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Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Industrial Second Session - Thirty-Sixth Legislature of the Legislative Assembly of Manitoba Standing Committee on Industrial Relations Chairperson Mr. Mike Radcliffe Constituency of River Heights Vol. XLVI No.5- 6:30p.m., Tuesday, November 5, 1996 MANITOBA LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY Thirty-Sixth Legi<ilature Members, Constituencies and Political .AfT'iliation Name Constjtllenc)' &rt)' ASHTON, Steve Thompson N.D.P. BARRETT, Becky Wellington N.D.P. CERILLI, Marianne Radisson N.D.P. CHOMIAK, Dave Kildonan N.D.P. CUMMINGS, Glen, Hon. Ste. Rose P.C. DACQUAY, Louise, Hon. Seine River P.C. DERKACH, Leonard, Hon. Roblin-Russell P.C. DEWAR, Gregory Selkirk N.D.P. DOER, Gary Concordia N.D.P. DOWNEY, James, Hon. Arthur-Virden P.C. DRIEDGER, Albert, Hon. Steinbach P.C. DYCK, Peter Pembina P.C. ENNS, Harry, Hon. Lakeside P.C. ERNST, Jim, Hon. Charles wood P.C. EVANS, Clif Interlake N.D.P. EVANS, Leonard S. Brandon East N.D.P. FILMON, Gary, Hon. Tuxedo P.C. FINDLAY, Glen, Hon. Springfield P.C. FRIESEN, Jean Wolseley N.D.P. GAUDRY, Neil St. Boniface Lib. GILLESHAMMER, Harold, Hon. Minnedosa P.C. HELWER, Edward Gimli P.C. HICKES, George Point Douglas N.D.P. JENNISSEN, Gerard Flin Flon N.D.P. KOWALSKI, Gary The Maples Lib. LAMOUREUX, Kevin Inkster Lib. LATHLIN, Oscar The Pas N.D.P. LAURENDEAU, Marcel St. Norbert P.C. MACKINTOSH, Gord St. Johns N.D.P. MALOWA Y, Jim Elmwood N.D.P. MARTINDALE, Doug Burrows N.D.P. McALPINE, Gerry Sturgeon Creek P.C. McCRAE, James, Hon. Brandon West P.C. McGIFFORD, Diane Osborne N.D.P. MciNTOSH, Linda, Hon. Assiniboia P.C. MIHYCHUK, MaryAnn St. James N.D.P. MITCHELSON, Bonnie, Hon. River East P.C. NEWMAN, David Riel P.C. PALLISTER, Brian, Hon. Portage Ia Prairie P.C. PENNER, Jack Emerson P.C. PITURA, Frank Morris P.C. PRAZNIK, Darren, Hon. Lac du Bonnet P.C. RADCLIFFE, Mike River Heights P.C. REID, Daryl Transcona N.D.P. REIMER, Jack, Hon. Niakwa P.C. RENDER, Shirley St. Vital P.C. ROBINSON, Eric Rupertsland N.D P. ROCAN, Denis Gladstone P.C. SALE, Tim Crescentwood NDP SANTOS, Conrad Broadway N.D.P. STEFANSON, Eric, Hon. Kirkfield Park P.C. STRUTHERS, Stan Dauphin N.D.P SVEINSON, Ben La Verendrye P.C. TOEWS, Vic, Hon. Rossrnere P.C. TWEED, Mervin Turtle Mountain P.C. VODREY, Rosemary, Hon. Fort Garry P.C. WOWCHUK, Rosann Swan River N.D.P. 265 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA THE STANDING COMMITTEE ON INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS Tuesday, November 5, 1996 TIME - 6:30 p.m. *** LOCATION - Winnipeg, Manitoba Mr. Chairperson: Goodevening, ladies and gentlemen. The Standing Committee on Industrial Relations will CHAIRPERSON - Mr. Mike Radcliffe (River come to order, andI would welcome the new members on Heights) committee tonight. As I had indicated in my previous remarks, we were partway through consideration of Bill VICE-CHAIRPERSON - Mr. Peter Dyck (Pembina) 50, The Remembrance Day Amendment Act, and I believe that we wereconsidering an amendment to Clause ATTENDANCE- 11 -QUORUM- 6 8.1. Has discussion concluded on Clause 8.1? Members of the Committee present: Mr. Daryl Reid (Transcona): Mr. Chairperson, prior to the break for the supper hour, the government had Hon. Messrs. Ernst, Gilleshammer, Reimer, Toews tabled before us amendments to The Remembrance Day Amendment Act,and I hadref erenced at that time that the Messrs. Dyck, Helwer, Jennissen, Martindale, act itself in the title does not allow fo r consequential Radcliffe, Reid, Santos amendments. I believe that these amendments that the government has tabled here, which are quite extensive, APPEARING: some two pages of amendments to the bill which would include provisions that affectChristmas Day or on Good Mr. Gary Doer, MLA fo r Concordia Friday and substituting words like "holiday" do not lend Mr. Steve Ashton, MLA fo r Thompson to the act itself and in fa ct these amendments are out of Ms. Shirley Strutt, Legislative Counsel scope. WITNESSES: * (1840) Bill 17-The Government Essential Services Act I knowyou, Sir, have ruled on this. You say you have received information from Legislative Counsel to lead Mr. Dave Tesarski, Canadian Federation of Labour you to believe. But I am saying and stating here, for the Mr. Rob Hilliard, President, Manitoba Federation of record today, that these amendments, in my humble Labour opinion, are out of scope because you cannot amend a Mr. John Sinclair, Manitoba Health Organizations piece of legislation that specifically refers to one act Mr. Peter Olfert, President, Manitoba Government saying that you are going to incorporate consequential Employees' Union amendments to another actto take place under the act that Ms. Catherine Holmes, Tache Family Association, we are currently discussing. So what you are doing here Tache Nursing Centre today