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990216 082365 00001 willy-g- - 11 : 07am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82575 ) } 00002 *The unpresidential president was exposed for his crimes and impeached . Forever . > 00003 Macer } 00004 *Seems you have true colors have been exposed . You are typical of the party of perverts , perjurors , and porno . You are as two-faced as your impeached leader . I officially censure your behavior and continue to feel your shame . 082366 00001 khkartc - 11 : 09am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82575 ) } 00002 *He hath loosed the fateful lightning of [h]is terrible swift sword . -Julia Ward Howe Doesn ' t this yasuoka fellow realize that it ' s impolite to interrupt a celebration ? His crashing this orgy of Clinton apologists--as they assemble to celebrate the survival of the Reprobate-In-Chief , as well as the imminent demise of the Republican Party--reminds one of a drunk redneck ' s doing doughnuts in the cemetery in his pickup whilst new-age revelers gather to dance and fornicate on their arch-foe ' s grave . How dare he steal their thunder ? 082367 00001 rogerfgay - 11 : 10am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82575 ) } 00002 *William Jefferson Clinton is guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice . They are felonies . They have also been established as high Crimes in the Constitutional sense . 45 Senate Democrats violated the oath of impartiality that is required to participate in impeachment trials to block conviction as a matter of partisan corruption . Of the votes cast lawfully , 81% voted conviction for perjury and 90% voted conviction for obstruction of justice . This is more than the 2 / 3 majority required for removal . Ex-president Clinton is still in the White House , a monument and constant reminder of the fundamental corruption of the Democratic Party . 082368 00001 shotty1 - 11 : 10am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82575 ) > 00002 marblex ; } 00003 *It is not just being accused that is sufficient for a finding of guilt with Mr . Roger Gay . He also only recognizes those on the jury that vote his way . The others are tainted and not qualified because they did not see the truth as he sees it . Imagine all the effort that goes into getting that single brain cell operating every morning . And you can understand his absolute unwillingness to be open to new ideas , ther is only so much room for thought with one brain cell . 082369 00001 marblex - 11 : 10am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82575 ) > 00002 roger : } 00003 *Oh , so you oppose governmental intrusion on in individual lives ? Funny thing , given your apparently full support of the public airing of President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky ' s private lives . Or , does the " governmental intrusion " you claim to oppose exclude individual values and morals and government peek-a-boo into private sexual behavior ? 082370 00001 royal_coachman - 11 : 10am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82575 ) } 00002 *So . . . what ' s everyone whining about today ? And can we start a pool about when this forum will find wind to a conclusion ? 082371 00001 bobgray22 - 11 : 10am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82575 ) > 00002 yasuoka4 : } 00003 *Can you at least come up with a new set of insults , these are not working in the manner you are apparently expecting . I know it ' s a stretch but there has to be room in your mind for a new thought . 082372 00001 willy-g- - 11 : 11am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82575 ) } 00002 *The unpresidential president was exposed for his crimes and impeached . Forever . > 00003 marblex - 11 : 05am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( #82363 of 82365 ) } 00004 *roger-Your blind adherence to dogma in light of the facts and applicable " rule of law " to which you claim such reverence , does not change the fact that neither charge was or could ever be proven . . . consequently , acquittal was not only the just result , it was the only result . } 00005 *REPLY ; It is universally understood that bill flinton was guilty of the crimes as accused . The debate centered on whether the crimes warranted removal . You should read what your own party is circulating in their censure resolution , it says it all . 082373 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 11am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82575 ) > 00002 roger , } 00003 *in case you haven ' t noticed , you ' re engaged in spamming the Forum ( i . e . reposting the same message ) , and willy-g , the word isn ' t " your " it is you ' re - as in " you ' re no Ronald Reagan " vs . " Ronald Reagan is your favorite B movie actor " . Also , remember New York elected Robert Kennedy ? We ' re all citizens regardless of what state we live in . And we become residents once we move to a given state . 082374 00001 rogerfgay - 11 : 12am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82575 ) > 00002 marblex - 11 : 10am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( #82369 of 82371 ) } 00003 *You are of course allowed to post your thoughts , but please stop posting comments unrelated to mine and including my name on them . 082375 00001 rogerfgay - 11 : 13am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82574 ) > 00002 halmbrown - 11 : 11am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( #82373 of 82374 ) } 00003 *See comment to marblex above . Same to you . 082376 00001 rogerfgay - 11 : 13am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82574 ) } 00002 *William Jefferson Clinton is guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice . They are felonies . They have also been established as high Crimes in the Constitutional sense . 45 Senate Democrats violated the oath of impartiality that is required to participate in impeachment trials to block conviction as a matter of partisan corruption . Of the votes cast lawfully , 81% voted conviction for perjury and 90% voted conviction for obstruction of justice . This is more than the 2 / 3 majority required for removal . Ex-president Clinton is still in the White House , a monument and constant reminder of the fundamental corruption of the Democratic Party . 082377 00001 rogerfgay - 11 : 15am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82574 ) } 00002 *It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . 082378 00001 dreaddilocks - 11 : 15am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82574 ) } 00002 *The world loves BC . BC was nominated for the Nobel peace prize . Keep driving that bus , BC ! ! 082379 00001 heimbrock - 11 : 15am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82574 ) } 00002 *A year ago WJC said 100% percent of the surplus should go to save Social Security This year WJC said 62% of the surplus should go to save Social Security . Next year WJC will say 24% of the surplus should go to save Social Security . 082380 00001 marblex - 11 : 16am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82574 ) > 00002 willy-g} 00003 *In fact , it is not " universally understood " that the President committed high crimes . Moreover , it is far from settled as to what offenses constitute high crimes in the Constitutional sense . Although some Senators and some members of the public believe that President Clinton committed crimes , many others believed that neither of the charges had been proved . Indeed , two levels of analysis compelled the conclusion that the President must be acquitted : those who felt neither charge was proved , and those who believed that although proved , neither offense constituted a basis for removal . I happen to be of the mind that neither charge was proved , since as to both allegations , elements of proof were sorely lacking : Prejury : no materiality shown ; Obstruction : no intent and no actual obstruction proved . 082381 00001 royal_coachman - 11 : 16am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82574 ) > 00002 Rogerfgay . . . } 00003 *Ah . . . you answered my question . Now I see what everyone ' s whining about . Thanks . 082382 00001 shotty1 - 11 : 17am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82574 ) } 00002 *Not Guilty . Not Guilty . Not Guilty . Not Guilty . 55-45 . Not guilty . Not Guilty . Not Guilty . Not Guilty . 50-50 . Enough said Roger Gay . No Case . 082383 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 19am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82574 ) } 00002 * " new-age revelers gather to dance and fornicate on their arch-foe ' s grave . " } 00003 *Do I detect a note of envy ? } 00004 * " It is universally understood that bill flinton was guilty of the crimes as accused . The debate centered on whether the crimes warranted removal . " } 00005 *Wrong It is not universally understood that Clinton was guilty of the crimes as accused . Those against removal from office generally agreed he engaged in certain acts , but many do not believe they were crimes in strictly legalistic terms , even low crimes . 082384 00001 k0cxc0 - 11 : 20am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82574 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 marblex 2 / 16 / 99 11 : 10am } 00004 *marblex , does the " governmental intrusion " you claim to oppose exclude individual values and morals and government peek-a-boo into private sexual behavior ? Government should NOT pry into the personal lives of Americans unless there is a societal impact because of the behavior . What Democrats need to understand is that it was President Clinton that opened the door to the sexual past of the accused , when it comes to a sexual harrassment lawsuit . At the urging of NOW and other lobbyists , Clinton signed into law the wide-open intrusive law that helps promote the " guilty until proven innocent " mentality when it comes to sexual harrassment . And what " gets " Republicans is that this intrusive law is good for everyone else EXCEPT the POTUS ! When the letter of the law ( that he signed ) is followed against him , it ' s considered a political witch hunt . When it ' s used against the average American male , it ' s considered " protecting " . 082385 00001 saichel - 11 : 21am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82573 ) > 00002 rogerfgay 2 / 16 / 99 11 : 03am } 00003 *Actually , I wouldn ' t have any other way . What IS hell is being a malicious , vindictive , witch hunter who will stop at nothing to destroy a man and his family . Of course we all know rightwinghaters wouldn ' t have it any other way ! You crazies will never get your fill of blood . And if that means setting the nation aflame , well so be it , right ! ? Democratic elections be damned ! Hateres like you and your ilk have found a " better " way : character assassination and impeachment ! 082386 00001 shotty1 - 11 : 21am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82573 ) } 00002 *I ' m proud to be an American . Our Constitution thrives even in the face of Republican attacks on it again and again . Either the Republican president Richard Milhouse Nixon trying to rig an election or the Republican Congress trying to overturn an election . 082387 00001 zamosz8 - 11 : 22am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82573 ) } 00002 *Clinton was found not guilty by a skiddish Senate . Fine , lets move on . But to honor such a man with such dispicable behavior traits shows self-delusion on the part of his apologists . Is this the standard you seek in a leader ? Are you really proud of it ? 082388 00001 shotty1 - 11 : 25am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82573 ) } 00002 *Anybody see Republican Governor Whitman running from the Right Wing Wackos of her party the other day . > 00003 bobgray22 - 11 : 25am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( #82389 of 82573 ) } 00004 *macer235 2 / 16 / 99 10 : 59am re : " You sure did , didn ' t you . Remember why ? Didn ' t you leave something out ? Was it because you had engaged in reasonable argument or because you crossed the bounds into nasty ad hominem . Check the post which inspired it , bobbin ' bob . " } 00005 *As a matter of fact I have , and in no way do I retract my statement . To repeat the sentiment : Any one who believes that it is a good idea , let alone good foreign policy , to throw missiles at other countries in order to distract the nation from a domestic dispute , or for a temporary approval rating increase , is a dimwit . If you qualify for the above statement , so be it . I will point out however , that at no time was my vocabulary reduced to vulgarity , merely critiqueing your thought processes . 082390 00001 macer235 - 11 : 26am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82573 ) } 00002 *Sorry , the above post should refer to Heimbrock , not halmbrown . 082391 00001 heimbrock - 11 : 26am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82573 ) } 00002 *A typical Clintonista , Crybaby spammer hypocrite has to continue to continue to harass anyone who does not agree with it : } 00003 *From : > 00004 Frank Glodek[SMTP : mace235@earthlink . net] Sent : Tuesday , February 16 , 1999 11 : 02 AM } 00005 *To : heimbrock Subject : Ah , such pleasure to repay your unprovoked nastiness as I did } 00006 *Hah , hah , hah , hah , hah , hah , hah , hah , hah , hah , hah ! Hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-hee-h ee ! There is no qualitative difference between your posts and your emails . A contributing factor to your hypocritical status is that you break the NYT ' rules ' just as ' Y ' did , i . e . it is against NYT policy for posters to engage in attacks via email . Quite frankly , your actions are more reprehensible than anything ' Y ' has done to date . 082392 00001 k0cxc0 - 11 : 26am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82573 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan The phrase " President Clinton of the USA " can be rearranged ( with no letters left over , and using each letter only once ) into : " To copulate , he finds interns " 082393 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 27am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82573 ) } 00002 *This is called SPAM It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . It must be hell to be a Democrat right now . Having no credibility whatsoever must be a lot like not existing at all . Honoring the esteemed author ' s request it will go unattributed . To paraphrase Boggie , " say it again , and again , and again . . . " Like a aromatic belch , it doesn ' t get any better when you keep repeating it . 082394 00001 marblex - 11 : 27am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82572 ) > 00002 rogerfgay - 11 : 13am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( #82376 of 82381 ) } 00003 *I can understand why , in the light of cold logic and facts , you would now seek to divorce yourself of your earlier embarrasingly incorrect posts . However , each of my remarks directed to you was based upon something you in fact wrote . For clarity ' s sake , I will include your remarks in the future when responding : } 00004 * " William Jefferson Clinton is guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice . They are felonies . They have also been established as high Crimes in the Constitutional sense . " } 00005 *Only in your fantasy world roger . In fact , President Clinton was acquitted of both charges , therefore , NOT GUILTY . Moreover , neither offense " has been established as high Crimes in the Constitutional sense " . . . it ' s determined on an ad hoc basis . A good number of Senators who acquitted the President concluded that neither was a " high Crime " and therefore , not impeachable . } 00006 * " 45 Senate Democrats violated the oath of impartiality that is required to participate in impeachment trials to block conviction as a matter of partisan corruption . " } 00007 *So , in your narrow little world , only a guilty verdict could have reflected " impartiality " ? How do you explain the vote of 10 Republican Senators who found the President not guilty of perjury and the 5 who found him not guilty of obstruction ? } 00008 * " Of the votes cast lawfully , 81% voted conviction for perjury and 90% voted conviction for obstruction of justice . This is more than the 2 / 3 majority required for removal . " } 00009 *Your math is obviously different than that of the rest of the world . On our planet , neither charge obtained so much as a simple majority , much less , 2 / 3 . Moreover , your flagrant effort to engage in post-hoc disenfranchisement of the majority of Senate votes ( which were to acquit ) demonstrates that just like the proponents of impeachment who claim to have respect for the " rule of law " , but who in fact , do not , you worship the " rule of law " only when it suits you . That you would even seriously suggest that a duly rendered judgment of the Senate doesn ' t count because it does not accord with your views , is ample demonstration of why the vast majority of Americans abhor the tyranny of the extreme right . 082395 00001 nowayoyos1 - 11 : 27am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82572 ) } 00002 *A Note of Thanks , from the desk of President Bill Clinton ( 02 / 12 / 99 ) Happy Lincoln ' s Birthday , y ' all ! Pretty ironic coincidence , huh , on this of all days ! They called him Honest Abe . Wonder what they ' ll call me ? ! How ' bout " Misleadin ' William ! " Haw , haw ! But enough about me . Now I must act humble and give thanks to the many people who have done so much to help me escape from the Jaws of the Law . First of all , I must thank Hillary Rodham Clinton ( future Senator from New York or Illinois or Arkansas or wherever they ' ve forgotten all about that 1993 Healthcare Fiasco ) . Hillary , I couldn ' t have done it without your totally committed enablement . Without you , no doubt I ' d be in prison now . But with you I AM THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE , FLYIN ' HIGH IN THE POLLS AND WAY ABOVE THE LAW ! I honor you . ( But don ' t get your hopes up , I still ain ' t sleepin ' with ya , babe ) . And let me thank Diane Feinstein for talkin ' tough about censure , even though we both knew all along that it was as meaningless as it was unconstitutional . And now that I ' m gonna get off scot-free , we can just forget about the " C " word ! Di Fi , love ya , babe . Special thanks go out to Lieberman , Byrd , Kerrey , and Moynihan . All of you acted quite dignified and morally outraged at all the right moments , but when the chips were down , you all got in line just like everybody else . We sure fooled those saps , didn ' t we ? ! Who was it who said , " Never underestimate the gullibility of the American public ? " And let me also thank my Northeastern Liberal buddies : Susie C , Olympia , Chafee , Specter , and Jeffords , and -- hey , you guys are almost as good as Democrats ! But don ' t get the idea I ' m gonna be nice to you now - as long as you ' re still EVILREPUBLICANS , I ' m going to continue to instruct Carville to have his way with you ! Now , I suppose I ' ve got to thank Frank , Waters , Conyers , Wexler , Schumer , Torricelli , Harkin and all those other guys who carried my water for so long . But look guys , don ' t get your hopes up . What I say under the duress of the moment DOES NOT necessarily translate into more billions for your many BIG GOVERNMENT programs . And to you , Harkin , did you really think I was serious about getting you the VEEP nod with Al in 2000 ? Dream on , farm boy ! But my biggest thanks go to the 5 guys I CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON : James Carville , Geraldo Rivera , Alan Dershowitz , Anthony Lewis , and Larry Flynt . Where would I be without ya , guys ? ! I could and can always count on you to back me up to the hilt , no matter what I do . And as always , you 5 have smeared my enemies and my bimboes with equal relish . I honor you . And before I close , here ' s to all those people I ' ve expletive-deleted over the years : Flowers , Jones , Browning , Gracen , Broaddrick , Willey , Lewinsky , the McDougals , Gingrich , Hyde , Bush , Dole -- I don ' t know which of you I ' ve enjoyed expletive-deleting more , haw , haw , haw ! Now , back to the champagne . Hey Podesta , bring in the new herd of interns and get me a cigar , will ya ? ! Very sincerely and contritely yours ( haw , haw ! ) , William Jefferson Clinton , First elected President to ever be impeached and totally get away with it 082396 00001 saichel - 11 : 28am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) > 00002 zamosz8 2 / 16 / 99 11 : 22am } 00003 *Be patient ! Be patient ! Republican hater will get a third crack at an impeachment witch hunt in a hundred years . Trust me , rightwinghaters will create another opportunity to plunge the nation into a constitutional crisis over trumped up charges soon enough . Maybe this time you whackos will get it right ! ! 082397 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 30am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) > 00002 macer , } 00003 *thank goodness I was writing a post when your diatribe against me came online . . . and I saw your correction first . . . no harm done ! ( G ) 082398 00001 rogerfgay - 11 : 30am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) > 00002 zamosz8 - 11 : 22am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( #82388 of 82388 ) } 00003 *Clinton was found not guilty by a skiddish Senate . Let ' s not let them get away with rewriting history , especially so instantly as within a few days . Even Senate Democrats admitted he was guilty . They did in fact , openly , declare that they would vote in a partisan block against removal -- even though they knew he was guilty . Even Clinton ' s defense lawyers spoke of his guilt . On the question of perjury , they said his responses were misleading , filled with half truths , and at times maddening . Oh -- well , if you want to describe lying through his teeth and refusing to answer questions with those words ! ! ! Remember that Senate Democrats didn ' t declare Clinton innocent . They ' ve been working for months at creating a censure motion to condemn Bill Clinton . They just told us quite plainly that they didn ' t want to remove him from office , no matter what the Constitution says . 082399 00001 royal_coachman - 11 : 31am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) } 00002 *Nowayoyo . . . Love that post ! Especially the part where you call Arlen Specter a liberal ! You da man ! 082400 00001 shotty1 - 11 : 31am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) > 00002 Bob Gray } 00003 *do you recall your god Ronald Wilson Reagan throwing bombs at defenseless Lebanese Villages ? You are a fool and I will ignore you from now on . A mind is a terrible thing to waste Bob . Stop wasting yours . 082401 00001 macer235 - 11 : 31am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) > 00002 macer235 - 11 : 21am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( #82387 of 82392 ) } 00003 *HEIMBROCK ( corrected name ) : Read your own message : 1 . It was you who engaged in unprovoked personal attacks on me on this forum . Did you forget ? Your very first post ( I hadn ' t adressed you at all ) whined of " crybaby spammers " and contained a link to an sight for the autistic . Right or wrong ? 2 . I had not even addressed you previously . 3 . Unless you refer to my allusion to your " Nazi-like " attempts at intimidation via ad hominem , my own posts don ' t contain any personal attacks . Forum rules say that ' s not allowed here even in response to personal attacks . 4 . Every single post of yours had contained personal attacks and name calling . See for yourself . 5 . I gave you a shotgun-full via e-mail off the forum but where does that violate the rules ? My e-mail came only AFTER a ton of name-calling form you . I had enough , so I gave it to you with both barrels . Heh , heh , heh , ha , ha ! I hope it gave you lots of pleasure . 6 . The only post of any comments by me which would constitute a strong violation of the rules was not posted by me . In fact , it was posted by you , so that if the sysop is displeased , you are the only responsible party . By the way , I ' m glad you posted my e-mail which surely expresses thoughts which many of us have had toward the constant abuse we get from right-wing crazies . I REPEAT THE LESSON IF YOU ARE HAVE DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING : Unlike you right-wingers , I don ' t believe in ad hominem or personal attacks as a rebuttal to " legitimate " arguments , however flawed they may be . My procedure is to ruthlessly dissect the flaws--a task at which I excel and I ' m sure that angers you . In fact , I don ' t need ad hominem to do that , unlike yourself . DO YOU HAVE READING PROBLEMS ? I NEVER said I believe in turning the other cheek and have warned you of that . To back down encourages intimidation . Nope , once you resort to ad hominem FIRST , the gloves are off--although only mildly so on line as in the first sentence to this paragraph . So : no hypocrisy . 082402 00001 taymar8326 - 11 : 32am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) > 00002 marblex - 10 : 43am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( #82343 of 82348 ) } 00003 * " Hyde is a known liar and hypocrite . The same man who defendant Ronald Reagan ' s repeated lies to Congress by claiming that " not all lies should be treated the same way " , insisted on a blind adherence to the " rule of law " when it came to Clinton . Hyde ' s selective respect for " the law " is evidence that Hyde believes he is best qualified to determine when and to whom and how the law should be applied . He ' s full of it . Let ' s not forget that during the trial , when it was obvious to everyone that the case was going down in flames , his argument of last resort was to whimper " we ' re just trying to survive with our articles of impeachment here " , and to moan and wail that the Senate was not treating him with " respect " . That he could claim , with a straight face , that these complaints furnished any credible basis to remove the President is laughable . That he now , along with the other losers on his team , are making a blatant attempt at revisionist history , is further evidence that he is no better than those at whom he points his stubby little finger . " } 00004 *Another ' rocket scientist ' who is amazed to find there exits on the American political scene , partisanship . As far as revisionism is concerned . . . get real , Bill and Lady Clinton invented the game . [14] text pages dealing with American history from The Revolution > 00005 WWII . . . [3] chapters relating to the N . O . W . and the great feminist struggle . Have mercy . . . you can ' t be that anal , or perhaps . . . Just a reminder as to where the real story resides . Just taking a stroll through my personal video / pictorial library on the presidency of one William Jefferson Clinton . As I ' ve said time and again my friends . . . This is the real story . Everyone on the beltway along with those holding the ' inside track ' know it . Has this criminal administration truly duped the public with their . . . It ' s all about sex hype ? ' In a meeting in Beijing last June President Bill Clinton , whose secret executive order sealed the fate of those besieged at Waco toasts former Chinese premier Li peng , who signed the order for martial law that led to the massacre at Tianamen Square in 1989 . Birds of a feather ? ' ' VP Al Gore attends a 1996 reception with Democratic fund raiser Maria Hsia [Now under indictment on charges of trying to hide illegal campaign contributions] . Master Hsing Yun [Whose nuns revealed to a Senate Government Affairs Committee that their temple illegally reimbursed donors after a fund raiser for Al Gore then proceeded to alter and destroy records to avoid embarrassment ? Uh huh , embarrassment . Look here , in the same picture we have ' our boy ' Dr . Ted Sioeng , L . A . publisher , major Democratic contributor and according to the CIA a [you guessed it] Chinese agent . My , my . . . what ' s this ? In the same shot we have our buddy [positioned between two Secret service agents] Johnny Huang , Lippo group exec . and . . . Well we all know about Johnny . You remember , the same man who when back home in Jakarta refers to President Willie Jeff as . . . " Our Man in the American Government " . Quite a crew . No ? ' ' What have we here ? We have The First Felon and Lady Hillary posing at yet another Dem fund raiser with let ' s see . . . Oh yes , it ' s ' Ng Lapseng ' Macu criminal syndicate boss and international pimp and high advisor to the PRC . It seems Mr . Ng [According to the related senate report] posed as the ' bag man ' in a conspiracy between the White House , the DNC and James Riady to but Web Hubbell ' s continued silence . [Photo courtesy of Senate Oversight Committee] . ' ' Here ' s another good one . [With a copy the actual Oval Office memo praising San Won Sioeng ' s publication the ' International Daily News ' which also publishes the ' Won Wie Po ' the PRC publication in Hong Kong . ] Sioeng ' s grinnin and pressin flesh with Clinton and Gore . Thanking them once again for illegally pumping more than 082403 00001 sapka - 11 : 33am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) } 00002 *He who has never denied having accepted a bj before throw the first stone ! Is it correct now , sponge ? ( spongeworthy1 - 09 : 07am ) God bless you and thank you for your help . 082404 00001 marblex - 11 : 36am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) > 00002 k0cxc0 } 00003 *For the record , I was responding to an earlier post of roger ' s . However , no judgment obtained determining that the President is exempt from any law . The conclusion shared by many , including myself , was that there was no evidence to sustain either charge . I ' ll be happy to explain my reasoning , if you like . The important thing is that no one would have been brought up on these charges in the first place , whereas the President was . Second , the " sexual harassment " aspects of Jones ' lawsuit were adequately and correctly resolved when the evidence showed that in fact , she had not been " sexually harassed " , as the law defines it , since she had not suffered any of the requisite damages for maintaining such a claim . Consequently , neither the veracity nor merit of Jones ' allegations is relevant . On both scores , Jones lost . 082405 00001 k0cxc0 - 11 : 36am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan Last week a very important meeting took place among God , the Pope , and Moses . They were troubled because the President of the United States was behaving in an inappropriate manner . They decided that the only course of action was to create an 11th Commandment . But the problem remained exactly how to word this new Commandment so that it matched the other Commandments in style and holy inspiration . After much meditation and discussion , they finally got it right : " Thou shalt not comfort thy rod with thy staff . " 082406 00001 patrickjquinn - 11 : 37am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) } 00002 *Maybe one of you " Excuse-at-the-ready " liberals can offer me a good definition of " MISDEMEANERs " , as it is used in the context of the Impeachment Clause ? hmmm ? ( why is it that you guys NEVER talk about this word ? ) ( just don ' t understand it , or are you just plain scared of it ? ) 082407 00001 saichel - 11 : 40am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) > 00002 nowayoyos1 2 / 16 / 99 11 : 27am } 00003 *A note of thanks to all rightwinghaters and assorted witch hunters . You have afforded us the opportunity to once again show the world that our Constitution can withstand evil man who hold democratic elections in contempt ! 082408 00001 samsmith7 - 11 : 41am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) } 00002 *Jacques Strapp ' s Law : The more deception & contempt the Clintons shower on their supporters , the more loyal those supporters must become . The record shows this process terminates when the supporter is dismissed , disgraced , jailed , or dies . So anyway , I ' m on this family outing when my nephew comes up and shakes my hand . Being just a pre-teen lad , RJ was unaware how his dead-fish handshake would be interpreted in the larger world around him , his DEMOCRAT dad having run out on the family . Swinging my left arm around to grad his right arm , I said , " No , RJ . THAT is not a handshake . Whaddya want people to think of you . . . that you are a MAN or a DEMOCRAT , " I asked as I shoved my right hand into his for a firm handclasp . He got the point . 082409 00001 yasuoka4 - 11 : 41am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) } 00002 *To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 082410 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 42am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) } 00002 *Here ' s a little suggestion to those who , despite the fact that few who don ' t agree with them already , read long posts , continue to fill the Forum pages with their mini-essays : Open a free web site on one of the many servers that offer them Geocities is one that is easy to use , Tripod and Xoom and The Globe are others . Then you can simply refer us to your lengthy posts with a summary of your main points here . Save us all time , and enable those who want to do so to easily read your thoughts at a later time . 082411 00001 catzeb - 11 : 42am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) > 00002 patrick - } 00003 *I ' ve seen acres of discussion of the word . Where were you ? And try to learn how to spell it ? Hint : It doesn ' t have anything to do with being " meaner " . 082412 00001 lucky085 - 11 : 43am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) } 00002 *Another important meeting took place between the devil and his imps . They decided as long as Ken Starr was loose on the world , they could vacation in Tahiti for the next 5 years and 50 million . 082413 00001 catzeb - 11 : 44am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) } 00002 *Once again today in its editorial pages , the Wall Street Journal is complaining that MOST AMERICANS are immoral , degenerate and stupid . Are they trying to increase circulation ? ? ? 082414 00001 southerndeb - 11 : 44am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82570 ) } 00002 * " Hey , Boo . " Miss Jean Louise Finch ADVICE TO A PROPHET by Richard Wilbur When you come , as you soon must , to the streets of our city , Mad-eyed from stating the obvious , Not proclaiming our fall but begging us In God ' s name to have self-pity , Spare us all word of the weapons , their force and range , The long numbers that rocket the mind : Our slow , unreckoning hearts will be left behind , Unable to fear what is too strange . Nor shall you scare us with talk of the death of the race . How should we dream of this place without us ? -The sun mere fire , the leaves untroubled about us , A stone look on the stone ' s face ? Speak of the world ' s own change . Though we cannot conceive Of an undreamt thing , we know to our cost How the dreamt cloud crumbles , the vines are blackened by frost , How the view alters . We could believe , If you told us so , that the white-tailed deer will slip Into perfect shade , grown perfectly shy , The lark avoid the reaches of our eye , The jack-pine lose its knuckled grip On the cold ledge , and every torrent burn As Xanthus once , its gliding trout Stunned in a twinkling . What should we be without The dolphin ' s arc , the dove ' s return , These things in which we have seen ourselves and spoken ? Ask us , prophet , how we shall call Our natures forth when that live tongue is all Dispelled , that glass obscured or broken In which we have said the rose of our love and the clean Horse of our courage , in which beheld The singing locust of the soul unshelled , And all we mean or wish to mean . Ask us , ask us whether with the worldless rose Our hearts shall fail us ; come demanding Whether there shall be lofty or long standing When the bronze annals of the oak-tree close . 082415 00001 tna1pada3 - 11 : 45am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82568 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " > 00003 mercenary4 2 / 16 / 99 9 : 52am } 00004 *Mercenary said : adaplant -- Here was the guy who thought Janet Reno could declare the Independent Counsel statute unconstitutional and fire Ken Starr . It never dawned on him that the AG was bound by the Supreme Court ' s finding to the contrary six years ago , but desperate situations require desperate actions . } 00005 *Which is a typical mercenary tactic : a half truth and a half bald-faced lie . Adaplant did say AG Reno could fire Starr " for good cause " and set out several possible " good cause " grounds . Adaplant did not say , suggest , intimate or imply AG Reno could " declare the Independent Counsel statute unconstitutional " . Only the Supreme Court may make such declarations . Adaplant did suggest that an argument could be made for the Department of Justice taking the issue of the constitutionality of the Ethics in Government Law to the Supreme Court under the theory that Morrison v . Olson ruled only on the constitutionality of the law as enacted but that the law as applied raised serious constitutional issues not resolved by Morrison . As is typical of mercenary ' s little , petty argumentum ad hominem sallies , his jealousy knows no bounds in honesty , integrity or forthrightness . Which is probably the reason he now hides behind a different handle . For any who didn ' t know , tna1pada is adap1ant spelled backwards . I ' m embarrassed for you mercenary . And dissappointed . 082416 00001 saichel - 11 : 46am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82568 ) } 00002 *Another ' rocket scientist ' who is amazed to find there exits on the American political scene , partisanship . } 00003 *It doesn ' t take a rocket scientist to recognize that henry hide is lying whor*monger who broke up a home with three little children . And who will excuse selling arms to an enemy nation ! 082417 00001 jlenar - 11 : 46am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82568 ) } 00002 *The impeachment verdict was justified and all should be happy that the President will remail in office to champion the business of the American People . I am in complete agreement with the verdict and feel that it is very unfortunate the country had to be put through this whole ordeal over an affair outside of the presidents marriage . The determination and resillience that he has shown throughout this event will serve to weaken the Republican party in the next election . The Mcarthy like tactics of Hyde , Barr , and Mcollum will also further deteriorate the party . 082418 00001 marblex - 11 : 46am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82568 ) > 00002 taymar8326 } 00003 * " Another ' rocket scientist ' who is amazed to find there exits on the American political scene , partisanship . As far as revisionism is concerned . . . get real , Bill and Lady Clinton invented the game . [14] text pages dealing with American history from The Revolution > 00004 WWII . . . [3] chapters relating to the N . O . W . and the great feminist struggle . Have mercy . . . you can ' t be that anal , or perhaps . . . " } 00005 *First , I would respectfully remind you of the forum rules : } 00006 * " People who engage in personal attacks on other forum participants , at any level or in any form , risk removal of their forums privileges . This policy applies to all who engage in personal attacks , whether or not they initiated them . " } 00007 *Second , if you mean to suggest that President Clinton invented revisionism , you are mistaken . Historically , politicians both left and right have subtly and not so subtly reshaped and reinvented themselves to win back public support . Notably , each attempt to subvert the government that has occurred over the last 100 years has been the work of the Republican party -- Johnson impeachment , McCarthy hearings , Watergate , and now , the Banana Republicans ' failed effort to oust Clinton . Each of these sorry episodes has been followed with lame excuse-making by the participants who , over time , have reshaped their involvement in a vain attempt to soften their roles . Hyde is just one example of the extremist who , having blatantly failed in an obviously hate-motivated attack , now shrouds himself in feigned " disappointment " with the American populous for failing to see things his way and the conveniently and selectively applied " rule of law " as justification for his transparent rally to treason in order to further the agenda of a rabid few tyrants . 082419 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 46am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82568 ) > 00002 patrickjquinn - 11 : 37am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( \82406 of 82411 ) } 00003 *Maybe one of you " Excuse-at-the-ready " liberals can offer me a good definition of " MISDEMEANERs " , as it is used in the context of the Impeachment Clause ? hmmm ? ( why is it that you guys NEVER talk about this word ? ) ( just don ' t understand it , or are you just plain scared of it ? ) at least we can spell it : Misdemeanors 082420 00001 bobgray22 - 11 : 46am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82568 ) > 00002 shotty1 2 / 16 / 99 11 : 31am } 00003 *At the time I didn ' t think that was a good idea either . You must have fallen on the dimwit side of my earlier statement . Ronald Reagan was no God , and certainly made his share of mistakes , but his mistakes were at least made in what he thought was the best interest of the country , Bill Clinton on the other hand does everything in the best interest of Bill Clinton . 082421 00001 samsmith7 - 11 : 47am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82568 ) } 00002 *Jacques Strapp ' s Law : The more deception & contempt the Clintons shower on their supporters , the more loyal those supporters must become . The record shows this process terminates when the supporter is dismissed , disgraced , jailed , or dies . Hey TOJO ! Those two bombs were appetizers . You ready for the main course ? Is it true the Japanese translation of " yakuza " is " office flower " ? I ' m curious about this . Good bye ICIBAN ! We are sending Bill Clinton over to alleviate your needs . Feel free to dispose of him as you and your yakuza friends wish . 082422 00001 jlenar - 11 : 47am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82568 ) } 00002 *The impeachment verdict was justified and all should be happy that the President will remain in office to champion the business of the American People . I am in complete agreement with the verdict and feel that it is very unfortunate the country had to be put through this whole ordeal over an affair outside of the President ' s marriage . The determination and resillience that he has shown throughout this event will serve to weaken the Republican party in the next election . The Mcarthy like tactics of Hyde , Barr , and Mcollum will also further deteriorate the party . 082423 00001 rmhs80grad - 11 : 48am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82566 ) } 00002 *Check out Jay Severin ' s column on MSNBC . com . He confirms the Zogby poll that shows that the voters ( not the public , of which 2 / 3 do not vote ) are split 50%-50% on voting Democrat or Republican for Congress in 2000 . This session of Congress will tell the tale . 082424 00001 macer235 - 11 : 48am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82566 ) > 00002 To Bobgrey22 : } 00003 * " Any one who believes that it is a good idea , let alone good foreign policy , to throw missiles at other countries in order to distract the nation from a domestic dispute , or for a temporary approval rating increase , is a dimwit . " } 00004 *Consider : " Dimwit " like " crybaby spammer " or " autistic " are surely personal attacks . " Spammer " here is used to refer to any arguments that diagree with the religious right . Only the first of those three terms come from you , the rest come from the Heimbrock . However , the sentence contains an outrageous argument that implicitly accuses those who disagree with stupidity . 1 . Except to degree that sentence commits the " begging the question " falacy there is no personal attack on anyone but Bill Clinton . Without a modicum of proof , it pretends an opinion is a fact . 2 . Who but an idiot would consider the policy you describe as " a good idea ? " There ' s where you attribute stupidity to your opponents by assigning them a " straw man " position--one which is easy for anyone to demolish but one which no one ever took . It cheats . This usually happens when the perp finds the actual positions too hard to rebut . If you want to rebut arguments , rebut arguments . You , Heimbrock and others must learn to attack the argument , not the intellect of the defender . By the way , I don ' t mind when it ' s done in jest , as is often the case here from both sides . Poking a little fun is ok , except with people who have no sense of humor . Heimbrock got outright nasty , so I gave him nasty in spades ( but did so off the forum ) . 082425 00001 k0cxc0 - 11 : 49am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82566 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 marblex 2 / 16 / 99 11 : 36am } 00004 *marblex , let me respond to some of your statements : The conclusion shared by many , including myself , was that there was no evidence to sustain either charge . That there was insignificant evidence was only to be found AFTER evidence and testimony was entered . the " sexual harassment " aspects of Jones ' lawsuit were adequately and correctly resolved when the evidence showed that in fact , she had not been " sexually harassed " , as the law defines it , since she had not suffered any of the requisite damages for maintaining such a claim . Again , you are commenting on the RESULT of the case , as reviewed by Judge Wright . The contention of most Republicans is that the entry of evidence was tainted by a direct result of the President ' s efforts to enter false and misleading testimony and his allowance of perjurous testimony to be entered ( of which he has an obligation to correct the record , if he has knowledge that the evidence is perjurous ) . By direct and indirect efforts of the POTUS , the evidence and testimony was tainted , and MAY ( and I stress MAY ) have altered the outcome of the case . Personally , I doubt it would have altered Judge Wright ' s decision , because Paula Jones did not " suffer " as per the statute . HOWEVER ( and this is a BIG HOWEVER ) , NO ONE , not even the President of the United States , has the right to ignore the procedure of law , whether or not the case would later be deemed without merit . This is where most Republicans have their " problem " with the POTUS . 082426 00001 taymar8326 - 11 : 49am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82566 ) > 00002 halmbrown - re ; 11 : 42am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( \82410 of 82412 ) } 00003 * " Here ' s a little suggestion to those who , despite the fact that few who don ' t agree with them already , read long posts , continue to fill the Forum pages with their mini-essays : } 00004 *Open a free web site on one of the many servers that offer them Geocities is one that is easy to use , Tripod and Xoom and The Globe are others . Then you can simply refer us to your lengthy posts with a summary of your main points here . Save us all time , and enable those who want to do so to easily read your thoughts at a later time . " Hey , here ' s a thought . . . if the water here is to warm , or to cold , take your own advise . ; -{ ) 082427 00001 saichel - 11 : 49am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82566 ) > 00002 patrickjquinn 2 / 16 / 99 11 : 37am } 00003 *Maybe one of you haters can explain how you became so invested in hating the president and his family . Maybe one you rightwingwhackos can tell you what pleasure you get out of making malicious allegations of everything ranging from bastardy ( a la danny burton ) to treason ( a la ronnie ) ! 082428 00001 nowayoyos1 - 11 : 50am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82566 ) > 00002 To marblex : } 00003 *you say : " President Clinton was acquitted of both charges , therefore , NOT GUILTY . " } 00004 *Yes , and they found OJ ' NOT GUILTY ' the first time , too . Look , marblech , jury nullification is jury nullification no matter how you slice it . You say blah , blah , blah , } 00005 * " ample demonstration of why the vast majority of Americans abhor the tyranny of the extreme right . " } 00006 *Hmmm , how about the tyranny of a liberal media that would have badgered a Republican from office for doing less than 1 / 3 of what Slick Willie has done ( e . g . , Bob Packwood ) . How about the tyranny of the hypocritical feminists who scream bloody murder if a Republican male l ( e . g . , Clarence Thomas ) ooks cross-eyed at a female , but who blindly turn the other cheek if a Democrat President engages in adulterous sex in the Oval Office with a young subordinate half his age ( while his wife and daughter slept upstairs ) -and then lies repeatedly about it under oath in 2 U . S . Courts , all the while obstructing justice to cover up all his lies . And how about the tyranny of the Congressional Democrats who admit the President committed perjury and obstruction of justice ( Byrd and Schumer , among others ) , but who chose to ignore felonies just because the economy ' s good and Slick ' s poll numbers are high . There ' s the real tyranny , and one day all you Slick Apologists will rue the day the Senate Democrats and a few Liberal Republicans voted to ignore the facts and the Law and committed the tyranny of jury nullification . And be afraid , Marblech , that day will come sooner than any of you think , for more and more Slick malfeasance will soon be revealed . Be very afraid . 082429 00001 shotty1 - 11 : 51am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) > 00002 patrick quinn ; } 00003 *The word misdemeanor ( not er ) is a misdeed less than a felony not punishable by death . Many crimes qualify as misdemeanors however they may not meet the level of removing the President from office . And in this case it does not even meet the rule of law . Clinton was " NOT GUILTY . " 082430 00001 samsmith7 - 11 : 53am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) } 00002 *Jacques Strapp ' s Law : The more deception & contempt the Clintons shower on their supporters , the more loyal those supporters must become . The record shows this process terminates when the supporter is dismissed , disgraced , jailed , or dies . For people too weak to imagine life or decision making without polls for guidance , only about 16% of Americans supported the Revolutionary War . The few led the battle for liberty then , the few lead the battle for liberty now . . . against the Rogue Regime of William Jefferson Clinton . Wonder when the First Coward is going to contaminate us forever with his presidential ( I use the term loosely ) LIE-brary ? 082431 00001 nowayoyos1 - 11 : 53am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) > 00002 To marblex : } 00003 *you say : } 00004 * " President Clinton was acquitted of both charges , therefore , NOT GUILTY . " } 00005 *Yes , and they found OJ ' NOT GUILTY ' the first time , too . Look , marblech , jury nullification is jury nullification no matter how you slice it . You say blah , blah , blah , } 00006 * " ample demonstration of why the vast majority of Americans abhor the tyranny of the extreme right . " } 00007 *Hmmm , how about the tyranny of a liberal media that would have badgered a Republican from office for doing less than 1 / 3 of what Slick Willie has done ( e . g . , Bob Packwood ) . How about the tyranny of the hypocritical feminists who scream bloody murder if a Republican male l ( e . g . , Clarence Thomas ) ooks cross-eyed at a female , but who blindly turn the other cheek if a Democrat President engages in adulterous sex in the Oval Office with a young subordinate half his age ( while his wife and daughter slept upstairs ) -and then lies repeatedly about it under oath in 2 U . S . Courts , all the while obstructing justice to cover up all his lies . And how about the tyranny of the Congressional Democrats who admit the President committed perjury and obstruction of justice ( Byrd and Schumer , among others ) , but who chose to ignore felonies just because the economy ' s good and Slick ' s poll numbers are high . There ' s the real tyranny , and one day all you Slick Apologists will rue the day the Senate Democrats and a few Liberal Republicans voted to ignore the facts and the Law and committed the tyranny of jury nullification . And be afraid , Marblech , that day will come sooner than any of you think , for more and more Slick malfeasance will soon be revealed . Be very afraid . 082432 00001 rogerfgay - 11 : 55am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) } 00002 *The big battle for the Soul of the Democratic Party is between hardened Communists , organized crime , and several extremist special interest groups who want nothing less than the destruction of western civilization as we know it . Then you have your common run of the mill sources of corruption . The unifying element that leads to coalition is that every group involved wants more unconstitutional expansion of federal power and reductions in individual rights so that abuse of power is easier and more profitable . But which will be the most controlling faction ? 082433 00001 saichel - 11 : 55am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) > 00002 southerndeb 2 / 16 / 99 11 : 44am } 00003 *Don ' t be sad ! The hell with your prophets ! The smiling nazi is still running lose destroying who knows how many more lives . DON ' T WORRY BE HAPPY ! Who knows what kind of pleasure he will bring you , and your fellow haters . 082434 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 56am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) > 00002 taymar : } 00003 *I rarely post long tedious diatribes ; if it is worth saying say it succiently . 082435 00001 samsmith7 - 11 : 58am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) } 00002 *Jacques Strapp ' s Law : The more deception & contempt the Clintons shower on their supporters , the more loyal those supporters must become . The record shows this process terminates when the supporter is dismissed , disgraced , jailed , or dies . Ok , am I the only one to appreciate that we just had President ' s Day and we really don ' t even have a president ? Perhaps yesterday should been one of the following : National Soggy Cigar Day Liar ' s Day Racketeer ' s Holiday National Day of Deception Blue Dress Day 082436 00001 spinthis - 12 : 00pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) . } 00002 *Nixon ' s advice to GOP " Always give your best , never get discouraged , never be petty ; always remember , others may hate you , but those who hate you don ' t win unless you hate them , and then you destroy yourself . " 082437 00001 taymar8326 - 12 : 02pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) > 00002 saichel - 11 : 49am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( #82427 of 82431 ) } 00003 * " Maybe one of you haters can explain how you became so invested in hating the president and his family . Maybe one you rightwingwhackos can tell you what pleasure you get out of making malicious allegations of everything ranging from bastardy ( a la danny burton ) to treason ( a la ronnie ) ! " } 00004 *Unreal how these brain washed idiots soak up this White House generated spin , join hands , march in lock step regurgitating this worthless diatribe at will . . . Amazing . > 00005 marblex re ; - 11 : 46am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( # of 82427 ) > 00006 taymar8326 } 00007 * " First , I would respectfully remind you of the forum rules : " } 00008 *If you are of the opinion that my comments constituted an attack , you are truly defenseless 082438 00001 samsmith7 - 12 : 03pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) } 00002 *Jacques Strapp ' s Law : The more deception & contempt the Clintons shower on their supporters , the more loyal those supporters must become . The record shows this process terminates when the supporter is dismissed , disgraced , jailed , or dies . > 00003 rogerfgay : } 00004 *And listening to Sen . McCain ( POW - Democratic Party ) signal his ideas about " corporate welfare " doesn ' t bode too well for the GOP , either . If McCain and his ilk are permitted to masquerade as Republicans , then I am your newest Independent . 082439 00001 halmbrown - 12 : 05pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) } 00002 *We have a winner The most ludicrous and telling post of the week The big battle for the Soul of the Democratic Party is between hardened Communists , organized crime , and several extremist special interest groups who want nothing less than the destruction of western civilization as we know it . Can serious posters on either side ever take this regular contributor seriously again ? 082440 00001 marblex - 12 : 05pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) > 00002 k0cxc0 } 00003 * " That there was insignificant evidence was only to be found AFTER evidence and testimony was entered . " } 00004 *Forgive me , I do not mean to be snide , but it is well settled in both criminal and civil law , that causation is a material element of any claim . Moreover , in the case of perjury , materiality is a vital element of the claim . Materiality can only be determined by examining the facts and circumstances of the underlying case and by determining whether the alleged perjurious statements were material to the case . In Jones ' case , none of the alleged perjurious statements were material . In the Grand Jury context , there was NO evidence whatsoever of materiality . Moreover , many of the allegedly perjurious statements made to the Grand Jury were not factual statements at all , therefore , no perjry . Obstruction requires evidence of " intent " as well as evidence of " causation " . Since obstruction charges rarely concur with the prosecution of the underlying offense , it is necessary to view the alleged obstruction in light of its effect on the underlying litigation . Consequently , not only is it appropriate to take a post-hoc view of the Jones litigation , but it is the only way to determine whether justice was in fact , obstructed . The point is that none of the alleged offenses by the President had any effect on the Jones litigation , therefore no causal nexus . It ' s an old adage of law : damnum absque injuria : no harm , no foul . To suggest that such matters could be prosecuted prospectively or , worse , despite an absence of evidence that harm was done , turns all notions of justice on its head . This is , despite the complaints of many , not a " Christian " nation ( although I dare say , any real Christial would balk at the rampant absolutism of the rabid right ) and , therefore , the mere fact that one is accused , or has engaged in conduct that might be viewed as " wrongful " does not turn it into a crime , much less , an impeachable offense . It is well settled that Jones ' lawyers were fully briefed by the estimable Tripp before Clinton ' s deposition and , therefore knew that Clinton ' s relationship with Monica Lewinsky would furnish no relevant , much less , material evidence to support their client ' s case . Their claim of a " good faith basis " to pursue this information , was stripped of all credibility in light of this fact , coupled with the inescapable fact that it was always known to Jones ' attorneys that she had suffered NO damages as a result of the conduct she alleged . Her case was a paradigm frivolity in the legal system and would not have received a moment ' s notice , had it not been the identity of one of the litigants . Equal justice ? Seems to be selectively applied by those who think President Clinton should have been politically executed . 082441 00001 macer235 - 12 : 09pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) } 00002 * " MISDEMEANOR " IS A WORD WHOSE MEANING HAS CHANGED GREATLY > 00003 to patrickjquinn : } 00004 *I wouldn ' t get too excited about that word . " } 00005 *Of course , if you assumed that it meant the same thing to our founding fathers as it does today ( a very minor crime ) , you ' d have to find the president guilty of something . Even jaywalking would do . However , in English law , in early colonial law and in early American law , misdemeanor refers to much more serious crimes that what we mean when we use the term today . By the way , why do you ask why you " liberals " don ' t want to talk about this term ? As Custer found at Little Big Horn and as Republican conservatives found out in l964 , it is unwise to underestimate the enemy , particularly his coalition of forces . If right-wing conservatives confer only among themselves , stick to freeper forums or even come here in droves , they will get a misimpression of their own strength and their opponents ' weaknesses . " Liberals " is far too limiting a term for opponents of the religious right . I hate classifications , but I ' d regard myself as moderate conservative or moderate right . I believe in a strong defense . If I were on the bench , I ' d be a " prosecutor ' s judge " if you were shopping around on law and order issues . I believe the ACLU goes too far in its " either / or " assumptions in favor of individual rights over those of society . I despise the authoritarian left ( PC types ) as much as the religious right . I don ' t believe in busing , public housing or affirmative action . Does that sound like a liberal ? On the other hand , I ' m just as opposed to the authoritarian right , which is the Religious Right basically . I hate this Dirty Tricks stuff , and sneaky , partisan investigatory tactics used under " rule of law " pretexts that fool no once except those who wish to believe . Finally , I wary of any kind of absolute system of beliefs or ethics , which ( in theory ) allow for no mitigating circumstances and which implicitly involves the fallacy of degree . For example , to lie about sex is different than to lie about using ex-CIA types to burglarize the headquarters of political opponents . To lie under oath where kangaroo court justice is involved is not the same as to lie under oath in more respectable circumstances . Heck , even our own law recognizeds mitigating circumstances . We forbid murder but allow self-defense , executions and killing in warfare . Cicumstances make exceptions . Likewise , we recognize that my having first and second degree murder , manslaughter , etc . 082442 00001 samsmith7 - 12 : 10pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) } 00002 *Jacques Strapp ' s Law : The more deception & contempt the Clintons shower on their supporters , the more loyal those supporters must become . The record shows this process terminates when the supporter is dismissed , disgraced , jailed , or dies . > 00003 rogerfgay : } 00004 *I must grudgingly agree with halmbrown . Perhaps there is an explanation . . . } 00005 * " Soul of the Democratic Party is between : 1 . hardened Communists 2 . organized crime and 3 . several extremist special interest groups " Please explain this quadruple redundancy . Thanks . 082443 00001 taymar8326 - 12 : 10pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82560 ) > 00002 halmbrown - 11 : 56am Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( \82434 of 82438 ) > 00003 taymar : } 00004 * " I rarely post long tedious diatribes ; if it is worth saying say it succiently . " How clever ! Styles and preferences vary greatly among posters on these boards . If your lack of tolerance or patience with other posters makes you uncomfortable . . . Take your own advise . ; -{0 082444 00001 janiti4 - 12 : 12pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82559 ) } yasuoka4 - 12 : 11pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82444 ) } 00002 *TRUTH IN MORONIC SIMPLICITY MR HYDE ...... YOUR COUNTRY . . . LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT . GOT YOUR PASSPORT YET ? OR DID YOU HAVE IT ALL ALONG . AND IS IT A U . S . PASSPORT ? OH BROTHERS , IS THAT FROM MARX ? *Like I said , Ichiban , the first two were appetizers . The next two or three or ten could fall at any time we wish . If you want Guam , come and get it . . . we still have fond memories of Japan ' s last official visit to Guam . Unlike Okinawan women , Hawaiian women have never been subject to routine exploitation by Nips and they never will be . Get happy with that you oriental Clintonista . 082445 00001 taymar8326 - 12 : 14pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82559 ) > 00002 halmbrown re ; - 12 : 05pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( \82439 of 82443 ) } 00003 * " We have a winner The most ludicrous and telling post of the week } 00004 *The big battle for the Soul of the Democratic Party is between hardened Communists , organized crime , and several extremist special interest groups who want nothing less than the destruction of western civilization as we know it . Can serious posters on either side ever take this regular contributor seriously again ? " Gee . . . read the posting policy lately ? 082446 00001 saichel - 12 : 15pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82559 ) > 00002 nowayoyos1 2 / 16 / 99 11 : 53am } 00003 *Since you have yet to come to terms with the president ' s acquittal , I am going to let you in on a little secret : Your fellow rightwinghaters are having a Constitution burning party . . . . BE THERE ! ! ! ! 082447 00001 marblex - 12 : 15pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82559 ) > 00002 nowayoyos1 } 00003 *Those fervent few who would use any means possible to turn our nation into a rigidly and inflexibly controlled theocracy are far more frightening to me than any of those you have mentioned . The GOP should promptly abandon their overzealous absolutist wing , which neither seeks a " voice " in the democratic process , nor has any respect for it . They use their financial strength to gerrymander their districts and bully the entire party into self-destruction in order to further a " religious " agenda that the vast majority of Americans have repeatedly and vehemently rejected . Despite the overwhelming LACK of public support , they attempted to unseat a President , they have contempt for the Constitution , flaunt and disobey laws with which they disagree , and would turn our entire government into a bible-thumping pulpit of Puritanism . That ' s tyranny . 082448 00001 janiti4 - 12 : 15pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82559 ) } 00002 *TRUTH IN MORONIC SIMPLICITY HEY SHOGUN , HATE THE VERDICT ? 082449 00001 samsmith7 - 12 : 17pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82559 ) } 00002 *Jacques Strapp ' s Law : The more deception & contempt the Clintons shower on their supporters , the more loyal those supporters must become . The record shows this process terminates when the supporter is dismissed , disgraced , jailed , or dies . 082450 00001 mrjimcasey38 - 12 : 19pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82559 ) } 00002 *Somebody tell qausimoto to shut up and stay on his own ground , iffen ' he cain ' t respect my right to mine . Ya ' ll look what they done to Senator Byrd ! I bet he don ' t make no more silly statements about Mr . Bill ! ! ! Ha ! Ha ! . . . . Hoo ! Hooo ! ! ! They got him one ! Reckon they got a alligator for their trouble ? Let ' s ALL go trollin ' for alligators ! 082451 00001 taymar8326 - 12 : 20pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82559 ) } 00002 *Latest poll results ; A whopping 89% of fathers polled when asked . . . Would you leave your teenaged daughter alone in a room with Bill Clinton replied . . . Not no , but hell no ! 082452 00001 bobgray22 - 12 : 21pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82559 ) > 00002 macer235 2 / 16 / 99 11 : 48am } 00003 *The evidence was questionable , the timing was questionable , Bill Clinton ' s credibility is questionable , so the hypothesis that Bill Clinton ' s motivation is suspect is not that obsurd . The fact that you did take offense can not help but lead me to think that you believe Bill clinton ' s foreign policy sound . } 00004 *RE : " If you want to rebut arguments , rebut arguments . You , Heimbrock and others must learn to attack the argument , not the intellect of the defender . " If you wish to place your intellect above reproach , discarding the use of profanity , vulgarity , or sexual inuendo would greatly bolster your arguement . 082453 00001 mrjimcasey38 - 12 : 21pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82559 ) } 00002 *Somebody tell qausimoto to shut up and stay on his own ground , iffen ' he cain ' t respect my right to mine . Ya ' ll look what they done to Senator Byrd ! I bet he don ' t make no more silly statements about Mr . Bill ! ! ! Ha ! Ha ! . . . . Hoo ! Hooo ! ! ! They got ' em one ! Reckon they got a alligator for their trouble ? Let ' s ALL go trollin ' for alligators ! ! ! 082454 00001 phreek1 - 12 : 21pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 *The House Republicans , Fox News , MSNBC , etc have really done a good job in convincing 75% of people Clinton is guilty of perjury and obstruction . Not to worry there has been no trial in a legal tribunal . Clinton is GUILTY ! Even if I were a Clinton hater I would shudder at the power of the press to so influence the masses . Due process was turned upside down by self-rightous talking heads ( most had an axe to grind . ) America , I ' m afraid we are just as susceptable to propaganda as the Germans in the thirtys . Believe me , I ' m scared ! 082455 00001 tna1pada3 - 12 : 23pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " For any who may not yet have recognized the pattern , an observation : Our japanese handled ' friend ' , whether pseudo or not , appears , like Banquo ' s ghost , when his name is invoked , bringing with him ( assuming gender ) the same insubstantiality of Macbeth ' s spectre . Our spammer ( no , not rogersgay , the other one ) thrives it seems on repetitious antagonism . To ignore or not to ignore , that is the question . Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows Of this outrageous fellow or to rail . . . The answer is in the stars : Ignore . O proper stuff ! This is the very painting of your fear : This is the air-drawn dagger which , you said , Led you to Duncan . O , these flaws and starts , Impostors to true fear , would well become A woman ' s story at a winter ' s fire , Authorized by her grandam . Shame itself ! Why do you make such faces ? When all ' s done , You look but on a stool . 082456 00001 jondavwal - 12 : 23pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 *TO EVERYONE : I can only stay a minute . Just got off the telephone with the system operator . Yauoka4 ' s forum privileges are going to be revoked in a matter of minutes , so they say . They seemed stunned when I described what has been going on . I think they have a mechanical system that just ferrets out " dirty " words . Anyway , should it work , we will be free of him for good . 082457 00001 saichel - 12 : 27pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) > 00002 taymar8326 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 20pm } 00003 *The big battle for the Soul of the Democratic Party is between hardened Communists , organized crime , and several extremist special interest groups who want nothing less than the destruction of western civilization as we know it . } 00004 *Unreal how they let paranoid rightwinghaters like you run loose . You should be seeking treatment in a well secured asylum . 082458 00001 janiti4 - 12 : 27pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 *TRUTH IN MORONIC SIMPLICITY CLINTON RETURNS FROM MEXICO WITH INFO ON RIGHT WING MISSIONARIES . MAKES STARR REPORT SUITABLE FOR FAMILY CONSUMPTION . 082459 00001 halmbrown - 12 : 28pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) > 00002 jondavwal } 00003 *thanks for taking the initiative . 082460 00001 southerndeb - 12 : 30pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 * " Hey , Boo . " Miss Jean Louise Finch Ode on Solitude Alexander Pope Happy the man whose wish and care A few paternal acres bound , Content to breathe his native air , In his own ground . Whose herds with milk , whose fields with bread , Whose flocks supply him with attire , Whose trees in summer yield him shade , In winter fire . Blest , who can unconcernedly find Hours , days , and years slide soft away , In health of body , peace of mind , Quiet by day , Sound sleep by night ; study and ease , Together mixed ; sweet recreation ; And innocence , which most does please With meditation . Thus let me live , unseen , unknown ; Thus unlamented let me die ; Steal from the world , and not a stone Tell where I lie . 082461 00001 johnmark12 - 12 : 32pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 *Proud Progressive > 00003 taymar8326 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 20pm } 00004 *Only if I get 1 / 2 of the book advance . 082462 00001 collioure1 - 12 : 36pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) UPDATE - LIBERALS AND COMMUNISTS One thing we notice about liberals and communists are the traits they share 1 . Both think the state should run everything . 2 . Both disfavor religion . 3 . Both dumb down and brainwash the masses . 4 . Their chief executives employ secret police forces . 082463 00001 saichel - 12 : 37pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) > 00002 taymar8326 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 02pm } 00003 *Unreal how these brain washed idiots soak up this White House generated spin , join hands , march in lock step regurgitating this worthless diatribe at will . . . Amazing . } 00004 *Unreal how righwinghaters will justify republican philandering liars ! Unreal how rightwinghaters will applaud the sales of arms to an enemy nation but demand the death penalty for concealing a concensual bj ! " Unreal " does not begin to describe your sickening hypocrisy ! 082464 00001 halmbrown - 12 : 37pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) > 00002 saichel , } 00003 *actually that was roger ' s post , which apparently taymar agrees with . My point in also pointing out how ludicrous and telling it was . . . using more restrained language than you did , brought taymar to roger ' s defense . btw , taymer , I probably should have said " roger ' s opinion " , but then I am certain roger is quite capable of defending himself if he took personal offense . So how are things : A ) in your local party cell B ) in your Mafia family C ) the Red Brigade D ) More than one of the above 082465 00001 sapka - 12 : 38pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 *Could anyone explain to a foreigner how can " hardened communists " be a strong group inside the Democratic Party in 1999 ? I would like the woolyheaded who said that to explain me which group Bill Clinton belongs to . Commies , cosa nostra , extremists ? 082466 00001 k0cxc0 - 12 : 41pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 marblex 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 05pm } 00004 *marblex , so according to the law ( as you interpret it ) , one that is accused of a crime is permitted to lie , mislead , and not correct the record when false information is entered as evidence if they believe that the charges are either politically motivated or not significant . Is that what you ' re telling me ? Please further ellaborate the spirit of the law that the Democrats believe in . 082467 00001 georgia90 - 12 : 42pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) > 00002 halmbrown , } 00003 *the good news for Democrats is that rogersgay is now the image of the Republican party , one they would like to shake but can ' t because the party is owned by rightwing morons and imbeciles . Note the latest post by collioure . 082468 00001 collioure1 - 12 : 43pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 sapka 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 38pm } 00004 *Some operations resemble Cosa Nostra - bad habits imported from Akansas . Ask Kathleen Willey who dared to tell the truth . 082469 00001 georgia90 - 12 : 43pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) > 00002 K0 , } 00003 *it is quite obvious that you lack the literacy skills as well as the intelligence to understand marblex ' s informative post . 