December 6, 1979 New Westminster, Surrey, Richmond, Coquitlam, Maple Ridge .. ·THE · douglas college student newspaper Education portfolios puzzling

by Dan Hilborn of science, technology and The provincial govern­ universities, is in a portfolio ,, ments decision to split the more to his personal liking . ministry of education into He added the new minister two new ministries has left of education, Brian Smith, the administrators and stu­ has not had much, if any, dent society at Douglas real experience dealing College puzzled as to the with his new job. eventual outcome of the "We will have no one to change. talk for us unless Smith Andy Andrews, vice proves to have a strong principal at the college, personality, " said And­ stated the administration rews. has not made an official -...... opinion about the change. Kirk Ritchie, vice-presi­ "It may make things more dent of the student society, difficult for colleges, but said he doesn't think the only time will tell, " An­ college will receive the drews said. benefits it has been from Les Brett, student society the ministry. "I think the colleges are now being president, has said there forced into being more had to have been a reason community oriented and for the change but she addrng more career orient­ would have liked to have ed programs," said Ritch­ seen it stay as one ministry. ie ...... Andrews noted that the Douglas College fashion students were caught telling dirty jokes to each other. One three universities in BC, Andrews added that it was student was heard saying, "What's red and green and goes 60 M.P.H.l A frog in a UBC, SFU, and UVic, were fortunate that the {;ollege blender. Sick isn't iU the big winners in the has already had the expan­ shuffle because Pat Mc­ sion plans for the new New Geer, former minister of Westminster campus be­ Puget nukes dying education and new minister fore the shuffle happened. Burnaby [CUP] - Plans for hearings on the zoning can appeal the decision to Petition missiles controversial twin nuclear permit. Superior Court. power plants to be located The proposed plants, to be But Seattle lawyer Roger by Dan Hilborn cil , is asking the students of near the Vancouver-U.S. located 80 kilometres from Leed, cotmsel for major Vancouver at Sedro Wool­ Pat Gidora, a representa­ Douglas College to sign a border appear dead after opposition groups, said, "I tive from the Fraser Valley petition which will be sent ley, ~ash . , have been the think there now would be Peace Community(FVPC), the power company that centre of controversy since to McKinnon in Ottawa in was to build the plant lost 1973. far too many obstacles fac­ will be at both the Surrey order to let the voice of its bid to have its zoning Environment, health and ing the company. They and New Westminster ordinary Canadians be permit extended. government groups from would find themselves up campuses of Douglas Col­ heard. The Skagit County Com­ both sides of the border lege sometime early Friday In an FVPC newsletter, against federal and state The Arms ·Rade and You, mission voted unanimously have expressed their con­ morning to get student licensing procedures and an early November incident against extending Puget cerns at hearj ngs since the against legislators and con­ signatures to stop the pro­ Power and Light Co.'s zon­ summer. duction and deployment of where ten NORAD jet gressman who would fighters, including six from ing permit, which runs out While the power company quickly get involved. American missiles in Eur­ Dec. 31 . said it would continue ef­ ope. the Canadian Forces Base Puget Power has invested at Comox, were accident­ The vote came one day forts to keep the plans According to Gidora after a minor earthquake alive, indications were that $300 million in the project, ally sent on an intercept Canada' s defense minister mission against Soviet was felt in the proposed site it had little left to fight and has equipment stored and M.P. from Victoria bombers in an alert every­ of the plants. The danger with . B.C. , Allan B. McKinnon, Skagit County prosecutor one involved thought was of a severe earthquake has will be attending a meeting real . been a concern throughout Tom Mosher said the utility of NATO in Brussels to cast Gidora has stated that this Canada's vote either for or petition is our last chance to against new longer range have any influence on Mice· Over Men nuclear missiles in Europe. McKinnons decision for his The FVPC, which is part of vote because the meeting is los Angeles [ZNS] - A traption. The unsuspecting TheDil's .... p. 6 the Cabadian Peace Coun- on December 12. group of engineers has rodent is supposed to run discovered that the re­ up the teeter-totter to get sourcefulness of rodents the bait, only to tip the Other funnies.p. 9 should never be underest­ balance, fall into a bucket SFU rents frozen imated. of water and drown . Reporters were called to The mice, however, stole Canadian Univ. Press- A effective Mar. 1, 1980, the Lawrence Livermore the show when one ran up Other corner .... p .~ proposal calling for a large despite a recent housing rent increase in Simon Fra­ · report that sa~d the res­ Laboratory recently so an the teeter-fotter to get the • engineering team could food while another sat on ser Univers-ity's residences idences were in "a shock­ proudly show off their ver­ the bottom end of the board Student was rejected by SFU's ing state of affairs" . sion of the better mouse­ to keep his partner from board of governors Nov . 27. The board voted 7-6 trap. The trap works by being dumped in the drink. placement .... p. 9 The university's housing against the plan after hear­ placing the bait at the top It's back to the drawing committee wanted to raise ing a presentation from a end of a teeter-totter con- board. the rent at the three res­ student delegation and te- idences by 20-40 per cent cont'd on page 2 Page2 The Other Press December 6, 1979

