Fifth Series, Vol. VI, No. 46 Monday, July 2 6 , 1971/ Sravana 4,1893 (Saka)
LOK SABHA DEBATES
Second Session (Fifth Lok Sabha)
LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT
NEW DELHI
Price.Re. 1.00 (Fifth Series, Vol-VI, 2nd Session, 1971)
N o. 46—Monday, July 26, 197JISravana 4, 1893 (Saka)
C o l u m n s Oral Answers to Questions—
♦Starred Questions Nos. 1352, 1354, 1356, to 1358, 1360, 1362, 1365 to 1368, 1370, 1371, 1374 and 1379. ... 1—34
Written Answers to Questions—
Starred Questions Nos. 1351, 1353, 1355, 1359, 1361, 1353, 1364, 1369, 1372, 1373, 1375 to 1378 and 1380. . 35—45
Unstarred Questions Nos. 5882 to 5971, and 5973 to 5994. ■ 45— 117
Statement correcting Answer to USQ. No. 3874 dated 5-7-1971. ... 117— 18
Papers Laid on the Table ••• ■■ 118— 19
West Bengal Budget 1971-72 ; Demands for Grants (West Bengal) 1971-72 ; Statutory Resolution in Relation to the Slate of West Bengal— adopted ; And West Bengal State Legislature (Dele- gation of Powers) Bill...... 11^—224
Motion to consider ...... 120 Shri D. N. Mahata 120—25 Shri G. Viswanathan ...... 125—28 Shri Subodh Hansda ... ••• ... 128—34 Shri Samar Guha ... 134—42 Shri S. N. Singh Deo ••• ••• 142—44 Shri H. N. Mukerjee ...... 144—50 Shri R. N. Barman ... ••• ... 150—51 Shri Tridib Chaudhuri ... 151— .6 Shri Priya Ranjan Das Munsi...... 156—63 Shri M. Satyanarayana Rao ...... 163—66 Shri B. K. Daschowdhury ...... 166—75 Shri Boksi Nayak ...... 175 Shri Lutfal Haque ...... 175—78
•The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member.
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Co l u m n s
Shri Manoranjan Hazra ... ••• 179—84 Shri M. Ram Gopal Reddy ...... 184—85 Shri Hamendra Singh Banera ...... 185—86 Shri K. R. Ganesh ...... 186—92 Shri K. C. Pant ...... 192—206 Clauses 2, 3 and 1...... 22 4 Motion to Pass ...... 224
West Bengal Appropriation (No. 2) Bi l,l/i ...... 224—27
—Motion to Introduce ...... 225
—Motion to Consider ...... 226 Shri K. R. Ganesh ...... 224—25 Dr. Ranen Sen • ... 225—26 —Clauses 2, 3 and I...... 226—27
—Motion to Pass. 227
Finance (No. 2) Bill, 1971. ... ' ...... 227—44
—Motion to Consider ...... ••• 227 Shri Yeshwantrao Chavan ...... ••• 227— 36 Shri Jagdish Bhattacharyya ... 236— 39 Shri N.K.P. Salve ...... 239—44
Half-an-Hour Discussion— R:, Import of Aluminium through MMTC...... 244 52 Shri D. D. Desai ...... 2 4 4 -4 8 Shri L. N. Mishra ...... 249—52
the existing hotel capacity. LOK SABHA DEBATES
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CHEMICALS be pleased to state whether M R . SPEAKER : That is not a question Government propose to set up a coal-based which arises out of the main question. fertilizer factory in Singrauli coal-fields area to meet the fertilizer requirements of the TmtW fajj : ft 5TT7% 3’TTT country ? 4 ^TT'T'TT ^TfTcTT g ^ *T T W THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ?rrq-% 1 a ftr sft st t t MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND ^qr?r ^ ^rr | =nf ^ ^ ^ ^ CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH) : f m m g-smfr ffWr ? m i ^ N o , sir. spsff IT £fk T 'i fiRtff If SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH : I had expected the hon, Minister to give a ^rrfq^r ^T^ft fr*ft ? comprehensive reply about this. Looking to the background of this question—this area ^sfr g tf? 't t h : w *TT
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EFT*r i M R . S P E A K E R : H e asked a specific Setting up of Coal-Based Fertilizer question about a fertiliser factory to which Factory at Singrauli a specific reply of ‘No’ was given. He should not divert it to bring in other matters. For *1354. SHRI RANABAHADIJR SINGH: the other matters, he may table a separate Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND question. Ural Answers SRAVANA 4, J893 (SAMTA) Oral Answers 6
Suggestion of Pakistani Representative RESOLUTION ON LAST at Meeting of Afro-Asian Solidarity PAKISTAN Organisation Regarding Bangla Desh Refugees The Executive Committee of A. A. P. + S. O. in its tenth session held from 23rd to *1356. SH RI N IH A R L A SK A R : 24th June, 1971, in Damascus having consi- SHRI P. GANGADEB : dered the situation in East Pakistan and the regrettable problem of refugees : Will the M inister o f E X T ER N A L AFFAIRS be pleased to state : — Being aware of the significance of the struggle of the Afro-Asian (a) whether the Afro-Asian Solidarity peoples against imperialism and Organisation which held its meeting at exploitation. Damascus recently avoided censure of Pakistan in regard to her policy towards Bangla Desh ; and — Deploring the great human calamities that colonialism, neo- (b) whether the Pakistani representa- calonialism and imperialism are tive made a suggestion that India being a inflicting to the militant peoples vast country could keep the refugees of the Third World. permanently ?
Calls for the realisation of the follow- THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE ing : MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) The Afro-Asian Solidarity Organisation 1. That a just and human solution be considered “the situation in East Pakistan found to the problem of refugees so and the regrettable problem of refugees” that they can return to their home- overruling the objection of the Pakistani land as soon as possible in order to delegation. The text of the Resolution is enable the whole people of Pakistan placed on the Table of the House. to fight unitedly against colonialism, imperialism. (b) According to information available to the Government no such suggestion was 2. That the Secretary General of A. A. made by the Pakistani representatives. On P. S. O. be requested to follow up the contrary, they endeavoured without the development of the situation. success to question the enormous magnitude of the refugee influx.
MR. SPEAKER : This question was already answered the other day.
Text of the Resolution SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Besides the forum of this non-official organisation, are No. 102/17/1-B any official efforts being made by our Government to make the Afro-Asian coun- tries interested in the Bangla Desh issue ? XTH EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE Has any official been deputed for this SESSION OF AFRO-ASIAN purpose ? PEOPLES’ SOLIDARITY ORGANISATION DAMASCUS-SYRIA SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH : 23/23 JU N E 1971 This is a private organisation and the Government of India are not directly con- Political Committee cerned with it. O ral Atutwmr* JULY 26, M71- Orei Aniwets SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : I inked SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH: This whether besides this notKofficial organisa- was not a conference in whieh the' govern- tion, any effort has been made by our ments Of the Countries concerned parti- Government to make these countries interes- cipated. The participating delegations did. ted in the Bangla Desh issued not reflect the viewpoints of their Govern* ments. THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH): Acute Shortage of Houses in West We tyre in touch with countries both in Bengal Africa and Asia, here in Delhi through their representatives and also in the various *1357. SHRI H. N. MUKERJEB : capitals. Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to state : SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : Has it come to the notice of Government—-it has appea- (a) whether housing shortage is acute red in the press also—that recently Tengku in West Bengal particularly in Calcutta and Abdul Rahman, former Prime Minister of the surrounding industrial area ; Malaysia and now Secretary-General of the Islamic Secretariat, said in Rawalpindi that (b) whether the West Bengal Govern- he did not expect the refugees to return ment had submitted any scheme to the home as long as fighting continued in East Urban Development and Housing Financc Bengal ? If so, have Government ascertained Corporation for constructing housing estates about it and tried to have it impressed upon and land development in the Greater Cal- the Pakistan Covemment. . . cutta area ;
(c) if so, the main features of the MR. SPEAKER : From the Afro- Scheme; and Asian People’s Solidarity Organisation, he has now gone to Tengku Abdul Rahman. (d) whether the Gorporation has It is not relevant. approved the Scheme ?
SHRI P. GANGADEB : May I lenow THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE whether the Government propose to review MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING India's policy towards some countries which (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) Yes, Sir. supported Pakistan at the Damascus meeting although they are members of the organisa- (b) Yes, Sir. tion ? (c) A statement is attached. MR. SPEAKER : I did not follow it. (d) One of t hese schemes Wz. Kalidaha Land Acquisition and Development Scheme , SHRI P. GANGADEB; Some countries has been approved by the Corporation. The supported Pakistan at that meeting. I remaining Schemes will be considered by would like td know what steps the Govern- the Corporation in due course when suffi- ment is going to take in this connection. cient funds become" available with them. Statement
SI. Name of the Scheme Area Physical Target Total Seed capital required Duration Remarks Ho. invest- from the Corporation of the acres Plots Houses ment Project
Rs. in First year Total ... - lakhs Rs. in lakhs Rs. in lakhs
1. Maniktola Housing Scheme Calcutta 4.16 240 75.44 39.77 64.97 3 years 2. Kalidaha Land Acquisition and Scheme i$ purely for land Development Scheme, Calcutta 36.20 385 — 44.16 14.63 29>00 '3 years acquisition, development and sale of plots. 3. Paikpara Housing Scheme Calcutta 9.7 _ 480 149.79 149.78 3 years -- > vmvavhs V: W 4. Baishnab Ghata Integrated This is an integrated Housing and Land Acquisition project where 3058 plots
and Development Scheme 315 2,478 580 403.00 62.00 224.00 6 years wilt be developed ; out of (vxrsXsw which 580 houses will be built by the Authorities and the rest will be sold as plots. 5. Salt Lake Area 10 . — 600 112.00 28.00 64.00 4 years West Bengal Schemes outside Greater Calcutta :
1. Assansol Land Acquisition and Development Scheme 1,000 8,840 _ 407.15 51.48 100.42 15 years 2, Bidhan Hagar Scheme Durgapur — 500 135.00 26.98 88.37 5 years ■ • .. -. ll ( W i n w ) U t X 2 t , i m . O nt Jmmm <3..
SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : Sjt, I find mode up as early u possible and the from the statement that -the major part of discriminatory Allotment from the Cfntre the scheme refers to acquisition, develop- ceapes ? . . ' . ■ : ■ ' ■ : ment and sale of the plots. May I know what steps are being taken to make sure SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : 1 share the that the sale of plots takes place with anguish of my hon. friend because 1 think relation to the desirable people, that is to Calcutta particularly b one of those fltkss say, where co-operatives are sought to be which causes the maximum concern to us, brought into the pictuee, to make sure that not only from the shortage of houses but the lands and the building$ do not get i to also from the type of houses that are the wrong hands and also that the environ- available. This is the real problem of mental and other circumstances in regard Calcutta now. The difficulty is not about to new housing are secured Lroperly so the availability of funds. The difficulty is that the disposal of the plots for building the assimilating process of the funds them- purposes does not produce the wrong kind selves. For instance, for the basti improve- of results ? ment scheme for the last year, 1970-71, we had sanctioned Us. 150 lakhs. Unfortuna- SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : So far as the tely, only about Rs. 60 lakhs could be details of the scheme are concerned, spent. The process of spending of the naturally these are left to the local State money is very difficult because of tbs circum- Government and the Boards wherever they stances prevailing in Calcutta. Our real exist. They have to work out the details. concern at the moment is, if funds are made While approving the scheme, the Corpora- available they are made use of and th tion does review these aspects that fit in projects take off. 1 can assure my hon. with the concept of the urban development. friend that we will not let Calcutta or West So far as housing is concerned, I might bring Bengal down for funds* sake. to the notice of my hon. friend that in the fourth Five Year Plan, there arc a number DR. RANEN SEN : In the statement of schemes oiher than the one that has been under the heading 'schemes outside Cal- referred to the Corporation. For instance, cutta’, there is a scheme, Assansol land the Plan provides for Rs. 620 lakhs for acquisition and (development scheme. It is housing in West Bengal, and for urban stated that the duration of the project is development, another Rs. 66 lakhs. The fifteen years. May I know whether this CMDA schemes (including basti improve- project has already started operating aod if ment) also total up.o another Rs. 431 lakhs. so what is the date of the operation and how it is being operated and which is the SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : In view of agency for its operation ? the Centre being in change of West Bengal, 1 would require a closer relationship. Any- SHRI I. K. GUJRAL : My friend has how, my second question is this. The not seen the statement carefully. The state- answer on the 23rd July elicited the informa- ment is only abput schemes which have been tion that an organisations like the LIC gives submitted to the Corporation and funds that assistance to the different State Governments have been asked for. Asansol scheme is for the construction of houses, but the one such scheme submitted to the Corpora- figures appear to be very discriminatory. tion for consideration. W at Bengal gpt between Rs. 135 lakhs and Rs. 175 Ukhs, while Maharashtra got bet- Exploration of Petroleum Deposits ii ween Rs. 650 lakhs and Rs. $50 lakhs. Andaman and Nicobar Islands Gujarat got between Rs. 820 lakhs and Rs. 1,010 iakh*. This kind of discrimina- *1358. SHRI B. S. MURTHY : Will tion appears to be practised. Mgy I know, the Minister of PETROLEUM AND In view of West Bengal being in charge of CHEMICALS be pleased to state : the Centre, and in view of the very difficult housing situation in West Bengal, If any (a) the efforts made to estimate the steps have already been token or are being petfofeium deposits in the sea abutting the taken to make sure that the lag in housing Andaman and Nicobar Islands ; and construction in West Bengal is sought to be (b) if exploration was dona, whether 13 '• Or*t Ans**4 SRAVANA 4, 1893 (SAKA) Oral Answtts 14
«iiy ftWSgn «*perts **sodatedAfld the teterftifytog tfttffr Efforts to explore crude countries to which they belonged ? ott in the d ff im arm other parts Of the country ? THE D>EPUfY MINtSTfeR IN THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND SHRI P. C. SETHI : It is certainly oor CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH) : desire and we are intensifying our search for (a) No efforts to explore for petroleum Tilde In off shore and land areas where the deposits in the offshore area adjoining the deposits are likely to be found* But this Andaman and Nicobar Islands have been question has to be viewed from the point made so far. of view of our technological know-how and (b) Does not arise. the resources at our disposal. We are mak- ing sincere And honest efforts to do as much SHRI B S. MURTHY : Has the oft shore work as possible. Ministry any idea about the petroleum de- posits in onshore Andaman ? Population Growth in Rural Areas of West Bengal THE MINISTER Of* PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS (SHRI P. C. SETHI) : ♦1360. SHRI SUBODH HANSDA : As far as Andaman-Nicobar area is con- Wifi the Minister of HEALTH AND cerned, it has been pointed out that no FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to seismic work has been done ; but as far as state : Bombay High is concerned, that is being (o) whether population growth in West done. Bengal is much more in comparison to other States ; SHRI S. C. SAMANTA : May I know (b) whether this growth Is in very whether any exploratory wo*k was done high percentage in Industrial belt among in Andaman and if so with what result 1 the poorest section of the society in rural Bengal; and SHRI P. C. SETHI r Only the geologi- cal field party of the ONOC has conducted (c) what specific steps are being takeri some surveys about the rock structure th6re. to stop sudh growth ? A study is being done whether this rock THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE structure is of interest. As far as seismic sur- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY vey is concerned, we shall have to do it PLANNING (SHRI Ak K. KISKU) : (a) either by contract seismic vessel or by According to 1971 Census Provisional data, acquiring seismic vessels. the State of West Bengal had a population growth rate of 27.24% during 1961—70 and SHRI P. K. DEO : In View of the fact was eighth highest amongst the States in that in Sumatra there is plenty of oil and India. the great Nicobar island is only 75 miles from the tip of Sumatra, may I know (b) In the Absence of detailed figures of whether any seismic survey or aero-mag- 1971 district-wise Census data tod other netic survey has beeri done of Nicobar characteristic of population which are still Islands ? awaited, it is too early to express an opi- nion id thft m m . SHRI I*. C. SETHI : As I pointed out, (c) The programme is being stepped up no seismic survey has been done in this through concentration of motivation and area. Actually we Want to do seismic sur- services in populous districts ; setting np vey of the entire continental shelf Of India. po$t-paffura centres, special efforts in or- We shall have to get seismic Vessel and we ganised and industrial sectors* and by pro- are In touch With the parties concerned viding more services and facilities in rural to either purchase a seismic vessel of areas. ' ; i; , hire it SHRI SUBODH HANSDA : In accor- SHRI JAG A NATH RAO : In view or dance with (he answer given t?y the hon. oligopolistic tendencies oh the ftart of the Minister the growth of population in West btg dfl oortipartles who are figging the ptf&s Bengal H 27.24 per cent. I would like to Pf crude, have the Government thought of know whether this r*te of growth is po* 15 Oral Antwer* JULY 26, W l r Oral Atawtn !«
higher than what Government expected with SHRI A. K. KISKU : This refngee in- their present family planning programme, fiux has nothing to do with it* and whether any study has been made as to why this rate of growth has been so SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : high. There was refugees influx previously also. SHRI A. 1C. KISKT* : From the figures it appears that West Bengal does not figure SHRI A. K. KISKU : The total pro- very h&h in growth rate compared to other gramme in different sectors of family plan- States, but in the last three or four years ning in West Bengal is in full swing. health and family planning centres were the special targets of attack by the Naxalites. SHRI D. N. MAHATA : May I know On the other hand* the organised sector, whether there is any kind of booklet on especially the Chambers of Commerce in- family planning in Santhal language to be creased their activities to a great extent. distributed among the tribal people ? So, I would say that the observation made by the hon. Member is not correct SHRI A. K. KISKU : So far as my knowledge goes, there is no such book SHRI SUBODH HANSDA : May I published. know whether Government is aware of the fact that the publicity machinery of family SHRI SHYAMANANDAN MISHRA : planning and the mode of publicity are very How does the expenditure on family plan- weak fn West Bengal ? ning in West Bengal compare with the ex- penditure in other States ? More parti- SHRI A. K. KISKU : The publicity cularly, I want the figure of central assis- machinery is not at all lagging behind. On tance given to West Bengal as compared to the other hand, I would say that various other States. steps have been taken for mtensifijation of the programme. They include intensive SHRI A. K. KISKU : I do not have programme, post-partum programme, com- the exact figures specifically for West Bengal. mercial distribution bureaus, which is the If I am given notice, 1 will surely supply the highest in Calcutta, nutrition programme figure. and immunisation tif mothers and children and setting up of main centres and sub- National Health Service Scheme centres required according to the pattern in the rural areas and providing other facilities *1362. SHRI C. K. CHANDRAPPAN: for the rural population. Will the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA : Fami- state : ly planning propaganda is carried on only in (a) whether the question of introducing the cities and urban areas, and there is lack a comprehensive National Health Service of propaganda in the labour area? and in Scheme in the country has been considered rural areas. This is true of West Bengal by Government ; and also. . So, will the Government consider speeding up their machinery in the rural (b) if so, the decision taken thereon ? areas and labour areas, particularly in West Bengal f THE DEPUTY MlNIStER IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY SHRI A. K. KISKU : This suggestion PLANNING (SHRI A K. KISKU) : (a) wilt be borne in mind. There is no proposal, at present, to intro- duce a National Health Service Scheme on SHRI M. RAM OOPAL REDDY : The a country-wide basis. increase of 2.7 per cent in West Bengal is very high compared to all-India average (b) Does not arise. which is only 2.4. Is it cm account ot the influx of refugees or & it SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE : In view SHRI P. K. DEO : In view of the large of the minister’s statement that one of the influx of refugees from East Bengla, when difficulties in the way of having a compre- the entire border is thrown open I do dot hensive national health scheme is that think there is any consistency between the health is a State subject, may I know if in question and answer and the realities. the Government’s opinion* India being a Union of States is an obstacle in the way MR. SPEAKER : Please ask your of having a national health service scheme, supplementary question. which is an indispensable part of the appa- ratus of Welfare State, if not a socialist SHRI K. P. DEO : Then how are the State 7 In view of that statement, I would- refugees being permitted to come in such lijce to have a clarification as to what large numbers ? Government intends to do about it. SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : THE MINISTER OF WORKS & They are not refugees ; they are freedom HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY fighters. PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT): It is not merely a technical SHRI P. K. DEO : They are refugees question of baing a State subject. An my in this country. colleague has pointed out, it is a question of funds. The Government of India, through MR. SPEAKER : It is a suggestion. centrally sponsored schemes and specially ear-marked grants, is trying to help, but SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH : As there is a limit beyond which it cannot go. far as the unfortunate refugees who are Recently, there has \xm a deejsipn toejUend coming to India from Bangladesh are eon* the CGHS scheme to other places like cerned, they Hall into a separate category Kanpur a*d Cal ibf oppression by Pakistan and they arc ww if c ff % W m riH fifaw m % z taming to Indiatoseek shelter. Otherwise, the normal visa system is functioning with Pakistan. : ; ■ '■ -! f t o w MR. SPEAKER : The question is for {*?) m m m m TO snrftnff eliciting information. Now even a “No” is argued and converted, into **yes” ! % *TTO% if ^ * m t WR* 30 i9 7 i % % y g SHRI SAMAR GUHA : May I know 5 q r m r m x v t f a m x whether recently the Provisional Govern- ment of the People's Republic of Bangla- desh have introduced the visa system for entry into the liberated area and some of («r) qfe eft m vK x v r n qft the foreign journalists have honoured this ? t o srf^rfa^TT | ? If $o, may I know whether our government in going to honour the visa system introdu- THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL ced by them ? AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARN SINGH) : (a) Yes, Sir. MR. SPEAKER : The question was (b) Government do not intend to start about Pakistan. It is only meant for Pakis- a war with Pakistan but hope that foreign tan. governments and international organisations, who are in a position to exert pressure on SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Is Bangladesh Pakistan's military rulers, will do so and not a part of Pakistan ? Am I to under- persuade them to arrive at a political stand that the Government have already settlement with the already elected represen- accepted the position that Bangladesh tatives of the people of East Bengal. This constitutionally no longer belongs to Pa- alone will inspire sufficient confidence in the kistan ? refugees to enable their return to their homes and lands in East Bengal. If, how- ever, the rulers of Pakistan provoke a war MR. SPEAKER : That is why I said with India on any excuse wc are ready to it conccrns Pakistan and not Bangladesh. defend ourselves. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : You can say •ft ifr w *mr: q? zm . SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I only wanted vm x ^ confirmation from the government. ? MR. SPEAKER : I am talking about SHRI SWARAN SINGH : I have no it to you. information. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : I am happy * * * ** to know that the Speaker of this country $ far VIT W ft STOTT % — ■nfagrm fa t t fa PrwBwtt MR. SPEAKER : 1 said that question ^ %?tr | pU pP relates to Hkbm and not Bao*la*>sh. TO ^ 3T( % TOT Why doyov try t9 importmany ^ .... inwit? . . • ■■■■■ ©?...... Ottii Antwcrs SRAVAKa 4, 1^93 {SAKA) Orai Aftswirs 22 :jar^(!^inr: fpr #5 wrtft'i tfa TO^ snrnr^r ^ % i m x * $ m m * r m f | ? wr«n|*r$ : m ^r»nfBcfV $f% ^rr fss? smprr ? fwmfwf vt ?nro %% % fare **far « r w ' . $ | lfr'*T *r?t | I « i k m x « m | ? f t 1 1 « ft g ro ? ^ *rre$arm : 3r f t a rw r g "* ;tP:rRrTC t >t¥ % 3nT«TT *r?r s ij w f^rr | fo < r n w r i f | t w : ^ w t *rrc?r $sr ^ r m r § i * f h 55 tw rm r | tot SHRI INDER J. MALHOTRA : May o tstt &r v t *?r*raT ^ Sr svft % ? I know, Sir, whether since this problem of refugees started there has been any improve- ment in the situation and, if so, what TOW *r$tor : *r*ft JTftor % improvement ? ft? if ^or jr f t S SHRI S WAR A NSINGH : The military |*S* V * fOSFTTH : 5TW TW f i r m w m * n v t \ mwx for arfcT for srr II srro^r ^ t t * r r e r w r vh fvw wwr «w^wr: ^ t t ^ srw m«rm * *rtr 5*r 2T5TT ^rTcTT | I & W & T f c s § ? T ^ I t 3 T H 5 T T 3TCT TOT flRWT % 55ft 3TarRT foTT «TT *TT$cTT i ftp W T *TT 1 ^ t f t I s s r r ^ 1 SHRI SWARAN SINGH : On the question of recognition there was a full- fledged debate on the non-official resolu- |TOT W?* VSfW r : # |P5T sftfi tion. We have made out position clear on ai^frr fa? ^rw foro i 1 the quest ton of recognition. i m w ? f k ^ T i r ^ 4 ^ ^ : 3 ft« n rf« r^ srrrorc to srh: 1 1 ^ m r t w p S m f # srftrferT ®Rr $ ^tprt ^rr^rT f . . '. " V:‘"' ' 23 Orel Answers JULY 26, 1971 O ral 4 * * w m 24 W i n : SHRI HUKAM CHAND KACH- W A l:* * THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Mi n i s t r y o f h e a l t h a n d f a m i l y . MR. SPEAKER : Will you please on PLANNING (SHRI A. K KISKU) : (a) this side advise me what action should I Cost effectiveness of the Family Planning taken agaaist this obstinacy ? Programme for the country as $ while ha not been studied on a uniform basis. Hows «ns WRR W ?ra* *f % STATEMENT SI. No. State/Union Projected Decennial Census Dccennial Territory population Growth population Growth as on 1st Rate 1961 on 1st Rate April, 1971 census St April, 1971 (percentage) 1971 pro* 1961—71 jected population as on 1st March 1. 2 3 4 5 6 1. Andhra Pradesh 44009167 4- 22.06 41394951 + 20.60 2. Assam I6044167f •f 34.71 1584065t -f 32.77@ 3. Bihar 58905167 4* 26.49 56387296 4- 21.38 4. Gujarat 27165167 + 31.31 26660929 + 29.21 5. Haryana 10332167 + 35.72 9971165 ■f 31.36 J&K 4093333 + 14.80 4615176 + 29.60 7. Kerala 21732333 + 28.38 21280397 •f 25.89 8. Madhya Pradesh 41591333 + 28.16 41449729 + 28.04 % Maharashtra 51123167 + 28.94 5029508! + tl.U 10. Mysore 29902000 -f 26.48 29224046 + 23.90 ** X t Includes Meghalaya. @The Growth Rate is based on average of Assam & Meghalaya. n v Omt & tw m SRAVANA 4, 18*3 (SAXA) Oral Amwers U i 3 ■ '4 ■ ' 5 ; 6 li* Orissa 22041167 -4- 25.32 21934827 4- 24.99 12. Punjab 15155333 4- 35.71 13472972 4- 21.00 11 Rajasthan 26895000 V 4- 33.07 25724142 + 27.63 14. Madras (T. Nadu) 40101333 + 18.84 41103125 4- 22.01 IS. Uttar Pradesh 92583833 4* 25.26 88299453 4- 19.73 West Bengal 45023733 + 31.14 44440095 4- 27.24 17.. Nagaland 439311 4- 18.78 515561 4- 39.64 18. Himachal Pradesh 3699926 + 31*21 3424332 + 21.76 IP. A & N Islands 96141 4- 50.66 115090 + 81.11 20. Chandigarh 163082 + 35.64 256979 4-114.36 21. D & N Haveli 73830 4- 27.08 74165 4- 27.95 22. Demi 4397609 4- 64.59 4044338 4- 52.12 23. Goa, Daman & Diu 693673 + 10.59 857180 4- 36.78 24. L. M. & A Islands 27993 4- 15.95 31798 4- 31.90 25. Manipur 1153946 4* 47.32 1069555 4- 37.12 26. N.E.F.A. 400465 4- 18-78 444744 4- 32.14 27. Pondicherry 456661 4- 23.47 471347 4- 27.71 28. Tripura 1547660 4- 35.12 1576822 4- 36.32 Total India 560769297 4- 27.41 546955945 4* 24.57 SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : I made any proper study where this money would like to know correctly whether it is goes, whether its effectiveness is coming 9,323 or 93.23. forth in view of this huge problem of popu- lation in our country. Why has it not THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND been done so ? HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY Secondly, I would also like to know, PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR whether this Government has any target for DIKSHIT) : Rs. 93 crores, 23 lakhs in any particular region or State, that within three years. these three years or four years or five years ' «. .4. , that should be our target. If so, what was SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : the target for West Bengal ? This is again t% question of family plann- ing and if you kinaly look into this cost SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : It that the Government has incurred in the is wrong to conclude from the figures given last three years-*1967-68. 