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• The statistics are not the only measure – A country like Ethiopia grows at 11.4% GDP while USA grows only at 2% GDP

• If you think formation of Telangana is neither a catastrophe, nor a panacea – why dont you accept the aspiration of people ?

• Forum for democracy – NGO org. Loksatta is also NGO .. where is it gone ?

• You always tell about peoples aspirations should be respected . people should have say in rule – why cannot you see people of 10 dist demanding Tstate ? Why cannot you hear ‘peoples voice’ ?

• Andhras would have hated Tamils more if they had been forced to stay in Madras State. Now, the hatred is almost nonexistent because they got separated before animosity became too much. It is better to let go of Telangana. That will immediately decrease hatred in the region.

• NPA ? ారసత ాజయలక వకం ఐన ర య ాం ల ఎందుక జ అయర • You never distributed donation collected for floods in AP, media caught you redhanded. your acts are as a normal political leader, not a visionary as you claim your self to be.

• You won as MLA in kukatpally, but lost your deposit in corporate elections – what kind of mandate you have ?

• . ? ? 10 dist people want thier own rule ? ాక సంసల అారం బదలంప అ అంట ఉంటర మ ెలంాణ అంట అే క అ ఉేశం ల how do you see this ?

• Utopian political idealogy – you always talks about. you started NGO organization and ran for 10 yrs. then you transformed it to political party. what kind of political aspirations you have ?

• If one don’t get 51% they cannot be considered to have a mandate – how can you claim to be a MLA as you don’t have 51% ? And you took front seat in assembly – overriding the priorities and rules.

• Speaking about statistics in your report to SKC, % increase never represents real growth, increase of 100 from 100 = 100%, but increase of 1000 from 10000 will be 10% .. now who is growing ? which school did you go JP ? How did you become IAS ?

• Just because communists with extremist views participated in our Independence Movement we cannot rubbish the entire movement. How can call Tmovement so ? simplytelangana.com/…/dear-jaya-prakas… 1/12 18-02-2011 Dear Jaya Prakash Narayan, Can you ans… • When a victim complains that he is being bullied, you cannot tell him, ‘Go get a consensus from the bully, only then I will protect you’- How can we ask for consensus from Andhra people ?

• Did you publish the funds collected for Loksatta NGO organization and forum for democratic reforms? • Why did you contest from Kukatpally constituency while you reside in Khairatabad? On what basis a ticket was given to Mr. Rattaiah? This looks like you are playing cast based politics. Why didn’t you campaign for any other contestants?

• How many minutes of TV advertisement you have given on behalf of you/your party? Why there is only your photo in those advertisements and how this is different from other parties?

• You have started Loksatta in around 1995, what change were you able to bring? The politics have become even worse since then, isn’t it a failure of Loksatta/JP?

• Loksatta/JP always would like to talk about district level governance, but why are you not in a position to accept the wishes of people from 10 districts? Isn’t creating smaller states a start to bringing government to district level?

• Isn’t it true you are a Hypocrite + Bureaucrat, not a politician who changes their policies according to the wishes of majority people?

• We have heard from trusted sources like people in your constituency and your party men that you are a dictator, is this change you would like to bring in new generation politics?

• How is your party different from other parties and why are you not able to maintain internal democracy in your party?

• Why there are no other elected members within your party? And why there are no other elected members who were elected in any elections?

• What you think might be the reason behind there is no migration of people from Telangana to Andhra?

• Do you support people from Andhra buying lands from Telangana people against the rules set when Telangana is merged with Andhra?

• Are you saying that people who speak Telugu should only live in AP? Can there be a mother to a language? If so, Telugu thalli is mother of which language telangana telugu or andhra telugu? Almost everybody knows that sometimes we cannot understand the language even though it is same language. Some people even think the language they speak is superior to others.

• This is the statement from your party. The Loksatta is not opposed to the formation of a separate Telangana State but it believes that a solution to its problems lies in total decentralization of power and resources through formation of district governments. The Lok satta party’s Election Campaign Committee members told the media that a separate State could always be carved out if the people wished it, by following the procedure prescribed in the Constitution. When more than 80 countries in the world are less in area than a district in Andhra Pradesh, formation of a Telangana State is not a big deal. While your party Loksatta supports smaller states why are you opposing the formation of Telangana?

• Do you think you won the election by just the votes of people from Andhra? Or are you thinking that Telangana people will forget your stand on Telangana when it comes to general elections?

• Do you think you will win the next election with your current stand on Telangana?

• Isn’t it the duty of central government to establish some institutions and industries in the state capital? Isn’t it true that Andhra region will get those kinds of institutions and industries in their new state capital?

• Are you aware of the injustice done to Telangana (language discrimination in society, development, jobs in government/private sectors, irrigation projects, education, drinking water facilities, fluoride issue, weak political leadership, etc? I am not sure how long will be the list.) And how would you like to solve all these issues without the formation of state?

• Isn’t it true that the merger of two states was done against the wishes of Telangana people (don’t talk about the political leaders, we know that our leadership is weak)?

• How do you justify the content in report to Sri Krishna committee without reflecting the wishes of Telangana people? If you feel that what you have done is correct, why didn’t you release your report to people?

• Why did you avoid participating in government program called Praja Patham where you could have solved some of the issues?

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1. gopal says: May 11, 2010 at 11:55 am

Thanks Santosh vemula, for such a exhaustive and nice codification of nothing but factsheet hurled in the face of this turncoat ! i am sure he will not answer even one of the above questions.

Reply 2. A S Gopal says: May 11, 2010 at 5:07 pm

You are right he is a big bafoon in disguise of a man he dont have head onhis shoulders he has his brain in his foot hooo sorry not in is foot but he doesnt have a brain at all, he should Understand this fact that if central Govt in india want consensus for Seperate State Of Telangana so as if they want United Andhra Pradesh it also needs consensus in this Democracy let this fact get into mindless man of Andhra region

Reply 3. Srinivas says: May 11, 2010 at 5:51 pm

Absolutely right. A person should have will to do along with the knowledge. He doesn’t have will and he also know he cannot go against to the peoples wish.

There is no meaning to your knowledge, if you don’t have will to do right thing. Use it man, when you are at the right place to do something. Otherwise you will be another bafoon but a talented bafoon.

Reply 4. vinay says: simplytelangana.com/…/dear-jaya-prakas… 3/12 18-02-2011 Dear Jaya Prakash Narayan, Can you ans… May 11, 2010 at 7:01 pm

Excellent Santhosh, Thanks for sharing!

Reply 5. Chandra Mohan Nellutla says: May 11, 2010 at 8:14 pm

This is a good Write up Santosh. Yes, we need to Ask Mr. Jp to answer these questions. Its time JP mend his ways..

Reply 6. Chinnu says: May 11, 2010 at 8:44 pm

Hello everyone,

Please try to broadminded abt Loksatta. Loksatta neither supported samikyandhra nor Telangana. Why dont u understand? what makes everyone think Loksatta is opposing telangana n supporting united andhra? We want to make it really really clear. If Loksatta really opposes telangana, i wouldn’t have been here trying to clear misunderstandings.

Everyone in this forum wants development in Telangana, right? Loksatta wants the same too. We are just saying we could get much more development if we concentrate on eliminating corruption, local and district governments. In this way, all the funds could directly go to villages and corruption in the middle can be eliminated. What we are saying is without the root cause of the problems solved, development can’t be sustained just by separating or uniting states.

One more thing abt the statistics presented by loksatta, we are trying to say blaming others for our problems is not good for the country. This is applicable to both telangana and andhra. Loksatta agrees that certain GOs have not been implemented properly but that is the same case everywhere in AP n not just telangana. We are trying to say, Polticians all over AP have robbed people everywhere equally. So, we should try to stop that n not fight among ourselves.

Loksatta feels that corrupt and inefficient politics is the reason for under development all over AP. Loksatta wants to bring the facts out and is presenting its way of developing the state. How can u say its opposong telangana?

Reply 7. Kishore says: May 11, 2010 at 9:27 pm

Friends, Please don’t hate a man just because he doesn’t agree your views on one single issue. That doesn’t bring good democracy. There will be always an issue where 2 people disagree and does’t mean that they should not go along on other issues. He clearly has no interest in power, he is setting an example for other educated folks to participate politics. Participation of politics is not discussing the politics inside a house and keep quite. There are millions of frauds are going on that is just because people are not participating in direct politics and has view that leader should do the good. Politicians or goverment doesn’t do good for you unless you pressure them by involving in politics. People think,thier fundamental responsibility is only voting. their duty is completed after voting. That is the fundamental mistake in poeples thinking. Real politics is making politicians accountable. I respect your own views on Telangana. Some of the points above raised are just based on hatred and baseless on JP because he is not willing to join in your point of view.

With out educated people come into politics, Indian politics will be always like this and people will be bafoons infront of few politicians. He is one of the few intellectual people who is doing responsibiilities and civic duties as responsible citizen. He is setting an example that how to involve in politics and reform politics. 99% percent of country keeps silent on real issues of fraud and think it is the responsibility of oppisition leaders duty to fight the government. That is not right. One Advani, One Chandra babu or One KCR ,Or JP can not resolve the real issues. As a telanganite, Conditioin of Telanga doesn’t improve much by splitting state as we don’t strong leaders and and strong will power in the people to fight on other real issues emerges after formation of Telangana. Where are the thousands of telanganities who are fighting now, never fought fraud never pressured any politician before KCR started his movement in 10 years ago. ofcos, there is some truth to your movement but politicians shows in maginication lense.

We should be consicious and not agitated by every issue that is raised. Politicians always finds way to divert and divide people.Our problem will not be resolved even after Telangana is formed. YSR and Chandra babu ate so far and KCR and Jana reddy will eat the money in the same scale after telangana formation. Our situation is not going to be improved. Trust me.

Statitics are not only the measure but whatever measure or method you want to use that will not deviate much from the statistical measure. Uthopia may be growing at 11% that is good sign for that country. That means this country is growing, if they maintain their growth rate, they will be in better shape after few years or decades of work. GDP is one of the measure, he has not mentioned that this is a measure or the only measurement to monitor the progress of the country.

I will answer all of your above questions in my next comments.

Thanks Kishore

Reply Sudhakar says: simplytelangana.com/…/dear-jaya-prakas… 4/12 18-02-2011 Dear Jaya Prakash Narayan, Can you ans… February 18, 2011 at 8:42 pm

OK , Tell us mr Jr Intellectual. Why JP is showing Telangana is more developedthan Andhra when it is an absolute false stmt ? You can not count growth by GDP. Doesnt he know that ?

Reply 8. sree says: May 11, 2010 at 11:35 pm

@Chinnu/Kishore, Please do not patronize us. We know what we are doing and we certainly know who is the culprit. Curruption and all bull, we will deal with it later. Right now our one and only ambition is getting T-state. When JP respects people’s mandate so much and why doesn’t he take the responsibility by standing with T- people. We all know it’s not a fake movement unlike SA movement. Whole country knows, that it is a genuine struggle. I’m not able digest, why an intellectual like him is totally putting a blank face on this issue. What’s disgusting is, he always comes with “telangana vaste, telangana vallaku pedda vorigedi emi undadu..SA vallaku pedda nastamu undadu.. When he knows that, why doesn’t he stand with the people in this genuine struggle. I was an adrent admirer of him and now,I wouldn’t say I hate him but atleast, I dont like him anymore.

