure. The AH India Foodgrains Dealers Government are faithfully echotng now, Association—Federation of all India Food- namelv that the public distribution system grains Dealers-—a year ago, I remember, should be reduced in its scope of activities were demonstrating in the streets of Delhi and in the extent of its activities It is their here when it was announced that the whole* suggestion that only what are called the sale trade of vs heat is to be taken over by vulnerable sections should be covered by Government They demonstrated in the the public distribution system and secondly Streets of Delhi against it with black flags that too should be only m the deficit States, and all that. They did u a few days before otherwise it should be scrapped, that is, the Communist Party brought a few they want to keep a skeleton of the public takhs of people here to support th's And distribution system only in the deficit States a few days before that, they portent !> came and take care only ot what is yet to be in luxurious car* and descended from their dctincd as the vulnerable sections as the vehicles and marched in the sun for a lew Government says In other words, the hours, threatening the Government that if open market has to become the major they take over the wholesale trade, they will field of operations to which the people declare a permanent strike in all the mandis are being told to take recourse Thirdly > Now, Sir, i find on the 29th ot this month - the foodgrains dealers' association have a feu days ago -a press report has appeared estimated a price of Rs ISO per quinta) in which the ! ederation ot Ml-India r ood> in the Wholesale markets on the expecta- grains Traders* Association threw a sugges- tion that the prices in the mandts will be tion to Government I irstly they said around Rs 110 to 11* This is what has that they cannot give any guarantee lot an\ appeared in the press as part of their state- firm quantity of foodgraias deliveries to ment. Government. This fifty per cent of the The hon. Minister Shri F. A Ahmed grains or whatever they buy, will be handed said here the other day that they would be over to the Government under the scheme allowed to sell in the free market or in But, before the ink is dried on the paper, the open market within the prescribed the Federation of Foodgrains Dealers had ceiling In the statement made here on the made it clear that c\ en this guranteed supply floor of the House, that ceiling has not of five or six million tonnes of grains they been mentioned. Later on. we were told are not m a position to guarantee that it would be Rs 12* So, rhev can buy at Rs I0S and sell, according to the Govern- They have made it quite clear ment, up to Rs 125 in the open market But the foodgrains dealers' association “These estimate* are based on uop says m its statement that they expect that expectations* the crop situation may it will up to Rs 150, which means Rs. 150 change because of unforeseen factors. per quintal or Rs t 50 per K g So. they Mow are we expected to make good the have also demanded withdrawal of all levies difference or what penalties or compen- on traders They have suggested that there sation cut be given or fixed ,M should be no levy on traders and the So* they are making it quite clear that increase which was made m the sales tax they ate in no position to guarantee even last year should be withdrawn So they 263 Procurement and Pricing APRIL 3, 1974 policy of wheat far 2&* 1974-75 (b is.) [Shri Indrajit Gupta] 1520 have got a very conscious programme all Even The Statesman is not able to deny along the line. So, it is my suggestion the fact that we are in for a fresh spurt of that they have done this under pressure inflation as a result of the sharp rise which from the World Bank from abroad, because will take place In the consumer price of they have in mind the question of giving wheat and other foodgrains. Even they up procurement at home and, therefore, are alarmed. They say—if {I may quote having to resort to imports from abroad, again:— and secondly under the pressure of these wholesalers who, Mr. Bhagat has just now “The elimination of the wheat subsidy said, are going to be enlisted as our new will not make a significant difference to instruments for feeding the people, that is, the size of the Centre’s budgetary deficit”— the people who are the biggest hoarders and speculators; these people have mounted in spite of what Shri Bhagat said just now — their pressure at home, as 1 have shown by “Because the gain on the subsidy will spelling out the components of their pro* be more than offset by the loss on account gramme. This is the result now. It is not of higher dearness allowance payments'*. surprising that a paper like The Statesman has commented as it has done. 1 went Because the cost of living index will auto- through ail the papers to see whether matically reflect the rise in the issue price. they could not be accused of being commu- nist newspapers or leftist newspapers be- “ Further, since the take over of the cause there was a lot of talk going cm that wholesale trade was abandoned*'— onl> leftists and communists were opposing Thev say abandoned not just modified .. this decision of the Government. Of course, at one extreme is The Statesman. SHRI A. K. M, ISH4QUE (Basirhat) : Of course, 1 am not surprised at the headline That is what The Statesman says. which The Statesman has given namely ‘A aensibter retreat'. Some are calling it SHRI 1NDCRJ1T GUPTA : 1 am coming pragmatic retreat; others are calling it to the pro-Congresji papers afterwards. tactical retreat* panicky retreat, a rcireat THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE in disarray and so on. These are the various MINISTRY OF AGRICULTURE (SHRI headings which have been given, ami I ANNASAHBB P, SH1NDE) : There has have no time to read them all out. But been an official pronouncement, on the one big exception is The Statesman which floor of the House. What is the necessity says *A sensible retreat', and it is hailed by to refer to what interpretation outside all the trading circles and hailed by all the agencies put on it? rich farmers in the countryside and not the poorer and small farmers. Of course. The Statesman for once has said: SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA : The> represent certain well» SHRI 1NDRAJ1T OUPrA : His views SHRI INDRAJIT GUPI*A : Then The arc too well-know, n. National Herald: I do not think it ts an anti* Congress paper. What does it write ? SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) . My views arc too well-known. 1 do not hide “Firmness on the part of policy makers them. and greater efficiency cm the part of officials would have produced better results. The SHRI INDRAJIT GUPrA : “ rhe Union enthusiasm of Congressmen and Ministers Food Minister seems to think that a psycho- shown at the tuns of ths takeover soon logy of shortage resulting in hoarding at waned. Most Chief Ministers did not all levels is responsible for the present crisis. want to assume additional responsi- If this is a fact, is it not the Government's bility, Officials turned out to be either duty to convince the people that there is corrupt or inefficient. The mighty FCI no shortage T* was not equal to its task. Even some Congressmen found it advanta- If ration-card holders get ‘due slips' geous to have secret links with traders instead of rice and wheat and sugar, who and farmers. It is a sad thought that is responsible for creating a psychology of a good policy has failed on account of shortage ? Now a days in Calcutta, instead the incompetence of the administrative of rations you are given ‘due slips* with machinery and the insincerity of some this written on it ‘Come again after « few Congress leaders". days. Just now there is no grain; but it is to your credit/ Who has created the Tht Hindustan Standard writes SMychoto«y of sta tu te ? I do not under- editorially: stand this modem economic theory that when a im is a bumper crop and easy i t is a panicky withdrawal in confusion availability of grains then only <5ovem* under heavy pressure from the rural rich m m m m §t» for procurement and dtetri* and the resourceful merchants”. 267 Procurement and Pricing APRIL «. 1974 *» {Shri Indngit Gupta] SHRI INDRAJtT GUPTA : It has no It speaks of a powerful support received other functions as for as I can make out. from die strong farm lobby in the ruling patty, ‘The Government has made a I only want Vo say in the end that the total surrender to the agricultural vested truth of the matter is—it is an unpalatable interests, less because of the strength of the truth but nevertheless the truth—that defeat assault from outside than because of the was inherent m the scheme from the very efficacy of subversion from within.*' So, beginning because the will was lacking. The this is a cross-section, certainly, or opinion point is that the will was lacking from the in the country. beginning. There was haff-heartedness, corruption and sabotage from tnside which So, 1 would like to ask, what is the doomed this operation take-over. machinery going to be for “controlling'’ the wholesale traders from, firstly, buying After all, there is well-known economist direct from the producers instead of buying who I think is respected by the Govern- from the mandis. Can you present it ? ment also; he docs a lot of *ork for the Can you prevent the wholesale traders from Government—Dr. K. N. Raj, Dr. Raj going direct to the producer and buying delivered a series of lectures early in March, where there is no check* no control? before this latest decision of the Govern- (,interruptions) I ask this question because ment was known, at the University of they are supposed to give up SO per ccnt Bangalore on the subject of planning and to the Government. Now, if they a re to prices in India, fn that, he makes certain, buy at Rs. 10S and can sell up to Rs. 125 points clear. If 1 may just quote : in the open market, and they themselves have said that it will be Rs. 150—then, they “It is, however, not for tack of instru- can pay more than Rs. 105 and still make ments in the technical sense that progress profits. While the Government agency in the required direction is now so slow. offer Rs. 105; what is there to prevent them It is basicali> due to the present balance from offering Rs. 110 and still making a of social and economic power in the huge profit in the free market ? Where win countryside.” the Government get its supplies from ? How will it buy ? What is the controlling This is another way of saying what Mr. machinery, 1 would like to know. D. P. Dhar has said two days ago in What is there to prevent them, as they Parliament. The trouble is that we hate themselves said, from charging more than not been able to fashion a political instru- SU. 125 in the open market ? Why have no ment capable of carrying out these acono- procurement targets been fixed for the mic decisions and plans. This is another States. Tt means that the FCI is now polite way of saying that the rulingpari), being reduced to the status of a godown- the Congress party, has not got the will, keeper. The FCI’s job in future will be the the political will, to carry out such radical job of a godown-keeper, looking after some reforms. Dr. Raj says; godowns, waiting for the wholesalers to “This is why proposals for land reform condescend to come and deliver some have been practically shelved and one grains to them which they will keep stored bears references to them only to muted In the godowns. tones. This b why even the moderate SHRI PILOO MODY : Even that is proposals of the Agrictitaifa* dangerous. » Commission are either not accepted or arc 269 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) pel^o^ wheat for 270 Pricing 90 distorted In the process of implementa- not behave the