30850 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 opening up a 4 million ton hazardous through its associations support my ministration but not this one. They waste loophole. This body decided on amendment because they think my have confidence in their regulators, the 4th of August by a substantial amendment is in the interest of small their bureaucrats. I contend they are margin to reject that loophole. business. My amendment is supported the same no matter who is in the An act of Congress does not weaken by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, White House, and we have argued the toxicity of anyone's waste. We the National Federation of Independ- about that before. would love to legislate away PCB's or ent Business, the National Association But I am concerned about these reg- vinyl chloride or trichloroethylene or of Manufacturers, the American Tex- ulators at EPA and, as a matter of any one of the other serious cancer- tile Manufacturers Institute, the Na- fact, they will continue on the same causing agents, but we cannot do it. If tional Automobile Dealers Association, track no matter who is in the Office of we could do it, we would. the Synthetic Organic Chemical Man- President. The legislative veto is What we are witnessing here is ufacturers, the National Association of bigger than this particular incident really a second bite at the apple. Not Furniture Manufacturers, the Printing and issue, which I think is very impor- only do we run the risk of making it Industries of America, and others. tant. more difficult for small business The second point I want to make is I would like to talk about what is people to live in a predictable environ- that it is very clear that my amend- going to happen in the Judiciary Com- ment but we give to those who have an ment would in no way prohibit the mittee and in the Rules Committee. As economic incentive to pollute our com- regulation of small generators in the a matter of fact, last session of Con- munities a greater opportunity to do disposal of hazardous wastes. It will gress, the last Congress we did have a so. not contribute to a public health prob- regulatory reform bill reported out of What does that mean? It means that lem. the Judiciary Committee and it lan- once again those who will pollute our Not only are there the hammer pro- guished until the end of the Congress neighborhoods will profit from inac- visions which would regulate small in the Rules Committee. And I might tion. They will profit from inaction by business, but I think it is quite clear there would be regulation that is ap- add, many of the provisions included encouraging the stymieing of the legis- in this Levitas amendment here were lative process that we have experi- propriate for the small generator with my amendment. It would not do away in that bill. enced with the funeral rule, with As far as what is going to happen in stockbrokers, with used cars, and with with regulation over this group alto- gether. the Rules Committee, ladies and gen- immigration legislation, simply be- tlemen, I do not want to prejudge. But cause the polluters are given a chance Mr. ECKART. I appreciate the gen- tleman's expression of concern and I having been there for several years, I to paralyze this Congress, and the con- can tell you there is no predisposition sequences of that paralysis is either a thank him for granting me the extra time. to get such a legislative veto bill out of change of rules or continued pollution. the Rules Committee, even after I am a supporter of the gentleman's Mr. Chairman, I yield back the bal- for the ance of my time. Chadha. regulatory reform legislation So I think this is a well thought-out very simple reason that I do not want Mr. LOTT. Mr. Chairman, I move to a patchwork quilt that draws a single strike the requisite number of words, provision. I would like to ask the gen- set of standards for an individual and I rise in support of the amend- tleman from Georgia a couple of ques- agency and changes those standards ment. tions, if I could. based on the whim or will of the Con- Mr. Chairman, I am amazed at those First, are you absolutely convinced- gress at the time that we are debating who do not trust the Congress appar- as much as you can be-that this does a particular piece of legislation. ently to retain the ultimate control comply, and have you had legal coun- What I think we need to do is to get over our constitutional lawmaking re- sel that says that this complies with the gentleman's bill out of the Rules sponsibilities. And make no mistake the provisions of what we should do in Committee, and I have cosigned your about it, rulemaking is lawmaking. the Congress as far as the President's letters and cosponsored your bill so As I understand it, the Levitas role and the way we proceed with con- that there will be a single uniform amendment does not do away with stitutional requirements? standard that deals with the entire that agreement reached earlier. It just Mr. LEVITAS. Will the gentleman regulatory process in the same way. gives the Congress an opportunity to yield? remain in the loop. It gives the small Mr. LOTT. I will be glad to yield. O 1740 businesses an opportunity, if they are Mr. LEVITAS. I can tell the gentle- The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. The dealt with by the regulators in an man we have been assured both by the time of the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. unfair rule that treats them just like Justice Department and by the Li- ECKART) has expired. big businesses, that they have an op- brary of Congress that this is fully (On request of Mr. LEVITAS and by portunity to have their case made consistent with the decision in the unanimous consent Mr. ECKART was al- again or to be considered by the Con- Chadha case. lowed to proceed for 2 additional min- gress. Mr. LOTT. Does the gentleman's utes.) So I do think that the amendment amendment in any way eliminate the Mr. ECKART. The gentleman has by the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. language in the bill dealing with small raised a fundamental question here. I LEVITAS) is a good amendment and we quantity generator waste rules? think it would be in the Nation's inter- should support it on its merits. Mr. LEVITAS. If the gentleman will est and in the interest of my friend if But I really want to speak more to yield further, absolutely not. I tried to we used the leverage that this legisla- the legislative veto side of this thing. I make that point very clear. tion will create for us to bring about a want to emphasize that, as I under- We, in fact, will have regulation. meaningful regulatory reform bill. stand it, the Congressional Research This would simply make certain that Mr. LEVITAS. Mr. Chairman, will Service, American Law Division, has the regulation is a reasonable regula- the gentleman yield? said that a joint resolution of approval tion for small generators. Mr. ECKART. I am happy to yield. would be constitutional and we also Mr. LOTT. Was congressional review Mr. LEVITAS. I thank the gentle- have that indication from the Justice a part of the bill that was reported by man for yielding. Department. the Judiciary Committee last year and First let me say that while I respect There are those here and in the ad- languished endlessly in the Rules the gentleman's right to his opinion as ministration, quite honestly, that Committee? to what serves the best interests of oppose this provision. This administra- Mr. LEVITAS. The congressional small business, I would call to the gen- tion, the previous administration, review provisions were precisely at the tleman's attention that small business always want to apply it to the next ad- heart of the legislation that never November 3,1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30851 made it out of the Rules Committee. twice. We would have had to go lations are consistent with what the And I might add this, that with all of through a doubletrack system for Congress has passed. the effort that my good friend from every measure requiring regulations: Texas will put into regulatory reform First the bill itself, then the regula- O 1750 in the Judiciary Committee this time, tion. And the question I would address to if I had to guess, there will be no regu- We came up with a better way, final- my very good friend from Wisconsin is latory reform bill reported even out of ly, and that was to give each House a this: Why should you, as an elected the Judiciary Committee in this Con- time certain during which it could Member of the Congress of the United gress. review-the committees of authority- States, not make the decision as to Mr. LOTT. How long have we been could review specific proposed regula- whether a particular regulation that waiting on regulatory reform legisla- tions. If they interposed no objection, will cost the American people $100 tion? then the regulations would go into million goes into effect? Why should Mr. LEVITAS. My recollection is effect. So each House of the legisla- you pass that decision to someone who about 61/2 years now, and in terms of tion had a window of time to react to has never suffered the inconvenience legislative veto almost 9 years. those regulations which came to their of running for public office and is ac- If the gentleman would yield fur- attention as being onerous, impossible, countable to nobody except the Office ther, I think the gentleman made a or unwise. Both Houses would have to of Personnel Management and his im- very important point that I want the act in order to suspend and rewrite mediate supervisor? A $100 million Members of this body to focus on. regulations. impact, why should not we be involved What is it that says that some unelect- But neither House was required to in that decision? ed bureaucrat at the Environmental act on each one of the voluminous Mr. MOODY. Let me try to respond, Protection Agency is better able to de- bodies of administrative law, much of if I could reclaim my time: I agree, we termine what laws are imposed upon people in your com- which was fine. That seemed to be for should be involved in this process. The the small business us in Wisconsin a much better way. It question is how. munity than the people in Congress? lightened the load tremendously. Who is accountable around here? We, The huge dollar figure the gentle- the elected Members of Congress, are. I can just imagine what would man cites is irrelevant. This issue of I think that a lot of people just want happen to the length of congressional how we assert our authority over ad- to pass the buck to the unelected offi- sessions if we had to double track ministrative regulations is the key. Of cial so that we do not have to face up every issue twice through both Houses course, we should never give away that to their responsibilities. And next year and through the White House. authority and we should always have when the small business people come But the more important point I the right to review those regulations, saying "Who made this possible," then would like to raise with the gentleman but reviewing it does not require actu- I think they are going to look at a list from Georgia, and I hope he will re- ally passing it back through each of the people who voted against this spond to a question, is this: It seems to House a second time, as the Levitas amendment and they will know. me there is an inherent logical contra- amendment would require. As I say, in Mr. LOTT. Again we should empha- diction to what the gentleman is pro- Wisconsin we accomplished the same size to our colleagues, while you have posing. If we take as given that we goal with far less difficulty by simply made this comply with the Chadha re- cannot have a one-House veto, and we giving each House the specific time quirements, I would like to ask the agree that once we pass legislation in limit in which to react to proposed gentleman from Georgia how many both Houses and it is signed at the regulations. If either House did react, times has the Congress passed amend- White House and becomes the will of then it could suspend them until they ments like this, even though there the full Congress, then under the Levi- were dealt with. Again, there would be have been some changes to comply tas approach one House could subse- a certain time limit to deal with them, with the requirements of that new de- quently on this second track around and both Houses would have to deal cision by the Supreme Court? I mean, thwart the will of the entire Congress with them. If neither House did react, it has been hundreds of times? and of the executive branch by simply did not object, then they would go into Mr. LEVITAS. This is not the first refusing to act. force. time. There have been a number of You therefore are back in the box of The legislature retained the right to provisions similar to this already a one-House veto. A one-House veto by suspend them. It give no bureaucrat adopted by this Congress. inaction. that right, which is what you fear and Mr. MOODY. Mr. Chairman, I move I would ask the gentleman to re- what I fear, but it did not require that to strike the requisite number of spond to this internal logical contra- every House laboriously double-track words, and I rise in opposition to the diction that would be set up by his every legislative measure that would amendment. proposal. involve regulations. Mr. Chairman, it is with some hesi- Mr. LEVITAS. Will the gentleman So I do not disagree one iota with tation that I take the floor to speak yield? what the gentleman is trying to ac- against this amendment, since I do Mr. MOODY. I yield to the gentle- complish. But I suggest that he is have so much respect for the gentle- man from Georgia. asking this House to put in countless man from Georgia. Mr. LEVITAS. I think the gentle- needless extra hours of floor action on It seems as though we are talking at man has made the case very well and I regulations. cross purposes here. The gentleman is would simply say I do not disagree But, I, again, ask you to respond to quite right when he says this House with him because the second time the internal illogic of the point I should never give away its right to around, as the gentleman refers to it- raised earlier: If we agree that one draw regulations to some unelected and this would have the effect of a House's vetoes are not acceptable, how bureaucrat. But the way we maintain one-House veto, you are quite cor- would you respond to that point that that right I think is the key issue, not rect-but the second time around we your amendment would have the that we should have the right. would not be looking at the same effect of reinstituting one-House veto. Let me just briefly speak from my thing we were looking at the first time I think, in fact, the gentleman agreed experience in the Wisconsin State Leg- around. with that a moment ago, but he did islature. We tried this sort of thing. Then we would be looking at the not elaborate on why that would ever We carefully considered what you specific regulatory framework pro- be a good thing. might call a Levitas-type approach but posed to implement what we have The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. The it fell of its own weight. It meant, in passed. The purpose of the legislative time of the gentleman from Wisconsin fact, everything had to be passed review is to ensure that proposed regu- (Mr.MooDY) has expired. 30852 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 (By unanimous consent, Mr. MOODY agency. But it sometimes reserved the right resembles the Congressional budget process, was allowed to proceed for 2 additional to put a "stop" order on these checks, by which has, since 1974, allowed Congress to minutes.) the now-unconstitutional veto, should it direct the broad pattern of its spending. Mr. LEVITAS. Mr. Chairman, will later (spurred by a special-interest group) Such a process could serve well as a model change its mind. for regulation. the gentleman yield? Nowhere is the excessive delegation of leg- A regulatory calendar would remove legal Mr. MOODY. I yield to the gentle- islative functions more extreme than in eco- uncertainties about rules (such as the auto- man from Georgia. nomic and social regulation. mobile air-bag rule, still unresolved 13 years Mr. LEVITAS. I thank the gentle- Even though regulation is as important a after it was first proposed). It would permit man for yielding. part of the legislative process as, say, raising Congress and the executive to set regulatory In order to answer the gentleman's and spending revenues, many regulatory priorities-a task nowhere performed today. question, Mr. Chairman, I have to statutes are egregiously vague, simply di- But most important, it would provide a revert very briefly to a discussion of recting an agency to regulate in the "public constitutionally sound mechanism by which Chadha de- interest." Natural-gas prices became regu- central issues, such as the quality of our air the Chadha decision. The lated under a general "public interest" the one-House and water or the safety of our highways, cision, in addressing standard, not because Congress decided it could be directly decided not by unelected and other legislative vetoes said, that was sound energy policy. Cities are required regulators but by elected representatives. Congress could not establish a mecha- to make subways and buses accessible to (Robert E. Litan practices law in Washing- nism which was legislative in nature- handicapped people even though Congress ton and William D. Nordhaus is professor of and there is some question as to never envisioned this outcome. economics at Yale University. They are co- whether a legislative veto is legislative In other cases, statutes are specific but authors of the forthcoming book "Reform- in nature-unless it was a mechanism place no limits on the amounts that regula- ing Federal Regulation.") that passed both Houses and was tors can require firms to spend. Businesses spent $32 billion in 1981 controlling air and The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. The signed by the President. water pollution because Congress delegated time of the gentleman (Mr. MOODY) Now, going back to the doctrine of to the Environmental Protection Agency a has again expired. Chadha and under article I, section 1 legislative function of taxing and spending (By unanimous consent, Mr. MOODY of the Constitution, with all legislative on pollution control. Nuclear power is dying was allowed to proceed for 2 additional power being vested in the Congress, under the weight of safety regulations. Reg- minutes.) what this mechanism, the "son-of-leg- ulating everything from teddy bears to Mr. MOODY. Mr. Chairman, I islative veto" does, is say that we will 747's,our fourth branch of Government leg- islates more prevasively, and more autocra- would not disagree with what the gen- act legislatively. We will take away the tleman says, but I strongly disagree delegation to the bureaucrat to pass tically, than King George III. In the last few years, many in Congress with his conclusion. I do not think we rules that have an impact of more have become concerned about this over-del- want to be back in the one-House veto than $100 million a year and let them egation. Legislative vetoes are now in place situation. The gentleman agrees that propose them to the Congress, and (but in peril) for a few regulatory statutes- they will become effective only when what we would end up with if we in seat-belt regulation, in Federal Trade adopt the gentleman's amendment approved by a joint resolution passed Commission rules and in some natural-gas by both Houses and signed by the rules. would be the situation where the will President. In recent reform proposals, moreover, of the Congress-in fact both Houses So while it is, in effect, a one-House many members of Congress hoped to re- and the executive branch-expressing veto at the end of the line, it is a veto verse the problem of excessive congressional itself, would be thwarted in its imple- delegation by an omnibus legislative veto mentation simply by inaction of either that is manifested through a two- provision for all major Federal regulation. House action signed by the President, House. In fact, one chairman, or per- This route is now clearly closed. haps, one strategically placed individ- which is perfectly consistent with the In the wake of the decision nullifying the Chadha decision and does precisely legislative veto, the nation should pause to ual refusing to move on the regula- what the gentleman from Wisconsin consider fundamental issues of who should tion, could thwart and veto the imple- would like to see done. legislate, and how. mentation of the law. I think that is I am simply saying this approach is Some think that Congress will now have something we never want to be in, be- the only game in town. If we do not to write highly detailed statutes; others cause then we are going to have legal adopt this amendment, the genie is think that, like an overburdened mule, Con- challenges by plaintiffs, such as tem- be issu- gress will simply balk and bring the legisla- porary restraining orders, all over the out of the bottle, the EPA will tive process to a halt. ing regulations that have a $100 mil- In the regulatory arena, some worry that place, causing chaos, because you lion impact per year, and we are going the first alternative will lead to overly po- cannot keep dumping waste or doing to have to sit back and look at them liticized regulatory decisions traditionally other dangerous things that would and just say: 'Isn't that great?" We left to agency "experts." Others, noting happen in a regulation vacuum. We can do little if they are not great. that good legislation requires time and would be in a terrible fix, I maintain, If I may just conclude, there was a effort, fear that Congressmen will devote if we let that happen. recent op-ed piece in the New York neither and instead retreat to a haven of There is a better way to handle the Times, written noncontroversial inactivity. problem that you by Robert Litan and There is a middle way. The central prob- and I agree is impor- William Nordhaus, which says this is lem for Congress, with no legislative veto as tant to deal with. the only way we can maintain control a crutch to lean on, is to structure its con- Mr. FRANK. Mr. Chairman, I move over the unelected bureaucracy. I sideration of the issues, such as regulatory to strike the requisite number of would, at this point, like to insert that policy, in such a way that precious Congres- words, and I rise in opposition to the article into the RECORD: sional time is devoted to major questions, amendment. [From the New York Times, July 5, 19831 while execution and implementation are Mr. Chairman, I rise to oppose the delegated to administrative agencies. WITH THE VETO GONE We believe that there is a mechanism amendment because I think it is un- (By Robert E. Litan and William D. through which Congress can structure its workable as well as unnecessary. Nordhaus) regulatory decision-making in a fashion that We have annual appropriations and WASHINGTON.--The United States Su- meets both these objectives. authorizations coming before us. If preme Court's decision striking down the Specifically, we suggest adoption of a "leg- and when both Houses feel that a par- legislative veto corrects a long standing islated regulatory calendar" under which ticular regulation has been untoward, defect in the Federal legislative process. the President would present to Congress we know well how to deal with it, we Since the veto device was introduced in each year all of the 50 or so major Federal have done that. I do not think the ar- the 1930's, Congress has grown progressive- regulatory proposals. Each proposal would ly sloppy in writing laws. Instead of the be accompanied by an analysis of costs and gument that absent this, I think, careful crafting envisioned by the Founding benefits. An act of Congress would then be rather unwieldy procedure we will be Fathers, Congress often gave a blank check required before agencies could put their the helpless prey of unelected bureau- to the executive or to an independent rules in final form. The calendar proposal crats, is accurate. November 3, 1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30853 I would also like to just say a word prevent the administration from Mr. LEVITAS. Mr. Chairman, I ask in defense of the unelected. And it arming a Rapid Deployment Force in unanimous consent that the gentle- may be prudent since there are many Jordan. How? Through the authoriza- man from Massachusetts (Mr.FRANK) more of them than of us, I would say tion and appropriations process. may proceed for 2 additional minutes. to the gentleman from Georgia, and We did not need son-of-legislative The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. Is we ought not to forget that. veto, mother-in-law of legislative veto, there objection to the request of the But election is a very important and third-cousin once-removed of legisla- gentleman from Georgia? useful process in a democracy. It does tive veto; we did it by legislating Mr. LANTOS. Mr. Chairman, I not, in my experience, confer on those through the authorizations and appro- object. who participate in the process quite priations process in a very brief period The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. Ob- the monopoly of wisdom that my of time.We have prevented the admin- jection is heard. friend from Georgia suggests. istration from sending arms to Jordan The question is on the amendment I would add that this is also an insti- and we retain that ability. offered by the gentleman from Geor- tution which calls on the unelected. Mr. LEVITAS. Mr. Chairman, will gia (Mr.LEVITAS). Seated in some of the places of respon- the gentleman yield further? The question was taken and the sibility around us are members of our Mr.FRANK. I will yield again to the Chairman pro tempore announced staffs who are unelected except for gentleman from Georgia. that the noes appeared to have it. contribute. Mr. LEVITAS. I thank the gentle- their ability to RECORDED VOTE And I would go a little softer on the man again. unelected bureaucrat. I do not take that as advocacy of Mr. LEVITAS. Mr. Chairman, I will yield to the demand a recorded vote. And in a minute I eliminating the restrictions on foreign A recorded vote was ordered. gentleman, the elected gentleman, military arms sales. It does not an ap- from Georgia. But all of us here rely propriation to sell foreign arms and The vote was taken by electronic very heavily on some very able people therefore we could not stop arms sales device, and there were-ayes 198, noes who are not elected. by cutting off appropriations. No ap- 195, not voting 40, as follows: I think a mix of elected and un- propriation is needed to allow a sale of [Roll No. 4513 elected is a very useful way for a de- arms to a foreign government. AYES-198 mocracy to function. I do want to comment on the point Albosta Gregg Nichols So let me return to my main point: that the gentleman put forth that we Andrews (NC) Gunderson Nielson If we have to approve every regula- have a very expert professional staff. Anthony Hall, Ralph Nowak If Applegate Hammerschmidt O'Brien tion, I think we will not function. We do. But no one suggests that they Archer Hansen (ID) Oberstar people are opposed to the regulations, ought to be voting on the policy issues Badham Hefner Olin then they ought to vote against the that affect the American people. Bartlett Heftel Oxlcy If they find specific regula- Bateman Hightower Parris programs. Yet the regulations that are issued Bereuter Hiler Patman tions obnoxious, we regularly in by the unelected bureaucracy have the Bethune Hillis Penny annual authorizations and appropria- force and effect as the laws passed by Bevill Holt Petri tions have a shot at it. And the one Congress. People go to jail for violat- Bilirakis Hopkins Porter have Bliley Hubbard Pritchard point I would like to make, and I ing those regulations, just as they go Boner Huckaby Pursell made it before with regard to market- to jail for violating statutes passed by Breaux Hunter Quillen ing orders, nothing in the logic of the Congress. Britt Hutto Rahall gentleman from Georgia suggests this Broomfield Hyde Ray Mr. FRANK. I will take back my Brown (CO) Ireland Regula should be restricted here. So I assume time, and I will say to the gentleman Broyhill Jenkins Ridge it will apply to HUD, I assume it will that the rules of the House do apply Burton (IN) Kaptur Ritter apply bill by bill to public housing, it to those of us who are elected. Byron Kasich Roberts in Campbell Kemp Robinson will apply to OSHA, it will apply The gentleman is repeating the ar- Carney Kindness Roemer international trade. Certainly there is gument made before. Chandler Kramer Rogers nothing logically dividing this subject First, I was not arguing against re- Chappie Lagomarsino Roth matter from any other. Cheney Latta Rowland strictions on foreign military arms Clinger Leath Rudd So I would assume we are about, if sales. Coats Levitas Sawyer we adopt this amendment, to embark I was pointing out that with Chadha Coleman (MO) Lewis (CA) Schaefer on a new regime in which we will be in force, with the legislative veto dead, Cooper Lewis (PL) Schulze Corcoran Lipinski Sensenbrenner dealing with every major regulation by we have the ability, as Congress, to Coughlin Livingston Shaw every Government agency and then, in prevent foreign military arms sales to Craig Lloyd Shelby fact, the unelected bureaucrats will which we object. Crane,Daniel Loeffler Shumway have a wonderful time because us poor Crane,Philip Long (MD) Shuster O 1800 Daniel Lott Siljander elected slobs will be spending all our Daub Lowery (CA) Sisisky working hours here and they will We just did it. We just frustrated an Davis Lujan Skeen really be free to run the town. ill-advised attempt by this administra- DeWine Lungren Skelton Jordan in an inap- Dorgan Mack Slattery Mr. LEVITAS. Mr. Chairman, will tion to send arms to Dreier MacKay Smith (NE) the gentleman yield? propriate way. Duncan Madigan Smith, Robert Mr. FRANK. I yield to the gentle- The fact is that we do not have to Dyson Marlenee Snyder man from Georgia. revert to a procedure where nothing Edwards (AL) Martin (IL) Solomon Edwards (OK) Martin (NC) Spence Mr. LEVITAS. I thank the gentle- happens until we have acted. Emerson Martin (NY) Spratt man for yielding. With regard to the unelected, yes, English McCain Staggers Mr. Chairman, let me just pick up we have professional staff and, no, Erdreich McCandless Stangeland have a Erlenborn McCollum Stenholm where the gentleman left off, because they are not the final say. We Fiedler McDade Stump the gentleman will probably want to President of the United States who is Fields McEwen Tallon extend that litany of measures to such also elected. Not the one I wish was Flippo Michel Tauke things as foreign arms sales. Certainly elected, but he was elected. He is enti- Frenzel Miller (OH) Tauzin Frost Mollohan Taylor the gentleman would like to play some tled to make his judgment. We, as Fuqua Montgomery Thomas (CA) role in a decision to sell F-16's to Members of Congress, then have the Gaydos Moore Thomas (GA) Jordan. responsiblity to stand up. Gekas Moorhead Valentine pro tempore. The Gilman Morrison (WA) Vander Jagt Mr. FRANK. I will take back my The CHAIRMAN Gingrich Murphy Vandergriff time, and I point out that this Con- time of the gentleman from Massachu- Goodling Myers Vucanovich gress has just acted very effectively to setts (Mr.FRANK) has expired. Gramm Nelson Walker

