Legislative Assembly of Alberta the 30Th Legislature First Session Standing Committee on Resource Stewardship
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Legislative Assembly of Alberta The 30th Legislature First Session Standing Committee on Resource Stewardship Ministry of Treasury Board and Finance Consideration of Main Estimates Thursday, Oct 31, 2019 9 a.m. Transcript No. 30-1-8 Legislative Assembly of Alberta The 30th Legislature First Session Standing Committee on Resource Stewardship Hanson, David B., Bonnyville-Cold Lake-St. Paul (UCP), Chair Ceci, Joe, Calgary-Buffalo (NDP), Deputy Chair Dach, Lorne, Edmonton-McClung (NDP) Feehan, Richard, Edmonton-Rutherford (NDP) Getson, Shane C., Lac Ste. Anne-Parkland (UCP) Loewen, Todd, Central Peace-Notley (UCP) Nielsen, Christian E., Edmonton-Decore (NDP)* Rehn, Pat, Lesser Slave Lake (UCP) Rosin, Miranda D., Banff-Kananaskis (UCP) Sabir, Irfan, Calgary-McCall (NDP) Schmidt, Marlin, Edmonton-Gold Bar (NDP) Sigurdson, R.J., Highwood (UCP) Singh, Peter, Calgary-East (UCP) Smith, Mark W., Drayton Valley-Devon (UCP) Sweet, Heather, Edmonton-Manning (NDP)** Turton, Searle, Spruce Grove-Stony Plain (UCP) Yaseen, Muhammad, Calgary-North (UCP) * substitution for Richard Feehan ** substitution for Irfan Sabir Also in Attendance Phillips, Shannon, Lethbridge-West (NDP) Support Staff Shannon Dean Clerk Stephanie LeBlanc Clerk Assistant and Senior Parliamentary Counsel Teri Cherkewich Law Clerk Trafton Koenig Parliamentary Counsel Philip Massolin Clerk of Committees and Research Services Sarah Amato Research Officer Nancy Robert Research Officer Michael Kulicki Committee Clerk Jody Rempel Committee Clerk Aaron Roth Committee Clerk Karen Sawchuk Committee Clerk Rhonda Sorensen Manager of Corporate Communications Jeanette Dotimas Communications Consultant Tracey Sales Communications Consultant Janet Schwegel Managing Editor of Alberta Hansard Transcript produced by Alberta Hansard Standing Committee on Resource Stewardship Participants Ministry of Treasury Board and Finance Hon. Travis Toews, Minister Mark Parsons, Assistant Deputy Minister, Economics and Fiscal Policy Alberta Investment Management Corporation Mark Prefontaine, Chief Client and Stakeholder Relations Officer October 31, 2019 Resource Stewardship RS-103 9 a.m. Thursday, October 31, 2019 Hon. members, the standing orders set out the process for Title: Thursday, October 31, 2019 rs consideration of the main estimates. Standing Order 59.01(6) [Mr. Hanson in the chair] establishes the speaking rotation while the speaking time limits are set out in Standing Order 59.02(1). In brief, the minister or member Ministry of Treasury Board and Finance of Executive Council acting on the minister’s behalf will have 10 Consideration of Main Estimates minutes to address the committee. At the conclusion of his comments we will begin a 60-minute speaking block for the The Chair: Okay. I would like to call the meeting to order and Official Opposition, followed by a 20-minute speaking block for welcome everyone. The committee has under consideration the the government caucus. estimates of the Ministry of Treasury Board and Finance for the The rotation of speaking time will then alternate between the fiscal year ending March 31, 2020. Official Opposition and the government caucus, with individual I’d ask that we go around the table and have all MLAs introduce speaking times set to five minutes, which, if combined with the themselves for the record. Minister, please introduce the officials minister’s time, makes it a 10-minute block. Discussion should flow that are joining you at the table. I am David Hanson, MLA for through the chair at all times regardless of whether or not the Bonnyville-Cold Lake-St. Paul and chair of this committee. We’ll speaking time is combined. Members are asked to advise the chair continue to my right. at the beginning of their rotation if they wish to combine their time with the minister’s time. If members have any questions regarding Mr. Rehn: Good morning. My name is Pat Rehn. I’m the MLA for speaking times or the rotation, please feel free to send a note or e- Lesser Slave Lake. mail to either the chair or the committee clerk. Mr. Getson: Good morning. I’m Shane Getson, MLA for Lac Ste. A total of three hours has been scheduled to consider the Anne-Parkland. estimates of the Ministry of Treasury Board and Finance. The scheduled end time of this meeting is 12 p.m. With the concurrence Mr. Yaseen: Good morning. My name is Muhammad Yaseen. I am of the committee I will call a five-minute break near the midpoint the MLA for Calgary-North. of the meeting; however, the three-hour clock will continue to run. Does anyone oppose having a break? Thank you. Mr. Turton: Good morning. My name is Searle Turton. I’m the Ministry officials may be present and at the direction of the MLA for Spruce Grove-Stony Plain. minister may address the committee. Ministry officials seated in the gallery, if called upon, have access