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Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Industrial Second Session - Thirty-Sixth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Industrial Relations Chairperson Mr. Mike Radcliffe Constituency of River Heights Vol. XLVI No.2- 6:30p.m., Tuesday, October 29, 1996 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Sixth Legislature Members1 Constituencies and Political Affiliation Name Constltnrnc)' .�!.art)' ASHTON, Steve Thompson N.D.P. BARRETT, Becky Wellington N.D.P. CERILLI, Marianne Radisson N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave Kildonan N.D.P. CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose P.C. DACQUAY, Louise, Hon. Seine River P.C. DERKACH, Leonard, Hon. Roblin-Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary Concordia N.D.P. DOWNEY, James, Hon. Arthur-Virden P.C. DRIEDGER, Albert, Hon. Steinbach P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. ENNS, Harry, Hon. Lakeside P.C. ERNST, Jim, Hon. Charleswood P.C. - EVANS, Clif Interlake N.D.P. EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East N.D.P. FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tuxedo P.C. FINDLAY, Glen, Hon. Springfield P.C. FRIESEN, Jean Wolseley N.D.P. GAUDRY, Neil St. Boniface Lib. GILLESHAMMER, Harold, Hon. Minnedosa P.C. HELWER, Edward Gimli P.C. HICKES, George Point Douglas N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. KOWALSKI, Gary The Maples Lib. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar The Pas N.D.P. LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norbert P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord St. Johns N.D.P. MALOWAY, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McALPINE, Gerry Sturgeon Creek P.C. McCRAE, James, Hon. Brandon West P.C. McGIFFORD, Diane Osborne N.D.P. MciNTOSH, Linda, Hon. Assiniboia P.C. - MIHYCHUK, MaryAnn St. James N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie, Hon. River East P.C. NEWMAN, David Riel P.C. PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Portage Ia Prairie P.C. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. PITURA, Frank Morris P.C. PRAZNIK, Darren, Hon. Lac du Bonnet P.C. RADCLIFFE, Mike River Heights P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. REIMER, Jack, Hon. Niakwa P.C. RENDER, Shirley St. Vital P.C. ROBINSON, Eric Rupertsland N.D.P. ROCAN, Denis Gladstone P.C. SALE, Tim Crescentwood N.D.P. SANTOS, Conrad Broadway N.D.P. STEFANSON, Eric, Hon. Kirkfield Park P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan Dauphin N.D.P. SVEINSON, Ben La Verendrye P.C. TOEWS, Vic, Hon. Rossmere P.C. TWEED, Mervin Turtle Mountain P.C. VODREY, Rosemary, Hon. Fort Garry P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosano Swan River N.D.P. 85 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS Tuesday, October 29, 1996 TIME- 6:30 p.m. Mr. Heinrich Huber,Private Citizen Ms. Caroline Stecher,Private Citizen LOCATION-Winnipeg, Manitoba Ms. Iris Taylor,Private Citizen Mr. RobertZiegler, Private Citizen CHAIRPERSON - Mr. Mike Radcliffe (River Ms. Carolyn Ryan,Private Citizen Heights) Mr. Mark Saban,Private Citizen Mr. VictorVrsnik, Mani toba Taxpayers Association VICE-CHAIRPERSON -Mr. Marcel Laurendeau Ms. Claudette Chudy,Private Citizen (St. Norbert) Mr. Ken Nickel,Private Citizen Ms. Cindy Garofalo,Private Citizen Mr. Jack Samyn,Private Citizen ATTENDANCE- 11 -QUORUM- 6 Ms. BufiY Burrell,Private Citizen Mr. George Anderson, Public Service Alliance of Members ofthe Committee present: Canada,Union of TaxationEmployees, Local 500 21 Mr. Philippe Trottier,Private Citizen Hon. Messrs. Downey,Toews Ms. Heather Grant,Winnipeg Labour Council Mr. Jorge Maldonado,Private Citizen Messrs. Helwer, Jennissen, Lathlin, Laurendeau, Mr. George Harris,Private Citizen Penner, Radcliffe,Reid, Struthers,Sveinson Mr. Gill Gagne,Private Citizen Mr. BobDesjarlais, United St eelworkers of America, APPEARING: Local6166 Ms. Jean Friesen, MLA for Wolseley WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS: Mr. John Triplett, Teachers for Excellence in WITNESSES: Education Ms.Yvonne Campbell, Public Service Alliance of Mr. Bryan Walton, Canadian Council of Grocery Canada,Local50021 Distributors- Canada Safeway Mr. Jim Silver,Choices Mr. Eduard Hiebert,Private Citizen Mr. Patrick Martin, United Brotherhood of MATTERS UNDER DISCUSSION: Carpenters and Joiners of America, Local343 Bill 26 -The Labour Relations Amendment Act Mr. Thomas Henderson,Canadian Auto Workers Mr. Brian Hunt,United Steelworkers of America * * * Mrs. Theresa Ducharme,Private Citizen Mr. Peter Olfert,Manitoba Government Employees' Mr. Chairperson: Goodevening, ladies and gentlemen. Union The Standing Committee on Industrial Relations will Mr. Mario Javier,Private Citizen now come to order. Mr. Cy Gonick, Private Citizen Mr. Kenneth Emberley,Private Citizen This evening the committee will be resuming Mr. Darrell Rankin, Communist Party of Canada ­ considering Bill 26 , The Labour Relations Amendment Manitoba Act. Before the committee can proceed with business Mr. Reg Cumming, Canadian Auto Workers,Local before it,it must elect a new Vice-Chair. Are there any 2224 nominations? 