Volume III Friday No. 8 28th April, 1961

PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES

DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES)

OFFICIAL REPORT

CONTENTS

THE DEVELOPMENT ESTIMATES, 1961- Heads 130 to 135 [Col. 775] Heads 136 to 140, 142 and 144 [Col. 827) Heads 145 to 149 [Col. 863]

EXEMPTED BUSINESS (Motion) [Col. 858]

Dl·CHETAK Dl·JABATAN CHETAK. KERAJAAN

OLEH THOR BENG CHONG, PEMANGKU PENCHETAK KERAJAAN PERSEKUTUAN TANAH MELAYU 1962

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FEDERATION OF MALAY A

DEWAN RA'AYAT (HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES) Official Report

Third Session of the First Dewan Ra'ayat

Friday, 28th April, 1961

The House met at half-past Nine o'clock a.m.

PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Speaker, DATO' HAn: MOHAMED NOAH BIN OMAR, S.P.M.J., D.P.M.B., P.I.S., J.P. the Prime Minister and Minister of External Affairs, Y.T.M. TUNKu ABDUL RAHMAN PuTRA AL-HAJ. K.o.M. (Kuala Kcdah). " the Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and Minister of Rural Development, TUN ABDUL RAZAK BIN DATO' HUSSAIN, S.M.N. (Pekan). the Minister of Internal Security and Minister of the Interior, DATO' DR. ISMAIL BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. (Johor Timor). " the Minister of Finance, ENCHE' TAN SIEW SIN, J.P. (Malacca Tengah). the Minister of Works, Posts and Telecommunications, DATO' v. T. SAMBANTHAN, P.M.N. (Sungei Siput). .. the Minister of Agriculture and Co-operatives, ENCHE' ABDUL Aziz BIN ISHAK (Kuala Langat). the Minister of Transport, ENCHE' SARDON BIN HAJI JUBIR (Pontian Utara). the Minister of Health and Social Welfare, DATO' ONG YOKE LIN, P.M.N. (Ulu Selangor). the Minister of Commerce and Industry, ENCHE' MOHAMED KHIR BIN JoHARI (Kedah Tengah). the Minister of Labour, ENCHE' BAHAMAN BIN SAMSUDIN (Kuala Pilah). the Assistant Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL HAMID KHAN BIN HA11 SAKHAWAT Au KHAN, J.M.N., J.P. (Batang Padang).. .. the Assistant Minister of Rural Development, TUAN HAJ1 ABDUL KHALID BIN AWANG OSMAN (Kota Star Utara). the Assistant Minister of Commerce and Industry, ENCHE' CHEAH THEAM SWEE (Bukit Bintaqg). .. the Assistant Minister of Labour, ENCHE' v. MANICKA· VASAGAM, J.M.N., P.J.K. (Klang). the Assistant Minister of the Interior, ENCHE' MOHAMED ISMAIL BIN MOHAMED YUSOF (Jerai). ENCHE' ABDUL GHANI BIN ISHAIC, A.M.N. (Malacca Utara). 771 28 APRIL 1961

The Honourable ENCHE' ABDUL RAUF BIN A. RAHMAN (Krian Laut). ENCHE' ABDUL SAMAD BIN OSMAN (Sungei Patani). TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN .HAJI ABDUL RAOF (Kuala Kangsar). TUAN HAJI ABDULLAH BIN HAJI MOHD. SALLEH, A.M.N., P.I.s. (Segamat Utara). TUAN HAJI AHMAD BIN ABDULLAH (Kota Bharu Hilir). ENCHE' AHMAD BIN .AR.SHAD, A.M.N. (Muar Utara). ENCHE' AHMAD BOESTAMAM (Setapak). ENCHE' AHMAD BIN MOHAMED SHAH, s.M.J. (Johore Bham Barat). TUAN HAJJ AHMAD BIN SAAID (Seberang Utara).

ENCHE' AHMAD BIN HAJI YusoF, P.J.K. (Krian Darat). TUAN HAJI AZAHARI BIN HAJI IBRAHIM (Kubang Pasu Barat}. ENCHE' AZIZ BIN ISHAK (Muar Dalam). DR. BURHANUDDIN BIN MOHD. NOOR (Besut). ENCHE' CHAN SIANG SUN (Bentong). ENCHE' CHAN SWEE Ho (Ulu Kinta). ENCHE' CHAN yOON ONN (Kampar). ENCHE' v. DAVID (Bungsar). DATIN FATIMAH BINTI HAJJ HASHIM, P.M.N. (Jitra-Padang Terap). ENCHE' GEH CHONG KEAT (Penang Utara). BNCHE' HAMZAH BIN ALANG, A.M.N. (Kapar). ENCHE' HANAFI BIN MOHD. YUNUs, A.M.N. (Kulim Utara). ENCHE' HARUN BIN ABDULLAH, A.M.N. (Baling). ENCHE' HARUN BIN PILus (Trengganu Tengah). TuAN HAJJ HASAN ADLI BIN HAJJ .AR.SHAD (Kuala Trengganu Utara). TuAN HAJI HASSAN BIN HAJJ AHMAD (Tumpat). ENCHE' HASSAN BIN MANSOR (Malacca Selatan). ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN To' MUDA HASSAN (Raub). ENCHE' HUSSEIN BIN MOHD. NOORDIN, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Parit). TuAN HAJI HUSSAIN RAHIMI BIN HAJJ SAMAN (Kota Bharu Hulu). ENCHE' IBRAHIM BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Seberang Tengah). ENCHE' ISMAIL BIN IDRIS (Penang Selatan). ENCHE' KANG KOCK SENG (Batu Pahat). ENCHE' K. KARAM SINGH (Damansara). Clrn' KHADIJAH BINTI MOHD. SIDEK (Dungun). ENCHE' LEE SAN CHOON (Kluang Utara). ENCHE' LEE SIOK YEW (Sepang). ENCHE' LIM Joo KONG (Alor Star). ENCHE' LIM KEAN SIEW (Dato Kramat). DR. LIM SWEE AUN, J.P. (Larut. Se1atan). ENCHE' LIU YOONG PENG (Rawang). 773 28 APRIL 1961 774

The Honourable ENCHE' T. MAHIMA SINGH, J.P. (Port Dickson). ENCHE' MOHAMED ABBAS BIN AHMAD (Hilir Perak). ENCHE' MOHAMED ASRI BIN HAJI MUDA (Pasir Puteh). ENCHE' MOHAMED DAHARI BIN HAJI MoHD. ALI (Kuala Selangor). ENCHE' MOHAMED NOR BIN MOHD. DAHAN (Ulu Perak). DATO' MOHAMED HANIFAH BIN HAJI ABDUL GHANI, P.J.K. (Pasir Mas Hulu). ENCHE' MOHAMED SULONG BIN MOHD. ALI, J.M.N. (Lipis). ENCHE' MOHAMED YusoF BIN MAHMUD, A.M.N. (Temerloh). TUAN HAJI MoKHTAR BIN HAJI ISMAIL (Perlis Selatan). NIK MAN BIN NIK MOHAMED (Pasir Mas Hilir). ENCHE' NG ANN TECK (Batu). DATO' ONN BIN JA'AFAR, D.K., D.P.M.J. (Kuala Trengganu Selatan). ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Tanah Merah). ENCHE' OTHMAN BIN ABDULLAH (Perlis Utara). TUAN HAJI REDZA BIN HA.Tl MOHD. SAID (Rembau-Tampin). ENCHE' SEAH TENG NGIAB (Muar Pantai). ENCHE' s. P. SEENIVASAGAM (Menglembu). TuAN SYED EsA BIN ALWEE, J.M.N., s.M.J., P.I.s. (Batu Pahat Dalam). TUAN SYED HASHIM BIN SYED AJAM, A.M.N., P.J.K. (Sabak Bernam). ENCHE' TAN CHENG BEE, J.P. (Bagan). ENCHE' TAN PHOCK KIN (Tanjong). ENCHE' TAN TYE CHEK (Kulim-Bandar Bahru). DATO' TEOH CHZE CHONG, D.P.M.J., J.P. (Segamat Selatan). ENCHE' v. VEERAPPEN (Seberang Selatan). wAN MUSTAPHA BIN HAJI ALI (Kelantan Hilir). WAN SULIAMAN BIN WAN TAM, P.J.K. (Kota Star Selatan). WAN YAHYA BIN HAJI WAN MOHAMED (Kemaman). ENCHE' YAHYA BIN HAJI AHMAD (Bagan Datoh). ENCHE' YEOH TAT BENG (Broas). ENCHE' YONG Woo MING (Sitiawan). PuAN HAJJAH ZAIN BINTI SULAIMAN, J.M.N., P.I.S. (Pontian Selatan). TUAN Hur ZAKARIA BIN HAJI MOHD. TAIB (Langat). ENcHE' ZULKIFLEE BIN MUHAMMAD (Bachok).

ABSENT:

The Honourable DATO' SULEIMAN BIN DATO' HAJI ABDUL RAHMAN, P.M.N. (Minister without Portfolio) (Muar Selatan) (on leave). the Minister of Education, ENCHE' ABDUL RAHMAN BIN HAJI TALIB (Kuantan). TUAN SYED JA'AFAR BIN HASAN ALBAR, J.M.N., Assistant Minister (Johore Tenggara). r

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The Honourable ENCHE' CHAN CHONG WEN (Kluang Selatan). ENCHB' CHIN SEE YIN (Seremban Timor). ENCHE' KHONG KOK AT .. y (Batu Gajah) . ENCHE' LEE SECK .. FUN (Tanjong Malim). ENCHE' MOHAMED BIN UJANO (Jelebu-Jempol). ENCHE' QuEK KAI DONG, J.P. (Seremban Barat). ENCHE' D. R. SEENIVASAGAM (lpoh). ENCHE' TAJUDIN BIN .. ALI, PJ.:&:. (Larut Utara). ENCHE' TAN KEE GAK (Bandar Malacca). TBNGKU INDRA PETRA IBNI SULTAN IBRAHIM, P.M.N .. . (Ulu Kelantan).

PRAYERS due to the unavoidable delay in getting the Canadian Government refrigeration (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) plants and storage depots, it has not yet been possible to implement the MOTION necessary comprehensive co-operative marketing scheme and consequently DEVELOPMENTESTIMATES, THE the fishermen are not yet able to get 1961 the maximum benefit out of their Order read for resumption of increased catches. I am, however. glad consideration of the Development Esti­ to report to the House that the first lot mates, 1961 (Command 18 of 1961), of fabricated building materials given in Committee of the whole House by the Canadian Government have (27th April, 1961). arrived in Singapore and that the work House immediately resolved itself for constructing the buildings for the into Committee. refrigeration plants and storage depots will commence shortly. A Canadian (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Engineer will arrive very soon to assist Debate resumed on Question, in the setting up of the plants and machinery. The Federation's share "That the sum of $39,103,636 for Heads 130 to 135 inclusive stand part of the towards the setting up of this compre· Development Estimates." hensive marketing scheme is estimated at $700 000. This money will be Question again proposed. . utilised for the acquisition of sites, The Minister of Agriculture and Co­ construction of concrete bases for the operatives (Enche� Abdul Aziz bin refrigerationplants and the construction Ishak): Mr. Speaker, Sir, Head 133, of quarters for the technicians and sub-head 8, Financial Assistance to watchmen, ocean freight, inland trans­ Fishing Industry, Honourable Members port and other incidental expenses. will remember that funds were pro· These funds have been included in the vided iJnder the First Year Plan to Estimates for this year. assist fishermen in the purchase of Other than the proposals in the improved boats and fishing gear. The East Coast. this Ministry has planned first phase of the Scheme was imple­ the extension of the Financial Assis· mented in the East Coast area from tance Scheme to fishermen on the Tumpat in the north to Kuantan in the West Coast. There have already been south and later the area was extended widespread requests from the fishermen southwards to Mersing. A sum of for such assistance during the past $1.25 million was loaned under this several months, but owing to the need Scheme to fishermen in these areas up of concentrating the efforts of the to the end of 1960. By the use of these limited staff • of the Division of Co­ .improved boats and gear and. better operative Development on the schemes fishing techniques, the fishermen have already at hand and on preparing the been able to get better catches; But financial assistance schemes on the 777 28 APRIL 1961 778

West Coast, no steps could be taken mechanically propelled boats and the to issue such loans to these needy inshore waters is up to 40 miles are fishermen. I am, however, happy to fully exploited. Further development report to the House that a similar lies in oceanic fishing, but here we financial assistance scheme for Kuala come up immediately against the Linggi has started and that the plan· "technological barrier" of having no ning and the preliminary work on_ trained men who could navigate the similar schemes at Kuala Sanglang, ocean, carry out deep-sea fishing and Kuala Kedah, Telok Gadong, Morib, maintain and service the engine and Kelanang, Permatang and Telok refrigeration equipment of ocean-going Kemang on the West Coast, are now fishing-boats. Thus the development of ready. From the success of the finan· the fishing industry in Malaya will cial assistance schemes achieved up to eventually be brought to a stand-still now, I am confident that the measures if we do not prepare our fishermen already taken, and to be taken by this and enable them to cross the "techno­ Ministry, are on the right lines for logical barrier" and thereby take part improving the economic and social in fruitful oceanic fishing. The fisheries conditions of the fishermen. schools, the new ocean-going fishing On fish culture, the Government vessel and the scientific researches that intends to establish an experimental are being carried out by the Fisheries station for the culture of prawns, Division of this Ministry are all cockles and oyster and it is hoped designed to enable our people to that the investigations there would rapidly cross this "technological provide useful information for those barrier". The same sort of programme interested in this particular fishery. The of work has been planned for the station will cost $112,000 when com· other technical divisions of the pleted, and work on the construction Ministry. of the experimental ponds involving Malaya is a country rich in natural an expenditure of $40,000 will begin resources and I sincerely believe that this year. Honourable Members will be with the attainment of a degree of interested to know that a 30 acre technological independence this coun­ prawn pond capitalised at $25,000 will try of ours can attain a living-standard yield a net return of over $9,000 per comparable to that of many of the year in Singapore. smaller countries in Europe. Lastly, I wish to touch on an item I now come to the Forestry Division, of minor importance. A sum of $3,350 Sir. The Second Five-Year Plan has will be required in 1961 to cover part as one of its main objectives the of the cost of new engine recently fitted improvement of the economic and into the divisional vessel M. V. social conditions of the rural Tongkol. Honourable Members of this population and the extension of the House will remember that in my recent development of forest activities is one speech on the 1961 Estimates of this of the means of achieving this. The Ministry, I stressed the importance of main task of the Forest Division, other achieving a degree of scientific and than its most important role of pro­ technological independence. The Fede­ tecting hill sides and water supplies ration of Malaya in common with during the next 5 years will be the many of the newly independent coun­ carrying out of silvicultural work for tries of the world faces great problems growing new timber crops. in its strife for a better life for its With the above programme in mind, peoples. Some of these problems are two-thirds of the money requested for purely economic in origin but there the Forest Division over the five year are others which are imposed by what period is for silviculture. The total I would term "technological barrier", provision required for siJvicultural will explain what I mean. I work for the five years is $2,900,000 In the field of Fisheries, for example out of the total development expendi· development in this country has gone ture of $5,000,000 and from this only rapidly ahead. There are now 9,000 $5,000 is required for silvicultural 779 28 APRIL 1961 780

work. This is due to unavoidable delay species at Cameron High­ in the formulation of a Federal Forest lands, Tapah Hills Forest Policy, since until it is finally decided Reserve, Pasir Puteh in where the timber growing forest area Kelantan and Dungun in is to be, it would be unwise to expend Trengganu. money for new timber crop on land (b) An expansion of the teak which might be more economically planting trials in Kedah and suitable for other development pur­ Perlis which are showing poses. such promise that it may be For a proper decision on the propor­ possible to plant this tree in tion and the areas of the acquisition those States over large areas. of Forest Land will not only require For this reclamation programme I more basic data than are available at am asking a provision of $44,000 for the moment but also the acceptance of this year. a Federal Land Use Policy which would serve as a guiding policy for It is obvious that to establish the most of the Divisions in this Ministry. plantation I have just mentioned we The acquisition of such data will be shall need access facilities. Therefore of tremendous value to this country $50,000 out of $140,000 required for since it will help the country to know the construction of roads will be spent the potentially productive land area this year to provide roads to trial which can be made available for plantations which have been esta­ agriculture. blished in the land under the control of Forest Research Institute. Malaya has been in the forefront of tropical forest research and the The testing of the timbers we pro­ publications of the Forest Research duce for purpose such as low-cost Institute are internationally well housing, cheap electric power poles, known. But we cannot afford to stand production of plywood, etc., is carried still. The staff deemed sufficient some out by Timber Research Laboratory. thirty years ago is no longer adequate To enable us to proceed further with to meet the needs of today and, even our research in this field so as to less, of those years of development enable us to know the best possible which lie ahead of us. The housing use of our local timber, additional required to maintain the new staff testing equipment is required and for must, however be put in hand forth­ this purpose a sum of $180,000 is with. And to this end a programme of sought for in 1961. staff housing which will cost $126,000 I now come to the field of livestock. this year has been prepared. last but by no means least. In view of the necessity of growing more timber for future timber needs of In the field of livestock, it can be the country and preventing the erosion seen that the bulk of the money which occurs rapidly in our country requested in the 1961 Development once the natural tree cover is removed, Estimates is for increasing the produc­ I have also examined the possibility tion of the various_ classes of livestock of using the land which has been in the rural areas. degraded by poor agricultural prac­ Many of us may not be aware that tices or by mining. As considerable the value of the livestock industry in sums of Federal money have already this country is worth over $230,000,000 been expended with encouraging and this industry helps to provide results in the trials of tree species practically all (95%) of the fresh meat which may be used to re-forest these requirements of the local population for waste lands, it is proposed that those their daily diets. In fact, you will be plantations should be extended in two surprised to know that the value of directions: livestock and poultry products (a) An extension of the present produced by our farmers and planting trials of pine tree sold locally is worth over $100,000,000

______" ______781 28 APRIL 1961 782 annually. Though this is of a con­ thousand birds. In fact some of the siderable magnitude, I have every con• larger farms produce 3,000 to 5,000 fidence that the livestock industry can eggs daily while other farms produce be developed further not only to pro· 2,000 to 3,000 birds monthly for table duce more meat, milk and eggs locally purposes. to make the Federation self-sufficient Besides encouraging the establish­ but also to raise the standard of living ment of commercial farms outside of the ra'ayats both economically and urban areas my Ministry is also now socially. With this as an objective, my encouraging the ra'ayats to produce Ministry has given priority for the further development of this primary birds for the table in larger numbers. Previously most of the ra'ayats kept industry with particular emphasis to or birds each in the backyard large scale livestock production in the 5, 10 15 and allowed the birds to survive on rural areas. whatever waste they could pick. Now It is obvious that we can attain quick it is our policy to encourage the results by tackling the smaller species ra'ayats to keep hundreds of day-old of animals and birds which multiply chicks at a time in brooders and then rapidly and as such I am giving top rear them intensively under better priority for the development of this husbandry conditions. This system is class of animals. At the same time, but getting very popular and there are now with lesser priority, the larger animals a large number of Malay youths who are being tackled. By this method, it produce 500 or more birds monthly is hoped, we would be able to attain for table purposes. To encourage our objectives by the end of the Second further, such a system of poultry Five-Year Plan. husbandry among our ra'ayats, youths from the rural areas are being trained Prior to and just immediately after in poultry husbandry and I have every the 2nd World War, there was no confidence that many more of our poultry industry in this country for farmers will be indulging in large scale large scale poultry rearing was not a production in the near future. possibility due to the ravages of Ranikhet disease. This disease which Experience has shown that our is the most dreaded disease among ra'ayats if given the proper training poultry farmers invariably killed 100 and assistance can successfully do per cent of their flocks. However, since poultry farming on a big scale and 1947, a vaccine has been produced at make a comfortable living from such our Veterinary Research Institute at an occupation. In fact some of the Ipoh to protect the birds against this ra'ayats who have started on such disease and though in that year only ventures are now. producing about 500 85,000 birds were vaccinated I am glad birds per month for the table and are to say that in 1960 over 10,300,000 or able to earn a net profit of $250 to over 30,000 birds every working day $300 a month. In this connection, I am were vaccinated against this disease. glad to say that there is at least one This is indeed very encouraging and Honourable Member in a State Legis­ now every poultry farmer appreciates lative Assembly has taken an interest in the value of the vaccine and no longer poultry rearing and is finding it not fears evil entering the birds by the only a good past time but also a very introduction of the needle into its body. ·paying proposition. His lead has been a source of encouragement to others With the advent of this vaccination, in the area to take up large scale which is done free of charge, the poultry farming seriously. poultry industry has gradually deve­ loped over the years. Moreover, I am I feel there is a great prospect for glad to say that during the last 12 to our farmers in poultry production and 18 months the poultry industry has would, therefore, like to see as many developed tremendously and there are of them as possible taking to poultry now several hundreds of large farms farming as a full time occupation. This carrying from one thousand to ten would not only give employment to 783 28 APRIL 1961 784

many in the kam.pongs but would also many �arms had been closed and we . help to raise the standard of living of were importing about 8,000 pigs our ra'ayats and also help the Federa· monthly to meet our daily require­ tion to be self-sufficient in her poultry ments. The plan to rehabilitate the and egg requirements. pig industry worked very successfully and many farmers began to take However, the main setback we have seriously pig farming again. Many of in encouraging mass poultry produc­ the old farms began to expand while tion in the kampongs is the lack of other new ones were established. To­ capital by our ra'ayats to purchase day. day we have a number of large farms old chicks in large numbers. To assist throughout the country some of which them in this, it is intended to ·operate carry as many as 500 pigs and are a Poultry Extension Scheme for which kept under good husbandry conditions. a sum of is being requested. $189,000 I understand that some of these farms This money would be used for the have been established with a capital benefit of ra'ayats in all States. of over $70,000 each. In the initial stages of the scheme ra'ayats would be encouraged to keep The nett result of this rehabilitation birds by the thousands for table pur· campaign was that by the end of 1960 poses, and later as they gain experience, the pig industry was again put on a they would be encouraged to embark sound footing and the country became on egg production as well. almost self-sufficient in its fresh pork requirements. In fact in December 1960 Part of the funds that is being made we hardly imported any pigs from available for the Poultry Extension abroad for slaughter. Scheme is also to be utilized for the development of hatcheries in the rural Now that the pig industry has again areas and the duck industry in Kedah been put on a sound footing and well and Kelantan. established it is necessary for us to develop the industry further. To achieve The pig industry has also developed this we have to produce animals which very significantly within the last are not only prolific but also bigger months. In 1957 and 1958, the pig and faster maturing than the local pigs. industry in this country suffered a For this purpose it is proposed to severe set back due to the illegal entry purchase further consignments of good of pigs into this country particularly breeding stock from abroad and distri· from Thailand. This illegal entry of bute boars to the local farmers. The pigs caused the price of live pigs, not sum requested this year is to purchase that of the pork sold in the markets, the necessary animals fpr distribution to drop tremendously and thus cause particularly to Johore, Malacca, a large number of our fanns to close Selangor, Perak and Penang. down. However, the amendment, late 1958, to the Animal Ordinance pre· This Ministry is confident that by vented any further illegal importations providing these good boars and with to take place and gave a breathing the protection and encouragement space to our farmers. But the closing given this multi-million-dollar industry down of the local farms which had will develop tremendously within the already taken place encouraged the next few years and the Federation springing up of many farms across the would again gain its position as an causeway and this caused a further exporting country. challenge which continued to . exist Besides paying particular attention until 1960 to our local pig industry. to develop the above two industries my In 1960, plans were drawn to re· Ministry is also paying particular vitalise and develop the pig industry attention to develop the goat industry so as not only to make the Federation in this country for the goat not only self-sufficient but also to recapture its provides a useful source of meat but place as an exporting country. The also provides a source of income for task was however ·a difficult one for our ra'ayats. 785 28 APRIL 1961 786

