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Meeting of the Parliament Meeting of the Parliament Tuesday 15 January 2019 Session 5 © Parliamentary copyright. Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Information on the Scottish Parliament’s copyright policy can be found on the website - www.parliament.scot or by contacting Public Information on 0131 348 5000 Tuesday 15 January 2019 CONTENTS Col. TIME FOR REFLECTION ....................................................................................................................................... 1 TOPICAL QUESTION TIME ................................................................................................................................... 3 Prison Population.......................................................................................................................................... 3 Rent and Mortgage Arrears (Support) .......................................................................................................... 8 CARBON-NEUTRAL ECONOMY (JUST TRANSITION) ............................................................................................ 12 Motion moved—[Roseanna Cunningham]. Amendment moved—[Maurice Golden]. Amendment moved—[Claudia Beamish]. Amendment moved—[Mark Ruskell]. The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Roseanna Cunningham .... 12 Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con ....................................................................................................... 17 Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab .................................................................................................... 20 Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green ............................................................................................ 24 Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD ........................................................................................................... 26 Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP .................................................................................................. 29 Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con .......................................................................................... 32 Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP ......................................................................... 34 Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab ............................................................................................ 36 Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP ...................................................................................................... 39 Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con ......................................................................................... 41 Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP ...................................................................................................... 44 Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con ............................................................................... 47 Dr Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP ........................................................................................... 49 Keith Brown (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP .............................................................................. 51 Mark Ruskel ................................................................................................................................................ 54 Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab ................................................................................................. 57 Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con ............................................................................................. 60 The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Economy and Fair Work (Derek Mackay .......................................... 63 BUSINESS MOTION ........................................................................................................................................... 69 Motion moved—[Graeme Dey]—and agreed to. PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU MOTION ................................................................................................................... 70 Motion moved—[Graeme Dey]. DECISION TIME ................................................................................................................................................ 71 PAISLEY .......................................................................................................................................................... 78 Motion debated—[George Adam]. George Adam (Paisley) (SNP ..................................................................................................................... 78 Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con.......................................................................................................... 80 Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab ................................................................................................................. 82 Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP ............................................................................................ 84 The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Graeme Dey ...................................................... 86 1 15 JANUARY 2019 2 ultimately be most valuable in what we can offer. Scottish Parliament This is where humane and enlightened public service to others leads us—to where the Tuesday 15 January 2019 vulnerable and the less powerful require our support and agency to enable them to live fuller [The Presiding Officer opened the meeting at and more hopeful lives. 14:00] Today is a crucial day in our national political life. In the potential uncertainties of the months Time for Reflection that lie ahead, may you be enabled in your endeavours through this Parliament to work with The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh): Good courage and wisdom in your vocational task of afternoon. Our first item of business today is time walking shoulder to shoulder with the people of for reflection. Our time for reflection leader is the Scotland. May God bless you all. Rev Wilhelmina Nesbitt, rector of St John the Evangelist church in Greenock. The Rev Wilhelmina Nesbitt (Rector, St John the Evangelist Church, Greenock): Presiding Officer, members of the Scottish Parliament, thank you for the invitation to be here. In the town of Greenock, where I live and work, we have a well-known viewpoint called Lyle Hill. From the top of Lyle Hill, you can overlook the Firth of Clyde and look across to the islands and the hills beyond. It is a beautiful and uplifting sight, even on the many rainy days that we get in Greenock. However, although I often stop on Lyle Hill during my rounds to enjoy the views, the time always comes to go back down to where my fellow people are and to get back to work. In Christian tradition, even Jesus Christ himself could not stay on the mount of transfiguration enjoying God’s glory but had to return to where people were in need of his service and his love. His mission was to walk shoulder to shoulder with others, especially the exploited and voiceless. In our little Episcopal church congregation, as many of the other Greenock churches do, we try to model that practical care in our community involvement. Our hall is given over to Compassionate Inverclyde, which provides a place for the lonely and bereaved to meet for food and friendship and a trained listening ear if needed. We offer support to Mind Mosaic, a charity that takes under its wing young people from toddlers to teenagers, putting their lives back together again after abuse, family break-up or mental illness. Similarly, we support Starter Packs Inverclyde, where families and single people are referred so that they can be equipped with basic housekeeping necessities when they make a new start in a flat or house after being homeless or out of work. We try to walk with our fellow creatures through the rough times. Sometimes, those of us who have the privilege to lead others also have more opportunities to enjoy the uplifting views from the hilltop of that privileged position but, actually, it is down on the level, side by side with our fellow men, women and children of every condition, where we can 3 15 JANUARY 2019 4 Topical Question Time Humza Yousaf: Let me in turn thank Liam McArthur for the general tone of his question. I know that he takes the issue seriously. Around the chamber there is quite a lot of consensus that we 14:03 do not want the highest imprisonment rate in Prison Population western Europe—it is not a statistic to be proud of. 1. Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD): To There are complex reasons for the rise in the ask the Scottish Government what its projections prison population—one relates to the types of are for the prison population, in light of statistics offences that we see, for example. There are more showing that the majority are at or above capacity. and more sexual offences coming to our courts, (S5T-01435) and more people are being found guilty and going into our prisons. There are a number of reasons The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Humza for that, which I will not go into. However, the Yousaf): After a number of years of relative behaviour of the judiciary must also be taken into stability, the average prison population has account. For people who are given long increased over the past year. Scotland currently sentences—particularly life sentences—the has the highest imprisonment rate in western punishment part is now substantially longer than it Europe, with around 144 per 100,000 of
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