86 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA October29, 1996 Mr. Ben Sveinson (La Verendrye): I nominate Mr. Does the committee wish to hear from the out-of­ Laurendeau. province and out-of-town presenters first? What is the will of committee? Mr. Chairperson: Are there any furthernominations? Mr. Jack Penner (Emerson): Yes. Hearing none, Mr. Laurendeau is elected as the Vice­ Chair. Mr. Chairperson: All right. Any discussion? All agreed? So ordered. I will now read aloud the names of the persons who preregistered to speak to Bill 26 . Number 1, Brian Did the committee wish to indicate how late it is Walton, 2. Robert Lindey, 3. Dan Lemieux, 4. Eduard willing to sit this evening? I heard some preliminary Hiebert,5. Patrick Martin,6. Thomas Henderson, 7. Jim discussion and perhaps it would be valuable to have a Silver, 8. Brian Hunt, 9. Peter Olfert, 10. Albert Cerilli, consensus on the record. 11. Deb Stewart, 12 . Mario Javier, 13. Cy Gonick, 14 . Yvonne Campbell, 15 . Kenneth Emberley, 16 . Darrell An Honourable Member: Hear them all. Rankin, 17 . Kelly Logan, 18. Barny Haines, 19. Reg Cumming, 20. Peter Magda, 21. Heinrich Huber,22. Mr. Chairperson: The proposal is to hear them all. CarolineStecher, 23. Iris Taylor, 24. RobertZiegler, 25. Carolyn ·Ryan, 26 . Mark Saban, 27 . Victor Vrsnik, 28. Mr. Daryl Reid (Transcona): Mr. Chairperson, I think Claudette Chudy,29. Alex Puerto,30 . Ken Nickel, 31. the other night when· this issue was talked about, this Cindy Garofalo, 32. Jack Samyn, 33. Buffy Burrell, 34. committee had agreed that for the sake of the presenters Brian Burchat, 35 . GeQrge Anderson, 36 . Bernie that we have here before us once again this evening that Perreault,37. PhilippeTrottier, 38 . Leagh Blackwell, 39. we would, for the sake of those presenters, reassess at Emile Clune,40 . Anthony Joyce,41. Heather Grant, 42. midnightand that after midnight we would have those so Bernie LeBlanc, 43. Jorge Maldonado, 44. George wishing to remain behind as part of the voluntary Harris, 45 . Gill Gagne, 46. Michelle Deneka, 47. presentations take place and that any other presenters Maureen Jordan, 48. Joanne Daly, 49. Bob Desjarlais, after thatpoint their names would not be struck from the 50. Brenda Portree. listand we wouldhave committeehearings fo llow up the next day, ifnecessary, for any presenters that may be * (1 835 ) remaining. I believethat was the will of the committee at that time, I that should be the will of the and think - Ifthere are any other persons who wish to speak tothe committee here today as well. biD and whose names do not appear on the list and have not been read out, please register with the Chamber Mr. Otairperson: I believe thisis the only day that the Branch personnel at the fa r end of the room. Just as a committee has been called fo r to date, just as a point of reminder to those presenters wishing to hand out a clarification. Are there any further comments? written copy of their briefs to committee members, 15 copies are required. If assistance in making photocopies Mr. Penner: I concur that there are times when we is required, please see the Chamber Branch personnel at should pay a lot of attention to ensuring that people are the rearof the room or the Clerk Assistant. I would also able to present, first of all; secondly, that they are like to remind all present that the time limits of 10 accommodated in a mannerthat is suitable. However, we minutesfo r presentations and fiveminutes fo r questions allknow that the time element is going tobe aconstraint and answers will be used. In addition, the first time that because of agreements thathave occurred previously, and a name is called and the person is not in attendance, the I wouldtheref ore suggest that we give due consideration name is dropped to the bottom of the list. The second to ensuring that everybody that has registered has the time that a name is called and the presenter is not in ability tobe heard, and it is my contention that we should attendance, the name is dropped offthe list. There is a as a committee give due consideration to that and designationthe on list ofpresenters which indicates those therefore accommodate all of those that have indicated names that have already been called once in committee. thatwish they top resent Because this committee has not October29, 1996 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 87 been scheduled for another day, I would request of you, Mr. Penner: Just a verbal one. Mr. Chairman, that you consider and that this committee consider thatwe allocate adequate time tonight or earlier Mr. Chairperson: I see. All right. tomorrow morning that we hear all of those who have indicated that would wish to present. Mr. Stan Struthers (Dauphin): Mr. Chairman, many of the things that the member for Emerson (Mr. Penner) So I would ask committee members to give due says I agree with. I think what my colleague here from consideration to those that want to be heard and that we Transconahas proposed fitsthe bill for the concerns that allot enough timeand if it need be till tomorrow morning the member for Emerson has put forth.
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