“Those who try to lead the people can only do so by following the mob”

He better listen to the people instead of lecturing them.

I will follow his Ideology once we achive telangana and I believe It’s not mandatory that we should be all together to root out curruption.

Ask your JP to listen to the people first, ask him to go to the villages to see the plight of the people. Don’t give god damn reasons like all regions have the same plight. If thats your answer, then why not get seperated then. It will be easier to govern smaler states than larger states. Then there wont be any issues called negligence and all.

“Loksatta neither supported samikyandhra nor Telangana. Why dont u understand? what makes everyone think Loksatta is opposing telangana n supporting united andhra? ”

Why not..thats our eternal question. As a politcal leader, as an MLA and as a respectable party president, why doesn’t he come up with his stand. He should let us know, so that we will decide whether to stay with him or not. First ask him to let us know his stand. When 100′s of people are commiting suicides on this issue, why doesn’t he respond. He doesn’t respond when SA cops brutally attacked student including girls and journalists. Everyone remained calm and JP is no exception. I had tremendous amount of respect for this guy and I was wrong. I coudn’t believe, the man of his stature, compared ethiopia and USA. wow..JP… By not making his stand clear, he has joined the rest of the flock(congress, TDP etc). Atleast Chiru is better as he made his stand clear.

Well.. anyways..We will not stop our agitation until we get our state and we will surely make them pay, whoever playing cunning games with our lives.

Jai Telangana,

Reply 9. Chinnu says: May 12, 2010 at 1:07 am

Everyone should take a stand according to their party’s ideology. You can’t force people to take the stand you like. Loksatta’s stand is very clear from the beginning unlike other parties. Yes or No are not the only options available on the telangana issue. Our party feels Yes or No apparently is and leads to the same thing in terms of development.So it took a stance of its own that our focus shouldn’t be about separating or uniting states but to bring good governance. Our agenda works the same way even if the state is separated or united.Don’t keep on saying “Take a Stand..Take a stand”. This is our stand and people shld understand tht. We have no hatred or oppose any group. Just don’t rub things onto us. Let us work on our own agenda. Anyway, it brings good to the people of either group if implemented. So whats the fuss about? We are not doing anything which takes something away from telangana..right? then why are u hating us?

Reply 10. Vijay says: May 12, 2010 at 1:41 am

Holy Gospellers are back….I mean SA Chameleons are back…Telanganites don’t waste your time.

Chinnu / Minnu & Kishore / Kittu….we know who is who…don’t teach your gospel here.

Reply 11. Chinnu says: May 12, 2010 at 1:49 am

If you dont want us to involve, then leave us alone and focus on ur own tasks. You are the ones who pulled us into this talking about JP n loksatta and you ask us to go away. Strange!!

Reply 12. Chinnu says: simplytelangana.com/…/dear-jaya-prakas… 5/12 18-02-2011 Dear Jaya Prakash Narayan, Can you ans… May 12, 2010 at 1:51 am

and If u you think we are SA people…. For some people, Ignorance is Bliss!!

Reply 13. thomassheep says: May 12, 2010 at 3:05 am

Poor paid-servants of SA rulers, Just on “a single view” or “simple view” of sidelining, makes BIG difference.

Arise, Awake and Fight.

Jai TELANGANA.

Reply 14. Kishore says: May 12, 2010 at 3:41 am

Q) Why there are no other elected members within your party? And why there are no other elected members who were elected in any elections?

Ans) The party’s genuine idealogy is to not get elected by pouring money. You can not clean up politics by using corruptive techniques.This is a very difficult path but a good path.Such good paths are very long and certainly achivable and it take some time for us to achieve the results that you were asking.We need to educate people on the importance of their vote and not selling for temporariy benefits. Educate and encourage educated people to come and involve in politics. There is lot of ground work needed. There will be lot of ups and downs in our path. You would see the results. Don’t expect overnight results or 5 years. It is a progressive path.

You have started Loksatta in around 1995, what change were you able to bring? The politics have become even worse since then, isn’t it a failure of Loksatta/JP?

Ans) You certainly have not followed Loksatta for all these years, my friend. You always push the responsibilities on one or few people when everybody else is corrupt. Loksatta has formulated many policies and presenting this to political parties. Other political parties never interested in these changes but Loksatta has not stopped its job. It is not a easy job to fight a poweful coruppted, wealthy political parties with genuine policies with non corruption methodologies. It is long struggle. Don’t expect other parties don’t put hurdles for these kind of policy changes that Loksatta is proposing. People must be educated and involved for its success. Don’t think it is not your job to eliminate corruption. Loksatta can do this job without your help. The reason Loksatta joined political bandwagon, is corruction has increased too much and good people are not there to fight in politics.People are loosing faith in system. You cannot clean politics being completely outside of it. Loksatta realized it and settingup an example for the people and inviting and encouraging people to enter politics. There is always a issue that we both disagree and that should not be reason why you dump shit on who are working f for greater good and common cause. Do you really think all the political descisions people make are made with fullconciousness. No. Most of the indians don’t think there is a place for them to participate and it is not their shit.

Ok Friend, Let us keep Telangana issue aside, how many other major issues/processes that you disagree with Loksatta? Write the samething for all the parties and judge it. Tell which party is trying to eliminate corruption and which party is not breaking the rules. Which party has more ethical values. Let us believe that we would get Telangana and It takes 5 to 7 Years to formulate after all these political struggles. You think it is ok for every other shit current parties throwing on the country. That shows your true nature and belief on the corruption that you are asking us to resolve.

I will answer few other questions in my next comment.

Thanks Kishore

Reply 15. Gautam Reddy says: May 12, 2010 at 6:05 am

There is a flaw in the argument. You should combine both ethiopia and usa economy and check avg GDP. If the GDP of some eithiopian dists is more than usa ddistricts that means ethiopia is grwoing on par with usa. DOnt calculate separate GDP’s.

Reply 16. Gautam Reddy says: May 12, 2010 at 9:07 am

Dear moderator,

You are changing the meaning of a moderator. This is the attitude making our telanganites seen as silly people. Every telanganite has to know the truths. If you modify my message then i should question your basic moralities. If u remove a part of my message, that does not mean that telanaganites can not know truth. Thank you

Reply admin says: simplytelangana.com/…/dear-jaya-prakas… 6/12 18-02-2011 Dear Jaya Prakash Narayan, Can you ans… May 12, 2010 at 9:40 am

@ Gautam Reddy

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Please go through the commenting guidelines before having your say.

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Reply 17. Gautam Reddy says: May 12, 2010 at 9:49 am

Dear Admin, Thanks for your reply. If you could post my previous message as it is, then bloggers of this website will decide whether any derogatory remarks exist in it. When such an important discussions are going on in this website people express all opinions freely. I hope simplytelangana website is following fundamental principles of democracy.

Reply admin says: May 12, 2010 at 10:31 am

@ Gautam Reddy

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Reply 18. AbdulMuqtadir Syed says: May 12, 2010 at 10:19 am

@Gautam, the above is the reply from admin., I as an individual and loyal Telanganaite would like to notify that, this site is for Telangana and its people. Nothing against Telangana, the agitation, the leaders and most importantly deminising the agitation or necessity of Telangana formation, is intolerable, u may be free to post ur messages anywhere in the world, but I don’t see any need of ppl who oppose the formation of T by any means be it a wise and decent discussion or by any rotten language or any sort of ‘data’ based, we don’t need ppl like this on this site. Hope u got the message. The name itself suggests this is for Telangana only nothing against the state of Telangana needs to be posted here.

Reply 19. Telanganaforever says: May 12, 2010 at 12:02 pm

@G Reddy

I suggest good site for you to post your comments at greatandhra.com.

Reply 20. thomassheep says: May 12, 2010 at 1:06 pm

You guys dont listen our VOICE (Real struggle of TELANGANA) for the past 50 years, or you are NOT in a mood to listen, enough fat you acquired in telangana. Or You wont listen or pay attention to having that Ignorance.

Only way is to chase you out from the field or Separate Telangana is the solution for the eternal issue.

Reply 21. sree says: May 12, 2010 at 7:17 pm

@Chinnu “You can’t force people to take the stand you like”

That’s really funny..If you and me don’t take a stand on any issue about our state or country, it’s understandable. Not a big deal. If JP was leading Loksatta, a non profit organization and if he doesn’t make his stand clear then it’s not a big deal But apparantly that’s not the case with him right now. He is a sitting MLA/party president. Lot of youth in T, expecting him to set an example by making his stand clear unlike some major political parties. simplytelangana.com/…/dear-jaya-prakas… 7/12 18-02-2011 Dear Jaya Prakash Narayan, Can you ans… The whole telangana is going to bed and waking up early with only one question, “When”..They do not want anything right now but telangana. Because of this movement, we all know, there is hardly the great Rosiah(bhisma on hampasayya) govt is functioning. It’s like a major hindrance to the development of T as well as SA. So why not deal with it now and we can also fight with curruption simultaneously we really intend to.

Even if we get on with UA for now, what makes you think it will die down forever.. It will come again. Everyone thought that the demand for T-state was finished in 70′s. And after 40 years, see where we are at now. Instead of discussing about economy, terrorism, development or any other issues, we are talking about T and SA. We all know that it’s due to politicians and politics and prolonging the issues for years and years for self interest and selfish deeds.

So let’s all fight for T-state together and please ask your JP to come and join the movement and help this genuine cause. Trust me, his name will be written with golden words in T-history books.

We will fight with hand in hand to root out curruption in our country after formation of T-state.

Infact we all join Loksatta in it’s fight against the curruption and who wouldn’t want to see a better INDIA.

Jai Telangana

Reply 22. Chinnu says: May 12, 2010 at 9:32 pm

Once again, i want to make it clear. I am not here to diminish the Telangana movement nor comment on its leaders. You could go through all my posts and i’ve said nothing about Telangana. My only concern is the bad remarks about Dr.JP and Loksatta. This is the only reason i’m here. Lets have a meaningful n honest discussion. Why accuse people of things they didn’t do or make abusive comments abt them just because they have different ideas to serve the nation? Your goal is to develop Telangana n our goal is to develop India. Telangana people would get benefited too. Only the methods are different. All of you have accused JP of several things but did i do the same thing of accusing telangana leaders or the movement? No.. C’mon people. Give respect and Take Respect.