is, you are establishing a precedent for your MATTERS UNDER DISCUSSION: government and future governments to be able to amend a piece of legislation without clearly having that indication in the title of the bill. Bill so-The Remembrance Day Amendment Act Bill 17-The Government Essential Services Act Atthe same time as you are setting this precedent, you, Bill301-The Native Alcoholism Council of Manitoba by tabling these amendments here today that are quite Incorporation Amendment Act substantive, did not give the public the opportunity to Bill 302-The Grand Lodge of Manitoba of the come out to the hearings and comment on what your Independent Order of Oddfellows Incorporation intent was with respect to the legislation to allow fo r the Amendment Act wide-open retail liquor business to occur on Bill 26-The Labour Relations Amendment Act Remembrance Day after 1 p.m. in the afternoon. So 266 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA November 5, 1996 while I have already stated that I am opposed to portions fa fOn a donner ejfo t aux amendements adoptes par le of the bill that allow for that wide-open shopping, I am Comile. telling you that the public did not have that opportunity to comment and that you are setting I believe a very Motion agreed to. dangerous precedent that can be used by other governments to circumvent the legislative process that we Mr. Chairperson: Preamble-pass. have in this province by allowing fo r consequential amendments to be included under a specific act without Mr. Toews: I move referencing that in the title. THAT the title be struck out and the fo llowing So I say to you, Sir, that I am opposed to that, and I substituted: will reflect that when this matter comes to a vote. THE REMEMBRANCE DAY AMENDMENT AND Mr. Chairperson: Thank you, Mr. Reid. Is there any CONSEQUENTIAL AMENDMENTS ACT further discussion on amendment 8.1? On hearing none, the question has been called. (French version) Voice Vote II est propose de remplacer le litre dupro jet de loi par ce qui suit: Mr. Chairperson: Those in fa vour of the amendment, please indicate by saying yea. LOJ MOD/RANT LA LOJ SUR LE JOUR DU SOUVENIRET APPORT ANT DES Some Honourable Members: Yea. MODJRCATJONS CORRELA TJVES Mr. Chairperson: And those against, by nay. Motion presented. Some Honourable Members: Nay. Mr. Chairperson: Any discussion on the motion? Mr. Chairperson: In my opinion, the Yeas have it. Voice Vote Formal Vote Mr. Chairperson: Hearing none, those in fa vour say Mr. Reid: Recorded vote, please. yea . A COUNT-OUT VO TE was taken, the result being as Some Honourable Members: Yea. fo llows: Yeas 6, Nays 4. Mr. Chairperson: Those against say nay. Mr. Chairperson: In my opinion, the positive has it; the amendmentcarri es. Clause 8.1-pass; Clause 9-pass. Some Honourable Members: Nay Hon. Vic Toews (Minister of Labour): I move Mr. Chairperson: In my opinion, the Yeas have it. THAT Legislative Counsel be authorized to change all Mr. Reid: On division. section numbers andinternal references necessary to carry out the amendments adopted by this committee. Mr. Chairperson: On division. So noted. (French version) Title as amended-pass. Shall the bill as amended be reported? IIest propose que le conseil/er /egislatifsoil auto rise a modifierles numeros d'artic/e et les renvois internes de Some Honourable Members: No. November 5, 1996 LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY OF MANITOBA 267 Some Honourable Members: Agreed. possibility of dealing with, I believe, three relatively minor pieces of legislation that would take a few Voice Vote moments, I believe, to dispose with. I wonder if there is leave of the committee to deal with those matters right Mr. Chairperson: Those in fa vour of reporting the bill now. as amended, say yea. Mr. Chairperson: What is the will of the committee? Some Honourable Members: Yea. Bon. Jim Ernst (Minister of Consumer and Mr. Chairperson: Those contrary. Corporate Affairs): I think we should hear the presentations, Mr. Chairman. The weather is not great Some Honourable Members: Nay. outside, solet us hearthe public that have made the effort to come here tonight, and then we will deal with them Mr. Chairperson: In my opinion, the Yeas have it. after. Formal Vote Mr. Chairperson: All right. It is the will of committee then to hear the presenters first and then- Mr. Reid: Recorded vote, please. Mr. Ernst: Then we will consider which bills we deal A COUNT-OUT VO TE was taken, the result being as with and in what order. fo llows: Yeas 6, Nays 4. Mr. Chairperson: -consider the priority of bills after Mr. Chairperson: In my opinion the motion carried. that point. All right. It is customary to hear the out-of­ The bill shall be reported as amended. I just wanted to towners prior tothe regular calling of the list. Is that the see ifyou were listening.
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