1968-69, 1969-70- in the Statement that the expenditure to avert the possible birth of 41.74 lakhs, incurred has ceased to have effect already the cost incurred is Rs. 9,323 lakhs. It or that it wiH not have future results. On comes to Rs. 93 crores, 23 lakhs and some- the basis of the calculations made by the thing more. ■ On an average, it seems, for Department, 5.20 million births have been one lakh persons 227 lakh point something- averted as a result of work done up to the That was the $ost incurred by the Depart- end of 1969-70*- total, not only in the ment Or, in other words, to avert Id every three years—and in future eventually 22 ease of possible birth, this Government spent million births, according to the estimates 2 lakh 27 thousand and more, In view of made, will be averted as ft result of work tfcfe huge cost, what is the total effective- done up to 1969*70. It is not that, a# a aess ? We do not find anything. So, I result of vasectomy or tubectomy Operations would like to know from the Government carried in a particular year, the t e l result* why it happened that Government baft not ate known* V z5 Oral Atoms , Orti Attwtn & You have to calculate the future period been done; Some very sensational results also. Therefore, this is not a correct way have been achieved. We propose to extend of simply taking the total expenditure Mid this method to other States also. But to total number of births averted. It is not have buildings, a kind of infra-structure a that kind of mathematics. laijte number of personnel, all the jest which has been proposed by foreign experts, SHRI B. K DASCHOWDHURY : I considering our present state of economy, wanted to know whether there is any parti- is something unrealistic. But we. tare conti- cular target for a specified regioq so that nuosly searching for new modes. As I you can work on it effectively. ' explained the other day, and I do not *ant to go into details now, we feel there to a SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT : break-through in the matter of conventional I am not able to give that immediately. and other methods that we are experiment- If you give me notice, 1 will give you ing with. detailed information' about our targets region wise. SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : We do accept that there is a break-through and tj*e SHRI B. K DASCHOWDHURY : expenditure incurred on unborn children May I know whether the hon. Minister will appears to be fairly cheap. But may I agree with me that in effectiveness of this know what is the basis on which with such huge expenditure is due to the fact that in precision the number of unborn has been the rural areas no such intensive programme calculated by the Minister ? has been taken up and that only in district headquarter and in capitals big functions SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT: have been organised and whether he will These are rough estimates prepared by also agree with me that in many of the experts in the land. There is no such rural parts, particularly in West Bengal of absolute certainty about it. which I am very much concerned and I know about that, not even a single centre has been opened. 1 would like to know SHRI CHAPAL BHATTACHARYYIA: whether the hon. Minister will re-examine Will the hon. Minister be pleased to state the whole thing and will give instructions as to the relative cost effectiveness of diffe- to the Department to open more and more rent types of family planning activities that family planning centres in rural areas. have been put into effect ? I would like to know specifically to what extent vasec- tomy has been accepted by the people of SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT: our region in Bihar. As I have said before in this House, 1 would like to repeat that the distribution aff&nge- mcnts for Nirodh are exceedingly extensive SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT: and the agencies chosen are those which are I require notice to give that detail. connected with daily use of consumer goods. Therefore, it has reached the remote corners s f t r t : i of the rural areas so far as conventional method is concerned. In regard to other things* as 1 have said ^ r r j fa ansrotf $r wnrr «rr. fe before, though a certain amount of stability v m x fgrr has been reached and the progress has been slow, our recent experience is that the vtf % faq, ^ ^ f o r * scheme of mobile hospitals particularly fat? f«rr fNrerr i t o -i o t o t arranged for this has produced very very encouraging results. As I said earlier in this House, in Kerala, this programme has sflt 3ft if t #?r I *>f sn srw fif been going oh for some time. The original target for the last project was 15,000 where ^ W I , S W w A as about 20,000 operations were done and in the current project as aigatesi a target of* l r i # ! iwr # s ftfr 20,000 operations, 50,000 operatioaskawe W O m l A m w m SRAVANA4, l89i(SAXA) Ontl Answers 30 ift m utant 0 m * : «r Cenjtral Research institute at Trichur has been established and it will be completed W WT$ # flW TO 1 1 this year. ^ f r o | f% Mutation In respect of Lease-Hold *rgv v t f % *rs vfefw ^ <”ra*r «r?s i(t houses In New Delhi 11 ^mf^r ftnem: ^wrror *1370. SHRI N. S. BISHT ; Will tire Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to state : National Ayurvedic Pharmacy in Ranfkhet (a) whether the Land and Develop- in U. P. and Ayurvedic Research ment Office, New Delhi has been given Institute at Kerala discretion to refuse mutation in respect of lease-bold houses, the sale-deeds of which *1368. SHRI NARENDRA S1NOH : are registered after obtaining the sale-per- Will the Minister of HEALTH AND mission of the President of India ; and FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : (b) if so, the reasons therefor ? (a) the progress made so far in setting THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE up the units for Survey of Medicinal Plant MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING at Ranikhet and Ayurvedic Research Institute (SHRI I K. GUJRAL) : (a) No, Sir. In at Trichur, Kerala ; and accordance with a prescribed procedure, (b) the time to be taken for their mutation h allowed by the Land and completion ? Development Office. Sometimes, delay occurs when there is some flaw in the saledeed or THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE some additional information or document is MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY requited from the lessee or the purchaser. PLANNING (SHRI D. P. CHATTOPA- (b) Does not arise. DHYAYA) : (a) The Survey of Medicinal Plants Unit at Ranikhet (U.P.) has been fa? fa*?: wr SHRI NARENDRA SINGH : I want wrBTrtyifir* *ryrRr 3rr?flr I to know whether it is a fact that a sum of (b) If so, the reasons therefor; and pUedup attfce Nirodh fe o ry Hindustan (c) the steps Government have taken Utea Lim its at Tflvendrum; and to remove it ? (b) If tof the action taken in the matter? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND THE MINISTER OF STAT$ IN THE CHEMICALS (SHRI DALB1R SINGH) : MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (a) Yes, Sir for certain types and brands. PLANNING (SHRI D. P. CHETTOPA- (b) The indigenous production is not DHYAYA): (a) The stock of Nirodh adequate to meet fully the increasing demand with the factory At Trivandrum is about 17 for this drug. million pieces which is the normal Inven- (c) Arrangements have been made for tory level for a factory of this size. The the import of plain insulin crystals through factory is at present fully occupied in execu- the State Trading Corporation. Both Insulin ting orders already placed on it. Lente and Isophanc have been included in (b) Does not arise. the list of essential drugs in the Import Trade Control Policy for 1971-72 so that these SHRI GANGA REDDY : May I know could be imported by Established Importers whether it is a fact, as reported in the news- in ampaules or vidied form apart from the papers that Government want to increase import of the bulk by the actual users. the production when there is a huge stock of Firms manufacturing formulations of Insulin Nirodh there ? are also being assisted to import insulin particularly, the types which are in short SHRI D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : supply. No, Sir. Having taken the demand into account and the projected demand in view, «ft $ft fa ir: snsft % the order that has been placed on the factory is not excessive. s o t t f o «rrccT % s r t t I eft # y§HT i fa to vt SHRI GANGA REDDY : Is it a fact that the factory is situated at Trivandrum % f*nr m z s f t srr but its head office is in Delhi and the f i f&Rrct * % ^ t $ ft $ general manager is a retired officer who is physically handicapped and unfit, and this ? piling up of huge stocks is due to mis- management ? «flr x x m (*h ffto toft) : m m v g m , tgftrc tft *ft SHRI D, P. CHATTOPADHYAYA: The reported personal handicap of the ¥ * f t | s f t STOT PTTf'TT *Tf $ 1 manager is something which has not been f S T T T < 3 [ft % reported to us. However, it will be looked into whether it has any bearing upon the 11 am 3i7ihrrjf5T2 supply of the pieces of Nirodh. TOOT sftvnnr f*TT I I T O * t v r f t i v r < p r r qft *frf*rer sft V* WPP* • $ UT1OT t » | jpsft JTftw % stm r wnprr j ftr??RT f«p faratft w r m # **mr $ wnrflrer flrdv vr jm $ waj t t I w t «n | Pp w r c it H<*rTf fa*r «rrar rtt fw$rr*rc fcntr «r? MR; SPEAKER : No, no. I do not allow the question. o t r t f> ipr% f*n wro wrusrfrwtfc Itepttt ofthe Stady madeby World Bank Missioo on £aet Bengal SHRI D. P. CHATTOPADHYAYA : Situation ! have already said that the stock is not piling up. The stock is absolutely necessary *1379. SHRI C. CHltTrBABU : Will in view of the pattern of demand and the the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pattern of the supply. So far as the use 6f pleased to state : Nirodhfeya particular section of the com- (a) whether his attention has been munity in the 1 country is concerned, it has drawn to the news report appeiting in the been already reported, and I would tike to Times of InM a ditcd the I H i July, 1 9 7 1 report it to the House, that the figures regarding the Add stuJy mide by the available with Government do not indicate World Bank Mission headed by Mr. Peter that it is being utilised by a particular Cargill during its fact-finding tour of East community and not being utilised by another Bengal ; community. This discriminatory aad un- (b) whether a copy of the report has even consumption of Nirddh is reported but not true. been obtained by India ; and (c) if so, whether the report will be laid on the Table 7 t o : *t pt % sVfT SPtfTT % 5WTT 5T^TR THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS it W ^T, w ifTOST ST^fTT ft (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) % i ?r$rforn Yes, Sir. (b) A. copy of the report has been given SHRI S B. GIRI : We know that in on a confidential basis by the Bank to all this country there are some communities Executive Directors including that for which do not adopt family planning whereas India. other communities have been adopting (c) In view of the answer (b) above, the family planning. We also know that there question does not arise. is legislation in this country under which a person belonging to a particular commu- SHRI C. CHITT1BABU : Even though nity, is allowed to marry more than two the report is stated to be a confidential wives and up to four wives. May I know document, since India has an Executive whether the Government is considering to Director in the Bank, could we know the bring forward a legislation to remove this broad features of the report, whether our discrimination in the present law for stand is appreciated or not in it ? effective implementation of family planning by all the communities ? THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SWARAN SINGH) : The MR. SPEAKER : This question is com- document has been circulated as a confiden- pletely off the main question the main ques- tial document. We know what are the tion is whether there is some accumulation of contents of it, but we would feel embarrased stocks at the factory. But now the hon. if we axe asked to disclose its contents. Member ha? gone on to a debate on the merits of family planning. I am sorry I have SHKI C. CHITOBABU : Is our stand to. pass on to the next question. appreciated or not in the document ? SHRI M. RAM GO PAL REDDY: SHRI SWARAN SINGH : I do not Whit thehon. member means to ask is think the document has anything to do witt* that tiace some communities are not using our stand a* such. Nirodh, will Government inmxfuce some convulsion to use it 7 35 ■;. ■ 'H '* A- ^ W M m A m m X WRITTEN ANSWERS TO> «s. * ' ____ ... aw.. m. Ini W ' . . ***Iw W W wRf wW N iulf f wWm THE DEPUTY MINISTER IK THE wi* % m rm MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) Ye*,Sfc. - . I" ' ?i ' 7 f . : : ' p i 351. *it «3frmftqr~~ffhrr: m ; ^f% * n *ptw $ ; can be no normalcy as long as there is t a ; military rule*'. They were of the view that the Pakistan army had pursued a reign of (*r) *w t «fr fro fr«F«r terror in East Bengal completely alienating $ ^ ?nim m ypfarft w r | ? the people from the military regime. This was why more than 6.7 million people had ft*rh;rijk v n m *r*t w t w tsrh left their homes and hearths to take tem- porary refuge in India. These people had ^ f a t a * (Mt t o t m * undergone terrible experiences at the hands *H fcw ) : (sfr) ap p r If of the military authorities in East Bengal. The delegation had been overwhelmed by $ 3TT% *T% f t f N f -ftUr 3TT% the plight of the refugees and the gigantic yNNrf s w r 4fr qftf t a r 4 $ burden which had been foisted on India. They felt that India was doing a remarkable ^ « rf 1 1 zftn ysfatr f$t «n% $ f a job under tremendous stress and strain. fircr i j m *r«rc % Alleged arrest and Detention of Bangle ftsft *ft sra* % «mr *t togt 11 Desh Refugees by India (sr) *ftT (*) % t m *!$f i *1355. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE : Will Study made by the British M.Ps Re : the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be Problems of Bangle Desh pleased to state : (a) whether Pakistan has started new *135 i. SHRI PI LOO MODY: Will propaganda against India that the Pakistani the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be Nationals, who were compelled to cross over pleased to state; to India from Bangla Desh, have been arrested and detained in Jail; (a) whether srveral British Members of Parliament belonging to various politic*! (b) if so, what steps have been taken to parties recently visited Bangle Desh and the counteract this malicious propaganda ; refugee camps in India ; (c) whether this has also beeps brought (b) whether after their own study ofthe to the notice of the Ustfeed Nations; and situation, they had talks with the Govern- (d) if ttfc. the reaction of #ie y»f^d inent of India in New D elhi; and M . Mf&'iAwmto- . SRAVANA4, 1B93 (SA&Q Written Amwers 38 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Acute Scarcity of Drinking Water in MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Htawchar Pradesh (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) Yes, Sir. The Pakistanis have sought to *1361. PROF. NARAIN CHAND make propaganda out of the detention of PARASHAR : Will the Minister of some West Pakistanis who had entered India HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be flfetfiy, pleased to state: t :■ ■ ■ (b) to (d). Government do not under- (a) whether a team of Engineers visited stand why the Pakistan Government should recently a few villages of Hamirpur Tehsil in exhibit special solicitude for a handful of Himachal Pradesh where there is an acute people when they have forced 7 million scarcity of drinking water, to conduct a people to flee East Bengal. survey ; and It is all the more strange that Pakistan (b) if so, the findings of the team should seek to make propaganda about a according to its report ? handful of her nationals when she has failed to provide information about let alone THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND release, a very large number of Indian HOUSING AND HEALTH AND FAMILY nationals in her jails. PLANNING (SHRI UMA SHANKAR DIKSHIT): (a> Yes, Sir. These facts are well-known to our missions and are used for countering (b) A statement containing the findings Pakistani propaganda. of the team is enclosed. Statement Sino-lndian Contacts on People-to-people level The main findings in the Draft Report of the Working Groups for Development of * 1359. SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO :Himalayan Region for Drinking Water Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Supply, Irrigation, Roads and Power few be pleased to state : Hamirpur and Sarkaghat Tehsils of Hima- chal Pradesh are as follows : (a) whether the attention of Government has been drawn to a report in the Indian 1. There are no wells in the area and Express of the 28th June, 1971 stating that people are facing great inconve- Peking has sent fresh instructions to its nience in procuring drinking water* diplomats to develop contacts with ‘‘helpful” 2. At present surface run off water Indians on people-to-people level; from the hills is intercepted and (b) whether Government have received collected in Khatties (underground matcha water storage tanks). The any report in this regard flrom its Mission < water stored in Khatties contains in Peking ; and insects and is hardly fit for human (c) if so, the main features thereof 1 consumption. 3. A scheme for tapping the spring THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE water known as Bouroo, costing MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Rs. 42 lakhs which will also cover (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) to 17 villages in this problem area in (c). The Government has seen the report of Hamirpur, has already been the Hong Kong correspondent of the Indian sanctioned by the Government of Express dated June 27 from Hong Kong. Himachal Pradesh. Ramaining The Government is net aware if any such villages of the Hamirpur side of instructions to have been sent out by Peking, Khad will have to be covered under but Chinese diplomats and representatives a separate scheme based on supply are adopting a normal and correct attitude of water fSrom Beas which is tha to most foreignminduditig Indians in recent only reliable source of prinking months. The Government has not received . " . water in the area* : any ieport from Peking in this regard but 4. A multiple stage pumping scheme oar Commhrsion in Hong Kong has reported - ; will have to be mvestigated in •to tos on tW#'-tft(Etier.-;v'';'',';1-; • ' d ^ t# *uppl^ # , , JU tV . ' W rU m A m tm s 40 vill«*« in S * rM » t *r«« froni The iaformatfpiv is being collected and wil1 Bcas river which is nearly eight be Uidon th^TabteoftheSabba miles from highest point in the . area near Awa Devi. N a t f o ^ ^ w d k .% n m ? WRrr |.hj% S frorr % Sir Wlz Appointment of Government Agency to W | i w w t ¥t*rwar look into Working of Store Organisations of Hospitals fw j *rreft«r w r f tr f s r o vli tr p m ’f in Delhi *iff P r o «rar $ i *t?t t o f t r trc e r >rWr fsr^ jff fir*rc a m f w f t f c *1372. SHRI MULKI RAJ SAINI: Wili the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMI- ^ I ft 5> ?nrar w m w m<& LY PLANNING be pleased to state: & >ft ? r ^ r «r i (a) whether any Government Agency was appionted to look into the working Retrenchment of Employee* working conditions of the Store Organisations of the in General Reserve Engineer Force Centrally administered hospitals in Delhi to improve eflBcieney; *1364. SHRIMATI BIBHA GHOSH ; (b) if so, what were the recommen- Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased dations of that Agency ; and to state : (e) whether Government have imffe- (a) whether a large numbet of employees, mented the recommendations ? who were working in the Gcneim) Research Engineer Force, have been jetteoched during THE MINISTER OF WORKS AND the month of April, IV71 ; and HOUS1NG AND HEALTH AND FAMILY (b) if so, the reasons for the mass PLANNING (SHfcl UMA SHANKAR retrenchment ? r DIKSHIT) : (a) ISo Goyernmeot Agency was appointed specifically to look into the t h e m i n is t e r o f d e f e n c e working of the Slews Organisations in the (SHRI JAGJ1VAN RAM) : (a) and (b). Centrally administered hospitals in Delhi, 4 iv WrHtm Ansvms SRAVANA 4* {SAKA) Written Answers 4i namely, Safdarjang and WiHingdpn Hospi- 10. JhilrailliA. tals. H. North of Mehrauli Badarpur (b) and (c). Do not rise. Road. 12. Sheikh Sarai. Development of Plots in Delhi 13. Prasad Nagar. *1373. SHRJ BHUVARAHAN : Will 14. Bodella. the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to state : 15. Zone H-5 aad H-4. (a) the places being developed in Delhi 16. Zone 0-17. and neighbouring areas for the past three 17. In Zone G-8 near Rajoun Garden. years ; and 18. Keshopur. (b) on what basis the allotment of 19. Near Shankar Road. plots, flats and bungalows are being done ? In d u strial: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 1. G.T. Road, near Azadpur. MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) Statement is 2. Wazirpur. attached. 3. Near Rewari Railway. (b) No bungalow is being constructed 4. Rampura. by the Delhi Development Authority. Flats 5. Jhilmila. are being constructed for allotment to per- sons in the low and middle income groups, 6. Naraina. by draw of lots on cash down or hire pur- 7. Okhla. chase basis. The intending purchasers of 8. Kirti Nagar (for Ware Housing flats are required to get themselves registered and Mineral 9iding). with the Authority under the * Advance Registration Scheme.’ Miscellaneous : As a matter of policy developed plots 1. Truck Terminal near Chandrawal are to be disposed of by auction. However, Water Works. residential plots are also allotted by draw 2. South of Etmg, College. of lots to persons in the low and middle income groups at predetermined rates. Per- 3. Distt. Centre Kalkaji. sons whose lands are acquired for the plan- 4. Distt. Centre Pusa. ned development of Delhi, are also allotted 5. Distt. Centre Karampura. alternative plots at predetermined rates. Goodwill visits by Indian Navy Ships to Statement Foreign Countries List of Areas being developed for various *1375. SHRI S. RADHAKRISHNAN : purposes by D.D.A. Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased to state : Residential; (a) whether the ships belonging to the L Wawrpur. Indiaa Navy were allowed to pay goodwill 2. Shalimar Bagb. visits to foreign countries; and 3. Near Punjabi Bagh on Rohtak (b) if so, the countries of visit during Road. the year 1970*71 T * 4. Naraina. THE MINISTER OFDEFENCE(SHRI 5. East of Kailash. JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) and (b). During «u Friends Colony. s* the year 1970-71, nine ships of the Indian Navy paid goodwill. visits to foreign coon- 7* M«tfidM Issue of Licence to M. P. Industrial Private Sector Development Corporation for manufacture of Nylon Yarn (i) Coromandel Phase II Expansion. (it) Kota Expansion. 5882. SHRI G. C. DIXIT : Will the (iii) Varanasi Expansion. Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI- (b) No, Sir. CALS be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred question No. 819 on the 31st (c) The approximate cost of these pro- 'May, 1971 and state : jects is estimated as under (a) whether Government have since taken Name of project Cost (Rs./ a decision for the grant of a licence to crores) Madhya Pradesh Audyogic Vikas Nigara (Madhya Pradesh Industrial Development ■■I 2 Corporation) for setting up a plant for Public Sector manufacture of nylon yarn in the public seetor; sad (i) Nangai Expansion Scheme 86.80 (b) if so, the particulars thereof ? \ (Ii) Dehottlenecking Pro- gramme in Gorakhpur K-30 THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THJB ministry of Petroleum and (iii) Sindti Modernisation • .. " ' '■ 9ALIHR SISfGJi) : ' ■ - Scheme ■ ■' “ Private Sector set up? ...... * .. (1) Coromandel Phase II THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM 38.38 AND CHEMICALS (SHRI.P. C. SETHI) : (ii) Kota Expansion 8.70 (a) and (b), Y«s, Sir. proposals for setting up new fertilizer factories at the (Hi) Varapasi Expansion 49.80 following locations are, at present, under (d) The time-schedule for completion consideration of Government . has not yet been finalised. Name of the State Location British PafltatoeBtary Delegation's ?iews Re: Return of Bangla Dwh Public Sector R enees 1. Madhya Pradesh Korba 5*84. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH 2. West Bengal Haldia G ARCH A : Will the Minister of EXTER- NAL AFFAIRS be pleased te state : Private Sector (a) whether the attention of Govern- 1. Maharashtra (a) Kamptee ment has been drawn to a press report in (b) Kolaba which British Parliamentary Delegation Distt. which visited East Bengal and Refugees Mithapur Camps in Eastern India has remarked that 2. Gujarat Bangla Desh refugees would not be able to 3. Haryana Panipat return to their homes witnin six months as 4. Punjab Bhatinda anticipated by the Indian Government ; 5. Uttar Pradesh Mirzapur and 6. Bihar Hazaribagh (b) if so, the reaction of Government thereto ? 7. West Bengal Ondal THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS Material used in the Construction of (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH): (a) 2-Roomed Flats In Naraina, Yes, Sir. The British Parliamentary Dele- New Delhi gation’s impression is based upon the "really shocking and horrible*’ things they saw in 5886. SHRI MUHAMMED SHERIFF: East Bengal and the situation prevailing Will the Minister of WORKS AND there. HOUSING be pleased to state : (b) India is keeping these refugees in (a) whether in the construction of trust for the inter-national community 2-roomed flats for Low Income Group in whose responsibility they are. As already Naraina. New Delhi the material has been stated by Government, the refugees must go used in the ratio of 1 : 18 instead of 1: 3 back as soon as possible. To this end, it is which was actually sanctioned ; the duty of the international community to (b) whether the doors to one of th|^ ensure that political conditions are created rooms for the above flats have not been in East Bengal which would enable the provided by Delhi Development Authority refugees to return in dignity And security. though it had approved sanction ; and Setting up of New fertilizer (c) whether any enquiry was held in this Factories regard; if so, the findings thereof ? 5385. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE GARCHA : Will the Minister of PETRO- MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased to (SHRI I. K. GUiRALJ : (a) The work has state : been done as per specifications which are (a) whether there is a scheme traderdifferent for 'difffefent iteins of work. consideration of Government to *et up new . \ (b) Th« work has been carried o v tas ; ; a a d pm approved ’ drawings and doors " 1wve . 49 f Written Answers SRAVANA 4, 1893 {SAKA) ' Written Answers 50 bom provided wherever shown in the draw- apply for allotment of accommodation of ings. Type II, their names are entered in the (c) Does not arise. relevant waiting list oid the basis of their date of priority and they are allotted acco- mmodation as and when their turn comes. Maintenance of Tln-Murtl House, New Delhi (b) Yes, Sir. (c) According to the provisions contai- 5887. SHRI AMBESH : Will the ned i 3 the Allotment Rules, the Govern- Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be ment servants, who are in occupation of pleased to state : lower type accommodation, can refuse the (a) the market value of the Tin-Murti allotment of the entitled type accommoda- House, New Delhi apart from its book tion but such employees, while retaining the value ; and lower type accommodation, are required to pay the licence fee for the higher type or (b) the expenditure incurred annually the type which is in their occupation, on its maintenance in last three years ? whichever is higher, for a period of six THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE months. This rule is applicable to accommo- MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING dation of all tppes in the general pool. (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) : (a) The market Some of the employees, who are at present value of Tin Muiti House is Rs. 2,46,25,882/- entitled to type II, are in occupation of and its book value is Rs. 22,92,369/-. type I also. In the case of type-11 accommo- dation the date of priority covered is 9.7.1953 (b) Year-wise expenditure on mainte-whereas in type III the date of priority nance is as follows :— covered is 15.7.1946. Rs. 1968-69 1,85,893/-. Allotment of Quarters to Scheduled 1969-70 1,87,337/-. Castes/Scheduled Tribes in New 1970-71 2,56,733/-. Delhi/Delhi Allotment of Quarters to Class IV 5889. SHRI AMBESH : Will the Employees, Delhi/New Delhi Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to state : 5888. SHRI AMBESH : Will the (a) the number of Types I, II and UI Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be quarters completed after November, 1969, pleated to state : in New Delhi/Delhi area, locality-wise ; (a) whether class IV Employees when (b) the number of Types I and II they reach at the basic pay of Ra. 110 are quarters allotted to Scheduled Caste/Sche- allotted type II quarters, if they had Type I duled Tribe employees out of the above quarters previously; quarters ; (b) whether the officers entitled for (c) whether 5 per cent reservation has Type III quarters are occupying Type II been completed in the allotment; and quarters in Delhi/New Delhi; and (d) if not, the reasons therefor ? (c) whether by this policy Government servants entitled for Type II quarters are THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE facing difficulties of accommodation ? MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) : (a) The number THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE of quarters completed for allotment in the MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUSING general pool in Delhi/New Delhi, after (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL): (a) The Govern- November, 1969, in types I to III* locality- ment employees who are in occupation of wise, is as under Type*I accommodation become eligible for Type I-D . I. Z. area $4 allotment of Type-ll accommodation from the general pool Wfcen they start drawing Type II—R . K. Puram **320 emoluments of Rs. 175/* p. m. (basic pay Type H~Timarpur =400 pftu detfoess pay), When mk employee* Type IH—R, K, Pawn •234 51 WrittenAmtmm JULY 26, 1971 Written Answers 32 (b) to (d). All tt» 64 type I quartersfrom Madras Institute of Technology, were allotted as nltrrfjj|frf accommodation Madras, only is accepted, since this is a to the allottees of in Punchkuin 3-year course after Degree level. Hoad which were refmrcd for demolition and as such the question of allotting 5% Central Grants for Sium Clearance to units against these to the Scheduled Caste/ Assam State Scheduled Tribe employees does not arise. Out of 400 quarters in type II in Timarpur, 5891. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will 200 quarters were utilised for shifting the the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING allottees of the old type U quarters in be pleased to state : Timarpur which were required for demoli- tion and 80 type II quarters in R. K. Puram (a) whether Assam Government had were also required for shifting the allottees submitted any schemes for slum clearance of single-room Chummeries (type II in Lodi and requested grants for this purpose during Road), which were required for remodeling. the last three years ; and Out of the remaining, 440 type 11 units, (b) if so, the amount granted for imple which had come up fo»* allotment, 22 units, mentation of the scheme ? which is 5% of these quarters, were allotted to the Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE employees. MINISTRY OF WORKS AND HOUS- ING (SHRI I. K. GUJRAL) : (a) The 5% reservation for Scheduled Caste/ and (b). The Slum Clearance/Improve- Scheduled Tribe employees is in the resul- ment Scheme was a Centrally sponsored tant vacancies and whenever the newly scheme upto the 31st March, 1969. During constructed quarters are required for giving the year 1968-69, the Assam Government as alternative accommodation to the allottees did not ask for any financial assistance of the accommodation, which is required for execution of projects under the for demolition, the question of allowing scheme. 5% reservation in such quarters does not arise. Since 1st April, 1969 this Scheme is in the State Sector. Central assistance for all the State Sector Schemes is now being 5th Short Service Commission provided in the form of ‘Block loans' and (Technical) Course ‘Block grants* without its being tied to any specific scheme or head of development. 5890. SHRI PRAVINSINH SOLANK1 :The State Governments can, at their discre- Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased tion, utilise the Central assistance to the state : extant considered necessary by them, for (a) whether the 5 th Short Service Com- any State Sector programme according to mission (Technical) course is to commence their own priorities and requirements. in October, 1971 at the Officers* Training School, Madras ; Appointment of local youths by Oil I dia (b) whether the minimum educational qualifications prescribed for the above 5892. SHRI ROBIN KAKOTI : Will course is Degree/Deploma (equivalent to the MINISTER OF PETROLEUM AND Degree) in various engineering courses; CHEMICALS be pleased to state : and (a) whether the Assam Chief Minister (c) whether Government propose to recently visited Duliajan, Headquarters Of accept Diploma holders in Automobile the Oil India and discussed with the autho- Engineering of this course ? rities concerned the policy for appointment of local youths by the Company ; and THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (b) if so, the decision taken in this (SHRI JAOJ1VAN RAM) : (a) Yes, Sir. regard ? (b) Yes, Sir, except that, in certain specialities, post-graduate qualification in THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM Physics with required special subjects, Is also AND CHEMICALS (SHRI P. C. SETHI) : accepted. (a) and (b). During hii recent visit to (c) Diplom# in AytomofrUe Engineering .{KWH), the CbW MtnHWf t f A w ■ i t ' ' ■ • ■ ' ■■ i 53 Written Answers SRAVANA f, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 54 acquainted hjrasd/ with the working of <*) The Udyottmuubl Unit of the Fertili- O. I. L. including the recruitment of staff. zers & Chemicals Travancore Ltd. in Kerala There was an exchange of views in general which is in production, has the following and the question of taking any decision capacities does not arise. Name of product Capacity tonnes Theft of military Hardware and other per aunum spares Hon Mhow Cantonment 1. Ammonium Sulphate 200,000 5893. SHRI DEVINDER SINGH 2. Ammonium Phosphate 135,000 GARCHA : Will the Minister of 3. Ammonium Chloride 25,000 DEFENCE be pleased to state : 4. Super Phosphate 44,000 (a) whether huge quantities of military hardware including places chains and other The other unit at Cochin with a capacity spares of tanks have been stolen from of 330,000 tonnes per annum of urea is Mhow Cantonment ,* expected to be commissioned shortly. (b) if so, the estimated loss thereof; (b) The domestic production of fertili- and zers still falls short of requirements and the (c) whether any arrest has been gap is made up by imports. made ? (c) Government have approved the ex- pansion of the Cochin Fertilizer Factory for THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE the manufacture of 4,85,000 tonnes per (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (c). No annum of granulated NPK. No other pro* military stores have been stolen from Mhow posal to set up a new fertilizer factory in Cantonment. Some scraps of condemned Kerala is under consideration. and derelict tanks blown away during target practice, were stolen from the Field Firing Ranges near Mhow. Criteria for allotment of Jeeps to Family Planning Centres in Kerala The civil police recovered a truck-1 oad of scrap at Hema Range near Mhow and 5895. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN- arrested four persons. After their interroga- KAPPAN : Will the Minister of HEALTH tion, more truck-loads of scrap were recove- red at Indore. The civil police are making AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state : further investigations. (a) the number of jeeps given to the State of Kerala out of the jeeps received Production capacity of chemical fertiliser from UNICEF during the last three years ; factories in Kerala and 5894. SHRIMATI BHARGAVIIHAN- (b) whether those jeeps have not been KAPPAN : Will the Minister of PETRO- allotted to the concerned Family Planning LEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased to Centres or Primary Health Centres and state : there are several centres not provided with jeeps? (a) the annual production capacity of chemical fertilizer factories in the State of THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Kerala ; MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (b) whether various types of chemical PLANNING (SHRI A, K. KISKU); (a) fertilisers are still not made available to and (b). During the last three years 566 meet the requirements of the farmers; vehicles were allotted by the UNICEF for and use at the Primary Health Centres in the (c) if so, whether Government propose country. Of those, 5 vehicles were allotted to set up more chemical fertilizer factories to Kerala bringing the total number of. to the State ? vehicles at the Primary Health .<$$$( k Kerala State to 104. There are 162 Prim*** t a g MINISTER OF PETROLEUM Health Centres in the State of which AMD CHEMICALS (SHRI t . C. SETHI) : without vehicles, ' *v:; $5 Written Answers jVLV 26, 1971 fb-it/en Answers $4 Prfarsry Health Centres in Development ment. The State Governments a™ free to Blocks In Kerala allocate the block Central assistance to various schemes and projects included in 5896. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN- their Plan on the basis of their own fcAPPAN ; Will the Minister of HEALTH requirements and priorities. In addition, AMD FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to loans from the Life Insurance Corporation state the number of such Development of India are also made available to the Blocks in the State of Kerala where Govern- Slate Governments every year which can be ment intepd to open the Primary Health utilised fear acquisition and development of Centre each ? laad and also for housing in urban areas. THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE Allocation of funds for utilisation in MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY various Districts of State is the concern of PLANNING (SHRI A. K. KISKU) : the State Governments. There are 144 Development Blocks in Kerala and each one has a Primary Health Centre. Japanese knowing officers in Indian Embassy in Japan Grants for Works, Housing and Urban Development Programmes In Kerala 5898. PROF. NARAIN CHAND PARASHAR : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to 5897. SHRIMATI BHARGAVI THAN- state : KAPPAN : Will the Minister of WORKS AND HOUSING be pleased to state : (a) whether all the Class I officers of the Indian Embassy in Japan are proficient (a) whether on the recommendations of in Japanese language ; the Main Working Group on Health and Urban Development, a huge sum had (b) if so, the number thereof ; and been allocated in the Fourth Plan for giving (c) if not, the arrangements made by loans assistance to the State Governments Government for teaching them Japanese for setting up revolving funds for acquisi- language ? tion and development of land and for expansion ; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (b) if so, the amount allocated to the (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (c) the number of those who died after (c) the steps taken by Government to their operations ja th«se mass camps; and deal with the problem pf out-break of (4) whether any inquiry was held for Cholera epidemic among the Bangla Desh the deaths, together with action taken refugees ? against the officer who was responsible for THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE suph deaths ? MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING (SHRI A. K. KISKU) : (a) THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE No. MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (b) The available information is as PLANNING (SHJU D. P. CHATTO- follows : PADHYAYA) : (a) to (d). The infor- mation has been asked for from the State Name of No. of No. of Government and wiii be laid on the Table State cases deaths of the House as soon as it is received. West Bengal 36,389 4,741 Officers sent Abroad for Training ta (Among evacuees (upto 20.7.71) Family Planning. Health ami in Hospitals and Medical from Punjab Health Centres) Assam 269 23 5900. SHRI B. S. BHAURA : Will (upto 10*7.71) the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY Meghalaya Nil Nil PLANNING be pleased to state : Tripura Information 1 (a) the names of officers of medical not (reported on services from Punjab Stale who were deput- available 18.7.71) ed/loaned to foreign countries for training Madhya 38 5 in family planning, health or medical in the Pradesh (upto 25.6.71) year 1967-68 to 1970-71 ; (Mana Camp) (b) the number and names of officers who applied for the above referred training ; The figures given in respect of West (c) the criteria for selecting them ; and Bengal include cases and deaths due to gastro-enteritis also. (d) the amount spent by Punjab and the Central Government for their training ? (c) The salient steps so far taken are as follows : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH ANP FAMILY (i) All refugees in Camps and local PLANNING (SHRI D. P. CHATTOPA- population are being given anti- DHYAYA): (a) to (d). The information cholera inoculation. Is being collected and will be laid on the (ii) A special mass anti-cholera im- Table of the Sabha. muniza tion drive has been started in cities and major towns Cholera Deaths among Bangla Desh in the States bordering Bangla Refugees Desh and the places where new refugee camps are being opened. 5901, SHRI SAMAH GUHA : Will (iii) Necessary preventive measures the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY to combat the spread of Cholera PLANNING be pleased to state : such as disinfection of water (a) whether about 1300 Bangla Desh supplies, isolation of cases etc. refugees died as a result of Cholera in are being taken. Sanitation Meghalaya area as reported by Calcutta facilities are being improved. prsss ; (iv) Adequate stocks of anti-cholera (b) the number of Bangla Desh refugees vaccine, disinfectants, drugs etc. have been supplied. who suffered Cholera attack and the num- ber of the cases which proved fatal in (v) rwo epidemiological teams have States pf West Bengal, Assam, Meghalaya been set up at Calcutta and and Tripura as also in Mana and other Qauhati for emergency investi- camps separately ; and gation pf casesof' out-bw»k. $9 Written Answers JfilLV Z6, 197 i j WrittenAnswers 6$ Amount paid for the Construction of THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI Imphal-Cachar Road JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) to (c). Govern- ment have received a representation for the 5902/ SHRI N TOMB! SINGH: construction of the road a<* a permanent Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased metalled road by the Border Roads Organi- to state ; sation. From the defence point of view the (a) the amount so far paid to the Border existing road communications in the Cooch- Roads Organisation for the construction of Behar Sector are adequate. the Imphal-Cachar Road ; Employment of Local Labour for Construc- (b) whether the amount has exceeded tion of Imphal-Cachar Road by Border the amount agreed upon in the beginning of the contract; and Roads Organisations (c) if so, the reasons therefor ? 5904. SHRI N. TOMBI SINGH : Will the Minister of DEFENCE be pleased THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI to state : JAGJIVAN RAM) : (a) At present the (a) whether the Border Roads Organisa- Border Roads Organisation are developing tion employed local labour in the construc- only the sector Jiribam-Imphal of new tion of the Imphal-Cachar Road ; and Cachar road. Funds are being provided partly by the Manipur Government and (b) if so, the number of unskilled and partly by the Border Roads Development skilled labour employed, category-wise ? Board. Upto the end of March 1971, an amount of Rs. 259 lakhs had been debited THE MINISTER OF DEFENCE (SHRI JAGJIVAN RAM): (a) Imphal-Jiribam against the Manipur Government and section of the Imphal-Cachar road is being another Rs. 178 lak hs had been met from constructed by the Border Roads Organisa- the funds of the Border Roads Organisation, making a total of Rs. 437 lakh*, tion. Some local labour is employed on this sector. (b) the works are being executed by the (b) The average number of lecal un- Border Roads Organisation departmental^ skilled labour Mazdoors) employed in and not through contracts. The amount of (i.e. Rs. 437 lakhs does not exceed the initial last 3 months is 156. No skilled labour is assessment of the cost of works. employed on this road. (c) Does not arise. Invitations to Foreign Parliamentary Dele- gations to Visit Bangla Desh Refugee Construction of Cooch-Behar-Fulbari Camps In India Rangpur Road by Border Roads Organisation 5905. SHRi SAMAR GUHA : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 5903. SHRI B. K. DASCHOW-pleased to state; DHURY : Will the Minister of DEFENCE (a) wnether different nations of the be pleased to state : World have been invited to send their (a) whether Cooch-Behar-Fulbari Rangpur representatives to visit Bangla Desh refugee Road via Dinhata in the district of Coocb- camps in India to have first-hand facts Behar, West Bengal, is an important border about the atrocities of Pakistan army ; road and defence materials are often times (b) if so, the responses received so far ; carried on head-loads for protection of the and border, being the same an unmetalled road } (c) if not, whether Government are sending invitations to all World Govern- (b) whether his Ministry Has received a ments for sending Parliamentary Delega- representation to construct this road a tions to visit Bangla Dtsh refugee camps ? permanent and metalled one under Border Roads Organisation ; and THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (c) if so, the reaction of Government MINISTRY OF EXtERNAL AFFAIRS and when the same road wilt be taken up (ttiHl SURENDRA PAL by the Border Roads Organisation 1 and (b). We have invited Parliamentarians, 61 Written Answers SRAVANA 4, 1893 (SAKA) Written Answers 62 diplomatic representatives and other impor- The facts of the continuing influx of tant person? ftomalicountries of the world refugees into India are well known to the to yi^it the Baogla Desh refugee camps in U.N. Hi*h Commissioner for Refugees, to order to have first-hand knowledge of the other International bodies and to foreign facts. Parliamentarians from the USA, governments. On the 23rd June, 1971, the UK., Canada* West Germany, Ireland and U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees is Australia, besides Ambassadors and other reported to have stated in New York that officials of diplomatic missions located in what could bring people back was a politi- New Delhi, have visited the camps on our cal solution and that he was certain that invitation. Representatives of the U.N. Pakistan would also agree that this was the agencies concerned with relief measures and case. He further stated that the political of a number of foreign humanitarian orga- solution would have to be one which gave nisations have also visited them. confidence and faith in the future and that (c) In view of the facts given above, itthis was the only real incentive for the re- is not necessary to send formal invitations turn of refugees. to ail Governments and send Parliamentary Delegations to visit Bangla Desh refugee camps. Preparation of Brochure regarding Mass Killing of Teachers in Bangla Desh Camps organised by Pakistan for return of Bangla Desh Refugees 5907. SHRI SAMAR GUHA: Will the Minister ol EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be 5906. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Willpleased to state ; the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be pleased to state : (a) whether Government have prepared any brochure about mass killing of Univer- (a) whether Pakistan Government or- sity, College and School teachers, artists, ganised a few temporary camps in the literate and other intellectuals of Bangla border areas with local people with a view Desh by the Pakistani army, for circulation to mislead U.N.O. Relief Commissioner by among the Universities of the World and suggesting that Bangla Desh refugees have for sending to UNESCO ; started going back to their homeland ; (b) if so, whether the attention of the (b) if not, whether Government will set U.N.O. Relief Commissioner has been up a committee with the help of refugee drawn to such mischievous made by Paki- intellectuals from Bangla Desh, for prepar- stan ; and ing a factual brochure on Pakistan savagery on Bangla Desh intellectuals ; and (c) if so, reaction of U. N. O. Relief Commissioner thereto ? (c) if so, the steps proposed to be taken ? THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) to MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS (c). During his discussions here, the U. N. (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) High Commissioner for Refugees informed and (c). A brochure called “The Issue-Rule us that he had seen two of the cimps which by Ballot—The Answer : Reign of Terror* Pakistan claims to have set up for so-called produced by the Permanent Mission of returning refugees. India to the United Nations which, among The fact that the influx of refugees into other things, describes in a very poignant India continues and that, even since the manner the massacre of intellectuals in East U.N. High Commissioner’s visit to Dacca Bengal, has been widely circulated. Indian in the second week of June, 1971, more thinkers and writers too have circulated than twelve lakhs of fresh refugees have their “Appeal to the Conscience of the come into India, clearly shows that the World on the Agony of Bangla Desh” so-called reception centres were a propa- to universities of the World and to ganda stunt and will achieve nothing until iJNgsco. ; , ;A-.: , ■ ■ solutfpn is grriv- tf it, / ■■■ ■ 63 Written Answers JULY 26, l£7l Written Answers 64 Note to Foreign Universities r e g a r d *?tf STC9T* * J $ |f ^ Haifoiritles Committed no fcteHectaals of Bangla Desk w r a f f % spto W ¥ r % 5908. SHRI SAMAR GUHA : Will the Minister of EXTERNAL AFFAIRS be f%«rf^r ^ *rw rc f^Rjcr ¥ 7 1 * v* m pleased to state : (a) whether Government have sent any note to different Universities of the World for drawing their attention to the barbarities fw^rr Sf umrra iftm n if committed on intellectuals of Bangla Desh ; and inwf& t vrcrfir (b) if not, whether any such step is 5910. «ft 5TVT TOW Rr^ : TOT proposed to be undertaken by Govern- ment ? faiihjr in*ra ^ frqrr THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE fa fafrr tiwr smrre MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS % f^crfft srTOfsr n f ? (SHRI SURENDRA PAL SINGH) : (a) and (b). Indian thinkers and writers have already circulated their “Appeal to the Con* fanfotr wh: maim **cw c Jf t t w science of the World on the Agony of «r?Tsft («ft fmf° fsrrm ) : Bangla Desh” to the universities of the world drawing their attention to the barbari- sftr amrm *r?w*T sroTf^ *TT*rra ties committed on the intellectuals in East nfrRTirf % JPT*rfar*FT % farr 1968-69 Bengal. In view of this Government do not propose to send a note to universities of cT*P fafTTC w w rx % fkrfw H^TrfT the world. $T 958.93 *ft i erBff«r tftarar % m rpet ft, sr«rtcf 1969-70 % ft, n w ?TTfnrff 5909. *?o Wf# HTTTmjr qft : WT %?2fa faster TTJif ^ spt «ft3PTT^ % fwq (WfRT fW f*HTT- f^TT : *rk ^ ^ (*p) WI 18 fT srrefr 11 *Rr: 1969-70 % ft t m Wft&ST ^ tfT HTVRf s m (f^ |R ^ c T ) 2f>ar- f*P S W * ®FT SRcTR ffTO 5rr«flr % »n{ fatfto far v r t i v t trftr 11 f^r % itftrfW (sr) ^r, *nt*prc % frrermsfrr q v m «f> €nttTto m rw afraRFT vt fw *t#f*rr | ? % qgfllfwiJW % f^r 1970-71 % % ^ % utttW'lr, w m i t SHRI BALATHANDAYU* ■ ' ■ THAM; . ‘ ’ k ■ to WftrA Ahtkm SRAVXnA 4, (SAKA) ’ WfHun M i* m MS v ' SfHtt RAMAVAtAR : ■■■■ (*r) n fk <#' Wr at w S - ■....." SHRI Ft R. SikOH D^b : m m im ft tt «rf wmf ^ Wilt the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING be pleased to state: M o U t wiftr wn w w tt* ; (a) whether Delhi has a flourishing Hack market in blood ; ' | W ' . «W«ff W I ittWlttif W B «ft. * M t . " ^ 4i 7 t t w ; f t t t t t ,y *-(&) ; 1 s t . t an Expert Ckmmitteeto examine into inter alto the price of molasses, ‘ The question of (15) Ir ate allowing 20% free sale or otherwise will also be decided after the aforesaid exami- nation; ‘:: ‘ ' ■ |U Xfswr ^ f^tnwr ^ ^ % *> *if* W* ;i«MI Wtf, ■ v i iiA v w w * tf f % t o «Wf $ %*t Setting op of Fertilizer Plant based on Coal (« r) arfo ^ * ? f w , x m in Sldhi District (M.P.) * rfa * ro r ^r*rf^fr ?tm w § o t 5913. SHRI RANABAHADUR SINGH: ^ $rafa*ff ^ «rkr wr | Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state whether a ct«tt ^nrfara *r>^ % fair feasibility study has been made fpreset ting K rfa « n r »rf | ; sfo ; tip of a fertilizer plant based on coal in $idhi district of Madhya Pradesh ? (*r) sr^fr *rnr% if foercr faqr THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM t o t $ ? AND CHEMICALS (SHRI P. G. SETHI) : No, Sir. However, Government have (whs iftf srr*w If t o t decided, in principle, to establish a coal* based fertilizer plant at Korba (Bilaspur m io %o f u r m ) : (v ) 1r District) of Madhya Pradesh. (*r).jpm «^r?r^ ^rr | «r®cf f t ^nr^fV i ' Price and Sale of Molasses to Free Market • «, .,-v - . 1 ■ ; • • . . by Sugar Factories Dispute between Sugar Factories and 5914. SHRI GANG A REDDY : , State Trading Corporationregar- ^ ■ •'•*"?.. tfHRID K. PANDA * ding Export Price of Molasses , Will the Minister erf PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state : 5916. SHRI P. GANGADEB : (a) whether it has been decided to set SHRI NIHAR LASKAR : itp an Expert Committee to examine to Will the Minister of PETROLEUM raise i!*c present controlled price of AND CHEMICALS be pleased to state : foolitsses; $nd (a) whether a diatptite between Sugar (b) whet her Government want to review Factories and State Trading Corporation the dtcision ioaUow the sugar factories has arisen regarding the export price of to sell 70 per ctnt of iheir production of mo!ss?e8 ; -5 : •■:■•■■■ -.■■■;■ ■ . roolasSes & the fre* market. ; M ’WMier Andhra Pradesh G o ^ - ' THE DB?UTY MTNISTBR1N THE ment has taken up the fi&ctories <^se and IfrNlSTRY :.m tmitCmVM AND askedtfee Ccntj^M olassesBoatdtodikiiis CHEMICALS iS m a p ^ L im SINGH) * I D * d fb). It l # b«jn d TUB MINISTER OFSTATE IN" THE ■ mRvmonm t&voi apQMBiv in joura 1 MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS (SHRI DALBIR SINGH) : 5918. SHRI K. C PANDEY : Will fa) to (c). The Government of Andhra the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY Pradesh informed the Government of India PLANNING be pleased to state : in May J97I that ^w>i$b Of the sugar (a) whether it Is a fact that the Nutri* factories have agrievance that they are tional level Of ah average Indian compart* not getting fair price from the State Trading far unsatisfactory with Pakistan, Australia* Corporation in respect of the molasses U.S.A., Japan U.S.S.R.,and y ,K .; atv4 releascd for export outside the country.' Pricc paid by them is stated to ’be less than (b) whether any specific scheme is likely the open market price prevailing in the to be introduced to increase the nutritiona* country.” As requested by them, this level in Indian ' . ,v;- .*: matter was included in the subjects for THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN discussion by the Central Molasses Board in THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND June 1971. On examination it was noted FAMILY PLANNING (SHRI A; K. that if State Trading Corporation can KISKU): (a) The information on the per reduce intermediary costs, such as transport, capita per day availability of calories and shortage, inspection etc., it coiild offer protein as compared to that of other better prices to sugar factories. countries referred to is as follows Country * Year to Per capita per day Production of Molasses by Cooperative which daU; availability Sugar Industries relate Calories (numbers) 5917. SHRI D. K. PANDA : Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 1. U.S.A. 1968 3240 ’ 9 6 k-: CHEMICALS be pleased to state the total 2. U.S.S.R. 1964*66 3150 9L5;V quantity of molasses produced by the Co- 3. U.K% 1968-69 3180 m operative Sugar Industries in India last year 4. Japan " 1968 2460 75.7 State-wise ? 5. Pakistan 1967-68 2230 6. India 1969 1965 56.7 THT DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND (b) More food is the first step towards CHEMICALS : (SHRI DALBIR SINGH) : better nutrition; Nationwide endeavour to The production of molasses by the Coopera- develop agriculture atongwith animal hus- tive Sugar Industries in the country during bandry and fisheries must be redded as the sugar season 1969-70 is given below ,* the base of all efforts in nutrition. The rapid application of modem science and Name of the State Quantity technology for the development and popih ; / ...... (in tonnes) larisation of subsidiary,. supplementary and protective food schemes such as production Andhra Pradesh 56,000 of balahar, weaning food, fortification of Assam 5,000 wheat products, development of protein Bihar 1,600 Isolate and protein ■ isolate toned milk oil Gujarat 49,000 seed flours etc. initiated by the Government Haryana 15,000 of India envisage a gradual removal of Kerala 8,000' nutritional; ( ^ Maharashtra 2,72,000 Mysore 51,000 m tm fwf*? firoro * Orissa 7,000 Punjab 23^000 1 " 1 . J ' ' **’!*» ' ■■ " ' ' ’ ""r' ' Rajasthan , : t m Tamil Nadu 61,000 ■; 3919. wreT?wwr«i | | $ f ::; UttarPradeah ■■■■ 41,000 » • ■ W tV M. JSrtl frritoi ^tmtn fi «pm ms&«*6nSi.■■% *wwi*r fW far w v v w w m ©F l^liW^EUM m t enWWAW mvq f* c , $ETHI) : l l . ;■'■■■ (a) Aocordmg to U* information furnhhed («| to ^ fVwre 51* Hint » m Ijy M/s. Zpari AgrcNCheraicals Lt4. 499.95 Hactaresonand had with the approval •Rfr % tt? iroft ( youti. We h*ve found the problem of the shoulders of the Government, nor even Bangla 0 « h lias become so acute that it on the younger people. Let the leaders of hasbecorrie impossible to maintain law and the political patties go inside the jails, talk order inside the territory or to afford relief with the Naxalites and come back after to the evacuees. gaining their confidence and finding a solti- don. then the problem can be '• The Chief Minister, therefore, rightly Only solved. Otherwise, it will be an absolute farce. decided, to resign. Today if I were to go inside the jail, talk to The notable political party, CPI (M), the Naxalites and come back, a second group which k still supporting the cause of Bangta of Naxalites which has no relation or Desh and the refugees, has already started communication with the first one, will kill a new slogan of a Bengal Bandh on 11th me. So, what is the use of this announcement of next month, to indulge in their old without facing the realities ? Of course, strategy of mass killings and creating an young men are dying in the jails, and I have atmosphere of political murders in West all my sympathies for them. So, this is my Bengal, using the occasion. Is this the time advice and warning. to shout slogans for the sake of elections 1 shall now refer to the industrial situa- that Indiraji is bad or that Siddhartha tion prevailing in West Bengal. According Shankar Ray is bad ? Is it not the time to to the balance-sheet of 1966, the Kalyani call a meeting of all the political parties to Spinning Mills made a profit of Rs. 60 restore law and order, to go to the front »o lakhs, but when the United Front came to help the Mukti Fauj and solve the problem power, it became the party machinery of of Bangla Desh ? But the CPI (M) has the CPI (M). Instead of Rs. 60 lakhs profit, bccome a bankrupt political party, and all it has made a loss of Rs. 70 lakhs in their guidance to the younger generation 1970, has become a fiat of their party bosses only for murder. AN HON. MEMBER : That is due to I shall no explain to you certain specific the corruption of the management. reasons why West Bengal is suffering. Many Members have given their own reasons, but SHRI PR1YA RANJAN DAS MUNSI : I should say that if the Syndicate was The management is tied with red flagg responsible for a misconception by the They make themselves the judges of the young people of the Congress Party for the Peoples Comn.ittee and they say to the last 23 years of Mahatma Gandhi’s doctrine workers, “Don’t work during the factory and philosophy, today in West Bengal the hours. After the factory hours, work over- CPI (M) is responsible for the large scale time and get more money". That is mass killings and political violence because the reality about West Bengal industries of a misconception of the Marxist doc- today. trine. Recently a news item came out in the Many hon. Membere spoke on behalf Artanda Bazaar Patrika that the son of the of the Naxalites. They expressed good senti- State Coordination Committee’s leader has ments. Our great leaders of this Parliament been arrested because one police rifle was are trying to make it appear that the Naxa- found in his room. He was trying to prac- lites constitute a movement of heroes and tise shooting ; I do not know whether his intellectuals. I do not share this view. Of target was Mr. Siddhartha Ray’s neck or course, in the beginning some young people my neck. But the police seized a police were attracted by Mao’s doctrine, but now rifle from his son and arrested him. The it has been fragmented and there is loose next day, it was saidj “it is a conspiracy”. talk of an absolutely revolutionary image of Every time whenever materials or ammuni- the Naxaliies. tions are found form their shelters it be- The so f$hrl Priya Ranjan Das Munsi] reorganised, all tbe snatchedrevolvers and My hon. friend, Shri Viswanathan, haft rifles would be found from the CPM head* dealt with the appointment of Shri Siddha- quarters. Also, wherever there is a gang of rtha Shankar Ray. I think in our whole waggon-breakers in the railway yards, you history we have not come across such a case will find a red flag in the name of the CPM where a person has bfcen appointed as local committee. A report will come in the Minister in charge of a particular State. It morning paper that this waggon will be is riot a Question of Prime Minister appoint- looted and it will be looted. That is the ing a person, instead of the President reality in West Bengal today. appointing him, 1 am not entering into a controversy on that. Let us suppose that MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : rfe should President appoints him. Even then, he conclude now. belongs to West Bengal. And in West Bengal there are several parties like CPM SHRI PRIYA RANJAN DAS MUNS1 : and CPI. If you really want to solve the Yes, Sir. Let the Central Government con- law and order problem in that State then sider the West Bengal problem as a national these people must also be consulted. But he problem. Let the Central Government does not seem to have any confidencc in consider it not as a problem of law and them. He is partisan and he is canvassing order, but as a socio-economic problem. only for his party. At least that unfortunate With these words, I request Mr. Siddhartha impression is being creatcd, which is not Shankar Ray* the Minister in charge of at all good if we want to solve the pro- West Bengal Affairs, to expedite the deve- blem. lopment programme and not the programme It is the most disturbed State in the of police mobilisation. whole of India. Whenever wc see the papers in the morning we read that so m any mur- SHRI M. SATYANXRAYAN RAO ders are taking place, so many cases of (Karimnagar) : Sir, when we arc discussing arson and looting in West Bengal. There is the West Bengal budget, instead of discus- no security at all. I have got every sym- sing the budget or the proclamation of pathy for the people of West Bengal. Now President’s Rule or the delegation of powers, they have no democracy. There is no stabi- so many other things are being discussed, lity in the administration. The government in my view, the delegation of powers to the is changed almost every two years. Now President is most deplorable, because my they do not have any representative govern- friends have been telling what are the pro- ment. While I have every sympathy for blems of West Bengal and really if this them I find that unfortunately we are not Government is serious to tackle these pro- able to solve their problcnis. Because of blems, power should not be conferred on the imposition of Picsident's Rule now we the President to make any law. Only the have a very good opportunity to solve representatives of the people from West those problems. So, that should be kept in Bengal will be in a position to appreciate mind. the problems facing that State. By confer* ring these powers on the President, you are My hon. friend, Shti Das Munsi, denying this opportunity to the jeprescn- challenged the opposition leaders that they tatives. 