Queensland

Parliamentary Debates [Hansard]

Legislative Assembly

WEDNESDAY, 25 AUGUST 1965

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WEDNESDAY, 25 AUGUST, 1965 of bedroom furniture or similar articles to the purchasers of certain type refrigerators? Mr. SPEAKER (Hon. D. E. Nicholson, Murrumba) read prayers and took the chair ( 3) What steps does he intend to take at 11 a.m. to curb the trade practices of these "Refrigerator Racketeers"? QUESTIONS Answers:- RENTS AND ACCOMMODATION CHARGES PAID BY PENSIONERS.-Mr. Aikens, pursuant ( 1 ) "It is recognized that there are to notice, asked The Minister for Justice,- unhealthy practices developing in the electrical goods retailing business, but I What action, if any, does he propose to cannot take notice of generalised allega­ take under the Landlord and Tenant Act tions such as that made by the Honourable or in any other way to ensure that the Member. However, should the Honourable increase of 10s. per week in the rent and/or Member furnish details, I shall be pleased board and lodging allowance (known as to have the matter examined." Supplementary Assistance) as provided for in the recent Federal Budget for certain (2) (a) It is well known that large pensioners, is not grabbed by predatory discounts and gifts of varied descriptions landlords in the form of increased rentals are offered by some distributors in order to and charges for accommodation? promote sales of refrigerators and other electrical goods. While this is a matter which obviously should be taken into Answer:- account by a prospective purchaser in con­ ''The Honourable Member's question sidering any deal offered to him, it would contains imputations as well as being hypo­ be an unwarranted interference with the thetical but I might here say that matters rights of the individual to attempt to lay relating to "The Landlord and Tenant down by Departmental edict the precise Acts" are constantly being kept under view nature of any arrangement which might be by my Department." entered into by a purchaser with the sup­ plier of the article he desires to obtain. (b) "The Trade Coupons Acts, 1933 to 1947," prohibit the issue of coupons and, SUBSIDY TO YOUNG WOMEN'S CHRISTIAN briefly, the gift of goods contingent upon AssociATION.-Mr. Aikens, pursuant to the sale of an article to a purchaser made notice, asked The Premier,- at the time of issue or delivery of the article ( 1) Does the Government subsidise in purchased. Again, no action can be sus­ any way the work and activities of the tained, unless there is proof of a particular Young Women's Christian Association, sale made and of the making of a gift of and, if so, in what manner and to what goods in terms of the advertisement. There­ cost annually to the State? fore, if the Honourable Member can (2) If no form of subsidy is granted, furnish such proof, I shall be pleased to can he inform the House if a subsidy is have the matter investigated." granted in all other States and, if so, why (3) "See answers to (1) and (2). It is has his Government adopted a contrary also thought that any legislation which the policy? Commonwealth Parliament might enact, relating to trade practices, could possibly Answers:- also have a bearing on this matter." (!) "There is no direct subsidy paid to the Young Women's Christian Association by the Government; but I understand that TRAINING OF AUSTRALIANS IN PEARL the National Fitness Council make an CuLTURE.-Mr. Duggan, pursuant to notice, annual contribution to the Association as asked The Treasurer,- assistance towards Leadership Training." (!) Is every company indenting Japanese (2) "I am not aware of the practice pearl-culture technicians required to agree adopted in other States." to instruct local labour in the techniques of pearl-culture production? UNDESIRABLE PRACTICES IN SALE OF (2) Does this mean that local labour ELECTRICAL GooDs.-Mr. Sherrington, pur­ must be trained in the fundamentals of suant to notice, asked The Minister for the nucleus-insertion operations and also Labour and Industry,- in other techniques basic to the industry? ( 1) Is he aware of the ever-increasing (3) Are any steps taken to ensure that volume of false and misleading advertising such training takes place? relating to the sale of electrical goods? ( 4) How many Australians have (2) Are any steps being taken by his definitely been trained in all, or any, of Department to investigate (a) the huge the techniques involved? discounts being offered in connection with (5) Has any consideration been given the purchase of refrigerators, washing to (a) reopening, as a basis of training machine~ &c., and (b) the gift of a suite for Australians and especially Torres Questions [25 AuGusT] Questions 121

Strait Islanders, the experimental pearl­ tax payable where the Railway Depart­ culture station established many years ago ment finds itself unable to cope with the at Thursday Island and (b) any other heavy numbers of stock being forced on steps to train and encourage Australians to the market as this applies particularly to set up pearl-culture farms so that the to Central Queensland and the Burnett industry will cease to be completely River districts? dependent on Japanese interests? Answer:- Answer:- "The Government is aware of the diffi­ ( 1 to 5) "My Government has agreed to culties facing primary producers in the the entry of Japanese pearl culture tech­ drought-stricken areas in Queensland and nicians into Queensland on condition that has rendered substantial financial help in no work should be allotted them which alleviating their position. Rebates allowed could be performed by local labour and through the Railway Department in freight that Australians (including Torres Strait on fodder and starving stock during the Islanders) should be instructed by the months of April to July last totalled Japanese specialists in the various tech­ £278,212 whilst the road permit fees waived niques of pearl culture. Whilst the funda­ for the transport of fodder for starving mental techniques of nucleus insertion stock from July 5 to August 8 last totalled operations are no secret to Australian technicians they remain a specialist's task £10,260. Whilst every effort is being made and the Japanese operatives are, in the by the Railway Department to supply all main, University graduates or of similar the livestock wagons necessary to shift the academic achievement. It is regrettable to livestock offering, the great demand for date that candidates for instruction with the wagons is causing some delays. However, necessary educational background and no railway system can be expected to have qualifications have not been forthcoming to reserve stocks of wagons to meet abnormal test the availability of this tuition. The requirements. Consideration has been given pearl culture industry has been established by State Cabinet to a reduction in road with success in the Torres Strait with the transport fees but it is not possible to draw use of Japanese technical skill. It now a line between the normal road movements employs over 500 Australians compared of livestock and those which are specifically with about 35 Japanese technicians. A con­ siderable number of the Australians have caused by the lack of rail wagons without received training in the general nursery creating a problem which could involve the procedures and associated functions. In my State in legal difficulty and possible loss of opinion, the industry has a more pressing considerable revenue from other sources. need for research into pearl shell farming The fees being charged for the road move­ than for training of Australian technicians, ment of livestock generally are half or less and my Government has decided to pro­ than half of the fees levied for the trans­ mote and participate in such a programme port of general goods which, in itself, of research. Steps towards promoting this represents a concession of over £250,000 programme are now being taken by the per annum to stock consignors. However, Department of Harbours and Marine with State Cabinet has requested the Railway the Commonwealth, the Island Industries Department to take every possible action Board and C.S.I.R.O. I cannot say at this to ensure that in the allocation of rail stage, whether this programme will call for trucks due regard is paid to the most the re-opening of the experimental pearl drought-stricken areas of the State and that culture station at Thursday Island." severely drought-stricken stock are given priority over movements of primarily a EMPLOYEES IN RAILWAY DEPARTMENT.­ marketing nature." Mr. Duggan, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Transport,- What were the numbers of employees in CONSTRUCTION OF ARMY BASE IN ToWNS­ each of the South-eastern, South-western, VILLE AREA.- Central and Northern Divisions of the ( a) Mr. Tucker, pursuant to notice, asked Railway Department at June 30, 1965? The Premier,- Answer:- ( 1) Has he seen the statement by the "South-Eastern Division, 12, 160; South­ Deputy Mayor of Townsville, Alderman Western Division, 2,945; Central Division, G. V. Roberts, as reported in the 5,203; Northern Division, 5,514; Total, Townsville Daily Bulletin on Friday, 25,822." August 20, 1965, pledging the full support of the Townsvil!e City Council to the Commonwealth Constructing Authority REDUCTION IN TAX ON ROAD TRANSPORT and the Army in the construction of the OF STOCK.-Mr. Hewitt, pursuant to notice, new Army base in Townsville, but depre­ asked The Minister for Transport,- cating the methods of negotiation employed With drought conditions still prevailing by the Army and stating, inter alia, "The in most parts of Queensland, will he fact that the Mayor's letter of six weeks consider a substantial reduction in road ago has not been answered by the Minister, 122 Questions [ASSEMBLY] Questions