cont'd from page 1 independent committee, nant representatives. Board whose members called the chairperson Ray Parkinson residences "an embarass- cast the deciding vote. ment'' and said they were A member of the student shocked by their state of delegation, Patrick Palmer, disrepair. said the residences were "slums" and said the un­ Board member Reva iversity would be a slum Clavier, who spoke against landlord if it approved the the proposal, said SFU is increases. Student board of short of residences and the governors member Ted provincial government is Glas also deplored the con­ not giving them the money ditions of the building. they need. SFU administration pres­ SFU housing director ident George Pedersen said Bonnie McDonald, who the residences would con­ supported the rent increas­ tinue to deteriorate if the es, said last month the cost rent was not increased. of improvements to the The housing report was residences would exceed lU US CftDTURL written last month by an $100,000. TNL lCDK TNftT Racquetball tourney a success by Jeff Beamish Close on their heels was IS YOU! the team of Bi II Long, Jeff Richmond Campuse's first HAIR FASHIONS racquetball tournament Beamish, Gary Bartley and AND HAIR CARE PRODUCTS #or the whole family was an overwhelming suc­ Sherri Kelly with an eight Our receptionists Barb & Roberto will be pleased to toke cess as the Super Court and three record. appointments for Racquet Cen~re played host In individual play Dave to 36 players of all calibre Mason and Glen Sandwell Wenda - Marion - Clarisse - Gary last Friday. shared first place in the In a first place tie was advanced division with REASONABLE RATES team Number two, consist­ three wins and no losses. ing of Rick Smitas, Pat Jeff Beamish and Pat Burdett, Mark Dorini and Burdett matched three and Rob Woodward, and Team zero records in capturing number four consisting of the intermediate division, Brent Dennis, Eric Voitic, and Doug Harris and Lesley Doug Harris and Lesley Jacobson tied or the top Jacobson, both with nine spot in the beginners divi­ 1130 Austin Ave. Coq. 939-1166 wins and three los5es. sion with identical three and zero records. Buck Buck the Beaver, Richmond Campuses mas­ cot, stated that because of the success of this tourna­ ment he wi II hold another one next semester. He also wanted to remind students, faculty and staff of the special deal Douglas College has with Super Court Racquet Centre al­ lowing them to play for $1 .00 during the day and $1 .50 during the night, seven days a week. Survival skills

B.C.'s winter wonderland can be fatal for the care­ less. Every year, outdoor recreation turns to tragedy for some unwary skiers and snowmobilers who run a­ foul of avalanches and bliz­ zards, or who take the wrong trail towards home. The t!lifference between an unpleasant experience in the woods and a life-or­ death struggle can be the kind of basic winter survi­ val skills and techniques being taught in the New Westminster and District YM-YW 1980 program. Registration is now under way for a limited number of participants, on a first come A first served basis. The course is open to anyone 15 years of age or older. le Course fee is $25 . For more information, call Frank Kurucz at 526-2485 . December 6, 1979 The Other Press Page3 School in the outb·ack by D. Plewes she seemed apprehensive, program approach but too Ever had dreams of though . Suddenly, how­ large for the small campus college in the country? ever, she blurted,(as situation. But don't weep if Thought about how much though waiting for my per­ you've been forced to go to more stimulating and com­ mission to speak but de­ New Westminster or fortable the small college cided the hell with you), Surrey, because even para­ setting would be? I sup­ " oh, it' s just great." (This dise has bugs. What these pose this is your basic is understandable when small campuses do not have " grass is greener on the one considers the students, is a library, cafeteria, park­ other side of the fence" I thought.) She went on to ing lot, lounge or garden, situation and, as we are all explain that there was an and, what with the latest too aware, it rarely is . intimate liason between vogue being college stu­ According to Hoyle, how­ students, and teachers, dents learning to read and ever, there are bound to be and, she emphasised, be­ wanting to eat, this has exceptions. The Langley tween teachers and teach­ become a problem. Four Campus' side of the fence ers, something, she said, weeks ago there was an is greener than New West­ lacking at the other cam­ army of two trucks grumbl­ minster' s or Surrey' s. puses. ing away outside our build­ A few weeks ago, I, in my She attributed much of the ings poised for the take, so perpetual ears up position, success of Langley to the parking, too, is a problem. overheard Marlene and principle, Ken Moore. I guess there' s some miti­ Anita commenting on how Ironically, Langley, and gation in fact that it only much better the class part­ this will hold true for Maple took about 14 seconds be­ icipation is at Langley than Ridge, is more .like SFU fore everyone knew and at say New Westminster or than the larger Douglas was able to escape the Surrey, a characteristic of campuses because Langley clutches of the law and the Langley Campus, they students have more classes . scatter with their goods. said, which made it easier together and therefore Anyway, back on earth. and more interesting to more fraternizing . SFU For those interested in teach. (How true. How students are placed in pro­ personality development true.) . grams which have the same (we've got everything here) When I mentioned the result while New West­ Kim pointed out that the minster and Surrey are not small campus environment Richmond students gathered together to observe the subject of Langley vs. the opening the "Richmond Walls". Students were heard larger campuses to Valerie yet large enough for this bu ilds people's confidance. There is less intimidation commenting ''they don't move,'' Wow said. Walls will and more encouragement be on display until torn down. to say something. here; there' s no hiding here would be impossible at ... AND IN MY LAST LETTER I And what would an expose here.'' Here one can New Westminster or Sur- SPECIFICALLY TOLD YOU SAUZA of Langley be without a few " identify your goals with rey. Harold protessed the IS NUM8£R ON£1 YOU DON'T authorized quotes from our the goals of the institution. belief that "it is natural to resident shepherd, Harold. Moore is incredible (al­ want to learn" and Langley SEEM TO UNDERSTAND ... " It' s not institutionalized; though he' ll deny this, of provides the environment NUMERO UNO! I DON'T the institution does not get course). His expectations SAUZA! between relationships. are clear and you know to learn", and here we can WAN'T TO HAVE TO SEND Small is beautiful." Teach- what they expect.'' make the ''inner outer''. YOU ANOTHER LETTER! . ers "work twice as hard The human relationships You're right again Hoyle. Students demand Shah