11-059 0-87-16 (Pt. 22) CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 30854 Mr. Chappell for, with Mr. Lowry of against. Watkins Winn WashingtonYatron ileged to sit, the potential implications Whitehurst Wolf Mr. HanceYoung (AK)for,with Mr. Guarini against. Whitley Wortley Mr. FranklinYoung (FL) for, with Mr. Owens against. of the double lining requirement to Whittaker Wright Messrs.Young (MO)NEAL, DASCHLE, and the American utility and mining in- Wilson Wylie Zschau dustry-with RUSSO changed their votes from its massive amounts of NOES-195"aye" to "no." coal combustion byproducts and waste rock-were not considered. Ackerman Frank Messrs.Mrazek EDWARDS of Alabama, Addabbo Garcia SLATTERY,Murtha PORTER, LEWIS of As my colleagues may recall, the Akaka Gejdenson Natcher 1980 amendments to the Solid Waste Alexander California,Neal LIVINGSTON, NELSON Gephardt of Florida, and MADIGAN changed Disposal Act (at section 3001(b)(3)(a) Anderson Gibbons Oakar (i) and (ii)) deferred any hazardous Andrews tTX Glickman their votesObey from "no" to "aye." Annunzio Gonzalez So theOrtiz amendment was agreed to. waste regulatory coverage of coal com- Aspin Gore TheOttinger result of the vote was an- bustion wastes and mining and miner- AuCoin Gradison Panetta al processing waste (solid wastes from Barnes Gray nouncedPatterson as above recorded. Bates Green Pease the extraction, and processing of ores Bedell Hall (IN) Pepper [1820 and minerals, phosphate rock, and Beilenson Hall (OH) Perkins overburden from uranium mining) Bennett Hall. Sam Mr. PickleTAUZIN. Mr. Chairman, I ask Berman Hamilton unanimousPrice consent to return to sec- until completion of EPA studies man- Biaggi Harkin tion 21Rangel for the purpose of offering a dated under sections 8002 (f), (n),and Boehlert Harrison Ratchford (p). These amendments were adopted Boggs Hawkins noncontroversialReid amendment. Boland Hayes TheRichardson CHAIRMAN pro tempore. Is because it was generally acknowledged Bonior Hertel there Rinaldoobjection to the request of the that there is an insufficient basis for Bonker Horton gentlemanRodino from Louisiana? declaring coal combustion wastes and Borski Howard Roe mine wastes hazardous absent further Bosco Hoyer ThereRostenkowski was no objection. study. The EPA studies are not ex- Boucher Hughes AMENDMENTRoukema OFFERED BY MR. TAUZIN Boxer Jacobs Roybal pected to be completed until about Oc- Brooks Jeffords Mr.Russo TAUZIN. Mr. Chairman,I offer tober 1984. Brown (CA) Johnson an amendment.Sabo Second, solid wastes from mining Bryant Jones(NC) TheScheuer Clerk read as follows: Burton (CA) Jones (OK) Schneider and mineral processing are, in compar- Carper Jones (TN)Amendment Schroeder offered by Mr.TAUZIN: ison to other industrial wastes, of Carr KastenmeierSEC. 21.Schumer Section 3004 is amended by insert- enormous volume and generally of Clarke Kennelly ing theSeiberling following at the end thereof: Clay Kildee (k) MINIMUMShannon REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN lower toxicity, according to the Office Coleman (TX) Kolter FACILITIES.-Sharp of Technology Assessment Study. Collins Kostmayer Sikorski Mining and mineral processing wastes Conable LaFalce (1)(A)Simon Except as provided in subparagraph Conte Lantos (B), eachSmith landfill (FL) or surface impoundment are primarily the crushed and granu- Conyers Leach for whichSmith an (NJ) application for a permit under lar rock remaining after the removal Courter Lehman (CA)section Snowe 3005(c) is received by the Adminis- of the minerals. In a typical year, ac- Coyne Lehman (FL)trator Stafter Germain the date of the enactment of cording to the American Mining Con- Crockett Leland the HazardousStark Waste Control Enforcement D'Amours Lent Act of Stokes1983 shall be required (as a condition gress (AMC), approximately 1.75 bil- Daschle Levin Stratton lion tons of waste rock, tailings, and Dellums Levine of receivingStudds such permit) to be double lined Dicks Long (LA)and to Swiftmonitor ground water. slag are produced, in comparison to Dingell Markey (B) WithSynar respect to each landfill or sur- other industries' estimated 40 million Dixon Martinez face impoundmentTorres containing those solid annual tons of regulated hazardous Donnelly Matsui wastes Torricellisubject to the study required under wastes. The Mining Congress also esti- Durbin Mavroules Towns section 8002 (f), (n), or (p) and which land- mates that a typical underground Dwyer Mazzoli fill or Traxlersurface impoundment becomes sub- Dymally McCloskeyject toUdall regulation under this subchapter, mine producing 50,000 tons of mineral Eckart McGrath Vento concentrate removes between 5,000 Edwards (CA) McHugh standardsVolkmer promulgated under subsection (A) Evans (IA) McKernanfor suchWalgren facility shall require the monitor- and 6,000 tons of rock a day. From Evans (IL) McKinneying of Waxmanground water and such other stand- this, 150 to 200 tons of mineral concen- Fascell McNulty ards asWeaver the Administrator may determine trate is produced. Similarly, a typical Fazio Mica are necessaryWeber to assure the protection of surface mine removes 100,000 tons of Feighan Mikulski humanWeiss health and the environment; and Ferraro Miller (CA) Wheat rock per day. Fish Mineta Mr. WirthTAUZIN (during the reading). Given that the mineral content of Florio Minish Mr. Chairman,Wise I ask unanimous con- ore can be as low as less than 1 per- Foglietta Mitchell sent thatWolpe the amendment be consid- Foley Moakley Wyden cent of the ore, you have got a lot of Ford (MI) Moody ered Yatesas read and printed in the ground rock to dump in a surface im- Fowler Morrison (CT)RECORD. Zablocki poundment that may cover an area of Guarini PackardNOT VOTING-40The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. Is 300 to 500 or more acres over the life Hance Pashayan there objection to the request of the of a mine. These disposal areas are Hansen (UT)BarnardPaul Chappell gentleman from Louisiana? necessarily close to the mining and Hartnett Coelho Rose There was no objection. Hatcher Savage milling facilities and frequently in Kazen DannemeyerSmith (IA) Mr. TAUZIN. Mr. Chairman, the rough terrain, unlike the much small- de la Garza Kogovsek Derrick Smith, Denny amendment which I offer today cor- er sites that can be selected for other Lowry (WA) Solarz rects an oversight in section 21 of H.R. In addi- Luken DickinsonSundquist types of industrial landfills. Dowdy 2867, which establishes certain design tion, mine sites vary from site to site Lundine DowneyWhitten Marriott Williams (MT) and performance standards. As writ- in terms of the geology of the ore, the McCurdy Early Williams (OH) Edgar ten,section 21 requires that newly per- hydrology of the area, and climate. In Molinari mitted or repermitted landfills and Owens Ford (TN) short it will be impossible to deter- Forsythe surface impoundments receiving a haz- mine whether mining and mineral O 1810Franklin ardous waste be double lined, in addi- processing wastes present any threat tion to requiring ground water moni- The Clerk announced the following to the environment until the EPA toring. When this requirement was study is completed next year. pairs: agreed to in the Energy and Com- On this vote: We simply did not consider this in merce Committee, on which I am priv- committee, and its clear that the sheer volume of this waste ore plus the gen- November 3,1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30855 erally rough terrain near mines would Mr. LENT. Mr. Chairman, will the Page 34, line 22, insert a coma "handling". make a mandatory lining requirement gentleman yield? Page 44, line 10, strike out "such date of impractical. We also ought to wait for Mr. TAUZIN. I yield to the gentle- enactment" and substitute "the date of such the outcome of the EPA studies in this man from New York. submission". Page 44, beginning in line 13, strike out area before we legislate any specific Mr. LENT. I thank the gentleman "granting" and all that follows down to the design requirement. for yielding. period in line 14 and substitute "such date Similarly, the byproducts from the Mr. Chairman, we have also re- of enactment". combustion of coal and other fossil viewed the gentleman's amendment on Page 52, line 23, strike out "7007" and sub- fuels are of very large volumes and of this side, and we support it. stitute "7006". relatively low toxicity. Utilities annu- Mr. TAUZIN. I thank the gentle- Mr. FLORIO (during the reading). ally produce approximately 70 million man. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous con- tons of coal combustion byproducts The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. The sent that the amendments be consid- such as fly ash, bottom ash, slag, and question is on the amendment offered ered as read and printed in the flue gas emmissions. Out of necessity, by the gentleman from Louisiana (Mr. RECORD. much of these byproducts must be TAUZIN). The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. Is landfilled or placed in surface im- The amendment was agreed to. there objection to the request of the poundments. While the study on these Mr. FLORIO. Mr. Chairman, I ask gentleman from New Jersey? wastes has not been submitted by EPA unanimous consent to return to title There was no objection. to Congress, preliminary evaluations 25 for the purpose of offering amend- Mr. FLORIO. Mr. Chairman, these by DOE, in a separate study, indicate ments. are purely technical amendments that, based on the EPA's EP toxicity The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. Is which are acquiesced in by the minori- test for inorganic materials, the coal there objection to the request of the ty. wastes collected in their study are clas- gentleman from New Jersey? Mr. LENT. Mr. Chairman, will the sified as nonhazardous. Therefore, it There was no objection. gentleman yield? would be wiser to provide EPA with AMENDMENTS OFFERED BY MR. FLORIO Mr. FLORIO. I will be happy to the flexibility it needs to determine Mr. FLORIO. Mr. Chairman, I offer yield to the gentleman from New the most appropriate, effective, and amendments. York. practicable approach to contain the The Clerk read as follows: Mr. LENT. I thank the gentleman particular hazardous waste, if it is so Amendments offered by Mr. FLORIO: for yielding. declared. Page 2, line 4 after "(a)" insert "SHORT Mr. Chairman, these are technical Consequently, this amendment re- TITLE.-" and in line 6 after "(b)" insert amendments, the minority staff has the current language in section AMENDMENT.-". tains Page 8, lines 18 and 19, strike out "Solid gone over them, and they are appro- 21 requiring double lining and ground Waste Disposal Act Amendments of 1983" priate amendments. water monitoring in landfills and sur- and substitute "Hazardous Waste Control The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. The face impoundments generally, but and Enforcement Act of 1983". question is on the amendments offered adds a paragraph to deal with landfills Page 12, line 3, strike out "section 3004" by the gentleman from New Jersey or surface impoundments containing and substitute "this section". (Mr.FLORIO). coal combustion or mining and miner- Page 15, line 8, strike out "subsection The amendments were agreed to. al processing wastes. Specifically. if (d)(1)" and substitute "this paragraph". Page 17, line 10, strike out the words "of O 1830 the EPA study concludes that some of promulgation". these landfills and impoundments Page 18, after line 2,insert: Mr. WORTLEY. Mr. Chairman, I should be regulated as hazardous (e) CORRECTIONS.-(1) In the first sentence move to strike the last word. waste sites under subtitle C, the of section 3006(g)(1) (as added by subsection Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of amendment directs EPA to require (b) of this section) before "authorized" the Hazardous Waste Control and En- ground water monitoring and issue insert: "interim or finally". forcement Act, H.R. 2867, because it is standards for the landfill or impound- (2) In the second sentence of section 3006(g)(1) (as added by subsection (b) of a balanced bill that offers a chance to ment, requiring appropriate and prac- this section)- assist our Nation's small business com- ticable measures that will protect (A) strike out "enforce" and substitute munity while insuring a high level of human health and the environment. "carry out"; environmental protection for the This amendment has been reviewed (B)strike out "(A)"; American people. by the gentleman from New Jersey (C) insert "finally" before "authorized"; The measure reauthorizes the Re- (Mr. FLORIO), the gentleman from and source Conservation and Recovery Act Ohio who sponsored section 21 in the (D)strike out "requirement, or" and all and substantially strengthens it in a committee (Mr.ECKART), and the gen- that follows down through the end of para- graph (1)and substitute "requirement.". number of important areas. It provides tleman from Alabama (Mr. BEVILL), (3) In the first sentence of section important new safeguards for human who sponsored the 1980 amend- 3006(g)(2) (as added by subsection (b) of health and the environment, including ments-all of whom do not object to it. this section), strike out "is authorized" and a ban on most toxic wastes such as ar- In addition, the EPA has informed the substitute "has been granted interim or senic and cyanide; a ban on the under- majority and minority staffs of the final authorization". ground injection of hazardous wastes Energy and Commerce Committee (4) In the second sentence of section into or above underground sources of that this is an acceptable and appro- 3006(g)(2) (as added by subsection (b) of drinking water; and a prohibition on this section) insert "shall" after "The Ad- in landfills, priate amendment. ministrator" and strike out "enforcement" the disposal of bulk liquids I, therefore,urge its adoption. and substitute "administration". an extremely dangerous practice. In Mr. FLORIO. Mr. Chairman, will Page 27, line 7, after "(A)" insert "(ii)". addition, the bill requires the EPA to the gentleman yield? Page 27, line 8, strike out "four-, five," and study specified hazardous wastes to Mr. TAUZIN. I yield to the gentle- substitute "five-". determine whether they should be man from New Jersey. Page 27, strike out line 12 through 15. banned entirely from land disposal. It Mr. FLORIO. I thank the gentleman Page 27, line 16, strike out "(ii)" and sub- is incredible how his country has per- for yielding. stitute "(i)". mitted hazardous wastes to be dumped Page 27, strike out line 19, and substitute Mr. Chairman, I support the amend- "graph (A)(ii)), or" without being checked. ment, and the majority supports the Page 27, line 20, strike out "(iii)" and sub- The bill is fair to small business be- amendment as desirable. stitute "(ii)". cause it provides them sufficient time Mr. TAUZIN. I thank the gentle- Page 29, lines 21 and 22, strike out "inter- to become aware of the new regula- man. est" and substitute "interests". tions and comply with those regula- 30856 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 tions before being forced to satisfy where the water is used as a drinking nated with State highway agencies large generator regulations. As we all water supply. In this country about 50 and with the EPA. know, the small business person does percent of the population relies on The Bureau lacks the expertise it not have the extensive manpower, re- ground water for their drinking water needs to be effective with the techni- sources or time to even attempt to source, a statistic which underscores cal problems posed by radioactive ma- comply with large generator regula- the urgent need for protection of terials. tions. This bill takes the reasonable ground water quality through the pre- I could give a much longer list of approach. In addition, the bill calls on vention of groundwater contamina- shortfalls in the Federal enforcement the EPA to engage in education activi- tion. of transportation regulations. These ties that will help small quantity gen- This problem is of particular con- standards will be very important when erators learn what their new responsi- cern to me as a Pennsylvania where cargoes as volatile as hazardous waste bilities are. over 30 percent of the population are involved. Again, I would just like to say that relies on ground water for their drink- Congress has got to react to the in- on balance this is a worthwhile bill ing water. In my district we are also creased movement of hazardous mate- that takes the proper action to insure working on the Nation's third worst rials. The agencies responsible for a clean and safe environment and pro- hazardous waste site: The Bruin public safety have to be given suffi- tect our small business community. Lagoon. This site is a potential threat cient resources to enforce the law * Mr. KOLTER. Mr. Chairman, the to the health of the people living which H.R. 2867 strengthens.e Hazardous Waste Control and En- nearby and perhaps is more of a * Ms. KAPTUR. Mr. Chairman, I rise forcement Act of 1983 (H.R. 2867) ac- threat to people living downstream of today in support of H.R. 2867, the complishes several very important ob- the site. With the stringent provisions Hazardous Waste Control and En- jectives which improve upon the provi- regulating the generation and land dis- forcement Act of 1983. The bill reau- sions in the Resource Conservation posal of hazardous waste in H.R. 2867 thorizes and makes extensive amend- and Recovery Act of 1976 (RCRA). as well as with the additional regula- ments is the recognition by tory and enforcement authority avail- to strengthen the Resource Most important Conservation supporters of this bill, that land dis- able to the Environmental Protection and Recovery Act posal of hazardous waste poses a per- Agency under this bill the creation of (RCRA), which mandates Federal and manent threat to public health and future Bruin Lagoons will be prevent- State regulations for control of haz- the environment through ground ed and ground water quality will be ardous waste. This legislation provides water contamination, if such disposal protected. important new safeguards for human goes unregulated. The bill addresses * Mrs. COLLINS. Mr. Chairman, I health and our environment. the groundwater contamination issue rise in support of H.R. 2867, the Haz- Passage of H.R. 2867 will close sever- through provisions designed to reduce ardous Waste Control and Enforce- al loopholes that exist in RCRA which society's reliance on land disposal ment Act of 1983. have enabled hazardous waste to methods by encouraging the use of al- Congressman FLORIO has correctly escape regulations and endanger the ternative technologies such as pre- responded to the threats posed to health of our people. This legislation treatment to stabilize the waste or in- safety by the explosive growth in the will do the following: Ban any under- cineration. amount of hazardous materials in our ground injection of hazardous wastes The groundwater problem is also ad- transportation system. H.R. 2867 in or around drinking water supplies; dressed through the extension of allows for the regulation of a host of ban the most toxic wastes from land RCRA coverage to small quantity gen- new materials, including waste oil. The disposal; prohibit expansion of any in- erators. These generators formerly bill further defines the regulations terim status facility by more than 10 were permitted to dispose of their covering the documentation, packag- percent; require EPA to list waste waste into sanitary landfills or public- ing, and labeling of dangerous cargoes. which contain dioxins; require stricter ly owned treatment facilities. These In short, the transportation industry penalties for those who deliberately facilities were not designed to handle will have to carry a justifiably heavier violate RCRA; and, broaden the rights hazardous waste or heavy metals. regulatory burden. An additional of citizens to sue if they believe a haz- Further the bill includes a provision burden, therefore, will have to be ardous waste facility presents an envi- which severely limits the underground borne by regulatory agencies. ronmental threat. injection of hazardous waste. It was My Subcommittee on Government Most of the disposal of hazardous the concern of Congress that this in- Activities and Transportation has waste is currently unregulated. Not jection was occurring either into or spent the past 6 months performing only does improperly disposed waste above underground sources of drink- oversight of the U.S. Department of threaten our air, surface water and ing water. Transportation's Bureau of Motor drinking water, but it also endangers Although this bill will cause some Carrier Safety. One of the major chal- American lives. A 3-year study by the hardship to small quantity generators, lenges facing the Bureau is the trans- Office of Technology Assessment it also has the support of some mem- portation of hazardous materials, in- found that EPA regulations under bers of this group, such as the Neigh- cluding nuclear waste. RCRA do not assure consistent nation- borhood Cleaners Association, repre- My subcommittee research ad- wide levels of protection for human senting 10,000 dry cleaning establish- dressed the effectiveness and efficien- health. It is quite apparent that cur- ments nationwide. cy of the Bureau. The BMCS is the rent regulations must be strengthened Congress in H.R. 2867 has recog- primary agency responsible for en- to insure the safety of our citizens. nized that in the case of hazardous forcement of truck safety regulations. Mr. Chairman, H.R. 2867 is one of waste, it is less costly for society to As our upcoming investigative report the most important environmental prevent environmental contamination will detail, the Bureau of Motor Carri- bills that the House will consider. By than it is to clean up the problems er Safety is a paper tiger. It is not an strengthening the current hazardous after the damage is done. Thus the adequate deterrent to the unsafe waste regulations, we can begin to re- prevention approach avoids placing transport of hazardous cargoes. As store the trust of the American further burdens on the Superfund more and more nuclear waste moves people. We can show a concerned and program. along our roads, the Bureau's meager fearful populace that Congress is The prevention approach also recog- resources will be strained. BMCS has staunchly committed to protecting nizes that in some cases of ground fewer than 200 auditors nationwide. them from hazardous waste. I urge my water contamination, the effect is per- Its prosecution rate is poor. The colleagues to join me in support of the manent and it is prohibitively expen- Bureau does not keep track of carriers Hazardous Waste Control and En- sive to remove the toxic contaminants in its own records. It is poorly coordi- forcement Act.e November 3, 1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30857 The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. The with the blank space being filled in appro- ministrator may promulgate another final question is on the committee amend- priately. rule which relates to the same subject as ment in the nature of a substitute, as "(ii) the term 'major rule' means a rule the rule which was disapproved. Such other amended. promulgated by the Administrator under final rule- The committee amendment in the subtitle C of the Solid Waste Disposal Act "(i) shall be based upon- with respect to hazardous waste from a "(I) the rulemaking record of the disap- nature of a substitute, as amended, small quantity generator referred to in sec- proved final rule; or was agreed to. tion 3001(d) of the Solid Waste Disposal Act "(II)such rulemaking record and the The CHAIRMAN pro tempore. and which has an annual economic impact record established in any supplemental rule- Under the rule, the Committee rises. of $100,000,000 or more. making proceedings conducted by the Ad- Accordingly the Committee rose; "(C)(i) Enactment of a joint resolution ninistrator in accordance with section 553 and the Speaker pro tempore. (Mr. with respect to a final rule of the Adminis- of title 5, United States Code, in any case in FOLEY) having assumed the chair, Mr. trator shall not be construed to create any which the Administrator determines that it presumption of validity with respect to such is necessary to supplement the existing rule- KILDEE, Chairman pro tempore of the rule and shall not affect the review of the Whole House on the making record; and Committee of the rule under chapter 7 of title 5, United States "(ii) may contain such changes as the Ad- State of the Union, reported that that Code. ministrator considers necessary or appropri- Committee, having had under consid- "(ii) Congressional inaction on, or rejec- ate. eration the bill (H.R. 2867) to amend tion of, a joint resolution under this subsec- "(E) The Administrator, after promulgat- the Solid Waste Disposal Act to au- tion disapproving a final rule of the Admin- ing a final rule under subparagraph (D), thorize appropriations for the fiscal istrator shall not be construed as an expres- shall submit the final rule to Congress in ac- years 1984 through 1986, and for other sion of approval of such final rule and shall cordance with paragraph (1).". not be construed to create any presumption (b) EFFECTIVE DATE.-The amendment purposes, pursuant to House Resolu- of validity with respect to such final rule. tion 274, he reported the bill back to made by subsection (a)shall apply with re- "(3)(A) Any final rule of the Administra- spect to final rules promulgated by the Ad- the House with an amendment adopt- tor referred to in paragraph (1) which is not ministrator of the Environmental Protec- ed by the Committee of the Whole. a major rule shall become effective in ac- tion Agency under the Solid Waste Disposal The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under cordance with subsection (b) unless- Act after the date of the enactment of this the rule, the previous question is or- "(i) before the end of the period of thirty- Act. five calendar days of continuous session of dered. Mr. FLORIO (during the reading). Is a separate vote demanded on any Congress after the date such final rule is submitted to the Congress, a joint resolu- Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent amendment to the Committee amend- tion disapproving such final rule is intro- that the amendment be considered as ment in the nature of a substitute duced in either House; and read and printed in the RECORD. adopted by the Committee of the "(ii) before the end of the period of ninety The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is Whole? calendar days of continuous session after there objection to the request of the Mr. FLORIO. Mr. Speaker, I the date such final rule is submitted to the gentleman from New Jersey? demand a separate vote on the so- Congress, a joint resolution disapproving There was no objection. called Levitas amendment. such final rule is enacted. PARLIAMENTARY The SPEAKER pro tempore. The "(B)(i) For purposes of this paragraph, INQUIRY gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. continuity of session is broken only by- Mr.LEVITAS. Mr. Speaker, I have a "(I) an adjournment sine die at the end of parliamentary inquiry. FLORIO) demands a separate vote on the second regular session of a Congress, the Levitas amendment, and the Clerk The SPEAKER pro tempore. The and gentleman will state his parliamentary will report the amendment. "(II) an adjournment by either House of The Clerk read as follows: inquiry. Congress of more than five days to a date Mr. LEVITAS. Mr. Speaker, the par- Amendment: Page 59, insert after line 4 certain. "(ii) If- liamentary inquiry is this: Is the the following: amendment that we are about to vote SMALL QUANTITY GENERATOR WASTE RULES "(I) an adjournment sine die of the Con- gress which breaks the continuity of session on the same amendment that the SEC. 26. (a) CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL.- subparagraph (B)(i)) occurs out (as specified in Committee last adopted? Section 3010 is amended (1) by striking after the Administrator has submitted a "The" in subsection (b)and inserting in lieu The SPEAKER pro tempore. The final rule under paragraph (1), but before Chair will state that the amendment thereof "Except as provided in subsection any action necessary to disapprove the final at the end the we are now voting on is the so-called (c), the", and (2) by adding rule is completed under this paragraph, and following: "(II) such adjournment occurs (I) before Levitas amendment, since a separate "(c) SMALL QUANTITY GENERATOR WASTE subpara- vote was demanded by the gentleman RULES.-(1) The Administrator shall, after the end of the period specified in graph (A)(i),in a case in which a joint reso- from New Jersey (Mr.FLORIO). promulgating a final rule under this subtitle is on the amendment. respecting hazardous waste from a small lution disapproving such final has not been The question referred to in section introduced before such adjournment, or (II) The question was taken; and the quantity generator in 3001(d), submit such final rule to the Con- before the end of the period specified Speaker pro tempore announced that gress for review in accordance with this sub- subparagraph (A)(ii), in a case in which the noes appeared to have it. section. Such final rule shall be delivered to such a joint resolution has been introduced Mr. CAMPBELL. Mr. Speaker, on each House of the Congress on the same in either House before such adjournment, that I demand the yeas and nays. day and to each House of Congress while it then the Administrator shall resubmit such The yeas and nays were ordered. final rule at the beginning of the first regu- is in session. The vote was taken by electronic "(2)(A) A final rule referred to in para- lar session of the next Congress. The peri- graph (1) which is a major rule shall be ods specified in subparagraph (A) shall device, and there were-yeas 189, nays treated, for purposes of section 3001(d), as begin on the date of such resubmission. 204, not voting 40, as follows: not having been promulgated and may not "(C) For purposes of this paragraph, the [Roll No. 452] take effect unless a joint resolution approv- term 'joint resolution' means a joint resolu- YEAS-189 ing such rule has been enacted. tion the matter after the resolving clause of final rule pro- Albosta Boner Coats "(B) For purposes of subparagraph (A): which is as follows: 'Thatthe Alexander Breaux Coleman (MO) "(i) The term 'joint resolution' means a mulgated by the Administrator under sub- Andrews (NC) Britt Corcoran joint resolution of the Congress which title C of the Solid Waste Disposal Act re- Anthony Broomfield Coughlin states the following after the resolving specting hazardous waste from a small Applegate Brown (CO) Craig clause: 'That the Congress approves the quantity generator referred to in section Archer Broyhill Crane. Daniel final rule promulgated by the Administrator 3001(d) of the Solid Waste Disposal Act and Badham Burton (IN) Crane. Philip of Environmental Protection Agency under transmitted to the Congress on is Bartlett Byron Daniel Bateman Campbell Daub subtitle C of the Solid Waste Disposal Act disapproved, with the blank being filled Bereuter Carney Davis respecting hazardous waste from a small with the date of submittal of the rule to the Bethune Chandler DeWine quantity generator referred to in section Congress. Bevill Chappie Dorgan 3001(d) of the Solid Waste Disposal Act and "(D) If a final rule of the Administrator is Bilirakis Cheney Dreier transmitted to the Congress on .', disapproved under this paragraph, the Ad- Bliley Clinger Duncan 30858 November 3,1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE Dyson Lott Rudd Rinaldo Stratton AUTHORIZING THE CLERK TO Edwards (AL) Lowery (CA) Sawyer Rodino MoodyStudds MAKE CORRECTIONS IN EN- Edwards (OK) Lujan Schaefer Roe MorrisonSwift (CT) Emerson Lungren Schulze RostenkowskiMrazekSynar GROSSMENT OF H.R. 1234, HAZ- English Mack Sensenbrenner Roukema MurphyTorres ARDOUS WASTE CONTROL AND Erdreich MacKay Shaw Roybal MurthaTorricelli ENFORCEMENT ACT OF 1983 Erlenborn Madigan Shelby Russo NatcherTowns Fiedler Marlenee Shumway Sabo Neal Traxler Mr. FLORIO. Mr. Speaker, I ask Fields Martin (IL) Shuster Scheuer OakarUdall unanimous consent that the Clerk be Flippo Martin (NC) Siljander Schneider OberstarVento Frenzel Martin (NY) Sisisky Schroeder Obey Volkmer authorized to make technical and con- Fuqua McCain Skeen Schumer Ortiz Walgren forming changes, changes in section Gekas McCandless Skelton Seiberling OttingerWaxman numbers, paragraphs and punctuation Gilman McCollum Slattery Shannon PanettaWeaver in the engrossment of the bill (H.R. Gingrich McDade Smith (NE) Sharp PattersonWeber Goodling McEwen Smith. Robert Sikorski PeaseWeiss 2867) to amend the Solid Waste Dis- Gramm Michel Snyder Simon PennyWheat posal Act to authorize appropriations Gregg Miller (OH) Solomon Smith (FL)PepperWilliams (MT) for the fiscal years 1984 through 1986, Gunderson Mollohan Spence Smith (NJ)PerkinsWirth Hall. Ralph Montgomery Spratt Snowe PickleWise and for other purposes. Hammerschmidt Moore Stangeland St Germain Price Wolpe The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is Hansen (ID) Moorhead Stenholm Staggers RangelWyden there objection to the request of the Hefner Morrison (WA) Stump Stark RatchfordYates gentleman from New Jersey? Hightower Myers Tallon Stokes Reid Zablocki Hiler Nelson Tauke Richardson There was no objection. Hillis Nichols Tauzin Holt Nielson Taylor Barnard Franklin Owens NOT VOTING-40 Hopkins Nowak Thomas (CA) Chappell Guarini Packard PERSONAL EXPLANATION Hubbard O'Brien Thomas (GA) Coelho Hance Pashayan Huckaby Olin Valentine Dannemeyer Hansen (UT) Paul Mr. GARCIA. Mr. Speaker, I mistak- Hunter Oxley Vander Jagt de la Garza Hartnett Rose enly voted for funding for the MX Hutto Parris Vandergriff Derrick Hatcher Savage during Tuesday's consideration of Hyde Patman Vucanovich Dickinson Kazen Smith (IA) Ireland Petri Walker Dowdy Kogovsek Smith. Denny DOD appropriations. I voted against Jenkins Porter Watkins Downey Lowry (WA) Solarz Chairman ADDABBO's amendment that Kasich Pritchard Whitehurst Early Luken Sundquist would have deleted funds for the MX, Kenmp Pursell Whitley Edgar Lundine Whitten Kindness Quillen Whittaker Fish Marriott Williams (OH) roll call vote No. 439. Kramer Rahall Wilson Ford (TN) McCurdy I have consistently voted against Lagomarsino Ray Winn Forsythe Molinari MX funding, and it was not my inten- Latta Regula Wolf Leath Ridge Wortley tion to change my position. I believe Levitas Ritter Wright O 1840 the MX is an inappropriate way to Lewis (CA) Roberts Wylie The Clerk announced the following maintain our defenses. I am also a sup- Lewis (FL) Robinson Yatron Lipinski Roemer Young (AK) pairs: porter of the nuclear freeze. In addi- Livingston Rogers Young (FL) On this vote: tion, it is my firmly held belief that Lloyd Roth Young (MO) money intended for the MX would be Loeffler Rowland Zschau Mr. Chappell for, with Mr. Lowry of Washington against. better used to help the needy of this NAYS-204 Mr. Hance for,with Mr. Guarini against. Nation. Ackerman Dicks Howard Mr. Franklin for, with Mr. Owens against. One final point. It struck me that Addabbo Dingell Hoyer Mr. STAGGERS changed his vote my vote on Tuesday was a result of Akaka Dixon Hughes human error. Luckily, it was not the Anderson Donnelly Jacobs from "nay" to "yea." Andrews (TX) Durbin Jeffords Mr. STAGGERS changed his vote decisive vote, and that my record will Annunzio Dwyer Johnson from "yea" to "nay." bear out my statement. But the point Aspin Dymally Jones (NC) So the amendment was rejected. is clear, we are all capable of making AuCoin Eckart Jones (OK) errors. This makes me wonder what Barnes Edwards (CA) Jones (TN) The result of the vote was an- Bates Evans (IA) Kaptur nounced as above recorded. happens if, by human error, a nuclear Bedell Evans (IL) Kastenmeier device is detonated. I pray this will Beilenson Fascell Kennelly The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is a never be the case, and I am certain Bennett Fazio Kildee separate vote demanded on any other there are ample safeguards against Berman Feighan Kolter amendment to the committee amend- Biaggi Ferraro Kostmayer such an accident. I do not think we Boehlert Florio LaFalce ment in the nature of a substitute need necessarily go home tonight and Boggs Foglietta Lantos adopted by the Committee of the worry about it. Boland Foley Leach Whole? If not, the question is on the Bonior Ford (MI) Lehman (CA) I do, however, believe we must take Bonker Fowler Lehman (FL) amendment. into consideration human error and Borski Frank Leland The amendment was agreed to. the possibility of such a disaster as we Bosco Frost Lent The bill was ordered to be engrossed Boucher Garcia Levin continue to develop and deploy nucle- Boxer Gaydos Levine and read a third time, was read the ar arms. I may made a mistake in my Brooks Gejdenson Long (LA) third time, and passed, and a motion vote, but I have not changed my posi- Brown (CA) Gephardt Long (MD) to reconsider was laid on the table. tion: the nuclear arms race must end Bryant Gibbons Markey Burton (CA) Glickman Martinez now. Further funding for the MX is Carper Gonzalez Matsui the real mistake. Carr Gore Mavroules D 1850 Clarke Gradison Mazzoli Clay Gray McCloskey GENERAL LEAVE Coleman (TX) Green McGrath PROVIDING FOR CONSIDER- Collins Hall (IN) McHugh Mr. FLORIO. Mr. Speaker, I ask ATION OF H.R. 2114, AUTHORIZ- Conable Hall (OH) McKernan unanimous consent that all Members ING APPROPRIATIONS FOR Conte Hall. Sam McKinney Conyers Hamilton McNulty have 5 legislative days in which to MARITIME PROGRAMS OF DE- Cooper Harkin Mica revise and extend their remarks on the PARTMENT OF TRANSPORTA- Courter Harrison Mikulski bill just passed. TION, 1984 Coyne Hawkins Miller (CA) Crockett Hayes Mineta The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is Mr. FROST. Mr. Speaker, by direc- D'Amours Heftel Minish there objection to the request of the tion of the Committee on Rules, I call Daschle Hertel Mitchell gentleman from New Jersey? up House Resolution 352 and ask Dellums Horton for Moakley There was no objection. its immediate consideration. November 3,1983 CC NGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOU[SE 30859 The Clerk read the resolution, as fol- dies into the domestic trade of the all after the enacting clause in S. 1037 lows: United States. Since these two com- and insert the House-passed bill. H. RES. 352 mittee amendments were not germane Mr. Speaker, I have no objections to Resolved, That at any time after the adop- to the introduced authorization, the the rule. However, I do feel that per- tion of this resolution the Speaker may, Committee on Rules has provided a haps the Merchant Marine Committee pursuant to clause 1(b) of rule XXIII, de- waiver of clause 7, rule XVI, the ger- is acting too quickly in offering an clare the House resolved into the Commit- maneness rule, to permit their consid- amendment that would, in effect, kill tee of the Whole House on the State of the eration. a proposal of the Department of Union for the consideration of the bill (H.R. motion to 2114) to authorize appropriations for the The rule provides for one Transportation. The Department has fiscal year 1984 for certain maritime pro- recommit and in addition provides proposed that ships built with con- grams of the Department of Transporta- that after passage of H.R. 2114, the struction differential subsidies be al- tion, and for other purposes, and the first Committee on Merchant Marine and lowed to repay these subsidies with in- reading of the bill shall be dispensed with. Fisheries shall be discharged from the terest in exchange for being allowed to After general debate, which shall be con- further consideration of S. 1037, the enter domestic trade. Under current fined to the bill and shall continue not to companion bill to H.R. 2114, and that law, subsidized vessels are not allowed exceed one hour, to be equally divided and it shall then be in order in the House to operate in domestic trade. The ves- controlled by the chairman and ranking mi- to move to strike out all after the en- nority member of the Committee on Mer- sels involved are U.S. vessels, built in chant Marine and Fisheries, the bill shall be acting clause of S. 1037 and to insert U.S. shipyards, owned by U.S. citizens read for amendment under the five-minute in lieu thereof the provisions of H.R. and manned by U.S. crews. rule. It shall be in order to consider the 2114 as passed by the House. The proposal would allow repayment amendments recommended by the Commit- Mr. Speaker, in addition to the pro- of about $200 million, which would go tee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries now visions of sections 2 and 3 which I directly into the U.S. Treasury. It printed in the bill inserting new sections 2 have outlined, H.R. 2114 provides au- would possibly result in increased com- and 3, and all points of order against said thorizations of $486.8 million for the to comply with the petition in the domestic oil trade and amendments for failure maritime programs of the Department lower oil transportation costs. This provisions of clause 7, rule XVI are hereby of Transportation during fiscal year waived. At the conclusion of the consider- would indicate that the proposal ation of the bill for amendment, the Com- 1984. The bulk of these authoriza- might be in the long-term best interest mittee shall rise and report the bill to the tions, or $401 million, are authorized of this country. House with such amendments as may have for payment to owners of ships that I understand that committee action been adopted, and the previous question operate in foreign trade under the was based on 1 day of hearings. Per- shall be considered as ordered on the bill U.S. flag and with American crews. haps we might be well advised to study and amendments thereto to final passage These operating differential subsidies this proposal in more detail. without intervening motion except one are needed to maintain an adequate motion to recommit. After passage of H.R. Mr. Speaker, I have no requests for U.S. merchant marine fleet which time, and I yield back the balance of 2114, the Committee on Merchant Marine be mobilized if needed for the and Fisheries shall be discharged from the could my time. further consideration of the bill S. 1037, and defense of the United States and the Mr. FROST. Mr. Speaker, I have no it shall then be in order in the House to $401 million represents the amount re- requests for time, and I move the pre- move to strike out all after the enacting quested by the administration. vious question on the resolution. clause of the said bill and to insert in lieu Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 352 The previous question was ordered. thereof the provisions contained in H.R. is a straightforward open rule which The resolution was agreed to. 2114 as passed by the House. provides for the consideration of au- A motion to reconsider was laid on The SPEAKER pro tempore. The thorizations most important to U.S. the table. gentleman from Texas (Mr.FROST) is trade and national defense. I urge recognized for 1 hour. adoption of the resolution so that the Mr. FROST. Mr. Speaker, I yield the House may proceed to the consider- O 1900 customary 30 minutes to the gentle- ation of this legislation. man from Mississippi (Mr.LOTT), for Mr. LOTT. Mr. Speaker, I yield COMMUNICATION FROM CHAIR- purposes of debate only, pending myself such time as I may consume. MAN OF COMMITTEE ON GOV- which I yield myself such time as I Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from ERNMENT OPERATIONS may consume. Texas has done an excellent job in de- The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 352 scribing this rule. MooDY) laid before the House the fol- is an open rule providing for the con- Mr. Speaker, this rule would make in lowing communication from the chair- sideration of H.R. 2114 which provides order consideration of H.R. 2114, man of the Committee on Government authorization for certain maritime which would authorize programs of Operations: programs of the Department of Trans- the Department of Transportation for COMMITTEE ON GOVEIPNMENT portation. fiscal year 1984. These programs OPERATIONS, The rule provides for 1 hour of gen- would provide for the development Washington,D.C., November 3, 1983. eral debate to be equally divided and and maintenance of an American mer- Hon.THOMAS P. O'NEILL,Jr., controlled by the chairman and rank- chant marine and for defense require- Speaker, House of Representatives, Wash- ing minority member of the Commit- ments. ington,D.C. tee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries. The resolution provides for an open DEAR MR. SPEAKER: This is to notify you, general debate. pursuant to Rule L (50) of the Rules of the The rule also provides that during rule with 1 hour of House, that Ronald Kader, an employee of consideration of the bill for amend- After general debate, the bill is open the General Accounting Office who had ment under the 5-minute rule, it shall for amendment under the 5-minute been detailed to the House Committee on be in order to consider the amend- rule. Amendments recommended by Government Operations, has been served ments recommended by the Commit- the Merchant Marine Committee have with two subpoenas issued by the Merit Sys- tee on Merchant Marine and Fisheries been made in order, and clause 7 of tems Protection Board of the Office of Per- now printed in the bill which insert rule 16, which is the germaneness rule, sonnel Management. I have been informed new sections 2 and 3. Section 2 re- has been waived against these amend- that the subpoenas seek to elicit testimony regarding Mr. Kader's service to this com- quires the Secretary of Transportation ments. The rule provides for no other mittee. I will, therefore, in consultation to pay the costs of fuel used by State motion, except one motion to recom- with the General Counsel to the Clerk of Merchant Marine Academies on their mit. After passage of the bill, S. 1037 the House, make the determinations as re- training vessels and section 3 places re- shall be discharged from the Mer- quired by Rule L (50). strictions on the admission of U.S. flag chant Marine Committee, and a Sincerely, vessels constructed with Federal subsi- motion shall be in order to strike out JACK BROOKS, Chairman. 30860 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 MISSING CHILDREN have voted on those pieces of legisla- An amendment that strikes language pro- hibiting use of funds to implement tax pro- (Mr. SIMON asked and was given tion. I regret that I was not here phys- ically to vote against the B-1 bomber visions dealing with withholding of interest permission to address the House for 1 and dividends: No. and other bad measures contained in minute and to revise and extend his An amendment that permits expenditure remarks.) the DOD bill. However, I was paired of funds to implement the instructions con- Mr. SIMON. Mr. Speaker, the on most of the more important pieces cerning ingredient labeling on alcoholic bev- Nation recently has started to come to of legislation. erages, if necessary to comply with a final grips with the problem of its missing WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER26, 1983 order of the Federal court system: Yes. An amendment that amends the contract- children-the estimated 50,000 chil- Agriculture Appropriations: House dis- agreed to the Senate amendments to H.R. ing out provisions to prohibit use of GSA dren who disappear each year who are funds to contract out services now per- Between 4,000 and 8,000 3223, making appropriations for Agricul- not runaways. ture, Rural Development, and Related formed by any veteran employed by GSA of these children are later found dead. Agencies programs for the fiscal year and provides that priority in contracting by Only the parent of a missing child ending September 30, 1984; and agreed to a GSA and provides that priority in contract- can know the frustration of learning conference. Appointed as conferees: Repre- ing out be given to nonprofit agencies for how little our Government is able to sentatives WHITTEN, TRAXLER, McHUGH, the blind or severely handicapped: Yes. help in the search for a missing son or NATCHER, AKAKA. WATKINS, HIGHTOWER, An amendment that prohibits use of daughter. Parents like John and Reve SMITH of Iowa, ALEXANDER. SMITH of Ne- funds to pay for abortions, except where the Walsh and Julie and Stan Patz have braska, ROBINSON, MYERS, ROGERS, and life of the mother would be endangered if brought this tragic situation to public CONTE. No objection. the fetus were carried to term, or adminis- Capitol Police: H. Res. 343, providing for trative expenses in connection with any knowledge. ungrading of four positions on the Capitol health plan under the Federal employees Last year, through enactment of the Police for duty under the House of Repre- health benefit program which provides any Missing Children Act, we plugged a sentatives. Yes (no objection). benefits or coverages for abortions: No. glaring loophole in the use of the Transfer of Submarine Albacore: S. 1944. An amendment that sought to strike lan- FBI's central crime computer which to to allow the obsolete submarine United guage prohibiting use of funds by OMB to that point had been used effectively States Ship Albacore to be transferred to review agricultural marketing orders: No. only to track stolen automobiles, but the Portsmouth Submarine Memorial Asso- A motion that the Committee of the only sparingly to track stolen children. ciation, Incorporated, before the expiration Whole rise: Aye. of the otherwise applicable sixty-day con- Export Administration Act Amendments: That was a remedial step-some- gressional review period. H.R. 3980, a simlar H.R. 3231, to amend the authorities con- thing which should have been done House bill, was laid on the table. Yes (no ob- tained in the Export Administration Act of years ago. jection). 1979. Mr. Chairman, this year we propose DOD Appropriations: H.R. 4185, making Motions to recommit the bill to the Com- a second Missing Children Act-a appropriations for the Department of De- mittee on Foreign Affairs with instructions phase 2 bill which would be the first fense for the fiscal year ending September to report it back forthwith containing an step toward a national policy on miss- 30, 1984: amendment to retain the President's au- ing children. Search efforts involving An amendment that adds $87.7 million to thority to impose extraterritorial foreign missing children have two basic prob- the military operation and maintenance ac- policy controls: Aye. counts: No. An amendment, that sought to eliminate lems: They are launched too late, and An amendment that increases funds for United States export licensing controls for they are doomed by too little informa- Army aircraft procurement by $81.7 million: low technology items exported to non-Com- tion. This bill is an attempt to get at No. munist countries and to provide for final both problems. This is the beginning An amendment that provides $37.3 million review of an export license application high of an early warning system for missing for the Stringer program: No. technology sales to a CoCom country: No. children. An amendment that provides that the Amendment in the nature of a substitute. I hope the Members will join my col- $218 million for the FFG-7 guided missile No objection. leagues IKE ANDREWS, AUSTIN frigate program be derived from within the An amendment that prohibits all new in- Navy shipbuilding MURPHY, LAWRENCE SMITH, DAN MAR- account; No. vestments in South Africa by United States An amendment that sought to strike firms or individuals: Yes. RIOTT, CLAY SHAW, VIC FAZIO, and funds for procurement of the Pershing II: An amendment that prohibits importation others as we press for action. Aye. of gold coins from the Soviet Union. No ob- An amendment to the previous amend- jection. ment that sought to provide an additional PERSONAL EXPLANATION FRIDAY, OCTOBER 28, 1983 $80 million for the MCM mine countermeas- Committee on Armed Services-Domestic (Mr. MITCHELL asked and was ures ship program: Aye. Volunteer Service: H.R. 2655, to extend and given permission to address the House National Theatre Week: H.J. Res. 292, des- ignating "National Theatre Week"-With improve the Domestic Volunteer Service Act for 1 minute, and to revise and extend of 1973: Yea. an amendment that authorizes the Presi- his remarks.) Agreed to the committee dent to issue a proclamation. Yes (no objec- amendment in Mr. MITCHELL. Mr. Speaker, un- tion). the nature of a substitute. No objection. An amendment that continues Foster fortunately, on the 26th of last month Drug Abuse Education Week: Res. 57, to I was admitted to Bethesda Naval Hos- designate the week of April 3 through April Grandparent eligibility for individuals pital, and I have been out for about 10 9, 1983, as "National Drug Abuse Education whose incomes do not exceed the poverty level; No objection. days. This caused me to miss some Week" With an amendment that changes An amendment that the designated week to the week of Novem- strikes language au- very, very important votes. thorizing the speaker to fill vacancies on ber 2 through November 9, 1983. When I first came to this Congress, the National Agreed to amend the title, yes (no objec- Advisory Committee on Juve- high on my priorities was an attempt nile Justice and tion). Delinquency Prevention to stem the growing trend of milita- when the President fails Family Week: S.J. Res. 45, designating the to make such ap- rism in this Nation and also an at- week of November 20, 1983, through Novem- pointments. No objection. An amendment tempt to try to cut down on the kind ber 26, 1983, as "National Family Week". that sought to strike lan- of military spending that we were Yes (no guage providing authorization floors for objection). VISTA.No. doing. Because of my hospitalization, I Diabetes Month: S.J. res. 121, to designate was forced to miss votes on the B1 November 1983 as National Diabetes Month. MONDAY, OCTOBER 31, 1983 bomber, on our troops in Grenada, on Yes (no objection). State-Justice Appropriations: H.R. 3222, the issue of Lebanon, and on many, Treasury-Postal Service Appropriations: making appropriations for the Departments many other issues that are very impor- H.R. 4139, making appropriations for the of Commerce, Justice, and State, the Judici- Treasury Department, the United States ary, and related agencies for the fiscal year tant to me both personally and legisla- Postal Service, the Executive Office of the ending September 30, 1984: tively. President, and certain Independent Agen- A motion, as amended to instruct confer- Therefore, I want to submit for the cies, for the fiscal year ending September ees to insist on the House position on RECORD an explanation of how I would 30, 1984: Yes. Senate amendment numbered 93 relating to November 3, 1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30861 funding for the Juvenile Justice program; An amendment (by Representative LONG) the coalition surrounding the IMF- and to insist that funds be appropriated for to prohibit the use of funds for the Marine housing package. the Endowment for Democracy, prohibiting peacekeeping force in Lebanon after March None of us will get everything we use of those funds with respect to political 1, 1984, unless the Congress adopts a con- parties: Nay. current resolution which contains the fol- want out of this package-neither the The previous question on the motion to lowing findings: House, the Senate, nor the administra- instruct conferees to insist on the House po- (1)that the President has defined a clear tion. But, we can-if the administra- sition on Senate amendment numbered 93: and realistic mission for the U.S. armed tion will leave the philosophical and Nay. forces stationed in Lebanon; (2) that the ideological debates for the Heritage Water Resources Research Act: H.R. 2911, President has established a set of policy Foundation-come up with a sane, ra- amended, to authorize an ongoing program goals in Lebanon that are achievable and tional, and responsible compromise of water resources research. Subsequently, has a clear agenda for reaching those goals; that will serve the public interest this passage was vacated and S. 684, a simi- and (3)that security arrangements for U.S. lar Senate-passed bill, was passed in lieu forces in the area have been upgraded to across a broad front. after being amended to contain the lan- the maximum extent possible: Yea. We on the House Banking Commit- guage of the House bill as passed. Agreed to A motion (by Representative EDWARDS, tee-majority and minority-have met amend the title of the Senate bill: In favor. Alabama) to rise and report the bill to the with our Senate counterparts since Oceans Policy Commission: H.R. 2853, House: Nay. September in an effort to reach just amended, to establish a National Oceans such a compromise. While he may not Policy Commission to make recommenda- agree on many points, Senator GARN tions to Congress and the President on a PERSONAL EXPLANATION comprehensive national oceans policy: In has cooperated and he, too, seeks a ra- favor. Mr. RITTER. Mr. Speaker, I was un- tional compromise that can send this Ocean Dumping Act amendments: H.R. avoidably absent at the time of the package to the President before the 1761, amended, to amend title I of the vote on H.R. 1234. Had I been here I end of the session. Both Senator GARN Marine Protection, Research, and Sanctuar- would have voted in strong support of and I have instructed our staffs to ies Act of 1972; and H.R. 1234. work on all the nitty-gritty details, the Wetlands Loan Act extension: H.R. 2395, paperwork, the identification of key amended, to extend the Wetlands Loan Act: Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous con- In favor. sent that my statement appear in the issues necessary in preparation for a RECORD. conference. We are in a position to TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1983 permanent The SPEAKER pro tempore. Is move and move quickly if we can reach Committee Funds: H. Res. 342, increasing a conference. the maximum amount which the Commit- there objection to the request of the tee on Post Office and Civil Service may al- gentleman from Pennsylvania? The hangup-I am sorry to report- locate for consultant services out of funds There was no objection. is the administration. It has not given currently available to such committee from the green light for Senate action on a the contingent fund of the House for inves- meaningful housing bill. tigations and studies: In favor. A CALL FOR RATIONAL RESPON- We have met with OMB Director H. Res. 347, providing amounts from the SIBLE ACTION ON IMF-HOUS- David Stockman. We hope to meet contingent fund of the House for continuing ING-EXIM-MDB LEGISLATION with him again very soon. To date, the expenses of investigations and studies by idea that the Federal Government standing and select committees of the The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under House from Janauary 3, 1984, through a previous order of the House, the gen- should have a role in the production March 31, 1984: In favor. tleman from Rhode Island (Mr. ST of low- and moderate-income housing Librarian of Congress Study: Con. Res. 59, GERMAIN) is recognized for 10 minutes. troubles Mr. Stockman. We are back to authorize the Librarian of Congress to Mr. ST GERMAIN. Mr. Speaker, to the old 1981 call for hard-nosed study the changing role of the book in the of legislation which philosophical "dig-in-the-heels" ap- future. four major pieces vitally affect the domestic economy proaches that ignore all economic and Agreed to amend the preamble: In favor. human needs involved in the issue. Highway Emergency Assistance: An and international financial stability amendment, to the Senate amendment to await final action in these closing This time the Stockman approach H.R. 3103, to increase the amount author- weeks of the first session. not only imperils the hopes of low- ized to be expended for emergency relief All four-funding for the Interna- and moderate-income families, but the under title 23, United States Code, in fiscal tional Monetary Fund, Export-Import stability of the international financial year 1983 from $100,000,000 to $250,000,000: Bank, the various multilateral devel- system. It is not a responsible position In favor. and housing-have in a critical hour for both the domes- Suspensions: Belle Fourche project: S. opment banks passed the House. tic and international economy. 448, amended, to authorize rehabilitation of the intransigence of the Belle Fourche irrigation project: In Key elements of the package have Mr. Speaker, favor. not passed the Senate, and it is becom- the administration on housing is par- War Powers Resolution: H.J. Res. 402, de- ing increasingly apparent that the ad- ticularly disappointing in the face of claring that the requirements of section ministration cannot decide whether it our efforts to pare down and compro- 4(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution wants to participate in the legislative mise the housing legislation. The com- became operative on October 25, 1983, when effort or whether its preference is for mittee orginally passed a bill calling United States Armed Forces were intro- ideological debate. for $24.3 billion in authorizations for duced into Grenada: In favor. programs. On the floor, we DOD Appropriations: H.R. 4185, making If the IMF-Housing-Exim-MDB leg- housing appropriations for the Department of De- islation is to succeed it must move as a amended the bill-on the Democrats' fense for the fiscal year ending September package. This is not a question of own initiative-to cut the funding to 30, 1984; holding any part of the package "hos- $15.6 billion to make certain that it An amendment that appropriates $110 tage" as some have suggested. Rather, was within the budget resolution. And million for procurement of additional weap- it is an absolute necessity if we are to we recognize that we must face an eq- ons and tracked combat vehicles for the gather and hold the votes for four uitable give and take when we ulti- Army: No. very difficult-and not overly popu- mately-and hopefully-sit down in An amendment that sought to delete the conference with the Senate. multi-year procurement funds for the B-1B lar-pieces of legislation. To ignore bomber: Aye. these political facts of life is to imperil We have leaned over backward on each of its housing-despite overwhelming needs TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 2, 1983 the entire package and parts. Each provides essential political in this area-in an effort to move this DOD Appropriations: H.R. 4185, making package, only to face an administra- appropriations for the Department of De- glue that holds the package together. fense for the fiscal year ending September Surely even the most imprecise and tion that says it is all for naught. 30, 1984. naive among this city's vote counters "Remove the heart and we'll let the On final passage: Nay. can understand the fragile nature of patient live," is the word from OMB. 30862 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 Such an attitude clearly throws knew the House would ask if the legis- 3 was difficult-to understate the chilling water on the hopes for Senate lation reached the floor. problems-to put together. Many action and any kind of conference that Throughout this process, we tried to Democrats, who otherwise would have could produce an acceptable result. explain to the administration lobbyists felt quite comfortable in opposing the Mr. Speaker, I commend my col- that the votes were not there and that IMF, went along with the President leagues on the Banking Committee the Reagan forces would have to push because they felt there were good rea- and throughout the House for their hard to maximize the Republican sup- sons to believe that we would see a patience and support during this long port-support that had not been there housing bill and that the administra- hard effort to produce an IMF-hous- for earlier IMF quota increases. We re- tion would not pull last-minute tricks ing package. For Democrats, who have ceived lots of bland assurances and to block it. Some have been very provided the overwhelming majority even more insistence that we leap for- straightforward with me. "No housing for the IMF bill, it has been a trying ward and force the bill to an early bill and you lose my vote on the IMF and frustrating year. vote. The administration's nose counts conference report." Let me assure you, having this ad- were anywhere from bad to atrocious I felt confident-as did my col- ministration as a partner in a high- misreadings. leagues-that we would have a housing wire legislative act leaves a whole lot The administration failed miserably bill for the IMF package and that we to be desired. to rally its own troops to either block could, thus,hold these votes. Last year, all of us assumed that an crippling amendments or to support At the time the IMF bill was up we IMF bill would be needed. But in the bill on final passage. In the end, were aware of the encouraging state- August 1982, the administration start- only 72 Republicans supported IMF, ments that had been made on the ed sending signals that we need not and the majority side had to work like floor of the Senate. the devil to provide the margin with problems. On June 21, 1983, the Senate had worry about such 145 Democrats voting for the Presi- On August 30, 1982, the Wall Street dent's package. When the dust called up S. 1338, the Senate Banking Journal reported: "The Reagan Ad- cleared, we had a six-vote margin Committee's proposed housing author- ministration, reluctant to enlarge the thanks to the Democrats. ization bill. Although the bill was IMF resources at all, is seeking to hold No sooner had we survived that pulled the same day, the Senate imme- any increase to a minimum." perils of Pauline experience than the diately thereafter proceeded to pass "U.S. Takes Dim View of a Major In- Republican Campaign Committee de- the HUD appropriation bill for fiscal crease in the IMF Quotas," a headline cided that the IMF bill was fertile 1984 and we remained encouraged over in the Washington Post read. "Reagan ground for partisan games. Suddenly, the prospects of the Senate passing a Rejects IMF Doubling of Quotas," we found key Democratic supporters housing authorization bill. Our opti- read another. of the IMF bill attacked in scurrilous mism was based on a colloquy which During 1982, the administration's Republican campaign releases for sup- took place June 21, 1983, on the position, enunciated through various porting the positions of the Republi- Senate floor between Senate majority columnists, interviews, and official can President on the issues. leader, Mr. BAKER, and Senator statements, ranged from opposition to Here were the Democrats under RIEGLE. Mr. RIEGLE asked the majority minimal increases. Finally isolated as attack as somehow aiding "Communist leader what his intentions were for the only reluctant nation among the dictatorships" by providing the Presi- further consideration of S. 1338. The Western industrial countries, the dent badly needed votes to keep the majority leader replied that it was his United States finally climbed aboard IMF bill intact. With all the difficulty intention to ask the Senate to com- at the annual IMF meeting in Toronto we had faced in putting that coalition plete action on S. 1338. This position in September. But, the message was together it was unbelieveable that the was reiterated by the majority leader clear-the Reagan administration was President and his administration in a response to Senator TOWER, chair- a reluctant, grudging, and foot-drag- would allow such outlandish back man of the Senate Banking Commit- ging supporter of additional funds for alley political tactics to rip it apart. tee's Subcommittee on Housing. the IMF. It took the President 21 long This message was not lost on the months to face up to the damage his O 1910 world or on the U.S. Congress. Hardly party had inflicted on his own bill and The SPEAKER pro tempore. The an auspicious beginning for what was to write a letter recognizing that fact gentleman will suspend. certain to be a tough, grinding legisla- to the Democrats. It was not a particu- The Chair will advise that under the tive battle to get any increase. larly gracious letter, but it did provide rules of the House reference to debate But, on November 15, 1982, the some surcease albeit not commensu- in the other body is not proper. Treasury Department-acting as if it rate with the viciousness of the origi- Mr. ST GERMAIN. Not even if it is had never had another position-came nal attack. obtrusely referred to? roaring to the Hill with an urgent Again, in the spirit of reaching a The SPEAKER pro tempore. The letter demanding post-haste that the compromise, I think most Democrats gentleman may proceed under that as- Congress hand over $8.4 billion of new are willing to accept the President's sumption. funding for the IMF. Most of us were letter and put this issue behind us. Mr. ST GERMAIN. Mr. Speaker, I just back in town after hearing our Again, the Democrats walk the extra merely would like to state that it has Republican opponents denounce us mile because the legislation is needed. been reiterated on many occasions on time after time in political commercial Now, we face the issue of a critically the floor of the Senate that indeed after political commercial as dastardly needed housing bill. We are faced with there would be consideration of a big spenders. It was an ironic message an administration that apparently will housing bill. from an administration that had told not even let the bill out of the Senate, Now, Mr. Speaker, I hope this com- the world that it wasn't happy over not even walking that first mile with mitment will be kept. I hope the Presi- new IMF quotas and had lectured the us. We have compromised already on dent will encourage that it be kept. I Congress ad nauseam on the sins of in- this bill. We know we face additional hope the President will consider the creasing spending for anything but compromises as we move toward a IMF package much more important weapons systems. final conference report. We are realis- than some of the ideological argu- Despite this, we scheduled early tic, but at the moment we face what ments that have come forth from the hearings for December and started amounts to an all-or-nothing attitude administration. what we knew would be a long and dif- from OMB on the substantive issues. The Democrats in this House have ficult process of exploring the issues As I have indicated, the six-vote done all they can do. They have done and trying to answer the questions we margin to pass the IMF bill on August a great deal more than their share. November 3,1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30863 My colleagues, and I say this not We already have had a glimpse of I got the liberals over here to put only to you but I hope it reaches down the deficit's dampening effects on eco- some restraint on indexation of enti- to the White House on Pennsylvania nomic recovery. Housing starts are tlements. And liberals can say to their Avenue, it is indeed time for the Presi- suppressed. Our balance of trade is so constituents, yes, I voted to make dent and his party to share the bur- lopsided that the trade deficit is esti- some reductions that I did not want to dens and the compromises. mated to be around $70 billion for this do on social spending, but in return I Let us walk hand in hand down this year, almost $100 billion next year. was able to force more restraint on the very difficult path; we have a goal to Do we want to see more? I do not conservative side for reductions on achieve. Working together I feel we think so. But by continuing to stick to military spending. can do so for the very, very best inter- our present course we are courting a The only way you could put together ests of the future of this country and financial and economic crisis. a package that enables people like this of the world. Fundamental budget therapy is to have the political cover they need needed. Not in 1985, not after the elec- to go back to their constituencies and tions but now. say those things is a blue chip, biparti- CREATING A BIPARTISAN COM- My colleague, Mr. WYLIE, and I see a san commission that presents a pack- MISSION TO REDUCE THE FED- lot of issues differently. But we unite age of that kind. It may not work, but ERAL BUDGET DEFICIT today on this overriding issue: Bring- I don'tsee any hope of anything work- ing about decisive reductions in our The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under ing unless we try this method. staggering budget deficits. The fact is So we all have an interest at stake. a previous order of the House, the gen- whether you are Democrat or a Re- tleman from Oregon (Mr.AuCOIN) is The Federal Government posted a publican, a conservative or a liberal, record budget deficit of $195.4 billion recognized for 60 minutes. the magnitude of the deficit is a pistol Mr. AuCOIN. Mr. Speaker, my col- for fiscal year 1983. Estimates for 1984 aimed at the temple of this Nation's and beyond are no cause for optimism. league from Ohio (Mr. WYLIE) and I present and future economy. That is have taken this time to call for the of political philos- The other day, Alice Rivlin, former the issue regardless Director of the Congressional Budget passage of our resolution creating a bi- ophy and regardless of political party. partisan commission to reduce the Our problem today is that we have Office, warned that those who think Federal budget deficit. both sides of the political spectrum deficits will begin to shrink as a recov- Mr. Speaker, because of our project- subordinating their concern over the ering economy boosts incomes and ed $200 billion deficits, the National deficit to their own ideological agen- profits are deluding themselves. Association of Home Builders desig- das. People on the conservative end of "Some recession-related things will nated November 2, as D-Day-Deficit the spectrum have said the deficit is get better," she told an economic semi- Day-to stress the need for bipartisan important, but not as important as nar, "but defense and other kinds of action on the budget deficit. They sup- protecting tax cuts and protecting the spending will keep going up for the port the AuCoin-Wylie Budget Com- defense buildup-that those two next several years," with no prospect mission Resolution. things come first, and then they will that deficits will fall below the $200 And for good reason. As long as the worry about the deficit later. People billion range in the foreseeable future. U.S. Treasury has to spend at least on the liberal end of the spectrum Martin Feldstein, Chairman of the $400 million every working day to fi- have said the deficit problem is impor- President's Council of Economic Ad- nance the deficit, it will do so by by tant to solve, but it is not as important visers, recently told members of the robbing business and interest-sensitive as protecting entitlements, and treat- Budget Committee that "if we assume sectors of our economy of credit at af- ing that as a sacred cow, and not that there will be no action on the fordable rates and that is bound to kill making any real dent in social spend- part of Congress to reduce that deficit, a strong economic recovery. ing. then we see budget deficits of about Credit-sensitive industries under- I think both of those attitudes are a $200 billion a year, year after year, out stand only too well the connection be- very serious mistake, because both until the end of the decade." tween excessive Federal borrowing and sides have enough political muscle to There are those who believe that a high interest rates. Deficit spending keep the other from inflicting their strong recovery will, by itself, reduce has driven up interest rates, which will on the other side. So what do you the huge projected deficits. The trou- have in turn devastated the automo- have? You have paralysis. You have ble with that reasoning is that only a bile industry, the housing industry, the fix in, so that neither side will small part of the deficit is cyclical in the wood products industry, and other budge, neither side will give, and both nature and related to the recession. credit-sensitive businesses. sides will hope that they can get The larger part is structural. If we do nothing on this problem, if through the 1984 election without The Congressional Budget Office we fail to act, the Congressional doing anything real about solving the notes that the deficit will continue to Budget Office estimates that a stag- problem. grow even under favorable economic gering $1.3 trillion will be added to the CHALMERS WYLIE and I differ on a conditions because we are plagued by deficit over the next 5 years. That variety of different issues, but we these structural deficits-deficits that amounts to a national debt of over $3 agree that we cannot wait until after will not be wiped off the books by an trillion, and interest payments of the 1984 elections for this country to improving economy. almost $150 billion. come to grips with its deficit crisis, be- If we were only to cut nondefense We can repeal lots of laws, Mr. cause I think that will be much too discretionary spending, the magnitude Speaker, but we cannot repeal basic late. We need, instead, some mecha- of these deficits would require shut- economic law. If Government borrow- nism so that both sides, which have ting down every function of the Feder- ing continues to sponge up more than very intense political views, can be pre- al Government with the exception of half the total savings pool in this sented with a package that has some the Social Security Administration. country, only one thing can happen- sacrifice represented on both sides- And, we would still face a deficit of $20 the price of money will move beyond sacrifice across the board, the certain- to $30 billion. Approximately 75 per- the reach of the average citizen. Inter- ty of equality of sacrifice so that they cent of President Reagan's fiscal year est rates will rise and the private can go back to their respective con- 1984 budget is mandatory under exist- sector will be crowded out. That stituencies, and those on the conserva- ing law, defense included. Less than 30 means homebuyers, that means build- tive end of the scale can say, yes, I percent of the budget falls under the ers, that means consumers, that means voted to perhaps restrain the rate of category of discretionary spending. small business owners, and that means indexing of the tax cut, which I did Paul McCracken, :professor of eco- unemployment. not want to do, but in order to do that nomics at the University of Michigan 30864 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 put it this way, "The Nation cannot That is why I have introduced a the deficit and the need for action. I afford to have the White House and joint resolution with my colleague, Mr. am hopeful that our Commission con- the Congress crouching behind ram- WYLIE and over 40 others to establish cept, as it gains momentum in the parts glaring at each other. Waiting a National Bipartisan Commission to House and at the grass roots level, can until 1985 to solve the budget problem reduce the deficit. act as a catalyst for substantial reduc- is a very high-risk strategy." Under the resolution, a 15-member tions in Federal spending. He is right. This is a problem that Commission appointed by the Presi- Some have said that steps of this knows no political bounds. It does not dent, the Speaker of the House and kind are pie in the sky or wishful matter whether your world revolves the Senate Majority Leader would be thinking. I just look at the alternative around capital formation or whether directed to review fiscal and monetary which is to delay and allow the red ink it revolves around providing social policy, analyze all options which could to mount. services to help the needy. Neither of result in deficit reductions, and pro- I am more willing than ever to work those things will happen if budget vide recommendations within 90 days with people of all perspectives to say deficits of $200 billion are allowed to to the President and Congress on defi- let us get our financial house in order continue. You cannot help your fellow cit reduction alternatives. and get back to the business of sus- man and you cannot form capital to Earlier this year, a similar Commis- tained economic growth. We simply generate economic activity if service sion created by the President provided must act now, and if you agree, I com- on the debt becomes the No. 1 or No. 2 the breakthrough for bipartisan con- mend your attention to House Joint item in the budget. gressional action on social security. Resolution 382 to create a deficit re- We have got to hold the line on dis- I believe the same approach is worth duction commission. cretionary domestic spending. This is a trying on controlling runaway deficits. category of the budget that has taken A National Commission on Federal O 1920 would major cuts already over the last sever- Budget Deficit Reductions Mr. WYLIE. Mr. Speaker, will the al years; now is not the time to let out bring respected, qualified people from our belts and increase programs. both parties together-people in and gentleman yield? On entitlements we need restraint. out of government, including credit- Mr. AuCOIN. I would be pleased to Including a reduction in indexing. We sensitive industries-to forge a pack- yield to my good friend and colleague have had a 450-percent increase in age of compromises aimed at breaking from Ohio (Mr.WYLIE). automatic entitlement spending in the the legislative impasse that is keeping Mr. WYLIE. I thank the gentleman last decade. Congress and the administration from for yielding. Another element that has to be con- making substantial reductions in the I want to associate myself with the sidered is the military budget. We can deficit. remarks of my very good Democratic make careful cuts in this area without The proposal has won the support of friend. He and I have come up with in any way hurting this country's mili- the National Association of Home what we believe is the best and maybe tary muscle. If we do not, we threaten Builders who agree that this kind of the only way to resolve this impasse. our national security because our eco- mechanism could help resolve the ide- While I am saying it, I want to nomic base will be less secure and less ological differences on both sides of thank the gentleman from Oregon strong. the aisle which prevent a compromise (Mr. AUCoIN) for his initiative and And, finally, we must look at addi- package from emerging. leadership on this very serious and tional revenues in the context of a Even former President Gerald Ford most important problem. total package to help close the deficit agrees. Today, in the Washington On October 6, we introduced House gap. Post, Mr. Ford called for the appoint- Joint Resolution 382, calling for the But how do you legislate something ment of a Bipartisan Commission creation of a National Commission of like that when each one of those items which could draw up a set of workable Federal Budget Deficit Reductions. is someone's sacred cow. recommendations. The Commission would consist of 15 Now, we all have individual check- A Commission of the kind Mr. members, 5 appointed by the Presi- lists on what ought to be spent and WYLIE and I have proposed could dent, 5 by the Senate majority leader, what ought not to be spent. My con- produce a result before the next and 5 by the Speaker of the House. servative colleagues suggest that we budget cycle. The Commission must report its rec- need only to cut nondefense discre- Some would say that this approach ommendations to the President and tionary spending further to bring the circumvents the committee system and Congress within 90 days of enactment budget into balance. My liberal col- the budget process. of the resolution, but not later than leagues, on the other hand, similarly I would answer, first of all, that this February 15, 1984. refuse to consider changes in entitle- simply would not be the case. Any set Mr. Speaker, $200 billion-plus Feder- ment programs which will be neces- of legislative recommendations pro- al deficits, representing 5 to 6 percent sary to provide the substantial savings posed by such a Commission would of GNP over the next few years are needed to reduce the deficit. come before the Congress and be re- taking the U.S. economy into unchart- The national columnist David ferred to the appropriate committees. ered waters. Most financial analysts, Broder stated that if we faced an The Congress would still have the op- the Congress, the administration, and international crisis with the potential portunity to work its will. the general public are frightened by to inflict as much damage on the Second, I would say that the prob- the risks such unprecedented deficits United States as does $200 billion of lem we face is extraordinary in nature. pose-crowding out in priviate credit red ink, there would be an immediate, Its solution requires that extraordi- markets, inflation, and high interest effective, bipartisan response. nary steps be taken. rates. Unfortunately, an individual voting The need to stop the flow of deficit The stock markets and bond markets record alone cannot crack the sky- dollars is so urgent that it may be the are certainly trying to give us a mes- high deficits, and we have seen no ade- only way to deal with entitlements, sage. They have been struggling for 5 quate response from either party that tax loopholes and excessive military months now because of the psycholog- could achieve a consensus in Congress spending all at once-so that there will ical, it not real, damage such deficits and the administration. And so the be enough equality of sacrifice to get do. The resulting high interest rates danger grows. this crisis solved. have adverse effects on such key sec- So to be quite frank, Mr. Speaker, I feel this is the most difficult task tors of the economy as housing, busi- what we have on our hands is a state facing Congress, and the most impor- ness investment, consumer durables, of paralysis. A legislative gridlock that tant. Deficit Day is but one expression farming, and several other credit-sen- is preventing any action on the deficit. of the public's degree of concern about sitive areas. November 3,1983 CC)NGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30865 It is the outyear deficits that are of of the economy. It would assess how for yielding to me, and I want to join greatest concern. The 1983 deficit, much Government we really want or both the gentleman from Oregon and which was mostly recession induced, can afford, examine built-in devices to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr.WYLIE) came in $15 billion less than the mid- counter congressional spending bias, in supporting the bipartisan resolution year forecast. That was good news. and analyze options for bringing defi- to attempt to resolve our rather tre- And perhaps economic growth will cits down. One principle that we mendous deficit problems. Our recov- bring the 1984 deficit several billion should insist on is that there should ery is so very fragile, and we note that dollars below the $170-$180 billion be at least $1 of spending cuts for each it will also be short lived unless inter- forecast. I hope so. But when we get dollar of tax increases. est rates come down. The only way into fiscal years 1985, 1986, and 1987 it The Commission can serve as a polit- that interest rates are going to come is another matter. The prospect of ical heat shield and can develop down is if there is some reduction in huge $200 billion-plus deficits in those budget recommendations in a de- the crowding out of the demand for outyears, over 5 percent of GNP, tached, objective way. A polarized money. The Federal budget is certain- would absorb most of our net national Congress finds it very difficult to deal ly one of the biggest demands on cap- saving, ignite inflation, and bring back with taxing and spending issues in a ital. So we must have a reduction of sky-high interest rates, and then our preelection year. that deficit. U.S. economy and the world economies The Constitution and the budget I want to commend my colleagues would suffer, process would not be violated. Con- for supporting this commission and For Congress to let this legislative gress would still retain final authority; suggest that during the debate tonight year pass without making a convincing it can accept or reject the Commis- and in the future that we move toward start toward controlling deficits would sion's recommendations. If the Com- reducing that deficit and not blame be a disaster for the economy. But mission does a good job, we could have the deficit on one party or the other. Congress becomes mesmerized in an another success story like the Social This is bipartisan. The Democrats election year. Members on both sides Security Commission where Congress tend to blame the Republicans be- of the aisle have individual checklists approved the Commission's recommen- cause the Republicans spend all of the on what ought to be spent and what dations, embraced by both the Presi- money ought to be reduced. The problem is on defense and waste money on dent and the Speaker, with very few defense, and the Republicans tend to there is no legislative majority behind changes. I hope that is the outcome. any one of those lists. The challenge blame the Democrats for social spend- I think a deficit reduction commis- ing and social security, and that kind we face is to build a bipartisan consen- sion is worth a try. There is a lot of sus that can produce a legislative of spending. The fact is, I think it may support for the idea. Mr. AUCOIN and take a little bit of a hard look all package that would convince Congress I have 36 cosponsors of House Joint and the President to give ground on Resolution 382 thus far from both across the budget in terms of spending and also in terms of taxation to close all of the sacred cows-entitlements, sides of the political aisle. Federal Re- tax breaks, weapons systems. serve Chairman Volcker told the Joint some of the loopholes without increas- The Commission we recommend Economic Committee, in an October ing taxes for the average person but would be similar to the Presidential 20 hearing, that such a commission by closing loopholes that are available commission formed to break the dead- could play a useful, catalytic role in to those who really do not need them. lock on social security reform, the bi- solving some of our difficult structural One of the bills that I find quite in- partisan National Commission on Fed- deficit problems. Some trade groups, teresting is H.R. 3790, introduced by eral Budget Deficit Reductions would such as the National Association of the chairman of our Budget Commit- bring together respected, qualified Homebuilders, support the idea, and I tee, the gentleman from Oklahoma people from both parties-people in am sure others will too when they (Mr.JONES), calling for 2 percent re- and out of Government, including take a look at it. duction on the spending side below the credit-sensitive industries, to forge a I invite my colleagues to examine CPI for those beneficiaries of Federal bipartisan package of compromises to House Joint Resolution 382. I think it tax payments and a reduction of 2 per- reduce our deficits. is the answer to a difficult political cent toward future tax reductions, on Mr. Speaker, I think Congressman and economic problem. that side. I think maybe that would AUCOIN and I have come up with an Mr. AuCOIN. Mr. Speaker, I want to help bring, that kind of focus would idea which deserves support. As Mr. say to the gentleman from Ohio, who bring, both parties together, where AUCOIN has said we now have over 40 is the ranking Republican on the the American people really want us, cosponsors, both Republican and Dem- House Banking Committee, whom I and that is down the mainstream look- ocrat. Federal Reserve Board Chair- served with for 6 years on that com- ing at reducing the deficit by maybe a man Paul Volcker told the Joint Eco- mittee and teamed up with on a little bit less spending, a little bit less nomic Committee the other day, on number of initiatives, how pleased I of a tax reduction, and a whole lot October 20, that such a commission am to work with him on this issue. smaller deficit. I think we can achieve could play a useful catalytic role in that without inflicting pain on the solving some of our difficult structural O 1930 poor, without reducing our vital na- deficit problems. The gentleman does excellent work, tional defense, and without increasing I noticed in the Washington Post as all Members know. And I am taxes in a burdensome fashion; I hon- only today that former President pleased, also, that he mentioned the estly believe we can do that. And what Gerald Ford also endorsed the ideas. support for the idea that former Presi- we have to do is give up the idea that But we are getting good support. dent Ford announced, news which was it has to be all one way, and join and The National Homebuilders Associa- revealed on the pages of the newspa- work together in a modest reduction tion, a very interest-sensitive industry, pers this morning. I think it does dem- of our expectations in terms of what has pledged $250,000, they announced onstrate that there is a bipartisan sup- the Federal Government can do and in a press conference which we held port in getting this problem under ought to pay for and a reduction of with them yesterday, in an effort to control. that continuing indexation of tax cuts gain public support for this idea. At this time, Mr. Chairman, with in the future. Mr. Speaker, the Commission would thanks to the gentleman from Ohio I want to thank the gentleman for review fiscal and monetary policy ef- for the leadership he has shown, I calling the attention of all of the fects on structural Federal budget yield to my colleague, the gentleman Members of Congress to this. deficits and the impact which these from California (Mr.PATTERSON). Mr. Speaker, one of the most impor- deficits have on employment, capital Mr. PATTERSON. I thank my col- tant policies we must follow to achieve formation, and the vigor and viability league, the gentleman from Oregon, and sustain economic recovery is a re- 30866 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 duction in the Federal budget deficit. deficit is a result of 40 years of Demo- omy. I appreciate the gentleman's re- Last week, when the Department of cratic spending. Actually, with the ex- marks. the Treasury officially released the ception of 3 years out of the last 40, Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentle- budget totals for the fiscal year ending Congress has spent less than request- man from West Virginia (Mr.WISE). September 30, 1983, the statement ed by the President. The American Mr. WISE. Mr. Chairman, I greatly showed a budget deficit of $195.4 bil- public should be made aware that it appreciate the gentleman yielding and lion. This deficit figure is staggering has been the administration, not Con- the opportunity to participate in this and intolerable. It constitutes a real gress, who has ardently sought the ex- special order, because I also strongly threat to our economic future. Unless cessive defense increases and tax re- support the National Association of significant budget reductions are made ductions to benefit the wealthy which Home-Builders' campaign to focus con- soon, the deficit will undermine any have contributed substantially to our gressional attention on the issue of prospect for a real and lasting econom- current and projected budget deficits. Federal deficits. Of course, I am also ic recovery. One new approach that I am sup- supporting House Joint Resolution 382 THE IMPACT OF BUDGET DEFICITS ON THE porting to directly reduce the deficit is introduced by Representative AUCoIN ECONOMY H.R. 3790, the 2 percent CPI reduction and WYLIE to establish that bipartisan The stability of our Nation's econo- bill. Yes, H.R. 3790, for all practical National Commission on Federal Defi- my is severely affected by huge budget purposes will affect every segment of cit Reductions. deficits. Every year, the Federal Gov- our society. We face a critical econom- I just cannot see how, in any kind of ernment continues to take away an ex- ic situation in the United States which serious vein, the public or the Con- tremely large share of the economy's requires tough decisions and prudent gress can accept $200 billion deficits savings, money which would normally action. I believe our fellow Americans year in and year out. be available for lending and invest- are demanding a reduction in the defi- You have to look at some of these ment in the United States. Govern- cit, and they are willing to support re- figures to really appreciate the magni- ment borrowing from private savings sponsible measures which strive to ac- tude of what we are talking about. has also created upward pressure on complish this essential goal. The re- The deficit, for instance, is estimated interest rates, further inhibiting in- duction of the deficit is a prerequisite to be $150 billion, an unprecedented vestment and development opportuni- to a healthy economy. 