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ACT Heritage Library Manuscript Collection ACT Heritage Library Manuscript Collection Engineering Heritage Canberra Professional Career Series Ken Gillespie Interviewed Wednesday 12 September 2011 HMSS 0269 Engineering Heritage Queanbeyan Age Oral History Project http://www.library.act.gov.au/find/history/search/Manuscript_Collections/professional_career_series Libraries ACT I Ph: 6205 9000 I Website: www.library.act.gov.au CD1 = 60 minutes Time Subject Proper Names & Keywords 0.00-0.60 Interview introduction. Kenneth (Ken) James Gillespie Kenneth James Gillespie of 4 Hann Street, Griffith, ACT born in Brisbane, Brisbane, Queensland Queensland on 28 June 1952. Killarney, Queensland Lived in Brisbane, then on a farm on New South Wales, Queensland border – Killarney. 0.60-5.40 Family Background – details of mother and father. Father: Albert James (Jim) Father was born in Killarney and lived and worked ‘on Gillespie the land’ in that district before World War II. After the Killarney, Queensland war he worked as a motor-trimmer. Ken describes this Acacia Creek now defunct trade. Returned to farming at Acacia Dairy Farming Creek, bordered on the border fence between Sawmilling, Central Queensland and New South Wales. Dairy farming. Koreelah, NSW Moved into New South Wales; worked at a sawmill. Skinner’s Coaches After a sawmilling accident family returned to Killarney Toowoomba, Queensland and worked for a coach company. Ran a service station Bribie Island, Queensland for in Toowoomba until retirement. Retired back to Killarney, now at Bribie Island. 5.40-8.20 Ken relates recent family gathering and reminiscences Living on the farm of the family on the farm. Relates interest in radio Radio program on the army which influenced him. Army Importance of the radio to country living. Telephone 8.20- Family Background continued – mother’s father was a Mother: Heather Nola Ross 10.30 station master, met his father in Killarney. Describes Steam Trains interest in steam trains and visiting his grandparents. Newmarket, Brisbane Recalls Newmarket, Brisbane and watching the trains go by. Mother was a bookkeeper before marriage, then a farm wife. Worked at Service Station – a partnership. 10.30- Siblings: four boys; Ken’s eldest. Describes growing up Brothers: Bill, Colin and 15.30 on the farm. Talks about closeness to his brothers, in Geoffrey particular, Geoffrey, who also went into the army. Describes Bill and Colin’s careers. Talks about Geoffrey’s army career. 15.30- Working and living on the farm – difficult times, such Farm life HMSS 0269 Engineering Heritage Queanbeyan Age Oral History Project http://www.library.act.gov.au/find/history/search/Manuscript_Collections/professional_career_series Libraries ACT I Ph: 6205 9000 I Website: www.library.act.gov.au 16.30 as drought and other issues. 16.30- Attended school over the border fence in Queensland Mountain View State School 19.45 – a two mile walk. Small school, one teacher taught Ernest L Shock three generations of Gillespie’s = grandmother, father Border Fence and Ken. Queensland and New South Describes teacher as being ‘Victorian’. Enjoyed school Wales – relates story about a parrot and having to let it go at the border fence. Border fence – tick and rabbit control. Grandfather and father worked along the border fence. 19.45- School mates – many children were related. The School Life 22.00 Gillespies settled in Warwick/Killarney area from Killarney Show 2011 Ireland in mid-1800s. Opened the Killarney Show before retiring this year. 22.00- Continues with description of attending primary and Central Koreelah State 28.20 high school; finished primary school at Inala West State School School, Brisbane and Inala State High School for years Inala West State School 8, 9 & 10, then joined the Army at age 15. Describes Inala State High School the school, its teachers and students. Difficulty with George Negus certain teacher and science subjects, especially Wayne Goss physics. 28.20- Army Apprentice School. Relates story of sporting Army Apprentice School 33.25 event and getting into the School. Joined the Army, Balcombe, Victoria travelled to Balcombe on coach to begin army life. Spent three years at the school on Port Phillip Bay. Describes barrack life as ‘rustic’. Enjoyed the boarding type school life. Problems at the school – ‘challenging environment’ – such as ‘bastardisation’. Story about insurance salesmen. Good education with a good start in life. 33.25- Vietnam war era. Colonel Max Johnson taught them Vietnam War 37.20 about respect; remembers other father figures Colonel Max Johnson including Alec Weaver. Influenced to pursue an officer Major Alec Weaver career. Describes apprenticeship training in bricklaying. Bricklaying Final year in Sydney with a civilian builder then applied Portsea, Victoria