1 oppose this delegation of powers, are always shouting the Bangla Desh pro- because even if Parliament is in session, blem and expressing their sympathies for the legislation about West Bengal cannot be refugees but they are not persuading those passed by Pailiament. refugees to go out of Bengal. Perhaps he is under a misapprehension. They arc al- This is the most unfortunate thirife. If ways willing to support any plan of the the Parliament is not in session, the posi- Centra) Government lo shift those; refugees tion is different. But even when Parliament to other States. Biit the shifting work as is h session you are conferring this power such has to be done by the Central Govern- on the President. And President means the rincht and not by the opposition parties. Home Minister. The Home Minister cannot The opposition parties have every sympathy do all these tilings himself. So' if is ail the for tj»e refugees. But the shifting of th$ more reason why he should t«kfc the people refugees is not thp responsibility pf the jirtopcmfidcncc. Hff- W estBengal Budget, SRAVANA 4, 1&3 (SAXA) Jbtfflaitfs, Rev, etc. M The problem of looking after the refu- father possessed. 1 want him to become a gees is not the burden of West Bengal alone. greater son of a great father. 1 think you It has to be shared by other States also are lacking something, that is, moustache because it is an all-India problem. I am you are not having, if you grow that you glad that even the Tamil Nadu Government will become greater, has agreed to receive one lakhs refugees. Andhra Prade&h have already got some SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY refugees. We ore prepared to accept some (Cooch-Bihar) : Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, more. while initiating; the budget discussion by my My only point here is this. Why should friend on the other side and also the other we spend crores of rupees on rehabilitation speakers quite ap^rt from this budget they,re- without going into the root problem ? But ferred to certain other points. One or two I you are not solving the problem. You are would like to reply. The intiator of this dis- simply sitting here and sending your Foreign cussion referred that he wanted to have a Minister to various countries for begging or clear and categorical answer as to when the explaining our position. More important elections will be held. It has also been than all that is solving the problem. Re- replied by my hon’blc friend, Shri pas habilitation is only secondary. My com- Munshi, that is, is this time in West Bengal plaint is that the Central Government are that we should have another election. I not taking any concrete steps to solve the would a$k almost the same question to my problem. They should give serious thought friend who initiated this discussion whether to that problem instead of allowing the he wants to have an election only or he situation to deteriorate. wants to see that present ailments in West Bengal must have to be removed ; there Coming to President’s Rule, it is very must be proper atmosphere in Wsst Bengal strange that we have President's Rule when so that our culture and literacy may be there was actually a stable government. At preserved. What do they want ? We have least we were under the impression that the seen in the course of election after election government was stable. Though Shri Ajoy violence in politics has not been minimised. Mukcrjec was the Chief Minister, in reality We have seen the total development of West the Congress Party was ruling. So, where Bengal in general has not come up to the was the necessity for them to appeal to the expected level rather it has been deteriorat- Chief Minister to resign and then impose ing and deteriorating to the lowest eff. I President’s Rule. You are not going to cannot understand what is the politics inside solve the problem that way. I do not think an election. It was also disclosed by one that giyes you any strength at all. hon. Member as to what was the wisdom The representatives must be there. Then of the then Chief Minister of the democratic only they will face the problem. Unitedly coalition Government of West Bengal— they could tackled the problem. Instead of what was the political morality—-to sugsest that unnecessarily they imposed the Presi- to the Governor to dissolve the House ? dential Rule. Not only they have done it It was ably replied by hon. Member. Shri there but also everywhere in the country, for Tridib Chpudhuri. Sir, by that process I example, Punjab, Gujarat, etc. This kind come to realise that some hon. Members of thing is not good. belonging to the Opposition group wanted to have, particularly the CPI (M) people The proclaim that India is a great de- and hon. Members those who stated as such mocracy in the world. But what are we a game in horse-trading in the chaotic doing here ? Are they practising demo- political condition of West Bengal. Know- cracy 7 Not at all. This is a bad impression ing fully well that the CPI (M) were not we are creating in foreign countries that in a position to form this alternative these people only say they are having demo- Government even then they wanted so. cracy but instead they are toppling, etc. This thing should not happen. So, imme- Sir, this is not the main case today b?» diate steps be taken to restore normalcy. I fore West Bengal. What we, have to con- am very happy that out Home Minister sider most in this gravest hour when politi- happens to be a young and dynamic man. cat, economic and social atmosphere has He is not only young but also very able gone so down it is necessary that all politi- parson. H» fiither was also a gteat person. cat parties of West Bengal should jointly He possesses all those qualities which his tackle this problem. That Is how it should fe t mstBengalBudget, JtilY Ifi, *971 ■ : ' bnrumb. Au., oc. ■ 16« ■ [Shri B. K, Daschoudhury] be done. Sir, questions were also raised expected deficit In the Budget would be to about the constitutional impropriety regard- the extent of Rs. 28 crores and more. The ing the appointment of Shri Siddhartha same has been lessened, but how these Shankar Ray as Minister without Portfolio Rs. 19.34 crores will be covered. There is or giving him charge for Bengal Affairs. no indication about that. Is it that the 1 do not find the constitutional impro- people of West Bengal will be taxed moire priety, in the Constitution we have adopt- or is it that some other sources to increase ed the parliamentary executive system and the State's revenue will be found out ? this parliamentary executive procedure is There is no indication about that. It is being exercised through the Ministers who known to all that the people of West Bengal are advisiug either to the President or to are not in a position to pay even a single the Governor as the case may be both in naya paise more taxes. From where it is the Centre and in the State. Here Shri to be covered ? If all this Rs. 19.34 crores Ray's appointment, Shri Ray*s placement had to be replenished by the Central as in charge of West Bengal affairs has Government, was it not proper at least to nothing to do with the Governors function include that amount also and leave it to as interpreted in the Constitution of India. the House that there is no deficit under the He is there on behalf of the Cabinet. He circumstances and for the cause and purpose is there on behalf of the President to render of West Bengai certain more funds have advice or advices either to the Prime Minis- been allocated ? But that was not done. ter or to the President whenever it is neces- In West Bengal today, the political vio- sary I do not find anything constitutional lence, political murders and all these things impropriety in the matter. are there. But the basic cause has to be It is a fact, this is an innovation ; found out. there is a novel idea. People of West Bengal have the grievance for a long time AN HON. MEMBER : Violence of that their causes have not been explored, murder ? the reasons have not been gone into, the socio-economic problems have never been SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : realised by the Centre. I would feel, this Why the position of West Bengal has gone is the first time that the Central Govern- down so low nowadays ? There was a time ment thought it fit at least to place one when the position of West Bengal both in Minister of the Cabinet in charge of the industry and in trade and commerce . West Bengal affairs, so that they can under- (Interruptions). My hon. friends on the stand the problem well, report the matter other side are very much experienced with to the Cabinet, for i*$ better consideration all these things, as to how they commit by the Centre. In that respect 1 must wel- this political violence and political murder. come the appointment of Shri Siddhartha So, it is for their purpose to explain it in Shankar Ray and tike wisdom of the d etail how it happened. Central Cabinet. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : There can Coming to the Budget, before Hi go be only one thing, either violence or murder, through the budgetary provisions, I must not violence of murder. say, though the conditions in West Bengal are very grave politically, economically and SHRI MANORAN1AN HAZE A (Aram- socially, the statement presented by the bagh): A new phraseology is being hon. Minister has not reflected this condi- cunstrueted. tion at all. It seems to have been a very status quo budget, a very limping budget, SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY ; The with which there cannot be anycxpected basic causes what made the position of West development of west Bengal and for the Bengal go so low, both in the field of literacy, people of West Bengal. where in the field of literacy the position Here we find there is a budget for of West Bengal was only second to Kerala: Rs. 384 crores in all with an uncovered gap in the field of trade and commerce it was 0f Rs. 19.34 crores. Though it is true, the the highest; in the field of industry it was provisional Budget that was placed on the almost equal to that of the bilingual State jfcSt occasion, there was a provision that the of Bombay. Now in the field of industry m V West Bengal Budget, SRAVANA 4, 18*3 (SAKA) Demands, Res., etc. 1 % it has gone to eleventh position, in trade as West Bengal. Even then, the jute export and commerce almost On the same position earnings were cut down from 62f per cent and literacy as 1 have said. to 20 per cent. Also, the income-tax earned Why it happened ? These are the basic by West Bengal, its share, has been cut causes which must be found out. Unfortu- down from 20 per cent to 12 per cent. That nately, though the Cemre seems to be very is one of the baste maladies. . much concerned about the position af West Now, I ask the h^n. Minister, by which Bengal, though at a very late stage they process these orders were passed and whether realise that the economic condition of West those regulations, those orders, were passed Bengal must have to be improved, but no in the best interest of west Bengal ? Will socio-economic survey was conducted. It he consider that it was not in the best was never done. interest of the country, in the best interest If 1 am to tell the truth, though it is of the nation, and, If that be so, why it was the God's honest truth, the position of West done ? Progressively, West Bengal’s econo- Bengal was signed, sealed and settled for mic development has been deteriorated from ever on the very day of the partition of time to time. It is true the deterioration India and the independence of Tndia, that came to its height in 1966 and, since 1967, is the 15th August, 1947. we have been seeing all these murders and On this very day, while our first beloved all that. But the basic fact must be found Prime Minister of Independent India, Pandit out and realised. Jawaharlal Nehru, made a broadcast that Then, in the field of deterioration, I we have a ‘tryst with destiny’, that we have may mention two or three other facts. In to build our own destiny, that we have to 1956, while Mr* T. T. Krishnamachari was build our own future, on the very night of at the helm of affairs here, he made certain 15th August, 1947, two announcements were pricing policy regarding iron, steel and made, without consulting the State of West coal, considering that these are the basic Bengal, in respect of the States revenue materials which are needed for nation’s eco- matters. nomic development. He made certain Firstly, the proportion of income-tax pricing policies and he made certain arrange- ratio, whicJi was given to West Bengal was ments so that the far-away places of the cut down and reduced from 20 per cent to country can also get these basic materials 12 per cent. In the case of Maharashtra, at a standard price. As a result what the then bilingual State of Bombay, it was happened ? To transport one tonne of increased from 20 per cent to 22 per cent. steel from Jamshedpur or Tatanagar to In the case of old Madras State, now named Howrah, to Calcutta, the railway frieght Tamil Nadu State, it was increased from 15 today is Rs, 30 per tonne. But for the per cent to 18 per cent. I do not know same steel, from Tatanagar, the steel town, what happened at the same time to reduce to Bombay, the railway freight is Rs. 120 the proportion of income-tax share to the per tonne. They made a mean. What State of West Bengal from 20 per rent to they meant thereby was Rs. 120 plus Rs. 30, 12 per cent. that is, Rs. 150. So, Rs. 75 should be the Then, again, one of the biggest foreign railway freight for subsidisation to the far- exchange earners is jute which is grown in away places. Whoever wants to book a West Bengal in larger quantity. The Bengal toune of steel, along with the price of steel, or the West Bengal used to have 62| per Rs. 75 should have to be paid. While the cent of the total foreign exchange earnings industrialists of Calcutta, the people of from jute products and the same day, on West Bengal, could have that chance to get the 15th August, 1947, without consulting a tonne of steel, supposing the price of the West Bengal Government, it was reduced steel is ‘X’ plus Rs. 30 as cost, now they to 20 per cent. Why 7 Probably, the have to take it at price ‘X’ plus Rs. 75. that reply of the hoc. Minister will be that the is, Rs. 45 more for a tonne of steel for the size of United Bengal has been reduced and people of West Bengal and the West Bengal West Bengal is only half or less than half. industry. But at the same time, take the But they have not considered one point that industrial ?sts of Bombay. They ought to Of the foreign exchange earned by Bengal, have received steel at the rate of price of the Uniied Bengal, 90 per cent or at least steel plus Rs. 120 as the railway freight. 1 85 per oent remained within the zone known They are being given price W ihetfcseJ 171 West Bengal Budget, JULY 2$, 1?71 D e m ^i8 * 9 > *tc. Ml [Shri B* K. Paschpudhury] plus Rs. 75. So, they are paying Rs. 45 industries and commerce and problems less. The people of West Bengal have to of unemployment are mounting high. suffer to give certain development rebates and incentives to the people of Bombay and Take the case of jute. It is true that Maharashtra. The industrialists of West jute and tea give us Rs. 380 crores worth of Bengal have been made to suffer for the foreign exchange. Out of this Rs. 290 development of indusiiies in the western crores come from West Bengal alone. What West Bengal get in return ? What do these coast and other places and in the South also. What does it mean ? 1 would request poor jute mills get in return ? From child- the hon. Minister to consider these facts. hood we have seen the parity of price bet- ween jute and paddy is fixed at one maund Let h:m make his own calculations and find out how many million tonnes of steel have of jute equal to three maunds of paddy or been transported from Tatanagar sincc the two maunds of rice, immediately after the imposition of this pricing policy and the Partition the leaders have tempted our jute freight schedule to Howrah and Tatanagar cultivators to cultivate more and more jute to Bombay and how many millions of assuring that they would be given better rupees West Bengal has been deprived prices. As a result what did happen ? In of for its development. Why is it so ? West Bengal there were 2 lakhs acres of jute fields but by tempting the poor cultivators, the poor villagers, to grow more and more MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hon. jute, out of 130 lakhs acres of cultivable Member’s time is up. land in West Bengal, it has gone up to 12 lakh acres of land under jute and cultivation. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : Now, what is the total production of jute ? Please give me some more time, Sir. On an average if we take, one acre grows 15 maunds of jute, that is 180 lakh maunds That is about steel. The same thing per year. Out of this 180 lakh maunds, apdlies to coal. We know that the coal assuming that about 30 lakh maunds are be- belt is in Bengal and in Bihar. When coal ing privately consumed by the growers them- is to be transported to the western parts, selves for their own domestic consumption, there must be certain considerations regard- about 150 lakh maunds of iute is being ex- ing freight as also the pricing policy of coal ported to earn substanti al foreign exchange also. As a result what happened was that for the whole nation. the shipping owners were asked to allow 25% freight subsidisation in the matter of As regards jute price, what is the sup- transportation of coal from the Kidderpore port price fixed by Government ? It is docks, Calcutta to the western coast, South Rs. 40 per maund. Coming to the parity India and other places and the ship owners question, if one maund of jute should be had asked that if they had to allow 25% equal to two maunds of rice, then what subsidy, their shipping companies must have should the price of jute be ? The price of to be closed. The Government replied to rice today is Rs, 70. On this parity basis, them, ‘Whatever products that you take, the price of jute ought to have been Rs. 140 increase this 25/i, on them/ So, as a result, a maund. If this is so, then the poor jute what happens is that while .the coal is being cultivators of West Bengal, those who are subsidised at the cost of West Bengal buyers earning substantial foreign exchange for our and at the cost of West Bengal industries, country, those who were tempted to grow the people in the Eastern region are taking moife and more iute by converting their salt and other articles from the West coast paddy-fields into jute-ficlc’s, haye had been at 25% more and last year, the shipping made losers at the rate of Rs, 100 per rates haye been further increased by 20%, maund. Instead ofRs. 140, they are getting You will be astonished to know, Sir, that, Rs. 40. What is the total net loss for l£ Gujarat’s salt is being sold at Tokyo at crore maunds of jute which is being expect- lesser price than what we purchase in Cal- ed* for which the poor jute cultivators of cutta and the eastern regions,in India. That Wfsst iicngal are suffering ? They arg losing is haw, the Eastern regions are being deprive tp the extent of fta. 150 cjrores annually. If ed of and that is how in West Bengal the we calculate how West iBengs^s economy people are getting all these sorts of obstacles been a|0Ftecte the last twenty years from 1950 to 1970, we Now, I would mention another great find that they have lost nearly Rs. 3000 problem, namely the refugee problem and crores or they have been deprived of also the way it has been tackled. Who Rs. 3000 crores. Who is responsible for knew the magnitude of this problem at the this ? Is it not the Centre’s pricing policy 7 time ©f the Partition ? AH the national It it not that the Centre’s apathy alone leaders gave all sorts of promises and assu- responsible for this ? rances at that time that things would be looked after well. But we know that re- fugees started pouring in large numbers MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, the since the Partition. We find that the pro- hon. Member should try to conclude. blem of the refugees who have come from West Pakistan had been looked Into. Let, SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : I me give the figures in this connection. For would request you to kindly give me a few 4.7 million displaced persons from West more minutes. I appeal to you to give me Pakistan, as registered up to 1960, compen- ten more minutes. sation has been paid ; in fact, not only has compensation been paid, but 70 lakhs acres of land had been given to them, besides MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : He should 7 lakhs village houses, and 3,05,000 try to conclude now. I shall give him shops, buildings and houses, and just three minutes more. I am not going more than 2 lakhs Govrrnment-built to give even half a second more after houses in 20 ncarabout townships besides that, cash compensation to the extent of about Rs. 200 crores. Has any single paisa been SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : By spent by way of compensation to the dis- way of another illustration, I may mention placed persons who had come from East the case of export of cotton. We export Pakistan ? There was nothing of that sort cotton to the extent of Rs. 80 crores. To done. Why was that not done ? The plea earn this foreign exchange to extent of was taken that the Nehru-Liaquat Pact was Rs. 80 crores by way of cotton exports, wc there, and under that Pact, the East Paki- have to import nearly Rs. 100 crores worth stan displaced persons were entitled to go of machines, dyes, and other materials. To there and claim their property and usurp all support the cotton textile owners and to interests. support the poor cotton growers, we have to make so much of arrangement and this MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : Now, the at the cost of heavy domestic prices, nearly hon. Member must conclude. I have given 30% excess prices. We are doing all this so him three minutes already. that our cotton goods and our cotton cloth may have an international market and we SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY : I may not have to face competition. Agreeing shall just utter two last sentences of my that this is a good policy for the colton- speech. growers, we find, however, that the same I have unimpeachable cvidencc in my good policy has not been followed in the possession that since the '.cry first duy of case.of the jute growers of West Bengal, the signing of the Nehru-Liaquat Pact our and this is the wisdom of the Central Government kne*v that Pakistan was not Government that we notice. So, if I ask honouring this agreement and they are the hon. Minister at the Centre ‘Will you completely ignoring the terms of the kindly consider giving the same sort of sup- agreement. In spile of that, about port price to the jute growers as you are four and a half years later, in Decem- giving for the sugarcane grower* or the ber, 1954 we find that the WestPakistan cotton growers or the oil-seeds growers ? Displaced Persons* Compensation Act was Are you in a position to give the same sort passed, but that was not made applicable of support price to the extent of Rs. 130 in the case of the East Pakistan displaced or Rs. 140 to the jute growers of West persons. That is a gross injustice. Bengal ?’ would I be wrong in saying so ? Only if that support is given to the jute growers of West Bengal, certainly the village In conclusion, I would say tiuil Govern- th o rn y of West Bcn^l wilt improve ment should consider all these things an [Shri B. K. Daschoudhury] come to realise how WestBengal’s claims of refugees from Bangladesh. The Govern- have been ignored by the Centre's apathy. ment of Pakistan has sent these refugees to Only when Government realise that position India to cripple our economy. can the situation of West Bengal be im- I do not find anything new in the West proved ; it cannot be improved either by Bengal budget. It is the sa m e budget as the military or the CRP. wc have seen in 1952. The serious unem- ployment problem has not grown in a day. SHRI BOK.SI NAYAK (Phulbani) : I Unless we root out unemployment from am thankful for getting an opportunity to West Bengal, we shall never be able to speak on West Bengal. The problems that establish law and order in that State. There- West Bengal is facing are the problems of fore, we must crcate new employment oppor- India. Refugees from across the border are tunities for the people. It is very easy to coming in hundreds and thousands eveiy day lead unemployed people to wrong path. into India, penniless after losing all that When a man is engaged in some occupation, they have in Pakistan. he will have a different outlook towards The Prime Minister has assured the life. So law and order will be fully establi- country that the refugees would be going shed in the State of West Bengal when we back when the proper atmosphere is created shall be able to provide employment to all in Bangla Desh. I hope that climate would the people there. With the help of military be created soon so that West Bengal which personnel and CRP personnel w e shall never has been affected very much economically be able to establish law and order in the will get out of it. Other States share the State of West Bengal. Though the C e n tra l concern of the Centre and West Bengal so Government and the State Government are far as the refugees are concerned. The now making some efforts in order to case Orissa Government have expressed their unemployment problem in the State of willingness to take refugees in sufficient West Bengal, yet their offorts are not a c c o rd - numbers. But so far as their temporary ding to our expectations. settlement is concerned, they are suggesting a place other than Mayurbhanj district. We have industrial belts m Howrah, The Mayurbhanj district is on the West Hooghly, Durgapur, Asansol and in surroun- Bengal border where Naxalites are trying to ding areas of Calcutta. If the industries in make a dent. A majority of the population these places are properly managed, a large of Mayurbhanj is Scheduled Castes and number of people can get employment there. Scheduled Tribes. The settlement of refugees Today the people of West Bengal have in this District migh create some problems. become conscious of their rights. Due to Alternative sites like Dandakaranya have growing unemployment they have become already been suggested and I hope the desparate in life. We must provide employ- Government of India will agree to the sug- ment to the people in every village. Every gestions of the Orissa Government. educated or uneduacated man and agricul- tural labourers should get employment. I wish West Bengal dll well and hope that things would return to normal soon. In the past crores of rupees were sanc- tioned for rural electrification programmes *SHRI LUTFUL HAQUE (Jangipur) : in West Bengal. But we have seen how Hon. Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, while going that money has been spent for some other to discuss about the West Bengal budget I propose. We have also seen that the money, am compelled to make a few observations which was allotted by the Central Govern- about the State of West Bkngal as it is a ment for carrying out land reform program- problem State nowadays. The State of mes* had to be refunded to the Central West Bengal is facing a serious unemploy- Government as that money was not utilised ment problem. It is also facing serious for the desired purpose. industrial crisis, th e law and order situa- West Bengal has got the minimum irri- tion in that State has totally collapsed. gation facilities. It does not have many Apart from these problems, an additional irrigation tube wells and pumping sets com* problem has arisen due to the heavy influx pared to other States in India. H .IIIIII ,*!