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Parliamentary Constituencies Bill PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT GENERAL COMMITTEES Public Bill Committee PARLIAMENTARY CONSTITUENCIES BILL Fifth Sitting Thursday 25 June 2020 (Morning) CONTENTS Clause 1 under consideration when the Committee adjourned till this day at Two o’clock. PBC (Bill 127) 2019 - 2021 No proofs can be supplied. Corrections that Members suggest for the final version of the report should be clearly marked in a copy of the report—not telephoned—and must be received in the Editor’s Room, House of Commons, not later than Monday 29 June 2020 © Parliamentary Copyright House of Commons 2020 This publication may be reproduced under the terms of the Open Parliament licence, which is published at www.parliament.uk/site-information/copyright/. 145 Public Bill Committee25 JUNE 2020 Parliamentary Constituencies Bill 146 The Committee consisted of the following Members: Chairs: SIR DAVID AMESS,†IAN PAISLEY † Afolami, Bim (Hitchin and Harpenden) (Con) † Miller, Mrs Maria (Basingstoke) (Con) † Bailey, Shaun (West Bromwich West) (Con) † Mohindra, Mr Gagan (South West Hertfordshire) † Clarkson, Chris (Heywood and Middleton) (Con) (Con) † Efford, Clive (Eltham) (Lab) † Shelbrooke, Alec (Elmet and Rothwell) (Con) † Farris, Laura (Newbury) (Con) † Smith, Cat (Lancaster and Fleetwood) (Lab) † Fletcher, Colleen (Coventry North East) (Lab) † Smith, Chloe (Minister of State, Cabinet Office) † Hughes, Eddie (Walsall North) (Con) † Spellar, John (Warley) (Lab) † Hunt, Jane (Loughborough) (Con) † Lake, Ben (Ceredigion) (PC) Sarah Thatcher, Committee Clerk † Linden, David (Glasgow East) (SNP) † Matheson, Christian (City of Chester) (Lab) † attended the Committee 147 Public Bill CommitteeHOUSE OF COMMONS Parliamentary Constituencies Bill 148 point and it will appear in Hansard. No doubt you will Public Bill Committee be able to receive some updated material from Mr Pratt if you contact him directly. Thursday 25 June 2020 John Spellar: Further to that point of order,Mr Paisley. Could we ask the Clerks to seek clarification on that? It [IAN PAISLEY in the Chair] is a very important factor on which we might be making our determination. Parliamentary Constituencies Bill The Chair: All I can say is that the point has been 11.30 am heard. You have it on the record, and that is the important thing for you at this point. The Chair: Youare all very welcome. Before we begin, a couple of preliminary notices: jackets can be removed, Alec Shelbrooke (Elmet and Rothwell) (Con): Further obviously, as it is incredibly hot. If I told you to keep to the point of order, Mr Paisley. Just for clarification, them on and that it would make the Bill Committee go as you rightly say it is not a matter for the Chair; it is a away quicker I would, but that would not be fair. We matter of debate. I have the same document that the must respect social distancing rules at all times, and I right hon. Member has before him and it is opaque. will issue a quick reminder if anyone breaches them. Therefore I would say that, for your guidance Mr Paisley, More copies of Hansard are being brought up so that it is a matter purely of debate. In order to help the Members can check details of previous sittings. I remind Clerk, you may struggle to find the information sought Members that electronic devices should be set to silent. by the right hon. Member. Plenty of warm water has been supplied, to make you wish that it was cold water. Given the intolerable heat in The Chair: Thank you very much, Mr Shelbrooke. I which we are working, if you want to bring in refreshments do not think the Clerk needs any help. I thank you for I am happy with that. trying to help me, but as you say, these matters are not We now begin line-by-line consideration of the Bill. for the Chair. We have had three sittings already and The selection list for today’s sitting is available in the some of the matters have been touched on anyway. room. I hope you are happy with how the selected They are subjects for discussion and debating points. amendments have been grouped for debate. Amendments Mrs Maria Miller (Basingstoke) (Con): On a point of grouped together are generally of a same or similar order, Mr Paisley. Last Thursday, 18 June, when we nature. Please note that decisions on amendments do were taking evidence from the Boundary Commission not take place in the order in which the amendments are for England, an undertaking was given to provide evidence debated, but in the order in which they appear on the to the Committee about the collection of data. We gave amendment paper. The selection list shows the order of the commission two weeks to give that evidence. Has debates. Decisions for each amendment