Reply 23. MK RAO says: May 13, 2010 at 12:16 am

chinnu, Iam posting the following ,as your political Boss JP has said in USA that there is No organised discrimination against telangana. JP‘s educational back ground is medicine, I.e. biological sciences. He must have passed his civil services with public administration or any other biological sciences. I am surmising this, in view of his utterances and interviews as he never used any of the terminology related to any other social sciences like psychology, sociology or anthropology. Further, he has acquired administrative blinkers by working for donkey’s years as civil servant and in the capacity of secretary. His legalistic and legislative terminology in whole of his public discourse, speaks of his limited capacity to analyse human societal situation in an insightful and comprehensive way. With his verbal facility and polemical tricks he is promoting himself as an academic or a political or social scientist. The way he is taking the fielded questions, in the style of a polymath, and a social scientist can not hide the fact that he is mere ex bureaucrat. This is the man who is deluding others with his intelligence and promoting him self as intellectual. One can not expose him in a gathering like this, as today’s NRIs, hardly read expert journals ,as most of them are soft ware engineers or doctors; Hence his show goes on. The sentence” there is no organised discrimination” is totally dumb. He wants to use the term like he often heard in news papers or his administrative experience “organised crime”. In a societal situation, discrimination is institutional and it is called institutional discrimination. The male and female ratio should be 1000 to 1000 in a ideal situation. If male female ratio in a given population is 1000 to 950, it is discrimination. This happens because there is institutional discrimination. This is happening in India. Men donot sit in the board rooms and public meeting and panchayaths and pass a resolution in an organised way to set the ratio in this proportion, to call it organised discrimination. It happens through the culture of patriarchal society through un-dictated female infanticides, health care inequalities between boy child and girl child in a family etcetera. Similarly the disproportion in the employment of Telangana people and in secretariat and officer cadre in singareni colliers is institutional discrimination. If waters flowing into Telangana are less than Andhra it is institutional discrimination. It is not decided in, say, in a hall in Vijayawada by the Andhra elite sitting across the table in a meeting, or on phones; so that we can call it as organised discrimination. Discrimination happens through power dynamics surreptitiously and subliminally. It is beyond the understanding of JP’s cut and dry bureaucratic mind. When women are power- disadvantaged, the discrimination is remedied by affirmative action. If Telanganites are discriminated due to, being power disadvantaged, it has to be remedied by affirmative action, i.e.; separate Telangana. If JP is saying” no organised discrimination” unknowingly he is stupid, If he saying it, knowingly he is making every body a fool. “sab ko choothiya banara”.

Reply 24. goutam reddy says: May 13, 2010 at 1:23 am

MK Rao saheb, 70% of soldiers in india are north indians.

55% software engineers are from AP.

Do u mean to say that this is discrimantion. Ho can u say male female ratio has to be 50:50. simplytelangana.com/…/dear-jaya-prakas… 8/12 18-02-2011 Dear Jaya Prakash Narayan, Can you ans… Do u mean to say all families should have equal male and female children. Kya baath karre aap?

Reply 25. Thomassheep says: May 13, 2010 at 3:15 pm

Jai TELANGANA

Reply 26. Thomassheep says: May 13, 2010 at 9:41 pm

These guys play North and South cards. Please, Start at home, Telangana first. Always, charity begins at home.

Arise, Awake and Fight.

Jai Telangana

Reply 27. gopal says: May 14, 2010 at 9:21 am

Arey Gautam Reddy, you talk against telangana and claim to be from warangal.not even a man who is about to die or a baby just born will talk against telangana being telanganites. I am from warangal and had been through the thick and thin of the movement since 1969 till date.in my letters to skc, u read there i mentioned that these seemandhras threw few crumbs at a particular community of telangana now and then in order to carry out their unabated loot ,just as the Britishers did by bribing zamindars to further their cause.And u fellow is one of those such beneficiary, so u talk like that ? understandable !!!

Reply 28. Manjunath says: May 15, 2010 at 8:40 pm

@Telanganaforever May 12th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

You said it right except for one thing: the site should be called gutterandhra.com

They write lot of trash fit for andhra nayis

Reply 29. mahadev says: July 4, 2010 at 2:25 pm

sir you have done a big mistake remember that local tv “indian program” mahesh ,he has same views like you if u announced the final result that may help his career because he is very passionate on politics now after completion of his MCA he is going to start IAS preparation but financially his background is not well so please sir if you have seen this comment please sir help him he has many ideas and thoughts because “he is leaving for people not for himself” once talk with him so that u may get clear information about him. he has written one book called “samanyudi rajagam” please sir am his friend this is his number “9247889625″ “7416483183″

Thank you sir

Reply 30. rmbgi says: February 1, 2011 at 9:05 am

Please check the Loksatta Stand for Telangana in Loksatta website. Loksatta is not against Telangana. Formation of state if for development of the state. But, Loksatta view and path for development is different from traditionally view. Loksatta says the district head quarters will the capital of the district. High standard schools, colleges, Multi specialty hospital , Industries for employment and All govt jobs, should be done in District head quarters not in State capital and Country capital. Please read loksatta statement on Telangana issue.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 Lok Satta agenda for Telangana

The Lok Satta is not opposed to the formation of a separate Telangana State but it believes that a solution to its problems lies in total decentralization of power and resources through formation of district governments. simplytelangana.com/…/dear-jaya-prakas… 9/12 18-02-2011 Dear Jaya Prakash Narayan, Can you ans… The Lok Satta Party’s Election Campaign Committee members told the media that a separate State could always be carved out if the people wished it, by following the procedure prescribed in the Constitution. When more than 80 countries in the world are less in area than a district in Andhra Pradesh, formation of a Telangana State is not a big deal.

The Campaign Committee comprises Prof. Kodandarama Rao, Mr. Bodepudi Satyanarayana, Mr. K. Dharma Reddy, Mr. Dommata Venkateswarlu, Mr. Juluri Satyanarayana and Mrs. Gita Murthy.

The members said their agenda for Telangana includes:

Constitution of a tribunal to allocate river waters equitably to all districts Formation of 400 new towns to spur commercial and industrial development Provision of road and bus facilities to every village 24-hour power supply to every village Provision of quality power to the farm sector and Government compensation for motors damaged by voltage fluctuations Protected drinking water supply to every village Employment opportunities to a million youth Uplift of 10 million people above the poverty line Closure of belt shops and gudumba outlets and restriction on liquor consumption Posted by tnsatish at 5:08 PM Email ThisBlogThis!Share to TwitterShare to FacebookShare to Google Buzz Labels: loksatta 3 comments:

Anonymous said… Very encouraging to read this. At least some one understands that the real solution Telangana is development and not a separate state

April 8, 2009 11:45 PM Anonymous said… these area radical promises. will be great if these can be done. But, if you look at history simple rules like mulki rules, and GO610 could not be implemented. How can you assure the people of telangana that these will be addressed?

December 17, 2009 9:24 AM Anonymous said… preaching is easy but implementation is difficult even then we should not loose confidence.we can fight with one weapon vote to elect genuine leaders.

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1. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 1, 2010 at 2:20 pm

@Sujai, this is another master piece of ur pen. Hats off to u brother. The problem is our leadership be it of T or AP or central there is nobody at this point of time who r really caring us. Knowing every fact from top to bottom everybody asks why u want to get separated? Whatever the answer given they have simple reasons to rubbish our argument or demand. The last paragraph what u wrote here is with some phrases is really nice and almost every T favouring person had written the same on this website about SKC. However, as we all know in democratic system of countries certain procedures to be followed and cunning ppl look for loop holes to use it for their personal interests that’s what exactly happening with us.

Reply 2. telanganite says: March 1, 2010 at 9:10 pm

even if there try to proove false that there is no disparity in Telangana regions we dont want to live with these people yaaar…its our self respect…y someone shud rule us?

Reply 3. Chowdary says: March 1, 2010 at 9:34 pm

So what is the most acceptable way of measurement for economic growth of a particular country or region? Do you measure in % or numbers whether it is GDP or GNP?

What does it say if a country is growing at the rate of 11.5% of its GDP? Where does this country stand in terms of economy just after 25 years if it has same pace of growth? In your example it is Ethiopia.

At the same time what does it say if a country is growing at the rate of 2% of its GDP? where does this country stand in terms of economy just after 25 years with the same growth rate? In your example USA.

Do you know what are the consequences/repurcussions in USA if it has 2% growth rate not for the coming 25 years , just the next 5 years? 90% of NRIs will return back to India. Trust me. There will be more racist rites, crime will go up, people will be unhealthy with no jobs and no insurance, banks will go bankrupt (they are already bankrupt), people cann’t pay for their houses, believe me everybody will return back to India. Just imagine if it is 25 years of the same growth.

Now you see a country like Somalia with 11.5% growth rate for the next 10 years will make people like you move to that country for better opportunities. It has already started over there. indian Enterpreneours were already there in Ethiopia to do business. Our Telugu guy Karuturi Ramakrishna Chowdary has bought 7.5 lakh acres of land in that country. Based on your analysis if those two countrie shave the same growth rate then I will move to Ethiopia after 25 years from USA.

So now you put analysis on our Telugu land. Telangana has much better growth rate than Andhra. If the same growth rate continues for the next 25 years then everybody will move from Andhra to Telangana.

One more thing in your article….based on the HDI you published we can definetly say that there is no discrimination going on in developing Andhra Pradesh. If it has been in other way round then we really have to think about that.

Reply 4. Chowdary says: March 1, 2010 at 9:43 pm

@Sujai,

Last but not the least.

Do you think there is no poverty in USA?

It all depends on which area you are moving in USA. Go to south of any city in USA and see how people live there. There are people who don’t have houses, don’t have power so there is no heat in Severe Winter. I can challenge you on one thing. Just walk in the downtown area or south side of any city in USA after 9PM alone if you have guts. Someone from somewhere will come and attack you. It’s all becoz of poverty with no proper education and addiction to bad habits.

Reply 5. sangeeth says: March 1, 2010 at 11:09 pm simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 5/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… @Chowdary, Nice way to allude the things…everyone knows that whatever you say apart from the reality.

Lets believe that they are true for a moment, even though they are not, great job you guys did in elevating the life standards of telangana people, why you guys want to waste your time and money in elevating the life of others instead build your own capital and prosper your own region. Even a kid know that Andhrites are selfish people they don’t contribute a penny to others welfare. don’t give lectures. If you guys are so generous you wouldn’t have broken the rules in Gentlemens agreement. We would have had our water share of 600TMC.

If you guys are such a generous give us our water share and jobs..don’t give lectures stupid. If you have guts only post message on why you are looting water and jobs of telangana region.

Reply 6. Ravi says: March 2, 2010 at 12:04 am

Sujai is correct in describing JP as educated fool. JP talks of district govts. for better administration and opposes two separate administrations for Telangana and SeemaAndhra.

These kind of people are more dangerous than normal contemporary politicians as even though they know the truth they interprets the statistics in a way which satisfy their own interests. Why this fellow does not talk about disparity of allocations in funds, jobs, resources etc?

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@sangeeth

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Reply 8. Prakash says: March 2, 2010 at 12:17 am

Sujai, an excellent expose on this pseudo!

Dr. JP Narayan has built a fan following on the propaganda that he is an intellectual. He is in fact a bureaucrat who survives on his connections & soundbytes. Daggubati in his book mentions that Dt. JPN sided with NTR in the TDP power struggle when he was a public servant.

If you look at his party’s web site, the major focus is only on removing corruption in politics. How can you remove corruption in politics only? Can a clean politician survive in today’s world?

@Chowdary, yes there is poverty in US & the west. Sujai’s point is that the “great intellectual method” used by LSP show that Ethiopia & Iraq are much better than USA.