3.5 percent of the gross national prod- ties across the country. Mr. SPEAKER, I am not exonerat- uct, by 1986, 7 times the 1981 level as a It is clear to me that President ing Congress from its responsibility to percent of GNP, 12 times higher than Reagan is incorrect in interpreting the its level during the 1960's and 1970's. deficits, high in- reduce the current deficit. Both sides relationship between to the a long-term effect are terest rates, and the economy. The of the aisle have contributed What kind of facts appear to support former Presi- problem. The Democrats tend to over- we looking at? Well, I certainly have dent Ford and Martin Feldstein, spend on social security programs and seen this in my State of West Virginia Chairman of the President's Council the Republicans too much on defense where capital is hard to come by. We of Economic Advisers. Both President security programs and both vote to desperately need to build some hous- Ford and Mr. Feldstein strongly advise reduce taxes without cutting spending. ing, and we are not able to. We need to that budget deficits and high interest But I am asking that my colleagues do some capital expansion, and we are rates are logically and directly related. and the present administration recog- not able to do that. One reason, of Internationally, higher interest rates nize the seriousness of the deficit course, look at the kind of borrowing have the effect of boosting the Ameri- crisis and the disastrous consequences pool we are getting into. The deficit can trade deficit because they have it will have on the economic stability will soon be absorbing 75 percent to 85 caused the exchange value of the and growth of our Nation. It is time percent of the net savings pool. Where dollar to be higher than other coun- for a new consensus to force a fair, but is the money going to come from? The tries. This causes American exports to fiscally responsible approach to Feder- result, of course, is going to be in- become more expensive and foreign al spending. Let us face the unpleas- creased crowding out. imports cheaper. Clearly, unless action ant truth which is before us. When I was in the State legislature, is taken soon to reduce the deficit, the I want to commend my colleagues, I remember my first couple of days, result may mean economic disaster, Mr. AUCoIN and Mr. WYLIE, for and I was really impressed with every- both at home and abroad. making a bipartisan effort to reduce one saying, "Well, we are going to cut President Reagan has recently ac- the current deficit by introducing leg- the problems in our own State cused Members of Congress of being islation to create a national commis- budget." I soon realized, after a ses- the big spenders responsible for our sion to study deficit reduction alterna- sion in the State legislature, that we current deficit situation, claiming Con- tives. I believe this is a positive step really did not need a balanced budget gress is sabotaging the administra- toward resolving the budget crisis. It is amendment but what we needed was a tion's efforts to achieve a balanced time we put aside our partisan differ- balanced rhetoric amendment in budget. The truth of the matter, how- ences and begin working together to which if you said you were going to ever, is that the Reagan administra- achieve a balanced Federal budget. cut a program, then you had to cut it, tion has never yet submitted a bal- Mr. AuCOIN. I appreciate the re- or if you said you wanted to increase anced budget to Congress. In March of marks of the gentleman from Califor- spending for a program, then you have 1981, the administration submitted a nia, as usual. The gentleman also to go and cut something somewhere budget for the fiscal year 1982 with a serves on the Banking Committee. It else. It seemed to me that it got to be projected deficit of $45.0 billion and has been a pleasure for me to work very, very easy to be, on one side, for for the fiscal 1983 budget, a deficit of with him on banking issues, as well as this program and that program be- $91.5 billion. Last January, the admin- on housing issues. The gentleman and cause it would definitely help certain istration submitted a budget for fiscal I teamed up on an Emergency Housing groups and they were needy and year 1984 with a recordbreaking defi- Production Act 1 or 2 years ago, and I worthwhile programs, but, on the cit of $188.8 billion. think we both understand, in that one other side, to be totally against tax These deficits, which far exceed part of the economy, what high inter- cuts. And that is a great way to have those ever proposed by any previous ests rates driven by deficits do to that it, to be against all tax cuts and be for President or Congress, are based on sector of the economy. Of course, that all spending programs. Unfortunately, the budget requests of President is not the only sector. We can name we cannot do that. I did support the Reagan, and are not the result of sabo- automobiles, we can name the export pay-as-you-go proposal-I think it is tage on Capitol Hill. The President community, the small business sector, worthwhile-where you freeze spend- would like the public to believe the a whole variety of sections of the econ- ing at last year's level and you say November 3,1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30867 that any kind of increase in a program much potential to inflict the kind of nored the temptation during the has to be met with a tax increase or a damage that $200 billion deficits Carter years to spend more money-as spending decrease, and you can step would inflict on the United States, President Ford had done during the right up in front of the public bar and there would be no doubt that both po- short term of his Presidency-we say that is what we are going to do. litical parties would stand shoulder to would not have subjected our people I hope that this conference does shoulder immediately and produce an to the hardship, the misery, and the come about, this Summit Commission, answer, produce a solution. despondancy they endured. National Commission, whatever we * Mr. DAUB. Mr. Speaker, in recent As elected Members of Congress, we call it, because I hope that it is a way weeks we have heard a great deal have a responsibility to our constitu- that we can balance that rhetoric and about deficits and their cause. The ents to do what is right-not just what choices- so that a lot of those hard goal appears to fix the blame for these is popular. And the right thing to do and there are going to be some hard deficits on one party or another as we today is to bring these deficits under ones made, and there is going to be a enter 1984. I do not think the Ameri- control lot of struggling going on-a lot of can people are going to be satisfied so that we can keep umem- these hard choices can be made, and with who is or is not to blame. What ployment down, keep our people em- out of it we can have a package which they want is someone to take the re- ployed, and keep our economy growing we may not be totally happy with but sponsibility for doing something about so that the next generation will enjoy we can also feel with some pride that it. the prosperity that we have today.e everyone has addressed the issue. Each Member of this House knows * Mr. ALBOSTA. Mr. Speaker, an un- I do not need to say this to the gen- what the real problem is. We have precedented Federal deficit of $195.4 tleman from Oregon (Mr. AUCoIN), committed this Government to ex- billion is looming over this Nation and but we simply cannot continue on as penditures-a standard of living if you could seriously threaten to tear apart we are. The deficit, while it is easy to will-that it cannot afford. The prob- the very fabric of our economic and slide by maybe this year, maybe the lem is that simple. The solution to the political life if it is not dealt with im- next year, it is going to be something problem is not simple and that is what mediately. that is going to come back increasingly the American people want more than As I travel through the 10th Con- to bite us, and we have to deal with it. rhetoric. gressional District of Michigan, the I think the public demands we deal There are two answers to the prob- question I am asked most often from with it. lem. You can increase taxes to make the farmers in St. Charles and Evart I greatly appreciate the efforts of up the shortfall or you can reduce and small business people in Midland the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. spending. Neither one of these is po- and Traverse City is, "Can we sustain AUCoIN) and the gentleman from litically popular and either one will long-term economic growth with the Ohio (Mr. WYLIE) in focusing atten- result in short-term economic effects large Federal budget deficits hanging tion on this. that will be adverse for some. over our heads?" Mr. AuCOIN. I appreciate the gen- You do not need to be a disciple of Clearly, we can not. We need to face tleman's comments, and I think they supply-side economics to recognize this deficit crisis head-on by analyzing are directly to the point. that higher taxes are going to be a and studying ways to control these The gentleman commented about drag on this economy. For every dollar crisis-producing deficits in a bipartisan the amount of a savings pool that that we extract from the working per- way. That is why I support the joint would be sponged up and absorbed by son's pocket we are as well removing resolution establishing a bipartisan this massive amount of Government one that might be spent on cars, commission composed of liberals, con- borrowing. Obviously, that is the case. homes, or other purchases that fuel servatives, and moderates. A commis- And if this country is ever going to this economy. If people cannot afford sion of this sort would allow for a con- reindustrialize, if it is ever going to to make these purchases, or they are sensus to be reached on how best to make the important investments that discouraged from savings, it is not only deal with the overwhelming deficits it has got to make in order to be fully the affluent who are affected but the now facing this country. competitive in an increasing interna- people who do marginal work are Unless all of us understand and ad- tional economy, then I think we have harmed. They are pushed from the dress this crisis now in a bipartisan to pay heed to the needs for that pri- payroll to the welfare system and set fashion, unless the country can reach vate investment, which means to get far back in their efforts to become an equitable solution to the problem the Government out of the massive productive and self-supporting citi- of high deficits, we face unending po- amount of Government that it would zens. litical debate and a sputtering, unpro- otherwise have to do. Reduced spending is the key, and I many in Wash- ductive economy. Mr. Chairman, I hope very much do not think there are I urge immediate consideration that Members will see that there are ington-and I know there are not of Res- only two ways to deal with this crisis. many in the rest of the country-who this joint resolution, House Joint One is to go about it the way we are do not believe that we could make siza- olution 382.e doing now, which is for one side or the ble reductions in the size of the Feder- * Mr. REGULA. Mr. Speaker, these other to say, "we are going to fight to al Government. past months have been marked by sig- reduce the deficit, but we are only If these reductions were made, there nificant improvements in our econo- going to do it my way." would be many hardships created. my. The September figure for the When each side says that, since their Make no mistake about that.But what index of leading indicators shows con- own separate ways are anathema to we would be sacrificing in the short- tinued economic growth. The 0.9-per- the other side, it is a guarantee for pa- term would be more than made up in cent increase for the month was the ralysis, that nothing will be done. long-term benefits. What social aim 13th consecutive rise and the largest What we need to say is: "Look, I was so important that it could not since June's 1.8-percent hike. August's cannot have it my way completely, nei- have been foregone in the seventies in 0.3 percent figure appears to be little ther side can. But for the good of the order to prevent the recession we just more than a temporary slump in the country, the result has to be experienced. That recession was the upsurge. Third quarter productivity achieved." product over overspending that scored a 5-percent annual growth rate. Columnist David Broder in a column pushed interest rates up and destroyed Machine tool orders for September he wrote about a month ago said it jobs. That recession was as painful an were 80 percent higher than last very well. He said that if a foreign economic experience as this Nation year's level and 14 percent above Au- power represented a threat to the has faced since the Depression. And gust's pace. Inflation, as measured by United States as serious and with as the simple fact is that if we had ig- the GNP deflator, continued at a mod- 30868 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3, 1983 erate 3.4-percent pace. So why are we 90 days a menu of deficit reduction al- * Mrs. JOHNSON. Mr. Speaker, earli- here discussing budget deficits? ternatives. er this year Congress and the Nation Economists agree upon few things. So far, Mr. Speaker, Congress has turned its attention toward impending But most will tell you that an econom- demonstrated little willingness to con- bankruptcy in the social security ic recovery take place in stages. Each front the problem of high deficits. In system, a growing crisis characterized phase is comprised of different ele- my mind, the creation of a commission by projected revenue shortfalls of $200 ments and forces. Any prolonged re- offers us a sensible, bipartisan ap- billion over the next 7 years and the covery requires an efficient and proach to solving this issue once and threat of uncertain retirement for mil- smooth transition between these for all. It is probably the only way we lions of Americans. Amid this crisis at- phases. can come up with the necessary blend mosphere, Congress found itself Growth for the first two quarters of of spending cuts and tax increases unable to act, paralyzed by the com- 1983 has been fueled by consumption needed to bring about deficit reduc- plexity of the issue and a multitude of expenditures, particularly in the area tions. political forces. of consumer durables. Coupled with The cost of inaction on the deficit However, through the diligence and immense Government purchases of issue might well be staggering; indeed, expertise of the National Commission goods and services, these two factors unless Congress moves soon to resolve on Social Security Reform, Congress have pulled America from out of the this problem, Mr. Speaker, you and I met one of the most difficult Govern- recession. But America has risen know the real losers will be the Ameri- ment challenges of the decade and de- beyond this initial stage into a period can people.e livered to the American people a of growth and expansion. Consump- e Mr. LEWIS of Florida. Mr. Speaker, meaningful and balanced social securi- tion and Government spending must our Nation has no greater challenge, ty reform package. make room for growing capital invest- none so important at home or abroad, Today, Mr. Speaker, Congress and ments by business. Otherwise the re- than to reduce soaring Federal budget the Nation are again turning their at- covery will stall. Business will simply deficits that threaten our economy tention to an impending bankruptcy- be unable to obtain the needed capital those of the world. awesome and uncontrollable budget for restoring inventories and expand- and ing their capital structure. The $210 billion deficit hangs like an deficits. Today's dilemma is a deepen- Our Nation has been blessed with an albatross on the back of the Federal ing crisis, one characterized by pro- abundance of raw materials, techno- Government. It is like a steel wall jected Federal revenue shortfalls of logical skill, and individual enterprise. across a well-paved road to recovery. nearly $800 billion project over the Only when private industry is permit- Congress has been unwilling and next 4 years, and the possibility of ted to exercise these talents, in an unable to take the bull by the horns higher interest rates and an uncertain open credit market, can we expect a and do anything about the problem. I economic recovery, threatening our prolonged upsurge. am extremely fearful of the prospect future. In this crisis, Congress again Budget deficits are a challenge to that no action will be taken in these finds itself unable to act, paralyzed as the American ideal that every person chambers to do anything about the before by the complexity of the issue is entitled to the opportunity of per- deficit for the next year and a half. and a multitude of political forces. sonal betterment and an acceptable We have seen some encouraging Mr. Speaker, through the diligence standard of living. Massive Govern- signs and developments in recent and expertise of a bipartisan Commis- ment borrowing will discourage pri- months that we are undergoing a long sion on Federal Budget Deficit Reduc- vate investment and expansion. This range economic recovery, but this very tions, as my colleagues Mr. AUCoIN translates into fewer jobs and opportu- recovery is diverting our attention and and Mr. WYLIE have proposed in nities for our constituents. our energies from the very real prob- House Joint Resolution 382, we may Prosperity can come through the lem of Federal deficits. be able to establish a consensus for re- growing capital structure of private in- Industrial output is up, the real ducing future budget deficits. I am dustry. The alternative is continued gross national product has grown, un- pleased to be a cosponsor of this reso- massive Government borrowing which employment has declined nationally lution, and hope that my colleagues will eventually result in a cyclical but still remains static in some areas, will also lend their support to this downturn back into recession. The and productivity has flourished. But effort. choice is ours.e while it appears America is on the * Mr. DICKS. Mr. Speaker, the prob- * Mr. O'BRIEN. Mr. Speaker, it may move again, we see distressing signals lem of what to do about growing Fed- sound incredible, but the Federal Gov- that all is not good: Residential con- eral deficits is not a new one. And yet ernment ran a record $195.3 billion struction and sales are expected to there is no clear mandate about how budget deficit in fiscal year 1983, up taper off, the trade deficit is widening, to proceed against the threat. an alarming 76 percent from the previ- and prime lending rates have in- Depending on your point of view, or ous record of $110 billion set last year. creased. perhaps on what political columnist If we allow this disturbing trend to Reducing and controlling the Feder- you may read, the blame for this hem- continue, the economic recovery now al deficit is a serious and complex task, orrhaging Federal budget deficit be- underway in this country may be seri- but nobody every told us this job longs with the Congress, President ously jeapordized. The time for action would be easy. We cannot stand by Reagan, the Federal Reserve Board, on cutting the deficit is now-before it and do nothing when we hear the OMB, or even President Carter. But is too late. highest level economic experts and ad- the worsening situation-the CBO So that high deficits do not get the visers say that $200-billion-a-year defi- budget estimates show $100 billion better of us, I have joined with a cits will be a way of life in this country deficits for years to come-now de- number of my colleagues-on both for at least the next decade. mands that all parties put aside their sides of the aisle-in calling for the I am proud and honored to join my differences, and work together to find creation of a bipartisan National Com- colleagues on both sides of the aisle solutions to the problem. mission on Federal Budget Reduc- and the National Association of Home It strikes me that if deficits on the tions. With an election year looming Builders for this special order on D- order of $200 billion had occurred on the horizon, the establishment of Day. Lowering and controlling the def- during Jimmy Carter's Presidency, the such a commission makes good sense. icit must be a nonpartisan task. The American people would have stormed It would review all aspects of our fiscal economic future of this country and the White House and strung him up in and monetary policy, examine the its great people demand a joint resolve Lafayette Park. Yet President Reagan, range of options that could yield defi- from this Congress to end this growing who campaigned for office on a plat- cit reductions, and recommend within danger.e form of fiscal responsibility, still gets November 3,1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30869 fairly high marks, particularly from ticles taken together make that clear. prevent a consensus from ei..erging the business community, for his han- But the game is getting more and from Congress on this issue. dling of the economy. I am at a loss to more dangerous for our Nation. For the first time in a long time, explain that paradox. Our President can be both a pragma- economists from all sides of the philo- What has President Reagan done to tist and a statesman. A time like this sophical spectrum-from your central deserve this favorable treatment? calls for both talents. It is time for a planner economist to your free market He has taken us from a budget defi- statement from the White House in economist-are voicing the same criti- cit of $46 billion at the close of the support of a balanced approach to the cism and the same set of recommenda- Carter administration to our current budget questions-an approach which tions to deal with what they perceive deficit of $200 billion; includes both spending cuts and reve- to be the most pressing problem facing He has continually advocated a rapid nue increases. our economy in the years ahead, that increase in defense expenditures, While I have reservations about the of uncontrolled Federal budget defi- while reducing overall revenues; Senate's action in holding up the debt cits, deficits which if left unabated are He has championed the elimination ceiling bill, I believe they have gotten sure to stifle what could otherwise be or reduction of many of the programs the President's attention. Perhaps this a long and sustained recovery from which support those Americans who sort of "brinksmanship" is what is re- our past economic woes. And it is time are unable to help themselves; and quired to get the President to take se- those in Government listened to their He has asked this Congress to reduce rious action on the deficit. Maybe the advice. benefits to the elderly, veterans, and President is out of touch with the What makes this problem so press- Federal retirees-benefits which those American people's sense of urgency ing? Large Federal deficits, of the individuals earned. about the level of Federal debt. If this magnitude projected for the next few Now that the Nation is facing a is so, this Congress needs to remind years, will require an abnormally large budgetary crisis, our President has de- him that it is a matter of great con- demand for credit on the part of the clined to be part of the solution, but is It is a matter we need to address. Federal Government. When the Fed- perpetuating the problem by digging cern. in his heels and refusing to consider President Reagan has demonstrated eral Government gets into the credit tax and revenue increases. his very real talent for leadership sev- market in a big way, it leaves little I am sure that many of you read yes- eral times during his administration. room for anyone else. There is only so terday's Washington Post article de- He was extremely effective in bringing much loan money available from lend- tailing the President's Cabinet meet- differing points of view together in a ing institutions. When the demand be- ing Tuesday, when he asked his Cabi- compromise to resolve the social secu- comes excessive, the interest rates to net members to "Hold the line against rity solvency crisis. Another opportu- obtain that credit become equally ex- election year increases in domestic nity to act as a stateman and place cessive. spending." Yet when I read the com- himself above partisan differences is From recent past experience, we all ments from so-called White House of- at hand. The budget crisis demands know the consequences of high inter- ficials also included in the article I one voice which can speak for the est rates. If individual consumers have to remain skeptical about wheth- people as a whole. Our President has cannot get credit or cannot afford er or not the line will be held across shown himself to be extremely able in credit, the demand for the products the board. These unnamed White this regard. they buy falls rapidly. Low demand House officials were quoted as saying Several plans to address the deficit makes for low production and low pro- that "although the Defense Depart- problem have been advanced. Those duction makes for low employment, ment was covered by Reagan's order, which are recognized as responsible all and then we are right back where we the military is likely to get large in- include tax increases of some sort. It is started 4 years ago. creases in the budget Reagan will send unrealistic to assume that we can cure What can Congress and the adminis- Congress early next year." what ails our economy without ad- tration do to address this pressing Today's Post carries an article detail- dressing the revenue side of the equa- problem? The options are few and ing an "Exploratory" proposal by the sion. I know the Congress senses the what options there are, are not with- Senate Finance Committee to reduce urgency. But congressional support out pain. Basically there are three ap- the deficit by some $150 billion over 3 has not coalesced around any one proaches open to the Federal Govern- years. The reductions would come plan. If a bipartisan effort were to be ment: It can raise more money equally from tax increases and spend- undertaken, with the endorsement of through increased taxes; it can spend ing cuts. This article is complementary the President and with his active sup- less money by reducing the size and to the one on the Cabinet meeting in a port, I believe the Congress could be number of programs it underwrites; or peculiar way. The question of congres- drawn together to resolve the difficul- it can utilize a combination of the two. sional action on a tax increase this ties we face. When this question has been asked year is one which has received consid- But with or without leadership from of 10th District constituents taking erable attention. Yet, Senator DOMEN- the President, we must act. The my annual summer fair poll at the var- icI is quoted in Wednesday's Post as Nation cannot afford a continued ious county fairs throughout south- saying he was given "a clear impres- stalemate in the Congress. I urge my eastern Ohio, the response has been sion after the Republican leadership colleagues to review the legislative op- decidedly one-sided, with over 75 per- meeting with Reagan that the Presi- tions which have been introduced, and cent wanting to see a wholesale reduc- dent remains adamantly opposed to to be willing to compromise from their tion in Federal spending. Another 24 any tax increases"-adamantly op- own positions for the greater good of percent favor a combination of spend- posed. the Nation. And I urge the House lead- ing reductions and tax increases to Instead, the President prefers to ership to bring this matter to the fore- bring the budget into better balance, continue to cut domestic spending pro- front of our agenda, so that action can while but 1 percent favor closing this grams, rather than refining provisions be taken. deficit principally through the imposi- of our Tax Code which now permit the * Mr. MILLER of Ohio. Mr. Speaker, tion of higher taxes. sheltering of certain types of income. I am a cosponsor of a joint resolution I, like the majority of respondents to He would rather reduce assistance pro- to establish a bipartisan commission my fair poll, am inclined to favor the grams than close tax loopholes, or on Federal budget deficit reductions. I spending reduction as the best and take a closer look at the policies believe that this bipartisan commis- most practical means of addressing behind current tax expenditures. sion could provide the kinds of recom- this problem, but being the realist The rules of the President's game mendations that are necessary to re- that I am, I cannot imagine our Con- have not been changed. These two ar- solve the ideological differences which gress going along with this approach. 30870 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 The only option in my judgment, We would see the return of spiraling Last weekend some 50 Republican which holds any chance of acceptance inflation, rising unemployment, sky- Members of the House went to a con- by this Congress is the second ap- rocketing interest rates, and the pleth- ference for the weekend in Baltimore proach discussed, the combination of ora of economic woes that we are just and worked on the question of where spending cuts and selective tax in- now leaving behind. is America at and where are we going? creases. Mr. Speaker, many share a deep con- We are convinced that both America Over the last year we have seen in- cern about the national debt. Howev- and the Republican Party face prob- creasing evidence of a strong economic er, the National Home Builders Asso- lems and opportunities which cannot recovery in this country, a recovery ciation has stepped out front in urging be solved within our current assump- keyed to increasing consumer demand that the legislative gridlock in which tions, language, and framework. prompted by falling interest rates and we find ourselves be broken by the cre- We know that we do not have all the a stable dollar. If we are to maintain ation of a special, bipartisan Presiden- answers. Indeed, we probably do not this recovery we must remove any po- tial Commission-similar to the recent have all the questions. We believe that tential impediments from its path; we Social Security Commission-that only a long-term mass movement, in- must take whatever steps are neces- would be composed of highly respect- cluding many people and extending sary, and take them now, to insure ed individuals from the public and pri- beyond elections over a number of that the upturn we are evidencing will vate sectors. Such a Commission would years can create the solutions to our be a long lived one and one that will examine our current economic prob- current dilemmas. We invite people to be of lasting benefit to all Americans.e lems and made the hard recommenda- join us in this collective effort to find * Mr. BROOMFIELD. Mr. Speaker, tions on how to get our deficit under a better future for our country and the bells have been sounding for quite control to the Secretary of the Treas- our party. some time warning that we are in seri- ury, the Chairman of the Board of The challenge to really develop an- ous danger of making our economic re- Governors of the Federal Reserve swers to America's future will be so covery a basket case and putting our System, the President, and the Con- great, and the effort will be so large national economy in serious danger gress. and so long, that the initial invitation unless we get a handle on mounting To help focus attention on our debt to the Baltimore conference talked Federal deficits. crisis, the Home Builders observed "D- about 1984 as being the beginning of Cries of alarm are coming from Day" yesterday. This "D" stands for the beginning. A number of us have many quarters in both the public and Deficit. been working for some 6 months as a private sectors of our Nation. But con- The Home Builders should be com- team,and we felt that we had not even sidering some of the bills we have mended for their efforts because we gotten to the beginning yet; that, in passed this session, one could legiti- must begin uniting the Nation to take fact, on a project as long in many ways mately assume that the Halls of Con- the difficult steps required to finally as the progressive movement that was gress are soundproof. address this serious matter. developed by LaFollette and others at This is not the time to rehash those Mr. Speaker, House Joint Resolution the turn of the century, 6 months or a bills or engage in partisan finger 382, which I am cosponsoring, would year or a year and a half is, as I say, pointing. We must unite now to face establish a bipartisan National Com- only the beginning of the beginning. this problem seriously as we did when mission on Federal Budget Deficit Re- In that sense, let me begin by sug- the social security system was in ductions, which is similar to the Home gesting that James Madison was cor- of going bankrupt. Builders' suggestion. rect when he said, and I quote: danger I sincerely hope such a Commission As David Broder pointed out in a Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, recent column, if we were facing an will be established and that we in the and the people who mean to be their own Congress can outside threat capable of doing as lay aside our partisan governors must arm themselves with the much damage to our Nation as the differences to bring the deficit under power which knowledge gives. deficit can do, there would control. Nothing less than the future mounting well-being of our Nation depends upon We use this chart to begin the pres- be no question that we would close it.e entation on creating a conservative op- ranks and react immediately to this portunity society because it represents danger. the oldest and most noble American However, the danger is not from the O 1940 tradition of populism. There have outside but rather from within. The been two kinds of populism in Ameri- problem stems from this Congress and GENERAL LEAVE can history. There was a William Jen- this Government's inability to come to Mr. AuCOIN. Mr. Speaker, I ask nings Bryan populism of fear, of envy, grips with spending. unanimous consent that all Members of ignorance, of playing on people's While the problem caused by the may have 5 legislative days in which to concerns about the future in order to Congress excessive spending mounts revise and extend their remarks on the trap them into a vision of the past. daily, we seem to have arrived at a leg- subect of my special order today. But there is an older, a more legiti- islative gridlock unable to unite The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. mate, a more reasonable populism, the behind a single proposal that would WISE). IS there objection to the re- populism of Jefferson and Madison, address the deficit problem. quest of the gentleman from Oregon? men who believed that you led the The Congressional Budget Office There was no objection. public by inspiring hope, not hate; has estimated that if no action were men who believed that you led the taken, we would see the national debt public by educating it, not by dema- come close to $3 trillion in the next 5 CONSERVATIVE OPPORTUNITY goguery; men who believed that by years, with an annual interest pay- SOCIETY working together, the American ment of about $150 billion. This The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Nation and the American people could amount in interest is about one-half of WISE). Under a previous order of the create a better future. the total receipts the Federal Govern- House, the gentleman from Georgia We suggest that both America and ment received through the payment of (Mr. GINGRICH) is recognized for 60 the Republican Party are at cross- personal income taxes in 1982, and it is minutes. roads; that, in fact, both our Nation more than one-half of the estimated Mr. GINGRICH. Mr. Speaker, I and the Republican Party face real 1983 amount. want to talk this evening about creat- choices. Down one side of that cross- Such a debt would virtually prohibit ing a conservative opportunity society road is the liberal welfare state, a private sector expansion or social pro- and the recent Republican conference system we have had for 50 years, a le- grams that are legitimately needed. in Baltimore. gitimate system, essentially the bu- November 3, 1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30871 reaucratic system developed first in Crime. Still up 47 percent higher fare state are all alive and well. Nei- Han, China, then translated by the than 10 years, and if you count in the ther the Republican Party nor the French in the 17th century, developed use of drugs, we are clearly a more United States will prosper if we con- by the Austro-Hungarian and German crime-ridden country than we were 10 tinue to build a high-tax, high-infla- Empires in the 19th century, codified years ago. I recently asked a group of tion, low-productivity, low-investment by Max Weber early in the 20th centu- older women, "Could you imagine a liberal welfare state. Indeed, if we ry, and now reaching its American epi- 70-year-old lady walking alone at decay long enough, we may cease to be tomy in the large buildings of bureau- night, at 10 o'clock at night, in a large competitive with Japan and East Asia crats shuffling papers around this city, city without being afraid?" economically or with the Soviet Union a large centralized bureaucratic state They said, "no." Yet, the fact was militarily. in which more and more decisions are that only 15 or 20 years ago they Let me turn first to Japan. We use made by the government, more and would have said, "Yes." But in a very Japan here only as an example of the more money is taken from the rest of few years, crime has led to fear across East Asian littoral because South the Nation and sent to an imperial our cities, crime has led people to be Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong capital. concerned about parking their car in Kong work equally well. For example, We believe down that liberal welfare an area without lights, crime has led South Korea has become one of the state side lies continued decay. us all to fear that somebody knocking biggest shipbuilding countries in the Down the other side of the road, and at the door may be a danger rather world. In 1981 the South Koreans had we use for the moment the term "con- than a friend. more than twice as many ships on servative opportunity society," al- Alcohol abuse, still causing between their order books as the United States though we have made clear in every 50,000 and 200,000 deaths a year, still had. presentation and at the Baltimore con- a $100 billion a year tragedy both for But let us look at Japan, the largest ference that we are not fixed on that the Nation and for the human beings country in that area economically. For title; that, in fact, that is our current involved. the past two decades, Japan's share of working title as we try to develop an The literacy rate. One in every five savings has been triple that of the illiterate. alternative way of thinking about the Americans is functionally United States, and Japan's gross do- world compared to the liberal welfare Indeed, we are the first generation in mestic product, as well as its manufac- American history to educate our chil- turing and industrial state, but down that side there is an dren less than we were educated. growth rate has optimistic future, a better world. been twice that of the United States. Think of it. For the first time in Recent reports indicate, for example, If America is at a crossroads, the Re- American history our young children publican Party is clearly trapped that the Japanese are going to be able are going to be graduating from high investing far more. within its minority status. While we their par- to continue school knowing less than the Members will notice the chart, have control of the White House and ents, something we have never had If the Senate, the latter precariously, happen. the Americans save around 6.1 percent since 1954 we have come nowhere Finally, on a topic which is difficult of their income; the Japanese save 19.4 close to a majority in the U.S. House, to discuss in a liberal welfare state but percent. The result is that the Japa- the State legislatures, or public opin- which is clearly a very important topic nese, for the size of their economy, ion. Indeed, only in 1972, in the U.S. in terms of social structure and our have three times as much money to Senate races, has the Republican ability to survive as a society, the ille- build new factories, to try out new Party gotten a majority below the gitimacy rate is increasing dramatical- ideas, and to invent new products. Presidency. In fact, in 1980 and 1982, ly. The number of white illegitimate We can find a similar kind of chart the Republican Party got respectively children has increased by a factor of with a similar kind of rate, except that 45 and 43 percent of the popular vote 600 percent over the last three dec- it looks worse, if we look at Soviet and for the U.S. Senate. It was the geome- ades. George Gilder reports that 55 American tank rates in Europe. We try of where the votes were and win- percent of black children last year will find that there are about five ning a number of seats by very narrow were born out of wedlock. Soviet tanks for every American tank. margins that enabled us to win control This is a crisis because it either re- Some people say, "Well, you see, the of the Senate without yet having won quires dramatically more socialization Americans are going to be a lot smart- a majority of the popular vote. by the state or a rebuilding of the er. They are going to figure out exact- The culminating lesson for a number family structure. It is possible for a so- ly which Soviet tank to kill first, and of us was a recent meeting in which, ciety to continue to have children born that will allow us to make sure that we by defining the Republican Party as into an environment in which there is disorient and destroy the momentum 38 percent of the vote, we proved con- no structure and there is no way to of the Soviet attack, and so we will clusively, State by State, that we could learn the lessons of civilization. survive even though we are outnum- never get a majority in the House of bered 5 to 1." Representatives; that is, if you only O 1950 If we think about it, that is a pretty have 38 percent of the vote in the peo- But let us move on. Beyond the obvi- tough thing to do, and it is very un- ple's House, you cannot possibly get ous social indicators of decay, the fact likely we are going to be that much much more than 38 percent of the is that President Reagan has lost con- smarter. Yet Walter Mondale's new in- seats. trol of the national agenda. Fighting dustrial policy is remarkably similar. The choice for us is clear: Either we deficits is becoming a code term for What it says is that, yes, the Japanese change or we remain doomed for our new tax increases. Concern over educa- will have three times as much money lifetime as a permanent minority. tion is becoming a slogan for more and, yes, they are going to be able to However, if the Republican Party is at Federal spending. The medicare crisis take three times as many risks, but we a crossroads, so is the United States. will probably lead to a new commis- are going to set up a government bu- While Ronald Reagan has slowed sion proposing new taxes. Our high- reaucracy, and that government bu- down the liberal welfare state, he has way, water, and ports infrastructure reaucracy is going to be so smart that not fundamentally changed it. He has, crisis will lead to new spending propos- it will make the right decision, it will in fact, slowed down the rate of tax in- als. And the list goes on and on. build just the right factory, and it will creases, slowed down the rate of bu- The Washington lobbies of the liber- do just the right things. reaucracy, slowed down the rate of in- al welfare state, the Washington news Now, frankly, that is nonsense. Even flation, but in not a single case have media mind set of the liberal welfare the Japanese Planning Ministry has we fundamentally left that crossroads. state, and the national pressure not been very effective. In fact, at that Let us take a few examples. groups that support the liberal wel- ministry on one occasion told the Jap- 30872 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3, 1983 anese automobile industry that the that we do not care about defense and a larger effort to conquer and rape Japanese could not build cars as well we do not care about the American their neighbors. as General Motors and they should economy. There is a third and, I be- So the choice for America is simple. not expect to compete with us on the lieve, ultimately unanswerable ques- If we want to develop a model which world market. On a number of occa- tion about why we have to give up the encourages young men and women to sions Japanese Government planning liberal welfare state and move toward go into engineering instead of the mili- has been wrong. The difference has a conservative opportunity society or tary, if we want to develop a model in been that in Japan they have three some other effective model of human which young people across the planet times as much money to build facto- behavior that liberates our economy, go into business instead of going into ries as we do in the United States, for gives us a new sense of hope, and the process of conquest, then we have the size of the economy, and, there- allows us to develop a more attractive to develop an economic engine that fore, they can build three times as and more dynamic country. We have leads to a higher quality of life for ev- many factories, buy three times as to regain our drive and our confidence eryone, and that engine has to begin many new tools, and, as a result, be to give the Third World a model to in America because we have to lead, competitive. If you do not change the work toward. starting by developing our own coun- liberal welfare state, you cannot in- Without our leadership, the Third try so everyone else has a model to crease the savings rate, and if you do World, which now stands at 4.5 billion turn to. not increase the savings rate, in the people and by the year 2000 will Fortunately, the United States is on long run you cannot compete. number 6.5 billion people, will do two the edge of three great revolutions I have a friend who is a science fic- things: First, it will continue to arm, that will transform the world: comput- tion writer who is thinking about a to rob, and to pillage its neighbors, er and information sciences, biology, short story in which the Japanese and, second, the people of the Third and space. It is conceivable, for exam- Navy 200 years from now comes to San World will continue to move to the ple, that United States. by the end of my lifetime we Francisco and opens up America, just will be growing key organs for trans- as in the 1850's the U.S. Navy went to Now, I think this has been a tremen- plant in vitro and we will be exporting Tokyo Harbor and opened up the Jap- dous country for immigration. We anese Empire. have been a wonderful country. I come them; that is, we might send 5,000 Mr. Speaker, let me suggest that out of a German background, with livers a year to France, and we might many people may not care about eco- some Scotch, Irish, and English blood. be importing people who will fly to the nomic development. They say, "So Every American, starting with the United States in order to get very ad- what if we fall behind the Japanese?" first Indians to come across the Bering vanced health care. It is conceivable Let us look then at our second prob- Strait,is an immigrant. But the reality that by the end of this century health lem. That is the problem we have mili- is that we would not want to have 6.5 care and biology will be major export tarily. We now live in a new world. billion people in the United States. We industries, producing currency for the The Soviet Union has always been could not, frankly, sustain them, and United States and creating very good bigger militarily. For example, in 1982 if we do not change our economy, that jobs in America. we had 2 million people under arms, weight of population would simply It is conceivable that in space we will the Soviets had 5 million; we had crush our economic health. begin to discover products, as recent 11,000 medium and heavy tanks, the What we want to do is work with our experiments by Johnson & Johnson Soviets had 50,000; and we had 96 neighbors, help them develop a popu- have proven, which will allow us to attack submarines, the Soviets had lation which is in itself healthy, and manufacture in space and produce 280. But now the Soviets are also be- help them develop a world in which export items. ginning to compete qualitatively. If we they feel comfortable and they feel ex- It is obvious to almost every Ameri- look at this chart which is based on cited about life, building their own can that computers and information the work of John Collins of the Con- country. sciences are an area of enormous po- gressional Research Service in the Li- Let us look to our good neighbor to tential. Indeed, there are currently brary of Congress, the present status the south, Mexico, as an example of over 2,000 different books in print on of the United States is better than the the challenge that they and we face. how to use a computer-a sign that Russians on 24 research programs In 1983 the population of Mexico was the American people are trying to un- militarily. The Soviet Union is better 79 million, and there were 12 million derstand and to learn about the on 14 programs. If we look at the long- unemployed. By the year 2000, the future. range trend, however, the United projected population is 115 million. States ends up being better on only 13 That is a population increase of over 2 O 2000 programs while the Soviets end up million new Mexicans a year. It is esti- If all of this possibility is there, if being better on 25 programs. This mated that the population of Mexico there are three great revolutions chart was originally done under Presi- in the year 2000, even with economic ahead, why do we not notice it? Why dent Carter. growth, would lead to 17 million un- do we not focus on it? Why do we not President Reagan has put a great employed citizens, clearly not a desira- do more about it? deal more money into defense, but ble state and not one which is surviv- The answer, I believe, is that the lib- compared to the Soviets, the Reagan able. eral welfare state as a cultural phe- defense budget is not dramatically I would suggest that that kind of nomenon is addicted to the negative, larger. In fact, even with all the addi- pressure in a population which is that the Club of Rome spirit which led tional money, we end up being about growing younger as it grows larger, be- to books like the "Limits to Growth" even with the Soviets in research. cause there are more young people really believes that there is no positive That is a very grave danger for the and there are more children, is a clear future, that by destroying the concept United States, because being even in recipe for trouble. Indeed, we know of progress, the liberal welfare state research means that the Soviets will today how many 18-year-old Mexican has destroyed the ability to dream, end up having more troops who are males there will be because they were which was the key to America. about equally well equipped. There- all born last year, and what those Much of the news media by its focus fore, the liberal welfare defense model numbers tell us is that there is a very on the negative, by its passion for the literally will not work. grave danger that if we do not lead the destructive, by its eagerness to cover It is inconceivable that the United Third World, the Third World will the bad, has increased our myopia and States will in the long run be able to accept the Cuban-Castro approach of our pathology. survive if we maintain a liberal welfare bigger militaries, of more efforts Indeed, if Thomas Edison had in- approach to defense. But let us say toward being strong militarily, and of vented the electric light in the age of November 3,1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30873 the liberal welfare state, I suspect that porter in the best selling book, "The long as the rider can stand it and as Dan Rather would have reported it in Third Wave," all three argue that we long as you can find fresh horses. a story which began, "The candlemak- are going through deeper, even more All of a sudden, with the invention ing industry was threatened today," fundamental changes. These three au- of the railroad train, we get faster and that Walter Mondale would intro- thors, Boulding, Bell, and Toffler, sug- speeds. You can really see the transi- duce a bill to protect candlemaking in- gest that the next 50 years is a transi- tion when you read, for example, let- dustries. tion, comparable to the shift from ters in the 1830's which warn that if We have to regain the vitality, the hunting-gathering to agriculture, from human beings go over 40 miles an excitement that was once characteris- agriculture to industry and now from hour, their hearts will burst because tic of America. We have to regain the industry to the information society. they have never experienced that kind belief that change can be progress if Let me make this clear for politi- of speed before. we have the courage to commit our- cians and for people who care about By 1900, we reached 100 miles a politics. The shift from hunting-gath- selves to making it progress. hour. Now, a 100 miles an hour is 5 We have to regain for example, the ering to agriculture, from running in small bands to living in one times faster than a horse. A factor of 5 American era, 1870 to 1920. That gen- around is eration saw the following inventions, place growing corn or wheat or rice, a very big change indeed. To give among others: led to such fundamental changes as you an example, multiply your own Electric lights, modern chemistry, the invention of the law, not just laws, weight by 5 and you will see how big a radios, airplanes, automobiles, motion the actual invention of the idea of jump that is. pictures, trucks, modern highways, written law, the invention of the idea But 1900 is still way down here. It is washing machines, telephones, refrig- of judges, the invention of the idea of slow compared to the next great jump. eration, the dreadnought battleship. the court. They led to other inven- Between 1900 and 1970, human beings There was an explosion of ideas be- tions, such as the invention of the invented the airplane, the rocket, and tween 1870 and 1920. king. we left the earth's orbit. For the first Peter Drucker in the great book, Now, when you come down here time, we went out to the Moon. We "An Age of Discontinuity" said that from agriculture to industry, you see made a speed of 19,000 miles an hour, there are periods in history in which similar great inventions. Probably the or 190 times faster than in 1900. everything changes, that for a long most famous politically are the inven- In fact, if you go back to 1820, we in- time the graph is steady. We can pre- tion of the political party, the inven- creased our speed by a factor of 960. dict the future and then it breaks, as tion of the secret ballot, and the in- Now, what does that mean? Well, all of a sudden change sets in. vention of the referendum. when you go to Mount Vernon and In 1869 it would have been impossi- It is interesting, for example, that in you look around George and Martha ble to predict the world of 1920, but in the same 10-year period, the Republi- Washington's residence and you real- 1920 it would have been very possible can Party in America invented the ize that just 200 years ago George to predict the world of 1950. congressional campaign committee Washington lived more like Julius Indeed, people like H. G. Wells made and the Tory Party in Britain invent- Caesar 2,000 years ago than he lived those predictions. ed the central office, which is their like us, you begin to see how much the That was an age which saw the campaign committee. world has changed, and then when world as a positive dynamic exciting In other words, with the rise of in- you look at how rapidly we have future. In fact, as an example of that dustry we were able for the first time changed in the 20th century and you era, there is a little book entitled, to have modern mass centralized polit- think to yourself, well, was American "What Every Girl Should Do For Her ical parties, using the printing press to government and American society Country." It is the 1913 Girl Scout tie together the middle class. changing at a rate of 960 fold since Handbook. It is an interesting study in If we are, indeed, going through a 1820? And you conclude no, it clearly patriotism and voluntarism in an age similar transition on that scale, then has not. You begin to see that politics before what we think of as women's one has to ask the question, what are and society are lagging indicators, that liberation. Way back then the advice the political and governmental inven- the world has changed must faster in in the Girl Scouts Handbook was not tions for an information society that speed than in government or politics. just go out and prepare to be a house- are as fundamental, as crucial as the Speed is the slowest of the three wife. It was not to be second to your invention of the law or of kingship, great changes. The second great husband. The advice was that every the invention of the modern central change is television and radio, the abil- girl should learn at least two trades so political party? the speed trans- ity electronically to move at that if one dies, she can earn a living The articulators of the great of light and to be across the entire at the other. formation theory see the explosion of floor way the key to understand- planet, to speak on the House In other words, that handbook knowledge as be seen in Hawaii or in California. to an age ing our world. and back in 1913 was committed Even greater change is in computers. written for an age of Now, I am not asking you to buy the of change. It was realizes that in this very discontinuity, in Peter Drucker's term. Boulding-Bell-Toffler thesis versus When one Now, there is a larger suggestion Drucker's "Age of Discontinuity." day there are still people who use the than the one we are entering on dis- Either one is very big. abacus, who by hand calculate, and we continuity and Peter Drucker in that Let me give you one indicator why now see modern computers, we can ap- book back in 1967 suggested that we the great transformation from an in- preciate that we are at the beginning, were just beginning to enter a new era, dustrial society to an information soci- not the end, we are in the Wright that between computers and space and ety may be more accurate. Brothers era of computing in space. biology, our world was going to change Let us use speed to study how we are We are not in a modern era at all. We so much that over the next 30 or 40 using knowledge. From about 2000 are in the baby era of these great years we would not really know exact- B.C. up until 1820, the fastest human breakthroughs. ly what the world was going to be like beings could travel was the speed of a When you remember the computer until it happened. horse. In that era, the Mongols invent- game Pong, which is now old-fash- But there is a more fundamental ed, for example, a Pony Express, ioned, but only 7 or 8 years old, the analysis. Kenneth Boulding, the econ- which ran from Hungary to the Pacif- game where you had one dot which omist on the "Meaning of the 20th ic Ocean. We invented a similar Pony bounced back and forth and you had Century," Daniel Bell, the sociologist Express out West in the 1850's.That is these little lights that went up and in a book entitled "The Post Industrial about 20 miles an hour by horseback. down on the side of the television set Society," and Alvin Toffler, the re- You can maintain it consistently as and you look at a modern computer 30874 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 game only 7 years later, you can ap- survive a shaky era, we, like the lake, more anticipation, a shared doctrine of preciate the rate of change. would become calm again. best habits and best solutions, commu- Without deciding between the two We endured the riots in cities, Wa- nicating more with less language ex- analyses, that of an age of invention tergate, the Vietnam war, the oil crisis, change, and more decentralized. or the great transition, it is clear that and finally the largest inflation rate Now, those are fancy terms, but let we are at least undergoing a large worldwide in 400 years. me give you two or three examples. shift. In either case, the United States This is a point I want to really drive We have to become externally ori- is entering an era of change, of uncer- home. When you have an inflation ented, because the entire world from tainty, of turbulence, in Drucker's rate which sets a 400-year record, you brand-new inventions in computing phrase, "an age of discontinuity." have to expect a hangover that will be and biology to the sudden change in By definition, we cannot know what a 400-year record. If you look back lit- Grenada, to a war in Lebanon, to a is on the other side of our discontinu- erally to 1550 for the last great period shift in the oil price, all of these ities. We can know, however, what of inflation, then you have to conclude changes require that we learn how to values and dreams we want to flourish that the problems we will have for the look outward, how to be prepared to in the future. entire rest of the eighties and early adjust to reality. Better trained be- Furthermore, we can know what nineties are in many ways inevitable, cause as things come faster and as techniques, what habits, what princi- and we are going to have to find out they are more difficult, we have to re- ples, will help America survive and how to get over the indigestion of spond without stopping and talking it prosper during the transition, so we having had too much easy money, too out at great length. A quicker response enter the new era prepared to defend much paper money, too much infla- time and very fast problem solving be- and leave freedom on the plant. tion in the seventies, but all of our cause our boat or raft will be swamped Let me suggest that change is not major politicians said: "Oh, if only we if we wait. If you cannot solve a prob- without values, that we do not have to do a little right of center, or a little lem relatively rapidly in the white go and run in a cave and become a left of center, everything will work out better." water river, there are too many new hermit. Let me suggest just the oppo- problems queuing up behind you that site, in fact, that values change out- Richard Nixon ordered wage-and- price controls. Gerald Ford had WIN will sink you which leads us to a comes, that Brazil is different than shared doctrine of best habits. Since New England because the Portuguese buttons. Jimmy Carter had a malaise speech. President Reagan had a 2-year we do not get faster, although the went to one place and the Puritans river does, we have to learn to share went to another. cure. All promised that with a few changes, the calm would return. All ideas with each other. If I could have O 2010 were wrong. 6 ideas a year, that is not enough if I What you believe often changes America has entered a great white- have 200 problems; but if I can share what happens. water river of change. We will be on my 6 with another 100 people each of The Russians and the Americans that river for a generation. whom also has 6 ideas, then we have built railroads. The Russians built a That river will require new skills, 600 answers to choose from and sud- railroad to extend a czarist empire, new habits, new ideas, new inventions, denly, we have a much better chance and the Americans built a railroad to and a new style of leadership. The lib- of solving the problems we are faced carry free people west to own their eral welfare state may lead the Ameri- with. own farms. can boat to sink in this river of Now, America has a problem, be- Values are not enough by them- change. At the very least it will lead it cause the party that should lead it out selves. Willingness without ability and to decay and fall behind other boats, of the liberal welfare state, the Repub- training is helplessness. The Puritan better adapted boats. It is precisely in lican Party, is not ready to do so. For who drowned trying to cross the At- the habits and principles of managing half a century the Republican Party lantic did not found Harvard, and the the transition that the liberal welfare has been the antiliberal welfare state Puritan who landed but could not state cripples America. The very cen- party. We have been trapped just as grow food did not found Yale. tralized, bureaucratic attitudes which much in the liberal welfare state box The fact is that you have to have characterize the liberal welfare state as have the Democrats. In other values, and you have to have willing- are the most likely to hurt America words, if you think of a box with the ness and ability, and you have to have during an era of change. Imagine the words, "liberal welfare state" across training. liberal welfare state as a classic college the top, the fact is that the Democrat- It is vital that we focus on ability scull, eight rowers pull in unison at ic majority makes proposals. They and training, on a willingness to learn, the call of the coxswain. It is central- come in and say: "Let'spaint the room because we are entering a very differ- ized, organized, disciplined, efficient, blue." The hard-core part of the Re- ent era. Imagine, if you will, that and certain to sink in a white water publican Party says: "No, let's not do America from 1945 to 1967 was like a river of change. anything, it is not the Government's family who lived in a houseboat float- The rowing team simply does not job to paint the room blue." ing on a large tranquil lake. All was have the time to look ahead, to see The moderate wing of the Republi- quiet and peaceful. what is coming, to report to the cox- can Party says: "Would you accept Our Nation was the richest, most swain and have him give orders. light blue?" The result is: Democrats powerful, most advanced in history. White water survival requires a de- always propose, the Republicans Americans could learn bad habits, centralized, reality-oriented team that always divide, and one wing says abso- ignore mistakes, subsidize obsolete in- learns and practices the habits of lutely not, and the other wing says: dustries. We were unchallengeable. change and survival. The successful "Well, let's just a little bit." We end Indeed, you could think of somebody white water team shifts leadership to up being in effect a pennypinching, virtually getting drunk on Friday each member as they are at the point negative party. Liberals propose, and night, falling off the houseboat and of danger or if their skills are needed. Republicans either say no or let us do being fished up out of the nice, warm, America needs to develop a more ef- only half of it. Republicans became calm lake. It was in this world that the fective set of habits and principles such pennypinchers that we resembled liberal welfare state was developed and that are based on the following quali- the young boy that went to the flower flourished and reached its peak ties: Externally oriented, better shop for his date. around the time of Lyndon Johnson. trained, higher level of integrated He meant to buy roses, but saw a Around 1967, America began to ex- knowledge, quicker response time, special on wilted petunias. He saved $6 perience rough water. We all thought very fast problem solving, high analyt- but lost the girl. I often say to busi- it was just a storm. If only we could ical skills, more looking ahead, and nessmen and businesswomen that pen- November 3,1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30875 nypinching is not necessarily cost ef- welfare state, we have to invent an ing, in business from a focus on bu- fective in business, and it is often fatal entire new model, and we replace in a reaucracy to a focus on entrepreneur- in politics. sense the rectangle of the liberal wel- ship, in government from a focus on Let me suggest that it is in fact psy- fare state with the oblong of what we the bureaucrat to a focus on the citi- chologically impossible to maintain a are currently calling a conservative op- zen, that is real change and that is pennypinching right-of-center liberal portunity society in which there will why change becomes the central in- welfare state. It is impossible as long be an anticonservative opportunity so- strument. as the Republican Party represents ciety, Democratic minority, and a Re- I would suggest in the politics of the working Americans to ever outbid lib- publican proconservative opportunity next 30 years the major dividing line eral Democrats; and furthermore, a society majority. in the Republican Party will not be be- right-of-center liberal welfare state 0 2020 tween moderates and conservatives, would still be trying to return to the will not be between young and old; it tranquil lake of the the past. That will require that we create an entirely new framework of thought, will be between those who agree and As Alvin Toffler said in a recent are willing to commit themselves to Urban League: "Both language, government, and politics. speech to the the great experiment of thinking parties are in danger of becoming par- Let me say this can involve very ac- ties of nostalgia." tivist government. The era of Republi- through new approaches and thinking Toffler pointed out Walter Mondale can domination back between 1856 and through new efforts and those who, in wants to take us back to the smoke- 1932 was a period of tremendous gov- fact, are addicted and stuck and are stack industries of the past, but Re- ernment experimenting, a period of frightened to leave the world of the publicans talk about taking us back to building the transcontinental railroad past. the little red schoolhouse. without having a Department of Rail- The most powerful model of change Trying to go back on the liberal or road, a period of encouraging home- is what is called the frozen-thawing-re- conservative side will not guide us steading through the Homestead Act, freezing model. People and systems do through the coming transition, just as a period of the agricultural colleges not change unless they are either in we will never again have the industries and the Morrell Act which led to the pain or they are anticipating change. of the past, and please do not misun- land-grant colleges and the agricultur- One major failure is an effort to leap derstand me. We will have manufac- al agent system. from freezing to refreezing. What hap- turing industries. We will have jobs The test I always give conservatives pens is people say all right, I have creating things. There will be opportu- is to say, "How many of you wanted to really got to change. I know I am nities in Buffalo, and Youngstown, save the Panama Canal?" Most of my frozen over here. Tell me what you and in Chicago, but they will be the conservative friends promptly raise want me to do and I will leap right opportunities in the smokestack indus- their hands. But the fact of the over here and refreeze. I do not want tries of the future, not in propping up matter is that the Panama Canal was to go through this thawing part in the decaying factories of the past. What built by Government engineers, be- middle; that is a waste of time. we need to do is, we need to accelerate cause Government doctors cured The world does not work that way. the rate of change with which we yellow fever. It was run by a Govern- The most you can do is you leap from move into a newer and better job of ment corporation and it was construct- frozen to refrozen without thawing is the future, not try, as the Europeans ed by Government, Army and Navy, learn a gimmick, learn a tactic, or have been trying, to desperately prop the largest public works project in his- learn some little item. up the decaying jobs of the past. tory at the time it was set up. But it Real change, whether it is getting Yet, the fact is to take education as did not involve five bureaucrats in married, raising children, starting a an example, that our school system Washington for every engineer in new job, learning a new career, moving was designed for the smokestack in- Panama. to a new town, requires at some point dustries of the past. It was designed It was a sign you can have an active, that you thaw out and start learning for the assembly line. People arrived aggressive, conservative state which in a big way. on time to the sound of a bell just as does not in fact have a large central- As long as you are frozen you cannot they would in a factory. They sat in a ized bureaucracy. learn. You cannot learn about a new row in an organized way. They took Now, if we are going to invent a new, job, you cannot learn about a new notes as the foreman or teacher told dynamic system, a new way of viewing spouse, you cannot learn about new them what to do. They learned not to the world which we are calling a con- children, and you cannot learn about a go to the bathroom or to eat in be- servative opportunity society, we have new city. tween recesses because they were sup- to recognize that the first step toward If you want to learn you have got to posed to stay on the assembly line. In creating a new model is to recognize thaw out. fact, they went to assembly-line the need for change. here you assembly-line Let me suggest that both at the level That is frightening because courses that became you become building blocks to get assembly-line of the Republican Party and at the are frozen and suddenly just flexible but fluid. That degrees. They were socialized into a level of the liberal welfare state we liquid, not world which is today dying. Very few need real change, we need to change scares people and they have a difficult people work today the way they be- the triangle of Republican minority to time doing it. haved in school, and that requires in the circle of the Republican majority. So let me offer one gimmick, one the long run fundamental rethinking We need to go from the liberal welfare step toward thawing out. A good way of what we mean by learning and state triangle to a conservative oppor- to think is to draw nine dots, three public learning in an age of great tunity society majority circle. rows of three dots. This is called the change, but teaching people that the In each case there is a fundamental nine dot problem and it is our hope liberal welfare state is inadequate for change from triangle to circle. over the next couple of years that vir- our river of change is not enough by Most people when you finally con- tually every American will learn it be- itself. Learning that lake boating is in- vince them intellectually and they say cause it is a way of thinking, a habit adequate teaches you what not to do. fine, then they say let us make this that will help people really solve prob- It does not teach you what to do. side of the triangle a little darker, or lems on their own. The Republican Party must invent a let us make this side of the triangle a One of the real purposes of a con- new approach, a new method, a new little bit lighter, but to talk about real servative opportunity society is to positive set of principles. Rather than change, to move in a fundamental make people stronger and better edu- trying to prop up the liberal welfare way, for example, in education from a cated so they can solve their own prob- state or run a cheap, negative liberal focus on teaching to a focus on learn- lems, instead of simply turning to the 30876 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 Government or turning to some out- provide eight practices of excellent Seventh, using a simple form and a side agency. American companies. Peter Drucker in lean staff. The gimmick here is to draw four the "Effective Executive" suggests five lines which cover all nine dots. It is a rules for an effective executive. O 2030 simple problem. You cannot lift the Let me start first with "Mega- Eighth, what they call simultaneous pencil once you try.Start trying and if trends." John Nesbitt suggests we are loose-tight properties. They said this you try to draw all four lines, you can going first from an industrial society is the most complicated one. Every- cross the lines, but you have to keep to an information society. thing is decentralized except for the the pencil down because otherwise, of Second, from forced technology to very few core values that are so impor- course, you could simply cross all nine what he calls high tech/high touch. tant that they are enforced vigorously dots with three lines. Third, from a national economy to a across the whole company. And that is People will work on this problem for world economy. what they mean by simultaneous 10, 15 minutes, for 1 hour, and they Fourth, from the short term to the loose-tight properties. will not solve it because it turns out long term. Again I would suggest you could that the geometry of the nine dots re- Fifth, from the centralization to de- take Peters and Waterman's eight quires that they go outside the nine centralization. principles and apply them to the Pen- dots, that they draw angles that are Sixth, from the institutional help to tagon and dramatically improve the out here and out here. Then when you self help. effectiveness of our military systems say to people who have been working Seventh, from representative democ- and our procurement systems. on this problem for a long time, "Well, racy to participatory democracy. I would suggest that a Republican why didn't you solve it?" They say, Eighth, from hierarchies to network- Party which is built around and has a "Well, you can't go outside the dots," ing. habit and a style of operation around or "You can't go outside the box," or Ninth, from the North to the South. the search for excellence would be "You can't go outside the perimeter." And, 10th, from an either/or to a Then you say to them, pointing back multiple option future. more dynamic, more exciting, in the to the original nine dots, you say, So I would suggest that a conserva- words of the Baltimore conference it "What box? What perimeter? What tive opportunity society would in would have "zzazzip." limit?" many ways be an information society Finally, Peter Drucker's "The Effec- Suddenly they begin to realize that with high technology but also a high tive Executive," which is the most in hundreds of ways in their own lives touch component; would focus on the powerful single book about how to be almost every day we trap ourselves in world economy and our role within it; effective and which is important for the nine dots, that just as the liberals would be long-term oriented, decen- every American citizen because if we have dropped in the nine dots of bu- tralized, emphasize self-help, have par- are entering an information age, the reaucratic solutions in Washington, so ticipatory democracy, use networking fact is every single one of us will be an conservatives have been trapped in the rather than hierarchies, recognize the executive in the future. Every one of nine dots of penny-pinching and nega- rate of change that has shifted the us through the telephone, through tel- tivism. country toward the South and South- evision, through our automobile, has In fact, for many Republicans there west, and recognize a multiple option the kind of power and discretionary are still habits and assumptions of rather than an either/or future. time which makes us an executive. negative thinking. In fact, all Republi- Peters and Waterman studied a Drucker suggests five principles: cans who approach each problem with number of American corporations that First to find out where your time goes, "We haven't, we can't, if never works, they found to be excellent and they manage it, and consolidate your discre- and it won't work," are still trapped in found eight basic steps which they tionary time into the largest possible the nine dots of the past 50 years of said are a fundamental improvement continuing units. defeat. on the current Harvard Business Second, focus on contribution. Look The fact is if we are really entering a School model. I emphasize this be- upward from work and outward to- new era of transition, a real river of cause many of the problems we face as wards goals. change, then we do not know what will a country in our politics, in the De- Third, make strength productive. work until we try it. fense Department, in our bureaucracy, Make weaknesses irrelevant. That is, when we approach medi- in our government, in our companies, Fourth, concentrate. Do first things care, what are the nine dots we are are a function of the Harvard Business first and do one thing at a time. trapped in? What are the assumptions School model which the first chapter Fifth, make decisions as a systematic we accept without thinking? of Peters and Waterman is a devastat- process with clearly defined elements When we look at reforming and re- ing critique of. and in a distinct sequence of steps. vising the Pentagon, what are the as- They suggest eight positive steps. Let me suggest that we can use the sumptions we start out with which First, a bias for action, for getting on insights of Naisbitt, the management cripple us? When we think about solv- with it, not paralyzed by decisionmak- patterns of Peters and Waterman, and ing the problems of economic growth, ing. The standard operating procedure the executive leadership approach of what are the automatic assumptions is do it, fix it, try it. Peter Drucker to develop a Republican that we walk off from that by them- Second, being close to the customer, system for a conservative opportunity selves trap us into problems that will listening intently and regularly to the society for both our country and our not allow us to solve the great oppor- customer. party. tunities and to reach out to the great Third, to foster leaders in innovation We can develop a program which ac- future which is ahead. throughout the company, to foster cepts the Boulding-Bell-Toffler thesis The fact is that we really do not products, to encourage risk taking. that we are entering an age of transi- know what will work until we try it. Fourth, to encourage productivity tion. We can in fact live on that White However, there are some habits and through people, respect for the indi- Water River of change and by chang- practices which are helpful in an era vidual, treat the rank and file as the ing dramatically we can lead the of change. root source of quality productivity. world. Three books in particular outlined Five, having hands-on value-driven We can accept the notion that the ways of working in an age of uncer- systems setting values and insuring airplane, the nuclear weapon, the mis- tainty. John Nesbitt in "Megatrends" that they are followed. Management sile have turned us into one planet; gives us a list of 10 trends to help in the field. that Wendell Wilkie's "one world" has channel our thinking. Peters and Wa- Sixth, staying reasonably close to come true and that this planet in the terman in "In Search of Excellence" the businesses we know. long run will either be slave or free November 3, 1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30877 and the success of America is the key campaign should focus in talking hon- Mr. Speaker, I know that this issue to the success of freedom; that if we estly about America's future, that the is of great interest to each of my col- are dynamic, if we regain our morale, 1984 campaign should invite all Ameri- leagues. I, therefore, herewith submit if we have a positive vision of the cans to join in the thawing, that the for inclusion in the RECORD the article future to work toward, if we apply val- 1984 campaign should recognize that from the Post, my letter to Dr.Devine, uable practical workable habits toward all too often modern politics has been and his reply: the country and the world, then the a Fred Astaire movie in an age of [From the Washington Post, Nov. 2, 1983] world will truly follow us and we will "Flashdance," that all too often we in OPM SAYS NEW RULES WON'T HURT lead the human race into a millenium politics and government have looked VETERANS of freedom. But if we falter,if we stay as though we are out of touch with (By with the liberal welfare state, if we the rest of the country. Mike Causey) continue to decay economically, if we As one man said, "as every one else The Office of Personnel Management says that veterans have nothing to fear from keep a large centralized bureaucracy in the country thaws, the two political new reduction-in-force rules that become ef- with high taxation and high inflation, parties might be the last two ice cubes, fective later this month. if we weaken militarily, then in the we might be the last two frozen parts." In fact, OPM says that veterans, particu- long run the forces of slavery may If America is truly to move forward, larly disabled veterans, will get added job indeed win and we may enter a millen- then we must indeed recognize that protection from new rules that overhaul the ium of darkness such as we have not knowledge, if it is to govern ignorance, way agencies select employes to be RIFed known for a long time. must belong to the people. And those out of their jobs. In order to begin that future what of us who are in politics must to some Patrick Korten, executive assistant direc- we decided at Baltimore was that 50 extent become teachers. But since we tor of the OPM, said that yesterday's Diary "made it appear that our new rules will Congressmen and Congresswomen are teaching about a brand new world, somehow treat veterans differently during a were not enough; that in fact no small we must become learners; that each of RIF." The column quoted congressional handful of people could invent Amer- us in the Congress can go home, can sources who said that a "wrinkle" in the ica for our children, that the most reach out to 550,000 people and can new OPM regulations would cause veterans that we could do is to begin by dream- say to all of our citizens, "I do not rated "unacceptable" by their bosses to lose ing. We could dream first of the Amer- have all the answers, I do not know special job protection during RIFs. ica we want for our children, we could where this great river of change will "In fact," Korten said, "that has been the dream second of the steps we can take take us, I do not know what we will case since the passage of the Civil Service we can dream have to do over the next 30 years, but Reform Act of 1978. The law says very clear- to create that America; ly that veterans who are rated 'unaccept- third of the political movement it I can pledge to you that together all of able' cannot receive the added job protec- would take to achieve that creativity; us as a nation can move into a future tion of veterans' preference in a RIF." and we could dream finally of the Re- of freedom and productivity and pros- "In this case it is simply the status quo," publican party we must be if our perity and safety, that together just, as Korten said, "with no change in treatment dreams are to come alive and be real- we faced great challenges to cross the for veterans during a RIF. But, in another ized. Atlantic and Pacific, just as we faced area, there is a very important improvement And we closed the way we began. We the great challenges to walk west or to for veterans. That involves a much broader willing to take risks walk north, just as we faced challenges definition of competitive areas and competi- said that we were tive levels during a RIF." and we did take risks. We set some in opening up a new continent, so we Korten said that under the current goals that the news media could not can face challenges in opening up a system, veterans and nonveterans often cover very well, some ideas that were new era that together we can pledge must compete for jobs in small groups called not obvious or simple. We said that ourselves to a 1984 campaign to a competitive areas. Expanding the size of the the goals of the Baltimore conference period of government in which knowl- groups will give veterans the advantage of were to develop an understanding of edge truly reemerges and does govern competing with more nonveterans. and commitment to the long range ignorance and that together we can At the same time, OPM says that new create a conservative opportunity soci- value given to performance under its pro- cause of revitalizing America and the posed rules change will give greater protec- Republican Party: Openness, not con- ety which gives our grandchildren tion to employees who do well on the job, sensus; legitimate diversity; the habit prosperity, productivity, freedom and but who have been in government a relative- of listening and communicating more safety." ly short time. Under current rules, short- effectively; an optimistic outlook; in- Thank you, Mr. Speaker. service employees got very little extra credit creased creativity; and introduction to for above-average job performance, and hence are usually the first fired. the new concepts and techniques that OPM SAYS NEW RULES WON'T are necessary for survival and growth Many of those short-service employees, es- HURT VETERANS pecially in the higher grades, are blacks and during a transitional period. women. We resolved at that Baltimore Con- The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under the House, the gen- Moe Biller has been reelected president of ference that in fact we were willing a previous order of the American Postal Workers Union. He de- and eager to be populists in the tradi- tleman from Arkansas (Mr. HAMMER- feated challenger David E. Daniel, state tion of James Madison, that the way SCHMIDT) is recognized for 15 minutes. president from West Virginia, 50,350 to we would enter that White Water * Mr. HAMMERSCHMIDT. Mr. 37,526 in mail balloting. Fewer than half of River of change, the way we would Speaker, a recent article in the Wash- the union's 200,000-plus eligible voters re- create that conservation opportunity ington Post concerning new regula- turned ballots. Because of past mergers, the APWU has more national officers than society, the way we would move for- tions from the Office of Personnel some unions have members! ward toward an age of information Management prompted me to write to In some of the other APWU national offi- and manage the transition to a world OPM's Director, Dr. Donald Devine. I cer elections, Washington-area president of freedom would be like going back wanted to assure myself that the new Sidney Brooks won in a three-way race to be again to that very same chart we used reduction in force regulations of OPM administrative assistant for the union's at the very beginning. To say, once would have no adverse effects with re- health plan. again, as Madison did, that, "knowl- spect to veterans of our Armed Forces. Tom Neill of Houston was elected director edge will forever govern ignorance and I was particularly concerned about of industrial relations; Ben Zemskey was re- those veterans who are disabled. elected director of organization: James the people who mean to be their own Adams upset incumbent Michael G. Zullo as governors must arm themselves with Dr. Devine's prompt reply was most research and education director; Mike the power that knowledge gives." reassuring. He is an ardent supporter Benner, director of the special delivery divi- In that tradition we resolved that of veterans' preference in public em- sion, was beaten by Samuel Anderson of the 1984 campaign should be a cam- ployment and I was very pleased to re- Chicago. Clerk division assistant director paign of knowledge, that the 1984 ceive his comments. Wallace Baldwin lost out to James Connors. 30878 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 National officers who won reelection in- however, that they are within their rights the Criminal Justice Act-which pro- clude health plan director Ben Evans: exec- under the present regulations. This is pre- vides a system for representation of in- utive assistant Bill Kaczor Jr.; human rela- cisely the reason The American Legion was digent defendants in criminal mat- tions director Lorenzo Stephens (the top properly concerned about making the defi- ters-had essentially not been updated vote-getter among national officers); direc- nition of competitive area more precise in tor of clerk division John A. Morgen, clerk- the new regulations, and why they request- since 1970. The sixth amendment to craft assistant directors Kenny Wilson and ed that areas not be changed within 90 days the Constitution guarantees the right Andy Anderson; maintenance division direc- of a RIF, unless approved by OPM. We to competent counsel in criminal cases. tor Richard Wevodau and assistant director clearly need OPM's new regulations to cor- If the constitutional mandate is not Tom Freeman, and representative-at-large rect this and related weaknesses in the followed, then innocent persons may James Lingberg; motor vehicle division di- present RIF procedures. be convicted and guilty persons may As far as the Post column is concerned, it rector Leon Hawkins and assistant director be released based on a showing of inef- Don Ross, and mail handler director Ken is true that unacceptable-rated veterans re- Leiner. Owen Barnett was elected research ceive less protection in a RIF. However, that fective assistance of counsel. Thus, it and education director. is the result of the law, rather than the reg- is in the interest of justice that compe- Executive Vice President William Burrus ulations. Section 3502 of 5 U.S.C. only ap- tent counsel be encouraged to serve and Legislative Director Patrick J. Nilan plies full protections to veterans "whose under the Criminal Justice Act. The were unopposed for reelection. performance has not been rated unaccept- bill which I am introducing is more fis- Cecile F. Romaine of West Virginia edged able under a performance appraisal system." This is the law and always has cally conservative than H.R. 3233. The James A. Carr of Baltimore for the job of hourly rates of $20 (out of court) and business agent for the Washington region. been the law. The Post article was mislead- ing in that some protection is given even to $30 (in court), which were set in 1970, NOVEMBER1. 1983. unacceptable-rated veterans. Disabled unac- are no longer reasonable rates in most Hon. DONALD J. DEVINE, ceptable-rated veterans will still displace un- cases. H.R. 3233, as requested by the Director, Office of PersonnelManagement, acceptable-rated veterans, and unaccept- Judicial Conference, would have al- Washington,D.C. able-rated veterans will displace all unac- lowed the conference to set any hourly DEAR DON: As you know, I have been a ceptable-rated nonveterans. The new regula- tions, therefore, do not weaken veterans rate. However, this bill sets a general strong supporter of veterans preference in maximum of $50 per hour with an ab- public employment during all of my Con- preference in this regard, but the new regu- gressional career. lations are essential if we are to correct the solute maximum of $75 per hour. The This morning I read an article in the other weaknesses in the RIF system. You Judicial Conference in consultation in the correction Washington Post (copy enclosed) which con- might also be interested with the judicial councils of the cir- cerned me. It indicates that veterans' pref- the Post columnist made in today's paper, cuits may vary the rates by district which is attached. erence is about to be substantially weak- considering such factors as the mini- to what I understood The services organizations concern about ened. This is contrary of competitive areas in a mum range of prevailing rates for be. the manipulation the situation to other aspects of the present qualified attorneys in the district. your comment upon RIF, and with I would appreciate reduction-in-force system, was the reasons Three years after the effective date of like to the Post article. I would particularly why the organizations asked us to include you with regard to any discus- the act (October 1, 1984), the hourly hear from these specific changes in our regulatory sions you may have had with the various rates may be raised consistent with reform package. They are interested in ob- cost of living raises to Federal employ- major veterans organizations as you have taining these new protections. In my opin- promulgated your new reduction in force ion, it is critical that our new regulations ees, but only if the Judicial Confer- regulations. I would also like to be assured not be blocked by a Congressional appro- ence decides it is appropriate to in- that veterans, particularly those who are priations rider so that they can go into crease the maximum rates by district. disabled, are protected by your new pro- effect and allow us to properly enforce vet- The maximum case ceilings are raised posed procedures. erans preference in Federal employment. but not to the extent as recommended Thank you very much for your coopera- Sincerely, tion in this matter. I look forward to an in H.R. 3233. DONALD J. DEVINE, The need for this legislation has early reply. Director.e Sincerely, been well documented by such groups JOHN PAUL HAMMERSCHMIDT, as the U.S. Judicial Conference, the Member of Congress. CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT National Association of Former U.S. REVISION OF 1983 Attorneys, the American Bar Associa- OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT, The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under tion, the National Legal Aid and De- Washington,D.C., November 2,1983. and Hon. JOHN PAUL HAMMERSCHMIDT, a previous order of the House, the gen- fender Association, the Wisconsin House ofRespresentatives, tleman from Wisconsin (Mr.KASTEN- State Bar Association, among others.e Washington,D.C. MEIER) is recognized for 5 minutes. DEAR CONGRESSMAN HAMMERSCHMIDT: * Mr. KASTENMEIER. Mr. Speaker, Thank you for your letter of November 2, today I am introducing the Criminal CHANGES TO TELEPHONE regu- 1983 concerning our personnel reform Justice Act Revision of 1983, a bill SERVICE PRESERVATION ACT lations regarding reductions-in-force (RIF) as they affect veterans. During the process which would update the Federal The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under of formulating these rules we originally set Criminal Justice Act (18 U.S.C. a previous order of the House, the gen- one of the principles of the reform to pro- 3006A). This bill, which is the work tleman from Colorado (Mr.WIRTH) is tect veterans preference, and we have con- product of the House Judiciary Sub- recognized for 5 minutes. tinuously worked with the veterans' services committee on Courts, Civil Liberties * Mr. WIRTH. Mr. Speaker, the tele- organizations to refine our proposals to and the Administration of Justice, is phone legislation I have introduced achieve that intended principle. cosponsored by all the members of the today, H.R. 4295, is identical to H.R. You draw attention to a column appearing subcommittee, as well as by two other 4102, the Universal Telephone Service in yesterday's Washington Post which raises the specter that the new regulations might members who indicated their interests Preservation Act, with a single techni- reduce protections for veterans rated "unac- in the legislation. I welcome the bipar- cal change. That change clarifies the ceptable" under a performance appraisal tisan support for the bill, and hope intent of the legislation that private system. You also mentioned that The Amer- that it can be processed through the communications systems which do not ican Legion has had concern that the De- committee and this body this session, interconnect with the public switched partment of Housing and Urban Develop- if possible. network, and will not or cannot rely ment (HUD) has drawn smaller "competi- The genesis for this bill is a proposal on the network as a backup, need not tive areas" then has been their past practice (H.R. 3233) which I introduced at the pay an access charge. for their upcoming RIF. Both of these items were also of concern to me. request of the Judicial Conference, This has been the intent of the legis- The American Legion is correct that HUD and on which our subcommittee held 2 lation since the Subcommittee on has drawn smaller competitive areas than days of hearings-June 30 and July 14. Telecommunications began consider- has been the case in the past. I am afraid, Federal judges were concerned that ation of the bill in late July. November 3,1983 CCNGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30879 Specifically, the clarifying change standing commitment to conserve America's Mr. ROBINSON (at the request of Mr. exempts from the access charge any richest natural resources, our soil and MICHEL), for November 4, on account user of a private communications water. U.S. farmers and ranchers-the most of official business. productive in the world-are the ultimate system who certifies that he will not stewards of our national agricultural base, Mr. COELHO (at the request of Mr. use the facilities of a local telephone and they deserve widespread recognition WRIGHT), for November 3 and 4, on ac- company to distribute the traffic of and support for their efforts to practice count of a necessary absence. that private system. sound, cost-effective conservation tech- The text of the change follows: niques. The Endowment's awards program "(C)(i) Charges under this subsection does just this-and more, providing Du Pont SPECIAL ORDERS GRANTED shall not apply to any line used by a person with new opportunity to participate in a na- who certifies to the Commission that after tional endeavor of great importance to all By unanimous consent, permission the date of such certification such person Americans for generations to come. to address the House, following the will not use the facilities, services, or related According to a number of experts, farm- legislative program and any special functions available from an exchange carri- land an water-the foundation for our coun- orders heretofore entered, was granted er for exchange access as a substitute or try's enormous agricultural productivity- to: supplement for the line covered by the cer- are under stress. Despite significant steps taken by growers, the agribusiness commu- (The following Members (at the re- tification. quest of Mr. DREIER of California) to "(ii) Any certification under clause (i) nity and government agencies, USDA fig- shall be subject to terms and conditions pre- ures show that erosion from agricultural revise and extend their remarks and scribed by the Commission which provide lands amounts to more than six billion tons include extraneous material:) that if the person thereafter so uses such of topsoil each year. In some areas of the Mr. HAMMERSCHMIDT, for 15 minutes, facilities, services, or related functions of country, topsoils are said to be eroding today. the carrier, such carrier shall be entitled to much faster than natural processes appear to be able to restore them. With water, the (The following Members (at the re- receive from that person amounts in addi- quest of Mr. AUCoIN) to revise and tion to the charges which otherwise apply outlook is no better. Some experts believe for such use. The additional amounts shall that by the year 2000, certain regions, extend their remarks and include ex- be determined in a manner which is pre- mainly in the Midwest and Southwest, could traneous material:) scribed by the Commission and which re- encounter severe water supply shortages. Mr. ST GERMAIN, for 10 minutes, Others believe that our nation has adequate today. flect the costs imposed upon such carrier in surface waters, but they are poorly man- making available facilities, services, or func- aged. One way or the other, agriculture, the Mr. AuCoiN, for 60 minutes, today. tions.o nation's largest consumer of water, faces a Mr. KASTENMEIER, for 5 minutes, potentially serious problem. today. DU PONT CO. SUPPORTS SOIL The nonprofit, nonpolitical Endowment Mr. SIMON, for 5 minutes, today. CONSERVATION was formed to step up to these issues in the Mr. ANNUNZIO, for 5 minutes, today. local community. The Endowment provides Mr. GONZALEZ, for 30 minutes, today. The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a focal point for private citizens and organi- Mr. BONIOR of Michigan, for 30 min- a previous order of the House, the gen- zations to pledge their support for soil and tleman from Tennessee (Mr.JONES) is water conservation. The Endowment speaks utes, today. Mrs. BOGGS, for 30 minutes, today. recognized for 5 minutes. to real need, focusing the spotlight on the need to sustain a strong and health agricul- Mr. WIRTH, for 5 minutes, today. * Mr. JONES of Tennessee. Mr. ture. And most of all, the Endowment aims Speaker, on October 31, 1983, I was Mr. FORD of Michigan, for 5 minutes, at reaching American farmers with practical today. honored to participate in ceremonies information and new incentive to help them announcing that the Du Pont Co. has do what they can do best-maintain agricul- Mr. JONES of Tennessee, for 5 min- agreed to fund the conservation tural productivity while conserving the na- utes, today. awards program of the National En- tion's soil and water resource base. Mr. BONIOR of Michigan, for 30 min- dowment for Soil and Water Conserva- In sum,these are the reasons that led Du utes, on November 4. Pont to become a charter member of the Mr. SMITH of Iowa, for 60 minutes, tion. This will make Du Pont the larg- Endowment-and to carry our commitment est corporate contributor to this pri- on November 7. one step further by sponsoring the first Mr. SMITH of Iowa, for 60 minutes, vate sector endowment which is only a annual awards program. We believe the couple of years old. nation has no choice but to do a better job on November 8. Emmett Barker,chairman of the en- in soil and water conservation. The organi- Mr. PEPPER, for 60 minutes, on No- dowment, Secretary of Agriculture zation of the Endowment as a private sector vember 8. John Block, Senator ROGER JEPSEN initiative will hasten the day when the goal Mr. DONNELLY, for 60 minutes, on and I participated in the press confer- is achieved.e November 16. ence and other ceremonies. We were privileged to hear the remarks of Dr. LEAVE OF ABSENCE EXTENSION OF REMARKS Dale E. Wolf, group vice president, ag- By unanimous consent, leave of ab- ricultural chemicals, the Du Pont Co., sence was granted to: By unanimous consent, permission and I include his remarks in the Mr. HARTNETT (at the request of Mr. to revise and extend remarks was RECORD: MICHEL), after 6 p.m. today and the granted to: STATEMENT OF DR. DALE E.WOLF balance of the week, on account of ill- Mr. LUNDINE, to revise and extend On behalf of the Du Pont Company, I ness in the family. prior to the vote on Coats amendment want to salute each of you for your leader- Mr. BROOMFIELD (at the request of today in the Committee of the Whole. ship and persistence in furthering natural Mr. MICHEL), for November 4, on ac- Ms. OAKAR, to revise and extend resource conservation in the U.S.-and espe- count of official business. prior to passage of H.R. 1234. cially for your efforts to help make The Na- Mr. NELSON of Florida, prior to the tional Endowment for Soil and Water Con- Mrs. HOLT (at the request of Mr. servation a reality. You and a handful of MICHEL), for November 4, on account vote of H.R. 1234, today. others first recognized the need for the En- of official business. Mr. MORRISON of Connecticut, prior dowment as a private sector initiative that Mr. BOEHLERT (at the request of Mr. to the vote on H.R. 1234, today. could make a positive difference in the lives MICHEL), for November 4, on account Mrs. JOHNSON, prior to the vote on of farmers and consumers across the coun- of official business. the Molinari amendment. try. Now the Endowment is doing just that, Mr. MICHEL (at his own request), for Mr. FLORIo, to revise and extend at doing it well and doing it in a way that com- November 4, on account of official conclusion of section 11. plements the far-reaching programs of prior to the vote on the other organizations, public and private. business. Mr. ROE, All of us at Du Pont are pleased to spon- Mr. CHENEY (at the request of Mr. Edgar and Florio amendment to H.R. sor the Endowment's first annual awards MICHEL), for November 4, on account 2867 in the Committee of the Whole program and to extend our company's long- of official business. today. 30880 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSENovember 3, 1983 Mr. HAWKINS, to reviseMr. WISE. and extend Mr. LEHMAN of Florida. his remarks during theMr. debate JACOBS. on the Mr. WALGREN in two instances. Wyden amendment toMr. H.R. HARRISON. 2867. (The following MembersMr. FAUNTROY. (at the re- quest of Mr. DREIER ofMr. California) WEISS. and ADJOURNMENT Mr.RANGEL in two instances. to include extraneous matter:) Mr. GONZALEZ. Mr. Speaker, I Mr. FISH in two instances.Mr. AKAKA. Mr. ACKERMAN. move that the House do now adjourn. Mr. MCKERNAN. The motion was agreed to; accord- Mr. PARRIS. Mr. DONNELLY. Mr. APPLEGATE. ingly (at 8 o'clock and 38 minutes Mr. YOUNG of Alaska. p.m.), the House adjourned until to- Mr. KEMP in three instances.Mr. PATTERSON. Mr. MARKEY. morrow, Friday, November 4, 1983, at Mr. SUNDQUIST. 10 a.m. Mr. LAGOMARSINO. Mr. LANTOS. Mr. DREIER of CaliforniaMr. BONIOR in two of Michigan.in- Mr. LEVINE of California. stances. EXPENDITURE REPORTS CON- Mr.WILLIAMS of Ohio.Mr. BERMAN. Mr. FAZIO. CERNING OFFICIAL FOREIGN Mr.FORSYTHE. TRAVEL Mr.GREEN. Mr. MORRISON of Connecticut. Mr.DANNEMEYER. Mr. JENKINS. Reports of various individuals and Mr. FLORIO. Mr.PHILIP M. CRANE. delegations traveling under authoriza- Mr. YOUNG of FloridaMr. CONYERS in 10 in in- two instances. tions from the Speaker concerning the stances. Mr. DE LUGO. foreign currencies and U.S. dollars uti- Mr.PORTER. Mr. OWENS. lized Mr. SOLARZ. by them during the third quarter Mr.MOORE. of calendar year 1983 in connection (The following MembersMr. ST (atGERMAIN. the re- Mrs. BURTON of California. with foreign travel pursuant to Public quest of Mr. AUCoIN) and to include Law 95-384 are as follows: extraneous matter:) Mr. GORE. REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, DELEGATION TOTHE SOVIET UNION, UNITED KINGDOM, ANDITALY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY1 ANDJULY 11, 1983