082470 00001 saichel - 12 : 45pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) > 00002 southerndeb 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 30pm } 00003 *With all due respect , DEBBIE , don ' t you think it ' s a bit late for serene poetry ? Besides , the smiling nazi is still out there . I am certain I will see you in action hurling mendacious allegations once again . I heard last night that the president and first lady owe $10mill . in legal fees . In addition to that , your fellow whackos have smeared his legacy . Doesn ' t that make you proud ? Aren ' t you proud of having been among those who perpetuated this unconscionable travesty ? And for what , debbie ? What great crimes did we discover ? We discovered that Bill Clinton concealed an extramarital affair . Take that to your grave ! 082471 00001 patrickjquinn - 12 : 46pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 * " The word misdemeanor ( not er ) is a misdeed less than a felony not punishable by death . Many crimes qualify as misdemeanors however they may not meet the level of removing the President from office . And in this case it does not even meet the rule of law . Clinton was " NOT GUILTY . " } 00003 *Thanks for the response , > 00004 shotty . } 00005 *You , too , > 00006 macer . } 00007 *I disagree with you ' re interpretation of English Law , macer . You ' ve tried to raise the bar on what encompasses a misdemeanor and how it was even used in English Law . This isn ' t surprising as it would destroy all of the " excuses " coming from the Clintonistas . I agree , > 00008 shotty , } 00009 *it IS misdeeds . And they don ' t even HAVE to be as serious as a crime associated with the term " felony " . There ' s NO QUESTION that Bill was guilty of MISDEMEANORS . . . . which is why the Clintonistas NEVER incorporate that term in their " excuse-making " . > 00010 Macer , } 00011 *one more thing . I can ' t understand how you have " bought " into this notion ( excuse ) that all he did was , " lie about sex " . You claim that we should look at the situation honestly . . . . so try it yourself . We ' re not talking here about " lying " on 60 Minutes about sex after the Super Bowl in 1992 . I find it reprehensible , but I DON ' T find it impeachable . I doubt that anyone would try to make that case . But you ' re equating what happened in an on-going Civil Rights action against the President with what he did on 60 Minutes . Sorry , . . time for you to be HONEST about the FACTS ! 082472 00001 halmbrown - 12 : 47pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 *UPDATE - LIBERALS AND COMMUNISTS from Collio . . . One thing we notice about liberals and communists are the traits they share Not bad . . . at least not paranoid hyperbole . 1 . Both think the state should run everything . Not everything , that would be communism ( which exists only in a few third world countries now as China slowly moves towards a hybrid form of government ) . But true that liberals want more government control than conservatives . 2 . Both disfavor religion . Comminism disavows religion , liberals are probably less religious than conservatives , and are without a doubt in favor the the separation of church and state . 3 . Both dumb down and brainwash the masses . Everyone does this . 4 . Their chief executives employ secret police forces . Like Nixon ' s plumbers ? 082473 00001 georgia90 - 12 : 48pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82558 ) } 00002 *I am very much enjoying seeing the discomfort of the whackos now that they have succeeded in propelling Clinton ' s ratings to the highest ever for any president this century , in inspiring people to pour oceans of money into Democratic coffers , in shredding the image of the Republican party among American voters , and in causing even right-wingers like Trent Lott to want to distance them . Who would have thought before the Monica scandal broke that the Democratic party would have received such a boost in just over a year ? 082474 00001 ebersson - 12 : 48pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) > 00002 sapka 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 38pm } 00003 *explain me which group Bill Clinton belongs to . } 00004 *Bill Clinton is merely an expedient , immoral and corrupt politician . And I guess I ' m a hater for thinking this . 082475 00001 sapka - 12 : 49pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *Now let me know the main groups inside the GOP : A B C D 082476 00001 saichel - 12 : 50pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) > 00002 halmbrown 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 37pm } 00003 *You know , at this point in the game , one righwingcrazie is as hypocritical and evil as the next . As far as I am concerned , they ' re all cut from the same cloth ! 082477 00001 halmbrown - 12 : 52pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *Clinton was guilty of one misdemeanor , with Paula Jones , and that was exhibitionism . That ' s it . Three months suspended sentence for first offense or at most manadated counseling . 082478 00001 lucky085 - 12 : 53pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) > 00002 collier } 00003 *Communists have much more in common with repugs with dems . Please retake polisci I . 082479 00001 jondavwal - 12 : 55pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *Only one thank you . You people are not very appreciative . Southerndeb : I think I overstated my case yesterday and I offended republicanok . Anyway , the b*tch is down the hall . I have another 5 minutes to receive my thankyous . 082480 00001 collioure1 - 12 : 55pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 georgia90 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 42pm } 00004 *I am a moderate , but I see through lockstep liberals as opposed to the honest , genuine ones such as Moynihan , Lieberman , Kerrey , Wellstone . The post you ridiculed has been posted here before . I do not asset that liberals support communism , only that they use similar tactics which I believe unchecked could lead to similar results . Recently we have learned that this White House has a secret police operation . Fits in with abuse of the FBI and IRS . ( Just matters of civil rights though . Nothing to be concened about . ) > 00005 southerndeb 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 30pm } 00006 *Quoting ( the ) Pope . Nice poem . Not sure I have ever read anything he wrote before . BTW what color is your radio today ? 082481 00001 k0cxc0 - 12 : 55pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 georgia90 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 43pm } 00004 *georgia90 , I guess the Masters degree I will be holding in June is about as much impressive as the 3 . 97 GPA I possess . So , let me speak in terms you will understand . Sit you @ss down befo I thump your @ss with my Bible . 082482 00001 marblex - 12 : 57pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) > 00002 k0cxc0 } 00003 * " marblex , so according to the law ( as you interpret it ) , one that is accused of a crime is permitted to lie , mislead , and not correct the record when false information is entered as evidence if they believe that the charges are either politically motivated or not significant . " } 00004 *One who is accused of a crime is not permitted to lie . But I ' m not sure I understand what you mean by " accused of a crime " . Until the articles of impeachment were passed , there was no accusation of criminal conduct . If you refer to the Jones case , President Clinton was not accused of a crime , he was accused of a civil tort . A litigant is not entitled to lie . However , a civil litigant is not required to volunteer information to an adversary . Litigants generally are represented by attorneys , who should have both the skill and knowledge sufficient to enable them to adduce the facts through discovery and cross-examination . When deposing an adversary , counsel must ask questions and follow up when appropriate . A reading of President Clinton ' s deposition reveals that Jones ' lawyers never asked follow up questions . In fact , during the now-famous colloquy of counsel regarding the proferred definition of " sexual relations " although Bennet ( Clinton ' s lawyer ) invited Jones SEVEN times to ask specific questions about Clinton ' s sexual relationships ( and the Judge affirmed that invitation ) Jones ' attorneys declined to do so , preferring to rely instead upon their own home-spun definition , over the objections of Clinton ' s counsel and , despite the Judge ' s admonition that she had never used and did not know the definition as Jones ' counsel proposed it , and her own doubts that President Clinton even understood the definition . As for whether a litigant is entitled to evade or mislead ? Read Bronston v . U . S . , a Supreme Court decision that affirms that the onus is on counsel to ask the right questions . To those who might criticize the legal process as being a " game " , all I can say is , litigation is not a garden party and a litigant is entitled to avail him or herself of any and all defensive tactics available in order to protect his / her legal interests . I frequently admonish my clients to listen carefully to the questions and answer only those questions asked . So , if someone asks you what time it is , you ' re not obliged to provide a history of how the clock was made . If you know the time , then provide the time . If you don ' t know the time , then say " I don ' t know " . However , if you ' re asked , not what time it is , but whether you know what time it is , the appropriate response is " yes " or " no " . Providing the actual time overreaches the question . Anyone who has ever been involved in litigation is quite relieved to learn ( if they have competent counsel ) that a deposition does not require bloodletting . . . it is a search for information in an adversarial proceeding and requires the deponent to respond only to the questions asked and not to volunteer or assist their opponent . In determining whether there has been conduct in the course of litigation that is criminal obstruction and / or perjury , however , it is entirely appropriate and necessary to view , as I stated previously , the conduct in light of the facts and circumstances of the underlying case . I hope this explains the point better . 082483 00001 macer235 - 12 : 58pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *I WROTE THE WHITE HOUSE SUGGESTING CLINTON FILE FOR CHAPTER 11 WHILE STILL IN OFFICE , PREFERABLY AROUND SEPTEMBER OF YEAR 2000 saichel to southerndeb : " I heard last night that the president and first lady owe $10mill . in legal fees . In addition to that , your fellow whackos have smeared his legacy . Doesn ' t that make you proud ? " You got that so right , saichel . And the public is still unaware of what the economic cost inflicted on Clinton and his friends by right-wing persecutors . It ' s too late to let them know about it after the elections or after Clinton leaves office . Let the public know at a time when they can send a message to the Right Wing vigilates . I think the public would be horrified at seeing an incumbent forced to file for bankrupcy because of persecution by Republican witch hunters . If bankrupcy ' s inevitable , Bill may as well time it right to get the message and he needn ' t deny doing so . The Republicans might scream but who else would blame him ? Let ' em scream . 082484 00001 patrickjquinn - 12 : 59pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 * " What great crimes did we discover ? We discovered that Bill Clinton concealed an extramarital affair . Take that to your grave ! " } 00003 *Sorry , > 00004 aich ! ! } 00005 *What was proved to a mathmatical certainty ( the DNA ) , was that your hero , your icon was EXACTLY what all his detractors SAID he was all along . A LYING , CHEATING , DISTRUSTFUL , UNPRINCIPLED , " $CUM-BAG " ! ( to your UTTER dismay ! ) 082485 00001 ebersson - 01 : 01pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) > 00002 halmbrown 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 52pm } 00003 *Clinton was guilty of one misdemeanor , with Paula Jones , and that was exhibitionism . That ' s it . Three months suspended sentence for first offense or at most manadated counseling . } 00004 *What ' s the sentence for aiding and abetting a money laundress ? ( At least you admit one of the crimes . ) 082486 00001 georgia90 - 01 : 02pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 * " A LYING , CHEATING , DISTRUSTFUL , UNPRINCIPLED , " $CUM-BAG " ! " } 00003 *You talking about Henry Hyde ? Bob Livingston ? Bob Barr ? Newt ? Helen Chenowith ? Dan Burton ? 082487 00001 georgia90 - 01 : 04pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *Speaking of Republican " principles " racism is undoubtedly one of them . Not a single Republican ever spoke out to condemn Trent Lott ' s and Bob Barr ' s association with a racist group , the CCC . 082488 00001 halmbrown - 01 : 05pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *Even during the height of the Cold War when I took one or another course in college , we were taught that " communism " was too broad a term to use as a generic reference . We were taught that there were differences between Marx and Engels , and how differently various countries interpreted Communist dogma . Now of course , only Cuba , Cambodia and North Korea seem to be really communist countries . Red China will be Green China before long as the almighty dollar proves irresistable to the generation of leaders that will take over once those old Mao stalwarts die off . 082489 00001 yasuoka4_ - 01 : 10pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 082490 00001 zamosz8 - 01 : 11pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *Clinton won ' t file for bankrupcy , besides he can always get money from the Hollywood liberals or the Chinese liberals . 082491 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 11pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 halmbrown 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 47pm } 00004 *Thanks much for the affirmation . Pay close attention to what liberals do in the name of separating church and state . It goes well beyond separation . For example , the possibility of delegating social sevices to faith-based institutions , school vouchers . . . There ' s an established pattern , and it is to destroy legitimacy of religious institutions in the public eye . BTW I ' m not a Nixon lover . In fact , I regret that Nixon ' s record is out there to make Clinton at least look palatable to some . Anti-semite , racist , paranoid . A disgusting man . Moreover , in no way do Nixon ' s plumbers justify Bill ' s secret police . But it seems you think they do ! 082492 00001 macer235 - 01 : 12pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *SHAME ON YOU ! That is , the party who phoned the NY Times to ask that something be done about our vandal from " Japan . " > 00003 Vegetius } 00004 *accused me of being a tattletale for contacting the Times via e-mail for the same thing . > 00005 HeilBrock } 00006 *accused me of being autistic and called me a " crybaby spammer , " the latter word being a reference to my frequent erudite posts I suppose . In the meantime , check Heil ' s latest in which he accuses all of us who have reservations about the recent Holy Inquistion of being " commies . " He uses big type and colors as usual , since he lacks the capacity to argue with prose alone . Oh , yeah , Heil ' s ticked at me because I sent him some nasty e-mail this morning in response to his ad hominem attacks . Last I saw him , he ran off wailing about how " bad macer gave me boo-boo . " He shouldn ' t have come up pounding on my back with those little fists when I was just sitting there watching the view . 082493 00001 saichel - 01 : 12pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) > 00002 macer235 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 58pm } 00003 *This will never end for Clinton , his family , his friends , and his staff . The most repulsive part is that the witch hunters don ' t have the balls to stand by their actions . Everyone of them beginning with the crazie right here on this forum , to linda ( moooooooo ) tripp , to bob ( abort that brat ) barr to henry ( philandering liar ) hide , wants " distance . " I am afraid this bs poetry doesn ' t cut it ! There isn ' t a single one of them worth the powder to blow to hell ! 082494 00001 zamosz8 - 01 : 15pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *The NY Times sysop has an obligation which has nothing to do with censorship . That obligation includes not posting the same message oh , lets say more than 10 times . That obligation includes the fact that this juvenile and racist poster has messages which have nothing to do with this forum . It would be rational , reasonable and professional by any standard to limit postings by one very sexually insecure person . 082495 00001 halmbrown - 01 : 15pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) > 00002 collio . . . } 00003 *Just who exactly are Clinton ' s secret police ? Or did I miss that episode of the X Files ? 082496 00001 nowayoyos1 - 01 : 16pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82556 ) } 00002 *A Note of Thanks , from the desk of President Bill Clinton ( 02 / 12 / 99 ) Happy Lincoln ' s Birthday , y ' all ! Pretty ironic coincidence , huh , on this of all days ! They called him Honest Abe . Wonder what they ' ll call me ? ! How ' bout " Misleadin ' William ! " Haw , haw ! But enough about me . Now I must act humble and give thanks to the many people who have done so much to help me escape from the Jaws of the Law . First of all , I must thank Hillary Rodham Clinton ( future Senator from New York or Illinois or Arkansas or wherever they ' ve forgotten all about that 1993 Healthcare Fiasco ) . Hillary , I couldn ' t have done it without your totally committed enablement . Without you , no doubt I ' d be in prison now . But with you I AM THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE , FLYIN ' HIGH IN THE POLLS AND WAY ABOVE THE LAW ! I honor you . ( But don ' t get your hopes up , I still ain ' t sleepin ' with ya , babe ) . And let me thank Diane Feinstein for talkin ' tough about censure , even though we both knew all along that it was as meaningless as it was unconstitutional . And now that I ' m gonna get off scot-free , we can just forget about the " C " word ! Di Fi , love ya , babe . Special thanks go out to Lieberman , Byrd , Kerrey , and Moynihan . All of you acted quite dignified and morally outraged at all the right moments , but when the chips were down , you all got in line just like everybody else . We sure fooled those saps , didn ' t we ? ! Who was it who said , " Never underestimate the gullibility of the American public ? " And let me also thank my Northeastern Liberal buddies : Susie C , Olympia , Chafee , Specter , and Jeffords , -- hey , you guys are almost as good as Democrats ! But don ' t get the idea I ' m gonna be nice to you now - as long as you ' re still EVILREPUBLICANS , I ' m going to continue to instruct Carville to have his way with you ! Now , I suppose I ' ve got to thank Frank , Waters , Conyers , Wexler , Schumer , Torricelli , Harkin and all those other guys who carried my water for so long . But look guys , don ' t get your hopes up . What I say under the duress of the moment DOES NOT necessarily translate into more billions for your many BIG GOVERNMENT programs . And to you , Harkin , did you really think I was serious about getting you the VEEP nod with Al in 2000 ? Dream on , farm boy ! But my biggest thanks go to the 5 guys I CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON : James Carville , Geraldo Rivera , Alan Dershowitz , Anthony Lewis , and Larry Flynt . Where would I be without ya , guys ? ! I could and can always count on you to back me up to the hilt , no matter what I do . And as always , you 5 have smeared my enemies and my bimboes with equal relish . I honor you . And before I close , here ' s to all those people I ' ve expletive-deleted over the years : Flowers , Jones , Browning , Gracen , Broaddrick , Willey , Lewinsky , the McDougals , Gingrich , Hyde , Bush , Dole -- I don ' t know which of you I ' ve enjoyed expletive-deleting more , haw , haw , haw ! Now , back to the champagne . Hey Podesta , bring in the new herd of interns and get me a cigar , will ya ? ! Very sincerely and contritely yours ( haw , haw ! ) , William Jefferson Clinton , First elected President to ever be impeached and totally get away with it 082497 00001 saichel - 01 : 16pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82554 ) > 00002 macer235 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 12pm } 00003 *You and I have something in common : The crazies have accused both of us of being tattle tales . In the meantime , I have been banned at least ten time ! repulsive mendacious hypocrites is what they are ! Every single one of them . 082498 00001 jondavwal - 01 : 17pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82554 ) > 00002 to macer235 : } 00003 *I don ' t care what anybody says , I don ' t think our " Japanese " friend belongs here ( not because of his message ) and th NY Times agrees . Anyway , I called the Times yet again and they said he is blocked now . I told them he just posted again . They said to call if anything else shows up . I will call . Vegetius can eat sh*t . This idiot it wasting my time . 082499 00001 lucky085 - 01 : 19pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82554 ) } 00002 *The repugs are despicable , hatemongering , law-breaking bigots . So what else is new ? 082500 00001 heimbrock - 01 : 20pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82554 ) } 00002 *Upon opening the last hate email from macer , every application that was open terminated . All work that was in progress was lost . Talk about vandalism Everything that was in the inbox has been deleted . A warning to everyone here DO NOT OPEN EMAIL FROM THOSE YOU DO NOT TRUST ! ! ! ! 082501 00001 maggie586 - 01 : 20pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82554 ) > 00002 georgia90 } 00003 *Who or what is the CCC ? ? I live up here in the great white north ( Ontario , Canada ) where hate group are against the law so I am not familiar with this group . 082502 00001 halmbrown - 01 : 20pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82554 ) > 00002 zamosz , } 00003 *on this rare occassion I disagree with macer , and think that SYSOP should enforce the rules when somebody flagrantly violates them either with spam or with vile postings which amount to cyber-hate attacks . Are crude racial attacks allowed on the Forum about the NYPD shooting ? 082503 00001 k0cxc0 - 01 : 22pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82554 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 marblex 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 57pm } 00004 *marblex , I ' ve read Bronston . However , you ' re missing something . An article of impeachment was passed to the Senate regarding Obstruction of Justice ( Article 3 : The president obstructed justice in an effort to delay , impede , cover up and conceal the existence of evidence related to the Jones case . ) So , your arguement that Clinton was not accused is wrong . Furthermore , the law requires a defendent to correct the record if evidence or testimony is entered when the defendent has knowledge that the evidence is false . Clinton permitted the affidavit of Lewinsky to be entered , knowing that the statements contained therein were false and misleading . However , Clinton believed that he should not be forthright because , by his own admission , that the charges were politically motivated and baseless . My point is that the law does not provide a defendent to make those decisions . It is the judges ' decision . However , with Clinton ' s acquittal , every defendent should now be permitted to make his / her own decisions about whether the testimony they provide is significant or necessary , and whether or not they should mislead or even lie . In fact , I will call my Democrat congressman to introduce it into law . 082504 00001 georgia90 - 01 : 22pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82554 ) > 00002 KO : } 00003 *Actually , the most impressive thing about you is the fact that you cannot even spell the name of the degree you claim to almost possess ( yeah , right ! ) . It ' s a " Master ' s " degree , not a " Masters " degree , and in your previous post , you misspelled the word " elaborate , " which only has one " l . " So much for the educational level of right-wing whackos . 082505 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 23pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82554 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 macer235 2 / 16 / 99 12 : 58pm } 00004 *A bankuptcy court would never be able to accept Clinton ' s claim of moral bankuptcy . ( but many of us could verify it ) 082506 00001 saichel - 01 : 26pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82554 ) > 00002 zamosz8 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 11pm } 00003 *It really burns you that Bill Clinton has loyal friends , eh ? I bet nobody , and that would include your spouse and kids , would stand by you in a crisis . They would dump you a la newty ( I abandoned my cancer stricken wife ) gingrich ! THAT ' S LOYALTY REPUBLICAN STYLE ! ! ! 082507 00001 halmbrown - 01 : 27pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 saichel } 00003 *and > 00004 macer , } 00005 *do you know what it is that you posted that led to being banned ? I think they have some kind of rudimentary Net Nanny softwear that roots out profanity and is mostly aimed at sexual content . Of course we all get around it by using ! for i and @ for a and varous euphemisms . You may have been banned for reasons having nothing to do with why you think you were . Or , I could be wrong . 082508 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 32pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 halmbrown 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 15pm } 00004 *I don ' t watch the X-files . Dick Morris has branded that group of less than wholesome private investigators that work out of the White House Clinton ' s secet police . Says they need to be stopped . Most disturbing - we have the actions taken against one Kathleen Willey at her residence , now traced to the White House . ( And no one on the left concerned about her civil rights . ) 082509 00001 k0cxc0 - 01 : 32pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 georgia90 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 22pm } 00004 *georgia90 , since you seem to be relatively new to this forum , I will introduce you to the spirit of these discussions . The idea and debate matter , not spelling or grammer . Everyone is permitted a typo now and then . But then again , with liberals , it ' s style instead of substance . Note : my forum name is k0cxc0 ( those are zeros , not O ' s ) , not KO . Is that understood ge9 ? 082510 00001 nowayoyos1 - 01 : 32pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) } 00002 *A Note of Thanks , from the desk of President Bill Clinton ( 02 / 12 / 99 ) Happy Lincoln ' s Birthday , y ' all ! Pretty ironic coincidence , huh , on this of all days ! They called him Honest Abe . Wonder what they ' ll call me ? ! How ' bout " Misleadin ' William ! " Haw , haw ! But enough about me . Now I must act humble and give thanks to the many people who have done so much to help me escape from the Jaws of the Law . First of all , I must thank Hillary Rodham Clinton ( future Senator from New York or Illinois or Arkansas or wherever they ' ve forgotten all about that 1993 Healthcare Fiasco ) . Hillary , I couldn ' t have done it without your totally committed enablement . Without you , no doubt I ' d be in prison now . But with you I AM THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE , FLYIN ' HIGH IN THE POLLS AND WAY ABOVE THE LAW ! I honor you . ( But don ' t get your hopes up , I still ain ' t sleepin ' with ya , babe ) . And let me thank Diane Feinstein for talkin ' tough about censure , even though we both knew all along that it was as meaningless as it was unconstitutional . And now that I ' m gonna get off scot-free , we can just forget about the " C " word ! Di Fi , love ya , babe . Special thanks go out to Lieberman , Byrd , Kerrey , and Moynihan . All of you acted quite dignified and morally outraged at all the right moments , but when the chips were down , you all got in line just like everybody else . We sure fooled those saps , didn ' t we ? ! Who was it who said , " Never underestimate the gullibility of the American public ? " And let me also thank my Northeastern Liberal buddies : Susie C , Olympia , Chafee , Specter , and Jeffords , -- hey , you guys are almost as good as Democrats ! But don ' t get the idea I ' m gonna be nice to you now - as long as you ' re still EVILREPUBLICANS , I ' m going to continue to instruct Carville to have his way with you ! Now , I suppose I ' ve got to thank Frank , Waters , Conyers , Wexler , Schumer , Torricelli , Harkin and all those other guys who carried my water for so long . But look guys , don ' t get your hopes up . What I say under the duress of the moment DOES NOT necessarily translate into more billions for your many BIG GOVERNMENT programs . And to you , Harkin , did you really think I was serious about getting you the VEEP nod with Al in 2000 ? Dream on , farm boy ! But my biggest thanks go to the 5 guys I CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON : James Carville , Geraldo Rivera , Alan Dershowitz , Anthony Lewis , and Larry Flynt . Where would I be without ya , guys ? ! I could and can always count on you to back me up to the hilt , no matter what I do . And as always , you 5 have smeared my enemies and my bimboes with equal relish . I honor you . And before I close , here ' s to all those people I ' ve expletive-deleted over the years : Flowers , Jones , Browning , Gracen , Broaddrick , Willey , Lewinsky , the McDougals , Gingrich , Hyde , Bush , Dole -- I don ' t know which of you I ' ve enjoyed expletive-deleting more , haw , haw , haw ! Now , back to the champagne . Hey Podesta , bring in the new herd of interns and get me a cigar , will ya ? ! Very sincerely and contritely yours ( haw , haw ! ) , William Jefferson Clinton , First elected President to ever be impeached and totally get away with it 082511 00001 hugsy - 01 : 33pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 heimbrock 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 20pm } 00003 *I saw that email you posted , quite the literary achievement . But of course we must remember , they are the good , kind , sensitive , politically correct , and caring people . And certainly , certainly not as Mary Matelline told her own husband on TV , the true party of hate . 082512 00001 marblex - 01 : 33pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 k0cxc0 } 00003 *The fallacy of the obstruction charge is twofold : One , there is no direct evidence of intent to obstruct justice . Although an argument can be made , circumstantially , that the President intended to affect the outcome of the Jones case , an equally credible argument may be made that the President ' s intention was solely to conceal an embarassing private relationship . Without criminal intent , no obstruction under many of the obstruction statutes . Second , the argument fails because there was in fact , no obstruction of justice . If the effect of all the allegations was nil on the Jones case , no credible case for obstruction can be made . Finally , regardless of Clinton ' s thoughts on the subject , he is not guilty of either charge . Let me illustrate with an example : 1 . You fire a gun into a body , intending to kill the person . Unbeknownst to you , the person is already dead . Therefore , you ' re not guilty of murder . You may be guilty of attempt . 2 . You fire a gun into a pile of rags , not knowing there ' s a dead body there . You are not guilty of attempt , since that ' s a specific intent crime . 3 . You fire a gun into a pile of rags , not knowing there ' s a live person there . You kill the person . Are you guilty of murder ? Not unless the circumstances of the case reveal that you were reckless . Manslaughter ? Possibly , but again , the circumstances would have to demonstrate that you should have known someone was there . Involuntary manslaughter ? Possibly . . . might even be reduced to negligent homicide . Bottom line : Each case must be examined on its own merits . Ultimately , no court in this country would convict President Clinton based upon the evidence in this case . 082513 00001 halmbrown - 01 : 33pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) } 00002 *hey > 00003 macer , } 00004 *you really a hacker ? I ' m not , but I do subsribe to PC Magazine and read that unless one opens an email attachment there ' s no way simply reading an email can cause a system crash . Again , I could be wrong . Wouldn ' t be the first time . 082514 00001 zamosz8 - 01 : 34pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 Saichel ; } 00003 *loyalty is usually a very positive attribute . It should occur when anyone needs a friend or is in a jam . It is misused when it is used to protect an obvious wrong-doer . As an example only ; a murderer might have a loyal side-kick , but that does not make this type of loyalty proper . Adolph Hitler had many loyalist supporters , that too did not make it right . Regards Gingrich , the story with his cancer-stricken wife is much more complicated than the simplicity you infer . Besides , what one person does wrong does not excuse another person ' s wrongs . 082515 00001 yasuoka4_ - 01 : 36pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) } 00002 *Bukowa Nihonjin Desuyo , honto ! Anatatachiwa Hontoni Chimaranayi desune ! Sayonara ! 082516 00001 saichel - 01 : 37pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 halmbrown 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 27pm } 00003 *I know for certain that I was banned for hounding collioure1 , the space cadet , after he made unfounded allegations about the first lady . He was very offended because I called him a space cadet . > 00004 collioure1 : } 00005 *Isnt ' that right , SPACE CADET ! ? Now get busy and write to the hall monitor ! You can start by saying : MONITOR ! MONITOR ! MONITOR ! SHE ' S SHE ' S PICKING ON ME AGAIN ! DO SOMETHING SHUT OFF DISSENT . . . . NOW ! ! ! 082517 00001 ainsley11 - 01 : 38pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 To halmbrown and othera } 00003 *Where has it been proven that Clinton exposed himself to Jones ? All we do know is that she put it around that the President had certain " distinguishing features " . Lewinsky said he didn ' t . Is Jones claiming that she got a closer look ? Or is it simply that the case was a fantasy from the start , aimed at the destruction of Clinton ' s Presidency . 082518 00001 bjklinton - 01 : 38pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) } 00002 *Never meet a woman who wouldn ' t suck . Huck-A-Billy Flynton > 00003 saichel 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 26pm } 00004 *Don Klinton : ( I ' ll make you an offer you can ' t refuse ) 082519 00001 bobgray22 - 01 : 40pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 jondavwal 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 17pm } 00003 *I agree , as much as I appreciate his right to free speech , his facination with american genitalia doesn ' t really belong on a forum designed for political debate . There are web sites and chat rooms all over the world where he can vent his historical and sexual frustrations . 082520 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 40pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) An old post relevant every day of the year : > 00003 keystone14 } 00004 * " The Clinton Presidency ( Archived - for reading only ) " 11 / 8 / 98 10 : 19am } 00005 *I work in the Federal Civil Service . The President is my boss and I voted for him twice . Having said that , I must also add that I have never worked in a more politicized and corrupt environment than the 6 years of the Clinton Administration . Is Clinton a good President ? No . Am I sorry I voted for him ? Very . And it has little to do with Monica Lewinsky . His foreign policy of appeasing tyrants in Iraq , North Korea , and China is slowly unraveling and endangering all of us . And his paper-thin peace accord in the Middle East will have the half life of any Clinton promise . Domestically , his policy of allowing proprietary companies to run amuck in health care , transportation , communications , defense and other sectors of the economy has created service jobs at the expense of public safety and the environment . We see the real damage inside the government that the general public never sees . In the end , I think history will judge the President as the duplicitous demagogue he is , as we struggle to clean up the mess he will leave behind when his Administration finally ends . 082521 00001 halmbrown - 01 : 42pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) } 00002 *I may have missed this as it seems too good a thought to be original with me : What happens if Clinton has to go to jail ? By law he is under the protection of the Secret Service for as long as he lives . Will agents have adjoining cells ? Will they allowed to keep their firearms , as they must , even though this would be against all prison regulations ? What about doing background investigations on all his fellow prisoners ? 082522 00001 hugsy - 01 : 45pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 yasuoka4_ 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 36pm } 00003 *Bill , We ' re all sorry Hiliary stuck a v-chip in your web brouser , so instead of ending up at your usual just-over-18 intern porno sites , you end up here . However , we would all apreciate it if you would start go back to doing the work of the country so you don ' t get in more trouble with Hiliary . We have to pay for the lamps she throws at you . 082523 00001 bobgray22 - 01 : 47pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 yasuoka4_ 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 36pm } 00003 *Well , at least it is something new . 082524 00001 halmbrown - 01 : 47pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 ainsely , } 00003 *hasn ' t been proven , just circumstantial evidence . Personally I think he did , but then who am I ? Maybe he didn ' t . But if he did , then I still say that ' s the only real crime he ' s committed , and that is still only a misdemeanor that most people get off with probation on for the first offense . 082525 00001 zamosz8 - 01 : 47pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) } 00002 *Liberal Democrats have finally convinced me that we should have a democracy swayed if not run by the polls . Forget the ' rule of law ' . But I want consistency . Polls constantly show that about 70% of Americans want the government to get rid of affirmative action . Polls constantly want us to be taxed ( much ) less . Polls say we should get rid of a myriad of government programs which are useless . Polls want us to limit various welfare programs , etc , etc . In the past most Americans unfortunately wanted segregation . But , I ' m a new convert to all those posters who so frequently noted that Congress should cater to the will of the people . Now my question is ; are you ready to go all the way with it ? 082526 00001 halmbrown - 01 : 49pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 saichel , } 00003 *I always thought the space cadets were kind of cool . Go figure . 082527 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 53pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 saichel 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 37pm } 00004 *That you have been banned so many times has only one interpretation . BTW I am never out to " get " any poster here , but simply acting in the interest of maintaining a reasonable discussion here . Moreover , I ALWAYS suggest that an offending poster simply delete his / her post . You often take such suggestions as an inducement to repeat them . Most of the personal attacks laid on me have no impact . I am neither a wacko , a Nazi , a racist , or a lonely , dirty old man . However , such remarks have no place here whether accurate or not . 082528 00001 ebersson - 01 : 54pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 saichel 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 12pm } 00003 *This will never end for Clinton , his family , his friends , and his staff . } 00004 *Enough with the self-pity . Funny thing about becoming the second impeached president in U . S . history . It sort of becomes one ' s legacy . Do you expect him to be remembered for his mountain of minutiae ? And those felony convictions and guilty-pleas by his friends are also part of the record . Not to mention that $875 , 000 admission by Bill . Get over it . 082529 00001 stars142 - 01 : 54pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 collioure1 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 11pm } 00003 * " Pay close attention to what liberals do in the name of separating church and state . It goes well beyond separation . For example , the possibility of delegating social sevices to faith-based institutions , school vouchers . . . There ' s an established pattern , and it is to destroy legitimacy of religious institutions in the public eye . " } 00004 *1 . Are you telling me Liberals are behind School Vouchers ? 2 . As long as " religious institutions " continue to press for laws that benefit their organizations at the taxpayers expense , the taxpayers have every right to protest . This isn ' t attacking the churchs or other " religous institutions " so quit whining when we do . We have a legitimate complaint about the laws the Christian conservatives are trying to pass concerning school vouchers . 082530 00001 saichel - 01 : 54pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 zamosz8 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 34pm > 00003 Saichel ; } 00004 *loyalty is usually a very positive attribute . } 00005 *And certainly unheard of among republicans ! I wouldn ' t wish one of you haters on my worst enemy . } 00006 *Adolph Hitler had many loyalist supporters , that too did not make it right . } 00007 *Of course ! Of course ! We all know that concealing a consensual bj is right up there with the slaughter of untold millions , right whacko ! ? Don ' t even go there ! You are trivializing the holocaust and it ' s an indignity to the millions who died at the hands of that butcher ! } 00008 *Regards Gingrich , the story with his cancer-stricken wife is much more complicated than the simplicity you infer . Besides , what one person does wrong does not excuse another person ' s wrongs . } 00009 *Not that simple , eh ? I see that you are well on your way to making excuses . As I said : LOYALTY REPUBLICAN STYLE ! ! ! 082531 00001 marblex - 01 : 57pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) > 00002 collioure1 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 11pm } 00003 *If people want to send their kids to parrochial schools , fine . Just don ' t ask me to pay for it . 082532 00001 donkirk - 01 : 57pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82552 ) } 00002 *Support Julie Hiatt Steele . Go to http : / / www . juliehiattsteele . com > 00003 halmbrown 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 47pm } 00004 *Hi , Hal . Even if the governor did whip it out and tell Paula to " kiss it , " no crime was committed in my view . The alleged incident occurred in private with no witnesses , therefore it would be next to impossible to prove " indecent exposure . " Remember , Ms . Jones has been quoted as saying she wanted to be the governor ' s " girlfriend , " even though there can be little doubt that she knew he was a married man and that she sought an invitation to the hotel room . BTW , Paula says the governor dropped his pants to expose himself . I find that difficult to believe . " Dropping pants " is a female act . As I ' ve pointed out here once before , men ordinarily don ' t " drop trou " . . . there ' s a reason we have a fly in our pants and we use that means of access several times a day . If the governor merely sought a quick kiss , it seems to me he wouldn ' t drop his trousers . It ' s idle speculation , of course , but it is founded on a logical view of things , I think . Clinton did not commit any provable crimes , in my judgment . The Senate apparently agreed . 082533 00001 sapka - 01 : 57pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) > 00002 bobgray22 - 01 : 40pm : } 00003 * " his facination with american genitalia doesn ' t really belong on a forum designed for political debate " } 00004 *May I ask something ? If the genitalia belongs to your president , then the debate will be OK ? That ' s what I call HYPOCRISY 082534 00001 phil . o . nous - 01 : 58pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) } 00002 * 00003 N OPEN LETTER TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY< / b> 00004 by L . Cifer You guys screwed up royally . Although I 00005 istinctly< / b> 00006 remember telling you how to use the legal system in the United States to acheive political ends , I do not recall 00007 ver< / b> 00008 telling you guys to be so blatant about it . You asked for my help in overturning a democratic election . I told you to capitalize on the President ' s hubris . You asked me for more information . I provided it to you . You asked me to get a Federal judge to permit an indictment of a sitting President . I gave you a Bush appointee . In all of this , I think I have been extraordinarily generous . I should have smelled trouble when you asked for more Democratic votes on Articles of Impeachment and on conviction . Do you have any idea how close this would have come to blowing our cover ? And now that the secret ' s out you ' re talking openly about secretly indicting a sitting President . I ' m sorry , you ' ll have to do that on your own . 082535 00001 saichel - 01 : 58pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) > 00002 halmbrown 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 49pm } 00003 *Yes , go figure . You see , space cadets wouldn ' t be so bad if they didn ' t invent such vicious lies . 082536 00001 saichel - 02 : 04pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) > collioure1 - 02 : 19pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 83452 ) } 00002 ebersson 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 54pm } *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 *$10mill . worth of " self-pity ! " I wonder how you would hold up under a $40mill . witch hunt . If I had been in the president ' s shoes , I would have paid off that political prostitute , paula ( the mutt ) jones , long ago . I would do anything to get that cancer out of my life ! marblex 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 57pm } 00004 *I don ' t care where the children go to school as long as they learn . If that means paying for parochial schools , so be it . This is a subject where you lefties are the intolerant , shortsighted ones . 082537 00001 bobgray22 - 02 : 06pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) > halmbrown - 02 : 20pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 83452 ) > 00002 sapka 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 56pm } collio } 00003 *You are assigning me an opinion I didn ' t give . Though I just got a mental picture of Bill Clinton working in one of those Japanese bars . Thanks for the humor . : - ) ) *- rrrrrright . Arkansas . What was I thinking ? 082538 00001 donkirk - 02 : 07pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) } marblex - 02 : 21pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 83452 ) > 00002 *Support Julie Hiatt Steele . Go to http : / / www . juliehiattsteele . com > donkirk : } 00003 marblex 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 57pm } *Hello to you , my friend . Indeed , as best as I can determine , the following testimony by the President before the GJ were alleged to have been perjurious : 1 . That his encounters with Monica occurred " on certain occasions " , when Monica said " 11 " ; ( failed for lack of materiality ) 2 . That his telephone discussions with Monica occurred " occasionally " , when Monica said " 17 " ; ( failed for lack of materiality ) 3 . That his claim that he " tried to be truthful , but not helpful , and tried to be accurate and navigate the mine field of the deposition without breaking the law " regarding his Jones testimony , was " perjurious " ; ( failed for lack of " factual " statement necessary to prove perjury -- Clinton ' s statement was clearly an opinion ) 4 . That his silence ( ! ) while his attorney proferred the Lewinsky affidavit was perjury ; ( without acute mental exhaustion , one can easily conclude that silence cannot be a basis for perjury--this allegation later was reformed to be part of the obstruction charge ) ; 5 . That he lied to his aids regarding Lewinsky ( " stalker " , etc . ) This was a laughable charge , since PC ' s discussion with his aids was not under oath and in his GJ testimony , he admitted that he had not been entirely truthful with his aids and even said that Blumenthal ' s recollection of what he said was undoubtedly more accurate than his . More lack of materiality . As best as I can determine , these were the statements that formed the basis of the perjury charge . As the case progressed , however , it became increasingly apparent that these charges had little or no credibility as a basis for a perjury prosecution . I had a good laugh to read the " New Frontier " interview with dead-meat Rogan , who attempted to deny that the first two statements cited above were part of the perjury case , although Rogan spent over two hours total arguing that they were . What a sick joke on everyone . 00004 *Good morning , Counselor . The remarks by the President ' s Counsel , Charles Ruff , were very interesting to me . Mr . Ruff referred to the constantly " moving target " in complaining that it was difficult to craft an effective defense because the President ' s lawyers really didn ' t know what he as charged with doing . I have asked another poster here ( jondavwal ) to tell me exactly what lies the President is accused of telling . I honestly do not know the specific statements which are alleged to have been " lying under oath . " ( Never mind the technical charge of perjury . ) It seems to me a well established principle that an accused is entitled to know both the charge and the specification agaisnt him . The Republican managers made a morphous charges but did not , in my opinion , offer any specifications to support them . Perhaps you can cite the specific statements made by President Clinton in either his Paula Jones deposition or his testimony before the grand jury that allegedly were patent lies under oath . Thanks . 082539 00001 corrado5 - 02 : 08pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) } janiti4 - 02 : 21pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 83452 ) } 00002 *is there anything in the constitution that prevents an outgoing second term president from standing for other political office ? it would be great if the current head of state could run for congress or the senate or even the vice-presidency . after all . . . . . the american people seem to have given him their imprimatur . *TRUTH IN MORONIC SIMPLICITY LINDA IS WORRIED ABOUT MACK TRUCK THAT ALREADY HIT HER , FROM WHAT CAN BE PAINFULLY SEEN . 082540 00001 halmbrown - 02 : 08pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) > schlaggar - 02 : 21pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 83452 ) } 00002 don , } *The Republican Party , now known as the Religious Party , has been thwarted for the moment . However , we cannot expect the Falwells and Robertsons , who now control this party , to be content with defining the sexuality of childrens TV characters or starting witch hunt for the Jewish Anti-Christ . Surely they will use the Hydes and Barrs of the Party for more productive terrorism . We have to get these people out of office or we may find we are living in a second Iran . 00003 *Of course whatever actually happened with Paula Jones and Clinton will forever be a he said / she said incident . I don ' t really give two buckets of horse manure one way or the other . All I am saying that there probably is a statute in DC that makes exposing ones ' penis to another against their will a misdemeanor , and if Clinton did it , provable or not , it was still strictly speaking a crime . I think Paula may well have gone to the room for a little action , but Clinton came on too strong , too fast for her southern belle sensibilities . Maybe the so called distinquishing feature on the offending organ was that he had the first circumsized penis she ' d ever seen , or perhaps it was the first penis she ever saw in daylight , period . Or maybe it just was the biggest ! 082541 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 09pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) } zamosz8 - 02 : 23pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 83452 ) > 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > saichel ; re : 82530 } 00003 stars142 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 54pm } *Rarely have a seen a post with so many errors or at least erroneous assumptions . First , I made no excuses for Gingrich , I simply stated that his situation was complicated which is truthful unlike your previous simplistic comment about it . Secondly , I did not compare Hitler to Clinton nor ever would . My illustration showed the negative side of loyalty and was used ( as I pointed out in my post ) as an example only . Third ; Nowhere did I mention the holocaust and therefore would not trivialize it as you wrongly charge . I suggest you work on your ability to incorporate logic and focus in your retorts . Your assumptions were way out of bounds and dealt in areas I did not bring up or even think about . As you brought up the " holocaust " , I ' m guessing that you also mean the millions of Russians , Poles and others who were murdered or killed by madman Hitler who are not always factored in the term " holocaust " . Lastly , you took vituperative liberties by name-calling with your characterization of me as a " hater " and a " whacko " . Indeed , you are quick to judge when you know nothing about me . This ugly trait will do you little good when you state or defend your positions . It shows intellectual , social and emotional immaturity on your part . 00004 *First of all , I am not a Chistian conservative . I am not even religious , but I am a rather keen observer of the left which to my regret does not seek cooperative relations with religious institutions in the provision of education and social services . Of course , liberals oppose vouchers , but we will have them in the end . Now favored by 72% of blacks . 72% ! Wonder why ? They know their kids are getting cheated in public school . CHEATED ! CHEATED ! GET IT ? CHEATED ! BTW Wisconsin Supreme Court approved vouchers last year - good in parochial schools . Thank God ( oops ! ) More kids are going to learn to READ . 082542 00001 janiti4 - 02 : 09pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) } saichel - 02 : 24pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 83452 ) > 00002 *TRUTH IN MORONIC SIMPLICITY JUST WHEN AMERICANS WERE BEGINNING TO FEEL GOOD AGAIN , THE IMAGE OF LINDA APPEARS , AS THE LOVING MOTHER . WE ARE FORTUNATE THIS OCCURRED AFTER VALENTINES AND BEFORE MOTHERS DAY , OR IT WOULD HAVE COST INNOCENT MERCHANTS COUNTLESS MILLIONS . SEE YOU IN OCTOBER , LINDA . ebersson 2 / 16 / 99 2 : 11pm } 00003 *You can build a shrine to that animal if you want . To me , paula jones is a political prostitute who put making a few lousy bucks before her country . ebersson 2 / 16 / 99 2 : 16pm SEEEEEEE , there you have it ! the president " triggered these events " which means the smiling nazi should continue on his mission of destruction . Go ahead , kenny , the haters want to see you rip into a few more lives ! ! ! 082543 00001 saichel - 02 : 09pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) > mrjimcasey38 - 02 : 25pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 83452 ) } 00002 ebersson 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 54pm } *Hoooo . . . weeeee ! ! ! Senator Byrd done opened his own mouth one time too many and they done took him to troll for alligators . Lawd , Gawd , amighty , I ain ' t kiddin ' , they done put him up for trial down there in Texas and they say they got ' em a Kangaroo Court and and lynch mob on the Square . Lawd , Gawd , amighty look at the trouble Mr . Bill done caused ! ! ! I ' ll bet he don ' t never do that agin ! ! ! Trollin ' Ver Alligators +++ 00003 *Hey , don ' t give up ! The smiling nazi is still out there and I am certain he will bring you untold pleasure by destroying many more lives . This ain ' t over by a long shot . I hope that makes you very proud . 082544 00001 ebersson - 02 : 11pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) > 00002 saichel 2 / 16 / 99 2 : 04pm } 00003 *If I had been in the president ' s shoes , I would have paid off that political prostitute , paula ( the mutt ) jones , long ago . I would do anything to get that cancer out of my life ! } 00004 *Now , now . It ' s over , except for the history writing . How about a little charity towards Paula Jones ? 082545 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 12pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 halmbrown 2 / 16 / 99 2 : 08pm } 00004 *Probably encouraged in Akansas where it happened . 00005 bjklinton - 02 : 12pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( §§082546 of 82551 ) Never meet a woman who wouldn ' t suck . Huck-A-Billy Flynton > 00006 marblex 2 / 16 / 99 1 : 57pm } 00007 *With your response in mind , why should people who have NO children be FORCED to pay for ANY schools 082547 00001 saichel - 02 : 13pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) > 00002 janiti4 2 / 16 / 99 2 : 09pm } 00003 *Oh , and don ' t forget the president has made threats against her life ! Too bad she didn ' t have her recorder on ! 082548 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 02 : 13pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) } 00002 *Aloha , > 00003 marbleX , } 00004 *my being single , I pay for a lot of children to go to public school . Parents that send their children to a private school , are now paying double for that privilege . I don ' t have an answer , but I am seeking one from you . . . coffee cowboy 082549 00001 nowayoyos1 - 02 : 14pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) } 00002 *A Note of Thanks , from the desk of President Bill Clinton ( 02 / 12 / 99 ) Happy Lincoln ' s Birthday , y ' all ! Pretty ironic coincidence , huh , on this of all days ! They called him Honest Abe . Wonder what they ' ll call me ? ! How ' bout " Misleadin ' William ! " Haw , haw ! But enough about me . Now I must act humble and give thanks to the many people who have done so much to help me escape from the Jaws of the Law . First of all , I must thank Hillary Rodham Clinton ( future Senator from New York or Illinois or Arkansas or wherever they ' ve forgotten all about that 1993 Healthcare Fiasco ) . Hillary , I couldn ' t have done it without your totally committed enablement . Without you , no doubt I ' d be in prison now . But with you I AM THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE , FLYIN ' HIGH IN THE POLLS AND WAY ABOVE THE LAW ! I honor you . ( But don ' t get your hopes up , I still ain ' t sleepin ' with ya , babe ) . And let me thank Diane Feinstein for talkin ' tough about censure , even though we both knew all along that it was as meaningless as it was unconstitutional . And now that I ' m gonna get off scot-free , we can just forget about the " C " word ! Di Fi , love ya , babe . Special thanks go out to Lieberman , Byrd , Kerrey , and Moynihan . All of you acted quite dignified and morally outraged at all the right moments , but when the chips were down , you all got in line just like everybody else . We sure fooled those saps , didn ' t we ? ! Who was it who said , " Never underestimate the gullibility of the American public ? " And let me also thank my Northeastern Liberal buddies : Susie C , Olympia , Chafee , Specter , and Jeffords , -- hey , you guys are almost as good as Democrats ! But don ' t get the idea I ' m gonna be nice to you now - as long as you ' re still EVILREPUBLICANS , I ' m going to continue to instruct Carville to have his way with you ! Now , I suppose I ' ve got to thank Frank , Waters , Conyers , Wexler , Schumer , Torricelli , Harkin and all those other guys who carried my water for so long . But look guys , don ' t get your hopes up . What I say under the duress of the moment DOES NOT necessarily translate into more billions for your many BIG GOVERNMENT programs . And to you , Harkin , did you really think I was serious about getting you the VEEP nod with Al in 2000 ? Dream on , farm boy ! But my biggest thanks go to the 5 guys I CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON : James Carville , Geraldo Rivera , Alan Dershowitz , Anthony Lewis , and Larry Flynt . Where would I be without ya , guys ? ! I could and can always count on you to back me up to the hilt , no matter what I do . And as always , you 5 have smeared my enemies and my bimboes with equal relish . I honor you . And before I close , here ' s to all those people I ' ve expletive-deleted over the years : Flowers , Jones , Browning , Gracen , Broaddrick , Willey , Lewinsky , the McDougals , Gingrich , Hyde , Bush , Dole -- I don ' t know which of you I ' ve enjoyed expletive-deleting more , haw , haw , haw ! Now , back to the champagne . Hey Podesta , bring in the new herd of interns and get me a cigar , will ya ? ! Very sincerely and contritely yours ( haw , haw ! ) , William Jefferson Clinton , First elected President to ever be impeached and totally get away with it 082550 00001 ebersson - 02 : 16pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) > 00002 saichel 2 / 16 / 99 2 : 09pm } 00003 *The smiling nazi is still out there and I am certain he will bring you untold pleasure by destroying many more lives . } 00004 *Please remember , Bill has admitted triggering these events . Maybe you should return to gloating . And who the hell is the " smiling nazi " ? 082551 00001 saichel - 02 : 16pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( of 82551 ) > 00002 corrado5 2 / 16 / 99 2 : 08pm } 00003 *If I am not mistaken , President Johnson , the first president to be railroaded by republican haters , ran for congress after he left the White House . saichel - 02 : 16pm Feb 16 , 1999 EST ( §§082535 of 83452 ) corrado5 2 / 16 / 99 2 : 08pm If I am not mistaken , President Johnson , the first president to be railroaded by republican haters , ran for congress after he left the White House . 990217 083266 00001 daisy_98 - 09 : 12am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) > 00002 supkis } 00003 *I doubt that Starr will listen to Lott or others pals . He has his own personal agenda and he was supported in by the three ultra-right judges , who named him . Only Reno may send him packing , it must be done ! 083267 00001 thewolf1 - 09 : 13am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) } 00002 *Hillary ' s Thoughts on Impeachment This information was developed from a LA Times article that appeared Tuesday , September 8 , 1998 . In 1974 a young attorney helped draw up the rules under which Richard M . Nixon would be tried by the Congress . " Impeachment , " she wrote , " did not have to be for criminal offenses-but only for a course of conduct ' that suggested an abuse of power or a disregard for the office of the President of the United States . " She wrote , " that a person ' s ' course of conduct ' while not particularly criminal could be of such a nature that it destroys trust , discourages allegiance , and demands action by the Congress . " She wrote " the office of the President is such that it calls for a higher level of conduct than the average citizen in the United States . " This attorney who helped write the standard under which Presidents are to be judged has a unique perspective about the present situation in the White House . You see , the attorney who said that an unethical " course of conduct " could overthrow a president is now the First Lady , Hillary Rodham Clinton . 083268 00001 macer235 - 09 : 15am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) } 00002 *MORE LEGAL BILLS FOR THE PRESIDENT THANKS TO PARTISAN HARASSMENT : ANOTHER GOOD REASON FOR HIM TO FILE FOR BANKRUPTCY BEFORE THE ELECTION For the second time , conservative Republicans have intervented in a the Paula Jones case to persecute the president . NOBODY EXCEPT THE REPUBLICANS WANT THIS . THEY CAN ' T STOP THEMSELVES . And they expect people to forget twenty months from now ? Like hell . Their latest action will keep things alive even before Ken Starr . It should raise questions about their motives and their intense hate . Previously the Republican Right decide to take advantage of a loophole in the sexual harassment law which allowed evidence on voluntary sexual affairs . That loophole shouldnt ' t have existed . Nevertheless , in choosing to exploit it , Republicans can ' t use the argument : " You deserved to get robbed because you left the house unlocked while taking a shower . " The Republicans , not Paula Jones , has caused all of this problem by intervening as a third party for reasons that only a fool believes had anything to do with sexual harassment . I guess the party that gave a standing ovation to Mr . Starr in the House wanted to take out extra insurance in case Starr doesn ' t do the job . Down with the Party of Hate ! Down with the Linda Trip / Ken Starr Holy Inquisition Party ! Down with Federalist Society / Landmark Legal Foundation Party ! As noted earlier , I think one goal of Republicans is to bankrupt the president . If they want to make bankrupcy inevitable , then Clinton should file for bankrupcy while in office with optimal timing to make the public aware of exactly what the Republicans have done . Also , I ' d recommend that he file in October of 2000 for maximum impact . What a disgrace the Republican Party is ! Given the roots of the recent Inquisition , any House member who voted for impeachment and any Senator who voted for conviction is a total disgrace and deserve to lose . For those SOBs , it is too late even to defect . No apologies will ever do . EXCERPT FROM MSNBC : Landmark Legal Foundation , a conservative legal group in Washington , filed a formal petition with Wright months ago seeking a court hearing on whether Clinton was in contempt of court because of what the private organization called his " apparently false testimony . " The foundation said " the court has the right , if not the duty , to defend itself against obstructive acts committed in its presence . " 083269 00001 supkis - 09 : 16am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) > 00002 Daisy , } 00003 *a President cannot be impeached without a bipartisan consensus . Starr cannot be removed without the same degree of consensus . It stunned me that the Senate had no majority even , a simple majority on any impeachment article . This was very bad for the impeachers and revealed the flimsiness of their enterprise . But if any Democrat removes Starr , the howling right wing will go into full bay and it will only make things worse . Only the right wing may call off this hunt and they are NOT doing this . Maybe they will eventually , but lets hope not , for this is killing them ! 083270 00001 thewolf1 - 09 : 16am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) } 00002 *Hillary Clinton -- She wrote , " that a person ' s ' course of conduct ' while not particularly criminal could be of such a nature that it destroys trust , discourages allegiance , and demands action by the Congress . " 083271 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 17am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) > 00002 hal & > 00003 supkis } 00004 *Cut Arian35 some slack -- she posts some good posts , although the rest of those people could use some training ! 083272 00001 daisy_98 - 09 : 19am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) > 00002 thewolf } 00003 *Crying wolf will lead you nowhere , gosh are the repubs dumb ! I ' ve never heard about an animal called parrot-wolf , in which zoo are you dwelling ? 083273 00001 supkis - 09 : 20am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) } 00002 *True , > 00003 Arian } 00004 *isn ' t insane nor does she rave and rant . This can be refreshing , unlike Wolf who is boring as well as dumb . 083274 00001 bird_33 - 09 : 20am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) > 00002 halmbrown - 09 : 21am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( #83275 of 83485 ) } 00003 *Comrades , html lesson for the day : If you want to have your message appear in color this is how to do it : 00004 Put your text here If you want to change color you have to close the first color with this < / b style> 00005 and specify a new color . If you don ' t have a chart that give you the number codes for the many shades you can use , most basic colors spelled out ( even pink , yellow , maroon etc . ) will work . 083276 00001 lucky085 - 09 : 21am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) > 00002 roger660 } 00003 * " Across-the-board tax cut that favors the wealthy is a bad idea . " } 00004 *I agree . I also dislike the repugs constant offer of candy to get votes , with no thought whatsoever to increasing opportunity and incomes for those in need . Everyone wants tax cuts ; it ' s how the program is structured that is important . The repug ' s answer is " less governmemt " which equates to " stupid and irresponsible " government . 083277 00001 tboucher4 - 09 : 21am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) > 00002 china } 00003 *Thanks for the economics lesson . Your words of wisdom change everything . Consider for just a second that the minimum wage issue as just a minor wedge issue . It has nothing to do with nothing . If you understand economics , and you believe the current employment figures . The economy will move the wage up . Government intrusion is not ( and never has been ) the answer . We pay more than minimum wage because we have an investment in training that we dont want to lose . 083278 00001 thewolf1 - 09 : 22am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) } 00002 *Bill Clintons " Course of conduct ' while not particularly criminal could be of such a nature that it destroys trust , discourages allegiance , and demands action by the Congress . " No chance to remove him now unless , he screwes up again , and with his sickness , he will , but will the public know ? Listen to Rush Limbaugh today at 11 am central to find out more ! save us Rush , and Megga Dittos ! God bless the E-I-B network and Rush ! 083279 00001 roger660 - 09 : 22am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) > 00002 daisy 98 } 00003 *Wolf seems to be caught in some kind of time-warp , trapped in the past . It ' s time to move on . The trial is over -- the GOP needs to get over it . 083280 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 23am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) > 00002 rogerfgay } 00003 *has been training thewolf for many months . This is the result of that training . Roger stresses constant repetition of the same things , over and over , especially old news or things that have already been decided . Wolfie just doesn ' t have a large enough vocabulary to post those long posts like Roger , but he ' s working on it . One word at a time . . . 083281 00001 k0cxc0 - 09 : 25am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan I see that > 00003 thewolf } 00004 *is about the only Republican that I ' ve noticed so far today on the forum . Well , don ' t fret . > 00005 k0cxc0 } 00006 *is here now . Bring it on . 083282 00001 supkis - 09 : 26am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) } 00002 *The minimum wage was invented so that there will never be deflationary freefall like in the Great Depression . It also prevents the poor from competeing with each other to death . It maintains a floor through which the poor aren ' t supposed to fall . Inflation nearly destroyed the minimum wage , turning it into a joke . Now we are slowly stabilizing . The bigger problem is health insurance . Denying health care to the working poor is both cruel and bad for America . I think we will have to tackle this problem once again even though the GOP hates to help poor people and thinks they deserve to die . 083283 00001 roger660 - 09 : 27am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) > 00002 thewolf1 } 00003 *Listen to Rush Limbaugh today at 11 am central to find out more ! save us Rush , and Megga Dittos ! God bless the E-I-B network and Rush ! } 00004 *Listening to Rush will lower your IQ . Wolf seems to be a prime example . 083284 00001 daisy_98 - 09 : 27am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) > 00002 roger660 } 00003 *I think he rejoined Regan on the forget-it-all planet ; at least Regan has an excuse , he ' s old . They ' ll never learn , let them keep raving till the 2 , 000 election , the rest of the GOP will held its meetings in a phone-booth ! 083285 00001 thewolf1 - 09 : 28am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83485 ) } 00002 *Matt Drudge Report 083286 00001 thewolf1 - 09 : 30am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83482 ) } 00002 * " The president tasted , but did not swallow , " laughed one reporter aboard the plane . 083287 00001 arian35 - 09 : 31am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83482 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin Well , thanks > 00003 chinagirlz ! } 00004 *But don ' t worry about me . I can handle myself , in fact , look forward to debating the libs and shredding their silly concepts to bits ! > 00005 Supkis } 00006 *Not at all interested in a pursuit of the Prez ! ( not my type , if you know what I mean--wink , wink ! ) . I find him a fascinating political animal . Historians , phychologists , sociologists , behavioral scientists , and just plain curious folks are going to be examining this phenomenon for years ! 083288 00001 gregk13 - 09 : 31am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83482 ) } 00002 *They talked . BC walked . They still talk and BC doesn ' t give a stinky . Good morning gang . : - ) 083289 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 31am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83482 ) > 00002 tboucher4 } 00003 *That is why most people pay over the minimum wage : because they don ' t want to lose their investment in training . HOWEVER , there are some really greedy people out there who just don ' t give a damn , and they continue to pay only the minimum . It means nothing to them -- they just get to take more money home . ( These people usually have NO benefits except the ones you legally have to have . ) What they don ' t pay in salary , they make up for in having to work when people quit unexpectedly . I know someone who was paid minimum wage for over 10 years at one place he worked ( it was okay with him because he had a side job where he worked for himself ) but the company never offered any raises or benefits . Since I also know the owners of the company he worked at , I ' m not really surprised . They know the value of the dollar , and put most of them in their pockets . 083290 00001 roger660 - 09 : 33am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83482 ) > 00002 lucky085 } 00003 *The repug ' s answer is " less governmemt " which equates to " stupid and irresponsible " government . } 00004 *True . They can ' t get away from constantly repeating " less government " over and over . They add " cut taxes " and " family values " occasionally , but specifics are lacking . 083291 00001 daisy_98 - 09 : 33am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83482 ) > 00002 chinagirlz1 } 00003 *Wolfie is a Drudge-trash fan , so even his stupid ideas aren ' t his own . 083292 00001 thewolf1 - 09 : 33am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83482 ) > 00002 chinagirlz1 } 00003 *The A / A pilots quit unexpected , and they get more than minimum ! 083293 00001 halmbrown - 09 : 33am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83482 ) } 00002 *Us liberals are real suckers for a sob story . The way our farm business is structured , we take a salary and then if there are profits at the end of the year , we get that too . With a poor crop this year , we had to take a pay cut to keep paying health insurance for our two employees . A direct $8000 out of our pockets . Maybe we should get a compassion-lobotomy and join the right wingers here , and pocket the cash ourselves . 