indicates that the Army will not be satis­ NEW SUPREME COURT BUILDING, ToWNS­ fied until it gets every demand. I think VILLE.-Mr. Tucker, pursuant to notice, asked under these circumstances that the matter The Minister for Justice,- must be referred to the Premier to have What stage has been reached in the it settled on a Premier to Prime Minister planning of a new Supreme Court building basis"? for Townsville and where is it intended (2) Is he in a position to make a to site the building? statement on this vital issue and, if not, is he prepared to ascertain the intention of Answer:- the Department of the Army as regards "Progress is continuing on this matter the Townsville area in order that careful but the stage is still not reached where a detailed planning might proceed at the public announcement thereon may be earliest opportunity? made." Answers:­ TOBACCO INDUSTRY STABILISATION SCHEME. (1) "Yes." -Mr. Wallis-Smith, pursuant to notice, asked (2) "The Townsville City Council has The Minister for Primary Industries,- raised certain queries with me on this matter and these points are now receiving Further to his Answer to my Question consideration." on March 23, 1965, relative to the Tobacco Stabilisation Scheme, that this scheme should definitely safeguard tobacco growers during the 1965 selling season and in view (b) Mr. Graham, pursuant to notice, asked of what has transpired since that date, The Premier,- particularly yesterday's disastrous sale as With regard to the proposal of the reported in The Courier-Mail of August 24. Federal Government to establish an Army is it the Government's intention to take Base North of Townsville, was any action to eliminate any hardship suffered approach made to the Federal Govern­ by tobacco farmers? ment by his Government to have the Base established at the point chosen? If so, Answer:- why was this area recommended? " I am very much aware of the difficulties which have been encountered during this Answer:- year's tobacco leaf sales and I consider tl1at ''No." many of these difficulties would have been avoided if all manufacturers had purchased their requirements in the auction line INSTALLATION OF BOOM GATES AT RAIL­ instead of allowing so much leaf to go to WAY LEVEL CROSSINGS, TOWNSVILLE.-Mr. negotiation and arbitration. As I indicated Tucker, pursuant to notice, asked The in my reply to the Honourable Member's Minister for Transport,- question of March 23, 1965, the Common­ In view of the three level-crossing wealth Government has undertaken to accidents-one of them fatal-which ensure the sale of all tobacco leaf falling recently occurred in Townsville, when is it within the accepted grade schedule up to a intended to erect boom gates and flashing total of 26 million pounds weight at an lights at these points for the protection of average minimum price of 125d. per lb. users of these crossings as well as for the based on a normal quality crop. I have peace of mind of the trainmen? every reason to believe that the Common­ wealth Government will meet this under­ Answer:- taking and that before this year is out all "At two of the level crossings where tobacco leaf which falls within the accepted accidents recently occurred electrically grade schedule will be sold at at least the operated warning signs are provided. At the minimum price for its appropriate grade. third level crossing where the fatal accident In view of this every grower who has occurred there are Police stop signs as well delivered tobacco leaf of acceptable grade as an Australian Standard Level Crossing to this year's sales should receive payment sign. The Department has a progressive at least equivalent to the minimum prices policy of installing boom gates and flashing for the grades of leaf delivered by him." lights at a number of level crossings each year and Hugh Street, Townsville, is included in the programme for this financial APPEALS BY GROWERS AGAINST TOBACCO year. However, it must be said on behalf QuoTAs.-Mr. Lloyd, pursuant to notice, of the Railway Department that there is asked The Minister for Primary Industries,- also some responsibility on the part of motorists to exercise care at all times, and ( 1) How many appeals have been that there are set traffic practices to be received by the Tobacco Stabilisation followed when approaching Railway cross­ Interim Quota Committee against its quota ings." allocations? Questions [25 AUGUST] Questions 123

(2) How many of these appeals have ( 4) "It would not be possible to give been upheld? proper consideration to any question of (3) Has the committee inquired into the financial assistance until the final position number of growers who may be forced out is known." of the industry or into the position of part­ time growers by reduced production BRIGALOW LAND DEVELOPMENT SCHEME.­ created, if the interim quotas become Mr. Lloyd, pursuant to notice, asked The operative? Minister for Lands,- ( 4) Has consideration been given to the ( 1) What was the total expenditure, as question of special financial assistance to at June 30, 1965, on the Brigalow Land growers most severely affected by the Development Scheme? interim quota on a Commonwealth-State (2) What was the cost, including State basis and having regard to the answer to subsidy, as at the same date, of road con­ Question ( 3) and the withdrawal of struction by local authorities within the trading bank financial accommodation due area of the scheme? to the operation of the interim quota? ( 3) How many blocks have been settled Answers:- and what were the aggregate prices received for (a) freehold and (b) lease­ ( 1) "Until such time as the necessary hold land? legislation is passed there can be no statu­ tory issue of tobacco leaf marketing quotas ( 4) In how many cases have blocks of or determination of appeals. In the mean­ the land either reverted to the Crown or time all that can be done is to give growers been resold as (a) freehold and (b) lease­ an indication as to how their quotas are hold, since the inception of the scheme? likely to work out under the formula put (5) What was the existing indebtedness forward by the industry. I have previously outlined this formula in answer to questions of those blocks at the time of reversion or in this House. An Interim Quota Commit­ resale? tee has been carrying out this work and the Committee has invited growers to submit Answers:- requests for review so that all circum­ (1) "£2,174,607." stances can be taken into consideration. The (2) "£247,913." Chairman of the Interim Quota Committee ( 3) "Eighteen sold at auction which has advised me that a total of 817 quota aggregated £491,000 in purchase prices indications have been given to tobacco payable over 10 years. Sixty-four Purchase growers and that 506 of these growers have Leases opened to ballot, the aggregate pur­ so far submitted in writing requests for chase prices being £757,750 payable over review. In addition a substantial number twenty-five years. Thirteen Grazing of growers have made personal approaches Homesteads opened to ballot for which to members of the Committee." rent only is received. Ninety-five total (2) "The Interim Quota Committee is blocks." reviewing all cases in which a request in ( 4) "Nine blocks have reverted to the writing has been lodged and some cases Crown. Seven of these were subsequently have been reviewed several times. So far sold at auction under freeholding title. One the initial quota indications given to 162 was balloted for as a Grazing Homestead growers have been increased following and the remaining one balloted for as a Purchase Lease." review. It is understood that some thirty requests for review most of which have (5) "£9,973 on two of the blocks which only recently been received are awaiting has since been recovered when the blocks consideration by the Committee. These are were sold at auction. The other seven blocks reverted to the Crown before any expected to be completed within the next advances were made." \Veek." (3) "The Interim Committee is endeav­ ouring as far as possible to ensure that PRODUCTION OF LOW-GRADE SUGAR.- growers are retained in the industry. It will Mr. Byrne, pursuant to notice, asked The not be possible, however, to properly assess Minister for Primary Industries,- the position until the Interim Committee On the subject of the poor quality of has completed its task. In the meantime, raw sugar manufactured last year, will he however, I am informed that a number of supply full particulars of the quantity and cases have arisen where the grower con­ quality of raw sugar produced to the latest cerned would have little chance of surviv­ available date in this season by individual ing in the industry regardless of quota. It sugar mills? cannot be assumed therefore that because a grower leaves the industry he has been AnsJver:- forced out by the quota system. Rather is "The subject of raw sugar quality is it the case that in the absence of the most complicated and it is not possible to stabilisation scheme and quotas many more stipulate a single measure of quality. In growers would be forced out of the indus­ effect, quality of sugar means its accept­ try." ability to refiners. For many years the 124 Questions [ASSEMBLY] Questions