Montreal [CUP] - The if the shah, who is in a New trial. Confederation of I rani an York hospital undergoing But Alamian said she Students (CIS) in Canada cancer treatments, is re­ personally would like to kill has announced its support turned he would get a fair the shah. for demands that the de­ posed shah be returned to Iran to face an Islamic Cros·s country court. And the CIS says it believes the American course offered hostages being held in the If you've been thinking Beginners sessions are U.S. embassy in Tehran about taking up cross coun­ held in January and March. "":~~~;:;~~~!:::::::::::::::= will not be harmed, despite try skiing, or if you' ve Intermediate courses take the tense situation there. mastered the basics and place in February. Regi­ ' ' As far as we know, want to polish your skills, stration is open to those 16 nothing is going to happen the New Westminster and years and older, but youn­ to these hostages. Kho­ District Y has a course for ger children may partici­ meini said it, and as far as I you . pate if accompanied by an know him, he will stand by Certified instructors pro­ adult. Class sizes are his decision that nothing is vide classroom theory and limited, so early registrat­ going to happen to these three full days of skiing in ion is advised. hostages," said Ziba Ala­ West Vancouver's Cypress mian, an executive member Provincial Park and in The Y is also offering a of the CIS' Canadian divis­ Manning Park. There are program of guided ski tours ion . separate courses for begin­ and overnight tours in Jan­ " I hope nothing happens ners and intermediate uary, February, and to them but we support the skiers. March. All programs are demands," she said. Theory classes cover open to the general public The group, which has everything from ski eti­ as well as to YM-YW about 20 members from the quette and waxing to pro­ members. 200 Iranian students in the tection against hypo­ For more information, call city, strongly supports the thermia. Qualified instruc­ Frank Kurucz at 526-2485 . Ayatollah Khomeini and tors take course partici­ To register, visit the Y at NUM£RO UNO IN MEXICO AND IN CANADA feels his rule is democratic pants through their paces 180 Sixth Street in New and fair. Alamian said that on the ski trails. Westminster. Page4 The Other Press December 6,1979 OTHER There's a lack of recogni­ and the students in Langley batt's, St. Michelle Wine, tion from the student soc­ want everything, but does Chestnut Restaurant, Keg SPEAK iety ... there's a negative sweet fuck all about it . I and Caesars Restaurant attitude from students ... came on a rep. to help the have donated everything rv1ew• one student passes rumour students get what they and now I have to return that her pol ice friends were wanted and all they do is everything saying "sorry ( When the provincial government changed the ministry going to check up ... I Gerry nothing. 'Sorry' by one and thanks." of education into two portfolios, those being the Vriend hereby resign from person cannot do a thing And in return they won't ministry of technology, science and universities and the the student society as Lan­ without backing. do a thing again to help new ministry of education there must have surely been gley representative. Our Christmas pub has Douglas College. some logical reason for the change. I am totally pissed off with been cancelled due to lack Once again, thanks stu­ To have a backbencher, Brian Smith, with almost no the student society as a of co-operation . Thanks dents for playing me the experience in dealing with the sort of problems he will whole. They do not recog­ Langley for making me Mr. fool. now be faced with; thrown into one of the most active nize Langley as a campus Asshole. Molson's, Lab- Gerry Vriend and controversial positions on the entire cabinet seems to be pure· folly rather then a rational decision . McGeer, of course, is well suited for his new post. He personally would rather be working with universities and, with research than to have to deal with all the other areas he had under the position of minister of education. The universities of British, Columbia will benefit from having McGeer in this new post, although there has been talk by some univer~ity faculty that he doesn't have the best interest of the universities at heart and the liberal arts will be ignored at the expense of the science and technologies. Most of the faculty at colleges and universities that have talked about the change do agree to one thing, the colleges will be the big losers. Although the colleges are in a separate ministry from the universities it is still possible that they would 'Still Dear Editors: have representation on the representatives, the Doug­ be competing for the same money from the provincial Multi Campus Council. We las College Student Society, government. With McGeer, who understands more of It should be considered a think, to research the story has had little, success, the universities needs then Smith does of the colleges grievous insult to the intel­ at lease the campuses abating the problem." It is needs, it would appear that the college would be at a ligence of the entire stud­ should have been spoken your job to inform the disadvantage when the budgets are drawn up. ent body, that The Other to, if not to the Society students, so if there is Another change that appears inevitable is a change to Press after interviewing Executive. apathy tell them, but do it more vocational and technical programs at the colleges only one person can feel correctly without your own while dropping more of the university transfer courses. they have enough facts to And then after printing abundance of apathy inter­ The split could cause a greater gap between high print an article·. I refer to · that story you have 'the gall ferring. schools, colleges and the universities as well. With the your article published Nov­ to attack us for apathy and I former two being in one ministry and the latter in it's ember 22, 1979 "DCSS quote, "Student apathy at Sincerely, own it would appear that a gap is not only possible but Awareness Week Flops". Douglas College is so wide­ Ted Lorenz probable. Douglas College has nine spread most of the students Vice-President External, The split may prove to be the biggest mistake any campuses, five of which don't realize it, and our DCSS provincial government in B.C. has made in the areas of education . Unless all levels of education in the province are in some way related it is no longer a comparatively easy task to make uniformity through the different levels of education possible. Why should one level of education, namely the universities, profit, at great expense to all other levels of education?