■ lin n , , 1....111,1 II ..ill IIIIHM.II original spepc^ was tit Wmt Ben&d Budgety SRAVA14 A V 1W $ (&4£4) Demantk' Res., tfe. 17* For the present law and order situation many parts of West Bengal Bihar and in Wert Bengal the police department Is Madhya Pradesh are also well known for biri primarily responsible. making industries. But nobody is concerned with bid labourers. The police intelligence is not functioning fwoperly. In every area we have a number la 1950, Parliament passed the Minimum of police stations but Our policemen do not Wages Act. But the Government of West keep any information about the rowdy Bengal was entrusted with the work of dements in the society. They do not know implementing that Act. It is a matter of where they live. But they certainly know regret that the West Bengal Government is the whereabouts of smugglers and black ■toping over the problem* of the biri labou- marketeers and they are getting some money rers. The bid labourers could not wake up from these people illegally. We are aware the West Bengal Government after repeate- of a large number of smugglers* dens in dly knocking at the doors of that Govern- Murishdabad, Malda and West Dinajpur. ment. ,. . ■ But If I give information about those smug- Shri P. C. Sen went to Farrakha and glers to the police, my life will be in danger Kaliachack areas in connection with a bye- because I shall not receive any police protec- elect ion. These two places are dens of blri- tion. labourers. Ail the biri workers asked him Today rowdy element are being patroni- what he had done for them during his long sed by the political parties. The goondas Chief Ministership. The Minimum Wages are now being considered as political Act was passed in 1950 but even in 1964 workers. So all the murder cases in West that Act was not revised by the Government. Bengat today are considered to be political On these points, too, the biri workers murders and it is said that the goondas have demanded an answer from Shri P. C. Sen. no connection with those murders. Every Shri P. C. Sen appointed a minimum wages murder there is being given a political Committee in November 1964. But we do colour. Therefore, every political leader not know whether that Committee is still should search his own heart to find out to alive or not. Even upto July 1971 we have which way he is leading his country. hot received any report from that Com- mittee. Shri Siddhartha Shanker Ray has been appointed Minister incharge of West Bengal My opponent parties have formed unions affairs. The constitutional implication of among the biri labourers. But immediately his appointment has been discussed by one after forming the unions ten biri factories of my friends. Shri Ray is an honest and have been burnt by them. In this manner active person. In his appointment every they have destroyed many proprietors of person in West Bengal, except his political biri industries. opponents, is happy. After Dr. B. C. Roy I want to know how many cases have he is the only capable person in West been registered by the inspectors for mini- Bengal. The Prime Minister has shown mum wages against the biri proprietors for her wisdom in appointing him as the paying below minimum wages to their Minister incharge of West Bengal Affairs. workers; A great responsibility has been cast upon Shri Ray. It is a Himalayan task to look I am the founder president of the after the affairs of West Bengal. Shri Ray Jangipur biri labourers union. These should be cautious at every step ; otherwise biri labourer earn daily not more than he trill run into difficulties. Rs. 2. But these people have collected Rs. 3 lakhs and SO thousand in order to set up Sir, in our country we have biri labou- a college for them out of small contributions rers. But in this Parliament we have never made by them from their wages. They heard any discussion about the problems of know that the Government is ignoring them these bin labourers. These biri labourers as they do not have education. They there* are found in every part of the contry. 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We have every development of the factory and beat big engineers and p a tiM leaders la our £be worfcen. This type of incident usually country but I do nod know how much .tpok ptetefa Hitler’s Germany but that information they keep about our f&fecs. Incident has taken place in our country, Doctor Meghnad Saha and Kapil Bhatta- .too. charyya, an eminent engineer, said that due The mttitary personnel did not find any to DVC plan vast areas of Burdwan, arms and ammunition from the workers Hooghly and Howrah will turn into barren there. So what was the necessity of such a lands. During rainy season vast areas of combing operation in that factory ? Perhaps those districts will come under water. As Start Sidhartha Shankcr Ray wanted to Show Kauravas built a wax house to kill the this power as lie has been empowered to run Pandvas, the Central Government, through, the administration of West Bengal. This DVC plan, will kill West Bengal. The Cen- gentleman would have been successful if he tral Government has also married the pros* had joined cinema line. He could have been pect of employment for the educated youth a famous actor like Uttam Kumar. He has of West Bengal by almost destroying the eome to politics by mistake. He changed Calcutta port. So this is a national pro- Ids party many times. He has already betto blem. pushed a side by Shri Tarun Kami Ghosh and Shri Bijoy Skigh Nahar. Now he has 15.415 hrs. no support in Calcutta. Since he has got influence in the Centre, he has been tortur- [S h r i K. N. Tiwari in the chair.] ing upon the farmers, labourers and CPI—M party workers on a selective basis in the Sir, today Shri Priyadas Munshi has said name of law and order. But this torture wilt many things about the youth of Bengal. not kill our party. Sir, I want to remind According to him the youth of Bengal is the hon. Minister that in 1962-64 Shri restless today. It is true that the youth of Gulzarilal Nanda issued a white paper io Bengal is restless. But wc must go to the which our partymen were declared traitors root cause of that restlessness. Due to the to the country. But you should know that almost ruinous condition of Calcutta port the entire Weat Bengal has embraced all the the employment prospect for the youth of so-called traitors and the Congress party* Bengal has been spoilt to a considerable men have been thrown out of power by extent. You have talked of Haldia port. the people o f West Bengal. You have also talked of Farrakha barriage. The Congressmen wanted to retain their But I am sure that even after the comple- power thfough fraudulent means. This time tion of Farrakha barriage the 22 ft. high the Governor of West Bengal mentioned in deposit of silt in the mouth of the Ganges his report that the Coalition Government will not be removed. Again 1 will say that in West Bengal had a majority of 7 mem- Haldia port will never prove safer than the bers only. This point was referred toby Calcutta port. The Calcutta port is the comrade Dfaen Bhattacharyya. Even then I safest port m the world but, unfortunately, will aay that our four partymen were in jail. that pert is now on the brink of ruination. We won two seats in the bye-eleetion. Only So I would request the Central {Government one saat was vacant doe to death of Shri to take care of the Calcutta port. Nepal Roy and subsequently it was filed Sir, about the law and order situation up. $o diem is a mistake in the assessment in West Bengal 1 want to say a few words. of party strength made by the Governor. Shri Sidhartha Shankar Ray has been made We were almost equal in strength to the incharge of West Bengal affairs. Many of ruling coalition front. Shri SushH Dhara my friends have already discussed about hi* also came out of the coalition front along appointment for such a post. So I shall with two-other members. OneMuslim Lea- not go Into that matter. But this much I gue member also came out of that front. will say that after Shri Ray’s appointment That Muslim league inemher's house was for West Bengal affairs, military personnel burnt down. His entire family was terrori- have been sent to Birbhum, Buntyanand sed. So the poor fellow was compelled to Hooghly. In the Hindusthan Mptor factory rejoin the ruling coalition itopt *utM in $?est Bengal, where 1406b persons wprk The -ruling coalition front and a c tu a l no ; Srigtftjy peiwnhd were Mat fSJpri Manoranjan Hazm] *Jn that vary day tbecoalition Government Sir, the Central Government would certainly have been defeated. So the provide adequate relief to the Uoa d*»fiect«d ruling pwty, in order to saveits face, had people of West Bengali. a conspiracy with the Governor and on the Sir, one nore point I shall mention. It basis of that conspiracy the Governor sent was reported in the Calcutta newspapers a report as to that no alternative party has that according to some Congress ex-Mhristter majority to form the Government. Consti- of West Bengal Rs. 12 lakhs have been (tu*ionaJly, the Governor should have called sanctioned by the Government for the flood Shri Jyoti Bosu to form the Government. affected areas of Arambagh. I w»«t to But the Governor had no courage to call know how that Minister got this informa- Shri Jyoti Bosu to form the Government as tion. His information about that sanction he acts on the directions of the Central of money clearly shows that the authorities Government. The Central Government does are running the administration of west not want that any opposition party should Bengal ip collusion with the Congress Party form the Government. So this is the demo- there. With these words I conclude my cracy of the ruling Congress party. In order speech. to have their own democracy they have found a pretext in law and order in West SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY Bengal. (Nizamabad): Mr. Chairman, I have heard Shidhartha Babu knows that Shri Deva- many speeches but the pungent criticism... dutt Mandal of Ukhra was murdered. The eye witness of that murder filed an affidavit sft gqrar *** vgwro : ?nTT" in a court and named the culprit. But be was not arrested Sidhartha Babu knows it qfti r, s iw w t *»r ^r^=r and it is a matter of regret that be often ir $ 1 > visits the -home of the murderer, who are responsible for all these murders ? Sir, Shri MR. CHAIRMAN : The bell is being Sauran Bose is one of the Lieutinants of Shri Cbaru Majumdar, the Naxalite leader. rung...Now there is quorum. He may The department of Shri A. C. Pant granted continue his speech. passport to Shri Sauran Bose to have a tour of the continent. But when our young men SHRI M. RAM GOPAL REDDY : Mr. of the youth Federation a tour of the want Chairman, I have heard many speeches bu to visit Korea* they are not granted pass- the pungent criticism came from the DMK. Member, Shri Vishwanathan, who was once ports. In this manner the Congress people are patronising the NaxalHes, With the help our own ally, regarding the appointment or of the Naxalite goondas they are feeling Shri Siddhartha Shankar Ray, as in charge our partymen. Every house of big Congress of the affairs of West Bengal. But I want leaders has become the deu of Naxatites. to say that in proportion to the intensity But the Congress Party says that ail the of the malady we have to administer the murders are being committed by the CPI—M medicine. Wert Bengal needed surgery and party. Some day* in the streets of Calcutta, it is being given by the Central Government these murderers will be tried by us. In the by asking the Ministry to resign ana coming election we shall come to power appointing a Cabinet Minister to be in and then we shall prove who are the real chargeof the affairs of West Bengal. murderers. At that time all documentary Till the death of Shri B. C. Roy, West evidence will be in our possession. . Bengal was almost a paradise and Calcutta ' Sir, Shri Priyadas Msnshi said that Was a cultural city which attracted many Kalyani spinning Mill waaearning profit people from all parts of the country. But, previously. But during the regime: of the unfortunately, after the split in the Com- United f^ont Governments this mill started munist' Party Into two and later on into running tfn loss; Since he has saidthisthing, thrti; double started. ShrUyoti Basu. who I must reply to him. Onee there was a was the Depmy Chief Minister of West proposal to appoint methe Director of this Bengal and who has cieated these Naxalites, spinning mill. But I did not accept the at first thought that it wonNf be * small ofifcr beauw ofcofruptiottfa thatftfljfr shaltan to threaten othere but now it has m Wcst Bcngat Budget, SRAVANA4, im{SAKA) Demands, tos., etc. 186 turnedinto a monster and is devouring the rupees on C.R.P., police, etc. is no solution v«fsr creator, just like Shiva createdBhas- for solving the problems of West Bengal. masura and Bhasmasura wanted to kill What is most required at the moment is to Shiva but Mohini came tq the way. Now give more powers to C.R.P. Mohini, in the form of Indira Gandhi* has T*ie grave situation that has arisen in come down to eliminate this menanceof West Bengal is die Naxalite activity which Naxalites. She is the incarnation of Vishnu poses a very serious problem because the to demolish these Naxalites and to save educated youth is also involved in it, ft is Jyoti Basu and Jyotirmoy Basu, both. essentially an anti-social activity. But as On account of the activities of Naxalites, the educated youth is involved in it, it industries of Bengal are destroyed and many appears that the educated youth has gone industrialists have run away from there. into this activity merely because of frustra- During the days of B. C. Roy, Congress tion. rule, there was an increase of 43 per cent As regards land reforms which have not in the population of West Bengal, that is, been implemented seriously and effectively between 1951 and 1961. Still the per capita in West Bengal, that is also responsible for income those days was the highest. Now the unrest in the State of West Bengal. The on account of the activities of these Naxa- industrial unrest and the fleeing away of lites the per capita income has gone down industrialists from West Bengal to other and all industries have come to a stand-still. States of India is also a matter of concern. If these people stop their violent activities, With the role played by the Centre in the West Bengal will again be in its original State of West Bengal and the special interest place. which is being shown by the Centre for the Regarding jute—of course, I have been first time, I hope, the affairs of West Bengal dealing with sugarcane—I advise the will be solved as soon as possible and the Government to see that the per acre yield restoration of peace and harmony will be of jute is increased. An increase in the restored in West Bengal. price of jute is not going to solve the prob- lem because wc are exporting jute to inter- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE national markets. When we are having a MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI K. R. keen competition, we have to keep the price GANESH): Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am of ju SHRI B* K. D A SC ^W D H W Y ; ofindustries in West Bengal and the solu- WJiatabout the Haldi* Development Board tion of the unemployment problem and tbe which was constituted some years ago ? U solution of the various problems. Here is it functioaiug ? r an entire State which has gone absolutely om of gear. I can assure the House that SHRI K. R. GANESH : Yes* the Government of India Will try to find An inquiry committee for locating ft the i resources within its available resources, ship-building yard at Haldia has been set and it is necessary to bring about a healthy up. The IDBI has disbursed from July, revival and a democratic revival of political 1964 to July, 1970, Rs 2,700 lakhs to Indus- life in the State of West Bengal. tries in West Bengal. With these words, I commend the bud- Dr. Ranen Sen referred to the housing get to the Hostse. provision as Rs. 3 lakhs. This is not cor* rect. The total provision for housing schemes in 1971-72 in West Bengal budget is faraerr fo r Rs. 2.15 crores. t *ft | ? So far as municipalities are concerned, a remark was made by an hon. member that they are suffering for want of finances. The THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF HOME AFFAIRS (SHRI Municipalities and the Calcutta Corporation K. C. PANT) : Sir, I thank the hon. will get a share of octroi for augmenting Members who have participate in this de- their resources. All development work within bate, and the ambit of this debate has the CMDA is being done by the CMDA covered almost all aspects of the current which is getting central assistance, sham of scene in West Bengal. The law and order octroi, market loan etc. Loam are given to the Calcutta Corporation and municipali- aspect naturally has figured in the debate and because the budget was discussed simul- ties as and when necessary. 80 per cent of taneously, it has helped to some extent in the DA of municipal employees and the corclating the economic and the law and Calcutta Corporation is given by the State order factors. Also, there was a discussion Government. The Central Government has on the needs of Calcutta and the needs of so far sanctioned Rs. 6£ crores by way of West Bengal and what steps should be taken grant for slum clearance. by the Centre, by the administration there, within the limits of the resources that there SHRI DINBN BHATTACHARYYA are in sight, to increase the tempo of econo- (Scrampore): What about municipal em- mic growtn and development. ployees 7 He referred to Corporation em- My colleague has just touched the bud- ployees only. getary aspects and I would not like to dwell on those aspects at all. So far as I am SHRI K. R. GANESH : Municipal concerned, I have listened very carefully to employees are also included in this. the comments from various sections of the House, and I am gratified to find that there SHRI DINBN BHATTACHARYYA : is a very large measure of support for the They are not. President’s proclamation and also the West Bengal State Legislature (Delegation of SHRI K. R. GANESH ; These are some Power) Bill. of the specific provisions made. My inten- tion in detailing these it not to say that the A few Members did take objection to formidable and complex problems of West the proclamation by the President. They Bengal will be solved by these allocations opposed it and I thought that some of them bnt only to indicate that an honest attempt possibly misunderstood the situation or did within the resources available has been not appreciate it fully. Otherwise, they made to tackle them. may not hive opposed it at all...... A much greater and massive investment I do not wgnt to detailall the facts, will have to be made if we have to come because these are given m the Governor’s to grips with the problems>f WestBengal rcport, but very briefly, on the 25thJune, the problem of revival ^ r e ^ q ^ t i o n ^/A)cg.M4MMh m West B**^Budg*t, SRKVkKA 4; l&3 194 wrote to the Governor and he explained Aw>C.hfr aspcotof the matter was that tfc*t a very graye situation had developed in the vote on account had been taken till 31 the State as a resutt ofthe developments July, 1971 and that meant that after that in Bangla Pesh. He referred to the fact . date the QoyeaFnment ofthe $tate could not that lakhs and lakhs of refugees had come be carried on unless the budget was passed into the border districts of Bengal and Also and the budget session was due to commence into some of the other districts; some of them , on 28 June to pass budget for the remaining had reached Calcutta ; aud he naturally— period of the year. Since the State whether he mentioned it specifically or not— Assembly was dissolved it was not possible did feel the pressure on the administration to carry on the administration of the State of the requirements of such a large numbers after 31 July. In those circumstances the coming into the State in a relatively short Governor recommended to the President fco time. If we just pause to think of the issue a proclamation under article 356 of numbers that came into Bengal in the course the Constitution and assume all the of a few weeks or into tiny Tripura or into functions of the Government of the other regions, one can easily imagine what State. strain that must have imposed on the admi- nistrative structure—food and other supplies, The recommendation was accepted and shelter, and other needs such as hygiene, as the House knows a proclamation Under medical needs ; the fact that some. oLthera article 356 was issued in relation to Hie came with cholera ; and other basic facili- State of West Bengal on 29 June, 1971, We ties that are required in such a situation— have now come before this House because and all these compressed in a matter of a unless the Proclamation is approved by both few weeks. This naturally imposed a terri- Houses of Parliament,, it will cease to fic strain on any administration. But couplcd operate with effect from 29 August, 1971. with this was the attendant risk of provo- Since elections cannot be held so quickly, cation of communal violence, the attendant particularly in the prevailing situation in risk of certain elements who utilised every Bengal, we have come before the House for opportunity to their own ends, of utilising its approval for the continuance of the Pro- this one also to create law and order pro- clamation for a further period of six blems, to fish in troubled waters. months. AH these problems, all thesi possibili- Some hon. Members say that instead of ties were there very much. Let us not for- accepting the advice of the Chief Minister get that this situation was superimposed on the Governor should have allowed a trial an already difficult situation on account of of strength to take place oh the floor of the the economic difficulties and the law and House. The general proposition that the order situation, to both of which reference strength of a Council of Ministers should was made by various sections of the House, be tested on the floor of the House, parti- The Chief Minister therefore felt that If any cularly when a session is imminent, is un- administration were to deal with these pro- exceptionable but in this particular caw 1 blems effectively it would have to have a think it was out of place. (An Hon. Mem- sufficiently large majority and therefore he ber : Why ?) I shall explain. The question said : I shall not be able to deal with it ; did not arise in West Bengal at this stage I think that in these circumstances it is because the Chief Minister had not lost his best for me to advise you to dissolve the majority ; let me make that clear ; he has Assembly and to seek a fresh mandate so said so in his letter and the Governor that if I come back with sufficient majority had accepted the contention of the Chief I can administer the State. Minister. The Governor also mentioned in his. letter that the Chief Minister continues This appears to have been more or less to enjoy majority. the frame of mind. He wrote that letter and the Governor accepted his advice and Therefore, the position clearly is that under article 174 (2) (B) of the Constitution the Chief Minister could have continued % ordered the dissolution of the Legislative Office if he so desired. This basic fact mu$t Assembly, On 28 June the Chief Minister no t he lost sight of. He could have eonti- submitted his resignation and the resignation nued, and it is I think froma sense of high 4u?y* fei|^ pa,triotism# th*the manner.■ * “ "*1* 7 . ... . '■' ■- •, ■ ■ 195 , ■ ■■■ M r * * u p r ■ Demands, K**.,*tc. y* : W ■' SHRI DINEN s SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : Hk party of five was aMp#fll>, i ■ '■ V-v*' ■1 We always wanted that the majority should ' • ■ ■ ' :.!■•? . tested on the floor of the House. Only SHRI K .C . PANT : ill llie given cir- two days were left. On the 28th the cumstances it was only proper, if he bad Assembly was to meet. The heavens would any doubt about the ability of his Govern- not have fallen. He could have decided the ment with a thin majority to carry the burden majority of Mr. Ajoy Mukherjee or the other of the State at this particular juncture, that parties. he did not insist on continuing in office, on sticking to office, which is normally the SHRI K. C. PANT : The question charge leveled against a Chief Minister. He of a test arises if there is a doubt about it. did not do so. Here he is blamed for not obntinuiftg in office. (Interruption). SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : ' I am trying to ignore Mr. Jyotirmoy There was a doubt. Basu in the hope that my ignoring him will keep him in some peace, that he will not SHRI K. C. PANT : Unfortunately, he bounce op again and again* AH of ns are is not the Governor of West Bengal. so happy to see him back in the House. We have missed him for the last so many 0HRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : days and we would not like to impose You ace also not. any unnecessary strain on him at this juncture. SHjjU K. C. PANT : Such important constitutional matters should not be discus- Therefore, I do not really know how, sed fton? the point of view of narrow, in the given circumstances, it can be argued partial^ pturt^ objectives. We must see that that the Governor should not have accepted proper conventions are established, and it ft the advice of the Chief Minister to dissolve in reference to such conventions that I am the Assembly. What the Governor did was saying that his party has always emphasised in accordance with the conventions of that the Governor should not be given dis- Parliamentary democracy and the consistent cretion. practice that has developed in this country over a number of years. SHRI PILOO MODY : It is against Shri Dinen Bh&ttacharyya asked me what you yourself have advocated when you why. If 1 remember aright, every time the said earlier that the principle of testing the question of President's rule has come up in majority in the Assembly is unexceptionable the House, his party has insisted that the and that this, however, cannot be considered Governor should not be given any discrea- as a normal case. So, I think you should tkm in the matter of accepting or not accept* deal with it only as an abnormal case and ing the advice of a Chief Minister who has a not justify it from the constitutional point majority in the Assembly that has been their of view, very clear and categorical position in every case. ' ■ SHRI K. C. PANT : It is an abnormal case which is made more abnormal by the SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : fact that it is very unusual for a Chief We also want the abolition of the post of Minister with a majority to resign or to Governor. advise dissolution. That is the simple point 1 am making, and I think that the House SHRI K. C. PANT : You cannot mis- will agree with me, and particularly my lead the House and draw their attention CPM friends will agree, that if the Governor away from the central point that I have were not to accept the advice of the Chief made The central point you have always Minister who has a majority in the Assem- made is that the Governor should not be bly, that would open the door to all kinds given the discretion and that if a Chief of possibilities which they have been warn* Minister enjoying amajority advises him to ing us against all these years. I hope I dissolve the House, the Governor should act have been able to dispel their misgivings on his advice. iturt has always t e n and I hope the President’s proclamation and your position. If today youwant to ehange the other BiH would receive the whole- fp iir cM lf I swMrt io boar you, ^ (warted approval of the Hota*, 197 i1/est iJenga/ Budget. SRA VANA 4, 1893 (SAKA) Demands, Res., etc. 198 16.00 hrs. feel they are making use of these anti-social elements for their ends, but J think the Several hon. members spoke about the truth is that anti social elements are pro- Jaw and order situation in West Bengal. bably making use of the political parties. For the last so many months, the House has been greatly concerned about various AN HON. MEMBER: Including yout manifestations of a disturbed law and order party. situation there. We have discussed i~s various stages of evolution, how it started, SHRI K. C. PANT : Try to take this how it worsened and ultimately how it led seriously. Because every time 1 say anti- to inter-party clashes on a fairly large-scale, social elements if you protest, needles suspi- to individual assassinations, gun-snatching Cion is drawn to you . and to a general sense of fear and insecurity Therfore, these anti-social elements there I do not want to go into all the are always trying to take advantage details of the history of the Naxalite move- of such a situation. In a big urban ment, how the situation deteriorated and centre like Calcutta there are always how this House has attempted to grapple anti-social elements. In any big urban with the problem and what the Government centre of that size these anti-social elements has done in the matter, because all these do resort to crime even under normal condi- things have come up here on various occa- tions. Now here is a situation in which sions and I would have to speak very long they can resort to their usual crimes under if I were to touch on all these aspects. But cover of some political parties, or even broadly speaking, I would say, it is a com- under the cover of certain glamour of plex situation and it is important to try to extremism. Therefore, without adhering analyse it. If we analyse it, perhaps 'We to any ideology, they get the cover of being can distinguish at least six clear, different ideologically inclined, though they may not eomponents of the situation, actually be so. This is the kind of situation which they take advantage of-political In the first place, there is the range of rivalries and extremism. activities of Naxalites and other extremist groups, who are out to destroy all the demo- Fourthly, there is the broader socio- cratic values which we cherish and out to economic canvas in which the role of the indulge in individual violence and terrorism, youth has to be understood, to which my out to insult national symbols. national young friend referred ; the frustrations of heroes, their portraits and pictures and the the youth have to be understood, the sense like. I do not want to dwell on it ; the of adventure of youth, its involvement, as House is well aware of their activities. a matter of history and tradition in revolu- Secondly, we have the acute political tionary politics ; sections of the youth are rivalries there. Some political parties have attracted by violence also. So, this needs perhaps taken resort to violence. At one to be understood. Because, if we donot particular stage. I remember, there was an try to delve a little deeper into the socio- attempt by one party at any rate, to assert logical aspects of this matter then we tend to its dominance on the political scene of West inflate the strength of the Naxalites by Bengal. So, inter-party clashes did take lumping all these elements together. There place. The worst of them is that they are some ,·.ommitted Naxalites, but there are have left behind a fall-out of bitterness, others in their ranks who may be attracted which manifests itself in short-tempered temporarily by certain facets, a sense of exchanges in this House sometimes and adventure, a sense of romanticism, even of certainly which is very much in evidence in violent activities, but not deeply com- the continuing acts of violence, whether mitted. Thus, there are these anti- individually or on the basis of party groups social elements and if we lump all of in Bengal. them together we would only add to the strength of the Naxalities. Therefore, it is Thirdly, we have the goondas and in this context that we have to understand ruffians and anti-social elements, who take what we mean when we talk of Naxalites. full advantage of the situation not only of the Naxalite depredations but of the inter- Then there is the common man and party clashes and political rivalries. T do women of West Bengal who have been not know whether some political parties terrorised ; whether it is the oeasent or the 199 fyest Bengal Budget, JULV 26. 