Minister to say here and tion as to serve totally different purpose*. seek an alibi by suggesting that this matter This is also why the proposal for a had the approval of the National Food mildly progressive Agricultural Holdings Advisory Council, the Consultative Commit- Tax has been in eflfect ditched tee of Parliament and the Conference of Chief Ministers The Conference of It is the same thing all along the line It is Chief Ministers—yes, I know the majority not an isolated factor It is this powerful of them were pressing you to do this -socio-economic force which is operating But we have a member on the National not allowing taxation on agricultural hold- Food Advisory Council and he advises me ings, not allowing the wholesale take-over that no such approval was given Hie to be implemented, and it is this factor which C onsultative Committee never gave approval has brought about this catastrophe for this- Do not pass on the sms of the I will end with the dismal note with which Chief Ministers toother non-official members Dr K N Raj also has ended of these bodies (Interruption*) “Such equivocation and evasion of TH1 MINIMI R Ob AGRICUl- responsibility at almost to all levels, and TURI (SHRI b A AHMED) I am sorry ambivalence on sttal roues, offer no hope to sav that approval has not been men- of a reasonably smooth transition to tioned here a more civtlised economic and social SHRI INDRAJII GUPTA It sa>s system In fact, it is becoming increas- here It has been suggested the polrcs ingly clear that it is little use econo- tor the seventies m all its aspects was consi- mists and others spending time trying dered and after careful consideration it to work out mare * concrete” and more has now been decided ” VVhat does “practical” proposals because the solu- this meant ’ tUttertupUons) Now that tions to roost of these problems are not they have decided to go m for this only interrelated but require for their policy let them answer m\ questions implementation the support of forces What is the mechanism b> which the> pro- that can emerge onl> through social and pose to ensure that the wholesalers will co- political progresses’* operate with them ’ That is what has happened, and that is why SHRI DINfcSH CHANDRA GOSW AMI this surrender has taken placc I would (Gauhati) With a sense of unhappiness cod fay warning the Government that thcv I am approaching this debate The fact are taking the Ares of inflation and food that the wholesalers have been brought shortage and encouraging the hoarders back into the wholesale trade does not and profiteers and if we are still here after comfort me and I am confident that it another year we will see that we have been docs not comfort most of the Members brought to the brink of catastrophe The of the House It doe* not give any comfort result will be that not more talk of govern- either to Mr T A Ahmed and to Mr ment takoover will be there. You will be Shmde or to Mi Maurya We stroagI> provoking the people to take over food believe that in a country like ours with stocks May be in some places it will burst millions of ill-fed and underfed people living out Hi anarchic forms, But people’s take- below the poverty line where a handful o w will come on the agenda, not Getvem- of traders want to secure benefits b> arti- fnemt tata-tifc«sr Any more. People trusted ficial manoeuvring of prices and stocks to you to do it and you failed them It does the great misery of poverty stricken millions. 271 ProcHremetti and Pricing APl»T. J. m 872 [Shri Dinesh Chandra Goswami} is a commitment which our party ha* made we cannot afford to permit the free play of to the people and which our Govern* the market mechanism in essentia) foodgrains ment has made to the people. But, the Government has also a greater commitment 15.34 boors. to fulfil, and that is, to make food-ituffs available, reasonable quantities of food* SHRI VASANT SATHE (fa the Chair] stufls available, at reasonable price*. Whan the two commitments conflict with each If we want to obviate the miseries of the other, it may be the Government is people by control and dominance over the compelled to take some steps, is compelled surplus available in the market, it is not to make some minor adjustments in order only essential but also imperative that the to fulfil the second commitment and this ultimate aim of the Government must be is what exactly the Government has done to fashion its policies in such a way that in this particular caw. control ts assumed not only over wheat or rice but also over two or three other It may be that at a given point of time, commodities which are essential for the due to various political and economic consumption of the common man in general. forces, it is found that a particular policy, It is with this objective that our party took however laudable it may be, has failed to that decision and the Government followed fulfil the basic objective* or it has failed suit. to make available to the people sufficient quantities of food at reasonable prices, Now the question is : has the Government the Government may have to modify its made a total retreat or has it abandoned policies. I am strongly of the view that the policy? Opinions will differ. I feel food is a subject in which, no party or no that it is not a total abandonment. I feel group or no individual has a right to play that because of compelling economic politics. 11 is a subject in which the Govern- circumstances there had been modifications. ment cannot either stick to a rigid or At the same time 1 want to place before the doctrinaire attitude. Let us make a re- Government with all the earnestness at my view of what had happened during last command that they should search year, after the take-over of wheat trade. their hearts and fmd out in the light The purpose of the policy was to ensure of the last one year’s experience a remunerative price to the grower, a wh> thts modification has become reasonable price to the consumer, the necessary, and in the immediate improvement in the availability of food- future to remove all these shortcomings grains in the market and price stabilisation and once again go back to the policy of and elimination of price dbtorUons and wheat trade take-over. After all. Sir, hoarding. It has been said by m a n y of Mr. Indrajit Gupta's contention or Mr. the right reaction that the take-over polky Gopalan’* contention that there has been has fluted* Sir, I a m not one who cut an absolute retreat, whatever may be the accept such a view. To a g r o a t ft**1*' qualifications, I think, will be a sweeping it wa* successful Of voum, tf* wpecss generalisation and will be far from true. was not to the desired extern, because We should not forget one fact, to this con* various politkal and econom ic force* played text. Today, Government has the their part. It would have btm * #«**«* commitment to tajka-ovar or acquire success, if fMttaoo* Ska Mr* Fftpo Mod> dominion over die surplus stocks. Thfe would not have been ihefe and « 273 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) policy of wheat foe 274 Pricing 1974-75 (JMr.) (Shri Dincsb Chandra Goswami} incentives to the growers to dispose of their they had not tried to put obstacles in stocks and secondly, will help in the removal implementation of Government’s policies. of climate of shortages. In this context, I would like to have a categorical reply Sir, we should also take into account from the hon. Food Minister as to how the fact that the policy of wheat trade does he propose to ensure that the price take-over failed, to a great extent, because of wheat does not go beyond a certain the administrative machinery was not level so that it does not affect the vulner- toned up and it was not geared up to the able sections of the population. That is challenging task. In this context, I would a basic question about which all of us are like to ask th; hon. Minister, when you agitated and I hope the Minister will try have taken up a new policy, taking a great to give some satisfactory reply to that. risk, as Mr. Bhdgit has said, what toning up of the admimstiative machinery you As I said, economic compulsions have have done and what is your immediate compelled the Government to take up the programme to see that the policy which present policy Yet, if we want to clear you see taken up, ultimately succeeds. the food front, we shall have to revert As 1 said, looking back, during last year, back to the taking over of the wheat trade we have that procurement was much in the immediate future. 1 urge upon below the expected targets, resulting ui the Government to do some heart-searching shortages distortion of prices, and this and find out the loopholes because of which has aggravated the present price spiral and our avowed and declared policv has failed added to tne misery of the people. In such and to plug them. Government has still a situation, I can appreciate that the a duty to provide food to the vulnerable Government had to modify, to a certain see turns through the public distribution extent, its stand and had to bring in whole- system. I wish to warn the Government salers. As I said cat her. I approach this that »f there be any failure in fuelling this subject with a sense of untuppmos and 1 obligation neither our party noi our people- think many Members on this side of the will condone it House wilt be happy to see a situation, To a great extent, last > ear's policy could where, Government will be able to do away not be a total success because the with these wholesalers and where the Go- administrative system not at all tuned vernment is capable of creating conditions, up to meet the challenging task. Even wherein, at least these compulsions can be this new policy can succeed only if the removed. administration is geared up to the task. Sir, Government expects that by raising I would like to know positively what step the pKKUMaiNttt price to Rs. 105 per quintal, Government propose to take to tune up the present shortages, or the psychology the administrative system. I would request of shortages, as has been described, will, the minister to make it plain to the adminis- to some extent, be minimised because trative staff and the heads of administration persons will be discouraged from hoarding that they shall have to pay the penality if »hen they find that the price that is offered the haw in the food front is not deared to them i* very remunerative. It I* precisely up bftcaMse of this development. wifo this m view, Government has fixed SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNS1 the pwcttftemeot price at it*. 