T~e resignation of the Langley rep. coupled with the clarms of the Student Society of being a society of substance and representative of the student body raises a few questions. How, for example, could they lose one of the members of the Multi Campus Council when it would appear there is a need for them, being that there are only five from the nine campuses now. Lorenz's pretensions of being "representative" of the students, then, is open to debate . . If you are misrepresenting or "ignoring" one of your members how do you expect the students to believe your representing them? It kind of reeks of elitism, doesn't it?

Business Manager: Dave Hayer; co-editors: Rob Guzyk, Roger Sullens; Reporters: Georgina Flynn, David Plewes, Dan Hilborn; Photo Tech: Paul Cartmill;

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teaching, death and re­ surrection have found a way to inner security and meaningful living. In Je~n Paul Sartre's play, No Ex1t, he makes it clear by Cal Chambers many despairing people that there is no way out of struggling for existence. Sponsor of Varsity Christ­ man's dilema. This is the The money spent at Christ­ ian Fellowship existential message to the mas could go a long way in Why celebrate Christmas world ... There is no hope assisting them, if we were anyway? We know that is an illusion, we of a mind to help. pea~e ar~ Jesus was not born on movmg rentlessly toward So am I saying-away with December 25th, which was ultimate destruction. Christmas .. bah, humbug? the day the ancient Romans The Christmas message Question: What would you do about the situation in Iran? celebrated the feast of Sat- No, I don't think so. The message of Christmas is ~o~nters that kinds of pess­ urnalia. Furthermore Imism and declares .. not in relevant at any time of year there is nothing in the early any Pollyanna wishful - December or otherwise. Christian writings which thinking kind of way, that In a world which feels encourage us to make this Cod has come among us Chris McNammee - Going into a special day of hon­ estranged, where human problems both personal and and his power, love and to war is not a good idea. I ouring Christ' s birth. In peace can be experienced collective seem unsurrout­ would sit down and talk to spite of the two accounts in by anyone prepared to ex­ able, the Christmas mess­ them person to person and Matthew and Luke, the periment with the reality of age has something to say. not politician to politican. 1 New Testament document Jesus. So let's celebrate - would do everything is not caught up in Christ's And what is the message? In the word, "Emmanuel" Cod is here. And Christ­ humanly possible to not infancy, but rather their mas is just as good a time we are given the clue. This have a war. concern is with the mean­ as any to tell it out. Hebrew word simply means i~g of his life, his teaching, Other Opini.on is a column h1s death and resurrection . -god with us - We are not abandoned children seek­ of thought written by stu­ Why celebrate Christ­ dents, faculty and em­ mas? .. especially when it ing our way without under­ standing of where we are ployees of Douglas College. has become such a debased · Submissions must be 600 orgy of commercialization going, or what life is all wo~ds or less of type­ a time for uncontrolled about. Someone has come - Jesus Christ is His name - wratten, doublespaced extravagance. This seems copy· Submissions over 600 like a crime when we and everyone who has ever words may be edited to the Caroline O'Neal - I would consider the plight of so proper length. keep on negotiating and try to free the hostages. I think it is better as a war of nerves than a military war.

Kelly Miller- I don't think I would sit around and wait. If they are going to try to kill the hostages I would send in military forces to stop them. I don't think there woula be a third world war with Russia backing the U.S.

Alan Pearce - I would put a food embargo on all exports to Iran. I would wait until they put the hostages on trial before I would act.