101 Demands, Res , etc. 20 6 [Shri K. C. Pant] , worker or the ordinary citizen who Is «iyidk- is individual murder, whether it is ^ en ing in the streets of Calcutta, he has been murder or whether it is secret murder it is subjectedto terror, he has become pani* a murder. We have to treat it as such. What stricken and the evidence of that is he has we need—from CPI (M) also if they can become indifferent to crime. When a crime muster courage—is to renounce all forms of takes place in the broad day light in the violence and to denounce them. This is streets of Calcutta, even then he is not needed and this will create the right type of opining forward to give evidence because he ctimate we want. is a&atd, This is a fact ojf life today. Sir, differences of opinion are a part of democracy. You cannot help it, and many SHRI DASARATHA DEB (Tripura differences of opinion are very healthy. You East): The result of 24 years of Qmgress cannot escape differences of opinion in dem- ocracy. The question that always arises is how 1SHRT K. C.*ANT : Not 24 yearp , of do you resolve these differences. Do you res- out rule but six months of your administra- olve the differences by force by intimidation, tion. You have to understand that In this by coercion, by violence or do you resolve i$fttter you are very vulnerable and the less in a democratic spirit through persuasion or ybolsbeak the better. ^ through an attempt to win over the other person towards one's way of thinking. This Wc have the police administration as is the essential point. It is not a question well as the law and order agencies. They of discussing violence in the abstract but have their good and bad points, their stren- It is a question of either adopting the demo- gth and weakness. We have to understand cratic approach or not adopting it and in that they are functioning in a particular the democratic approach where there are climate in Bengal ' today. They are drawn differences, differences have to be resolved from the $ame sociological background from by each side trying to persuade the other which lEhany of us come, the people in poli- side to one’s way of thinking. tics and other walks of life. They are subject to the same kind of prejudices, if you like, But, Sir, when I say that violence has the same kind of bias ; they have the same to be denounced I do realise that mere strength and weakness. It is no use always denunciation of violence is not going to condemning them - We must understand that change the complex situation that has been they ate functioning under a great sense of created in West Bengal and it is just now strain because of the situation which 1 have very important that the political parties—all just now described; It is not a simple situa- the political parties who have a say in tion ; it is a complex situation. The West Bengal—-^get together and play the role worst of it is, wc have to admit, that that, is expected if them at this time-expectcd much of what has happened is due to not by us but expected by the prople of the sedulous propagation of the politics of West Bengal, expected by the people of this violence and murder, this unfortunate aspect country. I sincerely hope having realised the of the deliberateness of it. tragic consequence of the ways of violence Therefore, when l listened to Dr. Raaen Individual murder and politics of violence Sen the other day I thought that this was and murder, the political parties in West not the5 juncture when one should distinguish Bengal would come together to find the between violence as a principle and the way. question of individual violence, individual In this context I would like to refer to murderandsecret murder. X would not like the efforts being made by my colleague, to belittle the value of his contribution ; he Shri Sidhartha Shankar Ray, who invited has made an important contribution to the all the political parties in Bengal and who debate. I do not want to score debating is holding discussions with them. He is points, fcut I think that while I wo&ld trying to arrive at a consensus on how to endorse the programme of action which he put an end to the politics of violence and has owtHaed, I would beg of him net to murder. 1 hope, Sir, if this kind pf consen- mafcte a distinction just now between one sus emerges then we may be nearer to bring Jdnd , of violence and another of to an end tjbe sorry chapter of inter-party violence. Because at this stage we have to cl ashes, assassinations, gun-snatching and so saytfaat murder is murder. And whether it pi*. This concensus will be meaningful inly M l \ West BengatBudget, SRAVAtfA 4, i& i &AKA) Demands, ttes,f etc. 202 if it is backed by action by the political to be surrounded—the officer In charge of parties at all levels, only if they are willing the area, the Superintendent of Police or to expose and isolate those elements which Who else or the Congress ex-minister 1 have been responsible for the present situa- tion, arid hand them over to the ordinary SHRI K. C. PANT: If my hon, friend’s processes of law. It is here that the law credentials were beyond doubt, I would enforcement agencies have their role to play. have consulted Mm In the matter. Their task would undoubtedly be easier if As I said, this is our broad approach all the political parties were to cooperate in to the administrative machinery and this what is admittedly the common task before would continue to be our policy. 1 said and West Bengal. They will, however, have to I repeat that there may b? instances of discharge their duties even if one or the excesses and when there are inteaces of other political party chooses not to coope- excesses, I am as intarested as any hon. rate. ■ Member opposite that anybody who is to Sir, there have been charges against CRP blame is brought to book. Naturally, in a and the police. T have said often in this condition in which these policenicn and House and said with all sincerety that when* other officers work, under such grcit strain ever specific intances are brought of our over a long period, there may be such notice we will certainly look into them. instances. SHRI SAMAR GUHA ; You should SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : not skip over this point so lightly. You In the British days, if a policeman killed should seriously go into the allegations anybody there would be an inquiry. That is made. It is not one or two instances. It is not there now. This is the thing going on in a question of re-organisation and reorienta- West Bengal. tion of the police force if you really want to deal with the law and order situation there. SHRI K. C. PANT : I do not want to refer to a few matters but he is repeatedly provoking me. Do I have to remind him . , . SHRI K. C. PANT : Any specific sugg- estions of reorientation and reorganisation MR. CHAIRMAN : You are interrupting are also welcome. I can also look into them. off and on. Please do not do it otherwise I am not holding any brief for any policeman it will not go on record. or any officer, who indulges in excesses. Why should 1 ? I am as interested as you SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA : * * are that the rule of law prevails, that the administrative machinery functions in a MR. CHAIRMAN : That will not go manner which is not only fair but which on record. seemed to be fair, which is free of bias, which is just and which is not motivated by SHRI K. C. PANT: I think, this? political considerations. After all, this is House knows that whatever be our inten- our basic approach to the administrative tions about runaing the Government machi- machinery, whatever the basic approach nery, in the manner which I indicated; of some others may be. earlier, that is, without any political bias* there have been certain political parties who SHRI DINEN BHATTACHARYYA ; have come to power in West Bengal and Who decides which place is to be searched who l^ve not subscribed to this view and and where the army is to surround a these political parties have not spared any certain place ? I gave you certain examples effort to subvert the loyalty of the Govern- and I wrote to you also. Hindustan ment servants there. Let ua not forget these Motors is a factory with 10,000 gallons things. But today under our administration of petrol there ; so many machines we are trying to put things right. There- are there. That factory in the running condi- fore, the hon. Member, will be well advised tion was surrounded by 2,000 armyxnen not jo touch on these aspepts. ‘ and CRP. Even the employer had to come Here, on the floor of thisfiouse, we forward and protest againss is. So, who also have a duty to.see these things h* their MR. CHAIRMAN : Let him not pass the sum necessary to defray the charges such unnecessary remarks. I am not allowing which will come in course of payment any questions now. What he says vtfil not during the year ending the 31st day of go on record. March, 1972, in respect of ‘Land Revenue*.’* SHRI D1NEN BHATTACHARYYA: ** D em and No. 2—76—O ther Miscellaneous MR. CHAIRMAN : I shall put cut Compensations and Assignments. motions Nos. 1 to 10 in the name of Shri ‘That a sum not exceeding Manoranjan Hazra, Nos. 11 to 23 in the Rs. 22,01,000 be. granted to the Presi- name of Dinen Bhattacharyya, and Nos. dent out of the Consolidated Fund of 24 to 30 in the name of Shri Dinesh Joarder tfie State of West Bengal to complete the to the vote of the House. sum necessary to defray the charges which Cut motions Nos, J to 30 were put and .will come in course of payment during negatived. the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Other Miscellaneous MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : Compensations and Assignments*." “That the respective sums not excced- D em and No. 2—92—Payment of Co m- ing the amounts shown in the third pensation to Land-holdkrs etc., on . column of the Order Paper be granted the Abolition or the Zamindaki to the President out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of West Bengal to System . Complete the sums necessary to defray “That a sum not exceeding the charges which will come in course of Rs. 2,50,00,000 be granted to the Presi- payment during the year ending the dent out of the Consolidated Fund of 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of the State of West Bengal to complete the following heads of demands entered the sum necessary to defray the charges in the second column thereof; which will come in course of payment Demands Nos. 1 to 9, 11 to 48, 50 to during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Payment of 52 and 54" Compensation to Land-holders, etc., on The motion was adopted. the Abolition of the Zamindari SytemV' [The motions for Demands for Grants% which were adopted by the Lok-Sabha, are D e m a n d N o . 3— 10—S t a t e E x c ic e D u t ie s . reproduced below—Ed.} “That a sum not exceeding Rs. 78,92,000 be granted to the Presi- D e m a n d N o . 1 - 4 —T a x e s o n I n c o m e dent out of the Consolidated Fund of OTHER THAN CORPORATION TAX. the State of West Bengal to complete “That a sum not exceeding the sum necessary to defray the charges Rs. 7,71,000 be grafted to the President wihch will come in course of payment ont of the Consolidated Fund of the during the year ending the 31st day of State of West Bengal to complete the March, 1972, in respect of ‘State Excise sum necessary to defray the charges Duties’,” which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of D em and No. 4—II—Taxes on Vehicles. March, 1972, in respect of Taxes on “That a sum not exceeding Income other than Corporation Tax’.” Rs. 16,33,0Q§.$%granted to the President put of the Opsoiidated Fund of the De m an d No . 2—9—La n d R even ue . State of West‘jpbngal to complete the sum “That a sum not exceeding necessary to |efray the charges which Rs. 5,19,54,000 be granted to the Presi- Will com* in/ course of payment dining dent out of the Consolidated Fund of the yeaf ending the 31st day of March, the State of West Bengal to complete respect of Taxes on \ e *' t*Not recorded. H I West Bengal Budget. SRAVANA 4, 1893 (SA&A) ttommts. Jt*s., etc. 718 dent out of the Consolidated Fund of sum necessary to defray the charges the State of West Bengal to complete which will come in course of payment the sum necessary to defray (he charges during the year ending the 31st day of which will come in course of payment March, 1972, in respect of *Public during the year ending the 31st day of Works*.** March, 1972, in respect of4 Irrigation, Navigation, Embankment and Drainage Demand No. 35—51 A—Greater Cal- (Non-Commercial)’.” cutta Development Scheme. Demand No. 33—98—Capital Outlay “That a sum no t exceeding on M ultipurpose River Schemes. Rs. 6,11,93,000 be granted to the Presi- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of “That a sum not exceeding the State of West Bengal to complete the Rs. 2,26,66,000 be granted to the Presi- sum necessary to defray the charges dent out or the Consolidated Fund of which will come in course of payment the State of West Bengal to complete the during the year ending the 31st day of sum necessary to defray the charges March, 1972, in respect of 'Greater which will come in course of payment Calcutta Development Scheme*.** during the yeer ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of 'Capital Out- D em and No. 35—106A—Capital Outlay lay on Multipurpose River Schemes’.” on Greater Calcutta Development Schem e. Demand No. 33—96—Capital Outlay on Irrigation, Navigation, Embankment ‘That a sum not exceeding and Drainage Works (Commetcial). Rs. 2,22,19,000 be granted to the Presi- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of “That a sum not exceeding the State of West Bengal to complete Rs, 93,93,000 be granted to the Presi- the sum necessary to defray the charges dent out of the Consolidated Fund of which will come in course of payment the State of West Bengal to complete the during the year ending the 31st day of sum necessary to defray the charges March, 1972, in respect of ‘Capital Out- which will come in course of payment lay on Greater Calcutta Development during the year ending the 31st day of Scheme’.” March, 1972, in respect of ‘Capital Out- lay on Irrigation, Navigation, Embank- Demand No. 36—53—Ports and Pilo- ment and Drainage Works (Com- ta g e . mercial)’.” ••That a sum not exceeding Demand No. 33—100—Capital Outlay on Rs. 13,13,000 be granted to the Presi- Irrigation, Navigation, Embankment dent out of the Consolidated Fond of and Drainage Works (Non-Commer- the State of West Bengal to complete c ia l) . the sum necessary to defray the charges “That a sum not exceeding which will come in course of payment duriug the year ending the 31st day of Rs. 86,93,000 be granted to the President out of the Consolidated Fund of the March, 1972, in respect of ‘Ports and State pf West Bengal to complete the sum Pilotage’.” necessary to defray the charges which Will come in course of payment during Demand No. 37—57—Roads and W ater the year ending the 31st day of March, Transport Schemes. 1972, in respect of /Capital Outlay on “That a sum not exceeding Irrigation, Navigation, Embankment and Rs. 57,31,000 be granted to the Presi- Drainage Works (Noncommercial)*.** dent out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of West Bengal to complete Dema n d No. 34—50—Pu b l ic Wo r k s. the sum neoessary to defray the charges : -a-'-v8ui». :iiot-- -: cxceoding Which wBI come in course of payment Rs. 10,64,79,000 be granted to the Presi- : during the year coding the 3i « d»y of dent outof theConsoIidatcd Fund of ; Man*, 1972, in roped of 'Roads and - 119 WestBengal Budget, JU tV 26, 1971 Demands:Res., etc. 2 $ [Mr. Chairman] Demand No. 37—114—C apital O utlay on in# the 3ist day of March, 1972, in Road ane W ater Transport Sc h e m e s , respect of ‘Privy Purses and Allowances * That a sum not exceeding of Indian Rulers'.” Rs. 6,13,000 be granted to the President out of the Consolidated Fund of the D em and No . 41—68—Stationery and State of West Bengal to complete the P r in tin g . sum necessary to defray the charges “That a sum not exceeding which will comc in course of payment Rs. 78,24,000 be granted to the Presi- during the year ending the 31st day of dent out of the Consolidated Fund of March, 1972, in respcct of ‘Capital Out- the State of West Bengal to complete the lay on Road and Water Transport sum necessary to defray the charges Scheme’.” which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of D em an d No . 38—64—Famine Relief. March, 1972. in respect of ‘Stationery “That a sum not exceeding and Printing’.” Rs. 3,04,95,000 be granted to the Presi- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Demand No. 42—70— F o r e s t. the State of West Bengal to complete the sum necessary to defray the charges “That a sum not exceeding which will come in course of pavmcnt Rs. 2,17,65,000 be granted to the Presi- during the year ending the 31st day of dent out of the Consolidated Fund of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Famine the State of West Bengal to complete Rdtef\” the sum necessary to defray the charges which will come in course of payment D e m a n d N o . 39— 65— P e n s i o n s a n d o t h e r during the year ending the 31st day of Retirement Benefits. March, 1972, in respect of ‘Forest’.” “That a sum not exceeding Rs. 2,41,95,000 be granted to the Presi- Demand No. 43—71—Miscellaneous ~ dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Contribution. the State of West Bengal to complete “That a sum not exceeding the sum necessary to defray the charges Rs. 7,73,69,000 be granted to the Presi- which will come in course of payment dent out of the Consolidated Fund of during the year ending the 31st day of the State of West Bengal to complete March, 1972, in respect of ‘Pensions and the sum necessary to defray the charges other Retirement Benefits’.” which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of D e m a n d N o . 39— 120— P a y m e n t s o e C o m - March, J972, in respect of * Miscellane- m u t e d Va l u e o f P e n s io n s . ous—Con tr ibu tion V* "That a sum not exceeding Rs. 6,30,000 be granted to the President D em and No. 44— 71—M iscellaneous — out of the Consolidated Fund of the Pancmayats. State of West Bengal to complete the sum necessary to defray the charges “That a sum not exceeding which will come in course of payment Rs. 2,14,04,000 be grafted to the Presi- during the year ending the 31st day of dent out of the Consolidated Fund of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Payments of the State of West Bengal to complete Commuted Value of Pensions’.” the sum necessary to defray the charges which will come in course of payment D em and No. 40—67—Privy Purses and during she year ending the 31st day of Allowances of Indian Rulers. March, 1972* in respect of ‘Miscellane- ous - Panchayats*.” **That a sum not exceeding Rs. 18,000 be granted to the President out of the D em and No* 45—71—M iscellaneous— Consolidated Fund of the State of West ■ ■ S i ■ '■ ■' Bengal to completetht sura necessary to defray the charges v/tiich wilt come in *Tb^t a sum not exceeding v course of paym ^duringtheyearead- 2fcl West Bengal Budget, SRAVANA 4, 1*93 (SAKA) Demands, Mes., etc. 222 dent out of the Consolidated Fund of ous—Irrecoverable Loam to displaced the State of West Bengal to complete Persons’.” the sum necessary to defray the charges which will come in course of payment Dlmand No. 48—71—Miscellaneous— during the year ending the 31st day of EXI’tNDlIURE ON DISPLACED PERSONS. March, 1972, in respect of ‘Miscellane- ous—Sports’.” “That a sum not exceeding Rs. 53,74,80,000 be granted to the Presi- D em and No. 46—71—M iscellaneous- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Civil Defence. the State of West Bengal to complete the sum necessary to defray the charges “That a sum not exceeding which will come in course of payment Rs. 1,21,17,000 be granted to the Presi- during the year ending the 31st day of dent out of the Consolidated Fund of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Miscellane- the State of West Bengal to complete ous -Expenditure on Displaced Persons’.’ the sum necessary to defray the charges which wilt come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of D em and No. 48—109—Capital Outlay on March, 1972, in respect of ‘Miscellane- other Works—Expenditure on Dis- ous-Civil Defence’.” placed Persons. “ That a sum not exceeding D em and No. 47—71—M iscellaneous— Rs. 51,33,000 be granted to the Presi- O ther M iscellaneous Expenditure. dent out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of West Bengal to complete “That a sum not cxcccding ■ the sum necessary to defray the charges Rs 2,90,97,000 be granted to the Presi- which will come in course of payment dent out of the Consolidated Fund of during the year ending the 31st day of the State of West Bengal to complete March, 1972, in respect of ‘Capital Out- the sum necessary to defray the charges lay on other Works—Expenditure on which will corne in course of payment Displaced Persons’.” during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Miscellane- ous-Other Miscellaneous Expenditure’.” D e m a n d N o. 48— Lo a n s a n d A d v a n c e s t o D is p l a c e d P e r s o n s . D em and No. 47—109—Capital Outlay “That a sum not exceeding on other Works. Rs. 40,00,000 be granted to the Presi- “That a sum not exceeding dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Rs. 4,11,00,000 be granted to the Presi- the State of West Bengal to complete dent out of the Consolidated Fund of the sum necessary to defray the charges the State of West Bengal to complete which will come in course of payment the sum necessary to defray the charges during the year ending the 31st day of which will come in course of payment March, 1972, in respect of ‘Loans and during the year ending the 31st day of Advances to Displaced Persons’.” March, 1972, in respect of ‘Capital Outlay on other Works’.” D em an d No . 50—98—Capital Outlay on M ultipurpose River Schemes—Damo- D em and No. 48—71—M iscellaneous— dar Valley Project. Irrecoverable Loans to Displaced P erso n s. •‘That a sum not exceeding Rs. 3,69,99,000 be granted to the Presi- “That a sum not exceeding dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Rs* 7,33,000 be granted to the President the State of West Bengal to complete out of the Consolidated Fund of the the sum necessary to defray the charges State of West Bengal to complete the which will come in course of payment necessary to defray the charges during the year ehdiitg tbe 31st day of which will come in course of payment March, 1972, in respect of ‘Capital Out- daring the year ending the 31st day of lay on Multipurpose River Schemes- 223 IVestBengtHMuiget, JULY 26, 1971 IV*k Bengal Appropriation 224 Demands, Res. , etc. {Ho. 2) Bill, W t [Mr. Chairman] D e m a n d No . 51—103—Capital Outlay MR. CHAIRMAN : We shall now take on Public Works. up the clauses. “That a sum not exceeding The question is : Rs. 5,26,16,000 be granted to the Presi- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of “That clause 2 stand part of the the State of West Bengal to complete Bill”. the sum necessary to defray the charges The motion was adopted. which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of Clause 2 was added to the litt. March, 1972, in respect of ‘Capital Outlay on Public Works'.” MR. CHAIRMAN : There is am amend- ment to clause 3 in the name of Shri D em an d No * 52—124—Capital Outlay on Somnath Chatterjee. The hon. Member is Schemes of Government Trading. absent. “That a sum not exceeding The question is ; Rs. 3,38,79,000 be granted to the Presi- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of **That clause 3 stand part of the Bill”. the State of West Bengal to complete The motion was adopted the suin necessary to defray the charges which will come in course of payment Clause 3 was added to the Bill. during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of 'Capital MR. CHAIRMAN : There is an amend- Outlay on Schemes of Government ment to clau .e 1 standing in the name of Trading*/* Shri Somnath Chatterjee. The hon. Member is absent. D em and No . 34—Loans and Advances The question is : by Statf/Union Territory Govern- m en ts. “That clause 1 stand part of the “That a sum not exceeding Bill.'* Rs. 18,22,70,000 be granted to the Presi- The motion was adopted. dent out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of West Bengal to complete Clause 1 was addled to the Bill. the sum necessary to defray the charges The Enacting Formula and the Title which will come in course of payment were added to the Bill. during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Loans and SHRI K. C. PANT : I move : Advances by State/Union Territory “That the Bill be passed." Governments. MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : MR. CHAIRMAN ; The question is : “That the Bill he passed." “That this House approves the Proclamation issued by the President on The motion was adopted. the 29th June, 1971 under article 356 of the Constitution in relation to the State 16.35 hrs. o f West Bengal. The motion was adopted. WEST BENGAL APPROPRIATION (NO. 2) BILL* 1971 MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN “That the Bill to confer on the Presi- THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE dent the power of theLegislature of the (SHRI K. R. GANESH) : I beg to move State of West Bengal to make laws, be for leave to introduce a Bill to authorise taken into consideration.” payment and appropriation o f certain sum* The motion was adopted. , ; { from and out of the Consolidated Food of 2® W .u B m tal SRAVAKA 4» 1893 {SALO D m m b . K a„ «c. 210 D r m a n d N o . 5— 12—S a l e s T a x . Demand No. 11— 18—Parliament, S ta te } Union Territory Legislature. ‘That a sum not exceeding Rs. 57,67,000 be granted to the Presi- “That a sum not exceeding dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Rs. 62,56,000 be granted to the Presi- the State of West Bengal to complete dent oat of the Consolidated Fund of the sum necessary to defray the charges the State of West Bengal to complete which will come in course of payment the sum necessary to defray the charges during the year ending the 31st day of which will come in course of payment March, 1972, in respect of ‘Sales Tax’.” during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Parliament State/Union Territory Legislature*.” D em and No . 6—13—Other Taxes and D u tie s. Demand No. 12—19—General Adminis- “That a sum not exceeding t r a t i o n . Rs, 74,61,000 be granted to the Presi- “That a sum not exceeding dent out of the Consolidated Fund* of Rs. 5,74,89,000 be granted to the Presi- the State of West Bengal to complete dent out of the Consolidated Fund of the sum necessary to defray the charges the State of West Bengal to complete which will comt in course of payment the sum necessary to defray the charges during the year ending the 31st day of which wiM come in course of nayment March, 1972, in respect of ‘Other Taxes during the year ending the 31st day of and Duties’.'* March, 1972, in respect of ‘General Ad- ministration*.” D em and No. 7— 14— Stam ps. Demand No. 13—21—Administration of "That a sura not exceeding J u s tic e . Rs. 20,35,COO be granted to the Presi- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of 141 hat a sum not exceeding the State of West Bengal to complete Rs. 1,69,39,000 be granted to the Presi- the sum necessary to defray the charges dent out of the Consolidated Fund of which will come in course of payment the State of West Bengal to complete during the year ending the 31st day of the sum necessary to defray the charges March, 1972, in respect of 'Stamps’.” which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of D e m a n d N o . 8— 15— R egistration F ee s March, ,1972, in respect of ‘Administra- tion of Justice’.'* ‘That a sum not exceeding Rs. 57,07,000 be granted to the Presi- D e m a n d No.— 14—22—Ja il s . dent out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of West Bengal to complete “That a sum not exceeding the sum necessary to defray the charges Rs. 1,75,59,000 be granted to the Presi- which will come in course of payment dent out of the Consolidated Fund of during the year ending the 31st day of the State of West Bengal to complete March, 1972, in respect of ‘Registration the sum necessary to defray the charges • ■ Fees*/’ ■' which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of D e m a n d N o . 9— 16—In t e r e s t o n D e b t March, 1972, in respect o f ‘Jails'.’* a n d o t h e r O b l ig a t io n s D em and No. 15—23—P o lic e . “That a sum not exceeding Rs. 66,67,000 be granted to the Presi- “That a sum not exceeding dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Rs. 21,* 3,75,000 be granted to the Presi- the State of West Bengal to complete dent out of the Consolidated Fund of ■ th(B sum necessary to defray the charges the State of West Bengal to complete which will c<«Se in course of payment the aum necessary to defray the charges during the year ending the 31st day of , which will pome in course of payment •■■rtWmh,- ‘interest m duriogtheyearending the 31st day of K D jjfrt and $thfrObUf*#oi»\M P * w Bengal Budget, JULY 26, J97J Demands, Res., etc. 212 [Mr. Chairman] D em and No . 16—26—M iscellaneous during the year ending the 31st day of D e pa r t m e n t s —F ir e S e r v ic e s . March, 1972, in respect of ‘Medical’." “That a sum not exceeding Demand No. 21—30—P u b l i c H e a l t h . Rs. 58J 8,000 be granted to the Presi- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of ‘That a sum not exceeding the State of West Bengal to complete Rs, 8,35,60,000 be granted to the Presi- the sum necessary to defray the charges dent out of the Consolidated Fund of which will come in course of payment the State of West Bengal to complete during the year ending the 31st d^y of the sum nccessary to defray the changes March, 1972, in respect of ‘Miscellaneous which will come in course of payment Department—Fire Services*.” during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Public D e m a n d N o . 