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Wednesday Volume 652 16 January 2019 No. 235 HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES (HANSARD) Wednesday 16 January 2019 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2019 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 1143 16 JANUARY 2019 1144 12. Marion Fellows (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP): House of Commons What recent discussions he has had with the Home Secretary on the potential effect on Scotland of UK Wednesday 16 January 2019 immigration policy after the UK leaves the EU. [908517] 14. Drew Hendry (Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and The House met at half-past Eleven o’clock Strathspey) (SNP): What recent discussions he has had with the Home Secretary on the potential effect on PRAYERS Scotland of UK immigration policy after the UK leaves the EU. [908519] [MR SPEAKER in the Chair] The Secretary of State for Scotland (David Mundell): This has been a momentous week for Andy Murray, so I Speaker’s Statement am sure you will agree, Mr Speaker, that it is appropriate that at this Scottish questions we acknowledge in this Mr Speaker: Order. Colleagues will no doubt have House Andy’s extraordinary contribution to British seen a number of images taken by Members of scenes in sport, and his personal resilience and courage, and the Division Lobby last night. I would like to remind all express our hope that we will once again see Andy Murray colleagues that, as the recently issued guide to the rules on court. of behaviour and courtesies of the House makes explicitly I am in regular contact with the Home Secretary on a clear, Members range of issues of importance to Scotland, including “must not use any device to take photographs, film or make audio future immigration policy after the UK leaves the European recordings in or around the Chamber.” Union. I well understand that yesterday’s events were exciting and that these days manypeople regularly take photographs, Mr Speaker: Apart from his enormous talent, can I which they feel compelled to share with a wider audience, agree with the Secretary of State more widely about but Members featured in these photographs have not Andy Murray? He is the embodiment of guts and given their permission, and to that extent this represents character, and the most terrific ambassador for Scotland, an invasion of privacy. I hope I have made it clear that for tennis and for sport. His mother Judy must be the this practice should cease. proudest mother in the world. Martyn Day: The Tories’ obsession with slashing immigration to the tens of thousands will see Scotland’s Oral Answers to Questions working-age population decline by 4.5%—that is 150,000 people—by 2041. Is the Secretary of State happy standing over such a policy that will cause economic harm to our country? SCOTLAND David Mundell: The hon. Gentleman does not correctly The Secretary of State was asked— characterise the situation. The immigration White Paper that this Government have set out is an undertaking to Leaving the EU: Immigration embark on a year-long engagement process across the whole UK to enable businesses and other stakeholders 1. Martyn Day (Linlithgow and East Falkirk) (SNP): to shape the final details of a post-Brexit immigration What recent discussions he has had with the Home policy and process. Secretary on the potential effect on Scotland of UK immigration policy after the UK leaves the EU. [908506] Neil Gray: May I concur, Mr Speaker, with your comments and those of the Secretary of State regarding 4. Neil Gray (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP): What recent Andy Murray? I would encourage all Members to sign discussions he has had with the Home Secretary on the my early-day motion recognising his achievements. potential effect on Scotland of UK immigration policy Immigration has been and continues to be good for after the UK leaves the EU. [908509] Scotland. Scottish Government modelling suggests that a Brexit-driven reduction in migration will see real 7. Dr Philippa Whitford (Central Ayrshire) (SNP): GDP drop by 6.2% by 2040, which has a monetary What recent discussions he has had with the Home value of about £6.8 billion and a £2 billion cost to Secretary on the potential effect on Scotland of UK Government revenue. Does the Secretary of State believe immigration policy after the UK leaves the EU. [908512] that this cost to Scotland is a price worth paying for his Government’s Brexit mess and immigration folly? 8. Deidre Brock (Edinburgh North and Leith) (SNP): What recent discussions he has had with the Home David Mundell: I do not want to end up repeating my Secretary on the potential effect on Scotland of UK first answer on seven occasions. I want to make it clear immigration policy after the UK leaves the EU. [908513] that the immigration White Paper that we have published is a consultation. It is an undertaking of a year-long 10. David Linden (Glasgow East) (SNP): What recent engagement process across the whole UK, including discussions he has had with the Home Secretary on the Scotland. I expect Scottish businesses, Scottish stakeholders potential effect on Scotland of UK immigration policy and, indeed, the Scottish Government to play an active after the UK leaves the EU. [908515] part in that process. 