Grand Canyon River Guides Oral History Collection Regan Dale
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Grand Canyon River Guides Oral History Collection Regan Dale Interview Interview number: 53.15 [See document DALECLAN for group interview with Regan, Ote, and Duffy Dale] [ABOUT 30 MIN. INTO TAPE 1, SIDE A] This is still the River Runners Oral History Project. This is Part 2 of an interview that we started in Kanab with Regan Dale. In Kanab there we had Ote and Duffy present, but now it's just Regan. We're in Flagstaff now. Still Lew Steiger, and it's November 6, 1998. Steiger: We didn't do it there in Kanab, but the way I've been kinda doing this is asking everybody for just a little rundown on their family history, just a little bit of family background et cetera, and then kinda segue into how you got on the river. Regan: My immediate family? Steiger: Yeah, just your circumstances growin' up. What was it like bein' a kid? I mean, I kinda know some of these things, but.... Regan: Sure, we can go through that. I was born in Riverside, California -native Californian. My parents were native Californians. I was the oldest male in my family. I was one of ten children, second born. I have six sisters, and then the last three were brothers -all of whom now work for me on the river. (chuckles) Pretty ironic. I lived with my parents until I was about sixteen, and then I moved in with my grandmother, 'cause she was alone, she was a widow. It gave me an opportunity to get out of the house. Steiger: Did they kind of send you over there to look after her? Regan: Uh-huh. Well, it was ideal for both of us, 'cause livin' with nine other children was a bit hectic, and this gave me the opportunity to get out of the house and get out on my own a little bit. She needed somebody to kind of look after her, she was alone. So it was good for both of us. I lived with her for about five years. Eventually I went to college. I was workin' for my dad at AtoZ Printing, which was a printing company that his dad has started in Riverside in 1909 or something like that. Steiger: Wow, so you were really a native Californian. Your parents were born there. Regan: Uh-huh. And I was goin' to school, workin' for my dad, and that's when I met Bill Belknap. He came in one day and wanted a Colorado River map printed. I was at that time runnin' some of the offset presses and we ran his Colorado River guide on one of the presses, so I got to see first-hand the Colorado River via a river map. The first year he printed it, my cousin, O. C., had just gotten back from Vietnam -1969 or 1970. Maybe it was 1970, he had just gotten back. So he was kinda lookin' for somethin' to do, and Bill offered him an opportunity to go down the river in 1970. And a funny story -I might have mentioned this the other day -about the little raft. Steiger: No. Well, you mentioned it, but we didn't get it on tape. It was when this thing wasn't rollin', so I would love to hear that. O. C. told a story about the first time he'd ever seen the Grand Canyon was you drove him out there to hike down. ( Regan: Oh, yeah, to hike in.) So you guys went out there together. So how old were you then? Regan: I was probably eighteen or nineteen. Yeah, he was hiking in at Phantom Ranch to join a trip. I'd forgotten that. I took him to the South Rim. Steiger: Was that like your first look at the Grand Canyon? Regan: No, I had seen it when I was about sixteen. My parents -we'd done a cross-country tour from California to New York, and we had stopped in at Arizona and looked over the edge, just like most tourists do. Spent forty minutes and then we were off. I'd forgotten all about that time I dropped O. C. off there. Anyway, so he ended up spendin' the summer on the river with Grand Canyon Expeditions. At some point during that season, I went down to the local surplus store and bought a little $49 raft. Steiger: 'Cause you had already decided you were gonna do this? Regan: Yeah. Well, he called me back after a couple of trips, he said how cool it was, and it was really exciting, that I had to do it. So I figured, "Well, I'll go get me a raft and I'll go do it!" (laughter) So I went down and bought this $49 raft. It might have been $29, I can't remember back then. Steiger: One of those little yellow.... Regan: Yeah, just little plastic oars and stuff. I was ready! (laughter) I called him up one time, I told him I'd gotten myself a raft and I was comin' out. He goes, (flatly) "Take the raft back." (laughter) (excitedly) "No, man, I'm comin'! Really, I'm comin' down to do it!" (flatly) "Take the raft back." (laughter) Okay, so I took the raft back. You know, he came back and told me all kinds of stories that fall. And then Bill came to the print shop and we were reprinting his guide book. We did that every year for a number of years. Steiger: You mean, you just did a run that was for a year's worth? Regan: Uh-huh. This was a brand new thing. Steiger: He didn't want to get in too deep. Regan: No. And at the time, he was partners with Grand Canyon Expeditions -he and Ron Smith were partners, and they were operating out of Salt Lake City, driving to the Grand Canyon for every trip, from Salt Lake. Steiger: Whew! I just remembered, I should have got ahold of Loie [(Belknap) Evans]. She's probably gone, too. Regan: Yeah, she just left yesterday. It was real interesting, 'cause I started thinkin' about it, and her dad gave me my first opportunity to go down the river, and now she works for me. Steiger: Yeah, thirty years later, almost. Regan: Pretty ironic, how things turned -"How the Oarlock Turns" you know. (laughs) Steiger: That is, that's wild. Regan: So I asked Bill if I could go down the river with him. He goes, "Sure. You come up to Kanab, Utah, and we'll give you a river trip or somethin', give you an opportunity." I said, "Great!" About two weeks later, I quit school, quit work, packed up -I had a backpack, and was gonna hitchhike to Kanab from Riverside. I had, I can't remember who it was, give me a ride to the on-ramp for the freeway, and I'm sittin' there hitchhikin'. Steiger: This is like 1971? Regan: In the spring of 1971, like in March. This car pulls up, and it was full of five or six black guys, and they go, "Hop in!" I'm goin', "Where you goin'?" They said, "Wherever you wanna go!" I don't know about this. (laughter) "I don't think so." And they go, "You got any money? Got any drugs?" I'm goin', "No, I don't think so. I'm not gettin' in that car with you," and I started walkin' away. They were just gonna roll me. ( Steiger: Yeah.) They were gonna take me out in the desert and take everything I had and bury me somewhere. So I was pretty lucky I didn't get in that car. And after that I went, "Shit, I'm not hitchhikin'. This is crazy!" I went back and got a bus ticket to St. George, and pulled into St. George about 7:00 a.m. It was like an all-night bus ride. Pulled into St. George and started askin' 'em, "Where's Kanab?" They said, "Well, you got a little ways to go yet." I started hitchhikin' out of St. George and hitchhiked over to Hurricane, and then spent about half a day on that Hurricane Hill, you know, sittin' there, waitin'. Finally somebody gave me a ride to Colorado City. Steiger: Now, you probably looked pretty clean-cut and everything, huh? I'm tryin' to just place the times. Regan: I can't remember. No, I probably had long hair and a beard. Steiger: Even by then? Regan: Yeah. So finally I got to Fredonia, and then I got another ride to Kanab. It was probably four o'clock in the afternoon by the time I got to Kanab. I'm walkin' through town, and the local sheriff pulls up, wants to know what I'm doin', where I'm goin'. You know, checked me out thoroughly. Wanted to see my I.D. I thought he was gonna go through my pack, you know. That wouldn't have surprised me. But I kept tellin' him I was just goin' up here to Grand Canyon Expeditions, that they had offered me a job. So he kind of escorted me up there. They had just bought the building. ( Steiger: The warehouse.) The warehouse. And I walked in, and Dean Waterman was there, and O. C. was there. Dean said he'd give me a job, and I spent the next.... Well, the first three or four weeks, we built the bunkhouse: put the siding on the bunkhouse and put in windows and doors, and just labor.