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PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT GENERAL COMMITTEES Public Bill Committee VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY AND AVIATION BILL First Sitting Tuesday 14 March 2017 (Morning) CONTENTS Programme motion agreed to. Written evidence (Reporting to the House) motion agreed to. Motion to sit in private agreed to. Examination of witnesses. Adjourned till this day at Two o’clock. PBC (Bill 143) 2016 - 2017 No proofs can be supplied. Corrections that Members suggest for the final version of the report should be clearly marked in a copy of the report—not telephoned—and must be received in the Editor’s Room, House of Commons, not later than Saturday 18 March 2017 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2017 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 1 Public Bill Committee14 MARCH 2017 Vehicle Technology and Aviation Bill 2 The Committee consisted of the following Members: Chairs: †JAMES GRAY,JOAN RYAN † Baker, Mr Steve (Wycombe) (Con) † Malthouse, Kit (North West Hampshire) (Con) † Brown, Alan (Kilmarnock and Loudoun) (SNP) † Marris, Rob (Wolverhampton South West) (Lab) † Burden, Richard (Birmingham, Northfield) (Lab) † Matheson, Christian (City of Chester) (Lab) † Doyle-Price, Jackie (Thurrock) (Con) † Prentis, Victoria (Banbury) (Con) † Foxcroft, Vicky (Lewisham, Deptford) (Lab) † Selous, Andrew (South West Bedfordshire) (Con) † Fuller, Richard (Bedford) (Con) † Snell, Gareth (Stoke-on-Trent Central) (Lab/Co-op) † Hayes, Mr John (Minister of State, Department for Stewart, Iain (Milton Keynes South) (Con) Transport) † Tugendhat, Tom (Tonbridge and Malling) (Con) † Hendry, Drew (Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey) (SNP) Ben Williams, Farrah Bhatti, Committee Clerks † Knight, Sir Greg (East Yorkshire) (Con) † McDonald, Andy (Middlesbrough) (Lab) † attended the Committee Witnesses David Williams, Chair, Automated Driving Insurers Group David Wong, Senior Technology and Innovation Manager, Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders Steve Gooding, Director, RAC Foundation Denis Naberezhnykh, Head of ULEVs and Energy, Transport Research Laboratory Marcus Stewart, Head of Energy Insights, National Grid Robert Evans, Chair of UKEVSE (and CEO of Cenex), UK Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment Association Quentin Willson, motoring journalist 3 Public Bill CommitteeHOUSE OF COMMONS Vehicle Technology and Aviation Bill 4 (3) proceedings on consideration of the Bill in Committee Public Bill Committee shall be taken in the following order: Clauses 1 to 16; Schedules 1 and 2; Clause 17; Schedules 3 and 4; Clauses 18 to 24; Schedule 5; Clauses 25 to 27; new Clauses; new Schedules; Tuesday 14 March 2017 remaining proceedings on the Bill; (4) the proceedings shall (so far as not previously concluded) (Morning) be brought to a conclusion at 5.00 pm on Thursday 23 March.— (Mr John Hayes.) [JAMES GRAY in the Chair] The Chair: The deadline for amendments to be considered for the first sitting where the Bill will be scrutinised line Vehicle Technology and Aviation Bill by line was rise of the House yesterday. The next deadline will be rise of the House on Thursday for 9.25 am amendments to be considered in the Committee’s sittings The Chair: Before we start the formal business, I next Tuesday. welcome you all to the first sitting of the Vehicle Technology Resolved, and Aviation Bill Committee. I want to establish a few That, subject to the discretion of the Chair, any written evidence ground rules. First, I tend towards the more traditional received by the Committee shall be reported to the House for form of chairing, so anyone seen drinking coffee or publication.—(Mr John Hayes.) speaking into the telephone will be ticked off roundly. I do not really mean it; I sound more ferocious than I The Chair: Copies of written evidence that the Committee really am, but none the less I will be ferocious about it has received are available in the room. all and take such things incredibly seriously. Resolved, We have two or three formal matters to consider, and That, at this and any subsequent meeting at which oral evidence then we will go into the business of allocating questions is to be heard, the Committee shall sit in private until the before we bring the public in. Technically speaking, we witnesses are admitted.