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that I don't really know. TOP: The band backed up Like it they already had it in the Clash in Los Angeles, them but a lot of bands what happened? start out with what they Zippy: I wasn't there they were and when they got were. They got fu<;ked better they become com- around. mercia!. But that's because Tony: Just the usual they're better and they can racket, you know. the little communicate their ideas band gets treated poorly at more. the hands of the big rock TOP: Are you going to put band. No sound check, out an album? shitty pay . I though it Tony·: No, we' re putting would be different but it out EP, an extra play with wasn't. Sound Of The Rain, Red TOP: Zippy, you're a local Rockers Rule and Not boy. Were are you from? Worth It at Little Mountain Zippy: Port Moody. With one 45 under their belts and an EP on the way the Oil's did a fine job of moaning Sound up here. TOP: How did you get and dancing around on stage. TOP: Why not record back involved in the punk rock home in San Fransisco? scene? by Dan Hilborn Zippy: Three months ago. cool. None of our songs are t:tt&1&fdt.@t0l1%.ltMtiMM1t.8~ Zippy: There were bands Punk rock draws a lot of TOP: How did that come communist, we don't sing starting up all over and unusual people out to con­ about? sometimes.we there was a shortage of certs but one of its most Zippy: I was down south about life on the commune drummers . I also knew unusual is Other Press when they came back from or tractor allotments, none play a song and Chuck Biscuits the drum­ reporter Dan Hilborn, who a tour back east and they of that bullshit. We sing mer from DOA because was able to corner the had fired their drummer about the toke, the coke, he's from Port Moody too. members of the "Oil's" because he was lame. and the poke. we don't have TOP: So where you come along with one of their road TOP: You call yourself from is a punk rock hot- crew, and fu II time bass Tony: Zippy had to add seat? . punk rockers. What is the any ly~ics we player for "DOA", Randy that last bit. difference between punk Zippy: What! Port Moody! Rampage, in a backroom of Zippy: Everyone thought rock and new wave? Fuck no! There's no punk the UBC Sub ballroom prior they were a power band so Tony: I don't really know, just go rah rah rockers except us. to their November concert. they needed me. it's just what we were. It's TOP: Chip, how come you The Oil's are Chip Kinn­ TOP: · How is San just what we were and rah rahrah do all of the bands book­ man on guitar and voca~s, Fransisco as far as punk we've changed. We've ings? Tony Kinnman on bass and rock goes? grown musically. We're Chip: Well, because we vocals, and Zippy Pinhead Tony: There's a whole better at what we're doing don't have a manager and on drums. bunch of bands. Tony: Well we were those guys don't have a but it's still punk rock. We offered to do it up here and TOP: What is it like play what we want to play telephone so I'm elected. TOP: How long have you compared to Vancouver? we hadn't had the offer I'm the only one with the only because we want to down there so we decided been playing together? Chip: Vancouver is punk play it. talent. Chip: Two years. rock city! TOP: What about the to come up here. Besides I TOP: What do you do as a like the cold weather up manager? TOP: Who was in the band TOP: Your nickname is the politics in your music? originally? Red Rockers. Why? Tony: Anything we want Chip: At first there were Chip: Because we are to put in it. me and Tony and our best communists. No, not real­ TOP: What are some of pal from down south, ly . Tony, our bass player is your political songs? Andre. and 1 wear a communist Tony: Sound Of The Rain, TOP: When did Zippy join? because it's Not Worth It, Class War, I Hate The Rich . TOP: A,.re you going to go commerical? Tony: We're not the kind of band that goes commer­ cial. Like if we're playing and all of a sudden thous­ ands of people show up or we do a record and thous­ ands or millions of people buy it then I guess we'll be commerical, but, I don'~ really think that it's high on our demands. I think for most bands something like · that they play music that people like so they are commerical. There a few incidences though where a band gets together and says this is what we want to play but if we play . it we won't be commercial, so let's play something else and we'll become big. Zippy: I don't think we'd change our style at all if thousands of people show up to our concerts. TOP: Have any bands deliberately changed their lggy Pop and the Stooges headlined at the concert. The music just to go commer­ band didn't cause a great comotion until they tried to cial? leave the stage. Zippy: Yes, the Pointed 6, 1979 The Other Press Page7 W" rock values for the-'80 ' s Chip: I have nightmares. No, I book gigs and stuff. I don't make all of the deci­ sions myself, I always check with those guys and tell them what' s happening and then we make a deci­ sion on what we' re gonna do. It's actually a big job because you gotta be two months ahead all the time, it' s mostly a case of scoring the money. It's just all kin ds of bullshit . --- TOP: Zippy, how did you meet the Oil's? Zippy: I met them when I fi rst went to San Fransisco -- a year ago. I smoke pot, Chip smokes pot, it was just ----- natural we' d meet. TOP: You also used to play with DOA . What about that? W®l~·Bm··.tm·· .:;: .. ··Iilli·· ·m ... ill·''' ··ml·v Rm'l

fuck the Lining up aga~nst a brickwall, from left to right, Chip, Tony and Zippy Pinhead ready themselves for a firing squad. A 1I three surv1ved and went on to play at the UBC SUB ballroom that night. promoter but Zippy: I had my singing Tony: Well if it's fun it's TOP: Who were the early been involved in punk rock debut on the Vancouver fun· and I don't care Viking punk rockers? as punk rock? Complication album.(Sing­ Hall was ugly which was a Zippy: I've been involved ing) Oooooohh hooooooh. drag, but that doesn't hap­ Chip: Glenn Miller. No, I since it' s conception in everyone else Randy: I hate music. I pen at too many shows. don't think there were any Vancouver, which is three hate UBC. I hate everyone. TOP: Is playing in the punk rock bands until '76. years, since the Furies. 1 Suck on my dokaloney! band just another job? YoCJ might well say lggy used to hang out with the is equal TOP: Do things like this Zippy: No, I don't look at it Pop was the first punk but Skulls which joey Shithead happen wherever you go? as a job. We make money that' s bullshit. Punk rock is use to belong to with ..·.