083294 00001 gregk13 - 09 : 35am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83482 ) > 00002 thewolf1 , } 00003 *RE : " Matt Drudge Report " And ? ? ? ? ? 083295 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 36am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83482 ) > 00002 gregk13 } 00003 *Where ' s your list of VLWC ? Haven ' t seen it in a while ! ? It must be huge by now ! 083296 00001 supkis - 09 : 36am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) > 00002 Arian , } 00003 *the behaviorists will be studying the whole nexus of this stupid scandal . The astonishing thing is the double standard applied by pretend moralists . Trying to understand how Hyde could do what he did and not roll on the floor laughing is amazing . They will also study the ugly ties these men wore and the constant need of the sex investigators to meet Monica in various hotel rooms . From day One , they chased this poor lady around one expensive hotel room after another . Wierd . Odd . Only the Marx brothers can do this one justice . 083297 00001 thewolf1 - 09 : 36am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) } 00002 *Clinton is on top now with the democrats , but with time things change , like " The new Dodge " this changes everything ! : ) 083298 00001 arian35 - 09 : 37am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin Down with the Party of Hate ! > 00003 Macer , } 00004 *is this the " Party " to which Charles Rangle claims an association ? He was on TV the other night " trashing " Monica . Guess since your Prez subverted justice , the taboo has been lifted ! 083299 00001 gregk13 - 09 : 39am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) > 00002 VLWC Roll Call : > 00003 Gregk , > 00004 Wanderer , > 00005 GatorRon , > 00006 Ratty , > 00007 Davidpell , > 00008 Don K . , > 00009 Adaplant , > 00010 Daisey , > 00011 Elizabeth , > 00012 Chinagirlz , > 00013 Butler555 , > 00014 Supkis , > 00015 Halmbrown , > 00016 Jtat , > 00017 Jwatt , > 00018 Indy , > 00019 jjfrune , > 00020 Dr . Laing , > 00021 Macer , > 00022 ericsantiago , > 00023 mike , > 00024 Werner , > 00025 W . Mason , > 00026 MajorTom , > 00027 FatLadySinging , > 00028 Roger660 , > 00029 Pdomingo , > 00030 SearingTruth , > 00031 Spinthis , > 00032 Shotty , > 00033 Collocate , > 00034 Dajman , > 00035 BobMcKeow , > 00036 MataHari , > 00037 jzatta , > 00038 teri reilly , , > 00039 Lashlaru , > 00040 Scotc4 , > 00041 Royalcoachman , > 00042 Clair33b , > 00043 sapka , > 00044 ajg3x , averrona , godiva3ft , Verona , fpdoa , Sportly , NormanNYU , csil1 , > 00045 GwenWood , > 00046 Klambal , > 00047 lioneagle , > 00048 whatsthetruth , > 00049 bobbilljacobs , > 00050 hershbjw1b , > 00051 Prezibes } 00052 *Please fill free to add names . Don ' t want to leave any comrades , oops I mean supporter out . 083300 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 39am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) > 00002 thewolf } 00003 * " Clinton is on top now with the democrats " } 00004 *Are you talking about sex again ? ? ! ! 083301 00001 supkis - 09 : 39am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) > 00002 Arian , } 00003 *I have supported Monica for many months now . I think she embodies the very virtues of Venus , which are NOT the virtues of the Virgin Mary who consorts with gods and forces her new husband to pay for the baby and raise God ' s illegitemate offspring . 083302 00001 jlaing11 - 09 : 39am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) } 00002 *Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage . H . L . Mencken Back in the real world 083303 00001 thewolf1 - 09 : 40am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) } 00002 *The democratic literal party , like " Mardi Gras " will end , and then what ? That sickening feeling after the all night party of wine , Monica , and song ! : ) 083304 00001 arian35 - 09 : 41am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin > 00003 supkis } 00004 *A kind word . Too nice ! } 00005 *True , Arian isn ' t insane nor does she rave and rant . } 00006 *To paraphrase Sen . Hollings : " Theah ' s jest too much ranting and raving goin on ! " 083305 00001 taymar8326 - 09 : 41am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) } 00002 * " Hillary Rodham Clinton on Tuesday said she was giving " careful thought " to running for the Senate from New York . " - N . Y . Times . I didn ' t know you could hold a senatorial seat from federal prison . 00003 Morning > 00004 ' greg ' ! 083306 00001 gregk13 - 09 : 43am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) > 00002 arian35 , } 00003 *RE : " Macer , is this the " Party " to which Charles Rangle claims an association ? He was on TV the other night " trashing " Monica . Guess since your Prez subverted justice , the taboo has been lifted ! " } 00004 *Yep . Charlie almost called her a tramp , but Geraldo cut him . Think maybe Charles was harping back to the good old days when folks that did those kinds of things were marked with a scarlet letter ? I thought that was what the VRWC has been longing for all these years . The good old days whatever the hell they were . 083307 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 43am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) } 00002 *Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 083308 00001 supkis - 09 : 43am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) } 00002 *Politics is like running a circus from a monkey cage being whacked around by the elephants . 083309 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 43am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) > 00002 supkis } 00003 *You know , I never looked at Virgin Mary quite that way until now . She did force Joseph to pay for a son who wasn ' t his . If this is a biblical thing , why aren ' t the Republican males lining up to pay for all the kids on this planet who don ' t have fathers ? Makes sense to me ! Then , we wouldn ' t have to have any of these government programs to help single women who have children . The Republican party could help them themselves ( just like Joseph -- it makes them closer to God ! ) 083310 00001 collocate - 09 : 44am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) } 00002 * " It is therefore ordered and adjudged that the said William Jefferson Clinton be and he hereby is acquitted of the charges in the said articles . " Ever since the fizzled impeachment votes , the Republicans can ' t seem to run fast enough or far enough from the impeachment issue . Trent Lott has banished the word from his vocabulary . The only RW talking head still yammering is Pat Robertson . It appears , from the reaction of the reactionaries , that the impeachment debacle was neither a Pyrrhic victory nor a moral victory but just a good , old-fashioned , unequivocal defeat . Makes you wonder how a " majority " party with all its money and talent could make such a stupid blunder . Any thoughts ? 083311 00001 thewolf1 - 09 : 44am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) } 00002 *Have a nice day all ! off to work we go ! less than 5 employees , so the government dosen ' t run my business . Lets keep it that way , forever ! 083312 00001 roger660 - 09 : 44am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) > 00002 greg13 } 00003 *thewolf1 , RE : " Matt Drudge Report " And ? ? ? ? ? } 00004 *Wolf is apparently not aware there is an interaction between listening to Rush and reading Drudge . It lowers your IQ ever more ! 083313 00001 tboucher4 - 09 : 45am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) > 00002 china } 00003 * " I know someone who was paid minimum wage for over 10 years at one place he worked " } 00004 *And you blame the employer ? 083314 00001 k0cxc0 - 09 : 45am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83481 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 chinagirlz1 2 / 17 / 99 9 : 31am } 00004 *chinagirlz1 , the situation you describe can be addressed using common sense . Let me demonstrate : However , there are some really greedy people out there who just don ' t give a damn , and they continue to pay only the minimum . True , there are many people in America that are greedy . And to combat such unfairness , the general public has the right to not purchase the products / services that these companies provide . Also , the public has the right to not work at these companies , thus forcing these companies to either a ) raise their wage rates to attract employees or b ) go out of business . It means nothing to them -- they just get to take more money home . ( These people usually have NO benefits except the ones you legally have to have . ) I agree that there are certain aspects of business that must be regulated , however , one aspect of the American dream is that anyone can become wealthy . So , the employees that complain about the lack of wages or benefits can ( and have many resources to assist them ) venture into starting their own business . And in America , the opportunity for that disgruntled employee to start their own business , become their old bosses ' competition , and drive their old boss out of business is more than possible . I know someone who was paid minimum wage for over 10 years at one place he worked ( it was okay with him because he had a side job where he worked for himself ) but the company never offered any raises or benefits . Since I also know the owners of the company he worked at , I ' m not really surprised . They know the value of the dollar , and put most of them in their pockets . Again , if your friend minded , he / she could have gone elsewhere , started their own business , etcetera . Furthermore , if that company refuses to give pay increases , they are guaranteed to attract only entry-level employees or employees that do not care ( 2nd income , etc . ) what they are paid . 083315 00001 daisy_98 - 09 : 48am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83480 ) > 00002 supkis - 09 : 43am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( #83308 of 83308 ) } 00003 * " Politics is like running a circus from a monkey cage being whacked around by the elephants . " } 00004 *Re : Wow , I had it all wrong then , so Hyde is an elephant , not a dinosaur ? 083316 00001 supkis - 09 : 48am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83480 ) } 00002 *Sweat shops that oppress workers are wonderful . This is why we have so many American jobs moving to great places like Communist China where there is no minimum wage . 083317 00001 halmbrown - 09 : 50am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83480 ) } 00002 *Comrades , for a diversion , if you haven ' t already stumbled across The Drudge Retort is is often entertaining and has many good links . They are known for locking up the domain name www . drudge . com , much to the dismay of Matt the Hat . Today ' s Edition : XXXX DRUDGE RETORT XXXXX 02 / 12 / 99 19 : 09 : 38 UTC XXXXX SUPEREXCLUSIVE : PRESIDENT CLINTON REMOVED FROM OFFICE ! By Rogers Cadenhead *Must Credit the DRUDGE RETORT** The U . S . Senate threw a kink into President Clinton ' s after-party plans when they voted to remove him from office . The Senate vote , cast shortly after 1 : 30 p . m . EST , makes Clinton the first chief executive to be evicted " in a long time -- like maybe ever , " says Rep . Mary Bono of California . The vote was split strictly on party lines : 56 votes for removal , 45 votes against . Republican Sen . Arlen Specter relied on a centuries-old Scottish law that enabled him to vote four times : yes , yes , " not-telling " and " huh ? " Under the terms of the removal , President Clinton must vacate his office before 9 a . m . on March 1 or he ' ll lose his $12 , 000 property deposit . During the remainder of his term , the president cannot inhabit any other office that receives federal funding . Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr will be allowed to use the executive office of the president until January 2001 . 083318 00001 gregk13 - 09 : 50am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83480 ) } 00002 *Morning > 00003 Taymar , } 00004 *Patting the keys a little early today ? } 00005 *RE : " Hillary Rodham Clinton on Tuesday said she was giving " careful thought " to running for the Senate from New York . " - N . Y . Times . I didn ' t know you could hold a senatorial seat from federal prison . 00006 } 00007 *I think it would be an unwise move on her part . The New York media would have a field day bashing her . It would be a great nasty knock down drag everything out type bout especially if Rudy is on the other side . Then you have to throw in the Sharpton factor which the media tries to discount . The man actually kicked a few butts in the last run for the Dem nomination . He ' s got juice whether people want to accept it or not . 083319 00001 sapka - 09 : 51am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83480 ) } 00002 *This story may explain many things . One day The Lord came to Adam to pass on some news . " I ' ve got some good news and some bad news , " the Lord said . Adam looked at the Lord and said , " Well , give me the good news first . " Smiling , the Lord explained , " I ' ve got two new organs for you . One is called a brain . It will allow you to create new things , solve problems , and have intelligent conversations with Eve . The other organ I have for you is called a penis . It will give you great physical pleasure and allow you to reproduce your now intelligent life form and copulate , pardon , populate this planet . Eve will be very happy that you now have this organ to give her children . " Adam , very excited exclaimed , " These are great gifts you have given to me . What could possibly be bad news after such great tidings ? " The Lord looked upon Adam and said with great sorrow , " You will never be able to use these two gifts at the same time . " 083320 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 51am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83480 ) } 00002 *Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 083321 00001 taymar8326 - 09 : 52am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83479 ) } 00002 *The server is ' almost ' as constipated as ' suckitups ' thought process . Venus . . . How pathetic . Perhaps later . Be well . 083322 00001 tboucher4 - 09 : 53am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83479 ) > 00002 Hal } 00003 *You have a farm and have only 2 employees , yet can afford $8000 worth of health insurance . What the hell are you growing ? 083323 00001 daisy_98 - 09 : 53am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83479 ) > 00002 collocate - 09 : 44am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( #83310 of 83316 ) } 00003 * " It is therefore ordered and adjudged that the said William Jefferson Clinton be and he hereby is acquitted of the charges in the said articles . " } 00004 *Re : Will you remind Larry King that IT ' S OVER ? He and Wolfie don ' t seem to know , the last on the planet Earth . 083324 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 53am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83479 ) } 00002 *Are you guys gonna vote for the handover of Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire now ? 083325 00001 k0cxc0 - 09 : 54am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83479 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 chinagirlz1 2 / 17 / 99 9 : 43am } 00004 *chinagirlz1 , another point of debate : If this is a biblical thing , why aren ' t the Republican males lining up to pay for all the kids on this planet who don ' t have fathers ? Correction , unless a mother is party to a scientific experiment or the father is dead , I ' d venture to say that all children have fathers . Republicans use common sense to this point of debate . Since most single mothers have children that do not have fathers that are present , Republicans tend to agree that it is the fathers responsibility to pay for that child ( ren ) , NOT the government . Also , if the father fails , it should be the consciousness and love of the community to assist those in need . Of course there are exceptions ( more than the 2 scenarios I stated above ) , but common sense would say that if a man can pull it out , he can also reach back a little further to his wallet . 083326 00001 supkis - 09 : 55am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83479 ) > 00002 Greg , } 00003 *Rudy has to deal with the reality that things are beginning to fall apart for him . And his battle with Pataki and Mucha ( bet you don ' t know who that dame is ) is going to ravage him . Hillary ' s problem will come from Sharpton , as you can see . But Sharpton has limited ability to raise votes . McCall might beat Hillary but he isn ' t running . I hope he runs for Gov . 083327 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 55am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83479 ) } 00002 *Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 083328 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 55am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83479 ) > 00002 tboucher & > 00003 K0cxc0 } 00004 *Yes , it ' s my friends fault he didn ' t leave . I do remember that he asked for raises , but they didn ' t do " raises " . I live in Los Angeles . There are many people here who do not speak fluent English and so are not guaranteed any type of equal employment opportunites . They are basically the equivalent of slave labor . Because they usually have many mouths to feed , they take jobs that others will not take . And they are usually willing to work for very little . ( These are legal immigrants , mind you -- some of them have been here for 20 years . ) Employers take advantage of this . They give raises very sparingly , knowing that the person cannot easily switch jobs . $8 an hour is a ton of money for a lot of them ( especially with a lot of overtime ) . 083329 00001 halmbrown - 09 : 56am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) > 00002 tboucher : } 00003 *Click here 083330 00001 arian35 - 09 : 56am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin > 00003 KO } 00004 *I am a Republican conservative . FYI ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! > 00005 supkis } 00006 *and > 00007 china : } 00008 *Perilously close to blasphemy ! ! ! > 00009 taymar8326 2 / 17 / 99 9 : 41am } 00010 *I was about to introduce the matter of Ms . Clinton ' s run for the Senate . Thanks for the lead-in . Mr . Clinton is now irrelevant . A very wounded lame duck . But it ' s the missus--that liberal / socialist being promoted ( as we speak ) as the savior ( savioress ? ) of the Democrat party . She is more frightening than BC because she actually HAS ideas ! ! ! ! ! ! 083331 00001 gregk13 - 09 : 56am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *I see our Japanese person is back on today . Did the overseer say anything yesterday ? 083332 00001 halmbrown - 09 : 58am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) > 00002 greg , } 00003 *I suggest we ignor totally irrelevant posts . SYSOP is asleep . 083333 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 58am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Are you guys gonna vote for the handover of Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire now ? Aliado Gozaimasu ! 083334 00001 thewolf1 - 09 : 59am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *TED TURNER , FATHER OF 5 , CALLS FOR GLOBAL ' ONE CHILD POLICY ' 083335 00001 supkis - 09 : 59am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) > 00002 Arian , } 00003 *I am surprized you fear " ideas " . Sad . No wonder you belong to the party of Dan Quayle . No scarey ideas will ever penetrate the GOP , that is certain ! " Status Quayle , Status Quayle , we want to keep our Status Quayle ! " you all shout as you march around in circles . 083336 00001 halmbrown - 10 : 00am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *that would include you , too , wolf , when you bring up Ted Turner . 083337 00001 janiti4 - 10 : 00am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *TRUTH IN MORONIC SIMPLICITY HYDE , SINCE AT THE AGE OF 76 YOU SHOULD STILL BE YOUTHFUL ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION , YOU LOST THE GAME AND THERE IS STILL TIME FOR YOU TO PLAY RIGHT AND NOT MAKE AN ARSE OF YOURSELF . THERE REALLY IS NO BETTER COUNTRY FOR YOU TO GO TO . RELAX AND TRY TO LOSE SOME WEIGHT . TRY TO RETHINK WHO YOU ARE AND WHO YOU CAN BE . THE WORD NICE SHOULD BE PART OF IT . SMILES AND CUTE WORDS DONT CUT IT . IT IS A SINCERE EFFORT TO RECOGNIZE YOUR LEADERSHIP RESPONSIBILITY AND CARRYING IT OUT TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY , THAT CAN REDEEM YOU . 083338 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 00am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Anatatachiwa Hontoni Chimaranayi Desuyo ! 083339 00001 jlaing11 - 10 : 01am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage . H . L . Mencken > 00003 gregk13 2 / 17 / 99 9 : 56am } 00004 *Nope , we ' re on our own I fear . 083340 00001 supkis - 10 : 02am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) > 00002 Janitie , } 00003 *please stop screaming . It is unpleasant and makes you seem like a rigth winger . It also makes you seem like that idiot jap chap here . 083341 00001 supkis - 10 : 04am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Howdy , > 00003 Sapka . } 00004 *Some people mix up our names which is amusing . Watch your step . 083342 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 04am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Bokuwa Nihonjin desuyo , honto ! Anatatachiwa Hontoni Chimaranayidesune ! 083343 00001 k0cxc0 - 10 : 06am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 chinagirlz1 2 / 17 / 99 9 : 55am } 00004 *chinagirlz1 , my rebuttal . Yes , it ' s my friends fault he didn ' t leave . I do remember that he asked for raises , but they didn ' t do " raises " . I live in Los Angeles . There are many people here who do not speak fluent English and so are not guaranteed any type of equal employment opportunites . Churches , community outreach programs , and even some local school sponsored activities are readily available to those who wish to further their knowledge of the English language , if that is what he / she desires . They are basically the equivalent of slave labor . Because they usually have many mouths to feed , they take jobs that others will not take . And they are usually willing to work for very little . Are they condemned to work for someone else ? Were they told that they could live nowhere else but Los Angeles ? Were they instructed that they MUST take low paying jobs ? America is full of opportunities . ( These are legal immigrants , mind you -- some of them have been here for 20 years . ) They should be congratulated for being a part of the American dream legally . ( I honestly mean that ) . Employers take advantage of this . They give raises very sparingly , knowing that the person cannot easily switch jobs . $8 an hour is a ton of money for a lot of them ( especially with a lot of overtime ) . If your friends have a special skill , there are many programs and services that will teach them how to take that skill and turn it into a profitable business , in which they are the boss . Depending upon what product or service they could offer the community of Los Angeles , I would be willing to bet that they could start a business that could make them far more than $8 an hour . 083344 00001 daisy_98 - 10 : 06am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) > 00002 yasuoka4 } 00003 *is in dire need of a complete througout hara-kiri treatment . Call in the doctor . 083345 00001 gregk13 - 10 : 06am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) > 00002 arian35 , } 00003 *Re : " Mr . Clinton is now irrelevant . A very wounded lame duck . " } 00004 *Not if the Repubs want to have any chance of retaining the Congress will he be very lame . They will have to move on some legislation as a cover against the " party of investigation " label . BC get the rhythm from such endeavors . They have to play to his tune . They are doing just that . He has set the agenda and they ' re following . Outfoxed again . } 00005 *RE : " But it ' s the missus--that liberal / socialist being promoted ( as we speak ) as the savior ( savioress ? ) of the Democrat party . She is more frightening than BC because she actually HAS ideas ! ! ! ! ! ! " } 00006 *It ' s not the Dems that have to be saved . At least be honest . 083346 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 07am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 083347 00001 bbb0bbb - 10 : 07am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Since the Clintonites love to cite polls so much , here ' s one being run from the USA Today website . In answer to the question Do you favor Hillary Clinton running for the Senate in NY State , 53% of respondents vote absolutely not , twice as many who are definitely in favor . Talk about fallout from the impeachment hearings , hey ! I ' ll bet you though , that if Hillary left Billy boy , her popularity would go up enormously . She ' d get my vote ! 083348 00001 supkis - 10 : 08am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) > 00002 bbbb} 00003 *--the " poll " you cite is what we call an " unscientific " poll which gives a limited audience unlimited votes . I can see the right wing running madly about punching in " votes " on all those dumb " polls " all the media run on the internet . So don ' t worry , be happy . NY state is a queer and awful place and anything can happen here , I assure you . 083349 00001 gregk13 - 10 : 09am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) > 00002 supkis , } 00003 *RE : " Greg , Rudy has to deal with the reality that things are beginning to fall apart for him . And his battle with Pataki and Mucha ( bet you don ' t know who that dame is ) is going to ravage him . } 00004 *His mistress / aide . All over the local news . } 00005 *RE : " Hillary ' s problem will come from Sharpton , as you can see . But Sharpton has limited ability to raise votes . } 00006 *It ' s the Black vote I ' m speaking of . They will have to accommodate because she wouldn ' t need that kind of pressure from a perceived core constituency . } 00007 *RE : McCall might beat Hillary but he isn ' t running . I hope he runs for Gov . } 00008 *I ' ve always viewed him as dapper , debonair and extremely intelligent and capable . 083350 00001 chinagirlz1 - 10 : 09am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) > 00002 k0cxc0 } 00003 *You just backed up what I ' ve been saying : If the father doesn ' t pay then the community should support children . And we are all one big community here in these United States , now aren ' t we ? 083351 00001 sapka - 10 : 10am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Toilet > 00003 samurai ( yasuoka4 ) } 00004 *could be Ken Starr ' s secret boyfriend . 083352 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 10am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Hey , guys ! We Superior Japanese people all think that billy boy should commit harakiri immediately ! How do you guys think ? 083353 00001 bjklinton - 10 : 10am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Never meet a woman who wouldn ' t suck . Huck-A-Billy Flynton Why it ' s hilarious to think Hillary for US senate from NY . Let ' s get some answers on : o Travelgate o Rose Billing records o FBI Files o Palistanian Independent State o Commododies trading o Senior Thesis o Carpetbagging o Public education ( not Chelseas ) ROTFLMAO 083354 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 11am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Hey , guys ! We Superior Japanese people all think that billy boy should commit harakiri immediately ! How do you guys think ? 083355 00001 janiti4 - 10 : 13am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *TRUTH IN MORONIC SIMPLICITY WITH THE LOSS OF THE RIGHT , THERE EMERGES A VACUUM TO BE FILLED BY SOME OTHER PRESUMPTIOUS INSIGNIFICANT FORCE . 083356 00001 tboucher4 - 10 : 14am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) > 00002 Hal } 00003 *I clicked . Interesting . Picked up several bushels as a kid in NJ . Minimum wage was $1 . 10 as I recall . Health plan was simple , twist an ankle , go home , come back when you can walk again . You have considerable income from other sources , which makes your point difficult to grasp . 083357 00001 supkis - 10 : 14am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Zenia Mucha , Pataki ' s attack dog , hates Rudy and will move heaven and earth to bury him if not stab him in the back . I know Rudy has a typical Republican marriage and mistress . The Lt . Gov . of NY is getting divorced too , and she blames her husband . So much for " defense of marriage " and " family values " ---I think the GOP was thinking of the Addams family . Actually , the Addams family is a fine extended family ! I think the cartoon characters are better behaved than most GOPers . 083358 00001 halmbrown - 10 : 14am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83478 ) } 00002 *Occassionally I post about something I actually know about 00003 farm labor for example . Here in Massachusetts , but more so in California , crop farmers rely on immigrant labor because citizens simply won ' t do the stoop labor that needs to be done . We have paid $13 an hour for central american " weeders " to labor companies who paid them only minimum wage . They often came to work with no lunch because they couldn ' t afford to feed themselves at work and their kids at home . We ended up feeding all of them . Slowly these people will break out of these low paying jobs on their own initiative . But I think k0ckz0 might do well to understand how difficult this is for them . 083359 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 15am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83475 ) > 00002 Sapka , } 00003 *What a nasty and foul-mouthed bad boy you are ! You are another bad boy who needs to commit harakiri immediately ! 083360 00001 daisy_98 - 10 : 15am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83475 ) } 00002 * " From the beginning the impeachment was about sex ( with some tangential themes relating to partisan politics and independent prosecutors ) , and from the beginning it was a gross misuse of public funds , legislative time and media attention . Future generations can decide if it was historic -but I , for one , am glad it ' s finally history . " -Kathryn Schulz is a freelance writer based in Portland , Oregon . 083361 00001 arian35 - 10 : 15am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83475 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin > 00003 supkis } 00004 *Ideas I like . It ' s the " substance " of Ms . Clinton ' s ideas that concern me . It is also troublesome that the Democrats seem to be " paving " a risk-free road for her to travel . Several " suggestions " involve a no-opposition primary and a three-party election which would " favor " her . ( And everyone pooh-poohed the impact Ross Perot had on the last two presidential elections ! Yeah , right ! ! ! ! ) Third party candidates : beware . You are being USED ! 083362 00001 sapka - 10 : 15am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83475 ) > 00002 Toilet samurai ( yasuoka4 ) : } 00003 *You superior japanese people must be using your genitalia all the time , that ' s why your brain is in permanent stand by . 083363 00001 k0cxc0 - 10 : 18am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83475 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 chinagirlz1 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 09am } 00004 *chinagirlz1 , I agree with you that the " community " should assist in helping out those in special need ( i . e . : the single mother situation you described ) . However , a monumental difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Democrats believe in the government as the " community leader " , Republicans do not . Speaking for myself , I believe that local community members that derive benefit from that local community have the responsibility to assist those members of their local community when the need arises . I further believe that this helping should be because the members of that community WANT to , not HAVE to . Common sense arises when I am TOLD that I HAVE to pay for neglected single mothers in Wisconsin , when I live in Colorado . If my conscious pushes me to help those in need , there are plenty of local programs and churches that I can donate my money and time to . Republicans tend to disagree with the assumption that mother government should take care of us all . 083364 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 19am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83475 ) } 00002 *I am a fearless Samurai Warrior fighting for our Hawaii and Guam back from Red America ! Now are you guys gonna vote for the handover of Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire ? 083365 00001 supkis - 10 : 22am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83475 ) > 00002 Arian , } 00003 *you obviously never did politics in NYC or NY state . We have no " ruler " who can prevent anyone from messing up the Democatic ticket ! Once upon a time there were such critters---one was in Brooklyn and his name was Meade Esposito . I helped send him to prison when he tried to interfere with us running candidates he disapproved of ! The GOP has Powers running the show , but he is losing power what with the downfall of D ' Amato , but don ' t count him out . The GOP is weaker in the LONG run because they will run party hacks and eventually this leads to being out of touch with voters . Ask Meade ( he is dead ) . SOOO the Democrats will have the usual messy upstart nonsense and will produce better and better candidates who have to work to get elected . Ask D ' amato how it feels to lose to a Dem who had to fight ferociously to get nominated . 083366 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 23am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83475 ) > 00002 Sapka , } 00003 *Are you growing up by eating shiiiit ? It must be , so now you are so good at sprout bullshiiit in public ! Go to commit harakiri now ! 083367 00001 chinagirlz1 - 10 : 23am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83475 ) > 00002 k0cxc0 } 00003 *The reason why most of the people I work with don ' t take English classes is because they work 78 hour weeks typically ( and they need the money so they are willing to work it ) . Many of the women have small children so you can imagine how well this works out . ( They work the night shift , so their husbands can work days -- but they have to be up during the day for the kids . ) English classes would be nice , and a few people try to sneak them in when the work load lightens up , but it always gets heavy again -and they need the money so they work . The business we are in is so highly specialized that there are only a few companies that compete with us nationwide . The equipment is extremely expensive . ( We are getting a new piece of equipment that cost $6 million next week . ) For them to start their own businesses using the things they have learned at this business would be cost-prohibitive . Let ' s face it : If you make $8 an hour for the first 40 hours and $12 an hour for the next 38 , you are doing okay . The only people who have really had a hard time surviving are the ones who were on welfare before they got hired . They are making minimum wage ( only 1 has actually worked out over the long run ) . For some reason , the company thinks they can get away with paying them less than anyone -- so it ' s really tough on them . 083368 00001 k0cxc0 - 10 : 26am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan In response to out frequent Japanese poster : Now are you guys gonna vote for the handover of Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire ? Why don ' t you TRY to take it ? 083369 00001 tmocars - 10 : 27am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *Hey ! Stop picking on Harry Carey . He ' s in the Hall of Fame . 083370 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 28am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 083371 00001 halmbrown - 10 : 28am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *btw : > 00003 supkis , } 00004 *you have a great new senator ! Our god daughter knows him , believe me he is all you think he is , not a phony bone in his body . Besides , he and our great , funny , brilliant rep . , Barney , are pals . 083372 00001 tboucher4 - 10 : 30am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 * " SOOO the Democrats will have the usual messy upstart nonsense and will produce better and better candidates who have to work to get elected . Ask D ' amato how it feels to lose to a Dem who had to fight ferociously to get nominated . " } 00003 *Sooo , you got Chuck Schumer , Enjoy . 083373 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 35am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *I am a fearless Samurai Warrior fighting for our Hawaii and Guam back from Red America ! Now are you guys gonna vote for the handover of Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire ? Sayonara ! 083374 00001 gregk13 - 10 : 39am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *VLWC Roll Call : > 00003 Gregk , > 00004 Wanderer , > 00005 GatorRon , > 00006 Ratty , > 00007 Davidpell , > 00008 Don K . , Adaplant , > 00009 Daisey , > 00010 Elizabeth , > 00011 Chinagirlz , > 00012 Butler555 , > 00013 Supkis , > 00014 Halmbrown , > 00015 Jtat , > 00016 Jwatt , > 00017 Indy , > 00018 jjfrune , > 00019 Dr . Laing , > 00020 Macer , > 00021 ericsantiago , > 00022 mike , > 00023 Werner , > 00024 W . Mason , > 00025 MajorTom , > 00026 FatLadySinging , > 00027 Roger660 , > 00028 Pdomingo , > 00029 SearingTruth , > 00030 Spinthis , > 00031 Shotty , > 00032 Collocate , > 00033 Dajman , > 00034 BobMcKeow , > 00035 MataHari , > 00036 jzatta , > 00037 teri reilly , , > 00038 Lashlaru , > 00039 Scotc4 , > 00040 Royalcoachman , > 00041 Clair33b , > 00042 sapka , > 00043 ajg3x , > 00044 averrona , > 00045 godiva3ft , > 00046 Verona , > 00047 fpdoa , > 00048 Sportly , > 00049 NormanNYU , > 00050 csil1 , > 00051 GwenWood , > 00052 Klambal , > 00053 lioneagle , > 00054 whatsthetruth , > 00055 bobbilljacobs , > 00056 hershbjw1b , > 00057 Prezibes } 00058 *Please fill free to add names . Don ' t want to leave any comrades , oops I mean supporter out . 083375 00001 sapka - 10 : 39am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) > 00002 Yasuoka , pimpinoka , Pyongyang roach , toilet samurai : } 00003 *Piss off ! 083376 00001 arian35 - 10 : 39am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin > 00003 supkis } 00004 *I know nothing about NY politics , and am not ashamed ! ! ! To midwesterners , everything east of Lake Ontario is " a nice place to visit , but we don ' t want to live there ! " We also feel that way about everything west of the Rockies ! 00005 FYI a savvy pol was on Hardball--don ' t recall his name but Matthews thought he had his finger on the pulse ! --and said that Hillary would have " her clock cleaned . " How about that ! ! ! Apparently , HC is going to have to backtrack on some of her more inane statements , for example , the Palestinians should have a State ! Won ' t play with the Jewish population ! 083377 00001 macer235 - 10 : 39am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *TO UNDERSTAND HOW UGLY AND EXTREME THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BECOME , GO TO THIS SITE : www . publiuspress . com THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST REVEALING SITES ON THE INTERNET Click on right links ( It also has left links which I haven ' t check : t extremists that could mean anything from the NY Times to the Communist Party ) . The following heading was found on the " Committee to Impeach the President . " The very title rebuts all arguments that the recent Kangaroo Court had anything to do with the alleged charges of perjury or lying under oath . CIC Headlines : COWARDS AND CRIMINALS IN SENATE SIDE WITH CLINTON CRIMINAL ELEMENT PERJURY : 45 GUILTY , 55 NOT GUILTY OBSTRUCTION : 50 GUILTY , 50 NOT GUILTY Also , check out the " Landmark Legal Foundation , " which is trying to revive the Paula Jones case for the third time as an instrument to get the president . I have written several moderate Republican governors urging them to defect in protest against this latest move by the right . I also plan to contact several moderate Senators . If just one defects in protest , it would put the Republican Party--and its religious right in particular--under the media microscope and thus under public scrutiny . 083378 00001 willy-g- - 10 : 39am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *History will record bill flinton as the second worst-ever president , under Nixon -Gallop Poll 2 / 99 . > 00003 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 19am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( #83364 of 83373 ) } 00004 *I am a fearless Samurai Warrior fighting for our Hawaii and Guam back from Red America ! } 00005 *REPLY : Go eat a dog . 083379 00001 tmocars - 10 : 41am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *I can ' t believe the people of NY would be so stupid as to elect somebody who doesn ' t really live there , has no idea what the people of NY are like or about , and would only be using her status as another rich bi**ch to get elected . No , I can ' t believe it , but what else do you expect from the east coast ? 083380 00001 thewolf1 - 10 : 42am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } thewolf1 - 10 : 42am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83391 ) } 00002 *Should President Bill Clinton be cited for contempt of court ? * 4205 responsesYes 77% No 23% *Should President Bill Clinton be cited for contempt of court ? * 4205 responsesYes 77% No 23% } 00003 *REPLY : Is this an open survey or a poll ? If poll , who ran it ? 083381 00001 arian35 - 10 : 43am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin > 00003 supkis } 00004 *I know nothing about NY politics , and am not ashamed ! ! ! } 00005 *To midwesterners , everything east of Lake Ontario is " a nice place to visit , but we don ' t want to live there ! " We also feel that way about everything west of the Rockies ! 00006 FYI a savvy pol was on Hardball--don ' t recall his name but Matthews thought he had his finger on the pulse ! --and said that Hillary would have " her clock cleaned . " How about that ! ! ! Apparently , HC is going to have to backtrack on some of her more inane statements , for example , there should be a Palestinian State . Won ' t wash with the Jewish population ! ( aside ) Instead of that aspirin factory , it ' s too bad BC didn ' t have the foresight to bomb a small island nation near the China Sea . Then we wouldn ' t have the problem we are having NOW ! ) 083382 00001 halmbrown - 10 : 44am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) > 00002 tmocars : } 00003 *History lesson : They elected Robert Kennedy . 083383 00001 k0cxc0 - 10 : 45am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 chinagirlz1 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 23am } 00004 *chinagirlz1 , without knowing the specifics of the industry your friend is involved in , I ' ll take your word that it would be highly unlikely that this one person could start up a small business without some major sacrafices . However , I ' d have to ask a few questions about this : If you are convinced that these people are doomed to an eternity of this one industry , what is the answer ? Are these people unable to learn new trades ? Are these people unable to ask for assistance from their community ( i . e . : churches , local re-training programs , etc . ) ? Are these people confined to the city limits of Los Angeles ? 083384 00001 arian35 - 10 : 47am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin I ' ll be back later . 083385 00001 thewolf1 - 10 : 47am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *U . S . DISTRICT JUDGE Susan Webber Wright said she had waited to address the issue because of the impeachment trial and the fact that Jones ' case had been pending before an appeals court . It was settled in December for $850 , 000 . " Accordingly , I believe that now it is time for the court to address the contempt issue , " she said in an order issued Tuesday after a status conference with lawyers . Wright also said she would step aside from the case if she were asked to do so by attorneys because of her contact with a House impeachment case manager . She gave lawyers until Friday to file a request that she remove herself . The White House referred all requests for comment to Clinton ' s private lawyer in the case , Robert Bennett . Bennett did not immediately return a call to his office seeking comment . Wright raised the possibility of contempt in a footnote to her decision on Sept . 1 to release a transcript of Clinton ' s testimony in a deposition in the Jones sexual harassment case . EXPRESSED CONCERN At the time , Wright said she " has concerns about the nature of the president ' s January 17 , 1998 , deposition " but " makes no findings at this time regarding whether the president may be in contempt . " In the deposition , Clinton said : " I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky . " He acknowledged Aug . 17 before a federal grand jury - and again in a nationally televised address - that he had an inappropriate relationship with Lewinsky . Landmark Legal Foundation , a conservative legal group in Washington , filed a formal petition with Wright months ago seeking a court hearing on whether Clinton was in contempt of court because of what the private organization called his " apparently false testimony . " The foundation said " the court has the right , if not the duty , to defend itself against obstructive acts committed in its presence . " 083386 00001 taymar8326 - 10 : 48am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) > 00002 china re ; - 09 : 55am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( # of 83367 ) } 00003 * " Yes , it ' s my friends fault he didn ' t leave . I do remember that he asked for raises , but they didn ' t do " raises " . I live in Los Angeles . There are many people here who do not speak fluent English and so are not guaranteed any type of equal employment opportunites . They are basically the equivalent of slave labor . Because they usually have many mouths to feed , they take jobs that others will not take . And they are usually willing to work for very little . ( These are legal immigrants , mind you -- some of them have been here for 20 years . ) " In country [20] years or more , still don ' t speak the language [English that is] , Don ' t know the customs , willing to work for very little [more than their getting on the other side of the border , the side they belong on] . Sucking up jobs like a vacuum cleaner in heat . } 00004 *No wonder California is broke . } 00005 * " Employers take advantage of this . They give raises very sparingly , knowing that the person cannot easily switch jobs . " } 00006 *They deserve to be taken advantage of . } 00007 * " $8 an hour is a ton of money for a lot of them ( especially with a lot of overtime ) . " } 00008 *$8 . 00 an hr . " with plenty of overtime " is a lot of money to many American families also . I guess they once again are forced to suck hind tit . As long as it fits your agenda I suppose it ' s OK . > 00009 arian35 re ; - 09 : 56am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( # of 83367 ) } 00010 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin KO " I am a Republican conservative . FYI ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! supkis and china : Perilously close to blasphemy ! ! ! } 00011 *I was about to introduce the matter of Ms . Clinton ' s run for the Senate . Thanks for the lead-in . " Sorry for the untimely response . As far as Lady Hillary is concerned . . . I wonder if she ' ll represent herself . . . or charge it off to the taxpayers . One never knows do one . 083387 00001 d-fendr - 10 : 48am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *NY state law only requires that a senate candidate be a resident of NY at the time of the election . I do have some sympathy for Hillary , she ' s had to pretty much support the family for a long time . Thank God for cattle futures , eh ? 083388 00001 halmbrown - 10 : 50am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) > 00002 k0cxc0 , } 00003 *what ever happened to the 1 , 000 points of light ? It is a great concept in theory , but there aren ' t eonough altuistic Americans to pull it off . What about all those churchs who don ' t open for after school programs for disadvantaged youth , who don ' t provide day care for working mothers , etc . I applaud those who do , and consider the others hypocrites hardly worthy of their tax exemptions . 083389 00001 willy-g- - 10 : 51am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *History will record bill flinton as the second worst-ever president , under Nixon -Gallop Poll 2 / 99 . The NY Times is a transparent front for the demo-rat agenda . They give front page attention to an old , old , old story that Starr ' s long held legal opinion is that he believes it is within the constitution to indict a sitting president . Then they don`t even report that the three judge panel has cleared Starr of illegal leaks and cleared Starr of violating ML`s rights w / respect to her lawyers . S-H-A-M ! Also today`s real headline , despite the insistance by the NYT that rod-ham for senate or the details of flint-ons Mexico trip is news , is really flint-on`s continued legal troubles : JUDGE MIGHT PUNISH PREZ ON CONTEMPT CHARGE By BRIAN BLOMQUIST - WASHINGTON - President Clinton is not out of the woods yet - as Sexgate Judge Susan Webber Wright yesterday said that " now is the time " to decide if Clinton should be found in contempt of court . Wright told other lawyers involved in the Paula Jones case that she might find Clinton in contempt for denying in the Jones suit that he ' d had sex with Monica Lewinsky and filing Lewinsky ' s affidavit into the record . The judge hinted to lawyers that she might also slap Clinton with a contempt finding for violating her gag order by talking about his sworn deposition twice with his secretary , Betty Currie . " The issue in an impeachment proceeding . . . is the president ' s fitness for office , while contempt proceedings are designed to preserve the integrity of the court ' s proceedings and provide a means of enforcement of its orders , " Wright ruled . ______It won`t matter if the NYT won`t report it . The Federal Judge will make certain this issue is addressed . 083390 00001 supkis - 10 : 52am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83473 ) } 00002 *Plenty of Senatorial candidates never came " from " their states such as McCain . He ain ' t no Arizonan like I am . He came from outside the state . Like many many other Senators . This is normal in America . Why NY should be different is beyond me . Remember when Bush declared Texas his home even though his houses were in Washington and Maine ? 083391 00001 d-fendr - 10 : 52am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83472 ) } 00002 *Volunteer time peaked in 1989 . Government ' charity ' suppresses community and personal charity . " Let the government do it . " pushes out personal responsibility . 083392 00001 d-fendr - 10 : 54am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83472 ) > 00002 supkis , } 00003 *I ' m a native of Texas and have long considered Bush one as well . This is where he chose to start his family and business and where he calls home , where he retired to as well . 083393 00001 supkis - 10 : 54am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83472 ) } 00002 *Note the many hours dfender spends working for charity . 083394 00001 tmocars - 10 : 55am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83472 ) > 00002 macer : } 00003 *go to www . publiuspress . com } 00004 *Okay , I did , and your ranting is typical of the duplicitous democratic ploy of assigning guilt by association . First , publiuspress makes NO mention at all of any affiliation to the Republican Party . Second , the link and the headlines you cite do indeed exist . However , they are from a completely different Internet site : www . impeachclinton . org Again , there is NO asserted affiliation to either Publius or the REpublican Party . 083395 00001 taymar8326 - 10 : 56am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83472 ) > 00002 janiti4 - 10 : 00am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( #83337 of 83367 ) } 00003 *TRUTH IN MORONIC SIMPLICITY HYDE , SINCE AT THE AGE OF 76 YOU SHOULD STILL BE YOUTHFUL ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION , YOU LOST THE GAME AND THERE IS STILL TIME FOR YOU TO PLAY RIGHT AND NOT MAKE AN ARSE OF YOURSELF . THERE REALLY IS NO BETTER COUNTRY FOR YOU TO GO TO . RELAX AND TRY TO LOSE SOME WEIGHT . TRY TO RETHINK WHO YOU ARE AND WHO YOU CAN BE . THE WORD NICE SHOULD BE PART OF IT . SMILES AND CUTE WORDS DONT CUT IT . IT IS A SINCERE EFFORT TO RECOGNIZE YOUR LEADERSHIP RESPONSIBILITY AND CARRYING IT OUT TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY , THAT CAN REDEEM YOU } 00004 *A supporter of Bill Clinton has the unmitigated gall to toss these stones . . . publicly no less . That my friend takes ' pawn brokers balls ' . Large and solid brass . 083396 00001 willy-g- - 10 : 56am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83472 ) } 00002 *History will record bill flinton as the second worst-ever president , under Nixon -Gallop Poll 2 / 99 . 083397 00001 supkis - 10 : 57am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83472 ) } 00002 *His home in Texas was a hotel room for over 20 years which is a long stretch . He had a real house in Maine and Virginia all that time but he wanted the Texas tax breaks so he happily leached off of the tax payers of Viginnie and Maine . Typical Republican . Talks about locals taking charge and then he doesn ' t pull the sled but hitches a free ride . 083398 00001 halmbrown - 10 : 57am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83472 ) > 00002 d-fendr - 10 : 52am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( #83391 of 83391 ) } 00003 *Volunteer time peaked in 1989 . Government ' charity ' suppresses community and personal charity . " Let the government do it . " pushes out personal responsibility . And there , geese and goslings , we have a basic difference in philosophy and belief systems between Republicans and Democrats . 083399 00001 k0cxc0 - 10 : 57am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83472 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 halmbrown 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 50am } 00004 *halmbrown , your post demonsrates another difference between Democrats and Republicans . In general , Republicans tend to believe that people are naturally good , whereas Democrats tend to believe people are naturally selfish . } 00005 * " I applaud those who do , and consider the others hypocrites hardly worthy of their tax exemptions . " } 00006 *I concur . 083400 00001 willy-g- - 11 : 00am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83472 ) } 00002 *History will record bill flinton as the second worst-ever president , under Nixon -Gallop Poll 2 / 99 . > 00003 taymar8326 - 10 : 56am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( #83395 of 83396 ) > 00004 janiti4 - 10 : 00am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( §§083337 of 83367 ) } 00005 *TRUTH IN MORONIC SIMPLICITY HYDE , SINCE AT THE AGE OF 76 YOU SHOULD STILL BE YOUTHFUL ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION , YOU LOST THE GAME } 00006 *REPLY : Funny , all the post-impeachment stories are putting Henry Hyde , great American Hero , on the winners side . He is stronger than ever , despite your feeble attempt to smear . 083401 00001 crzim - 11 : 01am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83461 ) > 00002 Supkis : } 00003 *You are incredibly stupid , even for this forum . Do us all a favor and take your inanities elsewhere , dearie . Oh , and darling , save your breath . I ' ll do it for you . You ' re an idiot . 083402 00001 supkis - 11 : 01am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83461 ) } 00002 * " Republicans believe people are basically good " ? ? ? ? } 00003 *Wow , that is a new delusion for me to ponder on . It seems strange , coming from people who assume we Dems are all devils . I can ' t put the two concepts into one person , so I assume the Republican poster who said this is pulling our legs ? 083403 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 01am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83461 ) > 00002 supkis , } 00003 *Charity is much better decided as close to home as possible . Government charity lacks accountability and efficiency . It also removes the personal moral obligation . Enforced morality loses much of its moral and personal value . It deprives both the giver and the receiver . 083404 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 02am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83461 ) } 00002 *Sure , the basic difference between proponents of less government and more government is the underlying view of people . Less government means more reliance on the individual and more confidence in them . More government means people can ' t do it without government help less confidence in the individual . 083405 00001 willy-g- - 11 : 04am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83461 ) } 00002 *History will record bill flinton as the second worst-ever president , under Nixon -Gallop Poll 2 / 99 . JUDGE MIGHT PUNISH PREZ ON CONTEMPT CHARGE By BRIAN BLOMQUIST WASHINGTON President Clinton is not out of the woods yet - as Sexgate Judge Susan Webber Wright yesterday said that " now is the time " to decide if Clinton should be found in contempt of court . " I believe that now is the time for the court to address the contempt issue , " Wright said in an order that struck the White House like a thunderbolt . Wright told other lawyers involved in the Paula Jones case that she might find Clinton in contempt for denying in the Jones suit that he ' d had sex with Monica Lewinsky and filing Lewinsky ' s affidavit into the record . The judge hinted to lawyers that she might also slap Clinton with a contempt finding for violating her gag order by talking about his sworn deposition twice with his secretary , Betty Currie . But if the judge wants to take up Clinton ' s conversations with Currie , she ' ll probably hold a " show cause " hearing in which Clinton - either in person or by videotape - would have to explain why he ' s innocent . Punishment for contempt can take numerous forms , including jail . Wright said she ' s taking up the contempt issue now because the impeachment trial is over and because the Jones lawsuit is no longer under appeal . " The court did not want to interfere in any way with the impeachment proceedings then under way , which are governed by different standards , " Wright wrote in her ruling . " The issue in an impeachment proceeding . . . is the president ' s fitness for office , while contempt proceedings are designed to preserve the integrity of the court ' s proceedings and provide a means of enforcement of its orders , " Wright ruled . 083406 00001 supkis - 11 : 05am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83461 ) > 00002 Crzim , } 00003 *are you steamed because I called Bush a chiseler ? He was , you know , since all his good and wonderful neighbors had to make up for his refusal to pay taxes . This wonderful man was acting like many reich people act---thinking about #1 while talking about how we all must voluntarily give to the poor and simultaneously trying heroically to avoid this very thing . The GOP came up with the neat idea that the people of Palm Beach will take care of the poor in Palm Beach ( only one Rolls Royce ? Poor dearie ) while the rich people in Newark get to tend to the poor all by themselves with no help from Palm Beach . A neat philosophy ! How charming , how perfect , how sensible if one wants to avoid helping the poor ! I couldn ' t do better if I tried and tried . 083407 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 06am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83461 ) > 00002 k0cxc0 } 00003 *I agree that you ' ve hit one something there , except I think you ' re referring to moderate Republicans . The far right is too quick to demonize , as is the extreme left . Moderate Democrats are often suspicious of uncontrolled free enterprise because there are those who will abuse consumers if given free reign . Look at the recent revelations about Sears and how they illegally abused credit card customers who went bankrupt to the tune of a half billion dollars . Alas , Horatio Alger is a fictional character . How many Republicans got Federally subsidized student loans or small business loans to get started ? I tend to see people as driven by complex motives , some more good than bad , others more bad then good . 083408 00001 k0cxc0 - 11 : 06am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83461 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 d-fendr , } 00004 *Thanks , I couldn ' t have wrote it better myself . Supkis , no , I ' m not pulling your leg . I believe Democrats and Republicans both feel that it is necessary to help those less fortunate than themselves , however , Democrats want mother hog to have all suckle the teet . Republicans want individuals to rise to the occasion to help their neighbor . Both have their hearts in the right place , but how we go about it makes us different . 083409 00001 willy-g- - 11 : 07am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83461 ) } 00002 *History will record bill flinton as the second worst-ever president , under Nixon -Gallop Poll 2 / 99 . > 00003 Supkis : } 00004 *You are incredibly stupid , even for this forum . Do us all a favor and take your inanities elsewhere , dearie . Oh , and darling , save your breath . I ' ll do it for you . You ' re an idiot . > 00005 soupy : } 00006 *Your arguments are so easily taken apart . You make it to easy . 083410 00001 sapka - 11 : 07am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83461 ) > 00002 supkis Feb 17 , 1999 10 : 04 am : } 00003 * " Watch your step " } 00004 *Thank you for the advice . Sapka means bonnet , cap , hat in hungarian . 083411 00001 tboucher4 - 11 : 08am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83460 ) > 00002 k0cxc0 } 00003 *The cornerstone of the Dem agenda is ( and has been for over 40 years ) government dependence for all . They have been quite sucsessful with this and can see no reason to change now . China and her crowd will never admit to this institutional racism . They have become expert at bait and switch tactics . " You folks at minimum wage , vote Democrat . We ' ll get you another buck an hour . " ( and doom all of you to your present position ) 083412 00001 shotty1 - 11 : 08am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83460 ) > 00002 willy-g ; } 00003 *Funny how you quote the polls when they agree with your stance . I thought polls were irrelevant . As for Hyde you may want to lionize him but he is no hero and in fact has risen to lying and distortion during post impeachment interviews . 083413 00001 supkis - 11 : 11am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83460 ) } supkis - 11 : 11am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83417 ) } 00002 *So Ms . Very Poor gets to help Mr . Poverty while Ms . Filthy Rich gets to assist Mr . Billionaire ? How sensible if the two rich people want to avoid the poor and force the poor to assist each other ! A charming , typical GOP idea , one that deserves a quick death . Ask Jesus . *So Ms . Very Poor gets to help Mr . Poverty while Ms . Filthy Rich gets to assist Mr . Billionaire ? How sensible if the two rich people want to avoid the poor and force the poor to assist each other ! A charming , typical GOP idea , one that deserves a quick death . Ask Jesus . Trying to get them to put Christ back in Christianity ! ! ! ! ! 083414 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 12am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83460 ) > 00002 crzim , } 00003 *dearie , darling : you might show some creativity in criticizing supkis for what you appparently assume is a low IQ . Is anyone who disagrees with you intellectually challenged ? 083415 00001 crzim - 11 : 13am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83460 ) > 00002 Supkis : } 00003 *I dont give a rat ' s ass about Bush , Clinton , or any other politician . I am not a partisan like you . I ' m just tired of your inanities and stupidity . Your stupidity goes beyond partisanship -- you are a bipartisan idiot . Tah , tah , dearie . 083416 00001 k0cxc0 - 11 : 13am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83460 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 halmbrown 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 06am } 00004 *halmbrown , I consider myself a mainstream Conservative , not a moderate . A moderate is by definition one that has no conviction one way or the other . That is not me . } 00005 * " How many Republicans got Federally subsidized student loans or small business loans to get started ? " } 00006 *Personally , I got neither . However , Republicans believe that these programs are exactly what they are called . . . " loans " . Temporarily over-looking the details of these programs , I believe the intent is for the receiver of the loan to pay the money back , plus interest . 083417 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 13am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83460 ) } 00002 *Bush is a Texan and has been since he married and moved to West Texas to start a business and raise a family . It ' s where he ran for political office ( once against Lloyd Bentsen who called Bush ' too liberal ' : ) Texas is where his presidential library is and where he currently resides . We ' ve long considered Bush a Texan , and are proud to . Maybe you ' re just jealous Supkis , perhaps your state can get a Bush grandchild if you ' re lucky . : ) 083418 00001 supkis - 11 : 15am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83460 ) > 00002 Hal , } 00003 *got to deal with the snow plow and clean the bs in the ox stalls so it is ta-ta time and charity to all and to all a good night ! Have fun , don ' t snore and don ' t wipe your noses on the windowpanes when it is below zero ! 083419 00001 supkis - 11 : 15am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83460 ) } 00002 *He don ' t live there for over 20 years , kiddo . ta ta . 083420 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 16am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83460 ) } 00002 *Now you ' ve gone too far ! 083421 00001 dougl4b - 11 : 18am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83458 ) } 00002 *Republicans want individuals to rise to the occasion to help their neighbor . Both have their hearts in the right place , but how we go about it makes us different . } 00003 *Wanting everything to be hunky dory doesn ' t make it happen . So the conservatives have this pie in the sky philosophy that poverty , hunger , and sickness will disappear if the nasty old government will just get out of the way . Well , this wasn ' t the case before government got ( more ) involved and it wouldn ' t be the case if the conservatives get their way and gutted government programs that help people . Besides , all of this rot is just a thinly veiled attempt to take the pittance that we give to help poor people and give it to the rich . 083422 00001 k0cxc0 - 11 : 20am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83458 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 supkis 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 11am } 00004 *supkis , unfortunately , your post radiates a common theme among Democrat politicians . . . Class Envy . Personally , if Ms . Filthy Rich and Mr . Billionaire are selfish , and cannot , on their own initiative , help others that are less fortunate than they are , I believe they will be forced to put on a big sing and dance show for the Man upstairs . If they won ' t hold themselves accountable and responsibile down here , then ( according to my faith ) God will surely hold them accountable up there . Besides , what is preventing Ms . Very Poor and Mr . Poverty from changing their names ? 083423 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 21am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83458 ) > 00002 k0 } 00003 *I may be wrong , but I think Federally supsidized loan means that you get a lower interest rate than you would with a commercial loan , thus the tax payer is helping you out even though you have to pay it back . 083424 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 21am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83458 ) > 00002 supkis , } 00003 *Where ya think George was working the last 20 years of his professional life , Austin ? Bush is more a Texan than Gore is a Tennesseean . And , remember this started with Hillary being a New Yorker . ha ! : ) 083425 00001 donkirk - 11 : 21am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83458 ) } 00002 *Support Julie Hiatt Steele . Go to http : / / www . juliehiattsteele . com The ultra-conservative right-wingers seem ready to throw in the towel : " . . . what we have been doing for 30 years hasn ' t worked . . " --Paul Weyrich , ultra-conservative ' intellectual ' Read all about it . . . . 083426 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 22am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83458 ) > 00002 halm , } 00003 *I believe it is a lower rate because the government guarantees it to the banks removing the risk . 083427 00001 tboucher4 - 11 : 23am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83458 ) > 00002 dougl4b } 00003 *That would explain why , since the republicans gained control , spending has increased on these programs . 083428 00001 willy-g- - 11 : 23am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83458 ) } 00002 *History will record bill flinton as the second worst-ever president , under Nixon -Gallop Poll 2 / 99 . I will support Julie Hyatt Steele and the rest of the perjurors right to their prison cells ! ! 083429 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 24am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83458 ) } 00002 *The poor will rule the Kingdom of Heaven , something like that ? Maybe they don ' t want to , or don ' t deserve to , wait until the hereafter . And to refer back to supkis , what would Jesus say ? 083430 00001 macer235 - 11 : 26am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83458 ) } 00002 *MACER TO > 00003 TMOCARS : } 00004 *1 . You haven ' t checked those links closely at publius . press com " the link and the headlines you cite do indeed exist . However , they are from a completely different Internet site : www . impeachclinton . org Of course , they are . The point is I ' ve never been there EXCEPT THROUGH THE PUBLIUS SITE ( click right links ) . 2 . . . . your ranting is typical of the duplicitous democratic ploy of assigning guilt by association . . . publiuspress makes NO mention at all of any affiliation to the Republican Party . No , it doesn ' t but what it does to is to identify itself as a central conservative link and the brand of conservativism to which is aspires is that of the Republican ' s Religious Right , which controls the party via the primaries . Virtually every one of the organizations it list is anti-Clinton , and anti-Democrat and sees the Republican Party as the defender of the Good , the True and the Right ( although certain Republican " moderates " are looked on as traitors ) . Go to those sites and see what I mean . Next you ' ll be telling me that the Democrats made up these organizations in a Dirty Tricks plot to make the GOP look bad . Not so . The views they express are the mirror image of many anti-Clinton , " the Democrats are the party of Socialism , Liberalism and Communism " views we ' ve seen on this forum over and over . EVERYONE : YOU MUST SEE THIS INTERNET SITE Visit www . publius . com to see the real threat to our democracy and our constitution and a great reason to rebuke the Republican Party . These activists control it via campaign contributions and fanatical campaign work . 083431 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 27am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 *well > 00003 donkirk , } 00004 *do you remember Johnson ' s War on Poverty ? Was to eliminate poverty , basically by taking money from others and giving it to the poor . We were gonna get rid of poverty , a noble goal . I remember it well . Passed legislation that automatically increased at geometric rates that were mostly responsible for our huge national debt . Not to mention taking huge amounts of capital out of the normal economy . That was about $5 trillion ago , enough money to buy the entire Fortune 100 and more . I think we lost that war . Maybe it ' s time to consider a new strategy . 083432 00001 halmbrown - 11 : 27am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 d-fendr , } 00003 *which means when a person defaults , the government tries to collect and if it can ' t , they eat the loss . . . they meaning us , the taxpayers . 083433 00001 k0cxc0 - 11 : 28am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 dougl4b 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 18am } 00004 *doug14b , another example of Class Envy . However , let me address your position . Did I say that all government programs should be eliminated ? No . In fact , I believe there are some good ideas out there that the government should be involved in . What you describe are libertarians or anarchists , not Republicans . However , Democrats tend to believe that it is the federal government that is responsible . Republicans tend to believe it is the local government that is responsible . halmbrown , actually , the Federal loan program is a program that is a good one ( with some details ironed out , of course ) . 083434 00001 vrwcarea51e - 11 : 29am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 YOAH Dougie . . . . dougl4b - 11 : 18am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( #83421 of 83421 ) } 00003 *Republicans want individuals to rise to the occasion to help their neighbor . Both have their hearts in the right place , but how we go about it makes us different . Wanting everything to be hunky dory doesn ' t make it happen . So the conservatives have this pie in the sky philosophy that poverty , hunger , and sickness will disappear if the nasty old government will just get out of the way . Well , this wasn ' t the case before government got ( more ) involved and it wouldn ' t be the case if the conservatives get their way and gutted government programs that help people . Besides , all of this rot is just a thinly veiled attempt to take the pittance that we give to help poor people and give it to the rich . Please tell us ALL , who was the LIAR in Cleveland taking Credit and Proclaiming the Lowest LEVEL of Wefare rolls in 30 Years just a couple of weeks AGO ? ? ? ? Dougie says : Besides , all of this rot is just a thinly veiled attempt to take the pittance that we give to help poor people and give it to the rich . Sounds a awfully lot like blaming others for your lack of initative and willingness to Work to improve yourself . Instead you sit down in the middle of the street and pour gas over your head . . . . . Boo WHoo - those meanies ...... It ' s JUST SOOOOOO UNFAIR ! Hey , need a match ? 083435 00001 caclark1 - 11 : 29am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 *I remember the Watergate scandal so well and what a contrast it was from what we ' ve just been through . There was a reluctance back then to get the impeachment ball rolling , grounded in a disbelief that a President could actually be guilty of many of the things Nixon was being rumored to have done . But as the story unfolded both the Congress and the country moved in the direction of consensus that Nixon had to go . The more we learned of the Clinton / Lewinsky matter the more polarized the country and the Congress became over it . Yet this time around there was no reluctance on the part of Congress to consider impeachment . Instead there was a far right excitement at the prospect that was close to premature ejaculation . Now that it ' s over I can only label this saga for what it was , a failed power play on the part of a corp of right wing zealots driven mad by the stature of a progressive pragmatic President who did not share their values and who would not play the role of facilitator to their reactionary agenda for America . 