Reply 9. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 1:09 am

@syed

just like statistics are used to try and establish that T has been neglected and discriminated all these years , statistics can be used by for denying discrimination of T.

when skc tour telangana , people can be tutored to say things .

statistics is the only scientific basis for ascertaining the actual status of T.

when prof jayashankar and kodandram can use statistics why cant others.

pls dont write off statistics. govt policy , planning, budgetary allocations , spending are all based on statistics. simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 6/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… Reply 10. Pavan says: March 2, 2010 at 1:28 am

Friends,

Exactly the same kind of analysis used by JP is also used by Andhra (Kuhana)Medhavula Forum President Chalasani Sreenivas. What he says is before the formation of AP, Telangana didn’t have many schools and other facilities and now they have many.That’s why Andhra has faced injustice for all these days. Then the question will be who’s the culprit. One more very important aspect is they are showin all private institutions also as part of Government Development.If we take example of Engineering College we can understand all this.There are hundreds of Engineering Colleges around Hyderabad they are counting these also as part of education system available for Telangana Students but Andhra students are most benifited out of these colleges reason being when Telangana students can’t even afford to get into Govt. Institutes govt has set up Private Institutes which obivoulsy are useful for the middle class Andhras who settled in Telangana.And because of 4 yrs rule, even these are occupied by Andhra Students. They are talking as if all private investements are for Telangana’s benefit. But we can definitely counter all these arguments with the fact that how many Telanganites are really there such institutions.

Reply 11. SRI4TG says: March 2, 2010 at 1:45 am

Great Sujai,

You are absolutely correct, JP is an cunning intellectual fool. People like him are more dangerous to Telanganites rather than any other selfish Seemandhra politicians. With his money, Lagadapati Raja Gopal also hired few such hollow intellectuals to prepare similar type of document and submitted it to SKC. If possible please explore what is there in that documents. But, I would like to remind you of a fact. As for as AP Congress party is concerned, their high command is not either Sonia Gandhi nor any one else at Delhi. It is non other than the balisina Seemandhra capitalists and politicians from Seemandhra, which include few top shots in film industry. This lobby will kick the ball to Delhi in the name of high command, but again they themselves manage to roll it back in a shape and manner which suits their interests. Money bags play a vital roll in all this drama. Many Telangana leaders cannot afford to operate in such a channel. This is the reason why Telangana leaders and movement got hi-zacked several times and crushed earlier.

Selective boy-cott of Seemandhra business, products and services including films to dilute their money bags is what the remedy to this cancer.

In such an atmosphere, they themselves will leave us and go back by leaving our Telangana into our hold.

– – ాలంధ మయదంల ెగ బర అట ందర బకర ఇట అందర – – సకాదప సంతలన ఆ బళే అంగ బకళదుట సంద

జౖ ెలంాణ Reply 12. khan says: March 2, 2010 at 2:17 am

The statistics and interpretation provided by JP are correct. This is exactly how the SK commission going to look at them.

Reply 13. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 2, 2010 at 2:20 am

@Kumar, from the day of this SKC committee formation and their TOR announcemnet, I have been saying the ‘statistics’ or ‘information’ will be given by the govt. be outrightly or under RTI and the ‘babus’ who r full of seemandhra in every dept. under every minsitry and starting from some independant offices like AG office or courts how and why should we trust these numbers and the reports given by these ppl? This is just a movie shooting, there is a story a director and actors everything ‘lights’ ‘camera’ ‘action’ and ‘OK’. The SKC committees report and their gathering of info is nothing but a drama. Kumar tell me honestly (remember that we r ASTIKS and will have to repay or reply for every deed of this life), have u every been to State secretariate? what is the % of T and SA employees in varous good positions? How about state assembly (not the legislatures themself)? How about telephone bhavan? what about AG office? what about SBH? give me honest reply for these questions then I will reply to u.

Reply 14. Krishna says: March 2, 2010 at 2:27 am

These numbers are called low base effects. Instead of percentages, 1) one should compare the gross improvements during the time together, no need to divide by the original number, which is a low base in case of Telangana in 1950s. 2) Compare the numbers as they are. No need to subtract the 1950′s number at all.

Do this way for, per-capita income, poverty ratio, Number of schools per thousand people, Number of hospitals per thound people, funds allocated for simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 7/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… thousand people district-wise. That brings out a better picture. No percentages please.

Reply 15. Krishna says: March 2, 2010 at 2:28 am

Trust only central govt. numbers. not state numbers.

Reply 16. khan says: March 2, 2010 at 2:38 am

I agree with you syed on only one count that SKC is not for seperate T, but i will not agree that secretariat is full of SA people. That is wrong. Go to secretariat and see. I have been to sec a couple of weeks ago and could hardly find any A.

Reply 17. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 2:40 am

@syed

yes i agree that majority of employees are seemandhra employees.

but why the conspiracy theory or the paranoia about them.

statistics are not only from the secretariat. they are from the planning commission , finance, agriculture , irrigation, water resources ministeries etc.

fudging statistics is not so easy especially with rti and courts being over active nowadays.

the skc has got independent , neutral and professional members. let them evaluate and give their report.

pls do not prejudge them.

Reply 18. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 2, 2010 at 2:51 am

@Kumar and Khan, Waddinche waadu mana waadayite ekkada koorchunna pharawa ledu. This is exactly fits with the state administration, the dept. u mentioned above Kumar r as well full of SA ppl, and I am not willing to trust this ppl to give honest report. The courts r ‘over acting or over reacting’ I don’t want to comment on that.

Reply 19. khan says: March 2, 2010 at 3:06 am

Syed,

Can you tell why should not A and R people work in AP secretariat? Whoever declared that it is only T secretariat?

Reply 20. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 2, 2010 at 3:15 am

Dear Khan, the problem is not with theri just working, the problem is and basic problem for this agitation is that ‘where is the balance’? the jobs should have been given to the qualified ppl for both the regions why the govt. depts. r in majority filled with non T ppl? The ministries and the secretariate is not just for SA it is for the whole AP, then why they jobs not given to T ppl are they incapable or are they not educated or the govt. never considered T ppl as natives of this state and country?

Reply 21. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 3:18 am

@syed

this is very negative thinking. at this rate you will not trust even if panel is headed by kcr, or prof kodandram etc.

off course kcr has never been trustworthy. it is expecting too much from him and it is alien to his nature.

Reply 22. kumar says: simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 8/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… March 2, 2010 at 3:36 am

@syed

maybe you are right. maybe people from A region are more qualified, educated, and capable than others and hence they got the jobs.

sometimes in introspection you can pinpoint the actual problem.

Reply 23. Prakash says: March 2, 2010 at 4:00 am

@khan March 2nd, 2010 at 2:17 am

I can not agree with your statement: “The statistics and interpretation provided by JP are correct. This is exactly how the SK commission going to look at them”

They may not be great but they will not believe that Ethiopia & Iraq are much better than USA.

“ankela garadi” will not work. Statistics ia a good tool to use but only when employed within a well defined model.

Reply 24. kishan says: March 2, 2010 at 4:03 am

Dear bloggers

When Prof Jayashankar shows cooked data, u people praised

When JP shows the official data u r saying he is intelectual fool

Better to understand, there are the only indicators in the world to measure the development

Mr Sujai and all supporters fearing that all facts will comeout now, So, they are preparing ground, that SKC looked it in statistical way insted of emotional way

But there is no other way to measure the development

I agree with one thing that SKC will gave fact sheet, based on that Cong will take decision

U had to understand one thing is common andhra & seema people are not against the T formation but they want to know the real facts before division and find who is the looters

Thats why they are supporting SKC, let us see, the SKC will remove the apprehensions and show the lies & facts

@Syed

I know u r staying comfotably at Gulf and saying that Secretariate filled with S&A people

Than how TJAC secretariate is very strong in strength Have anytime gone to Secretariat

Reply 25. kishan says: March 2, 2010 at 4:14 am

U people crying, while looking in to facts, U have every right to ask separate state but not blaming others for u r problems

Check the report generated at 1991 by independent investigators

After that JP has give till last year

http://www.slideshare.net/indicusanalytics/the-geography-of-post-1991-indian-economy

Reply 26. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 2, 2010 at 4:27 am

@Kishan, I have to been to secretariate for the first time when Karanam Ramchandar Rao was a minister in NTRs cabinet. If I can give u exact count I think around a 750 times I went to secretariate in my whole life, yes the last I visited was in the year 2008. I agree I have a very little knowledge of secretariate and its bosses and babus. But the employees r 25% from T and 75% r from SA. BTW, secretariate is not the place where every common man needs to go.

Reply simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 9/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… 27. Prakash says: March 2, 2010 at 4:28 am

@kishan March 2nd, 2010 at 4:03 am

You say “there is no other way to measure the development” and criticize Sujai’s analysis. Do you believe that Ethiopia & Iraq are much better than USA?

Did you read Daggubati’s book? JPN & Purandeshwari asked Daggubati not to join Babu against NTR. What was JPN, then a serving bureaucrat, doing interfering in party & family affairs?

Do you believe the bureaucrats will cooperate by providing information promptly? Why did only 30 out of 134 depts. provide information to the House Committee on GO 610?

In any case the “development debate” like SKC itself is a ploy for procrastination. We have seen many such committees before.

Reply 28. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 2, 2010 at 4:30 am

@Kumar, if the same ppl can get jobs in anywhere in the world but not in AP govt dept. what u say? isn’t it a sheer discrimination? come on man we have discussed debated and many ppl did this not again to start the same issue to discuss.

Reply 29. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 4:37 am

@kishan

i subscribe to your views.

if really telangana has been looted, cheated or deprived of development as statistics show , i am sure all the citizens of this state will not begrudge any preference given to the telangana brethern.

at the same time baseless allegations , abuses and taunts and threats thrown at people of other regions will not be accepted.

under the nizams rule and the 5-6 decades thereafter hyderabad was known for its cosmopolitan outlook. people transferred to hyderabad for their jobs ended up settling here . thats how much they liked this place.

let hyderabad retain its cosmopolitan qualities and let not narrow and regionalistic tendencies mar the atmosphere.let not people of telangana compete with shiv sainiks for berating people from other regions.

Reply 30. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 4:43 am

@syed

my comment was an extension your comment.

pls read my comment again if you wish.

Reply 31. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 2, 2010 at 5:19 am

@Kumar, gimmicks of wording cannot hide the truth. The govt. has to balance in hiring employees in every dept. the ‘best’ or ‘betterest’ formula a private co. can adopt not a democratic govt. how come one region ppl r ‘best’ suiting to a job and others not? this is just discrimination an usurping our quota nothing else.