quality of Australian raw sugar (i.e., its the Solicitor-General who advised that the acceptability to refiners) has steadily driver's liability would be a civil liability. improved. Last year, due to certain circum­ The Solicitor-General stated that he could stances, there were some difficulties. The not suggest any action on the part of the Government and the Sugar Board are Commissioner and that the action clearly determined that only high quality sugar would have to be taken civilly by the person will be supplied to customers and a system who entered into the contract with the bus of checking has been set up to ensure that service. In the circumstances no further this is achieved. Mills are co-operating with action was taken by the Commissioner for the Sugar Board and the system is working Transport." well. There is no doubt that the continued improvement each year in quality will be resumed and no difficulties, such as occur­ TAXABLE INCOME UNDER HOUSING COM­ red last year, will reappear. As I have MISSION LIFE INSURANCE SCHEME.-Mr. indicated, it is not possible to stipulate a Coburn, pursuant to notice, asked The quality measure, but the Honourable Minister for Works,- Member may be assured that this season's As the insurance cover, free of charge, by manufacture is good and our customers are life insurance for an amount sufficient to satisfied. The quantity of sugar made at liquidate a borrower's indebtedness to individual mills to the latest common date the Queensland Housing Commission in is as per the list which I now lay on the the event of his death is restricted to Table of the House." borrowers under the age of forty years whose taxable income does not exceed Paper.-Whereupon Mr. Dewar laid upon £1 ,040 per annum, will he consider increas­ the Table of the House the list referred to. ing the allowable taxable income because of the change in circumstances since it OFF-LOADING OF CHILDREN FROM CHAR­ was initiated? TERED Bus.-Mr. Knox, pursuant to notice, Answer:- asked The Minister for Transport,- "It is not at present proposed to review In view of an incident some weeks ago the conditions for this free life insurance when school children returning from a which is intended as a measure of protec­ sports meeting were off-loaded from a tion to the low income group for whom chartered bus some seven miles from their the cost of insurance premiums could be destination, what was the nature and extent an obstacle to their taking out normal life of the investigations made by the Trans­ insurance cover." port Department into this incident and the consequential action which the Department was able to take? MERZ McLELLAN REPORT ON ELECTRICITY SuPPLY.-Mr. Sherrington, pursuant to notice, Answer:- asked The Minister for Industrial Develop­ ment,- "Investigations into the incident men­ tioned by the Honourable Member were (1) Was the firm of Merz McLellan carried out by a Transport Department retained as adviser to the State Electricity Officer. The bus was operating under Commission? charter to the Banyo High School and in (2) What was the amount of the annual the course of his enquiries the officer inter­ retainer fee? viewed the Principal of the Banyo High School, the School's Sports Master, the (3) When was the last report received Officer in Charge of the School Cadets and from this firm? two Prefects. He interviewed the owner of Answers:- the omnibus service and the driver of the bus concerned. A report was also obtained (!) "Yes, such action received approval by the Commissioner of Police from a in November, 1962." Police Officer who was on traffic duty at (2) "£750 per annum, reduced to £250 the intersection of Countess Street and per annum in 1965." College Road at the time of the incident (3) "June 25, 1965." and who was approached by the bus driver prior to the driver's instructing the children to leave the bus. It was established that the APPOINTMENT OF SAFETY OFFICER TO off-loading was decided upon by the driver STATE ELECTRICITY COMMISSION.-Mr. after an incident involving the improper use Sherrington, pursuant to notice, asked The of the stop bell on the bus. In this regard Minister for Industrial Development,- Section 30 of the Traffic Acts provides, (!) In view of recent developments inter alia, that any person using an omnibus towards safety in the Electrical Industry, operating under a permit issued under the State Transport Act who misconducts him­ has there been any move to appoint a self or causes inconvenience, annoyance or safety officer to the State Electricity discomfort to any person whilst using such Commission? vehicle, may, in addition to being guilty of (2) Are there any trained staff, an offence, be removed from the vehicle by presently employed by the Commission, the driver. The papers were submitted to who could suitably fill such a position? Questions (25 AUGUST] Questions 125

(3) If such an appointment has not been (3) In regard to Question 2 (b) what made, is it proposed to appoint such a are the names of the schools in both person and when? categories in the metropolitan area that have been taken over by Government Answers:­ Departments and what are the names of (1) "Yes." such Government Departments? (2) "Yes." Answers:- ( 3) "Yes. A recommendation is in fact (1) "(a) Metropolitan:-Secondary, 3; being submitted for the approval of the Primary, 8. (b) Rest of State:-Secondary, Governor in Council tomorrow." Nil; Primary, 339." (2) "(i) Metropolitan:-(a), 8; (b), 2; (c) Nil. (ii) Rest of State:-(a) 32; (b), EsTABLISHMENT OF ADDITIONAL SCHOOLS 1; (c), 169." IN MACKAY AREA.-Mr. Graham, pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Education,- (3) "When the Fortitude Valley Oppor­ tunity School was closed the building was Has a survey been taken with regard to taken over by the Civil Defence Organisa­ the necessity of providing further educa­ tion and when the Industrial High School tional facilities in the South and East was closed the accommodation was taken Mackay areas? If so, what was the result over by the Department of Mines." of the survey?

Answer:- HOUSING COMMISSION RENTAL HoUSES, ZILLMERE, CHERMSIDE AND STAFFORD.-Mr. "Yes. A site of about 15 acres has been Melloy, pursuant to notice, asked The acquired for a future Primary School at Minister for Works,- Mackay South. Negotiations have been undertaken with the Land Administration ( 1) What was the total increase in rates Commission for portion of an estate to be payable to the Brisbane City Council by reclaimed by the Crown in the eastern part the Queensland Housing Commission in of Mackay to be made available for school respect to Commission houses in Zillmere, purposes to enable a separate Infants' Chermside and Stafford? School to be established in the Victoria Park Area." (2) How many employees are engaged on maintenance work on Housing Com­ mission houses at Zillmere, Chermside and SMALL-BOAT HARBOUR, MACKAY.-Mr. Stafford? Graham, pursuant to notice, asked The Treasurer,- Answers:- When is it anticipated that finance will ( 1) 'The extraction of the particulars be available for the establishment of a sought by the Honourable Member will entail considerable time in dissection of small-boat harbour in Mackay? the Commission's accounts, and as soon as the information is available I will advise Answer:- the Honourable Member." "The provision of small craft facilities in (2) "Thirty-one employees carry out the Mackay area presents problems of maintenance work as required in North which the Honourable Member is aware. Brisbane suburbs, including Zillmere, The Department of Harbours and Marine Chermside and Stafford. Further mainten­ has taken up with Mackay Harbour Board ance is carried out by contract." the question whether that Board could make sufficient space available within the confines of the Harbour to accommodate PROTECTION AGAINST MATERIALS FALLING facilities for small craft. A reply is awaited FROM MOTOR TRucKs.-Mr. Melloy, pursuant from the Board." to notice, asked The Minister for Mines,- In view of the danger to pedestrians and other motorists, from falling articles, will USE OF CLOSED SCHOOL BUILDINGS.-Mr. he take appropriate departmental action Newton, pursuant to notice, asked The to have all loads of rubbish, &c., adequately Minister for Education,- covered when being transported in open (1) What is the number of secondary vehicles? and primary schools that have been closed by the Department of Education in (a) the Answer:- metropolitan area and (b) the rest of the "This matter has already received the State since 1957? attention of the Police Department and was raised with the Australian Road Traffic (2) Of this number, how many have Code Committee, on which the Common­ been (a) taken over by his Department wealth and all States are represented, for for other purposes, (b) taken over by consideration on an Australia-wide basis, other Government Departments and (c) having in mind the present trend towards a sold for removal in (i) the metropolitan uniformity in traffic laws. The Queensland area and (ii) the rest of the State? law at present creates it an offence for a 126 Questions [ASSEMBLY] Questions

person to drive a vehicle upon a road with (2) Are port facilities available to stow insecurely fastened loading and an offence and handle this cargo from the port of for a person to cause anything to be Cairns, six miles from the works, and, if deposited or dropped on a roadway in a not, has any action been taken to remedy manner likely to cause damage or danger." the position? Answer:- EXCESS CLAUSE, MoTOR VEHICLE COMPRE­ (! and 2) "The matter is one for Cairns HENSIVE INSURANCE POLICIES.-Mr. Melloy, Harbour Board and I suggest the Honour­ pursuant to notice, asked The Treasurer,- able Member pursue his enquiry with the Board. For the Honourable Member's ( 1) Is he aware that some Insurance information, the quantum of hides exported companies require car owners under the through the port of Cairns was 334 tons 13 age of twenty-five years to pay as much as cwt. in 1962-1963 and 373 tons 9 cwt. in the first £7 5 of damage cost? 1963-1964. I understand these were treated (2) Is there any restriction as to the hides. I also understand that Queerah Meat­ amount that Insurance companies can works desired to export hides through the demand as first payment? Port of Cairns and sought a site for treat­ ment in the harbour area adjacent to the shipping basin. Because of the noxious Answer:- nature of the work and its effect on the (1 and 2) "Because of the bad claims Port and the City generally, the Board experience in the under 25 age group, the refused the application. I am assured that Insurance Commissioner last year raised if the meatworks establishes its proposed no objection to the imposition of a special treatment works in an area suitable for a £25 excess in this age group without noxious industry and introduces treated premium adjustment. This excess can be hides into the Port area, the trade will be increased in one of two ways:-(1) A welcomed by the Harbour Board." motorist in the age group may choose to accept a further loading in the ordinary course of effecting a policy so that he may UsE OF RAILWAY BUILDINGS, MILLAA gain the benefit of a lower premium rate. MILLAA BRANCH LINE.-Mr. R. Jones, pur­ Thus, if he accepted a £50 loading, the suant to notice, asked The Minister for total loading would become £75, the first Transport,- £50 of which would be of his own choos­ ing; and (2) There are some insurers who In view of Departmental accommoda­ require a person in this age group who has tion lying vacant following the closure and taken out his first driver's license to take a progressive removal of the Millaa Millaa policy with a total loading of £75. This branch line railway- policy is issued at a reduced premium rate. The oractice is not common to all insurers. ( 1) Have the buildings been disposed I have no doubt that a youthful driver with of? If so, what were the individual prices a good record would have little trouble in received by the Railway Department? obtaining a cover with a much lower excess (2) If not, what are the present rentals than £75. I might add that I have not been being received and what is the purpose in altogether happy with the manner in which allowing buildings and housing to be left the standard £25 excess has been applied in lying idle to deteriorate, where no railway all cases in this age group. Not every exists to transport them for re-erection on incident in which the vehicle of a youthful driver is involved is caused through the new locations? negligence of that driver. For all the diffi­ culty of establishing negligence in every Answers:- case, I cannot accept the application of a ( 1) "The following buildings, trucking £25 excess to such extreme cases as where yards and locomotive water tanks have the damaged vehicle is lawfully parked at been sold for removal at the prices the time of impact. There are a number of shown:- instances of varying merit which similarly offend my concept of fairness. I have asked Item Location Price the Insurance Commissioner to convey £ certain of my views in this behalf to the Trolley Shed Yungaburra 10 underwriters and I am awaiting further Station Building Yungabun·a 200 Goods Shed Peeramon 8 advice." Shelter Shed Peeramon 3 Shelter Shed Kureen .. 3 Goods Shed Malanda .. 50 Trolley Shed Malanda .. 3 SHIPMENT OF HIDES FROM CAIRNS.­ Station Building Jaggan 30 Mr. R. Jones, pursuant to notice, asked The Waiting Shed Tarzali .. 5 Station Building .. MillaaMillaa 200 Treasurer,- Rail Motor Shed .. Millaa Millaa 35 Goods Shed .. MillaaMillaa 125 ( 1) Is he aware that approximately Trucking Yards .. Yungaburra 250 60,000 hides per annum are diverted a Tarzali 25 l~~~~~fi;.:ar;ate~ Ta~k Yungaburra 150 distance of 245 miles by road from Queerah Locomotive Water Tank Malanda .. 125 Meatworks, Cairns, for shipment from the Locomotive Water Tank MillaaMillaa 100 port of Townsville? Questions [25 AUGUST] Questions 127