083436 00001 mercenary4 - 11 : 29am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 donkirk : } 00003 *What the ultra-conservatives have decided to do is to give the country over to the liberals . After about four to six years of moronic rule , you will all be reduced to eating each other . By around 2006 , people will be heard to say : " Liberal ? Democrat ? What ' re those ? " 083437 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 35am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 macer , macer235 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 26am } 00003 *The far right is to Democrat political organizers what socialists and communists are to conservatives : the wing of the opposing party that ' s waved as a buggaboo and used to raise emotions , tempers and money . Get upset , get excited , get mad , send money , the fundraisers and GOTV team love ya for it . 083438 00001 shotty1 - 11 : 37am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 *Mr . Trott . . . oops , Mr . Lott was in town yesterday and trying to push his " forget the Impeachment , let ' s get back to our Nation ' s business , speech . The business of the country being giving the surplus back to the people ( rich people ) . The 10% across the board tax cut would send 62% of the returns to 10% of the people . Lott said " it is only fair to return the federal surplus to taxpayers in proportion to the taxes each paid . " Boy is this guy in touch or what ? 083439 00001 k0cxc0 - 11 : 37am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 halmbrown 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 27am } 00004 *halmbrown , " which means when a person defaults , the government tries to collect and if it can ' t , they eat the loss . . . they meaning us , the taxpayers . " That is one of those details I was referring to . 083440 00001 joeghowe - 11 : 37am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 *The Senate ' s farcical trial and vote allowing Clinton to remain in office was a disgrace to that institution and an abuse of the Constitution . The case the House managers brought was strong and would have been even stronger if the senators had allowed them the freedom to present the case as the Constitution provides . As a result of this fouled-up Senate process , the closed-minded partisanship of Democrats in the Senate , and an oversupply of political timidity among a few Republicans , the country is left with a lying , immoral , self absorbed , over-ambitious coward as President whom nobody trusts and nobody respects . The Presidency is diminished . So also is the Senate . And some of us are tuning out and turning off this current bunch of political midgets . 083441 00001 sapka - 11 : 38am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 *WASHINGTON ( AP ) -- One of the political right ' s intellectual firebrands is questioning whether conservatives should " drop out " of American culture and essentially declare decades of moral struggle unwinnable . " I no longer believe that there is a moral majority " , Paul Weyrich wrote in a letter to several hundred fellow conservative leaders . " I do not believe that a majority of Americans actually share our values . " Weyrich , head of the Free Congress Foundation in Washington , says President Clinton ' s acquittal in the impeachment trial has brought him to the point of wondering whether conservatives should continue trying to influence politics . " We need some sort of quarantine , " he wrote in the letter obtained by The Associated Press . Funny , donkirk . This Weyrich guy seriously thinks that if the ' moral majority ' is not theirs , there isn ' t ' moral majority ' anymore . . . 083442 00001 dougl4b - 11 : 39am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 doug14b , } 00003 *another example of Class Envy . } 00004 *I think you mistake me for someone else . My income is such that I would benefit very nicely from Republican policies , especially across the board tax cuts . However , I ' m just not that interested in grubbing every dime I can get my hands on . As a progressive , I believe in unions , progressive taxation , Social Security , and national health insurance . As for helping poor people , Christ told us to feed and clothe the poor and heal the sick . He didn ' t mention anything about how taxes and government should not be used to accomplish this . Can ' t you just do it and shut the hell up about it ? } 00005 *Republicans tend to believe it is the local government that is responsible . } 00006 *I ' ve lived in several states over the past 50 years and if you think that " local " governments are more responsive and less corrupt than the Federal government , you must have been living on Mars . 083443 00001 italianjoe58 - 11 : 39am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 *My honest opinion is that there was a tremendous waste of tax dollors that went to waste over an issue that could not be easily resolved . To me it didn ' t matter about his private life or that he lied under oath . Don ' t there already exist a legal body that will eventually take up this issue and deal with it . No matter which way you look at it , every senator would try to figure a way out so this issue would not harm them . 083444 00001 tboucher4 - 11 : 42am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 *Ever apply for an SBA loan ? " Dance to my tune and you can have it . " Now the latest in this line of BS . The Dems are talking about investing the surplus . " Want a little growth capital ? Dance to my tune . " More racism from the Dems . " Want to live in this house , dance to my tune . Here sign this . Oh it ' s nothing , just signing away some of those silly little constitutional rights . You don ' t need them , we ' ll look out for you . " 083445 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 42am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 shotty : shotty1 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 37am } 00003 *Your logic lacks a bit . Rich people pay more in taxes , in fact they pay at a higher percentage . If taxes are overpaid , then those who paid more deserve more back . Take an example : You pay one dollar for a loaf of bread , someone else pays three dollars for the same loaf . If there is a refund , who should get more back ? An across the board tax cut is the fairest means of tax reduction . " Tax break for the rich , " is a demogogue tactic to get your emotion to overrule your brain . It works often enough for dishonest politicians to use it again and again . 083446 00001 dougl4b - 11 : 44am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 *The 10% across the board tax cut would send 62% of the returns to 10% of the people . Lott said " it is only fair to return the federal surplus to taxpayers in proportion to the taxes each paid . " Boy is this guy in touch or what ? } 00003 *Good point . But the truth is actually more slimy and insidious . The surplus that the Republican want to fork over to the rich is actually a surplus in the Social Security payroll tax . This is a highly regressive tax which comes mainly from the bottom 90% . This is the ultimate in reverse Robin Hoodism . 083447 00001 yaleman - 11 : 45am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 supkis ; } 00003 *when G Bush left Texas to assume the Vice Presidency he sold his home ( not a hotel room ) at a profit ( law at that time was that if you put the profit into a home of residency you postpone taxes ) in Texas and declared his residency to be in a cottage in Maine which he fixed up etc . The IRS declared his residenvy to be in DC and it cost Presdient Bush some 275 , 000 in taxes . That is why his residency was formally declared to be back in Texas after he left office . . He never complained , never mouthed off and never appealed the finding . This is a public record . The story about taxes was started by the dukakis commtte . and later they apologized for the lie . You should also you won ' t though because that is your style . President Bush probably pays more in taxes in one year than you have ever paid in a lifetime because he is a contributer to life and you are a taker . In other words one is valuable ass human being and the other is basically useless which category do you belong in . Want to guess , 083448 00001 bobgray22 - 11 : 47am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 shotty1 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 37am } 00003 *re : " The 10% across the board tax cut would send 62% of the returns to 10% of the people . " } 00004 *Since those 10% pay in about 75% of income tax revenues , it looks to me like they deserve it , whats the problem ? 083449 00001 yaleman - 11 : 48am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 doug } 00003 *do you mean the soc sec tax that the demos robbed all these year . 083450 00001 dougl4b - 11 : 48am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 *Your logic lacks a bit . Rich people pay more in taxes , in fact they pay at a higher percentage . If taxes are overpaid , then those who paid more deserve more back . Take an example : You pay one dollar for a loaf of bread , someone else pays three dollars for the same loaf . If there is a refund , who should get more back ? An across the board tax cut is the fairest means of tax reduction . " Tax break for the rich , " is a demogogue tactic to get your emotion to overrule your brain . It works often enough for dishonest politicians to use it again and again . } 00003 *Again , the current budget surplus is due to a surplus in the payroll tax . It should be given back to the workers who paid it . If and when the operating budget goes into surplus , excluding the surplus in the payroll tax , then an across the board income tax cut would be justified . So long as it didn ' t lead to another structural budget deficit , as did Reagan ' s tax cuts . 083451 00001 shotty1 - 11 : 50am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 doug14b ; } 00003 *Well put , it always amazes me that the Christian Right is for Family Values , Lower Taxes the Death penalty and Against Abortion . If we are truly a " Chriatian Nation " why can ' t we empower our government to assist the needy and downtroden . Alas , 20th century Christ is about keeping what ' s mine and if you ' re poor you ' re lazy . 083452 00001 yasuoka4_ - 11 : 53am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 *I am a fearless Samurai Warrior fighting for our Hawaii and Guam back from Red America ! Now are you guys gonna vote for the handover of Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire ? 083453 00001 k0cxc0 - 11 : 55am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 * " A government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything you have . " Ronald Reagan > 00003 yasuoka4 , } 00004 *Just try to take them back ! Come ' on . I double-dare ya . 083454 00001 tboucher4 - 11 : 55am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 shotty1 } 00003 *Any idea how old it gets for us republicans who do not belong to the so called christian right , to continually read this sound bite gibberish . 083455 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 56am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 shotty , } 00003 *Jesus didn ' t say , " empower the government to love your neighbor " 083456 00001 shotty1 - 11 : 57am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) > 00002 d-fendr ; } 00003 *I have to differ . My point is , what constituency is he selling this idea to ? The 38% of taxes returned to 90% of the people would be insignificant . The attitude from almost everyone I meet ( and I work in Corporate America ) is keep the damn money and fix Socail Security or pay off the debt . So this plan comes across as not listening to the people but serving the interest of the very few that would benefit from it . Bad tactics . 083457 00001 yasuoka4_ - 11 : 58am Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 83457 ) } 00002 *We want you guys can hand it back , and Sakhanlin from Russian , too ! I am a fearless Samurai Warrior fighting for our Hawaii and Guam back from Red America ! Now are you guys gonna vote for the handover of Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire ? +++ 084036 00001 lucky085 - 09 : 31pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 illy yas , } 00003 *get rith program , on ris forum re attack right-ringers , not left-ringers . 084037 00001 dougeaton - 09 : 32pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 tclausen1 2 / 17 / 99 9 : 23pm } 00004 *TC : Many Repubs believe in Libertarianism . Many Dems believe in Libertinism , which means that the Dems think the rights of pornographers , abortionists , criminals , communists , anarchists and trial lawyers are more important than the rights of taxpayers , landowners , anti-abortionists , Republicans and businesspeople . And voters . 084038 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 33pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To marce235 , } 00004 *DUH ! Samurai Warrior fighting for our land back is unhappy ? Your naughty billy boy is happy ? Huh ? ? ? Ya , we are waiting for the next sex scandals in your white house now ! Anybody wants to know the most popular Mastercard Commercials in Great Japan Empire ? Starr ' report --- 20 dollars ; Monica ' s skirt --- 40 dollars ; Having Arafat waiting on line while enjoying nice oral sex --- priceless ! Happy 2000 , all stupid americans ! What if idiot americans pushed the red button on the nuclear bombs --and nothing happened ? Or the bombs explode in Red America ? Real panic time in white house ! But this time , it is NOT bacause of Monica ' s skirt with billy boy ' s naughty cums , instead , all because of Y2K computer bugs ! Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 084039 00001 tclausen1 - 09 : 35pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Vote Libertarian ! www . LP . org > 00003 SearingIdiot } 00004 *Like anyone being able to come in and murder your children ? . } 00005 *Come again ? I think you got some bad crack . Or should I say , I tknih oyu tgo smeo dba kracc . 084040 00001 macer235 - 09 : 35pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 As I said , > 00003 Yasuoka , } 00004 *you should try to " get a life . " You clearly have none . I ' m also reminded of a penguin paperback about de-humanization of labor . The first essay described to young women in highly paid jobsin the automobilie industry . Great benefits , great vacations and all that . The only problem is that they worked on an assembly line where minute after minute , hour after hour , day after day , they had the job of slapping on a grill as each car went down the line . For most of us , the thought of doing that kind of thing for years is unimaginable . I get the impression you are one of the few people who could carry it off without being bothered . Am I right ? 084041 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 36pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To marce235 , } 00004 *I am pretty happy with my life now ! Aliado Gozaimasu ! Ya , we are waiting for the next sex scandals in your white house now ! Anybody wants to know the most popular Mastercard Commercials in Great Japan Empire ? Starr ' report --- 20 dollars ; Monica ' s skirt --- 40 dollars ; Having Arafat waiting on line while enjoying nice oral sex --- priceless ! Happy 2000 , all stupid americans ! What if idiot americans pushed the red button on the nuclear bombs --and nothing happened ? Or the bombs explode in Red America ? Real panic time in white house ! But this time , it is NOT bacause of Monica ' s skirt with billy boy ' s naughty cums , instead , all because of Y2K computer bugs ! Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 084042 00001 macer235 - 09 : 37pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 Yasuoka : } 00003 *Do you have any friends ? Do you ever get invited to social events ? 084043 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 09 : 38pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 aloha , excuse me , but it really disturbs me to see someone use , african-american , should be african-european american ? What happened to just american . Chicano ? what is a chicano , from the suburbs of chi-cago ? And then politically you say asian american ? Do you get what I am trying to say ? Sv carlson , you may try to be politically correct , like calling a Mexican , Spanish . It ' s like your going to el salvadore and saying , me I ; m american . What do you think they are , just for an example ? ? ? ? 084044 00001 tclausen1 - 09 : 38pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Vote Libertarian ! www . LP . org > 00003 dougeaton } 00004 * . . . which means that the Dems think the rights of pornographers , abortionists , criminals , communists , anarchists and trial lawyers are more important than the rights of taxpayers , landowners , anti-abortionists , Republicans and businesspeople . And voters . } 00005 *Wrong . No one has " more " rights than others . Only under the current two-party system do certain people have more rights than others . As evidenced by the recent campaign finance scandals , if you have enough money , you can buy more " democracy " . 084045 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 39pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To marce235 , Umm . . . of course I have lots of friends . And I also like young american men as my friends ! Ya , we are waiting for the next sex scandals in your white house now ! Anybody wants to know the most popular Mastercard Commercials in Great Japan Empire ? Starr ' report --- 20 dollars ; Monica ' s skirt --- 40 dollars ; Having Arafat waiting on line while enjoying nice oral sex --- priceless ! Happy 2000 , all stupid americans ! What if idiot americans pushed the red button on the nuclear bombs --and nothing happened ? Or the bombs explode in Red America ? Real panic time in white house ! But this time , it is NOT bacause of Monica ' s skirt with billy boy ' s naughty cums , instead , all because of Y2K computer bugs ! Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 084046 00001 arian35 - 09 : 40pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin I was hoping someone would be speculating on Ms . Clinton ' s much-touted bid for the Senate . This is simply another diversionary tactic of the WH . Too many things going on . . . Tripp interviews , Monica interviews ( maybe by end of this month ) , Jones interviews . Judge Wright is causing concern . They are de-fusing the news . Like always . Think Hillary will wait until ' 04 084047 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 41pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To marce235 , } 00004 *Hey , american boy , how old are you ? 084048 00001 dougeaton - 09 : 42pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 yousucka4 : } 00004 *We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Glad we could be of help . After what your beastly soldiers did in Asia and the Pacific , you ' re lucky we left a tree standing . 084049 00001 tclausen1 - 09 : 42pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Vote Libertarian ! www . LP . org } 00003 *I feel real sorry for you > 00004 yasuoka . } 00005 *That you fill your day by posting the same old petition over and over . You might as well just post blank lines , because NOBODY is reading it . 084050 00001 misshongkong123 - 09 : 44pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *ĢĢ ÆøÆø =3=3=3=3=3 ¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú~~@_@~~¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú Hello , every body ! ! I am a Miss Hong Kong . I will never do the dirty things that Monica did to Clinton . Çѱ¹¸ " *ç 3 / 4²¸é ÀÐÈú±î ¸ð¸£°Ú±º¿ ( c ) . . . È÷È÷È÷ . . . Ä1 / 4Ä1 / 4Ä1 / 4~~~ Clinton eun , yi bon e , impeachment reul boso nat zze man , a zoo , jung yo han sollye reul nam gyut dda gu bo zyo . Na ppeun sollye zyo . Na ppeun azzi ye yo , Clinton eun . . . Hillary ga , bul ssang ha ki do ha zi man , o zzom , Hillary neun witch ye yo . Sarang ( =love ) bodaneun , chulse wa , yong ye reul wee hae nam pyon ui bangtang han saenghwal reul cham kko zi ne on , moooooooo sssso un yo za ye yo . Nan Hillary ga sil o yo~~~~ On top of that , han guk e son , dae tong ryong yi , gu ron zit eul ha myon , bo ti zil mot ha zyo . Tta ra so , Morality ( do dok sung ) do , sang dae jok yin go ra neun gol bo yo zwot so yo . In other words , the U . S . has no right to assert that you can lecture on the moral high ground ! ! ! Zu ze pa ak yi na hae rat ! ! ! Kya kya kya~~~ ĢĢ ÆøÆø =3=3=3=3=3 ¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú~~@_@~~¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú 084051 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 44pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 tclausen1 , } 00004 *that ' s soooo cool ! you are da man ! BTW , how old are you ? 084052 00001 hugsy - 09 : 45pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Well well well , another VLWC exposed . Poor Mr . Turner , caught telling a polish joke . ( sigh ) but they are the sensitive poeple , right ? 084053 00001 lucky085 - 09 : 45pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 arianrace } 00003 *Boo ! Keep telling yourself , everything BC does is a conspiracy againt the RWers . LOL > 00004 Douge } 00005 *Ease up a little , you make Joseph McCarthy look like a party animal . 084054 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 45pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! Ya , we are waiting for the next sex scandals in your white house now ! Anybody wants to know the most popular Mastercard Commercials in Great Japan Empire ? Starr ' report --- 20 dollars ; Monica ' s skirt --- 40 dollars ; Having Arafat waiting on line while enjoying nice oral sex --priceless ! Happy 2000 , all stupid americans ! What if idiot americans pushed the red button on the nuclear bombs --and nothing happened ? Or the bombs explode in Red America ? Real panic time in white house ! But this time , it is NOT bacause of Monica ' s skirt with billy boy ' s naughty cums , instead , all because of Y2K computer bugs ! Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 084055 00001 searingtruth - 09 : 46pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 tclausen1 2 / 17 / 99 9 : 35pm } 00004 *SearingIdiot Like anyone being able to come in and murder your children ? . Come again ? I think you got some bad crack . Or should I say , I tknih oyu tgo smeo dba kracc . } 00005 *Hmmmm . . . It seems you missed this sentence - " Why don ' t you explain to the forum how the " Libertarians " don ' t want medical doctors to be licensed ? . This will be fun . . . " If you had attempted to explain how your evil and inhumane party didn ' t want doctors to be licensed , then the fact that you supported the murder of children would have been evidenced from your own mouth . I ask again " Why don ' t you explain to the forum how the " Libertarians " don ' t want medical doctors to be licensed ? " . Why don ' t you ask me to explain more of the Libertarian parties philosophies ? , or would you like to cushion them first ? . I ' m ready and waiting . 084056 00001 hugsy - 09 : 47pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 yasuoka4_ 2 / 17 / 99 9 : 44pm } 00003 *Bill , er , I mean Y-dude ( wink wink ) How come you never responded to my offer ? 084057 00001 republicanok - 09 : 47pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 yasuoka4 : } 00003 *My dear sir , too bad this is your last night on this site . You might have had something interesting to discuss but you chose to be a rather repulsive individual instead . By the way , how much do you want for your island ? 084058 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 47pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! Aloha ! Ya , we are waiting for the next sex scandals in your white house now ! Anybody wants to know the most popular Mastercard Commercials in Great Japan Empire ? Starr ' report --- 20 dollars ; Monica ' s skirt --- 40 dollars ; Having Arafat waiting on line while enjoying nice oral sex --priceless ! Happy 2000 , all stupid americans ! What if idiot americans pushed the red button on the nuclear bombs --and nothing happened ? Or the bombs explode in Red America ? Real panic time in white house ! But this time , it is NOT bacause of Monica ' s skirt with billy boy ' s naughty cums , instead , all because of Y2K computer bugs ! Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 084059 00001 tclausen1 - 09 : 48pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Vote Libertarian ! www . LP . org > 00003 yasuoka } 00004 *Anata wa Otaku desu . 084060 00001 mrjimcasey38 - 09 : 48pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Why return anything , Clinton has sold out to China , and the United State of Amerika is the newest province . While ever body was busy being distracted by Monica and Bill in the Oral Office , Clinton essentially proposed Marshall law , a shut down of Midwestern highways was begun , your rights when arrested were invalidated , and a host of other communist based laws were placed in effect in order to desensitize you to the the loss of the American democratic system . We aren ' t going to let China in , China is going to let us in . The O ' Casey Chronicles 084061 00001 bird_33 - 09 : 49pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 yasuoka4 : } 00003 *Hey , Carville . . . knock it off . Sysops has back traced you , and this act is not becoming . . . even to you . 084062 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 50pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To republicanok , } 00004 *How much ? Hawaii and Guam belong to us ! You should give back to us without any request ! Aloha ! Ya , we are waiting for the next sex scandals in your white house now ! Anybody wants to know the most popular Mastercard Commercials in Great Japan Empire ? Starr ' report --- 20 dollars ; Monica ' s skirt --- 40 dollars ; Having Arafat waiting on line while enjoying nice oral sex --- priceless ! Happy 2000 , all stupid americans ! What if idiot americans pushed the red button on the nuclear bombs --and nothing happened ? Or the bombs explode in Red America ? Real panic time in white house ! But this time , it is NOT bacause of Monica ' s skirt with billy boy ' s naughty cums , instead , all because of Y2K computer bugs ! Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 084063 00001 dougeaton - 09 : 50pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 tclausen1 2 / 17 / 99 9 : 38pm } 00004 *TC : Clinton bought Democracy , ie our Democratic Republic , with foreign money during the election . After the election he bought impunity for all the crimes he committed during the campaign . What did it cost him ? Not much . He couldn ' t award the Attorney General position to one of his thugs . He had to give it to Reno in exchange for stonewalling and obstucting Congressional inquiries . 084064 00001 tclausen1 - 09 : 50pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Vote Libertarian ! www . LP . org > 00003 sizzilingbrain } 00004 *Why don ' t you ask me to explain more of the Libertarian parties philosophies ? , or would you like to cushion them first ? . } 00005 *Please , I ' d be honored . 084065 00001 macer235 - 09 : 51pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 yasuoka4 : } 00003 *You claimed earlier to admire the samurai . Having some background in history although , admittedly not a great deal in Far Eastern history , I know that the samurai had a code of honor . And no true samurai regard your behavior as honorable by that code . I suspect you aren ' t Japanese at all but may have had casual contact with Far Eastern culture . Also , your idea of how a Japanese citizen would speak English is definitely based more on the study of Hollywood films that being an actual example . I ' ve known several Japanese who spoke English with an accent , including Hidehiko and Nobihiko Ochai , martial arts experts who were friends of mine years ago in college . Their accent in no way resembled yours . One had been Japanese national champ and the other a runnerup . Several years later I saw one giving a demonstration on Wide World of Sports , a national television program . A linguist at Penn can listen to a person for a few minutes and tell you not only what state he came from but what county and even , sometimes , what town . Similarly , a person who writes a great deal can recognize a given style , just as one can recognize the guitar of Neil Young , Jimmy Hendrix or Buddy Holley as distinctive . By the way , it is clear that you wouldn ' t have the discipline required to master a foreign eastern language . Heck , most people don ' t have the discipline to master a related language unless they major in it . I wasn ' t a French major in college ; I had a few courses in it , but I speak and read it much better than I could years ago . You can ' t take on such a challenge on do the monotonous stuff you do . You gotta get bored with yourself . 084066 00001 misshongkong123 - 09 : 51pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *ĢĢ ÆøÆø =3=3=3=3=3 ¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú~~@_@~~¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú 3 / 4ȳçÇÏ1 / 41 / 4¿ä ? µ¿3 / 4çÀÇ ÁøÁÖ ¿¹3 / 4Æ¿µ ÀÎ " çµå·Á¿ë . Á¦ ±ÛÀ " ÀÌÇظøÇÏ1 / 2ô ºÐµéÀº Çѱ¹¸ " À " " ¡û ¹è¿ö¿ä . Àü , À̹ø Ÿ°ÅÏÀÇ ÅºÇÙ " ç°ÇÀ " º¸¸é1 / 4- , Ưº°°Ë " çÁ¦ÀÇ Àå´ÜÁ¡À " Àß º¸°Ô µÆ3 / 4î¿ä . ´Ð1 / 21 / 4ÀÇ ¿öÅÍ°ÔÀÌÆ ( r ) ´Â Ưº°°Ë " ç3 / 4øÀ̵µ ÆÄÇìÃÄ Á³3 / 4ú±¸ , *¹ÀÌ°ÇÀÇ ÀÌõ ÄÜÆ ( r ) ó " ç°Ç§¹ ( r ) ¿¡ , ÀÏ1 / 2ÃÀûÀ¸·Î " ç¹ ( r ) È- µÆ´ø , Ưº°°Ë " ç¹ýÀÌ ´Ù1 / 2à ¹ßµ¿µÆÁö¸¸ , ±²ÀåÈ÷ ³ºñÀûÀÎ Á¦µµó±¸ " ý°¢ÇØ¿ä . ¿Í¿ì~~~ ÇØÆ° , Àü " ¡û °¡ºÁ3 / 4ß µÅ¿ ( c ) . ±¸*³ ¿ ( c ) *¯ºÐ , 3 / 4È´¨~~~~ ĢĢ ÆøÆø =3=3=3=3=3 ¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú~~@_@~~¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú Ãß1 / 2Å ) ¸¸3 / 4à Á¦ ¸Þ1 / 2ÃÁö¸¦ ÀÐÀ " 1 / 4ö 3 / 4ø´Ù¸é , Çѱ¹¸ " À " ¹è¿ì1 / 41 / 4¿ê ! Tranlated verbatim ) If you can ' t understand my message , please learn the Korean language . Which will help you in a great and rewarding way in your future ! ! ! The Korean language is really different from the Chinese and Japanese . People tend to think Koreans use one of those languages . Hell no ! Just learn Korean , then you can understand a message from an Asian Pearl whose beauty can waste you guys . . . kya kya kya . . . ±¸·¡ ³ª Àß³µ´Ù ´ýºô·¡ ? ? ? ? ĢĢ ÆøÆø =3=3=3=3=3 ¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú~~@_@~~¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú¡Ú 084067 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 51pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To tclausen1 , } 00004 *Anata wa bakayara desuyo ! 084068 00001 arian35 - 09 : 52pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin No , lucky . I don ' t think everything the Clintons do is a conspiracy against the Republicans . I think EVERYTHING the Clintons do is carefully calculated to preserve , protect , and defend their egomaniacal quest for power ! ! ! ! Goodnite all . God Bless America . 084069 00001 hugsy - 09 : 52pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 bird_33 2 / 17 / 99 9 : 49pm } 00003 * ( Close , but it ' s really Bill Clinton . Hiliary put a ' v-chip ' in his web browser so instead of getting to his usual ' golly they look young enough to be your daughter ' porno sites , he ends up here ) 084070 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 53pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 misshongkong123 } 00004 *is so boring ! Hontoni chimaranayi desune ! 084071 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 09 : 55pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 misshong kong123 , } 00004 *or is it 666 ? Your language is about as bad as the bloody russian I ' m trying to learn . . . 084072 00001 republicanok - 09 : 57pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 yasuoka24 : } 00003 *I was not asking about OUR islands , I was talking about JAPAN . How much do you want for it ? 084073 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 57pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To marce235 , } 00004 *Where is marce ? I am now becoming loving you . . . How old are you ? 084074 00001 macer235 - 09 : 58pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Well , folks : Didn ' t I tell you the other day tha yasuoka4 and misshongkong123 were the same person ? Now you see . > 00003 Yasuoka / > 00004 misshongkong = } 00005 *No friends Lacking in social skills Isolated Reclusive Misanthropic Sadistic Fraudulent ( definitely not Japanese with that imitation Hollywood style ) . Self-hating Neurotic Sissified Unhappy Resents others ' happiness Inferiority complex 084075 00001 searingtruth - 09 : 59pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 yasuoka4_ 2 / 17 / 99 9 : 45pm } 00004 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! } 00005 *You were totalitarian bigots who raped , tortured , and brutally killed innocent women and children with fervent glee . That ' s why the World War II era people like you were totally defeated . It is amazing that you are so proud of raping and killing women and children . You make the vast majority of human beings on this planet sick , including the vast majority of Japanese people . You bring shame upon yourself . 084076 00001 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 59pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To republicanok , } 00004 *We do NOT sell our land at all ! 084077 00001 tclausen1 - 09 : 59pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Vote Libertarian ! www . LP . org > 00003 yasuoka } 00004 *Anata wa Nihon-jin desu ka ? Anata wa Shingaku-sei desu ka ? Anata wa Otaku desu . 084078 00001 dougeaton - 10 : 00pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 Hugsy : } 00004 *I believe you were referring to this ? ( From Drudge ) Turner , founder of CNN and vice chairman of TIME WARNER , gave a speech in which he made an ethnic joke about Polish-born Pope John Paul II and questioned the Ten Commandments . Tuesday , speaking at the 27th annual meeting of the National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association , Turner had called the Ten Commandments " a little out of date , " and said , " If you ' re only going to have 10 rules , I don ' t know if adultery should be one of them . " During a Q-and-A session after the speech , Turner was asked what he would have to say to the Pope , who opposes the birth control programs Turner supports . Turner ' s response was to joke , " Ever seen a Polish mine detector ? " and then tapping the ground with his foot . As the DRUDGE REPORT first reported here last night , Turner ' s speech was covered exclusively Wednesday morning in the WASHINGTON TIMES -- and by Wednesday afternoon , radio talk show callers were livid . By 6 p . m . Wednesday , Turner responded with a one-sentence statement : " Mr . Turner regrets any offense his comments may have caused while in Washington , D . C . and extends his heartfelt apologies . " 084079 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 02pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To tclausen1 } 00004 *Booo . . . Boku wa Nihonjin , desuyo , Honto ! Anata wa Hontoni Chimaranayi desune ! 084080 00001 republicanok - 10 : 03pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 hugsy : } 00003 *Turner seams to dig further and further into a hole doesn ' t he ? He has always been a bit unstable to say the least . Jane is probably helping him over the edge . 084081 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 10 : 03pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 macer , } 00004 *you give your age 235 , I think that is young , and you may be correct , my e-mail went through to hg123 , so you all may try . . . 084082 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 03pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! Hey american boy > 00003 marce235 , } 00004 *How old are you ? 084083 00001 macer235 - 10 : 03pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 Yasuoka : } 00003 *Sorry but I enjoy women only . You ' ll have to look elsewhere . I hope you don ' t mind the psychological analysis but I ' d bet on its accuracy . 084084 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 06pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! Nah ! No fun if you are an ugly and disgusting old man ! 084085 00001 tclausen1 - 10 : 07pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Vote Libertarian ! www . LP . org > 00003 yasuoka4_ - 09 : 59pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( #84089 of 84092 ) } 00004 *To republicanok , We do NOT sell our land at all ! } 00005 *Nope , instead they stupidly reinvest their profits into the U . S . dollar and American property instead of improving their own infrastructure . Thanks Alot ! 084086 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 08pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To tclausen1 , } 00004 *You mean you want to sell Hawaii and Guam to us ? 084087 00001 svcarlson - 10 : 10pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *The times have been a-changin ' and that ' s why the reactionaries are out , sponsored by your friendly cigarette company . For instance , African American , Chicano / Latino , Asian American and union votes , along with women voting , have turned back the tide of the reactionary Republicans in the 1998 elections . And they did a tremendous service to America . They will be paid well , in democracy . There will be opportunities to work , to study , to raise a family in a safe community , to serve your country , to travel and to lead . But the decisions we will make will be critical . We must hew to the economic center , creating real opportunity in a global information-based economy . Fellow democratic cadres , around the world , it ' s time to unite and kick some ass ! Well , I did run as a candidate for the Chicano Liberation Front party in college . Hey , I must be politically correct ! Just an accident , though , Gerry Magnuson . The Chicanos , being so alienated by having to work the land that was Mexico , now as imported labor , have started a movement for Chicano education , economics and identity . I certainly welcome the Chicano Movement as a cornerstone of American democracy , don ' t you ? 084088 00001 dickburke1 - 10 : 10pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *On Jan 01 , 2000 computers will read the date as 1900 . We will be plunged into the horse-and-buggy era overnight . The message being : we have one and all flunked the 20th century and are being given another chance to get it right . There is a God after all . 084089 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 10 : 10pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Aloha , Ted Turner and Jane Fonda . . . one has to really think about that relationship , from Tom Haydn ? to T&T , has to be some knida jump , and for what purpose ? Love ? 084090 00001 hugsy - 10 : 11pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 dougeaton 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 00pm , > 00003 republicanok 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 03pm } 00004 *They have to hide their real views from the public , the more they talk candidly , the ' deeper ' they get . You guys remember when Clinton told the joke that smeared Limbaugh as a racist ? OOPS , just another snafu I guess . 084091 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 11pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! Hey , where is the american boy > 00003 saichel ? } 00004 *Haven ' t seen him around for ages ! I miss him ! 084092 00001 lucky085 - 10 : 12pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 yas } 00003 *is almost as boring as the RWers . After all , how many ways can you say you hate Clinton , the RWers have used them all a million times over . 084093 00001 bird_33 - 10 : 13pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *And the winner is . . . Richard Nixon , who , according to a U . S . News poll , is no longer America ' s most immoral leader . Guess who was voted America ' s most immoral leader ? A hint . His initials are WJC . 00003 It begins . . . the recording of history . 084094 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 15pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! Y2K bugs Happy 2000 , all stupid americans ! What if idiot americans pushed the red button on the nuclear bombs --and nothing happened ? Or the bombs explode in Red America ? Real panic time in white house ! But this time , it is NOT bacause of Monica ' s skirt with billy boy ' s naughty cums , instead , all because of Y2K computer bugs ! Great Emperor Hirohito ' s Holy Address " Let ' s wait one hundred years and get it back ! " To all nasty americans , Do you know what our Superior Japanese people ' s favorite food is ? Cute American boys ' weenie ! Do you know which American is the most famous in Great Japan ? Jeff Stryker ! We can NEVER forget your help of two atomic bombs ! Let ' s hang FDR and Truman in Washington ! Somebody said bill has a remarkable larger penis so that he has some problem to keep it inside of his zip . This just reminds me a " basket " story in Tokyo . In the late 80s and early 90s , hundreds and thousands of young Americans went to Japan for making money . Simply because they are stupid and lazy , most of them cannot make good money in Japan . In order to survive , they just went to work at bars as male prostitutes for quick money ! The blonde hair , blue eyes American young studs were enjoying showing off their penises under a very tight and tiny bikini after a strip show . It is called " sausage basket " ! Every bar-tender can touch American male prostitutes ' penis for only 1000 yen , the price for a big apple , and can have him for a whole night for only 10 , 000 yen , a price for a puppy dog . So now you know how famous your Americans ' big " baskets " are in Japan ! And it is really funny to cut their mantools off for feeding dogs ! American gigolo boys like to show off their bigger sized weenie inside of their tight and tiny bikini all night long strip show at bars in Tokyo . They are as famous as the Thailand transformed males ! Return Guam and Hawaii back to Great Japan Empire now ! 084095 00001 hugsy - 10 : 16pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 yasuoka4_ 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 11pm } 00003 *you ever respond to my offer ? For Hawii and Guam , you get LA , Mass , Ted Kennedy , and all the penile implants you can handle . If after thirty days you are not completely satisfied , just return all the unused implants , and keep LA , Mass , and Ted Kennedy as our free gifts . 084096 00001 rglisson - 10 : 16pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) > 00002 gerry , } 00003 *Haydn ' s the composer . Tom Hayden just decomposes . 00004 My opinion of Hanoi Jane couldn ' t be lower , since my family was " in her sights " when she was sitting on that AA gun . And we have to put up with her maunderings around here on a daily basis , stuff that never makes the national news . Such as the time she trashed all the residents of Georgia outside the Atlanta metropolitan area , saying they lived like pigs and let their children starve to death . 084097 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 18pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! Is WJC gonna to be the winner of Nobel Peace Prize ? Ho Ho Ho ! 084098 00001 dougeaton - 10 : 19pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84225 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain Just saw Bill Paxon say that Hillary ' s so-called interest in the NY Senate race is a joke , and was manufactured for the express purpose of diverting public attention from Billy boy ' s scandals . I agree . She ' d be toast in a matter of weeks if she announced . George Stephanwhathisname said Sunday that he thought it was a practical joke . Moynihan was having trouble concealing his disdain . Personally , I hope she runs . 084099 00001 lucky085 - 10 : 20pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 hugs } 00003 * " smeared Limbaugh as a racist " } 00004 *Shh , don ' t tell anyone , but Lameball is a racist . 084100 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 10 : 22pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 svcarlson , } 00004 *you missed the boat somewhere . What is a chicano ? I only have Latinos working for me . . . and I am a seventh generation California boy . . . get the hint ? ? Mexicans spit on chicanos . 084101 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 23pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To hugsy , } 00004 *Who is Ted Kennedy ? 084102 00001 rglisson - 10 : 24pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 lucky , } 00003 *what ' s your definition of a racist ? the word ' s thrown around so much it has lost its meaning , like " honor " , " truth " , and " alone " . 084103 00001 republicanok - 10 : 25pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 svcarlson : } 00003 *You probably should analyze some of the data you are trying to put forth in your first paragraph . I believe it was the NYT ' s who said that out of the 15 to 20 people who voted in the 1998 elections , the majority of women voted Republican than Democrat . Don ' t want to rain on your ummmmmmmmmmlogic but you are all wet ! Any citizen who realizes that identity , education and economics are important goals and works to achieve will go far . 084104 00001 hugsy - 10 : 26pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 lucky085 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 20pm } 00003 *On what evidence do you make such a vulgar claim ? 084105 00001 tclausen1 - 10 : 27pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Vote Libertarian ! www . LP . org > 00003 yasuoka } 00004 *On t ' a bercé trop près du mur ? 084106 00001 svcarlson - 10 : 28pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Republicans and media are having been beating the President up in the polls for a relationship with Monica . Those who have been the most immoral are those who define morality in terms of sex and sex scandals . They continue to undercut the strong American sense of right and wrong . And they are backed by the deadliest of all products , cigarettes , which , used normally for the purpose they are produced for , will kill you . If we stopped killing Americans with tobacco , it would have a healing effect on the whole country . Even babies are hurt by tobacco . It is bad kharma for stealing the crop from the Indians , for money . 084107 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 10 : 28pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 aloha , again my dear svcarlson , now you attack some more of my ancestors , golly . Forked tongue white boy , my cigarettes come from a reservation , put that in your fadora and smoke it ! ! ! ! ! 084108 00001 lucky085 - 10 : 29pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 douge } 00003 * " Moynihan was having trouble concealing his disdain . " } 00004 *This is an absolute lie . If Hillary would be toast in weeks , I assume you mean from the RW smear campaign that would inevitably follow . LOL 084109 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 30pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To hugsy , } 00004 *Hey , who is Ted Kennedy ? Is he as hot as Jeff Stryker ? 084110 00001 hugsy - 10 : 33pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 yasuoka4_ 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 23pm } 00003 *Who is Ted Kennedy ? Hey , all you need to know is that he is a SERIOUS party guy . He ' s the bottom piece of bread in the infamous Washington ' waitress sandwich ' , and his parties are always pants optional . What more do you need to know ? So , we got a deal ? 084111 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 34pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 hugsy , } 00004 *are you still there ? 084112 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 10 : 35pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 rglisson , } 00004 *a good scandanavian , didn ' t one just win the Daytona 500 , GORE . . don ? Something that supkis ' s other was watching ? ? ? 084113 00001 lucky085 - 10 : 37pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 hugs } 00003 * " He ' s the bottom piece of bread in the infamous Washington ' waitress sandwich ' , and his parties are always pants optional . " } 00004 *On what evidence do you make such a vulgar claim ? 084114 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 38pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! How old is Ted Kennedy ? Has he produced some movies ? 084115 00001 republicanok - 10 : 39pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 hugsy . } 00003 *During your second round of negotiations , please offer him Clinton , Carvell , Geraldo and Dick Gulphard along with LA and Mass . If he takes ANYBODY he must take LA and Mass along with Geraldo . I really think Kennedy will go with Mass , after all without that state what does he have ? I believe if you really play your cards right , we have a golden opportunity to do the very best for the American people . 084116 00001 dougeaton - 10 : 39pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 lucky085 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 29pm } 00004 *We wouldn ' t have to . The New York Press would do it for us . Our Lady of the Cattle Futures has avoided answering many questions , not the least of which is the miraculous conception of the long-sought billing records which were found in Hillary ' s WH library by some poor soul . Also , the presence of negative researcher Craig Livingstone , who apparently was not hired by anyone but just walked into the White House and assumed the role of Director of Security or whatever job it was he had . These are questions that Hillary avoided answering by hiding out in the White House . Don ' t you think the voters would like to know the answer to the questions before they vote for her . Of course , you ' d vote for her if she stabbed Starr to death . But not all voters posess your fervor . 084117 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 10 : 43pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Aloha , > 00003 guano breath , yasirokie4 . } 00004 *Name two sumo wrestlers of the top five . How many moves in sumo wrestling , techniques . . . quick think of the house prosecutors . . . you are allowed to use you abacus 084118 00001 smparker1 . 2 - 10 : 46pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Good evening , everybody . . . Hillary run for the Senate ? Hah ! She ' d be buried . In fact , Rudy said today that if Hillary announced her candidacy that would likely cause him to announce . You can see he ' s really scared of the Clinton mystique . 084119 00001 hugsy - 10 : 47pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 yasuoka4_ 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 34pm } 00003 *Yep still here . Jeff Stryker , is he that wave-cutter dude . Anyway , I won ' t lie to you , Ted ain ' t much to look at anymore but for PARTYING POWER THERE IS NO EQUAL . Just go here and look at the notes he sent to Rhenquist during the Impeachment trial . He ' s awsome ! > 00004 hugsy 1 / 19 / 99 3 : 04pm } 00005 *Lucky , Kennedy BRAGS ABOUT IT ! and besides , what is so vulgar about that ? Oh , and Y-dude , one of Kennedy ' s nicknames for himself is ' Tyranasaurus Sex ' . What more could you ask for ? So , how about it , 30 day trial . 084120 00001 dougeaton - 10 : 49pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 republicanok 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 39pm } 00004 *Give him Massachussetts and Kennedy , but see if you can keep Cape Cod and the Islands . And for God sakes don ' t give him Maui , Kauai , Oahu , Lanaii , or the Big Island . Offer him Kahoolawe , which is that liitle island that was used for bomb practice and is now filled with unexploded ordnance . 084121 00001 yasuoka4_ - 10 : 49pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *We are Superior and fearless Samurai Warriors fighting for our land Hawaii and Guam back to Great Japan Empire from Red America ! > 00003 To gerry , } 00004 *My name is Ya-su-o-ka ! Aliado Gozaimasu ! Lunch time ! Sayonara ! 084122 00001 hugsy - 10 : 55pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 yasuoka4_ 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 38pm } 00003 *Can he produce some movies . . . . . he ' s probably got a home collection of movies that would PEEL PAINT OF THE WALLS ! AND ! ! ! ! ! ! He ' s got SERIOUS BUCKS ! ( his family was bootleggers during prohibition ) Make movies , just smile and shake it for the camera baby , Teddy will roll the film ! 084123 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 10 : 56pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Aloha , I loved the way congress was so nice to hillary , condenscending ? , then ate her staff for lunch . What a humble lesson . I think she should go back to cattle futures , what a genius , like rolling 50 sevens in a row on the crap table , or better . . . 084124 00001 jova99 - 10 : 56pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 sccarlson } 00003 *Albert Gore and many other politicians from the south rely on the money from big tobacco companies . Al Gore once bragged about working on his fathers tobacco farm . Unfortunately many democrats rely on money from the big lawyers who benefit most from the current attack on the tobacco companies . The impeachment proceedings and outcome was very predictable due to the mirage of a two party system . President Clinton is the best friend of wall st . which is keeping americans happy today . 084125 00001 svcarlson - 10 : 56pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Last I checked , Indians don ' t use cigarettes in their ceremonies . They use real tobacco , as well as other ingredients . They don ' t use watered-down paper cigarettes as a bad habit in their ceremonies . I suggest you stop smoking that killer cigarette tobacco and only use it during ceremonies . 084126 00001 hugsy - 11 : 03pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 gerrymagnuson1 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 43pm } 00003 *Don ' t bring up Sumo , it ' s a very sore subject with japan now that US Sumos ' s win the tournements . > 00004 dougeaton 2 / 17 / 99 10 : 49pm Good point , some of the Beach area on the cape is very nice , and Maaaathas vinyard and that other little island as well . We keep those , Y-dude gets Re-veeah beach . 084127 00001 searingtruth - 11 : 05pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . " We don ' t want to destroy life , we want to save it " . Dr . Daystrom , " The Ultimate Computer " , Original Star Trek Episode 53 084128 00001 rtwing1 - 11 : 05pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Eschew Obfuscation > 00003 hugsy } 00004 *Not only did the Kennedy ' s move spirits during the Prohibition , but they now hold a large monopoly on imported distilled beverages . . . namely scotch . That is one reason why Sen . Kennedy will vehemently oppose the White House shaking down Big Booze in their next targeted money grab , as was done with the tobacco industry . Big SUV is a sitting duck , regardless what Labor thinks about it . 084129 00001 republicanok - 11 : 05pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 hugsy : } 00003 *I think he may be gone for a while . When he gets back add Kahoolawo to Mass ( less Cape Cod plus Kennedy ) , LA and Geraldo . Now that is the mandatory basic package . In addition , he must take 1 or both ( Clinton , Carvell ) of the aforementioned duds . If he still refuses to negotiate , add Alan Dirtbag and Greta Insufferable . If he then refuses to negotiate , cut the negotiations , send him everything . We can only tolerate so much . Now , I must get back to the business of the American people . 084130 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 11 : 05pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 svcarlson , } 00004 *you failed to answer many important questions . As a ' liberal ' you are telling me what to smoke and how to smoke . Hey . everybody , put out your doobies , don ' t use papers . Svcarlson wants us to die healthy 084131 00001 damon_y2k - 11 : 08pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *I think if you righties would have let him alone , Clinton ' s deficiencies would have come through on their own . As kids say on the playgroud : " Slick move exlax . " Thanks for imposing your will and wasting my tax dollars . 084132 00001 hugsy - 11 : 08pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 Bye all , } 00003 *take care . don ' t take my ' liberties ' with Ted too seriously . I don ' t agree with his politics or some of his serious mistakes , but I do wish the man well . sorry to get so soppy on you , but he ' s certainly had more tragedy to deal with than anyone deserves . 084133 00001 searingtruth - 11 : 09pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 gerrymagnuson1 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 05pm } 00004 *loha , svcarlson , you failed to answer many important questions . As a ' liberal ' you are telling me what to smoke and how to smoke . Hey . everybody , put out your doobies , don ' t use papers . Svcarlson wants us to die healthy } 00005 *Let us all smoke that which makes life most bearable . Or wearable , depending upon your disposition . 084134 00001 dougeaton - 11 : 10pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 hugsy 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 03pm } 00004 *Hugsy : that other little island is Nantucket , one of my favorites . And I wouldn ' t give ya a dawlla faw Re-veeah Beach . 084135 00001 tryonsencabalar - 11 : 11pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Many have complained about the impeachment media exposure being harmful to children . Parents , Teachers and educators should not loose the opportunity to use President Clinton ' s behavior as an example to teach the impressive young folks that this would not have occurred if he had practiced SELF DICIPLINE coupled with GOOD JUDGEMENT . The Lord ' s prayer states , " Lead us not into temptation . " Yet prayer or Religious teaching are not allowed in Public Schools . Since the Religious teachings ( The only taught source of SELF DICIPLINE and GOOD JUDGMENT ever taught in Public Education Facilities ) cannot be legal in Public Schools , where is a child to get such formal training . However , this law and the Presidents impeachment ; certainly is not the only time our Courts and our Lawmakers , have made fools of themselves . The Congress , as well as the President could use considerable training in SELF DICIPLINE and GOOD JUDGMENT . The Congress could study logic also , so they learn the difference between FACTS and BIASED OPINIONS and not appear so stupid as they did in imposing their intrepetation of legal responsibilities on President Clinton . Removal of Prayer and Religious Teachings is no different than the bias of Racism . TOLERANCE has largly overcome racial hatered . So why is inter-fath Religion ' s ; competition , disapproval and bias any different . A statesman once said , during the Revolutionary war , " Let us all hang together or we shall hang seperately . " Enough said , its time to teach elementary classes in Philosophy ( Based on SELF DICIPLINE , GOOD JUDGMENT and TOLERANCE ) in Public Schools to replace basket weaving and other moronic clases . As our children grow into adulthood ; perhaps , some of them will be elected to CONGRESS or PRESIDENT or other Public Office where they can proudly serve as respected ADULTS instead of ADULTERERS . 084136 00001 ralaird - 11 : 12pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Why hasn ' t Sidney Blumenthal been indicted for perjury ? He certainly lied under oath to the grand jury and before the U . S . Senate . The lies under oath were certainly as to material matters . They went to the heart of clinton ' s cover-up and obstruction . Blumenthal lied under oath to cover up clinton ' s viscious smear campaigns against Monica Lewinsky and others who crossed him . Monica Lewinsky continued to lie before the U . S . Senate to protect the man who wanted to ruin her , and would have if Tripp hadn ' t convinced her to keep the blue dress . The debate should not be over whether Christopher Hitchens did the right thing in exposing Blumenthal ' s falsified testimony under oath . The debate should be over the reason for the delay in formally charging Blumenthal with perjury . Does clinton have his secret police investigating Judge Susan Weber Wright ? Does he intend to also launch a smear campaign against her for considering a contempt citation against him ? My guess is that he is getting ready to do that because she has been added to his enemies ' list . Who else is on that list ? We know that clinton now has his cronies attacking Christopher Hitchens . When will the clinton lies and vengeance stop ? When will the phony military actions stop ? When will clinton ' s gross human rights abuses stop ? Will he continue with his phony warmongering , and then continue to make false claims that he is promoting peace ? 084137 00001 searingtruth - 11 : 13pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 tryonsencabalar 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 11pm } 00004 *There you go . . . 084138 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 11 : 13pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 svcarlson } 00004 *is right , I mean , can you imagine taking a hit from someone who put his / her wet tongue , god knows where that has been , then taking a heavy drag , holding it and still trying to talk , I mean it ' s enough to take your breath away . . . 084139 00001 searingtruth - 11 : 15pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 ralaird 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 12pm } 00004 *My goodness ! . Gloating is fun . . . 084140 00001 macer235 - 11 : 16pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 * " LAW AND ORDER " WAS GREAT TONIGHT : A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR THREATENS McCOY WITH OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND HAD HIM HANDCUFFED SECOND PART WITH BE ON HOMICIDE SHOW FRIDAY AT 10 p . m EST DON ' T MISS THE PORTRAYAL OF RUTHLESS INDEPENDENT PROSECUTOR Police investigate the murder of a woman found in NYC . It turns out she is a lesbian who lived in Baltimore and once worked in Washington . NY police work with the Baltimore Police from the Homicide show to investigate further . A divorced woman with a high government job who knows something agrees to tell Jack McCoy ( Sam Waterson ) providing her name doesn ' t become public . She doesn ' t want her kids to know that she is a lesbian , noting that Washington is located just above the Bible belt ( You all know that that f*cking sleezeball Smiling Jerry Falwell has a school down there ) . She discloses that she had seen the victim with another woman and describes that person . While police investigate , McCoy is summoned before a ruthless independent prosecutor . Refusing to disclose the name of the divorcee , McCoy is forced to go before the grand jury . When he is not cooperative enough , the Starr type brings up every piece of hearsay and innuendo about McCoy and Lennie Briscoe ( Jerry Orhbach ) to make grand jury members hostile toward him . The OIC threatens to indict McCoy for " obstruction of justice , " so he wants to make the worst possible impression on the grand jury . McCoy asks the OIC the famous " Have you no shame " question from the Army-McCarthy hearings and walks out . The special prosecutor calls he police and has McCoy handcuffed , but is is later released by the judge . The police eventually find the suspect in NY , who is killed by an old boyfriend as they exit the building for a trip to Baltimore where the next episode will be . One other thing : near the end of the show , the detectives find a note that was in the dead suspect ' s pockets , one of the numbers refers to a cell phone number in the White House . Stay tuned . You gotta watch this . . . . 084141 00001 hugsy - 11 : 17pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 dougeaton 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 10pm } 00003 *yeah , but where else can you wear high heels , high hair , and a bikini and fit right in ? " ahhh , duz he drive an I-RawQ , oower a 280-zee ? " 00004 seriously , gots to go , sig . other has bad cold . Needs some Florence Nightengale action . Ta ta . 084142 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 17pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *so . . . . what ' s the early betting on Clinton ' s defense in Judge Wright ' s court this time : 1 ) It ' s all about sex , your honor . 2 ) So how is your cat ? 3 ) It depends on what the meaning of " is " is . 4 ) Hillary forgives me , why can ' t you ? 084143 00001 republicanok - 11 : 18pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 ralaird : } 00003 *I heard Judge Wright called " out of control " on TV yesterday , so the smear has started . 084144 00001 macer235 - 11 : 21pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *DO YOU THINK THE WRITERS OF " LAW AND ORDER " WILL GET INDICTED FOR " OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE " BECAUSE OF TONIGHT ' S SHOW I drove up from Florida to Pennsylvania in January and picked up a southern newspaper in which the House managers threatened to indict Larry Flynt on that charge right after he " outed " Bob Barr . Think that had anything to do with it ? These guys really had a lot of chuzpah , didn ' t they ? Newsweek reports that Lindsey Graham refers to himself as " the Jane Doe guy . " That tells you all you need to know about his character and motivation : a sleasy pig . 084145 00001 padu329 - 11 : 22pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 tryonsencabalar} 00003 *You suggest that our schools preach self-discipline , good judgement , and tolerance ; I agree wholeheartedly , and regret that the Republican House managers seemed to possess none of the above . . . . . 084146 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 11 : 24pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 republicanok , } 00004 *as stated the mosquitos are biting , which one has the malaria ? As noted , big problems are easy to handle , it ' s the small insignificant ones that cause stress . . . 084147 00001 republicanok - 11 : 24pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 macer : } 00003 *I can ' t believe we allowed you to use I95 ! Borders must be getting lax . 084148 00001 dougeaton - 11 : 26pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 republicanok 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 18pm } 00004 *One interesting thing I heard is that Wright could order that Clinton be disbarred . Excellent idea . It ' s the least she can do . I ' m amazed she didn ' t do it immediately . This guy hasn ' t met an oath he hasn ' t violated . 084149 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 11 : 29pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 aloha , } 00003 *dougeaton , } 00004 *that seems okay . . . except he ' s never used it , kinda like having a real-estate license and never selling a house . . . 084150 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 29pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 macer , } 00003 *some of Flynt ' s private investigator team said they would publish some embarassing personal information of senators unless they kept quiet during the impeachment trial . . . that ' s damn close to blackmail and obstruction ; they quickly backpedaled . . had they continued in that vein , they would have likely , and rightfully , been prosecuted . 084151 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 31pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 macer , } 00003 *If one tenth of what the Jane Does say Bill did , then they need someone speaking for them , Lord knows the NOW is not going to . 084152 00001 wavfen2 - 11 : 31pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Here we are just a few days after it was PROVEN that our President committed perjury , Oobstructed justice , lied under oath , GOD only knows what else he ' s guilty of . And I picked up the paper here in my little town and see where a witness in an arson trial was charged with LYING UNDER OATH , PERJURY AND OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE . It ' s truly a shame he doesn , t have the money to hire the crooked lawyers Bill Clionton had . Would any one care to start a Defense Fund for a poor ordinary citizen ? No ? Just as I Thought . 084153 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 33pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 wavfen , } 00003 *his defense is a piece of cake : it was all about finding a little warmth . he didn ' t understand the definition of fire , he ' s doin a good job at work , leave him alone , let him get back to the job he was hired to do . 084154 00001 dougeaton - 11 : 34pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 gerrymagnuson1 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 29pm } 00004 *Gerry : it ' s the symbolic value . The chief magistrate , he who is charged with executing the laws of the United States , disbarred for violating his oath as a lawyer . Poetic justice . 084155 00001 desinasue - 11 : 37pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 wavfen2 : } 00003 *Since you are so concerned about that poor ordinary citizen , why in hell don , t you start a defense fund for him . ? ? 084156 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 11 : 38pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 wavfen2 , } 00004 *as ' sexual harrassment ' is settling down or whatever , now we have our lawyers finding new words , and charges , and defenses to use , perjury , is-is , obstructing justice ( a catch-all if I ever heard one ) , me , I only get terroristic threatening . . . as in Ima gonna kicka your butt . . . 084157 00001 dougeaton - 11 : 39pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 wavfen2 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 31pm } 00004 *John Ehrlichman , whose death was announced yesterday , and who was Nixon ' s right hand man , spent 15 months in prison for perjury and obstruction of justice . Charles Colson spent 2 years in prison for illegally possessing two FBI files . Etc , ad nauseum . 084158 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 40pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 desinue , } 00003 *I think you got wavfen ' s point backwards , read it again . . . 084159 00001 gzyn1 - 11 : 40pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *He needs to contact the Election Board , register Democrat and appeal to a Democrat judge . LOL 084160 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 41pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 doug , } 00003 *it ' s still not too late . . . who ya figure for Ehrlichman ' s corollary ? Kendall or Ickes ? 084161 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 11 : 44pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 dougeaton , } 00004 *exactly ! I was just adding that he has never had a private job in his entire life , not even selling tyson left-wing chicken wings . . . please continue 084162 00001 clair33b - 11 : 46pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 dougeaton 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 39pm } 00003 *IT AINT FAIR BOO HOO BOO HOO . 084163 00001 macer235 - 11 : 48pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *NEWSWEEK on Lindsay Graham in the Senate PORTRAIT OF A TOTAL SLEAZE WHO WANTED TO USE THE SENATE TRIAL FOR AN INNUENDO AND HEARSAY BASED CAMPAIGN AGAINST CLINTON Remember all the excitement among the right-wing crazies here a few weeks ago . Graham was behind that stuff and along with several of the organizations listed on the publiuspress . com links . Here ' s what Newseek had to say : Now in order to shake up the prissy senators , he wanted to portray Clinton as rough sex-fiend and cover-up artist . During the House impeachment hearings , the Judiary Committee had paraded members into a secret evidence room ( macer : hearsay and innuendo room for Republican jurors only--so much for post-trial claims that Clinton ws treated as " above the law , " the opposite being the case ) . They were shown a report from Ken Starr about a witness in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case called Jane Doe Five . About twenty years ago Clinton had allegedly forced himself upon Jane Doe Five . The evidence was murky : Jane Doe had broken down in tears when questioned by Starr ' s investigators , who failed to ask follow-up questions . JANE DOE FIVE WAS NOT PART OF THE IMPEACHMENT CASE SENT OVER TO THE SENATE ( macer ' s caps ) . Graham and others hoped , however , to get the press interested ( macer : now do you recall the recent effort by operatives on this site ) . They were glad when NBC ' s Lisa Myers interviewed Jane Doe , and loked forward to an expose on " Dateline . " ( macer : a sneaky way to put the same kind of pressure on Senate Republicans that the secret room stuff placed on House Republicans ) . Graham who calls himself " the Jane Doe guy , " also went digging for other woman ( macer : " what a f*cking sleaze--everything but the kitchen sink from this allegedly courageous defender of morality , law and the constitution ) . He says he called a NEWSWEEK reporter at home because he had heard he was working on a story about Clinton and a former Miss America . TOLD NO , HE ASKED , " GOT ANYTHING ELSE COMING ? " ( macer ' s caps ) . Macer asks : Did someone says this wasn ' t about sexual McCarthyism ? That these SOB ' s were concerned with " doing what was right ? " Even if the Miss America story had any basis in fact what legitimate purpose could it serve in introducing into a trial that allegedly was " not about sex " but " about perjury and obstruction of justice . " This story reveals the House Managers as the biggest godd*mn liars of all in carrying out one of the most serious events in our history . What a joke ! This story deserves more widespread attention . It pulls the sheets off all the oft-repeated pretexts and shows that events really were the kind of kangaroo court the White House claims . Is anyone surprised ? 084164 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 49pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 gerry , } 00003 *he taught at law school briefly , so maybe he could go back to that job . . . er , no , dibarrment might not look too good on in the cirriculum . . . ok , he writes a book , " Monica ' s Story - My Side of It " there , no law degree required for that . Speaking of Monica ' s Story , wonder if it will outsell the Starr Report ? 084165 00001 searingtruth - 11 : 49pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . Science is on the verge of discovering the secret to immortality , and we are discussing the use of , and candor about , someone else ' s winky . Myopic my friends . 084166 00001 tboucher4 - 11 : 49pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 macer235 } 00003 * " Law and Order " is a work of fiction . Much like Clintons ' deposition and GJ testimony . 084167 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 49pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 gerry , } 00003 *he taught at law school briefly , so maybe he could go back to that job . . . er , no , dibarrment might not look too good on in the cirriculum . . . ok , he writes a book , " Monica ' s Story - My Side of It " there , no law degree required for that . Speaking of Monica ' s Story , wonder if it will outsell the Starr Report ? 