In 1960 the Federation slaughtered As a first move my Ministry is stimu­ about 86,000 goats and more than 97 lating the interest of the ra'ayats to percent of these were locally produced. raise more cattle by making available However, the demand for mutton is a market for their animals. for only tremendous and I propose to encourage when there is a good demand for their more of our farmers to keep goats not products would farmers bother to in small numbers as at present but in produce more animals. I am glad to say bigger numbers. To get this into opera- that our animals from Kedah, Perlis, tion it is proposed to operate the Kelantan and Trengganu are now "pawah" system in a big way and finding a good market and are gradu­ provide the necessary stock to our ally replacing Thai and Indonesian farmers. In the "pawah" system each animals. With this growing demand ra'ayat interested in goat breeding for local animals our farmers are now would be given 5 to 10 goats on loans encouraged to "grow.. more animals. after he has built the necessary goat. However, other than in Kedah, house and planted fodder. As these Kelantan, Perlis, Trengganu and goats rePfoduce, the ra'ayat would have Malacca, there is a scarcity of cattle to return to Government a similar and buffaloes and therefore there is number of progeny as was loaned to him considerable opportunity to develop originally. On return of rogeny to the cattle populations in these areas. the Government the stock Furthermore, even in the four northern becomes the property of the ra'ayat. states and in Malacca there are The Government then distributes the "pockets" where animals are scarce progeny received to other ra'ayats and and in these areas too more livestock the cycle continues. In this way many can be reared. To assist the ra'ayats people should benefit from the scheme in these areas and particularly in particularly in years to come. Johore, Pahang, Selangor and Perak to grow more livestock it is intended to By this scheme the ra'ayats will get operate the "pawah" breeding schemes the opportunity to ts in bigger keep goa both for cattle and buffaloes. In all numbers and after returning the first · over 2' ooo amma Is wi·11 be distn 'b uted lot for further distribution, should be under this scheme. However, though able not only of increasing the of size the lans are to distribute the animals their herds but also of selling the p particularly to the States of Johore, males for slaughter. urthermore, this F ·Negri Sembilan, Selangor, Pahang and system would enable my Ministry to Perak, where there is a sparse cattle educate the farmers to keep their popula tion, · yet th e number s tha t each s ba at animal under better hus ndry and State would receive would completely the same time assist on organizing depend on the interest shown by the marketing so that the ra'ayats would ra'ayats to develop the necessary get a fair price for their products. grazing grounds for this scheme is In this proposal to encourage goat being operated in conjunction with the and sheep breeding on a big scale development of grazing reserves. I have provision has been made to distribute a great admiration for the enthusiasm about 4,000 goats and sheep and and ability of the Kelantan ra'ayats to practically every State will benefit from rear cattle and as such provision has the scheme. With each individual been made to develop further the cattle keeping more goats, I am confident it industry in that state. will help to boost the earnings of our Besides increasing the number of ra'ayats, and at the same time provide cattle, it is also· proposed to improve more meat for our local population the quality of the local cattle and for particularly in the urban areas. this purpose Sindhi or Sindhi -cross Besides concentrating on these bulls will be distributed right from the smaller animals and birds there are inception of the schemes. In areas also schemes to develop the cattle where buffaloes will be distributed industry so as to make Malaya self· Murrah or Indian buffaloes will be sufficient in this class of livestock. placed to improve the size and quality 787 28 APRIL 1961 788

of the animals. Further · it is also and paddocks for grazing. A low cost intended to establish more artificial housing scheme for the settlers may insemination centres for improvement also be included if the settlers so of the local cattle population. desire and this colony should prove to be a model. After this colony has been For the proper development of the established it is hoped to start others cattle, buffalo and goat industries it is in the various states. essential that proper nutrition or grazing be made available for the The establishment of such a colony animals. As such schemes have been would not only enable the public to drawn to develop grazing reserves in obtain good, pure milk but with grow­ every State. To help in the ploughing ing demand for such milk would provision has been made for the encourage further the keeping of cattle purchase of implements and after the and the production of more milk. initial work the ra'ayats would have Furthermore, an increase in the quan­ to plant fodder grasses and fence the tity of milk produced can also be various reserves. expected with the proper . feeding and housing of the animals and in time Up to now this country has only genetical improvement could be concentrated in protecting birds and achieved too. animals against diseases so that as much meat and eggs can be produced Besides establishing dairy colonies, locally to supply proteins for the daily collecting centres too would be estab­ diets of the human population. How­ lished in estates and other places near ever, a very good source of protein is the colonies so that milk from these milk and it is now proposed to develop areas could be obtained to supply the this industry as well. urban areas. Milk is a first class food but as all of I have no doubt that if the plan to us know fresh milk that is available develop a string of dairy colonies locally is never produced cleanly and throughout the Federation is successful is often not wholesome. Furthermore it would go a long way to develop the the industry is so disorganised that the dairy industry in this country and help availability of fresh milk is always a to reduce imports of condensed and great difficulty especially in urban powdered milk which now amounts to areas. millions of dollars annually. At a later date increased animal production can In the Federation we have roughly only be successfully completed if it is about 85,QOO heads of cattle of the coupled with proper disease control milch type and they are mainly distri· and diagnostic facilities. As such funds buted either in the urban areas or in have been provided for extension of estates. These animals provide a good the Veterinary Research Institute and nucleus to start an organised daily for mobile laboratories in the Five­ industry and it is proposed to develop year Plan but for the present more a chain of daily colonies throughout emphasis is being placed to provide Malaya during the next five years. further facilities for disease investiga­ However, for a start the first colony tion and vaccine production. This latter will be established in Batu Arang. function is indeed an important func­ In establishing this colony it is not the tion of the Veterinary Research Insti­ intention of the Government to pur­ tute for it not only produces practically chase animals and run a Government all types of vaccines used in this farm. What in fact will be done is to country but also produces vaccines for develop a colony for the dairymen and sale to other neighbouring countries provide the necessary facilities for such as Indonesia, Singapore, Hong­ them to produce clean milk which kong, Sarawak and British North could later be pasteurised, cooled and · Borneo. sold to the public. To help in estab­ Jishing the colony it is proposed to Finally, Sir, it will thus be seen that have proper milking parlours, cattle the whole programme to build up the sheds, a dairy proper, fodder grasses livestock industry in the country has 789 28 APRIL 1961 790

been geared towards greater production mempunyai musim hujan yang tidak so that the country can attain self­ terator boleh menyebabkan tebu tidak suffi.ciency in its meat, poultry and egg manis saperti yang di-kehendaki dan requirements within the foreseeable ini akan mengurangkan basil gula foture. Further it is the policy of this daripada tebu itu. Ministry to encourage youths in the Dalam negeri Perak ada satu tempat rural areas to indulge in large scale yang nama-nya pun Gula yang dahulu poultry and livestock rearing so as to di-tanam gula, dan Tanah Jawa yang make such fanning a paying proposi­ berhampir dengan kita penanaman tion and a full time occupation. gula amat-lah banyak. Sir, I beg to move. (Applause). Jadi saya suka-lah sa-kurang2-nya bagi Kementerian Pertanian ini me­ Enche' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad mikirkan dan membuat sa-kurang2-nya (Bachok): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, agak­ untok mengetahui benar2 nilai ekonomi nya hanya Menteri ini-lah yang daripada bertanam gula dengan pan­ sunggoh2 mengemukakan ranchangan dangan hendak menjadikan negeri ini yang ia faham, dan saya menguchapkan chukup dengan diri-nya sendiri di­ banyak terima kaseh atas penerangan2- dalam perusahaan gula itu. Tuan Yang nya itu oleh kerana tujuan daripada di-Pertua, saya harap Menteri ini Kementerian ini hendak menchapai mengemukakan fikiran-nya. Tuan Yang sa-kurang2-nya kadar yang chukup di-Pertua, di-dalam menchari2 per­ bagi kepentingan tanaman negeri ini. untokan di-dalam anggaran belanjawan Maka ada satu perkara yang saya ini telah berjumpa satu peruntokan telah tunggu2, tetapi saya tidak dapat ia-itu sub-head 29 berkenaan bantuan dengar, perkara ini bukan-lah perkara kapada tanam2an dan berterima kaseh­ yang jauh sangat; tetapi boleh jadi lah saya kapada Menteri ini apabila Kementerian menetapkan suatu kaedah di-sebutkan-nya anggaran peruntokan atas menjalankan usaha2 untok me­ untok kawasan saya pula dan itu ada­ nambahkan baikkan tanaman itu. lah satu jasa baik Yang Berhormat Menteri itu. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-dalam sa-bagaimana kata Yang Berhormat beberapa Sub-head yang ada di-sini Menteri itu bahawa di-Pantai Timor tennasok sub-head yang mengenai daripada awal Kelantan sampai hujong chara2 dan ranchangan2 mengelokkan Tumpat banyak tanah2 kosong yang tanaman2 negeri ini. Sa-tahu saya gula belum di-ketahui bagaimana hendak ada-lah satu makanan yang amat membanyakkan basil bagi kawasan2 mustahak bagi kita sakalian, dan itu dan apa nama jenis2 tanaman2 tidak-lah saya terdengar apa rancha­ yang di-buat oleh Kementerian itu ngan yang di-buat oleh Kementerian tentu-lah akan di-tunggu2 hasil-nya, ini bagi menggalakkan pengeluaran tetapi ada satu jenis pokok yang saya gula di-negeri ini dengan mengusaha­ nampak amat baik di-sabelah. Pantai kan penanaman tebu banyak2 di­ sana ia-itu pokok janggus atau ketereh negeri ini. kata orang Kelantan. Kalau-lah betul2 Pada suatu masa, Tuan Yang di­ pokok itu boleh memajukan penana­ Pertua, perkara ini saya telah sampai­ man di-kawasan tersebut suka-lah saya kan kapada sa-orang Pegawai mengeshorkan Kementerian ini supaya Tanaman Negeri ia-itu khusus-nya mengadakan research berkenaan de­ Pegawai Tanaman Negeri Kelantan ngan buah janggus itu boleh di-pasar­ bertanya dengan chara rasmi bagai­ kan ka-luar, sebab-nya, Tuan Yang mana-kah chara supaya negeri ini di-Pertua, sa-tahu saya buah itu ada­ dapat menggalakkan penanaman tebu lah satu buah yang chepat rosak-nya dan supaya boleh negeri ini menge­ dan di-waktu buah itu banyak maka luarkan gula dengan banyak bagi dengan sendiri-nya sahaja harga-nya makanan. Jawapan yang saya terima- turun dan oleh kerana pemindahan ?-' dan saya harap Menteri Yang Ber­ buah2 itu tidak dapat di-jalankan hormat dapat memberikan penjelasan­ dengan chepat kalau2 Kementerian ini nya-daripada Pegawai · Kanan itu dapat memikirkan sama ada berikhtiar ia-lah keadaan Tanah Melayu banyak menyiasat pengetinan buah2 itu. 791 28 APRIL 1961 792

Tuan Yang di�Pertua, chara2 yang ka-Lipis-Kuala Lumpur. Tetapi di-sebutkan oleh Yang Berhormat nampak-nya di-pasar2, ayam Kelantan Menteri itu kebanyakan-nya ada-lah itu murah kerana daging tubob badan· memuaskan. nya tidak memuaskan. daging-nya keras dan baka ayam itu daripada Enche' Mohamed Sulong bin Mohd. ayam keturunan Siam belaka. Jadi AH (Lipis): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sa-patut-nya-lah di-Kelantan mesti sa-bagai ahli yang selalu berchakap ada satu chubaan yang besar untok berkenaan dengan kemajuan bertanam membaiki baka2 ayam chuchok itu pad.a hari ini menguchap­ belaga supaya jangan jatob sangat pemiagaan kan sa-tinggi2 terima kaseh dan tab· sau· dara2 kita di-Kelantan berkenaan ni'ab kapada Yang Berhormat Menteri dengan hal ini. Berkenaan Pertanian yang telah membuat rancha· dengan �epala kechil 14 Development ngan di·dalam Development Estimate Reserve itu satu perkara yang sangat sa-suai 1960 ini. Dan dengan luas-nya dia pada hari ini kerana tahun telah memberikan uchapan dan pene· tiap2 Kementerian ini ada mengeluarkan rangaa, yang mengambil masa lebeh wang untok membanyakkan kur;t.rlg dua jam. Maka sa-lama saya peme­ liharaan kerbau atau .duaok dalam Dewan ini baharu hari sa-bagai-nya, tetapi jika sa-kira-nya /// ini saya mendapat penjelasan yang tidak ada tempat yang di-majukan terang dan ranchangan2 berkenaan bagi tempat kerbau2 lembu makan maka dengan Kementerian-nya hingga me- tentu·lah kerbau itu tidak dapat liputi semua Persekutuan Tanah berlipat ganda. Dan juga Melayu dan tidak-lah berbedza2 di­ dalam negeri Pahang umpama-nya kerbau antara Kelantan dan . Trengganu. lembu ini satu perk:ara Pabang dan lain2-nya. (Ketawa). yang menyusahkan. kerana kerbau lembu di-Pahang itu tidak ada Sa.ya di·dalam pertanian ini dalam tempat yang di-untokkan tempat begitu banyak satu sahaja yang saya reserve. Jadi binatang2 itu tidor di­ ucbapkan dan usabakan di-sini ber­ jalan, bukan sahaja mengotorkan kenaan dengan bantuan menjayakan jalan !aya, tetapi juga mengendalakan paya kangsa, dan saya harap perkara lalu hntas. Ada satu . perkara sahaja itu akan betjaya. Saya akan men­ yang saya dukachita sedikit dalam hal jemput Yang Berhormat Menteri Veterinary ini. Saya sudah beruchap Pertanian untok membuka dengan dalam. �ajli�. ini pada �eshuarat yang rasmi-nya perusahaan ini. lepas ia-1tu 11kalau saktra-nya Menteri Pertanian ini bermaksud hendak me­ Berkenaan dengan Veterinary Kepala maj�an pemeliharaan ayam dan sa­ Besar 135 kepala kechil 8 ia-itu baga1-nya maka patut-lah di-utamakan menguntokkan wang sa-banyak $60,000 makanan-nya yang boleh di-keluarkan menolong negeri Pabang memelihara daripada negeri kita sendiri, kerana kerbau dan lembu, satu sahaja yang pada masa ini saya dapati tidak maju hendak saya ingatkan ia-itu hendak· pemeliharaan ayam bagi mengeluarkan lab di-bagi kerbau jantan, jika tidak telor ia-lah oleh kerana belanja lambat sangat biak-nya. (Ketawa). makanan yang di-datangkan daripada Oleh itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya luar negeri itu sangat mahal, umpama­ minta-lah Yang Berhormat Menteri nya telor yang datang daripada luar itu memberi kerbau kapada negeri negeri Iebeh murah sampai l O sen, Pahang jangan-lah beri kerbau betina tetapi telor dalam negeri kita sendiri sahaja. harga-nya tidak kurang dari 13-14 sen satu biji kerana makanan yang Di-dalam kepala 135 kepala kechil mahal itu datang-nya daripada luar 11. Menteri Pertanian telah memberi­ negeri. Oleh itu, di·sini saya dapati tahu Dewan ini ia-itu ia rnahu me­ ta' ada di-sebutkan dalam perkara ini majukan hidupan2 dan meluaskan satu reserve atau experiment untok perusahaan ini. Saya suka-lah rnengi­ menyiasat bagaimana-k:ah boleh atau - ngatkan ia-itu pada masa ini per­ tidak makanan binatang2 itu di-buat niagaan ayam yang besar sa-kali ia-lah dan di-usahakan dalam negeri 1m, dari Kelantan melalui kereta api kerana satu perkara yang kita pun 793 28 APRIL 1961 794

tabu yang boleb bidup subor dalam kelapa itu, kalau ta' salah saya sama­ negeri ini ia-lah jagong, tetapi saya lah tua-nya umor bapa saya dengan dapati kedai2 yang menjual makanan kalapa itu. Itu pun di-tunggu oleh ayam, itek dan babi itu jagong itu di· orang kampong, hendak di-kaitkan datangkan dari luar negeri. Oleh itu, kelapa itu-hcndak baik sahaja, tetapi saya barap kapada Kementerian m1 hasil-nya pada masa ini ta' ada-lah hendak·lah mengira juga atau mem· baik. Saya ucbapk:an berbanyak terima b� siasatan bagi menchuba boleb-kah kaseh di-atas penghargaan bantuan tidak · makanan binatang2 yang sa­ Penanam Samula Kelapa itu supaya umpama itu di-keluarkan oleh negeri penanaman itu di-biak dan ,di-maju­ ldta sendiri supaya harga barang2 kan, umpama-nya di-daerah Selangor makanan ayam itek itu sendiri boleb ta' kurang dari 2,000 ekar mereka jadi murah. yang mempunyai pekebun2 kechil yang terdiri dari orang2 Melayu dan ini Di-bawah Kepala Besar 130, Kepala tidak termasok di-Sabak Bemam Kecbil 43-Coconut Rehabilitation and yang lebeh kurang 600-700 ekar. Replanting $1,000,000. Perkara ini saya Penyakit-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. dapati, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bahawa kalau kita mendengar pada tahun yang saya dan rakan saya telab mem­ sudah soal padi kuncha maka kelapa ini bangkitkan perkara ini lebeh kurang 3 ada juga kuncha-nya. Sebab saya tahu atau 4 tabun dabulu. Pada kali ini sendiri ia-itu pokok-nya sahaja yang saya dapati yang perkara ini akan di-punyai oleh tuan-nya, sedangkan betjaya, kerana wang-nya telah ada di­ untokkan dan di-harap ra'ayat2 di­ buah-nya sudah di-gadaikan. Umpama· pantai tlmur yang hidup-nya itu nya saya ada 3 pokok kelapa. Pokok bergantong kapada kelapa akan dapat dan batang-nya saya punya, buah-nya menekmati daripada pertolongan di­ orang lain punya. Ini sarupa juga bawah tadbiran ini. dengan padi kuncha. Soal ini dapat di-atasi oleh Kementerian ini, kerana Pada penghahisan-nya, Tuan Yang walau pun ada beberapa rancbangan di-Pertua, saya dengan tegas-nya me· kerjasama yang hendak di-adakan nyokong ranchangan atau pun belanja bagi memulehkan pekebun2 kechil ini, yang di-untokkan oleh Kementerian tetapi kalau soal ini tidak dapat di­ Pertanian ini, oleh kerana penerangan· atasi maka saya rasa harus-lah Shari­ nya yang panjang lebar, dan saya kat Kerjasama yang hendak mengum­ harap pada tabun2 akan datang, pulkan pekebun2 kechil itu, malaban Menteri ini bukan sahaja berchakap buah2 kelapa yang telah di-gadai ter­ 2! jam bahkan lebeh lagi daripada lebeh dahulu itu dan kalau hendak itu, kerana ini ada-lah satu perkara buat sharikat kerjasama hendak-lah yang sangat mustahak bagi kehidupan di-ajak sa-saorang itu yang barus ekonomi ra'ayat seluroh-nya dan saya membayar kapada orang yang telah minta-lah apa juga yang patut bagi di-kuncha�nya itu. memajukan berkenaan dengan peme· liharaan, pengbidupan atau pun Kepala 132 soal bund. Bila saya tanam2an yang mana yang ta' ada berchakap soal ini saya tidak-lah dalam ranchangan pada tahun ini bermaksud untok mengganggu langkah akan di-adakan pada tahun badapan. Menteri Pertanian dengan kuku besi atau dengan kuku yang panjang, tetapi Enche' Hamzah bin Alaq (Kapar): saya suka menarek perhatian tentang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, berchakap ber· kejayaan pada 1953 ia-itu pendudok2 kenaan dengan Kepala 130, Kepala daerah Rantau Panjang telah merayu Kechil 43 di-atas Penanaman Sa-mula kapada Kerajaan. Pada masa itu belum Kelapa. Kita tahu bahawa perusahaan merdeka dan jawapan pada tahun kelapa ini ada-lah satu daripada 1953 itu hanya baharu di-jawab oleh kehidupan orang2 Melayu di-kam· Pegawai Daerah dalam tahun 1957. pong2. Boleh saya katakan di-daerah Alang-kah sedeb-nya 'dari tahun 1953 ,�°' Selangor kebanyakan-nya orang itu hingga tahun 1957 hagi memperhaiki hidup, dia besar hari ini ia-lah di­ bund daerah Rantau Panjang itu hidupkan oleh kelapa, sedangkan baharu di-jawab. 795 28 APRIL 1961 796