1145 Oral Answers 16 JANUARY 2019 Oral Answers 1146 Dr Whitford: Scrapping freedom of movement will David Mundell: I agree that EU nationals have played make recruiting staff for NHS Scotland harder. Despite an enormous part in the Scottish economy and more being paid the real living wage, lab technicians, admin widely in civic society. I want to give them certainty on staff and social care workers do not earn anywhere their position, which is why I voted for the deal last close to £30,000. So what did the Secretary of State do night. to try to convince the Home Secretary to take into account Scotland’s needs? Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South) (Con): Is the Secretary of State aware that The Times reported on 10 January David Mundell: I am not going to take any lectures on that a study conducted by one of Britain’s leading social Scotland’s needs in relation to the NHS from the hon. surveys showed that Scots do not want immigration to Lady or the SNP—a party that has put up tax in be devolved? Does he agree that that is a hammer blow Scotland such that doctors and nurses in Scotland pay to the Scottish National party’s calls and that the biggest more tax than anywhere else in the UK. danger to Scotland is the SNP’s drive towards another Deidre Brock: I was interested to hear the Secretary independence referendum, which puts people off wanting of State’s comments about Scottish businesses. CBI to come to Scotland? Scotland has said that White Paper proposals “don’t meet Scotland’s needs” and were a “sucker punch”. Is it David Mundell: It is certainly clear that the SNP does not the case that this hostile immigration policy proves something to put people off coming to Scotland. I read that the Tory Government are anti-business? last night that Boy George was going to be moving to Scotland, but the Scottish First Minister engaged with David Mundell: I am really pleased to hear the hon. him this morning, and now we hear that he is not Lady supporting the CBI, because it could not have coming. been clearer that it does not want a separate Scottish immigration policy. It wants one immigration policy for David Duguid (Banff and Buchan) (Con): Will my the whole United Kingdom, and I agree. right hon. Friend confirm that the Home Office and the David Linden: I am sorry, but this is absolutely pathetic. Government in general have been engaging and will We have an ageing population, and we need people to continue to engage with Scottish businesses on the come and look after the folk at Greenfield Park care consultation around the immigration Bill? home in my constituency, for example. The Secretary of State is out of touch. When will he get a grip and David Mundell: Yes, we will continue to engage. The understand that Scotland’s immigration needs are entirely White Paper is part of an engagement process. My hon. different from the London-centric policy pursued by Friend, who is a great champion of the fishing industry, this British Government? has already raised issues in relation not just to fishing vessels, but to fish processing. David Mundell: I well understand the issues facing Scotland, and I do not believe that it would be better Luke Graham (Ochil and South Perthshire) (Con): I served by a separate immigration policy. I also do not welcome this Government’s move to guarantee EU believe that immigration into Scotland is well served by citizens’ rights here in the UK. That is unlike the SNP in a Scottish Government who put up tax and have a poor 2014, when it threatened EU citizens that 160,000 of record on infrastructure and housing. them would be stripped of their right to remain in Marion Fellows: The policy chair of the Federation of Scotland. No unilateral guarantee was given to EU Small Businesses in Scotland has said: citizens by the SNP in 2014, but this Government are doing so now. Will my right hon. Friend clarify the “The UK Government’s obstinate approach to immigration is direct communications that this Government are having a clear threat to… local communities” with EU citizens in my constituency and elsewhere in making it Scotland to ensure that they know that they are a “nigh impossible for the vast majority of Scottish firms to” welcome and valued part of our community? get the labour and skills “they need to grow and sustain their operations.” David Mundell: The Government are not just engaging With what part of that comprehensive statement would with EU citizens, but setting out how they can proceed the Secretary of State care to disagree? in the settled status process.