10$ per quintal 'Calcutta—South) : Sir, the recent procure- and has alto tfvc« tome tfope for adjust* ment and price policy announced by the mean 16 private traders. This will give 275 Procurement and Pricing APRIL 3f 1974 policy of wheat for 276 1974*75 {DisS (Shri Priya Rattan Das Muosi] cbology in the minds of the growers, not Food Minister has allowed the political by tincraasing the prices but by setting up parties to make serious criticisms on a tribunal to dispose of the litigation behalf of and against it. When I consider c a s e s pending againt the peasants for the that ideology leads sometimes to lomanii* l a s t two decades, as mentkuied la our cism. I feel what the Government bad done party manifesto and declared policy of perhaps was not totally against our policy the Government. Thirdly, they should and ideology. But when 1 consider the enquire through the Chief M in iste rs in ideology sometimes based on reality* I how many State tlv agricultural labour feel what the Goverament did today is due legislation h*d been implemented. It> those to the compulsions of the present situation* States where it had *»m yet been implc* la general, if we carefully analyse the policy n.emed. i» should be done immediately of our Government and our party, there Tt is the imp’eraentatioii of these suggestions, « an ideological retreat over the announced and not an ircrease in prices, which will policy of the Government. This retreat create a real psychological atmosphere «s perhaps because the ideological approach among the growers and peasants. Becouse, if towards the food policy by the Congress you increase the price, the benefit does not Party was not tvmed up by the Government go to the peasants; it goes to the whole- administration as well as the section for salers and the middlemen. That has been which this food policy is to be implemented. our experience for the last two years. So, 1 do feel that this sort of dissatisfaction, Government must supplement their food which is prevailing in many young ideologi- policy with the implementation of these cal or intellectual progressive politicians three suggestions by the Central and State today will not conti.iuc next year if the Governments. Government cph check in time the faults due to which they could not make a success When the Government announced tho of the take-over policy last year. take-over of the wholesale trade in wheat, f hope the hon. Minister, while he there were processions and demonstration* replies to the debate, will supplement by the food gram dealers ail over the country. the declaration of policy which he had During the UP elections, if 1 am not mis- made and make some of the points clear. taken. the leader of wholesale dealers, Oiic Shri Bishambar Da>a!. announced If the Government really want that a publicly that he will support those parties psychological atmosphere has to be created and condidates v*ho wilt oppoese the take- among the growers, it cannot be done by over of trade in fo*nigra ms and other merely increasing the prices. It can be done essential commodities in v.hich there is only by solving the problems which wholesale trade at present. In the election are continuing for the last two decades. meetings i*i U.P. and Orissa we havectfiticisuf So, Government must do the following those people as anti-people forces whuft three things. They should immediately were against democracy and progress. call a meeting of the Chief Ministers and explain to the«n the problems. If they can* If the Government are fully convinced not take over the wholesale trade in tire that this policy is being sabotaged by the or wheat, what prevents the States from hoarders and bsMumarketeers, what pre- implementing the land reforms, proposed vents them from taking rigorous action by the Congress Party from time to time ? against them? Why was the Essential Secondly, they can create a proper pay* Commoditits Act not amended to 2V Procurement and CHA1TRA 13, 1396 (SAKA) policy of wheat for 278 Pricing 1974*75 give effect to this? Why did you prevail on the Communist party m t enact some legislation to provide (Marxists), considering the present situation for death sentence for hoarders ? You in the country and the progressive policies can create a proper atmosphere for the that we have undertaken. success of public distribution only if you create terror among the hoarders and whole- We admit that wc have our shortcomings. sale traders who are sabotaging the policy We know there arc difficulties in the present of the Govefnmertt. situation. There is no denying the fact that they are not sabotaged from outside I do appreciate some of the arguments but,they are sabotaged from within also. of my hon. friend, Shri Gopalan. In an There arc officials in the Food Ministry atmosphere of shortages, the people want and in the Food Corporation of India— the basic necessities to be supplied to them it is said that it is Full Corruption of India— at controlled prises. 1 agree with him there. who every time, under some pretext, But 1 cannot agree with him when he says sabotage the entire prospects. I would that his party cannot suppo< t the policies say that the challenge against the hoarders of the Government. It is true that there caanot be met by a political decision in the has b^en a retreat from the progressive Parliament; that political decision should policies by the Government in the recent have to be politically oiiented among the announcement. But ptogressive policies administration; otherwise, this Govern- can be implemented only through ment cannot function effectively in the th: support and involvement of the left interest of the people. democratic forces. I can understand a political party like the Jan Sangh's opposing The policy of the Government is that our policy or criticising our policy. But 50 per cent of the entire procurement will this party CPM did not show the courage be given by the wholesale traders. 1 do to go against the traders, that their food* not agree with this view because 1 grains should be deposited with the Govern- have my own experience and I hope that ment, should be procured by the Govem- the Food Minister will bear me out. roe .t in all parts of the country, 1 know In my Slate we l ave not taken over rice, pusotttUy what happened ia our State. but wc had decided that the roillowners I do not understand their philosophy; 1 would give 40 per cent of the total do not know what politics they are playing. procuremmt to us. But what was the One rupee a kilo of rice is the demand of result? They could not give even 15 per the Communist party (Marxists) in some cent. They say that they would not sell states. They do not consider the actual at such a low price. If the motive cf the figure fixed for the peasant to sell the paddy. right reactionaries is not only to topple The price of paddy per quintal is rupees 73. the Government but also to threaten the and they demand onc-rupee-a-kilo-of-rice. democracy itself, if the wholesale tradei s That means, the price of paddy per quintal make a conspiracy that even what was would have to be decreased from Rs. 73 purchased from the peasants would not to Rs, 43. How can. they give relief to be shown on record-becausc there is no peasants if they say one thing in the inter* compulsion of the Government—what will cst of the urban people and another thing be the position of the government ? What to the rural people ? The double standard will be the position of the consumers who should be avcwdcx.. They should be realistic like to buy foodgrains through the public in thttfr demafed. I hope better senses would distribution system? 279 Procurement end Pricing APRIL 3, 1974 poiicyof wheat for 2*0 1974-75 (!>/*.) {Shri Priya Ranjan Das MunsiJ that, with the announcement of this policy* people wilt withdraw their demand from ' Another suggestion that I want to make the public distribution system and will go to the Government is this. Let us assume to the open market to get cheap food, that you will get from them whet you ex- I would say that they are mistaken; I would pect. 1 agree that we have our short- not agree with them hare. The attitude comings. There is scarcity. People will of the wholesaler is not helpful. They get less than what they got on the earlier are anti-people. We must admit it and occasion. I agree that we cannot claim my feeling is that the Government in spite as much as what we were claiming in 1971. of this decision can create and give some But our demand is that we should get relief to the people if they are sincere in through the public distribution system as their purpose and if the administration much as we can. You distributed 11.4 should be tightened. I think the Essential million tonnes through public distribution Commodities Act is to be change. State system. U is not a matter of joke; the legislations should be brought out for credit for that should go to the Govern- death sentence to hoarders. You cannot ment We appreciate the Government for stop the hoarding by the Police because that. Why should the Government not the police are in league with the hoarders come forward once again? Why should Only a popular movement involving popular they depend on the open market? Open progressive forces is the only way for ston- market is the game of hoarders. Their ing hoarding. game is not to listen to what Mr. F. A. I know. Sir. In ray on own little capa- Ahmed is telling; what the Government is city I personally had conducted de-hoarding saying. Thetr entire game is to work against operations with my hundred boys and the people, against the democratic insti- brought out foodgrains from godowns tution. In Ahmedabad city you know and other essential commodities worth who played this disastrous game. It was Rs. 4 crores in the Calcutta ctW. the hoarders, and they were claiming that I was an eye-witness to that. We gave the they would make the Government change advice to the Police, ‘You go to that place, their decisions in other aspects also. If you will get the commodities*. The Poitce that is so, Government must bi alert about went, but there are many limitations of the the situation, what is going on outside. Act. They collected, they sealed them, I do believe that this is in no way helping they took it somewhere and produced the present situation. Government may it in the court. But people got annoyed. come forward with new decisions on many But we went and without burning a shop other aspects. How is our Internal Trade or a godown we were able to bring out the wing functioning? There is an interna, hoarded materials into the market and gave trade wing in the Ministry of Commerce it to the police to sell it in the majritet which is supposed to took after supply of Then people were happy. This sort of essential commodities. But there is no an environment has to be created, it is guarantee of the public distribution system not that he Police cat do it **onc. •tall now a days. As Mr. Nalk said it is not that we should depend upon the in the beginning, in every State there should administration and the Government Un- be an internal Trade Ministry, there should less we think it seriously In this nature, we fee a public distribution department, to cannot meet the situation. look after the distribution of essential commodities—-as much as they can. With- I believe we are not going back on our out doing, that, if the Government believe progressive policies. We are ao* going**** 28! Proeurertftnf and CHAETRA 13, 1896 {SAKA) policy of wheat for 282 Pricing 1974-75 (Dls.) sod if at ill the Government want to consi- The Food Minister should be careful about der, let them think not once or twice or this and the Ministry should be easeful thrice but several times whether the damage about this. This sort of statement does not Is done by dements from inside or from help the situation. He is playing in the outside organized reactionaries and whether hands of the right reactionary forces and the there are a little bit arrangements within hoarders To*da> me food situation is the administration itself. The Government not the <»uc of the Government, it is the must open their eyes on both the fronts. people’s i'sue We shall look at it at the When the Government want to take up the national perspective and the national direc- cause of the people, it is not the people tion. My wholp feeling is * let the democra- outside but it is the anti-people forces within tic forces, of this country and those who lhe Government itself that want to sabotage really believe in progressive action, let them the whole thing and the Government must not create opportunistic arrangements take steps in that light. against this government at the moment and think of toppling it. They should be sen- 1 am sorry today m this House those sible enough to understand the problems forces who went to garland in disguise the withm the Government and the problems foodgrain dealers whci ihnr weie in the outside the Government. front of procession, were nut in majority in the Parliament today m the opposition. I am sorry to know--! have