—(Mr John Hayes.) have to bring the public in and throw them out again, but that seems to me to be a bit back to front, so we will 9.27 am try to avoid that. Let us crack on with the formal The Committee deliberated in private. motions. Ordered, Examination of Witnesses That— David Williams, David Wong, Steve Gooding and Denis (1) the Committee shall (in addition to its first meeting at 9.25 Naberezhnykh gave evidence. am on Tuesday 14 March) meet— (a) at 2.00 pm on Tuesday 14 March; 9.37 am (b) at 11.30 am and 2.00 pm on Thursday 16 March; Q1 The Chair: Let me welcome and thank our four (c) at 9.25 am and 2.00 pm on Tuesday 21 March; witnesses for the first panel. I will let you know that the (d) at 11.30 am and 2.00 pm on Thursday 23 March; first panel must end at precisely 10.25 of the clock, and (2) the Committee shall hear oral evidence on Tuesday 14 if you are in the middle of a sentence you will stop March in accordance with the following Table: talking at precisely 10.25, because those are the rules of TABLE engagement. Time Witness I remind members of the Committee that they may ask questions on any subject, so long as they are within Until no later than 10.25 am Automated Driving Insurers the context of the Bill; they will not be allowed to ask Group; Society of Motor any questions outside that context. Manufacturers and Traders; RAC Foundation; TRL First, I ask our four witnesses to introduce themselves Until no later than 11.25 am National Grid; UK Electric briefly for the record, starting with Mr Wong. Vehicle Supply Equipment David Wong: I am David Wong. I run the technology Association; Quentin Willson, and innovation portfolio at the Society of Motor motoring journalist Manufacturers and Traders, the UK automotive industry Until no later than 3.00 pm The Institute of the Motor trade body.I cover areas such as connecting autonomous Industry; Downstream Fuel vehicles, ultra low emission vehicles, and digital innovation Association; Association of and mobility innovation in design engineering. Convenience Stores Denis Naberezhnykh: I am Denis Naberezhnykh. I Until no later than 3.45 pm Association of British Insurers; Centre for am head of ultra low emission vehicles and energy at Connected and Autonomous Transport Research Laboratory, and I oversee all our Vehicles work on electric vehicles, low-emission vehicles, charging Until no later than 4.30 pm Civil Aviation Authority; infrastructure and related topics. Association of British Travel Steve Gooding: I am Steve Gooding. I am the director Agents of the Royal Automobile Club Foundation for Motoring, Until no later than 5.30 pm British Airlines Pilots which is a small think-tank devoted to research into Association; Metropolitan motoring and motoring issues, as well as into roads and Police; National Police Air road use. Some Committee members will have come Services; UK Flight Safety Committee across me in my guise two years ago as a member of the board of the Department for Transport. 5 Public Bill Committee14 MARCH 2017 Vehicle Technology and Aviation Bill 6 David Williams: I am David Williams. I am technical David Wong: The SMMT supports the principles director for Axa Insurance. We are involved in three of underpinning the Bill, and we welcome its provisions. In the Government-backed consortia looking into driverless particular,we think this is the right time for the Government cars: Venturer, Flourish and UK Autodrive. I am also to further encourage the take up of ultra low emissions chair of the Association of British Insurers autonomous vehicles and pave the way towards the deployment of driving insurance group. autonomous vehicles. This relates to the insurance framework that is set out in the Bill. The Chair: Many thanks to all of you. We have quite What we would like to see more of in the Bill is a lot of business to get through, so may I ask that both greater clarity—perhaps going forward in secondary questions and answers be relatively brief and coherent? legislation—particularly on smart charging of electric Perhaps “coherent” is going too far, but they should vehicles. In the area of connected and autonomous brief and to the point. vehicles, certainly something on infrastructure and connectivity would have been marvellous, particularly Q2 Richard Burden (Birmingham, Northfield) (Lab): with regards to deployment of connected vehicles. Welcome. The Bill was originally being talked about colloquially as the modern transport Bill—a Bill to look at the challenges facing particularly,but not exclusively, Q3 Richard Burden: Thank you. That is very useful. road transport in the decades to come. Parts 1 and 2— The Government’s target is that all new vehicles on those dealing with road transport—focus on two main the road should be ultra low emission vehicles—zero- issues: the insurance liability of automated vehicles and emissions, in fact—by 2050. How far do you think this the provision of electric charging infrastructure by big Bill will contribute to that target? On current trends, we retailers. Do you think those are the right things for the are a long way off that target at the moment. What do Bill cover, and are there things that should be in the Bill you think are the other barriers to the take-up of ultra that are not included? low emission vehicles, or we could also say—more broadly—connected vehicles? There is quite a crossover The Chair: Who wants to go first? Not everyone has between those two agendas.