17— 26—-M iscellaneous Health'.” D e p a r t m e n t s E x c l u d in g F ir e S e r - v ic e s . D em and No. 22- 31—A griculture—Agri c u l t u r e . “That a sum not exceeding Rs. 4,48,25,000 be granted to the Presi- “That a sum not exceeding dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Rs. 10,23,99,000 bg granted to the Presi- the State of West Bengal to complete dent out of the Consolidated Fund of the sum necessary to defray the charges the State of West Bengal to complete which will come in course of payment the sum neccssary to defray the charges during the year ending the 3ist day of which will come in course o f payment March, 1972, in respect of ‘Miscellaneous during the year ending the 31st day of Departments—Excluding Fire Services’." March, 1972, in respect o f ‘Agricul- ture—Agriculture’/' D em and No . 18—27—Scientific Depart- m ents. Demand No. 22- 95—Ca pit a l O u tla y o n Schemes on A gricultural Improve- “That a sum not exceeding ment and Research. Rs, 51,000 be granted to the President “That a sum not exceeding out of the Consolidated Fund of the Rs. 1,78,04,000 be granted to the Presi- State of West Bengal to complete the dent out of the Consolidated Fund of sum necessary to defray the Charges the State of West Bengal to complete which will come in course of payment the sum necessary to defray the charges during the year ending the 31st day of «,hich will come in course of payment March, 1972, in respect of ‘Scientific during the year ending the 31st day of Departments*.” March, 1972, in respect of ‘Capital Out- lay on Schemes of Agricultural Improve- Demand No. 19—28 — Education. ment and Research’.” “ That a sum not exceeding Rs. 54,75, ‘6,000 be granted to the Presi- Demand No. 23—31—Agriculture — dent out of the Consolidated Fund of F ish e rie s . the State of West Bengal to complete “That a sum not exceeding the sum necessary to defray the charges Rs. 49,26,000 be granted to the Presi- which wit! come in course of payment dent out of the Consolidated Fund of during the year ending the 31st day of the State of West Bengal to complete March, 1972, in respect of ‘Education*/’ the sum necessary to defray the charges which will come in course of payment D em and No . 20—29—M e d ic a l. during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of Agriculture— “That a sum not exceeding Fisheries*.’* Rs. 16,30,25,000 be granted to the Presi- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Demand No. 24—33—Animal Husbandry. the State of West Bengal to complete the sum necessary to defray the charges “That a sum not exceeding tvhich will come in course of payment . Rs. l,9 8 ,3 7 ^ be gra»tod to th? Pres*- s t i K a t a n g a ) SRAVAfcA 4. 1*93 (SAKA) Demand., * « ., etc. 214 dent out of tbe Contolidated Fand of D em a n d No. 27—35—Industries— the State of West Bengal to cbmplete Cottage Industries. the sum necessary to defray the charges which will come in course of payment ‘That a sum not exceeding during the year ending the 31st day of ks. 1,80,46,000 be granted to the Presi- March, 1972, in respect of Animal Hus- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of bandry'.” the State of West Bengal to complete the sum necessary to defray the charges Demand No. 24—124— Capital Outlay which will come in course of payment on Schemes of Government T rading- during the year ending the 31st day of Greater Calcutta Milk Supply March, 1972, in respect of ‘Industries—-- Schem e. Cottage Industries’.” “That a sum not exceeding Rs. 10,92,58,000 be granted to the Presi- D em and No. 27—96—Capital Outlay on dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Industrial and Economic Develop- the State of West Bengal to complete ment—Cottage Industries. the sum necessary to defray the charges which will come in course of payment “That a sum not exceeding during the year ending the 31st day of Rs. 11,33,000 be granted to the Presi- March, 1972, in respect of ‘Capital Out- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of lay on schemcs of Government Trading— the State of West Bengal to complete Greater Calcutta Milk Supply Scheme’.” the sum necessary to defray the charges which will come in course of payment Demand No. 25—34—Co-operation. during the year ending the 31st day of “That a sum not exceeding March, 1972, in respect of ‘Capital Out- Rs. 1,03,67,000 be granted to the Presi- lay on Industrial and Economic develop- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of ment—Cottage industries’.” the State of West Bengal to complete the sum necessary to defray the charges which will come in course of payment Demand No, 28—35—Industries—Cin- during the year ending the 31st day of c h o n a . March, 1972, in respect of ‘Co-operation’.” “That a sum not exceeding Demand No. 26—35—I n d u s trie s - I n d u s - Rs. 44,55,000 be granted to the Presi- tr ie s . dent out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of West Bengal to complete the “That a sum not exceeding sum necessary to defray the charges Ks. 2,05,61,000 be granted to the Presi- which will come in course of payment dent out of the Consolidated Fund of during the year ending the 31st day of the State of West Bengal to comptete March, 1972, in respect of ‘Industries— the sum necessary to defray the charges Cinchona’." which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Industries ~ Demand No. 28—37—Community Deve- Industries’.” . lopment Projects, National Exten- sion Service and Local Development Demand No. 26—96—Capital O utlay o n W orks. Industrial and Economic Develop- ment,. ‘That a sum not exceeding “That a sum not exceeding Rs. 5,37,51,000 be granted to the Presi- k'S. 1,24,13,000 be granted to the Piesi- dent oat of the Consolidated Filnd of dent out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of West Bengal to complete the State of West Bengal to complete the sum neccssary to defray the changes the sum necessary to defray the charges which will come ia course of payment whlcft will come in course of payment during the year ending th» &st day of during the year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, in respect of ‘Commaui ty .^$farCh'* : i$f2, in respect of ‘Capital. Development Projects, NationaJ ^x- s on Industrial and Economic Deve- ■ , Easton $ervic*aii4 Local Development ■ S ;;V . . Works’.” ! ■' : v ' ."v;. SI* trat BagatSuJg*. njLY 2«, l9 tl Dmamb, f a . , etc. M i (Mr. Chairman] Demand No. 29—109—Capital Outlay which will come in course of payment on other Works—Community Develof- during the year ending the 31st day of Ment Projects, National Extension March, 1972, in respect of ‘Miscellaneous, Service and Local Development Social and Developmental Organisa- W o rk s. tions—Welfare of Scheduled Tribes and ‘That a sum not exceeding Castes and other Backward Classes'.” Rt. 5,81,000 be granted to the President out of the Consolidated Fund of the State Demand No, 32—39—Miscellaneous, of West Bengal to complete the sum ne- Social and Developmental Organi- cessary to defray the charges w hich will sations—Excluding Welfare op come in course of payment during the Scheduled Tribes and Castes and year ending the 31st day of March, 1972, other Backward Classes. in respect of ‘Capital Outlay on other “That a sum not exceeding Works-Community Development Pro- Rs, 1,27,72,000 be granted to the Presi- jects, National Extension S erv ice and dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Local Development Works’.” the State of West Bengal to complete the sum necessary to defray the charges D em and No. 29—Loans and Advances which will come in course of payment under Community Development Pro- during the year ending the 31st day of jects, N ational Extension Service and March, 1972, in respect of * Miscellaneous, Local Development Works. Social and Developmental Organisations- “ That a sum not exceeding Excluding Welfare of Scheduled Tribes Rs. 4,33,000 be granted to the President and Castes and other Backward Classes’.” out of the Consolidated Fund of the State of West Bengal to complete the D em and No . 33—42—Multipurpose River sum necessary to defray the charges Schem es. which will come in course of payment “That a sum not exceeding during the year ending the 31st day of Rs. 4,09,24,000 be granted to the Presi- March, 1972, in respect of ‘Loans and dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Advances under Community Develop- the State of West Bengal to complete ment Projects, National Extension and the sum necessary to defray the charges Local Development Works’.” which will come in course of payment during the year ending the 31st day of Demand No. 30—38—Labour and Emp- March, 1972, in respect of ‘Multipurpose juoymbnt. River Schemes’.” “That a sum not exceeding Rs. 2,91,56,000 be granted to the Presi- Demand No. 33—43—Irrigation, Navi- dent out of the Consolidated Fund of gation, Embankment and Drainage the State of West Bengal to complete W orks (Commercial). the sum necessary to defray the charges “That a sum not exceeding which will come in course of payment Rs. 81,87,000 be granted to the President during the year ending the 31st day of out of the Consolidated Fund of the March, 1972, in respect of ’Labour and State of West Bengal to complete the Employment'.” sum necessary to defray the charges which will come in course of payment D i m a n d No. 31—39—M iscellaneous , during the year ending the 31st day of So c ia l a n d D evelopmental O r g a n i- March, 1972, in respect of ‘Irrigation, s a t io n s —W e l f a r e o p Sc h e d u l e d T r ib e s Navigation, Embankment and Drainage a n d C a s t e s a n d o t h e r B a c k w a r d Work* (Commercial)'." C la s se s . “That a sum n o t exceeding Demand No, 33—44—Irrigation, Navi* R*. 1,56,90,000 be granted to thePresi- cation, Embankmfnt and Drainage dent out of the Consolidated Fund of Works (Non-Commercial), ; the State of West Bengal to complete *‘Th*t not exceeding tm tim necessary to defray the chuies 2,91,84,000 be granted to thefrres*- |25 West Bengal Appropriation SRAVANA 4. 1893 (SAKA) (No. 2) Bill, 1971 226 the State of West Bengal for the set vices of mented. Then even where it is. there are the financial year 1971-72. thousands and thousands of cases where the peasantry has been evicted. Police cases MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : have been instituted against them one year or two years ago. There is a report in the “That leave be granted to introduce Calcutta papers that there are nearly a Bill to authorise payment and appro- 300,000 cases pending. While I agree with priation of certain sums from and out of the Consolidated Fund of the State Shri Pant that the Bandii threatened by the of West Bengal for the services of the CPI (M) should be abandoned—it is to be financial year 1971-72." noted they are also trying to come in line by dining with the Prime Minister and all The motion was adopted. that ; it is a good sign—Government should also try to create a climate conducive to SHRI K. R. GANESH : I introduce t peace. If there are 300,000 cases against the the Bill, peasants, such a climitc of Deace cannot be I beg to move | : created. You do not require the CPIM to start a Bandh ; in West Bengal today, a “That the Bill to authorise payment and appropriation of certain sums from dozen persons can bring about a Bandh for and out of the Consolidated Fund of 24 hours. They just go through the streets the State of West Bengal for the services shouting 'close, close* and shops will close of the financial year 1971-72, be taken and buses will go off the streets. So in order into consideration.*’ to bring about a healthy climate, while the idea of Bandh has to be abandoned, the DR. RANEN SEN (Barasat) : I want eviction of the peasantry which ha£ assumed to say a few words. enormous proportions today, has also to stop. MR. CHAIRMAN : He has to give noticc which he has not done. SHRI SAMAR GUHA rose— MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved : MR. CHAIRMAN : No phase. ‘That the Bill to authorise payment SHRI K. R. GANESH : It has been and appropriation of certain sums from noted and steps are being taken. and out of the Consolidated f und of the State of West Bengal for the services SHRI SAMAR GUHA rose— of the financial year 1971-72. be taken into consideration.** MR. CHAIRMAN : No, no. I gave him special permission. I do not allow anything DR. RANEN SEN : It has been the else. practice here to allow a member to make a Now, the question is : few observations at this stage also. This is in our convention. The only difference is •‘That the Bill to authorise payment that 1 have not written to you. I havo been and appropriation of certain sums from here for 10 years and you have also been and out of the Consolidated Fund of Chairman for a long time. I want only five the State of West Bengal for the services minutes. of the financial year 1971-72, be taken into consideration.** MR. CHAIRMAN : Under the rules, it The motion was adopted. is not permitted. But as a special case, I allow him. MR. CHAIRMAN : The question is : DR. RANEN SEN : I would draw “That clause 2 stand part of the Bill/’ attention to only two points. A Land Refo- rms Act has been passed in West Bengal The motion was adopted. during President’s rule. But there are instan- ce* in many districts where it is not imple- Clause 2 wasadded to the Bill. t lptroduced pioved with the rccojn P* ’ 227 F(mnc* (No, 2J JULY 26, 1W i m w t ' C&nue 5. the Schedule, C&uw 1, the and wealth and; if I may so, it has been Enacting Formula ami the Title were widely acknowledged that the proposals in addedtothe- BSl. the Bill will go a long way to meet these objectives. What I propose to do through SHRI SL R. GANESH : 1 move : the amendments is to suggest a few changes for rationalising some of the provisions of “That the BUI be passed,” the Bill, in certain other cases, to make them more effective in achieving the objec- MR CHAIRMAN : The question is ; tives underlying them. "That the Bill be passed/’ In the field of direct taxes, the Bill The motion wot adopted. contains proposals for imposing a ceiling on the remuneration of employees which would be deductible in computing the taxable in- HM2 hn. come of a company or any other taxpayer. The maximum amount that wilt be deducts FINANCE CNO. 2) BILL, 1971 ble in respect of any one employee will be limited to Rs. 5,000 for each month or part THE MINISTER OF FINANCE (SHRI thereof comprised in the period of employ- YESHWANTRAO CHAVAM) : I beg to ment of the employee in India during the move* : relevant account year. The expenditure ‘That the Bill to give effect to the incurred in providing; any requisites etc. to financial proposals of the Centra! an employee will also be restricted to 20% Government for the financial year 1971- of the salary of the employee or Rs. J.000 72 and to provide for the levy of per month, whichever is higher In regard foreign travel tax, be taken intcrconsi- to directors or persons who are substantially deration.” interested in the company or their relatives, The important features of the proposals there will be a similar ceiling of Rs. 72,000 in the Bill were outlined by me in my for the year. In the case of employees, Budget speech and the details of the specific certain items of expenditure, such as, contri- provisions in the Bill have also been spelt butions to recognised provident funds, home out in the Explanatory Memorandum cir- leave travel conccssion, etc. will not, how- culated to Hon’ble Members along with the ever, be taken into account for purposes of budget papers. I do not, therefore, pro- applying the aforesaid ceiling limit. I pose to take the time of the House in going now propose to make an amendment in the over the entire ground again, and shall relevant provision in order to place director- confine myself merely to explaining the employees on a par with other employees principal changes that I propose to intro- in this regard. I also propose to clarify duce in the provisions of the Bill. The that where the expenditure on account of valuable suggestions that I have received remuneration, benefits or amenities provided both from Hon’ble Members and others to a director does not relate to a full year, have been of considerable assistance to me the deduction for such expenditure will be in formulating these amendments and I reduced proportionately, and further that in would like to take this opportunity of a case where a person is a director of the expressing my gratitude to those who have company for a part of the account year and provided comments on the proposals. 1 an employee for another part of the year, have also met the representatives of various the deductible amount of expenditure in- Associations I have also had the benefit curred by the company in providing of consultations with my colleagues in the remuneration, benefits or requisites to such Cabinet. a person wiff be limited to Rs. 72,000, The mam objectives of the BSH are to The Bill proposes to limit the deduction simplify and rationalise the taxation laws upto Rs. 3,000 presently available io all and to reduce opportunities for evasion of categories of tax-payers in respect of income taxes, as also to bring about a scaling down from investments in specified categories of of the concentration of economic power financial assets, such as, Government securi- and reduction in the inequalities of income ties, company shares, bank deposits, etc., to i » f'tmacr (No. 2) SRAVANA 4 , iS93 (SAKA) &U.J971 2*) individuals ami Hindu undivided families at the present stage of our development, ** only. Having regard to the special position is no longer necessary to continue this con' of married couples governed by the system cession. Development rebate has been of community of property in force in the criticised by several -persons as leading to Union Territories of Dadra and Nagar wasteful use of scarce capital resources And Havel i and Goa, Daman and Diu, I propose has, to some extent, led to a concentration to extend the benefit of this deduction to of economic activity in the hands Of existing such married couples as well. firms. I am not, however, suggesting that There has been some criticism of the there may not be need for better conceived tax incentives encouraging industries in proposal in the Bill to include in the net for certain selected sectors or those in backward wealth for purposes of taxation the first We propose to study this problem Rs. 1 lakh of wealth in the case of indivi- areas. in depth and I shall be grateful for any dual assessees and the first Rs. 2 lakhs in the case of Hindu undivided families, where suggestions that the Hon’ble Members may like to make in this behalf. the net wealth exceeds the aforesaid limits. In particular, it has been urged that this I now turn to the proposals in the Sill provision will operate harshly in cases of regarding indirect taxation. I have already middle class people where the only income dealt with t he proposals relating to Customs derived by a taxpayer is from house pro- and Central Excise in my Budget speech perty let out to others. Under an existing and in my reply to the general discussion provision in the Wcalth-tax Act, one house on the Budget. Some of the budget levies or a part of a house belonging to a tax- notably those relating to maida and coarse payer and exclusively used by him for his doth, woe withdrawn at the stage Of the own residence is exempt from wealth-tax general discussion. While the other pro- up to a value of Rs. 1 lakh. I propose to posals do not call for any material change, provide that this exemption will also be some notifications are necessary and desir- available in respect of let-out house pro- able in order to removeanom&lies or hard- perly in the same manner and to the same ship and inconvenience particularly to small extent as the existing exemption in respect producers. And I now propose to indicate of self-occupied house property. some of the modifications regarding Customs In ray Budget speech, I had announced and Excise Duties my intention to discontinue development I shall first deal with Customs duties, rebate in respect of ships acquired or machi- in view of the high margin of profit on nery and plant installed after May 31, 1974. imported staple fibre, I had proposed as We have already issued the notification part of the budget a duty of 100 per cent giving effect to this proposal. It has been ad valorem. While the duty on non-oelln- represented that the withdrawal Of develop- losic staple fibre wiil remain at this level, I ment rebate after the three-year notice propose to reduce this duty to 30 per cent period would result in retarding decisions ad valorem in the case of celtalosic staple for establishing new units or expansion and fibre tfhich is a cheaper variety of staple modernisation of the existing units. In fibre being imported to meet the cotton this connection, it has been mentioned that shortage in the country. A notification the various licensing and regulatory proce- giving effect to this change in duty is being dures take a considerable amount of time issued. before a licence can fructify and, as such, the new projects wilt have to be largely On the basis of the revised structure of planned on the basis that the development import duties, a rate of 100% was prescri- rebate will not be admissible in their cases. bed for all dry fruits. Consequential amen- We are contemplating certain steps to dments have now been made in the tariff expedite the work relating to licensing and values fixed for assessment of these dry other regulatory procedures. This, I hope, fruits and a notification is being issued will result in expediting the decisions by giyiqg effect to the revised tariff values. The various agencies concerned with licensing revised tariff values being generally lower and other matters. Although the develop- than those in force hitherto, the burden «f ment rebate has rerved a very useful purpose duty will be correspondingly less. In order in attracting investments io industry during to remove the disparities in the incidence of tb 17 years of its operation, 1 fed that duties caused by different modes of assess- JSl : r ■ ' ■ ’ 111 [Shri Yeahvantrao Chavan] tneht, the system of assessment on the 'bails the manufacturers of gases who apprehend of tariff values which was hitherto applica- considerable difficulties in the matter of We to goods of Afghanistan origin only, declaration of assessable values, it is pro- has now been extended to all dry fruits. posed to fix tariff values in respect of okygen, chlorine and ammonia gases, Coming next tb Central Excise duties, X : propose, in line with the concessions I also propose to restore the pre-Budget ' already announced at the time of the intro- rate of 10 per cent, advalorem in respect of duction of the Finance Bill in favour of electrical porcelain insulators as a measure small units, to exempt wholly from excise of reducing the cost burden on rural elec- duty the production of compounded lubri- trification programme. eating oils and greases, by units which do In respect of cinematograph projectors, not use power. I propose to fix tariff values for 35 mm and There have been a large number of 70 mm projectors to eliminate certain admi- representations from the manufacturers of nistrative difficulties. Further, as I would not rubber products and vegetable non-essential like the cause of education, family planning, oils using solvent extraction process against agriculture and public health programmes to the increased duty on ccrtain special boiling suffer owing to the new levy on cinemato- point spirits on the ground that it would graph projectors, I propose to exempt 16mm. result in higher cost of production and projectors used for these purposes wholly - price rise on a number of products. I have from the central excise levy subject to cer- carefully considered these representations tain ch«!cks and procedural safeguards. and have decided to reduce, subject to cer- In the wake of the withdrawal of exe- . tain procedural safeguards, the effective rate mption on agricultural tractors, some points of duty from Rs. 845 to Rs. 425 per Kilo- of doubt had been raised whether power- litre (nearly half of the present level) on tillers would also attract central excise duty. special boiling point spirits with the nomi- This point has been carefully considered and nal boiling point ranges of 55 to 115°C and it has been clarified that for purpose of 63 to 70°C which are used in the. manufac- levy of central excise duty, power-tillcrs ture of rubber products and solvent extrac- cannot be classified as agricultural tractors tion of oils, respectively. and therefore the levy imposed on the latter is not chargeable on the former. Customs Keeping in view the concession already duty will, however, be charged on imported extended in respect of certain specified power-tillers. motor vehicle parts intended to be used as original equipment parts of motor vehicles, The Hon’ble Members will recall that 1 propose to extend a similar concession to in my Budget speech I had made a mention such parts going into the manufacture of of rationalisation of the concessions availa- assembled components like brake assemblies ble to independent processors of cotton etc. or automobile engines, provided that fabrics. By this measure, the hand process- these assembled components or engines are ing units which were hitherto enjoying com- used as original equipment parts in the plete exemption from processing duty, were : manufacture of motor vehicles. subjected to a certain amount of duty on the processing done by them. It has been I also propose to extend the concession represented by this sector of the industry already announced to the small roanufac- that the rates proposed are too heavy for turers in respect of certain specified motor them and that it will also be difficult, parti- vehicle parts, to the manufacturers, of elec- cularly for the smailar units, to follow the tric horns. normal procedure for paying excise duty. fn order that the levy of duty on oxygen I have carefully considered these repreaenta- gas doesuot adversely aflfeet the steel and tions X am making a substantial reduction fertiliser industry, I propose to exempt kt the rate* of duty which were proposed oxygen gas wholly from paymeat of central for them. To obviate the procedural forma- excise duty if it Is used in the manufacture lities and checks, an optional compounded of steel and fertiliser*. ; levy scheme is also being notified under which the effective rates will be somewhat further,in**etnand« from toss than even the reduced standard rates. '' Finance (No, 2) §RAVAfcA 4 , 1893 (SA kj) Bill, 101 Hon’ble Members may recall that I had duty leviable on the costlier proposed a levy on certain ready-made varieties The loss of revenue garments and in order to protect, the small by this exemption will be about Rs. 7 lakhs manufacturers the levy was intended to per annum. I hope this exemption will help be confined only to such articles which are to revive this industry and also give a fillip manufactured with the aid of power and to the export of quality cigars and cheroots, sold under a registered trade mark or brand A number of letters have been received, name. However, subsequent to this, some including from some Hon’ble Members, of the leading manufacturers of ready-made about the Foreign Travel Tax. in view of garments have, with a view, to avoid pay- the novelty of the tax in this country and ment of central excise duty, de-regis'ered the many representations received, I propose their brand name*. In order to ensure that to revise the rate of the tax and now intend the big manufacturers of ready-made gar- to make a beginning with a 15% rate of ments do not get away in this manner, I tax for the Standard first class and only have made certain modifications in the 10% rate for the Economy or Tourist existing definition. Simultaneously, however, class. I am providing for adequate relief to the smaller manufacturers by increasing the I have to taken into account various exemption limit of clearances for ready- representations made that relief should be made garments to Rs 5 lakhs per annum. given for certain classes or passengers. This concession will not, however, be avail- Hon’ble Members will recall that even at able to those manufacturers whose annual the time of proposing the tax I had annou- clearances exceed the limit of Rs. 5 lakhs nced exemption from tax in the case of in a financial year. students and scientists. It was also clarified in the Memorandum circulated to the The maximum number of representa- Members at the time that in so far as tions have been received in respect of the students are concerned, the exemption levy on bolts and nuts and screws. These would apply to all of them who go abroad reparesentations deal mainly with either tbe for studies or technical courses whether scope of the tariff item or the difficulties foreign exchange is released for them by the experienced by the smaller producers. After Reserve Bank or they do not ask for foreign careful consideration of these representations, exchange but are otherwise eligible for it tbe precise scope of the tariff items is being I should like to amplify this by saying that clarified to include only such bolts, nuts this exempt ion would apply only td those and screws which are exclusively fasteners who travel by Economy class, as Hon’ble and have no functional utility otherwise. Members would appreciate that those who The difficulties of the smaller producers travel by First Ciass are certainly in a posi- have also been looked into and after consi- tion to pay for that luxury and can there* dering the vorious possibilities to allevaite fore afford to pay the tax also. As for scien- them, 1 have decided to exempt bolts, nuts tists, I would like to clarify that the inten- and screws produced by a manufacturer tion is to exempt them from the tax provi- whose total value of clearances does not ded they are sponsored by Universities and exceed Rs. 5 lakhs in a financial year, as such other institutions engaged in scientific in the case of ready-made garments. This research as may be approved by the Govern- exemptipn, I hope, should meet adequately ment of India in this behalf and the purpose the demand of the smaller units. of the travel is for participation in an appr- Apart from the reliefs and concessions oved international conference, seminar, etc. I have mentioned above which all relate to Here too, naturally, the concession would the proposals made in the Budget, I would apply only to travel by Economy cl ass. I alsp like to take this opportunity of annou- also propose to exempt deck passengers ncing another relief, by way of total exem- travelling by sea for approved pilgrimage* ption from excise duty on cigars and like the Haj. Employees of airlines and cheroots. This industry which is mainly in shipping companies have represented that the cottage sector, and highly labour inten- as a part of their service conditions they are sive, has been languishing over the years, allowed to travel free abroad once in a fragmenting itself and confining itself more while. The airlines companies also give free and more to the manufacture of infarior tickets on other occasions, such as inaugu- variety of cigars and cheroots as they are ral flights, I propose iq exempt such free not able to bear the incidence of excise tickeis only as are given to employees 235 mumae (No. j) j u l v m , m i M , I9fl .