Date Perdiem Transportation Otherpurposes Total NameoMember employee Country US.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar ArrivalDeparture Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency or U.S. currency or U.S. currency or U.S. currency or U.S. currency= currency currency currency-

7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 68.49...... ThomasS. Foley. Delegation 7/Chairman10 U...... S S R ...... 7/1 ...... 202.00...... 143.35...... 16.73...... 287.22 7 11 Italu 7/2 356.00...... 58.53 ...... 499.35 7/10 4an1 252.53 S ...... 55. 163 ...... 69 ...... Militarytransportation (RT-D.C./Moscow/D.C. )...... "68U4968.49...... 5,163.69 DavidR. Obey...... 7/.10 ...... U.S S R ...... 7/1 ...... 35600 ...... 143.35...... 287.22 7/1 1 Italy...... 7/2...... 194.0 0 ...... 58.53...... 499.35 ...... 7/10 ...... 5,16 3.6 9 ...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (RT-D.C./Moscow/D.C.)...... 7/2 UnitedKingdom...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 6849 ...... 5,163.69 CardissCollins...... 7/10 US S R...... 7/1 . . 35 .0000...... 143.35...... 287.22 7" 1 ,194,tl 7/2 00n 499.35 ,/ 1 iday...... 202.UU . . . .7...... 8...... 7/10 5,16369...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (RT-D C /Moscow/D.C.) ...... 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 20 .00 ...... 16.73...... 168 ...... 5,163.69 TimothyE Wirth...... 7/10 .....U.S.S.R...... 7/1 ...... 356.00...... 14335 ...... 287.22 7/1l Italy...... 7/2 ...... 19.00 0...... 58.53...... 499.35 ...... 7/10...... 516 3.6 9 ...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (RT-DC./Moscow/D.C)7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 5,163.69 HenryA.Waxman...... 7/10 U.S.SR...... 7/1 ...... 356.00...... 143.35...... 287.22 7/11 Italy...... 7/2 ...... 194.00...... 5853 ...... 499.35 ...... 7/10 ...... 5,163.69 ...... 252.53 Miiitarytransportation (RT-D.C7/2 United/Moscow/D.C) Kingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 5,163.69 Thomas J Downey...... 7/10...... US.S R ...... 7/1 ...... 35600 ...... 143.35...... 287.22 7/11 Italy...... 7/2 ...... 194.00 ...... 58.53...... 499.35 7/10 ...... 163.69...... 252.52 Militarytransportation (RT-D.C./Moscow/DC7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... )...... 20200 ...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 5.163.69 MatthewMcHugh...... 7/10 U.S.S.R...... 7/1 356.00...... 143.35...... 287.22 7/11 Italy...... 7/2 194.00...... 58.53...... 499.35 ...... 7/10 ...... 5,163.69...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (RT-D.C/Moscow/U.C7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... )...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 5,163.69 RichardA.Gephardt...... 7/10 U.S.S.R...... 7/1 ...... 356.00...... 143.35 ...... 287.22 7/11 Italy...... 7/2 194.00 ...... 58.53...... 499.35 ...... 7/10...... 5,163.69...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (RT-D.C./Moscow/DC.)7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 5,163.69 AnthonyC.Beilenson...... 7/10 U...... SS R ...... 7/1 ...... 35600 ...... 143.35 ...... 287.22 7/11 Italy...... 7/2...... 194.00...... 58.5353...... 499.35 7/10 5...... 163...... 5,163.69...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (RT-D.C./Moscow/D.C)7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 20200 ...... 1673 ...... 6849 ...... 5,163.69 Norman D. Dicks ...... 7/10 U.SS.R ...... 7/1 356.00 ...... 143.35 ...... 287.22 7/11 Italy...... 7/2 194.00...... 58.53...... 499.35 ...... 7/10 5163.69 ...... 252.53 Military transportation (RT)- ...... 5,163.69 DanGlickman...... D.C /Moscow./D.C. 7/1 .7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 7/2 7/10 U.S.S.R...... 356.00...... 143.35 ...... 287.22 7/10 7/ Italy...... 194.00...... 58.53 ...... 499.35 Militarytransportation (RT- D.C /Mosco /D C.)...... 5,163.69 ...... 252.53 Wyche Fowler ...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 5,163.59 7/2 7/10 U.SS.R...... 356.00...... 143.35 ...... 287.22 7/10 7/11 Italy...... 94.00...... 58.53...... 499.35 Militarytransportation (RI- D.C./Moscow/DC.)...... 5163.69 ...... 252.53 MartinFrost ...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.3 ...... 68.49...... 5,163.69 7/2 7/10 U S.S.R...... 356.00...... 14335 ...... 287.22 7/10 7/11 Italy...... 194.00...... 58.53...... 400.35 Milary transportation (RT- D C./Mosco DC.)...... 5163.69 ...... 252.53 DickCheney...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.75...... 68.49...... 5,163.69 7/2 7/10 U.SS.R ...... 356.00...... 143.35...... 2E7.22 7/10 7/11 Italy...... 19400 ...... 58.53...... 499.35 252.53 November 3, 1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30881 REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, DELEGATION TOTHE SOVIET UNION, UNITED KINGDOM, ANDITALY, U.S. HOUSE OFREPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDEDBETWEEN JULY1AND JULY 11, 1983-Continued