084168 00001 republicanok - 11 : 52pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Hi , > 00003 gerry , } 00004 *can ' t disagree with you . Some of the posts tonight have stirred old memories and your talking about mosquitos just added to them . Many years ago I traveled to LA and the Bay Area quite often on business . The first thing that struck me was how health conscious everyone appeard to be . No smoking , hated cigarettes and also the people who smoked , everyone jogged , very environmentally correct . No factory smoke , no cigarette smoke , etc . , etc . The second thing that struck me was how much in love with cars the people are . Never let a car sit still if they can drive around the block . The people vetoed every bill for mass transit . I decided that if you jogged in LA or the Bay Area , it was strictly because you could move faster than the cars . It certainly was not for health reasons , the very air could kill you at peak traffic times . Being from the South , of course I was teased about the mosquitos - " I just couldn ' t live in the South they have all those bugs , we don ' t have any bugs " . I would respond with " you are absolutely correct , I just couldn ' t imagine sitting in traffic four to six hours a day swatting mosquitos " . Regardless if you talking about cigarettes , environment , cars , or bugs , some people thought they were PC , I thought they lacked logic . johnsdad1b - 11 : 55pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( §§084169 of 84224 ) " There can be no high civility without a deep morality . " . . . . . Ralph Waldo Emerson macer235 Hey coward , are you here ? 084170 00001 macer235 - 11 : 55pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *The portrayal of " Ken Starr " on Law and order was a dead-accurate mirror of reality . They just used another name . 084171 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 56pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *gee , > 00003 Macer , } 00004 *imagine just for a second , that just a couple of these women are actually telling the truth , that what they are saying happened happened . And , just for a moment , imagine that the president is lying about it ( that ' s not too hard to imagine is it ? ) , just imagine possibly that it is BC who is lying and not all these other folks . . . 084172 00001 macer235 - 11 : 57pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *hi , } 00003 *johnsdad : } 00004 *Did anybody blow up your home again today ? Did they get your car again ? It ' s amazing Charlie tracked you all this way and then stopped abruptly . 084173 00001 clair33b - 11 : 59pm Feb 17 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 johnsdad1b 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 55pm } 00003 *I dont know if Macer is here , but I do know that I have walked 12 consective days for a period of one hour . Going in Friday to get a Glucose kit . I think I will make it . May have already lost 2 lbs for this week . 990218 084174 00001 republicanok - 12 : 00am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 doug : } 00003 *It is going to be interesting to see if Judge Wright has more balls than the Democrats in the House and Senate . 084175 00001 tboucher4 - 12 : 01am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *This server acting up on anyone else ? 084176 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 12 : 02am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 d-fendr , } 00004 *as you just stated he did not work , he taught in a school , did not EDUCATE ! ! ! If I gave a speech in front of Rotary , heaven forbid , and got paid , that is not work . 084177 00001 johnsdad1b - 12 : 03am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 * " There can be no high civility without a deep morality . " . . . . . Ralph Waldo Emerson > 00003 macer235 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 55pm } 00004 *Total fantasy . . . the life you lead . . . . . Frank baby , how was it you outed me ? I went to a massage parlor next door to your gay bath house ? I was away and you tell people you outed me ? ? ? ? ? Hey coward . . what ' s with your cowardice ? That all you know how to do ? 084178 00001 dougeaton - 12 : 03am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 d-fendr 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 41pm } 00004 *So many of them are culpable , it ' s hard to choose . Bennett , Blumenthahl , Jordan , Curry , Bill Richardson , Reno , etc . They all were involved . And if they had known about the dress , none of them would have been involved . Linda Tripp nailed them all . They ' re all crooks and she nailed them all . A true American hero . " O Villany ! Ho ! let the door be lock ' d : Treachery ! Seek it out ! ! ! " Hamlet 084179 00001 d-fendr - 12 : 03am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *but > 00003 republicanok , } 00004 *Judge Wright is known as a stalker , and Julia Steele says she never mentioned Bill to her . . . 084180 00001 d-fendr - 12 : 15am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 dougeaton 2 / 18 / 99 12 : 03am } 00003 *yeah . . so many accomplices , so little time . . and Reno . . well , she ' s no John Mitchell , but . . ( yeah , the server ' s acting up again . . I ' m gone for the night . . ) take care posters . . . peace 084181 00001 republicanok - 12 : 19am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 gerry / > 00003 d-fendr : } 00004 *Horrid thought , BC teaching our children ! During all of this sordid mess , some talking head said - hell no , he is not going to resign , where would he go ? He has no place ! They have never owned anything , don ' t have anything . Nothing wrong with that but they are supposed to be so damn brilliant ! Bill Clinton nominated for Nobel Piece Prize ! He deserves to win ! 084182 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 12 : 20am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 Aloha , } 00003 *republicanok , } 00004 *not canuk ? or goofy newf ? Darn ! I just sent my associate to SF today , too correct , and I don ' t like being rejected by all the guys . I drove by Fremont , other side of the bay , noticed an ORGANIC farm . . . with three ( 3 ) freeways surrounding it ! ! DUH ! ! ! 084183 00001 republicanok - 12 : 20am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Can ' t stand the waiting - Good Night All . Sweet Dreams ! 084184 00001 macer235 - 12 : 21am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 d-fender } 00003 *says : " gee , Macer , imagine just for a second , that just a couple of these women are actually telling the truth . . . } 00004 *1 . You aren ' t supposed to " imagine . " You must have clear evidence . 2 . The only two women whose stories of affairs with Bill Clinton are credible at this point are Jennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky ( and those stories should not have been brought before the public except for the kind of motives demonstrated by Lindsey Graham in the NEWSWEEK story I just quoted . 3 . It is especially inappropriate for a Congressman or a Senator to do so on the basis of hearsay . It is ten times more outrageous to do so in something as serious as the recent impeachment and trial . By doing so , House managers give credence to all claims concerning their real motives . 4 . Most of the behavior ascribed to Clinton in those other cases are inconsistent with his playful behavior toward Monica and Jennifer . He just didn ' t come on as the aggressive , " C ' mere baby , " sort of lout . You know the type . They tend to stay consistent . 5 . The other women had serious inconsistencies in their story , including some verified instances of perjury ( verified on court records and other documents ) . Both Wyllie , Jane Doe #5 seem to have been more neurotic that Lewinsky or Flowers . 6 . There is also the " fantasy " factor that comes into play . I think Clarence Thomas was a victim of this in Anita Hill ' s accusations . They came about when she tried to build her own importance by bragging about a relationship ( which I suspect was non-existent ) in a bar . Two political-motivated feminists put her on the spot and you know how it went from there . I believe she eventually started believing her own story . Believe me , it happens , especially if to a man that women find attractive and even more so if you are a movie star , a presiden , a rock star , a sports figure , etc . Those folks can tell you . I should point out that Clarence Thomas was too conservative for me ( I ' m slightly center right I ' d say ) but that doesn ' t make what Anita Hill did right . As for Bob Packwood , there were at least l8 accusers , their stories were consistent , and he was one of the most liberal members of the Senate . If feminists wanted to frame a Republican senator , they ' d have gone after Sen . Hatch or Sen . Cannon . Unlike Clinton , a victim of sexual McCarthyism , Packwood really was a sexual aggressor who pushed himself were he wasn ' t wanted . Darn , this server always get slow around this time . . . I ' m giving up for the night soon . 084185 00001 johnsdad1b - 12 : 35am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 * " There can be no high civility without a deep morality . " . . . . . Ralph Waldo Emerson > 00003 macer235 2 / 17 / 99 11 : 57pm } 00004 *He ' d have had to come to the states , I left ! . . . . With the wife , child and my mother . . . . . We lived well ...... Except where they hit was in Ben Tre at the Phoenix Program house I had ...... The family lived in Saigon ...... Why was I there to start with . . . . The money wasn ' t bad and I believed in the entire program of being there . . . . Later on , to keep us there , the money was about 20 times that of a GI . . . . TAX FREE plus expences and allowances , so they shot at me etc . . . . . Better than for 200-300 a month . . . . . If you would have asked me when I was on line I would have told you . . . . Coward that you are , you waited until I left ...... 084186 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 12 : 35am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 macer , } 00004 *you are correct in that people say Clinton has charisma , he holds the office , as a micheal jordan . the attraction is not so much bill , as having been with and done the P of the USA . Look how women use to ' swoon ' at Elvis . . . I ' ve always had to use my gold card . . . 084187 00001 collioure1 - 12 : 36am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 macer235 2 / 18 / 99 12 : 21am } 00004 *Willey probably is a little neurotic - after being visited by the White House secret police . Seems some people in Bill ' s past who knew too much didn ' t live to tell about it . Lotta smoke around Bill ' s sexual promiscuity . Blinds me in a different way than it blinds you . I think there ' s a bonfire . You think it ' s someone blowin smoke . But then again you ' re one of Bill ' s enablers . 084188 00001 patszmania - 12 : 38am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *I don , t agree with the verdict of the impeachment . The whole truth has been tarnished . If the original case was such a small affair , why lie to a grand jury , or even mislead it . The long term result will affect the future of the courts in the USA . Instead of an oath maybe the courts can adopt the back side of a corporate purchase order to become apart of the oath . What the verdict did reveal is that the thought process inside the loop is muddled , senators saying he was wrong , yet not thinking of the long term consequences . The congress should vote to have their salary and fringes paid not by the fed gov ' t but by the states that sent them , ( annual state review for salary and pension payments ) , get the control outside the loop . If clinton can get away with his lies and perjury , maybe even congress needs oversight from the states . I would dare say congress would huddle inside the loop at the very thought ( recall their bank fiasco ) and vote 100% against any such issue . The point is that the lesson learned from the impeachment is that the " impeachment process " has flaws . Direct oversite and control by each state legislature of their congressman ' s pay and pension , may help . Maybe one man is above the law , but letting the ballot elect the congressperson and each state pay their checks will put some continued pressure on these " process people " 084189 00001 johnsdad1b - 12 : 39am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 * " There can be no high civility without a deep morality . " . . . . . Ralph Waldo Emerson Server is the pits . . . . Tomorrow will do it . . . . . 084190 00001 patszmania - 12 : 42am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *I don , t agree with the verdict of the impeachment . The whole truth has been tarnished . If the original case was such a small affair , why lie to a grand jury , or even mislead it . The long term result will affect the future of the courts in the USA . Instead of an oath maybe the courts can adopt the back side of a corporate purchase order to become apart of the oath . What the verdict did reveal is that the thought process inside the loop is muddled , senators saying he was wrong , yet not thinking of the long term consequences . The congress should vote to have their salary and fringes paid not by the fed gov ' t but by the states that sent them , ( annual state review for salary and pension payments ) , get the control outside the loop . If clinton can get away with his lies and perjury , maybe even congress needs oversight from the states . I would dare say congress would huddle inside the loop at the very thought ( recall their bank fiasco ) and vote 100% against any such issue . The point is that the lesson learned from the impeachment is that the " impeachment process " has flaws . Direct oversite and control by each state legislature of their congressman ' s pay and pension , may help . Maybe one man is above the law , but letting the ballot elect the congressperson and each state pay their checks will put some continued pressure on these " process people " 084191 00001 lkhays - 12 : 43am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Keith Hays , Country Lawyer I ' m too old . There are too many memories of what was , of where we were , of how close we came of what we could have become . But tonight it came back . Tonight it all came flooding back and washed over me like a wave . It was a film that did it . Missing , the account of Ed Horman and his daughter-in-law Beth trying to find his son and her husband Charles Horman who disappeared in the Pinochet coup engineered by the Nixon administration . Charles Horman was executed because people of the US military bragged to him of their role , because he knew too much . He was executed with the approval of the US State Department . One American died because he knew . One American . One . I ' m too old . I had forgotten how much it hurt to see my country , my government , my flag excuse any crime , defend any tyrant , reward any horror while waving a bloody flag and proclaiming a crusade against the imaginary foe , the com-symp , the pinko . I ' m too old . I had forgotten how far we had fallen from Teddy Roosevelt ' s American where the power of our nation would be marshaled to defend any one American , anywhere . I ' m too old and too tired and too comfortable to want to remember . It wasn ' t about a two-bit burglary . It was about more than that . It was about four dead kids on a college campus . It was about dead Americans in the streets and alleys and prisons of Santiago . It was about political police operating out of the White House , raiding Doctor ' s files in the dead of night . It was about preserving your liberty and mine and our grandchildren . It was not about prying into our bedrooms - it was about prying into our hearts . It was about the core of America and what we had nearly become . I ' m too tired and old and reading the same old slogans , the same justifications , the same red baiting when the reds are gone and buried makes me remember . And I shudder and grow cold in the midnight chill . 084192 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 12 : 43am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 macer , } 00004 *could it just be that this all started with Packwood ? Think about it , this guy was in congress for the longhaul , many friends and ties . Paybacks can be a b-t-h ! You hit our guy with sex , you hit thomas with sex , BINGO ! Our turn ! ! ! Possible ? 084193 00001 d-fendr - 12 : 44am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 dougeaton 2 / 18 / 99 12 : 03am } 00003 *yeah . . so many accomplices , so little time . . and Reno . . well , she ' s no John Mitchell , but . . ( yeah , the server ' s acting up again . . I ' m gone for the night . . ) take care posters . . . peace 084194 00001 macer235 - 12 : 55am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 johhsday : } 00003 * " outing , " as you darn well know if you read my post , was used to refer to your credibity re : combat record , nothing to do with sex . If you decide to make accusations in that area , I suspect you are covering for your own tastes . And it was you who took off after I posted . I ' m not required to believe your story and I don ' t , not only for the reasons I gave but also because , having had friends who were in ground combat ( and whose wounds verify that it was so ) , I know they were very reluctant to talk about it and they never volunteer info . You have to pry it out of them . They say that people who do brag to any extent about their combat experience usually spent most of their time in the rear ( for which they had a special term ) . My brother was in Vietnam for a year and saw virtually no action , except--if I recall correctly , he was shelled once or twice . By the way , it might be best to use " search " to get replies later when the server is this slow . 084195 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 00am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 halmbrown 2 / 17 / 99 7 : 16pm } 00004 *Geoffrey Fieger is the announced candidate against Abraham . He couldn ' t even beat Ken Starr one-on-one . 084196 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 01 : 01am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , I always considered myself a civilian , our great president nixon gave me an early out , five years , or leavenworth . My expertise was checking out bars and whorehouses , checking red marks are the working women ' s cards . Any war stories are the humorous type , that ' s good enough , never try to get inside a guy ' s head . 084197 00001 svcarlson - 01 : 09am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Well , it looks like Berke ' s finally got one right . It seems the Republican leadership is volunteering to crucify itself on the 2000 elections . They are going to push the impeachment issue ALL the WAY . Way to go , Republican leadership . They ' ll make it easy . Berke was wrong about Clinton , but I sure hope he ' s right about this . Not that it matters . People won ' t forget anyway . Does look like Quayle or Buchanan , though . They ' ll be more politically correct than Forbes , so his practical economic ideas won ' t matter . Hopefully we ' ll get a good President that can work with those great governors the Republicans always boast about . Or . . . we could get some Democratic governors . 084198 00001 estali - 01 : 12am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Last night I watched the PBS special on Ronald Reagan . He got on television and looked the American people in the eye and said " I did NOT trade arms for hostages ! ! " . But , at that time I never heard outcries of " Oh , how can I trust my president again ? Oh , what will I tell my children . . . etc etc . . . " 084199 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 16am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 svcarlson 2 / 18 / 99 1 : 09am } 00004 *Still trying to umpire from left field ? Hard to judge the balls and strikes from there . Fom what I ' ve seen the Republicans are sprinting ayay from impeachment with a dog-and-pony show about tax cuts . 084200 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 19am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 svcarlson 2 / 18 / 99 1 : 09am } 00004 *BTW the crop of governors from all parties is excellent these days . Mayors too - the most productive politicians of this decade . Where the real action is . Washington is just a side show . 084201 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 22am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 estali 2 / 18 / 99 1 : 12am } 00004 *You forgot your lines about Jefferson . All part of the same spin to make Clinton at least look average . Which doesn ' t work . 084202 00001 svcarlson - 01 : 23am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Country lawyer , you got it . That ' s what this is all about . The link is , now we got a whole party full of Nixons . And you ' re wrong if you think it ' s just about looking in the bedroom . They want to take us back to the sixties . For instance , what ' s going to happen in the Soviet Union now ? Or Asia , Korea , Phillipines , Indonesia ? Latin America ? Middle East ? And these righteous , moral men want to lead the military , draft our decadent young men , and go into adventure . What about the delicate balance between creating opportunity and cutting welfare ? A strong law and order approach to " curing " the problems of the cities with a party of Nixons at the helm ? Sounds like the sixties could come back at any time . So what ' s at stake here is a basic belief in freedom as the cherished American value , like you said about Teddy Roosevelt . But I appreciate your memory . Funny , that ' s how I described it just this week to a younger colleague . I mentioned Kent State , the controversy over the Vietnam War , the draft . In that time the Counterculture played a key role in maintained the power of freedom . This time it would be more powerful , but so would the opposition . I would prefer to keep the middle way . 084203 00001 tna1pada3 - 01 : 24am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " ANCILLARY POWERS OF FEDERAL COURTS : The Contempt Power More than any of you will ever want to know about the subject . Some posters have obviously been listening to hate-radio or reading casual discussions of " the contempt power " . Disbarment isn ' t within the judicial power of the Judge . Only the licensing authority has the power to disbar an attorney ( though the judge could certainly refer to matter to the bar or even file a complaint such action would be highly irregular ) . Typical sanctions rarely extend further than rebuke and some monetary penalty . Punishment for civil contempt generally falls between a wrist slap and a spanking ; it stings but doesn ' t injure . Of course , every rule has its exceptions and this matter so far has verged on the bizarre so not much would be surprising . As a general rule however , if you get your view on legal matters from the radio or from a biased publication or other media outlet , the chances are good your view will be erroneous . This is a tempest in a teapot , of interest mostly to the media and to the freeperlooneys and ' get-Clinton ' mobsters thrilled by any burr under Clinton ' s popularity saddle and willing always to pile on just one more time . " They just want to win too badly . " Stung by their failure so far . . . 084204 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 28am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 tna1pada3 2 / 18 / 99 1 : 24am } 00004 *Contempt , Ada . Contempt . 084205 00001 svcarlson - 01 : 32am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 Coulliere , } 00003 *I was just reading the article in tomorrow ' s NYT . It cites Lott and other " conservatives " as pushing this . Like I say , maybe he got this wrong . BTW , the governors and mayors are not where it is at at all . No way . These guys operate by getting national programs going which allow for waivers to allow for certain innovation . It ' s good , but the idea that Republican governors are generating the great ideas is a load . First , Democratic governors interact freely , secondly the ideas are usually generated by the Administration , and that was true when Bush was in there too . The state and city leaders raise ideas with various executive departments , usually through associations meeting in Washington , then see what they can get funded . They compete for money just like the Defense Department or the universities or school systems . The President then proposes , Congress disposes . The governors are learning to play the game pretty well , but a lot of it has to do with the strong economy . They face some upcoming challenges , not least of which is loss of tax revenue to this thing , the internet . 084206 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 38am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 svcarlson 2 / 18 / 99 1 : 32am } 00004 *I don ' t see Washington being anywhere near as important as it was 25 years ago . Money just not there now . Internet sales tax losses are a problem for states , yet many governors have more than enough money right now . 084207 00001 tboucher4 - 01 : 46am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Anybody see the thing about the guy buying OJ ' s stuff , then burning it on the LA County courthouse steps . Think that got OJ ' s blood pressure up a little . Guess it would be asking too much for the next occupant on the White House to drag the newest portrait out on the lawn and torch it . Now folks , that ' s a completly bi-partican fantacy . 084208 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 47am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 svcarlson 2 / 18 / 99 1 : 32am } 00004 *I just read the Berke article myself . Says some Republicans want to hang onto impeachment for a while , that they ' re still fixated on it . No way wiser heads are going to sign onto that . They ' ve been running from impeachment since New Years Day . 084209 00001 algordon3 - 01 : 48am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *I came to the NY Times website to read their take on the possible contempt of court finding by the Arkansas judge in the Paula Jones case , as every other news source had this story page 1 , but find it absent . . . or at least I haven ' t found it . Is it here ? What gives ? 084210 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 49am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 tboucher4 2 / 18 / 99 1 : 46am } 00004 *Excellent thinking . Kudos . 084211 00001 tboucher4 - 01 : 57am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Wonder where they ' ll hand his portrait ? Do the new guys have any say , or is it up to the National Park Service ? Just talking about this stuff cause we really have run out of things to say ? Enjoyed last nights discussion of BBQ . 084212 00001 tboucher4 - 02 : 00am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *OOPS . Delete hand , Insert hang . 084213 00001 tboucher4 - 02 : 02am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Looks like I ' m talking to myself . Night-Night 084214 00001 gerrymagnuson1 - 02 : 03am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *aloha , > 00003 coll , } 00004 *you are on your own , svcarlson came on earlier , I asked him some straight honest questions , typically , no straight , honest answers . He ' s for the chicano movement , don ' t know where they came from , or who their government is , he then attacked the white man for taking my ancestors tabacco , ain ' t healthy you know . . . This ol ' cowboy got too much family and bloodlines . What I don ' t know . . . I give good phone and can find out in a nano-second or Hawaiian time . Some people on this forum know about me , others . . . no big deal . coffee cowboy . . . just talked to my commie sweetie in russia , sweet dreams for me . . . good night all 084215 00001 lkhays - 02 : 06am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Keith Hays , Country Lawyer > 00003 svcarlson 2 / 18 / 99 1 : 23am } 00004 *Oh , I know its not about prying into our bedrooms - that is just the excuse . I wasn ' t a hippy-dippy leftist counter-culture kid . I was a husband , father , law student , prosecutor in a college town . I didn ' t go to Woodstock - I didn ' t like the music - I still don ' t . But it was my America they tried to steal . It was my flag they stuck in their lapels . It was my freedom to think and feel and speak that they wanted to stifle . So I spoke . And I rang doorbells . And went to meetings . And wrote press releases . And recognized that it started with aldermen and school board members and State Legislature elections . It was my flag ! It was my freedom ! It was my country ! We can ' t let them take it again ! 084216 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 23am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 gerrymagnuson1 2 / 18 / 99 2 : 03am } 00004 *Yeah , carlson is one of those multi-culturalists . 084217 00001 dexza . za - 02 : 37am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *All presidents around the world engage in extra-marital sex , why impeach a good president just for a very simple reason that everbody does . He just but human like everyone else . 084218 00001 juniorjunior1 - 02 : 39am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Either We All Have Freedom Of Speech Or None Of Us Have It ! ! ! ! Ah , the ol ' " everyone does it " excuse for Criminal behavior . Will we see you standing outside the Prison gates calling for blanket releases of convicts because " everyone does what they did " also ? 084219 00001 limonta - 02 : 44am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Who are the corrupted people here . . ? ? Starr getting 40 million richer . . ? The GOP playing the elephant game . . . ? This GOP blunder with the impeachment will cost them the two houses of Congress at the next elections . The democrats will gain full control of Congress and The White House Any republicans left in Congress will look and feel like ants . Why . . ? The republicans are more corrupted than the President ! ! Plain and simple . 084220 00001 milet3 - 03 : 19am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *President Clinton is not guilty . He is a real President . others were covered and he was opened . NO differance each other . It ' s my belief . I am sorry . thank you . 084221 00001 limonta - 03 : 33am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) > 00002 to Milet3 : } 00003 *I agree with you 100% The President is not guilty . The accusers are ! ! 084222 00001 dexza . za - 03 : 33am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Don ' t you think he ' s too good and intelligent enough to impeach ? He rightly deserves his acquittal . The ol ' " everybody does " thing is a good excuse for people who deseves to use it . Gotta go . till next time . 084223 00001 milet3 - 03 : 44am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *President Clinton is not guilty . He is a real President . others were covered and he was opened . NO differance each other . It ' s my belief . I am sorry . thank you . 084224 00001 albertk21 - 04 : 18am Feb 18 , 1999 EST ( of 84224 ) } 00002 *Hello , The verdict was correct . Now move on . If the Republicans wish to fixate on this issue , then remind them of " Tricky Dickie " . If they dont listen then throw them out . +++ 990219 085237 00001 republicanok - 08 : 45am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) > 00002 china : } 00003 *Are you not the young lady who stuffs paper in her vents at work so others cannot hear she is a closet Democrat ? 085238 00001 chinagirlz1 - 08 : 48am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) } 00002 *The Wall Street Journal story is written as an editorial or commentary . This is not an investigative journalism piece . Whether it is true or not remains to be seen . If the Wall Street Journal had been totally secure in the journalistic value of this story , they would have placed it on the news pages . 085239 00001 janiti4 - 08 : 49am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) } 00002 *TRUTH IN MORONIC SIMPLICITY GOOD MORNING . I CAN SEE CLEARLY NOW , THE STAIN IS GONE . GONE ARE REPUBLICANS IN MY WAY . ITS GONNA BE A BRIGHT , BRIGHT ACQUITTAL DAY . GONNA BE A BRIGHT ACQUITTAL DAY . 085240 00001 supkis - 08 : 50am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) } 00002 *SOOO---the OIC run by Starr will be investigated by another OIC to determine if Starr ' s OIC leaked news , and Starr is demanding the OIC investigating him should be investigated for leaking news about his OIC so we will need a new OIC to investigate the OIC investigating the origional OIC which started the whole OIC thing in the first place . Of course , this being DC , the new new OIC will leak news about the investigations of the other OICs triggering automatically yet another OIC and so on . Eventually every lawyer in America will be involved in this wonderful chainletter . Moncia is laughing and Venus is dangling her toes over the edge of the clouds , langerously streching herself and Pan is dancing in the streets , creating panic ! 085241 00001 chinagirlz1 - 08 : 52am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) } 00002 *Rogan was on the radio this morning saying how he doesn ' t think his role in the impeachment will hurt him . Even though the district is becoming more and more Democrat . Is this what it takes to be a Republican ? A disconnect between beliefs and facts ? 085242 00001 halmbrown - 08 : 54am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) > 00002 China , } 00003 *there was a report on the news last night about how many students cheat in college and the high tech ways ( tiny cameras the small enough to fit in a watch ) they do it . The percentages were staggering . No wonder one can get a college degree and be ignorant . I cheated once in my entire life , on a Latin exam in high school ( I glanced at a classmate ' s paper ) . I still flunked the exam ! Never cheated or was even tempted to besides that once . It is hard for me to fathom what is going on when it is said 80% of all college students cheat . 085243 00001 supkis - 08 : 56am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) > 00002 Chinagirlz , } 00003 *you should run against Rogan . It would be most amusing to listen to you debate him ! You will do well , considering how easily even innocent little ole Monica walked all over him in her Pradas . 085244 00001 LeFebvre7 - 08 : 58am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) } 00002 *RE : NY Times Article - " Reno considering an outsider to lead an Inquiry into Starr " - February 19 , 1999 . Assuming that the headline and story are accurate - the Reno Justice Department has just confirmed the need for an independent counsel law , by tacitly admitting that they do not have the impartiality necessary to investigate the case . While the Independent Counsel law as currently written has flaws , as any law created by man does , the underlying premise behind it that a political appointee would not have the appearance of impartiality necessary to investigate his / her boss , is once again borne out . I will urge my Congressmen and Senators to reauthorize the law when it comes up in June , simply to ensure that certain allegations against " covered persons " are taken out of the hands of a potentially politicized Justice Department . 085245 00001 chinagirlz1 - 08 : 58am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) > 00002 Hal } 00003 *I tried cheating in high school -- 10th grade math class , crib notes . I got caught . Once was enough . I never cheated in college ! 085246 00001 macer235 - 09 : 00am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) } 00002 *TWO TV DRAMAS PORTRAY A VICIOUS STARR-TYPE INVESTIGATOR ( Part II will be on tonight ) Wednesday ' s " Law and Order " has a great episode in which one of the regulars ( played by Sam Waterson ) was actually taken off in handcuffs at one point for defying an independen prosecutor who wanted the name of a lesbian witness to a murder . Although the murder was totally unrelated to politics or corruption , Pig Eyes saw a new opporunity to use sexual McCarthyism in a partisan , leak-ridden attempt to get the White House . You can almost hear him salivate and his frustration is palpable and McCoy ' s resistence . Before the grand jury , he brings up every bit of crap , innuendo and rumor that ever existed about McCoy or detective Lennie Briscoe to turn the Grand Jury against him ( that secret room testimony stuff ) . Viewers had to hate the Independent Prosecutor , whose style and tactics were quintessential Ken Starr . No one could doubt who was really being portrayed here . Clever ! Clever ! Clever ! Bravo NBC ( My wife had told me the shows were CBS ) . I ' ll bet NBC got lots of venon from Clinton haters and may be threatened , as Larry Flynt was , with obstruction of justice charges . Why not ? These guys can repeal freedom of speech and press while they are at it . They ' ve done everything else . The show continues tonight on Homicide : Life on the Streets since the story involves a tie between NY where the bodies were found ( Law and Order ) and Baltimore ( Homicide ) where the victim lived after moving there from DC . ANOTHER MUST : Saturday Night Live will have a parody of America ' s MOST Hated Woman , LINDA TRIPP . The show will also feature Texas legend LUCINDA WILLIAMS , who blends folk , blues , rock in a real roots style . Her father , a famous English professor , was a presidential advisor and close confidant of Jimmy Carter . 085247 00001 supkis - 09 : 02am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) } 00002 *I have friends who are professors . They all really really patrol for cheats . There are many amusing stories about catching cheaters . One guy tried to bribe a friend of mine and even brought in his rich daddy to do it personally . The kid was kicked out and daddy nearly got arrested but the univeristy didn ' t want to make the news . Yes , there is alot of cheating . Ronnie Reagan was given Jimmy Carter ' s debate notes and he cheated and used them to best Carter in the Presidential debates . When confronted , Reagan did his , " aw , shucks , I didn ' t steal them , they were given to me " excuse which I know my friends would have punished him for and gotten him tossed out of college , but we rewarded this moral paragon and made him President . Go figure ! Now everyone tries to cheat but the GOP blames Clinton ! 085248 00001 republicanok - 09 : 04am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) > 00002 china : } 00003 *You are cheating every time you post in this forum while at work ! ! ! 085249 00001 bobgray22 - 09 : 06am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) } 00002 *Good morning all . > 00003 clair33b 2 / 19 / 99 8 : 39am } 00004 *re : " The GOP claims to be as white as snow . Larry Flynt can prove claim wrong . " } 00005 *The GOP has never claimed to be " white as snow " , they obviously have their flaws just like everyone else including democrats , but is it really too much to demand that the standards of behavior for the president of the United States be higher than that of the average garage mechanic . ( Oblique reference to Joey Buttafucco , no insult to mechanics intended . ) His behavior would be , should be , and in many instances has been , grounds for dismissal for any other officer of a company , or elected official . 085250 00001 supkis - 09 : 06am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) > 00002 Republicanok , } 00003 *Chinagirlz is at home , dummy . 085251 00001 heimbrock - 09 : 11am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) > 00002 Crybaby spammer } 00003 *It is OK for the hypocritical Crybaby Spammer to spam the forum with his tripe , but woe unto anyone else that the Crybaby spammer decides is a spammer ; the hypocritical Crybaby Spammer will cry to sysop , moderator , or the NYT . In this post Crybaby enabler does what enablers do best , blame everyone else , denigrate everyone else , except the object of their affections . 085252 00001 supkis - 09 : 12am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) > 00002 Bob Gray , } 00003 *I hate to be obvious , but you sound rather naive . If you imagine all people who are top leaders in industry and politics are all nice people except for the evil Clinton , this is false . If we were to spend $50 , 000 , 000 on every leader and every politician and give prosecutors unlimited people and time , we will dig out dirt on every lasting living one of them . You have been duped into thinking our President is unusal and a sex fiend . This is a fake picture created by very cynical and intelligent men who want to fool you . Read my satire previous here about the virginal frat rats who are from the top schools in America . Please note that frat rats are either a bunch of sweet virgins or they are what I know they are from first hand experience . 085253 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 14am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) > 00002 republicanok } 00003 *I never post from work . I occasionally look in , to see what ' s being discussed , but I have never posted from work . However , if they insist they want me there 80 hours some week when my job is really really dead -- I ' m going to happily post away . And I would be honest about it . So this is not really cheating , is it ! There have been times in the past when they have insisted I come in to work when I have had other work to do ( partly because I also own a business ) -- and I have made it known to them that I will appear at work , but I am going to do the stuff I planned to do at home . Since I ' m a supervisor , and the only other thing I do is QA ( which means I might be needed for 15 minutes every two hours ) I don ' t consider this cheating . 085254 00001 republicanok - 09 : 16am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) } 00002 *Good Morning > 00003 Bob : } 00004 *Glad someone intelligent is on this morning ! It is very obvious that Demo ' s or left thinkers cannot rise to the level decency to make those demands . The ACLU will not allow them to have standards it might hurt a pervert ' s feelings ! THE DEMOCRAT PARTY TRUMPS TRUTH AND JUSTICE ! 085255 00001 janiti4 - 09 : 24am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) } 00002 *TRUTH IN MORONIC SIMPLICITY BOY WE NEED HEROES ; WHY DONT WE PROPOSE 6 ON EACH SIDE . REP ; LOTT , HYDE , DE LAY , NEWT , BARR , QUAYLE DEM ; CLINTON , GORE , CLINTON , GEPHART , DASCHELL , BYRD ...... OF COURSE , THESE ARE ONLY STARTING POINTS . 085256 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 26am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85307 ) } 00002 *Many of us are quite intelligent on this forum -- and I am not speaking of only Democrats -- there are many intelligent Republican posters also . However , there are imbeciles from both sides who post on this forum . We probably all know who they are . I find it interesting that Republicans think they are the only intelligent life form around . I think it ' s that disconnect between beliefs and facts , once again , that symbolizes the Republican party ! arian35 - 09 : 27am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( §§085257 of 85306 ) " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin republicanok Just read chinagirlz ' s post to you about posting from work . It is this kind of convoluted thinking ( someone calls it " pretzel logic " ) that makes liberals LIBERALS ! It is no wonder we can ' t understand them ! ! ! ! ! ! 085258 00001 devereaux3 - 09 : 29am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *Reno ' s investigation is simply an attempt to : 1 ) smear Starr further ( the federal court already absolved him of the leaking charges re : what was undoubtedly White House generated grand jury stories ) . 2 ) to identify all of the people that the Clinton administration has to go after [harass , audit , smear , kill ? ? ) , to get even for the impeachment . It is the only way for the administration to get their hands on the I / C ' s investigative files . Reno is the Perpetrator in Chief ' s faithful servant : Gore didn ' t need to be investigated for his illegal fund raising and perjury . Ickes didn ' t need to be investigated for his perjury . Clinton didn ' t need to be investigated for his illegal fund raising and perjury related to it . But Starr needs to be investigated . 085259 00001 supkis - 09 : 30am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *As one sea slug said to another , " Good thing we are the smartest creatures in creation ! " 085260 00001 republicanok - 09 : 31am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) > 00002 CHINA : } 00003 *Funny , you have posted to me many times while at work - so you said ! Since you are a supervisor , all the more reason not to post at work . I can see a lot of work being done while everyone under your lead is happily posting away on the NYT forum ! LOL " And I would be honest about it . So this is not really cheating , is it " Another prime example of how left-thinkers twist in the wind so as not to appear hypocritical . 085261 00001 devereaux3 - 09 : 31am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *Reno ' s investigation is simply an attempt to : 1 ) smear Starr further ( the federal court already absolved him of the leaking charges re : what was undoubtedly White House generated grand jury stories ) . 2 ) to identify all of the people that the Clinton administration has to go after [harass , audit , smear , kill ? ? ) , to get even for the impeachment . It is the only way for the administration to get their hands on the I / C ' s investigative files . Reno is the Perpetrator in Chief ' s faithful servant : Gore didn ' t need to be investigated for his illegal fund raising and perjury . Ickes didn ' t need to be investigated for his perjury . Clinton didn ' t need to be investigated for his illegal fund raising and perjury related to it . But Starr needs to be investigated . 085262 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 36am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) > 00002 arian35 } 00003 *I thought I made perfect sense ! Republicanok thought I was cheating because I was posting from work . I have never posted from work , as of yet . . . but if they force me to work an 80 hour week ( which I used to do a lot , then I became a prima donna and refused to work so many hours ) . BUT , if they forced me to work a lot of hours I didn ' t really want to work -- I would post from work ! ( I probably should have explained -- I offered to go off the clock to do my personal work , but they insisted I had to stay on the clock for them to have me there legally . So , I stay on the clock and I do personal work -all with the good graces of the company I work for . ) 085263 00001 supkis - 09 : 37am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) > 00002 Devere : } 00003 *how could the White House leak that dumb " semen stained dress " story since they had no earthly way of knowing there was such a dress ? See how easily your accusations that the White House was this evil entity that magically did everything is so odd , so easily punctured by simple logic ? Indeed , it is totally insane to imagine how the President could benefit from leaking information that was bad for his case . This is so illogical even Republicans don ' t do this . 085264 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 41am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *I can ' t handle this server . It is so slow ! ! ! ! ! ! ! I hope everyone has a wonderful day ! Try to fight nicely ! I am out of here ! Bye ! 085265 00001 macer235 - 09 : 43am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) > 00002 HEILbrock : } 00003 *Sounds to me like you are the one who needs a box of tissues . My posts must be outstandingly effective to set you off such rage . Right ? And not a bit of ad hominem in my bunch ( I save the personal stuff exclusively for private counterattacks , as you know , having forced me to engage in that recently by getting nasty without cause ) . What ' s left but for you to stew in your own juices and wail about " crybaby spammers . " " Crybaby ? " That sounds like psychological projection , a phenomenon in which a thief thinks that everyone steals , a bigot thinks that everyone is bigoted , a crybaby thinks that everyone . . . etc ) . " Spammer ? " When have I ever posted an ad ? I take it you refer to my dead-on posts which are so irrefutable as to have you tongue-tied . " Hypocrite ? " Because I , like a dozen other regulars , complained to the Sysop about Yasuoka4 ' s repetitive vandalism , which had zero to do with the exchange of ideas . It was my doing so which first set off all this nastiness about " crybaby spammers , " " autism , " etc . So I gave you your own back IN SPADES off-forum . Nifty ! People aren ' t supposed to do that when you attack them personally . My advice to you would be don ' t take on the big boys . You lack the wherewithal , and find yourself grinding your teeth and spouting venom in frustration . Whether we deal in rational argument , as in my recent posts , or whether you choose to compete at the base level , I ' m prepared to handle both as you ' ve discovered to your dismay when you got a private spanking . You can give it but you can ' t take it . Little HEILbrock now has a sore fanny , for which he is quite bitter . You shouldn ' t have engaged in an UNPROVOKED attack ( unprovoked is dead accurate ) , sonny , or you ' d be able to sit in a chair without groaning . 085266 00001 arian35 - 09 : 44am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin I may be the only person in the world who thinks the OIC statute has merit . ( I think Sam Dash does , but who cares . ) Believe we ' ve all been " taken in " by the WH and liberal media spin about an OIC " out of control . " Any administration ' s DOJ headed by an APPOINTED Attorney General cannot be expected to investigate the BOSS and his / her appointees . Not realistic . Witness the fund raising scandal--Reno ' s reluctance to investigate to the point of letting key people have enough time to run for the borders . Those that didn ' t took the 5th , or " couldn ' t remember . " 085267 00001 bobgray22 - 09 : 45am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) > 00002 supkis 2 / 19 / 99 9 : 12am } 00003 *No such thing as naive former military . I know that there are people out there who get away with actions both unethical and illegal . But when their actions are made public , there is an accountability , sometimes justice is served , sometimes not . Your cynical view of the world has apparently given you the perspective that because there are so many other people with serious character flaws , one more wouldn ' t make a difference , and if we were discussing anyone other than the president I would agree . It is not his sexual appetites I have a problem with , it is his careless attitude with the truth , both in his personnal and his public life . I find this intolerable behavior for a president . One other point , you seem to have this fixation on 50 , 000 , 000 dollars , first , Clinton himself is responsible for a large portion of that amount through his failed delaying tactics , second , this money wasn ' t wasted because it resulted in several criminal indictments , third , the government probably wastes more than that every year sending out memos that don ' t get read and promptly thrown in the trash . 50 mil . doesn ' t even show up in the annual budget reports . 085268 00001 lucky085 - 09 : 46am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *KS will soon be dancing to the jail house rock . 085269 00001 republicanok - 09 : 53am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) > 00002 arian : } 00003 *You caught that too ! A very , very typical example of left-thinking . For a couple of years it surprised me when my overhead budget went through the roof in August and September . Of course , it was employees getting their children or themselves ready for the school year - paper , pads , pens , pencils , dictionary ' s , etc . I asked the managers to get a handle on it , and of course , it became much harder to obtain these items and people who were not abusers suffered . Eventually , we quit providing most of the items . 085270 00001 arian35 - 09 : 55am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin > 00003 lucky085 2 / 19 / 99 9 : 46am } 00004 *KS will soon be dancing to the jail house rock . } 00005 *In your dreams ! ! ! ! ! ! Your wild , liberal , left-thinking dreams ! ! ! ! Dream on ! ! ! ! Have to leave . ( Awwwww . . . don ' t worry , I ' ll be back ! ) Am losing my battle with bronchitis and am off to see the doctor . God Bless America ! 085271 00001 supkis - 09 : 56am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) > 00002 Bobgray , } 00003 *I hate to reveal reality to you , but you and all those who you love and admire are NOT the objects of massive , expensive ( I know you think $50 Mil is chump change but it ain ' t ) no holds barred probe of our President ' s private life , so we know very little about the Truth of their lies . Namely , everyone even your wife could be lying in your face and you will not know this until someone with enough power and money can dig around and find the truth . This relentless digging is characteristic of police states . America is always in danger of being too intrusive in our private lives . The White House , like any house , is also a private place . If we put spies in every top office of every corperation president , and had these spies listen to all phone calls and tape all encounters and so on , well ! But no chief executive allows this ! Au contraire , they enjoy exceptional privacy ! So grow up and give the people you oppose a break . Fight real issues , instead of this idiotic infantile demonization nonsense that is polluting public life . We are all cads , you are a cad , everyone is a cad , ultimately ! You may be blessedly unaware of being a cad , but trust me , you are , just like me . 085272 00001 chinagirlz1 - 09 : 57am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) > 00002 republicanok } 00003 *If I said I was working , I meant working around the house . I have never posted from work . Period . I am the only person on my shift who has access to a computer , let alone the internet . Anytime you are honest about something , that is not cheating . Funny how right-thinkers think everything is dishonest . Are you posting from work , republicanok ? I seem to remember seeing your name here a lot in the evenings , but never in the morning ! 085273 00001 republicanok - 09 : 59am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *Have things to do and people to see - have a wonderful day . 085274 00001 butler5555 - 10 : 01am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *Starr has been setting up goats from Day One . It wasn ' t he who leaked to the press ; it was one of his guys . It wasn ' t he who interrogated Monica in the hotel ; it was some of his guys . In fact , he never even met her . So , if it hits the fan , he ' ll get no flecks on his starched , white shirt . So-o-o-o-o , here ' s a concept . The new independent counsel calls in Starr ' s lieutenants one-by-one , threatens to call their mothers to a Grand Jury , discusses the possibility their daughters weren ' t legitimately adopted , threatens to indict them , and then . . . and then . . . offers immunity in exchange for their testimony . 085275 00001 12345nlq - 10 : 06am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *Remember , if we were to take a nation wide poll in 1825 ( yes , 1825 not 1925 ) and ask our population their views on slavery , I think you would be very upset . Is it right , is it immoral , is it in-humane , is it good for our society as a whole ? I think the answers will prove to you that our citizens as a whole can be wrong . No matter which side of the fence you sit on concerning our leader and his actions , you need to remember that our nation is ruled by laws , not people of government or by citizens . We the people wrote , and are responsible for the rule of law , their creation , execution , and enforcement . " If you commit a crime , you are guilty . " 085276 00001 republicanok - 10 : 07am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) > 00002 china : } 00003 * " Anytime you are honest about something , that is not cheating " } 00004 *YES , YOUR HONOR I ROBBED THE BANK ! OH , OK , GET ALONG WITH YOU NOW ! Character is how you behave when no one is watching ! 085277 00001 ana200 - 10 : 13am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *For anyone who cares , the USSTRATCOM is clamping down on Full Alert , Whiteman AFB , the home of the B-2 Spearhead of the US Nuclear Attack Force , is on Full Alert ! ! ! Wake up , The Russians and the US are at a strategic showdown over Kosovo . This is dead serious sh*t ! You people had better get your heads out of your butts ! This is the final showdown between East and West , we ' ll all be lucky to live past the weekend ! We are seeing " First World War - the last days before the greatest catastrophe of mankind " , ( read on this page ) , step after step . In the CNN board , any post connecting to nuclear escalation is immediately deleted ( notice the missing message numbers ) . We came now to where the chancellor falsifies and conceals the message of the emperor " Stop bombing Serbia ! " . The White House and most of the western media is falsifying the message from Yeltsin " DON ' T TOUCH KOSOVO " . We are may be living the last 24 hours of humankind . God all mighty save us all ! 085278 00001 yaleman - 10 : 17am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *If , after reading the article in the Wall Street Journal today about the rapist , clinton , there is any one left that does not believe that clinton is a sexual psychopath then God help us all . The man / boy needs help and should step down while he seeks medical treatment . Remember this pschopath has his hand on the nuclear trigger and is not afraid to use it just to save himself ; witness the killings of the workers in the drug aspirin factory in the middle east . . 085279 00001 lucky085 - 10 : 24am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *Maybe KS can plead insanity when he is indicted for witness tampering , perjury , OOJ , and illegal leaks . 085280 00001 sapka - 10 : 26am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) > 00002 arian35 : } 00003 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin > 00004 arian : } 00005 *1 ) Why are you ultraright-wingers always so deeply concerned about " infection " and " decay " , as Hitler was ? ( Is it just the effect of your present bronchitis ? ) 2 ) Who is E . H . Chapin ? Some KKK warrior ? 085281 00001 lucky085 - 10 : 27am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *Maybe KS can plead insanity when he is indicted for witness tampering , perjury , OOJ , and illegal leaks . 085282 00001 ebetts2 - 10 : 38am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *The new independent counsel calls in Starr ' s lieutenants one-by-one , threatens to call their mothers to a Grand Jury , discusses the possibility their daughters weren ' t legitimately adopted , threatens to indict them , and then . . . and then . . . offers immunity in exchange for their testimony ...... I Love It ! ! ! It would be very interesting to have that slime-bucket Jackie Bennet on the stand under oath so he can lie again how he didn ' t know Linda Tripp was on her way to Paula Jone ' s laywers after he coached her . This cockroach needs to be put out of his misery . Or how about that whacked out fruitcake Hickman Ewing who tried to save David Hale from facing the music for his perjury . Can you spell Leavenworth Hick ? And lets not forget the three judge panel which oversees Starr ' s work . One of the judges , Siberman , even called Clinton a threat to the country . Let ' s check out his Puke Pary connections . No need to check this pie faced zealot ' s sex life . The knife slipped when he has his clitorectomy . Let ' s hire the ex partner whom Tom Delay cheated and perjured himself over and have him go in and fumigate the OIC . 085283 00001 butler5555 - 10 : 38am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) } 00002 *The last 24 hours ! What a relief . Those deadlines next week are not so important anymore . I think I ' ll eat something fatty . Can anyone name the movies this is from : " We ' ll meet again , don ' t know where , don ' t know when . . . . " 085284 00001 sapka - 10 : 43am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85306 ) > 00002 lucky085 : } 00003 *Starr can plead insanity , yes . He must have a sexual deviance . Take for example his interest in panties , stained dresses , shoes and socks . 085285 00001 bayamon2000 - 10 : 54am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85305 ) > 00002 ana200 : } 00003 *Aren ' t you being a little too HISTERICAL ? ? Think about this , . . . we have a " very capable " El Presidente , right ? ? ? We don ' t need the military , right ? ? ? We have that clueless old lady " NotSoBright " working on the solution , right ? ? ? ? Sooo , . . . . what is the big deal ? ? ? ? BTW , China now has the technology to join the Nuc crowd , thaks to our " liberal " gutless leader , " Slick Willie ! ! ! 085286 00001 bobgray22 - 10 : 57am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85305 ) > 00002 supkis 2 / 19 / 99 9 : 56am } 00003 *re : " America is always in danger of being too intrusive in our private lives . The White House , like any house , is also a private place . " } 00004 *Wrong , the White House is , an should be a public place . There is a big difference between the government being intrusive on it ' s citizens private lives and the citizens , through their representative agencies investigating corruption in it ' s elected officials . re : " So grow up and give the people you oppose a break . Fight real issues , instead of this idiotic infantile demonization nonsense that is polluting public life . " On the contrary , it is time for you to grow up , and realize that it is in every americans best interest to keep a tight reign on their elected officials . There is no more important issue out there , than the elimination of corruption in government wherever it is found . No demonization , just a realization that power corrupts . re : " We are all cads , you are a cad , everyone is a cad , ultimately ! You may be blessedly unaware of being a cad , but trust me , you are , just like me . " Speak for yourself , I believe in the principle " Above all else , Honor " . 085287 00001 heimbrock - 11 : 11am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85305 ) } 00002 *Crybaby spammer } 00003 *Pretty amazing , talk about rage , whenever your hypocrisy is pointed out you go bonkers and start personally insulting , drag out your strawmen and then try to convince yourself that you are something special . Talk about rage , and the inability to be civil In true Clintonista fashion , when your ignorance is pointed out , you behavior has been that of juvenile . 085288 00001 gregk13 - 11 : 16am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85305 ) } 00002 *good morning folks . 085289 00001 caclark1 - 11 : 18am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85305 ) } 00002 *Starr ' s acceptance of the position of Independent Counsel was itself the earliest indication that all was not right . His prior involvement with the Jones case was irreconcilable to the objectivity needed for the job . Starr knew that and should have done what a man of integrity would not even have to think about doing , voluntarily disqualified himself from consideration . That he didn ' t was an ominous early indication of his imperviousness to the credibility and integrity of the investigation . 085290 00001 donkirk - 11 : 31am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85305 ) } 00002 *Support Julie Hiatt Steele . Go to http : / / www . juliehiattsteele . com > 00003 gregk13 2 / 19 / 99 11 : 16am } 00004 *Good morning , Greg . Glad to see ya . Looks like an interesting political season brewing in the Garden State with Senator Lautenberg ' s announcement that he will retire . It seems Florio , Menendez and Pallone will run against Whitman to replace him . Got any insights ? And Kenneth Winston Starr complains that the Justice Department may not be " impartial " enough to investigate his office . *Tsk tsk* Remember , Judge David Sentelle ( presiding over the three-judge ' Special Division ' ) said that a member of the OPPOSITE political party was a requirement to investigate the President . 085291 00001 donkirk - 11 : 35am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85305 ) } 00002 *Support Julie Hiatt Steele . Go to http : / / www . juliehiattsteele . com The server is ' way too slow . Gonna go for a while . Have a good day , folks . 085292 00001 heimbrock - 11 : 37am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85305 ) } 00002 *What Admiral Crowe says about the root causes of the safety problems of our embassies " Your instincts would tell you that saving lives would strike a sympathetic nerve in the Congress , but that ' s not always true , " he said . " I ' m afraid that Congress will once again put money in front of lives on their priority list . The threat is greater than it has ever been , and token sums of money will suggest that they do not give the threats much credit . " He said that the Office of Management and Budget " has a history of slashing back State " and that the " overall blame " for inadequate security at embassies " should be collectively shared by Congress , State and the OMB . " 085293 00001 gregk13 - 11 : 46am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85305 ) } 00002 *Hey there > 00003 Don K . , } 00004 *RE : " Looks like an interesting political season brewing in the Garden State with Senator Lautenberg ' s announcement that he will retire . It seems Florio , Menendez and Pallone will run against Whitman to replace him . Got any insights ? } 00005 *Whitman would be the favorite if she got through the Repub primary . I ' m not so sure other potential candidates will lie down for her . On the Dem side it ' s really a turkey shoot . I will say that Whitman may not be a shoo-in as folks may think . They love her a hell of a lot better outside the State . There are also two potentially explosive issues that could really damage her bid which will require support from all segments of the population , i . e . , car insurance and the alleged abuse of minorities by the State Police . Re : " And Kenneth Winston Starr complains that the Justice Department may not be " impartial " enough to investigate his office . *Tsk tsk* Remember , Judge David Sentelle ( presiding over the three-judge ' Special Division ' ) said that a member of the OPPOSITE political party was a requirement to investigate the President . " Tsk , tsk to Mr . Starr . ( LOL ) Notice how Mercenary / Mascian / Mascianary gets such joy out of attacking the two of us . I said he would be the biggest sore loser . 085294 00001 macer235 - 11 : 49am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85305 ) > 00002 HEILBrock : } 00003 *Heh , heh , heh , heh . macer235 - 11 : 51am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( §§085295 of 85304 ) > 00004 HEILBrock : } 00005 *Heh , heh , heh , heh , ha , ha , ha . 085296 00001 vrwcarea51e - 11 : 51am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85304 ) } 00002 *Great Week for Flynton . . . . . Yeltsin tells Billy to Stay out of Kosovo . . . Federal Judge is going to Rule on Flynton ' s Contempt of Court Jane Doe #5 Story goes Public in WSJ . Owner oF Sudan Asprin factory proves with American Team of Chemical Specialists that Clinton Lied to the American Public and Deliberately bombed Innocent people . Congressional Hearings reveal the Double Counting and fradulent budget Flynton Proposes . Also reveals Clintons Lies about SSI . Chapter of N . O . W . calls House Managers 13 Brave Men and Calls on the National Leadership of NOW to resign for supporting a Sexual Harasser . And all the left wants to scream about is The OIC . . . . BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! 085297 00001 empeegee - 11 : 52am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85304 ) > 00002 butler5555 } 00003 *We ' ll Meet Again was a big hit ( in England ) during WWII and then became popular again sometime in the 50 ' s , was used in a BBC production about WWII and then made the real big time as the music played as the film Dr . Strangelove faded to the end . What do I win ? 085298 00001 flextransinc - 11 : 53am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85304 ) > 00002 Greg : } 00003 *As a resident of the " Garden State " what ' s you take on Mr . Robert Menendez ? I know the guy and think he would make a great Senator . 085299 00001 ericsandgo - 11 : 59am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85304 ) } 00002 *Never ask questions you would not answer yourself . . . > 00003 bobgray22 - 10 : 57am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( §§085286 of 85294 ) } 00004 *Wrong , the White House is , an should be a public place . There is a big difference between the government being intrusive on it ' s citizens private lives and the citizens , through their representative agencies investigating corruption in it ' s elected officials . } 00005 *Maybe we should seperate the Presidential residence from his office . I think someone who is forced to live so much of this life before the public deserves some privacy . Would you prefer to turn the White House into the Truman Show ? Should we be watching Bill Clinton going to the bathroom , scratching his ba**s , and making love ( ick ! ) to his wife ? Get real , every American deserves some privacy ! 085300 00001 steve66c - 11 : 59am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85304 ) > 00002 caclark1 2 / 19 / 99 11 : 18am } 00003 *Did you feel that way when Judge Starr was investigating Bob Packwood . 085301 00001 sydbloom - 12 : 07pm Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85304 ) } 00002 *It does not matter what Flynton or his cult followers say . He is a proven liar even when under sworn oath to God ad Country . He is a liar and his words have no value whatsoever . Let him say whatever hewants . It is a lie . 085302 00001 teririley - 12 : 10pm Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85304 ) } 00002 *Our government is a progressive instrument for the common good . Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Dole have both evinced roughly equal " interest " in presidential possibilities . Yet I have read , with a certainty that ' s of course impossible to ascertain , that Hillary " lusts for power " -while simultaneously no doubt believing that Mrs . Dole is motivated by kinder , gentler reasons . Maybe the actual situation with Hillary and Elizabeth is exactly reversed . By wanting to believe the worst about those whom we dislike , we get ourselves into situations where our subjectivity is likely to get blown away by objective reality . Remember how the Right duped itself with its own propaganda , telling all the world Bill Clinton was guilty of a massive array of " definite " and unquestionable " crimes " that subsequently melted completely away . . . leaving the impeachment case to rely on weak , relative irrelevancies ? Which the Republicans could pursue only be looking foolish , petty and mean , ultimately doing massive damage to themselves , Jane doe #5 notwithstanding . 085303 00001 caclark1 - 12 : 10pm Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85304 ) > 00002 steve66c } 00003 * " Did you feel that way when Judge Starr was investigating Bob Packwood . " No , but had Starr been tendering his legal services for a fee to a party that was sueing Packwood , I certainly would have . 085304 00001 gregk13 - 12 : 21pm Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( of 85304 ) > 00002 flextransinc - 11 : 53am Feb 19 , 1999 EST ( §§085298 of 85300 ) } 00003 *RE : " Greg : As a resident of the " Garden State " what ' s you take on Mr . Robert Menendez ? I know the guy and think he would make a great Senator . " } 00004 *Don ' t know a lot about him other then what I read in the papers and hear on the TV . He appears to have the intellect , style and qualities to pull it off . Electing a minority statewide in NJ is going to be a tough one . I do think he may have a starting advantage if he can pull the Essex , Hudson and Bergen County folks as a base . Even Union with Elizabeth and Plainfield is possible . I could live with a Senator Menendez . +++ 990225 088526 00001 vrwcarea51g - 09 : 06pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88532 ) } 00002 *My Rifle protects your Freedom ! Even you , Admiral ADA ! I use this identity to foster ill will and disdain for idiotic members of the HVVRWC ( r ) . This identity has succeeded beyond my wildest dreams ! PS : I ' m also Mascian in my spare time ! 088533 00001 dickmorr - 09 : 35pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88697 ) } 00002 *This is to all Senators and all of you out there in Cyberland who condoned the President ' s actions of : adultery , perjury , obstructing justice , tampering with witnesses , and sexual harassment . Are you all now ready to condone the President ' s rape of a woman twenty years ago ? This President is very sick in the head . He is definately not fit for the office of President and this countries chief law enforcement and commander in chief . And you want to know what , I believe that we have just seen the top of the President ' s criminal iceberg . I am sure that some of you sickee ' s will approve of these latest allegations , but as my friends say , our President is one sick son of a gun and must be removed from office . 088534 00001 lucky085 - 09 : 36pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88697 ) } 00002 *intensive care " PS : I ' m also Mascian in my spare time ! " Not even you are this stupid . LOL 088535 00001 saichel - 09 : 36pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88697 ) > 00002 vrwcarea51g 2 / 25 / 99 8 : 56pm } 00003 *I bet you were sad when you heard that your hero , john william king , received the death penalty ! 088536 00001 seawitchst - 09 : 40pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88697 ) } 00002 *this man ( ? ) is a disgrace to the American people , to the White house he occupies , to his friends and family and to the world . yet people don ' t seem to care . Some republicans were brave enough to vote their convictions , others ran scared or made a deal . the democratic party is in the sewer and are like rats defending each other , even tho they know evil exists , and how about the so called womans group ? ? ? what a joke they are . Now we have Hillary hinting of running for office . What a joke this country has become , with common decency and morals gone . We have allowed this man and his wife to drag us all into the sewer with them . gone are the laws of perjury , gone are the laws of political corruption , gone are the laws of criminal activity by politicians . We now have a White House and a political system where anything goes . SHAME ON AMERICA ! ! ! ! ! 088537 00001 lucky085 - 09 : 42pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88697 ) } 00002 *I can ' t believe the nitwit RWers are still on this forum . I thought they all died of " hoof in mouth " disease . 088538 00001 saichel - 09 : 43pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88697 ) > 00002 dickmorr 2 / 25 / 99 9 : 35pm } 00003 *This is too all those rightwinghaters who have been harassing the Clintons alleging everything from murder to rape without one scintilla of evidence : Take a flying leap ! ! ! How about some evidence for 088539 00001 vrwcarea51g - 09 : 43pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88697 ) > 00002 tna1pada3 - 09 : 06pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( #88522 of 88525 ) } 00003 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " } 00004 *I have a confession to make , my alter ego is none other than : 088540 00001 rapist78 - 09 : 46pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88697 ) > 00002 saichel 2 / 25 / 99 9 : 29pm } 00003 *Well ? Did any of you rightwingfoamers figure out how it is that juanita whatever , the latest political prostitute you people dig up from the sewer , attended a fundraiser for Clinton three weeks after being raped ? } 00004 *They ' re probably still trying to fgure out how NBC was able to " check sources " for a month and not come to the conclusion the story was made up . Or maybe they ' re still trying to figure out why three of her friends all gave the same account of the story . Or maybe they ' re still wondering about the records NBC retrieved showing Broderick was " reimbursed " for a nursing seminar in Little Rock on April 25 , 1978 . Or could it be that additional records NBC dug up indicated there was a nursing seminar at that very hotel on April 25 , 1978 has them perplexed ? But , just maybe , the fact that Clinton denies it is enough reason to believe it happened as described by Ms . Broderick . By the way , the prostitute / whore / slut / tramp argument is a tad old . And it doesn ' t say much for your loyalty to disparage Bill ' s women that way , either . 