Sa-telah Pilehan Raya tahun 1959. berharap Kementerian ini membela Ranchangan Buku Merah telah di·ada­ nasib ra'ayat yang dudok dalam kan bagi membaiki nasib orang kam­ Rantau Panjang. Kerana banjir di­ pong. Maka orang kampong mengaciu· kampong itu bukan-lah satu benchana kan kapada saya sa-bagai Wakil 'alam menunggu kalau hari hujan. Ini Ra'ayat, maka saya pun membawa boleh-lah kita katakan mengikut ayer perkara itu supaya di-masokkan dalam pasang, kalau ayer pasang pada tiap2 Buku Merah. Tetapi malang-nya. Tuan bulan, maka tiap2 bulan-lah-kalau Yang di-Pertua, belum pun sempat orang tengah sembahyang di-masjid hendak di-masokkan ka-dalam Buku berhenti kerana ayer naik. Mereka Merah, bila sampai sahaja kapada menumpukan kehidupan-nya kapada Jawatan-kuasa Negeri telah di-potong, kelapa. Pendudok2 di-Rantau Panjang kerana ranchangan ini konon-nya tidak dalam masa 80 tahun dahulu selalu ekonomi. Bund yang hendak di-buat pergi Haji, boleh-lah di-katakan tiap2 itu ia-lah kawasan yang sa-luas 400 sa-orang itu dua tiga kali pergi Haji. ekar yang mengandongi 120 buah J adi bila orang kampong itu selalu rumah yang pendudok -nya berjumlah pergi Haji itu menunjokkan mata pen­ 700 orang walau pun pehak D.I.D. charian di-kampong itu berlebeh dan mengatakan ranchangan ini tidak dapat menyimpan wang. Tetapi semen­ ekonomi, tetapi ranchangan bund ini jak banjir mengalami di-kampong itu harus di-baiki. Dalam uchapan pem­ yang biasa-nya sa-ekar kebun kelapa itu bukaan, Menteri yang berkenaan telah dapat mengeluarkan 700-800 biji, seka­ mengatakan bahawa bund ada-lah di· rang ini jangan di-harapkan demikian. utamakan kapada pesawah. Tetapi kelapa yang menghijau itu telah kuning soal kelapa juga harus kita perhatikan sa-bagai . orang kena penyakit "demam kerana kelapa ada-lah satu daripada kura" (malaria) kerana bahana ayer mata pencharian ra'ayat di-kampong. masin yang naik pada tiap2 bulan, Baharu2 ini orang kampong telah yang bukan sahaja menghabiskan berjumpa dengan pehak D.I.D. merayu pokok kelapa tetapi rumah di-situ supaya membuat ranchangan bund ini. yang biasa-nya boleh di-pakai 3 tahun Kata pehak D.I.D. Oh, boleh pindah, tetapi dapat di-pakai 1-2 tahun sahaja kampong ini tidak boleh buat bund, terpaksa di-punggah kerana ayer naik. Kerajaan akan rugi banyak.. Jadi yang Jikalau sa-kira-nya ranchangan bund saya sayangkan ka-mana-lah hendak ini di-buat, tanah yang sa-luas 200 ekar di-pindahkan orang yang sa-ramai 700 itu dapat di-gunakan. Dengan jalan itu orang itu, sedang ranchangan pemin­ banyak-lah peluang bagi orang di­ dahan dalam negeri Selangor tidak ada daerah batu 4 sampai batu 8 tidak tanah, yang hendak di-buka hanya mempunyai tanah dapat di-tempatkan untok orang daerah itu, itu pun tidak di-claerah itu. chukup. Kalau hendak di-bund mengi­ kut kata pehak D.I.D. akan memakan Itu-lah yang saya harap, clan dalam belanja $700,000. Saya telah beberapa uchapan saya ini jangan-lah Menteri kali membuat perubahan untok me­ yang berkenaan mengatakan saya murahkan belanja sa-hingga menjadi menggaru belakang-nya dengan kuku. $250,000. Perkara ini pun tidak dapat juga, bukan lagi hendak di-masokkan Dr. Lim Swee Aun (Larut Selatan): dalam Buku Merah sa-bagaimana yang Mr. Speaker, Sir, I congratulate the saya katakan tadi. Honourable Minister. of Agriculture for hiS' very comprehensive and Sa-harus-nya perkara ini tidak-lah detailed speech and I certainly envy saya chakapkan kapada Dewan Yang his memory for the tremendous number Berhormat ini, tetapi di-bawah per· of facts and figures he quoted. In his undingan telah habis untok mendapat­ preamble he hM expressed the hope kan kerjasama daripada pegawai2 itu, that we back-benchers and Members of malah ia tidak pedulikan Wakil the Opposition would not ask Ra'ayat di-sana. Saya chuba berlemah, unnecessary questions, but I assure saya chuba pujok-rayu tetapi tidak him that I shall not go over ground berhasil. Maka itu-lah sebab-nya saya that he has covered. 797 28 APRIL 1961 798

When the Honourable Minister site for the new Parliament have been was dealing with sub-head 13 of levelled out in so shortl a space\ of time Head 103, Agriculture, Development with heavy machinery-whether or of Federal Dry-land Stations, he went not the top soil of all this agricultural into detail explaining to us the work land which has been converted to done in these dry land stations, mining land could not be saved particularly on the study of soil, the through the use of heavy machinery, different types of soils, what use these to be taken over to cover the areas of soils can be put to, and also how to mined out land. Perhaps the cost might preserve top soil. Sir, as a layman, I be tremendous, but looking at it from havei often wondered whether or not the other angle, we could at least save that Ministry has made any study or worked out mining land to increase the taken steps to preserve the top soil land available for the landless. That is that is being wasted in this country the point P am throwingi out to the through mining. Every year thousands Minister, to see whether he has made and thousands of acres of agricultural any investigation to preserve the land and land suitable for agriculture valuable top soil. As a result of this is being converted into mining land mining, many rivers in the country have and, depending on the type or method been silted up, bringing with it pro­ of mining, the valuable top soil is blems of flooding and the loss of lost. Take open cast mining, for exam- fishing which is quite important in the ple. Many million cubic yards of top coastal areas. Head 132, sub-head 63 soil have been taken and thrown away provides for river clearingi and desilting before they can reach the tin, and in in Penang, sub-head 68 provides for the tin dredge earth is dug and churned new river clearing in Johore, and sub­ up in the water and is lost as silt in head 77 drainage of rivers in Selangor. the rivers with the result that a lot of I have been looking through all these rivers have been silted up. What is sub-heads, but I cannot find any provi­ left behind after mining of thousands sion foll river clearing and desilting in and thousands of acres of agricultural Perak. I am sure that is being looked land is nothing else but barren white after and provided for somewhere-­ sand on whicli even lalang find it diffi- perhaps it is not included under these cult to grow. I understand that attempts Development Estimates. But I would have been made in certain States, appeal to the Minister that provision be particularly in Perak, where one of the made somehow somewhere to dredge conditions for mining is that there and desilt Sungai Larut. Now, Sungai should be levelling and sliming of Larut used to be a navigable river, about two feet deep of slime with the and it was by1 this means that the hope that these areas can be rehabi- export of tin came through the famous litated for agriculture. From reports I Matang in the 1890s, but now it isi so have read I gather that this method of silted that it can only: be used by small sliming is still unsatisfactory, because boats and the poor fishermen in that the granules of slime are very minute area have found it very difficult to earn with the result that there is retention a living because, they claim, that the of water and practically very little silt had killedi all the fish. Although f aeration and oxygenation of the soil under Head 133, Fisheries, sub-head 8, making it unsuitable for agriculture. there is financial assistance for the What I am interested to know is that, fishing industry, I hope that some of whether it comes under these dry land that money will go to the assistance of stations or under some other depart- fishermen in my district. As ai result of ment in the Ministry-whether or not the silting of Sungai Larut, the whole steps are being taken to preserve this of the coastal area of Larut and Matang valuable top soil. I would have thought, is flooded during the rainy seasons and as a layman again, that with the several hundreds of acres of padi land amount of earth moving machinery are now unuseable; and also many that we see around in this country-I thousands of acres of rubber estates was really: surprised at the speed at are affected by this flooding. We, at which the Parliament road and the the district level, have tried to include 799 28 APRIL 1961 800

it in the rural development schemes, Pertolongan ini tidak memadai-lah but we were told that drainage and kalau di-serahkan kapada Pejabat Per· irrigation comes under the Federal tanian sahaja. Oleh sebab itu saya Government. In spite of many attempts, minta-lah kapada semua ahli kita we found that we could not get any mesti masok dalam kampong2 memaju­ headway, and that is why I am appeal· kan berkenaan dengan peladang2 ing to the Minister today to see Farmers Association. Sa-perkara lagi whether he has some other methods of saya sebutkan dalam Persatuan di-kam­ helping us out by dredging the Sungai pong2 itu. pertubohan2 atau organisa­ Larut. tion! yang lebeh mujarab maka sekarang say!! fikir tidak Iain dan tidak Wan Sulaiman bin Wan Tam bukan mesti menerusi pertubohan (Kota Star Selatan): Tuan Yang di· kerjasama. Pertua, saya memberi tahniah banyak2 kapada Kementerian Tanaman di-atas Alang-kah elok-nya jika sa-kira-nya usaha-nya dan saya tidak berasa jemu encouragement of farmers association mendengar uchapan-nya sampai sa-jam jadikan encouragement of co-operative lebeh, oleh sebab saya tahu . . . . association. Sebab saya katakan demi· Mr. Speaker: Sa-benar-nya dua jam kian dalam co-operative, yang per­ sa·tengah (Ketawa). tama-nya ia-lah menolong diri kita sendiri, meninggikan iktisad mereka2 · Wan Sulaiman bin Wan Tam: sendiri jika apa2 yang hendak di· Oleh sebab saya tahu benar2 apa yang hebahkan di-kampong2 itu. Ini mesti· di-uchapkan oleh Menteri itu ia-lah lah menerusi badan2 atau pertubohan2. perkara2 yang berkenaan dengan kehi­ Maka di-sini saya fikir molek·lah jika dupan orang2 kampong. Di-dalam sa-kira-nya di-dalam Farmers Associa• ranchangan yang di-uchapkan oleh tion itu di-samping memajukan pela­ Kementerian ini sa-bagaimana yang dang2 itu mahu-lah menchari jalan2 terma'alum kapada Yang Berhormat supaya di-tubohkan sharikat2 kerja· di-dalam Head 130, ia-itu berkenaan sama yang ada sekarang ini. Yang ada dengan tanaman dan juga di-atas hal sekarang ini ia-lah sharikat pinjam­ Veterinary dan lain2 lagi semua her· meminjam, sharikat kedai2. Tetapi itu kenaan dengan hal kehidupan ra'ayat tidak memadai, mesti di-adakan ber­ di-kampong2. Jika sa-kira-nya tidak macham2 sharikat kerjasama lagi. Saya dapat di-majukan apa2 yang di-dalam· maseh ingat Iagi dalam satu buku tebal nya itu dengan sa-berapa daya maka yang saya bacha bernama "Report of itu terpulang·lah kapada ra'ayat sendiri the Royal Committee of India on maka oleh sebab itu saya fikir berasa Agriculture". Buku tebal ini saya tidak kewajipan-lah kapada diri saya sendiri dapat tahu sama ada di-jual atau tidak. sa4>agai ahlil Dewan Ra'ayat menchari Dalam buku ini mengatakan bahawa jalan supaya menolong orang2 kam· semua kemajuan2 kampong, pelajaran pong itu menyudahkan derita-nya tanaman mesti di-hebahkan menerusi menerima ranchangan2 yang indah per� badan2 dan sharikat kerjasama. Maka mai ini. Maka jalan yang mustahak di-dalam buku itu menyebutkan juga dan juga sa-bagaimana saya telah "Jika berkehendak kerjasama itu fail, dapat pengalaman oleh itu mahu·lah ma'ana-nya kechiwa, maka kechiwa­ kita sakalian ahli2 yang bertanggong­ lah the rural economy of the people. jawab di-atas kawasan masing2 men· Jadi saya perchaya benar2 ada-lah chontohkan dalam pertubohan2 di· chara2 memajukan kampong itu tidak­ kampong2 sa-umpama encouragement lah tergantong sa-mata2 kapada Ke­ of Farmers Association ia·itu masok­ menterian ini tetapi mesti-lah tergan­ kan diri kita qalam pertubohan Far­ tong juga kapada mereka yang sedia mers Association. Maka dengan jalan hendak maju. itu dapat-lah kita mengetahui apa-kah kesusahan clan kemahuan2 ra'ayat di· Maka oleh sebab itu, Tuan Yang di· situ maka di-samping itu dapat-lah Pertua, saya minta-lah sa-lai� d�pa� kita menunjokkan keterangan2 bahawa memajuk:an Farmers Association 1m ada sedia ranchangan2 untok mereka. mesti-lah di-chari jalan menubohkan 801 28 APRIL 1961 802

Farmers Association atau Sharikat Kedah memotong padi. Mana orang2 Kerjasama yang lain lagi sa-bagaimana itu pergi. Sa-patut-nya pada masa itu sharikat bela ayam, sharikat kerbau petani2 itu sudah ada memotong padi. lembu, sharikat kedai2 kopi dan lain2 Di-mana orang2 itu sudah pergi. Jadi di-adakan pertubohan untok memeli­ saya sendiri pergi ka-Padang Besar dan hara kepentingan kesemua perusahaan saya minta kerjasama daripada Pejabat yang mesti di-adakan pertubohan Pulis, Pejabat Immigration, Pejabat saperti ini. tetapi dukachita nampak­ Railway dan juga Pejabat Kesihatan. nya di-kampo tidak ada jenis per­ Sa.ya mema'alumkan kapada-nya tubohan sape u yang boleh mem­ bahawa tujuan saya datang ka-sana bela nasib mereka. Dengan sebab itu, ia-lah sa-bagai sahabat, oleh sebab mesti-lah kita menubohkan banyak lagi saya mahu tahu mengapa-kah petani2 Farmers Association dan juga di­ itu tidak ada di-kawasan saya memo­ kampong2 itu bagi mengembangkan tong padi. Sa.ya sa-bagai wakil ra'ayat jenis Sharikat Kerjasama. yang telah di-pileh menjadi Member of Parliament ada-lah kewajipan saya Mr. Speaker: Banyak sangat di­ dalam perkara itu. Sa.ya meminta per­ ulang2kan. setujuan dapat kira-nya di-beri ketera­ Wan Sulaiman bin Wan Tam: ngan. · mengapa banyak benar sa-kali Terima kaseh. Sa.tu perkara lagi yang petani2 itu ta' ada di-sana. Tuan Yang saya suka hendak sebutkan di-sini di-Pertua, keterangan-nya itu ia-itu ia-lah ada beberapa perkara ia-itu di­ petani2 sud.ah masok ka-mari dan yang Kepala Kechil 12. 20, 21, 24 dan lain2 lain2 lagi itu semua-nya tida)c berasa lagi untok memajukan hal bertanam puas hati, tetapi malang-nya orang2 padi. Di-Kedah sana ada 132,276 pela­ petani itu dalam sekian2 ribu masok dang bendang padi. lni berma'ana di-situ, 3,000 orang telah turun ka-satu jikalau kita berchakap hal padi mesti · station sahaja. Saya ta' mahq sebutkan lah kita kena sebutkan juga, maka dari station mana. Mengapa 3,000 orang itu saya suka menyebutkan bahawa turun satu station sahaja? Pada hal kebanyakan daripada orang2 kampong kita tahu benar jikalau petani hendak sana ia-lah bertanam padi. Baharu2 ini di-bawa masok dalam negeri Kedah iil.-itu pada masa mengetam padi yang mereka itu mesti-lah ada surat dari telah lalu saya berasa sangat dukachita penghulu, kalau bagitu jikalau petani apabila saya melawat ka-kawasan saya, datang ka-sana maka mereka mesti-lah kemudian saya telah mendapat rayuan datang ka-station yang berhampiran yang . kata-nya, apa macham susah di-situ. Mengapa sekian banyak orang sekarang ini, ta' dapat orang pad.a masa petani turun dalam satu tempat sahaja. sekarang ini hendak memotong padi. Ini saya berasa sangat susah hati, dan Tahun ini alham dulillah. Tuhan bagi saya mendengar di-telinga saya sendiri banyak padi, oleh sebab di-gunakan di-sana ada jual padi-macham2 baja . urea. Sa·bilgaimana yang kita (Ketawa). lni satu daripada perkara semua ma'alum bahawa jikalau hujan yang saya minta dari Kementerian ini sud.ah . datang ta' ada petani hendak tolong adakan satu chara supaya memotong padi. Itu ada dua tiga petani2 itu jangan di-biarkan dan ter­ tempat rungutan yang di-terima dan tinggal bagitu sahaja, dan mesti-lah di­ perkara ini telah ada di-sebutkan chari satu jalan bagaimana hendak dalam akhbar Warta Negara. Perkara menyenangkan petani2 itu memotOng ini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kita me­ padi sama ada datang dari Kelantan­ ngembangkan yang itu, tetapi berapa kah atau lain2 supaya mengadakan banyak padi yang telah rosak di-sebab· pertubohan-"encouragement of Far­ kan hujan. Jikalau sa-kira-nya dalam mers Association"-biar ada pemuda2 negeri Kedah beribu2 ringgit kapada yang bagitu gagah dengan pisau-nya ia peladang2 itu sahaja, jadi saya dengan pergi memotong padi supaya jangan serta merta pergi ka-Padang Besar di­ orang2 petani itu pergi ka-luar lagi. mana tempat petani yang di-bawa masok di-sana. Saya bertanya apa sebab ikut Enche' llarDD bin Abdullah (Baling): Kerajaan· yang telah di-benarkan 5,000 Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam per­ orang petani masok dalam negeri sidangan Dewan Ra'ayat yang lalu 803 28 APRIL 1961 804

saya telab pun menyuarakan dalam Sharikat Kerjasama itu menubobkan Dewan ini kapada pehak · Menteri yang Sharikat Kerjasama ia-lah untok berkenaan tegas-nya Menteri Pertanian hendak mendapatkan pinjaman, mana· dan Sharikat Kerjasama ia-itu kawasan kala mereka hendak meminjam, saya di-Baling di-mana . saya telah me­ Jawatan-Kuasa itu ta' dapat hendak mobon supaya dapat di-hantarkan sa­ memberi kerana wang itu sedikit pada orang Pegawai Sharikat Kerjasama di­ masa itu. Maka abli Sharikat Kerja­ sana. Alham dulillah pada hari ini saya sama itu pun chuba menarek diri. ucbapkan berbanyak terima kaseh Dalam hal ini saya rasa pehak Kera­ kapada Kementerian ini yang telah pun jaan khas-nya Kementerian ini berikh­ menghantarkan pegawai tersebut bagi tiar mengadakan satu peruntokan ba.gi menjalankan kerja mengawasi sbarikat2 memberi pinjaman tambahan kapada yang ada dalam kawasan itu. Sesung­ Bank Persatuan mereka ia-itu melalui goh-nya dalam kawasan itu satu kawa­ Bank Agong Sharikat Kerjasama san dalam kawasan saya di-Baling di­ Persekutuan dan Bank Peringkat mana satu kawasan yang boleh di-kata­ Daerah. Jadi dengan bantuan yang di­ kan baharu sabaja hendak menchapai beri kapada Sharikat Kerjasama itu kemajuan terutama sekali orang2 dengan melalui Bank2 tersebut maka Melayu yang sangat banyak di-situ baharu-lah gemar daripada pebak bersemangat untok hendak menuboh­ orang2 kampong bertambah maju kan Sharikat Kerjasama Pinjam Me­ masok menjadi abli dan hidup-lah minjam di-kampong, walau bagaimana dengan subor-nya. pun ada satu perkara yang mustahak yang saya hendak mengeluarkan pen­ Jadi dengan ada-nya pertolongan dapat saya kapada Menteri yang ber­ dan peruntokan daripada pehak Kera· kenaan ia-itu dalam masa pegawai itu jaan. penyakit sharikat kerjasama tidak bendak menjalankan tugas-nya dalam dapat memberi pinjaman sa-bagaimana kawasan itu bukan hanya mereka untok yang saya katakan tadi tentu-lah per­ melawat, memereksa segala kira2, atau kara itu dapat di-sempurnakan. Kalau menghadziri segala meshuarat agong pehak RIDA. dapat memberi pinjaman Sharikat Kerjasama itu sahaja, bah· Bank yang tersebut itu akan lebeh lagi kan mustahak sekali kena-lah ada memberi faedah dan maju, kerana pegawai2 yang boleh memberi pene­ dalam sharikat kerjasama jawatan2- rangan supaya tempat2 yang belum lagi kuasa dan pegawai2-nya telah pun di­ ada, Sharikat Kerjasama Pinjam lantek dan orang2 ini mahir menjaga Meminjam itu supaya dapat di-tuboh· wang tersebut dan mengutip segala kan dengan seberapa yang boleh. pinjaman untok di-bayar balek kapada Kerajaan. Satu perkara yang membawa kemundoran kapada Sharikat Kerja­ Sa-lain daripada itu, saya hendak sama di-kampong2 itu ia-lah oleh berchakap berkenaan dengan peruntok­ kerana tidak mendapat penerangan2 an Kampong Iboi Kupang, yang mana yang chukop kapada abli2, mithal-nya tempati ini ada-lah dalam kawasan dalam sa-buah Sharikat Kerjasama di­ saya. Dalam kawasan ini mempunyai kampong mengikut apa yang telah di· sawab lebeh kurang 1,000 relong. terangkan oleh Pegawai Sharikat Dahulu daripada ini kawasan ini Kerjasama bahawa sa-sabuab sharikat kadang2 kering sebab tidak mendapat yang hendak di-tubohkan itu kena-lah ayer dan menyebabkan petani2 banyak ada mempunyai ahli tidak kurang rugi, dan pendapatan padi ada-lah daripada 25 orang-yuran-nya se­ kurang sebab ayer yang dapat di-masok­ kurang2-nya $30 sa-tahun. Jadi dengan kan ka-sawah itu tidak chukup sem­ wang sa-banyak ini ia-itu kalau kita kira purna. Mudah2an dengan ada-nya tiap2 sa-orang tiga puloh maka kalau peruntokan yang sa-banyak $120,000 sa·banyak 25 orang akan dapat tujoh ini empangan yang tersebut itu akan ratus lima puloh sa-tahun. Jadi dalam dapat di-bena atau dapat di-buat masa sa-tahun tujoh ratus lima puloh, dengan sempuma, dan bendang yang kalau lima tahun Iebeh kurang tiga di-buat oleh ra'ayat dalam kawasan itu ribu lebeh. Maka tujuan pehak ahli boleh dapat pendapatan yang lebeh dan 805 28 APRIL 1961 806

