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Oral History Recording ORAL HISTORY RECORDING ACCESSION NUMBER: S01652 TITLE: LEN WATERS, ABORIGINAL FIGHTER PILOT INTERVIEWEE: LEN WATERS INTERVIEWER: KEN LLEWELYN RAAF PR. RECORDING DATE: 12 JUNE 1993 RECORDING LOCATION: TOWNSVILLE TRAVELODGE SUMMARY: TRANSCRIBER: DIANA NELSON TRANSCRIPTION DATE: BEGIN TAPE 1 SIDE A Identification: This is an interview with Aboriginal fighter pilot, Len Waters, on 12 June 1993 at the Townsville Travelodge during the tour of the RAAF War Memorial Dakota. Len, you've got this magnificently carved egg in your hands. Can you tell me something about it? Yes. Years ago I was on Old Toomelah Mission Station, near Boomi, in north-western New South Wales. On the station was an old fellow called Frank Woods. Now, he really fascinated me, this man, the way he used to do his work. He did arts and crafts of all sorts but the way he did his eggs was something unreal. He used to break wine bottles just to clear the mottled part of the egg off first and then he'd get the old black mussel shells and do the carving with that. He actually used to sculpt with those and, some of the stuff that he did, they would be really priceless today. Initially, Len, where do you get the emu eggs from? Naturally, you get them from emu nests in the bush. They lay from about the first week in May up until about the end of June; it all depends on the seasons. Sometimes if you get good summer rains they might start a little bit earlier than that, probably the third week in April but you can see if there is a pair of emus together or you might just see one - mostly a hen - and she will be skirting around, going around in a circle and you get the idea then that she has already laid the eggs and, as a lot of people might not realise, the cock bird does the hatching and she feeds him while he's on the nest. How long does it take you to carve one of these eggs with all these beautiful variety of colours you've got in it? Normally it takes from a week anything up to two weeks but very seldom you can do them in less than a week because there are several colours in them and the way I do them and the way that this old man used to do them they weren't just etched as you see a lot of people do them today but I sculpt mine and actually carve them and you'll get anything up to about seven different colours or different layers in each shell. I guess sometimes you must break the odd one. That is for sure and certain. Last year at the Opal Festival in Cunnamulla I made two and I was mounting them in an oval sort of an arch but all the time I used to have to keep whittling away, whittling away and getting a perfect fit and unfortunately I was sitting at the top of my stairs and I knew that I was very close to getting it to fit completely and unfortunately one of my neighbours came up just as I just about had it ready to mount. He's had a couple of strokes 1 and I couldn't understand completely what he was talking about. I got a bit impatient and I went to force the egg through and it slipped straight through the arch and just rolled down the steps and, naturally, it was shattered by the time it hit the bottom of the stairs. It must have been heartbreaking. It sure was because I could have got at least $200 for it. Len, you also carved .... In the background there we've got a beautiful billiard cue which you've put together and also a silky oak walking stick. They take approximately the same amount of time to do. I have made myself an old wood turning lathe out of scrap that I found at the dump one day. I've got a little electric motor that I set up and I turned most of the stuff down on those and then I do the whittling part, the carving part, after that. That's done with a small pocket knife. As a matter of fact I'll show you the pocket knife afterwards. I have been using it now for about forty-three or forty-four years so there's not much of the blades left on it. How did you manage to get the billiard cue so straight? That's what I said. I've made this little makeshift wood-turning lathe and I've got an electric motor to turn it over and naturally it comes out completely straight. That two piece one that I've got there I drill the centre out on the lathe and turn it out on the inside doing more or less the same way. Len, can you tell us something about your early life? Going back to where I was actually born, I was born on a little mission station. It's actually between Boomi and Moree on the Whelan Creek in the Moree Plains area. They call it the Kamilaroi area. I was about four year old when we left there and we went on to another mission station, a reserve, at old Toomelah which is on the Goondiwindi side of Boomi. We were there at that place until 1931. When I was about seven year old we moved from there. My father was a hard worker. He used to shear and do bush work and everything like that. He had started a lot of work over on the Queensland side of the border around Nindigully and St George, all up the Moonee area, and he finished up borrowing a truck and he moved the family across in 1931 to this place at Nindigully. We more or less went to school there from then on until I was thirteen years and nine months old when I finally left school. My family, Mum and Dad, they reared about eight of us during the Depression and I sort of grew up before my age and thought that .... When Dad had his bush working team at that time - he had a ringbarking team and a fencing team and he used to go away shearing himself - and then there were about twelve or fifteen men working for Dad at the time in the bush working gangs. Jim, my brother, and I, who later on joined up with me on the same day in August 1942, we left school and decided to give Mum and Dad a hand to rear the rest of the family. Our family amounted to ... there was eleven kids altogether - eight boys and three girls, so we 2 actually grew up before our time sort of thing. We just wanted to give them a hand because they'd reared us in those days. One of your schoolteachers was very keen on you continuing your schooling, wasn't he? Yes, he actually begged my mother and my mother actually begged me not to leave school. He used to come to our home at night and tutor me at least twice a week and he told my mother that he could get me a bursary or a scholarship to go to a Church of England Grammar School in Brisbane. He even said to Mum, 'You realise you might even have a Rhodes scholar in your family'. What were your first jobs, Len, after leaving school at such an early age? Well, as I said, we went just ringbarking and fencing; that's all we did. And then as we got a little bit older we went into the shearing sheds and did shed work like rousabouting. Actually I was learning to shear when I joined up and that was in .... I started to learn to shear in 1939 and I .... Can you remember the first moment when you were fascinated by flight? Not really, but I grew up in the era when the skies were being explored. There was Amy Johnston[?], Kingsford-Smith, Bert Hinkler, Lindbergh and Jean Batten in New Zealand. When other kids were making toy - this was when I was only about eight or nine years of age - other kids were playing with ordinary toys, I'd be making model planes and flying kites. I always, as people have said and it has been mentioned before this in interviews that I had, had my head in the clouds. Unfortunately it took a world war for me to realise my ambition but fortunately for me I did do that. Len, when you went to the Recruiting Office what did they recommend? What trade did they think you should enter, for example? When we went away Jim and I - we both enlisted on the same day - and on the troop train that went down from Dirranbandi, out in the south-west of Queensland, and there was several - there could have been anything up to 200 boys, you could say, because that's all we were in those days - on that train. We were all collected from Roma Street and taken to the Exhibition Ground in Brisbane. Jim, my brother, had told me that he had made up his mind to join the Army because he idolised grandfather Bennett[?]. That was Mum's father who, incidentally, served in the first world war and finished up being gassed in the Somme. He, in fact, was at Gallipoli, wasn't he? 3 He was reinforcement at Gallipoli, yes.
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