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Second Session – Forty-First Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Human Resources Chairperson Mr. James Teitsma Constituency of Radisson Vol. LXX No. 1 - 6 p.m., Wednesday, October 25, 2017 ISSN 1708-6655 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Forty-First Legislature Member Constituency Political Affiliation ALLUM, James Fort Garry-Riverview NDP ALTEMEYER, Rob Wolseley NDP BINDLE, Kelly Thompson PC CLARKE, Eileen, Hon. Agassiz PC COX, Cathy, Hon. River East PC CULLEN, Cliff, Hon. Spruce Woods PC CURRY, Nic Kildonan PC DRIEDGER, Myrna, Hon. Charleswood PC EICHLER, Ralph, Hon. Lakeside PC EWASKO, Wayne Lac du Bonnet PC FIELDING, Scott, Hon. Kirkfield Park PC FLETCHER, Steven, Hon. Assiniboia Ind. FONTAINE, Nahanni St. Johns NDP FRIESEN, Cameron, Hon. Morden-Winkler PC GERRARD, Jon, Hon. River Heights Lib. GOERTZEN, Kelvin, Hon. Steinbach PC GRAYDON, Clifford Emerson PC GUILLEMARD, Sarah Fort Richmond PC HELWER, Reg Brandon West PC ISLEIFSON, Len Brandon East PC JOHNSON, Derek Interlake PC JOHNSTON, Scott St. James PC KINEW, Wab Fort Rouge NDP KLASSEN, Judy Kewatinook Lib. LAGASSÉ, Bob Dawson Trail PC LAGIMODIERE, Alan Selkirk PC LAMOUREUX, Cindy Burrows Lib. LATHLIN, Amanda The Pas NDP LINDSEY, Tom Flin Flon NDP MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood NDP MARCELINO, Flor Logan NDP MARCELINO, Ted Tyndall Park NDP MARTIN, Shannon Morris PC MAYER, Colleen St. Vital PC MICHALESKI, Brad Dauphin PC MICKLEFIELD, Andrew Rossmere PC MORLEY-LECOMTE, Janice Seine River PC NESBITT, Greg Riding Mountain PC PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Fort Whyte PC PEDERSEN, Blaine, Hon. Midland PC PIWNIUK, Doyle Arthur-Virden PC REYES, Jon St. Norbert PC SARAN, Mohinder The Maples Ind. SCHULER, Ron, Hon. St. Paul PC SELINGER, Greg St. Boniface NDP SMITH, Andrew Southdale PC SMITH, Bernadette Point Douglas NDP SMOOK, Dennis La Verendrye PC SQUIRES, Rochelle, Hon. Riel PC STEFANSON, Heather, Hon. Tuxedo PC SWAN, Andrew Minto NDP TEITSMA, James Radisson PC WHARTON, Jeff, Hon. Gimli PC WIEBE, Matt Concordia NDP WISHART, Ian, Hon. Portage la Prairie PC WOWCHUK, Rick Swan River PC YAKIMOSKI, Blair Transcona PC 1 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RESOURCES Wednesday, October 25, 2017 TIME – 6 p.m. Ms. Allison Kilgour, University of Manitoba Students' Union LOCATION – Winnipeg, Manitoba Mr. Patrick Harney, private citizen CHAIRPERSON – Mr. James Teitsma (Radisson) WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS: VICE - CHAIRPERSON – Ms. Janice Krystal Kayne, private citizen Morley-Lecomte (Seine River) Lonnie Patterson, private citizen ATTENDANCE – 11 QUORUM – 6 MATTERS UNDER CONSIDERATION: Members of the Committee present: Bill 31–The Advanced Education Administration Hon. Messrs. Gerrard, Schuler, Wishart Amendment Act Mr. Lagassé, Ms. Marcelino, Messrs. * * * Michaleski, Micklefield, Ms. Morley-Lecomte, Clerk Assistant (Ms. Monique Grenier): Good Messrs. Swan, Teitsma, Wiebe evening. Will the Standing Committee on Human APPEARING: Resources please come to order. Mr. Wab Kinew, MLA for Fort Rouge Our first item of business is the election of a Vice-Chairperson. Are there any nominations? PUBLIC PRESENTERS: Mr. Andrew Micklefield (Rossmere): I would like Mr. Nick Brown, Brandon University Students' to nominate Mr. James Teitsma–[interjection] Union Ms. Whitney Hodgins, private citizen Let's go with– Mr. Drew Caldwell, private citizen Clerk Assistant: No. Mr. Teitsma has been Mr. Kevin Rebeck, Manitoba Federation of nominated. Labour Are there any other nominations? Mr. Dele Ojewole, private citizen Mr. Wayne Chacun, Manitoba Government and Mr. Wab Kinew (Fort Rouge): I would like to General Employees' Union nominate Ms. Morley-Lecomte. Mr. Michael Barkman, private citizen Clerk Assistant: All right, so I now have Ms. Tanjit Nagra, University of Manitoba Ms. Morley-Lecomte also as a nomination. Is that Students' Union okay? All right. Mr. John Prystanski, Westland Foundation Mr. Darrell Rankin, Communist Party of All those in favour of Mr. Teitsma as Canada–Manitoba Chairperson, please raise your hand. [interjection] Ms. Megan Linton, private citizen I'm doing the election of the Chairperson right now. Ms. Laura Garinger, University of Winnipeg An Honourable Member: We haven't nominated Students' Association for Chair yet. Mr. Niall Harney, private citizen Ms. Brianne Goertzen, private citizen Clerk Assistant: I know, I'm doing that. I'm doing Mr. Matt McLean, private citizen the Chair–we will start this from the top. Ms. Sadie-Phoenix Lavoie, private citizen Our first item of business is the election of a Mr. Peyton Veitch, private citizen Chairperson. Are there any nominations? Mr. Coty Zachariah, Canadian Federation of Students Mr. Micklefield: I would like to nominate Ms. Annie Beach, private citizen Mr. Teitsma. Ms. Lauren Webster, private citizen Clerk Assistant: Mr. Teitsma has been nominated. Ms. Ayla Hamilton, private citizen Are there any other nominations? 