Reply 32. kishan says: March 2, 2010 at 5:22 am

@Prakash

Read the analysis carefully, Ethiopia growth rate is more than USA, If same thing continuos for 25 years, It will cross the standard of living of india, and continuos to grow like for 50 years it crosses USA

So, there is no other way except standard economic development indicators and human development index for any country, state or specific region to measure the growth

Don’t deviate from point of discussion to associations simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 10/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… There is always a system for measuring growth at distirct and even mandal level, Do u feel that the people located at remote mandal of telangana modify the figures while submitting, DES & planning dept gather them every year

So, don’t worry, the facts will comeout, don’t cry even before the commission report, that creates some suspicion among people

Reply 33. khan says: March 2, 2010 at 5:38 am

Syed,

It is not true that A people have taken up the jobs that are reserved for T. The government cannot do such things arbitrarily. What are the politicians, ministers of T are doing all the days? KCR had infact advocated abolition of 6 point formala and the presidential order. How can we explain this.

Reply 34. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 5:40 am

@syed

what gimmick of words.

in fact it is more of gimmick of emotion , sentiments , lies, threats and taunts in comments by various people like you, telanganite, sangeeth etc.

more rhetoric than logic or facts.

anyway any one can comment anything as long as moderator accepts.

again i go back to my old response. the politicians and leaders of this region are responsible for this mess. for allowing leaders and politicians of other regions extend their influence over appointments in this region.

if you talk of money power then the leaders and politicians from T can contribute a part of their ill gotten wealth for sponsoring jobs for candidates of T region.

why could kcr and party not even try for enforcing go 610.

what action has he taken in the past for implementation of go 610.

Reply 35. khan says: March 2, 2010 at 5:43 am

A report from The Hindu dated 21-Jul-2007.

Syed, how can you discount this. Let us talk on hard facts.

53 per cent Secretariat staff from Telangana, says Minister

HYDERABAD: More than 53 per cent of the Secretariat employees hail from Telangana, according to Higher Education Minister D. Srinivas.

Replying to a question by K. Dileep Kumar (TRS) in the Council on Friday about the ratio of employees from Telangana in the Secretariat, the Minister said there were 3,297 employees in the Secretariat of whom 1,762 employees belonged to Telangana. He made it clear that the Secretariat did not come under the Presidential Order and hence the principle of ‘fair share’ did not apply there.

Reply 36. Prakash says: March 2, 2010 at 5:45 am

@kumar March 2nd, 2010 at 4:37 am

What happened to Hyderabad’s cosmopolitan qualities? The only people who diluted the Ganga Jamuna tahzeeb are some people (aka “KPHB” seemandhras).

Those who insist on “my language & my region” do not integrate well. These guys are the danger to Hyderabad’s cosmopoliran culture, not the telangana people.

BTW I am not criticizing all seemandhra people but only those with “ostrich mentality”.

Reply 37. khan says: March 2, 2010 at 5:51 am

@prakash simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 11/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… You say my language&my region do not integrate well. Can you tell me who is proclaiming that the language is one reason for seperate T. Let us not get into these type of negative arguments. Negativism will not help T. On the contrary it will harm whatever small fraction of T population living in Hyderabad.

Reply 38. Prakash says: March 2, 2010 at 6:03 am

@khan March 2nd, 2010 at 5:51 am

Gummadi kaya dongante bhujam tadumukovaddu. How can a city maintain cosmopolitan culture when some people who refuse to integrate?

Telangana culture is built on mutual respect for all religions, all languages & all regions. Some seemandhra guys refuse to blend in to this and insist only their language & accent should be used.

Reply 39. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 6:07 am

@prakash

i dont agree with your opinion reg kphb seemandhras.

all of them are not like that.

your comment ranks of sentiment and emotion.

its strange everyone in hyd got along fine with everyone else till nov 09.

kcr’s fast seems to have jaundiced peoples opinions overnight.

even now i dont see the T sentiment as much as you people make it out to be , when i travel anywhere.

people are more bothered by day to day problems like inflation, jobs, education , etc.

my feeling is the T sentiment is being whipped up by politicians , leaders , realtors who made a quick buck , buying and selling lands during the boom. now that markets are down , they want to suppress the rates further and take advantage of a situation when people may not want to remain invested in a politically unstable place , buy and invest in lands again for a profit.

another point is that lands surrounding hyd has been saturated. now that greater hyderabad has widened the limits of this city , realtors and politicians want to take positions in lands beyond 50-60 kms radius of hyderabad.

this could be one of the reasons.

Reply 40. khan says: March 2, 2010 at 6:08 am

Can you tell me what is Seemandhra language and accent? Even Telangana accent is different for different districts. Same with Seemandhra accent. Who insisted on using their accent? As a whole every one is not migrating to english. Forget about their language and accent.

Reply 41. Prakash says: March 2, 2010 at 6:31 am

@kishan March 2nd, 2010 at 5:22 am

Can you please avoid language like “don’t cry”, thanks a lot.

Please read Krishna’s comment (March 2nd, 2010 at 2:27 am) to understand the concept of “low base effects”.

The analysis of the “soundbyte magician” Dr. JPN assumes that Ethiopia can continue to grow at 11.1% pa without any economical basis.

Extrapolation works only inside a defined model within clear-cut boundary conditions.

Did any committee do a development analysis before seemandhra separated from Madras? This “development debate” like SKC are diversionary ploys unrelated to the democratic demand of Telangana

Reply 42. Telanganaforever says: March 2, 2010 at 6:38 am simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 12/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… This shows the cunning nature of the Andhra politicians. For years they have been systmatically exploiting our resources now come up with fake explanation.

WHY ARE THE THREE MAJOR DAMS, NSAGAR SRISHAILAM AND POLAVARAM ON THE BORDER OF THE A-T?

Reply 43. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 6:38 am

@prakash

i beg to differ with you. the T movement is not a democratic movement.

it is a politicial movement being camouflaged to look like a democratic movement.

kcr started trs and the telengana self respect strategy to gain political space and influence for himself and his family. for this he roped in prof jayshankar , kodandram and a few intellectuals , student leaders and people like gaddar etc.

if there is a referendum reg telangana in telangana it will fail.

i repeat its not a mass movement. its a movement thats beginning to loose steam.

Reply 44. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 6:45 am

@telangana forever.

the dams are where they are because thats where the rivers flow and a team of experts deemed thats this is the best location for the dam.

dont blame the builders of the dam.

blame the person who drew the boundaries of telangana and andhra.

Reply 45. khan says: March 2, 2010 at 6:49 am

Exploitation of resources is the first Characteristic of every politician be it Seemandhra and Telangana. I am not sure how can one construct dam wherever they want. Identification of Dam location depends on several Geological, Geomorphological parametres and political considerations are not a part of them. However canals and regulators are subjected to political interference, but not Dams. Why don’t kcr come forward with Hydrological model of a dam in any other location different from the existing ones?

Reply 46. Prakash says: March 2, 2010 at 6:53 am

@kumar, @khan,

Let me state at the outset:

- I did not start this debate about cosmopolitanism, Kumar did - I have no problem with KPHB seemandhras

Cosmopolitanism or inclusiveness is natural for multi-cultural entities like Telangana (or Karnataka for that matter). Homogeneous societies on the other hand tend to encourage uniformity rather than diversity.

I use “KPHB seemandhras” (with quotes) to refer to people who are obsessed with their own identity based loyalties (e.g. our “friend” Chowdary) without trying to understand the cosmopolitan culture of the place.

Yes, English is a good option but it excludes the less educated. Urdu is a much better option for Hyderabad as it is more inclusive & fits in with the centuries old culture.

This is not based on sentiment and emotion. Besides Telugu, I speak English, Urdu & Hindi fluently besides reasonable Kannada.

Reply 47. khan says: March 2, 2010 at 7:05 am

Prakash, Syed and Admin,

I think the time has come for more constructive debates on this site. I am quite satisfied with the way this debate had gone on. People might not agree with each other, but as long as they agree to disagree with each other with respect, it will be healthy. Let us not abuse Seemandhrites or Telanganites. Ofcourse the simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 13/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… politicians are exception. None of us can actually make any decision on division or integration. But we can be civil to each other. Why don’t we have civil debates. Let me know your opinions

Reply 48. kishan says: March 2, 2010 at 7:18 am

@Prakash //Did any committee do a development analysis before seemandhra separated from Madras? This “development debate” like SKC are diversionary ploys unrelated to the democratic demand of Telangana//

Andhra Rashtra formed on the basis of resolution formed in 1919 AICC meeting

There the “key word” for bifurcation is language

with that keyword, not only Andhra, except hindi belt all states formed on that keyword

Now the situation is different, central govt is trying to find such keyword for bifurcation

Culture basis- not acceptible, 500 princly states with 1000 cultures Development basis- debatable item, as statistics showing T region developed more Self governance basis- 100% local political representatives from T 119 MLAs and 19 MPs

So, think positively, may be SKC will comeout with such keyword and help centre to form T state without problem

Reply 49. kishan says: March 2, 2010 at 7:24 am

@ Prakash

Regarding statistical analysis

Any statistical analysis require baseline, that is must & should

Now, u r saying the telangana baseline is low, so the development is hyped in stat

U people only expressed your views, that Telangana is well developed before AP formation, only lag behind after AP formation, How a developed area has low baseline?

U people told that telangana has lot of infrastructure& industries before AP formation, if that is true, the baseline should be high and the growth shown is lower or negative?

can u explain

Reply 50. sangeeth says: March 2, 2010 at 7:25 am

Hi Kumar,

The dam Nagarjuna sagar is not constructed at the place where it has to be. It was moved 20kms beyond the place it was planned. Original plan was to construct it at Nandikonda village so that it can give 200TMC of water out of 400TMC to telangana..please stop talking with half knowledge.

Reply 51. khan says: March 2, 2010 at 7:39 am

@Sangeeth, Can you please tell me where was that socalled location which is 20km from the present site? As far as I know the present location is best suited for this dam. There is another suitable location which is around 15km from the present location but that would have meant that smaller spillway capacity and lesser storage of water.

Reply 52. khan says: March 2, 2010 at 7:42 am

I have just checked Nandikonda site. It is 1.5km north west of present location. That location would have submerged most of Nalgonda district, leave alone providing any water.

Reply simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 14/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… 53. kishan says: March 2, 2010 at 7:46 am

@ Sangeeth

Nandikonda project is the name of nagarjuna sagar before it christenied by J.Nehru

This project planned jointly by madras presidency and Nizam circar

The survey and planning was funded by Muktyala Raja, whose zamindari lies in nalgonda and krishna district

Reply 54. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 2, 2010 at 7:54 am

@Kumar, > if there is a referendum reg telangana in telangana it will fail I would love to have a referrendum in T region asking simple question ‘do u support separate Telangana or not?’ then u will see the result a minimum of 90% will vote in favour of Telangana(10% left for hyderabadis and the SA ppl living in T)

> i repeat its not a mass movement. its a movement thats beginning to loose steam

Can u elaborate how many towns or villages in which district did u actually surveyed in T before making the above statement?

We have a say ‘shaitan ki aant’ intestine of the satan (actually used for something very lengthy or unending thing), this T movement is that it will not END or DIE unless and untill official announcement comes from central govt. about the formation of Telangana.

Reply 55. Prakash says: March 2, 2010 at 8:40 am

Bravo Syed bhai!