088541 00001 searingtruth - 09 : 50pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88696 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 trajan12 2 / 25 / 99 9 : 35pm } 00004 *Liberal Response : " Who ? Oh , yeah . Uh , probably not . He ' s not a registered Democrat , is he ? Besides , he ' s a soldier . I hate those guys . This one Guardsman took one of my flowers out of his gun barrel back in 1969 and rammed it straight up my butt ! My damn rear-end smelled like a daisy for a week ! Anyhow , I figure if it ' s black AND intelligent , it ' s gotta be the Republican foe ! " } 00005 *Here is a good example of why you should read each and every post in its entirety on this forum . Here is something honestly funny that we all would have missed otherwise ! . All political dispersions aside , thank you Trajan12 . A humor break is good for everyone ! . " My damn rear-end smelled like a daisy for a week ! " 088542 00001 dickmorr - 09 : 53pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88696 ) } vrwcarea51g - 09 : 50pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88546 ) } 00002 *Also to all my former lilly white as the new fallen snow Democratic friends , the Democratic party now stands firmly entrenched as supporters of ; adultery , perjury , obstruction of justice , tampering with witnesses , lying to the American public is fully okay , and now rape is condoned . May you all sleep well at night with your new found ideals ! I am glad to be out of there after a half century of left wing voting . In fact , there are a whole bunch of us old timers that just don ' t buy into the new Clinton Democratic party thing and we are all leaving . The morals and values of the democratic party no longer exist . It is real simple - vote Democratic and you are voting for the support of criminal activity . Tis no wonder that Clinton and China and Russia get along so well together . *My Rifle protects your Freedom ! Even you , Admiral > 00003 ADA ! } 00004 *Help me ! I swallowed republican BS and I can ' t get smart ! 088543 00001 tna1pada3 - 09 : 54pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88696 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " Thanks for contributing to the illusion , lil buddy : 088544 00001 saichel - 09 : 54pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88696 ) } 00002 *I am convinced this server was designed by a rightwinghater . . . . It sucks ! : ) 088545 00001 republicanok - 09 : 54pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88696 ) > 00002 vrwcarea51 : } 00003 *Don ' t forget about the secret meetings on healthcare and lying about who the members of the committee were . } 00004 *Did you have an affair with V . Foster ? Why did your staff remove papers from his office the night of his death ? What were those papers ? What did you do with those papers ? Did you advise your staff to lie to congress about this event ? Why did you advise your husband not to settle the Paula Jones case ? Do you think you were partially responsible for the impeachment of your husband ? Why are you running for senate in NY versus Arkansas ? What do you advise your daughter about men and marriage ? Instead of posing for magazine pictures in the demeanor as First Lady why did you choose to pose as a sex symbol would ? ( I have never seen a First Lady posing lying down before ) Why does Dick Morris hate you ? You have been quoted saying very disgusting words , is this how a First Lady or a Jr . Senator should talk ? Do you believe and will you implement the goals of the Democratic Socialist of America ? Will you divorce Bill Clinton or are you going to inflict him on the poor people of New York State ? Who is financing your campaign ? Are you getting money from China ? Are you getting money from the labor unions ? Are you getting money from the lawyers Association ? saichel - 09 : 55pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( §§088546 of 88696 ) vrwcarea51g 2 / 25 / 99 9 : 43pm WOW ! You ' re really smart ! So why don ' t you answer my question : Why did this tramp attend a fundraiser three weeks after being raped ? How do you explain the fact that she was spreading her legs for two man and neither of them cared enough to take her to the doctor ? As I said : Lady Luck she ' s NOT ! Why doesn ' t her husband remember the fat lip ? Please explain that and don ' t start getting into personalities . 088547 00001 republicanok - 09 : 56pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88696 ) > 00002 saichel : } 00003 *You probably should take it personally , there is nothing wrong with my server> 088548 00001 vrwcarea51g - 09 : 59pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88696 ) > 00002 Ada- re : posts # 88526 } 00003 *Delete the posts you entered under my logon and admit YOU POSTED THEM ! As Judge Judy you should be well aware of Defamation Laws . . . . } 00004 *NYTimes Forum Moderator please see to it that ADA cease and desist his Fraudulent posts in other posters Name Specificly Me . . . . . See Post ( s ) Number 88526 . 088549 00001 jerryhere - 09 : 59pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88696 ) } 00002 *Bill has flaws " I think that Juanita Broaddrick is credible , but I won ' t be completely convinced until the President appears on tv and denies it . " 088550 00001 searingtruth - 10 : 02pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88696 ) } vrwcarea51g - 10 : 01pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88552 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . This is so fun . . . > *My Rifle protects your Freedom ! Even you , Admiral ADA ! Whaaa ! Everybody ' s smarter than meeee ! NYT Moderator ! Stop me before I post again ! Puh-leeze ? 00003 vrwcarea51g 2 / 25 / 99 9 : 43pm } 00004 *For the rest of you out there just look at the post numbers on the above posts ( Funny the all have the same number §§088526 ) Hint : Its a dead givaway of the Forum FRAUD ADA / SEARINGTRUTH / BOBBO at work ! NYT forum moderator- I will not ever complain and have not about the language or personal attacks , but when ADA or Searingtruth or what ever the poster goes by USES My Forum Log on and posts under it I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH it ! Please put a END TO IT ! ADA GET HELP ! } 00005 *Well Mr . Vrwcarea51g , I think you ' re going to continue to have a problem with it . Your main problem is that the NYT administrators are laughing their heads off right now ! . On the other hand , I continue to be flattered that you believe I am more than one . 088551 00001 tna1pada3 - 10 : 03pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " I attempt to throw a tantrum : 088552 00001 yippie7 - 10 : 04pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *Hereeeeeeeeeee We go again ! 088553 00001 republicanok - 10 : 07pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *I showed a picture of Clinton raping Broddrick to Dick Gulphard . He wanted to know why she was trying to choke Clinton with her lip ! 088554 00001 ebersson - 10 : 08pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) > vrwcarea51g - 09 : 16pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88556 ) } 00002 vrwcarea51g 2 / 25 / 99 9 : 59pm } *My Rifle protects your Freedom ! Even you , Admiral ADA ! B I ' m gonna kick and scream and cry ( Whaaaa ! See ! ) unless Admiral Ada removes his name from my tagline ! Count on it ! I Do ( but I have to take my shoes and socks off to di it ) ! 00003 *I have never emailed to the sysop about anybody other than yas but this went too far . tna1pada3 is getting desperate and that ' s a good sign he / she is losing the debate . 088555 00001 joeghowe - 10 : 11pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *I doubt if anyone on this forum has more contempt for Clinton ( as a liar and totally unfit person to be President ) than I do . That said , this Jane Doe #5 story is trash . It might have had some significance 20 years ago if it had been charged and substantiated then . It ' s much too late now . The people and the Senate have told us they don ' t care about Clinton ' s personal life , however sordid it may be . This story , unlike the other scandals , apparently did not involve perjury or obstruction of justice . If I have misunderstood , please correct me . The Senate acted wrongly in acquitting Clinton and have permanently diminished that institution . This Broderick story , however , has no legal or political significance that I can see and is just a waste of time . 088556 00001 trajan12 - 10 : 11pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) > 00002 roger660 - 08 : 56pm Feb 25 , 1999 } 00003 * " trajan12 : Despite all the rhetoric , specifics are lacking . " } 00004 *They ' re never lacking , you just can ' t admit you don ' t have a worthwhile Agenda of your own out there on the Left , so all you have left to do is question the " specifics " , or lack thereof , of our Agenda . You ask me for " specifics " on our Agenda , and here is some of it : - To stop Bill Clinton from RAIDING the Social Security Trust Fund and weakening the Military in order to be able to claim he ' s balancing the Federal Budget . Also , we ' re gonna get down and dirty about it and admit that not EVERYONE currently receiving Social Security NEEDS Social Security . No honest Senior Citizen who has millions could POSSIBLY argue against having his benefits eliminated . If people aren ' t willing to get real about their need for it , Social Security , a PURE entitlement , will be history in about 25 years , so why wait ? Fix it now , no matter how many Grey Panther Millionaires decide to vote Democrat because they ' re cheesed off at us . - To make the MediCare System solvent by scaling back the FRAUD in the system which accounts for BILLIONS of lost MediCare dollars each and over year , and to generally control costs in the HMOs , which YOUR party ' s never concerned about until a few months before the next election cycle . - To give Middle America MEANINGFUL Income Tax relief . Are the Republicans " backpedaling " on the 10 Percent Cut pledge ? Sure , the papers make it clear there ' s some discussion , but once the GOP recovers from this relentless assault they ' ve been under by The Vast Left Wing Media Conspiracy , they ' ll remember that Republicans and HONEST , across the board Tax Relief go hand in hand . Here ' s a question for you , pretzel boy : Since 1965 , how many Tax Cut plans have been sponsored by Liberal Democrats in Congress which were voted on in Congress ? Answer : NOT ONE , hasn ' t happened yet . You ' ve NEVER found the guts to talk about a tax cut ? Why ? Because tax cuts deprive you of money to spend on social programs and vote-buying Ponzis . . . THAT ' S WHY ! It isn ' t OUR money , it ' s YOUR money , AIN ' T IT ! If the American People ever DO get a tax cut , it won ' t be because the Liberals in Congress didn ' t burst appendixes fighting it every step of the way . 088557 00001 searingtruth - 10 : 16pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 dickmorr 2 / 25 / 99 9 : 53pm } 00004 *Also to all my former lilly white as the new fallen snow Democratic friends , the Democratic party now stands firmly entrenched as supporters of ; adultery , perjury , obstruction of justice , tampering with witnesses , lying to the American public is fully okay , and now rape is condoned . May you all sleep well at night with your new found ideals ! I am glad to be out of there after a half century of left wing voting . In fact , there are a whole bunch of us old timers that just don ' t buy into the new Clinton Democratic party thing and we are all leaving . The morals and values of the democratic party no longer exist . It is real simple - vote Democratic and you are voting for the support of criminal activity . Tis no wonder that Clinton and China and Russia get along so well together . } 00005 *Hee hee . The Democratic party stands for the morals of the American people . Remember that pesky old American concept of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law ? . Probably not if you ' re a Republican . Republicans simply believe whatever their church leaders tell them that weekend . It ' s pretty simple , and easy to adhere to . 088558 00001 tna1pada3 - 10 : 20pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " I doing a great job ridiculing myself : 088559 00001 dougeaton - 10 : 20pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 saichel 2 / 25 / 99 9 : 55pm saichel 2 / 25 / 99 9 : 55pm } 00004 *She said she went because she wanted to continue living her life like nothing had happened . She was in denial , trying to pretend nothing happened . This is common behavior among rape victims , or so said Patricia Ireland just now on Larry King . Broaddrick also said she left after 15 minutes when she became physically ill . I know , your disease won ' t allow you to understand that . Check it out . The interview is being re-run right now on CNBC . She ' s crying tears , and I believe they are real tears , unless she was having Lisa Myers poke her in the eye between takes . 088560 00001 trajan12 - 10 : 20pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) > 00002 roger660 - 08 : 56pm Feb 25 , 1999 } 00003 * " To they ' re backpedaling from 10 percent tax cut because public sees it for what it is , a way to cut taxes for the rich . " } 00004 *Oh sure , a " tax cut for the rich " . Every time someone says that horrible " TC " word to you Democrats , you heave and moan and generally turn a weird shade of green . Tax cuts are worse than death to you Democrappers . Please Explain , DETAIL BY DETAIL , how a FLAT CUT in Income Tax , ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL BRACKETS , constitutes a " tax cut for the rich " ? If I also get a 10 Percent cut in my marginal rate , is that NOT a cut ? Is " is " still " is " ? Is " cut " still " cut " . You liberals are really something , something else that is . You ' d chew your own nuts off before EVER saying something nice about tax cuts . I doubt there ' s ever been a pure American liberal anywhere who didn ' t bust out in a Pox just for SAYING the word " taxcut ! " . LOL ! } 00005 * " Republicans are going to realize that " get Clinton " is not a policy no matter how many Juanitas they pull out of the woodwork . " } 00006 *I doubt we had to " pull " her out very hard . Your bunch in the media has been just as enamored with this LATEST First Scandal as we ' ve been . } 00007 * " Eventually , they will have to face the issues . " } 00008 *We ' ll face ' em alright , with courage . Just like we did when we said " shut the damn government down " , and " impeach the SOB " , against the odds and polls alike . We stand on principles . You just stand on fearmongering and fictitious Presidential " job approval " ratings , none of which is even REMOTELY believable . Issues and Liberals are the ultimate oxymoron , you never run on ' em . You just wait for US to talk about ' em , then poo-poo the hell outta those very issues , picking through them like a liberal homeless dude picking through restaurant trash . We say " Save MediCare " , you say " They ' re out to kill Grandma . We say " Save Social Security " , you say " They ' re out to starve Grandma " . We say " Middle Class Taxcut " , you say " A tax break for Bill Gates ! " . We say a strengthened National Defense , you say " Star Wars Part 2 ! " . Like all Con Artists , you ' ll always have a cheap answer for everthing we say and do , no matter what the topic . Talking about " issues " to you libs is wasted breath . 088561 00001 sawyerw - 10 : 21pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *When you find a criminal bum in government , KICK HIM OUT ! Any single one of the accusations might have an uphill battle to gain credibility . The pattern from all of the allegations of sexual assault by Bill Clinton dating back to his Oxford days is clear and reinforces why courts allow such a pattern of behavior to be used as supporting evidence . We have heard Bill Clinton ' s lies about sex , and he has been excused because " everybody lies about sex . " It can probably also be said , for the class of people that sexually assault , " everybody lies about sexual assault . " Genifer Flowers , and Monica Lewinsky--lies about consensual affairs to enable or protect his aquisition of power . Paula Jones , Juanita Broaddrick , Kathleen Willey ( and other Jane Doe ' s ) --assaults that he could use the shield of power to avoid responsibility . Bill Clinton is a psychologically dangerous man and is a dangerous president . A dangerous president makes unwise decisions possibly even subconsciously-- ( e . g . pre-impeachment bombing of quesionable targets ) . Poll driven foreign policy is an accident waiting to happen . I am holding my breath until Clinton is out of office . Let ' s hope we escape disaster during the rest of his term . 088562 00001 ebersson - 10 : 22pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) > 00002 joeghowe 2 / 25 / 99 10 : 11pm } 00003 *If I have misunderstood , please correct me . } 00004 *Take two aspirins and just go to bed . Trying to explain to you would clearly be a total waste of time . Your time as well because you would need to make the effort to understand which would be beyond you . 088563 00001 jerryhere - 10 : 22pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *Bill has flaws > 00003 joeghowe 2 / 25 / 99 10 : 11pm } 00004 *The Senate acted wrongly in acquitting Clinton and have permanently diminished that institution . This Broderick story , however , has no legal or political significance that I can see and is just a waste of time . > 00005 Hogwash : } 00006 *I see you ' re getting your daily WH spin sheet . 088564 00001 republicanok - 10 : 22pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *Dick Morris just said it all on Fox ! " If you are going to be a sexual predator it is best to be pro-choice " ! I have said on the forum for months that the only reason the feminist support Bill Clinton is because of abortion ! It is just pitiful to find it necessary to support a rapist because he supports the killing of unborn babies ! ! ! ! ! ! The is a case of two wrongs making a Democrat . Good night all . All of this makes me sick to my stomach . 088565 00001 vrwcarea51g - 10 : 23pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *Well > 00003 Mr . Vrwcarea51g , } 00004 *I think you ' re going to continue to have a problem with it . Your main problem is that the NYT administrators are laughing their heads off right now ! . Well then evidently you have spoken for the NYTIMES , If that is the case expect to be hearing from alot of People on the NET regarding Your Rags treatment of posters ...... It one thing to attack posters for their political view , its quite another to impersonate a poster ! Im sure Corporate HQ will be glad to hear that ADA speaks for the NYTimes . It is no wonder that hackers crash your server . If you are actually a employee of NYTimes I must say you deserve it @sshole . I will be sure to let them know how funny you think you are . BTW-evidently you showed the whole net community just how smart you were . . . . what 3 full days of down server ! Yeap , Your a real pro ! 088566 00001 yippie7 - 10 : 23pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *Some American people on this forum are so dumb . These dummies keep talking about Clinton accusers ! If the dummies want to help America they should shut their mouths and start thinking about the racism and gun companies murdering innocent people . 088567 00001 d-fendr - 10 : 23pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } Thanks ! d-fendr - 10 : 23pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88571 ) } 00002 *True colors showing tonight , Ada and Searing . Your true colors showing for all to see . You two make Clinton look classy . *True colors showing tonight , > 00003 Ada and > 00004 Searing . } 00005 *Your true colors showing for all to see . You two make Clinton look classy . Kinda reminds you of Lanny Davis , gerkaldo , and Carville all in one eh ? 088568 00001 dougeaton - 10 : 24pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 saichel 2 / 25 / 99 9 : 55pm } 00004 *She said she went because she wanted to continue living her life like nothing had happened . She was in denial , like lots of the people on this forum . This is common behavior for rape victims , or so said Patricia Ireland just now on Larry King . Broaddrick also said she left the rally after 15 minutes when she became physically ill . I know , your disease won ' t allow you to understand that . Check it out . The interview is being re-run right now on CNBC . She ' s crying tears , and I believe they are real tears , unless she was having Lisa Myers poke her in the eye between takes . 088569 00001 sawyerw - 10 : 27pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *When you find a criminal bum in government , KICK HIM OUT ! Any single one of the accusations might have an uphill battle to gain credibility . The pattern from all of the allegations of sexual assault by Bill Clinton dating back to his Oxford days is clear and reinforces why courts allow such a pattern of behavior to be used as supporting evidence . We have heard Bill Clinton ' s lies about sex , and he has been excused because " everybody lies about sex . " It can probably also be said , for the class of people that sexually assault , " everybody lies about sexual assault . " Genifer Flowers , and Monica Lewinsky--lies about consensual affairs to enable or protect his aquisition of power . Paula Jones , Juanita Broaddrick , Kathleen Willey ( and other Jane Doe ' s ) --assaults that he could use the shield of power to avoid responsibility . Bill Clinton is a psychologically dangerous man and is a dangerous president . A dangerous president makes unwise decisions possibly even subconsciously-- ( e . g . pre-impeachment bombing of questionable targets ) . Poll driven foreign policy is an accident waiting to happen . I am holding my breath until Clinton is out of office . Let ' s hope we escape disaster during the rest of his term . 088570 00001 searingtruth - 10 : 30pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 trajan12 2 / 25 / 99 10 : 11pm } 00004 *Here is your main problem my friend . You only represent one third of America . Your party gained power by following your leader ' s advice : } 00005 * " I want to be invisible . I do guerrilla warfare . I paint my face and travel at night . You don ' t know it ' s over until you ' re in a body bag . You don ' t know until election night . " - Ralph Reed , Executive Director , Christian Coalition from Frederick Clarkson ' s , The Christian Coalition : On the Road to Victory , Church and State , January 1992 } 00006 *Gosh , what a wonderful adherence to the American way . Such honesty . Such morality . Hee hee . The jig is up . 088571 00001 sitzkan - 10 : 32pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *It would be nice to see some actual discussion of details here and not just left versus right bickering . I ' ve been an activist Democrat my whole life and I ' m quite troubled by Clinton ' s actions and statements . He is hardly the supporter of proper law and order or righteousness as I would have like to believe . The Juanita Broaddrick story has a lot of credibility and anyone who doesn ' t see that probably hasn ' t looked at it closely . Of all the stories , this is actually the least dismissable . And of course , Clinton ' s actions aren ' t helping . Only flat denials like we ' ve heard a thousand times before and no support with information from the White House for any of the reporting agencies . No counter evidence to show where he was at the time of the alleged rape or witnesses to confirm where *he* was . No statement about why he sent Juanita that very peculiar letter that says " I admire you very much " . No statement about just what it was he and Juanita were talking about in the hall way only weeks before he announced his candidacy from president . Funny , Juanita remembers the conversation in detail . What is Bill ' s account of this conversation which was seen but not heard by others ? Does he " not recall " ? I would just like to ask Mr . President the following : 1 . Where were you on the morning of the alleged attack ? 2 . Why did you send the letter to Juanita that says " I admire you very much " ? 3 . What did you and Juanita talk about in the hall way that day , a conversation that was witnessed by others ? To the other doubters I just want to say , 1 . This is a collaborated story . At least five others have stated that saw her lip , highly swollen , and her best friend found her in the hotel , looking like she ' d just been raped . Question : Why would so many other credible people make up this story ? What is the likelihood that they would be able to make up a story which Clinton can ' t find any proof to deny . After all , an attorney general ' s schedule is well documented . How come Clinton can ' t produce evidence of where he was at the time ? Funny , I would think an attorney general should be able to that . If he had the evidence , doesn ' t it seem reasonable that he would have produced it ? Why would a woman like Mrs . Broaddrick , who appears by all measures to be beyond reproach either make up such a farce ( and convince others to go along ) and also subject her self the kind of monstrous pressure that this must cause ? I ' m just wondering . So many of you seem to dismiss this outright . I wonder if you have really thought this through . It ' s not so obvious to me that this is wrong and I don ' t see the President making my decision on his behalf any better . I ' m seeing in him the same behavior I ' ve seen before . I wonder if people out there think that to believe an accusation against the president is to some how also disagree with his policies or somehow be aligned with right wing republicans . I can ' t think of anything more intellectually shallow . 088572 00001 rtwing1 - 10 : 34pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *Today , WJBlytheClinton , the Presidential Phallus , dusted off another hateful accusation and returned to work for the good of all American people and churlin . The public is weary . People on the Right , like myself , are wound too tightly and obsess over trivial things like rape and perjury , especially when we can ' t stand that Bill does crime so well . A phoenix on the rebound , and ever determined to reshape Mount Rushmore , Bill " the Biter " will live out these remaining months in office , shielded by a phalanx of Beltway attorneys , and act as though nothing detrimental happened prior to and during his time in office . Our flag will suffer for generations . And the band plays on . Meanwhile , the masterful craftmanship of Bill ' s hatchet men are called once again to put a bitter face on another bimb , the generic Clintonhater JD5 . Who to call ? Venomous Carville ? " The Mouth " Estrich ? Will it be the sinister Lanny or a sneering Paul to regurgitate the shocking news : 1 . She was funded by , and tied to , R . Mellon Scaife . 2 . She currently pockets Big Tobacco money . Pushes RJR products on her wards . Smoker . 3 . She has a psychological history , with a brief , secret hospital stay . No records exist . 4 . Her momma was a confused Republican before she died . 5 . Kenneth Starr . 6 . Adulturing sexaholic . Rogue lesbian nurse . 7 . Clinton Hater . 8 . Drives a SUV . 9 . Concealed handgun permit . 10 . Encouraged a neighbor ' s 7 year old kid to play with matches and experiment with cigarettes . Yep . Nail the lid shut on this one . Next week we ' ll be back to the business of exterminating all Republicans , the rodents we are , and ridding the Republic of the policy of personally destrctive partison politics . 088573 00001 dougeaton - 10 : 34pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain Dorothy Rabinowitz , who wrote the WSJ article published last Friday , gave a great answer to a caller on Larry King as to why she didn ' t have Broaddrick take a lie detector test . She said , " I ' m not in law enforcement and I didn ' t happen to have one on me at the time . " 088574 00001 yippie7 - 10 : 36pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *Since all the dummies in this forum hate Clinton so much , then get the hell out of this country ! Go back to your ancestral country ! 088575 00001 searingtruth - 10 : 37pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 sawyerw 2 / 25 / 99 10 : 27pm } 00004 * . . . Any single one of the accusations might have an uphill battle to gain credibility . The pattern from all of the allegations of sexual assault by Bill Clinton dating back to his Oxford days is clear and reinforces why courts allow such a pattern of behavior to be used as supporting evidence . } 00005 *Only one problem . A pattern requires convictions , not endless accusations from the right wing . I know the Republican party can ' t see the difference , but Americans can . Sorry for the reality thing . 088576 00001 tna1pada3 - 10 : 41pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " } 00002 *Blasting pastwards . . . > 00003 adaplant - 12 : 11am Jun 4 , 1998 EST ( #31135 of 57753 ) } 00004 * " You can observe a lot by just watching . " --Berra ' s Law } 00005 *I Love America It is truly the land of Eagles ( plus a few knuckleheads]Home of the Brave ( s & the Sox {both colors} 00006 & the Yankeez ! President William Jefferson Clinton is ( Innocent ) Doing A wonderful Job [of p1ssing off the conservatives] Go Tell It On The Mountains Lump It Most Everybody Is Better Off Today Than They Were Six Years Ago Except Bush Quayle Newt&Co Liberal Dogma ( Down Boy ! Sit . ) No More Whining 088577 00001 ebersson - 10 : 42pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) } 00002 *For you hardened politicos , it is easy to forget simple human emotions . Or to mistakenly attempt to interpret human emotions logically . You keep asking why did she not tell anybody for 21 years . Does it occur to you that this might have remained a secret forever if recent events hadn ' t been so emotional ? If her assailant ' s face weren ' t on TV day after day , maybe she would never have come forward . 088578 00001 vrwcarea51g - 10 : 43pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88695 ) > 00002 ebersson - 10 : 08pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( #88554 of 88569 ) } 00003 *vrwcarea51g 2 / 25 / 99 9 : 59pm } 00004 *I have never emailed to the sysop about anybody other than yas but this went too far . > 00005 tna1pada3 } 00006 *is getting desperate and that ' s a good sign he / she is losing the debate . 088579 00001 bbbbo - 10 : 43pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 *The one thing we ' ve accomplished collectively on this forum , that is , most of us who are capable of consecutive thinking , is that we can at least identify the biggest sh*the*d ever to occupy the White House . And I include both parties of ' this ' house in this assessment . Even the most avid Democrats amongst us must be thinking , " boy , if one more woman comes out of the woodwork . . . " Seeing as much as I ' ve seen already , and hearing as much as I ' ve heard , I feel assured there are dozens of others like Brodderick who have had similar experiences . The only defenders of Clinton left on this forum are the ones who predictably are now behaving like sore losers -- the ones who a few days ago claimed victory while still wiping the muck off their feet . The winners are not the lumpkins who support Clinton . The winners are the ones who see clearly what he represents -- irrespective of their party affiliation . 088580 00001 dougeaton - 10 : 50pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 searingtruth 2 / 25 / 99 10 : 37pm > 00004 Zero truth . } 00005 *No , you are wrong again . In a trial for rape or sexual harassment , a pattern does not require convictions . It requires only witnesses . There is a very serious trial going on right now in the court of public opinion . There are many witnesses and they are establishing a pattern . The conviction , whatever form it may take , comes later . Wow , hey jeez , this is fun , and soooooo easy . 088581 00001 searingtruth - 10 : 51pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 vrwcarea51g 2 / 25 / 99 10 : 23pm } 00004 *Well Mr . Vrwcarea51g , I think you ' re going to continue to have a problem with it . Your main problem is that the NYT administrators are laughing their heads off right now ! . Well then evidently you have spoken for the NYTIMES , If that is the case expect to be hearing from alot of People on the NET regarding Your Rags treatment of posters ...... It one thing to attack posters for their political view , its quite another to impersonate a poster ! Im sure Corporate HQ will be glad to hear that ADA speaks for the NYTimes . It is no wonder that hackers crash your server . If you are actually a employee of NYTimes I must say you deserve it @sshole . I will be sure to let them know how funny you think you are . BTW-evidently you showed the whole net community just how smart you were . . . . what 3 full days of down server ! Yeap , Your a real pro ! } 00005 *Wow . Thank you my friend . 088582 00001 rglisson - 10 : 52pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 *I ' m afraid Clinton ' s going to go into history as the picture over the caption " defining deviancy down . " When rumors of womanizing surfaced , his supporters said he was just attractive to women . When Monica appeared , well , " it was consensual " , even though the radfems had been saying for years that a power imbalance equalled lack of consent . Oh , yeah , Willey wasn ' t consensual , but he stopped when she said " No . " Now it ' s not consensual , and he didn ' t stop . Well , it was a long time ago and the statute has run , and why didn ' t she report it , and she was asking for it , ad nauseam . So the sum total of this sliding scale is . . . what ? And what does it say about the advocates for women ' s rights ? 088583 00001 tna1pada3 - 10 : 52pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " Starr Subpoenas God WASHINGTON , DC ( DPI ) - In a move that Washington insiders have dubbed " Starr Raving Mad " , Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr subpoenaed God today . Starr apparently could not accept that his strongest link between the Clintons and the Whitewater scandal , James McDougal , had " been called to his maker " , so Starr decided to bring this Maker in for impeding his investigation . Despite the fact that McDougal was a Southern Baptist , Starr ' s subpoena covered 1 , 234 , 900 gods from the well known , Buddha and Vishnu , to the more dubious like Elvis , Cindy Crawford and The Guy Who Invented Beer . . . 088584 00001 searingtruth - 11 : 00pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 Zero truth . } 00004 *No , you are wrong again . In a trial for rape or sexual harassment , a pattern does not require convictions . It requires only witnesses . There is a very serious trial going on right now in the court of public opinion . There are many witnesses and they are establishing a pattern . } 00005 *Gosh . Lying from the right wing . I am shocked . } 00006 *The conviction , whatever form it may take , comes later . } 00007 *Eeeek ! . More lying from the right wing . } 00008 *Wow , hey jeez , this is fun , and soooooo easy . } 00009 *Yeah , ain ' t it ? . Tra la la la la la la la la Thank you right wing silly people . 088585 00001 yippie7 - 11 : 00pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) > 00002 ebersson - 10 : 42pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( #88577 of 88579 ) } 00003 *For you hardened politicos , it is easy to forget simple human emotions . Or to mistakenly attempt to interpret human emotions logically . You keep asking why did she not tell anybody for 21 years . Does it occur to you that this might have remained a secret forever if recent events hadn ' t been so emotional ? If her assailant ' s face weren ' t on TV day after day , maybe she would never have come forward . Does it occur to you that because of the right wing republican evles working desparately to get Clinton , that this old seahag is joining the right wing bandwagon just at the right time . Maybe not a right wing republican plan B , or plan C , but maybe plan D or plan sub D to again trying to hurt Bill and his family . Get the Hell out of this country , we don ' t need your kind here ! 088586 00001 rglisson - 11 : 03pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) > 00002 searingtruth , } 00003 *Doug ' s right . The concept of " similar transactions " is very relevant in establishing many crimes , but particularly rape / sexual abuse / child molestation . No conviction for a crime is required in the similar transaction , simply witnesses to establish 1 . the identity of the perpetrator , 2 . the fact that he committed the act , and 3 . that the other act is similar to the crime charged ( in modus operandi , type of act , type of victim , etc . ) so that proof of one tends to establish the other . Previous sexual conduct is considered highly relevant to a charge of rape . 088587 00001 donkirk - 11 : 04pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 *Support Julie Hiatt Steele . Go to http : / / www . juliehiattsteele . com Good evening , everyone . It seems as though we have a pent-up bit of spleen to be vented after the downtime on this Forum . So , vent away ! My turn : Just got back from a Town Meeting with my Congressional representative . A couple of hundred people in the auditorium ; five or six lined up at the microphone on each side of the seats . Some talked about education , economic development , concerns about the environment , foreign policy re : Kosovo and Bosnia and Iraq , veterans ' affairs -- and then , one rabid right-wing diehard Republican who chastised the Congressman about his votes AGAINST the two articles of impeachment . " You voted to let the President get away with perjury and obstruction of justice ! " bellowed this redfaced Repub . " The rule of law doesn ' t mean anything to you ! Why didn ' t the Democrats vote to show their condemnation of Clinton ' s actions ? " " " We tried to bring up a resolution on the House floor to do exactly THAT , sir , " answered the Congressman , " but the Republican leadership would not permit it to be brought up . " And let me tell you something else , sir : I have had more than enough about impeachment . I have studied it from every angle and so have members of my staff . And my votes did not depend on a poll , my votres did not depend on " taking the easy way out . " I was elected to represent the people of this district to the very best of my ability and that ' s what I ' ll do on EVERY vote , regardless of the polls or public pressure . I will give you and every one of my constituents my best efforts . And on this impeachment matter , the FACT is that the charges simply did not arise to the level of impeachable offenses . They were not on the level of treason and bribery . " I ' m sorry you do not agree with my votes , sir , but I would cast them AGAIN tomorrow exactly as I did in December . " With that , the audience broke into loud and prolonged applause . The redfaced diehard Republican turned and walked out of the auditorium . Derisive laughter followed him . 088588 00001 dougeaton - 11 : 05pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain By Frank J . Murray THE WASHINGTON TIMES Juanita Hickey Broaddrick -- " Jane Doe #5 " in the Paula Jones case -charged in an interview televised last night that President Clinton raped her in 1978 when he was attorney general of Arkansas . " I didn ' t want this to happen . He didn ' t listen to me . I told him , ' Please don ' t . ' . . . He was just a vicious , awful person , " she said . " There was no way he could have thought that was consensual , " Mrs . Broaddrick said in a soft but firm voice as she told a story that contradicted claims by Mr . Clinton ' s attorneys that the attack " absolutely " did not occur . " My hatred for him is overwhelming , " said the 56-year-old registered nurse , who cried several times in the interview . She said she did not report the assault sooner because she wouldn ' t be believed , feared retaliation , and worried about discovery of her own extramarital affair at the time . " I was afraid that I would be destroyed like so many of the other women have been , " Mrs . Broaddrick told correspondent Lisa Myers during a 26-minute segment of " Dateline NBC , " distilled from an all-day interview videotaped Jan . 20 . 088589 00001 rglisson - 11 : 06pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) > 00002 searingtruth , } 00003 *Doug ' s right . The concept of " similar transactions " is very relevant in establishing many crimes , but particularly rape / sexual abuse / child molestation . The similar transaction may be before or after the crime charged . No conviction for a crime is required in the similar transaction , simply witnesses to establish 1 . the identity of the perpetrator , 2 . the fact that he committed the act , and 3 . that the other act is similar to the crime charged ( in modus operandi , type of act , type of victim , etc . ) so that proof of one tends to establish the other . Other sexual conduct is considered highly relevant to a charge of rape . 088590 00001 sawyerw - 11 : 06pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 *When you find a criminal bum in government , KICK HIM OUT ! > 00003 searingtruth 2 / 25 / 99 10 : 37pm } 00004 *Only one problem . A pattern requires convictions , not endless accusations from the right wing . I know the Republican party can ' t see the difference , but Americans can . Wrong . Obviously , convictions were not required for the P . J . lawsuit as allowed by the judge . When confronting various offenders , it is not necessary to produce evidence of convictions , but purely testimony to establish behavior that might be either mitigating or damning . ( e . g . violent episodes ( not necessarily convictions ) to establish danger to society ) . Furthermore , we are not in a court of law , but purely in the court of public opinion . All evidence , testimony , and other information is open to be collated to form an opinion . We are not on a jury . Human beings make judgements everyday about whether a babysitter is safe for your children , or whether a potential date is safe . We use our all of our deductive , inductive , and intuitive facilities to make such decisions . The more I find out about Bill Clinton , the clearer it is that he has a problem with his sexual practices and they are related to his power trip . Sorry for the reality thing . Ditto . 088591 00001 trajan12 - 11 : 07pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) > 00002 self-evident-mediocrity - 10 : 30pm Feb 25 , 1999 } 00003 * " trajan12 : Here is your main problem my friend . You only represent one third of America . " } 00004 *About the same as you represent . And now , let ' s see who wins over those fencesitters in 2000 . . . just like it happens in every election . } 00005 * " Your party gained power by following your leader ' s advice " } 00006 *My party gained power because your party couldn ' t keep its hands off other people ' s paychecks . . . simple as that . All the Impeachments , all the exaggerated polls and all the left wing bs in the world won ' t make your party and its tax and spend mentality look good in 2000 . 8 years of this Clintstone crap is enough . } 00007 * " I want to be invisible . I do guerrilla warfare . I paint my face and travel at night . You don ' t know it ' s over until you ' re in a body bag . You don ' t know until election night . " - Ralph Reed , Executive Director , Christian Coalition from Frederick Clarkson ' s , The Christian Coalition : On the Road to Victory , Church and State , January 1992 ? } 00008 *You won ' t get away with any more of this riding the anti-Religious Right gravy train , fella . The public isn ' t goin ' for any of that demonizing the Right bs . And I ' ve seen Ralph Reed on the tube on MANY occasions . A nice , neat , well-shaven Christian intellectual who has become that most frightening of enemies to you pagan pinkos : A sincere Christian who has learned to MASTER the art of media . He goes on the tube all the time , and he NEVER comes across as a wide-eyed rightwing zany . He ' s calm , cool and collected . . . and he ' s making mincemeat outta you libs ON THE FRICKIN ' ISSUES ! You lost the Culture War the minute people stopped raising eyebrows over people like Reed and start raisin ' ' em over your kind instead . 20 more of those Ralph Reed types , and there won ' t BE a Democrat Party anymore . } 00009 * " Gosh , what a wonderful adherence to the American way . Such honesty . Such morality . " } 00010 *I couldn ' t have said it better myself . You libs have got to learn to face up to your moral challenges . . . FINALLY . > 00011 yippie7 - 10 : 36pm Feb 25 , 1999 } 00012 * " Since all the dummies in this forum hate Clinton so much , then get the hell out of this country ! " } 00013 *I ' m still trying to figure out who the hell let YOU back in . Did Canada reinstitute the draft too ? LOL ! > 00014 " syruppy-spew - 10 : 37pm Feb 25 , 1999 } 00015 * " A pattern requires convictions , not endless accusations from the right wing . " } 00016 *A pattern is a pattern , it doesn ' t " require " anything . Our pattern is to keep up the fire on this rat Clinton right up to the day George Bush , Jr . takes the oath . I ' ll be happy to stoke that fire personally . } 00017 * " I know the Republican party can ' t see the difference , but Americans can . " } 00018 *Which ones , the 15 or 20 Percent Clinton hardcores who believe those polls , or the 60 or 70 percent who think the eyes of people like you are a nice deep , smelly shade of bovine brown . 088592 00001 searingtruth - 11 : 11pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 bbbbo 2 / 25 / 99 10 : 43pm } 00004 *The one thing we ' ve accomplished collectively on this forum , that is , most of us who are capable of consecutive thinking , is that we can at least identify the biggest sh*the*d ever to occupy the White House . And I include both parties of ' this ' house in this assessment . Even the most avid Democrats amongst us must be thinking , " boy , if one more woman comes out of the woodwork . . . " } 00005 *Hee hee . Are you kidding ? . We are hoping at least fifty more women " come out of the woodwork " . Nothing could be better for the Democratic party . We beg the Christian Coalition / Republican Party to continue just as they have for the last six years . . . It ' s not only politically beneficial for pluralistic and freedom loving Americans ( most everyone who is not a member of the Republican or Libertarian party ) , but also extremely entertaining ! . 088593 00001 ebersson - 11 : 11pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) > 00002 yippie7 2 / 25 / 99 11 : 00pm } 00003 *trying to hurt Bill and his family . Get the Hell out of this country , we don ' t need your kind here ! } 00004 *Where should I go ? What if someone was to tell you to leave ? Would you ? Are you the old Yippie ? I thought he was more rational . 088594 00001 higrunt - 11 : 12pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 *Well let me see now , the democrats ( same same liberals ) appear to stand for groping , sexual assualting , engaging junior and younger female employees in oral sex and now they also stand for physical abuse and rape of campaign workers . Boy what a political party ! Is this the same party that spoke so harshly of john towers , C . thomas , and Judge bork ? I saw that severe looking Pat Ireland tonight dancing around the rape issue . Hockinberry could not praise her enough . Liberals amuse me with their stick together despite facts and topics . Do liberals lack any ethics , morals and behavorial standards ? Their action speak louder than words . Well I wish to thank the liberals for screwing up- our education system , our ethical behavior standards , bring everything down to a common bottom feeding standard . Thanks a hell of a lot ! 088595 00001 donna1949c - 11 : 12pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88693 ) } 00002 *The U . S . Senate should , at the very least , post signs at every entrance to the White House warning visitors : " BEWARE , A SEXUAL PREDATOR RESIDES HERE AT TAXPAYERS EXPENSE ! " One cannot expect Bill Clinton to do the " honorable thing " and resign because he has no " honor . " Nevertheless , he should be forced to resign before his legacy becomes even more disturbing . Then , he should be tried , convicted , and sentenced to a correctional facility that deals with rapists , sexual harassers , perjurers , and corruptionists . His confinement would not only insure public safety , but it would also be in Bill Clinton ' s best interest : to protect him from himself . The major media has been corrupted into withholding important information from the rest of us " peons " ( taxpayers ) and reports only what has been censored by the Clinton White House . Nobody seems to care anyway . Clinton ' s victims don ' t concern us personally so we don ' t get involved . The once " Great American Society " has become the " spoon-fed , brainwashed , immoral , and complacent society . " Wake up America ! Is it any wonder that history keeps repeating itself ? 088596 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 14pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88691 ) > 00002 donkirk , } 00003 *then you and your district deserve the congressman you have and the president you support . May you have many more of them , may you move to some other state first , maybe you will have quite a different town hall meeting . One where there are at least minimal standards for leadership . 088597 00001 yaleman - 11 : 17pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88691 ) > 00002 ero-truth } 00003 *in noway did I disparage your Mother reread the post if you don ' t believe me . I insulted YOU for bringing your mothers sad passing into this forum and blaming it on the GOP . Instead of blaming others stand up once in your life and be a man . 088598 00001 cypherpunks79 - 11 : 20pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88691 ) } 00002 *Without exception , sadistic serial rapists should have their testicles chopped off . Hillary watched as pedophile Bill raped and sodomized Chelsea 088599 00001 jova99 - 11 : 22pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88691 ) } 00002 *The " sexual McCarthyism " which many Clinton supporters have accused republicans for instigating against Clinton , was actually a witch hunt begun by feminists who targeted men such as Clarence Thomas , Senator Packwood and now with the aid of Larry Flint have started to expose the private lives of current Republican congressmen . In fact the only Democrat who was a victim to this sexual McCarthyism was Bill Clinton . Was the right wing conspiracy responsible for burying the Juanita Brodderick story , until after the impeachment trial ? I resent the supporters of Clinton who feel that any criticism of Clinton comes from the " right wing . " The Village Voice along with other left wing publications have condemned Clinton for his pattern of sexual harassment and his infringement on the freedom of Americans . Clinton ' s supporters even applaud him for bombing Africa , Afghanistan and Iraq . His decision to increase funding for the military and anti-missile defense systems is praised by the same New York Times which derided Ronald Reagan for his " star wars " program . 088600 00001 gzyn1 - 11 : 23pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88691 ) > 00002 searingtruth 2 / 25 / 99 10 : 37pm } 00003 *No conviction is needed . Clinton , himself , admits that what he did was WRONG . He is your leader . You are forced to agree with your leader that what he did was WRONG . 088601 00001 arian35 - 11 : 24pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88691 ) } 00002 * " When private virtue is hazarded on the perilous cast of expediency , the pillars of the republic , however apparent their stability , are infected with decay at the very centre . " --E . H . Chapin It begins in Tucson . With signs . And chanting : TWO . . . FOUR . . . SIX . . . EIGHT HOW MANY WOMEN HAS HE RAPED ? 088602 00001 hugsy - 11 : 24pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88691 ) > 00002 yaleman 2 / 25 / 99 11 : 17pm } 00003 *can you believe how they do that ? who is the party of ' hate ' ? 088603 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 25pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88691 ) } 00002 *We saw what the house democrats version of ' censure ' meant . They introduced a resolution calling Clinton a disgrace to his office . Then they applauded him on the lawn and went inside to share punch and cookies . An impeachment party . They have invested too heavily in him now , he has them trapped , they have to remain blind no matter what . They are like Hillary , trapped into enabling to avoid admitting their own part in his shame . 088604 00001 searingtruth - 11 : 26pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88691 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 trajan12 2 / 25 / 99 11 : 07pm } 00004 *About the same as you represent . And now , let ' s see who wins over those fencesitters in 2000 . . . just like it happens in every election . } 00005 *Wrong . I represent two thirds of America . } 00006 *My party gained power because your party couldn ' t keep its hands off other people ' s paychecks . . . simple as that . All the Impeachments , all the exaggerated polls and all the left wing bs in the world won ' t make your party and its tax and spend mentality look good in 2000 . 8 years of this Clintstone crap is enough . } 00007 *Your party gained power by lying to the American people . Your parties biggest lie was that it was an American party . The Republican party doesn ' t know anything about what it takes to be a part of the American political system . They aren ' t up to it . They are far too immature and primitive . } 00008 *You won ' t get away with any more of this riding the anti-Religious Right gravy train , fella . The public isn ' t goin ' for any of that demonizing the Right bs . } 00009 *Hmm . . is that why the evil Republican parties ratings taste like , and live in , the dirt ? . } 00010 *And I ' ve seen Ralph Reed on the tube on MANY occasions . A nice , neat , well-shaven Christian intellectual who has become that most frightening of enemies to you pagan pinkos : A sincere Christian who has learned to MASTER the art of media . He goes on the tube all the time , and he NEVER comes across as a wide-eyed rightwing zany . He ' s calm , cool and collected . . . and he ' s making mincemeat outta you libs ON THE FRICKIN ' ISSUES ! . You lost the Culture War the minute people stopped raising eyebrows over people like Reed and start raisin ' ' em over your kind instead . 20 more of those Ralph Reed types , and there won ' t BE a Democrat Party anymore . } 00011 *Hee hee . You ' re fun . I hope you will always be able to represent your side before the public . } 00012 *I couldn ' t have said it better myself . You libs have got to learn to face up to your moral challenges . . . FINALLY . } 00013 *Hmmm . . . like your moral challenges } 00014 * " I want you to let a wave of intolerance wash over you . I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you . Yes , hate is good . . . our goal is a Christian nation . We have a biblical duty , we are called by God to conquer this country . We don ' t want equal time . We don ' t want pluralism . " Randall Terry founder of the extremist , anti-abortion group ' Operation Rescue ' in August of ' 93 " You say you ' re supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this , that , and the other thing . Nonsense . I don ' t have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist . I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don ' t have to be nice to them . " Pat Robertson on the January 14 , 1991 edition of his ' The 700 Club ' show : } 00015 *Gosh . I ' m sure all of this is just fine with the " moral " and " American " right wing . 088605 00001 higrunt - 11 : 26pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88689 ) } 00002 *You know what ? I believe that bubba clinton and his hillary deserve each another . I also hope hillary runs for senate in NY . That liberal state deserves that type of lack of morals representation . she would fit in with that other bottom feeder chuckie shumer . I have never seen so many people without morals and ethics before in my entire life . I can still see the federal marshalls taking him out in handcuffs . I would bet he does not go back to arkansas . He is even out of their league . Well little liberal buddies at the ny times this olde cowpoke got togo to the bunkhouse , these boots are killing me . 088606 00001 donkirk - 11 : 27pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88689 ) } 00002 *Support Julie Hiatt Steele . Go to http : / / www . juliehiattsteele . com > 00003 d-fendr 2 / 25 / 99 11 : 14pm } 00004 *Indeed , the residents of my district do deserve the kind of representative we re-elected overwhelmingly in November : a man who served with distinction in Viet Nam and for years performed in an outstanding manner with the U . S . Justice Department . He is a man of integrity and honor -more than I can say for the people who were represented by Newt Gingrinch and who , sadly , are represented by Tom DeLay , James Rogan , Lindsay Graham , Asa Hutchinson , Henry Hyde and their ilk . Thank you for your approbation of a fine man who represents me in Congress . I ' ll pass along your regards when next I see him . 088607 00001 dougeaton - 11 : 32pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88689 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain > 00003 yippie7 2 / 25 / 99 11 : 00pm } 00004 *Get the Hell out of this country , we don ' t need your kind here ! Profound Irony . When I was a long-haired hippie protesting the Vietnam War thirty years ago , I remember fanatical , patriotic elements yelling this at us as we marched : " America , Love it or Leave It . " You just said the same thing . 088608 00001 trajan12 - 11 : 34pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88689 ) > 00002 Shredding-the-truth - 11 : 11pm Feb 25 , 1999 } 00003 * " We are hoping at least fifty more women " come out of the woodwork " . " } 00004 *If that doesn ' t say something about the VERY " average " mentality coming from the Democrap Party . . . the party of Women ' s Rights . There you have it folks , the more sexually abused victims of Bill Clinton , the better his voters like this one like it ! So much for the evil of Sexual Harassment . I guess it ' s only bad if Clarence Thomas is accused of it . } 00005 * " Nothing could be better for the Democratic party . " } 00006 *Ever consider a bullet between your baby browns ? LOL ! } 00007 * " We beg the Christian Coalition / Republican Party to continue just as they have for the last six years " } 00008 *Continue what . . . getting Republican Congresses elected 3 straight times ? Yeah man , I ' m all for that ! ROTFLMAO ! " It ' s not only politically beneficial for pluralistic and freedom loving Americans " Pluralistic ? Hehe . As in . . . plural marriage ? I hear it ' s big in Arkansas . And what kind of Freedom do you hope for . . . freedom to get stoned ? I can ' t think of ANYTHING our parties have in common anymore , not even the Queen ' s English and the meaning of words . " ( most everyone who is not a member of the Republican or Libertarian party ) " What ' s that leave , about 30 Percent of the country ? Damn , I hope getting 70 Percent doesn ' t cost us the election , eh ? ROTFLMAO ! 088609 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 40pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88689 ) > 00002 donkirk 2 / 25 / 99 11 : 27pm } 00003 *Was your rep one of those who wanted to pass a resolution calling Clinton a disgrace ? Or one of those who applauded him after impeachement ? Or both ? Did he wish to censure Clinton , call him a disgrace and then vote to keep this disgrace in office ? Is this his idea of ' not rising to the level ' ? Is this his constituents idea of honesty ? Integrity ? Honor ? Did your rep hide that when he joined congress or just lose it recently in order to support his party ' s leader ? 088610 00001 yippie7 - 11 : 43pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88689 ) } 00002 *Freedom of Speech is the enemy of the right wing republicans ! I guess they can call Clinton all kinds of name and even wish terrible things on the Prez ! Let the world know this is how we treat the President of the United States . Hopefully every people in the world can learn from us and hate their leader as much as the good Christians and the right wing republicans hate Bill ! Who says Christian can ' t HATE ? 088611 00001 dougeaton - 11 : 43pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88689 ) } 00002 *Re public opinion polls : " Ain ' t we got all the fools in town on our side , and ain ' t that a majority in any town ? " Mark Twain I wrote this last night and think it bears re-posting : Anybody notice that today at his press conference , Clinton had a chance to shake his finger at the American public , grit his teeth and say , " I want you to listen to me . I never sexually assaulted that woman , Mrs Broaddrick , not once , ever . Now I ' m gonna go back to work for the American people . . " etc ad nauseum . He was asked if he raped Mrs . Broaddrick and he refused to comment , referring the reporter , Helen Thomas , to the statement of his attorney . In other words , he refused to personally deny on national television that he had raped a woman in 1978 . The point was just made on Chris Matthews program Hardball , that the only thing Clinton denied through his personal attorney , was sexual assault . He did not deny being there or that sexual relations might have occurred . Sounds like a modified limited hangout denial to me . 088612 00001 trajan12 - 11 : 43pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88688 ) > 00002 stars142 - 03 : 07pm Feb 25 , 1999 } 00003 * " First they ( the GOP ! ) want a 10% across the board tax cut and now this . " } 00004 *You mean , now THIS ! OH MY GOD ! A Tax Cut ! Are you kidding ? I can ' t believe the Republicans , or anyone else , would actually have the audacity , the " mean-spiritedness " , the GALL to suggest we let people keep more of their money . I think they need their heads examined . Everyone knows Government spends money more wisely than the people do . Why , just look at Russia , what a wonderful job their Government ' s spending programs did for their economy . . . ROTFLMAO ! On second thought , maybe it ' s YOU who need YOURS examined for thinking tax cuts are such a bad thing . } 00005 * " Every Republican ought to have the national debt tattooed on their heads . " } 00006 *Every Democrat should have a likeness of Mao Tse-Tung BURNED into their asses . . . since he OWNED every frickin ' one of those asses . } 00007 * " But since they have their head up their @ss that ' s all but impossible . " } 00008 *That ain ' t our heads , it ' s your hands . If you ' re looking for my wallet , a-hole , start at the center of my butt , then take a " hard right " ! LOL ! 088613 00001 searingtruth - 11 : 45pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88688 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 yaleman 2 / 25 / 99 11 : 17pm } 00004 *zero-truth in noway did I disparage your Mother reread the post if you don ' t believe me . I insulted YOU for bringing your mothers sad passing into this forum and blaming it on the GOP . Instead of blaming others stand up once in your life and be a man . } 00005 *Gosh . Those right wingers . I guess the fact that I brought my mothers passing into the forum in answer to a Republican poster bringing his fathers passing into the forum is also my fault ? . Somehow , I think the right wing will be able to construe logic that says " yes " . Hee . 088614 00001 trajan12 - 11 : 48pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88688 ) } 00002 *Last week , I decided to head down to ask the average Minneapolis Liberal , in their natural riverfront habitat , a few bottles of Thunderbird in tow for bribery ' s sake , a few questions in order to determine why they ' re so utterly useless to the rest of humanity . As I passed from one homeless encampment to the next , I asked and they responded : Question #1 . Name some things you believe make a truly great President ? Liberal Response : " A unique ability to promote Envy and Warfare between the Classes ; A desire to destroy America ' s War-making ability ; A personal history that makes the Marquis de Sade look like a Saint ; A hatred of unborn babies ; A pain in the butt Socialist First Lady who doesn ' t mind sharing the White House with any one of a thousand young , nubile federal government " interns " , just as long as she gets 8 years of exposure in the press so she can run for the Senate from a state like New York , for example , which she doesn ' t know jack about ; A sincere desire to help Red China drop Scuds all over the Left Coast . . . not that California wouldn ' t be better off with a few less Gerry Brown-type Liberals , of course . . . LOL ! ; A Conservative Republican Party you hate so bad , and makes you feel so rotten , that you can ' t help but vote for the other party , even though it almost certainly means voting for a total scumbag hick from states like , oh let ' s say Arkansas for example . " Question #2 . What do you think about taxes . . . do you favor a cut , or an increase ? Liberal Answer : " Whatever does the the most damage to people who have more money than I do . . . especially rich guys like Bill Gates . . . he probably stole all his money anyway , probably from a Labor Union Trust Fund . " 3 . What do you think about Partial Birth Abortion , aka " Late Term " Abortion ? Liberal Response : " Oh , I don ' t know , I guess whatever it takes just as long as I ' m not late for a Party some night . Besides , there probably isn ' t a God anyway , so what ' s the difference anyway . " Question #4 : Do you support Affirmative Action ? Liberal Response : " Fermented what ? Oh , yeah . . . sorry . Uh well , I guess I don ' t mind , just as long as some more deserving white guy applicant gets stiffed and pays his dues to my long-sufferin ' black ancestors , that ' s the main thing ! Hey , I don ' t know why people worry about underqualified doctors and dentists and stuff anyway . I don ' t see anything wrong with doctors making an occasional mistake on the table anyway , just as long as we all suffer and get stiffed in life equally , that ' s the main thing ! " Question #5 : Would Colin Powell make a good President ? Liberal Response : " Who ? Oh , yeah . Uh , probably not . He ' s not a registered Democrat , is he ? Besides , he ' s a soldier . I hate those guys . This one Guardsman took one of my flowers out of his gun barrel back in 1969 and rammed it straight up my cornhole ! My damn rear-end smelled like a daisy for a week ! Anyhow , I figure if it ' s black AND intelligent , it ' s gotta be the Republican foe ! " 088615 00001 gzyn1 - 11 : 52pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88688 ) > 00002 searingtruth 2 / 25 / 99 11 : 26pm } 00003 *What " pious hypocrisy " ? Clinton , your leader , got on national television and said " What I did was wrong . " The man said that he did evil . Nobody said they were better than Clinton , Instead , Clinton said that he was worse than everbody else . Where is the hypocrisy ? When a man get up and says that he is evil , does that make the man who happens to be standing next to him a hypocrite ? 088616 00001 d-fendr - 11 : 52pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88688 ) > 00002 searing , } 00003 *on this forum , you have shown an incredible lack of empathy for others pain . your request for mercy is particularly ironic . 088617 00001 tna1pada3 - 11 : 54pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88688 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " R . I . P . Barry Goldwater : ``Religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy . They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives . ' ' -- 1981 speech . . . 088618 00001 yippie7 - 11 : 54pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88688 ) } 00002 *If you dummies out there did not rape and some stupid reporter asked you if you did ? Just deny it , you don ' t need to volunteer anything further . d-fendr - 11 : 54pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( §§088619 of 88687 ) for those who defend Clinton ' s crimes , the only way to not be called a hypocrite is to have no values at all . 088620 00001 quinnnn - 11 : 59pm Feb 25 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) } 00002 *I just saw the Broaddrick interview . She is not lying , she was raped . She was raped 21 years ago by a man that is now the President of the United States . What are we as Americans going to do about this ? This man ' s wife , Hillary , she is considering running for a public office in New York ? Does anybody get how sick this all is ? And it is true ! +++ 990226 088621 00001 ebersson - 12 : 02am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) > 00002 yippie7 2 / 25 / 99 11 : 43pm } 00003 *Freedom of Speech is the enemy of the right wing republicans ! I guess they can call Clinton all kinds of name and even wish terrible things on the Prez ! the good Christians and the right wing republicans hate Bill ! } 00004 *Let ' s have as much genuine freedom of speech as possible . I ' m not a Republican nor do I fear freedom of speech . Do you fear freedom of speech ? What kinds of names ? KKK ? Nazis ? Haters ? Sorry , I haven ' t heard that coming from conservatives . Suggesting he resign perhaps . Is resigning the terrible thing you are talking about ? Why Christians ? Why is religion the issue ? Are people to adjust their views in America based on their religion ( or race or nationality or etc . ) ? 088622 00001 garyg4ess - 12 : 03am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) } 00002 *I think the whole Nation has gone insane . Right is wrong and Wrong is right . Theres no personal outrage about almost anything thats done . Where is the Morality of our Nation ? 088623 00001 d-fendr - 12 : 03am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) > 00002 Yippie , } 00003 *When you vehemently lie to the whole world for seven months and only ' fess up when you ' re caught red-handed , no one believes you anymore . and when a credible person accuses you of rape , denial won ' t do anymore . No one believes you . and when you offer no defense , when you have no evidence you were not there , nothing but silence , people will believe her . and rightfully so . He has been shown to have no control over his passions , no respect for women , no decency and a great willingness to lie to his family , his staff and his country to cover up his shameful actions . You wonder why people don ' t believe his denial , you wonder why people believe Juanita and think he raped her ? Maybe another president would get some benefit of the doubt . But Clinton has used his all up . Long ago . 088624 00001 gzyn1 - 12 : 06am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) } 00002 *Clinton is a perfect example of " pious hypocrisy " . He knows that what he did was wrong but goes to Church every Sunday , brandishing a Bible . But , he lies and he shakes his finger into the TV camera . He lies , and lies and lies . Clinton puts on the pretense of being holier than Monica . Clinton is the minister straight out of the Scarlet Letter . Clinton is the hypocrite . He did the same thing with Jenifer Flowers . He pretended that didn ' t happen too . 088625 00001 searingtruth - 12 : 06am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 trajan12 2 / 25 / 99 11 : 34pm } 00004 *Shredding-the-truth - 11 : 11pm Feb 25 , 1999 If that doesn ' t say something about the VERY " average " mentality coming from the Democrap Party . . . the party of Women ' s Rights . There you have it folks , the more sexually abused victims of Bill Clinton , the better his voters like this one like it ! So much for the evil of Sexual Harassment . I guess it ' s only bad if Clarence Thomas is accused of it . } 00005 *Hee hee . It just shows that the American people don ' t believe anything the Republican party says anymore . We do think they ' re darn funny though . . . } 00006 *Ever consider a bullet between your baby browns ? LOL ! } 00007 *Watch it , I want you to continue representing your side . Threatening people with bullets between their eyes is a no no . . . } 00008 *Continue what . . . getting Republican Congresses elected 3 straight times ? Yeah man , I ' m all for that ! ROTFLMAO ! } 00009 *Well , they did help get them elected the first time . By lying to the American people and saying they were moderate , the Republican party did sweep into power with the support of their core one third of the American people , and a significant majority of the moderates . However , the core of the Republican party then immediately began repulsing everyone except for their own constituency . This is why the Republican party has consistently lost seats since gaining power , ejected Newt the Silly , and are frantically trying to remold their image before the next elections . They ' ll never make it . This forum proves that . Thank goodness for the silliness of the right wing . } 00010 *Pluralistic ? Hehe . As in . . . plural marriage ? I hear it ' s big in Arkansas . And what kind of Freedom do you hope for . . . freedom to get stoned ? I can ' t think of ANYTHING our parties have in common anymore , not even the Queen ' s English and the meaning of words . } 00011 *I agree . We are Americans , the Republican party is un-American . They even threaten their opponents with death . } 00012 *What ' s that leave , about 30 Percent of the country ? Damn , I hope getting 70 Percent doesn ' t cost us the election , eh ? ROTFLMAO ! } 00013 *Yeah , who cares about that silly old democracy stuff . Thanks for your honesty . 088626 00001 de_nile2 - 12 : 16am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) } 00002 *TENNESSEE still Number 1 ! webinWebX Nope , denial is not going to help him anymore . 088627 00001 yaleman - 12 : 16am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) > 00002 zero-truth } 00003 *don ' t give us anymore of your bs . A poster said that he did not remember the date of his father ' s death even though it was a most terrible day ; he said that in reference to your bs about Mrs . Broaddrick not remembering the date that clinton raped her ( so of course by your logic he did not rape her ) . You said in a most insuilting manner to all that your mother died becasue Republicans denied her proper health care . You brought your mother into a debate about the rape of a woman by clinton . No on else did . A very poor analogy and a very thoughtless charge . 088628 00001 powerside1 - 12 : 17am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) } 00002 * " This country cannot afford to be materially rich and spiritually poor . . . . It reminds us of the importance of family . . and the duty we owe to each other . . . . let us all pledge by our devotion to God and family " WILLIAM " PSYCHO BILL " CLINTON , 10-30-96 I BELIEVE JUANITA From TEACHING ABOUT VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN , some recommended reading for Clinton apologists : Madigan , Lee and Nancy C . Gamble . The Second Rape : Society ' s Continued Betrayal of the Victim . New York : Lexington Books , 1989 . Madigan and Gamble are interested in exposing what they feel is a second rape in our society that begins the moment a woman decides to " tell . " " The second rape is the act of violation , alienation and disparagement a survivor receives when she turns to others for help and support . " ( Madigan and Gamble , p . S ) The book gives a brief history of rap and rape attitudes , then moves on to testimonies of survivors and their experiences within the " system . " The second half of the book focuses on the second rapists and shows , very candidly , the attitudes of these so called helpers to the victims . This book is fitting for Colloquy because of its ability to put the reader in the shoes of the victim and exemplify the horrors that a woman who has been raped has to face if she wants to seek justice or help . I highly recommend this book for both faculty and student use . --> 088629 00001 yaleman - 12 : 19am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) > 00002 zero-truth } 00003 *don ' t give us anymore of your bs . A poster said that he did not remember the date of his father ' s death even though it was a most terrible day ; he said that in reference to your bs about Mrs . Broaddrick not remembering the date that clinton raped her ( so of course by your logic he did not rape her ) . You said in a most insuilting manner to all that your mother died becasue Republicans denied her proper health care . You brought your mother into a debate about the rape of a woman by clinton . No on else did . A very poor analogy and a very thoughtless charge . You may think this all a big joke I assure you it is not funny at all . The man raped her . 