Date Perdiem Transportation Otherpurposes Total Name Memberor employee Country U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar of Memberor employee ANamerrival Departure Country Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency= currency- currency currency-

Militarytransportation (RT- .C./Moscow/D.C) ...... 5,163.69...... 5.163.69 JoelPritchard ...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00 ...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 287.22 7/2 7/10 U.SS.poation...... (/Mosc 356.00...... 3.35 ...... 99.35 7/10 7/11 Italy...... 194.00 ...... 58,53 ...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (R/2-D.C./Moscow/D.C.) ...... 5,163.69...... 5,163.69 ThomasE. Petri ...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00 ...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 287.22 7/2 7/10 U.S.S.R...... 356.00 ...... 143.35 ...... 499.35 7/10 7/11 Italy...... 194.00 ...... 58.53...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (RT- D.C./Moscow/D.C.) ...... 5,163.69...... 5,163.69 JimLeach ...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 287.22 7/2 7/10 U.S.S.Rt...... 356.00...... 143.35 ...... 499.35 7/10 7/11 Italy...... U94.00 ...... 5 .53...... 252.53 Mltary ransportation (RT-D../Moscow/D.C.) ...... 5,163.69...... 5,163.69 Sid Morrison...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 287.22 7/2 7/10 U.S.S.R...... 356.00 ...... 14335 ...... 499.35 7/10 7/11 Ialy...... 194.00 ...... 58.53...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (RT- D.C./Moscow/D.C,) ...... 5,163.69...... 5,163.69 LarryHop ins ...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00 ...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 287.22 7/2 7/10 U.S.S.R...... 356.00...... 143.35 ...... 499.35 7/10 7/11 ItalyBrand...... 94.00 ...... 58.53...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (BT- D.C./ os//D.C.)...... 5,163.69...... 54335163.69 Wener W Brandt...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKin dom ...... 202.00 ...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 287.22 7/2 7/10 U.S.S.R...... 356.00 ...... 143.35 ...... 499.35 7/10 7/11 Italy...... 194.00 ...... 58.53...... 252.53 Militarytransporation (RT- D/.C./Moscow/D.C.) ...... 5,163.69...... 5,163.69 JimS hollae...... 7/ 7/2 Unitedy...... Kingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 287.2253 7/2 7/10 U.S.S.R...... 356.00 ...... 143.35...... 499.35 7/10 7/ Italy...... 194.00 ...... 73...... 58.53...... 252.53 Mitary transportation (RT- D.C /Moscow/D...... /.) ...... 5,163.69...... 5,63.69 GeneMoos ...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 287.22 7/2 7/10 U.S.S.R...... 356.00 ...... 143.35 ...... 499.35 7/10 7/11 Italy...... ingdom ...... 194.00...... 58.53 ...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (RT- D.C./Moscow/D.C.) ...... 5,163.69...... 5.163.69 William L. First ...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00 ...... 16.73...... 68.49...... 287.22 7/ 7/10 U.S.S.RaR...... 356.00...... 143.35 ...... 499.35 7/10 7/11 Italy...... 194.00 ...... 58.43...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (R1-O.C./Moscow/D.C.) ...... 5,163.69 ...... 5,163.69 KarenW ason ...... 7/1 7/2 UnitedKingdom ...... 202.00...... 16.73...... 6.49 ...... 2 7.22 7/2 7/10 U.S.S.RR...... 356.00...... 143.35...... 499.35 7/10 7/11 Italy...... 194.00 ...... 58.53...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (RT- D.C./Moscow/D.C.) ...... 5,163.69 ...... 5,163.69 AriW eiss ...... 7/1 7/10 U.S.S.R...... 395.00 ...... 143.35 ...... 538.85 7/10 7/11 Italy...... 194.00 ...... 58.53...... 252.53 Militarytransportation (RT- D.C./Moscow/O.C.) ...... 5,163.69 ...... 5,163.69 Perdiem constitutes lodging and meals. Ifforeign currency is used,enter U.S.dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used,enter amount expenied. THOMASS.FLIEY, Chainman, Aug.3, 1973.

REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, DELEGATION TOTHE PHILIPPINES ANDJAPAN, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 7AND JULY 12, 1983

Date Perdiem' Transportation Otherpurposes Total

SUS.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar NameolMember oremployee Country Foreignequivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency or U.S.= currency orU.S. 2 currency- currency- currency currency

GeorgeC. Eustaquio ...... 7/7 7/9 Philippines...... 1,650 150.00...... 1,650 150.00 AnaM. Rodriquez ...... 7/7 7/9 Philippines...... 1,650 150.00...... ,650 150.00 GeorgeC. Eustuquio ...... 7/9 7/12 Japan...... 84.591 351.00...... 84,951 351.00 AnaM. Rodrique ...... 7/9 7/12 Japan...... 84,591 351.00 ...... 84,5918...... 351.00 CommillCtolal ...... 1,002.00...... 1,002.00

Perdiem constitutes lodging and meals. SIforeign currency is used,enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used,enter amount expeided.. EUSTAQUIOJULY 22 1983

REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, MAJORITY LEADERSHIP DELEGATION TOVENEZUELA, U.S.HOUSE OFREPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 23 AND JULY25, 1983

Date Perdiem' Transportalion Otherpurposes Total NameMembero employee Counry U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar NameoMember oremployee rtueoreign ounry equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure currency or U.S. currency orU.S. currency or U.S. currency or U.S. currency- currency- currency' currency-

JimWWrigh right ...... 7/23 7/25/25 Venezeula...... eneeula321 ...... 3,219.55 2300...... 243.00...... 243.0024300 Militarytransportation...... 1.916.36...... 1,916.36 BillAlexander ...... 7/23 7/25 Venezeula...... 3,219.74 243.00...... 243.00 Militarytransportation ...... 1,916.36...... 1,916.36 RonaldColeman ...... 7/23 1/25 Venezeula...... 3,219.74 243.00 ...... 243.00 Militarytransportation ...... 1,916.36...... 1.916.36 30882 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983

Date Perdiem I Transportation Otherpurposes Total Nameof Member orepoyee Country US. dollar US.dollar U.Sdollar U.S.dollar ANamerrivalDeparture Country Foreignequivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency or U.S. curnency or U.S. currency o U.S. currency orU.S. currency- currency- currency- currency

Mickey teland ...... 1/23 7/25 Venezeula...... 3,219.74 243.00...... 243.00 Militarytransporlation ...... 1,916.36 ...... JohnMack ...... 7/23 7/25 Venezeula...... 3,219.74 243.00...... 243.00 Militarytransportation...... 1.916.36...... 1,916.36 ChrisMatthews ...... 7/23 7/25 Venezeula...... 3,219.74 243.00...... 243.00 Militarytransportation...... 1,916.36 ...... 1,916.36 KatherineMitchell...... 7/23 7/25 Venezeula...... 3,219.74 243.00...... 243.00 Militarytransportation...... 1,916.36...... 1,916.36 RichardPena ...... 7/23 7/25 Venezeula...... 3,219.74 243.00...... 243.00 Militarytransportation ...... 1,916.36...... 1,916.36 Committeetotal ...... 1,944.00...... 15,330.88...... 17,274.88

2'Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. I1foreign currency is used,enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used,enter amount expended. JIMWRIGHT, Aug. 24, 1983.

REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, MAJORITY LEADERSHIP DELEGATION TOJAPAN, CHINA, SINGAPORE, MALAYSIA, ANDTAIWAN, U.S.HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,EXPENDED BETWEEN AUG. 5AND AUG. 18, 1983

Date Perdiem r Transportation Otherpurposes Total

Nameof Memberor employee Country U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar NameArrival Departure untry Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency orU.S. currency or 2 U.S.2 currency orU.S. currency or U.S.2 currency currency currencye currency

JamesC. W right, Jr...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 450.00...... 86.68 ...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 China...... 108.00 ...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 Militaryair transport (RT) ...... 8,752.62...... 8,752.62 DanteFascell ...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 450.00...... 86.68...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 China...... 10 .00 ...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 Militaryair transport (RT) _...... 8,752.62...... 8,752.62 JohnPaul Hammerschmidt ...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 450.00...... 86.68...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 China...... 108.00 ...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13 ...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 MilitMT) ...... 8,75262 ...... 8,752.62 SteveSolarz...... Militaryair transportfrom Andrews to Tokyo...... 2,249.912249 ...... 2,249.91 only. SherwoodBoehlert ...... 8 6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 450.00...... 86.68 ...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 China...... 108.00 ...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 Militaryair transport (RT) ...... 8,752.62...... 8,752.62 HarryReid ...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 450.00...... 86.68...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 China...... 108.00 ...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 Militaryair transport(RT) ...... 8,752.62...... 8,752.62 LarrySmith ...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 11,250 450.004586 ...... 6..53610,250.00 8/9 8/11 China...... 108.00...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.000...... 10,055 250.00 Militaryair transport ...... 8,752.62...... 8,752.62 JackRuss...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 450.00...... 86.68 ...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 China...... 10800 ...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 Militaryair ransprt ...... 8,752.62...... 875262 MarshallLynam...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 450.00...... 86.68...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 China...... 108.00 ...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 Militaryair transport ...... 8,52.622...... 8752.62 AnnePage ...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 45000 ...... 86.68...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 China...... 108.00...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 Militaryair transport...... 8,752.62...... 8,752.62 MargeYoungblood ...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 450.00...... 86.68...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 China...... 108.00 ...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 Militaryair transport...... 8,752.62...... 8,752.62 JanetMoore...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 450.00...... 86.68...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 China...... 108.00 ...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00 ...... 10,055 250.00 MiMti ...... 8,752.62...... 8,752.62 PaulDriskell ...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 450.00...... 86.68...... 536.68 8/9 8/1 China...... 108.00 ...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 6413 ...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 MilitaryairM ...... 8,752.62...... 8,752.62 NicholasMasters ...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 110,250 450.00...... 86.68 ...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 Chinah ...... 108.00 ...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 644 302.00...... 64.13 ...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30883 November 3,1983

Dale Perdiem' Transprtation Otherpurposes Total U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar Nameof Memberor employee eparureCountry Foreign equivalen Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arival Departure currency orU.S. 2 currency orU.S. 2 currency orU.S. 2 currency orU.S. 2 currency currency currency currency Military air transport...... 8 52.62...... 8,752.62 VanceHydman...... 8/6 8/9 Japan...... 10250 450.00 ...... 86.68...... 536.68 8/9 8/11 China...... 108.00...... 108.00 8/11 8/13 Singapore...... 6...44 302.00...... 64.13...... 366.13 8/13 8/15 Taiwan...... 10,055 250.00...... 10,055 250.00 Military air transport ...... 8,752 2 ...... 8,752.62

IPer diem constitutes lodging and meals. ItIforeign currency is used,enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used,enter amount expended. JIMWRIGHT, Oct.21, 1983.

REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, DELEGATION TOSPAIN, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN SEPT. 6AND SEPT. 11, 1983

Dale Perdiem' Transportation Otherpurposes Total U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar ame o Memberr employee Country Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival eparture currency or U.S. currency or U.S2 currency or U.S. currency or U.S. currency' currency currency2 currency-

Mr.R n Klain...... 9/7 9/11 Spain...... 300.00...... 1,877.08...... 2,177.08 ack Russ...... 9/6 9/11 Spain...... 375.00...... 2 332.16...... 2,707.16 Ms.Catherine Abernathy...... 9/6 9/11 Spain...... 37500 ...... 2332.16...... 2,707.16 SalaBurton...... 9/6 9/11 Spain...... 375.00...... 2,332.16...... 2,707.16 WilliamM. Thomas...... 9/6 9/11 Spain...... 375.00 ...... 2,332.16...... 2,70.16 '2Per diem consiltutes lodging and meals. Ifforeign currency is used, enter U.S. dollar equivalent; ifU.S. currency is used, enter amount expended. WILLIAMMTHOMAS, Oct.18, 1983.

REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, PATRICIA 0.BRADLEY, U.S.HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN AUG. 6AND AUG. 21, 1983

Date Perdiem ' Transportation Otherpurposes Total U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar Nameof Memberor employee Country Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure currency orUS. 2 currency orUS. 2 currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency currency currency2 currency Patricia0. Bradley ...... 8/6 324.00...... 8/9 324.00...... 8/12 8/9 Mexico...... 216.00...... 8/14 8/12 Peru...... 476.00...... 8/14 Bolivia...... 426.00...... 8/18 8/18 Colombia...... 8/21 Jamaica...... Total...... 39 1.27 ...... 1,766.00

'Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 21Iforeign currency is used,enter U.S. dollar equivalent, it U.S. currency is used,enter amount expended. 'Military transportation. PATRICIA0.BRADLEY, Sept. 27, 1983.

REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, PHILIP COLE FINEGAN, U.S.HOUSE OFREPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN AUG. 6AND AUG 16, 1983

Dale Perdiem' Transportation Otherpurposes Total U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar Nameof Memberor employee Country Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency orU.S. 2 currency orU.S. 2 currency' currency' currency currency

P.C Finegan...... 8/6 8/9 Brazil...... 188.110 352.00...... 8/9 8/13 Peru...... 548,550 350.00...... 8/13 8/16 Ecuador...... 14,448 150.00...... 150.00U...... Total...... 1,50.00 ...... Total...... 1,002.00......

'Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. currency used,enter amount expended.C. F ,S t 2I foreigncurrency is used,enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. is P.C. FINEGAN, Sept.6, 1903.

REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, HON. JAMES D. FORD, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN JULY 1AND JULY 10, 1983

Date Perdiem Transportation Otherpurposes Total U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar Nameof Memberor employee Counlry Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency orU.S. 2 2 currency' currency currency currency2

ames David Ford ...... 7/1 7/5 France...... 3, 15 500.00...... 904.00...... 1,404.00 7/5 7/7 Austria...... 3,609.75 202.00...... 202.00 7/7 7/10 Italy...... 590,536 388.00...... 388.00 Total...... 1,090.00 ...... 904.00 ...... 1,994.00

I2 Per diem constitutes lodging and meals. 11foreign currency is used,enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used,enter amount expended. JAMESD.FORD, Aug. 3, 1983. 30884 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, ALVIN FROM, U.S. HOUSE OFREPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDEDBETWEEN AUG. 30 ANDSEPT. 9,1983

Date Perdiem' Transportation Otherpurposes Total U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar Nameof Memberor employee Country Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency or U.S. currency' currency' currency' currency'

AlvnFrom ...... 8/31/31 9/3/3 Germany...... Germany04.20 1045.20 20 390.00390 ...... 9/3 9/6 France...... 3,134.7 0 387.00...... 9/6 9/6 Brussels...... NA...... 9/6 9/9 England...... 278.96 417.00...... 3,518.24 135.18 135.18...... Total...... 1,19 4.0 0 ...... 3,5 8.24 ...... 135.18 ......

SPer2 diem constitutes lodging and meals. I foreigncurrency is used,enter US. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used,enter amount expended. SMilitaryair transportation. ALVINFROM, Oct. 10, 1983.

REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, AUBREY McCUTCHEON, U.S.HOUSE OFREPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDEDBETWEEN AUG. 5AND AUG. 12, 1983

Date Perdiem Transportation Otherpurposes Total U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar Nameof Member or employee Country Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Arrival Departure currency or U.S currency or U.S. currency or U.S. currency or U.S. currency' currency' currency' currency'

AubreyMcCutcheon ...... 8/6 8/12 U.S.S.R...... 2,497.00...... Receivedin U nited States before departure...... 311.50 ...... Receivedin Leningrad ...... 66 86.11...... Paidto hotelin Leningrad ...... 76 99.15...... Receivedin M oscow ...... Paidto hotelin Moscow...... 429.53...... TotalTot...... 2,497.00......

Perdiem constitutes lodging and meals. 2If foreign currency is used,enter U.S. dollar equivalent: if US currencyis used,enter amount expended. 'TheCongressional Travel Office at the U.S.State Department has advisedus to submitthis incomplete report until they are able to confirmthe exactamount dispersed in Moscowby the U.S.Embassy there. Unlike the Embassyin Leningradthe Moscow Embassy did not provide travel advance applications or a cablereporting charges to thecongressional account such as thoseattached. Ms. Terry Patton with Congressional Travel at State advisesthat the Moscow Embassy hasnot provided such information since January 1983. Please advise us if reimbursementof any overpayment isrequired. AUBREYMcCUTCHEON, Sept.12, 1983.

REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, L.KIRK O'DONNELL, U.S.HOUSE OFREPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDEDBETWEEN AUG. 8AND AUG. 9, 1983

Date Perdiem' Transportation Otherpurposes Total

Nameof Memberor employee Country U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar Arrival Departure Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency' currency' currency' currency'

L.Kirk O'Donnell...... 8/8 8/9 Honduras...... 75.00...... 631.00...... 0...... 706.00

'Perdiem constitutes lodging and meals. SIfforeign currency is used,enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used.enter amount expended. L.KIRK O'DONNELL, Aug.9, 1983.

REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, JEFFREY PRYCE, U.S.HOUSE OFREPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDEDBETWEEN AUG. 14 AND AUG. 18, 1983

Date Perdiem' Transportation Otherpurposes Total Nameno Member or employee Country U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar Nameof Memberor empoyee epartureCountry oreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency or U.S. currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency' currency' currency' currency'

JeffreyPryce...... 8/14 8/16 ElSalvador...... 592.50 150.00...... 8/16 8/18 Nicaragua...... 15000 ...... 698.93...... 998.93

xPer diem constitutes lodging and meals. 2It foreigncurrency is used,enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S.currency is used,enter amount expended. JEFFREYPRYCE, Sept. 16, 1983. NovemberCONGRESSIONAL 3,1983 RECORD-HOUSE 30885 REPORTOFEXPENDITURES FOROFFICIAL FOREIGN TRAVEL, PAUL M. SNYDER, U.S.HOUSE OFREPRESENTATIVES, EXPENDED BETWEEN AUG. 14 AND AUG.29, 1983

Date Perdiem' Transportation Otherpurposes Total U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar U.S.dollar Nameof Member oremployee Country Foreign equivalentForeign equivalentforeign equivalent Foreign equivalent currency orU.S. 2 currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency orU.S. currency currency2 currency2 currency2

PaulM. S yder...... 8/15 8/18 SouthKorea...... 229310 291.00...... 291.00 8/18 8/23 People'sRepublic ofChina ...... 738.99 375.00...... 375.00 8/23 8/26 Thailand...... 5,358.50 234.00...... 234.00 Proratedshare of travel for entire trip...... 10783.99...... 10,783.99 Total...... 900.00...... 10,783.99...... 11,683.99

'Perdiem constitutes lodging and meals. SII foreigncurrency is used,enter U.S. dollar equivalent; if U.S. currency is used,enter amount expended. PAULM. SNYDER, Oct. 19. 1983.

EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATIONS,other purposes (Rept.No. 98-473). Referred [Omittedfrom the Record of October 31, toETC. the Committee of the Whole House on 1983] the Under clause 2 ofState rule ofXXIV, the Union. execu- SUBSEQUENT ACTION ON A RE- Mr. WHITTEN: Committee on Appropria- PORTED BILL SEQUENTIALLY tive communicationstions. H.R.were 4293. taken A from bill making supplemental REFERRED the Speaker's tableappropriations and referred for as the fol- fiscal year ending lows: September 30, 1984, and for other purposes Under clause 5 of rule X,the follow- 2091. A letter from(Rept. theNo. Principal 98-474). Deputy Referred to the Commit- ing action was taken by the Speaker: Assistant Secretarytee of of the the Navy Whole (Shipbuild- House on the State of the Committee on Foreign Affairs discharged ing and Logistics),Union. transmitting notice of from further consideration of H.R. 2848, re- the Navy's decision toMr. convert UDALL: to contractorCommittee on Interior and ferred to the Committee of the Whole performance the custodialInsular Affairs. services H.R. function 2211. A bill to exempt House on the State of the Union, and or- at the Naval Hospital,rural electricJacksonville, cooperatives Fla., from certain dered to be printed. pursuant to sectionright-of-way 502(b) of Public rental Law payments 96- under the 342; to the CommitteeFederal on Armed Land Services.Policy and Management Act PUBLIC BILLS AND 2092. A letter fromof 1976,the Principal and for Deputy other purposes; with Assistant Secretary of the Navy (Shipbuild- RESOLUTIONS ing and Logistics),amendments transmitting (Rept. noticeNo. 98-475).of Referred to Under clause 5 of rule X and clause the Navy's decisionthe to Committeeconvert to contractorof the Whole House on the 4 of rule XXII, public bills and resolu- performance the Statemotor of vehicle the Union. operations tions were introduced and severally re- and maintenance functionMr. UDALL: at theCommittee Naval on Interior and ferred as follows: Insular Affairs. H.R. 2982. A bill to exempt Shipyard, Philadelphia, Pa. pursuant to sec- By Mr.WHITTEN: tion 502(b) of Publicirrigation Law conveyance96-342; to systemsthe from fees and conditions under the Federal Land Policy H.R. 4293. A bill making supplemental ap- Committee on Armed Services. propriations for the fiscal year ending Sep- Act of 1976, and for other 2093. A letter fromand Managementthe Secretary of the tem'ber 30, 1984,and for other purposes. Interior, transmittingpurposes; notice with of aan leasingamendment (Rept. No. By Mr. EDGAR (for himself, Mr. system for the OCS98-476). Oil andReferred Gas Sale to theNo. Committee of the ROWLAND, Mr. SHUSTER, Mr. MONT- 73-Central California,Whole scheduled House on to the be Stateheld of the Union. GOMERY,Mr. HAMMERSCHMIDT, Mr. on November 30, 1983,Mr. toBROOKS: be published Committee in on Govern- EDWARDS of California, Mr. WYLIE, the Federal Register,ment pursuantOperations, to sectionHUD is not adequately Mr. SAM B. HALL, JR., Mr. HILLIS, 8(a)(8) of the Outerpreserving Continental subsidized Shelf multifamily housing Mr. APPLEGATE, Mr. SOLOMON, Mr. Lands Act, as amended;(Rept. No.to the 98-477). Committee Referred to the Commit- LEATH of Texas, Mr. MCEWEN, Mr. on Interior and Insulartee of Affairs. the Whole House on the State of the SHELBY, Mr. SMITH of New Jersey, 2094. A letter fromUnion. the Attorney General Mr. MICA, Mr. DENNY SMITH, Mr. of the United States,Mr. transmitting SMITH of aIowa: report Committee of Con- DASCHLE, Mr. GRAMM, Mr. DOWDY of of all persons uponference. whom theConference President reporthas on H.R. 3222 Mississippi, Mr. BURTON of Indiana, conferred the Young(Rept. AmericanNo. 98-478). Medal Ordered for to be printed. Mr. MARTINEZ, Mr. SUNDQUIST, Mr. Bravery, pursuant toMr. section DINGELL: 5, chapter Committee 520 on Energy and EVANS of Illinois, Mr. BILIRAKIS, Ms. of the act of AugustCommerce. 3,1950; to H.R. the 4102.Commit- A bill to amend the KAPTUR, Mrs. JOHNSON, Mr. HARRI- tee on the Judiciary.Communications Act of 1934 to assure uni- SON, Mr. MOLLOHAN, Mr. PENNY, Mr. 2095. A letter fromversal the telephone Comptroller service Gen- within the United STAGGERS, Mr. SLATTERY, Mr. eral of the United States, transmitting the an BRYANT, Mr. RICHARDSON, Mr. States, and for othereval- purposes; with fifth annual reportamendment on the review (Rept. andNo. 98-479). Referred to THOMAS of Georgia, Mr. HATCHER, uation of methodology used by the Depart- Mr. RAY, Mr. LEVITAS, Mr. FOWLER, ment of the Interiorthe in Committee allowing oil of and the gasWhole House on the State of the Union. Mr. GINGRICH, Mr. JENKINS, Mr. BAR- wells on the Outer ContinentialMr. MONTGOMERY: Shelf to be Committee on Vet- NARD, Mr. BORSKI, Mr. CLINGER, Mr. shut in or to flareerans' natural Affairs. gas, pursuant H.R. 2629. to A bill to direct the COUGHLIN, Mr. COYNE, Mr. FOGLI- section 601(b) ofAdministrator the Outer Continentalof Veterans' Affairs to ETTA,Mr. GAYDOS, Mr. GEKAS, Mr. Shelf Lands Act Amendmentsmodify the of reversionary 1978; Joint- interest of the GOODLING, Mr. GRAY, Mr. KOLTER, ly,to the Committees on Government Oper- Mr. KOSTMAYER, Mr. MCDADE, Mr. ations and InteriorUnited and Insular States Affairs. in certain lands previously conveyed to the State of California for the MURPHY, Mr. MURTHA, Mr. RIDGE, use of the University of California (Rept. Mr. RITTER, Mr. SCHULZE, Mr. WAL- No. 98-480). Referred to the Committee of GREN,Mr. WALKER, and Mr. YATRON): REPORTS OF COMMITTEES ON H.R. 4294. A bill to name the Veterans' the Whole House on the State of the Union. PUBLIC BILLS AND RESOLU- Administration Medical Center in Altoona, TIONS Mr. MONTGOMERY: Committee on Vet- Pa., the "James E. Van Zandt Veterans' Ad- erans' Affairs. H. 4294. A bill to name the ministration Medical Center," and to name Under clause 2Veterans' of rule AdministrationXIII, reports Medical Center in of committees were delivered to the the Veterans' Administration Medical Altoona, Pa., the "James E. Van Zandt Vet- Center in Dublin, Ga., the "Carl Vinson Vet- Clerk for printingerans' and Administration reference to theMedical Center," and erans' Administration Medical Center"; to proper calendar,to as name follows: the Veterans' Administration Medi- the Committee on Veterans' Affairs. Mr. WHITTEN: calCommittee Center in on Dublin, Appropria- Ga., the "Carl Vinson By Mr. WIRTH: tions. House Joint Veterans'Resolution Administration 403. Joint res- Medical Center" H.R. 4295. A bill to amend the Communi- olution making further(Rept. No.continuing 98-481). appro-Referred to the House cations Act of 1934 to assure universal tele- priations for the Calendar.fiscal year 1984, and for phone service within the United States, and

11-059 0-87-17 (Pt.22) 30886 CC)NGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE November 3,1983 for other purposes; to the Committee on By Mr. HANCE (for himself, Mr. agency from using funds to dispose of the Energy and Commerce. VANDER JAGT, Mr. CAMPBELL, Mr. Naval Arctic Research Laboratory near By Mr. MACKAY (for himself, Mr. DE SCHULZE, and Mr. WHEAT): Barrow, Alaska, except under certain cir- LA GARZA, Mr. COELHO, Mr. MATSUI, H.R. 4305. A bill to amend the Internal cumstances; to the Committee on Armed Mr. HANCE, Mr. BENNETT, Mr. CHAP- Revenue Code of 1954 to allow individuals a Services. PELL, Mr. FUQUA, Mr. PEPPER, Mr. PA- credit against income tax for expenses paid By Mr.MICA: NETTA, Mr. SUNIA, Mr. LEWIS of Flor- or incurred for services for preparing any in- H. Con. Res. 206. Concurrent resolution to ida, Mr. THOMAS of California, Mr. dividual income tax return; to the Commit- express the sense of the Congress regarding LEHMAN of California, Mr. HUTTO, tee on Ways and Means. the return to Cuba of Cuban nationals, cap- Mr. LAGOMARSINO,Mr. IRELAND,Mr. By Mr. HUNTER: tured by the U.S. Armed Forces in Grenada; SMITH of Florida,Mr. BILIRAKIS, Mr. H.R. 4306. A bill to provide annuity bene- to the Committee on Foreign Affairs. McCOLLUM, Mr. HORTON, and Mr. fits under the military survivor benefit plan By Mr. SOLARZ (for himself, Mr. NELSON of Florida): to the surviving spouses of military retirees PRITCHARD, Mr. BROOMFIELD, Mr. ZA- H.R. 4296. A bill to amend the Tariff who died before September 21, 1972, but BLOCKI,Mr. PORTER, Mr. WALGREN, Schedules of the United States to establish after their discharge or release from active Mr. FRANK, Mr. MATSUI, Mr. LOWERY equal and equitable classification and duty duty; to the Committee on Armed Services. of California, Mr. WINN, Mr. HARRI- rates for certain imported citrus products; By Mr. KASTENMEIER (for himself, SON, Mr. SMITH of Florida, Mr. WON to the Committee on Ways and Means. Mr. MOORHEAD,Mr. BROOKS, Mr. PAT, Mr. MORRISON of Connecticut, By Mr. ASPIN (for himself, Mr. MAZZOLI, Mr. SYNAR, Mrs. SCHROE- Mr. KINDNESS, Ms. KAPTUR, Mr. STOKES, Mr. WOLPE, Mr. FLORIO, Mr. DER,Mr. GLICKMAN, Mr. FRANK, Mr. WEBER, Mr. HOYER, Mr. LAGOMAR- GARCIA, Mr. TALLON, Ms. KAPTUR, MORRISON of Connecticut, Mr. SINO, Mr. HUGHES, Mr. LANTOS, Mr. Mr. DURBIN, Mr. KILDEE, Mr. FOR- BERMAN, Mr. HYDE, Mr. KINDNESS, WORTLEY, MS. MIKULSKI, Mr. BEIL- SYTHE, Mr. BEDELL, Mr. VENTO, Mr. Mr. SAWYER, Mr. DEWINE, Mr. ENSON,Mr. DAUB, Mr. ZSCHAU, Mr. WEAVER, Mr. PORTER, Mr. MOODY, LOWRY of Washington, and Mr. SI- SCHEUER, Mr. FAZIO, Mrs. HALL of In- Mr. MCNULTY, and Mr.PETRI): KORSKI): that local gov- diana, Mr. BARNES, and Mr. FROST): H.R. 4297. A bill to require H.R. 4307. A bill to amend section 3006A H. Con. Res. 207. Concurrent resolution ernment emergency personnel be notified in of title 18, United States Code, to improve expressing sympathy and condolence on the advance of the shipment of high-level nucle- the delivery of legal services in the criminal tragic killing of Koreans in Burma; to the ar waste through local government jurisdic- justice system to those persons financially Committee on Foreign Affairs. tions; jointly, to the Committees on Energy unable to obtain adequate representation, and Commerce and Interior and Insular Af- By Mr. LONG of Louisiana: and for other purposes; to the Committee H. Res. 361. Resolution designating mem- fairs. on the Judiciary. By Mr.BROWN of Colorado: bership on certain standing committees of By Mr. KOLTER: the House; considered and agreed to. H.R. 4298. A bill to amend the Internal H.R. 4308. A bill granting the consent of Revenue Code of 1954 to provide for a the Congress to an interstate compact for refund of Federal, State,and local taxes im- of a feasibility study for the the preparation AND posed with respect to the production of any development of a system of high-speed PRIVATE BILLS property in lieu of the regular investment intercity rail passenger service; to the Com- RESOLUTIONS tax credit; to the Committee on Ways and mittee on the Judiciary. Under clause 1 of rule XXII, private Means. By Mr. NEAL. By Mr. BRYANT (for himself, Mr. bills and resolutions were introduced H.R. 4309. A bill to direct the Secretary of and severally referred as follows: FROST, Mr. MATSUI, Mr. MCNULTY, Commerce to approve and distribute to food and Mr. ANDER- Mr. VANDERGRIFF, service operations instructions for removing By Mr. FRANKLIN: SON): has become lodged in a person's H.R. 4314. A bill for the relief of Johnnie H.R. 4299. A bill entitled: "The Cable Con- food which on Energy and P. Shackelford; to the Committee on the Ju- sumer Protection Act of 1983"; to the Com- throat; to the Committee Commerce, diciary. Energy and Commerce. mittee on By Mr. REID: By Mr. HIGHTOWER: By Mr. SIMON (for himself, Mr. AN- H.R. 4310. A bill to exempt individuals H.R. 4315. A bill for the relief of Louis C. DREWS of North Carolina, Mr. Stas; to the Committee on the Judiciary. MURPHY, Mr. SMITH of Florida, Mr. currently employed as U.S. Department of MARRIOTT, Mr. SHAW, Mr. FAZIO, Mr. Energy security inspectors from the physi- the ANDREWs of Texas, Mr. OTTINGER, cal fitness requirements promulgated by Mr. SISISKY, and Mr. NELSON of Department of Energy in chapter IV of U.S. ADDITIONAL SPONSORS Florida): Department of Energy Order 5632 and from Under clause 4 of rule XXII, spon- H.R. 4300. A bill to amend the Juvenile any other physical fitness requirements pro- mulgated by the Department of Energy; to sors were added to public bills and res- Justice and Delinquency Prevention Act of olutions as follows: 1974 to provide for assistance in locating the Committee on Energy and Commerce. missing children and to authorize appro- By Mr.RUSSO: H.R. 100: Mr. HAYES. priations for the fiscal years 1985 through H.R. 4311. A bill to provide that no inter- H.R. 507: Mr. BONER of Tennessee, Mr. 1988; to the Committee on Education and est or penalties shall be assessed or collected SILJANDER, Mr. BILIRAKIS, Mr. MINISH, and Labor. with respect to tax attributable to a home Mr. WAXMAN. By Mr. COUGHLIN: which was won in a local radio contest and H.R. 568: Mr. GILMAN. H.R. 4301. A bill to amend title 18 of the which was specially designed for a handi- H.R. 656: Mr. SAVAGE,Mr. BONER of Ten- United States Code to provide penalties for capped foster child of the taxpayer; to the nessee, Mr. BROWN of California, and Mr. certain computer-related crime; to the Com- Committee on Ways and Means. SIKORSKI. mittee on the Judiciary. By Mr. THOMAS of California (for H.R. 750: Mr. MCCURDY. By Mr. PHILIP M. CRANE: himself and Mr. LEWIs of Califor- H.R. 1031: Mr. GLICKMAN. H.R. 4302. A bill to amend the Safe Drink- nia): H.R. 1219: Mr. SABO. ing Water Act to provide that the exemp- H.R. 4312. A bill to amend section 47 of H.R. 1405: Mr. NATCHER and Mr. GEKAS. tions provided with respect to barium shall title 18 of the United States Code to permit H.R. 1434: Mr. BADHAMand Mr. TALLON. not terminate prior to the completion of the use of aircraft and motor vehicles to H.R. 1743: Mr. HAYES, Mr. NOWAK, Mr. health studies by the Environmental Pro- capture certain wild horses and burros on COELHO, Mr. DIXON, Mr. CROCKETT, Mr. tection Agency; to the Committee on lands administered by the National Park SAVAGE,Mr. WHEAT, Mr. OWENS, Mrs. COL- Energy and Commerce. Service or by the Navy; to the Committee LINS, Mr. RANGEL, Mr. GRAY, Mr. TOWNS, By Mr. FLORIO (for himself and Mr. on the Judiciary. Mr.YOUNG of Missouri, Mr. RAHALL, and Mr. ECKART): By Mr.WISE: GEJDENSON. H.R. 4303. A bill to amend the Toxic Sub- H.R. 4313. A bill to amend title XVIII of H.R. 1961: Mr. MCEWEN. stances Control Act to provide a Federal the Social Security Act to limit medicare re- H.R. 2053: Mr. KEMP. cause of action for damages caused by toxic imbursement to hospitals and other provid- H.R. 2116: Mr. MAVROULES, Mr. LUKEN, substances; to the Committee on Energy ers of services for legal fees; jointly, to the Mr. DOWNEY of New York, and Mr. DYSON. and Commerce. Committees on Energy and Commerce and H.R. 2133: Mr. MINETA, Mr. CONTE, Mr. H.R. 4304. A bill to amend the Toxic Sub- Ways and Means. BEDELL, Mr. BOEHLERT, Mr. BILIRAKIS, Mr. stances Control Act to improve and simplify By Mr. YOUNG of Alaska: GONZALEZ, Mr. BRITT, Mr. NOWAK, Mr. the regulation of toxic substances; to the H.J. Res. 409. Joint resolution to prohibit ECKART, Mr. IRELAND,Mr. MAVROULES,Mr. Committee on Energy and Commerce. the Department of the Navy or any Federal SAVAGE, and Mr. MAZZOLI. November 3, 1983 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUSE 30887 H.R. 2584: Mr. HORTON, Mr. GONZALEZ, Mr. H.J. Res. 100: Mr. GRAMM, Mr. HILLIS, and BEREUTER, Mr. ORTIZ, Mr. AUCoIN, and Mr. FROST, Mr.MARRIOTT, and Mr. HARRISON. Mr. OXLEY. KOGOVSEK. H.R. 2817: Mr. D'AMOURS, Mr. STOKES, Mr. H.J. Res. 103: Mr. BARTLETT, and Mr. H.J. Res. 389: Mr. D'AMOURS and Mr. NICHOLS, Mr. BIAGGI, Mr. RICHARDSON, Mr. THOMAS of California. HOYER. OTTINGER, Mr. SKELTON, Mr. FAZIO, Mr. H.J. Res. 236: Mr. DYSON, Mr. PATTERSON, H.J. Res. 404: Mr. BADHAM, Mrs. HOLT, Mr. BONKER, Mr. OWENS, and Mr. COYNE. Mr. SKELTON, Mr. OTTINGER, Mr. PANETTA, HARTNETT, and Mr. O'BRIEN. H.R. 2956: Mr. MATSUI. Mr. COELHO, Mr. APPLEGATE,Mr. MICA, Mr. H.J. Res. 408: Mr. ACKERMAN, Mr. AN- H.R. 2977: Mr. BOEHLERT. BURTON of Indiana, Mr.MILLER of Ohio, Mr. DREWS of Texas, Mr. ANNUNZIO, Mr. ARCHER, H.R. 3050: Mr. WOLF. FOGLIETTA, and Mr. KOSTMAYER. Mr. AUCOIN, Mr. BEILENSON, Mrs. BOXER, H.R. 3077: Mr. HUTTO. H.J. Res. 253: Mr. ANNUNZIO, Mr. WORT- Mrs. BURTON of California, Mr. CARR, Mr. H.R. 3078: Mr. HUTTO. LEY, Mr. HAWKINS, Mrs. LLOYD, Mr. BIAGGI, CHAPPELL, Mr. CLARKE, Mr. COLEMAN of H.R. 3257: Mr. RUDD, Mr. RAY, Mr. CHAN- Mr. AKAKA, Mr. PORTER, Mr. HAYES, Mr. Texas, Mr. DANIEL, Mr. ERDREICH, Mr. FAS- DLER, and Mr. SAWYER. LANTOS,Mr. LIPINSKI, Mr. DENNY SMITH, CELL,Mr. FRANK, Mr. GILMAN, Mr. GRADI- H.R. 3264: Mr. MINISH and Mr. ERDREICH. Mr. MOLLOHAN, Mr. LOWERY of California, SON, Mr. KASTENMEIER, Mr. KOGOVSEK, Mr. H.R. 3336: Mr. HUGHES. Mr. WHITEHURST, Mr. DANNEMEYER, Mr. LANTOS, Mr. LEHMAN of Florida, Mr. LENT, H.R. 3380: Mr.MCCANDLESS. ARCHER, Mr. ROWLAND, Mr. BONER of Ten- Mr. LEVIN of Michigan, Mr. LOWERY of Cali- H.R. 3651: Mr. BADHAM and Mr. SCHAEFER. nessee, Mr. Bosco, Mr. BEDELL, Mr. GRAMM, fornia, Mr. MCCAIN, Mr. MCDADE, Mr. H.R. 3668: Mr. FISH, Mr. CRAIG, Mr. NIEL- Mr. BARTLETT, Mr.BROOKS, Mr. DELUGO, Mr. MCHUGH, Mr. MACKAY, Mr. MATSUI, Mr. SON of Utah, Mr. BARNARD, and Mr. MOOR- FOLEY, Mr.GRAY, and Mr. FISH. MAZZOLI, Mr. MOODY, Mr. PORTER, Mr. RIN- HEAD. H.J. Res. 336: Mr. LUNDINE, Mr. FORSYTHE, ALDO, Mr. SABO, Mr. SCHEUER, Mr. SOLARZ, H.R. 3711: Mr. MORRISON of Connecticut. Mr. GRADISON, Mr. HANSEN of Utah, Mr. Mr. STOKES, Mr. TORRES, Mr. WINN, Mr. H.R. 3783: Mr.DYSON. YOUNG of Alaska, Mr. SAM B. HALL, JR., Mr. WORTLEY, Mr. YATES, Mr. TALLON, Mr. H.R. 3790: Mr.PATTERSON. WALGREN,Mr, PEPPER, Mr. MARRIOTT, Mr. WIRTH, Mr. WON PAT, Mr. WYDEN, Mr. H.R. 3870: Mr. MCCLOSKEY and Ms. FER- FUQUA, Mr. DYSON, Mr. DAVIS, Mr. MILLER MOAKLEY, Mr. YOUNG of Alaska, Mr. RARO. of Ohio, Mr. MONTGOMERY, Mrs. VUCANO- BOLAND,and Mr.DIXON. H.R. 4016: Mr. EVANS of Illinois, Mr. DYM- VICH, Mr. MCDADE, Mr. FORD of Michigan, H. Con. Res. 123: Mr. STARK and Mr. ALLY, Mr. BARNES, Mr. MARTINEZ, MS. FER- Mr. KEMP, Mr. CONTE, Mr. BIAGGI, Mr. AL- PENNY. RARO,and Ms. MIKULSKI. BOSTA,Mr. ARCHER, Mr. DAUB, Mr. GRAY, Mr. H. Con. Res. 177: Mr. ACKERMAN, Mr. AD- H.R. 4017: Mr. JACOBS, Mr. LELAND, Mr. MOAKLEY, Mr. ORTIZ, Mr. MATSUI, Mr. CON- DABBO,Mr. AKAKA,Mr. ALEXANDER,Mr. AN- MILLER of California, Mr. FRANK, Mr. FREN- ABLE,Mr. LEVIN of Michigan, Mr. VENTO, Mr. DREWSof Texas, Mr. ARCHER, Mr. AUCOIN, ZEL,Mr. VENTO, Mr. DANIELS, and Mr. MAR- RUDD, Mr. MRAZEK, Mr. HUCKABY, Mr. FOGLI- Mr. BARNARD,Mr. BARNES, Mr. BARTLETT, TINEZ. ETTA,Mr. KILDEE, Mr. AKAKA, Mr. ANDREWS Mr. BATEMAN, Mr. BATES, Mr. BEDELL, Mr. H.R. 4043: Mr. NELSON of Florida. of Texas, Mr. CARPER, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. BEILENSON, Mr. BEREUTER, Mr. BERMAN, Mr. H.R. 4052: Mr.RICHARDSON. FAUNTROY, Mr. EDWARDS of California, Mr. BLILEY, Mr. BOLAND,Mr. BONER of Tennes- H.R. 4078: Mr.DORGAN. BARNES, Mr. WOLF, Mr. LUNGREN, Mrs.JOHN- see, Mr. BONIOR of Michigan, Mr. BONKER, H.R. 4093: Mr. RINALDO, Ms. OAKAR, Mr. SON, Mr. ROBINSON, Mr. MCCAIN, Ms. Mr. BORSKI, Mr. Bosco, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. DWYER of New Jersey, Mr.SMITH of Florida, KAPTUR, Mr. LIPINSKI, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. BRITT, Mr. BROWN of California, Mr. BROWN Mr. HIGHTOWER, Mr. TOWNS, Mr. RATCH- GILMAN, Mr. WOLPE, Mr. MOODY, Mr. OTTIN- of Colorado, Mr. BROYHILL, Mr. BURTON of FORD, Mr. ACKERMAN,Mr. ADDABBO,Mr. GER, Mr. RICHARDSON, Mr. RITTER, Mr. Indiana, Mrs. BURTON of California, Mr. GEKAS, Mr. WORTLEY, and Mr. FORSYTHE. WORTLEY, Mr. ARCHER, Mr. ALEXANDER, Mr. CARNEY, Mr. CARPER, Mr. CARR, Mr. CHAPPIE, H.R. 4098: Mr. FORSYTHE, Mr. SKELTON, LEWIS of Florida, Mr. FLORIO, Mr. HEFNER, Mr. CHENEY, Mr. CLARKE,Mr. CONYERS, Mr. and Mrs. HALL of Indiana. Mr. BARTLETT, Mr. BROYHILL, Mr. CARR, Mr. CORCORAN,Mr. COUGHLIN, Mr. COURTER, Mr. H.R. 4102: Mr. HARRISON, Mr. ANDREWS of WEISS, Mr. MOLLOHAN, Mr. COATS, Mr. ACK- COYNE, Mr. Daniel B. CRANE, Mr. DAUB, Mr. North Carolina, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. KOLTER, ERMAN, Mr. ANTHONY, Mr. BOUCHER, Mr. DAVIS, Mr. DE LA GARZA,Mr. DELLUMS, Mr. Mr. OBERSTAR, and Mr. EVANS of Illinois. DUNCAN, Mr. SIMON, Mr. SHELBY, and Mr. DONNELLY, Mr. DOWDY of Mississppi, Mr. H.R. 4105: Mr. HARKIN, Mrs. SMITH of Ne- SMITH of New Jersey. DOWNEY of New York, Mr. DREIER of Cali- braska, and Mrs. COLLINS. H.J. Res. 369: Mr. DENNY SMITH, Mr. fornia, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. DWYER of New H.R. 4158: Mr. BATEMAN, Mr. DAUB, Mr. WHITEHURST, Mr. KASICH, Mr. MCGRATH, Jersey, Mr. DYSON, Mr. ECKART, Mr. EDGAR, DEWINE, Mr. FORSYTHE, Mr. FROST, Mr. Mr. FROST, Mr. RITTER, Mr. MCCAIN, Mr. Mr. EDWARDS of California, Mr. EDWARDS of GILMAN, Mr. HORTON, Mr. MCCURDY, Mr. HALL of Ohio, Mr. WOLF, Mr. PORTER, Mr. Oklahoma, Mr. EMERSON, Mr. EVANS of MAVROULES,MS. MIKULSKI, Mr. MOLLOHAN, CORCORAN, Mr. SOLOMON, Mr. EVANS of Illi- Iowa, Mr. FASCELL, Mr. FAUNTROY, Mr. Mr. SHUMWAY, and Mr. STUMP. nois, Mr. YOUNG of Alaska, Mr. ROE, Mr. FAZIO, Mr. FEIGHAN, Ms. FERRARO, Mr. H.R. 4206: Mr. WHITTAKER, Mr. ROTH, Mr. HUBBARD,Mr. CHENEY, Mrs. VUCANOVICH,FIELDS, Mr. FISH, Mr. FLORIO, Mr. FORD of STANGELAND,Mr. MCCLOSKEY, Mr. MCGRATH, Mr. WEBER, Mr. REGULA, Mr. VANDERGRIFF, Tennessee, Mr. FORSYTHE, Mr. FRANK, Mr. Mr. SAM B. HALL, JR., Mr. LEWIS of Florida, Mr. FUQUA, Mr. PATMAN, Mr. ANNUNZIO, Mr. FRANKLIN, Mr. FRENZEL, Mr. FROST, Mr. Mr. RITTER, Mr. DELA GARZA, Mr. LOWERY of DEWINE, Mr. SMITH of Florida, Mr. BILIRAK- GARCIA, Mr. GEJDENSON, Mr. GEKAS, Mr. California, Mr. PARRIS, Mr. BADHAM, Mr. IS, Mr. NEAL, Mr. MACKAY, Mr. DANIEL, Mr. GILMAN, Mr. GINGRICH, Mr. GLICKMAN, Mr. WOLPE, Mr. GARCIA, and Mr.DORGAN. SMITH of New Jersey, Mr. WILSON, and Mr. GORE, Mr. GRADISON, Mr. GRAMM, Mr. GRAY, H.R. 4210: Mr. AKAKA, Mr. ANDREWS of LAGOMARSINO. Mr. GREEN, Mr. GUARINI, Mr. HALL of Ohio, Texas, Mr. APPLEGATE, Mr. BARNARD, Mr. H.J. Res. 375: Mr. SPRATT. Mr. HAMMERSCHMIDT, Mr. HANSEN of Idaho, BARTLETT, Mr. BATEMAN, Mr. BEILENSON, Mr. H.J. Res. 377: Mr. NEILSON of Utah, Mr. Mr. HANSEN of Utah, Mr. HARRISON, Mr. BIAGGI, Mrs. BOGGS, Mr. BOLAND, Mr. Bosco, SISISKY, and Mr.TALLON. HARTNETT, Mr. HAWKINS, Mr. HEFTEL of Mrs. BOXER, Mr. BREAUX, Mr. CAMPBELL, Mr. H.J. Res. 379: Mr. ROE, Mr. BARNES, Mrs. Hawaii, Mr. HORTON, Mr. HOWARD, Mr. CHAPPIE, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. COOPER, Mr. BOXER, Mr. DELLUMS, Mr. OTTINGER, Ms. HOYER, Mr. HUGHES, Mr. HUNTER, Mr. COYNE, Mr. DANIEL, Mr.DOWDY of Mississip- KAPTUR, Mr. JEFFORDS, Mr. LAFALCE, Ms. MI- HUTTO, Mr. HYDE, Mr. JEFFORDS, Mrs. JOHN- pi, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. DYSON, Mr. EDGAR,Mr. KULSKI, Mr. KILDEE, Mr. MINETA, and Mr. SON, Ms. KAPTUR, Mr. KASICH, Mr. KILDEE, ERLENBORN, Mr. FAUNTROY, Mr. FAZIO, Mr. MARTINEZ. Mr. KINDNESS, Mr. KOSTMAYER, Mr. KRAMER, FISH, Mr. FORD of Tennessee, Mr. FROST, H.J. Res. 382: Mr. BOEHLERT, Mr. BROOM- Mr. LAGOMARSINO,Mr. LAFALCE, Mr. LEACH Mr. GILMAN, Mrs. HALL of Indiana, Mr. FIELD, Mr. COELHO, Mr. DAUB, Ms. KAPTUR, of Iowa, Mr.LEATH Of Texas, Mr. LEHMAN of HORTON, Mr. HUGHES, Mr. JEFFORDS, Mr. and Mr. MACKAY. Florida, Mr. LELAND, Mr. LENT, Mr. LEVIN of LELAND,Mr. LENT, Mr. LEVIN of Michigan, H.J. Res. 383: Mr. MATSUI, Mr. RUDD, Mr. Michigan, Mr. LEVINE of California, Mr. Mr. MARTINEZ, Mr. MAZZOLI, Mr. MONTGOM- KRAMER, Mr. GRADISON, Mr. MCEWEN, Mr. LEVITAS, Mr. LEWIS of California, Mr. LEWIS ERY,Mr. NICHOLS, Mr. OTTINGER, Mr. RAY, GINGRICH, Mr. MADIGAN,Mr. QUILLEN, Mr. of Florida, Mr. LIVINGSTON, Mr. LOEFFLER, Mr. SPRATT, Mr. STENHOLM, Mr. SUNIA, Mr. MCCANDLESS, Mr. RODINO, and Mrs. BURTON Mr. LONG of Maryland, Mr. LOTT, Mr. TALLON, Mr. VANDER JAGT, Mr. WATKINS, Mr. of Californa. LOWERY of California, Mr. LOWRY of Wash- WILLIAMS of Ohio, Mr. WINN, and Mr. WON H.J. Res. 384: Mr. MINETA, Mr. MORRISON ington, Mr. LUKEN, Mr. MCCAIN, Mr. PAT. OFCONNECTICUT, Mr. MOAKLEY, Mr. WOLPE, MCCLOSKEY, Mr. MCDADE, Mr.MCEWEN, Mr. H.R. 4214: Mr. FLIPPO, Mr. CLINGER, Mr. Mr. LEHMAN of Florida, Mr. FEIGHAN, Mr. MCGRATH, Mr. MCHUGH, Mr. MCKINNEY, EVANS of Iowa, Mr. BATES, Mr. PATMAN, Mr. MAVROULES,and Mr. HOWARD. Mr. MCNULTY, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. MARRIOTT, HORTON, Mr. CORRADA, Ms. KAPTUR, Mr. ROE, H.J. Res. 386: Mr. COATS, Mr. RITTER, Mr. Mr. MARTIN Of New York, Mr. MARTIN of Mr. BEVILL, Mr. WON PAT, Mrs. VUCANOVICH, SIKORSKI, Mr. CORCORAN,Mr. YATRON, Mr. North Carolina, Mrs. MARTIN of Illinois, Mr. and Mr. MCCLOSKEY. BATES, Mr. HAMMERSCHMIDT, Mr. DAUB, Mr. MARTINEZ, Mr. MATSUI, Mr. MAVROULES,Mr. H.R. 4259:Mr. LAGOMARSINO. HATCHER, Mr. TAUKE, Mr. RODINO, Mr. MICHEL, MS. MIKULSKI, Mr. MILLER of Ohio, H.R. 4279:Mr. ALEXANDER. OWENS, Ms. FIEDLER, Mr. MCCOLLUM, Mr. Mr. MILLER of California, Mr. MINETA, Mr. 30888 cc)NGRESSIONAL RECORD-HOUrSE November 3,1983 H. Con. Res. 195: Mr. FAUNTROY, Mr. SEC. 496.AMENDMENT RELATING TO DEDUCTIONS MITCHELL, Mr. MOAKLEY, Mr. MONTGOMERY, FOR THE PAYMENTOF CERTAINEX- Mr. MOORE, Mr. MORRISON of Connecticut, OWENS, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. DELLUMS, Mrs. PENSES BY A MEMBER OF A UNI- Mr. MRAZEK, Mr. MURPHY, Mr. NEAL, Mr. SCHROEDER,Mr. EVANS of Illinois, Mr. FORMEDSERVICE OF THE UNITED OBERSTAR,Mr. O'BRIEN, Mr. ORTIZ, Mr. OT- DIXON, Mr. MORRISON of Connecticut, Mr. STATES,OR BY A MINISTER,WHO RE- Mr. PACKARD,Mr. PA- HAWKINS, Mr. CROCKETT, Mr. MITCHELL, Mr. CEIVES A HOUSINGOR SUBSISTENCE TINGER,Mr. OWENS, ALLOWANCE. NETTA, Mr. PARRIS, Mr. PATTERSON, Mr. VENTO, Mrs. COLLINS, Mr. KILDEE, Mr. Mr. PRITCHARD, Mr. LELAND,Mr. TOWNS, and Mr. DYMALLY. (a) IN GENERAL.-Paragraph (1) of section PEPPER, Mr. PORTER, for Mr. RICHARDSON, Mr. H. Res. 281: Mr. FEIGHAN. 265 of such Code (denying a deduction RATCHFORD,Mr. REID, of certain expenses relating to tax- RITTER, Mr. ROBINSON, Mr. H. Res. 334: Mr. DOWDY of Mississippi, Mr. payment RINALDO, Mr. exempt income) is amended by adding at RODINO, Mr. ROTH, Mrs. ROUKEMA, Mr. CORCORAN, Mrs. JOHNSON, Mr. MURPHY, and Ms. FERRARO. the end thereof the following new sentence: ROwLAND, Mr. SAVAGE,Mr. SAWYER, Mr. "This section shall not apply with respect to SCHAEFER, Mr. SCHEUER, Mrs. SCHNEIDER, any income of a member of a uniformed Mrs. SCHROEDER,Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. SENSEN- the meaning given to such ETC. service (within BRENNER,Mr. SHANNON, Mr. SIKORSKI, Mr. PETITIONS, term by section 101(3) of title 37, United SILJANDER, Mr. SIMON, Mr. SISISKY, Mr. Under clause 1 of rule XXII, States Code) in the form of a subsistence al- Mr. SKELTON, Mr. SMITH of New SKEEN, 266. The SPEAKER presented a petition lowance or a quarters or housing allowance Jersey, Mr. SMITH of Florida, Mr. SOLARZ, Metric Asso- or to income excluded from gross income of Mr. STARK, Mr. of the Board of Directors, U.S. Mr. SOLOMON,Mr. SPRATT, Calif., relative to the the taxpayer under section 107 (relating to TALLON, Mr. TAUKE, ciation, Northridge, parsonages)." STOKES, Mr. SYNAR, Mr. the metric transition; which rental value of Mr. TOWNS, completion of EFFECTIVE DATE.-The amendment Mr. TAUZIN, Mr. TORRICELLI, was referred to the Committee on Science (b) Mr. UDALL,Mr. VANDERGRIFF, made by subsection (a) shall apply to tax- Mr. TRAXLER, and Technology. Mr. VANDERJAGT, Mr. VENTO, Mrs. VUCANO- able years beginning after December 31, VICH, Mr. WALGREN,Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. 1982. WEAVER, Mr. WEBER, Mr. WEISS, Mr. WHEAT, Page 187, insert after the item relating to Mr. WHITTAKER, Mr. WILLIAMS of Ohio, Mr. AMENDMENTS section 495 in the table of contents for title WILLIAMS of Montana, Mr. WIRTH, Mr. Under clause 6 of rule XXIII, pro- IV the following new item: WOLPE, Mr. WOLF, Mr. WORTLEY, Mr. posed amendments were submitted as "Sec. 496. Amendment relating to deduc- WRIGHT, Mr. WYDEN, Mr. YATRON, Mr. follows: tions for the payment of cer- YOUNG of Missouri, Mr. ZABLOCKI, and Mr. tain expenses by a member of a ZSCHAU. H.R.4170 uniformed service of the H. Con. Res. 189: Mr. WALGREN,Mr. ROE, By Mr. PARRIS: United States, or by a minister, Mr.FAZIO, Mr.LEVINE of California, and Mr. -Page 385, insert after line 23 the following who receives a housing or sub- SCHUMER. new section: sistence allowance.". November 3, 1983 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS 30889 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS

WHO IS THE REAL RADICAL ON of their paychecks into something called back to him within a year and a half after FEDERAL MERIT PAY? the Civil Service Retirement System as the he retires. This means the cost of the rest of rest of America pays into Social Security. the pension payments-about 80 percent of But they get three times the amount Social total costs-are footed by the taxpayer. HON. WILLIAM E.DANNEMEYER Security recipients get in pensions. The av- Why did federal workers choose to un- OF CALIFORNIA erage CSRS retirement benefit for 1982 was abashedly stonewall, vehemently opposing IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES $1,200 a month; the average Social Security any kind of Social Security coverage, on an Thursday,November 3, 1983 benefit was a little over $400. Not only that, issue so in the national interest, rather but federal employees with 30 years' experi- than, say, concentrate on securing a solid * Mr. DANNEMEYER. Mr. Speaker, ence can retire at age 55. To collect the rela- supplemental plan for new-hires? Good the Washington Monthly has again tively paltry benefits in full from Social Se- question. The answer lies in the size of fed- published commonsense and good in- curity,one has to wait until age 65. eral pension checks, which the public has sight into the workings of the Federal But the most compelling reason for always known to be generous, but has never Government. I commend to my col- making federal employees pay into Social realized how generous, mostly because the "Hatch Security was that, because many of them Social Security factor has prevented an easy leagues the November article, parallel comparison. Federal workers-who 22," by Teresa Riordan. Ms. Riordan paid into Social Security during stints in the private sector before or after their civil serv- have effectively preserved that ignorance finds that Federal union lobbyists ice tenure, about 70 percent of federal retir- for a long time-realize that when Congress doth protest too much about merit ees were getting some type of Social Securi- sets up a supplemental plan for new hires, principles and their promotion by ty pension on top of their monthly CSRS their present, rather lavish, benefits will be Donald Devine, Director of the Office check. And because of the minimum benefit scrutinized. And what will John and Jane of Personnel Management. She as- provision in Social Security (those who Public find when Congress makes its com- cribes this "irrational obstinacy" to make the lowest average contributions are parison studies? That pensions cost the fed- merit pay and social security to the assumed to need more money) some govern- eral government 29.5 percent of payroll ment retirees were receiving generous while the average pension plan costs pri- inner political dynamics of Federal vate-sector employees only 6.4 percent of worker unions where moderation does checks though they paid into Social Securi- ty only a short while. So, when the National payroll-or only 14.7 percent when you not keep you in the President's seat. Commission on Social Security Reform count what private employers kick in for Ms. Riordan traces the 1983 stalemate looked around last year for ways to buoy matching Social Security funds. While the on civil service reforms to two events: the floundering Social Security system, its Publics might think it fair to provide feds a The "never again" attitude of Federal eyes naturally came to rest on the civil serv- pension plan-after all, about 45 percent of unions after passage of the Civil Serv- ice. private-sector employees get some kind of ice Reform Act in 1978 and the "we're By the time it announced its final recom- pension from their employer on top of really with you" attitude of those in mendations in January, the commission pro- Social Security-they might not be too keen posed that only new-hires be included in on footing the tax bill for one that pays Congress who are eager to demon- twice what they can expect from their com- strate their solidarity after supporting Social Security-a minimal plan, but one that would earn $12 billion within seven pany when they retire. the inclusion of new Federal hires on the years from a pool of workers who wouldn't Federal workers ostensibly lost under social security. Ms. Riordan pro- be eligible to receive benefits for another 30 Social Security issue, but only because, as one congressional staffer says, "It was them poses to trade in the Hatch Act, which years. against the country." When you consider proscribes political activity by Federal So federal workers-their unions, rather- employees, where employees wish to how long they managed to stay such a fair launched a frontal political attack, mobiliz- proposal-such a minimal proposal-you drop their current job security protec- ing their members with frightening slogans begin to realize what a formidable political tions. in newspaper and TV ads and union publica- force they are. Ms. Riordan's article deserves care- tions warning that this limited proposal Political force? Now wait a minute, those ful reading in the debate over merit threatened their pensions. Thousands of of you who took Citizenship back in eighth federal workers from the American Federa- grade are probably saying, aren't federal pay and political accountability. tion of Government Employees descended Mr. Speaker, at this point I request workers prohibited from politicking? The on the Hill in early March for a four-day words "Hatch Act" are even probably vague- that the following excerpts from the lobbying campaign. ly stirring in the memories of those of you article be inserted in the RECORD. NFFE gave gory warnings like "Mandato- who got an A in the class. HATCH 22-THE HATCH ACT TRIED TO SEPA- ry Social Security Coverage for Federal Em- CIVILIZED SERVICE RATE CIVIL SERVANTS FROM POLITICS, WHAT ployees: Band-Aid for Some, or Execution WE GOT WAS THE WORST OF BOTH for All?" APWU members were told Social The Hatch Act may have taken the poli- tics out of the civil service, but it didn't take (By Teresa Riordan) Security would leave "no money to pay the pensions of current workers when they civil servants out of politics. Although fed- Last March, about 100 federal workers retire." FAIR dropped $6 million in six eral workers are prohibited from organizing marched into the Rayburn House Office weeks on another advertising blitz in early fellow workers for political causes or candi- Building, halted in front of Speaker spring, saying that Social Security coverage dates, unions and lobbying associations Thomas O'Neill's congressional office, and would "lead to the bankruptcy of the feder- aren't prohibited from doing it for them. chanted "We want Tip, we want Tip," so al retirement system." Professional union staffers and lobbyists, loudly that neighboring staffs had to close who aren't subject to the Hatch Act, can so- Scary predictions, but oh, so untrue. Had their doors to shut out the commotion. licit campaign contributions from federal the Reagan administration attempted such workers, sponsor political meetings, and or- The boisterous entourage eventually de- courageous lies, editorial pages across the ganize grassroots lobbying by telling federal parted after some cajoling from a legislative nation would have issued immediate repri- workers what congressmen to send letters assistant and nudging from the Capitol Hill mands. But the establishment press didn't to, to call, to vote for. Federal employee police, but the demonstrators had made eyebrow at these dubious claims- raise an unions are one of the best organized, most their point clear: they wanted no part of even though the CSRS fund is in about as active lobbies going. Social Security. much danger of drying up as Lake Michi- Civil servants, because Congress created a gan. Certainly federal workers pay 7 percent DEVINE INTERVENTION pension plan for them two decades before it of their salary to CSRS (to the U.S. govern- enacted a pension plan for the nation, have ment, rather), but this "fund" is for the Federal workers haven't limited their po- never paid into Social Security. Instead, gov- most part an accounting procedure that re- litical activity to pension plans. Just take a ernment employees-the largest workforce flects internal transactions of the govern- look at the issue of merit pay, where mem- in America-pay about the same percentage ment. An employee's contributions are paid bers of Congress, still black and blue from