2 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October 25, 2017 Hearing no other nominations, Mr. Teitsma, will We've also received written submissions on you please take the Chair. Bill 31 from the following persons, and those have been received and distributed to committee Mr. Chairperson: Our next item of business is members: namely, from Krystal Kayne and from the election of a Vice-Chairperson. Are there any Lonnie Patterson. nominations? Does the committee to agree to have these Mr. Bob Lagassé (Dawson Trail): Like to nominate documents appear in the Hansard transcript of this the member from Seine River. meeting? [Agreed] Mr. Chairperson: Ms. Morley-Lecomte has been Now, before we proceed with the presentations, nominated. we do have another–a number of other items, rather, Are there any other nominations? to–and points of information to consider. Hearing no nominations, Ms. Morley-Lecomte is First of all, if there is anyone else in the audience elected Vice-Chairperson. who would like to make a presentation this evening, please register with the staff at the entrance to the This meeting has been called to consider room. Please note that additional presentations will Bill 31, The Advanced Education Administration only be heard if time permits after hearing from Amendment Act. those previously listed for this evening. I would like to remind the committee that the Also, for the information of all presenters, while Standing Committee on Human Resources will meet written versions of presentations are not required, if again tomorrow, Thursday, October 26, at 6 p.m., to you are going to accompany your presentation with continue consideration of Bill 31. written materials, we ask that you provide 20 copies. As per an agreement between the House leaders, If you need help with photocopying, please speak a set number of presenters were scheduled to present with the staff at the back of the room. at tonight's committee meeting, so we will hear from As well, in accordance with our rules, a time 28 of the presenters registered to speak on Bill 31, limit of 10 minutes has been allotted for presentation, and you have those list–that list of presenters before with another five minutes allowed for questions you. from committee members. If a presenter is not in I would like to inform all in attendance of attendance when their name is called, they will be the provisions in our rules regarding the hour of dropped to the bottom of the list. And if the presenter adjournment. A standing committee meeting to is not in attendance when their name is called consider a bill must not sit past midnight to hear a second time, they will be removed from the public presentations or to consider clause by clause presenters' list. of a bill, except by unanimous consent of the I would like to remind the members of the public committee. who are observing the committee meeting to please On the topic of determining the order of not disturb the committee proceedings by applauding presentations, I will note that we have out-of-town or commenting from the audience. presenters in attendance, marked with an asterisk on And taking of photographs are not permitted the list. With this consideration, then, in mind, in from the public gallery, as well as any audio-video what order does the committee wish to hear the recordings. So please ensure your phones also are on presentations? silent mode. Mr. Matt Wiebe (Concordia): I think, as per our * (18:10) past practice, and keeping in mind how far some of our presenters have travelled tonight to present to us, Now, prior to proceeding with public I would suggest that we consider the out-of-town presentations, I would like to advise members of the presenters first. public regarding the process for speaking in committee. The proceedings of our meetings are Mr. Chairperson: Thank you for that suggestion. Is recorded in order to provide a verbatim transcript. that agreed? [Agreed] Each time someone wishes to speak, whether it be an Then we will proceed in that manner. MLA or a presenter, I first have to say the person's October 25, 2017 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 3 name. This is the signal for the Hansard recorder to the range of $20,000. And that is ridiculous. That's– turn the mics on and off. students coming to Brandon University, primarily undergraduate arts university, would be forced to pay Bill 31–The Advanced Education tuition fees that we see in professional schools and Administration Amendment Act med schools in Manitoba and across this country. Mr. Chairperson: So thank you for your patience It also significantly harms our indigenous and we will now proceed with public presentations. students at Brandon University. We've–just about I'll now call on Nick Brown, from the Brandon 10 per cent of our student population identifies as University Students' Union. indigenous, and those students who are funded through programs like the PSSSP and other Thank you, Mr. Brown. Do you have any written sponsorships, those dollars are not increasing at the materials for distribution to the committee? same rate as this tuition–as this bill would cause Mr.