read m the They are out. I know they arc celebrating. newspapers—that some leftist parties are Perhaps they also feel that even this policy going to unite tomorrow or the day after to of 50*£ levy which the Government will make a strategy as to how, they can launch impose on them they will be sabotaged. a com pa i gn against the Government. Why cannot they create a strategy and create I would like to draw your attention to an atmosphere so that the Government *>ne statement, a peculiar statement, the can function in a manner in which the Govern- Food Secretary, Mr. G.G.L. Joneja has ment is encouraged to feel that there made. He explained that a limited manoeuv- are friends outside also who can implement rability has been provided to the wholesalers this policy. If this position is taken by the m the new policy. Sir, it is Urn statement of combined leftist forces, I will consider them the Food Secretary—what reaction and what less progressive and more opportunistic. impact it will create on tbe people ? If this Left opportunism is also as dangerous as statement comes from the Secretary, that we the right reactionaries. I feel the> will have allowed* that we have provided arrange- not fall a prey to tbe left opportunists. ments to the wholesalers to manoeuvre the I also hope that the Government *ill be thing, to do the things as they bke. what much more realistic within one year to implication witt there be ? What audacity understand and to analyse the entire system has the Secretary got to make such a state- of the administration though for the time ment ? Is it some arrangement with the being, it may be a psychological oi ideologi- hoarders ? I would like to know.... cal retreat ai the moment. MR. CHAIRMAN : Mr. Munsi...... !6hrs. SHRJ PI LOO MODY : Why should you SHRI WLOO MODY (Godhra) : correct ? I will correct. It is not your job. U did the heart lot of good but the ears SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : a lot of damage to listen to the two previous I hope you will understand my position, speakers. I do not know in what state of 283 Procurement and Pricing APRIL : (Shri Pilot* Modi} and they have to think: in terms cf trying mind they must be. It is quite evident that something new, they hftvo to move by force one cannot honour them by calling them of compulsion, by historical imperatives, right reactionaries and one cannot glority in the right direction. But even moving in them by calling them left adventurists. the right direction they are incapable of do- And T am at a loss of words what to call ing by the volition of their own intelligence. them but whatever we call them it will have It is something on which they would have to to be some form of neutrality, a neutrality be pushed further I am not capable of particularly on a subject on which they pushing them, nor do f want to push them; have had to eat massive doses of crow and let them realise it the hard way that if they if you have eaten crow you will realise that want the economy of this country to func- it is not a veiy pleasant thing to eat. I pity tion, they will have to find mentors in India them because what their intelligence did and not abroad. 1 f you cannot find them* not tel! them to do circumstances have forced keep looking for them, but keep looking them to do. It is realty a divorce of in- for them in India and not abroad. (Inter* telligence from reality which has landed the rupifom). It is overt here; it is covert there; ruling party in this unholy mess of having to that is why I keep on looking that side. drag to some body else's tune and to sing to somebody e!sc*s piping if I may make They have been pushed under the glee my metaphor. And therefore 1 think that that 1 see in their eyes; 1 only see a touch although one would have welcomed this of guilt in the eyes. Listening to the ideo* move, ft is such a small hesitant move, logics in this debate. I entirely agree with such a move without much thinking or Shri Gopalan, with Shri Indrajit Gupta and rationale, but it is a move in the right direc- with the Government that they have done tion, because all other directions were everything What sort of non-sense is this ? exhausted. The fact of the matter is that Whom are you fooling ? This year only the they ha\e neither believed m socialism nor wholesalers have been brought in; next year, have they believed in the market eco- the retailers will also have to be brought nomy. They have only believed in pressures in. As somebody said, after all, the Food and when pressures were accompanied by Corporation of India has become a big kicks they believed in them a little more. godown 1 do not even trust this godown And for all these yaare my friends of the of the Food Corporation of India. They CP! and their friends have been kicking have been godowning for a long time the them, and whipping them and pushing grains. Where does the food go ? It cer- them ami throwing them, putting words tainly docs not go to the people Every- in their mouth, putting thoughts in their body is calling this experiment as a menu- heads and some-time* a little food in their mental folly of the takeover of the wheat bellies. And it is with this idea that this old trade. Who has been benefited ultimately ? cart which is the congress party has been It has benefited the politicians; it has bene- moving hesitantly backwards. What have fited the bureaucrats; it hat benefited the they done to the economy of the country ? smugglers and hoarders. What have they done to the food distribution of this country ? What have they done The people of M aharashtra and Ottjarat to the food production of the country ? in the course of last year Alone, paid I think history will have to really Rs. 30 crores more for their wheat and serev the severest verdict on them. rice because of the zonal systom. This little Nevertheless when they find, as 1 said empire got only this much. The Chief before, th a t ail these avenues are exhausted. Minister* of Stale* * # * • & > * * * 285 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) policy of wheat for 286 Pricing 1974-75 (Dis.) {Shri PtUo Mody] with his much intelligence, socialist to create this system for themselves so that becomes fashionable, communism becomes they manipulate the food in their own areas. fashionable, and if somebody says Take And because of the zonal system, the people over wheat' therefore they take over wheat, of Gujarat and Maharashtra had to pay and if somebody says. ‘Take over this or t£at’ Rs. 50crores more for their basic food. Who they do so. After all, there is a rationale is benefited ? Does the Government behind human action and that rationale benefit ? Does Shri Ahmed benefit ? I am can only be dictated by intelligence and not not talking in terms of an individual when 1 by slogans. mentioned him. Did the Government bene- Therefore, although I cannot compliment fit or the consumers benefit ? Did the them on having received enlightenment, retailers benefit ? Did the wholesalers I must nevertheless congratulate them on benefit ? Did the growers benefit ? Did the fact that by mistake they have strayed the producers benefit ? No, Sir. It is on the nght course. 1 hope that they will only those who smuggled these goods make more such mistakes, from your point across our international boundaries within of view, from Shri Priya Rajan Das Munsi’s India who are benefited. They did point of view, from Shri Unnikrishnan’s it with the connivance of the officials, with point of view, from Shri Sat Pal Kapur’s the connivance of the railways, with the point of view, from Shri Goswami’s point connivance of the octroi and municipal of view, and from Shri D.P. Dhar's point authorities and with the connivance of of view. If they make more mistakes, it every single policeman in the area. How may be that the people of this country will do you think that food is going out ? You be happier. can get any amount of Amul in the Persian Gulf if you cannot get it over here; you SHRI JAGANNATH RAO (Chatra can get any amount of rice m the Persian pur) : Mr. Chairman Sir, the food policy Guff *—fraMna/i good ncc—if you cannot announced by the Food Minister last week get it here. Are you suggesting that this is cnticiscd by the Opposition as a retreat take-over of the foodgrains was a great or as a surrender. Some hon. Members \ irtue and a heroic act ? Who was the even went to the extent of saying that it Hero of the Soviet award ? What is all was an abandonment of the policy enun- this non-sense that 1 have been hearing in ciated and followed by the Government in this debate ? How is it that this has been the previous year. Neither Mr. Gopalan done in a half-hearted manner by Govern- nor Mr. Indrajit Gupta nor Mr. Piloo Mody ment ? The Government has done this has any improvements to suggest to the intelligent t h i n g after ten years. The policy announced by the Food Minister. only intelligent thing done by them is I well appreciate their criticisms and they the zonal system of foodgrains. This is have good intentions, but they have not a half-intelligent thing—not full-intelli- offered any idea whereby the policy an- gent thing. Why ? That is because the nounced can be improved upon. They only people like the speakers over here from want to show that Government have yaur side—4 m ean friends from the Cong- done a wrong thing and that they are more ress side a n d t h e Communist side— progressive and what Government have have b e e n telling that just as this is the done is a retreat or a going back on their fashion these days that these young kids earlier policy. A responsible government put on tight-trouaers w i t h loose shoes, has to be responsive to public criticism. (hcy h a v e to do this thing. And When a Government finds that the policy ? U5S/74—10 287 Procurement and Pricing APRIL :i, 1974 policy of wheat for 2*** 1974-75 (DU.) enunciated by it earlier has not yielded the licence. On any given day, they cannot the results expected from it, certainly is store any quantity beyond what is pres- it not open to them to review its policy and cribed in the licence. Therefore, that is make such adjustments as are neoessary to a sufficient safeguard to see that the whole- make it more successful ? salers do not play any mischief either in the procurement or in the matter of storage. What have Government done this year? Then, the question has been asked how one They have not abandoned wholesale trade could be sure that they would give 50 per take-over in foodgrains. They have not cent of their procurement. As 1 have said abolished the different agencies which already, the quantity procured is known to existed last year to procure wheat and rice. the Civil Supplies Departments. Supposing In addition, they have only added the whole- a trader procures 100 quintals a day, he sale dealers. What is the role to be played is bound to give 50 quintals to the Govern- by them ? They are also one of the many ment. So, that is known immediately. procurement agencies or purchasing agen- Therefore, the apprehensions which a*© cies on behalf of the Government. entertained arc not warranted, and the whole- salers certainly will have to function within I believe they have been introduced now certain limitations and under certain cons- for two reasons Firstly, last year, they traints. 