Ten buildings and two trucking yards Answers:­ remain to be disposed of as unsatisfactory (1) "No." offers or no tenders were received in response to public tenders invited through (2) "I am not aware of any such the Press. provision."

Item Location REGULATIONS AND ORDERS IN COUNCIL IssUED DURING PARLIAMENTARY RECESS.-Mr. Shelter Shed Chumbrumba Bromley, pursuant to notice, asked The Shelter Shed .. Weerimba Station Building .. Malanda Premier,- Roadside Shed Malanda Inspector's Hut Malanda How many (a) Regulations and (b) Station Building Minbun Orders in Council have been approved by Trolley Shed Minbun Station Building . . Moregatta Cabinet during the recess of Parliament Engine Shed . . . . MillaaMillaa from December, 1964, to the March session Lamp Room and Lavatory Millaa Millaa Trucking Yards .. MillaaMillaa 1965 and how many have been approved Trucking Yards Peeramon '' in the recent recess?

Answer:- (2) "One cottage at Millaa Millaa is "May I inform the Honourable Member rented at £2 per week plus rates and taxes that Cabinet does not 'approve' of Regula­ leviable. Public tenders were invited for tions and Orders in Council. This preroga­ the purchase in situ of the Station Master's tive is vested entirely in the Governor in house at Yungaburra but no tenders were Council. All Regulations and Orders in received. An offer was subsequently Council tabled in the House are recorded received to purchase the Station Master's in the Votes and Proceedings. I would house at Yungaburra and this offer is at suggest that the Honourable Member could present under consideration. A Government obtain the information asked for by perus­ Department is interested in acquiring one ing these papers." of the cottages at Malanda and a second cottage at the same place will be offered for sale in the near future when the Com­ TEACHERS WITH UNIVERSITY DEGREES.­ missioner will have conveyable title. Two Mr. Bromley, pursuant to notice, asked The of the buildings have no road access and Minister for Education,- these will be offered for sale for removal ( 1) What is the present number of with those listed in (1). The remainder of teachers employed in high schools, apart the houses totalling five are located on from those involved in teaching home former Crown land and could only be disposed of in situ either by carrying out science, commercial, industrial, music and survey of the five allotments and obtaining art subjects, and how many are engaged title deed therefor or by the obtaining of a in the latter-mentioned pursuits? special lease of each allotment through the (2) What percentages of these numbers Lands Department. As the latter method have acquired a University degree? would facilitate disposal this is being followed. It is not the intention of the (3) How many University graduate Department to remove any of these build­ teachers have entered the employment of ings for re-erection at other places." the Department of Education since January 1, 1965, until the present date and how many graduate teachers have resigned USE OF LOCAL AUTHORITY FUNDS FOR from the teaching service in the same PoLITICAL PuRPOSEs.-Mr. Aikens, pursuant period? to notice, asked The Minister for Local Government,- Answers:- (!) "(a) Teachers taking Academic Sub­ ( 1) Has his attention been drawn to jects, 1968; (b) Home Science Teachers, several press articles and statements 352; (c) Commercial Teachers, 248; (d) reporting that the People the North Manual Training Teachers, 348; (e) Committee will actively support the left­ Music Teachers, 16; (f) Art Teachers, wing Australian Labor Party candidate for 68." Dawson, Dr. Patterson, in the next Federal (2) "Percentage of academic teachers election? with University degrees, 35 ·1. Teachers (2) Under what provision of the Local in (b) to (f) above do not work Government Act or any other Act is a normally towards University degrees." Local Authority authorized or empowered (3) "(a) Graduates entered Department to use ratepayers' money for party political since 1-1-1965, 66; (b) Graduates resigned propaganda purposes? since 1-1-1965, 51." 128 Questions [ASSEMBLY] Questions

SUPERVISION OF PRISONERS AT WACOL AND of custody. It should be understood that BRISBANE PrusoNs.-Mr. Bromley, pursuant Wacol is a half-way house between the to notice, asked The Minister for Health,- maximum security Brisbane Prison and the ( 1) Has his attention been drawn to Prison Farms at Palen Creek and the article in The Sunday Mail of August Numinbah where the open honour system 22, headed, "Anyone can leave Wacol­ operates. The prisoners at Wacol include Jail Warder"? all gradations from near top security to those who are qualifying for the open (2) (a) Are groups of prisoners still honour system." working outside the jail compound fence (3) "I am assured by the Comptroller­ escorted only by a lone inexperienced pro­ General of Prisons that there is no more bationary officer; (b) do prison officers real danger of prisoners in Brisbane Prison have to keep a check on up to twenty-five taking over or staging a mass escape than prisoners coming and going, heading down in any other maximum security prison. paddocks to get cows, with not a fence No. 2 Division referred to is not under­ between them and the outside; and (c) did manned or isolated and senior prison the ex-probationary prison officer claim he officers are always on rounds. The knew of several sex-offenders who were Comptroller-General points out that the allowed to move unescorted outside the officer-strength at Brisbane Prison has jail? been increased from 75 in 1957-1958 to 133 in 1964-1965. In 1957-1958 the ratio (3) Is there a real danger that prisoners was one officer to 6 · 8 prisoners, and at in Boggo Road could take over or stage present the ratio is one officer to 3 · 4 a mass escape, particularly from No. 2 prisoners. This indicates that the prison Division, which is undermanned and officer strength in relation to prisoners isolated from where senior officers were on has been doubled over the last eight years. duty? This ratio is higher than the major prisons at least in the eastern States of Australia, ( 4) Is Boggo Road "rotten with homo­ and believed to be higher than any other sexuality" and the lives of staff in danger major prison in Australia." because of shortage of staff and lack of ( 4) "On the subject of homosexuality supervision? in the Brisbane Prison, I am assured by the Prison authorities that all possible pre­ (5) What action is intended to remedy cautions are taken to prevent it. Whenever the situation which obviously exists so that large groups of men are closely confined, the public and the staff of the prison ser­ be it in prison or anywhere else, it may vices will be protected from any major occur, and there is an obligation on all in outbreak or possible repetition of recent charge to be vigilant. Isolated incidents incidents? undoubtedly take place, and when detected are treated in accordance with the provisions of the law." Answers:- (5) "See answer to (3) ." ( 1 and 2) "I have read the statement made to the Sunday Mail by Mr. V. Love, former Prison Officer at the Wacol Prison. HOUSING COMMISSION HOUSES, MT. JSA.­ Only prisoners who are considered satis­ Mr. Inch, pursuant to notice, asked The factory risks are permitted to work out­ Minister for Works,- side the enclosed compound area. All ( 1) To whom will the hundred Housing reasonable precautions are taken and strict Commission homes now under construction instructions have been issued that no at Mt. Isa be allocated and in what prisoner is to be allowed out of sight of the officer in whose charge he is. There numbers? are about 200 prisoners in the Wacol (2) What is the number of applicants Prison, and attempts to escape are rela­ who await the allocation of this type of tively rare. This being so, the claim by accommodation at Mt. Isa? Mr. Love that 'anyone can leave Wacol' would indicate a most remarkable measure Answers:- of success for our policy of rehabilitation ( 1) "Mt. Is a Mines 50 houses; Mt. Isa and social redemption. Though a gratify­ Shire Council 6 houses; Thiess Bros. 6 ing measure of success has been achieved, houses; the balance will be available for it is not nearly so great as Mr. Love's purchase and if not sold will be rented." story would suggest. The statement that 'anyone can leave Wacol' is just not true. (2) "Ninety-seven purchase enquiries and It is necessary to keep more than half the 41 rental applications are on hand. Now prisoners in fairly high custodial security that Mt. Isa has returned to more normal inside the Prison, whilst the remainder conditions a check is being made to ascer­ who are permitted to work outside do so tain whether these persons have remained under surveillance and in varying degrees in Mt. Isa and still desire accommodation." Questions [25 AUGUST] Questions 129