' harus juga boleh membuat bendang penganggoran dalam negen mi. J adi ··· dua kali sa-tahun. saya memberi kesimpulan di-atas uchapan yang telah di-terangkan oleh Pada akhir-nya, saya hendak ber­ Yang Berhormat Menteri Partanian itu chakap tentang tanah hutan simpanan bahawa ranchangan itu telah dapat di­ Kerajaan. Mengikut dasar Forest se­ jalankan, ia-itu "ayer ma'al-hayat" karang ini boleh memberi permit pada yang di-datangkan kapada pendudok tiap2 permintaan daripada ra'ayat sa­ di-luar bandar . . . kira-nya tanah2 hutan itu boleh di­ perbuat bendang. Ada satu perkara Mr. Speaker: Chakap bahasa Melayu! yang mendukachitakan saya sebab pada masa ini banyak Pegawai Hutan Enche' Ahmad bin Arshad: Sa-lain di-kawasan saya telah pun memberi daripada itu saya hendak berchakap permit yang tersebut itu kapada tentang Ranchangan Tali-ayer. Apa ra'ayat bagi membuka tanah untok yang hendak saya chakapkan ia-lah membuat bendang, tetapi malang­ Serom Drainage Schemes, Johor. Sa­ nya pegawai itu tidak berhubong bagai Wakil Ra'ayat kawasan Muar dengan Jawatan-kuasa Pembangunan Utara. pada mula2 saya masok dalam Luar Bandar di-daerah itu. Dengan Dewan yang bertuah ini saya telah kerana itu sa-tengah kawasan yang menyatakan kesulitan pendudok dalam telah di-chadangkan oleh Jawatan­ kawasan itu, dan saya menguchapkan kuasa Pembangunan Luar Bandar terima kaseh kapada Kementerian ini telah di-beri dahulu kapada ra'ayat kerana mengambil perhatian di-atas oleh Pegawai Hutan. Jadi dalam uchapan saya itu. . masaalah ini telah menjadi satu kesusahan kapada Jawatan-kuasa Di-samping itu, saya gemar me­ Pembangunan Luar Bandar yang ngulang sa-mula bahawa sekim yang hendak: mengator-nya supaya kawasan saperti itu harus juga di-adakan bagi itu di-buat dengan chara yang betul. sungai2 Kesang, Gelemang, Kudai dan Tangkak, sa-kira-nya dapat di-dalam Oleh itu, saya harap Kementerian dan di-besarkan sungai2 itu akan dapat· ini mengambil perhatian supaya kea­ lah ra'ayat dalam kawasan itu meng­ daan yang saperti itu dapat di-betulkan. gunakan tanah yang saya anggar lebeh Saya suka mengeshorkan sa-barang kurang 6,000 ekar. Apabila dapat di­ permit yang hendak di-keluarkan ter­ laksanakan hal ini maka berbagai2 lebeh dahulu hendak-lah mendapat ranchangan dan penyiasatan akan di­ perundingan daripada Jawatan-kuasa lakukan supaya petani2 dalam kawasan Kemajuan Luar Bandar. itu dapat menjalankan perusahaan-nya Enche' Ahmad bin Anhad (Muar dalam bahagian pertanian. Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bila berchakap bangun menyokong penoh atas soal tali-ayer, saya gemar menarek peruntokan wang bagi Kementerian perhatian kapada sungutan yang kerap Pertanian dan Sharikat Kerjasama berlaku di-kalangan ra'ayat ia-itu dalam Ranchangan Lima Tahun ini. manakala satu kawasan tali-ayer siap di­ Se.gala ranchangan yang telah di­ kerjakan oleh Kerajaan, maka timbul terangkan oleh Yang Berhormat masaalah hendak mengenakan chukai Menteri Pertanian itu ada-lah satu tali-ayer sa-bagaimana yang kita usaha yang besar untok memberi pernah dengar. Untok mengatasi hal faedah kapada ra'ayat di-luar bandar. ini saya suka mengeshorkan bahawa Dengan baik-nya perusahaan2 tanaman, sayugia di-kenakan chukai tali-ayer temakan dan perikanan, saya nampak sa-telah sekim itu selesai sa-tahun, dan akan mengubah masharakat pendudok hendak-lah di-beri jangka panjang di-luar bandar di-atas dua chara. Yang untok mengutip chukai itu supaya pert ama, mereka akan hidup dengan menjadi satu kerenganan kapada . keadaan yang lumayan dan mewah ra'ayat, sebab kebun mereka baharu dan akan mengatasi satu hal yang subor. Sa-lain daripada itu pada mereka tidak .suka makan gaji. Yang fikiran saya harus juga di-kenakan kedua, boleh mengatasi penyakit chukai tali-ayer ini kapada tuan2 kebun 807 28 APRIL 1961 808

yang mempunyai kebun lebeh dari­ bigger amounts if he. can get them. We pada 100 ekar, sebab mereka ini-lah notice that he mentioned in his speech '-"· yang lebeh dahulu mendapat hasil last night that the total development yang lumayan, dan ayer daripada allocation for this year is $39 million kawasan-nya itu di-buang dalam or a little more than that. That is only kampong yang rendah. Dengan jalan about 8.5 per cent of the amount that ini akan menjadi satu kemudahan is included in these Development kapada petani yang sa-kian lama Estimates and when we come to think: dalam kesusahan kerana tempat-nya that Agriculture and Co-operatives are itu kena banjir. of very important economic concern to our country. since the bulk of the Pada akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di­ population in this country depends Pertua, saya hendak berchakap ten­ directly on such activities for their tang ternakan. Di-kawasan saya ada livelihood, to devote only 8.5 per cent kawasan ternakan kerbau sa-luas 500 to this field is very inadequate. It ekar, kerbau temakan di-situ ada might be a little bit more satisfactory lebeh kurang 300 ekor. Saya me­ if the whole of the 8.5 per cent had nguchapkan terima kaseh kapada Ke­ been used for the stimulation of econo­ menterian ini yang sangat mengambil mic activities. berat berhubong dengan satu kema­ langan penyakit sampat telah menimpa From what I can see. the Minister kapada kerbau di-kawasan itu. Hampir has put in quite a lot of thinking into 200 ekor kerbau telah mad, tetapi these projects. but I am afraid that Pegawai Haiwan daripada negeri although the sch�mes look . very good Johor telah menyuntekl kerbau itu dan on paper the "drops of water" you memberi ubat, dan sekarang penyakit can manage to get for the schemes are itu telah reda dan kerbau itu telah too little. For example, coconut reha­ puleh sa-mula. bilitation has only "one drop of � Jadi saya memandangkan kapada water"-one million dollars-and, as usaha Yang Berhormat Menteri I have said, the coconut rehabilitation Pertanian tadi ia-itu satu Iangkah scheme is very important because our country is already facing a shortage in daripada kerbaul dan lembu ini di­ the supply of copra. Therefore it is ambil susu-nya. Saya fikir di-kawasan very important that this rehabilitation yang saya katakan itu ia-itu Telok scheme should be stepped up. Rimau ia-itu kerbau2 daripada tempat itu di-harapkan Kementerian ini akan Coconut rehabilitation requires a lot mengambil susul-nya supaya melegakan of attention and certainly $1 million lagi kehidupan ra'ayat di-situ. is insufficient. The other scheme,-the Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada mixed farming subsidy scheme-only Lipis tadi telah mengatakan bahawa enables the Minister to get $34,500- di-Pahang susah kerbau jantan. Jadi only I/29th of a "drop of water" ! Then di-kawasan saya kerbau jantan banyak. we have smallholders" mechanisation. Kalau berkehendakkan kerbau jantan According to the Minister, it is a very sila-lah datang niembeli di-tempat important scheme for the smallholders, & saya, tetapi harga-nya mahaL sadikit but this only enables him to get for kerana kerbau di-sana gemok2• this year $75,000-only I/13 th of a "drop". that means only I/13 th of one Enche' Liu Yooq Peq (Rawang): million dollars. I am sure that even in Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to make it the levelling of the so-called new clear that I stand up here not to Parliament site, the machinery that is criticise the Minister but to praise him. being put to use in that project, would I think that many of the back-benchers have cost much more than that amount. of the Alliance Government have been So, we find that these smallholders shooting at the wrong bird, because, mechanisation project for the whole of although we know such small sums Malaya is not even receiving as high have been provided for many of the an attention as the new Par1iament site. ·_, schemes, I think the fault lies not in And then under extension services we the Minister in not trying to press for see that there is only $164,500 being 809 28 APRIL 1961 810 spent for this year-I/6th of a "drop"; The co-operative movement is very and again in the clove industry. the important in our country and the total subsidy scheme for this year is only amount allocated for this year, both in $5.000 which is 200 times less than one terms of direct aid and loans, is no million. more than $10,000.000, and I would Then. fruit ·rehabilitation schemes say that unless the Government is pre· receive only $12,000 for this year; pared to put up more money into co­ that is only l / 83 of a drop-83 times operative projects, we cannot hope that less than $1,000,000. For the coconut the kampong people will be able to seed gardens, only $100,000 is get rid of exploitation from the middle· provided-I / 10th of a drop. men who are now putting up a very Padi rehabilitation scheme is a very heavy burden on the economy of these people. Many of the kampong people important project because most of the have never in their lives known that people in the rural areas depend they can be freed of the debts that they directly on padi for their livelihood, are aggregating all the time in their but this scheme receives only $53,000 livelihood. So I hope, Sir, that, while this year and that is only I /20th of I Sl,000,000. Double and off-season think the Minister has certainly put cropping receives only $108,000 for in a lot of thinking into all these schemes, more money should be forth­ this year-a little more than l / 10th of coming to see that these schemes would a drop. I am very happy to notice here be a success. that the nursery schemes have double· cropping in Kelantan. The speech Enche' Mohamed Yusof bin Mah� devoted to this scheme is quite lengthy. mud (Temerloh): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, but the money which is being provided saya bangun menguchapkan sa-tinggi2 is only $1,750-that is 500 ·times less tahniah kapada Menteri Pertanian than a drop. atas penera'Ilgan2-nya yang · panjang So I tried to add up all these lebar atas segala yang bersangkut-paut wonderful and important projects dengan Kementerian-nya bagi umum together and I found that the sum khas-nya kapada kita Dewan ini 'am· allocated for this year amounts to not nya bagi seluroh ra'ayat di-Tanah more than $2,000,000. In the time· Melayu ini, dan perchakapan-nya itu honoured phraseology of the Prime berkait juga dengan perchakapan Ahli Minister, it is only "two drops of yang baharu berchakap tadi dengan water" and so I feel that surely those bagitu chepat ¢lalam masa satu jam rehabilitated soldiers in the kampongs sahaja ... who are now engaged in the padi Mr. Speaker: Itu ta' ada kena­ fields and other rural activities would mengena. appreciate it much more if more money is being provided for their rehabilita­ Enche' Mqhamed Yusof bin Ma• tion than for the puttin� up a memorial, mud: Dalam uchapan ini saya perchaya a new Parliament Building and other segala serangan itu akan tidak memberi prestige projects. peluang kapada anasir2 subversive Now, I come to Co-operatives. I untok mengechil2kan atau pun have quite often heard that the Minister menghalang segala yang telah ia has a plan for a fertiliser plant and berchadang ia·itu untok berjaya although there is provision for a loan melaksanakan pada tahun ini, sebab in the estimates of $5,000,000 in the kita tahu anasir2 ini sentiasa meng· Short-term Co-operative Credit and gunakan orang2 kita, terutama sa-kali $2,750,000 for Medium-Term Co· kapada ra'ayat2 yang bukan warga operative Credit, I wonder whether any negara Persekutuan Tanah Melayu part of this sum is going to be used for untok menghalang segala kemajuan2 this fertiliser plant. I wonder why, ekonomi bagi meninggikan taraf hidup while the Government is able to spend terutama sa-kali daerah luar bandar. so much money on other things, a Saya perchaya Kerajaan tidak lagi scheme that is being sponsored by a teragu2 untok mengambil satu tindak:an Minister of the Government receives yang tegas kapada mereka yang so little attention. sa-macham itu. 811 28 APRIL 1961 812

Saya hendak berchakap sadikit atas Saya rasa ini satu perkara lagi untok Kepala 132 berkenaan dengan Drainage melebehkan pendapatan pekebun and Irrigation ia-itu membahagikan kelapa. Dalam hal ini saya suka ayer kapada petani2-pesawah2 . dan memberi pandangan, ia-itu dalam per­ wang itu ia-lah untok peruntokan bagi jalanan saya dari Tanjong Karang negeri Pahang. Saya berharap apakala sampai ka-Sabak Bemam, saya di-jalankan pemberian menjalankan memerhatikan di-kiri kanan yang kerja ini dapat kira-nya pegawai2 dari­ berbatu2 jauh-nya itu ada-lah di­ pada Drainage and Irrigation ini tanam dengan pokok kelapa. Daripada berunding dengan Jawatan-Kuasa buah kelapa ini boleh mengeluarkan Pembangunan Luar Bandar dan juga satu barang yang sangat berharga orang2 daerah yang akan di-beri kapada kita ia-itu minyak, tetapi saya pertolongan itu, oleh sebab kedudokan tidak . nampak satu kilang yang betul2 chara memberi ayer ini tidak-lah sama boleh mengeluarkan minyak dalam antara satu negeri dengan satu negeri daerah itu. Saya perchaya kalau shari­ yang lain-ada kala-nya chara yang di· kat kerjasama dapat mengadakan buat oleh negeri Kedah tidak sa-suai kilang untok mengeluarkan minyak. dalam negeri Pahang, sebab saya ber­ maka soal kelapa kuncha yang di­ chakap bagitu ia-lah oleh kerana saya katakan oleh sa-orang Ahli Yang Ber­ dapati satu perkara di-suatu tempat hormat tadi akan dapat di-selesaikan. yang bemama Kampong Penak di­ mana Kerajaan telah mengadakan satu Tuan Hajl Mokhtar bin Haji Ismail pertahanan ayer untok 500 ekar paya (Perlis Selatan): Tuan Yang di-Pertua. dengan tidak berunding terlebeh saya bangun menguchapkan terima dahulu dengan orang2 yang hendak kaseh kapada Menteri Pertanian dan membuat paya yang besar itu, dan juga Sharikat Kerjasama, kerana jika kita dengan mereka2 yang tahu sadikit sa­ memandang dalam Anggaran Perbelan­ banyak dalam hal tempat itu. jaan Kemajuan yang di-untokkan pada ,, tahun ini nampak-nya negeri Perlis Di-hulu tanah yang 500 ekar ini ada sangat bertuah, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. dua sungai, chuma ada satu betong mendapat anggaran yang banyak. ia-itu tempat ayer keluar yang Walau pun bagitu, Tuan Yang di­ diameter-nya 3 kaki. Dalam masa Pertua, berkenaan dengan sharikat hujan mengambil 3-4 hari baharu ayer kerjasama dalam uchapan Menteri itu kering, maka padi itu 3-4 hari yang berkenaan telah menerangkan tenggelam dan akhir-nya padi itu pun untok menghapuskan penyakit padi mati. Saya membawa perkara ini ia­ kuncha. Pada pendapat saya lah oleh kerana saya telah gagal menghapuskan padi kuncha ini berunding dengan pegawai itu untok ada-lah · satu perkara yang sukar. membaiki kedudokan 'itu. Pegawai Jikalau kita memandang sa-pintas lalu RIDA di-sana tidak sanggup memberi sahaja kapada kemajuan sharikat keterangan kapada Pegawai Tinggi, kerjasama ini tentu-lah kita mengang· sebab kata-nya, Pegawai Tinggi itu gap ini-lah satu kejayaan yang kita orang pakar, orang yang pandai ia-itu chapai. tetapi sa-balek:-nya, kalau kita jurutera. Saya terpaksa chakapkan memandang 'adat dan tabiat manusia perkara itu hari ini sebab saya di­ nampak-lah bahawa manusia itu sen· minta oleh peladang di-daerah itu tiasa berkehendakkan kapada yang untok di-sampaikan kapada Dewan senang. Oleh sebab tabiat manusia itu ini, kapada Menteri yang berkenaan suka kapada yang senang, manakala kbas-nya. Dan ada beberapa tempat lagi, saya harap wang yang di-sediakan mereka hendak meminjam wang dengan itu dapat berunding dahulu supaya tidak payah · meletakkan sa-tengah memuaskan hati pehak yang meng­ chagaran mereka itu pergi kapada gunakan wang itu dan juga pehak orang tengah dengan hanya kepercha· yaan sahaja petani itu dapat memin· Kerajaan. · jam daripada orang tengah itu. Oleh Sekarang saya hendak berchakap sebab orang tengah itu mengadakan tentang Coconut Rehabilitation saperti chara yang senang kapada petani itu. yang di-sebutkan dalam Sub-head 43. maka hendak menghapuskan padi 813 28 APRIL 1961 814 kuncha, sa-bagaimana yang saya kata· stamp. coming here to nod my kan tadi, ada-lah satu jalan yang sukar. approval, and after taking th� cue Sa-bagaimana yang saya tahu mengik:ut from the Honourable Members of the chara sharikat kerjasama mengambil Opposition, my emotional feeling is at masa yang panjang, kadang2 wang the point of explosion. I feel that I yang di-kehendaki oleh petani itu tidak will be acting against my conscience if dapat, tetapi kalau mereka itu pergi I do not say something. kapada taukeh padi kuncha itu mereka itu dapat meminjam dengan serta­ Sir, it is an undeniable fact that merta. Kedah produced two record crops during the past two years, and there Dan penyakit yang kedua dalam can be no better evidence to prove the negeri Perlis. barangkali ini satu pe­ success of the Alliance Government nyakit baharu saya agak dan penyakit through the efforts of the Ministry of ini lebeh merbahaya daripada padi Agriculture. After having suggested the kuncha yang mana ia akan memusnah­ development of the Wan Mat Saman kan kita hingga turun-temurun. ia-itu Scheme in Kedah, I am glad to see, penyakit jual janji. Saya tidak tahu under Head 132, sub-head 31, that the penyakit ini sama ada timbul di-tempat first stage of this Scheme will be lain, tetapi di-Perlis mashhor. Jual launched this year; also I note with janji ini, mithal-nya, sa-orang itu mem� interest that a sum of $500,000 is allo­ punyai tanah dua relong, tanah itu jika cated for the investigation of the Muda di-taksir harga pasar $2,000 kemudian River Scheme in diverting the flow of ia pergi kapada taukeh jual janji tadi the Muda River into this Wan Mat menjual tanah-nya itu dengan harga Saman area. On completion of this $800.00 sahaja, perjanjian buat di-luar Scheme 240,000 acres of padi land will dengan di-ubah semua grant sa-lama 3 be able to produce two crops a year tahun. Jika tanah itu tidak di-ambil and many thousand families will be balek, maka tanah itu akan menjadi directly benefited by this Scheme. hak taukeh tadi, dan pada tiap2 tahun Actually, Sir, the Federation as a whole ia terpaksa membayar sewa tanah itu will be benefited. Therefore, I have to kapada taukeh yang membeli tanah itu. stand up here to congratulate the Dengan chara jual janji ini orang telah Honourable the Minister of Agriculture banyak kehilangan tanah. Kerajaan for the real achievements he attained Negeri Perlis telah mengambil satu in the past, and I lrust that he will tindakan yang chergas ia-itu telah give his every effort to speed up this menubohkan Lembaga Penanam Padi . project and see that it becomes a real Akan tetapi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, success. Kerajaan Negeri kekurangan wang untok memberi pinjam kapada orang Puan Hajjab Zain binti Sulaiman yang terkena jual janji yang hendak (Pontian Selatan): Tuan Yang di­ menebus balek tanah-nya. Pada fikiran Pertua, saya berdiri di-sini menguchap­ saya ini ada-lah satu perkara yang kan tahniah kapada Yang Berhormat penting bagi Kementerian yang ber­ Menteri Pertanian dan sa-malam kita kenaan memikirkan dan mengadakan sudah di-bawa Menteri Yang Berhormat peruntokan wang yang lebeh kapada ini ka-merata2 tempat sa-olah2 di-bawa Lembaga Penanam Padi, Perlis. Maka melihat satu gambar wayang macham dengan jalan ini penyakit jual janji itu wama padi itu melaut2 dan bagaimana dapat di-hapuskan dan dengan terha­ ikan2 dan juga binatangZ ayam itek, pus-nya penyakit ini akan memberi kerbau lembu. Kalau sa-kira-nya ran­ pertolongan yang besar sa-kali kapada changan yang bagini besar-nya, yang penanam padi. bagini banyak wang-nya yang di-guna­ kan tahun 1961 ini maju jaya maka Enche' Lim loo Kong (Alor Star): akan memberi keuntongan kapada kita Mr. Speaker, Sir, at first I felt a bit kelak. reluctant to stand up and say some­ thing, but for fear that I might be Di-dalam banyak2 m1 sa-bagai referred to once again as a rubber tabi'at sa-orang ibu yang sa-jati di- 815 28 APRIL 1961 816 dalam head 31 sub-head 5 Extension satu togas yang sangat penting ia-itu Co-operative College and Quarters. hendak melebehkan pendapat orang2 Kita ada $230,000 hendak di-belanja· �ampong. Dengan demikian kebidupan kan kerana hendak menyambong mereka itu dengan sendiri-nya dapat College itu dan saya perchaya sebab di-perbaiki. Tetapi ada pula satu sa-telah melawat dan pada hari akan golongan kapitalis yang kerja mereka datang akan melawat lagi. Kita akan itu tidak lain dan tidak bukan ia-lah melihat ramai budak2 perempuan yang hendak menghanchorkan akan tugas2 akan di-lateh di-situ dalam tahun 1961. Kerajaan yang sangat penting itu. Saya Ini apabila telah di-sambong College tahu ini-lah kejadian dan kelaziman itu. yang berlaku di-mana2 juga ada shari· kat kerjasama maka di-sana-lah ada Tuan Haji Ahmad bin Abdullah kapitalis yang tujuan-nya hendak (Kota Bhan Hilir): Tuan Yang di· menghanchorkan perusahaan sbarikat Pertua. saya bangun chuma hendak kerjasama itu. berchakap di-atas dua head sahaja. Pertama ia-lah head 131, Co-operative Jadi kalau · sa-kira-nya Kerajaan Development. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, membiarkan bagitu sahaja dengan ada-lah polisi yang di-jalankan oleh tidak mengadakan apa2 sekatan maka Kerajaan untok mendirikan dan sharikat ketjasama itu tidak akan maju menggalakkan Sharikat Kerjasama ada· -sama sa-kali. Oleh sebab yang demi­ lab tujuan-nya kerana hendak mening­ kian saya harap kapada Kementerian gikan pendapatan orang2 kampong2 ini membuat satu undang2 supaya dengan menghapuskan orang2 tengab. mengharamkan segala unfair competi­ Memang ada sharikat2 kerjasama yang tion clan jangan-lah di·benarkan ber­ telab mencbapai kejayaan. Tetapi di· lawanan yang tidak berseh itu. Atau samping itu ada juga banyak perkara2 pun di-adakan tempat2 atau zone yang yang ra'ayat sekarang ini sedang khas dan jangan di-benarkan sharikat menderita. kapitalis masok di-situ.