4iad been thrown out of their iob>. Secondly, the price offered last year was not very Tlie Foodgrains Control Order will attractive, and it was only R.s, 76 par qu intal, bs very rigid, and they have to operate whereas the producer* knew that Govern- within the framswork of the conditions of ment were importing from abroad at a very the licence issued under that order. high pricc, and naturally, the marketed supply was not as much as Government I hcreforo, I do not any reason why expected. Furthet, last year was a lean we should appiohend at this stage that tbe year and therefore ptocurem^nt \*as not wholesalers will play mischief. very heavy and Government could not pro- cure eight million tonnes which they wantc i !i is also said that tlwy arc reactionary to procure. Therefore, the> have brought forces, and why should they be brought m the wholesale dealer*. into these market operations ? We have to tame the reactionary forces also. We have to The question has been asked : What discipline them. They have been working cof.trol do Government have on the opera- havoc outside when they were out of their tions of the wholesale dealer ? Let us not jobs. Therefore, they have to be brought forget that the wholesale dealers, when in. We control them by certain conditions, they enter the market, enter so on a licence by supervision under the Foodarams Con- given to them under the Foodgrains Control trol Order. It t$ not open to them to do an, Order or whatever other order there may be. mischief as soma members apprehend. There is a licence, and their operations are Government has not given up its baste scrutmiscd every day by the Civil Supplies Departments of the State Governments; objective. It lias not abandoned the poHc> their accounts are also to be audited. Not in regard to wholesale trade In foodgrains. only do they procure under a licence, but What has been done is to effect a slight even the storage is also to be licensed. modification or a4jt»tfl*oi in the opera- On any given day they cannot procure more tions of the scheme. They have introduced than a certain quantity prescribed in one more element into this scheme. 289 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) policy of wheat for 290 Pricing 1974-75 {Dis.) MR. CHAIRMAN : You mean to say sections of society so that the scheme can that it is wholesale trade taken over through be a success. the wholesale traders themselves. Therefore, I do not see any reason why SHRl JAOANNATH RAO : I do not this criticism has been launched by the say that; some people say that. I say that Opposition parties. It is to make political the wholesalers are one of the procurement capital out of it just to show the public that agencies of Government. There are public they are more progressive. I do not think agencies, there are co-operative marketing anyone of them is more progressive than societies who will procure. In addition, Government. But progressiveism has to the wholesalers will also operate as pro- be coupled with practicalism. curement agents of Government. It is only a modification or addition to the list of agents. There are sufficient checks to prevent It is not wholesale surrender, as some mem- mischief. Government will have to be bers have put it. This was found to be neces- watchful and be on the alert to see that no sary and Government have done it. They mischief is done by any trader or anyone have not done it on their own. They have for that matter. The officers of Govern- consulted the Chief Ministers. The Chief ment incharge of supervision of these Ministers have a responsible part to play in operations should be more watchful to see these operations not only in procurement but that mischief is not done. Government also in distribution. Their views have also should strengthen the public distribution been taken into account. It is easy to name system so that not only foodgrains but other a policy sitting in Delhi. But the difficul- essential commodities also are supplied to ties of those who have to implement it have the vulnerable sections of society. also to be taken into account. Taking an overall picture. Government have taken SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH recourse to this modification. (Nandyal) : The policy statement made by the hon. Food Minister is before us for The policy of takeover of wholesale discussion. Unfortunately, politics or trade in foodgrains has not been given up. political ideologies have been injected into It will continue to be Government policy. the discussion so as to mislead the people. If Government had abandoned it, then it Some Opposition parties have developed would have been open to the Opposition a tendency to find fault with any measure to criticise it as having retreated from an brought forward by Government. earlier policy commitment. But that is not the case. I would say that Government I remember a colleague of mine in the should not only continue with this policy in Madras Legislative Assembly who used to regard to wholesale trade in foodgrains ask in every supplementary question, “If but also in respect of other essential com- so, why so ?” and “If not, why not ?” modities. They should strengthen the This is the type of criticism that is being public distribution system. One reason levelled here. It is the responsibility of the why the policy did not meet with much Government to feed nearly 570 million success was that there was no in-built machi- people of our country. When we look back nery for procurement and distribution. They to the performance of the Government all have to do that now. We must these years, we have to commend the perfor- strengthen the distribution system so that mance that has been shown by the Govern- whatever is procured reaches the vulnerable ment . Previously, we were reinforced by 291 Procurement and Pricing APRIL i, 1974 policy of wheat for 292 1974-75 (Dis.) the PL 480 imports. Wc had sufficient (haert upturns) 1 include here some marginal butler-stock in the country, but now the PL States like my friend's. These are the 480 had disappeared. There is not much of factors. Also, there is the bureaucratic a butf'er-stock. but in spite of the depiction machinery that has been charged with the of the buffer-stocks by way of PL 480, by distribution system. The less said about having internal procurement the Govern* it the better. Public response is also not to ment was able to feed the people which the mark. These are the important factors itself is a commendable and praiseworthy that will go for the successful distribution. duty of the Government. Another factor is about the change in At the same time, my congratulations go the policy that has been brought forward. to the \ast millions of farmer* in out country There is nothing wrong if the Government who have maximised the production feels that the policy that has been hitherto in spue of several difficulties that they arc pursued was not able to meet the aspira- facing today in the matter of getting inputs tions and demands of the people, and that at a proper price. Instead of congratulating it requires certain modificnticns. It is the them, we do not say a wotd about the diffi- primary duty of the Government to feed culties that arc being faced by the agricul- the people and in pursuance of that duty turists today. Not a word has been said by they have to make certain modifications, the leader of the CPI who does not believe of course, wuHn the framewoik of the in the agrarian strength that a country policy and the commitments that they have should get. He always think of certain made to the people. urban populations and (heir difficulties. Nothing drastically has gone wrong here. Another important factor in this whole The procurement systems are available. problem is the part that has to be played The pubhc distribution is available. On by the various agencies involved in the the other hand, the co-operatives arc also succe^ful procurement and distribution sys- brought into the picture. The co-operative*, tem. Firstly, it is the role played by are not manned by bureaucrats. The> the Chief Ministers. Secondly, it is the arc manned by socio-cco non lists, by public effective functioning of the bureaucratic workers xtbo give of their best in the co- machinery; thirdly, it is the popular res- operative institutions. ponse or the public involvement in making the distribution system a successful one. They can compete with the wholesalers Lastly, it is the co-ordinating ability of the if they so desire. They can discharge their Central Government sitting in Delhi. patriotic duty by helping the cooperative institutions in this task of procurement and Unfortunately, a tendency has been distribution. The wholesalers are being developed by the Chief Ministers of surplus asked to function under certain limitations. States not to part with their surpluses and They cannot go and fleece the consumers; send them to the deficit areas where nor can they go and extract at an un- there is need. The Chief Ministers of sur- reasonable price from the growers, tf that plus States arc afnud to face the public agency goes wrong, there are other agencies in ths matter of internal procurement. which can do these things. Though there is a surplus in some pockets, they do not want to procure the surplus We have been crying hoarse that ue available in their own State*, but every time should dispense with PL-480 im port We they depend upon the Central Government. have been repeating that this country should 293 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) policy of wheat for 294 Pricing 1974-75 {Dis.) achieve self-reliance. Unfortunately we of rice in Andhra Pradesh. This had a did not take steps to encourage the farmer. very salutary effect. The neighbouring Today he is in need of chemical fertilisers, State Governments should cooperate with it is not there; water is not there and electri- each other. The Madras Government city is not there. He cannot produce more. should not encourage smuggling from It is only the Indian farmer who has Andhra Pradesh or Andhra Pradesh should faced up to the challenge. He was able not encourage smuggling of fertilisers to revolutionarise agiiculture. The per acre from Maharashtra or M. P. There is dearth yield of wheat or rice has gone up tremen- of chemical fertilisers in Andhra Pradesh. dously. He has done everything to There is no balanced distribution. A maximise production, feed himself and farmer from Andhra Pradesh can go to also the country, but you have failed him Maharashtra and buy fertilisers at lesser at the time when he requires fertilisers or blackmarket price than what he may water. The only answer to this challenge have to pay in Andhra Pradesh for ferti- is to maximise production. In order to lisers in blackmarket. You must link do that we have to take certain steps. up this procurement or levy with the supply Speedy implementation of land reforms is of chemical fertilisers. Now, we are facing one step. We should provide the where- a very difficult situation. We should see withal to small and marginal farmers so that the production programme is under- that they can produce more. There should taken on a war footing. This is my sincere be stringent laws on adulteration. If a suggestion to the Government. They man commits a murder he can be executed, should also see that the new policy which but a person who adulterates food-stuffs they have adopted is implemented sin- and comTiits hundred murders goes scot cerely and honestly. The administrative frc3 unier ths judicial system. This should machinery has to be geared up, more be changed. effective steps have to be taken and they must involve more public institutions. We have not taken over all the food- Public involvement must be there and grains. We have taken over only wheat. Government should not remain aloof from It might be 26 million tonnes out of a total the main-steam of public life. If it happens, quantity of 60 or 66 million tonnes produced the distribution system or the procurement in the country. They have not taken over system will not work. By these barriers rice or coarse grains. They are left in between State and State, there is great the free market. disparity in prices. For instance, between the price of wheat in surplus States like You should not allow the State Govern- Rajasthan, Haryana