RESERVE FOR ABORIGINES AT DAJARRA. relation to Queensland or any other State -Mr. Inch, pursuant to notice, asked The come within the constitutional responsi­ Minister for Education,- bility of the Commonwealth Government." ( 1) What action has the Department of Native Affairs taken to have land set aside SEX PERVERSION AT BRISBANE PRISON.­ for aboriginal reserve purposes at Dajarra? Mr. Bennett, pursuant to notice, asked The (2) What type of accommodation does Minister for Health,- the Department contemplate providing for ( 1) Has his attention been drawn to aborigines on this reserve? the claim made in Sunday Truth of August 22, 1965, to the effect that perversion is Answers:- rife at the Boggo Road Prison? ( 1) "As the Honourable Member will (2) Has he any statistical details to appreciate, an assured supply of water, deal with this claim? which was until recently not available at Dajarra, is a pre-requisite to the selection ( 3 ) If there is some evidence that the of any suitable residential area. I have allegation is only partly correct, will he now been successful in securing for the give urgent and immediate attention to Department of Native Affairs, the Railway adopting measures to prevent these nefari­ Department water facility which ensures ous practices? adequate and permanent water, and the ( 4) In any case, will he consider the Land Administration Commission has segregation of prisoners according to age approved that, conditional upon survey, an groups and type of offences? area of five (5) acres adjacent to and south of the Railway as selected by the Answer:- Department, be recommended for ( 1 to 4) "I have read the statement Executive approval. Action is in hand for made to the Sunday Mail by a former the Surveyor-General to undertake the prison officer that homosexuality was pre­ necessary survey." valent at the Brisbane Prison. I am (2) "The Department, after consulta­ assured by the Prison Authorities that all tion with the Protector and a visit to the possible precautions are taken to prevent Centre by a Departmental Officer, is plan­ it. Known cases are rare and, where ning for the erection of seven (7) homes evidence is available, offenders are always which will comprise six (6) three­ prosecuted publicly, through the Courts. bedroomed homes, and one pensioner's There is one case now before the Court. cottage with complete septic installations. The previous last known offence was Necessary specifications are being prepared before 1957. There are always rumours by the Works Department to enable tenders of perversion where groups of men are to be called. The Honourable Member is segregated and confined. The closest assured that the type of homes erected scrutiny is exercised to prevent this type will be to the same high standard of those of conduct. Segregation of prisoners in which the Government has already con­ age groups can only be practised to a structed in many other centres throughout very limited extent due to accommodation Queensland." problems. The Prisons Department is continuing a programme for more accom­ QUEENSLAND TRADE BALANCE.-Mr. modation and consequently more Bennett, pursuant to notice, asked The segregation." Premier,- ( 1) Has his attention been drawn to the POLICE SENIORITY LIST.-Mr. Bennett, statement in the latest bulletin from the pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for Bureau of Census and Statistics setting out Education,- that the external trade of Queensland Is he aware that the latest seniority list during the quarter ended December 31, published for the Police Force pursuant to 1964, showed an excess of imports over the Police Acts and Rules, was gazetted as exports of £8 · 2 million compared with an far back as March 7, 1964, and relates to excess of exports of £11 · 9 million for the the seniority position as at January 31, corresponding quarter of 1963? 1964? If so, will he give serious con­ sideration to the bringing of this list up (2) If so, will he indicate the reason for to date so as to avoid confusion in Courts this substantial drift in the export market, and elsewhere? which upsets our trade balance at a time when i( is claimed to be unusual for Answer:- imports to exceed exports in the December "No. A seniority list for Police Force quarter of any year? personnel was published in the Police Answers:- Gazette of March 20, 1965, and shows seniority as at January 31, 1965. It is (1) "Yes." usual for the Police seniority list to be (2) "I feel that the Honourable Member published at the beginning of each year should need no reminder on my part that and this annual publication meets policy matters appertaining to trade in practical requirements." 5 130 Order &c. during Question Time [ASSEMBLYj Death of Hon. P. J. R. Hilton

HOLIDAYS FOR TEACHERS.-Mr. Houston, PAPERS pursuant to notice, asked The Minister for The following papers were laid on the Education,- table:- ( 1) What holidays are granted annually to teaching staff in-(a) State primary Orders in Council under The Southern Electric Authority of Queensland Acts, schools, (b) State secondary schools, (c) 1952 to 1964. State technical colleges on (i) trade (ii) technician and (iii) technology subjects and (d) the University? DEATH OF HON. P. J. R. HILTON (2) If there be any difference, will he MOTION OF CONDOLENCE explain why? Hon. G. F. R. NICKLIN (Landsborough­ Answers:- Premier) (12.5 p.m.), by leave, without (1) "(a) State primary schools are on notice: I move- vacation over a total period of nine weeks "1. That this House desires to place on per year. (b) For State primary schools record its appreciation of the services west of the 150th meridian and for all rendered to this State by the late Honour­ State secondary schools the total is ten able Paul Jerome Remigius Hilton, a weeks. (c) (i) and (ii) Technical former member of the Parliament of colleges observe the same vacation periods Queensland and Minister of the Crown. as State secondary schools; (iii) The staff "2. That Mr. Speaker be requested to of the Queensland Institute of Technology convey to the widow and family of the is employed on the normal Public Service deceased gentleman the above resolution, basis of three weeks' annual recreation together with an expression of the leave. (d) The teaching staff at the sympathy and sorrow of the members of University is granted four weeks per year the Parliament of Queensland in the loss during the long vacation period." they have sustained." (2) "By long established custom and The late honourable gentleman was well practice teachers employed in primary and known to the majority of us who now sit secondary schools and technical colleges in this Chamber. He served with us for a are not required to report for duty during number of years, and I think I can say vacation periods. In the case of higher truthfully that during the period he was institutions of learning such as the here he earned the admiration of us all for University and the Institute of Technology, his many good qualities and the sincerity of the teaching staff is expected to devote that purpose with which he carried out his duties part of the vacation outside the stipulated as a member of this Assembly. period of annual recreation leave to The late Mr. Hilton gave long and valued research, reading, preparation of courses service to Queensland as a member of and such other duties as are determined Parliament and a Minister of the Crown. by the employing authorities." He entered the Parliament as member for the Carnarvon electorate at the general NEW STATE HIGH SCHOOL, NASHVILLE.­ election of 11 May, 1935, and held the seat Mr. Dean, pursuant to notice, asked The continuously for 28 years-a magnificent Minister for Education,- record that testified to the· esteem in which Has any date been set down for the he was held by the electors. commencement of the construction of a Before his election to Parliament he was new State high school at Nashville in the actively associated with many public bodies Sandgate Electorate? If not, when will in Stanthorpe, his home town. His record the construction of a high school in this of seTvice in the public life of the State was area commence? outstanding, and Queensland can ill spare men of his calibre. He was a loyal Answer:- supporter of many local activities in the "No. An examination of the anticipated district in which he lived, and he was keenly enrolment at Sandgate High School indi­ interested in the progress of show societies, cates that there will be no significant not only in Stanthorpe but elsewhere in the Carnarvon electorate, and delighted in their increase there during the next three years. expansion. In fact, it could be said that he Rather does it show an anticipated falling took an active part in every worth-while off in enrolment after 1966. Accordingly activity that he believed to be for the good I am unable to indicate when a new State of his people or the good of the district. high school will be built at Nashville." He was a quiet, unassuming man of high principles and integrity, and during his long ORDER IN CHAMBER DURING political career he won the respect and QUESTION TIME esteem of the members of all parties in Mr. SPEAKER: Order! I have warned Parliament. hon. members repeatedly that they must not For seven years the late Mr. Hilton was a interject during question time. I will deal Minister of the Crown, holding successively with the next member who transgresses. the portfolios of Public Works, Housing and Death of Hon. P. J. R. Hilton [25 AUGUST] Death of Hon. P. J. R. Hi/ton 131