£&■ {Shri Yeshvantrao Chavaa] as part to their service Scheme will form part of the Small Savings cotndftions or for inaugural flights but Scheme for the purpose of determining loans here too, the concession will be confined to admissible to State Governments in respect travel in the Economy class only. of the Small Savings collections. I am As the rules and procedural arrange- confident tint the State Governments will meats have to be finalised before this levy now take keen interest in stepping up the can «mne into operation, a certain time is collections under the Schema. needed for this purpose after the Bi*l is passed. My intention is to bring the tax into 17.00 hrs. effect from the 15th October, 1971. The loss in revenue as a result of the MR. CHAIRMAN : Motion moved : modifications now proposed in the travel “That the Bill to give effect to tbe tax are very roughly estimated to be about financial proposals of the Central Rs. 3 to 4 crores for this year. Taking all Government for the financial year the concession* made since the introduction 1971-72 and to provide for the levy of Of the Budget, 'including those in respect of foreign travel tax, be taken into con- Maida and coarse doth, the net effect this sideration/* year will be a loss in revenue of about Rs 15 crores. I hope Hon'ble Member would 15 hours have been allotted for all the at least agree that if 1 had to cast the net stages of the Bill. If the House agrees, we will have 9 hours for the general discussion, wide in augmenting budgetary resources this year, I have been equally responsive to 5 hours for clauses and 1 hour for the suggestions for modifications and reductions third reading. I take it that the House to remove undue hardship and give relief agrees to this. to the smaller manufacturers. SHRI JAGADISH BHATTACHARYYA Finally, I might refer to a matter not (Ghatal) : Sir, the Finance Bill, being an connected with the Finance Bill but which indispensable part of the budget, should be has a bearing on mobilisation of resources considered in the light of what is contained through the voluntary savings of the people. in the budget that was presented earlier. Hon'ble Members will be glad to know that But the budget presented before us had the net collections under small savings were only taxes, more taxes and yet more taxes about Rs. 197 crores last year, that is to and so on and so forth. This has been say, about Rs. 70 crores more than the going on for the la9t 24 years since indepen- collections in the preceding year. In view dence of the urgent need to step up these collec- tions still further so as to counteract the Our Finance Minister wants to usher inflationary trends in the economy and to in socialism, of course socialism of his own find the much needed resources for develop* brand. whoever heard of socialism by ment, it has been decided that the limits of taxation, the lion*s share of which is borne deposits in the 7-year National Savings by the common people. What sort of Certificates (II and III Issues), taken to- mess has this government landed this coun- gether, should be enhanced from Rs. 25,000 try into ? to Rs. 50,000 for individual holdings and Immediately after independence we from Rs. 50,000 to Rs. 1,00,000 for joint found that the postal department and rail- holdings, with effect from 1st August, 1971. ways were yielding large profits. Now these It has also been decided that 5-Year Fixed concerns, which were once at it were Kama* Deposits receivable at the Post Offices an l denu, the Cow which gives milk constantly, Branches of the State Bank of India and now they are running at a loss. All the Its subsidiaries will not be received after public enterprises are incurring losses, and the close of business on the 31st July, these losses are mounting year after year. 1971. = This government has brought this country To enlist the co-operation of the State on the brink of ruin, ft is rushing head- Governments in increasing the collections long to destruction and pethaps there is under the Public Provident Fund Scheme, no possibility of its survival, unless the it has been decided that with effect from the present policy of the government is thorou- current year, the Public Provident Fund ghly changed. ?37 Finance {No. 2) SRAVANA 4, i m (SAJZ4) JWf, }97l 238 It is a common saying now that India remains to be done for them and now the is a problem-ridden country. But who rehabilitation of these additional seven created these problems ? Alt these pro- millions or bow many millions they might blem* are the creation of the present govern- be, is anybody’s guess, will give rise to so meat and its predecessors who belong to the many complications that will one day turn same party. to be a great socio-poiitical problem and The biggest problem now facing this then even a Hercules will not be able to country is that of refugees who have crossed clean the Augean stables. over to India from Bangla Desh because of Yahya Khan has succeeded in killing the inhuman atrocities and genocide per- two birds with one stone. He has almost petrated there by the military regime of succeeded in destroying all kinds of demo- Yahya Khan. cratic movements of Bangla Desh and he is going to destroy Indian economy and our Here also this Government has become Government is only a silient spectator to a prisoner of indecision. They could not act promptly when the whole country was this, waiting for the so-called opportune moment to act. behind them on this issue. They only solution lay in the immediate recognition What a miserable plight ? of the provisional Government of Bangla Desh and in giving all kinds of material 17.10 hrs. help to the freedom fighters there. We are at a loss to understand what stood in the [ S h ri K. N. T iw a ry in the Chair] way of this Government to do this. Do you think that if you go down on your knees I think, it is not possible to discuss all and plead for taking these refugees back the problems facing the country in detail that blood thirsty Yahya Khan will do it. just in a single speech. We cannot but put Now, the problem has assumed a gigantic all the emphasis at our command on the magnitude and it has become next to im- problem of education and unemployment possible to copc with. Already seven that is eating into the very vitals of the millions have come over to this side. No- nation. There has been a persistent cry body knows how many are on the way. If since the day of independence that our edu- you spend only one rupee per meal per cation should be production-cum-employ- head per day the annual expenditure will ment oriented. But who cares for that ? come up to the tune of Rs. 500 to Rs. 600 Nothing tangible has been done in this res- crores only to feed them let alone the pect till this day. question of housing them, clothing them Education up to the age of 14 ought to giviiig them medical help or providing have been free and compulsory within ten sanitation And now the indication is that years of the introduction of our Consti- these refugees are going to stay -. tution, but those ten years have all rolled by and another ten years are also going to *ft jw w t o (^tr): worer be over. But has that objective been achiev* t o m«R«rr t o ft, w if cd or will it be achieved by this Govern- ment in the next ten years ? The answer is nisrsfn $ i an emphatic *No\ MR. CHAIRMAN : The bell is beta* The mischief is already done and it is rung...Now there is quorum. going out cf control. You talk of only West Bengal but it is showing its ugly head everywhere in the country. The entire 17.07 hrs. youth community is suffering from severe frustration. [Shri N. K. p. Salve in the Chair] Exploitation is going on unchecked and SHRI JAOADISH BHATTACHARYYA: those who are in the Government are only and in that case ultimately they wiM re- alter the loaves and fishes of office and quire full rehabilitation and we know the perhaps busy decorating their houses by refugees who have come earlier became of spending lots of public money. Anywhere the partition of India and its after math you turn your eyes and you wiilfind mfe- ^ pot yet been ftiiiy ryha|>ili^te^ tywft (aw***##*, R*up>», fptrupttpn iM 239 Ftmmce iNo. i ) JULY 26, 1971 Biff, JM 240 {Shri Jaiiteh Bhattacharyya] parochial party Interests on the part of these criticisms were really justified or whe- this Government which have made this ther they were utterly one-sided or whether country a paradise for the privileged classes they were utterly exaggerated or whether who are exploiting this situation and are they were fhunted and hurled on the adding to their bank balances and black Finance Minister entirely to cater to some money. vested interests, the capitalists or the mono* By pursuing this policy this Government polists or certain political parties. is digging not only its own grave but also the Sir, an able and strict Finance Minister grave of the entire nation. There is no is in the same position as that of a husband escape unless the people become ftilty cons- who is strict and disciplinarian and, like a cious of this and rise to the occasion and strict husband who has to face criticism change the track along which this Govern- from his nagging wife, a Finance Minister ment is now dragging this country. also has to be prepared to face criticism It is in this perspective that we have which is sometimes in quality and standard been called upon to pass this Finance Bill. the same as that of a nagging wife. The In view of what I have already said and difficulty is that our Finance Minister is not the mouting failures of this Government to used to a nagging wife . . give the country a real start in the right direction, there is no question of my sup- AN HON. MEMBER : But you appr- porting the Bill, rather I request this House ently are. to oppose this and to have no hesitation in its outright rejection. SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Unlike many of his colleagues, he is not used to a nagg- ing wife. SH RIN It. P. SALVE (Betul) : Mr. Chairman, we are discussing the Financc What is the truth in the entire criticism Bill this year under the Shadow of a very hurled against the Financc Minister ? In grave and calamitous situation created on the crux of the criticism has been in account of events in Bangla Desh. Be- that the proposals of drastic with- cause of the urgency and the magnitude of draw^ and abridgement of various incen- the problems created on account of Bangla tives, concessions and exemptions in the Desh, the discussion on the Finance Bill incom-tax law, and the increase in the sur- and the importance relating to various pro- tax and the income-tax rates and the wealth posals vvhich will figure in the discussion are tax rates has raised the whole burden of likely to some extent to be minimised or direct taxation to such a height that it is attenuated, but the importance of the dis- going to impede the growth rate. A picture cussion of the Finance BUI can never be has been painted by these critics that ecftipsed, because the entire gamut of the economic activity will come to such a Government’s fiscal policy and measures is pass, if the Finance Bill proposals on direct now before the House for its * scrutiny and taxes are implemented, that it will approval. That is one reason why the overt un the applecart of the industrial Finance Bill always has an extremely impor- grouth which seems to be gathering tant place in the parliamentary calendar, of momentum in the preceding few years. the Budget Session- We have hardly been able to reach This year’s Finance Bill has came in for 5 per cent growth in the industrial sector and, it is said, that even this rate of growth a very severe criticism. During the debate is likely to be adversely affected. when we were discussing the Budget, there was a very severe indictment of the Finance Let me analyse some of these criticisms. Minister even outside the House. The I shall take first the corporate sector. In the Finance Bill has been under very severe fire. corporate sector, there is no change so far In fact, it is going to be my endeavour as the income-tax rates are concerned, The today to objectively analyse some of these only change is in relation to the taxation of criticisms specially relating to direct taxa- sur-tax on companies. The sur-tax rates tion and to lay before the House objectively have been enchanced and raised on compa- aiiu& dispassionately; the JmplicttofW of nies and would be, instead of various jprojKwa^ * 241 Firumcr (No. 2) SRAVANA 4i A * ( S m f) B ill 1911 242 chargeable profits, after the statutory deduo more fallacious than this* If we just look tions, aw irt excess of :I5 per befit and the at the advanced countries where a company statutory deductions happen to be Rs. 2 management techniques have reached the lakhs or 10 per cent of the capital highest point of.excellence because of their base. ruthless efficiency, they have rates of profit- ability which is one-third or one-fourth of The other change in the rate of taxation companies in India which have fourth or the so far as the corporate sector is concerned fifth rate management. The,high profitable is only in respect of capital gain. The lUy of Indian companies is rarely because of capital gains tax has been increased to better efficiency. It is primarily becajse of 45 per cent on lands and buildings as against their capability to be good speculators, 40 per cent and to 35 per cent on capital good manipulate-';. g3,» J profiteers and good gains other than lands and buildings. Sur- racketeers. JPerennialy, they exploit the tax has been the subject matter of very consumers* and perennially t hey exploit the bitter criticism and the Finance Minister misfortune of the consumer* and that is has been very severely censured for that. why there is high profitability. Sur-tax, it is to be understood, is, in fact, a levy, on high profitability. Sur-tax, though is a levy, in the nature of a tax or Therefore, does anvo.-ie challenge the income, it is, in fact, a tax on high profita- principle or rationale of the leavy. About bility of companies who earn high profits the increase, if at all there should have been on capital. If one were to examine in any criticism, the criticism should have been terms of percentage this increase, one that the increase of surtax on the corporate would (ind that the burden of criticism is sector has been too niggardly and too far in excess of the burden of increased meagre and it should have been m ore strin- taxation itself. It will be found that as a gent ? If one were to see the overall impa6t result of increased taxation, there is to be of increased taxation on the corporate sector no sur-tax if the company has a protit upto vJiich has been the most vociferous and 22.2 per ccnt of the capital employed. It is a most vocal, what those one find ? The reasonable profit rate and there is absolutely other day I happened to be present at a no burden whatsoever of sur-tax. And then symposium, and I found that the people if such an industry happens to have a from tbe corporate sector and representing priority status, then upto 23% of capital it the corporate sector criticised the Finance has no burden of sur-tax and the increased Minister and my party saying ‘What do they rate of surtax would come into play only understand anything of finance ? This year’s when it reaches 33.3% target. Where a tax proposals as envisaged in the Finance company makes a profit in excess of &ill have made a dent in the corporate 33.3% of its capital then alone will the sector out of which it will never be able to increased rate of surtax come into picture recover”* as though heavens have fallen on and the maximum impact of the increased the corporate sector as a result of the rate of surtax on profits of a non-priority proposals in the Finance Bill. If one were to business of a wideiy*held domestic company analyse the increase, one finds that oat of where the profitability is 100% of the capital Rs. 411 crores, the total recovery by way of will be 68.5% as against 66.25% including corporate taxation, the increase is a lamentable Income tax and surtax. Therefore, if a com- Rs. 1 6 crores, which is less than 4 per cent. pany were to make a profit of 100% of its For (his negligible increase, a furore has been capital, the increase would only be 2;25% in created which, to say the least, is out of all the aggregate and this increase has been the proportion. One has only to study the subject matter of criticism so widely and so trends of taxation on the corporate sector vehemently that a picture & painted of our during the preceding few years, and one will Finance Minister as enemy No 1 of the be left simply aghast at the tremendous dia- corporate sector. The surtax is criticised be- parity, the hiatus between the rates of taxa- cause it is said and I heard it in Bombay— tion as they appear in the schedule ind the that the increased surtax m fact a punitive effective rates as they emerge on the true com- tax on the efficient management of a 'Com- mercial p ro ^ . , pihe h^i only to sec the ac- pany. argument proe«*ds on the assu- tual taxation on the commercial profits, ‘-to mptionthat the high profitability arises out . hsas rife * ; management. Sfr.n nomisi .... 1 " ' ™ " [Shri N. IL P.Salve] companies in different spheres of work, and SHRI D. D. DESAI : But may I point the results are so challenging. I should like out... ■ . . '■■■...... to point them out to Shri PtlooMody. Let Mm kindly listen to these fo&s antfunder- SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : I do not stand them, because he will learn something want to argue with him now. If he wants about the exact rate of taxation on the to learn, let him come to my office and 1 commercial profits This happens to be a shall teach him. But this is the study made study of ten companies. I have not done by an eminent economist. It. Nor has the Finance Minister done it. This is from the Economic Times. The author SHRI PILOO MODY (Godhra) : The studied the working of these companies difference is that he talks only about taxes during the last ten years ; these companies but my hon. friend to my right pays them. are escorts. TELCO, Tube Investment, That is the only difference. Phillips, Dunlop, Great Eastern Shipping, Hindustan Aluminium, Gwoliar Rayons, AN. HON. MEMBER : Therefore, he Tata Chemicals, Chemicals and Fibres. wants to teach him. SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : Shri Plloo Among these, the highest tax has been Mody will do well to remember that there paid by Phillips. The pre-tax profits were are others unlike him.. • Rs. 27.38 crores; tax paid was Rs. 17.22 crores, which ii about 62 per cent. In the SHRI D. D. DESAI : Out of 15 pro- case of the Shipping company it paid a tax .posals of taxation, 12 are on the corporate of Rs. 30,000 on a total profit of Rs. 20 sector-.. crores. SHRI N. K. P. SALVE : I seek your protection. Sir, because I have quite a few The total pre-tax profits aggregated to things to say. Rjg. 230.51 crores. Hie tax actually worked out to Rs 85.86 crores, which is 37 per Cent MR. CHAIRMAN : The hon. Mem- tax for ten yean on these public companies. ber may please continue his speech to- This is the picture of a cross-section ; this morrow. is the picture ofthe corporate sector which tay» all over the world at the lop of its voice that the tax burden in India is so high on the corporate sector ami so unimagtoa- tiye And so harsh and so devoid of the 17.30 hrs. realities that they are crushed and they can never come up and this stultifies growth HALF-AN-HOUR DISCUSSION RE: and it chokes growth. But the effective IMPORT OF ALUMINIUM cate on real profits is only 37 per cent. THROUGH MMTC SHRI D. D. DESAI (Kaira) : The pre- SHRI D. D. DESAI (Kaira): The sent discussion is relating to aluminium corporate tax is more than 50 per cent. required fort be electrical industry. Alu- My hon. friend is a chartered accountant minium is indigenously produced and there And he should know it. is presently statutory control over it. It is considered an essential commodity and even SHRI N. K. K SALVE : I am grate-, the products made out of it like aluminium fttl to him for thto interruption, because conductors and cables are covered under that only shows she did not understandwhat essential commodities. I have said. There is such a hiatus and So far as indigenous aluminium is con- there is such a disparity between tf># sates ceroed, it has been priced after the Wanchoo ...prescribed', h» the. schedule and tte ratos Committee Report- .at' Rs. 5,150' and. the . ..-'-'which' ultimately' work, out as a iy n # ^ 1 . final cost - when delivered a t' tbe works of - the various Incentives, . the actual us»n works out to Rs. 5^450. ti9ns, notionttI ftllowanoes... 'v- As against this, the Import of elumtefcm-r $45 Import o f SRAVANA 4, 1893 (SAJKA) Aluminium (C.A.) :$46 because of a slight short-fall in the indige- the world. There is a wide gap between nous production—has been about 24,000 the landed price and the price charged from tonnes and out of these, 12,000 tonnes were the industry. The intention of channelising Imported through MMTC. The import the Imports through the public sector or cost to private parties, actual users, has been public agencies could be only two : one is to around 24 cents CIF ffom U.S.A. This take away the profit which somebody else was from AID USA tied loan, freight con- would have made, and another is to en- ditions of AID 60/40. The price is a single sure a better service to the consumer. country purchase price inclusive of the rate Neither of these two things are appearing in one is required to pay to the intermediary this deal. The profit margin which is taken as indenting commission. over is going to the MMTC for making up Against this, the bulk purchase of 12,000 the trading losses they have made in some tonnes MMTC has arranged works out to other avenues. In other words, it would 23.29 cents CIF from Japan. The freight be feeding the inefficiency at the end of the between Japan and India has been lower. MMTC. This has been purchased by a global tender. It is said that the MMTC had imported I have a comparative statement here with some aluminium for the small scale sector shows that there have been 18 participants. and they did not lift It. Knowledgeably, I The Minister mentioned the other day that can safely say that if the MMTC had tender- the price could not be disclosed but the ed the material upon arrival, the small scale fact is that the prices were read out in the sector would have gripped the material with hall in the open when the global tenders both the arms. There must have been a were opened. Therefore, this was not a procedural delay and they must have made secret matter but an open matter and could certain impossible demands. These must be easily have been disclosed to us. Be that something more than what is stated. as it may. Then there is another item. The DOTD Now the price charged is of the order has exercised pressure on Indian Electrical of Rs. 7,057 delivered at the customers' Manufacturers' Association and the Con- works which makes a difference of Rs. 1,600 ductors Manufacturers’ Association to the per metric tonne with Rs. 5,450 for indige- effect that if they did not lift the alumini- nous. The indenting commission rate in um at these high prices which are demand- the trade has been of the order of £ ed by the MMTC, then DGTD will suspend per cent and at most one to two per cent. the issue of any new additional Import Government itself has seen to it that all licence or allocation. Ia other words* there these 18 tenderes quoted more or less on is a certain amount of extortion which is this basis. excercised for entering in these transactions. The Government is channelising Imports The cable conductor industry is known to of non-ferrous metals which form raw have suffered for nearly four years of re- materials an important sector of our eco- cession, and therefore, it has already built nomy, particularly the electrical and core up huge debit balances. Some of the com- sector industries. Therefore, I request that panies have almost wiped out their capital some sort of arrangement be made or pro- and therefore they are in no position today cedure evolved by which a certain indent- to add additional debits to their already ing commission is fixed and deliveries are overloaded debits in their balance-sheets. effected at the high seas so that the excess of 3 per cent one is required to pay for Therefore, the question today is that the sale tax and further other charges is the Government should reconsider the price ; they should consider the fixing of eliminated. some sort of norm or procedure and some The position is like this. The present sort of system by which the margin is fixed price of aluminium demanded by MMTC or indenting commission is changed, andin is higher than the ruling price in India, any case, they should be reasonable and on ruling price in the world and the actual par wish those in trade, paii^culfrly when import landed cost price permitted by krge icale imports are ' permitted to be ' Government by issue of direct AU licences. made by the MMTC, and when th ^ pur- In other words, tfe» price; demanded by the MMTC does not appear to bear any o ^ n io^er priocs and relation to the prices existing any wherein terms, and generally suitable i f f Import o f JULY 26, 101 Aluminium (C 4.) 248 [Shri D. O, DcsaiJ to avoid fraud in foreign exchange or trans- interested in seeing that the Electrical In- mission of foreign exchange to other coun- dustry which is so mud) responsible for tire tries. But the very same thing should not growth of the country’s economy should not be permitted to be done in the MMTC be handicapped by over pricing of the raw itself, because what we are afraid of in the materials because non-ferrous metals like private sector would also be the one which zinc, lead, copper and aluminium are largely we should be afraid of in the puMic used in the Electrical Industry and they sector ! are being canalised through the MMTC. Then, there has been an inordinate What is applicable to aluminium would delay in the release of aluminium at the also be applicable to copper, zinc etc. and appropriate price. The prices charged therefore we are vitally concerned with the should equal to which are ruling either overall cost factor of electric power which in this country or in the international is delivered to the consumer. Ultimately world are in conformity with the actual cost the cost of local indigenous products should plus indenting Commission of the import. not suffer and inflationary pressures built There should be some bearing, because the in the cost structure should be elimi- ultimate supply of this goes to the Electri- nated. city Boards which are again in the public With these words I request the hon. sector. The finances of the Electricity Boards Minister to exercise his fullest authority are limited plan allocations, and they could and see that justice is done to the Industry. carry on the work of transmission and dis- It is not the Industry alone. It is the tribution of electric po (Shri t , 14, taxes* excise duty, etc. This is m all the margin between the imported a /• /• profit. price and the sales price to the actual The hon. Member said, there s h o u k J b « Users ? That comes to between 15 and 20 tome co cession if sale Is materialised on percent Is it a fact ? the high seas. We do give certain facilities for the exporters like passing of documents SHRI L. N. MISHRA : This does not on High Seas Basis, avoiding the dement come to that. I have given the figures of safes tax which works out to 3 to 10 per earlier. The price at which MMTC gets it cent depending on the State. MMTC is Rs. 4,000 and the price at which it is sup- charges much reduced service charges for plied to the consumers is Rs. 6,700 and odd registered exporters, which in some cases which is inclusive of all taxes, service may work out to about 1 per cent only. charges of one per cent etc. Therefore, you Registered exporters are also entitled to cannot say that MMTC is making a profit draw back in duty which makes aluminium of 20 or 25 per cent. My feeling is that available to them at prices far below the perhaps the international price of alumi- domestic price. These are the facilities we nium is something like 28 or 29 cents per give to the expoftcrs. pound and our price is also in the neigh- The hon* Member said that we should bourhood, at times lower also. But the reduce the price at which ? luminlum is question is at what price do we sell to the made available to consumers or manufac- individual consumer. As I have stated, we turers. It is not possible at this stage to sell at the price inclusive of all taxes of commit myself. But it will be my endea- Rs. 6,700 and odd per tonne, vour to see that small-scale industries are helped. The disparity between the imported SHRI D. D. DESAI : T h e cost price of price of aluminium compared to the price aluminium works out to more than the of indigenous ahmrinium can sometimes price of finished product as determined by lead to discrimination against some users the excise department for the charging of tax. There is already a tariff price for who may be in the small scale sector. 1 propose to have this position . reviewed with conductors and cables by the Electrical a view to eliminating the discrimination Manufacturers Association. That tariff which may arise. But so far as the price pricc is the ruling price of finished goods, part is concerned, as I said earlier, it is a ruling sale price, whereas the price at which matter of policy. We would like the you are supplying the raw material works out to 10 to 15 per cent higher than MMTC to go on as it has been going on. Of course, it must increase its efficiency and the selling price of the finished goods as speed, so that people have not to pay for determined by the excise department after its inefficiency. But if be wants that it su rv e y that these are the ruling prices. should not make profit and it Should make available imported material or indigenous SHRI I. N. MISHRA : So far as my material at a much lower price, it will not information goes, it should not be the be advisable in public interest. K feed there situation that the price of the finished goods is nothing wrong so far as the working of is 15 per cent cheaper than the price of the the MMTC H concerned. If tbere are diffi- raw material. I am not aware of it. if culties faced by small scale industries, I that is the position, 1 would like to look would look into th eir.! But it is'not possi- into it. ble for us to rcddee the pefce. $HRI H. M. PATEL(Dhaodhufca) : 17.S7 hrs. < The question posed was that Imported price «une. to Rs. 6700 or whatever it was* but The Lok Sabh* then odjourned till the m en price was considerably higher. It Eleven o f the Clock on Tuesday, July 27, was so much higher that it was higher than m iis m m * a the price of the finished product* Whatis ■ Printed st Akashdeep Printer*, 10 iDaryaOai^, Delhi-fr';