•• :~:-:. ·:;· ·. . '•' 'i-.;;.: Zippy: All the time. We and stuff and it's a lot of not just playing three cords Dimwit, Wimpy and Brad Zippy: Yeah, just for a have to carry around Randy fun . We'd play if we and yelling "Ahhh fuck Kent. Wimpy's now in the little while. wherever we go just to keep weren't payed because it's you!'' It has a lot to do with Subhumans, and joey's in Randy Rampage: Yeah, up the level of entertain­ fun . the way a band handles DOA . DOA is my favorite Zip played for DOA, I' ll ment. TOP: Did you use to work itself businesswise. The punk rock band. vouch for him . He sucked, TOP: How did you get him in any nice middle class success of pllnk rock should TOP: Have you noticed that's why we kicked him as a roadie? jobs? have been the death of rock any geographical difference out. Zippy: We gave him two Zippy: I had various jobs and roll but it wasn't. Punk between the types of people gral'!ls of cocaine. but I couldn't keep any of . rock is a bringing in of new who come to your concerts? them for any longer than rock values that everyone is Tony: No, except in equal. Everyone but the Vancouver particularily we TOP: What is your normal two weeks because I was always stoned and screwed. promoter. F uck the pro­ see a lot more people come crowd like? Is everyone moter but everyone else is out. It all depends on the dressed in leather jackets Now I smoke tons of pot, all the time if I can get it. equal . popularity of the scene or and macs? TOP: What problems do how well punk rock is Tony: No , uhuh. I don't TOP: Why do so many people reject your music as the Oil's, as a punk rock accepted in a certain com­ even have a leather jacket. band, find with the police? munity. If a concert gets You get all sorts of people paganistic and satanic? Tony: People reject our Tony: I don't think the decent publicity we' ll get a that are just normal people. police pick on punk rock large audience otherwise You get the live style music but I've never heard it described as paganistic bands but what they don't we won't . punks who are easy to pick like is a bunch of young TOP: What do you plan out but that' s not what or satanic - at least not our band. The only time I people acting up and carry­ after Vancouver? makes up a large audience. ing on . I don't think that Tony: Next month we play Most people aren' t live heard that was when the UE?MM~lltt.t~1fJ[@~ffilliifu?~f~~11ilil?= :=:::= :)?\t@M~· has anything to do with Frisco and we play L.A. two style punks. If we drew them not lik ing punk rock. weeks from now. only I ive style we' d get TOP: Do you think punk TOP: What about another maybe only 75-80 to our punk rock is not rock is causing those people eastern tour? shows. Most of our shows to become drunk and carry Zippy: Yeah , this spring. have people from all walks on? New York, the · eastern of life. just playing Tony: Yeah . coast, Boston, and stuff like TOP: Who writes the TOP: Are you advocates of that. · songs for the band? drunkeness and wild part­ Chip: What is this for Chip: Me and Tony. I ~ three-chords and ies? anyway? wrote the latest batch. Tony: I' m an advocate of TOP: The Other Press. TOP: How do you write a very little. What I do is not The Douglas College stu­ song? yelling knock it and they can do dent newspaper. Chip: Usually I figure out whatever they want. I Chip: Other Press rules! a guitar rift first, the lyrics "Ahh fuck you." would hope that they take are always last. Sometimes care of themselves and This Friday night at the we' ll play a song and we don't ruin themselves. UBC Sub ballroom DOA, don't have any lyrics we tl1H~Mlli.W1'¥futlwttUliitlf4tWt&itWiti TOP: Did any of you ever one of Vancouvers most just go rah rah rah rah rah, Sex Pistols came and the play for a I') ice band? popular punk rock bands, just yell and talk nonsense. fundamental Christians Chip: DOA . No, person- will be playing what will TOP: How did your Viking thought punk rock might ally I've always played for certainly be on of the most Hall show go last month? take off among young the Oil ' s same as Tony and entertaining nights of people. As it is they have Tony: It was a lot of fun . Zippy's always been a music of the year. Watch TOP: What about the nothing to worry about punk. for a future interview in the pushing and shoving that because punk hasn't taken TOP: How long have you Other Press. was reported? off. The Other Press December 6, 1979 Journalists Qeed basic education by Nancy McRitchie perly covering the issues, for Canadian University and often presents diffi­ Press culty for reporters, he said. Jeff Carruthers, a leading Commercial journalists generally repeat energy fn­ · freeleance energy reporter, said that continuity, "doing dustry propaganda without your homework"·, being understanding it or the cynical and being able to fundamental issues involv­ see changes from story to ed. That was the major story, were necessary to criticism energy specialist understand energy issues. reporters made at a recent journalism conference on Short memories, political energy held in Calgary. influence A hundred twenty com­ merical and alternative "The company outlook on journalists attended that life changes with the wind. conference sponsored by They have very short mem­ the Centre fqr Investigative ories because they don't Journalism and the Calgary want to remember what CBC October 27 and 28. they said a year ago," One of the reasons oil Carruthers said. companies get away with Public interest advocate evading questions "is that Druce Willson claimed the we don't understand the Canadian Petroleurt:~ Asso­ information," John Rids­ ciation (CPA) falsely in­ dell, Calgary Herald energy fluenced the government as reporter, told the delegat­ to reserves. es. "We need education in "It was a tremendous con basic economics, vocabu­ job," he said. "We heard lary and techniques of the government speeches say• energy industry." ing there was a 900-year "Whether people are supply of oil and gas." assigned to investigate or "The oil industry is clever the "huge business con­ Another problem and a industry. to rewrite press releases" in using its power to in­ tributions to the major pol­ recurring theme of the con­ Ed Peterson, a company is a matter of the commit­ fluence the political pro­ itical parties - the Liberals ference was the monopoly spokesperson, said, "The ment of the media to pro- cess," Willson said, citing and Conservatives." of information held by the industry can't find the ex­ act truth (about resources) until we use the last cubic foot." He asked, "Why should companies act for social interests? They should look for the best investment and maximize profits" . He told the journalists not to expect the company to bear its soul and explain about profits . Ed Wolfe, president of Stone Petroleum Ltd . (which .he described as a relatively small Albertan company), called the public regulatory bodies "captive agents" because their in­ formation comes from in­ dustry. And, he said, "People on boards such as the National Energy Board (NEB) are coming from the industry and going .back to the oil companies at the vice-pre­ sident level."