The Telangana movement has reached critical mass and crossed the “point of no return”. I however suggest a couple of changes in your thoughts:

I am certain most Hyderabadis including semandhra guys will also vote for Telangana. The movement will go on till Telangana is formed (we should not stop at announcement)

Reply 56. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 2, 2010 at 8:58 am

@Prakash, I have said ‘formation of Telangana’ not forming of T, I mean this something like Brahimin reciting shlokas then saat phere and then bidai sending the bride with her husband to inlaws house not just say in donoki shaadi karenge. the central govt. official gazzette should say effective this date the state of Telangana is ocming in to existence with the boundaries reaching from to etc.

Reply 57. telanganatillidie says: March 2, 2010 at 9:27 am

@Kumar,

Like any andrite you are either ignorant of telangana movement or you simply can’t digest the facts..

“i repeat its not a mass movement. its a movement thats beginning to loose steam.”

I think you are in chennai or in andra ..Come to telangana region like hyd warangal or any place. You will come to know what is telangana movement. Have u ever been to hyderabad ?.

Do u think ppl r getting along well till nov9?…A big joke..Firstofall andrites are the one who can’t forget KCR.I think u ppl r afraid of him.

I stayed with andrites for soem time.And i do have good frends from that region.But whenevr it comes to regional things we always fight within ourselves.If it’s the case among professional imagine the case of normal people…

The cultures are always different.Infact telangan means “telugu”.But there is no definition for “andra” ..

Reply 58. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 11:02 am simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 15/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… @telanganatillidie

i am from hyderabad. i was in warangal over the weekend.i also travel to nizambad and adilabad frequently.

i am in fertiliser and transport business so my interaction with rural andhra is more than you.

where are you from . why you do not have a pulse of whats happening around you.

Reply 59. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 11:07 am

@telanganatillidie

for me kcr is a joke. for a laugh we discuss kcr like people share sardar or santa banta jokes.

yes we are afraid of him .

you know why ?

when we say we are from hyderabad , people from outside the state and india relate us to kcr. we do not want to be identified with him.like people of uganda were ashamed to be related to idi amin.

Reply 60. sagar says: March 2, 2010 at 11:25 am

Dear chowdary,khan,kishan,kumar

Could you please!analyze why the movement for a separate state from Madras state started?

JAI!TELANGANA! JAI! JAI! TELANGANA!

Reply 61. raghu says: March 2, 2010 at 11:40 am

@kumar May be you might have travelled to rural andhra that doesn’t mean that you know whole rural people or tell me how many of the telangana people you will influence, bavi lo padda kappa laga matladutunnavu, max you will know the people with whom you will do business, their views may not reflect the view of all 4 crore telangana people right. Think with maturity or use your fertilizers to grow your mind

Reply 62. Anonymous says: March 2, 2010 at 11:43 am

@ Everyone,

A swindler can’t be an intellectual.my humble request to every one is not to associate intellectual word with Mr.Jackal Pundit(jp).

Reply 63. raghu says: March 2, 2010 at 11:45 am

@Khan //That location would have submerged most of Nalgonda district// If a projects capacity that much, it can store the whole Arabian see water, at max 150 villages submerges to build a project

Reply 64. @Kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 12:36 pm

For me you are a big joke, you talk all which doesn’t reflect truth and make mockery of things being educated.Doesn’t know the sense of analysis. First try to know your Andhra,Andhera pradesh and your history,then come back and discuss buddy…….ha.. ha.. ha.. For your sake A proverb”Don’t throw stone at neibhour being in glass house. jai! telangana!

Reply 65. @Kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 12:59 pm simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 16/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… Dear kumar, wow what a big joke,ha..ha…ha look at your statement below, “even now i dont see the T sentiment as much as you people make it out to be , when i travel anywhere.”

dear KU-mar, Have you travelled in Andhra region? If not, probably you are blind with 6/6 vision,deaf with two good years but loud enough with two tongues wanging and analizing from your knees. Good entertainment dear buddy!!!!!!! Jai! Telangana

Reply 66. Riyaz says: March 2, 2010 at 2:25 pm

Dear kumar, wow what a big joke,ha..ha…ha look at your statement below, ,”even now i dont see the T sentiment as much as you people make it out to be , when i travel anywhere.”

dear KUmar, Have you travelled in Andhra region? If not, probably you are blind with 6/6 vision,deaf with two good years but loud enough with two tongues wanging and analizing from your knees. Good entertainment dear buddy!!!!!!!

Reply 67. kumar says: March 2, 2010 at 10:03 pm

@riyaz

like everyones brains your brain is made of 2 parts.

there the similiarity ends.

the right side has nothing left in it.

the left side has nothing right in it.

Maybe it will help your brain to work.

Reply 68. Prakash says: March 3, 2010 at 3:45 am

Guys, let us imagine what will happen if the “great intellectual” JPN becomes a cricket commentator. Examples of his “statistics knowledge” below:

Scene 1: India vs. England first ODI. India batting first with JPN & Geoff Boycott (GB) in the commentary box. First over: Sehwag 7 not out, Gambhir 5 not out

JPN: As a great intellectual with excellent statistics knowledge, I predict India will reach 600 for no loss (12 runs X 50 overs) GB: You idiot, who selected you for this job? My mother knows more cricket than you!

Scene 2: After making an ass of himself and being ridiculed by fellow commentators like GB, Harsha, Sidhu et al, JPN is dropped for the next 3 ODIs. He manages to come back for the 5th ODI with Purandeswari’s recomendation. England batting first with JPN & Geoff Boycott (GB) in the commentary box. First over: Cook bowled by Zaheer on the first ball. Bopara comes in and plays the next five balls without a run.

JPN: As you know, I am a great intellectual with excellent statistics knowledge, I predict England will reach 0 for 50 wickets (1 wicket & 0 runs X 50 overs) GB: You idiot, how did you manage to come back? Don’t you know there are only 11 batsmen and the innings ends after 10 wickets? JPN: oops, I didn’t know it. I therefore predict England will be allout for 0 in 10 overs (1 wicket & 0 runs X 10 overs) GB: I knew your cricket knowledge is worse than my mother. My grand mother knows more statistics than you! Harsha: Mr. Boycott, this idiot talks the same type of nonsense in our state also. Our idiotic politicians are so impressed with this BS that they listen to him! Sidhu: This guy is proving the old adage: “There are three types of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics”

Reply 69. kumar says: March 3, 2010 at 4:01 am

@prakash simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 17/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… remember one thing.

without statistics even jac and kcr will not have anything to show for justifying a seperate state.

they will have only emotions and sentiment which cannot be accepted officially.

if statistics auits you , you will use it and if doesnt suit you its lies, damned lies and statistics.

all these days people were posting statistics on this site.

now that the skc is being presented statistics to show T hasnt been neglected as is made out to be, everyone has developed cold feet to accept statistics.

heads i win tails you lose logic .

Reply 70. @Prakash says: March 3, 2010 at 4:04 am

@Prakash, You think you are smart .. Can you let us all know your prediction for India’s score if it was 12/0 after 1 over.. ??? Please tell us also the reason for the prediction..

When you dont have an answer of your own, its better to not comment..

JP is a better buearacrat than most of the corrupt Andhra and ‘T’ ministers and buearacrats.. He might not be best, but better than many..

Reply 71. Prakash says: March 3, 2010 at 5:15 am

I never said I am smart or that I am smarter than someone else.

I am only trying to show that statistics can not be used blindly. Statistics work with a model within boundaries. JPN’s numbers are not based on a sound model.

BTW I do not develop cold feet.

The question “Can you let us all know your prediction for India’s score if it was 12/0 after 1 over?” can be answered only after taking into account the important cricketing parameters (e.g. pitch, form etc.).

Dr. JPN may be better than many bureaucrats but these guys are not making tall claims.

In any case, the “development debate” is a diversionary tactic

Reply 72. kumar says: March 3, 2010 at 5:23 am

@prakash

you tried to be too smart but realised you couldnt outsmart.

now a case of sour grapes.

Reply 73. @Prakash says: March 3, 2010 at 6:10 am

Wouldnt you consider some mathematical data to move forward on the debate and add parameters as when they surface rather than just with some baseless claims without supporting data..

There are different faces for this agitation..and all faces have to be proved before a third party and state or district can never be formed with just the emotional need of some/majority of people..

1) We should have statistical data to prove that telangana didnt develop since the last 50 years (this should be relative to the overall development index of the state) ? 2) Remaining Andhra people have deprived the existing Telangana folks from Jobs ( I heard that Secratariat has 52% of employees from Telanagana).. 3) water problem 4) Migration of people etc

So everyone needs data to say YES/NO to something..

Reply simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 18/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… 74. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 3, 2010 at 7:05 am

All: I think before u start any debate set the parameters to mark or measure the dev. e.g. a is saying there is less development in T compared to SA, b is saying NO T has more development. Dears just arguing will not lead us to conclusion if anybody really wants to argue to reachout to a conclusion it is better to set rules / parameters. What is the base of jduging the info.? As @Prakash said he heard 52% employees r from T. My argument to this is what is the base to say who is Telanganite? Those descendants of T ppl living there for centuries or those immigrants living in T for last 1-6 decades? Decide this basic first then let us talk.

Reply 75. Prakash says: March 3, 2010 at 7:27 am

Kumar, you are wrong if you think you can “outsmart” or “outfox” me. The point here (whether it is Sujai or me) is that JPN is using a foolish approach. I see several such “Excel exercises”.

The starting point for any reasonable debate on numbers is to agree on a mathematical model.

BTW the whole “development debate” is a diversionary tactic.

What mathematical data, if any, was used to move forward on the debate for andhra, punjab, jharkhand etc.?

Reply 76. SRI4TG says: March 3, 2010 at 7:28 am

There are many demands for separate states, but Telangana is unique. Telangana people are not demanding to create a brand new state for them, but they are demanding for the restoration of their earlier Hyderabad/Telangana state as it was before it got merged with Andhra to create AP. The merger with Andhra was not unconditional. Forced merger of Telangana with Andhra was opposed by Telangana people, then CM, B. Ramakrishna Rao and first SRC (Fasal Ali commission). The conditional merger failed time and again. Andhra leaders broke all the agreements between Telangana and Andhra starting from Gentlemen’s agreement, Mulki rules, to 610 Go, which gives preferential treatment to local people. Even Prime Minister Nehru said in 1956 that Telangana can separate from Andhra, if Telangana people don’t like the merger at a later date. Telangana has 119 MLAs, and Andhra has 175 MLAs. Andhra leaders are strong and with numbers in their favor, they always enjoyed the veto power to belittled Telangana leaders and people time and again. So we need your help to create Telangana state. Hyderabad/Telangana state was self sufficient in all aspects with full fledged, well infra structured capital city at Hyderabad when it was merged with Andhra to create AP, hence it is justified to just restore our state as it was, when it got merged with Andhra.

Reply 77. kumar says: March 3, 2010 at 8:06 am

@prakash

pls clarify what you mean by mathematical model.

is it different from a statistical model ?

isnt statistics the basis for a mathematical model.

pls also clarify if kcr or jac or prof K prepared a mathematical model to propound ta seperate T state.

if yes can you furnish this mathematical model.