Saya sebutkan satu perkara atau Tuan Yang di-Pertua, di-bawah aduan tentang sa-buah sharikat kerja· head 135 kita ada melihat sub-head 11. sama yang telah di-sampaikan kepada juga sub-head 5, foultry expert scheme. saya di-dalam satu kawasan yang Sekarang ini banyak orang2 kita menjalankan pekerjaan kisar padi dan memelihara ayam denpn sa-chara banyak-lah orang2 kampong di-situ besar2an. Tetapi mereka itu dapat satu

menjadi abli sharikat itu. Tetapi penyakit · pula ia-itu telor2 a yam malang-nya lebeh kurang tengah dua mereka itu terpaksa di-jual dengan batu jauh-nya daripada sharikat itu harga yang murah clan tidak dapat ada pula satu sharikat kisar kapitalis. harga yang baik kerana telor2 ayam Jadi apabila telah ada satu sharikat dari negeri asing banyak datang ka­ kapitalis yang tidak berjauhan dari situ mari lebeh2 lagi telor2 dari Siam. Jadi maka berlaku-lab berlawanan di­ oleh yang demikian, saya harap pada antara dua kelang itu. Di-tempat itu Kementerian yang bersangkutan upah mengisar padi satu karong ia-lah supaya di-adakan satu jalan untok sa-banyak 50 sen, ini ia-lah mengikut memberi peluang kapada orang2 kita hal·nya di-kampong itu. Dan pehak ini menjualkan telor2 ayam mereka itu sharikat kapitalis itu telah menurunkan dengan harga yang baik. dan jangan· harga kisaran itu dengan sa-rendah2- lab di-galakkan kemasokkan telor2 nya. Jadi orang2 di-dalam kampong itu daripada negeri luar. Dengan yang telah lari berduyun2 pergi kapada demikian sahaja-saya ulang--dengan sharikat kapitalis itu. Jadi dengan yang demikian sahaja, Tuan Yang di· bagini maka basil sharikat kerjasama Pertua, dapat-lah orang2 kita maju memang-lah tidak ada dan akhir-nya dalam pemeliharaan ayam dan ternak­ . sbarik.at kapitalis itu menjalankan an yang lain. kisaran padi itu dengan free sabaja dengan tidak di-ambil apa2 upah. Jadi Dalam Head 135, sub-head 12- di-sini dapat-lab satu gambaran Buffalo Breeding Scheme. Saya akan bahawa Kerajaan sedang menjalankan menyentoh juga pada su b-head 8- 817 28 APRIL 1961 818

Purchase of Buffaloes. Orang2 yang students. Secondly, I come to sub-head menanam padi sangat-lah berhajat 26. Encouragement of Farmers Asso­ kapada a1at2 atau binatang2 yang akan ciation and subhead 37, Extension menolong mereka itu menchepatkan Service. I think these two subheads akan pekerjaan mereka itu. dan ada· are very good, because they give a lab kerbau ini ia·lah satu binatan§ yang chance to these farmers, especially sangat berfaedah kapada kaum tani those in the development schemes. to itu. maka sakira-nya Kerajaan Perse· form associations or young farmers' kutuan mengadakan satu chadangan clubs and so forth to give them a untok memberi kerbau2 kapada pak2 better understanding and appreciation tani yang menanam padi dengan jalan of agriculture and thus help them to hutang lebeh2 lagi di-pantai timor succeed in the agricultural field. kerana mereka itu sangat2 kekurangan dalam perkara kerbau itu. Maka ini-. Head 132, sub-heads 18 and 79, lab yang akan menjadi satu sebab yang Rehabilitation of Small Irrigation akan menjayakan orangl kita bagi Schemes in Pahang. and Minor Works. mengeluarkan padi dengan banyak-nya. Pahang, all under Drainage and Irriga­ tion, and here, on behalf of the people of Pahang, I wish to thank the Minister Enche' Chan Siang Sun (Bentong): of Agriculture for giving us these allo· Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to welcome the cations and I am sure they will be very. estimates put forward by the Honour­ very happy to have these schemes given able Minister of Agriculture. I am not to them. in favour of, or agree to, what the Honourable Member from Rawang Under Head 135-Veterinary, we said-that these are small "drops of have heard the Hono\irable Minister water" in the Development Estimates. giving us quite a lengthy speech about But I would put it this way : these are this section, and I am sure Malaya will - the "limelight" put together in these attain self-sufficiency in meat in a very Estimates. If you were to measure the short period. Under Poultry, I have a length of the estimates in these Esti­ little observation to make, and that is, mates for 1961, we would find that the while we can have a lot of good estimates for Agriculture and Co­ breeding stock for distribution to the operatives are the longest of all the farmers, I think the most important Ministries, and from this we can judge service to be given to the farmers is and we can say that the Honourable just to teach them how to rear and bring Minister of Agriculture and Co­ up their chickens, because it is of no operatives is putting up well-thought use giving them good breeding stocks and well-planned schemes. and good · food for the chickens if the farmers themselves do not know how Under Head 13(}-A¥riculture, I to look after the chickens, and, as far have one or two observations to make as I know, these modem chickens and that is under sub-head 23, Im· require good husbandry and good provement of Diploma Course-College. management. If the farmers are unable "' To my personal knowledge, this to do so, the good breeding stock given college caters mostly for scholarship to them would be just a waste. Then students and . only a few private I come to pig breeding and multiplica­ students have the chance to get admis· tion centres under subhead 13. This I sion into the college. I have been think is a very good thing, especially personally approached by a lot of to all those pig farmers. There have students-students with grade 11- been long delays in obtaining breeding saying that their desire to study agri· stock until now; in my constituency. culture is very great but that they are a couple of farmers put in their appli­ not given an opportunity to get admis­ cation for breeding stock a couple of sion into this college, and I take this years ago. but up to now they still opportunity here to appeal to the have not got their breeding stock of Minister to see whether there is any boar. I hope that the creation of this possibility of expanding this diploma centre will give a good supply to these course college to cater for these private farmers. 819 28 APRIL 1961 820

Now I come to the development of Sitting resumed at 8.30 p.m. grazing reserves and dairy colonies. (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) Here I would like to stress that grazing reserves should be given more atten· THE. DEVELOPMENT ESTIMATES, tion at first, because it is of no use 1961 having a lot of dairy cattle if you do not have enough grazing reserves, House immediately resolved itself because the milk and meat depend on into Committee. what the animal eats, and I think that (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) if we have more grazing reserves to feed the cattle they will probably grow Resumption of debate on Question : fatter. Regarding the sending of That the sums of $31,353,636 under buffaloes to Pahang, as suggested by Column 5 and $7, 750,000 under Column 6 an Honourable Member from Johore, for Heads 130 to 135 inclusive stand part of the Development Estimates, 1961. as far as I know, some of those male buffaloes are very wild and I think in Question again proposed. Pahang we have more than enough of these wild buffaloes. So, in case he Encbe' K. Karam Singh (Daman­ should send some, I hope they would sara): Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is not my be tamer so that we will not have intention to give a learned discourse on much trouble to control them agriculture in our country. I will only (Laughter). I also understand that bad touch on one small matter, and I hope temper in animals is a sort of heredi· the Honourable Minister of Agriculture tary factor and I therefore hope that would assist the poor people on the the Ministry of Agriculture will take rubber estates of our country. care of that. Mr. Speaker, Sir, for some time the As regards the question of having a rubber tappers in our country have managed to save a little money to buy ·� sugar industry in this country-put forward by the Honourable Member a few cows and rear them, and by from Bachok-if my personal know­ doing this they have been able to give ledge serves me right, I should think their children a little milk to drink. As !hat it is a good industry to be created we know, the people on rubber estates m Malaya, because, according to my are very poor people, and this small personal knowledge, the climate in quantity of milk which they are able to get from their cows is a great help Malaya is suitable and our Malayan as soil is also good. We are also blessed to the children it forms a very with the fact that we do not have important part of their nutrition. earthquakes, typhoons and so forth in Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is also interesting our country, unlike countries like to know that these poor estate Japan, Formosa and Cuba which are labourers, without very much know­ subject to typhoon. Some of them are ledge of economics or the co-operative also subject to earthquakes. Finally, the movement, have been, in fact, deve­ percentage of sugar in our canes here loping a sort of co-operative set-up in is much higher compared with the their rearing of cows. Each of them has canes in Japan and Formosa, and this a few cows and they join together and is my personal knowledge. employ one or two persons to look after all their cows and they jointly pay the cowherd. To this extent they Before I sit down I wish to take the opportunity to thank the Minister of work together and are able to have their cows looked after collectively. Agriculture once again for his good work. But, Mr. Speaker, Sir, the efforts of our rubber tappers in this direction have not always met with encourage­ Mr. Speaker: The time is 12 o'clock, ment. Recently in Killinghall Estate 30 and the sitting is suspended till 8.30 in Puchong, where there are about tonight. families owning about 200 cows, the heads of families received notices from Sitting suspended at 12.00 noon. the management of the Estate that if 821 28 APRIL 1961 822

they did not dispose of all their cows, Tinggi dan lain2 kawasan di-sana. Sa­ they would have to leave the Estate lain daripada itu kita telah membawa in one month's time. Mr. Speaker, Sir, masok jenis ketarai yang sesuai dari the cows or cattle in that Estate did India yang boleh mengeluarkan biji not cause any damage, they did not yang banyak dan buah yang lebat pull up any rubber seedlings or cause supaya kita dapat menjual buah jang­ any other inconvenience to the Estate. gus dan ketarai itu ka-pasaran dunia, On the other hand, it helps the tetapi buah-nya itu sukar .sadikit sebab labourers to augment their income-at tidak berapa di-gemari orang, kalau di­ least they have the satisfaction of mak.an getah-nya apabila kena baju owning a little property in the form kotor, hanya budak2 sahaja yang suka. of a few cows. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we Kalau buat arak boleh, tetapi saya know that some time ago our tidak fikir Ahli Yang Berhormat itu Honourable Minister of Agriculture bersetuju. Kalau di-buat arak mutu­ took very quick action to stop the use nya kita belum tentu lagi, tetapi kita of arsenic spraying on estates as that boleh siasat. had worked to the detriment of cattle Bagi menjawab pandangan Ahli on estates. Now, our estate folks and Yang Berhormat dari Li pis yang the cow rearing industry on estates is mengatakan di-tempat-nya tidak ada facing a similar threat from the kerbau jantan itu kita boleh hantar, management of an estate which kita akan hantar kerbau yang sesuai, threatens to sack workers who have kerana kalau kita hantar kerbau cows. Mr. Speaker, Sir, in the interests jantan yang sangat gemok saperti yang of the cattle industry, in the interests di-katakan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat of our labourers and in the interests of dari Muar Utara, saya fikir tidak kuat their children who get a chance to kerbau itu (KetawaHlnterruption). drink a little milk, I appeal to the Government to see that the estate Berkenaan dengan baka ayam belaga labourers are able to carry on their di-Kelantan itu memang datang-nya cattle rearing without hindrance or dari Siam. Ayam siam daging-nya without inconvenience. kasar dan keras, tetapi ayam yang sekarang di-pelihara di-Kelantan itu Enche' Abdul Aziz bin Ishak: daging-nya tidak-lah keras sa-bagai­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi men­ mana yang di-tudoh itu. Pada fikiran jawab pandangan Ahli Yangi Ber­ saya kalau hendak chari ayam Siam hormat dari Bachok berkenaan dengan itu hal lain, kalau ayam Kelantan gula itu dahulu tebu memang ada di­ betul daging-nya tidak keras. tanam sa-belum daripada getah, tetapi Telor ada-lah satu makanan yang apabila getah di-tanam dan hasil-nya baik' dan telor ayam yang di-keluarkan lebeh daripada gula, maka penanaman dari Kelantan itu memang-lah mahal tebu itu telah di-tinggalkan. Sebab-nya terutama sa-kali telor yang di-keluar­ tebu tidak di-tanam sa-bagaimana kan dari Siam. Oleh kerana barang2 yang di-jawab oleh Pegawa� Pertanian, makanan saperti hampas2 dan dedak Kelantan, itu benar, kerana neg�ri ini beras ayam dan sa-bagai-nya banyak mempunyai musim hujan yang lebat di-Siam serta sangat mewah dan maka sa-hingga 110" sa-tahun, jadi tebu itu itu-lah sebab-nya telor ayam banyak. gula-nya kurang; tetapi perchubaan Rombongan daripada Persekutuan dan penyiasatan sedang di-jalankan, Tanah Melayu akan melawat ka-Siam baka tebu yang baik dan yang sesuai untok hendak berunding chara mana hendak di-tanam . kita boleh dapat mengawal telor2 dari Siam tidak mustahak masok dalam Berkenaan dengan tanah beris untok negerV ini. Kira2 dua bulan sudah kita menanam janggus, ketarai, jambu golok sudah mengadakan perundingan supaya dan sa-bagai-nya itu dalam tahun 1956, kita dapat mengawal telor2 yang datang kita mula menyiasat ia-itu kitahen dak "'· daripada luar negeri saperti dari gunakan tanah beris di-sapanjang pantai negeri Chimu melalui Singapura dan timor dan juga di-tempat dan kawasan sa-bagai-nya supaya tidak juga di­ saperti Terong, Machang, Sungai benarkan masok dalam negeri ini. 823 28 APRIL 1961 824

Perkara hendak menyiasat barangz way. I will bare my nails. Anyway the makanan memangi sudah di-panggil sa­ question of desilting Sungei Larut was orang Pakar 4 bulan yang sudah dan started between 1954 and 1955, but penyata-nya belum kita terima lagi. we have no information that it needs Sa-orang Mr. Zwankhuizen dari further desilting. In fact. in 1953 as a Belanda telah menyiasat atas perkara Member of the former Legislative Coun­ ini chara mana hampas2 atau kulit cil, I approached the District Officer, kayu boleh di-jadikan barang2 Taiping, an expatriate District Officer, makanan dan sa-bagai-nya. Saya fikir on the question of the flooding of the hanya kita menunggu penyata-nya. Matang affluence on to the Larut­ Matang-Gebong padi area where my Berkenaan dengan penanam kelapa relatives were-they are still there­ Ahli Yang Berhormat itu tidak me­ but. of course. the District Officer ngerti maka saya hendak jawab took the side of the mining company ; Ahli berkenaan dengan kelapa. Yang and as you know, Sir. the padi land Berhormat menda'awa bahawa kelapa was abandoned in favour of mining. itu tua dan lebeh tua daripada umor bapa-nya. Kepala kalau di-banding· Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada kan dengan pokok2 yang lainl saperti Kota Star Selatan berkenaan dengan manggis, rambutan dan duku dan sa­ Persatuan Peladang. ada•lah pertubohan bagai-nya umor2 pokokl itu tahan 35 Persatuan Peladang ia-lah kerana tahun sahaja tetapi kelapa itu boleh di­ hendak mengembangkan pertanian ia­ bandingkan dengan umor-nya saperti itu hendak menjalankan chara2 ber­ durian tetapi tua-nya 'itu ada-lah di­ kenaan dengan pertanian. chara sains ibaratkan tua2 keladi, lebeh tua lebeh (Ketawa). dan sa-bagai-nya. Dan patut-lah chara menjadi. Itu-lah sebab-nya yang di-buat oleh sharikat kerjasama pokok kelapa itu 100 tahun pun ia-itu saloran iktisad, tetapi ahli pokok kelapa ada buah-nya. Persatuan Peladang itu boleh juga Berkenaan dengan perkara yang di· menjadi ahli sharikat kerjasama. mushkilkan oleh Ahli Yang Berhormat Memang di-maksudkan berkenaan dari Kapar itu berkenaan dengan ban. dengan orang yang masok daripada Saya mendengar ada bertelingkahan Siam untok menuai padi tujoh ribu sadikit dengan pakar2 di-sini kerana orang sa-tahun biasa-nya. Tetapi oleh masalah ini masalah orang2 kampong, kerana orang tengah itu banyak sa-kali di-minta dua rantai tanah supaya ia-itu contractor2 yang berlumba2 hendak membuat ban tetapi orang membayar sewa yang banyak terpaksa­ kampong tidak beri dua rantai, jadi lah di-kawasan2 yang tidak mahu tidak boleh-lah hendak membuat ban membayar sewa yang lebeh tidak dengan baik dan chukup kuat. dapat pertolongan2 itu, tetapi kerana hendak nienggalakkan dalam sa-tahun Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada dua ini supaya menuai padi mengguna­ Larut Selatan maka saya terpaksa kan dengan jentera atau machanical. berchakap Inggeris ....-I am Itu kita akan jalankan kerana chital afraid on the question of top soil kita bahawa sangat mustahak dari control, we have not been able to sekarang di-kawasan2 yang sudah give much thought about it. I thank bertambah menanam dua kali sa-tahun. him very much just the same. I know it will cost a lot of money, and I do Berkenaan dengan Ahli Yang Ber­ not think that Government itself can hormat daripada Baling, saya memang­ afford to have top soil control. We lah berjanji akan menghantarkan sa­ have to pass the buck on to the mining orang pegawai, tetapi oleh kerana compan� who started mining opera­ pegawai itu belum chukup di-lateh tions. It is for us to put very strict dengan chara rasmi saya mengaku-lah condition, so that top soil control can akan menghantiu- pegawail yang che­ be done : however, we will look into kap terlateh. it. Of course. you know I am the Minis­ ter of Agriculture and I always take Berkenaan dengan Ah1i Yang Ber­ the side of agriculture. If I have my hormat daripada Sungai Kesang tidak 825 28 APRIL 1961 826

payah-lah saya jawab kerana saya paling kucbar-kachir sekali-ta' hen• fikir itu sudah di-jawab banyak kali. dak menunaikan janji-ta' hendak membayar. Saya dukachita sedikit The Honourable Member for �erana Ahli itu datang dari Perlis, Rawang speaking just now asked if pk�lau sebetul-nya orangl dari Perlis I would agree with him. Not entirely 1a·1tu pak2 tani dari negeri Perlis but I agree with him because we hav� bendak sedar atas kemalaratan mereka no capacity. All the schemes that have itu dan insaf, boleh di-fikirkan kelak been started have been started after we dan kita beri akuan, beri bantuan atau have thought very carefully over them. pinjaman kapada orangl yang kita On coconut rehabilitation, we are not nampak akan tunaikan janji itu. starting rehabilitation yet until next year. What we lire doing just now is to I always receive bouquets from the get the administration organised. On the Honourable Member for Alor Star-of col!rse, bumper crops we always have. question of smallholders' mechanisa­ This year, again, it will be a very big tion. we are carrying out a pilot scheme one, perhaps, and the Honourable and we are spending only a. small s� Member for Alor Star will also benefit of money. So with the rest, of course. by it. (Laughter). But I am intrigued· about bis words in respect of little drops of water. Little Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pontian

sudah jawab berkenaan dengan Ahli It gives me great pleasure to propose dari Kota Bharu Hilir berkenaan an extremely substantial provision dengan telor tadi. under these Heads in the First Year of the Second Five-Year Development Sir, in reply to the Honourable Plan Estimates. Honourable Members Member for Bentong, I thank him for will observe that most of the projects saying kind words to me and about the included are necessarily large. They wild buffaloes in Pahang. Of course, make a substantial contribution to it is important that buffaloes be the improvement of living conditions. properly controlled; as I have said on many occasions in this House that the Under Head 136-Postal Services­ wildest buffaloes can be caught in the a total sum of $2,498,815 is being Temerloh area, because the owner provided for. The Postal Services himself does not know where his Department has been steadily extending buffaloes are wandering. Only when its services, but my Ministry he wants to sell the buffaloes he asks realises that this expansion must be somebody to catch the buffaloes and accelerated to keep pace with, and sell them. Usually the buffaloes to assist in the development of the belonging to another person are sold country. The Second Five-Year instead of his own buffaloes. (Laughter). Development Plan makes provision for a large number of additional Post Sir. in reply to my Honourable Offices in areas at present inadel:{uately friend from Damansara, in fact, this is served, and also for the extension of the first time that I hear that the existing offices where the rapidly estates had been unfair to the estate increasing business has caused un­ rubber tappers. In respect of most of avoidable delay. Also included in the the assistance given by the Veterinary provision are additional Mobile Post Department-for example, the better Offices which have proved popular and breed of Sindhi bulls distributed to beneficial to those living in the isolated estates-in most cases the estate areas. As Honourable Members are management has been very co­ aware. with the opening of each new operative. I do not know about this Post Office, or Mobile Post Office, one regarding Killinghall Estate. In another facility for Post Office Savings fact, I have no power over the estate is established, and the people are manager. and I think my Honourable provided convenient facilities for colleague, the Minister of Labour, saving with complete security. It there­ can take it up-and probably the fore benefits both the individual and Honourable Member himself also. the country. We always encourage; but in fact at the moment about 35% of the best Most of the projects provided for breed of Sindhi bulls are sent to the in the year 1961 are in respect of Post estates. (Applause). Offices to replace the existing buildings, which are inadequate to meet increases Question put, and agreed to. in Postal traffic. In order to standar· , The sum of $3 1,353,636 under dise all Post Office counters, a special Column 5 and $7,750,000 under item "Rehabilitation and Extensions Column 6 for Heads 130 to 135 to existing Post Offices" is also inclusive ordered to stand part of the entered in the Estimates. The sum Development Estimates. provided will also meet major altera­ tions to Post Office buildings in the Federation. Heads 136-140, 142 and 14+--- With regard to Head 137-Roads The Minister of Works, Posts and and Bridges-a total expenditure Telecommunications (Dato' V. T. of $35,293,602 is being provided. Sambantban): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg This will meet the cost of the construc­ to move that Heads 136 to 140, 142 tion of new roads, and improvements and 144, totalling $116,571,976 under to the existing Federal Road System, column 5, and $13,900,000 under in order to keep pace with the column 6, be approved. increased usage of road transport, and 829 28 APRIL 1961 830

also the construction of roads in rural bridges and reconstruction of weak and underdeveloped areas in the timber bridges, and also included in country. This will enable the necessary the programme are the strengthening access, and hence facilities for develop- and realigning of roads. I am glad to ment of these areas to proceed. This state here that we are now ready to programme of rural roads construction go out to tender for the construction was started in 1960 when the Rural of the bridges at Kemaman, Bu.kit Development Plan was launched, and Kuang, Paka and Dungun. Work on it is anticipated that 1,200 miles of Kerteh bridge, for which contract was new rural roads will be constructed by let out last year, is proceeding, and 1965. With the steadily increasing work on the bridge at Kuantan traffic on roads, it is essential that (called Tanah Puteb bridge) bas pavement capacities be improved, and commenced, tenders having been that they be made suitable for the use accepted. Among the projects under of heavier and more economical Other Federal Routes, are 8 bridges vehicles. As a start, weak bridges and now under construction, and the ferries, which are expensive to maintain improvements to the narrow and and a source of delay to road users, weak road linking Mersing and Endau, will be replaced during the year. The which connects with the new Rompin­ provision, in the Estimates, also allows Endau road. for the continuation of projects already Referring to New Road Construc­ started, and for additional new projects tion, works on the Pekan-Batu Palik within the above framework. road and the Slim River-Tanjong Under Route I, it is proposed to Malim road will commence this year, complete the construction of Bridge and provision is also made to meet No. 33/5 south of Ipoh, work on which the cost of survey and investigation started last year. The Segamat and of the proposed major extensions to the Sungei bridges and the Tanjong the existing road network. Bridge in Jitra and a few Bailey Under the American Development bridges in Johore, which have been Loan Fund Programme 3, the bridges a source of continued irritation to at Kerteh, Tanah Puteh and Dungun road users through Johore, as well as will be built. The Kuala Lumpur­ tbe 9th mile south of roads at Port Swettenbam road, the largest Seremban and 27th mile north of individual road project started under be Kuala Lumpur, all these will this Heading, will also be continued I. worked in 196 Further to that, there this year. Expenditure for the purchase will also be the realignment of roads of plant to be used on these projects south of Seremban, work on this is is also being provided. We are very already proceeding and it will con- g rateful to the American people and tinue. At the same time, there will their Government for the help that be completion of the southern approach they have given us. to the Alor Star bridge and streng- thening of the Krian Road which links Touching on Head 138-Water Sup- various parts. plies-a total expenditure of $18,540,604 is provided, and $13,900,000 of which Under Route II, 12 bridge projects · will be supplied from the loan. to replace existing will be undertaken, Included in these proposals are schemes by permanent weak timber bridges financed by loans from the Federal 4 stretches. Of these, bridges are Government, schemes financed by continuation projects, and the re- grants, schemes financed by State Improvements mainder, new services. Governments, and also schemes to be Simpah. to road over Genting implemented by Municipalities. In this and Maran Bentong-Temerloh road, - field, emphasis is being placed on the to Kuantan road, will also continue need to improve and increase the be carried out. supply of water to the population, and Under Route ill, start will be made in the rural areas. Based on previous on the work of replacing some of the records, it is estimated that the expen­ East Coast ferries by permanent diture of $105,678,000 over the next 831 28 APRIL 1961 832