85% of people who watched that show believed her . This is the man who has his finger on the nuclear trigger and he is a rapist . God help us all . 088630 00001 searingtruth - 12 : 20am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 ebersson 2 / 26 / 99 12 : 02am } 00004 *Let ' s have as much genuine freedom of speech as possible . I ' m not a Republican nor do I fear freedom of speech . Do you fear freedom of speech ? What kinds of names ? KKK ? Nazis ? Haters ? Sorry , I haven ' t heard that coming from conservatives . Suggesting he resign perhaps . Is resigning the terrible thing you are talking about ? Why Christians ? Why is religion the issue ? Are people to adjust their views in America based on their religion ( or race or nationality or etc . ) ? } 00005 *Oh , I guess you haven ' t heard . The Christian Coalition / Republican party has been lying to America and committing criminal acts to gain power so they can replace our pluralistic democracy with a petty totalitarian theocracy . Here are some of their thoughts : " I want to be invisible . I do guerrilla warfare . I paint my face and travel at night . You don ' t know it ' s over until you ' re in a body bag . You don ' t know until election night . " - Ralph Reed , Executive Director , Christian Coalition from Frederick Clarkson ' s , The Christian Coalition : On the Road to Victory , Church and State , January 1992 " You say you ' re supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this , that , and the other thing . Nonsense . I don ' t have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist . I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don ' t have to be nice to them . " Pat Robertson on the January 14 , 1991 edition of his ' The 700 Club ' show : " I want you to let a wave of intolerance wash over you . I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you . Yes , hate is good . . . our goal is a Christian nation . We have a biblical duty , we are called by God to conquer this country . We don ' t want equal time . We don ' t want pluralism . " - Randall Terry founder of the extremist , anti-abortion group ' Operation Rescue ' in August of ' 93 " I hope I live to see the day when . . . we don ' t have any public schools . The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them . What a happy day that will be ! " - Jerry Falwell Ah , what lovely American statements . 088631 00001 searingtruth - 12 : 24am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88687 ) } 00002 *The Republican party stands bare naked before the world , its pious hypocrisy and disdain for democracy dripping from its tongue . > 00003 yaleman 2 / 26 / 99 12 : 19am } 00004 *zero-truth don ' t give us anymore of your bs . A poster said that he did not remember the date of his father ' s death even though it was a most terrible day ; he said that in reference to your bs about Mrs . Broaddrick not remembering the date that clinton raped her ( so of course by your logic he did not rape her ) . You said in a most insuilting manner to all that your mother died becasue Republicans denied her proper health care . You brought your mother into a debate about the rape of a woman by clinton . No on else did . A very poor analogy and a very thoughtless charge . You may think this all a big joke I assure you it is not funny at all . The man raped her . 85% of people who watched that show believed her . This is the man who has his finger on the nuclear trigger and he is a rapist . God help us all . } 00005 *The right wing is sooooo silly . 088632 00001 yippie7 - 12 : 24am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) } 00002 *Twenty months ago , after more than a decade on public assistance , Ann McGinniss transformed herself from a welfare mother into a working mother . She now follows the rhythms of suburban parenthood , rising before dawn to prepare her daughter and son for school , then driving from her home in Peekskill , N . Y . , to her bookkeeping job at a nearby car dealership . Her income -- $290 a week , take home -- means she is doing too well to qualify for food stamps . Yet after rent , car payments , insurance and utilities , she says , she has almost no cash left for food . So almost every weekend , she reverts to a ritual of poverty . She enlists her 12-year-old son to help her lug bags of groceries gleaned from food pantries in the basements of churches in their community 30 miles north of New York City . The freaking republicans are always scheming for themselves ! What will a 10% tax cut do for her family ? A 10% tax cut for the republican is like robbing from the poor ! You blood suckers are always scheming ! P . S . That Jane Doe #5 is part of the circus ! 088633 00001 d-fendr - 12 : 27am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) > 00002 searing , } 00003 *You have your evil enemy , the Christian Right , who have strong religious views and wish to gain political power . And you have a rapist in the White House , your honored leader . Which are you most concerned about ? Can you say , " absurd sense of priorities " ? 088634 00001 yippie7 - 12 : 30am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) } 00002 *You Clinton haters believe anything a jane doe would say ! You guys probably never have gotten laid before ! You guys are a bunch of celibate christian porno jerks ! 088635 00001 ebersson - 12 : 40am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) > 00002 searingtruth 2 / 26 / 99 12 : 20am } 00003 *My only response is intolerance comes in all shapes and sizes . But this is a forum concerned with the impeachment aftermath . So let ' s get back onto that . 088636 00001 d-fendr - 12 : 41am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) > 00002 Yippie , yippie7 2 / 26 / 99 12 : 24am } 00003 *What does a tax cut have to do with that woman ? Have you ever lived in poverty ? If you feel so strongly , then help that poor woman . Help other poor people . Do it yourself instead of blaming others for it not being done . Quit telling others to do what you should do . Quit spending other people ' s earnings on your guilt . Quit thinking government is responsible for enforcing your morality . 088637 00001 gzyn1 - 01 : 04am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) > 00002 yippie7 2 / 26 / 99 12 : 24am } 00003 *The goverment never made a dime . The government must take money from people in the form of taxes . That money isn ' t the government ' s money , it ' s the people ' s money . It ' s the liberals that are always scheming to take money away from the people . I ' m sure Ann could use her $29 a week . That ' s $1 , 508 a year . It ' s HER money . The liberals want to send that $29 to Washington and create a city of gold . The liberals want to create a thousand useless programs , hire thousands of burecrats , and pay millions to consultants . Poor Ann will be lucky if she gets $2 back . 088638 00001 mrbulge - 01 : 04am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) } 00002 *Someone asked me " Why did Juanita Broderick wait until now to release her story ? " " Simple " , I replied , " It was her turn . " This whole thing is beginning to resemble a baseball game . It ' s just one pitch after another . As soon as the ump makes his call , the pitcher winds up and let ' s another one fly . Bill keeps whacking them out of the park . Mighty Casey . . . who ' s he ? How about this perspective . . . we have to wait to put Bill on trial for felony charges but civil cases are just too important to wait so we let them proceed . Next we will see poor poor Juanita crying on the witness stand at her civil case against Bill . You can bet your bottom dollar they won ' t make her wait until he leaves office either . Play ball ! ! 088639 00001 juniorjunior1 - 01 : 07am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) } 00002 *Either We All Have Freedom Of Speech Or None Of Us Have It ! ! ! ! I guess only guilt-free hypocritical Liberalists are allowed to have personal opinions . I think the people who obsess over the Ralph Reed`s and Jerry Falwell`s of the World need to get a life ! They [Reed & Falwell , and even their detractors] are Constitutionally protected in stating their opinions , there is no Constitutional requirement they match the view ( s ) of everyone here or elsewhere in the World . 088640 00001 yippie7 - 01 : 07am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) > 00002 d-fendr - 12 : 41am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( #88636 of 88636 ) } 00003 *Yippie , yippie7 2 / 26 / 99 12 : 24am What does a tax cut have to do with that woman ? Have you ever lived in poverty ? If you feel so strongly , then help that poor woman . Help other poor people . Do it yourself instead of blaming others for it not being done . Quit telling others to do what you should do . Quit spending other people ' s earnings on your guilt . Quit thinking government is responsible for enforcing your morality . You don ' t make any sense ! When was it that you care about the Poor ? I care about the poor and I know that the republicans and your kind believe everything from the republican branch of " the government " on care about the 10% cross the board tax cut . Will it benefit the poor as much as it will the republicans ? Do the math and quit being a dumbo defender . 088641 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 18am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 bobbo52 2 / 25 / 99 6 : 22pm } 00004 *Don ' t read the likes of the American Spectator and Salon , bobbo . Anyhow this isn ' t a right-wing story . WSJ , New York Times , Wash Post , NBC - in fact I ' m watching the NBC tape right now . I believe the President is sexual predator and that he raped Juanita Hickey in 1978 . 088642 00001 gzyn1 - 01 : 19am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) > 00002 yippie7 2 / 26 / 99 12 : 30am } 00003 *That ' s dumbiest idea tonight . If Christians were celebite , then where do all those little Christian babies come from ? Christians have plenty of fun in the sack . But it ' s usually in a bed and with their wife . Not like Clinton . I never heard anyone that was as sick as Clinton . He sits in a nearly empty federal office building on a Saturday night . His pants down around his ankles and fondling himself . He calls a young blushing giggling intern and does himself . Never heard of anyone that sick . 088643 00001 yippie7 - 01 : 22am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) } 00002 *In Tapes , Nixon Talks of Plans for Foreign Embassy Break-Ins By TIM WEINER ASHINGTON -- Newly released transcripts of secretly recorded White House tapes show President Richard M . Nixon brainstorming about blaming President John F . Kennedy for the murder of South Vietnam ' s leader , discussing plans to break into foreign embassies and saying he and his aides would have been " out of our minds " not to spy o This is your leader , stupid ! 088644 00001 yippie7 - 01 : 25am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) > 00002 gzyn1 - 01 : 19am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( #88642 of 88643 ) } 00003 *yippie7 2 / 26 / 99 12 : 30am That ' s dumbiest idea tonight . If Christians were celebite , then where do all those little Christian babies come from ? Christians have plenty of fun in the sack . But it ' s usually in a bed and with their wife . } 00004 *LOL , USUALLY ! 088645 00001 jblob - 01 : 26am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) } 00002 *CHANGING ORVER TO COMMUNISM : UNDER PRESIDENT CLINTON WE HAVE MADE MORE LAWS INTO FELONYS TAKING OUR WRIGHT TO VOTE AND OUR WRIGHT TO OWN A WEAPON , THEN YOU ALLOW DRUGS TO COME INTO THE COUNTRY TO STUPIFY EVERYONE INTO NOT CAREING ABOUT ANYTHING BUT WERE THERE NEXT ROCK IS COMEING FROM , THEN YOU FEDERALIZE MORE CRIMES ALLOWING FOR MORE FEDERAL POLICE , THEN YOU OPEN THE FLOOD GATES FOR ILLEGAL IMAGRANTS CAUSING CONFUSION AMONG THE CITEZENS , THEN YOU DOWNSIZE THE MILITARY SINCE THEY ARE MOSTLY CONCERVATIVE , THEN YOU CREATE A SEX SCANDLE TO DISTRACT FROM THE SALES OF MISSLE TECHNOLIGY TO A COMMUNIST COUNTRY FOR WHOM YOU WORK FOR , THEN YOU HOLD NINE HUNDRED F . B . I . FILES ORVER THE HEADS OF ANYONE WHO DARE COME CLOSE , AND NOW THAT THE IMPEACHMENT WAS A BLACKMAILED FAILER DICTATOR CLINTON COULD RAPE CHELSEY LIVE ON PAY PER VIEW AND NOT A SINGLE PERSON WOULD HAVE THE GUTS TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT . 088646 00001 gzyn1 - 01 : 38am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) > 00002 yippie7 2 / 26 / 99 1 : 07am } 00003 *Liberals always TALK about helping the poor , but what they want to do is take more money away from them . You do the math . Take a guy making a million a year . Living on $900 , 000 a year ain ' t going to kill him . The millionaire may hate paying more taxes , but he can shrug it off . But to Ann , $1 , 508 a year extra IS a lot of money . If you were ever poor , then you would know that every dime counts . 088647 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 38am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) Hillary Clinton went into a pet shop and found a beautiful , colorful parrot . " Does this parrot talk ? " she asked . " Yes , he does , " the manager told her . " But why is this one only $50 . 00 and all the others are $500 . 00 ? " she asked . " Well , ma ' am , " the manager told her , " not everyone would want to own this parrot . He spent many years in a whorehouse and his language is terrible . " " Well , I want him , " she said . " Suit yourself , " the manager shrugged . When she got the parrot back to the White House , she uncovered his cage and admired the colorful bird . The parrot tilted his head to one side , looked her straight in the eye and said , " New house , new madam . " Hillary laughed . Soon Chelsea and a friend came in and began admiring the bird . " New house , new whores , " the parrot observed . At first , they were offended , but when Hillary explained about the bird ' s history , they too , laughed at him . A few minutes later the President entered the living quarters . The parrot looked up from his feeder and said " Hi Bill . " 088648 00001 d-fendr - 01 : 38am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) } 00002 *In answer to why Juanita didn ' t report her rape : " Denise Snyder , executive director of the D . C . Rape Crisis Center , said she ' s concerned that some people are raising questions about Mrs . Broaddrick ' s credibility , because of her " delay in coming forward " with the charges against Mr . Clinton . In fact , such delays are " quite normative when the assailant has a lot of power and a high public profile , " " Society often assumes a sexual assault survivor is lying , " and a victim may fear she ' ll be blamed or suffer retaliation if she brings charges , Ms . Snyder said . If this occurs in the Broaddrick case , she said , " It will be fodder for the cannon aimed at sexual assault survivors " and could prompt other women to keep such incidents secret . " It ' s almost like high-profile assailants recieve a ' get out of jail ' card , because women have high levels of anxiety and apprehension " about reporting their abuse , Ms . Snyder said . 088649 00001 zimtoons1 - 01 : 39am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) } 00002 *Democrats create dependency with big brother programs which sap the creative spirit from people who might otherwise provide for themselves . Tax cuts do help everyone as they provide for a more robust economy . Those who lack fundamental knowledge of economics do not understand this . They WANT to be taken care of because deep down they don ' t believe that they can make it on their own . 088650 00001 d-fendr - 01 : 40am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) } 00002 *Here ' s hoping Clinton ' s get outa jail cards are all used up . 088651 00001 hugsy - 01 : 40am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88686 ) > 00002 collioure1 2 / 26 / 99 1 : 18am } 00003 *Hey collioure , Didn ' t kendall say that any allegations that BC sexually assualted anyone more than 21 years ago is absolutely false ? I understand that the alleged rape occured in April of 1978 . Now , isn ' t that , at least for another month , less than 21 years ago ? 088652 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 42am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 d-fendr 2 / 26 / 99 1 : 38am } 00004 *Never fear . Gloria Steinem ' s one free rape rule is just an issue away . And Patricia Ireland is warning the White House not to trash Juanita Broaddrick ( it was OK to trash Paula , Monica , Kathleen , Gennifer . . . ) 088653 00001 d-fendr - 01 : 43am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Kendall can only know what Bill told him , and we know how truthful Bill is with his lawyers , aides , staff , cabinet , nation . . . 088654 00001 zimtoons1 - 01 : 43am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Clintonspeak : It depends on what the definition of " rape " is . 088655 00001 zimtoons1 - 01 : 44am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Clintonspeak : " She raped me , I didn ' t rape her " 088656 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 44am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 hugsy 2 / 26 / 99 1 : 40am } 00004 *No , he said 20 years . I ' m emailing my Congresswoman and Senators . , The Democrat Party nominated and we elected a rapist . Information we voters should have had was hushed up . 088657 00001 gzyn1 - 01 : 47am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) > 00002 yippie7 2 / 26 / 99 1 : 25am } 00003 *Christians do it . . . On the rug with a bottle of wine . Or in the moonlight in a meadow . In a sailboat , with the water lapping at the hull . In a ski cabin , in front of the fire . Not like Clinton . In a federal office building or a hotel room . 088658 00001 d-fendr - 01 : 48am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Yep , > 00003 Collioure , } 00004 *that Patricia is tough and enough is enough , she ' s not gonna defend Bill no more . Now , he just needs to get back to work and promote more bills for women ' s protection . I can hear him now , a great speech on respect for women , decency , responsibility , family . Yeah . Well , maybe he could try a press conference first , answer a few questions . . Nah . Ok , maybe a handwritten note on stopping crimes against women . . nope . . ok , maybe he could tell how much he ' honors ' Hillary again . . nah . . well , ok . . two more years of public fundraisers . . . er , nope , pickets . . ok . . two years of private fundraisers announced at the last minute . . 088659 00001 juniorjunior1 - 01 : 48am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Either We All Have Freedom Of Speech Or None Of Us Have It ! ! ! ! Actually , I believe Clinton [via Kendall`s mouth] in that he did not assault Juanita Broaddrick 20+ years ago [she was Juanita " Hickey " then ! ] . Remember , it`s how you define " is " and other things with King Bill . 088660 00001 hugsy - 01 : 51am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) > 00002 zimtoons1 2 / 26 / 99 1 : 44am } 00003 *LOL , good one . Put alleged where ever you see fit in this post , I am tired of writing it . Yeah , I wonder what the word parsing could be here . Kendall said he didn ' t ' sexually assault ' her . Maybe he figures the lip biting wasn ' t sexual , ie , designed to sexually gratify , so the assualt was actually just physical . After biting her into submission , the sex was consensual . therefor , no ' sexual assault ' . What do you think ? 088661 00001 zimtoons1 - 01 : 54am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Look , give the president a break . Democrats can lie ; perjure themselves ; be charged by various women from groping to rape and its allright . But if your Clarence Thomas and are accused of talking dirty , then you have female congresspersons marching up the Capital steps and protesting this assault on women . The media than interviews scores of feminists who are on every outlet charging Judge Thomas with everything in the book for ( supposedly ) talking dirty . 088662 00001 hugsy - 01 : 56am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *We know that Clinton considers ' sex ' to mean only intercourse , therefore , all the grabbing , biting , pushing , restraining , was just plain old assault . The sex that occured after submission / adequate restraint was just sex . Therefore , no sexual assault . 088663 00001 tna1pada3 - 01 : 57am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " " It ' s like deja vu all over again . " > 00003 adaplant - 10 : 48am May 28 , 1998 EST ( #26864 of 57753 ) } 00004 * " You can observe a lot by just watching . " --Berra ' s Law I don ' t advocate overlooking criminal wrongdoing . I insist upon proof before judgement . I don ' t expect the brainless to understand . } 00005 *The burden of proof , even in public discourse , has not been met unless one assumes the literal , unvarnished , unembellished accuracy of the story . Even within the airy spaces of ' get-Clinton ' mobsters ' heads , where cogitation would take place were the room furnished with the necessities , some rudimentary discriminatory function must exist , perhaps if only in some nascent , inchoate , unawakened area of the hypothalamus , sufficient to discern the absence of any shred of proof beyond the word of the former Mrs . Hickey . Luckily for the nation ' get-Clinton ' mobsters ' obsession with leveling every reckless , unsubstantiated charge imaginable against President Clinton to inflict political and personal damage is now scorched into mind inseparably from the word " republican " . A public service at great expense for which a toll must be paid . 088664 00001 d-fendr - 01 : 58am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Tale of Three Women Capitol Hill Blue 25 Feb . 1999 Doug Thompson Publisher , Capitol Hill Blue Three women who earlier confirmed unwanted sexual encounters with Bill Clinton over the last 30 years are now refusing to discuss the matter further and at least one may have been threatened in an effort to keep her quiet . " I ' m sorry I ever talked to you about this . Please don ' t call again , " a teary Carolyn Moffet told Capitol Hill Blue Tuesday night . An acquaintance said the former Miss Moffet had been threatened by an anonymous caller earlier in the day . Moffet , a former Little Rock legal secretary who said Clinton tried to force her to perform oral sex on him after a political fundraiser in 1978 , was the third woman Tuesday to back away from further public discussion of their experiences with Clinton . In London , Eileen Wellstone , who said Clinton sexually assaulted her while he was a student at Oxford University 30 years ago , changed her phone number and hired a barrister who warned a reporter to " cease and desist all further efforts " to contact his client . A third woman , Sandra Allen James , who worked as a Democratic fundraiser in 1991 when she said then-Presidential candidate Bill Clinton accosted her in his hotel room and tried to force her into sex , hung up the phone after saying she had received unwanted phone calls from other news organizations . Although editors at Capitol Hill Blue have received a number of inquiries from other news organizations involving earlier published interviews with the three , the locations and phone numbers were not revealed by anyone connected with the Internet publication . One news source , however , said privately Tuesday that she had gotten Sandra James ' phone number from a source close to the White House . The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment on the report . At least one phone call to the home of Carolyn Moffet , who is now married and no longer lives in Arkansas , was an anonymous warning to keep quiet . " Carolyn said she was threatened by a man who said she and her family could be hurt if they said any more , " said Constance Harris , a neighbor . " She ' s real scared . " 088665 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 58am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) I just watched the Lisa Myers report on Juanita and Bill , and I have been misquoting Bill . It should be , " You ' d better get some ice on that . " ( predecessor to " I feel your pain . " ) 088666 00001 aloharonnie - 01 : 58am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *WE ARE NOW LEARNING THAT BRODDERICK WAS TWO-FERRED BY BILL CLINTON ON THAT INFAMOUS DATE OF HER RAPE . WE HAVE LEARNED THAT IN THE ANIMAL KINGDOM " TOM CATS " FORCE THEMSELVES ON THEIR FEMALE VICTIMS BY BITING THEIR FACE OR EARS OVER & OVER AGAIN UNTIL THEY SUBMIT TO OVER & OVER AGAIN SEX . SAME FOR BILL ! DECENT PEOPLE IN AMERICA DO NOT DESERVE TO BE SO BULLYED INTO SUBMISSION . . . . ON ANY LEVEL . We Wonderful Americans deserve more than a " TOM CAT " in our Wonderful White House , performing in it like it was a " CAT HOUSE . " 088667 00001 zimtoons1 - 02 : 00am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Understand that there were seven charges of assaults in complaint form from women when Clinton was governor . This would bring the known total amount of complaints from women to at least 13 . Now either all women are liars or the president is . You pick ' em . 088668 00001 gzyn1 - 02 : 01am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *They should change NOW to PAST . Pathetic Aging Slavish and Twofaced . They are getting so tired and trite . 088669 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 05am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) The Forum ' s master obfuscator and rapist enabler has just made his sorry entrance . 088670 00001 zimtoons1 - 02 : 08am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Who do you think is a better bite-er ? Marv Albert or Bill Clinton ? 088671 00001 hugsy - 02 : 12am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88685 ) } 00002 *Great moments in judicial restraint ; George Bush had an affair NOW on Clarance Thomas fiasco , " it ' s not the nature of the evidence , but the severity of the charge " Chalrie Wrangle ' s ' guilty ' verdict of an upstate police officer in the Tawana Brawley farce . The Oklahoma city bombing was caused by conservative talk radio . 088672 00001 tna1pada3 - 02 : 45am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88683 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " A High Risk of Census Success ? The bitter feuding over how to conduct the 2000 census goes on and on . The Republicans say the Democrats want to use unconstitutional and illegal sampling methods to improperly boost the numbers of inner-city residents . The Democrats say the Republicans don ' t want to use modern sampling methods that provide a more accurate count because it will show more Democratic-voting minorities and cost the GOP control of the House . Democrats seized on a Feb . 9 letter from House census subcommittee Chairman Dan Miller ( R-Fla . ) to ranking Democrat Carolyn B . Maloney ( N . Y . ) as proof . " While I want to work together , " Miller wrote , " I cannot risk a successful 2000 Census . " Ah ! The familiar smell of republican principles ! 088673 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 11am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88683 ) } 00002 *And , the hits keep on a ' comin ' : A tale of two bloodgates : another media cover-up The New Australian 21-27 February 1999 By Gerard Jackson Rupert Murdoch ' s Australian is certainly hot on justice and political corruption . On 9 February it published a news report on the French bloodgate , following it up on the 12 February with another lengthy report . Several former French government ministers are on trial for allowing AIDS-contaminated blood to be distributed . About one thousand people died because of their actions and there is no doubt that many more will follow them . What is really mysterious , or so it at first seems , is that America ' s bloodgate scandal , one that may have infected about 2 , 000 Americans , not to mention the number of Canadians it killed , has not been reported by the Australian media , and in particular Cameron Forbes , The Australian ' s Washington-based correspondent , even though the RCMP ( Royal Canadian Mounted Police ) are investigating the case . Of course , the mystery evaporates once one knows that America ' s contaminated blood scandal originated in Arkansas when that lovable rogue ol ' Bill Clinton was governor . Once again , it is who you are that seems to count , not what you have done . The squalid story goes back , as do so many , to Arkansas in the early 1980s when Clinton was governor . HMA ( Health Management Associates ) won a $US3 million contract to provide medical services to Arkansas state prisons . The contract also allowed the company to collect blood from prisoners and sell it , but US health regulations didn ' t permit the sale of prisoners ' blood within the country . However , HMA was able to evade the rules by selling the blood in Canada , with fatal consequences . When HMA had its license withdrawn by the authorities because of its poor medical practices , Bill Clinton publicly defended the company and used his authority as governor in 1985 to have its licence renewed , even though the company was accused of using inmates to draw blood and had employed bogus doctors . Now why should this " potentially great " and " flawed man " ( the Australian media calls him " flawed " rather than corrupt ) go out of his way to support the practices of a fraudulent medical company . After all , Clinton is man who knows how to share pain - or should I say inflict it ? This is a man who does nothing for nothing . And so it was here . The company was headed by none other than Leonard K . Dunn , a key Clinton supporter and important donor to the Bill and Hillary charity foundation . Not only did a grateful Bill reward the generous Mr Dunn with the prison contract but he also got him appointed to the state business council . And would you believe it , the same Mr Dunn ended up with Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan ' s assets , well what was left of them after the Clintons had got through with it . Ain ' t that just cosy Can ' t you imagine the howls of outrage from our left-wing crusading journalists if a Republican had done this . I know I can . Fortunately , even the best laid plans of rats and men go awry . Dr Michael Galster was working in the prison system when HMA was operating . Using the pseudonym Michael Sullivan he wrote a fictionalised account of the scandal and called it Blood Trail . Ceasing to fear Clinton ' s attack machine and his media stormtroopers , Galster went public by revealing his identity . He not only accuses Clinton of organising bribes to various state official officials to make sure that HMA could continue it 088674 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 12am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88683 ) } 00002 *He not only accuses Clinton of organising bribes to various state official officials to make sure that HMA could continue its blood-selling operations , he suggests that Clinton benefitted financially from the operation . Though the scandal has been extensively covered by the Canadian papers , the mainstream American media has done its best to ignore it censor it would be a more appropriate description . As expected , the Australian media has also joined the ' conspiracy of silence , ' even ignoring a group of former Arkansas prisoners who are launching a class action suit against the state , claiming that HMA infected them during blood donations . The revelation that the RCMP is now working with the FBI regarding criminal charges in the US is another uncomfortable fact that our fearless journalists ignored . Moreover , Vince Foster ' s ghost , so to speak , has also been brought into the scandal . * A Press Conference will be held on February 24 at the National Press Club in Washington to demand a federal investigation into Clinton ' s ' bloodgate ' scandal . Will Cameron Forbes and Cameron Stewart ( The Australian ' s New York correspondent ) be there ? I doubt it . Caped Crusaders they ain ' t . In fact , I don ' t even consider them to be real journalists . Forbes couldn ' t hotfoot it fast enough to Jasper , Texas , to report on a race-inspired murder . And Stewart couldn ' t get to Wyoming fast enough either when it was claimed a young man had been murdered for being a homosexual . But neither of them ever bothered to scurry down Arkansas way to investigate a single Clinton scandal . I don ' t know whether Clinton is genuinely guilty of any wrongdoing concerning HMA ' s blood-selling operation . But I do know that journalists should have reported it and tried to uncover the truth . They didn ' t . Smart-aleck journalists can smear Jefferson , ** Bob Barr , Ken Starr and Linda Tripp but they cannot report the Arkansas blood scandal . I ' ll let readers figure out for themselves what the hell is going on here . 088675 00001 tna1pada3 - 03 : 13am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88682 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " From freeper ( why the MSNBC poll is unreliable ) Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : ~Vor~ Posted By : dokmad 7070 02 / 24 / 99 23 : 07 : 48 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : Richard Kimball Posted By : ~Vor~ 7049 02 / 24 / 99 23 : 02 : 53 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : Richard Kimball Posted By : Jury of One 6951 02 / 24 / 99 22 : 41 : 59 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : Richard Kimball Posted By : Deb 6638 02 / 24 / 99 21 : 55 : 11 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : Richard Kimball Posted By : JulieRNR21 6596 02 / 24 / 99 21 : 48 : 00 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : birddog Posted By : Jesse Gilbert 6470 02 / 24 / 99 21 : 27 : 02 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : Richard Kimball Posted By : truthkeeper 6427 02 / 24 / 99 21 : 16 : 41 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : Richard Kimball Posted By : giotto 6413 02 / 24 / 99 21 : 14 : 23 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : Wacky Zacky Posted By : jamesbond 6374 02 / 24 / 99 21 : 08 : 18 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : Richard Kimball Posted By : Wacky Zacky 6336 02 / 24 / 99 21 : 00 : 52 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : birddog Posted By : zricochet 6099 02 / 24 / 99 20 : 05 : 17 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : Cicero Posted By : birddog 5941 02 / 24 / 99 19 : 24 : 35 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : Richard Kimball Posted By : Cicero 5908 02 / 24 / 99 19 : 09 : 55 Vote in MSNBC poll White Water Posted By : Richard Kimball 5778 02 / 24 / 99 18 : 28 : 28 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : PrinceOfCups Posted By : Ol ' Dan Tucker 2591 02 / 25 / 99 10 : 54 : 37 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : Flashman_at_the_charge Posted By : muffaletaman 2310 02 / 25 / 99 09 : 59 : 41 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : JayTee Posted By : trust 1935 02 / 25 / 99 09 : 00 : 29 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : LibertarianLiz Posted By : JayTee 1795 02 / 25 / 99 08 : 38 : 10 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : advocate10 Posted By : Flashman_at_the_charge 1671 02 / 25 / 99 08 : 19 : 11 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : sinkspur Posted By : LarryLied 1641 02 / 25 / 99 08 : 14 : 10 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : LibertarianLiz Posted By : sinkspur 1604 02 / 25 / 99 08 : 06 : 00 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : Paine ' s Ghost Posted By : logophobe 1576 02 / 25 / 99 08 : 00 : 30 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : Visitor Posted By : LibertarianLiz 1572 02 / 25 / 99 07 : 59 : 39 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : Paine ' s Ghost Posted By : advocate10 1539 02 / 25 / 99 07 : 52 : 51 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : PrinceOfCups Posted By : Paine ' s Ghost 1504 02 / 25 / 99 07 : 45 : 33 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : PrinceOfCups Posted By : Visitor 1482 02 / 25 / 99 07 : 41 : 56 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : PrinceOfCups Posted By : kassie 1438 02 / 25 / 99 07 : 32 : 03 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview Reply To : PrinceOfCups Posted By : PrinceOfCups 1278 02 / 25 / 99 06 : 58 : 43 MSNBC Poll an Juanita Interview White Water Posted By : PrinceOfCups 1235 02 / 25 / 99 06 : 49 : 17 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : ~Vor~ Posted By : Coop 1132 02 / 25 / 99 06 : 29 : 38 Vote in MSNBC poll Reply To : Richard Kimball Posted By : ~Vor~ 963 02 / 25 / 99 06 : 03 : 23 Topic : White Water Vote in MSNBC poll MSNBC 24FEB99 here Ya ' ll take care , now , hear ? Posted by : Richard Kimball ( emailname ) * 02 / 24 / 99 18 : 28 : 28 PST To : Richard Kimball To vote , go to the link above and click on " Survey : Is She Credible ? " As usual , clinton is getting clobbered . From : Cicero ( emailname ) * 02 / 24 / 088676 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 14am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88682 ) } 00002 *Opening Statement by Michael Galster : Conference on Contaminated Prison Plasma Michael Galster National Press Club , Washington D . C . February 24 , 1999 I am Michael Galster . I feel that I need to tell you how it is that I have called all of these people together for this conference and why a medical practitioner in prosthetics from Arkansas has brought such a devastating story to the nation ' s capital . The story goes back to my years as a medical worker within the gates of the infamous prison farm in Arkansas . . . Cummins . During those years in the early and mid 1980 ' s I discovered that inmates who were desperately ill were encouraged to sell their blood to the state prison medical administration . I was stupid enough , or innocent enough , to believe that there was a technique to kill or remove the diseased elements from that blood . Years later I was to find that no attempt had even been made to purify that blood . To tell this story , in 1997 I wrote a novel entitled " Blood Trail " under the pen name of Michael Sullivan . It is the story of a father ' s attempt to call to justice those people responsible for destroying his son . In " Blood Trail " the son is infected with AIDS from a blood transfusion . I took literary license to follow the logical flow of money and power which would have allowed this system to flourish in a state such as Arkansas and I allowed the father in the story to seek the answers to the question , " Why was my son infected ? " . My hope was that some energetic reporter would pick up on my portrayal of this horrible tragedy and bring it to the attention of the American authorities . As I soon discovered , this wasn ' t going to happen . The political climate had changed significantly in Arkansas and after discussions with my family I decided to carry out an investigation of my own . I traveled to Canada and visited with many of the victims of tainted blood shipments from Arkansas . That trip changed my life . I found scattered stories from every front . I found lawyers , business people , housewives and athletes . I found people in the final stages of their disease and others for whom the ordeal had just begun . I heard the stories of hundreds of hemophiliacs , who already dealt with their birthright disease everyday and were now dealing with AIDS and Hepatitis C infections that ravaged their bodies . I found wives unwittingly infected by their husbands . I found people whose resources diminished daily , victims too tired to fight . I found far too many children . I found these people . 088677 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 16am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88680 ) } 00002 *Clinton to be subpoenaed by Canadian tainted blood victims CP ( Canadaian Press Newswire ) 25 Feb 99 ROBERT RUSSO WASHINGTON ( CP ) - U . S . president Bill Clinton will soon be receiving a subpoena from Canadians infected by HIV-tainted blood donated by Arkansas prisoners . Canadian hemophiliacs who contracted AIDS and hepatitis C from blood donated by prisoners at the Cummins prison in Arkansas while Clinton was governor of the state want to interview him under oath as part of a $5-billion US lawsuit , victims lawyer David Harvey said Wednesday . " We intend to seek a deposition from the president , " said Harvey . " At that point , we will consider naming him as a defendant . " } 00003 *About 1 , 000 Canadians now suffering from deadly diseases from the tainted blood are demanding to know why the U . S . Food and Drug Administration continued to license prison blood centres despite evidence that prisons were hotbeds of HIV and hepatitis C infection . Some of the convicts - many of whom were already diagnosed with hepatitis C - were bled as many as 60 times a year and given $7 for each donation . " Unbelievably , the FDA allowed this high-risk plasma to be exported to Canada to be put in the veins of innocent Canadians , " Michael McCarthy , who contracted hepatitis C from the tainted blood , told a news conference at Washington s National Press Club . " For a country that Canadians admired and trusted to have world-class standards , why was it that we became the dumping ground for your poison ? " The FDA banned use of plasma derived from blood donated by prisoners in anti-hemophilia products in the United States in 1982 . } 00004 *The Cummins prison in Grady , Ark . , was notorious for overbleeding prisoners , bleeding disqualified donors and for destroying evidence and records . Leonard Dunn , the president of Health Management Associates which bought the blood , was a friend of Clinton s and his chief fund-raiser for the 1990 Arkansas governors race . White House spokesman Jim Kennedy told The Associated Press " there s no credible suggestion of any involvement by the president when he was governor . " He said questions relating to how the state of Arkansas dealt with this matter should be referred to the relevant agencies A spokesman for the FDA refused comment Tuesday on the pending lawsuit . } 00005 *Dunn said he became involved with Health Management Associates in 1984 after the incident at Grady . The firm did not have a blood program at Arkansas prisons when he was there , Dunn said . McCarthy , of Sebringville , Ont . , said about half of the 1 , 000 Canadians who received the tainted blood from Cummins prison have died . He is the lead plaintiff in a $1 . 1-billion lawsuit against the Canadian federal government that charges Ottawa with negligence for allowing the blood into the country . But the Canadians face a daunting challenge in the United States . Forty-eight of the 50 U . S . states have already passed legislation blocking similar lawsuits . An American group seeking compensation for contracting HIV and hepatitis C from tainted blood has had no success in seven years of court action . An FDA official said earlier this month that prisoners were permitted to donate high-risk blood plasma for export partly because it was felt this would help in their rehabilitation . } 00006 * " It was seen as a way for prisoners to rehabilitate themselves , they were giving something back to the community by donating their blood , " said the official , who asked not to be named . The official expressed regret that Canadians may have been infected after receiving blood products made from plasma collected in prisons in Arkansas and Louisiana . " It s always so difficult when you re talking to consumers who have been directly affected by something so life-altering . It s too flimsy an excuse , but we didn t have a lot of information back in the 80s . " The RCMP , which is considering laying criminal negligence causing death charges as a 088678 00001 tna1pada3 - 03 : 16am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88680 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " Topic : White Water Vote in MSNBC poll MSNBC 24FEB99 here Ya ' ll take care , now , hear ? Posted by : Richard Kimball ( emailname ) * 02 / 24 / 99 18 : 28 : 28 PST To : Richard Kimball To vote , go to the link above and click on " Survey : Is She Credible ? " As usual , clinton is getting clobbered . From : Cicero ( emailname ) * 02 / 24 / 99 19 : 09 : 55 PST To : > 00003 Cicero bttt ! ! ! } 00004 *I wonder how long it will take NBC to whine about us " ultraconservatives " stuffing the ballod box ! ! LOL 088679 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 19am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88680 ) } 00002 *The biggest problem with investigating crime and corruption of Clinton is where to stop ? 088680 00001 supkis - 04 : 07am Feb 26 , 1999 EST ( of 88680 ) > 00002 D-fender , } 00003 *you charming left winger ! I am SO happy you are like me ! I am also very concerned with all HIV-AIDS issues , having lost more than one gay friend to the terrible disease . I also have belonged to a number of organizations which want to reform Washington especially campaign financing ! AND I once was a sponsor of the Fortune Society and worked with inmates in prison in NJ . I agree the horrors of ALL Southern prisons create monsters and do all sorts of ugly things , literally like vampires , on poor men and women . Texas is a particularily evil state when it comes to prisons . To think that anyone in their right mind would want the murderous " moderate " Bush Jr . for President must mean people LOVE crummy prisons which abuse prisoners . Salon has , like myself , always critisized Clinton from the left . We know the critisizims from the right are all hooey since he is often acting identical to them . I think any right winger who whines about this blood scandal which I knew even six months ago , is being disingeneous since right wingers love to torment prisoners and run hideous prisons worthy of Communist China . +++ 990228 090645 00001 chrismctae - 01 : 17am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90843 ) > 00002 Juniorjunior } 00003 *Name is for an obvious reason . . . are YOU one of the " children " who can ' t be depended upon to tell the truth ? Or are you simply a misogynist idiot ? Thinking like yours usually crops up in made-for-TV-movies about mother-loving rapist / murderers who think they are sparing the world by killing some perceived harlot in the name of an unforgiving " God . " That could just be my perception . As a woman . As a woman with a more than decent IQ . As a woman who has seen what men think and don ' t think about women and children . As a women who has had a child and loved him with an INTELLIGENT man who didn ' t think the way back-water ignorants like you think . 090646 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 19am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90843 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 paulany 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 06am } 00004 *We ask the President for his records regarding his whereabouts on the day in question . He is refusing to release them . We talk to the other players in this episode . We await another outing . Could be more ? I happen to suspect there are . Rapists don ' t just rape once , and I believe this lady was raped by a knowledgable rapist , which is not something at all pleasant to contemplate . BTW I see that my writings here have caused several to conclude that I am a female as if a male could not be outraged about rape . Mistaken conclusion , folks . Widower , married 25 yrs . Looking . 090647 00001 amiante - 01 : 20am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90843 ) > 00002 junior , junior : } 00003 *I say YOU raped me . It happened 15 years ago . I don ' t have to tell you the day or the month . You have to PROVE you weren ' t there , and I don ' t have to tell you where unless I choose to . It happened in a hotel that doesn ' t exist anymore . Of course , I don ' t have any proof that I have ever been in the same city with you any time in my life , but it ' s up to YOU to prove you ' re innocent . And in the meantime , let me grind my other VERY spiky heel into your useless groin . 090648 00001 amiante - 01 : 21am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90843 ) } 00002 *And what day in question might that be collioure ? Your idol has said she doesn ' t remember the day or the month and has changed her story several times about when it occurred . YOU disgusting perverted rapist , you . 090649 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 23am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90843 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 amiante 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 14am } 00004 *Gee , liz . I don ' t make women angry . I have an awful lot of women friends ( small f ) . More gals than guys . I like women . I respect them . I get along with them . Your post does not compute . 090650 00001 amiante - 01 : 26am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90843 ) } 00002 *YOU are a rapist because I say so . I think you deserve the death penalty . Let ' s see you PROVE that you never raped me . YOU CAN ' T , you disgusting perverted rapist . Remember that NOW believes ME until YOU can prove you ' re innocent . Rapist . 090651 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 27am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90843 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 amiante 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 21am } 00004 *NBC has produced the date . Rape is such a demeaning , disorienting event for women that many often do not remember the date , doofus . For many it is the shaming of a lifetime . Not good behavior for someone aspiring to be President either . 090652 00001 tna1pada3 - 01 : 31am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90843 ) } 00002 * " It ain ' t over til it ' s over " And Now . . . The Unfiltered , Unedited News " What are we to make not only of Jane Doe No . 5 , but also of how and when she became a story ? The circuitous tale is a template for what might be called the New Mixed Media Culture , and it is a sign of things to come--bad things for the nature of public discourse . We are moving toward a journalism of assertion rather than a journalism of verification , and the cost for society is high . " " Rather , a journalist ' s job is to sift out the facts from the allegations , and to provide citizens with accurate reliable information upon which they can self-govern . That process is at risk . " 090653 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 31am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90843 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 collioure1 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 23am } 00004 *I think I ' d better add a disclaimer to " I respect women . " I don ' t respect women who engage in such rude behavior as you and saichel have engaged in today . 090654 00001 stars142 - 01 : 38am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90843 ) > 00002 juniorjunior1 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 10am } 00003 * " Stop trying to interpret my post in your own twisted words . " } 00004 *Well Junior , lets take a look shall we ? In this post : juniorjunior1 2 / 28 / 99 12 : 48am you said , " How many IDIOTS are there that automatically dismiss claims like this yet salivate over 30+ year-old allegations of Adultery involving Henry Hyde ? " But in this post : juniorjunior1 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 10am you say , " The fact Hyde admitted to his infidelity doesn`t detract from the fact IDIOTS like you believed them FACT before said admittance of infidelity by Hyde . " Now Junior you FREEPER DUMBASS . Who ' s twisting who ' s word . Your " TWISTED " DUMBASS FREEPER MIND can ' t even get your argument straight . Go back to your Freeper page , get your story straight , and then come back and try posting something that makes sense , rookie . ( grin ) 090655 00001 chrismctae - 01 : 40am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90842 ) } 00002 *Yeah , right , > 00003 amiante , } 00004 *Been HELL on you men all these centuries ! Especially this last one . . . had to actually prove your worth as a person here and there and not depend on society ' s handing you " top-dog " status . Stop feeding your egos / fears . Let ' s talk about what rape really is . And what men really are allowed to expect from this world that women aren ' t . And maybe then we can talk about the REAL BIG male fear . . . women as equals . We ' ve had to live with your " big bad daddy angry god " concept for centuries . Made it easy for less intelligent men to dominate the family around them . But , somehow , never inhibited their " natural " desire to screw around ( almost like dogs in heat . . . can ' t help it . . . male ! ! ! ) . Let ' s be honest . Equality scares men like you into impotency ( and it usually isn ' t a very far trip ) . Real men aren ' t threatened by women . You are . Real men don ' t agonize over women ' s political standing . . . they don ' t need to play dictator to make up for the ego-kicking they got at work or on the road ( where some idiot hauling NOTHING in a BIGGER pick-up truck reminded you that your philosophy is small enough to encompass mainly " BIGGER is better " ) . Spare me . . . Yes , the Goddess should nail all of your insignificant , misogynist ( loosely means " women-hating " for those of you without a dictionary ) butts to a wall . I ' m more than tired of hearing your sexist garbage . 090656 00001 d-fendr - 01 : 41am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90842 ) } 00002 *I think an investigative journalist approach to this question would be most warranted and maybe the only way to get at the truth . Clinton was a candidate for governor on the campaign trail during the time period involved . This is far from an obscure schedule . There is security and handlers and schedulers involved . There quite likely are records still extant , certainly there are people still alive that traveled with the candidate at the time . This was not a private citizen during a private time of few events . Recently I looked up a campaign I was involved with on the Internet . This was a Lt . Gov Campaign 17 years ago . The records were kept , in this case boxes donated to an archive , I was able to locate schedules , fundraisers . . thousands of items . A gubenatorial campaign is a pretty big operation , even in a small state . It ' s very public too , and lots of documents are made and kept . If there is some exculpatory explanation or reason Clinton could not have been there , it ' s not too unlikely it could be found . It would be a good use of investigative journalism . 090657 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 44am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90842 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 tna1pada3 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 31am } 00004 *Oh , adapuss , you left out the paragraph wherein NBC ' s thorough verification process was praised for making the Broaddrick piece more credible . Gee , I wonder why . 090658 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 49am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90842 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 d-fendr 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 41am } 00004 *Right , but reporters don ' t have subpoena power . Anyhow Bill wasn ' t at that hotel with Paula either , and he and Hill paid $850 , 000 for his absence . 090659 00001 zamosz8 - 01 : 49am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90842 ) } 00002 *The only sexist garbage in this forum comes from nutso amiante and the misandrist ( Male-hater if you don ' t have your dictionary ) chrismctae . Women are equals except for you pitiful whining crybabies . Your blame game dependency is nauseating yet predictable . Perhaps science will someday find that mystery complaining gene that some women are obviously born with . Until then , keep moaning and blame everyone else , especially men for your self-inflicted problems . 090660 00001 paulany - 01 : 51am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90842 ) > 00002 Colliourel : } 00003 *Come on , now . I can admit that BC has a very active libido . But , rape ? All I can say is that my instincts say " No . " There are many powerful reasons for women to not report rape when it happens : fear being probably the most powerful . But to not report a rape because of social stigma , while understandable , must constantly be warned against . A woman ' s strong sense of self ( one goal of all feminism ) must overcome whatever social disgrace she might face . Those women who don ' t have the self-confidence to stand up for their rights and worry instead about " social disgrace " need the help of rape counseling services and the support of friends and family . If a woman chooses not to report a rape , as is also her right , then she must forego legal recourse in the future . I apologize to any sisters who find my statements too harsh . 090661 00001 d-fendr - 01 : 55am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90842 ) > 00002 collioure , } 00003 *May not need subponea powers , and if they ask and someone is too relunctant , hiding , well that can be reported as well . You could likely reconstruct much of his schedule just by going through the morgue clippings of Ark papers . You could pin down marker dates , major events happening around the date of the nursing convention , to refresh memories , you have campaign chairmen in the local counties where he appears , you have people locally scheduling and making arrangements , the amount of documents and people involved is likely quite large . Many , if not most , campaigns have an archivist whose job it is to keep all manner of documents . Universities are forever collecting documents to use in campaign classes , I gave hundreds of them myself . Really , it would amaze me if his schedule could not be re-constructed . This may not be proof of his guilt , but it sure could provide evidence of his innocence . Seriously , candidates for governor are very tightly scheduled and recorded , very rarely alone during the campaign day . 090662 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 56am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90842 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) What is the most important we learned today ? Mort Kondracke of Roll Call , an independent , revealed that he could not find one friend of Clinton who believed him incapable of the rape of Juanita Broaddrick . In other words , in the eyes of Clinton ' s friends he is quite capable of rape . No doubt about it . 090663 00001 zamosz8 - 01 : 56am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90842 ) } 00002 *Good Night , I now have to ' entertain ' a real woman . She enjoys men who don ' t kow-tow to wuzzy liberal beliefs and she is too happy with herself to moan and cry about gender politics like some of the insecure female posters here do . Ah , the wine glass is full . . 090664 00001 collioure1 - 01 : 59am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90841 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 d-fendr 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 55am } 00004 *They ' ve been through the newspapers , fendr . They haven ' t been through his . ( maybe they ' re being re-created as we speak . 00005 ( §§090665 stars142 - 02 : 00am Feb 28 , 1999 EST of 90841 ) } 00006 *Well it ' s been fun picking on you True Blue ( nose ) Freepers but Im calling it a night . Chat with you tommorrow after Kentucky beats Tennessee . TAH TAH ! 090666 00001 d-fendr - 02 : 01am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90841 ) > 00002 collioure , } 00003 *another thought . Have you read the Caro books on LBJ . All the details there , much of it from the LBJ library . I ' ve been in there . . It ' s a huge building filled with all manor of minutae , going back to his very early days and campaigns . People keep all kinds of stuff from campaigns , box it up , ship it off to storage . It would be more surprising than not if his schedule and records were not still around . Well , maybe 20 years from now , another Caro will be in some dusty library doing this . 090667 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 03am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90841 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 paulany 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 51am } 00004 *See collioure1 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 56am . Seems Bill ' s friends disagree with you . 090668 00001 aggeiser - 02 : 03am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90841 ) } 00002 *There is a calcified contingent of male Republicans who look , act , virtually reek of San Francisco ' s own Dan White , who was the Supervisor , ( San Fransico ' s elected board just below the Mayor ) , who assassinated the Mayor , George Moscone , and the openly gay head of the Board of Supervisors , Harvey Milk . On that day Feinstein was just about to announce her retirement from politics . Feinstein became mayor on that day because of the assassinations . Her future was changed by a Republican who lost his head in the same way that so many Republicans on this forum lose their heads . Today , Feinstein occupies a similar political position nationally , and carries a belief that she has a destiny to be the one to restore or insure moral responsibility . She ' ll accept the offer of the Vice Presidential nomination . . . . 090669 00001 d-fendr - 02 : 04am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90841 ) > 00002 collioure , } 00003 *I know NBC , NBC is a friend of mine , but NBC is no Robert Caro . : ) I ' m tellin ya , the info is somewhere . I ' d bet money on it . 090670 00001 aggeiser - 02 : 06am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90841 ) } 00002 *Republicans are completely going off the deep end . There ' s potentially serious tragedy in this . . . 090671 00001 paulany - 02 : 06am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90841 ) > 00002 Collieurel : } 00003 *Why would ANYONE be a friend of someone who they believed capable of rape ? ? ? ? Other latent rapists ? ? ? ? This is the most ridiculous post I ' ve seen since becoming addicted to this place . 090672 00001 d-fendr - 02 : 07am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90841 ) } 00002 *well , > 00003 agge , } 00004 *that exposure should put her in a good position to run against the Republican incumbent in 2004 . And she ' ll have her fortune to spend campaigning for the nomination . ; ) 090673 00001 mhammer4 - 02 : 08am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90841 ) } 00002 * " We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God . " --James Madison As for Jane Doe #5 , the Arkansas statute of limitation on rape has expired . Though Juanita Broaddrick has no legal recourse , she joins the ranks of now-countless plaintiffs who have charged the protagonist of ´´the most ethical administration in history´´ with now-countless acts of corruption . Mrs . Broaddrick falls among other known victims of one category of Clinton acts of corruption : sexual assault . She joins Eileen Wellstone , Carolyn Moffet , Elizabeth Ward [Gracen] , Paula Corbin [Jones] , Sandra Allen [James] , Christy Zercher , and Kathleen Willey . Mr . Clinton is banking on the bet that America´s statute of limitation on outrage has expired . Sexual assault -- rape and sexual domination -- is decidedly not ´´just about sex . ´´ It is about power . Bill Clinton´s locus of desire is not centered on sex , but an unmitigated lust for power . In his narcissistic quest to satisfy that insatiable lust , he is doing to all Americans what he did to Juanita Broaddrick . We are the John and Jane Does of the Clinton era . 090674 00001 aggeiser - 02 : 08am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) > 00002 d-fendr . . } 00003 *It ' s her husband Walter Shorenstein ' s fortune . 090675 00001 d-fendr - 02 : 09am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) > 00002 agge , } 00003 *You mean he won ' t let her spend it ? 090676 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 09am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 aggeiser 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 03am } 00004 *Pretty wild swing , fella . Not many posters like that here . But I will welcome Dianne as Al ' s choice for Veepeven though she occasionally seems a bit dumbstruck ( e . g . , Ruby Ridge ) . Problem is that if Clinton remains much longer , Al won ' t have much of a chance . ( But nice try at drama anyway ) 090677 00001 d-fendr - 02 : 12am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 *I ' m pretty conservative , but honestly , I ' ll cheer whoever walks in the White House so long as the Clintons are walking out . It ' s just too much sleeze . I think lots of folks of all parties are gonna be celebrating Jan 20 , 2001 , just for relief that they ' re gone . 090678 00001 aggeiser - 02 : 13am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) > 00002 d-fendr } 00003 *Of course Shorenstein does . I was just clarifying . > 00004 Coillure} 00005 *You . 090679 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 14am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 d-fendr 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 04am } 00004 *Oh , I agree , fendr . The info existed . At least it did before last week . > 00005 paulany 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 06am } 00006 *Take it up with Morton Kondracke - appears on Fox daily , on McLaughlin weekly , editor of Roll Coll a very responsbile Hill publication . And Mort ' s certainly no conservative . Pretty pragmatic guy . Hardly a silly post , pal . The guy is capable of rape . 090680 00001 mhammer4 - 02 : 14am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 * " We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God . " --James Madison ´´A Presidential visit to New Hampshire used to be cause for some celebration , something worthy of the highest office in our land , something to bring the children to so that they , one day , could ´tell the grandkids . ´ New Hampshire has welcomed them all -- from George Washington through Teddy Roosevelt and on up the line to Reagan and Bush . Even when it was purely political , it was something special just to have the President of our country in our midst . Not anymore . Not today . Not with this man . His party has put politics above principle . A goodly share of the public may be more interested in a healthy economy than the moral health of their country . Granite Staters in general , a polite and respectful lot , may feel compelled to be nice or at least to hold their tongues . But there is no reason to respect a man who has shown so little respect for the people , the office , and the country . He is a disgrace . The sooner he leaves New Hampshire , the better . Since he has expressed a desire to continue to serve the country , the best way he can do that is to stop by Washington just long enough to pick up his toothbrush , turn in his resignation , and head back to Arkansas . ´´ --A Union Leader editorial greeting Mr . Clinton´s arrival to Manchester , NH 090681 00001 stars142 - 02 : 16am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) > 00002 collioure1 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 56am } 00003 * " In other words , in the eyes of Clinton ' s friends he is quite capable of rape . No doubt about it " } 00004 *Couldn ' t let this pass before leaving for the night . Colli you FREEPER IDIOT ! ! Every able body person is capable of rape . JUST because someone is capable of rape doesn ' t mean they ' ll commit rape as its obvious your implying . Jeezus H . KEYrist . How stupid and desperate can one be to follow this inane logic ? Go to bed Colli , maybe you ' ll wake up from this freaky freeper babbling nightmare your having . TAH TAH 090682 00001 mhammer4 - 02 : 17am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 * " We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God . " --James Madison > 00003 collioure } 00004 * ( But nice try at drama anyway ) I would have thought ( But nice try at comedy anyway ) would have been more appropriate . 090683 00001 aggeiser - 02 : 19am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 *Republicans increasingly try to cause extreme drama , but they aren ' t the ones who have the final say because they ' re out to lunch . A Republican just said to me " Nice try at drama " . Republicans are losing their minds so badly that they can ' t distinguish between historically factual events and their excitement over lurid gossip . 090684 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 20am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00002 aggeiser 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 13am } 00003 *That ' s two wild swings . The last one was below the belt . One more and you ' re out . BTW I don ' t even own a gun , and I ' m not a Republican . 090685 00001 gzyn1 - 02 : 20am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) > 00002 aggeiser 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 03am } 00003 *Poor Feinstein . Strange twist of fate . After all those years of politcal activism , she winds up defending the sick behavior of her political leader , Clinton , when he lost his head and fell madly in love with Monica . 090686 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 24am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 stars142 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 16am } 00004 *Hate to disillusion you , buddy , but I for one am not capable of rape . Nor are many men . Some of us believe in good old-fashioned love , in solid partnerhsips . But a sexual addict like Bill with a great need for sex , that ' s a horse of a different color . 090687 00001 katncandy - 02 : 25am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 *Charles Grodin said tonight , " Clinton is not a rapist . " Then he made that little face he likes to make , like he ' s eating something that tastes like s*** . I bet that is what Juanita thought when she invited the young atty general to her hotel room . Bet on it people . Clinton did these things . This is going to be a he said she said she said she said she said she said she said circus until the end of his term . The women accusing Clinton were women who worked for and admired Clinton . I suppose they are all a part of a vast right wing conspiracy . Our Democratic leaders must put a stop to this before the end of his term . I don ' t see how the gentlemen can get any work done in this kind of environment . I hope democrats demand Clinton ' s resignation . By the way , I am not GOP , nor right-wing . I voted for Clinton in ' 92 . I am an independent registered voter which normally votes 90% democratic ticket . This country cannot go on normally as long as Clinton occupies the White House . Please demand his resignation ! This great country can get along without Bill Clinton . His legacy is in ashes , and there is nothing more for him to do . Now is the time to be a man and walk away from the tatters of his presidency . He will forever be known as the rapist president and he brought it upon himself . 090688 00001 d-fendr - 02 : 26am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) > 00002 paulany , } 00003 *have you ever known someone whom you gradually came to see as something else ? have you ever known someone that you saw things in that as someone else told you about them , you said . . ' you know , he really could be like that . . " the guy has a problem , paulany , he can ' t stop himself . If he could , he would ' ve and all the things would not be coming out . Many of them were known long ago , much of it was not that big a secret . Ark . is a small state , Little Rock a small town . Folks knew . Some didn ' t know , some didn ' t want to believe , some didn ' t care , some traded their conscience for power and position . And don ' t forget , Clinton is a charming and convincing guy , folks want to believe , he seems genuinely concerned about them . I give you another decade , Paulany , you ' ll see this stuff , you ' ll make a really fine conservative one day . ^_^ 090689 00001 aggeiser - 02 : 32am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) > 00002 Coillioure} 00003 *Out ? Disaffected Republicans who ' ve abandoned their party and spout right wing rhetoric are all potential Dan White ' s on the brink . Feinstein said on natiional T . V . she was angry with Clinton she could have popped him one in the nose . That ' s scarcely a defense . A Republican just said Feinstein defended Clinton . That ' s just more evidence of Republicans being unable to grasp facts and instead going Quixotic on us . Quixotic means getting addled by too much lurid stuff , like comic books and tabloids , and computer games . . . and an idea of what " rape " means . . . something like what Lex Luthor would do . . . 090690 00001 katncandy - 02 : 32am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 *Why are there not polls all over the media ? I guess the poll takers wait for a call from Bill . I voted on a poll at msnbc and his approval numbers are in the toilet . I wonder why this unfortunate turn of events is not generating outrage ? I guess since it can ' t be proven , you will all choose to ignore the fact that we have an accused rapist occupying the most powerful office in the world . Scary . 090691 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 32am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 gzyn1 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 20am } 00004 *I don ' t see Dianne that way . She was plenty pissed over Monica because Slick Willie lied to her face on that one and she went public with it . } 00005 * " Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned . " } 00006 *She may have voted to pardon Bill , but I don ' t see her as a defender of his scuzzy behavior . Dianne has some principles - not as many at Moynihan or Lieberman or Kerrey , but some . We haven ' t heard much from her lately . 090692 00001 d-fendr - 02 : 35am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 *yeah , > 00003 stars , } 00004 *speak for yourself , I ' m not capable of rape , no way , i couldn ' t . it repulses me as much as harming any woman , a child or any other human being . I think the point is that we don ' t hear a chorus of his friends saying , ' no way , Bill is not capable of this , he ' s just not that kind of person to do this to women , he has the greatest respect for women . . etc . . " That ' s the point in this , I think , it fits with what we know of Bill and his relationship with women . 090693 00001 mhammer4 - 02 : 35am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90840 ) } 00002 * " We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God . " --James Madison > 00003 agguesser : } 00004 *A Republican just said Feinstein defended Clinton . Oh , you caught that did you . I suppose she voted " GUILTY " ? ? ? ? 090694 00001 aggeiser - 02 : 35am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90838 ) } 00002 *Moynihan has always been moral mush . He never takes , or took , a stand , and that ' s why he ' s leaving . He ' s just being called on to take a position too often now . 090695 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 38am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90838 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 aggeiser 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 32am } 00004 *Maybe if you stopped attributing the posts of others to me , you could actually send a meaningful post my way . Mayhe tomorrow you ' ll figure it out . I do not engage in partisan dialog . The issue here is the President . It is not what party he belongs to . 090696 00001 d-fendr - 02 : 38am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90838 ) > 00002 agge , } 00003 *with ya on Moynihan , what a waste of talent . 