Local Government (from 10 May, 1950, to Government, have been voiced by the Premier 1 May, 1952), Public Works and Housing in regard to the untimely death of the late (from 1 May, 1952, to 28 May, 1956), and Mr. Hilton. He came into this Parliament a Lands and Irrigation (from 28 May, 1956, to few months before I did. In those days 12 August, 1957). the transport facilities and the use of a From 1947 to 1950 Mr. Hilton was Deputy motor-car were not as extensive as they are Chairman of Committees. today and he was obliged to come to Brisbane each Monday by the interstate mail During his administration of the Housing train. He and the then hon. member for portfolio, Mr. Hilton imparted considerable Warwick, Mr. Healy, and I were travelling vigour and drive to the attempt to overcome companions for a number of years, and as Queensland's housing shortage. In 1951, we were members of the same party and with this object in view, he made a six were thrown together so closely in getting weeks' tour of England, France, Italy, to and from our electorates, it was natural Holland, and Germany, covering in all 34,000 that we became fairly close friends. It was miles, and he placed several contracts for a matter of very great personal regret to prefabricated houses, in accordance with the me that, because of the involvement in party­ terms of a request by the Commonwealth political disputation and the resultant political Government. These houses were of material explosion, there was a -severance of that tie assistance in reducing the serious housing of close association and friendship which shortage at that time. He was responsible, had characterised our dealings for a number also, for negotiating a contract in England of years. for prefabricated classrooms, and these It is a matter of history, of course, that buildings were of great value in overcoming there were differences of opinion regarding the war-time lag in school construction. the exercise of judgment on the causes that Mr. Hilton, who was a very capable and led to that particular severance of association, hard working administrator, served in the but I want to say that whilst the late Mr. Housing portfolio for six years. Thereafter Hilton perhap-s questioned my judgment and he held the portfolio of Lands and Irriga­ I questioned his, at no time did I question tion, and he was well versed in these aspects his integrity or his sincerity of purpose. of State development and took a very keen He was, as the Premier pointed out, a man interest in them. with a very deep and intense conviction. During the Second World War, the late He was extremely religious. He was a very Mr. Hilton, who had been an N .C.O. in the keen reader and his range of subjects was Militia for some time, volunteered for over­ most extensive. He concentrated on philo­ seas service but was re-jected on physical sophical and theological questions and grounds. He was, however, successful in enjoyed very greatly the opportunity of enlisting in the R.A.A.F. in 1942, and he engaging in personal debate or discussion on served until 1943, when he was discharged many problems of a rather heavier character with the rank of Flying Officer, Adminis­ than is usually discussed in normal con­ trative and Special Duty Branch. versation. He applied himself with great industry and ultimately his worth was recog­ During the time he was in Parliament nised by his colleagues. In due course Mr. Hilton was a very keen bowler. There he wa-s elected to the Cabinet, where he was nothing he liked better and he played displayed unbounded energy in his desire the game at every opportunity that came his to familiarise himself with the responsibilities way. He was, indeed, as I said previously, of the various departments under his control. a gentleman who earned the admiration of He made himself readily accessible to people all who knew him. Queensland will be and was anxious always to come to a correct forever indebted to him for his outstanding decision. efforts for the welfare of its people, but those who sat with him on both sides of this He had the misfortune to experience a House will remember him as a man whose serious illness in his early life. At that quiet, unassuming manner masked an endear­ time, because he was not particularly affluent, ing personality of high principles and the residents of the area subscribed to fly impartiality. him to Brisbane for specialist treatment for a heart condition, which at that time was I think an example of the high regard feared might bring about his early demise. in which he was held by all sections of the Fortunately, the attention he received and community was the large and representative his obedience to his doctor's advice enabled gathering that assembled at St. Stephen's him to overcome that disability. His untimely Cathedral last week on the occasion of his death was not caused by that condition but funeral service. It was a great tribute to a by another complaint which i·s very dis­ worthy son of Queensland. tressing and painful, and invariably-almost I feel that all hon. members will join with inevitably-leads to death. me in extending to his sorrowing wife and Mr. Hilton accepted the prospect of death family and his relatives the sentiments with great resignation. I have seen many expres·sed in the motion. people who felt that their days were per­ Mr. DUGGAN (Toowoomba West­ haps numbered, but of all those with whom Leader of the Opposition) (12.11 p.m.): The I have discussed the question of imminent A.L.P. wishes to link itself with the expres­ death none displayed such a readiness to sions of sympathy that, on behalf of the go to his l'v1aker as did the late Paul Hilton. 132 Death of Hon. P. J. R. Hilton [ASSEMBLY] Death of Hon. P. J. R. Hi/ton

For old times sake I was pleased I had an in conflict with what he regarded as high opportunity of calling to see him at his principles. He resolved this conflict as he home before his death. When one has asso­ resolved all other conflicts-in complete and ciated with a person for so long, a person total accord with the dictates of his own whose principles you have admired and with conscience. None who differed from him, whom you have had similar social and no matter how intensely, ever had occasion cultural interests, naturally it is a blow when to believe otherwise, for that was the way the relationship is severed because of poli­ Paul Hilton lived his life. tical disputation. Under these circumstances perhaps many things are said which, in the I feel a sense of profound grief because light of calmer reflection might not have during the past three years we became been said, and consequently it is not quite closely associated. He stayed at my home so easy to re-establish the association that regularly every month and we looked for­ existed previously when these factors were ward to his coming just as much as I know he absent. But I was very pleased that I did did. It was during this period that I came to see Mr. Hilton prior to his death. I had appreciate the real Paul, to understand his quite an interesting conversation with him sterling qualities, and to value his sincere on that occasion. The main impression I friendship. By nature a gentle and warmly took away from that conversation was his charitable man, nonetheless, in the political resignation. He had been able to make sense, or in the parliamentary sense, he was reasonable provision for his family. His a stout and determined fighter. He expressed daughter, a trained sister, had contemplated his ideas with force and courage, but equally leaving home for duty in the north of accepted opposition to his ideas in the same Australia but she remained to nurse him in spirit. I think all will agree that at all times a very devoted way during the closing stages he was an honourable opponent. He has of his illness. gone, but his memory will survive, and the great and good influence he exercised in I think it can be said of Paul Hilton that this House will persist for its welfare, for whilst we on this side of the House disagreed the welfare of its deliberations and of its with some of his political judgments we are members. unanimous that he was a man of very great personal integrity, a wonderful family man, Because I mourn his loss deeply as a a very devoted churchman, and one who, in mate, I appreciate to the full the even more his personal life and conduct, set an example profound grief of those who mourn his loss which others could well emulate. If one can as a husband, as a father, and as a relative. pay a person a tribute of that kind I think To them I express my own personal one has paid to the memory of Paul Hilton sympathy, and the sympathy of all those a tribute that was deserved, an honoured connected with the organisation to which he tribute which he justly earned in his life­ and I belonged. time. Because of his sincerity in his public life, his private life and his family life, and Mr. McKECHNIE (Carnarvon) (12.25 his disposition to do what he thought was p.m.): I e·xpress sincere sympathy with the best in the circumstances, the Opposition Hilton family in the bereavement they have through me seek to join with the Premier in suffered. In supporting this motion of this motion. We do so with a proper appre­ condolence I am in a rather unique position. ciation of its significance. We join with the Paul Hilton and I became firm friends eariy Premier in expressing our deepest sense of in his political career, and we remained so sadness at the great loss that has occurred at all times-completely so--even during to Mrs. Hilton because of the deep family the last election campaign which, as all attachment which was characteristic of the hon. members know, was fought between us. union between this couple. For some time Paul Hilton knew the end was near, and with great dignity and religious Mr. DIPLOCK (Aubigny) (12.19 p.m.): I faith he approached the future confident associate myself with and support this motion that he knew where he was going. Such a of condolence to Mrs. Hilton and members faith has sustained him all his life. In of the Hilton family with a sense of humility, the political crisis of 1957 he remained pride, and profound grief. I feel very confident that he was following a correct humble, because as a close friend of Paul course, and despite the consequences that Hilton I had ample opportunity of knowing he knew could follow he did what he believed what a truly Christian life he led. Few of to be right. us live up to the standard he set and main­ tained. I am very proud that I was privi­ Last Friday, in St. Stephen's Cathedral in leged to be a friend of his and to have his Brisbane, the people of Queensland paid their complete confidence. The rigid moral discip­ tribute to him to that cathedral's capacity, lines of his own personal life were carried, and the Rt. Rev. Monsignor Cleary preached in full measure, into his life as a public man. a panegyric that was really worthy of Paul This accounted for his impeccable integrity, Hilton. to which there is universal witness. For 28 years Mr. Hilton served Queensland As a member of this Parliament he had faithfully and well, and having lived in his to face many crises, the most important of electorate most of my life I know the service which found his adherence to old loyalties and fairness he rendered and displayed to Petroleum Products Subsidy Bill [25 AuGusT] Petroleum Products Subsidy Bill 133