• · five years will increase the supply of Ipoh, and the Survey Office in Taiping. treated water throughout the country The completion of the lpoh Govern­ by 45 million gallons per day, and ment Offices would enable several provide an additional 1.750,000 people Federal Departments to vacate their with piped water. Wherever possible, present unsatisfactory buildings, and the existing supplies to urban areas in other cases would provide much are being extended to the rural areas, needed accommodation for other but in other cases, new supplies will Federal Departments in Ipoh. The have to be provided which will meet project at Port Swettenham incor­ the demand of the rural areas only. porates the original proposal for a new office for the Harbour Master, with The programme for water supplies other accommodation entered in the has to be considered under several Five-Year Plan in connection with the schemes which I have just described. North Klang Straits proposal. The Those financed by Federal grants are, main items under the provision for in fact, continuation schemes from Renovations and Extensions at · Istana 1960, and financial provision has been Negara are an office block for the requested in full for ten schemes, to Istana staff, new second floor accom­ enable most of the works to be com­ modation, andalso expenses on account pleted this year. Next comes the of the Istana Negara Demesne. This schemes for which loans had already year's provision for the new Parliament been negotiated with State Govern­ House is for completion of site pre­ ments and signed. They include several paration, and the approach viaduct. water supplies in Negri Sembilan, Piling and foundation work will, it is Krian, and the Lower Perak Water hoped, be started this year. Supply Schemes in Perak, Water Supply improvements in Pahang, new The new items for which funds are Schemes for Yen, and Alor Star Water sought will provide building office Supplies in Kedah, and the completion blocks for the Ministry of Education, of extensions in Kuala Trengganu. Ministry of Health and Social Welfare, There are also schemes for which Federal Government Offices at Kota loans have been applied for, but not Bharu, and a National Memorial. yet signed. They include the Kulim Additional funds are also required for Water Supply, the extension of alterations to and reconditioning of the Tampin/Alor Gajah scheme in Government Offices and Federal buil­ Malacca, the new Pahang Schemes, . dings to improve working conditions, the Pantai Valley Extensions in Kuala and in connection with the inevitable Lumpur, the new Damansara Water changes in requirements of office Supply Scheme in Selangor and Phase accommodation, as Ministries move II of the Klang Gates Water Supply into premises vacated by other offices Schemes. Lastly, there are the F.L.D.A. having different requirements. Schemes, which are to be financed by the Federal Government. A nominal I now come to Head 140-Public provision of $2,000,000 has been re­ Works Plant-for which $36.187,602 quested, as the extent of the works is are to be expended during the year. unknown. Subheads 3 to 6 are continuation items. Subhead 7-Plant for Rural Develop­ Turning to Head 139-Government ment Programmes 1961·65, this plant Buildings-{other than Housing), sho­ comprises the various modem earth· wing a total expenditure of $11,347,408 moving machinery necessary for new which is one-third of the total sum road construction. The $10,000,000 allocated under the Second Five-Year provided for the purchase of new Plan, these funds are sought for con­ plant in 1960 has been spent, and the tinuation works started in 1960, and plant is now working in the field. A also for works which are scheduled further $11.2 million for the purchase

for commencement this year . Under of extra plant is urgently required to the second category are the Govern­ satisfy the needs of the State Engineers ment Offices for the Post Offices at now fu lly embarked on their new road Malacca, the Government Offices in programme. 833 28 APRIL 19�1 834

In order to improve road surfaces $4.2 million on the continuation of the and to reduce annual maintenance programme for the replacement of the costs, it is essential to provide a system older type sub-standard labourers of large centralised quarries throughout quarters, and $2.5 million on housing the country, and it is our intention to for the Public Services. do so. These fully mechanised quarries would be able to serve a road system Turning to the last Head, i.e. Head of 50 miles radius from the quarry. 144-Telecommunications-a total ex­ The road system of Malaya is devel­ penditure of $19,500,032 is entered. oping rapidly, and adequately surfaced I would like to say briefly that the roads can be best provided by machi­ principal policy of my Ministry will nery installed at centralised quarries be to continue to meet the public where large electrically-operated cru­ demand for telecommunications service shing plant can be utilised to the within the limits of the capital invest­ full to produce crushed stone at large ment outlined in the Second Five-Year and economic prices. Detailed planning Development Plan. Thus, the existing has been complete for the first 4 microwave scheme between Kuala centralised quarries. They are Penanti Lumpur and Singapore will be ex­ Quarry in Province Wellesley, Kuala tended to Ipoh, Penang, Sungei Patani Dipang Quarry in Perak, Batu Caves and Alor Star. New Automatic Tele­ Quarry in Selangor, and Lunchoo phone Exchanges will be provided at Quarry in Johore. At these quarries, Malacca, Seremban, Petaling Jaya, premix plants for resurfacing of roads Butterworth, Taiping and Sungei Patani, will be provided. With such centra­ and large extensions to existing Tele­ lised control. it will now be possible phone Exchanges at Kuala Lumpur, for us to proceed with the incorpora­ Ipoh and Penang will also be carried tion of rubber in the· bitumen, so that out. _ the laying of centralised roads will I would also like to mention that become standard practice throughout particular attention will be directed the country. This is a significant step towards telecommunications develop­ in the further improvement of our ment in rural areas, and a total of 100 roads. Public Call Offices will be installed For the major road works such as throughout the Federation, bringing the Slim River deviation, complete the total installed in rural areas to new teams are required, as all existing approximately 300. Telephone facilities plant, and plant on order is committed to Federal Land Development Autho­ to the Rural Development Programme. rity schemes, such as recently A provision of $1,000,000 is asked for completed small automatic exchange further extensions to State and District in the Bilut Valley, will be provided, Workshops, which are required to cope and rural automatic exchanges will with the increased holding of mecha­ also be provided in remote areas, such nised plant. as Penggerang and Sungei Rengit in In conjunction with these improve­ Joh ore. ments to our roads, it is intended to Telephone subscribers in the larger provide, wherever possible, cycle towns, such as Kuala Lumpur, tracks and footpaths in the vicinity Malacca, Ipoh and Penang, will, in of towns and villages on Federal roads. due course. be able to dial their own Members may have observed how trunk calls between these towns with­ very congested traffic is becoming in out the assistance of a telephone the vicinity of towns and villages, and operator. My Ministry will also it is felt that the provision of these continue to direct its attenti6n to the cycle and footpath tracks will increase extension and improvement of tele­ road-safety for pedestrians and cyclists phone and telegraph services to and, in fact, for . all road-users. overseas territories, in particular, to As regards Head 142-Government the neighbouring countries of South­ Housing-showing a total expenditure East Asia, and countries of the of $7,103,913, it is proposed to spend Commonwealth. In this context. I 835 28 APRIL 1961 836

· would like to mention that negotiations job being done by them, our objective with the Cable & Wireless are must be to give jobs to see that the proceeding, for the Federation Govern­ jobs are done as economically and as ment to take over the Cable & quickly as possible, so that labour is Wireless Installations at Penang. The advantageously used and the job is total provision . under this Head will done early in order that the country cover the Phase I of the Five-Year can benefit. Plan, to enable the Department to Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Government pursue the policy of providing should provide rock-breaking machines telecommunications services to the best and bulldozei;,s to these people working international standards to meet the on the Kuala Lumpur /Bentong Road, public demand, particularly in rural so that their labour will be more areas, and also to control the external productive and a great deal of their Telecommunications Service. effort would not be unnecessarily wasted and the job done much sooner. Enche' K. Karam Singh:Mr. Speaker, Sir, I refer to Head 137, Roads and Mr. Speaker, Sir, while an effort has Bridges, sub-heads 1 to 4 inclusive. been made to straighten and widen the What I am going to say, I hope, will Kuala Lumpur /Bentong Road, no find support from those Honourable effort has been made to straighten and Members who happen to come from widen the Kuala Kubu /Raub Road. Pahang. Sir, we know very well that Although the intention of putting the the Kuala Lumpur/Bentong Road and people to work on this Kuala Lumpur/ the Kuala Kubu /Raub Road are two Bentong Road was primarily not to of the main links-motor road links­ straighten the road but to get some between the West Coast and Pahang, inconvenient unemployed picketeers and through these two roads further away from Kuala Lumpur, since they on up the East Coast to the States of have now been put on to the job, it is Trengganu and Kelantan. hoped that they will be given modem and up-to-date rock-breakers to assist Mr. Speaker, Sir, in October, 1958, them in their work. a group of unemployed persons of our Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think that I country picketed for jobs in front of would not be exaggerating if I say that the Federal House and most of those if the Government straightens the people who were picketing were put on Kuala Lumpur/Bentong Road and the to work on the Kuala Lumpur /Bentong Kuala Kubu /Raub Road, the Govern­ Road for the purpose of straightening ment would be doing a service to that road, cutting out comers and humanity. I say so, because every time widening the road . It is almost two people travel along these roads they and a half years that these people get headaches and bouts of vomitting have been working on that road and and they cannot get out of bed for a all the tools that they have got are day or two-and I am sure our women changkols and pickaxes in their and children suffer most because their struggle against the granite mountain. constitutions are weak and they are In this case, I think that the Govern­ unable to stand all these windings and ment is trying to drag on the job so that these people will be engaged all cornerings that the journey entails. the time with their changkols and Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have seen pickaxes trying to hew and cut out posters put up by the Government huge mountains. In my view, the which read, "Accidents can be Government may be dragging on this prevented"-we know that accidents job so that it will take as long as can be prevented, but they can be possible and the Government will not prevented not only by users of the have to worry about getting new jobs road but they can also be prevented if for these people, who are already the Government provides good and working there. But, Sir, when we adequate roads. So, since the posters consider the provision of employment have been put up by Government, I for workers, and when we consider the think the Government should start the 837 28 APRIL 1961 838

ball rolling by straightening �hese two bath-in fact, they get dirtier and they roads that I have mentioned, because get all sorts of sores and itches. Mr. Speaker, Sir, many of the accidents-some of them fatal-have Mr. Speaker, Sir, on another estate in resulted in serious injuries and these Selangor, the Bukit Raja Estate, we cases have come to my knowledge .... find that water is in short supply and the labourers are unable to sleep at Mr. Speaker: You have been repeat­ night because they have to collect ing the same point ! water; also q�arrels arose among the labourers because of the shortage of Enche' K. Karam Singh: Regarding water-they have to compete for it the usage of these roads-if these two and that leads to trouble. roads are straightened and widened, they will make Pahang much more Mr. Speaker, Sir, there is a certain accessible to the people of the West place in Selangor where the people Coast and this in turn would lead to have to pay for the water that they increased trade and would also directly get and they have to employ persons lead to the further economic develop­ to fetch the water for them. In view of ment of that State. all these, I hope that the Government will take early action to extend the Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think that piped water facilities to all the rural Honourable Members who come people in Selangor State. from Pahang would like to see all these advantages accrue to the State Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to and I am sure they will rise iri ·support touch on the Tanjong Karang-Sabak of what I say, so that the people of Bemam Road included under the Pahang and the people who want to former Head. Sir, anyone who has travel to and from Pahang will benefit. travelled along this important highway Mr. Speaker, Sir, coming now to would know that this road consists of Head 138, Water Supplies, I would yellow sand, dust and stones that show like to refer to page 30, sub-head 38, through the sand. When the road is Damansara Water Supply, Selangor, dry, the dust flies about and goes into and sub-head 49, Klang Gates Water the kampongs, and the people in the Supply Scheme-Phase II. These kampongs breathe the dust in. When schemes as for the State of Selangor it is wet, the road is muddy and very and we hope that they will be further difficult to use. Sir, anyone who extended so that the people of the travels by motor-car along this road State will be able to get good water. gets a very good drubbing, and if the Sir, it is one of the strange things in car that is used on this road would this modern world that whereas some require to be sent for greasing, the people have drinks which come all the passenger also would require some way from England and Europe in the attention. Sir, the Tanjong Karang­ form of whisky and brandy, there are Sabak Bemam area is a very important people in our State, the poor people area in our country and it throbs with of the kampongs and estates who economic activities: So, before the could not have a decent glass of water Government embarks on any other to drink. programme of developing kampong roads, I would suggest that the Govern­ Mr. Speaker, Sir, in the Kuala ment should, first of all, improve the Selangor area, we find that on certain Tanjong Karang-Sabak Bernam Road. estates, which I have visited, the water Sir, in fact, there was an abor- · is not water which should be used for tive attempt by the Government to drinking-it would be more suitable improve this road-only about two for buffaloes to bathe in-and the chains of the road have been well result is that people fall sick and are macadamized and after that the -�-._ debilitated. They have to bathe with Government gave up the effort. Mr. the same water too and the result is Speaker, Sir, I therefore hope that the that they do not get clean after their Government will devote itself again to 839 28 APRIL 1961 840 this task which should receive top tentang talipon, ada satu jalan yang priority. akan di-buka oleh Kerajaan tidak lama lagi ia-itu daripada Raub sampai ka­ Enche' Hussein bin To' Muda Hasan Cameron Highland, maka perhubongan (Raub): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sa­ di-antara satu tempat ka-satu tempat senang2 sa-kali kerja dalam dunia ia­ itu "telephone booth" patut di-adakan. lah membuat chadangan tetapi tidak Dalam Meshuarat Budget yang lalu tahu melaksanakan chadangan itu. saya ada mengatakan ada kampong Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Damansara yang berkehendakkan "telephone tadi menyebutkan hal jalan dari Gap booth", di-harap Kementerian ini me­ sampai ka-Raub. Kami pendudok di­ ngambil perhatian yang berat atas hal kawasan Raub suka jalan sa-bagai­ itu. mana yang ada sekarang ini. Kami tidak suka orang datang ka-situ hendak Enche' Hanafi bin Mohd. Yunus jual koyok, biar-lah jalan itu saperti (Kolim Utara): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, (Tepok) yang ada sekarang ini jalan itu saya di-sini bagi seluroh pendudok2 80 telah tahun ada di-situ. Sunggoh bandar Kulim lagi sa-kali menguchap­ pun jalan itu bengkang-bengkok, kan sa-tinggi2 terima kaseh kapada derebar dari Pahang boleh di-katakan Kementerian ini kerana memberi (KeJtawa). champion membawa motokar peruntokan berkenaan dengan water Oleh itu saya tidak menyokong supply yang banyak. Tuan Yang di­ pendapat Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Pertua, saya perchaya dengan Damansara. Saya bangun bukan-lah peruntokan ini maka dapat-lah pen­ hendak "menegakkan benang basah" dudok2 Kulim yang telah lama tidak tetapi menegakkan perkara yang benar. merasa ayer tidak sa-rupa dengan Kerajaan sentiasa berikhtiar melebar­ tempat2 lain mak:a pada: kali ini dapat­ kan jalan itu, membuat benteng yang lah pendudok2 itu merasai ayer yang baik supaya jangan berlaku "accident" senang. Tetapi saya juga berasa Kami pendudok di-sana dukachita bimbang kalau2 ranchangan menjalan­ kerana lori2 yang datang dari luar kan kerj asama ini menjadi kalabatas. negeri Pahang yang mengambil segala Kerana yang saya dapat tahu ia-itu kayu di-situ tidak menghiraukan Road Kolam Ayer membawakan ka-sabelah Traffic Ordinance, mereka membawa Kulim dalam negeri Kedah itu ia-lah lori-nya tidak mengikut peratoran. letak-nya di-Seberang Perai, maka Berbalek saya kapada perkara jalan patut-lah Kerajaan hendak mengambil tadi, kami di-sana suka jalan yang persetujuan lebeh dahulu. Maka ada sekarang ini. dengan sebab itu-lah, Tuan Yang di­ Berhubong dengan Water Supply, di­ Pertua, saya takut kalau2 persetujuan Raub telah ada satu Water Supply ini lambat terchapai. Tetapi walau semenjak tahun 1951, perbelanjaan-nya macham mana sa-kali pun saya . harap, kalau saya tidak silap lebeh kurang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dengan kebijak­ $525,000 yang di-belanjakan daripada sanaan Menteri yang berkenaan dapat wang pinjaman. Dalam kawasan Raub memberi nasihat kapada kedua2 negeri pada masa sekarang ini orang telah itu supaya dapat di-jalankan kerja­ ramai, maka saya harap Kementerian sama2 itu dengan sa-berapa segera. ini membuat penyiasatan-nya sa-mula sama ada reservoir yang ada sekarang Mudah2an pendudok2 Kulim tidak-lah ini boleh menchukupi bagi pendudok lagi merasa susah sa-bagaimana saya di-kawasan Raub itu. terangkan dalam Dewan ini pada masa yang lalu. Barangkali saya ingat tiga Sekarang saya hendak berchakap empat puloh tahun yang lepas tidak­ tentang Government Buildings. Di­ lah merasa ayer kalau sa-kira-nya datang · Raub pada masa sekarang ini rumah musim kemarau maka ayer panchor untok Pegawai Bahagian I dan II yang keluar itu keluar saperti bueh dan sangatkurang . Saya harap Kemente?-an saperti ayer kopi. Jadi, Tuan Yang di­ ini menyiasat keadaan rumah Kera1aan Pertua, kalau sa-kira-nya ranchangan yang ada di-Raub dan bangunan yang ini dapat di-jalankan maka estimate lama itu patut di-baharui. Dan juga yang telah di-untokkan di-dalam 841 28 APRIL 1961 842