and Punjab and that ments to shut themselves up in ivory towers. in deficit States like Maharashtra, there There must be free movement between one is great variance. It may be Rs. 50-60 area and another. The entire rice zone per quintal. How do you allow it to in the South should be made a single zone happen? After all, India must be treated and there should be no barrier to free as oiie and we must be able to provide movement. In Andhra Pradesh rice could foodgrains, whether it is w'heat or rice or not move from one district to another and anything, at reasonable prices whether there was a lot of corruption and prices one lives in Punjab or in Maharashtra. varied tremendously. When the new Chief Minister took charge, he abolished I whole-heartedly endorse the new that system and there is now free movement policy announced by the Government 295 Procurement ami Pricing APRIL 3, 1974 policy of wheat for 2 96 1974-75 (Dis.) [Shri Venkata Siibbaiah] is an impossibility in this country. The and I suggest that Government should see farmers will out-number the policemen, to it that the Chief Ministers, the coopera- at the present moment, by more than 50, tive institutions and the public agencies and so, you should not frame a policy are involvsi in this and they should also which cannot be implemented. The only see to it that this new policy is made success- force that the statesmen, at the present ful. If it is not made successful, then, moment, can use, when they lack the force wa may have to face disastrous conse- of police, is the force of economics. It quences. is only when recourse is taken to punitive SHR.I RANABAHADUR SINGH action, and economic forces are disregarded, (Sidhi) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, we are dis- that Amul and Basmati rice are sold at cussing the wheat policy again. Once cheaper rates in the Gulf states and we go upon a time, a man with his son was taking without it. Then, when we talk about a donkey across a bridge, the by-standers traders—1 hold no brief for them they be- started laughing and said that both of them long to this county; they are also nationals ware walking when the donkey was without of this country and conceding the fact a rider. When one person got on to the that they do take recourse to measures donkey, they again laughed and said that which are not in the interest of the country, only one person got on to the donkey. When the only method by which the traders can both of them got on to the donkey, they be tamed and brought in line with still laughed and said that both of them the policies of the Government, is to wore riding on the poor donkey. Finally, make use of the economic forces to bring when both of them started to carry the the traders around. No other punitive donkey on their shoulders, the donkey fell action will help in this matter. into the river and was lost. I was rather surprised when Mr. Indrajit So, whatever may be the policy, there Gupta said that once the Government are always people to criticise it. What blunders in this field, it will be the people is required today is to divorce food from who shall take the matter into their hands. politics. This is one sector wherein we This is a threat which has a very grave cannot experiment, and for that. Sir, consequence. It is a threat which at this I respectfully submit that our leaders must juncture should be firmly gripped and used. show statesmanship when we are dealing Today whatever policies are framed with food. Statesmanship, today, has and implemented by Government, been experimented with in many ways. they seem to hang in the air because the When food is the matter under considera- total implementation machinery Stlongs tion, one basic factor which must not be lost to the officials. In order to obviate the sight of is the fact that whatever may be possibility of the people rising up, this is the policy framed by the Government, the the time when the Government in utmost implementation machinery must be wide, statesmanship should involve the people and strong enough to implement it. When themselves as regards the food policy. I say this, I would like to draw the attention The only one catchword I suggest in this of the Government to the fact that when connection is consensus. Whatever the you talk of a levy on farmers, you must failings of the people, they have been be- take it for granted and that for each farmer, cause our people are not used to this western there must be at least two or three police- method of majority rule. Even today in men to take the levy out, which by itself. our villages, consensus has a hallowed place. 297 Procurement and Pricing CATIRA 13, 1886 (5-4^^) policy o f wheat for 298 1974-75 iD is.) If a consesiis is used to implement the food bumper production, are economic enough policies at the village level—whether it is to help us to build a buffer stock. the conPLimer committee for each mohalla or gram panchayats that are given this I also feel it an honour to bring to this responsibility we shall have a different House a message from a person from my performance in this field. constituency, a person who lives in the fastness of the Madhya Pradesh forests. Regarding the offer of Rs. 105 psr quintal This village consists of only three huts. made this year, this is toa late an,i too little. He is six feet six inches tall and he wears Rs. !05 last year would have bisn most only a loin cloth. When he visited ms welcomc and it would have meant maxi- last month, his story was sordid indeed. He misation of our production, not this year. receives two kilos of foodgrains per month Much water has flowed down tlie bridges if he walks 20 miles to the fairprice shops, ofthe.Tumna and Rs. 105 falls short again. whereas only three years ago there was a Hypothetically speaking, if the Government baniya in his village who had kept him alive had taken more courage and announced even during the drought of 1967. When a higher price, there might have been a I told him that our Government has almost buoyancy of production on (ho fields, made up its mind not to import foodgrains, similar to the one witnessed in 1969. 1 he said would you take my message to the want to remind you that it was in 1967 Government that I want to live, whether and 1968 when v/heat prices rose to the prestige of the Government remains or Rs. 160 a quintil that there was a certain not? Thank you. buoyancy in the production in the farmers' fields and we got a production which we MR. CHAIRMAN ; I want to make an still envy as a target. It would have been announcement. The hon. Minister will fitting if a courageous step had been taken reply to the debate at 6.15 p. m. So, 1 while fixing the prices. What we have as would request hon. Members to stick to food policy today is not going to remain the time limit in order to enable the Chair tomorrow. I happen to be a farmer and to accommodate more hon. Members. an M.P. 1 had a sorry experience with the SHRI B. R. SHUKLA (Bahraich) ; Mr. Agricultural Prices Commission where Chairman, at the very outset, I congratulate we, the representatives of farmers were the Government for making a bold depar- told that we could only offer our own ture from the policy adopted earlier of taking opinions, without having the benefit of over the wholesale trade in wheat. I am knowing what the opinions are going to glad to note that they have not taken it court for. It was a one-way discussion. as a prestige issue. If is wrong to say that This year one factor has to be taken note the Government have surrendered to the of by all the countries which are facing food monopolists, hoarders and blackmarketeers shortage. It is high time we noted this or the big farmers. If it is a surrender, it factor right away. This year the world is a surrender to sanity, reality and reason is going to have the biggest wheat crop in in the best national interest and the history. I wonder if this matter has found interest of the people. the attention due to it. With this factor in view, 1 plead that the Government should The basic mistake last year was the not rest on any matter of prestige in enter- fixation of unremunerative prices for wheat ing the international market, if the prices because of which we had to face tremen- of the wheat that are available, due to this dous difficulties and there has been all 299 Procurement atui Pricing APRIL 3, 1974 policy of wheat for 300 1974-75 (Dis.y [Shri B. R. Shukla] honest persons. Let us create an along bungling throughout the whole atmosphere where honest persons can country. We, the members of the ruling prosper without detriment to the weaker party, repeatedly impressed upon the sections of the society, Government to raise the procurement price of wheat. But we do not know what Bajra is available at Rs. 150 per quintal, reasons, or unreasons, prevailed with those the price of wheat was fixed at Rs. 86 who were responsible for handling the in the beginning and was then raised to policy on foodgrains, the prices were not Rs. 95. Can there be a more cruet .stroke changed. on the peasantry than this ? The whole economy has turned topsy-turvy. There* Now, socialism cannot be brought about fore, this policy which has been reversed piecemeal. though our party stands should certainly be welcomc to all. B> committed to mixed economy. We cannot allowing SO per cent of the commodities regulate the price of one commodity »n purchased by the wholesaler to be sold at complete isolation, after leaving the prices an> rate he likes, 1 would submit, the econo- of commodities free in ofher spheres. If mic forces would take care of themselves. tbe price of wheat has to be fixed, then the There is nothing new in this When late prices of industrial goods, fertilizer, cloth Shri Rati Ahmad Kidwai was the JKood kerosene, electricity, they will also hav; to Minister, he had taken bold measures. be determined simultaneously. Our policy Food was not a rationed commodity at want not successful bccause v.e wanted to that time and Heavens did not fall. 1 tan introduce wholesale trade only in one say with confidence that there is no scarcity commodity. If we are not prepared to of foodgrains in the country, f\en today regulate the prices of othsr commodities the tenants have got wheat in their stock, which arc essential for everyday use, then but they did not come forward with thetr let us make a departure by not taking over stock bccause Government v\as not pre- the wholesale trade in wheat. So, to that pared to pay the remunerative price, other- extent, this policy is a welcomc one. wise, the market would have been flooded We stand by the exploited, by the vulner- with foodgrains and there would have been able sections of society. I think every- no scarcity of foodgrains to any section of body in this House stands for the consumers. amelioration of the exploited, the weak Now there rs one danger. People who and the vulnerable section of society. Now belong to the vulnerable section of the by introducing the policy of wholesale society may suffer for some time by not trade in wheat, have we improved their getting the foodgrains at a price within lot? Tlvsrickshaw-wala is not getting ration their means. For that I would suggest that from the ration shop; the railway labourer the Government should supply them does not get the ration from the ration at cheap rates; it should go in for even shop. Only the black-marketeer is prosper- subsidising such sections, if necessary. ing. The middle-men are prospering. For their benefit we had not introduced 1 read some statements coming from two this policy. Now we have replaced the leaders belonging to Jan Sangh—one wa*> wholesale traders by another class of Mr. Kanwar Lai Gupta of Delhi and the bureaucracts who themselves indulge in other, Shri L. K. Advani. They have said exploiting the situation. Let