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Tax is very important to industry, Ridsdell said, and people .need to understand write-offs and benefits. "Everything is not as it appears - you have to .look at all costs after taxes," he said. One way of avoiding taxes is to "repatriate the money from Canada into the U.S. by investing it back into another company. It this the best way for the public to be investing its money?" he asked. Ridsdell said that the federal and provincial gov­ ernments invest a total of cont'd on page 10 5aR\cn...y LLPPE.R CRU.Sif Page10 The Other Press December 6, 1979 page Foreign investment out of the top 500 industries are ng those was a concern expressed by decisions?" $2 1/2 to $3 billion a year in in Canada are foreign con­ Wolfe, and he said he is the oil industry through tax Willson cited the thrust to trolled, he said, and pt!­ You can't just look at the incentives. He said this export natural gas and re­ troleum, before PetroCan, supply line when you talk "appalled at the lack of needs a great deal of in­ sources; and foreign dom­ was 99 per cent foreign about energy, Brooks said, experience" of the Dome vestigation and public de­ ination in the economy (and controlled. you also have to look at the crew. ''Where they are bate. specifically in the energy Willson said the chemical demand line. working in the Beaufort Sea Wolfe agreed that tax sector) as serious probl­ industry is 76 per cent "Its a scandal that energy, is the world's most hazard­ incentives need to be dis­ ems. foreign controlled, trans­ mines and resources ever ous spot." cussed publicly. "We have two choices - to portation - 82 per cent, put it (the demand line) Very recently the drill He said in 1975, $33 .billion die by freezing or by econ­ paper- 45 per cent, textiles out. The demand line inspectors told them to shut total went to tax exempt­ omic strangulation ," he - 59 per cent, food process­ shouldn' t be rising, it down because of the con­ ions, incentives, deferrals said. " Or perhaps we can ing - 48 per cent, and should be dropping," he ditions, he said . The and giveaways to all com­ do something about it." manufacturing - 57 per said. Cabinet overruled that. ies (not ·ust energ Two hundred seventy-five cent. "People don't have the "There are tons of " Canada, with petroleum right to consume endlessly. slovenly, sloppy stories. resources the envy of the Its a whole question about You could have an accident world, is wondering if it can lifestyles that needs to be that would pale what hap­ scrape through the wint­ seriously looked at." He pened at the Gulf of Mex­ er." said the advertising in­ ico. " Wolfe said that Canada is dustry and its promotion of Brooks told the delegates exporting energy at a loss perpetual consumerism that they should look at to the U.S. " Taxpayers are should be questioned. public interest groups and paying money to find gas to Conservation and renew­ what they are saying. He dump over the border at a able energy alternatives are . described them as politic- cheap price." important aspects of the ally oriented groups with This was repeated by energy issue, Brooks said. limited resources, who David Brooks, from Energy " As well , what the gov­ need the media to reach a Probe in Toronto. " Why ernment does about hous­ large audience. should you subsidize in ­ ing regulations, transport­ " The media should look to dustry? Most electricity ation regulations, industry the public interest groups sold oc!. of Canada, I be­ regulations can influence because they have a good lieve, is sold at a los's. Who the demand line greatly." case, a good point of view is making the decision and Environmental danger to present." Educators dissatisfied Canadian Univ. Press - to coordinate among all and student affairs, be­ B.C . educators are dis­ levels and this decision will lieves the split will not last satisfied with the provincial cut communications among long . government's decision to the levels of education. "In the long run the take responsibility for un­ ministries will be combined iversities out of the educat­ He said ministries of again. They (the colleges ion ministry. education are generally and universities) have so split between primary and much in common," he said. The Social Credit govern- secondary and post-secon- Langara College president ment recently announced dary levels. Pederson said J .j. Denholm said he thinks that the universities would the B.C. situation is pro- colleges in B.C. will be the fall into the ministerial bably a first in Canada. big losers in the move. responsibility of science University of B.C. presi- "It is all to the advantage of the universities. To be in and technology minister d en t Doug Kenny agrees Pat McGeer, formerly the with Pederson. "I would a ministry almost exclu­ education minister. Col- sively devoted to universit­ leges and other vocational have preferred that the ies can only be to their institutes will continue to education ministry remain benefit," he said. unitary," he said. "I've be directed by the educat- always viewed education as Valgeet Johl, UBC student ion ministry. union external affairs offic­ a unitary system." Kenny er, said the move is a " In the long run it is an said he did not know why reaffirmation of a change in unfortunate decision," Si- the government made the educational emphasis from mon Fraser University pre- split. the humanities and liberal sident George Pederson But Erich Vogt, UBC arts to a very technicaLand said Nov . 29 . "It is better vice-president of faculty applied education situation. ~-.~~~~~~~~--~~~~--~--~~--~~~~------~~