his constituents, and the deep love and benefit of the subsidy. In other words, they respect in which he was held by people of cannot get it and keep it for themselves. all political opinions. In fact, many Country There is no automatic correction for the Party members freely admitted that they effect of escalating freight costs upon voted for Paul Hilton both when he was a differentials in wholesale prices. Until a member of the A.L.P. and of the Q.L.P. general review of the scheme is made, these They paid him that honour because they have been frozen at the rates applying at felt that in him they had a man who was 31 December, 1964, except that the Federal beyond party politics. Minister may make amendments to the After the last election he was big enough schedule of recognised distribution points or, to assist and advise his successor, and in if he is satisfied that changed circumstances all humility I do not think I could pay him warrant it, he may alter a rate of subsidy at a greater tribute than trust that help will a place in the schedule. The Commonwealth be given me to serve the electorate as he Government has agreed to make a general did. review of the scheme at intervals of three years and to introduce any necessary amend­ Motion (Mr. Nicklin) agreed to, hon. ments in the light of the facts at the time. members standing in silence. The proposal is for receipts of claims, and their investigation and certification, to be PETROLEUM PRODUCTS SUBSIDY BILL performed by authorised officers who will in fact be officers of the Commonwealth INITIATION IN COMMITTEE Customs and Excise Department. They will do the work for us, although they will not (The Chairman of Committees, Mr. Hooper, be our officers. The Commonwealth will Greenslopes, in the chair) make non-repayable grants to the States for Hon. T. A. HILEY (Chatsworth­ the purpose of making payments under the Treasurer) (12.30 p.m.): I move- scheme, as provided by the Commonwealth Act. "That a Bill be introduced to subsidise the distribution of certain petroleum Mr. Duggan: Will there be no State products in certain country areas." officers used at all? The Commonwealth Government has decided Mr. HILEY: Only in minor matters of as a matter of policy that prices of petroleum administration. All the policing and adminis­ products in country centres should be tration of claims will be carried out by subsidised so that they will nowhere exceed officers of the Commonwealth Customs and the capital city price by more than 4d. a Excise Department. The role of the State gallon. As the Commonwealth Constitution will be purely to pay to claimants the gives no power to the Commonwealth amounts certified by the authorised officers, Governme·nt to pay subsidies of this nature, and to account for sums received and paid. the assistance of the States was sought and State legislation is needed to authorise obtained. The Commonwealth Government these payments to registere·d distributors. As has passed the necessary legislation to pay the power to make the subsidy payments to the States, by way of grants, sums equal rests with the State, the penalties for fraud to the amounts expended by the States in and other breaches must also be provided paying subsidies in accordance with the by the State Act. The State will bear its Commonwealth scheme. The purpose of the costs of local administration-the accounting Bill is to establish machinery for carrying and payment for services-but these should out the State's part of the scheme. In it;; be comparatively minor. basic provisions the legislation in each State will be uniform. The Commonwealth is empowered to advance the funds to enable us to meet claims Hon. members may well ask why the Bill without using our own precious funds. is presented late in 1965 to fulfil a promise There could be political problems if rises made by the Commonwealth Government in freight make it impossible to ke-ep the in December 1963. The position was not margin down to 4d. over the capital city simple. The clear line of wholesale and price, but the provision for review after three retail demarcation, fairly precise in towns and years fairly meets the worst of the hazard. cities, was truly blurred where the back­ Before the differential can move too far blocks mailman made bulk drum deliveries from 4d., the period of three years will have to station properties, some of which acted expired and there will be a review and a in turn as local resellers. There was, too, fresh target set. the border problem where, say, a Queensland wholesaler supplies New South Wales Because of the great distances in Queens­ customers. Always present was the need to land, the benefit of this measure is relatively protect the Commonwealth from rapacious greater than it is in the rest of Australia. increases in the level of freight charges. The Government regards it as a practical contribution to the man who lives some We belie·ve that all these problems have distance from the main ports of entry. For been reasonably met in the Commonwealth example, the price of standard grade petrol law. Subsidies will be paid at the wholesale in Burketown, is 6s. H-d. which is 2s. 6td. level, but all registered distributors must above the price in Brisbane. In varying undertake to pass on to purchase·rs the degrees this is the ~tory in other remote 134 Petroleum Products Subsidy Bill [ASSEMBLY] Petroleum Products Subsidy Bill areas of Queensland. The reduction to distribution does the Government recognise 4d. margin will be a practical aid to people the freight 'differential at the point at which who live and conduct their work in far­ the wholesaler makes his sale to the retailer? removed places. That is the position. Indeed, pondering I have not attempted to illustrate, other over the matter, it seemed to me that if the than by giving the one example of Burke­ Federal Government had attempted in its town, the great number of rulings that have measure to provide that the subsidy should had to be given. It is sufficient to say be carried through right to the final point that a publication has been brought out of usage, it would have . had an almost headed "Petroleum Products-Schedule of impossible task administratively. On some Subsidies" in which is listed every known of the big cattle runs, it is one thing to get distribution point in respect of every grade the product to the homestead; but it is ever handled. another thing to get it to the point of use, miles away from the homestead. The If hon. members go through the schedule administrators have taken the view that the they will discover that there are som~ gaps freight differential is calculated at the point in it, and I think I should explam the at which you go to buy it, whether you reason for these. Take Alexandra Headlands buy it in bulk in drums or at the bowser, as an example. The subsidy on motor and that is the standard basis for the point spirit is td.; then there is a gap against of distribution. power kerosene and another gap against We have not attempted to strike a motor distillate. The reason for the gaps separate rate for every individual consumer is one of two things: either that no dis­ and to vary it in terms as might be argued tributor at Alexandra Headlands has ever for variant rates according to the actual sold or handled power kerosene or motor point the individual consumer chooses to distillate, or that, in respect of those two use as the wholesale point of delivery. It items, the gap is 4d. or less and no subsidy is the point at which the property passes is needed. from the wholesaler to the person who Indeed, as I went through the schedule retails it. it struck me as being quite remarkable­ Finally, it is hoped to have the scheme ! have not attempted to illustrate this-how operative at an early date. No date has in an area it might cost 2td. a gallon more been specified but I think the Common­ to get distillate to one centre than it does wealth have given a public clue because to get motor spirit to that centre, yet at they have provided funds in the recent Budget another centre in the same area the differ­ to allow the scheme to operate from ential is reversed and one can buy distillate 1 October. It cannot operate until every 2{-d. a gallon cheaper than motor spirit. State in Australia has passed enabling legis­ Heaven only knows the full story of the lation. That is one reason why my Govern­ freight charges and practices that led to ment was keen that this should be the first this conflicting pattern of freight differentials. of the legislative measures attended to this Let me say, however, that I understand session. We think it is good for Queensland there has been the closest possible co­ and, on the whole, it will be of greater operation between officers of the Department benefit to the residents of Queensland than of Customs and Excise and the Commis­ to the average resident in Australia. We are sioner of Prices and his officers in Queens­ land who have been dealing with these anxious to have this Bill passed so that we matters. Queensland was rather fortunate can say to the Commonwealth, "VIe are ready for it. The scheme cannot come into in having a substantial body of records avail­ operation too soon to please us." able. Some of the other States had no similar means of checking, and the task, Mr. DUGGAN (Toowoomba West-Leader therefore, was more difficult and to some of the Opposition) (12.41 p.m.): This is one extent delayed. of the few Bills that come before the I want to make it clear that the Bill makes Committee on which there is unanimity of provision for the Federal Minister to make opinion in the desirability of giving effect intermediate changes in the schedule. If to its provisions, because people in many a demand for a product occurs in a district parts of the State will receive considerable for which the schedule simply shows a gap, financial benefit from its application. it seems to me that the proper course will This legislation has its origin in the be for the oil company concerned to make Commonwealth sphere and is an example, ~:m application to the Federal Minister and say, a major scale, of an attempt by the authont~es "There is a gap in the schedule because to equalise prices throughout Austra!Ja. we have never sold distillate in such-and­ There has long been advocacy on the part such a place. There is a demand there, of people living in the remote parts o~ !he and we now want to sell it there. Will you Commonwealth that the cost of !Jvmg please fix a differential for the area?" The in those areas should be reduced, that there application will then be considered by the should be a declaration of a greater range Federal department in the light of the of common goods and services in most parts information available to it. of the State, and that the cost should be The second point that has been raised borne by people living in the more concen­ with me is this: if a man lives 100 miles trated areas of population. Superficially from the railhead or the nearest point of this has some merit, but there is a limit to Petroleum Products Subsidy Bill [25 AUGUST] Petroleum Products Subsidy Bill 135