090697 00001 gzyn1 - 02 : 39am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90838 ) > 00002 collioure1 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 32am } 00003 *Kind of like . Clinton raped her creditablity , but she going to wait twenty years to accuse him of lying . Because she is socially embarrassed . 090698 00001 juniorjunior1 - 02 : 39am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90838 ) } 00002 *Either We All Have Freedom Of Speech Or None Of Us Have It ! ! ! ! > 00003 chrismctae 2 / 28 / 99 1 : 17am } 00004 *Just what on Earth are you referring to here , chrismctae ? ? ? I have no idea of what you are accusing me of here . For the record , I am against the Death Penalty as it seems innocent people suffer occasionally . I can only think of statements I made that I do not believe Women or Children always tell the TRUTH , but that hardly seems enough to warrant your ripping me a new one . Do you believe Women / Children never Lie ? What ? Paulany , I believe Broaddrick , you may not , but as you stated- that`s your right . The evidence she has going for her ? Four ( 4 ) contemporaneous witnesses stating she told them the same story she told the other day . Records showing she indeed was in Little Rock in the Spring of 1978 [though she couldn`t remember the exact day-a common occurrence among Rape victims-records indicate it was April 25th] . The absence of any data indicating Clinton was anywhere other than Little Rock that day [45 Newspapers pored over by NBC reporters] puts him in the vicinity . That-in addition to other factors-inclines me to believe Ms . Broaddrick rather than King Bill`s mouthpiece . Did you even bother to watch the Dateline interview / any other coverage of this issue before making up your mind ? I did . And stars132 , you have me confused with a brainless sort such as yourself . The admission by Hyde he committed a " youthful indiscretion " came far after rumors about his Adultery abounded . You put a contextual time frame in my post that was incorrect and supports your IDIOCY . The point remains , accusations against Republicans [Newt Gingrich , Jerry Falwell , etc . ] are given credence by those such as you while you still maintain King Bill acted " improperly " in consoling Monica Lewinsky , a distraught child of a divorce [ " Bill likes to counsel the young people " Hillary Clinton] . 090699 00001 aggeiser - 02 : 40am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90838 ) } 00002 *To a typical Republican " what we know of Bill " comes in a kind of luridly colored comic book . There ' s some Republican hero , arched over Earth , and there is Bill Clinton , standing on Capitol Hill . It takes an incredibly addled imagination to see Henry Hyde and James Rogan and all of the others as these morally purified members of a team of super heroes . That is , however , the way the minds of most Republicans work these days . 090700 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 41am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90838 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 aggeiser 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 35am d-fendr 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 38am } 00004 *You ' re both wrong about Pat . One of the best Senators of our time . 090701 00001 mhammer4 - 02 : 43am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90838 ) } 00002 * " We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God . " --James Madison The NBC interview of Arkansas businesswoman Juanita Broaddrick , quarantined during the impeachment hearing , finally made it on the air . NBC´s Lisa Myers landed the exclusive interview concerning ´´Jane Doe #5´s´´ allegation that Mr . Clinton raped her . NBC refused to air it as scheduled on Jan . 29 -- prior to the vote in Mr . Clinton´s Senate trial . Concerning the delay , Lisa Myers told Broaddrick , ´´The good news is you´re credible . The bad news is you´re very credible . ´´ 090702 00001 gzyn1 - 02 : 43am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90838 ) } 00002 *Who fixed the server ? Did somebody kick the lazy programmers in the butt ? I can actual scroll thru the log in real time . Suprise . 090703 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 46am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90838 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 aggeiser 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 40am } 00004 *Oops . The perceived indiscretions of certain Republicans ( also known as changing the subject ! ) is not relevant to the President ' s behavior . We set the highest standards for the Presidency anyway ( , but someone forgot to remind Clinton before he took office ) . 090704 00001 d-fendr - 02 : 48am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) > 00002 agge , } 00003 *I don ' t agree with those who make Clinton into a serial killer , or even an incredibly brutal serial rapist . I also don ' t agree with those who try to say he wasn ' t brutal enough with Broaddrick to concern ourselves with . I think he lacks adult control , I think he is very flawed in character , I think he is very disrepectful of women , I think he uses them and abuses them , and I think he is capable of carrying that abuse to lengths that are not acceptable to society , and are certainly not acceptable in a president . I think he knows this , is quite ashamed on occasion , but cannot stop himself . It would take a series of events to make him ready enough to face it and do what it takes to change . I think he never should have run for high office while still possesing such character flaws . He knew this and that ' s why he didn ' t run in 88 , according to some who should know . He decided to try anyway in 92 , and made covering up this ' problem ' a high priority , much of what we saw in the PJ and ML cases were extensions and continuations of this campaign operation . He knew if it all became known , people would not elect him . Those around him felt he could stop , or would stop , or would control himself or could control himself for his term of office . He couldn ' t . The president is the most watched human being on earth , and the most thoroughly investigated . If you are doing something you are too ashamed for anyone to know , you should chose another job . If you have something this bad in your past , you just disqualified yourself for president . He never should have run . 090705 00001 paulany - 02 : 50am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) > 00002 Defendr : } 00003 *Nope . Haven ' t had " friends " about whom I could say , " Yeah , he could commit rape , now that you mention it . " The response of those in this forum to BC ' s guilt or innocence in sexual matters relies totally on what each of us " feel " to be the truth . Why we feel one way or another is a complicated matter , not solely relying on political beliefs but also including personal experience , religious affiliation , etc . Those of us who spend the time going around and around these arguments remind me of a quote I read today , " I shouldn ' t argue with men , even . I take it too personally , get carried away . I don ' t just want to win on points or to promote a course of action , I want to make them JUST HEAR WHAT I ' M SAYING . " from " Be Sweet : A Conditional Love Story " by Roy Blount Jr . My emotional response to those who disagree with me on this forum is well-described by this quote . I think you would agree . 090706 00001 aggeiser - 02 : 50am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) } 00002 *It ' s very clear that Clinton is marginalized . Chasing Clinton , either in opposition to him , or in support of him , amounts now to chasing a ghost . But , it ' s not simply that Clinton is a figurative ghost . Capitol Hill is full of politicians who have been marginalized , or who for their own political safety , as in , Gore , are staying on the margins . That is the Impeachment Aftermath : a marginalizing of all leadership on Capitol Hill . Of course , a campaign for the Presidency can always be run from the margins . It ' s going to be a long two years before there ' s a new President . 090707 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 50am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 gzyn1 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 43am } 00004 *yasuoka4 , of course . 090708 00001 dbo050 - 02 : 53am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) > 00002 Paulany--} 00003 *First of all , JB does not appear to have been particularly " enlightened " by the feminist movement in Arkansas 20 years ago . However , she was involved in an illicit affair while she was married at the time and seems to have had a powerful aversion to having this fact discovered as part of any ensuing investigation . I ' d have to say this fear has turned out to be well founded , based on BC ' s consistent all out trashing of all other women ( that we know about ) he has used and subsequently discarded . Also , JB ' s livelihood was derived by the nursing home industry , which is obviously highly dependent on state regulation , inspection , contracts , etc . It would come as little surprise to me to learn that JB ' s interest in state politics at that time was attributable to the high dependence on the state government her business had . ( I predict , BTW , that if Hillary runs for the Senate , the inevitable investigation into her incredible " beginner ' s luck " as a rooky commodities trader will lead to a similar appreciation on the part of the Tyson corporation on Arkansas ) . Again , it seems clear to me from many subsequent events that BC does not hesitate to inflict all manner of governmental horrors and reprisals on those private citizens who displease BC personally . It ' s pretty clear that JB ' s preference would have been to wait another 21 years , and then some , before ever mentioning this horrible incident . The events of the last few years involving Paula Jones , the Grand Jury , and so on , have effectively " outed " her , very much against her will . I find this very easy to accept . These days she has become very successful financially . All she seems to be able to gain by telling her story now is to have the rest of her life saddled with shame and humiliation . For her to willingly do this , thereby also exposing herself to a serious defamation lawsuit from a man she has justifiably feared for 20 years , is too absurd for anyone to believe . 090709 00001 gzyn1 - 02 : 54am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) > 00002 d-fendr 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 48am } 00003 *I heard ya . But a lot of people are deep into a sicko wacko liberal lifestyle . They see Clinton as a champion of their " alternate " lifestyle . 090710 00001 collioure1 - 02 : 54am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 aggeiser 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 50am } 00004 *Omigod , a burst of intelligence . Run out of Kool-aid ? 090711 00001 d-fendr - 02 : 56am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) > 00002 agee , } 00003 *well , as a conservative , a marginalized Washington is not seen as such a bad thing . Note that in the past year of Washington ' paralysis ' with l ' affair Lewinsky and impeachment , the nation has rocked on . I think there ' s a lesson in there somewhere . 090712 00001 chrismctae - 03 : 00am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) } 00002 *And there are NO forum discussions re : Congressional spending vs . maintaining the budget because ? ? ? ? Are we still so Lewinsky-obsessed ? 090713 00001 aggeiser - 03 : 01am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) > 00002 dfendr} 00003 *It ' s foolishness . It ' s a windmill Republicans or whatever conservative label they want to give themselves are chasing . Playing psychoanalysis of a political leader is usually a waste of energy . If a political leader has a profound impact shown later on by historical events , then it becomes historically worthwhile to look into the behavior of the poltical leader , what made him tick . But , in the actual time when events are occuring , acitons are what count , as in , a policy toward the Balkans , or toward welfare . Clinton probably will never be viewed as particularly significant , but the obsession with sexuality extending to all areas of U . S . culture by conservatives will be signficant . It ' s the phenomenon of this obsession in the Republican Party that ' s of profound significance , and not Clinton ' s behavior . But , right now , the inactivity on the part of Republican leadership is the most important thing . 090714 00001 collioure1 - 03 : 02am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 d-fendr 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 48am } 00004 *I ' m mum on murder . I doubt it , yet he was part of an Arkansas political machine in one-party state with a number of mysterious deaths during his reign . And I have read an article that suggests the worst written by a lib who researched his reign . However , I do see the definite possibility of a brutal serial rapist . The lip bite it the tip-off to an experienced tapist . What did he say to Monica ? Hundreds ! All voluntary ? Who knows ? 090715 00001 gzyn1 - 03 : 02am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) > 00002 collioure1 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 50am } 00003 *Actually in a way yasuoka4 did fix it . He activated people against the lazy programmers who run this website . The most effective way to fix a computer project is to fire a programmer . Maybe the Times fired a programmer . 090716 00001 aggeiser - 03 : 04am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) } 00002 *Republicans or conservatives being obsessed with chasing the windmill of allegations about Clinton actually abandon the Republican leadership ; that is Lott , Hastert , Hyde , etc . By not discussinng anything Republican leaders want to do , conservatives abandon them . 090717 00001 chrismctae - 03 : 06am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) > 00002 aggeiser } 00003 *You DO have your 1984 double-speak down to a science ! Once more in English for us NON-spin-doctors , please . 090718 00001 collioure1 - 03 : 06am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) } 00002 *Truth and honesty are not the currency of the Clinton administration ( Chinese money is preferred ) > 00003 aggeiser 2 / 28 / 99 3 : 01am } 00004 *What you fail to realize is that Clinton has a much higher priority for sex than he has for the Balkans . The cigar incident was most revealing in allowing this distinction . 090719 00001 chrismctae - 03 : 06am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) > 00002 aggeiser } 00003 *You DO have your 1984 double-speak down to a science ! Once more in English for us NON-spin-doctors , please . 090720 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 09am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) > 00002 paulany , paulany 2 / 28 / 99 2 : 50am } 00003 *yes , I do understand , honestly . I ' m male , but I grew up in circumstances that fit that quote quite well . as to knowing people about which horrible things could be imagined , I chalk that up again to your youth . : ) I ' m kidding of course . But , I ' m old , I ' ve seen folks I knew from a very young age . I ' ve known lots of people , some of them have ended up in prison , some have even killed . And I ' ve know rapists . And few of those who turned out to do those things were monsters . I knew a guy in high school , who always seem to laugh a bit too much when he drove the boat to close to pick me up in my skis . I met a girl who knew him in college . She showed me the scar where he accidently ran over her with a ski boat . I could believe her . I got drunk on the beach with another friend and we met some girls . Later at the motel they were frantic , one had lost her purse . My friend showed it to me on the way back the next morning . I heard at a reunion he was in prison for aggravated robbery . I could believe it . I worked on a ranch who talked about women like they were animals , or toys or not to be considered like men , they were to be fooled and lied to and ' sexed ' with . He felt angry when they refused , used to go into rages . Another , female , worker there told me he raped her , she showed me the bruises on her arms . I could believe her . If you read the accounts of BC by others , there are many accounts , his life has been thoroughly researched , there are hundreds of interviews with those who knew him through the years . If you read those accounts , and you think that maybe one / tenth of them have some truth . And then you listen to Juanita Broaddrick . . . I can believe her . 090721 00001 aggeiser - 03 : 10am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90837 ) } 00002 *And then there is the view " A marginalized Washington is not such a bad thing . " Anyone honestly holding that view would not even bother posting on topics about Washington politics . That view would hold that what is actually going on at the level of the states is more important to discuss than the Presidency or Congress . The states could also be discussed here . How different are dealing with welfare could be discussed here . Or how different states are dealing with any national issue . . education . . . abortion . . . crime . . . anything . 090722 00001 gzyn1 - 03 : 12am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) > 00002 Chrismctae and > 00003 Amiante } 00004 *and Hillary . You make such beautiful music . Sing a few more times your old favorite : " Stand by Your Man " . 090723 00001 aggeiser - 03 : 13am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) } 00002 *Clinton actually just held a conference with all of the nation ' s governors , in which the governors were seated in a large arrangment of diesk to face the President at the front , almost a congress of governors . I thought that event was profound in light of the near torpor in Congress . Governors were meeting with the President directly , and getting quite a bit of national news media attention . 090724 00001 chrismctae - 03 : 18am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) > 00002 gzynl : } 00003 *Easy to lump the opposition together . I don ' t know these other people , but I resent your ignorance . Why do you feel the need to " lump " opinions together . Does it make it easier for you to psychologically " button-hole " us ? What makes YOUR particular opinion unique ? NOTHING . So back off with your personal attacks . 090725 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 20am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) > 00002 agge , aggeiser 2 / 28 / 99 3 : 04am } 00003 *Well , I basically agree with you . I have two points really . I do agree with you that the conservatives are at a very low point in terms of message and leadership . I agree and am extremely disappointed in that . Second , I don ' t wish to spend the next two years bemoaning Clinton ' s lack of character . HOWEVER , I do think he ' s a tremendous disgrace and should resign , though that would be best for the democrats , it ' s also best for the nation . Since he won ' t resign , I also don ' t think we should just treat him like no one cares about his abuse . If he stays , I think he should be greatly ' marginalized ' Shunned would not be too strong for me . But I don ' t think we should just sit back and yell at each other . I ' ll post an article by Mary Matlin next , that I think makes some good points . Many that I agree with . . Hope it will fit in my next post . I apologize in advance for taking up the screen space , but it makes your point too . 090726 00001 aggeiser - 03 : 21am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) } 00002 *The tactic of addressing " the other party " rather than specific members gets many people who have their personal feelings caught up in their notions very unnerved . But anyone who throws all of their thinking into little incidents that are lifted off the tabloids and are usually not meaningful is bound to get unnerved . Al Gore looks " wooden " as a tactic . He ' s quite good at turning wooden to his foes . Instead of teflon , he ' s just unmoving on those occasions . But Gore chooses speeches where he becomes angry very carefully . And he will . 090727 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 22am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) } 00002 *TIME MAGAZINE FEBRUARY 22 , 1999 VOL . 153 NO . 7 How I ' d Whip the Democrats BY MARY MATALIN After a solid year of scum--a soiled blue dress , a scheme to buy silence , witness intimidation , and lies , lies , lies--you might think Bill Clinton would be ready to get back to doing his job . But you would be wrong . According to the New York Times , our cigar-abusing , bongo-thumping President plans to celebrate the Senate ' s highly charitable verdict by launching " an all-out offensive to knock off his foes . " It ' s not enough for this self-absorbed wretch to defile the nation ' s highest office . Now he ' s dragging his whole party into the muck . And amazingly , Democrats are buying into the Big Creep ' s definition of victory : three-quarters of the country believe he is untrustworthy and lacking ethical standards , and they ' re popping corks . Party leaders are united in defense of this man--their guiding principles of moral and legal relativity have been elevated to an art form ( one standard for liberal Presidents , another for everyone else ) . The politics of personal destruction that they invented ( with attacks on Robert Bork , Clarence Thomas , et al . ) has , on Clinton ' s behalf , been perfected by pornographers and private eyes . In short , as the millennium elections approach , Democrats represent the party of degradation , double talk , double standards and political destruction . Buoyed by their odd conception of victory , they are launching Operation Perpetual Impeachment , targeting outspoken presidential critics for political extinction in 2000 . For Republicans the temptation to do battle with them--for retribution , validation , vindication--will be enormous . But the G . O . P . needs to resist taking this bait and return to fighting over big issues , not small men . Republicans can safely resume their rightful role as agenda setters and not worry about the latest cynical Clintonite " war , " because the new offensive is doomed . These pathological partisans must have battle fatigue , because they have devised a strategy based on three grave political miscalculations : No troops . The voters are reeling . In the immortal words of Richard Douglas Llamas , the Senate impeachment heckler , " Good God Almighty . . . get it over with . " No battlefields . The most outspoken Republican targets are from outspokenly Republican districts ; they would be strung up had they not pushed for impeachment . No general . In presidential races issues flow down from the top of the ticket . Is Al Gore really going to wave the bloody impeachment shirt , reminding voters of complicity in this most ethically challenged Administration ? The Republicans ' proble 090728 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 23am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) } 00002 *SPECIAL REPORT : LEGACY OF A SCANDAL FEBRUARY 22 , 1999 VOL . 153 NO . 7 How I ' d Whip the Democrats BY MARY MATALIN ( CONT " D ) The Republicans ' problem is the lack of a coherent , unifying agenda . The G . O . P . was founded on a bedrock philosophy in 1854 : maximum individual liberty supported by a protective but not paternalistic government . Policies that flowed from this philosophy--from abolition to antitotalitarianism to rational distribution of wealth--united the party and made America great . These were huge issues . But for the past half-decade we have unified around the smallest imaginable issue : Clinton . Yet it is Clinton who provides the G . O . P . with its best opportunity to regain its bearing . He has set up a classic confrontation by reopening the era of Big Government . His 1999 State of the Union address previewed 81 new tax increases . With breathtaking paternalism and condescension , he wagged his finger at a postspeech pep-rally audience and declared , " I guess we could return the surplus to you and hope you ' ll spend it right . " This is the stuff of great debate . Polls show that when it comes to taxes , the public now trusts Clinton more than it does the G . O . P . --a sign of how far we have fallen . But the Republican Party is on the right side of history . Let the debate begin . 090729 00001 aggeiser - 03 : 25am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) } 00002 *Clinton has shown that nothing will cause him to resign . He ' s not going to . I ' d be very glad to see Gore in the Presidency right now . I don ' t believe it ' s going to happen . And I don ' t think it ' s worth my time to hope for it . 090730 00001 paulany - 03 : 29am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) > 00002 D-fendr : } 00003 *I interpreted the quote to mean BC ' s current friends . Of course , we can all look back at people we knew for a summer , or a year , and not be surprised by what path lives have taken . I ' m rather surprised that you would define any of those on your list as having been your " friend " rather than acquaintance . So who are these people who say BC could very well be a rapist ? Now , not " friends , " but people who have had some small contact with him ? And maybe not convivial contact ? I can ' t rely on the perspicacity ( had to look that one up - so old , the mind ' s going ) of such people . 090731 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 32am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) > 00002 agge : } 00003 *re : " The states could also be discussed here . How different are dealing with welfare could be discussed here . Or how different states are dealing with any national issue . . education . . . abortion . . . crime . . . anything . " } 00004 *Well , stick around , we do touch on those , sometimes at length , it ' s not always screaming and yelling . . But , in my defense , this forum started and continued in the " Clinton Scandals " topic , impeachment , etc . . . so , it tends to continue to be the main topic . I ' m gettin a bit tired of it too . But it seems as soon as I weary , the topic of Clinton ' s scandals shows itself similar to what someone once said about maintaining cynicism : " it ' s just so hard to keep up " 090732 00001 aggeiser - 03 : 33am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) } 00002 *To Mary Matilin ' s article : The G . O . P created Prohibition . That was the beginning of the G . O . P we know today . It has nothing to do with the 1854 Republican Party . Now there ' s an example of a Republican liar . That ' s whyRepuiblicans aren ' t worth having a direction discussion with . The Republican Party is nearly as far from that group of people who got together in a schoolhouse in Ripon Wisconsin as is possible . Taft stated during his first and second campaigns for President that he did not believe in the Trinity . He was a Unitarian . The Democratic Party was the home of Christian Fundamentalists at that time , and they helped to bury Taft by calling him an atheist over and over again . And that was the end of that Republican Party . Gone . Never to be seen again . 090733 00001 chrismctae - 03 : 39am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90820 ) } 00002 *Funny how men need this individual recognition . . . in all walks of life . And how women are supposed to accept being lumped together . Does the word " assinine " ever come to mind to you people ? Or is it just me ? ( Maybe I ' m " on the rag " and just being annoying ) . You purport to fight for women like Bimbo Supreme Lewinsky , but do a verbal version of aggravated assault on women who don ' t defend her dillusional butt ( remember . . . the butt she flashed . . . how low can she go ? . . . not quite Miss Innocence 1998 ) . The truth here is that men will play their games . Verbally as well as psychologically . And win . To ask feminists ( or any other thinking women who for their own misguided reasons refuse to accept that this is a male world ) to support idiots allowing themselves to be used as media sex toys in the propaganda game is assinine . Bending over and flashing ass and crying on cue is . . . SURPRISE . . . NOT of much use to feminists . It validates the viewpoints of the alarming number of psychotic males in this forum who are using this episode to fuel their own anti-female hysteria . Maybe the commercials were right . . . but it ' s not the " engagement ring " . . . and not even commitment ( although , being happily married for 27 years , I don ' t know ) ; it ' s the idea of actually interacting with the opposite sex . . . that sets the " fear factor " out the window . And , perhaps , sets off responses like those I ' ve seen in this forum . 090734 00001 aggeiser - 03 : 40am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *Prohibitions in all sorts of new forms is primarily what the Republican Party has been about for the past 80 years . That is the Republican Party of today . The only bill in Congress that has made a news so far this year is a bill by Strom Thurmond that would have a label removed from wine bottles that tells people wine can be healthy , and there ' s also would be a three hundred percent tax on sale of wine . Conservative Republicans have been willing to make coalitions with liberals on bannings of things liberals don ' t like . It gets confusing , what is being banned next . . . 090735 00001 aggeiser - 03 : 42am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 chrismctae} 00003 *What women pols do you like ? 090736 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 42am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 paulany , } 00003 *Two of those I mentioned were quite close friends . Childhood buds . It shocked me at the time when the one showed me the purse . I was truly surprised , I couldn ' t have imagined him doing that , it just didn ' t fit . He was surprised that I was surprised , he thought it was funny . Quite a normal guy in all other respects , and after he saw my seriousness and that I wouldn ' t continue on without trying to return it , he apologized and we continued as friends . I think he hid that side from me from then on , but it didn ' t surprise me later that he was arrested as a thief . I ' ve known drunks too . I remember a co-worker that missed two important meetings and looked hung-over . Not too big a deal at the time . But within a few years his life was in a shambles due to booze . Little flaws grow into big ones unless they are changed . People sometimes think folks are either all monsters or all ' good guys . ' Most folks lie in between . And , if you have a lot of friends right now , likely some of them have hidden lives . If some of them surprise you with an offhand comment that shows a side revealing something that surprises you , think about it . Now , I ' m not comparing the two , please , posters , don ' t misunderstand me , but Ted Bundy is a good , though extreme , example . Charm and personality do not correlate into character . Purple rages , disrepect , using women , unable to control one ' s actions , lying over and over again , thinking one should not be held accountable like others are . . these are signs . 090737 00001 d-fendr - 03 : 53am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 agge , } 00003 *Though the leaders in congress have let us down incredibly , these are the principles of conservatisms : a strong defense , a small central government , personal responsibility instead of government nannies , minimum taxes to provide for government services - not to redistribute the wealth . Self reliance , equal access to economic opportunity . Rewarding accomplishment and excellence in all fields . Taking care of each other instead of empowering the government . These principles have been core to conservatives for some time , they have been promoted by the Republicans more than democrats , but only too briefly , and certainly not recently . 090738 00001 paulany - 03 : 57am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 Defend ' r : } 00003 *We all know that BC has engaged in innumerable extramarital episodes , e . g . , one-night stands . I will even allow that BC may not be able to control this particular aspect of his personality , in the same way that an alcoholic cannot control his consumption of alcohol . But I would be hard put to go from there to accusing him of rape . I ' ve always thought that the high school concept of " scoring " with women continued till death in most men ' s heads . Even if men condemn such behavior later in their lives , I think an element of envy lurks somewhere in their psychological netherworlds . This sort of envy is often revealed in the humor of late-night comedy . There ' s always a lot of truth in humor . If you really want to know what a society is about , listen to their comedians . 090739 00001 d-fendr - 04 : 01am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 paulany , } 00003 *some , maybe even most , men never grow up , but some do . our leaders should be picked from the latter group . 090740 00001 d-fendr - 04 : 04am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 paulany , } 00003 *We ' ll just have to disagree about our feelings of what Bill is capable of . Maybe we can agree that it ' s at least a close call . I must give my keyboard a rest . Nice to see you again . Glad you got addicted to the forum . Take care . . g ' night all who remain . . . peace . 090741 00001 gzyn1 - 04 : 08am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 chrismctae 2 / 28 / 99 3 : 39am } 00003 *Lumping together is what feminism is all about . Feminists are a tiny marginal group . Feminists lump all women together . Feminist appoint themselves as leaders of all women , lumped together . Then feminists lump all men together . And spout all sorts of drivel about what men , lumped together , do to women , lumped together . 090742 00001 chrismctae - 04 : 10am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *There are no liberals left in politics . Just " middle of the road " or " right . " The media turned the 60s into a joke for a reason . Can ' t face the music again and win commercially . It was a political reason as well . 60s people became too scary . Didn ' t want to sell out . Life is happier now . . . life is now SUVs , belly-packs , and " Freedom Rock . " We lost . Want a clue to Clinton ' s backers ? We knew he inhaled . . . but we now face drug tests on the job , too , so we understand his denial . And some of us just back it even if we don ' t get high . It ' s an attitude thing . There are the Johnsons and the Creeps . . . too many people have become " creeps . " And the law has become a nasty little " jail work force " game . And we ' re supposed to be worried about the bimbos the GOP trumps up against Clinton . I worry more about the creeps making money off poor religious fanatics who can barely afford to eat sending them everything but their first-born grandchild in the name of some bogus fast-lane-to-heaven scheme . Don ' t disregard this . . . I ' ve worked with too many people in this mind-set Seem far afield of the subject . . . not quite . This is about the GOP . . . backers of most of the God-scam purveyors . Creeps extraordinaire ! Interventionists into EVERYONE ' s personal life ( Using it politically for the first time in a big way . ) This country was founded on freedom . Not puritanical ideals couched in " isms . " Liberal used to define us as a nation . Not " special interest group . " And , certainly , not something as deadly backwards as " conservative . " No , I ' m not a dreaded Democrat . . . I ' m actually a Republican . In the TRUE sense of the Republic 090743 00001 paulany - 04 : 18am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 Defend ' r : } 00003 *Couldn ' t agree with you more about our leaders being chosen from the latter , assuming our leaders must be chosen from the men-pool . However , this isn ' t what initiated this debate . The debate was concerning remarks about " friends " of BC who felt him capable of rape . It ' s a big jump . In another sense , I ' m not sure I do agree with any non-criminal , private sexual behavior standards for those who seek the Presidency . JFK had a mistress , not to mention the Marilyn Monroe stuff . French leaders have mistresses . I think this has to be a moral decision and not a political one . The Republican Party is now too much related to the Christian right-wing so that their moral pronouncements are not only hypocritical , but suspect , to people like myself . Your earlier description of Republican values didn ' t incorporate this moral aspect currently espoused by a faction of your party . That , of course , is where the Republicans are in trouble . What about a gay president ? When we start of require that public officials share our own private sexual morality , we run into trouble , don ' t you think ? Chismctae : I understand your anger and where you ' re coming from . Night all . I ' m from the East Coast . Another groggy day ahead . . . . 090744 00001 chrismctae - 04 : 21am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 gzynol } 00003 *Give it up . I don ' t speak for you . . . DON ' T pretend to speak for me . Your end of the court has already dropped to its knees , curtsied , and sucked up to everything male . I don ' t want to hear any more of your sell-out nonsense . I work too damned hard . I love my child too damned much . And I work at my relationship with my husband . Sell-outs are the last thing I need to hear about . Cutesy-poo elsewhere , thank you . And take your anti-feminist crap with you . Anti-feminist IS anti-woman . THINK ! 090745 00001 gzyn1 - 04 : 28am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 chrismctae 2 / 28 / 99 4 : 10am } 00003 *Sixties liberalism was a stupid joke . We are all supposed to drop out and join communes ? Yeah right . The communes didn ' t last six months . We are all supposed to turn on to hard mind bending drugs ? Yeah right . After their first experiment , people went straight to phsyco wards . We are all supposed to show non-conformism by conforming to the exactly identical dress standards ? Everbody must wear Levi jeans , no exceptions . Drab blue color , no exceptions . Long hair , no exceptions . Scandals , no exceptions . 090746 00001 gzyn1 - 04 : 35am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 chrismctae 2 / 28 / 99 4 : 21am } 00003 *Anti-feminism is anti-lumping-people-together . 090747 00001 gzyn1 - 04 : 40am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 chrismctae 2 / 28 / 99 4 : 21am } 00003 *Anti-feminism is anti-telling-other-people-how-to-live . 090748 00001 gzyn1 - 04 : 45am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 chrismctae 2 / 28 / 99 4 : 21am } 00003 *Anti-feminism is anti-I ' m-holier-than-thou . 090749 00001 donetta1 - 04 : 45am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *President Abraham Lincoln : FOUR SCORE AND SEVEN YEARS . . . Bill J . Clinton , The Squalid , Cowardly Little Grifter From Hope : KIYOSS IYOT . OH , KIYOSS IYOT ! 090750 00001 scooter236 - 05 : 32am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *To > 00003 Mary Matalin : } 00004 *Why do you waste your time even talking to these brain dead lefty ' s . They are nothing but jealous that they don ' t have a DNA sample of their own , [we know from whom] . 090751 00001 limonta - 06 : 06am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 Frankly , I ' d say that the president is the victim of his own sins , but because of him is why Monica is going to become so rich with all those books , interviews , etc . I believe she shoud pay all the legal fees the president is facing now . Because his disgrace is due to her big mouth and tempting lips . If Monica agrees with my idea , she will prove to the world that she really cares for other people in her life . 090752 00001 macintosh1b - 06 : 19am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *Their is no impeachment aftermath in the minds of those who have the heart and mind for this great country . WJC has been impeached in their minds and the agenda of those who think otherwise lives on with a false victory . 090753 00001 halmbrown - 06 : 22am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 limonta , } 00003 *I haven ' t read your posts here before , so I don ' t know whether you ' re right or left but I must say , regardless of politics , your idea that Monica pay Bill ' s legal fees now that she ' s going to be rolling in dough is one of the first new ideas I ' ve read here in a long time . True love ? We ' ll see . When Bill is unemployed in two years , divorced and bankrupt and trying to live on speaker fees , while Hillary makes headlines as a freshman NY senator , who knows ? 090754 00001 halmbrown - 06 : 25am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *A Great Country is great because of its people and their collective beliefs , not because of the greatness of their leader at any given time . 090755 00001 macintosh1b - 06 : 35am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 halmbrown , } 00003 *Good statement , what were the collective beliefs of the people back in 1992 ? 090756 00001 halmbrown - 06 : 45am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *generally , the majority seems to believe in the Bill of Rights , the " Golden Rule , and the Preamble to the Constitution . . . sometimes a bare majority , unfortunately . Unfortunately , many people are still greedy bigots . Partisan politics doesn ' t define a country nor does the result of any election where let ' s face it , the differences between candidates aren ' t as great as they always seem . It ' s not like we have one party running Stalin and the other running Ghandi . 090757 00001 limonta - 06 : 49am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 halmbrown , } 00003 *I do like President Clinton and I feel sorry for his impeachment , which was the weapon used by the corrupted accusers in Capitol Hill to assure themselves a complete victory in 2000 by trying to disgrace a very popular president . But , in my opinion , the GOP lost and they know it very well . It was a very cheap shot fired against Clinton , but it did not work in their favor . So , who is the real evil . . ? Clinton , the sinner , or the corrupted congressmen with their accusing fingers . . . ? ? I just wish someone would have reminded them about the passage in the Bible about the angry mob who was going to stone an adulteress woman to death and was saved by Jesus when He asked them if the were free of sin . . . 090758 00001 halmbrown - 06 : 53am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 limonta , } 00003 *stay on the forum , it will get lively in about a half hour as the regular morning crowd wakes up 090759 00001 halmbrown - 06 : 56am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *some of those impeachment managers would have tried to impeach Jesus for being a radical ! 090760 00001 halmbrown - 07 : 01am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *I do believe that there is a close correlation between " let he who is without sin cast the first stone " and " do undo others ' as you would have them do unto you " . 090761 00001 klamba1 - 07 : 01am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *THE CREDIBILITY OF THIS WOMAN WHO ACCUSES CLINTON OF RAPE IS EVEN BELOW ZERO . ITS ANOTHER EXTREMIST PLOY TO DISCREDIT THE PRESIDENT . GOP , START WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE YOU REPRESENT AND NOT JUST TO SATISFY YOUR OWN EGO . WHY WASTE PUBLIC TIME WHEN YOU FAILED TO IMPEACH A MOST POPULAR PRESIDENT . DO YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO ? WE ' LL SEND YOU HOME IN 2000 AS NOBODY WANTS YOUR LEADERSHIP . AND STARR WILL SOON BE DISGRACED FURTHER AND EVEN SENT TO JAIL . 090762 00001 halmbrown - 07 : 04am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 klamba , } 00003 *I agree with you 100% , but please , it ' s morning so could you restrain yourself and unlock your CAPS key . All caps is considered yelling here in cyberspace . Please b for emphasis . 090763 00001 martinhenry - 07 : 07am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *I leafed through article on Lewinsky as property in today ' s 2 / 27 " paper " . Got vaguely nauseated and had to quit . Best cure but hopeless cause would be not to buy the book , tune out the interviews and be indifferent to the products advertised . 090764 00001 wilski1 - 07 : 10am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *truly amazin ' how President Clintons sheep just keep on BAA-BAAing . Ken Starr and House managers have been vindicated with the current story of Juanita Broaddrick . Starr and managers both sat on this story with no leaks , not one , none . All leaks point to the White House ! This rape was the most horrendous of crimes against a woman and they couldn ' t use it , why ? Because the statute of limitations . Will women demand the same forum to get the truth , that they used in the Thomas / Hill hearings ? No not likely , President Clinton has already had his lawyer make a statement and just like always they really parse their words . Ya know " what the meaning of the word IS , IS . 090765 00001 halmbrown - 07 : 13am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 martinhenry , } 00003 *so , don ' t buy the book . Big deal . Buy Henry Hyde ' s memoirs instead . That ' s the way capitalism works . But I will say this , if Monica ' s book , tawdry as it may be , tells the absolutely unvarnished truth from her perspective , it will become an instant historic document just like the Pentagon Papers or the transcript of the Nixon tapes or the Starr Report . You don ' t have to like or agree with what is published to recognize that certain books need to be written . 090766 00001 halmbrown - 07 : 18am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 wilskil , } 00003 *if the Broaddrick rape allegation is true , it isn ' t the most horrible rape in the history of crimes against women . there are many Democrats , probably the majority , who find Clinton ' s behavior with women reprehensible - even if only half the allegations are true . I ' ve said this so many times , but it seems like the right-wingers on the board just delight in painting all Democrats as apologists for Clinton ' s behavior with certain women . 090767 00001 dlampson1 - 07 : 19am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *As a faithful reader of the Times , I am begining to wonder if stupidity has become an essential prerequisite for those who write for the Times . Francis X . Cline ' s article of today , The Scandal Lives On , demonstrates a total lack of comprehension of why the scandals continue . Its simply the nature of William Jefferson Clinton to be involved in scandalous conduct continously . Yes , Mr . Cline . It is plural , " scandals " not " scandal " . 090768 00001 halmbrown - 07 : 22am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 going out , back in 30 090769 00001 joetiernan - 07 : 33am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *I hope I ' m correct but it seems like the NYT ' s webmasters have taken off those silly bold quotes that posters were allowed to add to their names . If so , bravo . They were getting more and more foolish and eating up a lot of space that should be there for fresh comments . Carry on . 090770 00001 wilski1 - 07 : 38am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 halmbrown } 00003 *What other crime in K . Starr ' s report was more repugnant to you ? Don ' t you think that , then , Attorney General W . J . Clinton should present himself and all records concerning his run for govenor ? 090771 00001 cgordf - 07 : 40am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 dlampson1 } 00003 *You appear to have missed the whole point of Crane ' s essay ! Scandals do not continue merely because someone does something others consider scandalous . It takes a lot of voyeurs , busybodies and gossips ( like you ? ) to keep a scandal alive . Crane ' s point was that this story is beginning to resemble a " toxic waste dump of fetid ingredients . . " and that the gossips do not recognize their own " death rattle " . 090772 00001 wilski1 - 07 : 43am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *Sorry sorry > 00003 klamba . } 00004 *Seems J . Broaddrick ' s roomate at the hotel saw the condition she was in which gives her a whole bunch more credibilty than the finger waving liar that occupies the white house . 090773 00001 davidregan1 - 07 : 45am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *Where o where have the feminist ' s gone ? O where , o where can they be ? > 00003 wilskil1 . . . } 00004 *Not so loud . You might wake up klamba1 090774 00001 wilski1 - 07 : 50am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *I would still like to know if women will demand the same forum they used in the Thomas / Hill inquiry ? Will women want to find the truth ? Will K . Starr go to jail ? Janet Reno and K . Starr both have to explain themselves to the three judge panel . Wager that K . Starr wins that one also . 090775 00001 bendaud - 08 : 03am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 brazz . . . } 00003 *The Broderick matter puts this in a light where the usual apologists like NOW and other shameful organizations will not be able to brush it away . This President has proven that like in banana republics , a leader can get away eith much much more than John Q Public . 090776 00001 roger660 - 08 : 14am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *The Juanita story is going to fade away . The public and the mainstream responsible media know there are too many doubts to give this credibility . She waited 21 years , she couldn ' t remember the date , she swore under oath earlier that it didn ' t happen etc . . . The crazies will keep it alive in the scandal sheets and sleaze tabloids , along with the other nutty stories about smuggling dope , 12-year-old " love " children , murdering Vincent Foster . On the same page will be yarns about UFO abductions , Elvis sightings and alien autopsies . 090777 00001 republicanok - 08 : 27am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 halm : } 00003 *Good morning . Could you explain further your statement } 00004 * " ...... it isn ' t the most horrible rape in the history of crime against women " } 00005 *My interpretation is that if Clinton did indeed rape Mrs . Broaddrick we shouldn ' t be too hard on him because there have been more horrible rapes ! Is that the impression you want to leave ? Again apologizing / defending the actions of the FIRST POKER ? 090778 00001 halmbrown - 08 : 30am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 roger , } 00003 *I seems like The Free Republic has sent over some reinforcements to augment the depleted right wing forces here on the morning Liberal Forum Fest . Same old agruments , reducing us to the same old responses . The only new idea this morning came from a poster I didn ' t recognize who suggested that Monica might use some of her new found wealth to help bail out her " ex " financially . What would the right wing make of that expression of love ? I am about to be kicked off the form by my wife who wants to get on eBay . It tends to be fresher than this forum . 090779 00001 halmbrown - 08 : 32am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 * " ...... it isn ' t the most horrible rape in the history of crime against women " > 00003 republicanok . . . } 00004 *assuming it is true . . . } 00005 *I don ' t like rating the severity of rapes . . . in fact . . . I don ' t want to get into it on a Sunday morning . All rape is bad . Okay . Some are more brutal than others . Some end up as rape murders . 090780 00001 halmbrown - 08 : 35am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *That ' s all from me as I owe my wife some PC time for herself . 090781 00001 joetiernan - 08 : 35am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 * " Enough already . Rape is only sex . " That ' s the best post of the week . 090782 00001 boowhite - 08 : 38am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *I feel that the scandal will never go away as long as President Clinton still is in the White House . I personally believed that Rape story in the NBC which is aired last week , more credible due to the habit and pattern of President Clinton to deceived ladies into his harlem . Thanks 090783 00001 billwelch2 - 08 : 42am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *As one who recently changed his voter registration from democrat to republican , I can say not all democrats wanted to keep scum in the white house . As one whose long ago and far away military record was a good one with accelerated promotions an honorable discharge , the failed charges brought against me for refusal to follow a scum ' s order , and my being disciplined for criticizing Nixon are evidence I would not serve in harm ' s way under Clinton . I ' d take a court martial first . My command of the English language is considerable , and my success is indicative of some personal skills and probably more ability to influence others , but I have to confess that I simply don ' t have sufficient command of English to express my contempt for those who claim they do not support the behavior but do support Clint the president . For the most part and with remarkably few exceptions , these are the same people who in recent years claimed that " the personal is political " in running some republican senator out for pinching an ass here and there and in taking the bloom off Supreme Court Justice Uncle Tom Thomas ' s appointment , and whose pysychological twins thirty years ago attacked returning soldiers with rotten fruit and called them baby killers . They demonstrated in the streets over thirty years that we are what we SAY , let alone what we do . Then they change their minds over a filthy criminal scum like the white trash Arkansian , Clint . This sort of person is no better than what they defend . These are the verbal gymnasts who can ' t do anything but are always a half-step ahead of the curve talking their way out of hard decisions into physical and emotional safety of maintaining options . I ' ve done what I could in my life to wreak havoc among this group , particularly the women since they are the easiest and most ready to believe what they want rather than what is , and if ever there was a temptation to repent , it vanished completely during the period in which American rabble disgraced their nation supporting behavior that is one hell of a lot more depraved than the words reprehensible can convey , and I do not mean screwing a jap hustler ; I mean holding an entire nation hostage to his behaviors . I have nothing but contempt for the right . I am absolutely opposed to an across the board tax break despite being in a position to reap from it , and I support single payer national health care , etc . as every other civilized nation has . But I ' ll be God damned if I give another dime to any but local charities or ever vote for another democrat president until Clint is denounced by that party . I ' ve NEVER voted for a republican national candidate and rarely vote for local or state ones , but I ' d rather be with people whose views I disagree with but whose character I can depend on . In a notebook many years ago in different circumstances I made a note : " Beware the tyranny of the weak . " Well folks , that is what we ' re seeing today . 090784 00001 joshjon - 08 : 45am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *So the right wing Nazi in Texas has been found guilty in the dragging case . Now when is the right wing angel of persecution in Washington going to be judged for chaining our President to the back of his witch hunt with Tripp tape and attempting to drag him to death before our very eyes ...... 090785 00001 billwelch2 - 08 : 57am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 In re : joshjon # 90784 } 00003 *Your crowd are the ones who cried ' the personal is political ' when it suited them . I never agreed with bringing charges up twenty years late , and I never agreed with allowing harassment charges to be brought without first submitting a timely complaint , but your crowd are the ones who made these exrescences possilbe , and your crowd were the first to disown your stated beliefs . Your crowd lends an entirely new dementian to the word hypocrite . Deal with it , boy . 090786 00001 supkis - 09 : 00am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *Goood Morningggggg America ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Today ' s topic for discussion : Is Clinton a dirty hippie or is he a typical frat rat ? There are so many permutations to this question along with the question : Is G . Bush Jr . a frat rat or is he a frat rat ? Then we must consider : Is Libby Dole a liberated feminist or is she a Southern Belle who is a liberated feminist ? Then we can go into the wonderful topic of : is sex a rape if you scream 20 years later ? On with the tag team mud fest ! 090787 00001 supkis - 09 : 01am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *The GOP always considered the personal political which is why they always meddle into what we eat or drink or screw except if it is addictive tobacco then they don ' t give a fig . 090788 00001 cypherpunks79 - 09 : 07am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) > 00002 Yasuoka-san } 00003 *for New York Times editor-in-chief ! Banzai ! ! ! Pedophile Bill Clinton raped Chelsea too 090789 00001 rglisson - 09 : 12am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90819 ) } 00002 *And , > 00003 joshjon , } 00004 *apropos of your comments on Starr , I might also observe that WJC and his supporters ( like the American Bar Assn , which like other WJC enablers has now changed its tune ) are the ones who insisted on keeping the Independent Counsel Act in force despite repeated protests that it gave too much discretion , etc . That was while WJC & Co . mistakenly believed that it would only be used to nail *their* political enemies . Now the shoe is on the other foot . Excesses of Walsh and others were ignored ; now we hear outrageous comparisons to brutal murderers . Bill , I can understand your frustration . I am glad that some democrats have realized the problems with supporting this man . I can ' t agree with you on some issues ( having experienced the NHS in Britain ) and I tend toward the Libertarian myself . BUT , that being said , it is absolutely essential that our leaders have good character , whichever political party we support . And even if a person supports every tenet of the national democratic party platform , what use is it to support a person who talks a good game but never delivers ? WJC has promised everything to everybody , but when you look closely at what he has actually *done* , as often as not he has betrayed the principles of the party he supposedly supports , purely for his own expedient purposes . For many years I was in John Lewis ' s district , and respected him for his honesty ( even sent him money in a tough campaign ) although I disagreed with his views on almost every issue . But he too has been dragged down into dishonesty and hypocrisy in his attempts to support WJC at all costs . This man ' s character is rubbing off on those who surround and support him . 090790 00001 webuck1926 - 09 : 12am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) } 00002 *Good morning all . Why all the knashing of teeth about this latest supposed example of WJC cupidity . No matter what comes out , be it a rumor , a lie or true the right-wingers will believe it because they thrive on sex , innuendo , false claims and just plain calumny against our great President Bill Clinton . Now on the other hand our left-wingers , a phrase I abhor , will not believe anything like that because they put reason and much forethought to what they hear . It is very understandable and known to be fact that the enemies of WJC will stoop to anything to bring him down . So no amount of rhetoric or protestations will change anyones mind . Calling folks horrible names be they WJC or your fellow posters here will accomplish nothing but alienation between opposite sides so any thought of reconciliation is impossible . So let us , as the famous beating victim in LA said , " get along " . It is fine and dandy to have opposing views but let us use truth , reasonableness and fairplay carry the day . Bye . 090791 00001 ebetts2 - 09 : 13am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) } 00002 *Hardcore right-wing Republican Judge David Sentelle , who appointed Kenneth Starr as the " Whitewater " Independent Counsel after having lunch with fundamentalist kook Senator Jesse Helms and former Senator Lauch Faircloth , is stepping back into the Starr situation again , trying to halt the Justice Department ' s investigation of Starr ' s obvious wrongdoing . Sentelle , a crooked Federal Judge whose right-wing agenda permeates every decision he makes , is apparently terrified of the facts that Justice ' s investigation will uncover , including the fact that his wife was given a job in Senator Faircloth ' s office immediately after Starr was appointed , and the fact that former Independent Counsel Robert Fiske was fired for no reason other than the fact that he was not a hard-right partisan Republican whose primary mission in life was to bring down Bill Clinton . Cheer Up Everyone ! ! ! There are only 314 days left until these Puke Faced Republicans in Congress finally receive their just desserts and are relegated to the trash heap of history . 090792 00001 billwelch2 - 09 : 13am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) > 00002 In re : Supkis , §§090787 } 00003 *This is my last post here this morning , so you are going to have the last word , but I challenge you to name an instance other than abortion where republicans " meddle " into private lives . I agree they used to want too much control , and democrats , my old party were for individual freedoms . But since Nixon the worm has turned . Even as a democrat I never supported allowing harassment charges to be brought without first filing a timely complaint , I never supported " the personal is political " and some of the hypocrisies of my late party were actually embarrassing . Again , it was democrats , my sistren mostly , who went after the repub senator , Bork , Thomas , and christ knows how many others for their personal lives . So again , you tell me an instance when republicans did this . Be clear that until about August I had no thoughts about leaving the democratic party despite its descent in recent years into hysterical revisionism and hypocrisies that would embarass most five year olds . I still intend to support choice in abortion and ALL the things I did as a democrat . Only now I ' m going to do it in forums of grownups instead of hysterical victim-chicers and forty year old children . I ' ve already been offered a plan to advance in the local republican party . As always , my best to you . Good morning . 090793 00001 tboucher4 - 09 : 14am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) > 00002 billwelch2 } 00003 *Thanks for your fresh comments . We probably disagree on most issues . We seem to agree that character comes first . As a target of that rotten fruit ( the spit wasn ' t a very pleasant experience either ) a long time ago , I ' ll carry that memory forever . Now that I ' m no longer required to keep my mouth shut , I take great joy in exposing this slime for what they are . 090794 00001 bruce_blosser - 09 : 14am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) } 00002 *I can not see how dragging the Viet Namn war , or for that matter , the whole 60 ' s period , into the discussion about Clinton , has any relevence . Bill Clinton is a politician . . . a good politician . . . and like ALL politicians , he has skeletons in his closet . . . some of his are just not so decayed ! Instead of Whitewater , Starr should have investigated the deplorable state of the environment in Arkansas . . . . but chicken crap floating in the creeks and rivers of Arkansas just would not make the " grand inquisitor , " look quite so rightious to his fellow far right nut cases , who think the environmental issue is just a fake . From the time of Jefferson until now , power , greed , and money have been the only things that grease palms in Washington . . . if we start casting stones , the whole tipsey glass house of our supposed Democracy tumbles into a shambles of lies and hipocracy . 090795 00001 supkis - 09 : 15am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) } 00002 *Message to Bill Welsh : you don ' t fool us . If you are so steamed about steamy sex in high places , the last place you would go if you are for democratic things except sex , is the GOP . They aint ' exactly " pure virgin wool " themselves , so fleeing to THEM for refuge from sex is like jumping into the ocean to escape a swimming pool on a ship . So let us be real here . You write this stuff because you hope to confuse people , not because you believe in anything . 090796 00001 rglisson - 09 : 19am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) } 00002 *If this is all just rumor and innuendo , why is Tom Harkin covering his bets ? And why is the White House response just a " modified limited hangout " ? Just wondering . 090797 00001 rglisson - 09 : 26am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) > 00002 boucher & bill } 00003 * ( if you ' re still here ) : I agree that the conduct of folks re the war in ' Nam is relevant here , because as Bill observed it ' s the same people modifying their supposedly deeply held beliefs , depending on whose ox is gored . My first exposure to that behavior made a profound impression on me . I was on my way back from Hawaii and changed planes in LA . Wound up sitting next to a guy , not any older than I , who was back from his tour and had been set upon in the LA airport by a bunch of protesters . As I helped him try to clean up his uniform , I was struck for the first time by the unthinking meanness of the people who would do this to a kid who had been drafted and was trying to serve his country . I had been a typical non-involved but vaguely anti-war college kid up to that point . And I have always been wary of the radicals ever since . 090798 00001 supkis - 09 : 27am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) } 00002 *The real question is who on earth will ever run for President if they have to live like this ? We killed Princess Di , hounding her literally to death , and now we have switched to other targets , but this rampant prying and poking makes life impossible for any human . I think that 99% of what we know about Clinton reflects the 99% we were NOT shown of other people who tried to lead us . Mercifully we were ignorant of all the temptations and accomodations previous leaders had . For example , the FBI illegally tapped and spied on Martin Luther King and they tried to use the dirty stuff they uncovered to shame and humiliate him . Hoover wasn ' t allowed to do this , luckily . But then Hoover had a shameful secret life which was hidden from us . . . see how this dynamic works ? 090799 00001 cypherpunks79 - 09 : 29am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) > 00002 Yasuoka-san } 00003 *for New York Times editor-in-chief ! Banzai ! ! ! Bill Clinton asked Monica Lewinsky to teach Chelsea to give him bl0w j0bs properly . 090800 00001 supkis - 09 : 31am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) } 00002 *I have heard this obviously fake story about protesters in airports attacking Vets . I wonder where this urban legend came from . I ran dozens and dozens of protests against the war and I was the advisor for the " Vietnam Vets Against the War " in SF and we never had demonstrations at airports , indeed , my group went to where soldiers were discharged to help them adjust to America and to help them , for a great number were in alot of either rage or distress or were drug addicts . Indeed , all vets were not only welcome , but loved by many of us . There were hostile people who would violently attack ME and they might get more than they expected , but never ever did I or my colleages attack anyone , we were PEACEFUL . 090801 00001 rglisson - 09 : 34am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) > 00002 supkis , } 00003 *I ' m glad to hear that you didn ' t engage in such behavior . But since I saw the poor guy all messed up , SOMEBODY was behaving that way in the LA airport . Unless , of course , you think it ' s possible that he messed up his own uniform in order to gain sympathy from whomever he might meet on his connecting flight . . . ? ? ? ? 090802 00001 tboucher4 - 09 : 35am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) > 00002 rglisson } 00003 *Happened to me in Philly and Newark . At the time , uniform was required to fly military standby . If you were to look at where those slime balls are today , you ' d find them running our universities , the media and on this forum . In typical liberal fashion , they call it irrelevant . 090803 00001 tboucher4 - 09 : 41am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) > 00002 supkis } 00003 *You ' re an idiot . 090804 00001 rglisson - 09 : 41am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) > 00002 tboucher , } 00003 *Bummer . On both counts . 090805 00001 supkis - 09 : 41am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90816 ) } 00002 *When did this happen ? I really find this story wierd . I can imagine that individuals got into fights , but to blame demonstrators for it is crazy since WE were the ones beaten up or killed by vicious cops and belligerent men who hated " hippies " . 090806 00001 macer235 - 09 : 42am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90815 ) } 00002 *GREAT QUOTE + Democratic advantage in Electoral Votes : " Is he running for my gynecologist ? Why does he call for federal intervention in my uterus ? " --wife of columnist Rob Morse , quoted in San Francisco Examiner after listening to Right-to-Lifer Gary Bauer . Here ' s a good joke : California Republicans ran Right-to-Lifer Lundgren for governor recently and lost by twenty points . Mr . Ethics , who also posed as a law and order man , had $200 , 000 in unspent contributions which he never returned to the GOP after having his head handed to him . It just goes to prove : Watch out for these moral monopoly types . By the way , California has 20 percent of the Electoral College vote . The Right-to-Life , Innuendo and Hearsay Party ( morally those two attriubtes go together ) hasn ' t a prayer in California . Nice handicap for the GOP , eh ? Jerry Falwell types don ' t play well with the more sophisticated voters there . As for polls , remember that the Clinton-haters tend to be overly concentrated in the Bible Belt . To win 65 percent to 35 percent in Georgia won ' t make up for losing 52 percent to 48 percent in Michigan , for example . I ' d say NY state and California already belong to the Democrats . We ' ll assume Texas for the Republicans , who get the Bible Belt and the South . 090807 00001 butler5555 - 09 : 43am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90815 ) } 00002 *Hypocrisy is one of the favorite words on the forum . I ' ve used it myself . Let me suggest that it ' s use to dramatize positions formerly -- but not currently -- held is incorrect . One cannot assume , therefore , that people who may have let loose on Justice Thomas , that Oregon senator whose name escapes me , and others still believe what they believed then . One cannot also assume that they , in fact , did let loose on the naughty fellas . We have a tendency to assume that the individual with whom we ' re arguing holds a whole set of beliefs they may not hold . We might consider asking them what they believe first . For example , I knew it was wrong when Walsh announced the Weinberger indictments a few days before Election Day 1992 . I agreed with George Bush ' s claim he had been wronged . But , I didn ' t protest it as much as I should have . 090808 00001 kwisatz63 - 09 : 45am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90815 ) } 00002 *What remains after the impeachment trial ? What remains is a Democrat party that is satisfied to have denied the GOP a victory ( at any cost ) , but angry and worried that they had to defend a cad , Bill Clinton , and his not-worthy-of-impeachment acts of perjury , obstruction of justice , adultry , lieing to the American people on live TV , in the process . A bitter-sweet victory for both Dems and GOP . 090809 00001 dhd5cornell - 09 : 46am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90815 ) } 00002 *Libs : " Bite your tongue . He ' s on OUR team ! ! ! ! " 090810 00001 rglisson - 09 : 47am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90815 ) } 00002 *Well , have a good morning , all . Off to choir practice . Late already . See ya later . 090811 00001 davidregan1 - 09 : 49am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90815 ) } 00002 *Where o where have the feminist ' s gone ? O where , o where can they be ? > 00003 supkis} 00004 * . . . These sexual allegations on the left and the right have always bugged me and I question all of them mainly based on the accused and his reputation . So with that in mind , since we are talking about Billy , this would not suprise me . But if you are going to be objective you would have to admit that the feminists really have egg on their faces . Throughout the 80 ' s the democratic party employed this division of their party to go after senators , supreme court nominee ' s and cabinet appointment ' s in the republican party . All the accused had far less of a degree of wrong doing involved in their allegations and were run out of town not because of the evidence but for the accusation alone . I really think that this should be the starting point in this argument because it ' s a fact and it ' s hard to discuss it with anybody ( not neccesarily yourself ) that won ' t admit to it . 090812 00001 macer235 - 09 : 52am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90815 ) > 00002 rlisson : } 00003 * " And I have always been wary of the radicals ever since . " I gotta agree with you there , but I apply in to the right and left , which is why I hate this impeachment , hearsay and innuendo stuff and have gained more respect for the Democrats than I had in the past when they were dominated by their left radicals . The Dems seem to be the true centrist party while the Republicans are the party of extremism . ( See my next post on California for an illustration ) . Radicals are radicals . Although I opposed the Viet Nam War for strategic reasons , I detested the SDS types who claimed to possess a moral monopoly . They ideologized the enemy and equated My Lay ( sp ? ) --an unplanned massacre produced by combat stress with the well-planned massacre of thousands in Hue ( which they brushed off as anti-communist fantasy ) . The behavior you described is exactly what happens when we get self-appointed moralists in charge--a black-and-white point of view . In the struggle that follows , anything goes . That brings us back to the present , where the extreme right is following the same manichaeistic approach to democracy . I detest these guys for the same reason I detested the SDS , the Weathermen , the Symbionese Liberation Army . I have to agree that Vietnam has no relevance to current events except in so far as the anti-Clinton crowd resembles the anti-Viet Nam war crowd in many respects . 090813 00001 joetiernan - 09 : 53am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90815 ) } 00002 *Enough already . Rape is only sex . 090814 00001 kwisatz63 - 09 : 53am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90815 ) } 00002 *As for the feminists , they have reluctantly admitted that even a misogynist and sexual predator is worthy of their support as long as he is a liberal and favors abortion . Me thinks that the Dems , and their hypocritical ilk of special interest groups , will suffer in the long haul . 090815 00001 butler5555 - 09 : 57am Feb 28 , 1999 EST ( of 90815 ) } 00002 *I think we can all agree that throwing fruit at soldiers is not nice . I don ' t remember it to be a problem when I was flying military standby in the late 60 ' s . Whatever happened -- or didn ' t happen , must have taken place in the 70 ' s . I think had somebody thrown something at me at the time , I might have kicked his ass -- especially if he were a little guy . Of course , today I ' d call the cops . BTW , where were the cops when this was going on ? And , given what soldiers and marines went through during the war , this would seem minor , eh ? +++