us not turn that they are going to hold a demonstration the whole nation into a nation of di*> against fixation of higher prioes for uheat 301 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 (S^KA) policy of wheat for 302 Pricing 1974-75 (Dw.) Mr. Vajpayee, when U.P. elections were cbmniodities. Since they cannot pres- going on, said that tlie price of wlieat should surise the Government, you call them reac- be fixed at Rs. 105 per quintal. Novy when tionaries. • Nobody is prepared to listen to the Government has fixed the price at them even if they speak out something Rs. 105 per quintal, his colleagues are sensible, something reasonable, something coming out with a different version. They in their own enlightened interest. want to hunt with the hound and run with the hare. They want to take political Government deserves our congratulations. advantage of every decision which this Of course, infallibility is the monopoly Government makes. There is no use of of Mr. Piioo Modi who has said that last listening to whatever they say. If we say, year our policy was a foolish one, it was retain the wholesale trade, they will say, an unwise one etc. I do not share that view. no. If we say, let everything be free, they will We could not ignore the political set up in say, no, it should be subject to statutory this country. After all, Food and Agri- rationing. They are prepared to say any- culture is a subject in the concurrent list. thing at any time. If we say it is day, they Its implementation depends upon State will say it is night; if we say it is night, they machineiy. We can’t dictate terms to the will say, it is day. T hat is their attitude. State machinery. If the instruments of implementation are not sharp enough the So far as our leftist friends are concerned, policy would fall. We have to give proper they seem to be worried about weaker shape to our policy. But we cannot say sections of society. They say that the that the policy itself was vwong. Government is reactionary. They say Government is influenced by hoarders, If the climate did not suit at that time, we by black-marketeers, by big farmers, by had made a departure. Let us experiment so called kulaks, etc. 1 ha\e to ask one with it. After all, in a developini; question. They talk so much for locomen country, chances get changed and one has who move the wheels or industry and trans- to adjust himself according to the circum- port, they plead so much for them. But stances. if a little peasant retains a bit of foodgrains for use before the ne.xt harvest, so that he SHRI C. T. DHANDAPANl n’lay not starve, you want to paint him as a (Dharapuram) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, the traitor, anti-national, anti-patriotic and wholesale trade takeover by Government reactionary and so on. I say, India is a and its going back on it is nothing but a country of tenants, peasants and middle political stunt. Just for the sake of U.P. and class people. We have got the system of Orissa elections, that has been introduced. democracy. And if democracy is to be And after the election was over, that maintained, then, the tenants’ position has been given up. Even the friends of the should not be jeopardised. Government ruling party do not seem to have appre- has got massive majority. They can very well ciated this decision. There is absolute say that tenants who do not sell the food- starvation death which is also subject to grains would be sent to jail or prosecuted. exploitation by Government. The Govern- But what is the use of it ? If a microscopic ment is ever ready, as usual, to find a scape- section of labourers can hold the society goat for this. States are lethargic in regard to ransom, do you think that the small to procurement of foodgrains. There is peasants cannot keep a little thing for him- mass discontent among the people. An self till the time of the next harvest ? He is unwise decision taken by the Central Govern- responsible for producing essential food ment was forced upon the Tamil Nadu 303 Procurement and Pncmg APRIL 3, 1974 policy of wheat for 304 1974-75 (D/s) [Shri C T Dbandapani] Mo Food import Government Excepting Tamil Nadu “Union Food and Agriculture Minister Government, al! the other States are ruled Shn Fakhruddin Alt Ahmed today ruled by the Congress Party The F C T organi- out import of foodgrains to meet any sation is there under the control of Central shortfalls in production as a result of Government What action has the Central drought situation this year' Government taken against the State Govern- ment* or vested interests in the party or m ‘ Mr Ahmed said at a press conference the society who dtd not co-operate with the that the 9 5 million tonnes of buffer stock procurement of toodgrams } Proceedings and the department s stock of foodgrains of the Congress Parliamentary Part) would would be sufficient not only to meet an> show that the former Chairman of the apprehended shortage bur will have a FC1 is being cnmtnallv prosecuted for carry-over mirgin ot I 5 million tonnes working against the f C 1 Nationals for the ne\t >cat Besides the late turn itself happens to be a failure because arrival of monsoon had improved the of the shortcoming* of this Government kiwrif piospccts And the people of this country have lost faith m the nationalisation programmes Then the Piimt Minister also said on 1st whcatiier it is nationalisation of the banking Mav 1973 al Kanpui that then* would be industries coal industnes or an> other no imports Ihe report savs indirttiics The performance of the public Piime Minister denies reports of sector undertakings has piovcd that the impoi ts Government are not delivering the goods to the public This is the position The Pume Minister Mr Indira Gandhi today described as false and I want to ask one question from Govern misleading press itports that India would mcnt What steps are the Government import 7 million tonnes of foodgrains going to take m all these things Ihe leaders at the centre very often give pro- The Minister of State Mr Shmde also aatd mises that the price * will not go up This in Bangalore m Shri K Lak kappa’s State was the promise given by our Prime that there would be no import of food in Minister also No action has been taken 1972 After four months, he said m so far m this regard Take for example Poona on 11th December, 1972 that ‘Ships France Thev introduced virtually a system are coming next month earning wheat’ of price freeze in a number of food articles 17 hr* to suit their regulation There was a strict control on the profit margin for the essen- SHRI K LAKKAPPA (lumktirj what tial commodities I want the Govern- was wrong «i it * ment to tell us whether thev would nee that SHRI C T DHANDAPANI I am the prices are regulated and that they are coming to that point presently The Pnmc strictly controlled Minister denied the fact that they were About stocks, they have been telling us going to import wheat At the same time, that we have had enough stocks and we a report m the Jndkm Exp* ess of Jttty 25th need not import wheat from other countries said ‘Government decide to import 6 5 The hon Minister for Food, Shn Ahmed million tonnes of food’ I am stating til has said on 9th August, 1972 which has been this and Quoting all these thing* just to show reported in the Economic Times as follows that Government themselves did not know 305 Procurement and CHAlTRA 13, 1896 (SA KA) policy of wheat for 306 Pricing 1974-75 (Dis.) the stock that they were having in their That has been prohibited by the Central godowns for distribution to the public. Government. At the same time, the West ~ I Bangal Government is being permitted to Even the USSR which experienced one import rice from Nepal. I do not know how of the worst droughts in 1972 and had a tbis is possible. The West Bengal Govern- bumper harvest last year had purchased a ment will purchase rice from Nepal through large quantity of wheat which helped it to private agents. The Reserve Bank has bolster the wheat supplies. Argentina had agreed to sanction the necessary funds. offered a large quantity of wheat which we This has appeared in thc Hindustan Standard could have purchased The report says: of 12-1-74. Business between one State in the country and another country is being "Argentim has offered to supply permitted, but within the country itself, regular quantity of whe it , provided India trade between two States is not permitted. is prepared to sign a long-term agreement I I do not understand this logic. \ for about four years." ~ Before the takeover of this trade, the At th it t im s, th e Central Government Government of Tamil Nadu were getting were very reluctant to do so. Had we 35,000 tonnes of wheat a month. The entered into an agreement with them, we demand was much 1110re. After this so- would not h ive pad more price fOI' thc called progressive measure, the allotment whcu which we arc importing from abroa-i, was reduced 10 9,000 tonncs, Those who and secondly the people in certain States hJVC been habituated to wheat and wheat wo.rld not have starved. I accuse this products have been deprived ofthis essential Government of deliberately discarding item of food. The policy which Govern- t h ; offer nude by Argentina and wasting ment have introduced has been gracefully the Government money ann actually taken back. The policy was evolved by -aarving the people in ccr tain States. Government not for the common masses but for political gain, just to please some . Now, I would like to say something about people within their party and the parties 1111own State Tamil Nadu. As far as we with whr rn they are allied now. arc concerned. we grow more paddy. We p oncr so nc pad Jy to the neighbouring States. Another unwise decision taken by the W.;; used to send it to Gujarat , West Bengal, Central Government without consulting Mah arashtra and other States and we used the concerned States was this. The Food to directly despatch to those States and we Ministry issued a dictatorial order sitting have received congratulatory letters from in Delhi like the Nawabs and Padshas 1h'::;11. But the Central Government has of the Moghul period, that is lifting curbe.l it. They do not want the Tamil the restriction 011 movement of coarse Nadu Government to have direct dealing grains. In order to make coarse grains with other States. We are short of certain available to some States, they dired up commodities. For instance, we need elec- availbility in other making these States ((icity from the Kerala State and we need famine areas leaving the people to starve. pulses also, and we have to purchase them This is neither a wise nor a rational policy. directly from them. On the contrary, we arc prepared to give them paddy. We had I want to ask Government : have you nude an offer to the Kerala Government made any assessment or the requirement of asking for w.ucr in e!fchangc for paddy. each State '? I have no objection to one That offer still stands, State having a surplus diverting it to a 307 Procurement and Pricing APRIL 3, 1974 policy of wheat for 308 1974*75 OMr.) [Shri C. T. Dhandapani] relieved that I am not welshed down by any neighbouring Slate through the FCI, But measure of heaviness, nor do I suffer froft* the system which you have introduced any compunction of conscience when I rise arbitrarily will not help the States. It will to participate in this debate. No sense of only lead to national disaster. The principle sentimentalism is crippling me either, which the Government of India have evolved because, according to me, this is not a sub- with regard to single-State zones for wheat ject for sentimentalism. This is a subject and rice should be followed for coarse grains for our evaluation on a factual basis. as well. In the case of wheat. Government have declared a policy of collecting 50 