* This "bullet" symbol identifies statements or insertions which are not spoken by the Member on the floor. 30890 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS November 3,1983 lobbying punches delivered during the that represents the biggest legislative victo- limit the political activity of federal workers Social Security fight, aren't eager to raise ry for federal workers since 1912. "What the who were not protected by procedural safe- the bureaucratic ire again. unions got out of the 1978 reforms was the guards. In late March the Office of Personnel right to bargain over virtually any change But those who want to "electioneer" Management, which used to be called the in working conditions," Leonard Reed, a shouldn't be allowed to crawl under the pro- Civil Service Commission, announced a new contributing editor of this magazine, point- tective umbrella of job security provisions performance-based pay and retention pro- ed out in Harper'slast November, ". .. the when they act as lobbyists when the ques- gram for federal workers to be implemented management of a military installation, tion of pay-for-performance rolls across the administratively-without approval of Con- when making temporary out-of-town assign- horizon. On the other hand, those who want gress-under authority granted OPM under ments, now has to choose the person as- to hold on to their job security should be the Civil Service Reform Act of 1978, an act signed on the basis of seniority. Even the re- able to opt for protection but they shouldn't whose purpose was to make standards for arrangement of desks-that central activity be permitted to storm the Capitol at the hiring and firing in the civil service based of bureaucratic life-can now be the subject first move Congress makes to cap their more on merit rather than seniority. CSRA of union-management bickering." COLA. This means they should be prohibit- was a brokered fiasco. It instituted a narrow So after the reform act passed was Ken ed from belonging to unions, who politic and poorly thought-out merit pay program Blaylock carried off his feet amid cheers and dole out PAC money by proxy. And, in that applied to about 120,000 middle manag- from his fellow workers for such astute po- this age of direct mail and Ma Bell, both of ers. It was so ineffective that fewer tenured litical maneuvering? No. Blaylock may have which have made grassroots lobbying a pow- federal workers were fired for incompetence been the first to realize the advantage of erful force, protected federal workers also in 1980, two years after the reform act was compromise, but he was the last to realize should be prohibited from writing and call- passed, than were fired in the pre-reform its consequences. Instead, Blaylock's fellow ing congressmen about issues concerning act was passed, than were fired in the pre- union leaders left him standing alone in his their employment-i.e., merit pay and re- reform year of 1976, when the discharge support of the reform act-and of Carter. tirement benefits. They should not have the rate was one-seventh of 1 percent. But worst was the betrayal by his own right to lobby-in other words, to act as Federal workers and their congressional union: "My opponents internally were politicians-unless they are willing to run allies, intent on keeping things the way they trying to scare the hell out of my members," the same risks the politicians do by putting were, scurried to prevent Donald Devine, Blaylock recalls. And scare they did. At the their careers on the line. head of OPM,from implementing his merit AFGE national convention in Chicago that pay plan. Steny Hoyer, a Maryland repre- summer of 1978, incumbent Blaylock ran the closest presidential election the union sentative whose district is to federal workers WASHINGTON D.C. CHAPTER OF what Claude Pepper's Miami is to old has ever seen. Blaylock won, but barely: ORGANIZA- people, attached a rider to a supplemental 109,414 to 107,052. The vote reflected mem- THE NINETY-NINES, appropriations bill to deny OPM the money bership bitterness over Blaylock's backing TION OF LICENSED FEMALE to finance the changes. And Bill Ford, chair- of the reform act: "Everybody was just sure PILOTS MARKS 50TH ANNIVER- man of the House Post Office and Civil that somewhere in that damn law was a sen- SARY Service Committee, got cracking on his own tence that says federal workers could be version of merit pay, which sounded suspi- fired without due process," Blaylock says. ciously like Son of CSRA. Several AFGE units voted soon after to HON. WALTER E.FAUNTROY (Federal workers will tell you that Devine, disaffiliate and join another federal worker OFTHE DISTRICT OFCOLUMBIA with his aggressive style and threatening union, because of Blaylock's support for press releases, has done for federal unions civil service reform. The lesson of the 1978 IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES what James Watt has done for membership convention was not lost on Blaylock. "Civil Thursday,November 3, 1983 at the Sierra Club-give them a bogeyman Service reform taught Blaylock a lesson to rail against. What they won't tell you is that almost cost him the presidency," says e Mr. FAUNTROY. Mr. Speaker, I that, unlike Watt, Devine is proposing some an official from another union. "Now he's wish to recognize today a group of fair and reasonable measures.) certainly more publicly strident." women in the Washington, D.C. area UNION DO'S That's why, on the issue of reductions in who have contributed not only to the force (RIFs)and pay comparability, Blay- The key to understand the irrational ob- betterment of this community but also lock-like many good federal employees, un- federal workers on issues such of stinancy of fortunately-thinks one thing and says an- to the futherance of the pursuit as merit pay and Social Security is to under- other. Blaylock conceded in private to a personal and professional goals for political dynamics of their stand the inner union president this January that it was women throughout this area. unions. And the best way to do that is to ob- wrong to say that "the lower grades [in the The Washington, D.C. Chapter of serve the largest federal worker union-the the fruit of the Em- civil service] are not getting the Ninety-Nines, the organization of American Federation of Government loom.... there are two or three levels .. . ployees-and its president, Kenneth Blay- licensed female pilots, will be marking I first where the federal pay on a nationwide basis, their 50th anniversary during the lock. "There's no doubt that when of areas is higher than that came into town I didn't understand a lot of really, in a lot month of November and will com- level in the private sector." Also, The first thing he same skill things," says Blaylock. Blaylock has talked about how memorate the many years of providing that in the world of fed- in private, learned, it seems, is rotten a seniority system, as opposed to a both friendship and safety in aviation eral employees if you don't want to go back can be, especially during re- at a dinner to be held at Andrews Air you have to merit system, to being a plumber in Alabama, which AFGE had to un- Force Base on November 4, 1983. opinions to yourself ductions in force, keep your moderate the federal government did: views sufficiently strident to dergo just as This organization, which was nation- and espouse "I'm not going to go through another RIP appeal to the lowest common denominator ally founded by Amelia Earhardt and of sending people out of the door," he said. others, has provided safety seminars, of your union. "That's the roughest thing I've ever done. Before Blaylock became president of scholarships, and various outlets for ones are so high on the seniori- federal worker organizations S. .the bad AFGE in 1976, them. People doing a good promoting air safety both in the lobbied for their individual causes without ty you can't get job for the union, you look them in the eye Washington, D.C. area and around the much concern for the federal worker com- and tell them they don't have a job. That's Nation. In addition to these activities, munity as a whole. Blaylock, who realized they have continually worked through the value of coalition, organized the federal tough." worker lobby during the 1976 presidential OPENTHE HATCH area flight schools and flying clubs to election to help elect Jimmy Carter. Going back to the system of the pre- help other women pursue their inter- Blaylock, as the only federal worker repre- Hatch Act years, which distinguished be- est in aviation with both financial and sentative to sit on the AFL-CIO's board,was tween political and nonpolitical federal moral encouragement. the key to neogitiations on the Civil Service workers, would be the quickest route to true Many of us who have flown in the Reform Act of 1978. Blaylock was also the civil service "reform." Teddy Roosevelt, who mid-Atlantic region of this country first federal worker union leader to under- served as civil service commissioner under have been brought safely to airports stand what gains could be made by compro- two administrations before he became presi- that have had compass markings done mise. In return for conceding that reforms dent, had the right idea. He said that we were needed in the civil service-that merit should "rightly and properly limit political by Washington, D.C. Ninety-Nines. pay was a good idea-Blaylock won the activity of [federal workers] whose choice Many pilots in this area have also ben- promise of a section in the reform act called and retention ...political consideration did efited from receiving further aviation Title VII, a collective bargaining agreement not enter." But he also said it was wrong to safety information through events November 3,1983 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS 30891 sponsored by the Ninety-Nines of this Mary's Plectrum Orchestra has per- The economic and psychological impact of area. formed in hospitals and nursing homes a museum on a small municipality like Port- Mr. Speaker, it gives me a great deal throughout northeastern Pennsylva- land (population 45,000) is different from of pleasure to recognize the achieve- nia. what it would be elsewhere. Not only has it become Maine's most important art institu- ments of this organization and grant St. Mary's has been especially active tion and living proof that culture no longer them my best wishes for many years in the cause of the Polish people. stops in Boston, it also has contributed a of continued successful leadership in Through the efforts of its parishioners disproportionate share to the "quality of this city and the community of avia- and the support of the community, life" the people of Portland like to talk tion.e over $5,000 in food, clothing, and med- about. icine was shipped to Poland in 1982 "In a smaller town,we value an institution following the imposition of martial like this more," says attorney Leonard ST. MARY'S POLISH NATIONAL law. Nelson, president of the museum's board of CATHOLIC CHURCH, DURYEA, trustees. "We need the support of 15 per- Today, under the spiritual leader- cent of our population to make the museum PA., TO CELEBRATE 85TH ANNI- ship of the Reverend Czeslaw Kulicz- VERSARY work, so it touches a greater spectrum." kowski, St. Mary's continues its 85- Furthermore, as Mr. Nelson freely admits, year tradition of service to God and Portland has an inferiority complex. The HON. FRANK HARRISON man. November 27 will be a very spe- largest city in one of the country's poorest OF PENNSYLVANIA cial day in Duryea and throughout states, it suffers from a backwoods image. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES northeastern Pennsylvania, Mr. Even though it now has an "international jetport" used by five airlines, the nation's Thursday,November 3, 1983 Speaker, as parishioners, friends, and second largest per capita number of lawyers former parishioners of St. Mary's Mr. HARRISON. Mr. Speaker, on (Washington is first) and a respectable sym- e recall all that they have accomplished phony orchestra, people still tend to think Sunday afternoon, November 27, St. and ask the blessings of God upon of Portland as a nice place to live if you like Mary's Polish National Catholic their endeavors in the years to come.e to sail and ski. Church, in Duryea, Pa., will celebrate Portland has a long,distinguished history, the 85th anniversary of its founding. but after the coming of the railroads and The Right Reverend Anthony M. ART MUSEUM HAS KEY ROLE IN the decline of the sail trade, it fell on hard Rysz, bishop of the central diocese of PORTLAND'S FUTURE times. It was essentially a 19th-century the Polish National Catholic Church, town that time had passed by. will be the celebrant of a solemn high HON. JOHN R.McKERNAN, JR. Fifteen years ago, Portland began to awaken from its long sleep. Grass-roots en- mass at 4 p.m. that afternoon. The OF MAINE trepreneurs converted the warehouses and prime bishop, the Most Reverend IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES slums of the Old Port area into a bustling Francis C. Rowinski, will participate in Thursday,November 3, 1983 hive of shops, galleries and restaurants; the celebration and will bless the office space was renovated; new office newly-renovated interior of St. Mary's e Mr. McKERNAN. Mr. Speaker, I towers, a civic center and a handsome public parish. would like to bring to the attention of library were built. Following the Mass of Thanksgiving, my colleagues an article from the Oc- But the engaging new downtown stopped tober 26 Wall Street Journal concern- cold at the Congress Square "combat zone," a banquet will be held at St. Mary's of rundown stores, X-rated book- YMS of R social hall on Main Street. ing the new art museum in Portland, a district This museum became a reality shops, the decrepit Eastland Hotel-and the The history of St. Mary's PNCC is a Maine. Portland Museum and Art School. long and glorious one. It began when due to the generosity of Charles Founded in 1882, the museum, housed in the church was organized on October Payson of Falmouth Foreside, Maine, an early 19th-century building and a 1911 23d, 1898 with Father Franciszek and is now playing an important part addition (both now being renovated), was, to Hodur of Scranton as its first spiritual in the ongoing cultural and economic put it politely, a sedate gentleman's club. In leader. A charter was recorded on Sep- rebirth in Portland. those days, no one in Portland would have Portland, Maine's largest city, is cur- been able to tell you where to find it. tember 9, 1899. In truth, Mr. Speaker, For more than 100 years, the likes of the formal history of St. Mary's PNCC rently undergoing a renaissance; not only are major portions of the city Stuart Davis, Marsden Hartley, Peggy in Duryea is a story of struggle, perse- Bacon, Gaston Lachaise, William Zorach cution and courage of the poor and ex- being rejuvenated, but people are be- and Winslow Homer have lived and worked ploited Polish immigrants who, en- ginning to realize that Portland is not in Maine, But the museum had never really dowed with a constitutional guarantee the backwoods place it was once tapped the mother lode of art produced and of religious freedom, realized their thought to be. The new art museum is left behind in the state. dream of worshipping God in their significant in changing Portland's Enter Charles Shipman Payson, then ap- image, and is critical in the economic proaching his 80s, a wealthy industrialist own, unique way in a church which from an old Maine family, with 17 valuable they constructed and owned. future of the city as well. The follow- ing article, which I would like to insert Maine watercolors and oils by Winslow Some idea of the struggle involved in Homer. Mr.Payson's son, John, had already the 85 years which we now celebrate in the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD at this given a collection of French Impressionist can be found in the fact that the origi- time, describes what the opening of and other gilt-edged paintings belonging to nal church was burned to the ground the museum has meant to Portland's Charles Payson's late wife Joan Whitney in 1908 by a never-apprehended arson- cultural and economic life-and why, I Payson to Westbrook College. ist. The church was rebuilt and served believe, Portland is fast becoming one The Portland Museum's brash, young di- of the most attractive areas of the rector, John Holverson, approached Mr. as a spiritual and social center for its Payson for the collection. Not only did he people. In 1928, the rectory burned country in which to live. The article follows: get the Homers, but also a $5 million com- completely. Again, and within a few mitment toward a new building to add months, a new rectory was erected. THE MUSEUM THAT'S REVITALIZING PORTLAND 62,790 square feet (including 20,000 of exhi- That same year, new altars, church (By Nancy Love) bition space and a 187-seat auditorium) and appointments, and stained-glass win- PORTLAND, MAINE.-Townsfolk here lined a $5 million endowment. The gifts were the dows were dedicated. up for hours waiting to get into the new catalyst for a State of Maine Collection and Over the years, the accomplishments Charles Shipman Payson Building of the for the redevelopment of Congress Square. of St. Mary's and its parishioners Portland Museum of Art on opening day In partnership with the neighboring East- this May. The mayor delivered a speech, land Hotel, Portland's best in the 1920s, the reached into every facet of the civic bands played and a parade-complete with museum was able to swing a $7.3 million and cultural life of its people. Its bagpipers and tarantella dancers-marched Urban Action Development Grant that in- yearly minstrels, its Chopin choir and through the downtown crowds. This was a cluded funding for the modernization of the its St. Mary's Mandolin Club are museum that mattered to everyone in the hotel, a parking garage, a minipark, store- known throughout the community. St. area. front, and other neighborhood improve- 30892 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS November 3, 1983 ments and $2.3 million for the museum THE ATTEMPTED DELIVERY OF of public opinion to your Embassy are not wing. 10,000 CARDS PROTESTING THE reflective of the institutionalized obstacles The final $2.5 million was raised by SOVIETS SHOOTING DOWN our two countries face in reaching an accord summer residents and the hardheaded, KOREAN FLIGHT 007 on far more critical matters. If they are, I frugal local business establishment, which am afraid the outlook for reaching an agree- has never been approached by the museum ment that will reduce the threat of nuclear before. HON. VIC FAZIO war, for example, is far more bleak than I Not that the plan didn't stir some contro- OFCALIFORNIA would hope and pray for. versy. Residents who anticipated something IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Sincerely, understated and perhaps pseudo-Georgian Thursday,November 3, 1983 VIc FAZIo, were initially put off by the bold post- Member of Congress. modern design by Henry N. Cobb of I.M.Pei * Mr. FAZIO. Mr. Speaker, today I & Partners. They complained that the row will mail 10,000 cards from residents of ASSEMBLY CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE, of four open semicircles projecting above California to the Soviet Embassy pro- Los Angeles, October 19, 1983. the roof line of the four-story building made testing the downing of Korean com- His Excellency ANATOLY DOBRYNIN, it look like a stage set. But once it was built, mercial flight 007, on September 1 by Ambassador ExtraordinaryPlenipotentiary, they appreciated the way the museum's a Soviet fighter plane. Embassy of the Union of Soviet Socialist facade of brick with granite trim connects it California Assemblyman Mike Roos Republic, Washington,D.C. EXCELLENCY: I am once again respectfully to the neighboring buildings. and I attempted to deliver the protest The economic payoffs were easier to ap- cards directly to the Soviet Embassy requesting that you officially accept the preciate. The direct and indirect economic thousands of postcards that constituents in impact of the construction of the museum early last month but were turned away my district wrote to Premier Andropov con- was estimated at $28 million by Maine Busi- by an unidentified Soviet official. We cerning the tragedy of the downed Korean ness Indicators, a newsletter published by were told the only way the cards Airliner. the Center for Research and Advanced would be accepted by the Embassy I believe that it is important for anyone Study at the University of Southern Maine. would be if they were delivered involved in your profession to take an active "The projected annual operating expendi- through the U.S. Postal Service. We interest in the thoughts and concerns of tures of about $1 million will produce a total are complying with the conditions of America's diverse citizenship. The postcards impact of approximately $2.3 million during that request today. I am including with this letter were written the next fiscal year," according to the Mr. Speaker, I submit for the by people who were angered by the actions report. RECORD copies of letters which Assem- taken by your country, and wanted to ex- Even before the museum opened,the posi- blyman Roos and I are sending along press themselves in a meaningful and con- tive results of the Congress Square renais- with the postcards to Soviet Ambassa- structive way. I sincerely hope you and your sance could be seen in upgraded first-floor staff will read these important messages. retail space, new retail activity, the conver- dor Anatoly Dobrynin. In addition, I would like to submit for the record a Respectfully yours, sion of an old building into apartments for MIKE Roos, the elderly. Sonesta Hotels was bullish few of the messages to Soviet Premier Majority FloorLeader, enough about the future of Congress Andropov taken from the protest CaliforniaState Assembly. Square to take over the management of the cards. They exemplify the outrage the Sonesta renovated Eastland, now called over this tragedy of millions of people Examples of the messages that ac- Portland Hotel. in California and throughout the company the 10,000 protest cards to Once the museum opened, the direct Nation. impact of 3,000 additional-and more desira- HOUSE OFREPRESENTATIVES, Soviet Premier Andropov (Each of the ble-people on the streets every week in the Washington, D.C., October24, 1983. cards was addressed "to Premier center of town began to be felt. On a recent His Excellency ANATOLY DOBRYNIN, Andropov, from an Outraged Ameri- sunny day, visitors streamed in and out of Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipoten- can.") Great Hall of the museum and the soaring tiary,Embassy of the U.S.S.R., Washing- "We are all victims of your killing." un- the neighboring restaurants and shops. ton,D.C. signed. Across the square, a folk-rock group enter- On October 7, Cali- DEAR MR. AMBASSADOR: "Is there truth in Russia? You must make tained in the little park next to the former fornia State Assemblyman Mike Roos and I retribution to the innocent victims." Lee Eastland, where in the elegantly restored attempted to deliver directly to your Embas- lobby the desk clerk was turning away a sy the enclosed 10,000 postcards protesting Woo of Conoga Park. couple without a reservation. the downing of Korean airliner flight 007 on "Is there humanity in Russia? Lee Chun Some doubters worry about how the September 1. Since an unidentified voice in- Joon of Los Angeles. museum is going to fill all its empty walls. formed us that the Embassy was closed for "As a good American citizen, I am thor- But people are beginning to open their a national holiday and therefore the cards oughly outraged by the recent actions of attics and hearts now that there is premium could not be accepted, I returned on Octo- the Russians and feel we Americans should space for them in a safely controlled envi- ber 11 in a final attempt to see the cards de- boycott all their products." Rose A. Brin- ronment. Some fine plums have already livered. Once again, however, I was not per- gardner of Los Angeles. dropped out of the trees-the Hamilton mitted to leave the postcards at the Embas- "The world is united against your barba- Easter Field collection of Ogunquit artists, sy. The Embassy's press officer, Vladimir S. rism." Song Kang of Los Angeles. including works by Walt Kuhn, Marsden Mikoyan, informed me that the postcards "I cry for the families who lost their loved Hartley and John Singer Sargent,to name a would only be accepted if they were deliv- ones." George Kanashiro of Los Angeles. U.S. mail service. Despite few. More are expected, perhaps even the ered through the "Ifeel a deep sense of frustration.We are what I view as the unreasonableness of this trying to work together, but you are killing Andrew Wyeths now on loan. request, we are complying with it. up residence in innocent people." unsigned. A piano quartet has taken These cards are from the people of Cali- the new museum auditorium. The award- fornia. They are voluntary expressions of "Barbarism will not prevail." Albert winning Portland Stage Company is moving frustration and anger over the tragic loss of Kawter of Los Angeles. into expanded quarters in a renovated build- human life caused by the senseless destruc- "Lord, judge them." unsigned. ing near Congress Square. These and others tion of this civilian aircraft and they are "A single life is priceless. Have you no con- attest to the cultural synergism touched off representative of the feelings of millions of science that you feel no remorse for taking by the art museum, which, it is also general- Americans. We provide these cards to you so 269 lives?" Young Whang of Irvine. ly agreed, has given Portland increased self- that the Soviet government will better un- "You should be ashamed of your outra- confidence. derstand the depth of outrage felt by the geous act." unsigned. Twenty years ago, young people didn't average American. We also provide them in "I think an apology is long due to the be- come back to Maine once they left. Now the the hopes that there will be further expla- reaved relatives of the Korean jet tragedy." assumption is that they will. Many from nation and description of events, enabling G. Du Cine of Los Angeles. other parts of the country chose Portland us to better understand how this tragedy oc- "Why,why, why?" J. Kanowitz of Los An- too because they like the quality of life. In curred and thereby prevent a similar event geles.o Portland, everyone talks about the quality from occurring in the future. of life. Not only that, they've done some- In closing, I hope that the difficulties we thing about it.e had in delivering these simple expressions November 3,1983 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS 30893 PARRIS SPONSORS AMENDMENT or to income excluded from gross income of States did not intervene in the market TO PRESERVE HOUSING AL- the taxpayer under section 107 (relating to and instead let the price of oil find its LOWANCE FOR MILITARY AND rental value of parsonages)." own level. What did the IEA test find? (b) EFFECTIVE DATE.--The amendment CLERGY made by subsection (a) shall apply to tax- Quite simply, under a 1 million barrel able years beginning after December 31, a day disruption, the price of oil in the HON. STAN PARRIS 1982. United States would settle out at $98 a OF VIRGINIA Page 187, insert after the item relating to barrel. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES section 495 in the table of contents for title Some of my colleagues might think IV the following new item: that I would like that result, since Thursday,November 3, 1983 "Sec. 496. Amendment relating to deduc- there is significant oil production in e Mr. PARRIS. Mr. Speaker, this past tions for the payment of cer- New Mexico. As the price of crude oil tain expenses by a member of a July, the Internal Revenue Service uniformed service of the rises, so would State severance taxes dealt a very serious blow to the clergy United States,or by a minister, and royalty payments. But that is a of this country and the IRS is about to who receives a housing allow- terribly myopic view, Mr. Speaker. do the same to our military personnel. ance."e A 300-percent increase in the price On July 1, 1983, the Internal Reve- of crude would mean a staggering in- nue Service implemented a revenue crease in the rate of inflation. It would ruling which prohibits the clergy from PRESIDENT REAGAN'S NATION- mean hundreds of thousands AL ENERGY PLAN UNVEILED of people excluding from their gross income, the would be thrown out of work, and it interest and taxes they pay on a per- would mean that our senior citizens, sonal residence. I have recently ob- HON. BILL RICHARDSON those of low and fixed incomes, and tained a memorandum prepared by OF NEW MEXICO even middle class Americans would be the IRS which indicates the same type IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES crippled by the outcome of such a of tax treatment will soon be applied Thursday,November 3, 1983 diastrous policy. Yet, it is not merely to military personnel. * Mr. RICHARDSON. Mr. Speaker, the pain and misery that a 300-percent For years, military personnel and increase in the price of crude oil that the clergy have had the benefit of this earlier this month, Energy Secretary Hodel unveiled President Reagan's na- is troubling. There is another element tax exemption. It has been a way in which must be considered. which the Federal Government has tional energy plan. This proposal, which is almost 18 months late, is a In 1973, when the Arab states placed encouraged individuals to make ca- an embargo on crude oil coming into reers, in what have traditionally been, disturbing document. The centerpiece of the President's the United States, domestic crude occupations of modest income. Unless prices tripled in a very short period of the Congress acts to preserve this ex- plan is that the marketplace should make all decisions about the price and time. As a result of this increase and emption, the clergy and the military the outcry from the American public, will be required allocation of our energy resources. people of this Nation that principle. Congress passed the Emergency Petro- to endure a significant increase in Generally, I agree with As a representative of the fourth larg- leum Allocation Act of 1973. This act, their individual tax burden. which imposed price controls at the Today I am introducing into the est gas-producing State and a member of the Energy and Commerce Commit- wellhead and lead to allocation poli- RECORD an amendment which I hope cies such as the crude oil entitlements to offer to the Tax Reform Act of tee, I am convinced that the market can allocate resources more efficiently program for refiners, was one of the 1983. My amendment would preserve most costly and counterproductive in for the clergy and sensibly than can a Federal regu- the housing allowance my point, my our Nation's history. It took the oil in- quarters allowance latory agency. To prove and the housing only look at the pro- dustry 8 years to get out from under for military personnel. I have inde- colleagues need jections for home heating oil, which that act. Yet, this administration is ad- pendent legislation, H.R. 1905, which vocating policies which set up the the revenue ruling as it was decontrolled several years ago. would repeal This winter, heating oil prices are pro- same price shock with its inevitable applies to the clergy. My bill has at- backlash and reimposition of rigid over 120 cosponsors and is jected to be down more than 10 cents a tracted gallon from last winter. Natural gas, Government regulations. emerging as a strong bipartisan effort. Mr. Speaker, I believe the Congress in the House to on the other hand, is still regulated, I urge my colleagues a large sur- must not shy away from this issue. We support this amendment when it is and even though there is plus of domestic gas supplies, prices must continue to diligently pursue considered by the House Rules Com- this winter. policies that insure the strategic petro- mittee so that we might have an op- are projected to increase But, Mr. Speaker, the marketplace leum reserve (SPR), is filled at as portunity to consider it on the House are normal quick a rate as fiscally possible. We floor. can only work when there market conditions. And a disruption of must also explore the options of inter- AMENDMENT TO H.R. 4170, AS REPORTED our crude oil supplies from the Middle im storage and regional reserves. OFFERED BY MR. PARRIS OF VIRGINIA East to the tune of 1 million barrels a Once the SPR is in place, however, Page 385, insert after line 23 the following normal. Yet, under this we must not allow the crude to sit in new section: day is hardly distorted and stressful situation, this the ground as a bulwark against SEC. 496. AMENDMENT RELATING TO DEDUCTIONS FOR THE PAYMENT OF CERTAIN EX. administration would simply sit by Middle East blackmail. Rather, the PENSES BY A MEMBER OF A UNI- idly and let the market decide who SPR must be used as a market order- FORMED SERVICE OF THE UNITED would get the scarce crude oil and re- ing and price dampering device. If the STATES. OR BY A MINISTER, WHO RE- and what the price of SPR oil is allowed to reach refiners CEIVES A HOUSING OR SUBSISTENCE fined products ALLOWANCE. those products would be. and downstream customers whose sup- (a)IN GENERAL.-Paragraph (1) of section What would be the impact of such a plies have been lost, they will not go 265 of such Code (denying a deduction for do-nothing policy during a supply dis- to the spot markets in New York and payment of certain expenses relating to tax- ruption? The administration, in veto- Rotterdam to bid up the price of crude exempt income) is amended by adding at ing an emergency preparedness bill oil. If calm heads prevail and panic the end thereof the following new sentence: passed by the Congress in 1981, does not set in, the price of crude "Thissection shall not apply with respect to claimed prices would rise only margin- should remain stable. any income of a member of a uniformed ally. Yet, in April this year, when the There is, however, a catch. By open- service (within the meaning given to such a term by section 101(3) of title 37, United International Energy Agency conduct- ing up the SPR for use during States Code)in the form of a subsistence al- ed its fourth crude oil test, it tested supply disruption, we must not allow lowance or a quarters or housing allowance for price and assumed that the United companies with amble supplies to 30894 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS November 3,1983 come in and bid up the price of crude Although Quincy Junior College is the Soviet Union, studying the condi- for speculatory purposes. To do so, pausing for the moment to reflect on tions under which many Jews live. would be to simply make the salt its 25 years of achievement, it is also Along with her husband Edward, domes in Louisiana the new spot planning to expand the opportunities Mrs. Lewis has been actively involved market, and the same disastrous re- it offers and the role it plays in the in the Great Neck community for sults would occur as in 1973 and 1979 life of southeastern Massachusetts.e many years. She was president of her during the Iranian crisis. temple sisterhood and an officer of Other measures may be needed, Mr. the PTA. She has also served as direc- A TRIBUTE TO FRIEDA AND tor of the Jewish National Fund, the Speaker. And I urge the distinguished EDWARD chairman of the Energy and Com- LEWIS Hadassah Zionist Youth Commission merce Subcommittee on Fossil and and the American Foundation for Synthetic Fuels to begin hearings on HON. ROBERT J. MRAZEK Jewish Culture. our Nation's emergency preparedness OF NEW YORK Edward Lewis has been involved in legislation. Clearly, using the SPR as a IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Temple Israel in Great Neck and market ordering device must be the Thursday,November 3, 1983 many other aspects of Jewish life for centerpiece of our policy. This ap- many years. Since 1951, he has been proach offers consumers protection * Mr. MRAZEK. Mr. Speaker, I would involved with the Great Neck Commu- without subjecting the industry to the like to take this opportunity to pay nity Israel Bond Drive. Along with his rigidity of inflexible Government reg- tribute to two extraordinary people wife, he has visited Isreal many times, ulation. We may need to build around who will soon be honored for their meeting with top leaders in Israeli po- that core. But we cannot sit by idly outstanding work on behalf of the litical and cultural life. and let this administration set the State of Israel. For over 30 years, Edward and Frieda Lewis are an in- American consumer and the oil indus- Frieda and Edward Lewis have dedi- spiration to all people committed to try up for another hard fall. cated their lives to a host of issues and the establishment of a free and inde- I have faith in the marketplace, but projects of vital importance to the pendent Jewish State and homeland. my faith is tempered by economic re- Jewish world. It is my pleasure to Their names are inscribed on the wall alities. One of those realities is that inform you that Frieda and Edward of the synagogue of the Hadassah- when a sizable portion of supply is re- Lewis'many achievements will be hon- Hebrew University Medical Center at moved and panic sets in, market re- ored on November 9 at an Israel bond Ein Karem in recognition for their sponses can be distorted. To protect dinner in Great Neck, N.Y. many accomplishments on behalf of the sanctity of the marketplace, it is Frieda Lewis, president of Hadassah, Israel. It is only fitting that they often necessary for the Government to the Women's Zionist Organization of should be honored once again in their intervene in extreme circumstances to America, heads the largest women's home community of Great Neck in make certain our marketplace and the volunteer organization in the United grateful appreciation for their lifelong faith that accompanies it is not de- States. Her list of accomplishments work.e stroyed. Blind adherence to ideology- speaks for itself, testifying to her un- which is exactly what the administra- dying commitment to Israel and the tion is doing regarding our emergency Jewish people. She has been a member JUDGE BONNEY ADDRESSES preparedness policy-will punish the of Hadassah for 36 years, during BANKRUPTCY JUDGES oil industry and the consumer. We which time she has participated in vir- need none of that now or in the tually every aspect of the organiza- future.e tion's activities on the local, regional, HON. HAMILTON FISH, JR. and national level. As a member of Ha- OF NEW YORK TWENTY-FIFTH ANNIVERSARY dassah, she has served as a leader in IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF QUINCY JUNIOR COLLEGE such vital programs as the National Youth Aliyah Department, the Hadas- Thursday,November 3, 1983 HON. BRIAN J. DONNELLY sah Israel Education Services, the Ha- e Mr. FISH. Mr. Speaker, I wish to dassah Medical Organization and the share with Members of the House the OF MASSACHUSETTS National Hadassah Conventions. IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES remarks of Judge Hal J. Bonney, Jr., Mrs. Lewis has been an active leader of Norfolk, Va., at the 57th annual Thursday,November 3,1983 in a number of other cultural, reli- meeting of the National Conference of * Mr. DONNELLY. Mr. Speaker, gious and educational organizations. Bankruptcy Judges recently held in Quincy Junior College in Quincy, She is a member of the Holocaust Colorado Springs, Colo. Judge Bonney, Mass., is now celebrating its 25th anni- Commission, the executive board of a distinguished member of the bank- versary. the National Jewish Community Rela- ruptcy bench since 1971, has been QJC has been an invaluable educa- tions Council and the council of trust- elected president of the conference for tional resource for Quincy and for the ees of the American Friends of the the next year. His remarks reflect the communities of the South Shore.It re- Hebrew University. In addition, she conviction of every member of the mains the only municipally sponsored serves on the board of governors of bankruptcy bench and bar with whom college in Massachusetts. the National Conference on Soviet I have come in contact, that Congress During its quarter century of serv- Jewry. must move with all the expedition of ice, Quincy Junior College has grad- Mrs. Lewis has also demonstrated re- which it is capable to enact legislation uated 20,000 full- and part-time stu- markable leadership within the inter- establishing our bankruptcy court dents. Some have graduated with asso- national Jewish community. She system on a firm constitutional basis. I ciates degrees to enter the business serves as Hadassah's representative to commend Judge Bonney's remarks to world or to seek degrees from 4-year the governing board of the World the attention of every Member of the institutions, others have earned the Jewish Congress. She has been a dele- House. certifications necessary to pursue their gate to numerous world zionist con- The remarks follow: trades. Other thousands have benefit- gresses held in Jerusalem and is a ADDRESS OF THE HONORABLE HAL J. BONNEY, ed from studies at the college outside member of the presidium of the Zion- JR., BEFORE THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE OF its degree or certification programs. ist General Council of the World Zion- BANKRUPTCY JUDGES All have emerged equipped to better ist Organization. She has addressed When I taught American history, the his- the lives of themselves and their fami- Jewish groups and organizations torians spoke of the nadir of diplomacy as a lies and to make greater contributions throughout the world and has traveled period in our history; now it may be the to their communities. to more than 40 countries, including nadir of bankruptcy within which we find November 3, 1983 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS 30895 ourselves .. . and if this is so, it is the na- made preparations to do the same to Balti- plain cheaper than buying newly pro- tional well being which is the loser. more. Prior to that bombardment, one F. S. duced energy. This is evident in the jurisdictional insta- Key went to one of the British ships seeking Mr. Albert F. Appleton, conservation bility which both exists and is tolerated and the release of a friend. While not restrained, the disdain with which some, in ignorance, he was advised he could not leave the vessel chairman and former president of the look upon bankruptcy in general. This af- until after the battle. New York City Audubon Society, pre- fects (1) surely the bench, but it also (2) As we know the story, in the morning, at sented this view in a Newsday article erodes the prestige and effectiveness of the dawn's early light, he came on deck and saw on September 16, 1983, and I would bar and (3) alters the quality of service to that our flag still waved! So greatly inspired, like to share his excellent essay with the public. he wrote of the event. Among those great my colleagues. Alas, we also live in an age when all men words, are these: The article follows: are not intellectually honest. "Then conquer we must, What has been one of the most effective For our cause, it is just [From Newsday, Sept. 16, 1983] and efficient courts in the world and one And this be our motto, 'In God do we trust.'" SAVING THE ENVIRONMENT SAVES US ALL which contributes significantly to the very MONEY national economy itself (something usually You must then, my friends, forgive my overlooked) is, with some deliberateness, im- reference to history, yet the great heritage (By Albert F. Appleton) paired. of our dear and great nation has often in- Is it true, as so many claim, that the We would not be one of King Lear's chil- spired and taught me. Perhaps it is the his- public has to sacrifice economic well-being dren. We are very deeply grateful to the tory teacher in me, but to me it speaks les- to protect the environment? Quite the con- many who are striving for an old-fashioned sons for today in all aspects of our national trary. Protecting the environment is virtual- life. quality called justice. To the members of ly always the soundest economic course. (1) "Then conquer we must." We must, Congress who so labor, to their staff, to or- The numbers are dramatically one-sided. and shall, conquer the ignorance, the misin- ganizations such as the Commercial Law An acid-rain cleanup would cost $2.5 billion League, to individual practitioners and to formation, the greed and the jealousy which would hold back the dawn. This conspiracy a year. Acid-rain damage to agriculture, business and industrial leaders ... we say timber, recreation, buildings and public thank you, genuinely and earnestly. which would deny the natural evolution of justice is not holy. health totals $5 billion-plus a year and is What are the present goals of the Nation- climbing. According to a Council on Envi- al Conference of Bankruptcy Judges in this (2) "For our cause, it is just." We must not What is ronmental Quality study, improvements in its 58th year? Very generally they are two: lose sight of the ultimate, valid test. valid is not what any one individual thinks air quality since 1970 are worth $21.4 billion (1) the granting of Article III status to the annually in increased longevity, lowered Bankruptcy Court and (2) or what any group believes; what is impor- United States job?" health costs and other benefits. just retirement for those who wish to retire tant and valid is "what can best do the best for the country The most economic energy source is that or who are not reappointed. I tell you that what is is what counts and nothing less. And men in which is environmentally best: energy con- Some think the Conference was estab- servation. Energy conservation kicked purpose of promoting the all intellectual honesty must apply this. lished for the (3) "In God do we trust." In consideration OPEC in the breadbasket and ended the Reform Act of 1978 and, follow- Bankruptcy of this bankruptcy problem, some in their skyrocketing of fuel prices. Every serious III status. This is a ing Marathon, Article blindness have forgotten a basic American study, including the Harvard Business glaring example of the ignorance abroad. truth. The Commonweal. No one, no one School Energy Project, has reached the of Bankruptcy The National Conference has the right to stand in the way of what is same conclusion: saved energy is the cheap- Judges was founded in 1926 for the purpose people, the common good, the est energy. of the best for the of improving the bankruptcy system general interest, the commonweal. So the argument that environmental pro- United States so that honest, distressed in- We are not toying with some dog leash tection harms the economy reduces to noth- dividuals, partnerships and corporations, law. We are dealing with that which touches ing more than empty slogans. their creditors, the public and the national human life, the public interest .. .and Are the environmentalists who are fight- economy might be better served. that will be served! To ignore it endangers ing to save the Long Island economy from Why an Article III court? The Supreme the republic, our very democracy. choking on polluted groundwater "standing Court has held that the work we do requires Join in! I call upon all of you assembled in the way of progress?" Is it "elitist" to try sit upon the bench that touch. As those who here-judges, former judges, members of to stop toxic-waste dumping from breaking matters involving hun- and decide these the bar, professors, editors, staff members- up more and more communities like Love dreds of thousands of debtors and creditors and all that in our nation are involved in Canal? Is it "insensitive to the needs of is our official view and billions of dollars, it the bankruptcy process-to join in the strife a Westway that less than an independent Arti- working people" to oppose that nothing and labor,diligently, toward these ends. is really a multibillion-dollar subsidy of cle III court can do the job in a constitu- I do thank you all.* Manhattan luxury real estate? These ques- tional manner. No one,no one knows as well tions answer themselves. a we what it takes. The direct figures on jobs gained and lost Members of the Conference, what is nec- THE ENVIRONMENT SAVING the most impressive of all. A essary to bring this to pass; how will it be are perhaps SAVES US ALL MONEY Agency accomplished? Three things: U.S. Environmental Protection envi- (1) The leadership of the Conference will study found that maintaining existing would create 524,000 even the finest detail and HON. TED WEISS ronmental standards pay attention to Federation of labor ceaselessly. On that you can rely. OF NEW YORK jobs by 1987. The American of Industrial Organizations (2) Educate. We believe that when the IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Labor-Congress has estimated that 600,000 new jobs could problem is fully understood and all of the Thursday,November 3, 1983 facts known, reasonable men and women be provided in the conservation and solar in- will see that the work of the Court is vital * Mr. WEISS. Mr. Speaker, we are all dustries by a concerted effort to achieve to the nation and that that Court must be familiar with the conventional wisdom their real ptoential. By contrast, an EPA survey this year given the jurisdiction to accomplish the environmental prob- that preventing found that only 33,000 jobs had been lost task. Each of you in your neck-of-the-woods lems such as acid rain or air pollution must be a part of this process. because of environmental laws. Other stud- can be an excessively costly burden on ies have found that, for up to 60 percent of (3) Work. There is no substitute for it. suffer from The task is indeed large, for there are those our society. It is better to such instances, the real cause was plant ob- who, realize it or not, impede and oppose a little pollution, the argument con- solescence. Environmental laws were used as justice and the strengthening of the nation- tends, than to have to pay a higher a public-relations scapegoat. al economy. You-work at it for the rightful utility bill or spend more for a new Environmental protection is creating result it is. car. whole new industries. Sales of air and water And now, the forgotten aspects. The trouble with conventional antipollution equipment alone will top $5 billion by 1985. The public wants the goods There are surely many lessons in it. Do not always founded wisdom is that it is that environmental protection produces: you realize that in the War of 1812 the in the truth. Research has determined enemy sailed to our nation's capital and ut- pleasant and attractive surroundings, pollution costs less terly sacked the city. The President of the that preventing myriad recreational opportunities, cleanli- United States, James Madison, had to flee than cleaning it up later. Antipollu- ness and life-style variety, and freedom the White House. After this, they sailed tion efforts create jobs and reduce from the health threats of air, water and down the Potomac River, turned left and sickness. Conserving energy is just toxic pollutions. 30896 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS November 3. 1983 These are well-known desires and well-jus- wastes, or a utility creates acid rain to avoid APPLICATION OF COUNTERVAIL- tified fears. Congress' Office of Technology the costs of emission-control equipment, the ING DUTY LAW TO IMPORTS Assessment estimates that sulfur-related air economy suffers. It suffers from the dispro- FROM NONMARKET ECONOMY pollution causes 51,000 premature deaths a portionate costs imposed on the public to COUNTRIES year. A majority of all cancers are induced pay for that profit, from waste and misallo- by environmental carcinogens. No one needs cation of funds away from genuinely pro- to be reminded of the horrors of diseases ductive investments, and from further ero- HON. ED JENKINS like asbestosis. They have staggering eco- sion of the economy's long-term capital OF GEORGIA nomic consequences as well, as the flight of base. the Manville Corp. into bankruptcy to avoid IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES So far from threatening economic growth, billions in liability claims so dramatically il- Thursday,November 3, 1983 lustrates. the success of the environmental movement is an indispensable prerequisite to restoring The time has come to challenge and dis- e Mr. JENKINS. Mr. Speaker, as long-term prosperity. Environmental well- chairman of the Congressional Textile card the hackneyed stereotypes about the being and economic prosperity are intimate- conflict between the environment and the Caucus, I would like to bring to the at- ly connected, and both depend on the same economy. In truth, for every genuine in- tention of my colleagues in the House stance where the issue is beauty vs. jobs, thing: the productive, self-sustaining use of basic resources. the remarks made by several members there are 20 where nature and prosperity of the Textile Caucus Executive Com- march hand in hand. Since environmental protection is so clear- mittee before the Department of Com- It is no accident that,in reality, sound en- ly in the economic interest of society, why merce on November 3, 1983. vironmental policies are economically bene- does the fiction that environmental protec- My colleagues may be aware that a ficial. The environment in its healthy form tion is an economic menace persist? resources organized by nature for countervailing duty petition was filed represents The answer is simple. Environmental pro- by the American Textile Manufactur- self-sustaining production. These environ- tection may save society money, but it does mental resources-air, water, soils, fuels, ers Institute, the Amalgamated Cloth- cost individual polluters, costs they would ing & Textile Workers Union, the minerals, plants, animals and fish-are the strongly prefer not to pay. Whatever their basic building blocks, the underlying capital level of theoretical devotion to the free International Ladies' Garment Work- pool of organized economic life. market, as a practical matter, too many ers Union, and the American Apparel The normal economic principle is that businesses would prefer to avoid the rigors Manufacturers Association against the capital replacement is an ongoing cost of of competition. Misuse of the environment People's Republic of China. This peti- has been doing business. American industry is an easier and safer road to profit. tion is the first nonmarket country strongly criticized recently for widespread countervailing duty complaint accept- practices of capital disinvestment (such as Understandably, such profit subsidies are deferring maintenance) that maximize cur- never openly claimed. They have to be dis- ed by the Department of Commerce. rent profits at the hidden cost of undermin- guised or rationalized. So opponents of envi- The petition filed by this coalition of ing an enterprise's long-term viability. Envi- ronmental protection bemoan their own textile and apparel industries consists ronmental destruction represents the same costs, sometimes genuine, sometimes not, as of certain novel issues. The novel phenomenon on a massive scale. Destroying the unsupportable burden of environmental issues raised by the petition are or polluting the environment treats public protection. The money environmental pro- whether the Trade Act of 1930 applies capital as a free good, avoiding payment of tection saves society is conveniently ignored to a nonmarket economy and whether the true cost of production. It provides im- or belittled. To further distract attention dual exchange rates in either a market mediate profits by depleting the economy's from it, the unsupportable-burden argu- resource base. or nonmarket economy can confer a ment is embellished with scare tactics about bounty or grant where the entire trade The argument that environmental protec- job losses and depression of the local econo- tion must be sacrificed to economic progress sector is subject to a single rate and my, and seemingly reasonable calls for bal- the currency is not freely convertible. is really an argument that a business should ance. have its profits subsidized by the general The importance of this issue should public, rather than earn them through pro- Since the economic benefits of environ- be carefully noted. I am hopeful that ductivity and economic efficiency. Environ- mental protection are individually small, cu- the Department of Commerce will mental destruction should rightfully be seen mulative and long-term, no special interest take careful consideration of the facts defends them with the strident, focused bel- as a transfer tax, an income redistribution presented by the petitioners. that impoverishes the general public to pro- ligerency that polluters bring to preserving vide subsidized profits for a selected few. their privileges. That makes the immediate TESTIMONY OF REPRESENTATIVE JAMES T. Nothing is more ironic than to hear such political costs of defending the environment BROYHILL polluting enterprises argue that environ- very steep. It is therefore not surprising Mr. Chairman, I am James T. Broyhill. I mentalists are standing in the way of the that the argument that environmental pro- am a Congressman from the State of North free-enterprise system. Looked at carefully, tection is too expensive has been seized on Carolina. I appreciate being given the op- every form of environmental destruction as a convenient rationalization for following portunity to appear at today's hearing. translates into an anticompetitive subsidy. the course of least resistance, or that over The case that gave rise to this special con- Taking public funds for boondoggle public time both business and much of the public ference was filed by a management/labor works is subsidy. Shifting the cost of waste have come to genuinely believe it. coalition of the U.S. textile and apparel in- dustry against imports from the Peoples Re- disposal onto the public, through air pollu- Unfortunately, the bill for the economic tion and acid rain, water pollution or toxic- public of China. This industry has been myopia, political timidity and mental inertia hard hit by imports. Between July 1981 and waste dumping, is subsidy. Shifting the that has permitted misuse of the environ- burden of risk onto the public, as in Shore- January 1983, over 100,000 American textile ment has come due. There is no free lunch. and apparel workers lost their jobs. A pri- ham,is subsidy. Destroying ongoing uses of Sooner or later, the long term becomes the a public resource, as in wetlands filling or in mary cause of this tremendous loss of em- present and the costs pushed off into the forest clear-cutting, is subsidy. ployment has been the flood of low-priced future have to be paid. That time has come textile and apparel imports. China has been In fact, it is the polluters, not the environ- in the United States, as the economic stag- a principle and growing source of these im- mentalists, who are undermining the free- nation of the past decade so vividly demon- ports-it now accounts for 11 percent of all misuse of the environ- market system. Their strates. U.S. textile and apparel imports. Between ment mocks the basic theory of free-market 1978 and 1983, while U.S. global imports of competition: That every participant will pay Our increasingly capital-starved society textiles and apparel increased by 22 percent, the full cost of production, the most effi- can no longer afford to subsidize the ineffi- Chinese imports increased by 280 percent. cient will prosper through competitive suc- cient producer by plundering the public's The Chinese themselves make no bones cess, and thus society will maximize its eco- basic treasure lode: the environment. Per- about the fact that they grant export subsi- nomic output. manently revitalizing the economy will re- dies, in the form of a dual exchange rate, to The subsidies that environmental pollu- quire the proper use of environmental re- increase their market penetration abroad. tion gives to inefficient producers distort sources. It is time to pierce the rhetoric to As a result, our own textile and apparel in- the economy as surely as price-fixing and the contrary and take a hard look at the dustry must compete in the U.S. market consumer fraud. Every time a company fat- profound economic need for environmental against government-subsidized Chinese tens its profits by slipshod disposal of toxic protection.e products. In effect, the government of November 3,1983 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS 30897 China is bankrolling an effort to take sales badly and unfairly injured. We have a law Ohio, expressed that limited consensus away from American producers-who, as that Congress enacted to meet precisely this when he said that if there were "a problem you know, get no comparable government situation. It would be a serious matter if the ... regarding Chinese imports," and I'm assistance. This is the type of problem that Executive now fails to enforce this law. Mr. quoting Mr. Vanik now, the United States Congress intended our countervailing duty Chairman, the Congress will be watching would have "the right to impose the full law to remedy. I hope and trust that you with concern your resolution of the issues range of domestic safeguards available will not be deterred by extraneous foreign you have raised. under our trade laws .... "And of course, policy considerations from enforcing the Thank you for your time and attention. that "range" included the countervailing law fully and fairly, as it was intended to be duty law. enforced. STATEMENT OFCONGRESSMAN CARROLL A. Now I understand that there is a lot of You have raised two specific issues for CAMPBELL, JR. pressure on the Department not to apply comment which I would like to address Thank you Mr. Chairman. My name is the countervailing duty law to China and briefly. First, you ask whether the U.S. Carroll A. Campbell. I am the United States other non-market countries. Some of that countervailing duty law applies to countries Representative from the Fourth District of pressure is coming from farmers who want such as China with government-controlled South Carolina. to sell grain to China. I can understand economies. I want to thank the Department for these concerns. I was a farmer for many The law itself applies by its terms to "any giving me the opportunity to appear at years myself and I know that it's not an country"-period. As you know it is a cardi- today's hearing. Like my fellow South Caro- easy life. nal rule of statutory construction that linians Senator Thurmond and Senator Hol- But fair is fair. We can't have one law absent a clearly expressed intent to the con- lings, I am vitally concerned about the that we apply to all free-market countries trary, the language of the statute must ordi- issues raised by this conference. Your deci- and another that we apply, basically, to narily be regarded as conclusive. In this sions here will have a very real and visible communist countries that completely run case, there is nothing in the law or the legis- impact on many of my constituents who their economies by controlling everything. lative history to suggest that the Congress depend on the textile and apparel industries And we do not have that kind of a law. It intended to carve out a special exemption for their livelihoods. These people will be would not be fair to our traditional trading for countries with state-run economies. looking to you for evidence of the Adminis- partners, and it would not protect our do- Therefore, I question why the Commerce tration's commitment to fair, even-handed, mestic industries. The law we do have, Department is raising this issue at all. and vigorous enforcement of the trade laws. which applies to all countries, is the only I realize that foreign policy consider- According to your notice, this conference fair way to deal with everybody. ations, namely our efforts to improve rela- is focused on two issues: (1) whether the The second issue under consideration here tions with China, may tempt Commerce to United States countervailing duty law ap- is whether a dual exchange rate that applies look for a way to avoid applying the law in plies to non-market economy countries; and to the entire trade sector, and that is paid in what appears to be a clear-cut case of (2) whether benefits conferred on exports non-convertible currency, can be a counter- export subsidization by another govern- by certain broad-based dual exchange rate vailable subsidy. From what I understand, ment. Commerce must resist that tempta- systems are countervailable under our law. that is not an accurate description of tion. In my view, the answer to both issues is China's exchange rate system. That is, of A ruling that the countervailing duty law clearly "yes." course, another matter that you will have to does not apply to state-run economies would With respect to the first issue-the appli- address specifically in the countervailing to severely and unnecessarily weaken that law, cability of the countervailing duty law duty case now pending against China. which was enacted to protect American "non-market" or "state-controlled" econo- In general, however, the law requires that firms and workers from precisely the kind my countries-the answer lies in the text of a countervailing duty be imposed to offset of practices that are now supporting Chi- the law itself. As my colleagues from the the effect of a subsidy. It does not matter the law states that nese imports. If the law does not apply to Senate have emphasized, how the subsidy is conferred. It seems that "shall be imposed" to China, then why should it apply to France, a countervailing duty the Chinese used to use a lot of different, of by "any country." where the government is in the process offset a subsidy granted direct subsidies to stimulate exports. much of the economy? How There is no ambiguity in this broad, encom- nationalizing Then, in 1981, they introduced a new a host of other coun- passing language. No suggestion that the about Brazil, Italy, or system that relied on a dual, or perhaps a owns and runs law excepts any country from its oper- tries where the government multiple, exchange rate to do the same job. of the entire economy? ation-for any reason. an increasing share This system, like its predecessor, was in- matter of degree. If we weaken In fact, the law is perfectly clear. It re- It is only a tended to act as an incentive to export Chi- are virtually inviting quires that all countries be treated equally the law in this way, we industry prod- other countries with substantial state-run as far as the countervailing duty law is con- nese goods, especially light economies to invade our markets with subsi- cerned. ucts like textiles and apparel. The Chinese of dized imports. I urge you not to set this dan- And that makes good sense. My constitu- are not shy about this being the purpose gerous precedent. ents in South Carolina don't care whether their system. They announce it plainly. The second point is whether a dual ex- the subsidized goods that hurt them come And, if trade statistics are any indication, successful. In the change rate can be a subsidy if the currency from so-called non-market economy coun- the system has been very is non-convertible and if the same rate ap- tries, or from free-market countries. The nearly three years since it was put into plies to all imports and exports. Again, my unfair competition that these goods repre- effect, China has done away with its trade question is, where is the statutory language sent hurts them just the same either way. deficit, and has acquired a substantial trade or legislative history that suggests these Because the law doesn't give any country surplus. factors should prevent an export subsidy a special deal, that means that it applies to My constituents in South Carolina do not from being countervailable? The law itself the People's Republic of China in the same have to read trade statistics, however, to gives broad scope to the forms of govern- way that it applies to every other country. I know about the success of China's export ment aid that can constitute export subsi- was on the floor of the House in January incentives. Their knowledge is first hand. dies-and as China's Vice Chairman of the 1980 when we debated a resolution approv- Without the countervailing duty law, do- Import-Export Commission, Wei Yunming, ing most-favored-nation status for China. I mestic industries like the South Carolina told the Far Eastern Economic Review, will tell you quite frankly that I had the textile mills are very vulnerable to these in- China's dual exchange rate "is used only to gravest reservations about taking this step direct subsidy programs. With the law subsidize exports. It is a means of subsidiz- and, in fact, voted against it. One of the strictly and fairly enforced, however, China ing our export industries." many questions that I and others had was: can compete here on an equal footing with Again I am concerned that Commerce What would the effect of MFN status be on our other trading partners, and with our do- may be seeking to carve out a loophole in Chinese imports? Unfortunately, my worst mestic industries. Everybody will be protect- the law to avoid taking action in the China fears were realized. Contrary to the predic- ed. case-a loophole that Congress did not tions of the resolution's proponents, there In summary, the Department's responsi- intend to be there. I don't see why we has been a steady surge of Chinese imports bility to impose the countervailing duty law cannot accept the Chinese characterization ever since MFN status was granted. on all countries and all subsidy practices of their own system at face value-and During the 1980 debate, however, there does not vary either because of the kind of apply the law as it is meant to be applied. was one thing that everyone agreed on. And economy a country has, or the nature or The trade laws are really the only defense that was that the U.S. trade laws, all of the complexity of the system that it uses. More- American firms and workers have against trade laws, would be available to protect do- over, it is clear that the countervailing duty unfair trade practices by foreign govern- mestic industries from unfairly traded Chi- statute does not give the Department the ments. Here we have a situation where an nese imports. One of the MFN resolution's option of ignoring the law simply because it important American industry has been chief proponents, my colleague Mr. Vanik of may be awkward or inconvenient to apply. 30898 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS November 3,1983 Other kinds of policy decisions have no arise. If we fail to countervail now, every brate at Sacred Heart Church on place in your consideration of this case. other country will be able to manipulate the North Main Street in Wilkes-Barre. Finally, Mr. Chairman, I would say that foreign exchange market with impunity. That is the same church where he was what it appears to me we have here is a case The decision by state-controlled countries of, if it looks like a duck and it walks like a can be influenced severely by how U.S. raised and in whose elementary school duck and it quacks like a duck then it's a unfair trade practices laws are applied. he was a student many years ago. On duck. If the Chinese themselves say it's an The countervailing duty laws is surely ap- November 27, he will come back to the export subsidy and if it subsidizes Chinese plicable to non-market economy nations. I people of his parish, to his family, rel- exports by some 40 percent, then it's a sub- hope this Department will move promptly atives, friends, and neighbors. He will sidy. I would hope the Department will find to complete this investigation which will return as a man of God who has done as much. have a fair-reaching impact on all domestic much in God's world. His accomplish- Thank you for your attention. industries and their foreign competitors.e ments are a source of pride to us all TESTIMONY OF HoN. BUTLER DERRICK and the day of rejoicing on his behalf Thank you for affording me the opportu- TESTIMONIAL DINNER TO will be a significant one in the Wilkes- nity to appear before you today. I am cer- HONOR ABBOT JEROME Barre community. tainly pleased that this Department has ac- KOVAL ON THE OCCASION OF It is an honor for me, Mr.Speaker, cepted the petition by the textile industry THE 40TH JUBILEE OF HIS OR- to pay tribute to Abbot Jerome Koval, to initiate this countervailing duty investi- DINATION OSB, and to share this significant gation. The main issue here today is wheth- event with my friends and colleagues er the countervailing duty law, the oldest HON. FRANK HARRISON in the House.e U.S. law dealing with unfair trade practices, is applicable to non-market economy coun- OF PENNSYLVANIA tries. This investigation is indeed unprece- IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES "COACH" GEORGE HALAS dented in the history of the countervailing Thursday,November 3, 1983 FATHER OF THE NFL duty law. This law was enacted in 1897 to counteract the effects of subsidies granted 0 Mr. HARRISON. Mr. Speaker, on by foreign countries to producers of exports Sunday evening, November 27, a testi- HON. JACK F.KEMP to the United States. monial dinner will honor the Right OF NEW YORK Sections 301-306 of the Trade Act of 1974 Reverend Abbot Jerome Koval, OSB, as recently amended by the Trade Agree- on the occasion of the 40th jubilee of IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ment Act of 1979 clearly provides the U.S. his ordination to the priesthood. Thursday,November 3, 1983 with the necessary tools to enforce U.S. rights under trade agreements and to re- Abbot Koval was born February 27, " Mr. KEMP. Mr. Speaker, this past spond to certain foreign trade practices of 1917, in Wilkes-Barre, the son of the Monday, October 31, 1983, a legend in countries which are not partners in such an late Andrew and Elizabeth Koval. He professional sports, the father of pro- agreement. attended Sacred Heart Elementary fessional football in the NFL, George Officials of the Peoples Republic of China School and Coughlin High School. He Halas, Sr., passed away. have openly declared their intention to was graduated from the Benedictine Sir Isaac Newton once wrote, "If I target the export market of textile products High School, in Cleveland, Ohio, in to manipulate the foreign exchange afford- have seen further, it is by standing 1935. Thereafter, he attended St. Pro- upon the shoulders of giants." All of ed their manufacturers to increase their ex- copius College, St. Benedict's College, ports. Under China's "internal settlement us who have ever been involved in pro- rate" introduced in January, 1981, there is a and Notre Dame University. He did fessional football stand on the shoul- definite contrast between the official ex- graduate work both at the Catholic ders of this great man who was player, change rate of 1.9939 yuan to the dollar University of America and at John coach, and owner of the Chicago compared to an exchange rate for Chinese Carroll University in Cleveland, Ohio. Bears, the team he "lived and died enterprises engaged in exports of 2.8 Chi- On July 2, 1938, Abbot Koval was for," for more than 60 years. nese yuan to the dollar. It had also been re- professed as a Benedictine monk of St. ported that major textile exporters are al- National Football League Commis- Andrew's Abbey in Cleveland. On De- sioner Pete Rozelle said of Coach lowed to keep up to 15 percent of their for- cember 14, 1943, he was ordained to eign earnings. The ability of these exporters Halas: to retain U.S. dollars is certainly another the holy priesthood. He leaves modern professional football as significant benefit. This dual exchange rate Over the years, Abbot Koval was his memorial. George was the National is not, by definition, a devaluation. prefect of resident students at Bene- Football League-its founder, the driving I am sure the economic issues involved in dictine High School in Cleveland force that sustained it during struggling pio- this investigation will be covered ably by where he taught both sociology and neer years ** *the revered elder statesman representatives of the textile industry and I, religion. He has served as chaplain of whose vision and vitality were pivotal in the therefore, do not wish to argue that point. that institution and as president of league's growth. However, for the record I would like to the high school from 1966 to the I feel very fortunate to have counted state that political considerations have tra- ditionally overridden the importance of eco- present. George Halas as a dear friend who I nomic issues in our international trade poli- On April 26, 1966, Jerome Koval was greatly admired. His undying enthusi- cies with nonmarket economy countries. elected Abbot of St. Andrew's Abbey asm for life and football was reflected There has also been a substantial differen- and continued in that capacity until in everything he did. George had a tiation among state-controlled economy his retirement in 1981. Since that motto for life, "He liked to win." countries in establishing and maintaining time, he has been appointed by Bishop As one looks back at George Halas' trade and economic relations. In spite of Clarence Issenmann of the Cleveland life, from his work as a director on the how complex this case might be, I ask that diocese to administer the sacrament of Board of NFL Charities, where this department stringently apply the coun- I tervailing duty laws on the books and not confirmation. He also served as associ- served with him, to those pioneering allow political considerations to overshadow ate pastor of Assumption Parish in days of professional football and the our commitment to providing import relief Broadview Heights, Ohio. NFL, the words of former Chicago to domestic industries and to combatting Abbot Koval has two sisters, Mrs. quarterback, Sid Luckman, from the unfair trade practices. Because these devel- Ann Zak and Mrs. Mary Lada, both of Bears "Monsters of Midway," say it oping countries need to maximize the use of Wilkes-Barre. A third, Sister Mary An- all. "He was a man who stood tall, and raw materials, many are shifting their acleta, SSCM, is deceased as is his a man who was magnificent every step export priorities toward manufactured prod- brother, Bernard, who was killed in of the way." ucts, an area in which laws on unfair trade practices must be stringently applied and action during World War II. Following is an article by Dave An- are of great significance to U.S. industries. It is fitting and appropriate, Mr. derson from the New York Times As nonmarket economy exports expend, Speaker, that this testimonial dinner which tells the whole story of this the potential for an increasing number of will follow a mass of thanksgiving wonderful man who we all called dumping and countervailing duty cases will which Abbot Jerome Koval will cele- "Coach." November 3,1983 EXTENSIONS OF REMARKS 30899 I commend it to my colleagues, and "We'll murder 'em,"George Halas said. "It's nice to meet you, gentlemen," the express my most profound respects "Attaway,good seeing you, Coach." President said. "I've always enjoyed animal and my prayers to the Halas family. "Hey, pal, how about a free beer?" acts." Long after he had The article follows: stopped coaching, But over nearly 64 seasons as the Bears' George Halas remained the "Coach" to ev- owner, George Halas helped build the THE BEAR WHO REALLY WAS ONE eryone who knew him, especially other N.F.L. from "animal acts" into what is now He was 82 then,still at his desk six days a coaches. a three-TV network circus. Once he was week as the Chicago Bears' owner. George "There is only one man I embrace when asked to explain himself. Halas was talking in 1977 about Walter we meet," the late Vince Lombardi once "I liked to win, and I fought for every- Payton, the most recent of the famous run- said, "and only one I call Coach." thing in the book," he said. "Nothing else ning backs in the Bears' history that was George Halas was 68 when he coached the mattered."o also their owner's history. Walter Payton Bears to their last N.F.L. title in 1963, de- had rushed the previous Sunday for 275 feating the Giants, 14-10, at Wrigley Field yards, still the one-game record in the Na- in the championship game. THE AMERICAN PRESS VS. THE tional Football League, and now the Bears "There isn't room," he said the next day, were awaiting a Thanksgiving Day game in "for many of these things in one lifetime." WORLD Detroit. Considering his lifetime of 88 years, "That'sthe great thing about pro football, George Halas had more room than most HON. DAVID DREIER something like what Walter did Sunday you people. His Bears also won the champion- usually enjoy for a whole week," George ship in 1946, 1943, 1941, 1940, 1933, 1932 and OFCALIFORNIA Halas was saying. "But not this time, damn 1921. But since that 1963 title, the Bears IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES it. I wish we weren't playing the Lions so have qualified for the N.P.L. playoffs only quick, so we could savor what Walter did a twice, losing to the Dallas Cowboys in 1977 Thursday,November 3,1983 little longer." and to the Philadelphia Eagles in 1979. Be- e Mr. DREIER of California. Mr. Until his death Monday night George cause of the team's struggle, the "old man," Halas savored pro football longer than any- as George Halas was known in Chicago, not Speaker, this morning I read with in- body else. He also suggested it, shaped it always affectionately, was often criticized terest an article in the New York and showcased it. for having allowed the family franchise to Times that seems to sum up world re- When the league that would develop into deteriorate and for having been a Scrooge in action to the President's decision to the N.F.L. was formed in Canton, Ohio, on paying his players. During a contract dis- liberate Grenada. It seems that while Sept. 17, 1920, George Halas was there in pute after the 1966 season, Mike Ditka, an the American people-after being told Ralph Hay's Hupmobile showroom at the all-pro tight end, described the Papa Bear's the facts-now fully support him, so first meeting of organizers from 12 Midwest- payroll philosophy. ern cities. He was representing the Decatur "He throws nickels around," Mike Ditka too are the editorial pages of our (Ill). Staleys, who would move to Chicago in said,"like they were manhole covers." allies. 1921 and one year later be baptized as the Mike Ditka soon was traded. But when the Our European and Pacific allies Bears. Bears needed a new coach after the 1981 have their concerns, and that is natu- "We only had two chairs at that meeting," season, George Halas hired Mike Ditka, ob- ral. The Caribbean is our backyard he often said. "Everybody else sat on the viously offering him a salary with enough and it is totally expected that our view runningboards or the fenders." "manhole covers" while ignoring the would be slightly different from In the beginning, George Halas was a rare memory of that remark. theirs. But we do not need anybody's triple threat-owner, coach and captain (as Dick Butkus, an all-pro middle linebacker, right end on offense and defense). By the also feuded with George Halas, filing a $1.6 permission to protect and safeguard time the Pappa Bear stopped coaching at million suit in 1974 against the Bears for our security and interests, and our age 73, his record, including playoff games, "irreparable damage" to his knees because allies know this. over four separate 10-year tenures was 326- of improper medical attention. Press editorials in Germany and 150-31 (.673) and the Bears had won eight Dick Butkus eventually agreed to a settle- France are beginning to swing behind N.F.L. titles; only the Green Bay Packers ment for a reported $600,000, alienating the our position as we prepare to leave the have won more, 11. But the Papa Bear Papa Bear even more. But when Dick island. We accomplished our goals: the always argued that his team should have Butkus was elected to the Pro Football Hall been declared the 1924 champion, too. In of Fame in 1979, he chose George Halas to evacuation of 1,000 Americans and the those years, before a playoff game between be his presentor at his induction. Papa Bear laying of ground-work that will insure the division winners, the championship was accepted, although illness kept him in Chi- a democratic government for the awarded at a league meeting. cago. people of Grenada. "I left the meeting to go to the wash- George Halas virtually created a private It seems that the one last hold out is room," he often complained,"and when I wing for the Bears at the Canton shrine. the American press-which is still irri- got back, they had voted the championship Of its 119 members, 19 in addition to the tated that no one in the Pentagon to Cleveland." Papa Bear himself were established Bear George Halas had the personality of the players, more than any other team-Doug leaked the correct information con- pioneer he was-not only tough but crusty, Atkins, George Blanda, Dick Butkus, cerning our military activities. Wake not only a successful coach but a successful George Connor,Paddy Driscoll, Danny For- up. Press opinions are falling on deaf businessman, not only a Chicago institution mann, Bill George, Red Grange, Ed Healy, ears. The American people know what but also one of its museums, not only a Bear Bill Hewitt, Sid Luckman, Link Lyman, they want in a President and last week but a bear. At the Pro Football Hall of George McAfee, George Musso, Bronko Na- Ronald Reagan gave it to them. Fame in Canton, he once stared beyond his gurski, Gale Sayers, Joe Stydahar, George bronzed bust at a photo in which he was Trafton, and Bulldog Turner. [Fromthe New York Times, Nov. 3, 19833 growling at a referee. "Nagurski," the Papa Bear once said of INVASION OF GRENADA WINS ALLIED BACKERS "I don't know what I was talking about," the fullback of the '30's,"what a man!" AFTER INITIAL DISSENT he said, "but I'm sure I was right." Another of his favorites was Sid Luckman, (ByJohn Vinocur) When he decided to leave the sidelines the quarterback who guided the 73-0 rout of after the 1968 season, George Halas blamed the Washington Redskins in the 1940 cham- PARIS, Nov. 2-After strong initial disap- an arthritic hip that was originally injured pionship game,thereby affirming the T for- proval by United States allies, several politi- while he was a young outfielder with the mation in the N.F.L. cians and commentators in Western Europe New York Yankees in 1919. "Luckman could do it all," the Papa Bear are saying they now understand the inva- "I knew it was time to stop coaching," he once said. "Pass, run, kick, defend and sion of Grenada better and in some cases said. "I started to go after an official walk- think." approve of it. ing along the sideline and I couldn'tkeep up Red Grange, the all-America halfback The most forthright statements have with him." from Illinois, joined the Bears in 1925 for a come from conservative and moderate politi- Until illnesses hospitalized him in recent late-season barnstorming tour that attract- cians in France. And Le Monde, which is years, he enjoyed being recognized as he ed nearly 400,000 people to 18 games, as well widely regarded as the country's most influ- drove his blue Lincoln through the Chicago as to the concept of pro football. But not ev- ential newspaper, said today in an editorial streets. At a red light once, a beer-truck eryone in the nation was aware. When a that the events in Grenada were "a failure driver yelled over. senator introduced George Halas and Red for Cuba." The Christian Democratic-led "Hey, Coach, you guys gonna win Grange "of the Chicago Bears" to Calvin Government in West Germany has also Sunday?" Coolidge, the President smiled. softened its earlier criticism a degree.