for Portsea for officer training; also had a posting order as a sapper bricklayer to Vietnam. This was the end of 1972, Whitlam in government and ended conscription. Relates difficulties for the army and the officers’ cadet school with this decision. Doesn’t regret not going to HMSS 0269 Engineering Heritage Queanbeyan Age Oral History Project http://www.library.act.gov.au/find/history/search/Manuscript_Collections/professional_career_series Libraries ACT I Ph: 6205 9000 I Website: www.library.act.gov.au Vietnam but was shaped by it. 37.20- Officers training – 12 month course. Relates the Duntroon 40.40 different ways to become an officer within the army: Portsea Duntroon, Portsea and Skyville (Western Sydney). Skyville Portsea produced infantry platoon commanders, also Married Life administration, subjects such as logic. A robust course – designed to stress students. Enjoyed the college life (graduated at 20). Describes first marriage to Kathy. 40.40- Describes civilian attachment to a builder in Sydney for Bricklaying 43.30 one year. Also relates type of work undertaken by Military Engineering bricklayers in the army – building barracks and other Sapper facilities. Now undertaken by contractors. Explains term: sapper = private in the engineers; origins from the medieval period. 43.30- Army apprentice school was about ‘building’ and Military Engineering 48.00 construction techniques; after officer training and at Civil Engineering the School of Military Engineering learned more about Royal Australian Engineers basic military engineering and civil engineering (parts A (RAE) & B) including surveying, soils, hydraulics and structures. Learned how to be a combat engineer; building equipment bridges; simple engineering tasks quickly and robustly. Needed to understand the technical engineering skills required in the Engineering Corps but also leadership and combat engineering as well. Engineers as good project managers and leadership of engineers and soldiers. 48.00- Provides an example of leadership with an engineering Leadership 54.20 exercise in Shoalwater Bay – difficulties encountered Engineering exercise and resolved by a soldier not the leaders or ‘brains Shoalwater Bay, Queensland trust’ of the regiment. Explains why this story is Problem solving significant in problem solving and good leadership. 54.20- Explains army promotion and ranking; Rivalry between Army Promotion 60.00 Portsea and Duntroon graduates; opportunities for Portsea women in the army. Describes the Womens Royal Duntroon Australian Army Corps (WRAAC) – officer training at Womens Royal Australian Georges Heights, Sydney. It disbanded in the early Army Corps (WRAAC) 1990s and women joined the Corps affiliated with at Georges Heights, Sydney that time; now training is same as men. Discusses Major General Elizabeth positive discrimination for women and women against Cosson this policy. HMSS 0269 Engineering Heritage Queanbeyan Age Oral History Project http://www.library.act.gov.au/find/history/search/Manuscript_Collections/professional_career_series Libraries ACT I Ph: 6205 9000 I Website: www.library.act.gov.au End of CD 1 CD2 = 54 minutes 0.00-4.45 School of Military Engineering – Transport Officer, then School of Military Troop Commander of sappers. Describes course. Went Engineering to Kapooka as recruit platoon commander, then Kapooka, NSW posted to Brisbane for first engineer regiment – 2nd 2nd Field Engineers, Brisbane Field Engineer Regiment. Talks about army regiments: engineering and construction tasks. Wanted to be a helicopter pilot – talked out of it. Mentions other possibilities after Portsea graduation – armour or engineer – talked out of armour and steered again towards engineers. 4.45- Description of work of 2nd Field Engineers. Made 2nd Field Engineers, Brisbane 11.10 Captain and posted as second in command of a field Kangaroo II Exercises engineers squadron (1976). Large exercise, Kangaroo 2 Shoalwater Bay – built roads, culverts, etc in Shoalwater Bay (new Leadership training area). Married with one child at that time. Annual Reports Moved to another squadron – construction. Raised Bravery another squadron – combat engineering squadron. Provided important leadership background for future career. Wrote annual reports, each soldier received an annual report/assessment = first test of bravery. 11.10- Addressed the problem of alcohol in the military. Alcoholism 22.00 Immediate post-Vietnam War era; alcohol was the only Post-Vietnam War nightly entertainment. Talks about the arrival of Major Major Doug George Doug George – a civil engineer – operations officer of Namibia the regiment. Doug “bucked the trend”. Observed unit gravitating towards Doug’s approach to alcohol. Began to professionalise the organisation and set an example, also during
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