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STUDENT ASSIST ANT ment at 521-4851, Loc 269 include: answering the magazine subscription or­ OCCASIONAL in NW for a referral. phone, filing, answering ders over their business A student assistant is re­ BABYSITTER QUALIFICATIONS: Appl­ student inquires, copying, phones . All training ne­ quired by the Business icants -must be eligible to etc. cessary will be provided, no A student is required who Program to assist the de­ LOCATION: Newton Cam­ previous experience neces­ can be available to babysit partment technician in the work on the Work Study Program. To check your pus sary. occasionally on an "oncall" Business Office Training WAGE: $3 .50/hr LOCATION: NW basis . Program. eligibility please contact the FINANCIAL AID OFF­ HOURS : 10/wk during the HOURS: 4 hr/day either LOCATION: NW LOCATION: Richmond regular school day 10:00 am - 2:00 pm or 4:00 WAGE: $1.00- $2.00/hr Campus ICE at 588-4411, Loc 277 . Ask for Jim Anderson . CONTACT: Student Place­ pm- 8:00pm HOURS: Approximately WAGE: $3 .50/hr to start ment at 521-4851, Loc 269 WAGES : Guaranteed twice a month, time varies. RS : M-Th: 6:30 -7:30 SALESCLERK , in NW for a referral. $3 .25/hr plus excellent bo­ Usually days. · pm A Delta Paint and Wall­ nus system CONTACT: Student Place­ CONTACT: Student Place­ paper store has an opening DELIVERY PEOPLE ment at 521-4851, Loc 269 CONTACT: Student Place­ ment at 521-4851, Loc 269 for a part-time sales per­ in NW for a referral. in NW for a referral. ment at 521-4851, Loc 259 son. Applicants with inter­ The NW Elks Club requires in NW for a referral. WORK STUDY POSITION: ior design background are students to work as del­ CHILD CARE WORKER NW-7 invited to apply. Well ivery-people. Position re­ FREIGHT CAR A part-time Child LEASE QUOATE THIS groomed appearance es­ quires people to deliver CLEANERS Worker is required by NUMBER WHEN MAK­ tickets to patrons of the Coquitlam Share Society sential. Duties include A Port Coquitlam business ING INQUIRIES Elks' Variety show. Also work with an 11 year old advising customers, selling firm requires Temporary, paint, wallpaper, tile, etc. involves collection of mon­ autistic/retarded boy doin ey and issue of receipts. On-Call workers to clean LOCATION: Ken11edy Freight cars. Position in­ recreational activitie ssistant Car is an asset, but not (swimming, ice skating). Heights/N. Delta volves strenuous, physical DESCRIPTION: The Stud­ HOURS: Friday evenings necessary to apply. Applicant must be famili labour. Society requires a stud­ and all day Saturdays. LOCATION: NW and pos­ with signing (hand signal to compile and maintain sibly Coquitlam LOCATION: C.P.R. freight Exact hours to be arranged yards in Port Coquitlam method. Certification is accurate listing of Rental WAGE: !4.50/hr WAGE: $1.00/delivery required but practical HOURS: 3-5 days per week Ar.rnnnmidations for all Ca­ HOURS: Fairly flexible to experience necessary. CONTACT: Student Place­ during peak periods of work mpus areas. Other duties your schedule training/orientation ment at 521-4851, Loc 269 Shifts include: 8:00 am to ld include: filing, re­ CONTACT: Student Place­ vided. in NW for a referral. 12 Noon or 12:30- 4:30pm ·oning and telephone ment at 521-4851, Loc 269 LOCATION: Coquitlam STUDENT ASSIST ANT WAGES: Start at $4 .25/hr, inquiries. in NW for a referral. WAGE: $5.75/hr raises every 3 months LOCATION: NW Campus A student is required to HOURS: 2:00 - 3:30 pm, PHONE-SALES WORK CONTACT: Student Place­ HOURS: 15/wk assist the Office Careers M-F (71/2 hours/wk) ment at 521-4851, Loc 269 WAGES: $4 .50/hr Program Instructor on the Nor-Pak Marketing re­ CONTACT: Student PI in NW for a referral. CONTACT: Student Place- Newton Campus. Duties quires people to set up ment at 521-4851, Loc in NW for a referral . DESK CLERK A Port Moody Hotel re­ quires a desk clerk to work INTRODUCING ... a variety of shifts over the Christmas break. Previous experience an asset but not necessary. Manager will­ ing to train the right per­ son . Duties include check­ ing patrons in the out of the hotel, taking cash, answer­ ing inquiries, etc. Position starts after your exams are over and terminates mid January. LOCATION: PortMoody HOURS: Shift work (Could be 8:00 am - 4:00 pm, 4:00 pm- Midnight, or Midnight to 8:00 am) Friday, Satur­ day and Sunday (Pt. - time position) WAGE: $5.00/hr CONTACT: Student Place­ ment at 521-4851, Loc 269 in NW for a referral. RECREATION INSTRUCTORS South Arm Recr:eation Centre requires recreation instructors for the following Light,white, just right! program: Art (Fabric & Painting), Sports (Basket­ ball, Cosom-hockey), Dra­ ma, Pre-school (cooking, carpentry, etc). Try this delicious wine served HOURS: Vary depending on class taught. ie. Even­ ings, afternoons, days pos­ weU chilled as champagne. sibly weekends . Each class is approximately 1 1/2 You'U like it! hours long for 10 weeks commencing January 21, 1980. WAGE: $5.00-$8.00/hr de­ pending on qualifications. CONTACT: Student Place­ ment at 521-4851, Loc 269 jn NW for a referral. THE

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