to a microphone in the gallery Mr. Smith: Good morning. Mark Smith, MLA for Drayton Valley- area. Pages are available to deliver notes or other materials between Devon. the gallery and the table. Attendees in the gallery may not approach the table. Space permitting, opposition caucus staff may sit at the Mr. Sigurdson: R.J. Sigurdson, MLA, Highwood. table to assist their members; however, members have priority to sit Mr. Singh: Good morning. Peter Singh, MLA, Calgary-East. at the table at all times. If debate is exhausted prior to three hours, the ministry’s Mr. Loewen: Todd Loewen, MLA, Central Peace-Notley. estimates are deemed to have been considered for the time allotted in the schedule, and the committee will adjourn. Points of order will Ms Rosin: Miranda Rosin, MLA, Banff-Kananaskis. be dealt with as they arise, and the clock will continue to run. Any written material provided in response to questions raised Mr. Toews: Travis Toews, MLA for Grande Prairie-Wapiti, during the main estimates should be tabled by the minister in the Minister of Finance. To my left I have Deputy Minister Athana Mentzelopoulos, ADM Darren Hedley; to my right, Assistant Assembly for the benefit of all members. Deputy Minister Mary Persson, and further to my right, Mark The vote on the estimates and any amendments will occur in Parsons, ADM. Committee of Supply on November 19, 2019. Amendments must be in writing and approved by Parliamentary Counsel prior to the Member Ceci: Joe Ceci, deputy chair of the committee and MLA meeting at which they are to be moved. The original amendment is for Calgary-Buffalo. to be deposited with the committee clerk, and 20 copies of the amendment must be provided at the meeting for the committee Mr. Dach: Good morning. Lorne Dach, MLA for Edmonton- members and staff. McClung. Happy Halloween. I now invite the Minister of Treasury Board and Finance to begin with his opening remarks. You have 10 minutes, sir. Ms Sweet: Morning. Heather Sweet, MLA for Edmonton-Manning. Mr. Toews: Well, thank you, Chair, and good morning. I’m pleased Mr. Nielsen: Good morning, everyone. Chris Nielsen, MLA for to be here with you today to share our business plan and estimates Edmonton-Decore. of the Ministry of Treasury Board and Finance, which includes the Ms Phillips: Good morning. Shannon Phillips, MLA for Department of Treasury Board and Finance; the Public Service Lethbridge-West. Commission; communications and public engagement; and the boards, agencies, and commissions that report to me as minister. The Chair: Okay. Thank you very much. I’d like to note the Joining me today is Athana Mentzelopoulos, Deputy Minister of following substitutions for the record: Chris Nielsen for Richard Treasury Board and Finance. While I’ve made these introductions, Feehan and Heather Sweet for Irfan Sabir. Chair, I’ll make them again with a little more detail: Mary Persson, Please note that the microphones are operated by Hansard and assistant deputy minister of budget development and reporting; that the committee proceedings are being live streamed on the Mark Parsons, assistant deputy minister of economics and fiscal Internet and broadcast on Alberta Assembly TV. Please set your policy; and Darren Hedley, assistant deputy minister of financial cellphones and other devices to silent for the duration of the sector regulation and policy. There are also a number of other staff meeting. from my department and some of the entities reporting to me as RS-104 Resource Stewardship October 31, 2019 minister, including from the Public Service Commission Tim goal and the goal of Treasury Board is the more effective use of tax Grant, deputy minister; from the AGLC, Kandice Machado, vice- dollars in this area. president of corporate services and chief financial officer; from 9:10 AIMCo, Mark Prefontaine, chief client and stakeholder relations As for the capital budget, for my department specifically we will officer; Diva Chinniah, vice-president of finance and the controller; see an increase of $10 million over the last year. The majority of from ATB Financial, Robert McGee, chief financial officer and this amount is due to a one-time construction cost associated with head of operations. I sincerely thank them all for being here today. AIMCo’s transition to a new client-owned building. The remaining A week ago today I had the pleasure of delivering our $3 million increase is related to ongoing capital renewal government’s first budget. We developed this budget based on requirements. what we heard from Albertans, and what we heard loud and clear This, of course, is a very high-level overview. I’ll welcome your is that our province simply cannot continue to borrow our way more detailed questions in a few moments. Before I close, I would into increasing deficits and debt. In developing our plan, we like to touch on the work being done on one of government’s tapped into the knowledge and insights of experts, including the biggest expenses, which is staff costs.