bantuan ini maka saya perchaya peri kapada jambatan di-beberapa bandar Kulim ini dapat di-luaskan buah tempat saperti di-Kemaman. atau di-panjangkani Iagi dalam bandar2 Bukit Kuang dan Kerteh, Dungun yang berhampiran kechil2 saperti kalau tidak salah saya .... Junjong, Padang Serai dan Lunas. Mr. Speaker: Chakap-lah (Ketawa) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, maka saya nanti di-1awab-nya. berharap-lah sangat kapada Menteri ini supaya datang ka-negeri Kedah dan Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji Pulau Pinang supaya perkhidmatan Muda: Ini-lah beberapa tempat yang kedua2 buah negeri ini dapat di­ akan di-tukar kapada jambatan. segerakan. Tentang chadangan itu saya sa-kali lagi menguchapkan terima ka�h Enche' Mohamed Asri bin Haji kapada Menteri Yang Berhormat. Muda (Pasir Puteh): Tuan Yang di- Maka mudah2an pada tahun hadapan Pertua, saya berchakap di-atas kepala . beberapa tempat peri dan jambatan 136 kepala kechil 10 dan 23 atas yang akan di-tukar itu akan selesai. perkara bangunan Post Office di- Kelantan, bagaimana Menteri itu mem- Berbubong dengan kepala ini dalam 1960 buat satu estimate atau rancbangan tahun dahulu saya juga pernah ini bagi membuat bangunan Post Office mengemukakan dalam Dewan supaya membuat jambatan di-Pasir baharu di-tempat2 yang di-nyatakan di- Mas dan jalan Bacbok. Dalam jawapan kepala kecbil itu, tentu-lah oleh sebab di-tempat itu barangkali Menteri yang berkenaan itu kalau tidak salah ingatan saya akan di-masokkan bangunan itu sudah tua atau tempat · dalam ranchangan pembangunan 5 1tu t'di a k munasa ba h . pa da tah u yang n tahun yang kedua. Tetapi tidak-lab Ialu saya telah menyatakan dalam saya nampak kenyataan ini dan ini Dewan ini tentang keadaan Post tidak dapat di-dengar. Office di-bandar Pasir Puteh yang saya katakan besar-nya lebeh kurang Kepala kechil 9, peruntokan sa- 4 kali bilek jual tiket loteri, maka banyak 15 million kerana Balai2 Raya manakala saya mengemukakan kapada kampong itu saya rasa suka-lah saya Yang Berbormat Menteri itu. beliau membuat satu ingatan supaya di-dalam telah memberi pengakuan akan memberi melaksanakan pembabagian wang un­ pertimbangan. Kepala kechil 10 dan 13 tok memberi peruntokan kapada. kepala 136 itu maseb-lah tidak Balai2 Raya di-kampong dalam negeri2: memuaskan ia-itu satu rancbangan ini dapat-lah membuat pembabagian2 estimate untok membuat bangunan yang adil. kerana itu akan dapat-lah baharu. Boleh jadi sa-sudah saya kampong2 itu menerima pembahagian meminta dalam Dewan ini bahawa atau merasa ne'mat peruntokan ini, Menteri itu akan memberi pengakuan, basil daripada chukai2 mereh yang oleh itu jangan-lah pengakuan itu ada-lah sher mereka di-dalam-nya. tinggal dalam Dewan ini sahaja. Kepala 139, kepala kechil 46 kerana Tuan Yang di-Pertua, kepala 137 bangunan baharu bagi Pejabat Kera­ dalam kepala kechil 3 tentang ke- jaan Federal di-Kota Bharu, mudah2an nyataan Menteri Yang Berhormat dapat di-segerakan dan akan dapat-lah usaha2 membaiki jalan2 di-Pantai Pejabat Pelajaran di-Kelantan itu ber­ 140 7, Timor, ini saya menguchapkan sama. Kepala kepala kechil a b n 11 mudah2an perkara ini akan berjalan peruntokan s - a yak juta sa-ratus dengan maju-nya dan akan dapat siap dua puloh ringgit kerana menjalank:an 1961 1965 dengan sa-berapa segara-nya. ranchangan2 hingga ia-itu kerana alat2 dan meshen2 untok Pem- Kepala kechil 8 ia-itu-lah project2 bangunan Luar Bandar. Berkenaan yang di-buat di-bawah bantuan pin- dengan ini juga sa-bagaimana yang jaman wang dari Amerika. Sa- saya katakan tadi dalam pembahagian bagaimana kenyataan Menteri Yang alat2 itu kapada semua negeri di-minta­ Berhormat itu bahawa daripada wang lab Menteri Yang Berhormat ini mem­ ini akan dapat di-buat .pertukaian bagi alat dengan sa-cbara adil. Kerana 843 28 APRIL 1961 844 apabila alat2 itu tidak di-l:>ahagikan plies. In the course of the speech by dengan adil maka kerja2 itu kurang the Honourable Minister, Sir, he did lanchar dan boleh menyebabkan timbul comment that the principal policy of pula tudohan2 yang mengatakan pega- his Department would be to meet the wai2 itu kurang chekap menjalankan needs and the demands of the people kerja2-nya atau sebagai-nya. Sa-benar- in this country. The Honourable nya kerja2 itu bukan-lah tergantong Minister eloquently made a flowery kapada pekerja yang chekap sahaja speech to this House when he led us tetapi tergantong juga kapada alat2 and the people of this country to a yang chukop. Sa-bagai satu mithal, fairy-land. As far as water is con­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ia-lah jalan dari- cemed, I would like to ask him certain pada Dabong .sampai ka-Jeli di-Ulu questions. I wonder whether he has K;elantan, oleh kerana kurang alat got ready the answers for them. How sa-hingga terpaksa-lah sa-buah tractor many stand-pipes, especially in Kuala yang di-beli oleh Kerajaan Negeri Lumpur or in Selangor, have been untok jalan Penggawa di-hantarkan installed in the last two years ? Accor­ ka-sana kerana membantu usaha itu ding to the rate of growth of population supaya kerja itu berjalan dengan sa- in this country-we understand every berapa segera yang chepat. Baharu2 ini year the growth is three per cent-and dapat-lah kita mengikuti dalam surat taking into account that this information khabar bahawa Yang Amat Berhormat is correct, there must be an adequate Timbalan Perdana Menteri telah me- number of pipes every year in the nyatakan bahawa pembinaan jalan itu various centres where there are no sedang berjalan dengan baik-nya. private connections for houses. For instance, I would like to quote 4! mile Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Kepala 144, Klang Road, a place between Petaling kepala kechil 53-Telephone Call Jaya and the Town Limit of Kuala Offices in Rural Areas. Dalam perkara Lumpur, with a population of 10,000 ini, saya rasa negeri Kelantan maseh people. Repeated requests and demands terlalu kurang peti2 talipon untok ke- gunaan orang2 kampong. Mithal-nya have been made over the last two years dalam kawasan Pasir Puteh ada dua for the installation of ·pipes, either tempat yang saya rasa kalau boleh public stand-pipes or connections to Menteri ini mengambil perhatian ia-itu private homes. The Public Works patut-lah di-buat peti2 talipon di-sana, Department had not given any thought yang pertama-nya ia-lah Wakaf Raja to an area where there are about 10,000 ia-itu satu tempat yang letak-nya di- people. It is not very far from Kuala antara sempadan Trengganu bemama Lumpur; it is just 4! miles from Kuala Bukit Yong dengan kawasan Pasir Lumpur. There is water supply in J Puteh, dan satu lagi di-Kampong Petaling aya; there is water supply up Terusan ia-itu satu kampong yang ter- to the Town Limit of Kuala Lumpur, letak di-tengah2 jalan yang menghubong- but between these two places, in the kan di-antara bandar Pasir Puteh dengan centre, for about one mile, there is no bandar Machang. Di-antara jalan itu, water supply. I hope that when the saya rasa belum ada satu pun di- . Minister implements his programme in tempatkan talipon untok kegunaan the near future, he would bear this in ra'ayat, pada hal jalan antara bandar mind and see that water supply is Machang dengan bandar Pasir Puteh granted to this place as early as pos­ yang jauh-nya lebeh kurang 1 8 batu. sible. Furthermore. Sir, it has become Saya rasa ini sa-bagai mithalan di- a fashionable thing for Ministers to kawasan saya, barangkali di-tempat evade responsibility. They say that lain pun lagi banyak tempat2 yang certain matters are the responsibility of menasabah yang ra'ayat lebeh ramai the States, but when such matters are dan perhubongan yang payah yang referred to the State Governments they memerlukan ada-nya peti talipon di- always shift their responsibility to the ederal Government. Wherever the tempat itu. F responsibility may lie, I would say that Enche' v. David (Bungsar): Mr. it is the concern of the P.W.D. and the Speaker, Sir, Head 138-Water . Sup- Minister concerned, for the P.W .D .. 845 28 APRIL 1961 846 should take full responsibility for the have been agitating that request for water supply of the area mentioned the last two years. This place has a just now. population of nearly 500 people and at times of emergency, they will have to go Sir. coming to Head 142-Govern­ to the Manager's bungalow and if the ment Housing-I observe the item Sub­ Manager feels that they should not use head 10, Federal Labour Lines. When the telephone, they could not use it at I talk about Federal Labour Lines, that juncture; and there is no public especially houses offered to the P.W.D. telephone in this area. So I hope that labourers, it is a shame for me to state the Minister, before venturing to pro­ the conditions of these houses; even vide multichannel radio links with the houses that are being built now are Thailand and other places, will con­ not of the standard size as they should centrate more in offering public tele­ be for workers to live in any modem phones to people who do not have society. I do not know who are the private telephones, and to people who designers of these houses, but I think require them . in times of need. the designers of these houses are still back to the 15th century. The houses Eoche' Chao Y ooo ODD (Kam.par): are designed in such a manner that Mr. Speaker, Sir, part of a country's they do not give an opportunity for wealth is measured by its communi� the families to live, at least, with the cation system-I am speaking under minimum of comfort in these houses. Roads and Bridges-and it is the I would like to draw the attention of usual but abnormal practice of the the Minister to see that houses are Government to promise the people a provided for people at least with the fair supply of roads and bridges and minimum of respectability, and not other requirements without fulfilling thinking that these people should not them. I understand that there is a plan be entitled for the rights which others in Perak for the town of Grik to be are entitled in this country. The labour linked or connected with the State of lines, especially for the P.W.D. workers, Kelantan by a road with the terminal are in the worst condition and they at Pasir Mas, if I am not mistaken. pose an ugly sight in the best part of This plan has been going on for quite Kuala Lumpur and in the other main a number of years, but it has not been towns of the country. Speedy action fulfilled. I hope the Honourable towards this is required and new types Minister concerned will see to this plan of houses should be designed, so that of road connection so that it can be the workers could enjoy a certain completed at the earliest possible time. amount of privilege. I am making this appeal because I Sir, coming to Head 144-;-Telecom­ know that once this connection is through to the State of Kelantan, munications-I would like to refer to revenue for the Government will be public telephones. Sir, The ordinary people of this country, are not interested increased, as goods and supplies from as much as the Ministers are interested other States in the West Coast to the to have multichannel radio links with East Coast will be improved-this will Thailand and other places. What they be the case as the goods and supplies are interested mainly is to have public will go by the improved communi­ telephones located iri various parts of cation system instead of going a long the town where they have no private way either through the Gap or the Kuantan area. telephones. Sir, I would like to refer . to Damansara Estate where a request Mr. Speaker, Sir, when I travelled for a public telephone has been made by train this evening, I saw in my own for the last two years. Well, the Minister constituency of Kampar that the main cannot run away from the fact because trunk road on the southern side of this was done by myself personally and Kampar Town as flooded, and th ere the reply we have received from the was a stream of cars on both sides Telecommunications Departmentis that of the road. I am surprised to see that they do not have extra telephones at the especially during the rainy days the moment, and we will have to wait I main trunk road should be blocked in 847 28 APRIL 1961 848 this manner, and I hope the kita hendak membuat sa-suatu kerja Honourable Minister will see that the mesti-lah ada anggaran perbelanjaan road is raised so that in future the dan saembang dengan orang yang main trunk road will not be blocked membuat kerja itu dari sa-tahun ka­ again. satahun. Kita jangan jadi macham "kanchil" badan kechil, chakap lebeh, Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think that the hendak buat kerja tidak boleh. Kera­ constituency of Kampar is one of the jaan Perikatan tidak mahu buat richest territories in Malaya in respect demikian, ia saembangkan apa yang ia of tin mining, and it has given revenue chakap dengan apa yang ia buat. to the Government more than any Erti-nya Ranchangan Lima Tahun other States. Therefore, I feel that as Kerajaan Perikatan itu ia-lah kita far as road is concerned the Ministry hendak buat segala apa yang di-lapor should provide more road communi­ dan segala apa yang di-tugaskan oleh cations to the kampongs, so that in jawatan-kuasa daerah dan negeri yang future the mining interests will be di-sahkan oleh Parlimen ini. Jikalau reached along these lines. When kita dapati sa-suatu kerja itu mena­ communication is amply provided, the sabah, mithal-nya, jalan raya dari resources of any place will · be Tanjong Karang ka-Sabak Bemam. improved. Saya rasa jalan itu telah lama di­ Sir, coming to Telecommunications binchangkan. Ahli Yang Berhormat regarding new automatic exchanges, I dari Damansara tadi mengatakan jalan would appeal to the Honourable the dari Tanjong Karang ka-Sabak Bernam Minister of Works, Posts and Tele­ itu harus di-buat. Yang sa-benar-nya, communications that since Kampar is a ia tidak tahu apa yang telah di-buat mining town to see to it that Kampar oleh Jawatan-Kuasa Kemajuan Daerah will have an automatic exchange, Kuala Selangor. Sa-bagai ahli jawatan­ because a lot of people over there have kuasa kemajuan luar bandar saya interests in the mining industry. I telah meminta dan telah mendapat make this appeal because I am of peruntokan pada tahun ini $500,000 opinion that the present telecommu· bagi membuat jalan dari Tanjong nication system should be improved, Karang ka-Sungai Burong ; walau pun particularly having in view that there peruntokan ini di-beri kita tidak boleh are plenty of floods during the rainy buat sa-kali gus jalan yang sa-jauh season and that the mines will be 38 batu itu. Kita tahu jalan Sabak handicapped through lack of quicker Bernam itu baik dan boleh di-lalui telecommunication and that the tele­ walau pun habok banyak, tetapi foun­ phone exchange at the present time dation jalan itu kita mesti fikirkan, is not very good. That is all I have berapa tahun dan berapa lipat kali to say. ganda lagi batu patut di·taroh kerana di-bawah tanah itu lembut dan dekat Eoche' Hamzah bin AJang: Tuan dengan tepi laut. Orang Tanjong Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak ber­ Karang hendak lekas itu memang patut chakap berhubong dengan jalan raya di-buat lekas, tetapi kita tidak boleh • dan paip ayer _ yang hendak di-buat buat dengan segera. di-luar bandar sa-bagaimana yang di­ sebutkan dalam Kepala 137 dan 138. Sa.ya menguchapkan terima kaseh Pada pendapat saya pehak pembang­ kapada Kementerian ini kerana hendak kang dalam Dewan ini memikirkan membuat satu jalan di-Bukit Kapar. bahawa Kerajaan Perikatan ini mesen, yang mana jalan itu akan di-buat pada pada tahun 1961 ini semua jalan raya bulan May ini. Tetapi, saya · suka dan paip ayer di-luar bandar hendak mengingatkan Kementerian ini, saya siap. Kita hendak-lah memikirkan mendapat khabar bahawa jalan dari bahawa negeri kita ini baharu mer­ Tanjong Karang ka-Sabak Bernam itu deka, kita membuat kebaikan di· hendak di-buat sa-jauh 3 batu belanja­ kampong itn dari sa-tah.un ka-satahun, nya $250.000 dan jalan ka-Sungai ' kita tidak dapat buat macham kilat, Burong sa-jauh 1 batu $250,000. Saya hari ini chakap, besok siap. Kalau fikir. Tuan Yang di·Pertua, perkara 849 28 APRIL 1961 850 ini tidak betul. Sebab-nya saya katakan m?therland, blew up the Alor Star ti�k bet� ia-lah orang yang datang bndge (Laughter), and it is almost

Mahang. These are two towns on and, if possible, treat this matter with both sides of the State boundary , and great urgency so that the two bridges the postmen from Serdang deliver will be repaired without further delay. letters to Selama, Kedah, and in Selama, and the road repaired also. Perak the postmen deliver letters to Mahang, Perak. It shows very little Under Head 138, sub-head 50, Kulim co-operation between the two post Water Supply, my friend and colleague offices because postmen will have to has just now given a very graphic des­ cycle some ten to twelve miles to haye cription of the condition of the water letters delivered, whereas they are just supplied in the town. Mr. Speaker, Sir. on opposite sides of the border. There all along I had believed and constantly are several other villages like Sungai pointed out that Kulim Water Supply Takar, Sungai Batu and other places was one of the worst in the country, but where the postmen go there once a from what the Honourable Member week and in other places twice a week. from Damansara said about the That is very inconvenient when we terrifying results obtained from have got our boys in the area who have drinking the water from the Daman­ gone to the Congo as well as to lots of sara Water Supply, I was thinking others gone on Haji Pilgrimage who that the people of Kulim were always send money to Mecca. If we not so unfortunate after all. From have a mobile post office around the what he described as the results of area it will be very convenient and will drinking the water from the Damansara be of great benefit to the rural kampong Water Supply it surely gives me the folks. impression that the Honourable Mem­ ber must have been drinking and I wish to refer to Head 137, sub­ bathing in that Damansara water most head 7, Road System Survey. I should of the time (Laughter). like to congratulate the Minister that at long last we are proposing to have Encbe' Zulkiflee bin Muhammad: this done, because in other countries Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam kemajuan as soon as one goes there, one can negeri dalam pembangunan, Kemen­ usually buy Government prepared road terian ini-lah yang menjalankan tugas maps. Whereas in our own country, Sir, yang besar kerana kebanyakkan-nya all these road maps, I observe, are pembangunan yang besar ada-lah di­ prepared by the two big oil supplying amanahkan kapada-nya. Dalam Kepala companies such as Shell and Socony. 137 ada beberapa kerja yang besar2 If you go to filling stations, the Govern­ akan di-jalankan. Sa-belum saya menye­ ment does not supply any road maps butkan satu2 perkara itu, saya suka and all that, but only those supplied meminta supaya Kementerian ini me­ by the oil companies. merhatikan chara ekonomi dan jimat Mr. Speaker, Sir, I hope that this chermat dalam belanja-nya dengan survey will be completed soon, because chara mengikut kaedah yang di-luluskan from this book I observe that there is oleh Dewan ini. Dalam perkara tender an item of Photographic Survey; and apa yang telah di-bahathkan dan di­ I also hope that with this photographic bangkitkan oleh sa-orang Ahli Yang survey instrument we might be able to Berhormat dalam Dewan ini patut-lah complete the road survey quickly and menjadi satu perhitongan kapada Ke­ efficiently. menterian yang bersangkutan dalam hal ini ia-itu perkara memberi contract Under sub-head 9, Grants for kapada orang2 yang di-ragu2kan. State and Rural Roads, I should like to bring to the attention of Minister Kepala Kechi! 9 ada menyebutkan that in my constituency the roads from Grants to State and Rural Roads. Selama to Mahang passing through the Sa-orang Ahli Yang Berhormat dari villages of Sungei Taka and Sungei Kapar telah mengatakan bahawa me­ Batu are very bad and two of the nerusi Jawatan-Kuasa Pembangunan bridges are at breaking point. I should Luar Bandar ini yang dia telah men­ like the Minister to take notice of this dapat $500,000 bagi membuat jalan 853 28 APRIL 1961 854

Sabak Bemam, dan setahu saya tentu· kejar dengan motor-car, tetapi di-ka­ lab jalan itu di-buat tidak semata2 wasan saya umpama-nya jalan pun ta' kerana hendak mengisikan apa yang di­ ada di-satengah2 tempat melalui' sungei katakan membuat jalan kapada ran­ sakira-nya ta' dapat di-adakan talipon changan FLDA. Nyata-lah bahawa di-tempat2 itu maka dengan sebab itu jalan ini di-buat kerana kepentingan perhubongan ra'ayat terputus dan sa­ orang2 di-Sabak Bernam yang berhajat­ kira-nya berlaku sa-suatu hal maka kan satu jalan dalam negeri itu. Dalam amat-lah menyusahkan hendak me· kawasan saya ada sa-batang jalan dari..,_ nyambongkan diri mereka dengan pada Bachok melalui Wakaf Setam. masharakat di-tempat yang terpenchil Hal ini sudah saya tanya dengan Men­ itu. teri Yang Berhormat dan menurut keterangan-nya perkara ini akan di· Perkara yang akhir yang saya hendak timbang untok di-masokkan dalam sebutkan ini, saya perchaya ada bebe­ Ranchangan Pembangunan Lima Tahun rapa orang yang ta' suka mendengar, Yang Kedua. Tidak-lah saya ketahui dan saya sengaja hendak menyebutkan sama ada sudah di-masokkan atau di-sini sa-bagai tanda yang bertanggong tidak, tetapi apa yang saya ketahui jawab ia-itu Head 139, sub-head 39- dengan sah-nya bahawa jalan ini telah Renovations and Extensions to Istana di-masokkan oleh Jawatan-Kuasa Pem­ Negara. Hal ini tidak popular bagi sa­ bangunan Luar Bandar dengan men­ saorang itu membuat remark umpama­ dapat keutamaan, maka saya berharap nya, tetapi saya suka hendak mendapat apabila hendak menimbangkan soal jawapan dari Menteri yang bersang­ Grants to State and Rural Roads yang kutan ia-itu apa-kah yang hendak di­ memakan belanja $15,000,000 ini, Ke· buat lagi dalam Istana Negara yang menterian Kerja Raya yang akan ber­ memakan belanja dekat $1 million itu. tanggong jawab dalam hal ini dan akan Teringat saya dahulu ia-itu dahulu pun dapat memikirkan soal ini. Yang sa­ kita telah membelanjakan wang bagi benar-nya jalan yang di-buat daripada membuat dapor, hall dan sa-bagai-nya, Bachok ka-Wakaf Setam ini ada-lah tetapi sa-kira-nya ini yang berkehendak­ satu jalan yang sa-benar-nya di-gunakan kan $938,000 lagi, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh ra'ayat di-tepi pantai. terutama tentu-lah kita suka supaya Seri Paduka mereka yang hidup dengan chara Baginda Yang di-Pertuan Agong men­ nelayan. Dengan ada-nya jalan saperti dapat keluasan, tetapi biar-Iah Dewan ini dapat-lah mereka ini meluaskan ke­ ini tahu apa yang sa-benar-nya yang hidupan dan pendapatan mereka dan hendak di-buat berkenaan dengan be­ dengan yang demikian dapat-lah orang2 lanja yang sa-bagitu banyak. saperti itu hidup sechara yang di-ke­ hendaki benar2 oleh pendudok negeri Enche' Mohamed Yusof bin Mah­ ini. Saya berharap supaya hal ini di­ mud: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya timbangkan oleh Menteri yang ber­ hendak berchakap berkenaan dengan sangkutan. Kepala 136, Kepala Kechil 32-Rural Mobile Post Offices and Garages. Bagi Kedua, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh daerah saya perkhidmatan Rural Mo­ kerana kebanyakan kerja yang di-jalan­ bile Post Office ini, rasa saya sangat kan oleh Kementerian ini ada-lah kurang, sunggoh pun ada pada masa ini dengan tugas untok Ranchangan Pem­ perkhidmatan tersebut di-Temerloh, bangunan Luar Bandar, maka saya Telok Sentang, tetapi orang2 yang berharap soal · talipon yang jauh dari­ dudok di-tepi sungai itu di-ulu dari­ pada tepi2 jalan supaya di-timbang dan pada itu sampai ka-Kampong Mai ini di-utamakan. Memang benar kehendak lebeh kurang 22 batu daripada beberapa . orang Ahli2 Yang Berhormat Temerloh yang berkehendakkan sangat, di-beberapa kawasan tentang mustahak­ dan dapat kira-nya mereka berkhid­ nya di-adakan talipon di-tempat2 yang mat di-Rural Mobile Post Office ini­ ta' ada. talipon, tetapi kadang2, Tuan tidak hari2, tetapi kalau dapat dua Yang dt· Pertua, ada sa-suatu tempat itu kali sa-minggu pun rnereka sangat kalau ta' ada talipon, jalan-nya elok, berpuas hati. Saya telah bertanya maka dengan sendiri-nya orang2 boleh kapada pejabat ini maka saya dapati 855 28 APRIL 1961 856 oleh sebab, pertama kata-nya ke· bekerja di-situ. Saya melihat sel':i.diri kurangan wang, kerana hendak mem· ia-itu Jabata.n Kerja Raya mengadakan beri allowance kapada postman yang mesen yang besar untok memechah akan pergi ka·tempat itu. Yang kedua batu itu bukan-lah dengan tangan, dan berkenaan dengan kekuatan motor tempat2 yang tidak boleh di-gunakan yang berjalan itu kurang sangal Maka dengan tangan di -adakan bulldozer saya harap juga dapat perkhidmatan oleh Keraj aan. Jadi kita tidak faham pos ini sambil menghantar suratz dan bagaimana kedudokan yang sa-benar· juga boleh · mengadakan perkhidmatan nya yang telah di-perhatikan oleh menyimpan wang supaya dapat juga Ahli Yang Berhormat itu. Saya dapati orang2 kampong itu ta' payah pergi pekerja di-situ saperti biasa, tidak-lah ka·Temerloh atau pun ka-tempat2 lain. sa-bagaimana yang di-katakan me­ mechah batu yang bertan2 berat-nya Satu chara, rasa saya perkhidmatan itu dengan menggunakan pickaxe. ini dapat di-baiki lagi ia-itu meng· Dan ia mengatakan jalan di-situ gunakan motor2 baharu saperti motor bengkang-bengkok ia-itu jalan dari yang menggunakan jet, oleh sebab Bentong ka-Kuala Lumpur. Saya suka sungai Pahang ada masa-nya motor itu memberi tahu Ahli Yang Berhormat ta' boleh lalu oleh kerana ayer-nya itu walau pun jalan itu bengkang­ terlampau kering. Saya tahu juga boat bengkok tetapi kita belum mendengar yang di-gunakan sekarang ini ada lagi kejadian yang dahshat saperti ada masa-.nya ta' boleh di-gunakan ber­ kereta yang jatoh ka-bawah bukit dan jalan jauh, oleh sebab kekeringan sa-bagai-nya. Ia membawa perkara ini, ayer di-Sungai Pahang. Saya per· barangkali berhubong dengan satu chaya dengan menggunakan alat kejadian yang baharu2 ini sa-orang modern i.ni motorz boat yang meng.:. ahli Socialist Front "head on collision" gunakan jet dengan 4 inchi ayer sahaja di-batu 20. motor boat itu boleh berj alan dan perkhidmatan itu dapat di-sampaikan Sekarang saya hendak berchakap kapada orang2 yang di-tepi sungai ia· tentang Reconditioning of Federal itu di-antara Temerloh dengan Kuala Offices! and other Buildings saperti Mai. yang di-sebutkan dalam sub-head 4. Saya hendak menarek perhatian Sa-perkara lagi, Tuan Yang di­ Kementerian i.ni tentang rumah bagi Pertua, saya hendak berchakap ber­ pekerja bergaji rendah saperti kenaan dengan Kepala 137 ia-itu Roads Hospital Labour Line di-daerah and Bridges. Sa·bagai wakil negeri Bentong dan Mentakab� yang mana Pahang saya menguchapkan terima patut sangat mendapat perhatian yang kaseh di-atas segala kebaikan yang di­ 'berat daripada Kementerian supaya buat oleh Kementerian ia-itu mengada· rumah itu sa-suai dengan keadaan pada kan jalan raya dari Kuala Lumpur masa i.ni. Rumah itu sudah lama sampai Bentong dan Kuantan. Dalam sangat, saya tahu kerana saya bekerja hal ini saya lebeh tahu daripada Ahli di-situ sa-lama 24 tahun, maka Yang Berhormat dari Damansara kedudokan-nya maseh bagitu juga. apabila ia mengatakan kalau kerja itu hendak chepat hendak-lah meng· Pada akhir-nya, Tuan Yang di· gunakan perkakas yang moden .. Saya Pertua, saya menguchapkan terima berasa hairan dalam perkara ini kerana kaseh di-atas segala ranchangan mem­ dengan jalan itu orangz yang bekerja buat jalan yang sedang di-jalankan itu akan menganggor sa-mula. Pendi· dengan giat-nya di-daerah saya, rian-nya itu saya tidak faham. Kita terutama sa-kali daripada Kuala Krau, hendak memberi kerja kapada orang saya rasa perkhidmata.n ini akan yang menganggor, tetapi sa-balek-nya memberi faedah yang besar kapada Ahli Yang Berhormat itu menggalak­ orang ramai yang belwn menekmati kan supaya penganggoran banyak jalan raya. dalam negeri i.ni. Ia juga mengatakan kit.a tidal:: mengguna.kan perka.kas yang Puan Hajjah Zain binti SuJaiman: moden · untok memechah batu, barang­ Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak ber­ kali ia tidak pernah melihat orang yang chakap berkenaan dengan Roads and 857 28 APRIL 1961 858