Reply 78. kumar says: March 3, 2010 at 8:14 am

@syed

at last something constructive from you.

yes standards and parameters have to be set to evaluate the the idea of creating the T state.

who is a settler ?

how long should a person reside here he could be called a telanganite.

would mulki rules apply or something more.

who will decide this. how can this be made equitable and applicable to all. simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 19/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… Reply 79. Raghavulu says: March 3, 2010 at 11:14 am

@kumar why do you want united A.P? Dont you want Andhra region to develop and have its own capital? Even if this Telangana movement is suppressed now,what is guarantee that it again will not come up? Then chenna reddy,now kcr,and in future…….???????? where will we stand? Our leaders did a blunder by stoping Jai Andhra movement at that time. Otherwise,now the situation should have been different.A city better than Hyd should have existed by now. Its late but better than never, For god sake lets develop our own capital. Dont fall pray to this politicians.

Reply 80. Chowdary says: March 3, 2010 at 7:32 pm

@Kumar,

These guys will not respond to your questions.

I’m also asking the same question to all telanganites here in this forum including the moderator/admin.

who is a settler ?

how long should a person reside here he could be called a telanganite.

would mulki rules apply or something more.

who will decide this. how can this be made equitable and applicable to all.

First answer those questions then we will debate.

As per the law even if NRIs want to become Indian citizens if they stay in India for 7 years they are eligible to take Indian citizenship.

So definetly any person who is staying in any part off the country will be considered as local if he stays a maximum of 7 years.

Based on that even if we consider a 5% raise of population in Hyderabad due to migrants from other parts of the country 95% of the current city population will be considered as local.

Telangana state is impossible. Just in case if it happens then CBN/Renuka Chowdary/Purandeswari are all eligible to become CMs of Telangana.

If someone here in this forum says no we will not accept them as settlers then they need to justify their case.

Reply 81. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 4, 2010 at 1:00 am

@Chowday & Kumar, R u confimring that u both r telanganites based on the above writings? Straight answer pls.

Reply 82. ganesh says: March 4, 2010 at 6:36 am

i am from andhra pls politionns give him to telangana separete what that to issuse

Reply 83. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 4, 2010 at 6:46 am

Kumar & chowdari, R u there?

Reply 84. kishan says: March 4, 2010 at 7:30 am

@ SRI4TG simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 20/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… U presented u r case, told that T is unique, Than

- Identify one unique indicator to justify the cause in parliment, because u had to convince entire india the cause is unique

U stated that Telangana opposed at the time of merger, but the fact is T assembly accepted with two third majority

U are saying T is self sufficiant at the time of merger, have u anytime seen the baseline survey?

than why baseline at 1956 is showing T is more backward?

If comparing the T,A & S regions are not correct by some bloggers, shall we compare the hyderabad karnataka part, hyderabad maharastra part with Telangana. Then cameout the facts, which area developed Don’t make hallow statements, study the history because it always try to repeat

Reply 85. SYED ABDULMUQTADIR says: March 4, 2010 at 8:30 am

@Kishan, let us go step by step. T is unique issue as the merger was ‘conditional’, and the terms of the agreement didn’t honoured by the SA leaders with the help of corrupt politcians of T. The discrimination of exploitation has been accepted by various party govt. of AP and constituted some committees to survey and suggest, there were lots of committees for and on T but their recommendations not implemented again by the SA leaders with the help of corrupt leaders of T. Pls. if no discrimination of exploitation then what compelled the popular leaders of their own time to constitute such committees? Concerning the development I have asked manytimes in this website, to compare any city of SA i.e. Guntur, Vishakha pattanam, Vijayawada etc. with any other city of T (excluding hyderabad) in terms of infrastructure (not about the tall bldgs. owned by common man) and the natural resources being used in T coming in from SA and the natural resources being used by SA coming from T. Pls. answer these questions then we will continue.

Reply 86. Teja says: March 6, 2010 at 1:26 pm

@chowdary, here we are not talking about the formation of separate country its only the formation of separate state. So settlers will have the all rites in separate state of Telangana like that of the settlers in other states of the country.

Reply 87. Teja says: March 6, 2010 at 1:28 pm

@chowdary, here we are not talking about the formation of separate country its only the formation of separate state. So settlers will have all the rites in separate state of Telangana like that of the settlers in other states of the country.

Reply 88. sriram says: March 19, 2010 at 5:43 pm

i have just seen this site and i have gone through discussions and comments and this is what I observed.. 1. u guys are self -centerd..totally 2. u r not at all ready to accept any thing less than what u would like to hear/see even if it is 3+3=6. 3.if any one does that u simply unrate him and his comment doesnot appear… 4. dont u think its kind of a frogs in a pond party types 5.u all are wasting ur precious ttym in this useless discussions which u prolong jus for satisfying UR EGOS 6. seriously u all guys hav such an inflated egos…my god.. thank god im not a part of u all… hmph…

MAY GOD BLESS U ALL WITH WISDOM TO SEE REALITY AND TRUTH… by the way IM A HYDERABADI AND I DONT WANT TELANGANA

Reply 89. Nag says: March 24, 2010 at 5:06 am

Hi Sriram,

Sometime back I heard the songs from Pawankalyan film, Allu argun films claiming that they are hyderbadi ladkas in songs…but we know the facts where they are from…If AP was not formed in 1956 these film songs would have been like ” Madrasi Ladka instead of Hyd ladka..”, we know where the Telugu films came from & all know how they are claiming themselves..

We know what true hyderabdi wishing for..Telangana is Hyderabad & Hyderabad is Telangana! simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 21/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… Good Luck!

Reply 90. deefeye says: March 24, 2010 at 8:41 am

@sriram

you are absolutely right.

you hit the nail on the head.

when someone comments for which they do not have a logical reply they abuse.

they think by discussing amongst themselves, patting each other on the back , parrotting and repeating half baked points and statistics , they will get telangana.

they are sadly mistaken.

read the so called articles by sheena roy etc , just one side of the story and they go ga ga over it.

skc will be a big let down for them.

Reply 91. bharat says: March 24, 2010 at 8:48 am

mr sriram we also thank u for not being part of our discussion

Reply 92. bharat says: March 24, 2010 at 8:49 am

JAI TELANGANA JAI JAI HIND

Reply 93. AbdulMuqtadir Syed says: March 24, 2010 at 10:25 am

@DF, can you pls. pove the ‘false’ statements in Sheena’s letter to SKC? Or at least give us the Telangana people who were apopinted to the positions she had mentioned, or the elected to the assembly positions she had mentioned, or the data u r challenging can u give the ‘real’ and ‘actual’ statistics? Which ‘irrigation’ project completed in Telangana? Come on man don’t be cynical, concerning the abusive language I have said on several ocassions I hate that and I am not part of such wordings.

Reply 94. gopal says: March 24, 2010 at 10:36 am

Good Sriram,you have mirrored what a few Hyderabadis feel.Let me narrate a small thing here for u.my immediate neighbours case.the old man retired from some govt dept and aged 75.he has son and a daughter both married and have a two portion small house and they all live in that house.they get up by 8.30 am and have break fast by 1200.they cook lunch by 3 pm and have it by 4 pm and go to sleepand get up by 8 pm after the dusk.after relaxing a while they prepare dinner and have it by 12.30 am and go to sleep by 1.30.or 2.00 am and get up by 8.00 am ! both the son and his son in law never go to work.they are depending on their fore father’s wealth and enjoying life like that.They respect the seemandhras like any thing, bcz they say it is because with their coming and conjesting Hyderabad the property values have gone up and with such windfall income they made a lot of money and enjoying life like this!So these few lazy ppl dont want telangana else their paradise will be lost.But it is not the case with a majority of Hyderabadis or with the majority telanganites.so telangana opponents wake up,open your eyes and try to see reason.This replies to all srirams,deefeys and geefeys !we are living in democracy and “majority is order in democracy”.jai T jai jai T jai Hind.

Reply 95. Prakash says: March 24, 2010 at 10:38 am

Koti ratanala veena naa Telangana: Dasaradhi

@sriram March 19th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

I don’t know if you are still there but just in case you are still watching these “useless discussions”:

- Do you know any other sites with “usefull discussions” please? If yes, I would like to go & participate in these sites - You are making 6 observations. Are these only for Telangana supporters? What about anti-Telangana guys posting here? simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 22/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… @deefeye March 24th, 2010 at 8:41 am

- I understand you agree with sriram about these “useless discussions’. Do you also support his intention to stop “wasting precious ttym”? - Repeating my question for you too: Do you know any other sites with “usefull discussions” please? If yes, I would like to go & participate in these sites

Reply 96. deefeye says: March 24, 2010 at 10:41 am

@gopal

what a stupid example. not worth any further comments.

Reply 97. bharat says: March 24, 2010 at 10:52 am

Excellent Eye Opener Gopal. Only people with humanity and plain brains can understand the anguish of others.

Jai TELANGANA Jai Jai HIND

Reply 98. gopal says: March 24, 2010 at 10:52 am

Df,stupid ppl see every thing stupid only.”yadbhavam thadbhavathi”your mental faculties are not developed enough to catch the central idea.so it is utter stupidity on you part that fails you continuously.And iam no longer ging to argue with you bcoz the ppl might not know the difference,bcoz there is a proverb”Never argue with fools,the ppl may not know the difference”.So ‘batcha,jaa aur apni maa se kaho ke tumhe ghutti pilaye’

Reply 99. mamu says: March 24, 2010 at 11:00 am

@gopal, Arey yaar Gopu kya dialogue bolareih saala phir kabhi koyi bi terese argue nahin kareinge.

Gopu aur dialogue hain toh bol mast hain teri kahi

Reply 100. gopal says: March 24, 2010 at 11:08 am

mamu saheb,”aage aage dekho hotha hai kya,koi lathonka bhooth baathonse nanhi manetho kare kya”

Reply 101. Prakash says: March 24, 2010 at 11:13 am

Mamujaan, long time no see. We are missing you & your sher-o-shayari!

My farmaish: something nice about this daga star chillajeevi please

Reply 102. mamu says: March 24, 2010 at 11:22 am

@Prakash, Jara busy tha yaar. Tumhari farmaish main jaroor pura karoonga, sirf chiranjeevi hi nahin JP ke bare me bhi karoonga.

@gopu chal beta saalonki chaddi utharenge

Reply 103. cindrella bhagat says: March 24, 2010 at 11:20 pm

I do not understand what JP writes or speaks about. I only understand that he is a hypocrite, nothing more and nothing less. It is easy to tell a population of 8 crores in TV/or from a Party office that decentralisation of districts/mandals only will result in the development of the state. I remember, that this same JP was highly frustrated in the Assembly when DR YSR and Chandra Babu were fighting with each other, slinging mud on each other and stalling the proceedings every now and then. It is happening now also, and these people like Chiranjeevi/JP cannot make themselves audible in a big assembly. In fact formation of Telangana is in a way decentralisation, by itself, we are splitting the existing assembly in a way to almost half.