are taken when there been any indication of when it might be forthcoming? we come to the clause that the amendment affects. I hope that is clear. The Chair: Thank you, Mrs Miller. I thought that that was the point that Mr Spellar was going to make. It John Spellar (Warley) (Lab): On a point of order, is an important one. We have asked for the evidence to Mr Paisley. I seek your guidance before we start to be delivered here by 29 June, which is Monday, so you move to details on the clauses. During one of the will have time on Tuesday and Thursday next week not evidence sessions, we were given evidence on a matter only to consider it but to appeal it. that came up elsewhere. Mr Pratt quoted the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe’s observation Clause 1 that “in a majority voting system, the size of the electorate should not REPORTS OF THE BOUNDARY COMMISSIONS vary by more than approximately ten percent from constituency to constituency.”––[Official Report, Parliamentary Constituencies Cat Smith (Lancaster and Fleetwood) (Lab): I beg to Public Bill Committee, 18 June 2020; c. 36, Q64.] move amendment 2, in clause 1, page 1, line 5, leave out The officials helpfully provided us with the documentation subsection (2). of the OSCE report and of the Venice commission on This is a paving amendment for Amendment 5, with the aim of which that is based, and I thank them for that. The maintaining the status quo of parliamentary oversight within the “Code of Good Practice in Electoral Matters” produced boundary review process. by the Council of Europe’s Venice commission states The Chair: With this it will be convenient to discuss that the the following: “The maximum admissible departure from the distribution … Amendment 3, in clause 1, page 1, line 14, leave out criterion should seldom exceed 10%”. subsection (4). I think we should ask the officials to seek a full definition This is a paving amendment for Amendment 5, with the aim of of what the “distribution criterion” is. Is there is a fixed maintaining the status quo of parliamentary oversight within the figure from which one can deviate either side by up boundary review process. to 10%, or must it lie in the middle of that 10%? Amendment 4, in clause 1, page 2, line 16, leave out It would be enormously helpful to get clarification subsection (7). on that. This is a paving amendment for Amendment 5, with the aim of maintaining the status quo of parliamentary oversight within the The Chair: Thank you for making that point, Mr Spellar. boundary review process. Unfortunately, it is not a matter for the Chair, and I Clause stand part. cannot give a ruling on it. However you have made the Clause 2 stand part. 149 Public Bill Committee25 JUNE 2020 Parliamentary Constituencies Bill 150 CatSmith:IshallstartbyputtingontherecordtheLabour Such legislation could delay the boundary review again. party’s support for the boundary review. We do not seek In short, the Bill removes power from Parliament and to cause any difficulty with the passage of the Bill. Our hands it to the Executive. For those reasons, we have amendments and new clauses are intended genuinely to tabled the amendments and new clauses in my name improve the Bill for the good of the democratic process. and that of my hon. Friend the Member for City of We want the best possible outcome in the review. Chester. After all, every Member of the Committee represents a constituency that has been drawn up on electoral data David Linden (Glasgow East) (SNP): It is a great that is now nearly two decades old, and communities pleasure to see you back in the Chair and in charge, have changed dramatically in the past 20 years. The Mr Paisley. I repeat on the record the remarks that I Labour party is clear that the boundary changes must made on Second Reading regarding the view of the happen before the next general election and welcomes Scottish National party. We would prefer not to be the Government’s reversal of the previous decision to represented in this place at all, but for so long as the base the exercise on 600 constituencies, and their decision constitutional requirement is that Scotland remains tied to revise the number to 650. to the United Kingdom, Scotland should have no fewer Amendments 2 to 4 are paving amendments intended than the 59 seats that we have in this place. to maintain the status quo of parliamentary oversight I echo much of what the hon. Member for Lancaster in the boundary review process. They relate to clause 1, and Fleetwood said regarding parliamentary approval. but have some implications for clause 2. However, I Our fundamental position is that we did not vote against shall do my best not to stray into that territory.
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