which people living in the more populous in the remote parts of the State. treating parts of the Commonwealth should have to them virtually as wholesalers. That would pay for this policy of permitting people in obviate this trouble, but to do that apparently remote parts to get things on the same basis they would have to set up some sort of as those in the cities. administrative machinery that they feel is Apart from considerations of climate and rather too costly. other difficulties that confront people living As the Treasurer pointed out, this measure in the remote parts of the State, if this will give quite a considerable benefit in principle were applied universally there known towns. He mentioned Burketown. would have to be a levelling-up in some I have taken three or four towns at random other directions. For instance, a person to show the effect of the proposal. In living in a remote part of the State-he Aramac, on the new declared price of might be a book-keeper on a station-is not super-grade petrol, taking the additional 3d. involved in any transport costs in travelling a gallon into account, there is a differential to and from work each day. If a person of 1s. 5d., which will be reduced to 1s. 1d. elects to build a house in one of these areas, At Birdsville the 2s. 11 d. differential will admittedly he has to pay a tremendously be reduced to 2s. 7d. In Hughenden, where greater sum for the timber used in the there is a 9~d. differential, the people will construction of the home, but he pays very have a net benefit of 5~d. At Iron Range, little for his land compared with one living where my records show that super-grade in a more centrally situated and more petrol is 6s. 11d. a gallon-the highest of populous part of the State. He may get the areas shown-there will be a differential meat much cheaper-and other commodi­ of 3s. Hd. and a net benefit of 2s. 9~d. ties-so it would need a very complex Even in my own city of Toowoomba there examination of costs throughout Australia. is a differential of 5~d. a gallon at the present time. The residents of the fairly In regard to some major commodities an large city of Toowoomba will benefit to the attempt is being made, which is reflected in extent of 1~d. a gallon. It means that if a this measure. It had its origin, I think, in person in that area uses 160 gallons a year a proposal by the Leader of the Federal he will save about £1. The reasons for A.L.P. in his policy speech in 1963 when he some of these differentials are hard to said that, if returned to power, the A.L.P. would introduce legislation to provide for a understand. I find it hard to understand universal petrol price throughout Australia. why, when there is a 5~d. differential between Some days later the Prime Minister, Sir Toowoomba and Brisbane, there should only Robert Menzies, because of the appeal which be ~d. differential between Toowoomba and no doubt that offer had to the people of Wallangarra which is more than twice as Australia, felt obliged to match it in some far from Toowoomba than Toowoomba is way. I do not think it is unfair for me to from Brisbane-even if the petrol comes say in a political sense that I do not think in the other direction, as it probably does. he had any idea of how the scheme would I am not labouring this point because I know operate but he felt that he would have to do from experience the difficulties associated something about it and he plucked out of with getting oil companies to match up to the air this figure of 4d. a gallon. Why 4d. their responsibilities in determining a fair was chosen, I do not know. I suppose he allocation of costs in these areas. felt it was substantial enough to be of some benefit. I do not think he had a clue how The subsidy itself is expected to cost much it would cost. I speak with some £6,000,000 a year-subject to review, as the measure of authority on this matter. Neither Treasurer pointed out. It applies only to he nor those who are closely associated with motor spirits, power kerosene, automotive him had a great deal of knowledge about distillate, aviation kerosene and aviation how it was to be administered. No doubt turbine fuel. the Treasurer can furnish authoritative answers to these statements. However, I It remains to be seen just how far this think he would agree that but for the various benefit of reduction in costs will extend. In the Iron Range area, for example, the officers of State departments who visited benefit will be in the nature of 2s. 9!-d. a Canberra, this scheme would not be gallon. The transport operators in that functioning as efficiently as theoretically it is likely to be when it is implemented some area would be heavy consumers of petrol, as time after 1 October next. I think the State they would be in other places where a high officers generally made the contributions as differential operates. It remains to be seen to how this proposal could be administered. whether these benefits will be passed on to the consumers living on the stations in those There will still be a substantial measure areas, who use a substantial amount of of injustice to those living in the more petrol in their trucks. Instead of being remote parts of the State in the circum­ adversely affected by the recent increase of stances outlined by the Treasurer. I must 3d. a gallon announced in the Budget, as are concede that in the absence of some costly private motorists in most areas, the people administrative process it would be difficult who are operating motor transport in those to deal with this in a completely satis­ areas will get a very great net advantage, factory way unless the oil companies them­ as will the aviation companies who draw selves agreed to deal directly with the people fuel from some of those areas. Because of 136 Petroleum Products Subsidy Bill [ASSEMBLY] Petroleum Products Subsidy Bill the small volume of fuel used in these areas to this method of charging the subsidiaries the savings will not be tremendously great, in this country a price higher than the except in the case of chartered flights. appropriate competitive world price for crude, and that this is responsible for the loss of It is appropriate also to point out that, an amount equal to the cost of a new refinery from what I can ascertain about this matter, over a short period. I am not certain whether the oil companies do not benefit by this it is over three years or five years, but proposal, neither do they lose anything. it is of the order of £20,000,000. It They are in an as-you-were position. Some is said that if the companies in Australia people have advocated that oil companies were charged the price which competitors should be prepared to surrender some of pay, they would pay in increased taxation their profits to make it possible for petrol an additional sum of £20,000,000. However, to be reduced somewhat in price. I note I am not quite clear whether it is every that a financial writer pointed out in a three years or five years that it equals the publication released only a few weeks ago, cost of a refinery. that more losses than profits were made in distributing last year by the 11 major This measure is of benefit, and one would companies. The Amoco Company was men­ be churlish not to acknowledge it. We tioned. It had a net loss of £1,085,000. sometimes think we should thank Mr. Ampol showed a slightly increased profit Menzies or Mr. Calwell, or whoever may, over the previous year. British Petroleum for the time being, be the Premier of the showed an increased profit of about State or the Prime Minister of the Common­ £3,300,000. Caltex showed a net loss of wealth when some benefit is introduced. I £542,000. Esso showed a loss of over suppose, however, that some people, because £1,000,000. The figures for H. C. Sleigh of their skill, are able to re-arrange finance were down slightly on the previous year. in such a way that they can give more Mobil showed a lower profit for the year. benefit than an incompetent administrator. Neptune and Phillips each had a loss. The But in the final analysis it is the people Shell Company showed a rather obscure themselves who have to pay for these position; it showed a loss of £933,000 but, benefits. In this case, the burden will be with the tax provision, there could have borne by the taxpayers of the Common­ been a profit of £3,900,000. It is pretty wealth of Australia, not by Mr. Menzies, difficult to work these matters out. With Mr. Calwell, Mr. Hiley, or myself. It is the exception of Ampol, the wholly appropriate that this should be done, because Australian-owned company, and H. C. action must be taken somewhere along the Sleigh, which is about 75 per cent. line to try to equalise the prices of com­ Australian-owned, all the other companies modities which represent a substantial volume are owned by organisations domiciled of spending by people in isolated areas. overseas. I commenced my remarks by saying that Mr. Aikens: There is no means of knowing it would not be pos·sible to equate the cost whether the Australian figures are correct. of living to everybody wherever domiciled in Australia, but I think it could be made Mr. DUGGAN: I filed some appropriate reasonably attractive for people living in references but unfortuna-tely when I wanted the remote parts if these serious injustices them quickly I could not find them. I had were removed. As modern transport is the the Shell Company's balance sheet, which only method of social intercourse in these was sent to me for the first time. I think areas and the only means of effective trade, it shows Australian assets of £100,000,000, it is obvious that we should do all we can and provisiOn is made for depreciation amounting to about £40,000,000. Australia to see that the burdens imposed on people is not like Indonesia, where they are likely in remote areas are lessened as much as to lose their assets, yet they amortised about possible, and this is the first step in that 40 per cent. of their value. To give some direction. For that reason it should be figures for parent companies, I point out commended. As the Treasurer pointed out, that Standard Oil (New Jersey) made a net at the end of three years the matter will profit of 1,019,469,000 dollars, which is be subject to review, and anomalies might equivalent to £500,000,000. The Socony be ironed out in the intervening period. Mobil Oil Company made a profit of 271.852,000 dollars, and Royal Dutch Shell I am glad that there will not be any made a profit of 601,292,000 dollars, a substantial cost to the State in setting up little less than £300,000,000. The argument the necessary administration. As with so is used that many overseas companies delib­ many of these things, the cost of adminis­ erately charge their Australian subsidiaries tration, even at the Commonwealth level, a higher price for crude, which means that has to come out of the taxpapers' pockets, the net profits of the refining companies in Australia, at the distributing points, are and so we have to find £6,000,000, plus the much less. They pay less tax, and a higher costs of administration. That means it is profit is transferred to the appropriate com­ either costing more than £6,000,000, or if pany in some country where the taxation costs are going to be drawn out of the is lower, and where the double tax provision £6,000,000 allocated for the purpose, that applies. It has been said that the loss the people of this State will be getting less by the Australian-owned companies is due subsidy. Questions [26 AUGUST] Questions 137

I have yet to see the position where the Federal authorities can provide something as economically or as efficiently as the State generally does. It might have been a better arrangement if the Federal authorities had offered the Treasurer a certain sum to pro­ vide this service and he could have arranged efficient administration. There may be technical problems with customs and excise. Experience has shown that the State can pro­ vide a service at least as efficient, effective, and economical as the Commonwealth usually provides. I do not deny that the Commonwealth has many able and outstand­ ing officers, but it has a tendency to inflate the number of people required. On behalf o.f the Opposition, I appreciate the Treasurer's action in introducing this measure in this early stage of the session. It will be of great benefit to a number of people. We commend the measure. Progress reported. The House adjourned at 1 p.m.