Any production supervisor who has seen a process industry in his life would very easily say that an industry needs more electrical power and power round the simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 23/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… clock unlike agricultural production. As Hyderabad is densely thick in industries( resulting in pollution than can be contained), it is consuming more electricity.Let us also realise that the majority of the state’s BPO’s and Call centres are in Hyd which work round the clock.Hence more electrical consumption. What is GDP? If Haldia in WB has big industrial giants, with operating personnel all over from India (who keep sending their salaries to their families in India), does this mean that Haldia is rich? Sheer nonsense, the same rule applies to Reliance Petroleum, and other giant complexes in and around Surat. The contract labour and the bottom managements only belong to the local areas, who draw very meagre salaries and do not contribute at all to the GDP of the city. In this case too, many a companies in Hyderabad have people from Andhra/R Seema and other parts of the country working. Undavalli/JP can consider themselves to be columbus in discovering something which is not existing, and by saying that Telangana is rich. If what they say is correct, lets say OK, and we want our Hyderabad to give the revenue to our Telangana districts like Mahaboobnagar, Adilabad etc. Let Srikakulam and Godavari districts share some revenue from Vizag/Vijayawada.

Reply 104. khan says: March 25, 2010 at 10:16 am

Bhagat, Why do u think Hyderabad revenue will go to only Telangana. Let us do one thing. The tax that SAs pay will go to SA, and the tax Ts pay will go to Telangana. There will be no dispute.

Reply 105. raghu says: March 25, 2010 at 10:32 am

@Khan Fool bhai, all 10 districts revenue of Telangana should be spent on Telangana only its part of Gentlemens Agreement, ek bar padketo dekho, bina pata hue pagal ki tara mat bat karo

Reply 106. cindrella bhagat says: March 25, 2010 at 12:15 pm

Khan Bhai, you seem to have understood, but only partially. Like you said, similar things will happen, in the future. SA’s tax will go SA, and T tax will go T in the near future after T creation. Hyderabad’s revenue shall get shared by the 10 Districts of T, once the state is created.

Reply 107. khan says: March 25, 2010 at 3:09 pm

Bhagat, that never happens. Think more practically. Will the centre dare to antagonize one complete section of people by taking so partial decision. They would not especially when the other party is rich.

Reply 108. cindrella bhagat says: March 25, 2010 at 5:33 pm

Khan Bhai,

You are making a mistake again. The centre is not losing anything, it will have to concede to two cm’s as agaisnt one today. If it cannot antagonize Seema Andhra, so it cannot antagonize Telangana. As it had announced already, it will cajole SA to heed for T creation.This sounds more practical than anything, and SA representatives too are seeing rationale in this. Remember what Botsa, Harsha Kumar, JC are advocating.

Reply 109. gopal says: March 26, 2010 at 9:14 am

Bhagat what u say is perfectly right. So why dont you sendin in more of such enlightening information that can be stuffed into the empty heads of these seemandhras ?

Reply 110. jagan says: March 31, 2010 at 2:11 am

Check this site for more information on development of different regions of AP in terms of actual numbers and also percentages.

http://myteluguroots.com/

Reply 111. telanganaraj says: March 31, 2010 at 2:48 am

@jagan simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 24/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… once again people can play with numbers like everywhich way they want,they might be true or might be false,but he is just like you and me.

what i can tell you is go to villages of telangana and see the condition with your own eyes,talk to govt employees of telanagana,talk to lawyers of telangana,talk to every telanganite about the insult to thier language and culture by the media and movies.. you can fool people by misleading statistics,you cant have statistics for self respect..telangana fight is for indiscrimination,self respect and self rule.

Reply 112. jagan says: March 31, 2010 at 4:12 am

Firstly we should demand government to officially provide data regarding the statistics of development in all regions for the past 54 yrs - both numbers and percentages.

Only then this issue will be clear.

I understand telangana is not in pace with Andhra, even though it is better than Rayalaseema.

Also some parts of Telangana are backward but so are some parts of andhra and most parts of rayalaseema.

But we need to look at telangana 50 years back; underneath all the glamor of Nizam, his state GDP and facilities of hyderabad, there was abject poverty in telangana for which the nizam was the sole resposibility.

His beautification of the places near to him, fuedal system, ridiculous taxes from 25% to 300%, nazaranas, other crisis taxes, alcohol etc exploited the people

The telangana peasent revolt is clear standing evidence to this exploitation.

Now coming to the language and culture,self respect

Language & Culure:

The culture and language has come suddenly in telangana region.

All telugus had similar culture and language since even before christ came to earth.

Telangana: means land between the 3 lingas representing the Shiva temples of Kaleswaram, Srisailam, and Draksharamam and telugu is language spoken by them.

So telangana is almost the entire of today’s AP region.

And Andhra is the tribe lived in that land – so Telanganas and Andhras almost interchange words.

During Nizam’s rule, the telugu speaking parts of state were called telangana region to distingush it from other regions.

Most of the organizations by telugu speaking people in hyderabad has Andhra word – Most famous among them is Nizam Andhra Mahasabha which played important role in the telangana peasent revolt. Leading extremist(I mean against Nizam) member of Nizam Andhra Mahasabha is Shri. Raavi Narayana Reddy.

Andhra indicate a tribe/group of people rather than what it is used now for region.

Now coming back to your topic,

I must agree that under the muslim rule, the language, lifestyle and some traditions have been blended slightly with the muslim culture/language but that does not make us different at all.

It is a different flavor, you can see different flavors even between rayalaseema and so called andhra region. Even in andhra you will different language flavor between nothern parts and southern parts.

But it is of no reason to seperate and fight with each other and even abuse and hate each other as if we are hating a different nation. I suspect if some of these hate loving people, hate so called andhras more than pakisthanis.

We were together till the Nizams came – may be, you forgot that. Remember the kakatiyas had no notion of seperate telangana. They established the telugu nation.

We are a nation built on common values of origin, culture, heritage and not on the later developed differences; we would have been 600 countries if that was not he motive.

Coming to self respect, dialect discrimination is most important.

I would have to agree to some extent that the dialect of telangana was not treated with due respect. But that was same case with other dialects too like the one in Uttarandhra and also one in Rayalaseema. simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 25/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… It is the same case across all states in India.

This is because scholars and other pundits and even people think that the language has lost it purity, had foriegn interferences etc…

In any case, however may be the perceptions and however wide spread the malaise is, that will not make the malaise – a good thing that has to continued.

We need to keep in check the malaise, eradicate it. We need to bring in laws of discrimination against such language dialects, insults, mockery.

But a seperate state for this and even the hate propaganda cannot justified in any way.

Coming back to self respect,

Self respect is dented when people are not given equal oppurtunity, fundamental rights, when not treated equally and respectably etc…

So regarding the other aspects of self-respect, I don’t think, people of Nizam’s telangana are denied anything.

The Indian constitution was framed to protect the self respect of all individuals of india – whether minority or majority, whether backward or forward etc..

Whether telangana was given step-motherly treatment, whether all the facets of telangana people’s self respect was dented severly has been proven by the real official statistics released by the government of India regarding the development of each region since 1956.

And this is the importance of statistics, my friend. Actual data which represents development or negligence.

Emotions can be manipulated by the evil minded politicians and existing poverty can be used to incite brother against brother and bolster the Hate propaganda by blaming others. They have tactically discounted themselves from the resposibility of the backwardness of their regions.

They are in fact the ones that are responsible for the backwardness of their region. Most of these people were in power(atleast elected) for the past 10-15 years.

Do you think even 1% of all these politicans who play the blame game,erouse emotions etc are not corrupt. All of them are corrupt to the core and using us for political wins.

If all stricken poverty people emotions are aroused, this country will be broken in to peices, why go to country even andhra and telangana will be further broken into peices.

Development comes when corruption is eradicated, when we plan to welfares that will benefit all people, when we plan with long term vision.

And not when we fight against over issues that can be solved with co-operation and non-prejudiced view of reality.

We cannot develop by hating our neighbors, blaming them for our poverty forgetting that the resposible people are actually in our house.

Reply 113. jagan says: March 31, 2010 at 4:26 am

Also Self respect is very different than wish. Self respect is not something so abstract;

I am sure Self respect cannot be measured but definitely it can be determined whether the self respect of group of people, region has been respected, satisfied etc… that is what the constitution of India or most nations intends to satisfy/provide.

Demand for Self rule is made usually by a group of people who are different than others, whose values, goals, ideals are very different from others, but here we are all indeed a group who have basically the same origin, values, idealogy, culture, language, traditions etc…

Reply 114. Sriram says: June 1, 2010 at 11:24 am

Dear Sujai, the analogy you gave is wrong. Here the comparison should not be between different countries and not at all between a richest and the poorest of those countries. Here the comaprison is between districts of same state. Had you at least compared between the states of USA , then you would have seen how the difference in growth rates are imporatnt. India is home for 50% of the world poor, 70% of blind and 50% of world illeterates. In India AP is a backword state. In fact we rank below even in Rajasthan, which was once considered poorest and part of BIMARU states. If you see poverty, illetaracy, unemployemnt etc around you, it is a norm and not an exception. Our per capita is just about half of what US spend on their pet dog. Try put things in perspective then you will realize either it is Adilabad or Visakha, still their average income is less than a pet dog. Your comparison of Iraq with USA shows your intellectual limitations. JP was absolutely accurate comparing the growth rates because, the baseline for all the regions in AP is about the same. Again, you simply proved nothing.

Reply simplytelangana.com/…/is-jp-correct-lies… 26/29 18-02-2011 Is JP Correct ? Lies, Damned Lies and Stat… 115. akhil says: July 23, 2010 at 6:52 pm

Dear Sujai,

I agree with ur logic that development of a region cannot be inferred only from the growth rates BUT still JP has a point.

Andhra & Telangana regions started living together from 1 November 1956. Both the regions were not equally welloff when they got united. Only Hyd was well developed by Nizam (bcz he was living there) and most of the other regions were neglected.

On the contrary, thanks to Britishers, though Andhra did not have a city like Hyd., most of the region was well irrigated and relatively much developed.

Say the race between the 2 regions started between with unequal start point. despite of that, the growth rates achieved by Telangana is commendable. The difference in growth rates was maintained to bridge the gap.

Reply 116. ArvAch says: August 17, 2010 at 10:50 pm

By this standard of analysis, according to JP, there would be no discrimination against Indians during the days of the British rule. So, using his analysis, we should have continued with British rule.

JP keeps saying there is no discrimination. But discrimination is not the basis of separate state movement. It is the democratic aspiration of the people of the 10 districts who want a greater role in the development of their districts. It has now coalesced into a separate movement, since the citizen participation was not fostered.

Reply 117. ArvAch says: August 17, 2010 at 10:54 pm

One of the interesting points in the Telangana separation discussion is that of the Andhra claim that they developed Hyderabad. In 1953, when Andhra state was being formed, some Andhra leaders claimed that they had developed Madras and therefore wanted it included in Andhra State. It is only when Rajaji and Nehru put their foot down that this demand for inclusion of Madras quietened down. Similarly, when Gujarat was being formed, the Gujarati traders wanted Bombay to be in Gujarat, again with the same argument that they had developed it. None of those efforts bore fruit, and certainly current one asking for Hyderabad to be a Union Territory, will not bear fruit.

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