per There are two methods by which we can cent levy. But the very same Central approach this subject. One is the theore- Government, the very same Food Ministry, tical point of view and the other is the has refused to comply with the request of practical point of view. Theoretically, a State Government to collect lesy of coarse if you had taken the position that the whole grains in order to feed the poor and vulnera- sale take-over was a fundamentally far- ble sections of its people. The entire coarse reaching and basic and revolutionary gram trade has been handed over to the step, then any dilution in that slop will traders. The people of Tamil Nadu are certainly disappoint persons who are taking at the mercy of the wholesale traders. up that position. On the other hand, if >ou approach this step of wholesale take- Another demand was put forth m the over as a step induced by practical consi- matter of groundnut and groundnut otl. derations to face a particular situation .the Nowadays the pricc of edible oil is exorbi- only yardstick by which this modification tant and the common people cannot afford is to be judged is by the consideration as it. They want cheaper oil. But just to to whether this modification will alter the help the big monopoly houses like Tatas situation. and Birlas for manufacturing soaps and other toilet items, the Central Government refused permission to the Government of Tamil 1 am not one of those who has over Nadu to put a levy on groundnut and ground- held the view that the step of wholesale nut oil We are demanding this to ensure take-over as announced by the Government availbilityof these commodities to the poorer was a revolutionary step. After all, what sections of our people at reasonable rates. is revolutionary about «i? There is no But this demand was not conceded. I do change in the production relationship: there not know for whom the Ministry and is no change in the relationship in the agri- Government are functioning here. cultural field. Trade relationships aro allowed to continue at least to the extent Shri Venkatasubbaiah was also saying of retail trade. The wholesaler is allowed to that there must be a single zone for the whole operate in ail other areas; and even with of the South in regard to rice. We strongly respect to foodgratns, out of the 100 million oppose it. If this is introduced in the South tonne* of foodgraias that have to be pro- certainly the reaction wilt be very bad; duced hi this country, the area to be covered the repercussions will be very bad, and the was only to the extent of 24 atttlSoQ tonnes, consequences will be very bad* wftfeh it about 25 par cent. Witii respect to that 25 percent, iwaay that the whole- With these words, 1 conclude, saler shall not operate *od the flttMtura SHRI C M. STEPHEN (Muvattu* To the ta- puzha) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, I fed lent of eight tdiliiQki tonnes of wtoftt* for 309 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) polity of wheat for 310 Pricing t#74-75 (Pis.) a particular clans of wholesale operators, the total ban on the wholesaler. The we said you shall not operate then;. I am retailer was there already operating. What unable to find any basic revolution in this was necessary is to create an atmosphere step. Absolutely none at all. It has, of in this country where under the vast masses course, a practical side. As against the eight of agriculturists would be made feel that at million tonnoes which is fixed as a target, least tomorrow they will have to hand over we achieved 4.5 million tonnes. The short- the grains to us. That psychological situ- fall is to the extent of 3.5 million tonnes. ation had to be created by political action. My friend* on the other side, and some of In the creation of the political atmosphere my friends on this side also, some openly who contributed what ? There. I place the and others inadvertantly or covertly, were Opposition completely in the dock. The postulating that this is a surrender to the Jan Sangh, the Swatantra and the whole- wholesale trader. My friend Shri Piloo salers were trying to ovate an atmosphere Mody was supporting it by saying that “wc in this country whereunder they made the have won and you have lost" as if this is agriculturists feel that if only they could a victory for the wholesalers. I refuse to hold back they would be able to get a higher contribute to that position. pricc. I can understand that. The CPI (M) joined them. The CPI started anti- What exactly is ths essencc on which hoarding campaign. The strategy of the we operated? We wanted voluntary other parties also was to create tension \urrc7ilir of foodgrams by the whereby the Government would be com- agriculturists of this country at a pelled to give up its policy with the result price level which was low;r than the the wholesalers would succeed. In that price level operating in the market. We strategy all the friends were cooperating said there will be no wholesale available with each other in creating a tense situation to you and therefore you will have to sur- in the country. If, therefore, we have not render the grains to us at a price lo*er been able to induce the agriculturists than the price prevailing in the market, to hand over the entire stuff to us, it and we said that you can sell it either to the was because of the opposition parties retailor or to us, Therefore, the question who from their own point of view combined was we were confronting not purely the to create an atmosphere whereby the agri- wholesale trader but we were confronting culturist was induced to hold back the the vast masses of cultivators in ibis country, gram. demanding and creating a situation where we thought they could be compelled to hand Let us look at it in another way. The over foodgrains to us at a lower price, Rs. Agricultural Prices Commission s Report 70 or Rs. 80 or Rs, 90 or whatever it is, says that 20 million acres of land are under when the ruling price was far higher. We wheat 'cultivation. Assuming that there failed to get the entire quantity. According are about 12 to 15 million holdings under to rae, it is a miracle that we got 4.5 million wheat cultivation and each agriculturist tonnes by this voluntary operation. withholds half a quintal of wheat what would have happened ? The total wheat Here they say that we have completely that—would have escaped from the hands fa M I do not understand how we have of the PCI would have been five million failed. W * m ust find out how exactly the tonnes; no hoarding is necessary for that; JM P&ulltirjft* could be induced to hand over no smuggling is necessary for that. Hits ^ to us. We are removing wholesale operation, intuitively resorted to 311 Procurement and PricingAPRIL 3, 1974 policy of wheat to3*2 t 1974-75 <0fe) fShrt C. M. Stephen] othar people also to operate in the fidd, is by the agriculturists running into militant, the real question. Thete are wholesalers. would have had the effect of depriving the This is a mixed economy. This is not a FOI to the extent of 3.5 million tonnes. completely State economy This is not a It will, therefore, be wrong to characterise it monopolistic cooperative economy either as a total failure. It has succeeded to a This is a mixed economy. These are traders certain extent. and they assist us to a certain extent they can We are facing a new situation Produc- can assist. What we should do is to put tion is not as high a* we thought Imports them under certain restraints and under are not avaiable Here I wish to r e f re to certain regulations It is only by trial to what my friend M r Tndrajit Gupta was and error that we can succeed This saying He says that if we import from is the only possible thing In taking somewhere it is bad. but if the same stuff over wheat trade, 1 do not agree that comes \ia somewhere else it is absolutely we had taken a revolutionary step and good That sort of approach is wrong m giving it up, m modifying the take-over policy, I do not agree that there isan> Let us not be ashamed of our achieve- surrender to the monopolists or to the pro- ments which are reall> grand In 1947, the fiteers It is against a hard situation that population was 10 crores Then we were wc took this step I he practical result importing to the tune of 40 lakhs of tonnes wav, to the extent that wt expected, we could of foodgrains Today the population is not procurc Wc arc resorting to sotm 60 crorcs In 1972 the imports were to the other step, to achieve greater procurement tune of four lakhs of tonnes Only with so that we are able to hold a buffer stock imported MufT we can feed 30 crorcs in The proof of the pudding is m the cat mg 1947 and today 60 crorcs are being fed with The test is whether, without import, vot with our indigenous stuff This is a will he able to make available tht maximum heartnmg picture and this shows that there to the masses m this country and whether ts a real achievement b> the Government this invidious, sinful distinction between in relation to *K agricultural and distribu- State and State surplus and debut will end tion policies whereunder. m Kerala I have to pjiv lodav, the change-over is not so material Rs 5 per Kg., whereas across the border at ail We say that the wholesalers can also in Tamil Nadu, my frtend ts to pay onK operate under certain restraints This is Rs I 50 per Kg If this is so, national ail we are saving Now, Sir, a son of integration ts not going to be achieved adjustment ts being made May I ask, m Therefore, equalisation has got to be aJfctfed Soviet Russia, in 19)7 or 1918, did >ou not If this will contribute to that then of cotirwc resort to a particular step ? Did you not it is a step in the right direction and 1 welcoax resort to a new economic policy ? Did you this step. not resort to a ’tax on the farmer' policy 7 Did you not give up that pohcy Did yon sftSWH ( W t ) : W rfo not reintroduce the same thing 1 Did fnw t*r vt& flwr i* *r*t N t wc you jump on to the position of collective f t v t * w f tf t mm # m m i ** fanning and all that 7 This is absolutely swwtf % wnr t tit necessary because we are dealing with the question of foodgrains. When we have to feed sixty crones of people, whether Govern- ment should take-over or they should permit wt w r N v * 311 Procurement and CHAITRA 13, 1896 (SAKA) policy of wheat for 314 Pricing 1974-75 (Dis.) ’VtT *lfe*W PjsW TT 0 [Shri Shyamnaadan Misbra] ,^wcwRr tujfawr« **$, $ww ^r ^jpsilSwf 'wwr sale trader would be scpocks to collect #*w $ht t t *t wfim wirnepnr|ftr but to supose levies on every market and every wholesale trader particular quantity could be laid down for pro- If WTff f*W 5FWW $ I curement by Government. Let them not leave It to them and let them not leave it vfrtm tm ym ** wr m iM t ? to their inspector to calculate what is SO mmfw vrffr r d v m <«* 1 per cent of what has arrived. The 50 per cent that they arrive at is an uncertain quan> tity. One really docs not know what It is • v tr n im to r i (*rrcfa) • *rar- gemg to be. If they want that 12 million 1r mpi, Vi wr«r ^ ftwrirop % tonnes have to be procured, then let them ify, fipf 'fitwrn t? fvgr vni wrvrft distribute it over a ll' the mandis and unron **r w vr «*wrr *r all the wholesale traders and make a *?r *nr ^wx ffa tfr % i 1* *rm firm and perfect calculation about it and firn, 7*r Sc art *r «wrfc writ % ask them to deliver the prescribed quantity. Probably they would cooperate with fa ipr wptj & ftw* *r*if fit# fim Government. TFtik k 1 1 fa# ipr ftf # | t 1 ^ ^rr w»twt *n$ sto ^rtrrft «rwrr w#r ^ fftaft «ipnr^»5ft»r ^tfr^, aw ^rsnrw >rm ft« w ifi wV si^vt^t 1 Vtt|f % ifV vtliv wiw wtt ^Wi *r*nrnrt writ « n w ^ W *t ^ r »# 4 k iftH % m * P m * t?ift m m 335 Procurement and Pricing APRIL 3, 1974 policy cf wheat for 336 1974-75 (Pis.) 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