Bridges sa-bagaimana yang di-sebutk:an Baling, tetapi dukachita di-sebutkan dalain Head 137. Dalam bulan Decem­ kereta yang tersebut itu hingga hari ber dahulu saya telah merayu tentang ini belum lagi kelihatan, barangkali jambatan di-Pontian Kechil. tetapi boleh jadi ada perkara2 yang meng­ saya menchari dalam Head ini dan . gendalakan yang tidak dapat kereta juga dalam uchapan Yang Berhormat yang tersebut di-hantar ka-Baling. Menteri tidak ada di-sebutkan hal Waiau bagaimana pun saya ber­ itu. Apa yang hendak saya jawabkan harap mendapat ikhtiar dengan sa­ apabila saya pergi ka-Pontian dan berapa chepat supaya di-hantar di­ apabila di-kerumuni oleh orang2 di­ sana. Dan lagi satu perkara saya bandar itu akan bertanya : lbu, mendapat rayuan daripada orang2 di­ jambatan bila hendak di-buat? Saya sana ia-itu berkenaan dengan Talipon harap mendapat jawapan yang betul2 Automatic di-Pekan Baling, jadi saya tegas sama ada hendak di-buat dalam faham di-Baling itu, pehak Kemen­ tahun 1961, 1962, 1963 atau 1964. terian ini telah bersetuju hendak Sa-lain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di­ mengadakan pejabat atau rumah yang Pertua, saya menguchapkan banyak baharu bagi talipon itu dan saya harap terima kaseh kapada Yang Berhormat dapat di-adakan dengan sa-berapa Menteri kerana mengadakan pejabat segera yang boleh. pos di-Kukup dan di-Pekan Nanas. Pendudok di-kawasan itu tentu-lah Tuan Yang di-Pertua, pada akhir­ sukachita apabila mendapat pejabat nya saya suka-lah berchakap ber­ pos itu. Dan juga Pejabat Pos, Johor kenaan dengan Talipon Orang Ramai Bharu, itu sudah burok benar dan atau lebeh terkenal dengan nama tidak senonoh-menakutk:an sahaja, talipon Merdeka. Saya suka menarek kalau pejabat pos itu di-baiki saya perhatian Kementerian ini ia-itu menguchapkan terima kaseh. Tetapi memohon supaya di-adakan talipon2 orang ramai di-Pekan Tawar. Kuala Yan� B�rhormat Menteri tolong-lah apa 1ua kira-nya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Pegang, Kampong Lalang. Sa-benar-nya memberi jawapan yang tegas pada di-kawasan itu ia-lah ·mempunyai malam iru tentang jambata.ni di-Pontian pendudok2 yang ramai juga yang ada Kechil-besok saya hendak balek kepentingan-nya menggunakan talipon (Ketawa). dan kawasan itu ada-lah berhampiran dengan Estate, jadi saya rasa memang­ Enche' Baron bin Abdullah: Tuan lah mustahak kalau di-adakan talipon. Yang di-Pertua. dalam meshuarat yang Sa-kali lagi saya berharap supaya lalu saya telah menyuarakan dalam dapat di-adakan Talipon Orang Ramai Majlis ini meminta kapada Yang itu dengan sa-berapa segera yang Berhormat Menteri Kerja Raya Pos boleh. da� Talikom sa-orang pegawai pos di­ Pe1abat Pos. Baling. Pada hari ini Sitting suspended at 10.45 p.m. Kementerian telah menghantar pega­ wai yang tersebut itu. Pendudok di- Baling yang menggunakan Pejabat Sitting resumed at 10.55 p.m. Pos di-situ menguchapkan banyak (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) terima kaseh kapada Kementerian ini yang telah menyenangkan mereka dari­ EXEMPTED BUSINESS pada masa yang lalu. (Motion) Sa-perkara lagi yang saya suka bang­ kitk:an dalam Majlis ini ia-lah dalam (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) beberapa bulan yang lalu saya telah The Prime Minister: mendapat pengakuan daripada Yang Mr. Speaker, Berhormat Menteri Kerja Raya me­ Sir, I beg to move. ngatakan bahawa awal tahun 1961 ini That the proceedings in the Committee of -�-.. sa-buah kereta pos bergerak akan di­ the House on the Development Estimates, 1961, be exempted from the provisions of hantar untok di-gunak.an di-kawasan Standing Order 12 (1) until 11.30 p.m. kampong yang berhampiran dengan tonight. 859 28 APRIL 1961 860

The Minister of Internal Security as a Government with sociai conscious­ (Dato' Dr. Ismail): Sir, I beg to second ness, as a humanist Government, we the motion. fell that we ought to give them this work (Applause). Question put, and agreed to. He also made certain remarks with Resolved, regard to the water supply in Kuala That the proceedings in the Committee of Selangor and Selangor generally. In the House on the Development Estimates, fact, he wanted water to be given to 1961, be exempted from the provisions of Standing Order 12 (1) until 11.30 p.m. all the people in Selangor. Sir, water tonight.. has always been a State subject. We come in where it is a question of loans, co-ordination between the States, and THE DEVELOPMENTESTIMATES, planning for the water supply. He 1961 would, of course, have heard me say House immediately resolved itself that at the end of this period we hope into Committee. to provide water for almost two million more people in the country. Already a (Mr. Speaker in the Chair) considerable number use piped water supply, a very high percentage in fact, . Debate resumed on Question : and this will be increased by a further That the sums of $116,57 1,976 under two million, not only in Selangor but Column 5 and $13,900,000 under Column 6 for Heads 136 to 140, 142 and 144 stand all the other States too. part of the. Development Estimates, 1961. He proceeded then to mention the Question again proposed. Tanjong Karang-Sabak Bemam Road-that it was dusty and that it Dato' V. T. Sambanthan: Mr. was in fact not at all a road. If the Speaker, Sir, I must confess that I Honourable Member had tried to go have been surprised to some extent, along that road a few years ago, he but not unduly, by what the Honour­ would have found the non-existence of able Member for Damansara said a road. This road: has• been constructed when he suggested that we ought to recently and the work is still continu­

hurry up with the work at Genting ing. Our intention is to continue with · Simpah by giving the workers there, the work of the road right up to Utan bulldozers and such like. I am afraid Melintang so that there will be that he has not understood the basis connection right up to Telok Anson of the work that is proceeding at and the work is proceeding apace. I Genting Simpah. There were a number would have expected the Honourable of unemployed youths and the Govern­ Member to throw a bouquet at the ment felt in all honestness that we P.W.D. and the Government for having ought to give them some work and the undertaken the construction of this very Genting Simpah project was begun. good road and for having proceeded Any Government, any humanist with such speed, but then I suppose it Government, which has some social is impossible to expect bouquets from consciousness, would do that. But I Members of the Opposition, except find that the Honourable Member from certain Members of the Ruling for Damansara is unable to Party who today were kind enough to understand it. However, I am afraid offer the Government very nice and we will have to continue with the good bouquets. work at Genting Simpah. We are quite The Honourable Member for Raub satisfied� with the progress of the work. mentioned the need for accommodation In fact, the P.W.D. wanted to do it. for Federal Government servants. I will They could do it much faster with look into this and will see what can their bulldozers, but we feel that be done for his area. bulldozers are not the answer all the time and that human beings must live, The Member for Kulim Utara must continue to Jive, and will con­ mentioned the water suppl)' for Kulim, tinue to live, and that, as I have said, as did the Member for Kulim-Bandar 861 28 APRIL 1961 862

Bharu. I would wish to state here that Councillor for two years, I think, and I am one of those who felt verykeenly he should have been in a better position the need for good water for Kulim, to have told us as to how many stand because I had the fortune, or whatever pipes there were in Kuala Lumpur you call it, of having been at Kulim (Laughter). But, having asked that and having had the opportunity .to have question, he proceeded at once and said tasted the water at Kulim. My com­ that at 4! mile stone, Kuala Lumpur/ mentary on it was that it was very Petaling Jaya there was need for a much like ditch water. I told them that stand pipe. The Honourable Member is the right thing for them to do was to a member of the Selangor State Council. approach their own State Government He has also been on the Municipality and that at the same time we over here and it appears that despite all his would also try to speed up the provi­ vocife1ation-and he talks a lot-he sion of water supply for Kulim. But has not been able to get one single unfortunately the whole thing has hit stand pipe at 4t mile stone, Kuala a snag now. in that, Penang and Kedah Lumpur. I am really sorry to note the are yet to sign an Agreement. Once inability of the . Honourable Member they have signed it, then the Federal to provide anything for the people over Government will push through with there (Laughter). He proceeded to say all speed to provide them with the one that the houses for the P.W.D. workers and a half million odd dollars and the were very badly designed. I would be Federal Ministry of Works will also grateful to him if he can give us some hurry up with providing plans, so that positive suggestions as to where these Kulim can have a good water supply designs are bad and how they ought to within the next two years-that is as be improved. If he does that, I assure fast as possible. him that I will certainly pay attention, The Honourable Member for Pasir provided, of course, that there is a cei­ ling to the expenditure that we would Puteh mentioned that he needs a Post Office at Pasir Puteh. He would have like to have at our different division observed that we are already building a houses. Then again he says that he has lot of Post Offices and these are not been trying to have a phone for the only kept within the western part of Damansara estate for two years and has the country but that even the East been writing letters. He never told me Coast has had its own supply of Post about it, and I do not know if he even (Laughter). Offices. As we go on building them, wrote letters I will certainly bear in mind his request for a Post Office at Pasir The Member for Kampar mentioned Puteh. A� for his request for telephone that he would like to have an automatic boxes, I wish to tell him that we are exchange for Kampar. Even before his generally guided by the Red Book mentioning it, the Department has been about these telephone boxes or going ahead with trying to provide Merdeka boxes. But I would like to automatic exchanges wherever possible. tell him that we have not had any Kampar will have an automatic ex­ entry at all in the Red Book from the change in 1962. East Coast States of Kelantan and As regards the bridge at Alor Star, Trengganu. Since they have not entered I am afraid that the eagerness to anything at all in the Red Book, it is "preserve" the Bailey bridge at Alor not possible for me to provide anything Star is really a matter for the State because no request has been made. I Government. They would like to keep do not know how it happened, but it as a momento possibly, and also as that is what it is. something through which pedestrians The Honourable Member for Bung­ and cyclists traffic could move. As for sar said many things, amongst them, the Federal Government, we have, as · of course, he asked me how many the Honourable Member would have stand pipes there were in Kuala known, provided a bridge and we are Lumpur, a question at which I am now building the southern approaches surprised because he was a Municipal to that bridge. .. ,

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The Honourable Member for Kulim­ Sir, I beg to move that Heads 145 to Bandar Bharu wanted a Mobile Post 149, totalling $8,365,944 under column Office, and so did the Member · for 5 and $16,611,000 under column 6 be Baling. I would wish to assure that a approved. number of Mobile Post Offices will soon be under preparation and I shall try Head 145-Malayan Roilway- to provide one wherever possible. There will be one as far as I know A total amount of $1,899,000 is based at Kuala Ketil, and if it can sought under this Head, and Honour· cover both areas, no one will be happier able Members will note that the figures than myself. ·At the opening of the appear in column (6) rather than Mobile Post Office too I hope they column (5), indicating that these are will be present and I shall certainly ask Loan funds on which the Malayan either of the Honourable Members, Railway will pay interest to the or both of them. to speak, and I hope Government. The funds sought are all their constituents will be as happy as in respect of continuation works. the House in this. The amount entered under Sub-head The Honourable Member for Bachok 8 is to enable the Railway to close mentioned the Waka/ Setan road. I certain signal cabins. Improved signal­ replied even earlier that this was a ling techniques will allow this and State road-I remember very well that provide considerable savings to the I replied that it is a State road. It is Railway annually. not a Federal road and therefore does not come under me at all. As regards Regarding Sub-head 11, under an the improvements to the lstana, the earlier stage of the First Five-Year improvements include the building of a Development Plan, the Railway Admi­ new floor above the present flooring, nistration acquired equipment to build because there is no accommodation at two additional air-conditioned sleeping all in the Istana, in addition to essential coaches. During the financial stringency improvements, so that it will keep up of 1958, funds had to be withdrawn, to the status of the country. preventing the completion of these The Honourable Member for coaches. The funds now sought will Temerloh wanted improvements to be enable equipment lying idle to be put made to the hospital labour lines and to use to earn revenue. others. I will certainly look into that. Sub-head 19, General Commercial As to the request for an automatic Development, provides funds for the telephone exchange at Baling, we are construction of sidings serving com­ on the way to providing it. mercial areas, and new layouts, calcu­ lated to bring rail facilities within easy As to the request by the Honourable reach of the users. Member for Pontian Selatan-'-she said jawapan tegas she wanted a about the Sub-head 20, Permanent Way Im· Jamb11tan Pontian Kechil-fasal Jam­ provements (1960 Programme), will batan Pontian Kechil itu saya suka enable the Railway Administration to beri jawapan yang tegas boleh-lah draw on loan funds to meet expendi­ jambutan itu di-buat di-dalam tahun ture authorised but so far met from its (Laughter). 1962. own resources. It will be appreciated Question put, and agreed to. that the Administration, as a matter of financial prudence, does not draw on The sums of $130,471,976 for Heads loan funds earlier than strictly neces­ 136 to 140, 142 and 144 agreed to sary, since interest must be paid. stand part of the Development Esti­ mate:;, 1961. In order to obtain the best possible use of its goods wagons the Railway HeafAs 145-149- must provide · modern vacuum-brake The Minister of Transport (Enche' equipment for them. $300,000 of the Sardon bin Haji Jubir): Mr. Chairman, amount sought under Sub-head 22 will

----·--·---·------865 28 APRIL 1961 866 meet the cost of work already com­ Commission to complete the develop· pleted, and a further $114.000 will ment of Wel d Quay. The sum was allow the project to continue. indeed approved in the 1960 Develop­ ment Estimates but has remained un­ Sub-head 31 is intended to provide spent since completion of the project the cost of equipment enabling a cross­ is bound up with the question of the ing station to be remotely controlled future administration and control of from the next manned station. This of the waterfront, a complicated question course represents considerable economy which has been under negotiation with in wages and maintenance. the State authorities. The Penang Port The sum of $300,000 under Sub-head Commission is all ready to go, and I 36, Kuala Lumpur Sewerage Scheme, trust the State Government will give its will finance completion of the scheme decisions, early so that the Commission to connect Railway premises with the can make a start on the work and Municipal sewerage system in Kuala complete it as soon as possible. Lumpur. The Commission. which is charged Sub-head 37, again, provides for with responsibility for co-ordinating the drawing on loan funds provided but not port's activities and for future port · drawn in 1960. for the improvement, planning, is pursuing a forward policy. by automatic devices, of train signalling After initial difficulties due to mecha­ on the main line section between Kuala nical faults, the new ferry service Lumpur and Tampin. which the Commission introduced last year has. I believe, affected a The RaiJway Administration's policy significant improvement in communica­ is to provide efficient and economical tions between the Island and the freight transportation and regular mainland and, in fact, made life easier passenger travel, and to afford the best for all in the area. The Commission is possible service to the public. It has proceeding with planning its project recently made significant and praise· for the construction of mainland deep­ worthy progress in overhauling the water berths at Butterworth, which is deficits incurred during the recession of included in the Development Plan : the 1957 and 1958. Honourable Members first funds will be sought next year, will I think be aware that a Commis­ Malayans are playing an increasing sion of three experts, generously part in the management of the Com­ provided by the Government of India mission's affairs. under Colombo Plan arrangements, is now at work here, enquiring into the The $312,000 sought under Sub-head Railway's economic and financial posi­ 2, Port Swettenham-Short Term tion and prospects : we have also Development, is to enable the Railway asked them to advise on the Railway's Administration to proceed with further investment programme as outlined in measures to alleviate congestion at the Five-Year Plan. The Commission's Port Swettenham, pending the coming expert advice on these matters will, I into operation of the North Klang am confident, be of the greatest value Straits Wharves. The funds will be to the Government in its assessment used to provide additional wharfage and planning of the role which the and lighterage facilities. Malayan Railway is to play in the future transport economy of the The amount of $10 million entered country. under Sub-head 4-Port Swettenham­ North Klang Straits Project. represents the anticipated cost of payments to the Head 146-Ports- contractor during 1961. A total of $14,712,000 is sought Under Sub-head 5, Further Extension under this Head : again, these are loan funds. of the Coastal Wharf, Port Swettenham, Phase 1. $2 million is sought to meet The sum of $1 million entered under the total cost of the new deepwater Sub-head 1 is to enable the Penang Port berth (Wharf No. 4) . now under cons- 867 28 APRIL 1961 868

tructicm at the Port, which we plan to every effort to reach very early agree­ have in operation early in December. ment upon measures calculated to improve the throughput of cargo by The sum of $500,000 sought under more productive working. Much of Sub-head 6, Tugs and Lighters, my time for many months. has been represents payments already made by accupied with the problem, and the Railway on account of funds pro­ I have paid many visits to the port, vided in 1959 but not yet been drawn. and also to the work in progress on Under Sub-head 8, Equipment. the North Klang Straits project. I think $800,000 is provided towards the cost I may claim that energetic and compre­ of a new powerful berthing tug, the hensive action has been taken to deal planned purchase of which is put with the situation : a drive of some forward. magnitude is afoot, and I will see that it is kept up. Though it has been much in the news lately, Honourable Members may Head 147-Civil AYiation- wish me to say something about Port Swettenham. The problem is A total of $6,882,000 is sought for · familiar. I need not enlarge upon it; Civil Aviation. in short, vastly increased imports, due Sub-head 21 provides funds for to the expansion of the country's building a landing ground in the Taman economy, have created pressure and Negara, suitable for small twin-engined congestion in a confined port area never aircraft, to enable small parties of designed to handle shipping and visitors to obtain easy access to this tonnages of the present order : last very beautiful Park and attract tourists year a record of some 1.6 million tons to this interesting part of the country. was handled, whereas the economic capacity of the port is probably not Referring to Sub-head 23, it will be much above t million ton. Rather recalled that in May, 1960, the Beaver would I say something about what we aircraft of. the Federation Air Service are doing about it. in order to get were sold. Malayan Airways Ltd. through the intervening period until we will operate in their place a service to break out into the more open waters Kuala Trengganu using Dakota air­ of the North Klang Straits. craft. The use of the larger aircraft Briefly, a crash programme is under requires air traffic control and aero­ way, with target dates, to increase the drome fire and rescue services to be cargo handling facilities-that is, jetties provided at the aerodrome. The sum of lighters, shore and floating equipment: $107 ,000 is entered for the necessary the first stage is to be in operation by buildings, staff quarters and equipment. the end of next month, and more and Some $300,000 is sought under Sub­ more facilities (such as the new deep­ head 24 for the construction of a water wharf I have already mentioned) landing-ground for Pulau Langkawi. will come in as the year proceeds. At present, the island must rely on a Secondly we are taking measures to launch service for its connection with lighten the port's load by diverting the mainland. It is considered that cargo to other ports. The co-operation from the administrative as well as the of shipping interest has been readily development viewpoint a landing forthcoming : recently we have very ground for a small twin-engined air­ valuable discussions with a senior craft would be of benefit to the island. representative of the Far Eastern Langkawi could be brought into easy Freight Conference, with long expe­ reach of the main centres of the rience of port needs from the shipping mainland and it should be possible to angle. The port labour leaders and the attract visitors to the island and develop employers, with whom I have had it as a holiday resort and tourist several discussions. have assured me of attraction. their full co-operation and support. Therefore I appeal to the Port Referring to Sub·heads 23 and 24. Swettenham Ioint Council to make the last two I have mentioned. will 869 28 APRIL 1961 870

Honourable Members kindly note that of our offshore islands. The Govern­ more recent estimates have resulted in ment intends to see to it that transport the column (5) provisions now being facilities are provided for the rural $130,000 for Sub-head 23 Kuala communities all over the country, and Trengganu, and $275,500 for Sub­ not merely for the larger population head 24 Langkawi, not $107,000 and centres or for the main arteries of $298,500 as shown. communication alone. The jetty at Pangkor is already completed and I At Sub-head 26, $60,000 is entered declared it open for public use on 5th for expenditure on the Ipoh Terminal November last ; the jetty at Tioman is Building. The present pre-war building also finished. The cost of the jetty at does not provide adequate facilities, Langkawi is rather more than the and · it is to be extended and others owing to site difficulties caused modernised. by the granite outcrops ; rock-blasting $6,389,000 is entered at Sub-head 25 and work on the foundations are now for the new International Airport for in progress. Kuala Lumpur. Sub-head 11 provides a small sum Detailed surveys and investigations for completing the access road to Cape have been in progress for some months, Rachado Lighthouse, so that the light­ and they have now enabled a decision house crew stationed there may be to be taken regarding the site for the provisioned economically and the airport. This is a big project, involving machinery serviced. extensive design work and planning, and one on which expert advice is Under Sub-head 9, a sum of some essential. The Government will there­ $2 10,000 is entered for the construction fore pursue it as quickly as possible, of a slipway at the Marine Depart­ consistently with careful preparation, ment's base at Glugor. The slipway is before the actual construction work designed to give efficient servicing begins. facilities for launches operated by the Marine and other Departments. It will Head 148-Malayan Meteorological enable a regular slipping programme to Service- be arranged for these launches and the work on them to be properly super­ A total of $61,787 here is entered vised. Economies will also result, since in respeet of three Sub-heads relating the services provided will save launches to minor works, and I do not think I having to be sent further afield for need occupy the House's time in speci­ slipping, as at present. fying them. Sub-head 12 provides completion Head 149-Marine- funds for the purchase of a grab dredger now under construction for the A total of $1,422,157 is entered under Department, approved in last year's this Head. Development Estimates. Maintenance The Marine Department's fleet of dredging in the ports of the Federation launches was mostly acquired from is at present carried out by two grab naval sources after the war. These dredgers, which are principally engaged .launches were generally constructed throughout the year at the port of of unseasoned wood and inferior Malacca ; and this equipment is materials and have now reached the altogether inadequate to cover require­ stage where they are uneconomical to ments all round the Federation's maintain. The fleet is gradually being coastline. replaced and the sum now sought The mooring pontoon for Port under Sub-head 4 is required to meet Swettenham shown under Sub-head 13 the balance of payment for the as requiring $385,000 .is to replace the launches ordered in 1960, and to continue the replacement programme. existing pontoon, which is now out of date, and not up to the job. This piece Sub-heads 5, 6 and 8 provide funds of equipment is for the maintenance for the construction of jetties for some of the mooring buoys used by ships. 871 28 APRIL 1961 872

which have to be lifted, inspected, few months great public interest has repaired and cleanod. Mooring buoys been shown in respect of the question are an essential port service. The new of providing cheap sleeping berths for apparatus will be of modem design third class passengers. Mr. Speaker, Sir, and will effect savings in recurrent although there have been some non­ costs. committal answers from the Govern­ Sir. the account of my Ministry's ment, I think that the time has come Development Programme would be for the Government to make a definite incomplete without passing reference statement as to whether it is prepared being made to sub-heads 24 and 47 to accommodate the poor, the lower­ under Head 139-Ministry of Works, income group, when they travel at Posts and Telecommunications-where night on long journeys. 1 : : funds are provided for the building of Mr. Speaker, Sir, one of the · most much needed new Marine Offices at embarrassing statements . . . Port Swettenham and Batu Pahat. I Mr. Speaker: is hope also to persuade my Honourable Order, order. It colleague, the Minister of Works, Posts half-past-eleven o'clock p.m. now, and and Telecommunications. to allocate pursuant to Standing Order 16 (2) the funds at a later date for a new Marine House will resume to report progress Office at Muar. Fµrther, I would like before it adjourns for the night. to add that the new office for the House resumed. Registrar and Inspector of Motor Vehicles, Penang, under sub-head 35, Mr. Speaker: Honourable Members, is nearing completion. I have to report that the Committee of the House on the Development Esti­ Sir, I beg to move. mates, 1961, Command Paper No. 18 Enche' K. KaramSingh: Mr. Speaker, of 1961, has reached up to Head 144. Sir, I wish to touch on the New Consideration of the Development ., Airport and on the Malayan Railway. Estimates, 1961, will be resumed Sir, I would like first of all to touch on tomorrow. The House is adjourned till sub-head 19, Head 145, General Com­ 10 a.m. tomorrow. mercial Development. During the last Adjourned at 11.30 p.m.

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